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3/27/2025

Pam Bondi Suggests No Investigation Into Signalgate

Filed under: General — Dana @ 4:06 pm



[guest post by Dana]

Unsurprising:

FBI Director Kash Patel was not part of a Signal chat in which other Trump administration national security officials discussed detailed attack plans, but that didn’t spare him from being questioned by lawmakers this week about whether the nation’s premier law enforcement agency would investigate.

Patel made no such commitments during the course of two days of Senate and House hearings, declining to comment on the possibility and testifying that he had not personally reviewed the text messages that were inadvertently shared with the editor-in-chief for The Atlantic who was mistakenly included on an unclassified Signal chat.

The Justice Department has broad discretion to open an investigation, though Attorney General Pam Bondi, who introduced Trump at a Justice Department event this month, signaled at an unrelated news conference on Thursday that she was disinclined to do so. She repeated Trump administration talking points that the highly sensitive information in the chat was not classified, though current and former U.S. officials have said the posting of the exact launch times of aircraft and times that bombs would be released before those pilots were even in the air would have been classified.

But you know what is going to be investigated?:

The Justice Department recently announced it will crack down on the rising number of attacks against Tesla, including charging people accused of throwing Molotov cocktails at the automaker’s properties.

“This is domestic terrorism. Those responsible will be pursued, caught, and brought to justice,” FBI Director Kash Patel said Monday.

Attorney General Pam Bondi also described the anti-Tesla acts as “domestic terrorism” last week, after a person dressed in black shot and set fire to several Tesla vehicles at a repair facility in Las Vegas. Tesla sales and stock prices are also facing stiff declines.

While it makes sense to investigate domestic terrorism, if the definition is met, how does it make sense to not investigate the Signal security breach where our national security was put at risk because of the careless actions of senior administration officials knowingly breaking the rules/law.

Anyway, Timothy Snyder has a smart piece, wherein he warns of the deeper reasons for administration officials using Signal. And it’s not pretty. I’m quoting liberally here:

But in the Signalgate scandal, we encounter something more chilling: our government is openly compromising our national security, the better to violate our rights. Its position is that it is worth risking the lives of soldiers abroad in order to be able to persecute civilians at home.

. . .

From the content of the group chat, it is clear that Signal (and, again, likely on personal phones) is the default way that Musk-Trump high officials communicate with one another. This group chat explicitly referred to another one. There was a protocol at the beginning of this chat, which seemed familiar to everyone. It involved adding people whose Signal numbers were known, as if this were a standard procedure. No one during the chat wrote anything like: “hey, why are we using Signal?” The reason that no one did so, most likely, is that they all do this every day.

Using Signal enables American authorities to violate the rights of Americans. Signal is attractive not because it is secure with respect to foreign adversaries, which it is not, but because it is secure with respect to American citizens and American judges. The autodelete function, which Mike Waltz was using, violates the law. But what is most essential is the purpose of that law: to protect the rights of Americans from their government. The timed deletion function allows American officials to be confident that their communications will never be recorded and that they can therefore conspire without any chance of their actions being known to citizens at the time or at any later point.

Everyone on that group chat, including the Vice-President, the Director of National Intelligence, the National Security Advisor, and the Secretary of State, knew that what they were doing was against the rules, the guidance, and the law. But they were doing what they were doing, I would suggest, for a reason: precisely because it allowed them or their colleagues to compromise the rights of Americans.

In other words, it was worth risking the lives of American soldiers abroad in order to have the opportunity the violate the rights of American civilians at home. Making soldiers unsafe is apparently a price worth paying to make the rest of us also unsafe.

If Signal is used for the most sensitive national security discussions, it is reasonable to ask whether it is also used in discussions about sensitive matters of domestic policy — for example in the discussions of deportations to the Salvadoran gulag or in plans for targeting other individuals. If this is correct, then consider this: when the government contemplates deporting you, it will be doing so on an app that allows those discussions to be secret, not from foreign adversaries, but from you and from judges.
And that, it would appear, is why Signal is being used — and will be used.

Snyder concludes:

Even as the Musk-Trump people continue to say that we must sacrifice our rights for national security, they are also starting to say that they find it worthwhile to violate national security in order to have the tools that allow them to violate our rights. In Signalgate, we see the shift from the conventional excuse for authoritarian practices to an open embrace of tyranny for its own sake.

P.S. Quite possibly the DoD was ordered to use Signal on government devices:

A high level information security source inside the Department of Defense has informed me that a month ago they were ordered by political appointees to ignore information security regulations and install Signal on government phones for senior leaders.

. . .

On February 18th, Katie Arrington was named the Deputy Chief Information Officer for Cybersecurity and Chief Information Security Officer at the Department of Defense by the Trump Administration. She had served in the previous Administration in a similar role.

According to my source inside the Pentagon, shortly after Arrington’s arrival at DoD she issued a waiver and authorized the various service CIO’s to deploy Signal on government devices.

This means that even as DOD sent a memo out warning against the use of Signal the same organization had authorized, and demanded, it’s use across the DOD. The messaging app is popular because its encrypted but most importantly allows disappearing messages on a schedule. This is a direct violation of the Presidential Records Act that requires preservation of all Executive Branch records.

. . .

All of this informs us that the Trump Administration is using a commercial non-secure disappearing messaging app to communicate to avoid record keeping laws and national security regulations. This means that it is highly likely our enemies are able to monitor the high level communications of our government…in real time.

Remind me how an investigation is *not* warranted?

—Dana

7 Responses to “Pam Bondi Suggests No Investigation Into Signalgate”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (ad51a6)

  2. Trump is corruption and lawless and has selected corrupt, lawless and in many cases incompetent people to lead the country. Sad.

    Time (40a46b)

  3. Pam likes her job, and doesn’t want to lose it.

    norcal (cdf133)

  4. Why bother to investigate when nothing would be done no matter what they found out. The only thing to be done is for Congress to start impeaching people and that isn’t going to happen. May their children and grandchildren live to truly understand what these people are doing to our country and may they look at their parents and grandparents with accusation in their eyes for the rest of their lives.

    Nic (120c94)

  5. Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny.

    Their children and grandchildren will be the same sh!ts they are.

    Case in point, Little Marco disappearing foreign students off the streets of American for Wrongthink same as Batista or Castro would.

    nk (62af05)

  6. Several things pop out.
    The Snyder piece is exceptional in its succinctness and logic about this abuse by Trump officials in using Signal to conduct official business, including national security business.
    One, in the Goldberg piece, I glossed over the Waltz comment “As we stated in the first PC…” but it answered my initial questions about prior use.

    Two, this paragraph is relevant…

    Judge James Boasberg is presiding over the El Salvador deportation case. He will now also preside over the Signalgate case, in which the chat participants are accused of violating the Federal Records Act. It is a curious juxtaposition, to say the least: in the one case, the government is unpersuasively invoking national security to keep secrets; in the other, it is openly violating national security in order to preserve the capacity to keep secrets. I think the two cases are linked, not only conceptually, but also technologically. They show both kinds of arguments for authoritarian rule, the traditional and the novel. But most likely they both involve the use of Signal. Perhaps the judge will take the opportunity to inquire.

    Three, in the Wellman piece, he noted that Hegseth cut-and-pasted military intel from classified sources and that Russian Envoy Witkoff was indeed using Signal on his personal cell phone.

    Here is what has been chewing at me since the story of the Signal chat group came out. How did Pete Hegseth send perfectly legible, multi-sentence, military acronym filled strike plans…without a single mistake.

    With the knowledge now that they have deployed Signal onto government devices it appears Hegseth may have copied and pasted these details from the classified documents into Signal. These messages were sent to multiple members who were using personal, unsecured devices for the planning.

    How do we know? Because Steve Witkoff confirmed it this morning that he joined the Signal group on his personal devices that he had left in the United States when he visited Moscow. In his effort to defuse the story that he had been in the group chat in Moscow, he instead confirmed he is using “personal devices” to discuss the plans.

    And he also mentioned the following about the Espionage Act, which doesn’t get into whether intel is classified or not, but does address “national defense materials”, which encompasses this chat group.

    One of the most damaging pieces is that these acts are clearly violations of ‘The Espionage Act.’ The law that often has been used in criminal cases involving leaks or mishandling of classified information, contains a provision making it crime to disclose national defense secrets “through gross negligence.” The law does not require that the information be classified, because it was written before the classification system existed. The law refers simply to “national defense information.”

    Despite this, Bondi remains Trump’s good doggie and tool for pushing all this aside.

    Paul Montagu (97a04c)

  7. nk (62af05) — 3/28/2025 @ 4:18 am

    Little Marco disappearing foreign students off the streets of American for Wrongthink same as Batista or Castro would.

    Exceeding 300. It is supposed to be more than Wrongthink, but they are using artificial Intelligence analysis of social media to find them. And what they say is indeed terribly wrong, in all probability.

    https://www.axios.com/2025/03/06/state-department-ai-revoke-foreign-student-visas-hamas

    Mar 6, 2025 –
    Politics & Policy

    Scoop: State Dept. to use AI to revoke visas of foreign students who appear “pro-Hamas”

    https://nypost.com/2025/03/27/us-news/marco-rubio-says-hes-revoked-least-300-student-visas-from-campus-agitators-looking-every-day-for-these-lunatics

    Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09)

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