Weekend Open Thread
[guest post by Dana]
A post-Christmas nap is on the agenda, so this will be brief.
Let’s start with Christmas “wishes” from the President-elect:
Merry Christmas to all, including to the wonderful soldiers of China, who are lovingly, but illegally, operating the Panama Canal (where we lost 38,000 people in its building 110 years ago), always making certain that the United States puts in Billions of Dollars in “repair” money, but will have absolutely nothing to say about “anything.” Also, to Governor Justin Trudeau of Canada, whose Citizens’ Taxes are far too high, but if Canada was to become our 51st State, their Taxes would be cut by more than 60%, their businesses would immediately double in size, and they would be militarily protected like no other Country anywhere in the World. Likewise, to the people of Greenland, which is needed by the United States for National Security purposes and, who want the U.S. to be there, and we will!…
Merry Christmas to the Radical Left Lunatics, who are constantly trying to obstruct our Court System and our Elections, and are always going after the Great Citizens and Patriots of the United States but, in particular, their Political Opponent, ME. They know that their only chance of survival is getting pardons from a man who has absolutely no idea what he is doing. Also, to the 37 most violent criminals, who killed, raped, and plundered like virtually no one before them, but were just given, incredibly, a pardon by Sleepy Joe Biden. I refuse to wish a Merry Christmas to those lucky “souls” but, instead, will say, GO TO HELL! We had the Greatest Election in the History of our Country, a bright light is now shining over the U.S.A. and, in 26 days, we will, MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. MERRY CHRISTMAS!
President Zelensky announced that the Ukraine for Grain program has already begun sending 500 tons of wheat to Syrians.
Meanwhile, Holocaust survivor Ludmila Lipovsky, 83, was stabbed to death by a Palestinian outside her assisted living facility. Reports say that security guards at the scene acted quickly to subdue the suspect after they heard the terrorist shout “Allahu Akbar.”
Russian surface-to-air missiles suspected in the downing of an Azerbaijan Airlines plane that crashed in Kazakhstan, killing dozens, a U.S. official told ABC News.
And some good news:
Authorities are calling it a holiday miracle. A 78-year-old man with dementia who went missing two days before Christmas in Malibu was found within hours with the help of drones equipped with thermal imaging cameras, according to the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department.
. . . the elderly man was reported missing at about 7:30 p.m. on Dec. 23. A caller told dispatchers that the man had dementia and had left his home to retrieve his mail at 4:30 p.m. but had not returned and could not be found after a search of the area. . . At 8:50 p.m. that same day, the drones located the man lying in a field of thick brush off the side of a roadway about a quarter-mile from his home.
Have a lovely weekend.
—Dana
[Update by JVW: I added the unique and original title “Weekend Open Thread” to this post after Dana confirmed that she didn’t mean for it to be untitled like the fourth Led Zeppelin album.]
Hello.
Dana (73e4b5) — 12/27/2024 @ 10:51 amNetanyahu on is decisions in the war: (from a week ago)
https://www.wsj.com/opinion/netanyahu-the-inside-story-of-israels-comeback-victory-middle-east-change-dad847d8
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 12/27/2024 @ 11:23 amStory about how an official report to President Biden about the origins of the Covid virus was rigged by opponents of the lab leak/artificially created theory;
https://nypost.com/2024/12/26/us-news/spy-bosses-silenced-defense-department-fbi-scientists-from-briefing-biden-on-covid-lab-leak-evidence
They put it under selection pressure, although they may have started with an already slightly engineered version.
https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/fbi-covid-19-pandemic-lab-leak-theory-dfbd8a51
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 12/27/2024 @ 11:30 amAn untitled open thread. It’s like the white album of posts.
Tom Nichols writes about Star Trek and how so many of the episodes relate to the Cold War. I concede he’s a bigger Trekkie than me.
I was in grade school when the series came out, and it made an impression, especially the Doomsday Machine episode.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 12/27/2024 @ 1:32 pm“E plebnista” indeed.
Probably the best Cold War episode was “Balance of Terror” about a risky confrontation with the Romulans. It formed the basis for quite a bit of later Star Trek mythos. Oddly, Nichols neglects that.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/27/2024 @ 2:03 pmCanada wouldn’t be the 51st state. Ever. Maybe in some fantasy they’d be 10 (or maybe 8 if you combine the tiny island ones to the east), but since it is already a federal system, joining them to the US (short of using nukes) you’d have to respect the current setup.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/27/2024 @ 2:08 pmSimilarly, Mexico has 40 states. After the anschluss, they’d not have 40, but it would be at least 10, maybe 20. The idea of a North American Federation isn’t new and while I don’t expect to live so long, I kind of expect it to happen.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/27/2024 @ 2:11 pmThey put it under selection pressure, although they may have started with an already slightly engineered version.
They last thing they wanted was for a popular perception that the virus was manufactured and that its spread was intentional. That would have led to war.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/27/2024 @ 2:13 pmFrom the linked J Post article about the holocaust survivor who was killed:
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/27/2024 @ 2:16 pmProbably not; if it did, the US would lose.
Rip Murdock (fe0fab) — 12/27/2024 @ 2:22 pmDon’t start a war you can’t finish on favorable terms.
Rip Murdock (fe0fab) — 12/27/2024 @ 2:25 pmCongratulations to NASA for the apparent success of the Parker Solar Probe:
Somewhat surprisingly — at least to me — NSA had to slow the probe before its close encounter of the hot kind, which they did with “many” Venus flybys.
Jim Miller (2cc76a) — 12/27/2024 @ 3:04 pmI have to say that I possess strong feelings about the COVID-19 lab leak business. Nobody on either side has covered themselves in glory, and both sides have pandered to bad actors.
The part that actually scares me is what do you do if a particular nation manufactures a pandemic? What if they simply disseminated it via bad practices?
Remember that “gain of function” research is not at all what the popular media contends. Let me give you an example. Before recombinant vaccines, most vaccines against viruses were grown in eggs. That was certainly the case with the influenza vaccine. It’s been known for many years that it is possible to get “bad batches” of influenza vaccines from eggs…because the influenza virus adapted to life in the chicken eggs, and in doing so, was less immunogenic in humans.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8621612/#:~:text=These%20egg%2Dadaptive%20substitutions%20enhance,the%20influenza%20vaccine%20%5B23%5D.
RNA viruses, like influenza and SARS-CoV2 (the virus that causes COVID-19), are extremely prone to mutational change (no proofreading by the RNA-directed RNA polymerase copying their genomes). Because SARS-CoV2 is very large for an RNA virus, it actually does have a proofreading function (but after the fact, not during replication)…and is still obviously error prone. Influenza is worse, since it is a segmented (-) ssRNA virus. That gives rise not just to antigenic drift (which is what we see) but to antigenic shift (like the 1918 and related pandemic strains).
The idea that specific things have been introduced deliberately into SARS-CoV2 is most unlikely based on my reading of the literature and without an axe to grind. Don’t get me started on the furor over furin cleavage sites. Sigh.
Gain of function is used in the study of many viruses. A simple explainer, with some examples of past work with influenza and the way scientists reacted to it.
https://www.news-medical.net/health/What-is-Gain-of-Function-Research.aspx#:~:text=Gain%2Dof%2Dfunction%20research%20(,selective%20pressure%20to%20a%20culture.
The most important issue here is proper oversight and containment.
I have friends who have worked at the CDC. They are very, very cautious. You would be too if you ever put on the moonsuit for a BSL4 lab. I got to try one on once. Sheesh.
Scientists really shot themselves in the collective foot by playing the “trust me” and “people who disagree with me are stupid or evil” cards.
I have always taught my students that true knowledge is the ability to explain what you know to someone without your training.
I’m sorry for the teeny virology lecture.
To be honest, we don’t need venal or evil or clumsy scientists to create pandemics. We all live in one another’s pockets now.
And those darned bats scare me, because they are a great reservoir for nasty viruses.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-03128-0
Best wishes to all.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 12/27/2024 @ 3:45 pmThat’s a charitable take. It would’ve led to government funding of viral research coming into serious question, particularly our cooperation with China which many virologists were heavily invested in. It’s why they lied in the Lancet paper.
The Left was also very heavily invested in China being blameless so that blame could be concentrated on the Trump’s response to the pandemic. Twitter and Facebook banned discussion of the theory until after the election. Glenn Kessler dismissed it as a debunked conspiracy theory. Truth and objective scientific skepticism were less important than winning the election.
lloyd (f408f6) — 12/27/2024 @ 4:03 pmSimon – Thanks much for that explanation.
Which reminds me of a question I have been pondering for some time: Is it possible that the ChiCom government does not know where the virus came from, for certain? (For example: If some lab tech had poor training and, without knowing so, let a nasty escape. There are many other possibilities, of course.)
Jim Miller (2cc76a) — 12/27/2024 @ 4:03 pmUpdate by JVW: I added the unique and original title “Weekend Open Thread” to this post after Dana confirmed that she didn’t mean for it to be untitled like the fourth Led Zeppelin album.
JVW (2659ff) — 12/27/2024 @ 4:05 pmIrony Award candidate.
lloyd (f408f6) — 12/27/2024 @ 4:08 pmOr the white album as Paul Montagu suggests.
JVW (2659ff) — 12/27/2024 @ 4:10 pmThank you, Simon, for all of it.
I doubt we’ll ever get a straight answer for what actually happened at the Wuhan laboratory but, as I understand it, there was a military wing or sector in that building. Whether they manipulated the virus, I don’t know, but I am inclined to believe there were lapses in containment due to shoddy practices.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 12/27/2024 @ 4:22 pmIt’d be well for us to continue this research as much as possible, but I’d rather us not do it with any Chinese, as long as Xi or the like are in power.
Taking a page from Star Trek, the United Federation of North America has a ring to it.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 12/27/2024 @ 4:24 pmVivek and Elon have said some, um, interesting things the last day or so, but I’d rather they talk about immigration than Putin.
We do have a labor shortage, given our 4% unemployment rate, and legal immigrants, including high-skilled immigrants, help our economy and help keep inflation in check. The graph at this link also tells a tale, that we’re better off with an increasing population to boost our economy.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 12/27/2024 @ 6:15 pmIt’d be well for us to continue this research as much as possible, but I’d rather us not do it with any Chinese, as long as Xi or the like are in power.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 12/27/2024 @ 4:22 pm
I predict “the like” will be in power for the rest of our lives.
norcal (a72384) — 12/27/2024 @ 6:35 pm“High skilled” immigrants like:
Rip Murdock (fe0fab) — 12/27/2024 @ 6:35 pmSeriously, The Trump properties couldn’t find Americans to work those jobs?
Rip Murdock (fe0fab) — 12/27/2024 @ 6:39 pmPaul’s linked tweet @22 and Rip’s non-story @24 conflates legal with illegal immigration, which is both dishonest and typical.
lloyd (f408f6) — 12/27/2024 @ 7:04 pmNot at the wages they were willing to pay. Besides, US employees can quit if the working conditions suck. Guest workers can only if they are willing to be sent home.
H2-B, like H1-B, attracts foreign workers who are willing to live 6 to a room and eat ramen for a couple of years, then go home with “riches.” American workers feel entitled to some basic living standards.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/27/2024 @ 7:05 pmJumping the Shark (Tank)
Rip Murdock (86978e) — 12/27/2024 @ 7:22 pm5, Kevin: yes this was almost the best episode. Plus Mark Lenard, the Klingon commander (and Spock’s father) was really good. Spock as the target of the “is he a traitor?” invective from the gung ho guy was riveting. Yeoman Rand was OK too, before she started to fade.
Harcourt Fenton Mudd (a18936) — 12/27/2024 @ 7:55 pmMusk and the maggots are at each other’s throats and trump hasn’t even taken office yet! “The wolves are devouring each other!” Darkness at noon.
asset (149482) — 12/27/2024 @ 8:20 pmRIP actress Olivia Hussey (73):
Rip Murdock (86978e) — 12/27/2024 @ 10:41 pmNeither Vivek nor Elon were talking about illegal immigration, and nor was I, so I’ll take your comment as another round of bad faith on your part.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 12/28/2024 @ 8:14 amAs with Vivek, Musk is on the side of the H-1B visas, which is legal immigration practically by definition.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 12/28/2024 @ 8:18 amIt was clear I was referring to the tweet you linked, which makes no distinction. The bad faith commenting is yours alone.
lloyd (f408f6) — 12/28/2024 @ 8:46 amWhether immigrants are here legally or not, outside of permanent residents they should not replace American workers. The various visa programs which allow employment (such as H-1B, H-2B, H-2A, E1, E2, E3, and EW3) should be curtailed considerably (if not eliminated), not expanded as favored by Musk and Ramaswamy.
Rip Murdock (86978e) — 12/28/2024 @ 9:21 amMusk didn’t specify illegals in that one either, so all you’re doing is compounding your bad faith.
I’ll also note that you went after the commenter, not the comment, consciously choosing to personally attack other commenters.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 12/28/2024 @ 9:25 amAnd nor did Vivek, who wasn’t talking about illegals either.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 12/28/2024 @ 9:26 am@36 I doubt anyone else is paying attention, but here is the tweet Paul linked.
But Paul, keep desperately trying to get folks banned here for breaking commenting rules that only you break.
lloyd (f408f6) — 12/28/2024 @ 9:34 amAnd, I agree with Vivek and Musk. With worker visas, we are able to choose the culture we import, which every country should be allowed to choose. With illegal immigration, that choice is reversed.
lloyd (f408f6) — 12/28/2024 @ 9:38 amAgain, that wasn’t about illegal immigration, just immigration. Bad faith, lloyd, yet again.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 12/28/2024 @ 9:50 amYet another lie. I haven’t called for anyone to get banned here, it’s not my place. First rule of holes, bub.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 12/28/2024 @ 9:52 amExcellent point, Paul. That was actually my point, but go ahead you have my permission to steal it.
lloyd (f408f6) — 12/28/2024 @ 9:59 amYour point was to make a personal attack, lloyd. You didn’t have to go there, but you. Talk about dishonest.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 12/28/2024 @ 10:06 am…but you did.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 12/28/2024 @ 10:07 am2.6 million new legal immigrants a year puts us above replacement, and puts our population growth on an upswing not counting illegals crossing the border, and it gives an economic advantage that scores of other nations don’t have. That was the point. But hey, if you’re afflicted with TDS (Trump Devotion Syndrome) and bogus “invasions”, your first response is to resort to personal attacks.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 12/28/2024 @ 10:12 amRIP actress Olivia Hussey (73)
I saw that film when it came out. Damn this makes me feel old.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/28/2024 @ 10:34 amH-1B visas, which is legal immigration practically by definition.
Indeed. But does all the same damage to American workers (who have families, mortgages and/or student loans) who cannot compete with tag-teams of temporary workers.
Supposedly they are paid the same as US workers, but that’s a transparent fiction since they are never hired directly. Outsourcing to contract worker firms allows vastly different payscales to exist. Ask any IT professional in Silicon Valley what they think.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/28/2024 @ 10:40 amAs with Vivek, Musk is on the side of the H-1B visas, which is legal immigration practically by definition.
The bosses love getting discount workers who can’t quit. Despite what Musk says, he doesn’t like them because of diversity.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/28/2024 @ 10:42 am@35: I see that Rip and I are in agreement here. The moment that H-1B type workers start replacing lawyers, we will see the end of it.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/28/2024 @ 10:43 amThe SV companies will either hire visa workers, or they will outsource the work to design centers in India, Malaysia, or wherever. Choose the option you like best. Most all are doing both, because there’s a limit on visas. (Eventually, a lot of it will be outsourced to AI.)
lloyd (d6baa8) — 12/28/2024 @ 10:52 amI totally agree. Professors, too. Folks immune to market forces, through anti-market work rules and laws, are often the most fervent Adam Smith devotees. Go figure.
lloyd (d6baa8) — 12/28/2024 @ 10:55 amOh, so angry again aren’t you. The guy who’s called me asshole multiple times.
lloyd (d6baa8) — 12/28/2024 @ 10:59 amEveryone — well almost everyone — will want to study Glenn Kessler’s Biggest Pinocchios of 2024.
For example:
(I have begun to wonder whether the constitutional ban on cruel and unusual punishment might limit how long any fact checker has to cover the Loser.)
Jim Miller (1ba302) — 12/28/2024 @ 11:00 amThat’s called projection, lloyd. Your first comment to me in this thread was a personal attack.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 12/28/2024 @ 11:13 am@52 As I noted upthread, Kessler is guilty of the biggest lie this century so far — the lie that the covid lab leak theory was a debunked conspiracy theory. As with all of his fact checks, it was motivated by his politics not facts. The lie didn’t kill millions but served to provide cover to a failure that did kill millions and cost us valuable time in finding the source.
The biggest lie of 2024 is the lie that Biden was mentally fit and was running the White House. Not going to get behind Kessler’s paywall to see if he even acknowledges that lie, but I would be surprised if he set his politics aside to do so.
lloyd (27e139) — 12/28/2024 @ 11:26 amH-1B visas are classified as a non-immigrant visas, which means the holder has no right to stay in this country after the visa expires (up to 6 years, way too long) or if the holder becomes unemployed.
H-1B visa holders aren’t interested in pursuing the American Dream, but do want to enjoy its benefits while avoiding the lower living standards of their home countries.
Rip Murdock (86978e) — 12/28/2024 @ 11:33 amYou’re wrong again. H-1B visas offer a path to green card status after the six years is up. I’ve worked with many visa holders and I can’t recall one who did not seek to stay and get a green card. They have a visa because that’s the best path for them.
lloyd (27e139) — 12/28/2024 @ 11:40 am52: Jim, with respect, you’re not grasping reality:
Americans do not split hairs like “I am writing a paper” academics, clueless pundits and trained media seals who chanted since 2023, that inflation would not happen, and when it did happen, it would be “transitory,” it wasn’t “that bad,” and later that “Bidenonomics Was Working,” and could not understand why Biden didn’t get “credit” for a great economy.
It matters to real people that criminal aliens who should not even be here, are kidnapping, murdering, robbing and setting people on fire; taking over apartment buildings violently, and filling vacant apartments, schools and medical facilities at “our” (that “our” means US citizens) expense. Breaking already strained budgets in Denver, Chicago and NY to name only a few cities.
It does not matter if numbers were “twisted” or not. It matters that there is substantial perceived and real impact.
“Gee, ma’am, the criminal alien only killed one of your sons,” is not a convincing response to a mom who thought he had killed three of them. (Even if Kessler would say “claims of alien killing dead sons are inflated by 100%”)
Reagan once claimed that a “Welfare Queen” had illegally drained off $800,000, and pundits like Kessler thought they made a devasting point when they triumphantly reported that she had really only taken about $80,000.
But infuriated voters were unappeased by assurances that “only” 80,000 had been stolen. The pundits never grasped, as some even now do not grasp, that the essential truth–theft of public funds–what everyone knew was happening–was more impressive than some partisan pundit’s effort to minimize it by claiming that it was “only” 80,000.
What mattered in 2024 was that people that who should not be here, are violently killing and maiming citizens, and draining the fisc. The fact that many or even most have been incarcerated for violent crimes does not reassure anyone or rebut the issue made.
Harcourt Fenton Mudd (ea5157) — 12/28/2024 @ 11:45 am@52 Technically, Trump calling Biden “Sleepy Joe” is a lie. Because Biden isn’t always sleepy. Kessler has built a following around that sort of nonsense, and some folks eat it up.
lloyd (27e139) — 12/28/2024 @ 11:46 am48 and 50: Both right; when a lawyer who took the CA bar calls in to a hearing from Bangalore, where he has a massive law firm, and is charging only $30 US per hearing, the legal profession may wake up, but it’ll be too late.
Harcourt Fenton Mudd (ea5157) — 12/28/2024 @ 11:50 amAny link between holding a temporary worker visa and a path to a green card should be broken. Temporary workers should just be that-once the visa expires the worker returns to their home country. Another reason to severely restrict the H-1B (and other H series visas.)
Rip Murdock (86978e) — 12/28/2024 @ 11:58 amhttps://www.yahoo.com/news/cracks-emerge-trumps-maga-coalition-194125883.html
Another reason to despise Vivek. Every major technical innovation in the world, back to the transistor, was developed by Americans.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/28/2024 @ 12:19 pmRIP the Morrison Hotel (1914-2024):
Rip Murdock (86978e) — 12/28/2024 @ 12:19 pmThe point is they’re here legally, Rip. There’s an argument as to how many, but I don’t have an answer.
Speaking of immigration, the real question is why so many folks would immigrate to Russia in the first place.
Putin’s in a tight spot. With so many dead-injured Russians from his pointless invasion, he needs imported human beings, including North Koreans, to keep his war machine going, to the upset of his right-wing base.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 12/28/2024 @ 12:20 pmTrue H-1B exploitation story:
I worked at a company where they had hired this guy from Canada on an H-1B visa. That visa came with a lot of conditions, preventing him from changing jobs without H-1B status following him.
It turns out that he didn’t need an H-1B visa to work in America — Canadian citizenship is enough. BUt having been talked into it by the hiring company, he was screwed as he would have to return to Canada for a while in order to recover his normal rights.
Companies LOVE H-1B because it gets them captive workers, often a a steep discount if the actual hiring is by a service bureau.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/28/2024 @ 12:23 pmA distinction without a difference. Both those on temporary worker visas and illegal immigrants take jobs away from American citizens.
Rip Murdock (86978e) — 12/28/2024 @ 12:23 pmThe point is they’re here legally, Rip.
Indeed they are. But it is not in the country’s interest or the interest of its workers. It is solely in the interest of Capital to get laborers on the cheap. Why do you think Trump does it?
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/28/2024 @ 12:25 pmKevin Williamson on Syria.
HTS leadership could well revert to being a hardline Islamist state but, after 50-years of Assad authoritarian rule, there’s at least some daylight for improvement for the Syrian people.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 12/28/2024 @ 1:25 pmIf there is a lesson to be learned from the events of 2024, it is this: There are no lost causes.
I learned that Christmas Day, 1991
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/28/2024 @ 1:29 pmNow that the election is over the lame stream media has discovered the homeless problem in America just in time to blame trump when he takes office. Democrat party establishment and donor class busy trying to suppress the progressive wing of the party with geriatrics like cancer ridden connolly. Elites like musk battling populists like bannon get out the pop corn!
asset (a52576) — 12/28/2024 @ 1:35 pmWe’re at 4% unemployment, there’s a labor shortage. The argument about immigrants “taking jobs from Americans” would be stronger if there were more job seekers than jobs available.
BTW, unless he pulls a TikTok flip-flop, Trump likes those H-1B’s.
Like I said above, I don’t have answers on this and, without adequate controls and safeguards, the program is open to abuse. Perhaps mend it, don’t end it, at least while the economy is banging on all cylinders.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 12/28/2024 @ 1:35 pmWe’re at 4% unemployment, there’s a labor shortage. The argument about immigrants “taking jobs from Americans” would be stronger if there were more job seekers than jobs available.
The argument wouldn’t be made if there weren’t long-term unemployed who are generally not included in those statistics. Over 20% of white men in their 30s and 40s are not in the labor force.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/28/2024 @ 1:44 pmColorado man assaults reporter yelling this is trump’s country now! (AP) It begins.
asset (a52576) — 12/28/2024 @ 1:46 pmKevin, that’s an 8-year old article. The labor force participation rate was 62.5% in November 2024, virtually the same as the 62.7% rate in November 2016, despite all the boomers that retired over this 8-year period.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 12/28/2024 @ 2:01 pmHamas is still up to its old tricks, committing war crimes by embedding in a civilian hospital.
The hospital director appears to be a Hamas colonel.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 12/28/2024 @ 2:12 pmWe don’t see as much as coverage of this as we used to, perhaps because Hamas clearly got busted for their war criming, and they’re pretty much routed. Unfortunately, they’re not routed enough to surrender.
Colorado man assaults reporter yelling this is trump’s country now! (AP) It begins.
asset (a52576) — 12/28/2024 @ 1:46 pm
I somewhat dread the answer, but just have to ask. What begins?
norcal (a72384) — 12/28/2024 @ 2:13 pmLOL! Trump apparently has no clue-his properties use the H-2B non-immigrant visa program:
It’s hard to believe there is a shortage of waiters, maids, desk clerks or housekeepers.
Rip Murdock (86978e) — 12/28/2024 @ 2:14 pmSource for blockquote.
Again, it makes no difference if the immigrants hold a non-immigrant work visa or are illegal. They are still taking jobs away from Americans.
Rip Murdock (86978e) — 12/28/2024 @ 2:47 pmJust a quick comment. Dr. Michael Kennedy was a long time commenter here for many years (I knew him electronically via the Cathy Seipp connection, along with the late Bradley Fikes).
Dr. K was super curmudgeonly, often argumentative, and finally got banned. I heard from him every couple of weeks, mostly about how I should get a dog. He was a complicated fellow.
I learned from his son that he passed away in late October.
If you are so inclined, spare a few kind thoughts for the man. Of course he could be hard to get along with, but he had his demons like anyone else. He was always kind to me.
Best wishes to all.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 12/28/2024 @ 3:09 pmBy allowing H-1B visa holders to fast track to permanent residency, we are accelerating the “brain drain” and poverty of their home countries by allowing their most talented to remain here.
Rip Murdock (86978e) — 12/28/2024 @ 5:02 pmKevin, that’s an 8-year old article.
Describing a trend that had been monotonically in the same direction over 40 years. The trend has not changed, either and the fact that it has not changed can be seen in Trump’s continued appeal to the white working class.
Over and over, upper-middle-class people quote the officially promulgated statistics that fly in the face of the experience of the less-insulated. Inflation, they say, wasn’t all that bad, and I’m supposed to forget that eggs are now $5/dozen and lots of other staple foods have doubled in price. But then the people quoting those stats never look at the prices they pay.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/28/2024 @ 5:09 pmIt’s hard to believe there is a shortage of waiters, maids, desk clerks or housekeepers.
Again, there is a shortage of those who are willing to work for assh0les.
“So, you don’t like the way you are treated? I guess you want to go back to Bangladesh.”
It’s just a legal way to exploit people who have no real recourse, and less trouble all around than hiring illegals.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/28/2024 @ 5:12 pmBy allowing H-1B visa holders to fast track to permanent residency
Well, that may not be their objective. They came here looking to go home in 2 years with $50,000 — enough to buy a house in Bangalore, rather than leave home forever.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/28/2024 @ 5:16 pmSo the truth must be hidden?
China blocked domestic flights, but allowed international once from Wuhan as the virus exploded. That is an act of war.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 12/28/2024 @ 5:50 pmVery sorry to hear that, Simon.
In my experience, while plenty of people actually resemble who they are online, plenty do not. Internet discussion can be frustrating – indeed as we see here, there are people who try as hard as they can to keep it frustrating, lest a real conversation happen.
Dustin (ffed87) — 12/28/2024 @ 6:05 pmThat is an act of war.
Only if we care enough to actually go to war. As it stands the Chinese are being excluded from new technology, and increasingly from trade with the West, so that if and when a war happens, they will be at a disadvantage.
Of course, they may view that as necessitating said war. We did the same things to Imperial Japan, and that led to Pearl Harbor.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/28/2024 @ 6:06 pmInternet discussion can be frustrating
Something I always try to remember, but frequently fail, is that this is a HUGELY limited form of discussion. There are no facial expressions, no body language, no tones of voice that would imbue the typed words with more character. So, when Paul says something and I interpret it differently than he intended, of vice-versa, it’s quite possible to fall down a rabbit hole that would not happen face-to-face.
The classic form
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/28/2024 @ 6:10 pmRob, do you have a credible link for that?
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 12/28/2024 @ 6:27 pmWill an Elon-influenced TikTok-favoring Trump administration take a harder line on the ChiComs hacking American telecom firms? I really don’t know.
What we do know is that nine Chinese hacks happened under a senile Biden administration without making Xi pay any serious price.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 12/28/2024 @ 6:48 pmJust a quick comment. Dr. Michael Kennedy was a long time commenter here for many years (I knew him electronically via the Cathy Seipp connection, along with the late Bradley Fikes).
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 12/28/2024 @ 3:09 pm
I remember him well. He always commented as Mike K. I really enjoyed reading his comments. He was a surgeon who loved history. He split his time between Tucson and Orange County. He was one of those unfortunate people who got snookered by the Trump Show. I would check his blog (abriefhistory.org) periodically, and I noticed that he hadn’t posted anything since August 2023.
Mike taught me something that I remember to this day. The two groups of people who get the worst medical care are the very poor, and the very rich. The poor group is self-explanatory. The rich get poor care because they don’t take the doctor’s advice (Steve Jobs) or they can pay doctors to get anything they want (Michael Jackson).
Thank you for letting me know this, Simon.
RIP Dr. Kennedy.
norcal (a72384) — 12/28/2024 @ 9:17 pmMsnbc reports health insurance co. deliberately denying cancer treatment to patients killing them for increased profits. (DU) Ceo had family so did the people denied cancer treatment. One is called murder other is called capitalism in action.
asset (a50da2) — 12/28/2024 @ 11:43 pm@75 Netanyahu up to his old tricks too! Palestinian babies living in the open and unheated tents dying of hypothermia and now being forced out of hospital. (CBS News, NBC News, ABC News, others) Similar to what happened in the warsaw ghetto before surviving children were sent to Auschwitz. Those of us who support the destruction and elimination of hamas do not support what is being done to babies and children.
asset (a50da2) — 12/28/2024 @ 11:55 pm@76 assault on free press and others who question the dear leader by his maggot storm troopers.
asset (a50da2) — 12/28/2024 @ 11:58 pm@79 It surprises me every morning that I still wake up. Probably others here too!
asset (a50da2) — 12/29/2024 @ 12:01 amThe nice thing about iPhones is the weather app, which shows lows in the upper 40s to low 50s, and highs in the 60s in the Gaza strip, so I call bullsh-t to this babies “dying of hypothermia” line in a climate that’s the same as Laguna Niguel.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 12/29/2024 @ 7:30 amWhy Can’t the Weather Apps on Our Phones Get It Right?
Rip Murdock (86978e) — 12/29/2024 @ 8:34 amSunday is a good day to celebrate an enormous American success in foreign policy, PEPFAR.
25 million lives!
I say American, because research by American companies made this possible, American diplomats were able to set up these programs in poor nations, with weak and sometimes corrupt governments, and American taxpayers paid most of the bill.
The life expectancy chart shows the gains so far — and how much is left to be done.
Somewhat surprisingly, the progress has continued, in spite of three incompetent presidents in a row: Obama,Trump, and Biden.
(Why Sunday? Because, in my opinion, George W. Bush and Condoleeza Rice were motivated, in large part, by their Christian faith.)
Jim Miller (b90d2b) — 12/29/2024 @ 9:10 amChina blocked domestic flights, but allowed international once from Wuhan as the virus exploded.
Anecdotally, there is some truth to this. China was limiting domestic travel, but allowed numerous Chinese, including some from Wuhan, to travel to CES (Las Vegas) in January 2020. There is other anecdotal evidence that CES was a transmission site.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/29/2024 @ 9:55 amMsnbc reports health insurance co. deliberately denying cancer treatment to patients killing them for increased profits.
Interesting that you never provide links.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/29/2024 @ 9:56 ama climate that’s the same as Laguna Niguel
A climate that homeless people flock to, although perhaps not to Laguna Niguel. Maybe Oceanside.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/29/2024 @ 9:58 am“Limiting”, yes.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 12/29/2024 @ 10:09 am“Blocked”, no.
But everyone who was going to CES, went. As I said, anecdotally: My sister and her husband attended CES and came down with “a real bad cold” right after. There were also early pockets of Covid in Seattle, Silicon Valley and New York, all of which had many CES attendees.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/29/2024 @ 10:23 amKevin, the issue that Rob raised was his wrong claim that China blocked domestic flights, which led to his wrong claim of an “act of war” by Xi.
Trump’s so-called “travel ban” of flights from China had holes in it a mile wide.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 12/29/2024 @ 10:48 amPaul loves taking the word of communist China and then passive aggressively stating someone is wrong.
We know at the time China lied repeatedly. Now we know our own heads did the same
NJRob (115d1c) — 12/29/2024 @ 11:13 amKevin, the issue that Rob raised was his wrong claim that China blocked domestic flights
It would depend on what “limited” meant. If they were just stopping all internal travel from Wuhan, but allowing international travel from Wuhan, Rob would be essentially right. It is really hard to know because the Chinese were lying about everything related to Covid.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/29/2024 @ 11:31 amIt’s pretty clear that China’s internal controls were much different than what they were letting on to outsiders. Along with most of their knowledge — they had isolated the virus months before they told WHO, and they were still claiming it was no big deal well into 2020.
Now, Hanlon’s Razor is probably the most valid tool here. Bureaucratic inertia, incompetence, denial and blame-shifting had more to do with China’s response than any malicious intent. I suspect that there were some who didn’t want China to take the economic hit alone, but that was not the motive force.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/29/2024 @ 11:37 amBiden regrets dropping out, thinks HE would have beat Trump. Never mind that Harris lost because she could not distance herself from Joe’s terrible leadership, or promise any better.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/29/2024 @ 11:57 amKevin M (a9545f) — 12/29/2024 @ 11:37 am
There was a purposeful attempt to conceal the existence of the virus (which is policy for all infectious diseases in China) – and it worked for the first lab leak, sometime before August 12, 2019, but not for the second leak of a more serious version of the virus on or about December 2, 2019.
There was later concealment of its spread until a trade deal could be negotiated with Donald Trump, and openness from about mid-January through February 12 – then lying began again.
I read that the person who obtained a patent on a vaccine (suspiciously early) later died from a fall from a window but this was just a mention somewhere and I don’t know if this is true,
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 12/29/2024 @ 12:36 pmI don’t know how people assumed that the re-election of Mike Johnson as Speaker was taken for granted.
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 12/29/2024 @ 12:37 pmWhat didn’t happen in 2021 may happen in 2025, The certification prevented. (because no Speaker)
We could see this lasting through noon of January 20, and Senator Chuck Grassley, age 91, (or maybe JD Vance?) sworn in as Acting President.
Or the House operating anyhow without a Speaker.’
Or Hakeem Jeffries elected Speaker.
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 12/29/2024 @ 12:43 pmDonald Trump’s use of immigration to get himsekf elected coming home to roost.
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 12/29/2024 @ 12:44 pmThe WSJ ran an article Sat/Sun about how the dangers to civil aviation now come from missiles,
One day later aa plane crashed in South Korea,
Three things went wrong: The landing gear did not deploy, it didn’t slow down, and it turned abd crashed into a wall. The last was the thing that killed all but two people aboard the plane. (in the back They were two employees who evidently knew what place on the plane was safest)
There must have ben a loss of control, which also could mean that the black boxes stopped working. Electrical system (or hydraulic system>) probably out.
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 12/29/2024 @ 12:51 pmNew disease probably going around, Could be a version of bird flu. A vaccine exists and production has been ordered but the Biden Administration is not urging the FDA to approve it,
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 12/29/2024 @ 12:53 pmOne, you’re lying that I’m “taking the word of communist China”.
Two, I asked you yesterday to back up your claim that “China blocked domestic flights, but allowed international once from Wuhan as the virus exploded” and, so far, nada, silence, nothing. Just kvetching.
Man up, Rob, support your claim.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 12/29/2024 @ 12:55 pmhttps://x.com/tomselliott/status/1872672931396178238?
Nailed it. And how many bought into and repeated these lies.
NJRob (115d1c) — 12/29/2024 @ 12:58 pmJimmy Carter, RIP.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 12/29/2024 @ 1:05 pmMediocre president at best, but a decent ex-president.
RIP James Earl Carter, Jr. , a decent person who became President.
Rip Murdock (86978e) — 12/29/2024 @ 1:08 pmHow so? He has resolved the contretemps over the H-1B visa issue by supporting them; it is unlikely that he will go back on his support for mass deportations. The only question that remains is whether neighborhood sweeps will be conducted
Rip Murdock (041a11) — 12/29/2024 @ 1:31 pmI don’t think the new Administration should back down on their plans for deportations. Trump won; he doesn’t need to lower his goals to gain political support. He needs to strike while the iron is hot. If that requires legislation to clarify to use of military forces to assist, it should be done now; at the zenith of his political capital before it gets sucked into other fights.
Rip Murdock (86978e) — 12/29/2024 @ 2:00 pmhttps://www.thecollegefix.com/there-were-21-campus-hate-crime-hoaxes-uncovered-in-2024/
The demand for claiming Americans are racist bigots far exceeds the supply.
NJRob (115d1c) — 12/29/2024 @ 2:01 pmNot according to lloyd:
If I had an opportunity to work in America, and after experiencing everything it had to offer, why would I go back to Bangalore? Note that H-1Bs can bring their spouse and children with them with the H-4 visa.
Rip Murdock (86978e) — 12/29/2024 @ 2:17 pmhttps://x.com/alexdatig/status/1873103870047727861?
Cannot be any clearer that leftist governments do not care about her citizens and support those who prey upon them.
NJRob (115d1c) — 12/29/2024 @ 2:31 pmIn reality, the easiest option would be to send the Navy and Marines and seize Greenland (and the Panama Canal) and dare Denmark and Panama to defend themselves. Once we possess the territories it would make negotiations smoother.
😏
Rip Murdock (86978e) — 12/29/2024 @ 2:48 pmIn reality, the easiest option would be to send the Navy and Marines and seize Greenland (and the Panama Canal) and dare Denmark and Panama to defend themselves. Once we possess the territories it would make negotiations smoother.
😏
Rip Murdock (86978e) — 12/29/2024 @ 2:48 pm
If Trump did something like that I would protest in the streets.
norcal (a72384) — 12/29/2024 @ 3:40 pmThat was probably the stupidest comment I’ve heard yet from a Trumpist about Greenland, given that Greenland is a NATO member, protected by Article 5 of the treaty.
Equally stupid is that they could somehow become part of Alaska, which is 2,500 miles and seven time zones away.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 12/29/2024 @ 3:53 pmIf Trump actually occupied Greenland or the Panama Canal the vast majority of Americans wouldn’t care.
Rip Murdock (86978e) — 12/29/2024 @ 4:28 pmI have nothing good to say about Jimmy Carter.
As President, his management of the economy was beyond terrible and his foreign policy delivered the people of Iran unto a religious dictatorship.
As post-President he was a tiresome nag. He was also single-handedly responsible for North Korea getting nuclear weapons — after they got caught cheating and Bill Clinton was preparing to use military force, he interceded and came back with a promise they’d not cheat anymore. Spoiler: they lied.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/29/2024 @ 4:48 pmJimmy Carter, RIP.
Mediocre president at best, but a decent ex-president.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 12/29/2024 @ 1:05 pm
RIP James Earl Carter, Jr. , a decent person who became President.
Rip Murdock (86978e) — 12/29/2024 @ 1:08 pm
Neither of these are true. He won his first primary in GA by race-baiting his anti-segregationist opponent, linking him to MLK Jr and implying he was a communist.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/29/2024 @ 4:50 pmSorry, Paul, you are right about the mediocrity.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/29/2024 @ 4:51 pmPaul Montagu (7329e4) — 12/29/2024 @ 10:09 am
Do you consider Xinhua to be a credible source?
Xinhua Headlines: In unprecedented move, China locks down megacity to curb virus spread
JoeH (390085) — 12/29/2024 @ 4:56 pmGreenland
Truman wanted to acquire Greenland.
Seward tried very hard to buy Greenland and Iceland in 1868 (for $5.5 million), but ran out of time. His plan was to surround Canada (having just bought Alaska from the Russians). Britain was not amused.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/29/2024 @ 4:56 pmHere’s the travel advisory issued by the State Department on Feb 19 2020. China did not ban air travel from the country. The Xinhua article I cited above stated that travel from Wuhan, including air travel, was banned on Jan 23. Within about a week, many international airlines began suspending or limiting flights into and out of China. The travel advisory states that “…Most commercial air carriers have reduced or suspended routes to and from China, yet seats remain available to depart the country.”
Update to Travel Advisory for China (February 19, 2020)
JoeH (390085) — 12/29/2024 @ 5:15 pmContemporaneous article on Carters “private diplomacy” with North Korea
Guess what.
Every time someone mentions the Logan Act over some tiny infraction, I remember Carter’s intercession on the side of Evil
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/29/2024 @ 5:28 pmCarter was naive when it came to evil governments.
It’s as if he believed in Rousseau’s philosophy about the inherent goodness of man.
norcal (a72384) — 12/29/2024 @ 6:01 pmPhil Gramm on Carter’s legacy:
Rip Murdock (86978e) — 12/29/2024 @ 6:47 pmPolitics ain’t bean bag.
Rip Murdock (86978e) — 12/29/2024 @ 6:49 pmI gave Rob 24 hours to provide a credible link that “China blocked domestic flights, but allowed international once from Wuhan as the virus exploded” and, as I expected, he refused to deliver.
I assume Rob unquestioningly took a lying asshole like Trump’s word that “you could fly out of Wuhan and you could go to different parts of the world, but you couldn’t go to Beijing, and you couldn’t go to any place in China.”
But the problem is, Trump’s claim is false.
Fightradar24 isn’t the “word of communist China”, which is a stupid and wrong smear on Rob’s part, because they’re a global tracking service, based in Sweden, which is a free country with a free economy, not communist nor affiliated with communist China.
The false claim appears to have originated with Niall Ferguson, a conservative historian, and he’s an intellectual with the intellectual honesty to revise and amend his original remarks.
His amended remarks are true, that China blocked international and domestic flights from Wuhan, but were too late in doing so, and that’s on communist Xi and his communist regime.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 12/29/2024 @ 6:53 pmPaul, I guess you missed 130 & 132. That someone else came up with those links does not mean you win the argument.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/29/2024 @ 7:02 pmKevin, the subject was about the claim that China was not blocking international flights from Wuhan but blocking domestic flights. Debunked.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 12/29/2024 @ 7:24 pmWhy is whether China blocked flights in 2020 still important?
Rip Murdock (86978e) — 12/29/2024 @ 7:43 pm@99 I did put in Msnbc and could be seen on DU. Any more sophisticated links I don’t know how to do.
asset (343d8f) — 12/29/2024 @ 9:49 pm@136 True See: Nixon committing treason with south vietnam thru anna chennault to delay peace talks. LBJ taped treason and had sen. dierksen tell tricky dick to knock it off. Reagan election team committed treason with Iran to hold hostage till after 1980 election with bill casey and john connally the go betweens with Iran. That was the start of the Iran/contra drug dealing and treason. The internet has all the gory details. When yasser arafat told carter years later about it as he was in on it carter said it would destroy the republican party if he went public.
asset (343d8f) — 12/29/2024 @ 10:08 pmRIP Broadway and television (Alice) star Linda Lavin (87)
Rip Murdock (86978e) — 12/30/2024 @ 7:10 am142: Why are all these lies constantly repeated? There is no basis to them except for some leftist speculation.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/30/2024 @ 7:30 amAny more sophisticated links I don’t know how to do.
Then you need to stay in the shallow end of the pool.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/30/2024 @ 7:31 amKevin Williamson is on a roll…
Williamson names nine others in this “all the best” pantheon, including Trump’s son’s ex-girlfriend.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 12/30/2024 @ 8:38 amSpeaking of ambassadors, I finished Season 2 of The Diplomat a few weeks back, binge-watched it actually. It’s really good. Funny, well-written, fast-paced.
Yawn…
whembly (477db6) — 12/30/2024 @ 9:49 amThe only reason, in the age of instant communication between world leaders, for ambassadorships is to reward supporters, no matter now incompetent they are. I doubt the ambassador to the Bahamas has anything to do with curtailing drug (or human) smuggling in the Caribbean, that’s a job for the Navy and Coast Guard.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 12/30/2024 @ 9:58 amhttps://rosselliotbarkan.com/p/twilight-of-the-liberal-left-236
Good.
I’m here for their anguish and I forevermore wish they wallow in that abyss.
Because they cannot even see beyond their elitist bubble.
Quite possibly the greatest ironic political twist in history…
Great piece, read the whole thing.
whembly (477db6) — 12/30/2024 @ 9:58 amSad!
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 12/30/2024 @ 10:10 amLet me know how much research Williamson has done into the Biden crime family
Thanks in advance.
NJRob (aa789e) — 12/30/2024 @ 10:38 am#149
Remember, whatever we get in the next four years, you voted for it, and deserve to get it good and hard. Because most of y’all just so WANT this. Though you tell us you don’t — well, not quite like this. But it does make you giddy, doesn’t it?
So enjoy your billionaire overlords as they have sport with you. And don’t mind too much when the assets of the world storm your castle. If you want the Gilded Age, prepare for your Haymarket Riots.
Appalled (f9f0a7) — 12/30/2024 @ 11:20 am@152
Over a Harris/Walz administration?
Hell yeah I’m giddy about it.
Sure, there will be rough spots here and there… but those issues would be FAR MORE PREFERABLE than whatever insanities that would’ve been advanced by the Harris administration.
lol.
whembly (477db6) — 12/30/2024 @ 11:25 amI don’t disagree. I’m just sorry that their date with the Devil has been unreasonably delayed.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/30/2024 @ 11:30 amIf you want the Gilded Age, prepare for your Haymarket Riots.
The way the Democrats were headed, we were going to have continuing Haymarket riots. At least now they might stop for a while.
If you want to see an answer to homelessness, support deportation. It’s amazing that folks cannot connect the dots between unfettered immigration of destitute people and the rise of the unhoused.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/30/2024 @ 11:34 amMaybe you can start by showing evidence of a crime, because all you’ve got to-date is Comer’s years-long dry hump that made zero criminal referrals.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 12/30/2024 @ 11:46 amFor those concerned about drenched Gazan babies getting hypothermia, check your sources, and then unfollow Quds News Network.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 12/30/2024 @ 12:04 pmNational Review on Jimmy Carter:
Jimmy Carter Was a Terrible President — and an Even Worse Former President
The Logan Act makes this criminal, but his supporters ignore that while trotting out the Act for all kinds of mundane things.
Bury him at the crossroads.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/30/2024 @ 12:34 pmUntrue, their sentences were commuted to life in prison without parole.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 12/30/2024 @ 12:39 pmGiven the fact that the only prosecutions under the Logan Act were in 1803 and 1952, neither of which resulted in convictions, makes anyone being charged almost impossible.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 12/30/2024 @ 12:45 pmI think this link is unlocked:
https://www.wsj.com/opinion/netanyahu-the-inside-story-of-israels-comeback-victory-middle-east-change-dad847d8?st=Q5JiGE&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
There’s also a New York Times article about how Israel planned the destruction of Hezbollah’s military capability:;
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/29/world/middleeast/israel-hezbollah-nasrallah-assassination-intelligence.html
And with the walkie talkies, ost of them wee in storage. This year Israel found out that someone in Hezbollah was raising questions about them and they did a bombing raid that killed him. (intelligence wasn’t as good about Hamas and there’s probably a scandal in the works about all aspects of this)
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 12/30/2024 @ 12:53 pmRip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 12/30/2024 @ 12:39 pm
People call that pardons. It’s wrong but not untrue – just a misuse of language. lame the constitution.
So is that a reprieve? Or does it maybe falls within the meaning of the word pardon (since a reprieve removes all punishment) Or is it a corollary of the pardon power since if a president can free someone he surely can reduce the sentence.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 12/30/2024 @ 1:00 pmEvidence? According to this article, his early views on race were much more nuanced, more of the “privately sympathetic yet publicly quiet” variety; he saw what happened to white businessmen who spoke out: their businesses were hit with arson attacks. But when he was elected governor, he explicitly said “The time for racial discrimination is over.”
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 12/30/2024 @ 1:01 pmTexas school book ban forces school districts to ban the bible. (gaurdian)
asset (6152ae) — 12/30/2024 @ 1:12 pmI wonder if that is true, or if the claim that he flew to North Korea without teliing President Clinton was just a cover story. I have always thought this likely.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 12/30/2024 @ 1:14 pmSo is that a reprieve? Or does it maybe falls within the meaning of the word pardon (since a reprieve removes all punishment) Or is it a corollary of the pardon power since if a president can free someone he surely can reduce the sentence.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 12/30/2024 @ 1:00 pm
It’s a factual and misleading error to call one thing something when it is another. To say one is pardoned is to say they are forgiven (see Chief Justice Marshall in US v. Wilson (1833), describing a pardon as an “act of grace.”) To commute a sentence or grant a reprieve is not the same thing. Reprieves are not like pardons, the recipient’s offense is not forgiven.
Source. Footnotes omitted.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 12/30/2024 @ 1:16 pmKevin M (a9545f) — 12/29/2024 @ 4:48 pm
He was a liar.
His first significant lie: In 1975 and 1976, he convinced the media that he was a serious candidate for president, and he did such avgood job of it, he was eventually elected president. (He had campaigned extensively in Iowa and was better known there than Senator Henry M. “Scoop” Jackson.
But Curtis Sliwa came up with 3 or 4 things:
1) The Chrysler bailout.
2) Legalizing small beer companies
3) Airline deregulation
and the camp David accords.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 12/30/2024 @ 1:23 pmNational Review on Jimmy Carter:
Jimmy Carter Was a Terrible President — and an Even Worse Former President
[I]nstead of stepping away, he spent the rest of his life simply pretending that he was still president and pursuing foreign policy goals even when it meant undermining the actual president.
The two most egregious examples of this came in his efforts to stop the first Iraq War and his freelance nuclear diplomacy with North Korea….
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/30/2024 @ 12:34 pm
Wow. It’s even worse than I thought. What a tool.
norcal (a72384) — 12/30/2024 @ 1:26 pm@144 You wish. Are you saying the tape of nixon and anna chenault doesn’t exist? These were the first four on the internet many more. BBC, LBJ library, NYT, Salon and many more following. Ben barnes admits he was on trip with john connolly sent by bill casey to cut a deal with Iran to hold hostages to win 1980 election. Verdict, axios, NYT, Gaurdian, texas standard and wikapedia has many more. You never heard of Iran/countra pardons? This treason was the start of it.
asset (6152ae) — 12/30/2024 @ 1:30 pm@149 As it should be! These corporate establishment liberal stooges, their donor masters and their media running dogs have discredited themselves with the democrat party. The left is now ready to assume leadership in the party and fight back!
asset (6152ae) — 12/30/2024 @ 1:36 pmThe left is now ready to assume leadership in the party and fight back!
asset (6152ae) — 12/30/2024 @ 1:36 pm
I’d wager you’ve been thinking that for the past 50 years.
norcal (a72384) — 12/30/2024 @ 1:43 pmGiven the fact that the only prosecutions under the Logan Act were in 1803 and 1952, neither of which resulted in convictions, makes anyone being charged almost impossible.
Agreed. I am just contrasting Carter’s extreme violations of that act with the mundane things that the assets of the world spout.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/30/2024 @ 1:43 pmEvidence?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970_Georgia_gubernatorial_election#Controversy
https://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/government-politics/jimmy-carter/
(Uncopyable PDF article (see 2nd paragraph)
https://www.ajc.com/news/state–regional-govt–politics/the-political-grudge-carl-sanders-takes-his-grave/pkv07kyoXFdg3rEI9OrlwI/
(The AJC story is behind a pernicious paywall. Use the Wayback machine)
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/30/2024 @ 2:01 pmUntrue, their sentences were commuted to life in prison without parole.
For Trump, that’s accuracy.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/30/2024 @ 2:03 pm@144 You wish.
If you cannot LINK to solid sources, it’s just rubbish.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/30/2024 @ 2:05 pmI’d wager you’ve been thinking that for the past 50 years.
I have a leftist friend who remembers his VERY Left grandmother saying “I’d hoped to see the revolution in my lifetime, but maybe you will.” He’s about 80 now.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/30/2024 @ 2:06 pmKevin M (a9545f) — 12/30/2024 @ 2:06 pm
😁
norcal (a72384) — 12/30/2024 @ 2:31 pmI think leaders in both parties have personal agendas. I also think most Americans (including everyone here) want the best for our country and communities, but disagree about how to get there.
DRJ (9348ff) — 12/30/2024 @ 3:33 pmI also think most Americans (including everyone here) want the best for our country and communities, but disagree about how to get there.
DRJ (9348ff) — 12/30/2024 @ 3:33 pm
Absolutely, DRJ, and hello. It’s good to see you here. I’m sure you’re loving all the college football recently.
To your point, it’s like a father and mother both wanting the best for their kid, but disagreeing about how to raise the kid.
norcal (a72384) — 12/30/2024 @ 3:37 pmGood comparison, norcal.
I am loving college football. It seems like there is a lot more parity with the transfer portal, and the games are really interesting.
DRJ (9348ff) — 12/30/2024 @ 5:02 pmMy beloved Huskies are playing in the Tony the Tiger Sun Bowl tomorrow, 11am PST on CBS. It’s going to be a GRRRRREAT New Years Eve.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 12/30/2024 @ 8:28 pmXi needs to pay for this hack, regardless of Musk, especially after the Salt Typhoon hack, and Trump should flip-flop back to opposing TikTok.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 12/30/2024 @ 8:37 pmThere are people in the US government who have to pay for these hacks, too. The really annoying thing about the telco hack was that everyone who knew how these things worked said that installing government backdoors into telco systems was a huge mistake.
The ironic thing is that the US government had the least access to the stored information, as THEY needed warrants to access it. The Chinese did not.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/30/2024 @ 8:58 pmIt’s time to create the Western Internet, with all access from China and Russia blocked.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/30/2024 @ 9:04 pm181, Paul: I am told University Way is not what it was; at least the Huskies still are.
Harcourt Fenton Mudd (8aeb23) — 12/30/2024 @ 9:49 pm@172 nixon/reagan treason and sedition to win 1968/1980 elections is mundane?
asset (17f33f) — 12/30/2024 @ 11:09 pm@175 nyt wp bbc guardian are not credible sources? NYT 3/18/2023 Bill casey sends john connolly to cut deal with Iran to keep hostage till after the election Craig ungers den of spies. Intercept 3/24/2023 everyone who confirmed Iran contra treason. There is more axios mar. 18 2023 and business insider mar. 18 2023.
asset (17f33f) — 12/30/2024 @ 11:22 pmAsset,
they are not credible. They have an agenda which is to tar conservatives with lies and destroy their leadership.
To them, just like yourself, it’s always time for the next revolution. You all do Duranty proud.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 12/31/2024 @ 5:11 amWhether Trump supports TikTok or not is irrelevant; it will be the Supreme Court making the decision. I doubt the Court will accept Trump’s argument to delay the ban so that he negotiate a better deal; they will either allow the ban to go into effect or overturn it on 1A grounds.
Rip Murdock (e0c8ae) — 12/31/2024 @ 7:21 amMy favorite part of New Year’s celebrations: Dave Barry’s annual year in review:
He’s not making that up. (I usually pay 23 cents a piece for bananas at Trader Joe’s.)
Jim Miller (046a9c) — 12/31/2024 @ 8:38 am#189
Rip — whether Trump supports TikTok or not is supposed to be irrelevent. Currently, whether it is feels like an open question. Whil the Court will probably not give judicial notice to the brief filed by Trump’s attorney, they may do what he asks, after finding some legal doctrine or other that will do for the occasion. And we will never know whether the decision was made on the basis of principle, or a desire to yield.
Appalled (1cbc37) — 12/31/2024 @ 8:48 am@172 nixon/reagan treason and sedition to win 1968/1980 elections is mundane?
No, those lies are extreme libels. Thanks for the correction. Hint: When only one person, someone with a grudge, asserts that someone they hate did something bad, you should take it for the lie it is.
I’m more concerned with things like Obama — on tape — telling the Russians that he’d be more flexible after the election, then Russia taking him up on it and seizing Crimea.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/31/2024 @ 8:50 amIt’s become more blighted, thanks in part to the “unhoused” problem.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 12/31/2024 @ 8:50 amSeattle has made a concerted effort get rid of the tents and tent communities, so it’s a little better.
The Huskies took a hit after that traitor de Boer bailed on us after only two seasons, so this was a rebuilding season.
@175 nyt wp bbc guardian are not credible sources?
If you do not LINK to the %&$king story, they are not sources at all. They are like saying “somebody told me”
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/31/2024 @ 8:51 amThe telco hack is actually worse than you might think. Coupled with the previous OPM hack (where China had access to ALL US security clearance applications and investigations), being able to access all the telco’s required recordings of conversations, all texts, cellphone geolocation data and God-knows-what, they would be able to select conversations among people with security clearances and see where they were working.
Example: if you can select all those people going daily to Los Alamos, and know which ones have Q clearances, you can pretty well figure out everything to know about US nuclear weapons development. People may not speak openly on the phone, but they say enough.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/31/2024 @ 8:57 amBack in the day, US security experts said “backdoors are open to anyone.” Homeland Security said “Not to worry, we know what we’re doing!” The security experts laughed and said, “OMG are you stupid.” The rest is unsurprising.
Trump should ream Homeland Security and the NSA over this. But he won’t.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/31/2024 @ 9:01 am167.
I made a song, or rather parody type lyrics, about that:
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 12/31/2024 @ 9:35 amYes, Williamson is on a roll (title and subhead: Jimmy Carter Was No Saint, His reputation will age like Billy Beer, not Bordeaux).
That was the Jimmy Carter I remembered, and I’m a decade older than Williamson. His two best moves were conservative, hiring Volker and starting the deregulation push, practically out of necessity.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 12/31/2024 @ 9:38 amAnd he did manage the Camp David accords, still going strong 45 years later. Credit where due, but that doesn’t get him off the hook for his incompetence and poor leadership and poor judgment as POTUS.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 12/31/2024 @ 9:43 amWe’ll see; hopefully the arguments will be broadcast live. The Roberts Court has a strong pro-free speech jurisprudence, as demonstrated during last year’s term.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 12/31/2024 @ 10:02 amI can see the Court striking down the TikTok ban on the basis of it being poorly tailored to the problem. 1A isn’t absolute, but any conflict has to be as narrowly-tailored as possible. Trump’s brief suggests that something short of a ban could work, and that may be influential.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/31/2024 @ 10:20 am2024 had such great promise. *Sigh*
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/31/2024 @ 10:24 amit was Carter who appointed Paul Volcker
I’m sure he was upset with what he got.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/31/2024 @ 10:24 amSammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 12/31/2024 @ 9:35 am
Don’t give up your day job.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/31/2024 @ 10:26 amhttps://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-moving-ban-oil-gas-leases-20-years-nevada-region-just-weeks-before-trump-inauguration?intcmp=tw_fnc
Whoever is pushing Biden around is still trying to destroy our nation all the way till Jan 20th.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 12/31/2024 @ 10:42 amTrump will just rescind that. It’s posturing.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/31/2024 @ 11:20 amI wasn’t. It was tough medicine, but was necessary for long-term economic growth.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 12/31/2024 @ 11:25 amTrump is whistling in the wind if he thinks he can negotiate a “deal.” That presupposes the Chinese government wouldn’t block a sale, which is the opposite of what the Chinese government has said all along. It’s really no different than the US blocking the sale of US Steel to Nippon Steel in the name of national security.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 12/31/2024 @ 11:32 amJoe Biden claimed he was the first “national figure” to endorse Jimmy Carter for president when he first ran for president.
It seems he was close to him later during his term
https://www.npr.org/2024/12/30/1161050106/jimmy-carter-biden-relationship
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 12/31/2024 @ 11:34 amCarter got exactly what he wanted when he appointed Volcker (he actually had to create a vacancy by appointing G. William Miller to be Secretary of the Treasury) and it didn’t work. Volcker had to give up and stop raising interest rates. In the meantime, Carter lost the election (although there were other reasons too)
Inflation later receded because of aa drop in oil pirces,
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 12/31/2024 @ 11:39 amInflation later receded because of a drop in oil prices,
Somehow it’s always “just happened” when it comes to Reagan.
Inflation moderated, and stayed moderated, for nearly 40 years. That requires a fundamental change, not some event. Oil prices were not the problem that caused inflation — the massive “guns & butter” spending during the Vietnam war era was.
Volker changed US monetary policy to focus on the money supply and, keeping that within bounds kept inflation within bounds. Only when fiscal policy overrode the Fed, by the government giving money away hand over fist, did things get out of hand.
The Fed’s response jacking up interest rates in 2022-23 was a Volker-style fallback.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/31/2024 @ 11:56 amJoe Biden claimed he was the first “national figure” to endorse Jimmy Carter for president when he first ran for president.
Joe Biden was Jimmy Carter’s second term.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/31/2024 @ 11:58 amRe the Huskies-Cardinals 1st half.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 12/31/2024 @ 12:56 pmOur Husky QB threw three TD passes. Unfortunately, one of them was to Louisville for a pick six.
Husky special teams couldn’t make tackles, giving Louisville good field position.
The Husky D couldn’t wrap up and make tackles or pressure the QB.
We’re lucky to be tied, 21-21.
Giles Jackson is Husky MVP so far, for catching two long TD passes and making a key block on a TD run by QB Williams.
The Left can’t get their 2024 regrets in alignment:
1. Biden regrets he got out of the race, and he regrets that his top prosecutor couldn’t get his opponent in prison. Because he would’ve had much better odds if his opponent was in an orange jump suit.
2. The leftist media regrets lying about Biden’s fitness, but not because it was a lie. They regret lying only because it hurt the Democrats. If they had told the truth, the Democrats could’ve booted Biden earlier and settled on a better candidate. They thought lying was the better journalistic option at the time, but it just didn’t work out.
lloyd (bb0ead) — 12/31/2024 @ 12:59 pm@192 and you complain about trump saying he won in 2020. Connolly’s son admitted his fathers trip to saudi arabia in 1980 and his meeting with bill casey on his return. Intercept lists world leaders who knew of reagan’s treason and sedition. So did the NYT 3/13/ 2023 Like trump says who you going to believe me are your lying eyes like congolissa rice said who could think someone would crash airplane into building at hearing then shown picture of her walking past anti aircraft missle battery ready to shoot down any plane trying to crash building she was in milan italy one month before 9-11.
asset (ebfec7) — 12/31/2024 @ 1:20 pm@215 corporate establishment liberal democrats and media not the left. When the left takes over the democrat party you will know the difference. Bernie and squad only supported biden so liberals couldn’t blame the left for their defeat. (they did anyway!) Donors told harris liz cheney ok to run with Bernie Sanders not ok. Transexuals ok 15 dollar minimum wage not ok.
asset (ebfec7) — 12/31/2024 @ 1:28 pmReagan’s message to Iran was this: “If you are still holding hostages when I take the oath, you’ll regret it.”
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/31/2024 @ 1:32 pm@217 When Biden commuted the death sentences of child murders, cop killers and rapists, he was following the hard Left’s long standing tradition of shafting victims of crime.
The latest example:
lloyd (bb0ead) — 12/31/2024 @ 1:39 pmWoke Portland DA will try to free wave of violent criminals from jail after being booted from office
I’d list (again) the various debunkings of the Reagan-Iran conspiracy, but — even with copious links — I very much doubt your mind has changed on anything since 1966.
But here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_October_Surprise_theory#Investigations
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/31/2024 @ 1:41 pmIf all you had to go by was the media’s reaction to Carter’s passing versus Reagan’s, a viewer would think Carter was one of the greatest presidents and Reagan was one of the worst.
lloyd (75323d) — 12/31/2024 @ 1:43 pmWhen the left takes over the democrat party you will know the difference.
Sure. First up they will change the national anthem to “The Internationale” (in Russian).
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/31/2024 @ 1:43 pmIf all you had to go by was the media’s reaction to Carter’s passing versus Reagan’s, a viewer would think Carter was one of the greatest presidents and Reagan was one of the worst.
Actually, at the time, most of the media was falling all over themselves to praise Reagan. I remember an embarrassing interview with Gorbachev, where the interviewer kept asking how it felt to lose the Cold War.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/31/2024 @ 1:44 pm@223 My recollection is that it was largely “screwed poor people with his economic policies, plus Iran Contra, but yeah he ended the Cold War so there’s that.”
lloyd (bb0ead) — 12/31/2024 @ 1:49 pmWell, you must have been watching MSNBC. There were a few people going on about Iran-Contra, but most people didn’t (as in the real world).
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/31/2024 @ 3:21 pmSocialism is one of those frauds that only smart people can believe. Mostly because they are sure that their services will be needed to run things, although Stalin generally dispensed with them.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/31/2024 @ 3:23 pmThe Huskies never gave up, Paul. Tough loss.
I agree DeBoer did Washington no favors in the way he left, but it hasn’t paid off for Alabama, either (yet).
DRJ (353bea) — 12/31/2024 @ 3:30 pmTrue that.
At the time of his death Reagan was the oldest former President (93).
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 12/31/2024 @ 3:37 pm@225 “Well, you must have been watching MSNBC”
Or, reading the newspaper of record:
As I recall, that was fairly typical of what the networks rolled out for Reagan.
lloyd (bb0ead) — 12/31/2024 @ 4:13 pmI’m glad they made it a game, DRJ, and it was actually a pretty good one in the end.
I thought Fisch made the right call to go for the two-point conversion, and I saw some promise in our players.
I’m not sure which is the worse scandal, that Hunter traded in on his dad’s name to “work” for Burisma, or whether Steve Belichick traded in on his dad’s name to be our defensive coach.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 12/31/2024 @ 5:21 pmlloyd,
Sure, but let’s look at that article as a whole.
paragraph by paragraph.
1, Reagan, the oldest man to enter the white house, who had a youthful optimism rooted in the past, has died.
2, Reagan had held out hte promise of a return to greatness in a dark time.
3, Reagen lived longer than any other president, and in his late years he had alzheimers
4, When he told the country he had alzheimers, he touched the hearts of Americans
5, he died with his wife and children by his side
6, President Bush called him a great American
7, Bush said other good things about him
8, when he first came to office, Reagan was a vigorous 69-year old who promised a new morning in America
9, he projected the optimism of FDR, the faith in small otwn America of Ike, and the vigor of JFK; he restored America’s faith in itself
10, late in 1986, his administration had a scandal involving a hostage crisis and Iran
11, contrary to official policy, [description of iran-contra]
12, this invited comparisons to watergate [and otherwise weakened his administration]
13, but before that, he was really popular, and he used that popularity and skill to great effect, including setting the stage for a new relationship with the USSR
14, Reagan lucked out that the USSR was undergoing great change, which then collapsed. his supporters say his policies caused the collapse, his detractors disagree.
15, he challenged Gorbachev to tear down the war
16, presidential historian beschloss thinks the cold war ended faster because of Reagan
17, explanation of tha theory
18, more explanation of that theory
19, Reagan climbed back from iran-contra successfully
20, his time in public life ended when he announced he had alzheimers
21, his wife became an advocate for stem cell research
22, something his wife said about alzheimers a month ago
23, he was great at communicating and making americans feel good about themselves
24, it was a paradox that the man who campaigned against government is the main who restored popular faith in the presidency and government
25, [the paragraph you quoted] …
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so in the first 25 paragraphs, if the paragraph you quoted was negative, the only other part which seems negative is the description of iran-contra, and most of the first 24 paragraphs are glowing hagiography.
meanwhile, the opening paragraphs of the same paper’s obit of carter *also* read like glowing hagiography, but para 13 talks about how his presidency was remembered for his failures, para 15 compares the ills of the biden administration with the ills of the carter administration, para 16 talks about trump, para 17 contains the sarcastic “He was a man of the people, or so he wanted to be percieved”, para 19 says “his four-year tenure was a story of distraction, disappointment, and serial drama”, para 20 talks about him undermining his ambitions through stubbornness and insufficient attention to the needs of others.
so in my view both start off as hagiographies, both turn critical deep in the article after most people have stopped reading, and on balance the paper was more positive about reagan than it was about carter.
but the first two — hagiographic beginning and critical middle — are what i expect from basically any obituary.
aphrael (dbf41f) — 12/31/2024 @ 6:03 pm142: Asset, spare me the tale of Nixon holding up a peace accord.
The S Viets needed no urging to delay peace, pending Nixon in the White House. They knew that LBJ was weak, worried about his “Great Society spendathon, his cabinet mushy and undecided, and anxious to cut a deal, any deal, to keep Nixon out of the White House.
LBJ and HHHH’s desire for a peace accord was so obvious, it could be detected on the moon. It was apparent to the North Viets, who knew they could squeeze LBJ like an over ripe melon, but not Nixon.
Nixon despite a lapse or two, was a terrific president for the time.
Harcourt Fenton Mudd (d68215) — 12/31/2024 @ 6:10 pm221: he was the only president to survive a rabbit attack, so there’s that.
Harcourt Fenton Mudd (d68215) — 12/31/2024 @ 6:12 pmMy biggest problems with Carter were his behavior after he left office when he inserted himself into foreign affairs. When he lobbied foreign governments to oppose the USA on Kuwait in 1991, or when he pretended to solve the North Korean nuclear crisis in 1994 (resulting in blocking Western action to stop the ongoing nuclear development there) he demonstrated unbelievable arrogance and a refusal to accept that the country had chosen other leaders. Then there is his constant antisemitism, but at least his power to affect Israel was minimal at best.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/31/2024 @ 7:07 pm@218 yeah right john connolly’s trip to saudi arabia to talk to iranians to hold hostages had nothing to do with his meeting with bill casey at the airport was just saying high there! The rest of Iran/contra drug dealing treason was just a coincidence and reagan saying I didn’t believe I committed treason with Iran ;but they tell me I did!
asset (33a565) — 12/31/2024 @ 8:21 pm@220 first they didn’t have all the facts like john connolly’s treason confirmed by ben barnes in 2023 and admitted by connolly’s son who was on the trip and airport meeting with bill casey. second the establishment corporate deep state fears the left and protected the gop until trump.
asset (33a565) — 12/31/2024 @ 8:31 pmBush’s oct.1980 trip to paris and his alibi. Secret service logs needs to be released and his alibi named and place where they were. Madrid july and august meetings between Iran and bill casey’s go betweens and london alibi. Far more evidence of bill casey’s treason has come out since the 1992 congressional investigation including evidence deliberately kept from them. Ben Barnes did not testify and they didn’t know about john connolly’s trip in 1992. The fbi and cia have a long history of lying and destroying evidence like oswald’s note to the dallas office f.b.i. and removed fbi agent name from oswald’s address book.
asset (33a565) — 12/31/2024 @ 11:52 pmSo, everyone who has looked at these allegations, including left-wing publications like the Village Voice and New Republic, have concluded that it’s all a bunch of crap told by crapweasels. But asset knows the real story because it’s what he wants to believe.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 1/1/2025 @ 7:29 amTen dead in New Orleans. Suspect dead but not yet identified.
lloyd (bb0ead) — 1/1/2025 @ 7:31 amMass Casualty Terrorist Attack in New Orleans:
Rip Murdock (ed0f1e) — 1/1/2025 @ 7:35 amThere’s only two possibilities:
1. Musk/Trump fan motivated by hateful MAGA rhetoric
2. Some random crazy dude
lloyd (bb0ead) — 1/1/2025 @ 7:46 amJimmy Carter and Hamas…
2009 was two years after Hamas’ forcible takeover of the strip.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 1/1/2025 @ 7:52 amTwo easy predictions: 1. Mitch McConnell will continue to defeat the Loser in most of their Senate battles. (At least 90 percent.)
2. Thanks to the Supreme Court, our civil rights laws will continue to be restored. (At least 90 percent.)
I expect resistance to that continuing restoration will be fiercest at prestigious universities.
Jim Miller (759471) — 1/1/2025 @ 8:02 amJim, the Loser leaves office in 19 days. I don’t think Mitch need be concerned.
lloyd (bb0ead) — 1/1/2025 @ 8:08 amThere’s only two possibilities
“Guns and a pickup” suggests he’s not a Bernie Bro.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 1/1/2025 @ 8:10 amI read it was an EV pickup.
lloyd (75323d) — 1/1/2025 @ 8:13 am@245 There a leaks stating that he recently “crossed” the border.
whembly (003ea2) — 1/1/2025 @ 8:14 amI read it was an EV pickup.
Now, that would be a horse of a different color, but still, it’s not a plug-in Prius or a SMART car.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 1/1/2025 @ 8:30 amOne report said that there appeared to be some sort of flag or banner attached to a pole on the hitch.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 1/1/2025 @ 8:31 amThere a leaks stating that he recently “crossed” the border.
Another report said he used an “assault rifle” and as we know those are illegal in Mexico.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 1/1/2025 @ 8:33 amFord F-150 Lightning
Kevin M (a9545f) — 1/1/2025 @ 8:35 amOK, so maybe it’s trending toward “Some random crazy dude.” /s
lloyd (bb0ead) — 1/1/2025 @ 9:11 amThis one appears to be militant Islamist terrorism…
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 1/1/2025 @ 9:16 amIf only Trump hadn’t opposed the border bill last year, this guy would’ve been caught.
lloyd (bb0ead) — 1/1/2025 @ 9:22 amMore…
Militant Islamism can’t be ruled out.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 1/1/2025 @ 9:24 amCross out Eagle Pass…
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 1/1/2025 @ 9:39 amThe Deloitte Terrorist…
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 1/1/2025 @ 9:49 amAs they say, presume everything Trump says is false until proven true.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 1/1/2025 @ 10:29 amYo:
whembly (003ea2) — 1/1/2025 @ 10:35 amhttps://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/new-orleans-mass-casualty-bourbon-street-01-01-25-hnk/index.html
Clearly a terrorist attack…
This must be one of those Army extremists that Mark Miley warned us about.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 1/1/2025 @ 11:27 amAs they say, presume everything Trump says is false until proven true.
It’s possible that Trump was briefed by people who had bad info.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 1/1/2025 @ 11:29 amThen there is this, which seems harder to explain:
Kevin M (a9545f) — 1/1/2025 @ 11:37 amAt least it was a Cybertruck, so nothing worth anything was damaged.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 1/1/2025 @ 11:38 amLOL! Assumes facts not in evidence, and wouldn’t matter anyway. His post was vintage Trump.
Rip Murdock (ed0f1e) — 1/1/2025 @ 12:27 pmLOL! Assumes facts not in evidence
“It’s possible” assumes nothing. So, it is your statement that assumes facts not in evidence.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 1/1/2025 @ 12:35 pmRetry
LOL! Assumes facts not in evidence
“It’s possible” assumes nothing. So, it is your statement that assumes facts not in evidence.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 1/1/2025 @ 12:36 pmExcept for the one person who died and seven injured.
Rip Murdock (81dac8) — 1/1/2025 @ 1:11 pmLi-ion batteries have an enormous amount of energy in them. Kind of like a gas tank, unsurprisingly. Not sure what would cause one to “explode” though. They can catch fire, but what are the odds it would be right in front of the Trump hotel? And a Tesla? You have to really believe in coincidence.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 1/1/2025 @ 1:25 pmThe Cybertruck is probably uglier than the Pontiac Aztek, which was uniquely ugly.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 1/1/2025 @ 1:28 pm@238 thats before connolly treason with bill casey was known was known.
asset (c26820) — 1/1/2025 @ 1:32 pmClearly not a “battery fire” (CCTV video)
Kevin M (a9545f) — 1/1/2025 @ 1:34 pm> as they say, presume everything Trump says is false until proven true.
wierdly for someone as anti-trump as i am, i’m not willing to do that. i assume that trump is *indifferent* to the truth or falsehood of a statement, meaning i can infer nothing about a statement’s truth value from the fact that he uttered it.
aphrael (dbf41f) — 1/1/2025 @ 1:49 pmAn expensive bomb.
Rip Murdock (ed0f1e) — 1/1/2025 @ 1:53 pmi can infer nothing about a statement’s truth value from the fact that he uttered it.
This is actually worse.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 1/1/2025 @ 2:04 pmWell, THAT was an interesting turn of events.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 1/1/2025 @ 2:16 pmABC News is now reporting 15 dead in New Orleans.
Rip Murdock (ed0f1e) — 1/1/2025 @ 2:17 pmThese were organized events with multiple people involved. We need to find the group (and nations) that planned and supported it.
DRJ (7c3759) — 1/1/2025 @ 2:28 pmThe Vegas explosion is being reported as caysed by firework-style mortars. Not sure what that means but not an accident.
DRJ (7c3759) — 1/1/2025 @ 2:29 pmOr the attacks could be “organized” on an ad hoc basis through chat rooms, without outside groups or countries involved. Information on making pipe bombs is available on the internet, and fireworks are easily purchased in Mexico.
We shall see.
Rip Murdock (81dac8) — 1/1/2025 @ 2:47 pmThe NO terrorist was a convert to Islam…
Any party contributed to his radicalization should be held accountable. The War Against Militant Islamism ain’t over.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 1/1/2025 @ 3:22 pmfireworks are easily purchased in Mexico.
Fireworks are easily purchased online.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 1/1/2025 @ 3:32 pmIf he was “radicalized”, it was probably by viewing online videos. Good luck holding anyone accountable.
Rip Murdock (ed0f1e) — 1/1/2025 @ 4:03 pmThe NO attack actually happened but there were four previous attempted terrorist attacks since last October that were nipped in the bud…
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 1/1/2025 @ 4:23 pmThis video always makes me laugh. Handled it perfectly given the absurdity-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU0RaRvJ0PQ
steveg (82e70e) — 1/1/2025 @ 4:26 pmUnfortunately that occurred after the fact
Rip Murdock (ed0f1e) — 1/1/2025 @ 4:29 pm.
Surveillance video of the NO terrorist. The red-headed gal at the end barely made it.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 1/1/2025 @ 5:05 pmLas Vegas take-away: Don’t use a Cybertruck for a truck bomb.
https://x.com/i/status/1874610639823335781
The truckbed mostly survived the explosion, with the force of the blast forced upwards. The blast didn’t even break the hotel’s front windows.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 1/1/2025 @ 6:09 pm@284 Nipped in the bud? I don’t think so.
Abdallahi and Jabbar were both able to commit their attacks.
Abdallahi was “encountered” by border patrol in 2023 and apparently was a Biden catch and release.
Tawhedi was in the US on a Special Immigrants Visa. He somehow passed background checks.
Abdullah Ezzeldin Taha Mohamed Hassan had a student visa and was on FBI’s radar after posting terroristic content on social media two years ago. Yet his visa was somehow never revoked.
These are counter terrorism failures.
lloyd (675426) — 1/1/2025 @ 6:58 pmLuckily the government is recording every last text and phone call, along with the location of every cell phone. It didn’t do any good stopping these guys, but at least the Chinese have all of that info at hand.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 1/1/2025 @ 8:15 pmNatasha Bertrand…
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 1/2/2025 @ 7:45 am@291 They’re digging up anti-Trump posts his wife put out. It won’t matter. He could’ve written a million anti-Trump tweets and threatened violence against MAGA — he’ll just be “Some random crazy dude.” A crazy dude we had serve in our special forces and gave weapons training to.
lloyd (28543d) — 1/2/2025 @ 7:59 amNot saying there’s a connection, but both “random crazy dudes” used Turo and apparently served at the same base for a time.
(BTW, just learned that Fort Bragg is now called Fort Liberty. Shows you what our military has been laser focused on.)
lloyd (28543d) — 1/2/2025 @ 8:06 amWhy should an american military base be named after a traitorous confederate general?
Davethulhu (14e9e4) — 1/2/2025 @ 8:22 am@294
Mebbe pick up some history books?
In short, soldiers on both sides sought to reconcile with former enemies by recognizing and commemorating their shared sacrifice. Hence why confederate recognition in bases, statues, parks, etc… are a thing.
whembly (477db6) — 1/2/2025 @ 8:41 amThat’s why they were a thing a hundred and fifty years ago.
Do they need to be a thing *today*?
aphrael (dbf41f) — 1/2/2025 @ 8:47 amI dunno. Wasting time and effort debating this is a great way to prove my point.
lloyd (ce19b2) — 1/2/2025 @ 9:01 am@296
Yes.
History *is* important, even today.
Probably *the* most traumatic event in our nation’s history and *how* we got together is important.
whembly (477db6) — 1/2/2025 @ 9:06 amBetter start bombing Kabul, Riyadh, Mecca, and Medina.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 1/2/2025 @ 9:24 am> Probably *the* most traumatic event in our nation’s history and *how* we got together is important.
Does it matter that the descendants of the enslaved largely view memorials dedicated to Confederates as a slap in the face and a public statement that they matter less than those who weren’t enslaved, because the country continues to *celebrate* the people that enslaved their ancestors?
aphrael (dbf41f) — 1/2/2025 @ 9:30 amChange the name to Camp Nat Turner?
Kevin M (a9545f) — 1/2/2025 @ 9:31 amHere’s a good year-end assessment of Putin’s Quagmire. Hertling…
Ponomarenko…
And now Putin will be relying on Trump to help conquer a neighboring country he had no right ever to invade.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 1/2/2025 @ 9:34 am@300
No.
For the love of god, pick up a damn history book for once, instead of peddling nonsense.
whembly (477db6) — 1/2/2025 @ 9:56 am@302
It’s early, but quite possibly the silliest take so far this year…
whembly (477db6) — 1/2/2025 @ 9:58 amBullsh-t.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 1/2/2025 @ 10:09 am#303
Braxton Bragg was a lousy general who lost the battle of Chickamagua. He was a favorite of Jeff Davis for some reason. There was an argument for not changing the name based on consistency — Fort Bragg was famous for being what it was and not for honoring a long forgotten general. However, now the change is made, why change it back? It’s a time waster and very confusing.
Whembly, maybe you can do with a breeze through the history book. Fort Lee, Fort Jackson makes sense. Bragg was the bottom of the Confederate General barrel.
Appalled (482163) — 1/2/2025 @ 10:39 amCivil War history is one of my favorite history subjects.
There is a point as to WHY there are things named after the confederates.
Find the answer to this “why”…
whembly (477db6) — 1/2/2025 @ 11:55 am@306 AFAIK nobody is arguing to change it back. Yes, that would be a time waster and very confusing. But, those arguments didn’t hold water when the names were changed.
I don’t pretend to know whether the descendants of slaves are really worked up about the names. But, seems like we have some descendants commenting here today so I defer to them.
lloyd (20e3ad) — 1/2/2025 @ 12:15 pmLiberal White Woman Really Hoping A Black Shows Up To Her Kwanzaa Party This Year.
lloyd (f79527) — 1/2/2025 @ 12:17 pmProbably a meaningless silver lining, but seems terrorists have given up on using planes.
lloyd (f79527) — 1/2/2025 @ 12:19 pm@302: “A Short Victorious War”
Kevin M (a9545f) — 1/2/2025 @ 12:22 pmFor the love of god, pick up a damn history book for once, instead of peddling nonsense.
Pick up book on the history and practice of American chattel slavery and you might get a feeling for why ANY honoring of the Confederate ruling class is so offensive.
All these honorees should have been hanged, if not drawn and quartered. Andrew Johnson along with them.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 1/2/2025 @ 12:27 pmThe investigation is in great hands, folks.
Internet sleuths notice change in FBI special agent’s face after she ‘broke Bureau rule’ at New Orleans press conference
lloyd (f79527) — 1/2/2025 @ 12:30 pmAnd why no bases named after Grant, Sherman, Burnside, etc, or political leaders like Thaddeus Stevens? Only Meade and Dix got that kind of recognition. To say that this renaming ignores history forgets that the original naming did so, too.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 1/2/2025 @ 12:32 pmFor helping Kamala lose votes, Liz is awarded top civilian award by the Loser.
For for being a 2016 election denier, Bennie Thompson gets the same honor.
lloyd (f79527) — 1/2/2025 @ 12:35 pmThere will be a Fort Livelsberger in the next Democrat administration.
lloyd (f79527) — 1/2/2025 @ 12:39 pm@312
Another one who really hasn’t taken the time to read up on our history.
(don’t misuderstand me, I’m not advocating that we’d honor the actions of the confederacy. I’m beseeching you to find out WHY the US chose reconciliation. How do you get a country to move on from being mortal enemies 5 minutes ago?)
whembly (477db6) — 1/2/2025 @ 12:48 pm@301 Or Capt. John Brown.
asset (263a01) — 1/2/2025 @ 1:20 pmThe bases were named for Confederate generals decades after the Civil War, and had nothing to do with post-war reconciliation but more with the Lost Cause.
See also here for the US Army Center of Military History overview on the naming of Army posts.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 1/2/2025 @ 2:11 pmIt’s been 160 years. It’s more than time to rip the bandaid off. It should’ve been done at least 100 years ago and people would be over it by now. Since it wasn’t, no time like the present to move past honoring those traitorous generals (probably should never have honored them at all and drained the festering wound in the confederated south more quickly. Yes, it might’ve caused a slower reconciliation at the time, but also might’ve prevented a century of jim crow and certainly not been a controversy now.).
Nic (120c94) — 1/2/2025 @ 2:14 pmwhembly,
See @314. If you can’t answer that, then stfu about “history.”
Besides, it wasn’t about “history” anyway. Fort Bragg was created during Woodrow Wilson’s term. Wilson resegregated the US government and supported the resurgent Klan. “Birth of a Nation” etc. Southern “scholars” of that era were attempting to paint Grant as a corrupt looter of Southern wealth and the Union and “Black” Republicans as the evil side in the civil war.
“Fort Bragg” was just part of that effort.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 1/2/2025 @ 2:22 pmNet neutrality is dead.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 1/2/2025 @ 2:34 pmChange your name from Bradley to Chelsea, and you become a female. Change a base name from Bragg to Liberty, and you rip the bandaid off and end Jim Crow.
lloyd (f79527) — 1/2/2025 @ 3:06 pmIn a not entirely serious mood, I once suggested that Braxton Bragg — however unintentionally — did more for the Union than the Confederacy.
Jim Miller (39f706) — 1/2/2025 @ 3:44 pm@lloyd@323 If you can’t actually make a point, you don’t have to attempt it. Probably no one is making you try and fail at it. You can just… not.
Nic (120c94) — 1/2/2025 @ 3:52 pmIt was actually called the “European War” and so in the Encyclopedia Americana until at least 1952, and indexed in the Reader’s Guide to Periodical Literature as the European War until 1976! I checked when it changed.
You could also check the New York Times Index.
I had assumed it was called the Great War because in a 1931 math textbook which my elementary school replaced in 1963 it was called that. But I didn’t see anyone else indicating that between World War I and World War II it was called the Great War till many years later.
I think it was called the European War or the World War.
I saw in, I think, an article in the American Mercury that said something like “will soon be called World War II.” this was in abound periodicaal from no earlier than 1938
The current war between Israel and several enemies has as yet no name.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 1/2/2025 @ 3:53 pmKevin M (a9545f) — 1/2/2025 @ 12:32 pm
Probably too many (white) Southerners in the army.
Nobody else cared about base names.
After I guess about 1950 (or maybe that’s earlier or later) nobody much knew who or what these bases were named after.
In the Bronx there was a Sherman Avenue, a Grant Avenue. Also Sheridan Avenue. And a Burnside Avenue running crosstown. All it meant to me was that maybe a side of the street had a big fire. It sounded like that, but couldn’t mean that, as the street had to have its name before a fire would have destroyed stores. (and you wouldn’t rename a street after that. No other streets commemorated bad events that happened there.)
There’s another place in New York State that has a Burnside Avenue. Zip code 110xx I think. And there are others.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 1/2/2025 @ 4:03 pmBig election tomorrow:
Which most likely will not have a winner, tomorrow.
Jim Miller (39f706) — 1/2/2025 @ 4:13 pmlloyd (28543d) — 1/2/2025 @ 8:06 am
Both crazy dudes wanted to commit suicide or had reconciled themselves to dying. Crazy dude number one initially wanted to kill his family, but had a dream in which he convinced himself he should align himself with ISIS instead.
Crazy dude number 2 shot himself before the explosion. Neither knew how to build explosives – when someone tries that it either explodes in the process of building a bomb o turns out to be a relative dud. They erred on the side of safety.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 1/2/2025 @ 4:27 pm330. This leaves the following possibilities:
1) The Speaker will be chosen after a number of ballots but by January 6
2) The certification will not take place by Jan 6 but will by January 20
3) The House will elect a temporary Speaker
4) Some Republicans anxious to get Trump into office will make a deal with the Democrats
5) Senate president pro tem Chuck Grassley will become Acting president January 20
6) The Senate will replace Grassley with JD Vance before January 20 so he can become Acting President.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 1/2/2025 @ 4:32 pmNew Orleans officials decided to replace the bollards.
Kind of the mistake Ronald Reagan let the military make in Beirut in 1983 (They noticed a defect in protection and planned to correct it over an extended period of time)
They took them down in November and evidently wanted anti-car-ramming technology up by the time of the Superbowl.
Missing the fact that New Years’ Eve on Bourbon Street was also a significant event.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 1/2/2025 @ 4:34 pmOn a more pleasant note: Today is Science Fiction Day.
Here’s a bit of trivia that shows the importance of science fiction: Both Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos have said they were inspired by Robert Heinlein’s novella, “The Man Who Sold the Moon”
So far, Musk more successfully.
Jim Miller (39f706) — 1/2/2025 @ 4:34 pmWhat was wrong with the bollards? Maybe they couldn’t be taken down to let in an ambulance?
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg70eg97dgo
They blocked the street in the meantime but didn’t anticipate a mad driver might use the sidewalk to get past the temporary barrier.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 1/2/2025 @ 4:35 pm#330 True enough, Sammy.
Jim Miller (39f706) — 1/2/2025 @ 4:36 pmhttps://www.usatoday.com/story/graphics/2025/01/02/new-orleans-attack-bollards-replaced/77397912007
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 1/2/2025 @ 4:37 pmlloyd (675426) — 1/1/2025 @ 6:58 pm
It seems the real failure was either allowing someone to get his brain damaged by some drugs or allowing ISIS to communicate with people in the army (but they couldn’t train them how to build explosives
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 1/2/2025 @ 4:42 pmThere ought to be a Sherman Beach in Georgia.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 1/2/2025 @ 5:10 pmIndeed. “Reconciliation” ended in the 1800s. There’s since been no place for honoring Confederate combatants defending the keeping of dark-skinned human beings as someone else’s personal property without civil rights.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 1/2/2025 @ 5:49 pmThis uniquely colored and shaped ice storm track is…something to behold.
Paul Montagu (7329e4) — 1/2/2025 @ 5:52 pmRemember when Trump “fell down” in Butler because of “loud noises”?
‘Caught Fire’: Corporate Media Really … Really Didn’t Want To Admit Cybertruck Exploded Outside Trump’s Vegas Hotel
lloyd (e72980) — 1/2/2025 @ 6:46 pmWhite House Insists Jimmy Carter Is Still Sharp And Focused Behind Closed Doors.
lloyd (75323d) — 1/2/2025 @ 7:02 pm333: Sammy: and the admiral at Pearl didn’t anticipate that torpedoes would work in the shallow water at Pearl (the Japanese added wooden fins that solved the problem), allied commanders didn’t think Germans had it in them to mount the Bulge offensive, General Westmoreland didnd’t think the North Viets could mount the tet offensive, …, the US commander in Somolia didn’t think a US helicopter could be shot down, ….the stolid, unimaginative, dullards never disappoint.
Harcourt Fenton Mudd (313a4d) — 1/2/2025 @ 7:51 pm317 and 312: If the confederates had continued to fight; if we had to deal with an ongoing guerilla war, and national divisiveness at a high level, we would have been handicapped in WW I and probably WWII. Reconciliation made perfect sense. It paid off. They should leave those confederate statutes alone. Its history.
Harcourt Fenton Mudd (313a4d) — 1/2/2025 @ 7:55 pm“If the confederates had continued to fight; if we had to deal with an ongoing guerilla war, and national divisiveness at a high level, we would have been handicapped in WW I and probably WWII.”
They did, through the KKK and Jim Crow.
“It paid off. ”
No it didn’t.
Davethulhu (42b569) — 1/2/2025 @ 8:34 pm@344 Its history. The history of oppression. Only oppressors want to remind black people they were once 3/5th of a human being.
asset (f30995) — 1/2/2025 @ 8:36 pmIn a non-confederate post, I don’t get the Trump Tower bomber. He was pro-trump and also supposedly prior special forces. If he had wanted to make a truly destructive truck bomb, he probably had, at least, enough knowledge to know that fireworks and propane tanks wouldn’t do the job.
Davethulhu (42b569) — 1/2/2025 @ 8:38 pm345: Dave I didn’t think anyone here would make such a facile response, but I should have guessed that someone would have felt compelled to ignore the obvious.
Try to grasp what it would have meant to have ongoing military raids on US facilities in the South; in harbors; on rivers; fueled by bitterness and the encouragement of Robert E. Lee, if he had not folded his cards and had encouraged resistance. Imagine the need to leave a garrison there decades after the war. With deaths adding up like the US military encountered in Vietnam from guerilla fighters. I doubt that you were alive in the 60’s and 70’s and you may not remember that, but many do.
What that would have meant in WWI, to Mexico, that maybe joining up with Germany and the ongoing renegade South might have been a good opportunity to regain lost land; And go forward 20 years and play that out again.
It was good that the South called it quits. It is foolish to treat them shabbily.
Harcourt Fenton Mudd (313a4d) — 1/2/2025 @ 8:58 pm346: and you remember right, why the 3/5th rule was used?
Harcourt Fenton Mudd (313a4d) — 1/2/2025 @ 8:59 pm“Try to grasp what it would have meant to have ongoing military raids on US facilities in the South; in harbors; on rivers; fueled by bitterness and the encouragement of Robert E. Lee, if he had not folded his cards and had encouraged resistance. Imagine the need to leave a garrison there decades after the war. With deaths adding up like the US military encountered in Vietnam from guerilla fighters. I doubt that you were alive in the 60’s and 70’s and you may not remember that, but many do. ”
I think you’d have a difficult time convincing the black southern population that they were better off with the confederates still in power.
“It is foolish to treat them shabbily.”
They treated their fellow americans extremely shabbily, both before and after the war, and were never brought to task for it.
Davethulhu (42b569) — 1/2/2025 @ 9:53 pmHere’s a bit of trivia that shows the importance of science fiction: Both Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos have said they were inspired by Robert Heinlein’s novella, “The Man Who Sold the Moon”
Hopefully Musk won’t offer to plaster “Coca-Cola” across the face of the moon as H.H. Harriman did to raise money from Coke.
Two other books that Musk has mentioned:
“Red Mars” by Kim Stanley Robinson, contains a nuts & bolts description of how to colonize Mars.
The “Culture” Series by the late Iain M Banks, in this instance notable for the naming of ships, such as “Just Read The Instructions” and “Of Course I Still Love You”
Musk has also refered to himself as “Hugo Drax.”
Kevin M (a9545f) — 1/2/2025 @ 10:25 pmlloyd (e72980) — 1/2/2025 @ 6:46 pm
Musk’s obvious concern was that 1) people would think that Teslas could spontaneously explode, and 2) that government regulators might think so. They can’t.
If impacted just wrong, an electric battery can catch fire and there is a LOT of energy in those batteries. They are unlikely to actually “explode”, unlike a conventional gas tank, but the fire can be pretty fierce.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 1/2/2025 @ 10:30 pmOnly oppressors want to remind black people they were once 3/5th of a human being.
The only people who wanted slaves counted as a full person were the slave-owners. You don’t think the slaves got to cast 3/5ths of a vote, do you?
Kevin M (a9545f) — 1/2/2025 @ 10:33 pm“If the confederates had continued to fight; if we had to deal with an ongoing guerilla war, and national divisiveness at a high level, we would have been handicapped in WW I and probably WWII.”
If pigs had wings.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 1/2/2025 @ 10:39 pmDavethulhu (42b569) — 1/2/2025 @ 8:38 pm
He was pro-Trump at one time. The Tesla is one oddity. His relationship ending was another.
The NY Post says
Kevin M (a9545f) — 1/2/2025 @ 10:43 pm@353 the slave states demanded the 2nd amendment so their slave patrols couldn’t be disarmed. The 3/5 person was instituted so the slave states would have more votes in congress. Even today the vestiges of institutional racism continues including preventing as many black people from voting as possible. Though with more black and latinx men voting for trump they try to find better ways to keep women from voting.
asset (f30995) — 1/2/2025 @ 11:32 pmThere is a difference between having allowed the confederate citizens to return to full US citizenship and lauding their traitorous generals, especially 160 years later. The Cause was not honorable.
Nic (120c94) — 1/3/2025 @ 1:36 am356: The 3/5 was a compromise between the North and South to prevent the South from controlling congress forever, and was among the first of Nothern efforts to rein in the South. Followed by a demand for parity in the admission of states, and ultimately leading to the election of Lincoln.
The idea that the North should have fractured America by insisting on the end of slavery then and there, to the benefit of the British and other European powers, is sheer utopianism. It would have only assured the survival of slavery in a separate south much longer than it did.
Harcourt Fenton Mudd (a2788e) — 1/3/2025 @ 7:29 am354: Kevin: You sound just like US military leaders who assured LBJ, up and down and 24/7, that north viet soldiers dressed in pajamas were no threat to the US military.
How did that view of the opponent as “if pigs had wings” turn out?
Harcourt Fenton Mudd (a2788e) — 1/3/2025 @ 7:32 amhe 3/5 person was instituted so the slave states would have more votes in congress
So, 3/5ths was too much? Or too little? The slave owners wanted slaves counted as a whole person, even though they would never vote. The New Englanders wanted slaves not counted at all.
What is galling to most of us is that you throw the 3/5th thing out as “disrespecting the value of the slaves as persons” when that had nothing at all to do with it.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 1/3/2025 @ 9:45 amWere Andrew Johnson not a effing traitor himself, the Klan members who where caught would not have been arrested, they would have been hanged on the spot. By the time 1869 rolled around and Grant was President, the Klan was everywhere and much harsher measures would have been required to put them down.
But still, please explain why allowing Jim Crow in the 1880s was a good thing.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 1/3/2025 @ 9:49 amlauding their traitorous generals
You misspelled “not hanging”
Kevin M (a9545f) — 1/3/2025 @ 9:50 amYou sound just like US military leaders who assured LBJ, up and down and 24/7, that north viet soldiers dressed in pajamas were no threat to the US military.
This, too, is wrong. LBJ knew the war could not be won as far back as 1965. McNamera told him so. Johnson didn’t care what people thought, it was about his dick size.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 1/3/2025 @ 9:51 amFollowed by a demand for parity in the admission of states, and ultimately leading to the election of Lincoln.
What led to Lincoln was the Mexican Cession and the Wilmot Priviso, and the regional fracturing of the Democratic Party that they caused.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 1/3/2025 @ 9:53 am@kevin@362 I would be fine if we had hung them, though I understand why we didn’t. OTOH, I see no reason they should be honored at all.
Nic (120c94) — 1/3/2025 @ 11:09 amKevin M (a9545f) — 1/3/2025 @ 9:49 am
I think when Jim Crow stated was more in the 1890s.
First they effectively deprived African Americans of the right to vote (while somehow in most places, not establishing a dictatorship) then, after white control of state governments in the south (except maybe for North Carolina until 1898) was well established, did they get the idea of racial segregation.
Sammy FInkelman (e4ef09) — 1/3/2025 @ 11:19 amHarcourt Fenton Mudd (313a4d) — 1/2/2025 @ 7:51 pm
What’s really bad is noticing a problem, planning an improvement, and thinking that takes care of it ignoring the fact that it is being implemented at a plodding pace.
In New York they blocked the sidewalk too.
Sammy FInkelman (e4ef09) — 1/3/2025 @ 11:23 amI haven’t read or herd of the dream claim for Crazy Dude number 1, but he did say that he was afraid the news coverage would focus on killing is family and not the war between believers and unbelievers if he also did that.
There is no indication that Crazy dude number 2 was a jihadist. But I haven’t read or heard of any “cause” he had but maybe he did. It has been speculated he wanted to draw more attention to PTSD.. He evidently killed himself before setting off the explosion, which if you say it that way, sounds like it shoudn’t make sense,
Crazy Dude number 1 uploaded 5 videos to Facebook between midnight and 3 am, and said he had joined ISIS before the summer (of 2024)
Both had marital difficulties and could have been wanting to commit suicide.
Sammy FInkelman (e4ef09) — 1/3/2025 @ 11:32 am