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12/11/2024

Trump Believes Members of Jan. 6 Committee Should Be Jailed

Filed under: General — Dana @ 9:03 am



[guest post by Dana]

On Sunday, Donald Trump said in an interview on NBC’s Meet the Press, that members of the Jan. 6 committee should go to jail:

[Liz] “Cheney did something that’s inexcusable, along with Thompson and the people on the un-select committee of political thugs and, you know, creeps,” he said in the interview. “They deleted and destroyed all evidence.”

“And Cheney was behind it. And so was Bennie Thompson and everybody on that committee,” he continued. “For what they did, honestly, they should go to jail.”

However:

Asked if he’d order the FBI or attorney general directly to go after Cheney and others on the committee, Trump claimed, “No, no. Not at all. I think that they’ll have to look at that, but I’m going to focus on ‘drill, baby, drill.”

In response to Trump’s accusations, Cheney laid out the facts in a clear and concise manner:

“Here is the truth: Donald Trump attempted to overturn the 2020 presidential election and seize power. . .He mobilized an angry mob and sent them to the United States Capitol, where they attacked police officers, invaded the building and halted the official counting of electoral votes. Trump watched on television as police officers were brutally beaten and the Capitol was assaulted, refusing for hours to tell the mob to leave…This was the worst breach of our Constitution by any president in our nation’s history. Donald Trump’s suggestion that members of Congress who later investigated his illegal and unconstitutional actions should be jailed is a continuation of his assault on the rule of law and the foundations of our republic.”

Moreover, Cheney pointed out that, contrary to Trump’s claims that evidence was destroyed, the evidence remains online and should be made public:

“Donald Trump knows his claims about the select committee are ridiculous and false, as has been detailed extensively, including by Chairman Thompson,” she said. “There is no conceivably appropriate factual or constitutional basis for what Donald Trump is suggesting — a Justice Department investigation of the work of a congressional committee — and any lawyer who attempts to pursue that course would quickly find themselves engaged in sanctionable conduct.”

“The Justice Department should ensure that all that material is preserved and cannot be destroyed. As much of that information as possible should be disclosed in the special counsel’s upcoming report.”

Clearly, Donald Trump doesn’t shy away from subverting the rule of law when he sees fit. And I don’t think weaponizing the DOJ wouldn’t cause him to bat an eye if he thought it benefitted him. So does he try? (Think Kash Patel and Pam Bondi…) And for that matter, should President Biden go through with issuing blanket pardons for the Jan. 6 committee members, and would Cheney accept a pardon from Biden, when she has done nothing wrong?

You can read the text of Trump’s Meet the Press interview here.

—Dana

63 Responses to “Trump Believes Members of Jan. 6 Committee Should Be Jailed”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (c39a6e) — 12/11/2024 @ 9:04 am

  2. “Evidence is online”
    “Evidence was destroyed”

    Both can be true. Any statement made by Cheney/Schiff is going to be finely shaved, and any statement made by Trump will be shaped with a blunt instrument

    It would not shock me to find that evidence was destroyed. Jan6 investigations, the impeachments, are political. The standards are loose

    steveg (8e06ca) — 12/11/2024 @ 9:22 am

  3. Trump was elected. I hope that it was despite this nonsense, but I’m never sure. The “peaceful transfer of power” means that we have to hand him the keys, even though we have serious doubts about his intentions. This is perhaps more pointed than normally, but there have been occasions where an incoming president was feared by some. What we cannot do is overturn the election ourselves.

    I do hope that God still has a special providence for fools, drunkards, and the United States of America.

    Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/11/2024 @ 9:32 am

  4. And for that matter, should President Biden go through with issuing blanket pardons for the Jan. 6 committee members

    No. That would be destructive of the Rule of Law in itself. It’s also unnecessary. There is no charge that could be brought, given the speech and debate clause.

    Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/11/2024 @ 9:36 am

  5. The members of the January 6th Committee have the Constitution’s Speech and Debate Clause as an absolute defense.

    ……….it is well established that the Clause serves to secure the independence of the federal legislature by providing Members of Congress and their aides with immunity from criminal prosecutions or civil suits that stem from acts taken within the legislative sphere. As succinctly described by the Court, the Clause’s immunity from liability applies even though their conduct, if performed in other than legislative contexts, would in itself be unconstitutional or otherwise contrary to criminal or civil statutes. This general immunity principle forms the core of the protections afforded by the Clause.
    ……….

    Rip Murdock (4aa4a0) — 12/11/2024 @ 9:42 am

  6. I don’t regret protest-voting for Liz Cheney for a minute.

    I hope Biden doesn’t do preemptive or blanket pardons on this matter, because what goes around comes around. He already displayed bad judgment by breaking his “I will not pardon Hunter” promise.

    As I recall, I thought I saw somewhere that Ms. Cheney would refuse a pardon if offered. Good move.

    Paul Montagu (4f7e2a) — 12/11/2024 @ 9:45 am

  7. From United States v. Johnson, 383 U.S. 169 (1966):

    There is little doubt that the instigation of criminal charges against critical or disfavored legislators by the executive in a judicial forum was the chief fear prompting the long struggle for parliamentary privilege in England and, in the context of the American system of separation of powers, is the predominate thrust of the Speech or Debate Clause.

    Rip Murdock (4aa4a0) — 12/11/2024 @ 9:53 am

  8. Mitch McConnell at the Regan Library last weekend. This is not Trump’s favorite Senator.

    Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/11/2024 @ 10:21 am

  9. I don’t think Congress deleting exculpatory documents or defaming Trump in such a way is a chargeable offense due to the Speech and Debate clause.

    The DC judges will laugh at the DOJ and throw out the case.

    whembly (477db6) — 12/11/2024 @ 10:52 am

  10. rump Believes Members of Jan. 6 Committee Should Be Jailed

    No, he doesn’t. He claims to believe that, in an interview full of other lies.

    One good sign: He said he didn’t care and he mentions a specific crime (something that amounts to suborning perjury)

    This was in the context of them needing a pardon from Biden. If Biden gives them a pardon he’s going to say that proves they did a crime.

    Trump said that “honestly” they should go to jail, A person says “honestly” like that when he does not really expect something to happen.

    ….Let me just tell you. They testified. They said it was total bullsxxx. [that he had tried to grab the steering wheel. By the way this proves, because it is true that he wanted to go to the Capitol, that Adam Schiff was wrong in his impeachment case when he said Trump lied to the crowd about going to the Capitol with them, because it is true that he wanted to go the Capitol and MArk Meadows and others conspired to prevent him from going there]

    And all of this stuff came out. [about the supposedly deleted records and Nancy Pelosi turning down an offer of National Guard troops, which is true, because they didn’t trust him and didn’t know what side they would be on – That was all before January 6 though]

    People lied so badly. Now, listen, this was a committee, a big deal. They lied. And what did they do? They deleted and destroyed a whole year and a half worth of testimony. Do you know that I can’t get — [he can’t get testimony in pretrial discovery?]

    I think those people committed a major crime.

    KRISTEN WELKER:

    Sir?

    PRESIDENT-ELECT DONALD TRUMP:

    And Cheney was behind it.

    KRISTEN WELKER:

    Well —

    PRESIDENT-ELECT DONALD TRUMP:

    And so was Bennie Thompson and everybody on that committee.

    KRISTEN WELKER:

    We’re going to —

    PRESIDENT-ELECT DONALD TRUMP:

    For what they did —

    KRISTEN WELKER:

    Yeah —

    PRESIDENT-ELECT DONALD TRUMP:

    – honestly, they should go to jail.

    KRISTEN WELKER:

    So you think Liz Cheney should go to jail?

    PRESIDENT-ELECT DONALD TRUMP:

    For what they did —

    KRISTEN WELKER:

    Everyone on the committee you think —

    PRESIDENT-ELECT DONALD TRUMP:

    I think everybody —

    KRISTEN WELKER:

    – should go to jail?

    PRESIDENT-ELECT DONALD TRUMP:

    – on the — anybody that voted in favor —

    KRISTEN WELKER:

    Are you going to direct your FBI director —

    PRESIDENT-ELECT DONALD TRUMP:

    No.

    KRISTEN WELKER:

    – and your attorney general to send them to jail?

    PRESIDENT-ELECT DONALD TRUMP:

    No, not at all. I think that they’ll have to look at that, but I’m not going to — I’m going to focus on drill, baby, drill.

    {He doesn’t want a failed prosecution for one thing or a continuing controversy about this]

    KRISTEN WELKER:

    When you say that, it carries weight though. You know, you’ve tapped these people to lead the Justice Department and FBI —

    PRESIDENT-ELECT DONALD TRUMP:

    They can do whatever they want. [They = Pam Bondy and Kash Patel]

    KRISTEN WELKER:

    Okay.

    PRESIDENT-ELECT DONALD TRUMP:

    Biden can give them a pardon if he wants to. And maybe he should. Just remember, unselect committee. A year and a half of sworn testimony, and after getting all of the testimony, they deleted it, wait, and they destroyed almost everything. There’s nothing left. It’s unprecedented.

    KRISTEN WELKER:

    And they deny doing that —

    PRESIDENT-ELECT DONALD TRUMP:

    If you do that in a civil case —

    KRISTEN WELKER:

    Yeah.

    PRESIDENT-ELECT DONALD TRUMP:

    – you go to jail.

    Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 12/11/2024 @ 10:54 am

  11. Mr. Thompson explained in a letter last year that the committee had asked the executive branch to go through some material first to protect “law enforcement sensitive operational details and private, personal information that, if released, could endanger the safety of witnesses.”

    So if he wants to blame someone for not making all the evidence available he should blame President Biden and Attorney General Merrick Garland although he could also blame the committee for requesting review.

    His biggest beef maybe is with hiding the Secret Service testimony.

    And some testimony initially withheld was released by Congressional Republicans this year:

    https://cha.house.gov/2024/3/chairman-loudermilk-publishes-never-before-released-anthony-ornato-transcribed-interview

    Today, Committee on House Administration’s Subcommittee on Oversight Chairman Barry Loudermilk (GA-11) released a transcribed interview the January 6 Select Committee conducted with President Trump’s former White House Deputy Chief of Staff Anthony Ornato, which shows President Donald Trump pushed for 10,000 National Guard troops to protect the nation’s capital.

    Left out: This was before January 6.

    The interview also shows White House frustration with slow deployment of assistance. The Select Committee conducted this interview in January of 2022, but never released it.

    Following Mollie Hemingway’s reporting, Chairman Loudermilk released the following statement:

    “The former J6 Select Committee apparently withheld Mr. Ornato’s critical witness testimony from the American people because it contradicted their pre-determined narrative,” said Chairman Loudermilk. “Mr. Ornato’s testimony proves what Mr. Meadows has said all along, President Trump did in fact offer 10,000 National Guard troops to secure the U.S. Capitol, which was turned down.

    Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 12/11/2024 @ 11:11 am

  12. https://thefederalist.com/2024/03/08/exclusive-liz-cheney-january-6-committee-suppressed-exonerating-evidence-of-trumps-push-for-national-guard/

    Ornato said White House concerns about January 6 were related to fears that left-wing groups would clash with Trump protesters and that no one in the White House anticipated a riot at the Capitol. [before it happened] Antifa and other left-wing groups were planning protests for the same day. Left-wing groups had been involved in violent assaults on Trump supporters following public protests.

    Washington DC Mayor Muriel Bowser and others successfully prevented that by persuading people not to counter-demonstrate at the Capitol, so they didn’t feel they needed anything.

    Everybody is telling half truths.

    Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 12/11/2024 @ 11:17 am

  13. whembly (477db6) — 12/11/2024 @ 10:52 am

    I don’t think Congress deleting exculpatory documents or defaming Trump in such a way is a chargeable offense due to the Speech and Debate clause.

    hat’s what Liz Cheney means when she says

    There is no conceivably appropriate factual or constitutional basis for what Donald Trump is suggesting — a Justice Department investigation of the work of a congressional committee

    Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 12/11/2024 @ 11:46 am

  14. Not much factual basis either except that the committee was selling aversion of events that considerably distorted the facts:

    1. The committee did not destroy evidence – it merely keep some secret by referring it to the Executive Branch for review of whether any of that should be kept secret.

    2. They played down, as much they could, Trump’s actual plans for January 6 – which was essentially for Congress to vote to make him president. There were not close to enough MAGA supporters in Congress to do that. Trump did not attempt to seize power. Certainly not by means of a riot. That could not extend his term one additional second. Preventing certification beyond noon of January 20, 2021 would only have made House Speaker Nancy Pelosi Acting president.

    3. The mob at the Ellipse was not angry.

    4. There was a separate invitation to go to the Capitol.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20210106005050/https://wildprotest.com

    5 The people who started the riot went directly to the Capitol and it started while Trump was still speaking at the Ellipse.

    6. There were people whose connection to Trump was never established who went to the United States Capitol, and attacked police officers, invaded the building and halted the official counting of electoral votes etc.

    7. Trump did not spend hours watching television. His first instinct. once he saw that proceedings inside were interrupted, was to call Senator Tommy Tuberville to urge him not to abandon his objections to the Electoral votes and he also made excuses for the rioters.

    8. He then tried to tell his supporters not to attack police, telling them, the second time, that that was against Republican Party principles because they were the party of law and order. He did refuse for about one hour to tell them to leave altogether, and then he had to prepare a video address.

    Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 12/11/2024 @ 11:47 am

  15. Someone needs to explain the Queensberry rules of lawfare to Trump.

    lloyd (13f4e4) — 12/11/2024 @ 12:13 pm

  16. Christopher Wray to resign at end of Biden’s term.

    Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/11/2024 @ 12:22 pm

  17. Someone needs to explain the Queensberry rules of lawfare to Trump.

    It’s simple: you have to use the Law, not just arrest people or make up charges that have no basis in law.

    Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/11/2024 @ 12:24 pm

  18. It’s simple: you have to use the Law, not just arrest people or make up charges that have no basis in law.
    Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/11/2024 @ 12:24 pm

    Oh good, so Trump is in compliance. Glad that’s confirmed.

    lloyd (13f4e4) — 12/11/2024 @ 12:44 pm

  19. It’s simple: you have to use the Law, not just arrest people or make up charges that have no basis in law.
    Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/11/2024 @ 12:24 pm

    Oh good, so Trump is in compliance. Glad that’s confirmed.

    lloyd (13f4e4) — 12/11/2024 @ 12:44 pm

    Trump doesn’t have the power to do so yet, but he will in 40 days.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 12/11/2024 @ 1:17 pm

  20. I would like to see schiff go to jail :but I think both me and trump will be disappointed.

    asset (38b1de) — 12/11/2024 @ 2:25 pm

  21. It is wonderfully funny to read that the Loser was complaining about other people lying. And that he used “honestly” without, so far as I can tell, even a bit of irony.

    (Reminder: As president, Obama told at least an order of magnitude of falsehoods more than George W. Bush; as president, the Loser told at least an order of magnitude more falsehoods than Obama.)

    Jim Miller (2aedde) — 12/11/2024 @ 3:29 pm

  22. It is wonderfully funny to read that the Loser was complaining about other people lying. And that he used “honestly” without, so far as I can tell, even a bit of irony.

    Jim Miller (2aedde) — 12/11/2024 @ 3:29 pm

    And yet his fans lap it up like a parched dog drinking toilet water.

    norcal (a72384) — 12/11/2024 @ 3:42 pm

  23. It’s simple: you have to use the Law, not just arrest people or make up charges that have no basis in law.

    Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/11/2024 @ 12:24 pm

    Or create a new law to allow civil suits against your political opponents from expired claims or twist the law in such a way as to turn an expired misdemeanor into a felony that you say will never be used against anyone else?

    NJRob (eb56c3) — 12/11/2024 @ 4:33 pm

  24. Violence from the left is just as despicable as violence from the right.
     
    https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/10/politics/nancy-mace-says-she-was-physically-accosted/index.html

    norcal (a72384) — 12/11/2024 @ 4:44 pm

  25. Under the Queensberry rules if you refuse to return classified documents when asked multiple multiple multiple times and then throw a public hissy fit when the government arrives to claim them, it isn’t lawfare if you are charged because you have violated the law (and then shined a spotlight the size of Trump’s ego on that violation).

    Nic (120c94) — 12/11/2024 @ 4:47 pm

  26. Oh good, so Trump is in compliance. Glad that’s confirmed.

    What charges would he bring against a constitutionally-protected committee member?

    Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/11/2024 @ 4:49 pm

  27. A member of Congress can call for the president’s assassination as long as they are on their House’s floor, and there’s not a damn thing the DoJ can do. Their HOUSE might have something to say about it, but there is no criminal charge possible.

    Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/11/2024 @ 4:51 pm

  28. Nic (120c94) — 12/11/2024 @ 4:47 pm

    There are those who can’t see the distinction between what Biden/Hillary did, and what Trump did. If they could, it would harsh their tribalist buzz.

    norcal (a72384) — 12/11/2024 @ 4:55 pm

  29. McConnell:

    “We’re in a very, very dangerous world right now, reminiscent of before world war two,” he says. “Even the slogan is the same. ‘America First.’ That was what they said in the ’30s.”

    Warming to his historical theme, McConnell turns to one of the portraits behind him, an influential Senate Republican of the wartime era named Robert A Taft. Son of the 27th president William Howard Taft, Robert was “a raging isolationist” who opposed Lend-Lease before the second world war and both the creation of Nato and the Marshall Plan afterwards, says McConnell. “Thank goodness Eisenhower beat him for the [presidential] nomination in ’52 and had a much different view of America’s role in the world.”

    McConnell has been Kentucky senator since 1985. Having committed to serving the final two years of his term, he intends to spend the time pushing back against the increasingly isolationist elements of today’s GOP. “The cost of deterrence is considerably less than the cost of war,” he says, reeling off the figures to prove it. In the second world war, the US spent 37 per cent of GDP on the fight. Last year that figure was about 2.7 per cent.

    His words are targeted directly at Trump and vice-president-elect JD Vance, who have argued that the US should not be spending any more money on Ukraine. McConnell is a strong believer in the Ronald Reagan view of the US role in the world, rather than the Trump one. “To most American voters, I think the simple answer is, ‘Let’s stay out of it.’ That was the argument made in the ’30s and that just won’t work,” he says. “Thanks to Reagan, we know what does work — not just saying peace through strength, but demonstrating it.”

    Soon to be replaced by lesser men.

    Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/11/2024 @ 5:38 pm

  30. McConnell had the opportunity to provide leadership by voting to impeach Trump and avoid the prospect of Trump’s reelection, and he shirked his duty. He helped bring on his “very, very dangerous world.” Do you think Trump or Vance will listen to him?

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 12/11/2024 @ 5:48 pm

  31. McConnell is barely different from Biden in his lapses and incompetence. He helped create the world he’s trying to absolve himself responsibility from.

    NJRob (eb56c3) — 12/11/2024 @ 6:06 pm

  32. Rob, meet Rip. Rip, meet Rob.

    Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/11/2024 @ 6:14 pm

  33. More whataboutism from NJRob and Kevin M.

    Rip Murdock (4aa4a0) — 12/11/2024 @ 7:01 pm

  34. Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/11/2024 @ 6:14 pm

    Unwilling to defend McConnell’s impeachment vote?

    Rip Murdock (4aa4a0) — 12/11/2024 @ 7:04 pm

  35. McConnell had the opportunity to provide leadership by voting to impeach Trump and avoid the prospect of Trump’s reelection, and he shirked his duty. He helped bring on his “very, very dangerous world.”

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 12/11/2024 @ 5:48 pm

    Yes, McConnell fell short in 2021. It doesn’t make what he said about the world today any less true.

    It seems like you always expect a perfect politician. There are none.

    norcal (a72384) — 12/11/2024 @ 7:05 pm

  36. Yes, McConnell fell short in 2021. It doesn’t make what he said about the world today any less true.

    It’s more than that. He’s lamenting a situation that he is directly responsible for letting happen. McConnell owns all of this, all because of his lame excuse to not convict.

    Paul Montagu (4f7e2a) — 12/11/2024 @ 7:09 pm

  37. Yes, McConnell fell short in 2021. It doesn’t make what he said about the world today any less true.

    It seems like you always expect a perfect politician. There are none.

    norcal (a72384) — 12/11/2024 @ 7:05 pm

    As I said, McConnell did his part in making the world more dangerous. He should own up to it. Given the choices, he made the wrong one; he didn’t anticipate that an impeached but acquitted Trump would win reelection.

    Too bad America (and other democracies) will pay the price. Any advice now from McConnell is a joke. Does he really expect Trump, Vance, Gabbard, Hegseth, etc. will listen to him?

    Rip Murdock (4aa4a0) — 12/11/2024 @ 7:15 pm

  38. Does (McConnell) really expect Trump, Vance, Gabbard, Hegseth, etc. will listen to him?

    Rip Murdock (4aa4a0) — 12/11/2024 @ 7:15 pm

    If he does, he’s more senile than Biden.

    Rip Murdock (4aa4a0) — 12/11/2024 @ 7:21 pm

  39. There are those who can’t see the distinction between what Biden/Hillary did, and what Trump did. If they could, it would harsh their tribalist buzz.
    norcal (a72384) — 12/11/2024 @ 4:55 pm

    There are those who can see they all violated the law. Rule of Law. The Queensberry Rules say you can draw arbitrary and tribalist lines so that lawbreaking by one is prosecuted whereas lawbreaking by the others are not.

    (See also Alvin Bragg, Trump, Penny, Neely.)

    lloyd (220e18) — 12/11/2024 @ 7:27 pm

  40. McConnell owns all of this, all because of his lame excuse to not convict.

    Paul Montagu (4f7e2a) — 12/11/2024 @ 7:09 pm

    I’m willing to allow for the possibility that McConnell discovered there was no way he could browbeat enough Republican Senators to convict, and thus decided not to squander his political capital on a futile effort.

    norcal (a72384) — 12/11/2024 @ 7:31 pm

  41. RIP Iowa Rep. Jim Leach (82).

    Rip Murdock (4aa4a0) — 12/11/2024 @ 7:45 pm

  42. I’m willing to allow for the possibility that McConnell discovered there was no way he could browbeat enough Republican Senators to convict, and thus decided not to squander his political capital on a futile effort.

    McConnell was always a cagey bastard but, with his vote, he only needed nine more Republicans, and he was one of the most effective Majority Leaders ever, but now we’ll never know.

    Paul Montagu (4f7e2a) — 12/11/2024 @ 7:51 pm

  43. @lloyd@39 and thus you have proved norcal’s point.

    Nic (120c94) — 12/11/2024 @ 9:06 pm

  44. @43 LOL norcal proved mine.

    You’ve both conceded the Ruie of Law only applies to the opposing tribe.

    lloyd (5d8c15) — 12/11/2024 @ 9:14 pm

  45. More whataboutism from NJRob and Kevin M.

    Point to it.

    Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/11/2024 @ 9:20 pm

  46. Unwilling to defend McConnell’s impeachment vote?

    Yes. He was the Senate party leader, and he had to vote with the party. Believe it or not there are rules when you are a professional politician that armchair politicos can ignore.

    Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/11/2024 @ 9:22 pm

  47. McConnell was always a cagey bastard but, with his vote, he only needed nine more Republicans,

    And if he had gotten them, or even some of them, that might have been different. Senate Leader is not a position for mavericks.

    Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/11/2024 @ 9:25 pm

  48. Now, he is no longer the party leader and has a much freer hand. How do you think he’d vote if Trump was being tried for withdrawing from NATO?

    Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/11/2024 @ 9:28 pm

  49. Now, he is no longer the party leader and has a much freer hand. How do you think he’d vote if Trump was being tried for withdrawing from NATO?

    Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/11/2024 @ 9:28 pm

    Probably to acquit, because describing withdrawing from NATO as a “high crime or misdemeanor” is an illogical stretch. As I’ve said, the law that prohibits withdrawal from NATO without Congressional approval is unconstitutional.

    Rip Murdock (4aa4a0) — 12/11/2024 @ 10:01 pm

  50. He was the Senate party leader, and he had to vote with the party.

    Bucking the party line on such a momentous issue could also be described as placing the country above party and politics.

    Rip Murdock (4aa4a0) — 12/11/2024 @ 10:04 pm

  51. Probably to acquit, because describing withdrawing from NATO as a “high crime or misdemeanor” is an illogical stretch.

    Only someone needing to duck their duty would take the literalist view of those words. If you heard what he said last weekend at the Reagan Library regarding NATO and America’s role in the world, you’d know better.

    You would vote “HELL yes.”

    Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/11/2024 @ 10:46 pm

  52. Bucking the party line on such a momentous issue could also be described as placing the country above party and politics.

    Blah blah blah. People usually say that when they want the other party guys to do that. It’s the kind of thing that ought to get you to tap your wallet.

    Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/11/2024 @ 10:47 pm

  53. As I’ve said, the law that prohibits withdrawal from NATO without Congressional approval is unconstitutional.

    It is a line in the sand, just the same.

    Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/11/2024 @ 10:47 pm

  54. @lloyd@44 How many times was Biden subpoenaed to return missing classified documents? And how many times did he ignore them?

    Nic (120c94) — 12/12/2024 @ 1:10 am

  55. Yes. He was the Senate party leader, and he had to vote with the party.

    Well, that was the problem right there, Kevin, McConnell picking party over country.

    Paul Montagu (7de6df) — 12/12/2024 @ 4:31 am

  56. You guys seemed to have missed the last election. The country picked Trump to lead it.

    NJRob (eb56c3) — 12/12/2024 @ 5:28 am

  57. Nic (120c94) — 12/12/2024 @ 1:10 am

    Keep making up arbitrary distinctions that aren’t part of the law. Exactly my point.

    lloyd (5d8c15) — 12/12/2024 @ 6:12 am

  58. Keep making up arbitrary distinctions that aren’t part of the law.

    As I recall, subpoenas are part of the law. So is the Espionage Act.

    Paul Montagu (1888f5) — 12/12/2024 @ 6:18 am

  59. As I recall, subpoenas are part of the law. So is the Espionage Act.
    Paul Montagu (1888f5) — 12/12/2024 @ 6:18 am

    non sequitur noted

    lloyd (5d8c15) — 12/12/2024 @ 6:23 am

  60. Except it’s not, lloyd, but you do you.

    Paul Montagu (1888f5) — 12/12/2024 @ 7:09 am

  61. Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/11/2024 @ 9:22 pm

    He was the Senate party leader, and he had to vote with the party.

    There was no party position. <cComme;; would probably been in favor of conviction had he been able to get just enough Republicans to go along to reach 2/3.

    He did bring almost all of the Senate Republicans along with him to not object to the Electoral votes from six states.

    Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 12/12/2024 @ 9:39 am

  62. As I’ve said, the law that prohibits withdrawal from NATO without Congressional approval is unconstitutional.

    It is a line in the sand, just the same.

    Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/11/2024 @ 10:47 pm

    So was the law requiring Congressional notification to leave the Open Skies Treaty, which was ignored without consequence.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 12/12/2024 @ 12:45 pm

  63. Kevin M (a9545f) — 12/11/2024 @ 10:46 pm

    McConnell’s speech at the Reagan Library fell on deaf ears in Washington.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 12/12/2024 @ 12:47 pm


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