Weekend Open Thread
[guest post by Dana]
Let’s go!
First news item
The cost of deporting 11 million undocumented aliens:
On the campaign trail, Donald Trump vowed to commence the largest mass deportation of undocumented immigrants in history on Day 1 if he retook the Oval Office.
Now that he’s president-elect, he’s pledging to make good on that promise — at any cost.
“It’s not a question of a price tag. It’s not — really, we have no choice,” Trump said Thursday in an interview with NBC News. “When people have killed and murdered, when drug lords have destroyed countries, and now they’re going to go back to those countries because they’re not staying here. There is no price tag.”
With an estimated 11 million undocumented aliens, a mass deportation is estimated to be around $315 billion, according to the American Immigration Council.
This is an unbelievable amount of money. Here is a breakdown of the costs:
The average cost of apprehending, detaining, processing and removing one undocumented immigrant from the United States in 2016 was $10,900, according to figures released by ICE at the time. That year, ICE also said the average cost of transporting one deportee to their home country was $1,978. Since then, the costs have only grown.
ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations has generally been underfunded and has previously had to reprogram funds to expand detention space, especially during border surges. But there are limits to how much money can be reprogrammed, officials said.
While the logistics of such an undertaking remain unknown, before all else, there is the moral consideration of ejecting 11 million people, many of whom have not committed crimes while living the U.S. We can assume that, of the non-criminals, many have lived, worked, and raised their families here. In other words, many, many of these people have been productive members of society.
P.S. I assume that we are all in agreement that, at the very least, minor children should not be separated from their families.
Additionally, and also very importantly: what are the protections that will be put in place to keep the food supply chain moving? After all, working on farms and in our dairies is the work that Americans don’t want to do and undocumented migrants willingly do. . .for us.
Second news item
Wow. BRUTAL words for her fellow liberals from Democratic strategist @JulieRoginsky on CNN:
“I’m going to speak some hard truths…We are not be party of common sense, which is the message the voters sent to us…When we address Latino voters…as Latinx, for instance, b/c… pic.twitter.com/kUxP4kbBNe
— Curtis Houck (@CurtisHouck) November 7, 2024
Third news item
Morale-building at the Los Angeles District Attorney’s Office:
On his first day in office four years ago, Los Angeles County Dist. Atty. George Gascón issued a slate of progressive edicts that many prosecutors in his office said handcuffed them in the fight against crime.
When Nathan Hochman takes Gascón’s seat in fewer than 30 days, he has vowed to untie those same prosecutors’ hands, rolling back his predecessor’s policies.
Hochman’s agenda includes a return to seeking the death penalty, an increase in the prosecution of low-level misdemeanors and using sentencing enhancements to seek long prison terms in cases that involve guns or gangs.
After routing Gascón on election night by 23 percentage points, Hochman said in an interview Wednesday that he plans to immediately deliver on his campaign promises to wipe away several of his predecessor’s “blanket, lazy policies” when he’s inaugurated Dec. 2.
Fourth news item
“The moment we win, we will rapidly review the cases of every political prisoner unjustly victimized by the Harris regime, and I will sign their pardons on Day 1,” Trump said at a Wisconsin rally in September.
Post-election:
More than 1,500 rioters have been charged in connection with the Capitol attack with some 645 of them sentenced to time in prison and 143 of them ordered into home detention.
Among those defendants are 10 individuals who were convicted by juries of seditious conspiracy — plotting to use force to oppose the authority of the U.S. government — for attempting to block the certification of President Biden’s election victory against Trump.
“Every January 6 defendant is hoping and anxious for some relief from President Trump,” said Carmen Hernandez, a defense attorney who has represented several Jan. 6 defendants, including in the conspiracy cases against members of the right-wing extremist groups Proud Boys and Oath Keepers.
FYI:
Penny Cudd was sentenced to two months of probation after pleading guilty to one count of entering and remaining in a restricted building or grounds. In a teary video posted to X in the early hours of Nov. 6, she celebrated Trump’s win as a victory for all Jan. 6 defendants.
“It means the world to all of us J6ers to know that what we did was not in vain — and all of the pain and suffering and the families torn apart and the lives destroyed was not done in vain,” Cudd said.
“And we’re all really excited that we’re about to get presidential pardons.”
Fifth news item
Tariffs. . .again:
Advisers close to President-elect Donald Trump have been in discussions with House Ways and Means Chair Jason Smith (R-Mo.) on a broad tax package that is partially paid for by tariffs approved by Congress, according to two people familiar with the conversations who were granted anonymity to describe the internal discussions.
As part of those conversations, staffers and advisers close to the Trump team have also investigated whether House rules need to be changed to use tariffs as offsets for tax cuts, those people say.
The math:
It’s very unlikely that tariffs could help pay for a significant portion of any tax cuts, though — despite Trump’s flirtation with the idea of using tariffs to completely eliminate the income tax. In fiscal year 2020, U.S. Customs collected $74.4 billion in tariffs, accounting for only roughly 2.2 percent of total federal revenue, according to the Congressional Research Service.
According to estimates by the Tax Foundation, the U.S. would need to implement an across-the-board tariff hike of 69.9 percent to completely replace income taxes.
Sixth news
Possible Trump plan for ending the war in Ukraine (apparently it will take more than 24 hours):
The Wall Street Journal reported that President-elect Donald Trump’s team has drafted a proposal to end the ongoing war in Ukraine war on Thursday. Allegedly the plan includes significant conditions: Ukraine should give up its NATO membership aspirations for at least 20 years, the freezing of the current front lines and the establishment of a demilitarized zone between Russian-held territory and Ukraine.
The plan is said to exclude the possibility of US troops or UN contingents to monitor and enforce any ceasefire, instead suggesting that Kyiv’s European allies – such as Poland, Germany, Britain, and France – should take on the responsibility.
According to the WSJ source within Trump’s team, the US would continue to provide military training and support including weapons to Ukraine to help deter further Russian advances. However, previous reports from Trump’s advisors have hinted at the possibility that Washington could suspend military aid as a way to encourage Kyiv to enter peace negotiations.
Reminder: JD Vance has not been shy about his calls to halt sending aid to Ukraine. But offering clarity to the incoming administration is Ukraine’s former Defense Minister:
Vice President-elect JD Vance has suggested that Russia’s war in Ukraine could end with freezing the lines of conflict.
Ukraine’s former Defense Minister @Andriypzag says that’s a fundamental mistake: “Putin is not waging this war to get a little bit more territory. His goals… pic.twitter.com/NIo4S7KbZZ
— Christiane Amanpour (@amanpour) November 7, 2024
President Biden should use his short time left in offic to provide Ukraine with everything *they* have said they need. Not what Washington says they need, but what those actually in the fray say they need to win this war.
Seventh news item
Donald Trump’s team appeared to be quietly distancing itself from Robert F Kennedy Jr in the immediate aftermath of the election amid speculation that the former presidential candidate could be handed control of US public health agencies.
Advisers to the president-elect questioned whether Mr Kennedy, a vaccine sceptic who has also been the subject of a series of bizarre stories involving animals, would make it through a security check for a cabinet position.
It raises questions about what role, if any, Mr Kennedy would be given in the Trump administration, as the Republican’s transition team sets about filling thousands of federal posts for his return to the White House.
MISCELLANEOUS: Briefly, as I process the election results, I am in shock that Donald Trump won. It is jarring that a majority of Americans preferred a massively corrupt individual over the other candidate. The result is the complete normalization of an individual who is anything but normal and who has, without shame, demonstrated this truth in spades over the past 9+ years.
Nonetheless, have a good weekend.
— Dana
Hello.
Dana (f1af2a) — 11/8/2024 @ 8:22 amImmigration. A half-baked notion based on a Newt Gingrich proposal from 2012:
1. All unadmitted persons must register as such, listing family members and their status.
2. Those who do not register are deported when found, with prejudice.
3. Local citizen boards (akin to the old draft boards) will review each case.
4. Those who have built a life here and are self-supporting are offered amnesty.
5. There may be a cost to amnesty.
6. Recent arrivals, or long-term arrivals with marginal connections to their community are deported without prejudice.
7. The local board’s decisions can be reviewed by (???).
8. Immigration laws are reformed to reserve half of all immigration slots to Central Americans, and preferences for relatives are substantially narrowed.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/8/2024 @ 8:37 amI would hope that Congress can find common ground on immigration with the threat of “mass deportation” acting as a prod. It will take substantially more effort than last year’s attempt to codify actions that Biden eventually took by EO.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/8/2024 @ 8:40 amI would really love to hear Dick Gephardt’s analysis of this election.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/8/2024 @ 8:43 amTrump WILL issue pardons to folks who merely trespassed, or were cited only for misdemeanors. He will NOT issue pardons to those convicted of assaulting police officers or any serious felony. The cases that center on interfering with a proceeding will probably be vacated by the courts before he takes office.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/8/2024 @ 8:48 amre the comment on whether RFK, Jr.: ” would make it through a security check for a cabinet position.”
Now that we have a Commander in Chief who might not make it through a security check, concerns about RFK, Jr. are reduced to quibbling.
John Boddie (dcf99c) — 11/8/2024 @ 8:53 amWe should not be negotiating with ourselves before we negotiate with Putin. We should open with “full Russian withdrawal and NATO membership.” And yes, give Ukraine what they’ve been asking for. Maybe even Western troops now that Putin has added Nork soldiers.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/8/2024 @ 8:54 amNow that we have a Commander in Chief who might not make it through a security check
He’s not the first.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/8/2024 @ 8:57 amKatherine Rampell has a sensible suggestion:
The cover story in the October 19th Economist is titled
“The Envy of the World”, which refers to America’s economy.
(No doubt the Loser will continue to cheat those he plays against, but they should be prepared to sacrifice a little for their country, and the world.)
Jim Miller (dbb1c0) — 11/8/2024 @ 8:58 amWill Trump push to end the filibuster? Will Senate Conservatives (actual ones) refuse? If Trump wants to downsize the government by any noticeable amount, the filibuster will have to go. Lots of baby in that bathwater.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/8/2024 @ 8:59 amSome good news from Washington state:
(Incidentally, one of the reasons I like Newhouse is that he has made some efforts to help the Yakama Indians, who have many problems.)
Jim Miller (dbb1c0) — 11/8/2024 @ 9:06 amWe shall see.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/8/2024 @ 9:12 amFirst news item:
Suddenly, the Rule of Law carries a price tag that we need to take into consideration. When did that start?
As for separating children from parents, this is happening daily and at record numbers. Unaccompanied minors, or minors sent across the border with fictitious relatives, is called gaming the system. Pretending this isn’t happening and looking the other way has guaranteed that this happens even more. See, for example, the past four years.
An American parent who does this will be separated from their children by law. Why are we carving out an exception for migrants breaking our laws?
lloyd (d006b9) — 11/8/2024 @ 9:40 amNormalizing a corrupt individual versus normalizing corrupt policies. Not an ideal choice, but fortunately that was an easy decision for most people.
lloyd (d006b9) — 11/8/2024 @ 9:50 amNews is breaking that Jack Smith has asked Judge Chutkan to vacate all future dates and will file a final status report.
whembly (d325ad) — 11/8/2024 @ 9:53 amThat seems to clarify unclear reports.
1. He will stop further proceedings.
2. He will file a final report.
3. He’s not going to resiggn immediately,
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 11/8/2024 @ 9:57 am@15 The people returned a verdict, and it was a middle finger salute to lawfare. For me, this is the best outcome from Tuesday. I fully expect the lawfare merchants to not learn from it and plow ahead.
lloyd (9da30a) — 11/8/2024 @ 9:59 amFrom a previous thread:
Red herrings, your examples involve personal liberties, of which abortion is clearly not. Of the 16 states that criminalize adultery as a felony or misdemeanor, it is doubtful any of them would survive a court challenge under Lawrence v. Texas.
And further, the Comstock Act (18 U.S.C. 1461) isn’t a dead letter. Both Justices Alito and Thomas referred to it during oral arguments in the recent mifepristone case. And President Trump can use the authority under the Alien Enemy Act of 1798, a law far older than the Comstock Act (1873). While it is questionable that the wartime authorities under the Alien Enemy Act can be used in peacetime, the Supreme Court has said (in Ludecke v. Watkins (1948)) that it was a political question best left to Congress when upholding the Truman Administration’s use of the Act well past the end of World War II. The Court said the Act precludes judicial review of removal orders.
Given the conservative makeup of the Supreme Court, I do not see them overturning the Comstock Act.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/8/2024 @ 10:00 amIran Fooled by the Polls, too
Note that Kamala wasn’t viewed as a threat.
lloyd (9da30a) — 11/8/2024 @ 10:13 amIt is jarring that a majority of Americans preferred a massively corrupt individual over a government that actively harmed them and would continue to do so.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/8/2024 @ 10:16 amThe cover story in the October 19th Economist is titled “The Envy of the World”, which refers to America’s economy.
As seen by the people who it favored. But strangely — and this is no doubt coincidental — not in those areas that voted for him.
‘An Earthquake’ Along the Border: Trump Flipped Hispanic South Texas
Imagine a part of this country that has got the sh1t end of the stick from both parties for the last 30 years not believing the government statistics, since they do not match their experience.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/8/2024 @ 10:27 amyour examples involve personal liberties, of which abortion is clearly not.
It may be arguable that it is not, but it is so unclear that repeated court rulings have said it is. Even Dobbs did not say abortion wasn’t a “personal liberty” only that it was not clearly so and that legislatures ought weigh in.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/8/2024 @ 10:29 amI don’t think Trump needs Congressional permission to enforce immigration law. I am sure there are safeguards in that law that Trump will wish to circumvent. I imagine, in his view, we round up a bunch of people, load them in a bus, and drop them off on the other side of the border. That doesn’t take billions or much in the way of infrastructure.
My admittedly failed crystal ball says Trump will concentrate on this issue this time. (In his first term, he ignored it.) The showman in him knows he needs a big bright shiny at the beginning of his term, and rounding up the usual suspects will help.
Appalled (f24838) — 11/8/2024 @ 10:34 amRegarding Trump’s mass-deportation plan, I haven’t seen an actual plan that shows the mechanics of such a thing. Trump has only talked about it as an aspiration, and purposely not put a dollar amount to it. IMO, this effort would only damage our economy and ramp up inflation.
Peter Zeihan discusses the economic impacts of illegals in our country. Basically, the two million additional illegals in recent years have been beneficial to our economy, given that we still have a labor shortage, with our current unemployment rate of 4.1%. Removing a significant portion of those illegals will be inflationary. Spending hundreds of billions to remove them would be inflationary and skyrocket our already sky-high deficits.
If there’s a solution, I see enhanced border security to stem the inflow, and comprehensive immigration reform to get the undocumented documented, and now we have majorities in both houses.
Paul Montagu (1888f5) — 11/8/2024 @ 10:42 am> Of the 16 states that criminalize adultery as a felony or misdemeanor, it is doubtful any of them would survive a court challenge under Lawrence v. Texas.
Why do you assume that Lawrence would not simply be overturned?
aphrael (be1cf4) — 11/8/2024 @ 10:45 am> News is breaking that Jack Smith has asked Judge Chutkan to vacate all future dates and will file a final status report.
Sure. You can’t prosecute a sitting president — that’s been true under DoJ interpretation of law for at least half a century — and Trump is going to be the sitting president before any case can be finished. There isn’t much point in continuing to go through the motions.
aphrael (be1cf4) — 11/8/2024 @ 10:48 amSpeaking of unenforced laws:
Birds do it, bees do it.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/8/2024 @ 10:59 amI don’t think there are the votes to overturn the decision; only Alito and Thomas (Thomas being the only surviving dissenter) would probably do so, and as far as I know there are no direct challenges to it. While Thomas said in his dissent the law was “uncommonly silly,” he didn’t find in the Constitution a general right of privacy.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/8/2024 @ 11:14 amNancy Pelosi Begins Drafting Articles Of Impeachment.
lloyd (9da30a) — 11/8/2024 @ 11:29 amExcept the president and the vice president, who are elected officials. But what precisely it prohibits isn’t clear.
Sammy FInkelman (e4ef09) — 11/8/2024 @ 11:47 amPaul Montagu (1888f5) — 11/8/2024 @ 10:42 am
There’s not going to be enhanced border security.
What Trump has said he would do is place a25% tariff on goods from Mexico unless Mexico prevents people from approaching the border and requesting asylum (or not) and if that doesn’t work, a 50% tariff and if that doesn’t work a 75% tariff and a 100% tariff and so on. That was a promise. Since Mexico is corrupt and has just politicized its judiciary, there is a definite possibility that will “work” (at the expense of human life) to reduce the numbers.
This will never happen. Not only are the Republicans against more legal immigration, this always fails because the first thing they attempt to agree to is a number. Which is always too low.
That’s what the Republican consensus definitely does not want to do They call that amnesty and oppose it. I would call it a statute of limitations. Which exists even for bank robbers.
They even want to extend it to the next generation by musing that birthright citizenship should be abolished.
But will retain the filibuster so nothing will happen.
Until a scandal occurs.
Trump will declare victory. ICE will stage raids in places they get criticized and a few big places but otherwise they will not do much against any people who do not walk into their offices except possibly free people with long sentences from jails in jurisdictions that will allow them to, reversing a policy decision reached years ago not to do that (some drug dealers were happy to exchange going to the Dominican Republic where they could live in expensive houses, for jail)
If anyone complains that Trump is not deporting people he (or his appointees) will say the policy is criminals first. If someone complains that they are he will say that’s the law and we have to do it.
A lot will be left to the discretion of permanent employees, and pretty soon who goes and who stays will be decided by bribery. It will explode into scandal possibly around the 3rd year of his term, but maybe not until later
Sammy FInkelman (e4ef09) — 11/8/2024 @ 12:08 pmTrump and his idiocratic tariffs.
Paul Montagu (953476) — 11/8/2024 @ 12:11 pmPaul Montagu (1888f5) — 11/8/2024 @ 10:42 am
If they paid attention to economic reality, they would so oppose immigration – under any terms.
This is not such a good argument. It’s only $88 billion a year for ten years. But anyway Congress is just not going to multiply the budget for such things by 11.
Many lawyers will prefer to keep their clients in local jail rather than an immigration jail far away
Sammy FInkelman (e4ef09) — 11/8/2024 @ 12:12 pmPaul Montagu (953476) — 11/8/2024 @ 12:11 pm
Trump claims he has the power to increase tariffs without a vote in Congress.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 11/8/2024 @ 12:14 pmAnd is responsible for the lack of slowdown caused by higher interest rates.
That works in reality. But the all important question is: How does it work in theory?
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 11/8/2024 @ 12:16 pmhttps://equitablegrowth.org/the-general-theory-of-employment-interest-and-money
The question is: What is the name of the defunct economist that the Republican Party is listening to?
I think he must have flourished in the 1880s.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 11/8/2024 @ 12:19 pmKevin M (a9545f) — 11/8/2024 @ 8:37 am
That would be a liberalization over current law. All deportations from inside the United States are with prejudice
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 11/8/2024 @ 12:22 pmWe may be here, but the whole thing won’t work without that. Otherwise: “Anchor babies.” (which is not currently the law)
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 11/8/2024 @ 12:25 pmHoward Lutnick, Chairman of Cantor Fitzgerald, which was devastated by the Sept 11 attacks wants to abolish the income tax and replace that with tariffs, and he heads the Trump transition..
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 11/8/2024 @ 12:27 pmAnd when and if he finds that is not enough for Putin, what does he do?
It could be escalate or threaten to.,
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 11/8/2024 @ 12:29 pmHere’s how we should start out our negotiations with Putin: Demand that he turn himself over to an international court to be tried for war crimes.
Jim Miller (db7f66) — 11/8/2024 @ 12:29 pmLOL!
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/8/2024 @ 12:32 pmAll recent Presidents have had the power to unilaterally increase (or decrease) tariffs.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/8/2024 @ 12:51 pmDon’t hope for relief from the courts:
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/8/2024 @ 12:56 pmThere’s a way to stop the use of North Korean troops:
Send captured prisoners to South Korea without announcing their names.
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 11/8/2024 @ 1:21 pmhttps://www.dailywire.com/news/exclusive-fema-official-ordered-relief-workers-to-skip-houses-with-trump-signs
If true tar, feathers and run out on a rail is too good for this corrupt government official.
NJRob (d268ca) — 11/8/2024 @ 2:18 pmFBI Staff Granted Grieving Day For Election Results.
lloyd (dec7b6) — 11/8/2024 @ 2:47 pmThe thing we were told wasn’t happening was happening.
https://x.com/MaryMargOlohan/status/1855000944640929795
I do think Trump should act in a bipartisan manner and make his first act a long-sought Democratic goal: adding 4 SCOTUS justices. Surely he’ll receive bipartisan support, right?!?
SaveFarris (1d4bd1) — 11/8/2024 @ 3:06 pmDear Dana: first, you must know I have nothing but respect for you and your statements for many years.
You wrote:
I myself did not vote for DJT, no. But I have many superconservative relatives, and I work on a super woke campus. My experiences and thus my opinion is different.
First, social media is beyond weird. I have said many times that the epitaph of Western Culture will be “TL; DR.”
All of the headlines scream and are extreme. We hear opinions on people we have never met and do not know…written by people we have also never met and do not know. These opinions are designed to fit our knee-jerk reactions, not thoughtfulness.
I understand all that and I also understand that such an approach is not new. But social media makes the process much faster and in my opinion more extreme.
For good or for ill, in my opinion, the Left overplayed their hand. Regardless of what the truth might be, it looked as if they were using any and all tricks to get DJT. This resonated like crazy. From the Left’s point of view, DJT is so bad that anything they do to attack him is okay.
Remember Harry Reid lying about Mitt Romney not paying taxes, getting caught in the lie, and then saying, well, it worked out like I wanted?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/15/harry-reid-lied-about-mitt-romneys-taxes-hes-still-not-sorry/
Let me emphasize: it was okay to lie about someone if it gave you the result you wanted. THAT is what many voters have seen for many years. It doesn’t matter if it is how things have always been done.
This is implanted into many people’s brains. This is the result of total war against DJT.
Then add to that the bizarre situation with Joe Biden and the coronation of Kamala Harris. Harris’ many missteps. The constant weird drumbeat of bizarre progressive ideas in media. Calling people who disagree evil or stupid.
Many people were not voting for DJT. They were voting against the media-bureaucrat-administrative-academic axis.
I honestly think that this would not have happened, if Joe Biden had not run, and a DNC convention took place, and (hard to do, this) a more conciliatory and less extreme Left philosophy was used. Plus several debates.
Again, just my opinions. But I do not believe that many people voted for DJT. They did, again, vote against the weird folk currently in power.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 11/8/2024 @ 3:57 pmBasically, the two million additional illegals in recent years have been beneficial to our economy, given that we still have a labor shortage, with our current unemployment rate of 4.1%.
Beneficial to whom? If you think that people willing to work under the table for low wages is beneficial, I have some construction workers you should talk to.
I guess if you want a cheap kitchen remodel, it’s a good thing, but if you are a tradesman trying to put food on the family table, it’s less good.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/8/2024 @ 4:08 pmI hope that this is the death knell of the term “Latinx”
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/8/2024 @ 4:09 pm> Of the 16 states that criminalize adultery as a felony or misdemeanor, it is doubtful any of them would survive a court challenge under Lawrence v. Texas.
Lawrence didn’t happen until some moronic DA decided to prosecute under the sodomy law.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/8/2024 @ 4:10 pmThat would be a liberalization over current law. All deportations from inside the United States are with prejudice
Yes, but if you want people to register as illegals (which simplifies the process enormously) you have to offer them something. Coupled with that is that failure to register is a must-deport situation, with no second chances or sob stories.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/8/2024 @ 4:14 pmWhy should the West do so?
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/8/2024 @ 4:15 pmHere’s how we should start out our negotiations with Putin: Demand that he turn himself over to an international court to be tried for war crimes.
Hmmm. I don’t think you have your heart in these negotiations.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/8/2024 @ 4:16 pmP.S. I assume that we are all in agreement that, at the very least, minor children should not be separated from their families.
Deport them all, but identify those who are actually US citizens so that they can return when they have agency. This may be as students, or adults, or if sponsored by legally-resident relatives, etc.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/8/2024 @ 4:22 pmIf they are citizens, why would they need sponsors?
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/8/2024 @ 4:45 pmRegister and you’re flown back unencumbered.
Dont and get shot as a war casualty.
Problem solved.
SaveFarris (1d4bd1) — 11/8/2024 @ 5:19 pmCreating a skyrocketing housing market that priced any young families out of home ownership.
No thanks. Anyone who came in illegally over the last 4 years must be deported on principle. That’s not negotiable.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/8/2024 @ 5:24 pmBe interesting to see who complains about the price and availability of their steak when 25% of the meat packing industry workers are deported.
Nic (120c94) — 11/8/2024 @ 5:30 pmNot paying day laborers back in the 1st half of the 1800s was great for the economy too! Too bad about that pesky 13th Amendment.
As for the alleged resulting labor shortage, sounds like a good reason to raise wages to attract more workers!
SaveFarris (1d4bd1) — 11/8/2024 @ 5:30 pm“Cook my steak, brown people!” Isn’t the winning argument you think it is.
SaveFarris (1d4bd1) — 11/8/2024 @ 5:32 pmFEMA admitted it is true.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/8/2024 @ 6:05 pmSupporting slave labor or just depressing wages?
NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/8/2024 @ 6:05 pmhttps://www.breitbart.com/europe/2024/11/08/geert-wilders-condemns-pogrom-in-the-streets-of-amsterdam-after-israeli-soccer-fans-brutally-attacked/
Disgusting to see the types of violence that Jews experience on a continual basis. There is a reason Israel needs to exist.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/8/2024 @ 6:08 pmTrump has a mandate.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/8/2024 @ 6:11 pmIf they are citizens, why would they need sponsors?
OK, adoptive parents if that works better for you.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/8/2024 @ 6:12 pmDont and get shot as a war casualty.
Problem solved.
I guess you’d shoot the reporters who filmed that, too. You and Noriega.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/8/2024 @ 6:13 pmBe interesting to see who complains about the price and availability of their steak when 25% of the meat packing industry workers are deported.
Are you saying that under-the-table illegals are working in the meat packing industry? Why should we of choose lower prices over our fellow Americans’ well-being?
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/8/2024 @ 6:16 pm@69 The mess at the border the past four years wasn’t about asylum, wasn’t about our security, and wasn’t about the rule of law. That’s what Nic is saying.
lloyd (a84e2d) — 11/8/2024 @ 6:51 pmOne, “over the last 4 years” isn’t “principle”, it’s politics, because you’re all about those came here under Biden and gave a pass to the 9 million other illegals that came here under Trump and prior administrations.
Two, “not negotiable” are the words of a right-wing intolerant. Housing prices didn’t just go up in the current administration.
Three, Trump isn’t just talking about the two million illegals under Biden, he’s talking about all of them, so I refer you back to the inflation and deficit-busting that your guy will cause.
As they say, elections have consequences, and there will be some major consequences starting next year, and regrettably not the kind that are good for America.
Disingenuous. We didn’t get 3.4% average GDP growth in 2021-2023 because Gomez got some under-the-table cash to put faux granite on your kitchen counters.
Paul Montagu (953476) — 11/8/2024 @ 6:52 pmGo away Birddog. You and your ilk are irrelevant. You lost. Your desire for leftism lost. Come back in 4 years demanding more of the same BS.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/8/2024 @ 7:03 pmWhat’s inflation busting is spending trillions supporting illegal aliens.
I said those over the last 4 years are for starters. Not the end game.
Leftists invited the criminal aliens to come her to flood the system and destroy it. They shouldn’t be rewarded for it. Any amnesty is contingent on a law removing anchor baby citizenship and requiring deportation for all future illegal aliens. No more skipping the line.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/8/2024 @ 7:06 pmThat assumes that they’re treated like human beings and the legal process is followed. Donald Trump has spent the last 8 years dehumanizing them. Treating them like animals would reduce the cost and Trump has demonstrated his contempt for the legal process when it gets in his way. History has a way of repeating itself.
purplehaze (14021d) — 11/8/2024 @ 7:07 pmGDP growth wasn’t 3.4%. Take away government spending dodo.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/8/2024 @ 7:07 pmI notice none of the usual suspects have even acknowledged what the leftists running our government did to open Republicans through FEMA. Why is that?
NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/8/2024 @ 7:09 pm@SaveFarris@62 Um, you don’t know what the meatpacking industry is, do you?
@njrob@64 More a comment on people’s ability to forsee the results of actions. For example, tariffs on food imports.
@kevin@69 There definitely are a very significant number of people here illegally who work in the meat packing industry. It’s kind of famous for it. (see above answer to njrob)
@lloyd@70 If we want to be serious for a moment, a lot of people here illegally are employed workers with visa overstays and not involved in anything going on at the borders at all.
Nic (120c94) — 11/8/2024 @ 7:27 pmThe only people angrier about Trump winning the election than the usual suspects are Iran and China.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/8/2024 @ 7:30 pmThe thing is, illegal immigration isn’t just a supply issue, as in the supply of illegals crossing the border. It’s a demand issue, because American employers need the personnel to operate their enterprises. We only allow so many into our country in preset quantities per nation, and it’s not enough to address the labor shortage we have. This is a good thing, and it’s to vibrancy and resiliency of our economy, which is performing way better than the EU and China.
Paul Montagu (953476) — 11/8/2024 @ 7:33 pm‘Beneficial to whom? If you think that people willing to work under the table for low wages is beneficial, I have some construction workers you should talk to.”
You’re angry at the wrong people.
Davethulhu (741a5f) — 11/8/2024 @ 8:20 pm“I notice none of the usual suspects have even acknowledged what the leftists running our government did to open Republicans through FEMA. Why is that?”
https://www.axios.com/2024/09/13/trump-threatens-california-fire-aid-newsom
I notice none of the usual suspects have even acknowledged what Trump plans to do to Democrats through FEMA. Why is that?
Davethulhu (741a5f) — 11/8/2024 @ 8:22 pm11. Jim Miller: what kind of problems are the Yakama having? The entire county is agricultural and the income level seems to have slumped as mexican produce cratered the importance of crops that are grown there. I mean the whole area seems depressed. And maybe drugs
Harcourt Fenton Mudd (b3b25c) — 11/8/2024 @ 8:42 pm32: Paul M: didn’t we have tariffs for the first 150 years? were we poor then?
Harcourt Fenton Mudd (b3b25c) — 11/8/2024 @ 8:47 pmDisingenuous. We didn’t get 3.4% average GDP growth in 2021-2023 because Gomez got some under-the-table cash to put faux granite on your kitchen counters.
That part of this that makes any sense is a non sequitur.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/8/2024 @ 9:12 pmQuestion: Why did Trump get such solid support from working class and Latino voters?
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trumps-return-power-fueled-by-hispanic-working-class-voter-support-2024-11-06/
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/8/2024 @ 9:15 pmit’s not enough to address the labor shortage we have.
We have a real shortage of legal resident tradesmen willing to work for $10/hr
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/8/2024 @ 9:17 pmItem 1 read arthur miller play incident at vichy it explains why the cost wont matter. Item 2 democrat party cannot win with out the left as hillary tried in 2016. Biden welcomed the left in 2020 and won. Both clinton and harris spent over a billion dollars and kowtowed to the donor class to get it. Trying to appeal to the working class after years of lecturing to them good luck with that as Bernie Sanders just said. The democrat party establishment elites think calling them fly over space and shame on you james carville for pointing out the emperor has no cloths! When he said the price of eggs is to high I am going to vote for trump! Women on the view thats racist and sexist! Item 5 69.9% makes american workers happy. The wealthy and multi-national corporations not so much. Maybe trump will like fang fang. Dana Why do conservatives keep on thinking that what you think is important is the same as what populists think is important when your not alike. I am a non-ignorant southern white trash democrat who understands how they think. The price of food is more important then some highfalution sounding threat to democracy when this is a republic like rome. (both had slavery)
asset (de655f) — 11/9/2024 @ 12:20 am3 weeks ago, we were told …
(https://patterico.com/2024/10/14/when-misinformation-and-rhetoric-has-adverse-consequence/)
Turns out he WAS disseminating truthful information and Dana was the one spreading lies about FEMA’s effectiveness.
This website still has not apologized.
SaveFarris (baf954) — 11/9/2024 @ 4:26 amBecause Trump was talking about withholding funds for failing to follow federal law. Just like the governor of Massachusetts is now claiming she will refuse to assist Trump’s deportation plan.
https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2024/11/08/massachusetts-governor-maura-healey-state-wont-cooperate-mass-deportations/
“We’ll use every tool in the toolbox to counter the administration.” So will he.
SaveFarris (baf954) — 11/9/2024 @ 4:33 amBecause it’s nonsense. What we cited happened. What Trump said was to stop deliberately creating conditions that cause massive wildfires.
Be an adult.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/9/2024 @ 5:49 amhttps://democracy21.org/news/press-releases/ny-times-editorial-for-democracy-to-stay-the-filibuster-must-go
So the left still believes the filibuster must go, right?
NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/9/2024 @ 6:10 am#82 Here’s a brief summary, correct as far as I know:
From what I can tell, the problems on the Yakama reservation are similar to those Seraphine Warren protested against two years ago:
Jim Miller (fc969f) — 11/9/2024 @ 6:48 amDonald Trump flips Nevada
Another one.
lloyd (a84e2d) — 11/9/2024 @ 6:51 am92: Spent some time there when I was younger. Tribal land was often leased to farmers, for example, then worked by labor from south of the border that was permitted in (in those days) to pick crops and then had to leave. But like almost all reservations, there is no tesla there, and the ambitious leave. Guaranteed income plans for tribal members seem to only increase dependency. Great people; not the best system.
Harcourt Fenton Mudd (b3b25c) — 11/9/2024 @ 8:44 amPaul
First of all, if Trump used “Gomez” like you did, you’d be amongst the first to cry racism
Second, where I live everyone knows that illegals with fake documents install the genuine stone and get paid in the mid $20’s and up and are on payroll.
Most of the guys installing the Italian marble my clients kitchen today (yes they get paid OT) don’t speak English- except for one.
My guess is that Trump hotels operators don’t use E-verify and have lots of fake documents on file. Of course the same goes for the Governor of Illinois and Hyatt.
steveg (4d28b3) — 11/9/2024 @ 9:02 amWhy do I bring that up?
Because “mass deportations” are going to be non-existent in certain workplaces. My best advice to Trump would be to start with mass deportation criminals and then pushing immigrants into blue cities and states to blow up their sanctuary sanctimony- get leaders unelected
What I’m finding amazing are all the “How Trump won” MSM stories that include in-depth reporting on constituencies that used to be Democrat strongholds but now aren’t.
Why did we hear nothing of this before November 6th? Were the MSM intentionally gaslighting everyone to buttress Harris’ campaign?
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/9/2024 @ 9:24 am“What Trump said was to stop deliberately creating conditions that cause massive wildfires.”
lmao
Davethulhu (741a5f) — 11/9/2024 @ 9:27 amWhat Trump said was to stop deliberately creating conditions that cause massive wildfire
One of the weirdest new-normal thing these days is power companies turning off power to prevent wildfires. They NEVER EVER did this before, and they weren’t “causing” wildfires the either.
Something has changed external to the power companies themselves. Are they not allowed to clear brush, or cut trees, or otherwise remove kindling from around their facilities?
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/9/2024 @ 9:29 amNo. It figures that a sore loser is just as much a sore winner.
Paul Montagu (953476) — 11/9/2024 @ 9:51 amYeah, it was 3.4% as stated.
Paul Montagu (953476) — 11/9/2024 @ 9:54 amThe election’s over, Rob, you won. You can stop making sh-t up now.
Davethulhu won’t call out what Biden’s FEMA did, but will whatabout about what the Winner might do with disaster aid. Since we’ve heard how the Winner might be a Nazi and fascist and will end democracy, why not just go big with the whatabouts?
lloyd (b32765) — 11/9/2024 @ 9:58 am@njrob@90 The fires Trump was talking about were in national forests.
Nic (120c94) — 11/9/2024 @ 10:31 amAnother criminal wins an election.
Shelley Luther, Dallas salon owner who defied COVID-19 shutdown order, wins election
lloyd (d006b9) — 11/9/2024 @ 10:59 amFires in Southern and Central Coastal CA often originate in USDA and Dept. Interior lands. They tend to work closely with the State of CA and the state often leads opposition to logging, brush cutting.
steveg (4d28b3) — 11/9/2024 @ 11:33 amState and activist group biologists almost always find find endangered salamanders, frogs, lizards etc and there is some doubt whether the finds are organic. See Tecuya Ridge.
The feds do not have to acquiesce, but generally speaking do.
Powerlines started the 200K acres plus Thomas fire and the Camp fire in Paradise CA. Both fires involved fatalities and lawsuits. Power is shut down during wind events now. Wealthy and otherwise “green” people are buying natural gas and diesel generators.
I want a Project Pluto sized nuclear reactor (Project Pluto was a nuclear powered- nuclear armed cruise missile- Russia is supposed to be working on one today) in my backyard, but assume the permit process will be “nasty, brutish and short”
“One of the weirdest new-normal thing these days is power companies turning off power to prevent wildfires. They NEVER EVER did this before, and they weren’t “causing” wildfires the either.
Something has changed external to the power companies themselves. Are they not allowed to clear brush, or cut trees, or otherwise remove kindling from around their facilities?”
Bolding mine. It’s cheaper for the power companies to cut the power during the storms than to do proper maintenance.
Davethulhu (741a5f) — 11/9/2024 @ 11:34 amYeah, it was 3.4% as stated.
If you print $3 trillion in new money, you can get a really good GDP bump.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/9/2024 @ 11:36 amThe fires Trump was talking about were in national forests.
So were some CA towns that burned down.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/9/2024 @ 11:37 amBolding mine. It’s cheaper for the power companies to cut the power during the storms than to do proper maintenance.
It was “poorly maintained” because the normal maintenance is tree-cutting. Again, why was this not a problem in 1970?
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/9/2024 @ 11:40 am“It was “poorly maintained” because the normal maintenance is tree-cutting. Again, why was this not a problem in 1970?”
No, it was “poorly maintained” because it was poorly maintained.
https://www.abc10.com/article/news/local/wildfire/run-to-failure-what-pge-knew-and-when/103-e4654585-1036-47bb-9078-137893ac242d
Davethulhu (741a5f) — 11/9/2024 @ 11:46 amWhat changed was that the utilities (PG&E, SCE (Edison)) were being held liable for the losses caused by their power lines, which traverse state and federal lands. They don’t own the land necessarily.
It’s cheaper to cut power than to be held liable for billions of dollars in damage.
Rip Murdock (73620f) — 11/9/2024 @ 12:39 pmKevinM
I think they believed their own BS
They assumed Hispanics would not vote for a person tough on illegal immigration, who didn’t address them as Latinx
They did not and still do not understand that white women- no college- voted for Trump, not because they are uneducated, but because of the economic situation and the job market they compete in.
Those women are not happy with the schools but have no options, they are not happy with men in the sports their daughters play, they don’t like their boys being treated as problematic because they are male.
They don’t have enough money and Harris wanted to pay 100″s of thousand each for gender transition for inmates like she did in CA
The “Trump is for you Harris is for they/them” Ad was said to be a winner with Black males, Hispanics, white women no college
Last, team D and Team nevertrumper invested all too much energy playing into Trumps strengths: counter puncher and underdog taking on “the swamp” giving him 4 years of daily publicity and a daily forum for his claims of witch hunt.
The voter who rarely followed the news still knew that Trump was in court up and down the East Coast daily.
People like Nathan Wade and Fani Willis and their “cannot recall(s)” around trips to the WH made it easy to believe this actually was a conspiracy, made it easy to dismiss the whole thing as political- like a continuation of impeachment
steveg (4d28b3) — 11/9/2024 @ 12:40 pmI would say a few hundred billion is a bargain to remove the illegal population. How much have we spent on quixotic foreign wars? How much did the Iraq war cost? Maybe our government should spend a little money enforcing the law here.
Unfortunately, when there is mass lawbreaking there must be mass law enforcement. Nobody made Biden/Harris open the border; they chose to do so.
mikeybates (e96a2b) — 11/9/2024 @ 12:50 pmIt is poorly maintained in the wildland because of restrictions. PG&E even at $1B, settled for less than it would have cost if they lost in court.
steveg (4d28b3) — 11/9/2024 @ 12:55 pmSo their current position is: If we can’t maintain powerline corridors without interference, continued liability, we’ll just shut off the power- problem solved. Think of it like it is a CYA combined with an FU
“It is poorly maintained in the wildland because of restrictions.”
What restriction prevented them from replacing worn out parts? Be specific.
Davethulhu (741a5f) — 11/9/2024 @ 12:58 pmFirst news item:
Rip Murdock (fec955) — 11/9/2024 @ 12:59 pmPG&E is a mess because they decided they could save money by not maintaining their infrastructure sufficiently over a long period of time. Then they started being held accountable for the fires and natural gas explosions caused by the poorly maintained infrastructure. It’s too degraded to fix quickly so they are turning power off and they don’t want to cut into their profits, so they are charging us more. Because they are providing unreliable and extremely expensive power, more and more people are putting in solar panels and now they are upset about that as well because there is less demand and fewer people are paying PG&E or are paying far less money. I don’t think they are sustainable in the long run under the current system.
Nic (120c94) — 11/9/2024 @ 1:21 pm@96 Jen Psaki said democrat party should have listened to Bernie Sanders and not Liz Cheney. This turned off the left base appealing to never trumpers who you had instead of minorities and white lower class women and even men! Media did stories on minority men leaving democrat party though more late in campaign. Donor class says no need to change just run Julian Castro to get latinx back! MSM is owned by wealthy who have different interests then working class. My stocks are doing great who cares how much eggs cost if you want donor class money.
asset (9cf9be) — 11/9/2024 @ 1:52 pmComeuppance arrives at Lake Como — or is it France now, George?
George Clooney taking step back from politics after being made a ‘scapegoat’ for Kamala Harris’ loss
lloyd (cbedf9) — 11/9/2024 @ 2:02 pmProgressive governors like Gavin Newsom and Tim Walz are trying to insulate their states from a federal shift to the right. In short, doubling down on the progressive ideas that were routed last Tuesday. Will this be successful, or are they fighting a preference cascade that will overturn their one-party states?
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/9/2024 @ 2:11 pm‘George feels that the backlash he is getting for Kamala losing is not at all warranted,’ a source told DailyMail.com exclusively. ‘He thinks it is completely unfair to try and make him a scapegoat for her loss.
He’s right. She lost because her party was headed in a different direction that the voters wanted. No one looked at climbing prices and said “At least we have gender-fluidity.”
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/9/2024 @ 2:14 pmPG&E is a mess because they decided they could save money by not maintaining their infrastructure sufficiently over a long period of time.
Propaganda.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/9/2024 @ 2:19 pmIt’s going to be interesting to see how far the Trump administration will go to force state and local governments to participate in their deportation scheme. Under the Supreme Court’s “anti-commandeering” doctrine, Congress cannot mandate state (or presumably local) officials to enforce Federal laws: In Printz v. United States, ( 521 U.S. 898 (1997)) the Court said:
Further:
Rip Murdock (fec955) — 11/9/2024 @ 2:19 pmA national emergency declaration would allow federalization of the Guard, at the very least. State and local officials may decline to help, but active resistance is an entirely different matter. Further, the state would be on thin ground criminalizing local authorities’ active assistance.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/9/2024 @ 2:28 pmLOL!
Newsom isn’t defying the California electorate. Steve Garvey wasn’t elected to the US Senate (Schiff 58% Garvey 41%) and Trump didn’t receive California’s electoral votes (Harris 58%, Trump 39%)
Rip Murdock (fec955) — 11/9/2024 @ 2:33 pmProhibiting local law enforcement from cooperating in immigration raids may not necessarily be “criminalized”, but if it is prohibited by state laws it could be enjoined by the courts.
Rip Murdock (fec955) — 11/9/2024 @ 2:36 pm@kevin@121 Court evidence from the numerous San Bruno cases.
Nic (120c94) — 11/9/2024 @ 2:42 pmLadies, Please Check The Mail As Your Handmaid’s Tale Outfit Should Be Arriving Today.
lloyd (cbedf9) — 11/9/2024 @ 2:45 pmNic, as far as the Camp Fire is concerned, the state PUC did not issue a permit to PG&E to replace the aging line until May of 2018 — 6 months before the fire. There are numerous regulatory obstacles that are involved, from environmental rules on road construction, brush clearing and tree cutting along with the financial oversight of capital expenditure that was involved here.
Public utilities are guaranteed a “fair” return on capital, and regulations in part limit capital expenditure to limit ratepayer costs. To say that lines were not maintained ignores WHY they were not maintained.
Since utility profits are highly regulated it is unconvincing to say this was why the lines were not maintained. That argument is mostly left-wing anti-corporate propaganda.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/9/2024 @ 3:20 pm(source: Google AI)
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/9/2024 @ 3:23 pmDemocrats are trying to convince Sotomayor to step down
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/9/2024 @ 3:36 pmNone of which are criminal statutes.
Rip Murdock (fec955) — 11/9/2024 @ 3:43 pmNevada voters also reelected Democrat Senator Jacky Rosen and enshrined the right to an abortion up to 24 weeks in the state constitution.
Boo hiss.
Rip Murdock (fec955) — 11/9/2024 @ 3:59 pmBTW, the first steps to the Trump immigration plan don’t sound unreasonable to me, assuming those steps are actually part of his plan, or the plan his people handed to him.
Deporting every single illegal is where the deficit-busting, labor shortages and inflation happen, IMO. Also, the best estimates for the numbers of illegals is something north of 11 million, around half of which are visa overstays, not brown-skinned wetbacks crossing the southern border. So, really, all of them? Including the overstays? As I see it, that’s extreme.
The markets are anticipating inflation under Trump because, although the Fed just lowered its key rate (and last September), mortgage rates are going the other way.
Not to mention that amping up deficits also stimulates an economy to the point of triggering inflation, as we all saw with the spending during the pandemic.
Paul Montagu (509661) — 11/9/2024 @ 4:15 pm@kevin@128 It wasn’t a permitting issue.
Nic (120c94) — 11/9/2024 @ 4:30 pmThere was a FEMA employee in Lake Placid, Florida who told her survivor assistance team to bypass homes with Trump yard signs, and said employee was sacked. Per the FEMA spokesman, it appears to be a one-off.
Paul Montagu (509661) — 11/9/2024 @ 5:03 pmRob, the statement that Ms. Washington was sacked was directly from the FEMA administrator, as reported by your FoxNews cable TV channel. Is FoxNews now a “leftist source”?
Paul Montagu (509661) — 11/9/2024 @ 5:38 pm@135 What irony. If only there had been a “one-off” take when militias were terrorizing FEMA. That lie made the rounds for the purpose of demonizing MAGA. I’m sure many still believe it. But sure, Ms. Washington is a one-off. Move along, folks.
lloyd (5675f2) — 11/9/2024 @ 6:02 pmNJRob, at 76:
> I notice none of the usual suspects have even acknowledged what the leftists running our government did to open Republicans through FEMA. Why is that?
For me, because i don’t live here and i have other things to do so i’m not always going to respond quickly to things. I’ve been here for twenty years, surely that pattern has been evident.
(1) refusing to provide emergency government aid to individuals harmde by natural disaster based on the individuals’ partisan affiliation and yard signs is just *wrong*. the person doing this should be fired and, ideally, not allowed to work for the government again.
(2) i haven’t seen any evidence that this was anything other than a single bad actor in a position of power. i think the lesson here is “we need better ways to identify those who abuse their power and eject them from positions of power”.
SaveFarris, at 89:
> Because Trump was talking about withholding funds for failing to follow federal law.
Refusing to provide emergency government aid to individuals harmed by natural disaster based on the policies adopted by their state government is just *wrong*. It’s an abuse of power every bit as egregious as the abuse of power by the FEMA person — except it has a much wider scope and loops a much greater number of people into the harm.
NJRob, at 90:
> Because it’s nonsense. What we cited happened. What Trump said was to stop deliberately creating conditions that cause massive wildfires.
If you listen to the video linked in the comment you are responding to, Trump isn’t talking about withholding emergency disaster aid because of Newsom’s creation of conditions that cause wildfire, he was talking about releasing more water from the delta into the aqueduct, which would make the farms in the central valley green — and that’s not where the fires are.
“We’ll withhold emergency disaster relief aid for your home until your state government changes its tune on an entirely unrelated policy issue” is the refrain of a bully, and it’s an abuse of power.
aphrael (be1cf4) — 11/9/2024 @ 6:03 pmWhy did The Daily Wire break this story? Do you think it’s likely the source brought this to FEMA brass, who then blew it off?
lloyd (5675f2) — 11/9/2024 @ 6:05 pmhttps://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/outrage-as-iraq-stands-poised-to-lower-the-age-of-consent-for-girls-to-nine/ar-AA1tGvfQ
If true, why are we dealing with these societies that have values antithetical to our own?
NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/9/2024 @ 6:22 pm> If true, why are we dealing with these societies that have values antithetical to our own?
Because they control a large quantity of a substance essential to modern economies. Sure would be nice if we could manage to reduce our economy’s dependence on that substance.
aphrael (be1cf4) — 11/9/2024 @ 6:26 pm@139 Funny how those who believe electing Trump would be the end of the Republic think it’s wrong when federal workers treat Trump supporters as if it was true.
lloyd (b32765) — 11/9/2024 @ 6:31 pmAphrael,
So you’re on board with using all our natural resources to weaken these evil regimes?
NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/9/2024 @ 6:34 pmRIP NASCAR Hall of Famer and 3-time winner of the Daytona 500 Bobby Allison (86).
Rip Murdock (fec955) — 11/9/2024 @ 6:55 pmPresident-elect Trump wins Arizona.
Rip Murdock (fec955) — 11/9/2024 @ 6:59 pmGallego defeats Lake in Arizona Senate race
Rip Murdock (fec955) — 11/9/2024 @ 7:02 pmI prefer we use all of our military resources to destroy these evil regimes.
Rip Murdock (fec955) — 11/9/2024 @ 7:04 pmA) It’s been a while since there was a domestic war.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 11/9/2024 @ 7:16 pmB) A few hundred billion is only the direct cost, the indirect costs will be an order of magnitude more than the 3rd of a trillion dollars. The non defense discretionary spending is less than $800B, so where do you cut ~$75-100B a year?
C) The collision of tariffs and subtracting millions of workers will make the last inflation bubble look like a paradise.
“I prefer we use all of our military resources to destroy these evil regimes.”
The regime in Iraq is the one we put there.
Davethulhu (741a5f) — 11/9/2024 @ 7:19 pmleverage I don’t like is always an abuse of power
steveg (4d28b3) — 11/9/2024 @ 7:29 pmHerr Klink emerges from Der Bunker!
lloyd (b9f00b) — 11/9/2024 @ 7:38 pmKemi Badenoch on fire. Britain’s conservatives have a worthy leader.
lloyd (b9f00b) — 11/9/2024 @ 8:02 pmAP Race Call: Donald Trump wins Arizona
Another one for the Winner.
lloyd (b9f00b) — 11/9/2024 @ 8:21 pm@135 Someone under Marn’i Washington filed a complaint with the DHS about her edict to skip houses with Trump signage. But, it took a leak to The Daily Wire for corrective action to be taken. So no, Paul, this is not a one-off. Other heads need to roll.
lloyd (b9f00b) — 11/9/2024 @ 8:32 pmAre there other Ms. Washingtons giving similar orders? Please show me, lloyd.
Paul Montagu (509661) — 11/9/2024 @ 9:10 pmAP Race Call: Donald Trump wins Arizona
That’s a wrap. 312-226
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/9/2024 @ 9:24 pmGallego defeats Lake in Arizona Senate race
If a Republican cannot win statewide in Arizona, the party should be ashamed.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/9/2024 @ 9:25 pmAlso, the best estimates for the numbers of illegals is something north of 11 million,
That was 2021-2022. The current estimate is 20 million.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/9/2024 @ 9:27 pmCite it. That’s a big jump in two short years.
Paul Montagu (509661) — 11/9/2024 @ 9:33 pmSo, Klink says it’ll cost trillions to deport these people who are here due to the incredible malfeasance of our government. I guess we should give up. Just open our borders and let everyone in, and offer them free money and housing to make their stay easier.
Or not.
ICYMI, one of the prime reasons that Trump won all those Hispanic-majority counties and districts was the absolute anger of Hispanic citizens ate the newcomers who were destroying their neighborhoods, undercutting their wages, driving up rents and generally using them as human shields.
I’d prefer a reasoned and humane sorting out, with people who have civic ties amnestied. BUt if that costs too much, well, don’t let the door hit you, etc.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/9/2024 @ 9:40 pmYou’re evading, Kevin. I asked you a simple question, which is to cite your claim about this 20 million.
Paul Montagu (509661) — 11/9/2024 @ 9:43 pmBiden allowed in 4.6 million people — far more than is actually allowed — and unknown numbers of people entered without approval. That he called those admitted “legal” and gave them work permits does not mean that they entered under the law. EOs are not laws.
Trump intends to remove most of these new chums. He’ll have a lot of support.
How the Democrats Bungled the Politics of Immigration
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/9/2024 @ 9:52 pmLaws allow the executive branch to direct the government.
You might remember a guy doing that, and promising to do it more. stupid Hitler signed almost as many as Obama in 8 years, and 50% more than Biden.
If it’s legal when your guy does it, it’s still legal.
You’re confusing legal with ethical.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 11/9/2024 @ 10:01 pmYou see, that’s the problem, Kevin. How can anyone agree on a policy when you can’t even agree on the facts?
Paul Montagu (509661) — 11/9/2024 @ 10:34 pmThe 4.6 million don’t add to the 11 million estimated illegals, because they were “allowed in”. Once again, you claimed “the current estimate is 20 million”, so cite it.
In AZ, Trump won and Lake lost, and CyberNinjas isn’t around to contest Lake’s loss. Does this mean Trump will reward Lake for her loyalty or toss her aside?
Paul Montagu (509661) — 11/9/2024 @ 10:51 pm@158 Latinx split ticket for Gallego. Every day in az 100+ latinx turn 18 if you count dreamers 130+ also california democrats are moving here because of high rent following the republicans who started coming 30 years ago.
asset (32b102) — 11/10/2024 @ 12:36 amExplain with your math. stupid Hitler says cost is unimportant and Miller is in charge and said half a trillion.
You don’t provide an alternative, hand wave over the impact.
Own your sh!t.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 11/10/2024 @ 4:34 amIf I had the money, I’d leave this country and never come back.
Atomic Amish (f5ded1) — 11/10/2024 @ 6:28 amYou see, that’s the problem, Kevin. How can anyone agree on a policy when you can’t even agree on the facts?
Biden refused to report or document the facts, instead using bureaucratic mumbo-jumbo to obfuscate what was going on.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/10/2024 @ 7:39 am“Latinx”
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/09/opinion/democrats-identity-politics.html
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/10/2024 @ 7:43 amThis is how the extreme far left defends massive illegal immigration. Looking at the laws, refusing to enforce them, and then saying they have the power to ignore the law.
Same folks then tell us the GOP should have agreed to a new law that would legalize tons of illegal immigrants, in exchange for… the same situation where far left democrats simply refuse to honor the laws on the books.
It is no surprise that most voters look at this vitriol and fully recognize the activist far left class like Klink, the guys insisting on enforcement of weird pronoun demands, simply hate us. We don’t need a government that is hostile to our country, but that was on the ballot.
That’s why Kamala ran a campaign based on hiding her views. Her supporters hate us, her first choice is Walz, an extremist and fiscal disaster, and we’re supposed to fall for an Obama style ‘all things to all people if I just don’t tell you anything’ campaign.
The sooner democrats return to their roots of the 1990s and triangulate in a way that shows they are receptive to the American people, the sooner they get power. Listening to boomers who don’t intend to pay for the consequences of their policies, based entirely on harming America, is not going to work. Demographic manipulation of the voter pool doesn’t work, because the Hispanic voters aren’t different from the rest of us. We want our families to have a government that doesn’t hate our guts.
Dustin (4b502c) — 11/10/2024 @ 8:01 amYou see, that’s the problem, Kevin. How can anyone agree on a policy when you can’t even agree on the facts?
If we are waiting for everyone to agree on “facts”, we will never do anything on any topic. I guess if you cast all opposing views out and demand that only YOUR “facts” should be considered, then you can get “agreement.”
Or maybe, that’s what elections are about. And their consequences.
But there’s this, from the WSJ:
Now, 8 million new illegals are a LOT, and all should be deported. Trump says 20 million, but I know you will never believe a word he says, so we are back to disputing “facts.” Yet the President-elect is going to be making the decisions, so you shouldn’t discard what he says as immaterial.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/10/2024 @ 8:03 am> the guys insisting on enforcement of weird pronoun demands, simply hate us.
Oh, nonsense.
I don’t hate you, Dustin, but I do think that if you were refer to my trans housemates by the gender they were assigned at birth, you would be a jerk, and I wish you wouldn’t do it.
I really don’t understand how you reach the conclusion that people holding my view of politeness hate you.
aphrael (be1cf4) — 11/10/2024 @ 8:31 amKevin, I don’t know why you keep refusing to back up your claims, but you said “the current estimate is 20 million” illegals and all I’m getting is filibustering, not a credible cite for that number.
Paul Montagu (509661) — 11/10/2024 @ 8:32 amThe WSJ link is a good recounting, but that’s as far as it goes. “Allowed in” means they entered with our permission, and we can agree that too many were let in to the country. Immigration was always Biden’s area of least competence, and he and his party paid dearly for not listening to Americans’ legitimate concerns.
NJROb, at 144:
Yes and no.
I think the long term strategic interest of the US is better served by holding our oil supplies in reserve so that when the rest of the world runs out we still have some. And I think the long term strategic interest of the US also requires us to find ways to reduce our dependence on oil so that when the world as a whole runs out, we aren’t f—ed.
But as long as (a) we’re not interfering with lands that we have otherwise said ought to be protected from development, and (b) the oil extraction, distribution, and processing infrastructure is set up with reasonable environmental safeguards, i’m not per se opposed to increasing production. But at the same time, i’m skeptical that those environmental protections are good enough; things like https://www.baaqmd.gov/about-air-quality/incidents-and-advisories/chevron-refinery-fire make me have very strong not-in-anyones-back-yard feelings about refineries, at the very least.
aphrael (be1cf4) — 11/10/2024 @ 8:36 am> The sooner democrats return to their roots of the 1990s and triangulate in a way that shows they are receptive to the American people, the sooner they get power.
I’m not convinced the Democratic party is salvageable at this point and would support replacing it with a new party.
aphrael (be1cf4) — 11/10/2024 @ 8:37 am>I’d prefer a reasoned and humane sorting out,
One of the reasons we need process here is to make sure that the people we are deporting are actually illegal immigrants. All human processes make mistakes, there *will* be citizens and legal immigrants accidentally and unintentionally caught up in this in even the best execution of the plan, there *must* be some process where those people can say WTF NOT ME??? and get readmitted to the country and/or avoid deportation in the first place.
aphrael (be1cf4) — 11/10/2024 @ 8:39 am>If a Republican cannot win statewide in Arizona, the party should be ashamed.
Kari Lake was a uniquely bad candidate.
aphrael (be1cf4) — 11/10/2024 @ 8:40 am> Why did The Daily Wire break this story? Do you think it’s likely the source brought this to FEMA brass, who then blew it off?
I have absolutely no idea why this was taken to the daily wire. is it possible the source talked to the fema brass first? yes. is it possible they didn’t? yes. as far as i can tell, strong attachment to either answer as *true* rather than *possible* requires one to assume facts that aren’t in evidence.
aphrael (be1cf4) — 11/10/2024 @ 8:42 amKevin, do you even read your links?
The 20 million referred to the number Trump wanted to deport, it’s not a confirmation that there are 20 million illegals in the country, a number that he most likely pulled from his ass. The pertinent sentence here is, “It isn’t known precisely how many people are living in the U.S. illegally.”
No, Kevin, and this is why you’re such a disingenuous asshole. I’m not claiming ownership of facts, I’m asking you to provide some supportable facts and, so far, you’re doing the same thing as last time, when you lied that I was “OK with the Steele Memorandum that Hillary was flogging.” Also, I don’t know what you mean by “cast all opposing views out” except for your own cussedness.
Paul Montagu (509661) — 11/10/2024 @ 8:45 amNo, Kevin, and this is why you’re such a disingenuous asshole.
And again you violate the terms of service here. Why do you think you’re special?
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/10/2024 @ 8:51 amPaul,
1) I noted that it was just Trump saying that, but really you demand links then you dispute the links. This is a troll’s game, and it’s tiring.
2) What is illegal? Is someone who crosses the border illegally, is caught, but then paroled through presidential whim “illegal”? Many would say yes, and their parole was itself illegal (and can be revoked at any time anyway).
3) Biden allowed in almost 5 million people, mostly contrary to the written law. To say those are “legal” immigrants is mostly sophistry.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/10/2024 @ 8:56 amKari Lake was a uniquely bad candidate.
Twice.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/10/2024 @ 9:05 amI’m not convinced the Democratic party is salvageable at this point and would support replacing it with a new party.
Interesting. Both parties are a bit lost, imho, but the prescriptions I hear from the Democrat side seem to be missing the point.
There was a time when the Democrats were the party of the working class, and maybe the underclass, solid on civil rights, supportive of abortion and maybe a bit divided on foreign policy and the military. They saw tariffs as a way to protect union jobs from low-cost and slave labor overseas, not to mention pollution-friendly regimes.
Think “Dick Gephardt.” They weren’t particularly left-wing but were suspicious of (if not hostile to) Wall Street and big business; they were champions of Main Street.
Somehow they drifted away from this, seeking to lock up identity groups as voting blocs, courting Wall Street donors, and basically forgetting about the majority of their former constituents who didn’t fit into one of their cubbyholes.
Fast forward to today, where all of the Hispanic-majority counties in Texas voted for Trump. I think that the GOP is digging a hole with Trump, but they are digging slower than the Democrats have been doing….
I don’t see the Democrats succeeding by going back to Clintonian centrism. A “Me, too!” party isn’t very inspiring. They need to refocus on the working and underclass and stop pandering to microgroups (really, how many trans people are there?) in ways that offend the vast sea of normal people.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/10/2024 @ 9:22 amYou mirror my thoughts of the GOP. Trump’s fans are cocky, and the blame shifting and anger when things don’t go smoothly will probably make 2020 look like a walk in the park.
Similar, and really unfortunate for the concept of democracy and reason, that both political parties are run by their own elites in a way that prevents any natural frustration of the elite agenda.
Dustin (4b502c) — 11/10/2024 @ 9:27 am> Interesting.
On the day after the 2020 election, I looked at the election results and openly said that I thought the most likely outcome on January 21, 2025 was that Trump would be President with majorities in both houses of Congress.
If I could see it, then the Democratic Party leadership should have been able to see it.
So either (a) they didn’t see it, in which case what good are they? or (b) they saw it and failed to do what was needed to prevent it, in which case what good are they?
I am *furious* at the party establishment.
>They need to refocus on the working and underclass and stop pandering to microgroups (really, how many trans people are there?) in ways that offend the vast sea of normal people.
We (the left and the center-left broadly) spent eight years attacking the (absolutely awful) messenger and the people who listened rather than *listening to them and trying to understand why they were angry and attempting to provide solutions to the underlying problems*.
Tuesday night I wrote up something and posted it to reddit and facebook – https://www.reddit.com/r/learhpa_diary/comments/1gku8r9/election_day/ – where I absolutely railed on the left for *not listening to what the people supporting the trumpist revolutionary movement were saying*.
This disaster lies squarely in *our* laps. When people are loudly complaining about serious problems, one party is acknowledging the problems and providing inane and ridiculous answers, and the other party is denying the existence of the problems — what would you *expect* to happen?
aphrael (be1cf4) — 11/10/2024 @ 9:38 am> Think “Dick Gephardt.”
Gephardt lost, of course, and when the party analyzed the situation it was in in the 1980s, it concluded that this kind of populism was *one of the reasons* they kept losing, and that’s how we got Bill Clinton.
aphrael (be1cf4) — 11/10/2024 @ 9:42 amThis disaster lies squarely in *our* laps. When people are loudly complaining about serious problems, one party is acknowledging the problems and providing inane and ridiculous answers, and the other party is denying the existence of the problems — what would you *expect* to happen?
Simple answers are always preferred to complex answers — and sometimes even work — and telling the voters that their problems are imaginary is even worse. Focusing on things that are well outside the mainstream while ignoring the price of eggs would seem suicidal.
It also did not help that the administration got caught lying about their first candidate’s health. What else are they lying about? In an election where their BEST argument is that their opponent is a lying jerk, getting caught lying about something important takes a lot of wind out of the sails.
What I see though, is a battle in the Democrat Party between the Warren/Bernie/AOC economic progressives (aka socialists) and the social warriors when the real problem is that Trump is stealing their center.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/10/2024 @ 9:49 amGephardt lost, of course, and when the party analyzed the situation it was in in the 1980s, it concluded that this kind of populism was *one of the reasons* they kept losing
And yet, if you look at Trumpism, Mr Gephardt seems redeemed.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/10/2024 @ 9:50 amAs far as what is normal, I offer this from Andrew Sullivan:
I think he’ll get letters.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/10/2024 @ 9:54 amLeft wing v. right wing populism. 36 years is a long time in politics.
Rip Murdock (fec955) — 11/10/2024 @ 10:01 amEventually liberal becomes conservative.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/10/2024 @ 10:08 amWhen the race was called for Gallego, he was ahead by less than 50,000 votes.
Rip Murdock (fec955) — 11/10/2024 @ 10:14 am> When the race was called for Gallego, he was ahead by less than 50,000 votes.
Right. So a normal Republican could have won this easily. Lake, however, was a bad candidate and so didn’t.
aphrael (be1cf4) — 11/10/2024 @ 10:19 amArizona already has one Democratic Senator, so it’s not an anomaly. If she was so bad why was Gallego ahead by 5 or more points rather than 1.5?
Rip Murdock (fec955) — 11/10/2024 @ 10:32 am…….why wasn’t Gallego ahead by 5 or more……..
Rip Murdock (fec955) — 11/10/2024 @ 10:33 amGoing out on a limb and saying lots of government cell phones involved in the Trump prosecutions are going through “previously scheduled” wipes.
steveg (4d28b3) — 11/10/2024 @ 10:45 amNathan Wade seemed to be able to schedule his memory loss.
When we study the Biden Executive Branch operations, I think we will see less Executive and more branch. Am interested to learn how the branch wielded its power
…….why wasn’t Gallego ahead by 5 or more……..
For the same reason that Harris wasn’t ahead by 2.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/10/2024 @ 10:50 amA better GOP candidate would have outpolled Trump rather than trailed him.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/10/2024 @ 10:51 am> If she was so bad why was Gallego ahead by 5 or more points rather than 1.5?
Biden won in 2020 but Trump won today.
There was a fall off in Democratic party support and a rise in Republican support across the board this election.
But Arizona also passed a state constitutional amendment allowing abortion; is it any surprise that the person who supported the restoration of the repressive mid-19th-century abortion law *lost*, and that she ran substantially behind Trump?
aphrael (be1cf4) — 11/10/2024 @ 10:56 amHow Lake performed relative to Trump’s performance is irrelevant to her Senate race.
Rip Murdock (14415d) — 11/10/2024 @ 11:02 am> How Lake performed relative to Trump’s performance is irrelevant to her Senate race.
Not at all.
In a year where Republicans improved over Democrats across the board, Lake still failed to get across the finish line. Why? Because of things *unique to her candidacy* that made her stand out from the more successful Republicans.
A Republican who was more moderate on abortion, or who didn’t *attack the memory of John McCain in his home state*, or who didn’t spout nonsense about stolen elections, could have defeated Gallego. Lake couldn’t.
aphrael (be1cf4) — 11/10/2024 @ 11:09 amNikki Haley’s Trump’s triangulation flops :
The only person who thought that Nikki Haley would serve in a second Trump administration was Haley herself.
Rip Murdock (14415d) — 11/10/2024 @ 11:11 amJustice Sonia Sotomayor Is Expected to Remain on Supreme Court
Rip Murdock (14415d) — 11/10/2024 @ 11:15 amAnother possible headline: The Prime Minister of the United Kingdom is nit expected to resign.
Not only does Sonia Sotomayor not want to retire, it’s probably too late to replace her by Noon January 3, 2025.
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 11/10/2024 @ 12:36 pmaphrael (be1cf4) — 11/10/2024 @ 9:38 am
One party was attacking inane and ridiculous and even harmful “solutions” to onn-problems offered (in fact quietly insisted upon) by the other party while inventing other”problems” to which it proposed bad “remedies” (which could be described by them as “common sense solutions”) while the other party was afraid to make any arguments on issues unless it already polled well – which only “democracy” and “abortion” did – and then they told very big lies about what the other party or its candidates supported or would do (because being opposed to what are lies polls better than being against what is real position of the other aarty)
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 11/10/2024 @ 12:53 pmNom someebody else most likely gave it to him – some sort of anti-immigration lobby or government workers union.
People don’t realize that the bigger the number it is, the more insignificant the numbers are because the effect on society is a given i.e. if it takes 20 million people and not, say, 11 million to create the current “problem” the less serious problem it is.
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 11/10/2024 @ 1:01 pmWell, stupid Hitler isn’t just talking about “illegal” immigrants, he’s also talking about legal immigrants he doesn’t like. Those animals eating cats and dogs, I mean it’s catfish and hotdogs, but the thing about stupid Hitler is he’s immensely stupid.
November 9, 1923-Jan 6 2021 samey same
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 11/10/2024 @ 1:29 pmThe Bund, incels, KKK, all the best people.
Hey, bitch, we control your bodies! Guess what, guys win again
Your body. My choice. Dumb Whore
Greetings. You have been selected to pick cotton at the nearest plantation. Be ready at 12AM, November 13th sharp with your belongings. Are executive slaves will come get you in a brown van. Be prepared to be searched down once you have entered the plantation.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 11/10/2024 @ 3:24 pmIn NYC, migrants are being housed in $400 per night hotels and given $1400 a month for groceries. Assuming that’s for a family of four, that comes out to about $40,000 per year per person. So that’s about $500 billion a year.
John Galt (9ac6b0) — 11/10/2024 @ 3:39 pmHere are some estimates on illegal immigrants from Pew Research.
One surprise: “California (-120,000) is the only state whose unauthorized immigrant population decreased.”
(FWIW, I consider Pew “very trustworthy” — but they are tackling a difficult problem.)
Jim Miller (ce918d) — 11/10/2024 @ 3:40 pmAlternatively, the Senate can waive the filibuster rule for Presidential appointments.
Rip Murdock (14415d) — 11/10/2024 @ 4:01 pmMore:
Rip Murdock (14415d) — 11/10/2024 @ 4:07 pmSemantics.
The reality is illegal immigration is destroying our way of life as is our government destroying the value of the dolar.
Trump won because the people who think changing the name of something changes its reality lost.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/10/2024 @ 4:30 pmRip Murdock (14415d) — 11/10/2024 @ 4:01 pm
It already doesn’t exist for all nominations, or rather cloture ncn be invoked by a majority vote, That still means nominations can take up time. Votes are actually still held mostly by unanimous consent.
In this Congress, there was a senator who put a hold on all military promotions. Then finlly a deal was reached.
https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3917643/senate-confirms-more-than-6000-military-leaders-for-promotions-new-positions
The Senate still ffunctions a great deall by Senatorial courtesy,
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 11/10/2024 @ 5:17 pm211. Does Pew offer a clue as to what reduces the number?
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 11/10/2024 @ 5:25 pmThis coming from the guy who violated the terms of service for lying, for smearing a commenter by dishonestly asserting that I was “OK with the Steele Memorandum that Hillary was flogging”. You’re the last person who should be whining about the posting rules, Kevin. Why do you think you’re so special, that you can make claims with impunity, without providing anything in support? Is it because your assertions are bogus? To me, the answer is yes. Why not just provide a link when asked or be honest for once and say you made it up?
BTW, DHS had an estimate of 11 million in 2022, well into Biden’s presidency, but the 8 million number in the WSJ was for the entirety of Biden’s term. In that context, 11+8 ≠ 20. Further, 11+8 ≠ 19 because a significant but unquantified amount of that 8 million is incorporated in that 11 million number.
This link is a fact check of Rubio’s unfounded claim that there are 20 to 30 million illegals in the country, but it was useful because they provided multiple numbers from multiple sources…
If I were to pick one, I’d go with Camarota’s 14 million number as of last March, which is bad but isn’t the tremendously worse 20 million. Being off by 6 million persons is relevant when talking about prescriptions.
On top of the mess Biden created with his MyPillow soft immigration policies, his DHS has no provided no update to their 2022 illegal immigration estimate which, to me, is just as scandalous, because they have a duty report to The People what is going on, and it begs the question about whether they’re withholding this bad news for political reasons.
No, Kevin. You said “the current estimate is 20 million”, and still haven’t provided any link in support of your claim. It’s the opposite of trolling to question where and how you came by your declarative statement, which you passed off as fact, not your personal opinion.
If you want to talk about “sophistry”, yes, your points 2 and 3 are exactly that, given your efforts to redefine “illegal” to suit your political agenda.
Psst, Rip. I now see why you’ve butted heads with Kevin so much. You question his assertions a little bit and all kinds of defensiveness and bullsh-t come out in response, but never a direct answer.
Paul Montagu (509661) — 11/10/2024 @ 5:53 pmWell, it sounds like you live in an alternative reality, because illegal immigration isn’t destroying my way of life and the value of our dollar is rock solid. How exactly is illegal immigration destroying your way of life?
Paul Montagu (509661) — 11/10/2024 @ 6:07 pmThis coming from the guy who violated the terms of service for lying, for smearing a commenter by dishonestly asserting that I was “OK with the Steele Memorandum that Hillary was flogging”
You have repeatedly been shown to have come very close to that. Maybe you didn’t say the exact words, or weren’t as strident as we ALL remember, but you did it.
This will be the last time I ever engage with you, Paul.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/10/2024 @ 6:08 pmBarring an unexpected apology on your part.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/10/2024 @ 6:08 pmIt already doesn’t exist for all nominations, or rather cloture ncn be invoked by a majority vote, That still means nominations can take up time. Votes are actually still held mostly by unanimous consent.
There is debate after cloture, but it is now limited to a few hours. Originally it was 30 hours, but the Democrats started taking the full 30 hours for each and every nominee and McConnell had enough.
This means, however, that the Democrats can now hammer judges through like McConnell did,
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/10/2024 @ 6:23 pmFrom the guy who chooses to live about as far away from the southern border as possible.
lloyd (8ddcc3) — 11/10/2024 @ 6:30 pmHawaii, Alaska, North Dakota, Maine, Minnesota? Lots of places farther away than Seattle, but major cities have more immigrants than rural communities…because they’re cities, more people=more people.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 11/10/2024 @ 6:47 pmWhen I’m not thinking about me, I see that illegal immigration has an effect on wages in the entry level job space. I don’t make entry level wages but I see and work with people that are earning those wages every day. I pay those wages. One of the reasons people think we need to have a $20HR minimum wage in CA is because there is an ongoing deluge of people willing to work “on the books” but under false docs. CA home- light commercial construction has an oversupply of people looking for work, and very few are legal. There have been brief periods of under supply. One period several years back was when the marijuana growers were offering $15-17HR cash. Suddenly there was a period of competition and on the books employers needed to push the wage upwards of $18-19HR.
Newcomers are highly motivated to get a job quickly- most show up owing friends, relatives for the coyote which can be over $10,000 which they need to begin paying on immediately. Your average high school grad African American has next to zero chance of competing for an entry level non-union construction job in Southern California. The big lie is these are jobs Americans won’t do- when the truth is that the deck is totally stacked against entry. The wage is low, you need to speak and understand Spanish all day, you’ll need to learn your new job in a foreign language. Its how I learned, I was the 16 year old white kid working the orchards with a group of 9 Mexicans and me- the guy who hired me thought I would not last the week (I’m stubborn)
I benefit from the low wage pressure- it means I can pay a very fair market rate and keep the high achievers- I don’t have to pay as well as I do, but doing so means I can pick who I want. But there is also a cap on how much I can pay, how much I can charge for labor because my competition is passing low wage savings on to the end user as a means to winning competitive bids- I’d like to pay more and charge more, but I can’t- my edge has to be quality, skill and productivity- to the point where I go into negotiations known as best bidder
steveg (4d28b3) — 11/10/2024 @ 7:17 pmSounds like the real problem is employers breaking the law by hiring illegal workers.
Davethulhu (741a5f) — 11/10/2024 @ 8:54 pm@185 it wasn’t somehow. It was democrats asking for donor class money to fight overwhelming republican money. Demorats I need donor money not representing the working class. Until trump’s populism where could they go.
asset (c0e784) — 11/10/2024 @ 10:05 pmSounds like the real problem is employers breaking the law by hiring illegal workers.
Who, exactly, is policing this?
Contractors who are scrupulous also tend to be outbid a lot, so the market favors the illegals.
In SoCal, cities refuse to police immigration. The Feds haven’t been doing it lately (to the point where they are printing green cards faster than Topps).
And really, some of those Hispanic workers are here legally (or at least the feds pretend they are), so it’s hard to tell. In South Texas, some of the Hispanics asked why they voted for Trump said that they couldn’t get work at a wage they could feed their family.
So, again, who is policing this?
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/10/2024 @ 10:40 pmFile this under Elections Have Consequences, because Trump just picked Mr. Homan to be his border czar, the guy who was an architect to the immoral practice of separating kids from their parents.
Paul Montagu (509661) — 11/10/2024 @ 10:44 pmYou keep saying things like this, what the hell are you saying? Are they legal, it’s binary?
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 11/10/2024 @ 10:46 pm@ 230:
Immoral? The govt does this all the time WRT mothers who test positive for drugs in maternity wards.
Child Protective Services takes kids away from parents routinely.
(and to a lesser extent children from a divorce)
Never mind feds have done this under other presidents.
Joe (584b3d) — 11/11/2024 @ 3:24 amI am not sure how this man is more or less moral than others.
The far left parrots AOC’s claim that because the democrats deemed it so, millions of illegal aliens are here legally because of asylum.
The word for this is fraud.
Klink shows us a really good example of how despite this being an outrageous betrayal of American voters, the left will themselves pretend to be outraged this is even discussed in a normal manner. ‘What the hell are you saying?!? omg they are legal!!!’
This is that gaslighting thing, boomers.
I am amazed Trump was a viable candidate, until I remember what he ran against. If you hate America, which is what Klink is actually expressing if you unpeel one layer, you realize what the populist movement was about. In fact, it’s not hard at all for moderate politicians to adapt to reality. Step one definitely is a reform to immigration policies.
First, we have to end birthright citizenship and deport asylum fraud illegals first, then other illegals. We have to ensure Americans get a living wage, not through Bernie Sanders ideology, but simply restoring the free market, unimpeded by illegal immigration. That would also dramatically improve the quality of life in our country.
If Trump is serious, which frankly is an open question, he can’t repeat the BS of 2017 and 2018.
Dustin (4b502c) — 11/11/2024 @ 6:34 am@230 “the immoral practice of separating kids from their parents.”
Paul, why are you in favor of carving out exceptions for migrants breaking our laws?
Any American parent who breaks the law or puts their kids in danger or sends them across international borders with a pretend relative would be separated from their kids.
lloyd (91f09a) — 11/11/2024 @ 7:14 am“No one is above the law”. That means parents too.
SaveFarris (7fbc6f) — 11/11/2024 @ 8:00 amAny American parent who breaks the law or puts their kids in danger or sends them across international borders with a pretend relative would be separated from their kids.
I’m sure there are people who oppose jail for criminal parents, too. I have no doubt it comes up in the “no cash bail” discussion.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/11/2024 @ 8:02 amFirst, we have to end birthright citizenship
I would be opposed to this, and it is probably unconstitutional. The 14th Amendment was written at a time when the former Confederacy planned to deprive former slaves and their offspring of citizenship rights as they had not been born citizens or born TO citizens.
Eventually they managed to get around that for a time when the courts stopped enforcing the 14th Amendment (see Cruikshank), but Jim Crow was not about saying they weren’t citizens, only that states could do whatever they wanted to some citizens.
I don’t really see the problem with birthright citizenship. What I see a problem with is treating the citizen children of illegals as anchors. Deport the parents and allow them to take their kids, but the children will always have the right of re-entry if they can arrange it later.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/11/2024 @ 8:09 amI’ve said that I was going to be unhappy no matter who won. I was right. Two items:
1. Trump wants the Senate to rubber-stamp all his nominees, or better yet go into recess so he doesn’t need their vote at all. I guess it’s legal, but it’s as noxious as the NPVC or court-packing.
2. Elise Stefanik for UN Ambassador. The victory of bloody-mindedness.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/11/2024 @ 8:16 amSemi-rhetorical question:
I understand why the Democrats didn’t talk about how and why their message was missing the voters that ended up flipping to Trump, but why did the media suddenly see it all after the election, and not before?
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/11/2024 @ 9:00 amOn Veteran’s Day, I remember Bill Mauldin:
I have two of his books, Up Front and Bill Mauldin’s Army.
This, from the first, may surprise some: “I didn’t really believe in atrocity stories until I had been in France awhile.” pp. 204-205
But that change, late in the war was not unusual. There was a similar shift in British opinion.
Jim Miller (a0c878) — 11/11/2024 @ 9:13 am#218 Sammy – Pew doesn’t say why illegals are, net, leaving California. At a guess, I’d say they are leaving for the same reasons that others are, high crime, high cost of living, and so forth.
Here’s a Politico article on why people have been leaving California.
Jim Miller (a0c878) — 11/11/2024 @ 9:37 amWe’d have to amend the constitution. Constitutional amendments are not unconstitutional.
I’m more interested in your moral reasoning here. If you illegally immigrate to our country, because one political party is incentivizing it at tremendous expense to Americans, and the reason for this scheme is that children born here will vote for that one political party, why not simply solve the problem by ending the practice?
The USA should be more like other countries, both in border enforcement, and in citizenship. If I sneak into the most desirable European country a day before my kid is born, should they become citizens of that country, or should they be Americans? The answer is pretty clear to me.
“What I see a problem with is treating the citizen children of illegals as anchors. […]the children will always have the right of re-entry if they can arrange it later.”
Bear in mind this isn’t free. This is costing the people here now, and they are voting accordingly. The world has changed dramatically from 100 years ago.
Immigration to the USA is highly desirable, and the USA needs legal immigration. The only way that this works is if we make it work. We can be more choosey. Anyone coming in illegally, “anchor baby” or not, should never be allowed to be a citizen. Ever, period, simple as that. They should never be eligible for any benefit from the US government other than rehabilitation in prison. That should be a constitutional amendment. There is a clear beneficiary to this policy: legal immigrants.
Tall walls and wide gates. We should make legal immigration to the USA much easier and straightforward, with the provision that illegally entering the country is a permanent bar. I’ll be told this is unfair. That’s right, it’s unfair.
Dustin (4b502c) — 11/11/2024 @ 9:39 am👍
Rip Murdock (36978f) — 11/11/2024 @ 9:40 amNot their problem; enforcing federal immigration laws aren’t their responsibility. See here.
Rip Murdock (36978f) — 11/11/2024 @ 9:52 amBirthright citizenship is common in the Americas, rare, elsewhere.
Jim Miller (a0c878) — 11/11/2024 @ 9:53 amThe USA should be more like other countries, both in border enforcement, and in citizenship. If I sneak into the most desirable European country a day before my kid is born, should they become citizens of that country, or should they be Americans? The answer is pretty clear to me.
The moral case goes back to the freedmen. Without citizenship, freed slaves would have had no civil rights, and the 14th amendment was intended to stop states from asserting they were not citizens. That they managed to do otherwise (with the willing connivance of later politicians) does not change that.
The only exception made involved children of foreign diplomats. If we start adding exceptions, well, it’s easy to extend a list once started (see LGBTQ+). The current rule is simple, clear, and mostly provable. It works.
The problem you observe is not “citizenship” but “anchor babies.” The child being a citizen is not a huge burden in and of itself. We let people fly into this country for a week, birth a child, and we give the kid a passport as the family flies home. The child of an illegal immigrant is at least the child of an IMMIGRANT, as opposed to the tourist’s safety-valve birth.
If we find we mush deport the parent(s) there is nothing in the Constitution that says we must allow the child to stay. We just cannot deprive it of citizenship. It can remain a citizen in Guatemala and return later when it has the agency to do so.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/11/2024 @ 10:00 amBirthright citizenship is common in the Americas, rare, elsewhere.
Elsewhere they have other rules that we do not have, such as citizenship-by-descent. You cannot get US citizenship by claiming long after birth that your grandfather was an American. In much of Europe that kind of retroactive citizenship is possible.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/11/2024 @ 10:04 amNot their problem; enforcing federal immigration laws aren’t their responsibility
I didn’t say it was. But they COULD report illegal workers to ICE. They could treat EMPLOYMENT of illegals as a civil infraction, with a fine or otehr penalty (e.g. exclusion from state contracts).
They don’t and so there is no current local (or federal) enforcement of work rules.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/11/2024 @ 10:07 amRip Murdock (36978f) — 11/11/2024 @ 9:40 am
Oh, bullsh1t.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/11/2024 @ 10:08 am“So, again, who is policing this?”
A better question is “Why is nobody policing this?”
Davethulhu (741a5f) — 11/11/2024 @ 10:16 amThat’s an interesting point.
And perhaps there’s room for that kind of concession. I had only thought of one-step parent citizenship-by-descent, as well as normal legal immigration and naturalization.
Exactly, Kevin. It was horrific to consider denying freed slaves citizenship for the country they slaved away building.
And that is not a moral argument for birthright citizenship today, as far as I can tell.
You seem to think I’m concerned with anchor babies keeping mom and dad in the USA. That’s not really my point. It’s the baby starting as an american that is the real reason democrats are allowing so much unlawful immigration. There’s no good reason to do that, and so much reason to end the practice. It’s the literal opposite of a freed slave. Instead, people come here and get citizenship at tremendous expensive to the working class of Americans who wages are reduced, housing more expensive, communities deteriorated.
Just cut out the incentive.
Trump obviously can’t deport his way out of this problem. But suppose the welfare apparatus went away, social security went away entirely (as it should… boomers didn’t really pay for it), and anyone born in the USA to nonAmericans is no longer considered an American, retroactively for 10 years.
I’m sure that sounds extreme. Perhaps it is. The harm to the country is also extreme.
Dustin (4b502c) — 11/11/2024 @ 10:17 amIt is unlikely that the new Senate would reject any of his nominees anyway, as it very rare for the Senate to reject outright a nominee to a cabinet position. It has happened only nine times in the history of the United States, and only three times in the 20th century. The last time in 1989 when Senator John Tower was rejected on a vote of 47-53.
I have no problem with the Senate (or the House) being a rubber stamp for President Trump’s agenda. He won (overwhelmingly) on his platform of immigration deportations, tariffs, tax breaks, pardons, etc. and his voters deserve to see them implemented.
Rip Murdock (36978f) — 11/11/2024 @ 10:26 amKevin M, keeping it classy.
Rip Murdock (36978f) — 11/11/2024 @ 10:29 am#252
This is not about rushing nominees into power. It’s about avoiding hearings and the necessity to get background checks. That may work for a couple of years.
That said, the tradition of thwarting the constitutional power to make recess appointments dates to 2014. Like the fries about the Court’s overturning Chevron, this feels like a reflexive complaint about Mr Orange rather than a genuine alarm about how we do Democracy in the USA.
Appalled (f24838) — 11/11/2024 @ 10:39 am@49 Simon Jester (c8876d) — 11/8/2024 @ 3:57 pm
whembly (477db6) — 11/11/2024 @ 10:49 amAll this Simon!
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Rip Murdock (36978f) — 11/11/2024 @ 10:26 am
Many nominees were withdrawn before a confirmation vote, the same way many chess games end by resignation and not checkmate,
Bill Clinton’s two first nominees for Attorney General were withdrawn in 1993 (as i think he had planned) so when it came to thee third, Janet Reno, she didn’t get too much scrutiny. And Bill Clinton had claimed he wanted to pick a woman, so it looked to people like he hadn’t planned to name her all along.
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 11/11/2024 @ 11:05 amIt’s also about preventing the Democrats from filibustering nominees, no matter how qualified they are.
Rip Murdock (36978f) — 11/11/2024 @ 11:08 am@214
I’d rather this than any recess appointments.
IN this day and age, there should be no reason to allow recess appointments. It’s an artifact of a time when Congress needed days/weeks to establish a quorum and the Executive branch needed to be more nimble than that.
whembly (477db6) — 11/11/2024 @ 11:12 amKevin M (a9545f) — 11/11/2024 @ 10:00 am
You can’t expel citizens. That may be by treaty or just because there is nothing to authorize it in the first place.
.”What would tend to have the children go with their parents is the desire of the parents to be with their children or fear of involuntary adoption, after foster care.
If the situation in the home country is really bad, like in Afghanistan (especially for girls) or Ukraine (war) parents would be more likely to leave their citizen children behind, after arranging for someoneto take care of them,
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 11/11/2024 @ 11:14 am@227
Yup.
E-Verify should be mandated honestly.
whembly (477db6) — 11/11/2024 @ 11:16 amThe problem with recess appointments is that a recess resolution requires consent of both the House and Senate. So if the Democrats take the House, or they filibuster the resolution in the Senate, no recess appointments would be allowed.
Rip Murdock (36978f) — 11/11/2024 @ 11:24 amAlong with several high profile workplace raids (including family roundups), followed by prosecutions of corporate officers.
Drive the point home.
Rip Murdock (36978f) — 11/11/2024 @ 11:28 amDoesn’t count as a killed nomination.
Rip Murdock (36978f) — 11/11/2024 @ 11:30 amSo what? President Trump (and his voters) deserve the nominees he wants.
Rip Murdock (36978f) — 11/11/2024 @ 11:37 amSo, uh, still have no idea what your talking about. The 14th Amendment exists, “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”
So, legal or not legal? Again, more hand wavey magic. I infer from the highlighted portion, that it’s not just illegals, it’s citizens that are born here too, so it’s not just the illegals. So the 10M-20M, is actually 60M, from crossing the border today, to being born here 90 years ago.
Meh, there ought to be a law…There is, not just laws, but the constitution in fact.
Plus a living wage via free markets, two completely opposed forces. All you have to do then is put up a giant wall, have tariffs around 2000%, to ensure there are no global supply chains, etc etc. Not sure how “ensure a living wage” doesn’t require government mandate, like Bernie Sanders.
All the Bund continues to demand is that they live in a different reality where magic exists.
Marvel isn’t a documentary.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 11/11/2024 @ 11:46 amThe “Number”:
Rip Murdock (36978f) — 11/11/2024 @ 11:48 amSo, no birthright citizenship, after what generation, if the first doesn’t count, then the second? The third?
That would limit US citizenship to only native Americans (wait, at some point they were born here so?) and those that have been naturalized. So the US really only has 20M-30M citizens.
That’s a lot of deporting.
The Bund=magical thinking.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 11/11/2024 @ 11:54 amYou’re lying about that, too, Kevin. The fact remains is you can’t produce a quote that is even “very close”. Whether you reply to me or not, I don’t care. In any event, you’ve convinced me that you’re basically full of sh-t and non-credible.
Paul Montagu (509661) — 11/11/2024 @ 11:58 amYes, immoral. Because those immigrant mothers aren’t a danger to their kids like a drug-addict mother could very well be.
Paul Montagu (509661) — 11/11/2024 @ 12:04 pmThis didn’t have to happen, but Trump wanted a zero-tolerance policy and his lieutenants said “yes, sir”, re-categorizing every case as criminal, regardless of the consequences.
Paul thinks parents trafficking their kids illegally across international borders and risking death or abuse isn’t endangering them. And to think otherwise and try to remove the incentives is immoral.
lloyd (b80248) — 11/11/2024 @ 12:20 pmRip, who flipped out when he was subjected to one personal attack, is totally simpatico with a commenter who flings poo. That figures.
lloyd (b80248) — 11/11/2024 @ 12:25 pmYou can’t expel citizens. That may be by treaty or just because there is nothing to authorize it in the first place.
We aren’t expelling citizens. We are expelling their parents. If some other arrangement can be made (e.g. an aunt, an adoption, etc) they can stay, or come back later. What we won’t do is 1) allow the parents to hold the child hostage, or 2) let it fend for itself.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/11/2024 @ 12:26 pm@266 Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 11/11/2024 @ 11:46 am
” subject to the jurisdiction thereof ” is the center of the debate.
What does it really mean and what did the framer’s meant?
It currently has a settled meaning: It referred to a person who was subject to U.S. law.
Some argues that the original meaning refers to the political allegiance of an individual and the jurisdiction that a foreign government has over that individual and that birthright citizenship has been implemented by executive fiat, not because it is required by federal law or the Constitution.
Both sides are kidding themselves that one has the stronger argument than the other, as there was this back and forth debate at the time the 14th was written and pasted…and the lower courts has weighed into this.
It’s either going to take a Congressional act (lol!), or a decision from SCOTUS.
whembly (477db6) — 11/11/2024 @ 12:27 pm(If you all don’t mind me mentioning Veterans Day, again.)
That brief biography of Bill Mauldin should remind us all of the strain war puts on families of soldiers, as well as the soldiers themselves.
In Up Front Mauldin mentions that he named his jeep, Jean, after his first wife, and says that he misses her and their baby son from time to time. And then the two got divorced in 1946, soon after he returned from Europe.
Was that divorce one of the many consequences of the war? Possibly.
Jim Miller (6d1168) — 11/11/2024 @ 12:29 pmWar has been good for virtually no one, except the Cheneys.
lloyd (b80248) — 11/11/2024 @ 12:33 pmI didn’t say that, lloyd. It’s still lawful to adjudicate mothers with dependent kids non-criminally, thereby keeping them together in detention facilities until immigration court or deported or put on parole, like it was before Trump’s “zero tolerance” idea, and as Trump did after he rescinded zero-tolerance.
Paul Montagu (509661) — 11/11/2024 @ 12:39 pmTrump rescinded zero tolerance because folks like you were intent on making him pay a political price for enforcing the law.
lloyd (b80248) — 11/11/2024 @ 12:43 pmThe law doesn’t require criminal prosecutions for mothers with dependent kids. They can still be held non-criminally (thereby not separating kids) and deported.
Paul Montagu (509661) — 11/11/2024 @ 12:45 pmTrump’s new border czar Tom Homan’s brutal takedown of AOC resurfaces
lloyd (b80248) — 11/11/2024 @ 12:47 pmI notice that:
A) The government takes kids from mothers and ships them to foreign countries?
B) Do you think the mother has no rights?
C) Maybe you’ve never heard of the American Indian boarding schools, houses for unwed mothers, etc. I know that the Bund likes those things, but there’s a history that exists.
A) What does “parents trafficking their kids illegally across international borders” even mean? They think the opportunities in the US are less risky than staying.
B) I thought it was only the “criminals”, but anyone crossing the border is illegal, so a criminal, parent or infant. The infant is a criminal.
It’s almost like reality requires complicated solutions, but when the foremost spokesperson for the policy is stupid Hitler, all you get are stupid solutions that seem to sound a lot like those people that one time over in that one place.
The Bund.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 11/11/2024 @ 12:53 pmC) If the home country doesn’t accept returnees; criminals, parents, babies, etc, then what?
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 11/11/2024 @ 12:54 pmI thought stupid Hitler was strong. If he’s not willing to pay a political price, then that should tell you something.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 11/11/2024 @ 12:56 pmThe law could just as easily be enforced, i.e., via deportation or detention, without zero tolerance and without making every single illegal subject to criminal prosecution. Why go the inhumane route and route make the kids pay?
Paul Montagu (509661) — 11/11/2024 @ 1:06 pmElections, they have consequences.
Paul Montagu (509661) — 11/11/2024 @ 1:13 pmTrump’s first-term Wormtongue will play a more prominent role, soon to be Deputy Chief of Staff with expanded responsibilities.
Because that’s the point, the cruelty disincentives migration.
Don’t come here, will take your kids and give them to white people. It’s the whole point of stupid Hitler’s take on the Lebensborn program.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 11/11/2024 @ 1:18 pmThe Bund needs a safe space.
The most delicate snowflakes on the planet.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 11/11/2024 @ 1:23 pmRip (#262)
Trump has complined about the filibuster a number of times in term 1. Since it will get in the way of what he wants at some point, her will do it again.
Huey Long just had the Louisiana Leg pass everything so that he could just veto the stuff he didn’t want. With a House and Senate in GOP hands — I could see that happening. Far more efficient.
Appalled (dbc647) — 11/11/2024 @ 1:37 pmRip (#265)
I’m not particularly offended if Trump evades the nomination sideshow. Like most things government, it has become far too bloated.
We know what he has in store for DoJ anyway and there is no stopping it.
Appalled (dbc647) — 11/11/2024 @ 1:43 pm“Our people aren’t having enough children to replace themselves. That should bother us, We want babies not just because they are economically useful. We want more babies because children are good. And we believe children are good, because we are not sociopaths.”
To counteract falling birth rates in Germany, and to promote Nazi eugenics, leaders of the League of German Girls were also instructed to recruit young women with the potential to become good breeding partners for SS officers.
Young women who could prove their Aryan ancestry were given incentives for bearing Aryan children, including financial support and privileged treatment in maternity homes.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 11/11/2024 @ 1:47 pm“The Minister [Himmler] feared that the action would have most unfavourable political consequences, that it would be regarded as abduction of children, and that the juveniles did not represent a real asset to the enemy’s military strength anyhow.”
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 11/11/2024 @ 1:48 pmI wonder why Make the Bund Great Again and stupid Hitler’s words seem so…familiar.
Hmm, who?
Himmler or…?
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 11/11/2024 @ 1:58 pmKlink, I see you’re channeling your inner-Goebbels.
Chillax my dude.
whembly (477db6) — 11/11/2024 @ 2:10 pmI’m sure the countries liberated from Naziism and Imperial Japan would beg to differ.
Rip Murdock (36978f) — 11/11/2024 @ 2:24 pmIt is hard to prove the employer knew the forged documents presented were not real
The SSA used to send out this notice:
You reported X# employee names and Social Security numbers (SSNs) on the Wage
steveg (4d28b3) — 11/11/2024 @ 2:25 pmand Tax Statements (Forms W-2) for tax year xxxx that do not match our records.
There are a number of reasons why reported names and SSNs may not agree with our
records, such as typographical errors, unreported name changes, and inaccurate or
incomplete employer records. However, when the information reported does not match
our records, we cannot credit employees’ earnings to their Social Security records.
Accurate earnings records are important because these records can determine if
someone is entitled to Social Security retirement, disability, and survivors benefits,
and how much he or she can receive.
This letter provides useful information about free online wage reporting tools,
including how to view and correct name and SSN mismatches.
IMPORTANT: This letter does not imply that you or your employee intentionally gave
the government wrong information about the employee’s name or SSN. This letter does
not address your employee’s work authorization or immigration status.
Do not take adverse action against an employee, such as laying off, suspending, firing,
or discriminating against that individual, just because this letter identifies a mismatch
between his or her SSN or name as reported to us. Those actions could violate state or
federal law and subject you to legal consequences.
Since lloyd’s comment immediately followed Jim Miller’s on Bill Maudlin, it wasn’t confined to wars of the past 20 years or so.
Rip Murdock (36978f) — 11/11/2024 @ 2:27 pmJim,
You might like Willie & Joe: The WWII Years
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/11/2024 @ 2:28 pmI’m sure the countries liberated from Naziism and Imperial Japan would beg to differ.
Rip Murdock (36978f) — 11/11/2024 @ 2:24 pm
This. Also, our Revolutionary War. The Civil War was good for the enslaved. Israel has engaged in it, too.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/11/2024 @ 2:31 pmWhen I used to get those, I’d write back saying that the employee said that was the correct number and the SSA would never reply. But my hands were tied by that last paragraph. Why no response? Probably because they are happy to get the monthly payment with no corresponding liability
steveg (4d28b3) — 11/11/2024 @ 2:34 pmI see that the Bund doesn’t know who is saying what.
It’s inconvenient that the Bund, stupid Hitler, and JD Himmler are directly quoting the natcies.
JD has changed his name so many times, I’m almost positive that one of them was Himmler…oh, wait, it was Hamel, totally different.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 11/11/2024 @ 2:34 pmUnfortunately it’s a constitutional requirement.
Rip Murdock (36978f) — 11/11/2024 @ 2:43 pmWhat’s gonna be worse: four more years of Trump or four years of Klink’s Nazi analogies? Hard to tell.
Rip Murdock (36978f) — 11/11/2024 @ 3:13 pm@303
People like that defended slavery because of “economic ramifications” or the likes…
Klink’s party is just mad that for 150 years we took their slaves away, and they absolutely do not want to get rid of their new economic slaves.
But Sir Goebbels is going to Goebbels…
whembly (477db6) — 11/11/2024 @ 3:23 pmRegarding court challenges to Trump’s immigration policies, Congress has the constitutional authority to limit the jurisdiction of the federal courts.
Footnotes omitted.
So Congress can pass a law that would deny the ability of the federal courts to hear any legal challenges to Trump’s immigration policies, which would greatly facilitate their implementation.
Rip Murdock (36978f) — 11/11/2024 @ 3:29 pmYour interpretation is your own. My comment was merely reflecting my annoyance with his Johnny-one-note commentary and the useless back and forth it has generated, nothing more. I’ve made it perfectly clear over the past year that I don’t support Trump.
Even I got tired of my own “Darling Nikki” references and I eventually ended them. Klink’s made his point; it’s his turn to stop.
Rip Murdock (36978f) — 11/11/2024 @ 3:43 pmAmsterdam, we have a problem, a militant Islamist problem.
This attack wasn’t the only Jew-hating event in Amsterdam.
Paul Montagu (509661) — 11/11/2024 @ 3:45 pmI will talk a lot less about Nazi analogies when the ones that were just elected stopped using the Nazis as the actual guidebook for “Fascist for dummies”.
It’s annoying because there’s too much truth to be comfortable.
“well, it’s too bad about the whole genocide thing, because Hitler really did have some great ideas how to build a strong country”
“the civil war was only about economic determinism, the slaves were just the method of production, so aren’t more important than a mule or a drill press”
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 11/11/2024 @ 4:27 pm#297 Kevin M. Thanks. Might be a good one to put on my cellphone.
(I already have a cartoon collection there, from Matt Pritchett. If you are at all interested in British politics, you should look at his cartoons from time to time. I love this recent one.
He consistently manages to bed sharp and funny, without ever being mean.)
Jim Miller (8ee121) — 11/11/2024 @ 4:37 pmNo, it’s annoying because it’s repetitive and has lost all meaning as an argument as there’s nothing in Nazi-like in Trump’s policies. It’s an ad hominem attack on people who just have an opposing political agenda.
Rip Murdock (36978f) — 11/11/2024 @ 5:13 pmTrump’s historical ignorance about the Nazi regime is no excuse to paint his supporters with the same broad brush.
Rip Murdock (36978f) — 11/11/2024 @ 5:16 pmAmerica is for Americans and Americans Only–Nur für Deutsche
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 11/11/2024 @ 5:17 pmA strict reading of Arizona v. US would say that the federal courts have no jurisdiction to begin with.
SaveFarris (fd1535) — 11/11/2024 @ 5:22 pmWhat language in the decision leads to that conclusion?
From the opinion syllabus:
There is nothing in the syllabus that says federal courts have no jurisdiction over federal immigration law.
Rip Murdock (36978f) — 11/11/2024 @ 5:51 pmhttps://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=61340
No backdoor amnesty from Biden.
It’s a start.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/11/2024 @ 6:10 pmKlink clearly doesn’t believe his own garbage otherwise he’d be high-tailing it out of the country instead of polluting this blog with his trash.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/11/2024 @ 6:14 pmhttps://x.com/KarluskaP/status/1856146761917628530
Marco Rubio for Secretary of State.
That’s a shock.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/11/2024 @ 6:16 pmhttps://www.dailywire.com/news/youre-hired-follow-along-for-live-updates-as-trump-builds-his-white-house
Good place for updates as President-elect Trump builds his cabinet.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/11/2024 @ 6:24 pmhttps://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/john-hinckley-jr-tells-people-to-quit-asking-him-to-kill-trump/ar-AA1tJpsG
Mentally ill leftists doing mentally ill things.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/11/2024 @ 6:35 pm317, other “token” Ls that would serve in Cabinet positions may not meet purity tests. And it might help to have someone versed in Spanish expletives if the US directs bellicosity southward.
urbanleftbehind (397697) — 11/11/2024 @ 6:49 pmReally interesting how the Bund never says they don’t believe in their National Socialist agenda, it’s just that it’s mean to point out how that the current National Socialism doesn’t hate jews nearly as much as they used to, anti semitism is only the 5th most important thing.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 11/11/2024 @ 7:09 pmRIP legendary Southern Cal and Rams coach John Robinson (89):
Rip Murdock (36978f) — 11/11/2024 @ 8:27 pmTrump could do worse, picking Rubio for SecState. He’s been a supplicant long enough to earn his loyalty points.
Paul Montagu (cc78b8) — 11/11/2024 @ 8:34 pmRIP Legendary Ohio Prep and Notre Dame coach Gerry Faust.
I was only 3-1 against Moeller, but the only loss in High School was once to Moeller.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 11/11/2024 @ 8:35 pmKristi Noem to run DHS. I suspect Lewandowski put in a good word.
Paul Montagu (509661) — 11/11/2024 @ 11:11 pmMaybe the clincher was her joining Trump in the 39-minute musical interlude with Trump.
Paul Montagu (509661) — 11/11/2024 @ 11:13 pmAOC why did voters vote for trump and vote for me she asks. Because you get what you see say voters. Corporate establishment donor class running dogs continue to fool less and less voters. (black and latinx woman voters say they have no other place to go.) Jen Psaki asks why did harris campaign with liz cheney instead of Bernie Sanders? Because donors said our money is for liz cheney not sanders $$$! Consultants wouldn’t get 15% of donor class running with bernie appealing to workers instead of wall street.
asset (20511f) — 11/11/2024 @ 11:36 pmMore about Homan, consequences to elections, and track records.
Paul Montagu (509661) — 11/12/2024 @ 8:44 amAll dogs should afraid.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/12/2024 @ 8:50 amMy prediction is that Homan’s nomination (along with some of other less qualified nominees) will be filibustered by the Democrats.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/12/2024 @ 8:56 amFrom what I read and heard from him in the last day or so, it occurred to me that he was ignoramus or a liar who told half truths. He seems to know enough to tell half truth rather than lies.
In either case, if he keeps it up, he’ll have a downfall. Trump will not stop him from digging himself into a hole, and Stephen Miller will see to it that he gets a good chance to dig himself really deep.
As soon as the public turns against him, which may take some time, (and Trump will not personally defend him) Trump will let him go. Then he try to make the editorial board of the Wall Street Journal happy. Try but not quite succeed.
Sammy Finkelman (51823e) — 11/12/2024 @ 9:11 amI don’t think Homan will be named to a position that requires Senate confirmation. He’ll be White House staff, running policy from the White House.
Besides, there’s a plan in the works to have Congress recess early or maybe before he inauguration even, for about ten days ending a bit after January 20) and save controversial appointments, or time consuming appointments (and it takes most of a year now for anyone if they have them fill out financial statements etc.w) for the recess period.
Sammy Finkelman (51823e) — 11/12/2024 @ 9:19 amThat’s quite a speculative prediction, with absolutely no facts in evidence. Why would Trump turn against Homan-he obviously knows what kind of guy he is, or Trump wouldn’t have nominated him. Trump won’t care if the public (or the WSJ editorial board) turns against Homan, as Trump doesn’t need to worry about reelection. The MAGA base will never turn against Homan or Trump.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/12/2024 @ 9:22 amI agree that Homan will avoid a Senate confirmation position, which will further insulate himself from public opinion.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/12/2024 @ 9:24 amWhy would the public turn against him? Because the media and left will lie about him constantly? They voted for Trump because they wanted to send a message on illegal immigration. He will help send that message.
Pro-illegal immigration people hardest hit.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/12/2024 @ 9:25 amThe public will turn against him if the deportation is brutal and people are dying. If he is simply deporting criminals and people with existing removal orders, or even those who failed to appeal at hearings, then I think it can work.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/12/2024 @ 10:04 am*appear
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/12/2024 @ 10:05 amMy prediction is that Homan’s nomination (along with some of other less qualified nominees) will be filibustered by the Democrats.
The late January recess will make that meaningless.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/12/2024 @ 10:06 amAnd it might help to have someone versed in Spanish expletives if the US directs bellicosity southward.
With what is going on in Mexico’s government, the bellicosity might not be partisan. We don’t needs Mexico to implode.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/12/2024 @ 10:08 amWhy no response? Probably because they are happy to get the monthly payment with no corresponding liability
They solved this by allowing illegals to get Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers to identify an account in case they were later eligible for SS.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/12/2024 @ 10:14 amI did not vote for Trump. I am not a fan of Trump. In many ways I find him suboptimum at this point in time (although not quite as bad as Harris would have been).
That being said, I will take him one policy at a time. Some of them I will support (such as deportation of the least desirable illegals), some I will not support (e.g. anything favoring Putin). And some will depend on the details.
He seems to want to restructure the bureaucracy. I agree this is a needed exercise, but I don’t think Trump is the one to do it. What we will get is an assault with blunt objects, but maybe we are past the point of scalpels. Hard to say. It’s clear that few candidates have had this on offer, so maybe it’s the best we can get.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/12/2024 @ 10:23 amhttps://apnews.com/article/pennsylvania-senate-2024-election-david-mccormick-casey-866a8712dea0b52b5d8d6b4844968b53
Because it deserves to be mentioned. Congrats to Senator McCormick.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/12/2024 @ 10:28 amEven if his is a job that requires Senate Advise & Consent (and I doubt it does), there’s nothing to filibuster, thanks to Harry Reid.
Paul Montagu (509661) — 11/12/2024 @ 10:35 amCabinet nominees can still be filibustered; the only exceptions are judicial nominations.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/12/2024 @ 10:47 amEven if that happens, I doubt Trump would fire him; Homan would simply be carrying out Administration policy, which is what the voters want. And since Trump is immune from reelection worries, he can disregard public opinion.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/12/2024 @ 10:54 amThose Relaxium commercials finally paid off.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/12/2024 @ 11:16 amJohn Paulson Drops Out of Running to Become Trump Treasury Secretary
More:
If nominated by Trump and confirmed by the Senate, Bessent will become the first ever openly gay member of a Republican cabinet.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/12/2024 @ 11:22 amI hope the Trump Sdmjnistration follows Patterico’s advice: Deport the Criminals First:
Patterico wrote this in 2007 but had been arguing for it since 2005 and probably before that. I believe he was the first internet proponent of this policy. The Trump Admjnistration should embrace it.
DRJ (0adca3) — 11/12/2024 @ 11:36 amCabinet nominees can still be filibustered; the only exceptions are judicial nominations.
Paul Montagu (509661) — 11/12/2024 @ 11:51 amI’m not so sure about that, Rip.
Thanks for the link, apparently the filibuster for cabinet officers was nuked along with judges.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/12/2024 @ 12:03 pm@348 As I have noted previously, the migrants who killed Laken Riley, Jocelyn Nungaray and many others did not have criminal records. The law is the law, or so we’ve been told. Entering our country illegally is a crime. We have had four years of an administration prioritizing known criminals for deportation, and we’ve seen the result with our own eyes.
lloyd (47c9fe) — 11/12/2024 @ 12:27 pmMarco Rubio’s (unconfirmed) SecState selection triggers MAGA:
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/12/2024 @ 2:05 pm@335 Remember child separation? Leave the kids alone and stay out of the schools and the people will let trump slide through.
asset (d873a2) — 11/12/2024 @ 3:09 pm@342 Not quite yet ;but close most ballots still uncounted democrat. If so another moderate squish bites the dust because of $$$ Helps the left take over the party from the donor class. All we need then is to win an election to quickly change the corrupt system.
asset (d873a2) — 11/12/2024 @ 3:18 pmComcast to sell off msDNC if they can find a buyer for the d.n.c. public relations network. Seems ignoring Bernie and AOC and shilling for corporate establishment stooges is bad for viewership!
asset (d873a2) — 11/12/2024 @ 3:27 pmTrump’s pretty astute in his choice of appointees. I wonder who’s advising him.
They are not all good or even right wing. Tulsi Gabbard is headed for Secretary of Defense
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 11/12/2024 @ 4:15 pmA friend or acquaintance told me that his neighbors stopped talking to him after the election. He told me that he thinks it is because they think he voted for Trump. he actually voted for Harris (after earlier contemplating skipping the presidential line) but he’s not going to tell them. He doesn’t like either of them.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 11/12/2024 @ 4:36 pmSenator Eric Schmidt (Republican-Missouri), to whom Donald Trump gave an ambiguous endorsement before the Republican primary in 2022, turned down an offer or near offer to be Attorney General.
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 11/12/2024 @ 5:13 pmWrong.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/12/2024 @ 5:23 pmPete Hegseth makes Gabbard look like a fabulous choice. Hegseth isn’t qualified, just period.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 11/12/2024 @ 6:59 pmAbout that call with Putin.
If I were to guess, the kompromat that Putin has on Trump relates to Jeffrey Epstein, that he has pictures of Trump with minor-aged girls.
Paul Montagu (509661) — 11/12/2024 @ 9:32 pmDemocrat consultants say don’t blame us and our 15% cut for your message failure! Donor class said appeal to liz cheney and white women not latinx and black working class with threat to democracy not increase taxes on rich or no billion dollars for you!
asset (38093d) — 11/13/2024 @ 1:31 amAssuming that the 7 open races end as they’re trending, the new House will be 222-213 GOP
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/13/2024 @ 6:56 amColonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 11/11/2024 @ 12:54 pm
Trump puts tariffs on imports from thatcountry. And if that doesn’t work, more tariffs, Or he makes a deal to help a dictatorship stay in power, Or that’s his plan anyway.
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 11/13/2024 @ 7:13 amKevin M (a9545f) — 11/13/2024 @ 6:56 am
At the time of the election of the Speaker. To be reduced temporarily soon thereafter to 220-213 because two are being appointed to executive branch positions.
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 11/13/2024 @ 7:16 amCIA Official Arrested for Intelligence Leak on Israeli Plans to Strike Iran
I suspect we will never know his motive.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/13/2024 @ 8:36 amIt’s a perfect fit, a parody site buying a bankrupt joke site.
Paul Montagu (271b15) — 11/14/2024 @ 9:12 amCool, except those countries are mostly countries that have no imports to the US to tax American citizens on. Just a refresher, but having Americans pay extra taxes probably isn’t the disincentive you think.
Definitely put those tariffs on Cuba, Venezuela, Haiti…
Wait, you mean that putting a infinity tariff on them will raise 0 dollars, so the good thing is it’s not adding more taxes on Americans, the bad thing is it defeats the purported reason.
Ah, now that stupid Hitler is in, it’s almost like people are looking at his ideas and figuring out how stupid they are. It’s in the name people.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 11/14/2024 @ 10:11 amThis is terrorism, and close to home. The UW administrators would be more sympathetic to the Palestinian side, so there’s no rational reason.
Paul Montagu (271b15) — 11/14/2024 @ 8:40 pm