10/30/2024

42 Responses to “Supreme Court Allows Virginia to Purge Noncitizens from Voter Rolls”

1. Sad to see Elena Kagan side with Justices Sotomayor and Brown Jackson. I guess now that the Court has a six Justice conservative majority, she no longer sees any need to play nice with Chief Justice Roberts in the hopes of winning him over to some 5-4 decisions that the left likes.

   JVW (cc6c98) — 10/30/2024 @ 8:29 am

   
   

2. @1

   Sad to see Elena Kagan side with Justices Sotomayor and Brown Jackson. I guess now that the Court has a six Justice conservative majority, she no longer sees any need to play nice with Chief Justice Roberts in the hopes of winning him over to some 5-4 decisions that the left likes.

   JVW (cc6c98) — 10/30/2024 @ 8:29 am

   I’m not sad.

   It goes to show that she’s that much of ideologue as her liberal colleagues.

   whembly (477db6) — 10/30/2024 @ 9:15 am

   
   

3. Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin had issued an executive order in August to use data from the Department of Motor Vehicles to remove people from the state’s voter rolls. Certain individuals were supposed be notified that their registrations would be canceled if they could not confirm their citizenship within 14 days.

   So the clock starts now, people have 14 days to fix this, Oh, there’s only 3 days til the election.

   The work around BTW, is that it’s the DMV purging, as adjudicated during the actual cases, it’s not the DMVs purview.

   Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/30/2024 @ 9:41 am

   
   

4. So the clock starts now, people have 14 days to fix this, Oh, there’s only 3 days til the election.

   Virginia law allows for anyone who believes they were wrongly removed to request and cast a provisional vote. Of course they have to declare under threat of perjury that they are indeed legal citizens with full voting rights, and if it turns out they are wrong they should be subject to whatever punishment is called for by statute.

   JVW (cc6c98) — 10/30/2024 @ 9:52 am

   
   

5. Andy McCarthy provides more explanation as to why Virginia’s action where absolutely legal:

   Judge Patricia Giles, a Biden appointee, had ordered Virginia to suspend its removal effort, which the administration of Republican governor Glenn Youngkin was carrying out pursuant to a state law signed by one of his Democratic predecessors (now-senator Tim Kaine) and previously enforced by his other Democratic predecessors. But an “immigrant rights” group sued to stop the removal effort. Judge Giles agreed with the group that Virginia was illegally carrying out a “systematic” removal “program” because Congress’s National Voter Registration Act bars such programs during the 90 days prior to a federal election.

   Virginia countered, correctly in my view, that its program was not systematic because aliens were removed on a case-by-case basis, and this was done based on representations they’d individually made to state agencies. Moreover, aliens are not voters as that term should be understood in federal law — which makes it a crime for aliens (a) to represent themselves as American citizens for the purpose of registering to vote in a federal election, and (b) to vote in such an election.

   Hence, the state’s program is not systematic, promotes election integrity in the Commonwealth, and reinforces — rather than violates — federal law. In addition, the claim that American citizens could be dropped from the rolls and prevented from voting due to bureaucratic error is belied by Virginia law, which permits voters to register on Election Day and cast to provisional ballots as long as they attest that they are American citizens.

   Given that the aliens in this case have apparently acknowledged that they are not eligible voters, one wonders why progressives would choose this fight to make the case for expansive voting “rights.”

   JVW (cc6c98) — 10/30/2024 @ 9:59 am

   
   

6. The state had the opportunity, and was encouraged, for months, to granularly investigate the 6k, as that was adjudicated as legal.

   Of course, as a lawyer, it may be surprising to find out the Supreme Court didn’t weigh in on the legality, at all.

   The governor’s Aug. 7 order didn’t state whether any of the 6,303 people removed from the voter rolls over the past 18 months were noncitizens who actually voted or if there was an error and they later turned out to be citizens.

   “If a voter renews their driver’s license or completes another DMV form but neglects to check ‘yes’ to the citizenship question, checks ‘no’ or checks neither box, then this voter is flagged as a possible noncitizen and included in the list,” Tony Castrilli, a spokesman for Fairfax County in northern Virginia

   It’s completely surprising that the point isn’t actually Virginia, where they have same day registration and provisional ballots. How do you boil a frog.

   Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/30/2024 @ 10:08 am

   
   

7. Also, a provisional ballot is a total red herring, if your not registered, you provisional will be tossed in the Puerto Rico.

   You have to be registered to vote, this will make them unregistered. A provisional ballot’s first test is “is the person a registered voter”.

   Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/30/2024 @ 10:22 am

   
   

8. They’re desperate to maintain their 6-3 headlock on the Court.

   Yeah, maybe the DOJ is right maybe Virginia is right but I don’t trust this Supreme Court to tell me if it’s daylight outside.

   Thank you, Mr. Trump!

   nk (0676da) — 10/30/2024 @ 10:37 am

   
   

9. I haven’t read deeply into this, so maybe others can help me understand.

   It said they are deregistering voters “suspected noncitizens”?

   What are their suspicions based on? Why can’t they confirm they are noncitizens before removing them from the rolls?

   Obviously I’m totally cool with non-citizens being removed from voting rolls. I’m not at all ok with removing legitimate voters who are incorrectly suspected of being illegitimate.

   Nate (cfb326) — 10/30/2024 @ 11:11 am

   
   

10. As a parallel:

    If a state moved to remove firearms from suspected convicted felons, I would be extremely apprehensive about the work the word “suspected” is doing.

    Nate (cfb326) — 10/30/2024 @ 11:33 am

    
    

11. When you get/renew your license at the DMV, there’s a tablet that you fill out a form, that form on the tablet has a box to check if your are/are not a citizen. If you miss the check box, or confuse what it means, they are pulling them out of the registered bucket.

    Now that it’s allowed to implement the purge, the state has to mail out a notice to those affected, so they know that they have to re-register.

    Again, the excuse that they can use a provisional ballot is just dumb on the face

    This right to receive a provisional ballot is contingent upon only one thing (per Section 302(a)

    (2)), the individual’s execution of a written affirmation that he or she is both a registered and
    eligible voter for the election at issue.

    There’s same day registration in Virginia, but that requires a different set of credentials that people may not have when they go to the polls, since they assume they’re registered, since that were registered.

    Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/30/2024 @ 11:34 am

    
    

12. Apply to Register to Vote

    You may apply to register to vote or change your voter registration name or address at any DMV office; however, DMV does not register you to vote or change your voter address. By law, only a local voter registrar can register you to vote or change your voter information.

    You can use DMV’s driver’s license/ID card application (form DL-1P) to indicate that you would like to apply to register to vote or change voter information. If you are a citizen of the United States and wish to apply to register to vote, answer the citizenship and voter registration questions on the application with “Yes” and you will be provided with a voter registration application to complete. Follow the instructions on the voter registration application carefully – you must complete all boxes and provide complete information on the voter registration application. Be sure to sign and date the voter registration application.

    To change your voter registration name or address, you may complete either the driver’s license/ID card application (form DL-1P) or the separate driver’s license/ID card address change request (form ISD-01).

    You are not registered to vote until your voter registration application is approved by your local voter registrar. If approved, you should receive a voter registration card within 30 days showing your voting location and election district. Contact your local registrar if you do not receive the voter registration card.

    In addition, you can check with the Virginia Department of Elections at 1-800-552-9745 (TDD 1-800-260-3466) if you have questions about voter registration or the status of your application, or if you do not receive your voter registration card.

    Check Your Voter Registration Status
    You can check your current voter registration status as well as find out where you are registered to vote through the Virginia Department of Elections.

    Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/30/2024 @ 11:39 am

    
    

13. A University of Michigan student who is from China and not a U.S. citizen allegedly voted early Sunday in Ann Arbor and is being charged with two crimes, six days before a pivotal presidential election.

    The filing of the charges was revealed Wednesday in a statement from Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson’s office and the Washtenaw County Prosecutor’s office. The press release didn’t identify the student but described him only as “a non-U.S. citizen.”

    The 19-year-old individual from China was legally present in the United States but not a citizen, which meant he couldn’t legally cast a ballot, according to information from the Michigan Secretary of State’s office. He registered to vote on Sunday, he signed a document identifying himself as a U.S. citizen and his ballot was entered into a tabulator, according to the Secretary of State’s office.

    Later, the UM student voter contacted the local clerk’s office, asking if he could somehow get his ballot back, according to Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson’s office.

    The student’s ballot is expected to count in the upcoming election — although it was illegally cast — because there is no way for election officials to retrieve it once it’s been put through a tabulator, according to two sources familiar with Michigan election laws. The setup is meant to prevent ballots from being tracked back to an individual voter.

    https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/10/30/chinese-university-of-michigan-college-student-voted-presidential-election-michigan-china-benson/75936701007/

    I am not one to put much weight behind the claims of “sources familiar,” but I haven’t found any information that they are wrong. Effectively one person’s vote has been canceled if this is true.

    BuDuh (3f5260) — 10/30/2024 @ 12:31 pm

    
    

14. A little more:

    In a message to the Ann Arbor City Council members, obtained by The Detroit News, Milton Dohoney Jr., the city’s administrator, said there had been an instance of “potential voter fraud in Ann Arbor” involving a University of Michigan student who’s a green card holder.

    “Through a series of actions, the student was apparently able to register, receive a ballot and cast a vote,” Dohoney wrote in an email Monday. “Based upon the scenario that we’re hearing this morning, the student was fully aware of what he was doing, and that it was not legal.”

    BuDuh (3f5260) — 10/30/2024 @ 12:35 pm

    
    

15. In other election litigation:

    The North Carolina Court of Appeals on Tuesday unanimously rejected a Republican bid to have election officials segregate overseas ballots cast by people who have never resided in the state for additional checks of the voters’ eligibility.

    The court’s decision is the latest blow to Republican efforts to attack overseas ballots in critical battleground states.
    ……….
    The Republican National Committee sued North Carolina in early October to block a policy that allows citizens abroad to cast ballots in the state if their parents resided there before leaving the country, even if the voters themselves never lived there.

    The law permitting such votes was passed with bipartisan support in 2011 and has been in effect in every election since 2012, but Republicans argued in their suit that it ran afoul of the state constitution’s requirement that limits voting in the state’s elections “to North Carolina residents and only North Carolina residents.” They claimed that it could expose the election to “fraud and other misconduct.”

    Last week, Wake County Superior Court Judge John W. Smith denied the RNC’s request for an emergency court order that would require election officials to set aside ballots from overseas voters who hadn’t themselves lived in the state. The judge said that “there is absolutely no evidence that any person has ever fraudulently claimed (the exemption at issue) and actually voted in any North Carolina election.”
    ……….
    State officials announced Tuesday afternoon that nearly 2.3 million ballots had already been cast in the general election, a figure that included more than 15,000 overseas votes and just under 5,000 military ballots.
    ……….

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/30/2024 @ 1:04 pm

    
    

16. More election litigation:

    A Pennsylvania appeals court said Wednesday the requirement that mail-in voters handwrite the correct date on their ballot violates the state Constitution, but it is not yet clear how the ruling will apply going forward.

    The ruling comes in a dispute over ballots that were rejected in a previous election in Philadelphia. Voting rights advocates have filed several lawsuits trying to strike down the dating requirement, including a case pending at the US Supreme Court that will not be resolved before the election. It may take additional proceedings to determine whether the new appeals court ruling will apply statewide in Tuesday’s election.

    Voters are instructed to write the date on which they filled out the ballot. However, the requirement has led to the rejection of thousands of ballots in past elections, as voters sometimes put their birthdate or other incorrect dates, or forget to date the ballot envelope altogether.

    “Enforcement of the dating provisions has resulted in the arbitrary and baseless rejection of thousands of timely ballots, resulting in disenfranchisement in violation of the free and equal elections clause,” the Commonwealth Court of Pennsylvania said in its ruling Wednesday.
    ………..

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/30/2024 @ 1:07 pm

    
    

17. A Pennsylvania judge on Wednesday sided with Donald Trump’s campaign and agreed to extend an in-person voting option in suburban Philadelphia where long lines on the final day led to complaints voters were being disenfranchised by an unprepared election office.

    Judge Jeffrey Trauger said in a one-page order that Bucks County voters who want to apply for an early mail ballot now have until Friday.

    The Trump campaign’s lawsuit, which was filed Wednesday morning, comes amid a flurry of litigation and complaints over voting in a battleground state that is expected to play a central role in helping select the next president in 2024’s election.

    The lawsuit sought a one-day extension, through Wednesday at 5 p.m., for voters to apply in-person for a mail-in ballot. The judge’s order permits applications through the close of business on Friday.

    https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/decision-2024/pa-judge-extends-early-voting-option-in-bucks-county-after-trumps-lawsuit/4013761/

    BuDuh (3f5260) — 10/30/2024 @ 1:10 pm

    
    

18. For the most part, Republican challenges to state voting laws have been rejected by either state or federal courts.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/30/2024 @ 1:13 pm

    
    

19. Nate (cfb326) — 10/30/2024 @ 11:11 am

    It said they are deregistering voters “suspected noncitizens”?

    What are their suspicions based on?

    Either a form they filled out annd a box they checked or didn’t check at the DMV (and they obtained a registration form some other way from some other source. like a school or library or from election administrators) or they checked that they were not a citizen when being summoned for jury duty.

    It could be wrong if they made a mistake or if they became naturalized after the date the form in which they claimed not to be a citizen was filled out.

    Why can’t they confirm they are noncitizens before removing them from the rolls?

    Politics, basically, and they didn’t have to go right up to the deadline.
    Besides they don’t know who is and who is not not a citizen but people can prove that they are, usually with a birth certificate or naturalization papers, (which don’t usually have a reason worth paying money to forge, so there’s no business in that. Social Security cards get forged)

    Sammy FInkelman (e4ef09) — 10/30/2024 @ 1:28 pm

    
    

20. For the most part, Republican challenges to state voting laws have been rejected by either state or federal courts.

    As this one was. SCOTUS didn’t rule on the legal aspects.

    Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/30/2024 @ 1:33 pm

    
    

21. > The Republican National Committee sued North Carolina in early October to block a policy that allows citizens abroad to cast ballots in the state if their parents resided there before leaving the country, even if the voters themselves never lived there.

    Is there a general rule for how US citizens who were born abroad and have never lived in the US are eligible to vote in federal elections?

    According to https://www.fvap.gov/citizen-voter/reside most states allow US citizens who have never resided in the US, but whose parent or guardian last domiciled in that state, to vote in that state as a federal voter, including North Carolina.

    i’m trying to see if federal law governs this — the Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act of 1986 does not seem to (https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title52/subtitle2/chapter203&edition=prelim)

    in North Carolina, the existing state statute seems to clearly encompass this situation:

    https://ncleg.gov/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/ByArticle/Chapter_163/Article_21A.html

    “Covered voter” means any of the following:

    a. A uniformed-service voter or an overseas voter who is registered to vote in this State.

    b. A uniformed-service voter defined in subdivision (7) of this section whose voting residence is in this State and who otherwise satisfies this State’s voter eligibility requirements.

    c. An overseas voter who, before leaving the United States, was last eligible to vote in this State and, except for a State residency requirement, otherwise satisfies this State’s voter eligibility requirements.

    d. An overseas voter who, before leaving the United States, would have been last eligible to vote in this State had the voter then been of voting age and, except for a State residency requirement, otherwise satisfies this State’s voter eligibility requirements.

    e. An overseas voter who was born outside the United States, is not described in sub-subdivision c. or d. of this subdivision, and, except for a State residency requirement, otherwise satisfies this State’s voter eligibility requirements, if:

    1. The last place where a parent or legal guardian of the voter was, or under this Article would have been, eligible to vote before leaving the United States is within this State; and

    2. The voter has not previously registered to vote in any other state.

    So the lawsuit is frivolous and rightly dismissed.

    aphrael (078a66) — 10/30/2024 @ 2:08 pm

    
    

22. The Third Circuit has denied (in a one-sentence per curiam order) an attempt by Cornel West to appear on the Pennsylvania ballot; but he has appealed to the Supreme Court through Justice Samuel Alito.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/30/2024 @ 5:56 pm

    
    

23. Seems insanely late to be asking to reprint ballots.

    aphrael (dd8c1a) — 10/30/2024 @ 7:05 pm

    
    

24. Budun, at 17, good. That’s exactly what should happen in this situation.

    aphrael (dd8c1a) — 10/30/2024 @ 7:09 pm

    
    

25. Surprise! Virtually all the litigation concerns mail in voting. What a mess.

    lloyd (a2e436) — 10/30/2024 @ 7:21 pm

    
    

26. Gee, I wonder who he voted for.

    Chinese Student Accused Of Voting Illegally — And His Vote Will Reportedly Count

    Michigan officials have charged a Chinese national for allegedly voting in the 2024 elections illegally, and there is reportedly no way for election officials to remove his vote now that it’s been tabulated.

    The individual registered to vote on Sunday, signed a document which identified himself as an American citizen and entered his ballot into a tabulator, according to Benson’s office. However, the University of Michigan student later reached out to his local clerk’s office and asked if he could get his ballot back.

    Despite it being an unlawful vote, the Chinese man’s ballot is expected to remain counted in the general election because there is no way for election officials to obtain it now that it’s been put through a tabulator, according to sources familiar with the state’s election laws that spoke with the Detroit News. This is reportedly because ballots are designed to not be tracked back to an individual voter.

    He was caught only because he told on himself. I wonder how many will be that helpful.

    lloyd (a2e436) — 10/30/2024 @ 7:31 pm

    
    

27. How many of the purged were citizens who forgot to check the citizenship box? In PA. your mail-in ballot will not be counted if you forget to jump thru all the hoops. Make it a crime to prevent a citizen’s vote from being counted.

    asset (92c7e3) — 10/30/2024 @ 11:30 pm

    
    

28. In PA. your mail-in ballot will not be counted if you forget to jump thru all the hoops.

    As it shouldn’t. Just like in life, a failure to follow the rules leads to invalidation.

    SaveFarris (8940bf) — 10/31/2024 @ 5:28 am

    
    

29. This is the recent press conference in Colorado regarding ballots that were stolen before their intended recipient ever saw them. The ballots were then returned to the county and some were caught with the signature verification. Others were caught when the intended recipient got a notification on his, or hers, ballot tracking app that they fortunately signed up to have. After the 7 min mark a decent reporter really tried to get an answer from the Secretary of State as to how she is praising the system when these several ballots were only caught by the fact that the voter had signed up for a voluntary program. After the SoS stammers through some non-answer Baloney, she then states for the first time in the press conference that 3 ballots did make it through and are now irretrievable.

    3 legitimate votes were canceled that we know of. And we only know that because a reporter decided to push the issue.

    BuDuh (3f5260) — 10/31/2024 @ 7:29 am

    
    

30. This is why “ballot integrity” initiative is a thing.

    In our system, the actual vote is disconnected from the voter after it’s been casted. This is a desirable, built-in feature to ensure anonymity.

    The downside, is that there’s no good way to “audit” the system that ensure that Voter A truly voted for XYZ.

    So the only kinds of audits that can highlight possible fraud are likely:
    -someone caught literally red-hand
    -someone confesses
    -other “meta data” resource, such as comparing raw numbers of registered voters v. number of votes casted. Things like that.

    That’s why, if we’re going to have a voting system whereby the final vote record is disassociated from the actual voters, you need robust “gatekeeper” system to ensure that only valid voters call access the polls.

    Things like, asking for valid ID, or making sure registry rolls are clean, are proper “gatekeeper” strategies to strengthen validity of the voting system.

    The only explanation, and it’s the simplest too, for anyone rejecting voter integrity laws/process… is because they want to make it easier to cheat.

    That’s the only explanation.

    whembly (477db6) — 10/31/2024 @ 7:56 am

    
    

31. In PA. your mail-in ballot will not be counted if you forget to jump thru all the hoops.

    Perhaps they should change the law to reduce the number of hoops. But it is NOT a judges’ job to write the laws. In this case, given the lawmaking power is constitutionally restricted to the legislature, the courts can strike down laws, but not re-write them. And should do neither after the election has started.

    Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/31/2024 @ 10:08 am

    
    

32. 26. lloyd (a2e436) — 10/30/2024 @ 7:31 pm

    He was caught only because he told on himself. I wonder how many will be that helpful.

    He probably did it because he became aware of the penalty (and he could at least lose his educational visa) he must have been told by someone whom he told what he had done how seriously this was taken and he tried to recall the ballot and he couldn’t.

    For every person like that, there are probably three or four who do not try to reverse their decision.

    There are probably a great deal more people who vote for deceased members of their immediate family who lived at the same address and are still on the rolls (probably about 1 in 10 of same cases – a wild eyed guess)

    And then there are people who moved (like someone who used to rent – not a voter who just moved but still gets the mail, which is not legal but doesn’t affect things like statewide races much)

    Those who vote (by mail) in the name of other people who they did not know well can be caught at least a quarter of the time by the signature.

    A signature is rejected when it doesn’t look at all like the signature the voter used to make: It almost can’t be forged because the forger has no model to copy.

    Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 10/31/2024 @ 1:20 pm

    
    

33. asset (92c7e3) — 10/30/2024 @ 11:30 pm

    How many of the purged were citizens who forgot to check the citizenship box?

    If they did that in the DMV application, they wouldn’t be offered an opportunity to fill out a voter registration form there.

    The New York Times had a story which said there were two ways the 1,600 people in Virginia might have flagged, and it sounds like a majority of them might have been eligible to vote. (Legal residents who are not citizens are very conscious of the fact they cannot vote, and non-legal residents just want to stay out of trouble and not attract attention, and it’s not like people in general are very anxious to vote.)

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/30/us/politics/supreme-court-virginia-purge-voter-registration.html

    The roughly 1,600 people were flagged as possible noncitizens through two paths, according to a lawyer involved in the litigation.

    This does not cite anyone who signed a form saying they were exempt from jury duty because they were not a citizen, but they might have been too few or excluded from the litigation because the lawyers did not want to make excuses for a crime or because they didn’t want to investigate the circumstances, like someone becoming a citizen after the jury notice)

    One group of about 600 people had marked themselves as noncitizens on forms at the Department of Motor Vehicles.

    A second group of about 1,000 had marked themselves as citizens on D.M.V. forms but had previously listed an alien registration number, such as a green card or a visa.

    You mean at an earlier date?

    Those names were run through a Department of Homeland Security database to check their citizenship status, the lawyer said.

    DHS apparently does not have an up to date list or does not include names when someone gets naturalized based on another person’s naturalization, like children of parents who became naturalized.

    https://citizenpath.com/derivative-us-citizenship-for-children

    Contrary to popular belief, children (minors under the age of 18) generally cannot naturalize as U.S. citizens of the United States. By law, applicants for naturalization must be 18 years of age. But don’t worry. This means that children cannot file the naturalization application or be included on their parents’ application. Instead, children who meet certain criteria automatically gain U.S. citizenship when a parent naturalizes, a provision in the law known as “derivative citizenship” for children….. The order of events makes no difference. If a child is a permanent resident and under 18, and then at least one parent naturalizes, the child automatically becomes a U.S. citizen. If a parent naturalizes and then the child gets permanent residence, the child becomes a U.S. citizen the moment they become a permanent resident, if that happens before the child is 18.

    But, I read, they don’t get updated in the DHS list.

    Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 10/31/2024 @ 1:56 pm

    
    

34. @28 NO it shouldn’t. Rethugs put in rules to knock as many citizens from having their votes count as their think tanks say it will void more democrat ballots then republicans. Why do you want citizens especially veterans from not having their votes counted just because of silly rules designed to prevent their votes from being counted?

    asset (6d6272) — 10/31/2024 @ 2:30 pm

    
    

35. @30 Some years ago democrats agreed to a national voter ID for every citizen to use to vote. Rethugs said NO! It would be to hard to prevent democrats from voting with national ID. Rethugs want state Id and rules in states they control so they can make up rules and regulations to prevent as many democrats from voting as possible. Would you oppose making it a crime for preventing a citizen from voting or having his vote count like you support making it a crime for a non citizen voting?

    asset (6d6272) — 10/31/2024 @ 2:39 pm

    
    

36. Schumer has long wanted national ID (and Hillary Clinton, too) but that is all I know. It tends to get opposed because it would give too much control to the federal government.

    Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 10/31/2024 @ 4:44 pm

    
    

37. So the clock starts now, people have 14 days to fix this, Oh, there’s only 3 days til the election.

    The work around BTW, is that it’s the DMV purging, as adjudicated during the actual cases, it’s not the DMVs purview.

    Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/30/2024 @ 9:41 am

    Ask yourself: is this true? Does this sound right? That it’s an injustice that illegal aliens only have 3 days to ‘fix’ their vote?

    Because that’s not true at all.

    In fact this is a hardcore, extreme left view on cancelling the votes of legal citizens. Remember that. a lot of the ‘conservatives’ on the internet are Rachel Maddow, basically.

    Dustin (4b502c) — 10/31/2024 @ 4:51 pm

    
    

38. @ 35 what happens to local control of elections?

    Joe (584b3d) — 10/31/2024 @ 5:17 pm

    
    

39. @38 National voter ID for citizens will make it harder for red states to prevent citizens from voting. Thats what will happen. BTW the ID can only be used for voting. No more local control of how many democrats get to vote.

    asset (727b8f) — 10/31/2024 @ 9:44 pm

    
    

40. The injustice, Dustin, is that some citizens were mistaken for illegal.iigrants and has their name purged and may be unable to vote as a result, because they only have three days to notice and remedy.

    We aren’t complaining about the actual illegals; they have no right to vote and should be reported if they do.

    But some citizens are going to get swept up in this due to human error, and those citizens being disenfranchised is an active wrong.

    One of the hats I wear is that of a software engineer. All constructed systems have tolerances and error margins. This kind of purge will always accidentally include a few citizens. Those citizens deserve a reasonable opportunity to remedy the situation, which is why we have the ninety day safe harbor in federal law.

    aphrael (dd8c1a) — 10/31/2024 @ 10:37 pm

    
    

41. National voter ID for citizens will make it harder for red states to prevent citizens from voting. Thats what will happen. BTW the ID can only be used for voting. No more local control of how many democrats get to vote.

    “Social Security Numbers will only be used to distribute retirement benefits. It won’t be used in any other fashion”. — asset in 1935

    SaveFarris (8940bf) — 11/1/2024 @ 6:00 am

    
    

42. @41 a statement and a law are different in kind.

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