Weekend Open Thread
[guest post by Dana]
Let’s go!
First news item
The richest man in the world has been very, very busy:
Elon Musk, the world’s richest man and a linchpin of U.S. space efforts, has been in regular contact with Russian President Vladimir Putin since late 2022.
The discussions, confirmed by several current and former U.S., European and Russian officials, touch on personal topics, business and geopolitical tensions.
At one point, Putin asked the billionaire to avoid activating his Starlink satellite internet service over Taiwan as a favor to Chinese leader Xi Jinping, said two people briefed on the request.
While the U.S. and its allies have isolated Putin in recent years, Musk’s dialogue could signal re-engagement with the Russian leader, and reinforce Trump’s expressed desire to cut a deal over major fault lines such as the war in Ukraine.
At the same time, the contacts also raise potential national-security concerns among some in the current administration, given Putin’s role as one of America’s chief adversaries.
So both Trump and Musk have been in contact with Putin for at least two years. I’m sure there’s nothing to be concerned about. . .
Before the inevitable wave of bullshit trying to wave this off, remember that Putin and his terrorist mafia state are avowed enemies of the United States and its allies and consider themselves in a war footing against them.
Like Trump, Musk cares only for his personal business dealings and his image. Putin, Xi, and other dictators always find such people easy to exploit because it’s also how they operate. No messy oversight, laws, or national interests, just quid pro quo.
MAGA’s regurgitation of Kremlin talking points was not a subtle clue. Whether Musk and the rest are really that ignorant & gullible or just that corrupt and treasonous will be for years of journalism and hearings to reveal. But it won’t happen if Trump wins & they write history.
Un-American? Traitorous? Certainly not a nothing burger.
Second news item
The US has said for the first time it had evidence that 3,000 North Korean troops were receiving training in Russia for possible deployment against Ukraine in “a very serious” escalation that would make them “legitimate military targets”.
. . .
The [South Korea] agency also said Pyongyang had sent more than 13,000 containers of artillery, missiles, and other conventional arms to Russia since August 2023.
Third news item
The sacrifice, as told by Alexie Navalny in his prison diaries:
I’m forty-five. I have a family and children. I’ve had a life to live, worked on some interesting things, done some things that
were useful. But there’s a war on right now. Suppose a nineteen-year-old is riding in an armored vehicle, he gets a piece of shrapnel in his head, and that’s it. He has had no family, no children, no life. Right now, dead civilians are lying in the streets in Mariupol, their bodies gnawed at by dogs, and many of them will be lucky if they end up in even a mass grave-through no fault of their own. I made my choices, but these people were just living their lives. They had jobs. They were family breadwinners. Then, one fine evening, a vengeful runt on television, the President of a neighboring country, announces that you are all “Nazis” and have to die because Ukraine was invented by Lenin. The next day, a shell comes flying in your window and you no longer have a wife, a husband, or children — and maybe you yourself are also no longer alive.
And from Navalny’s wife, Yulia Navalnaya, a warning, a caution, and wise words:
“I would say to American voters, don’t take everything like granted,” Navalnaya said in the interview when asked what her message is to Americans, less than two weeks before the 2024 election.
“You are still living in democratic country, and I still believe in American institutions, and just make the right choice,” Navalnaya said.
When asked, Navalnaya declined to say which candidate she supported in the U. S. presidential election.
Fourth news item
The Menendez brothers get a break:
Los Angeles County prosecutors are recommending that Erik and Lyle Menendez be resentenced for the 1989 killings of their parents in the family’s Beverly Hills home, providing the brothers with a chance at freedom after 34 years behind bars.
District Attorney George Gascón announced his decision at a Thursday afternoon news conference.
“We are going to recommend to the court (on Friday) that the life without the possibility of parole be removed and they would be sentenced for murder,” Gascón said.
That would normally mean a sentence of 50 years to life, he said. But because of their age — they both were under 26 at the time of the crimes — they would be eligible for parole immediately.
“I believe that they have paid their debt to society,” he said. “The final decision will be made by the judge.”
I’m sure the Menendez brothers will be sending flowers to celebrity influencer and criminal advocate Kim Kardashian for her work on their behalf.
Fifth news item
Just two weeks out from the election:
Kamala Harris and Donald Trump are at a stalemate, 48 percent to 48 percent, according to the final poll from The New York Times/Siena College before Election Day.
The results are a shift from the last Times/Siena College poll in early October when Harris had a slight lead, albeit inside the margin of error, of 49 percent to 46 percent.
. . .
The poll was conducted among 2,516 registered voters between Oct. 20 and 23. The poll’s margin of error is plus-or-minus 2.2 percentage points among likely voters.
Sixth news item
Kamala on abortion concessions:
. . . when asked if she would be willing to make concessions, including “religious exemptions,” she declined, stating, “We should not be making concessions when we are talking about a fundamental freedom.”
. . .
However, the best question to ask Kamala Harris would be if she opposes the Church amendments. The Church amendments were passed in 1973 after the Roe v. Wade decision. They were part of the Health Programs Extension Act of 1973, which was passed unanimously by the U.S. Senate and was opposed by only one House member. The Church amendments protect the rights of individuals and entities that object to performing certain procedures “because of their religious beliefs or moral convictions.” Does Harris want to force religious health-care professionals to participate in abortions against their will?
Seventh news item
A courageous woman in France:
Gisele Pelicot, the 72-year-old victim of mass rape whose ordeal has shocked the world, told a trial in southern France on Wednesday that she was determined that making her case public should help other women and change society.
Dominique Pelicot, her husband, has admitted to inviting dozens of strangers over nearly 10 years to their house to rape her after he had drugged her. Fifty other men also stand trial, accused of raping her.
Gisele Pelicot. . . told the court she was destroyed by what happened to her. She said how “unbelievably violent” it was for her that many of the accused in the trial, which started on September 2, said they thought she agreed to the rapes or was faking sleeping.
To help rape victims, Pelicot made a bold move:
She said she had insisted the trial be held publicly, and not behind closed doors, as is often the case to protect rape victims, in the hope it would help other rape victims.
“They (rapists) are the ones who must be ashamed,” she said, adding that having videos, filmed by her husband, of some of her rapes, shown during the trial, was “very difficult but necessary.”
Eighth news item:
President Biden is expected to issue a formal apology for the federal government’s Native American boarding schools during a visit to Arizona on Friday.
. . .
“I’m heading to do something that should have been done a long time ago, to make a formal apology to the Indian nations for the way we treated their children for so many years,” Biden told reporters on Thursday.
FYI:
Between 1819 and 1969, the federal government operated more than 400 boarding schools across the country and provided support for more than 1,000 others, according to the Interior department’s investigation. The goal was complete cultural assimilation.
While most people will say this doesn’t matter, to the still-living victims, their families, and tribal members, guaranteed it does.
Ninth news item
Tucker Carlson, at a Turning Point USA event, compared Trump to America’s “dad” and that the nation needs a “spanking”. . .from “dad”:
Tucker Carlson addressed a raucous crowd in Georgia on Wednesday, where he compared former President Trump’s prospective return to the White House to a dad returning home, adding that he would give the country a “vigorous spanking.”
“There has to be a point at which Dad comes home. Yeah, that’s right. Dad comes home. And he’s pissed. Dad is pissed,” Carlson said. . .
“He’s not vengeful. He loves his children. Disobedient as they may be, he loves them. Because they’re his children. They live in his house. But he’s very disappointed in their behavior. And he’s going to have to let them know,” Carlson continued.
“When Dad gets home, you know what he says? ‘You’ve been a bad girl. You’ve been a bad little girl, and you’re getting a vigorous spanking right now. And no, it’s not going to hurt me more than it hurts you. No, it’s not. I’m not going to lie. It’s going to hurt you a lot more than it hurts me. And you earned this.’”
(video)
Eew.
America doesn’t need a “dad”. America doesn’t need a “spanking”. American voters are not children. America needs a stable leader who has the peoples best interest at heart, not his own. American needs a leader who understands the importance of the Constitution and its contents, and would never, ever consider subverting it. America needs a president who respects the rule of law. America needs a leader who doesn’t care more about his personal brand than the people he serves. America doesn’t need a leader who is frustrated by limits on presidential power, and who promises retribution on his perceived enemies. America doesn’t need a president who believes that perceived “enemies within” pose a greater threat to the nation than our enemies around the world. America doesn’t need a president who is willing to use the military to stifle his in-house enemies. America doesn’t need a president who admires murderous thugs who rule their people with an iron fist. I could go on and on, but you get the picture: America doesn’t need Donald Trump.
Have a great weekend.
—Dana
Hello.
Dana (c0f7d7) — 10/25/2024 @ 8:37 amFourth new item:
Gascon has nothing to lose, he’s a dead man walking. He is far behind his opponent (Nathan Hochman, a former federal prosecutor), both in the polls (-30 points) and fundraising (paywalled).
Gascón’s liberal supporters have given up the ghost. In 2020 he received $2.4M from George Soros, but $0 in 2024. Reed Hastings (and his wife, Patty Quillin) and Susan Pritzker gave a total of $2.4M in 2020, have donated only $9,000 this year (from Quillin).
Californians (and Los Angelenos) are also expected to overwhelmingly approve (60%-21%) Prop 36, which will increase criminal penalties for repeat offenses involving retail theft and possession of fentanyl. Recent polling in LA County mirrors state polling on Prop 36.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/25/2024 @ 9:20 amLeftists love murderers. Babies not so much.
NJRob (7ef1b0) — 10/25/2024 @ 9:23 amKamala is Gascon at the national level.
lloyd (ca12a9) — 10/25/2024 @ 9:31 amShe’s actually worse. She wants to Make America Detroit instead of LA.
lloyd (ca12a9) — 10/25/2024 @ 9:32 amHowever, the best question to ask Kamala Harris would be if she opposes the Church amendments.
Hardly, not one voter in 1000 knows what the Church amendments were, and if they do, they don’t know whether they are still in effect. Consider that you had to explain what the Church amendments were to this bunch of terminal wonks.
The question asked was one that would resonate with voters, not hide the answer behind a wall of wonkism when the question asked is clear enough (even though Sergeant Schultz sees nothing).
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/25/2024 @ 9:33 amKamala is Gascon at the national level.
And Trump is what? George Washington? Or Joe McCarthy?
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/25/2024 @ 9:34 amTrump is the guy who fled LA County years ago.
lloyd (ca12a9) — 10/25/2024 @ 9:37 amCA’s initiative was created to bypass an intransigent legislature that seemed impervious to electoral change. Then as now.
Of course this means that the initiative process needs to be reformed, or manipulated and controlled by another in a long list of crooked Attorney Generals. One of the worst of whom was Kamala Harris. Lèse-majesté, I know.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/25/2024 @ 9:38 amI dislike Harris, but that does not mean I dislike Trump any less. I don’t know if he’s a fascist. But he’s off in that direction.
Harris may not be a communist, but her soak-the-rich and other collectivist schemes are off in that direction too. Call it Germany, 1932, lite.
And the current organized othering of Trump is so obviously coordinated that it reinvigorates belief in the Deep State. Hillary jumps the shark.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/25/2024 @ 9:51 amTrump is the guy who fled LA County years ago.
I thought that was Roman Polanski. I wonder if Harris will pardon him.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/25/2024 @ 9:53 amNinth news item
BuDuh (5b8a20) — 10/25/2024 @ 9:55 amEvery election year is different.
But, if you’re forecasting who’d win, it’s a coin toss because Trump is generating a measurable momentum on his side and that Harris enjoys massive funding/infrastructure advantage.
If we look at the 2020 race at this time on the RCP, Joe Biden was +8 and he officially barely won. In 2016, Hillary Clinton was up 5.1 percent and she lost.
RCP has it tied now:
whembly (477db6) — 10/25/2024 @ 10:00 amhttps://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/trump-vs-harris
Regarding Tucker, it’s contemptible that he views the American people as children requiring violent parental discipline, when the “father” is the petulant immature child, and when the “misbehavior” is the “offense” dissenting from the “father”. It’s f-cking sick.
Paul Montagu (7d8750) — 10/25/2024 @ 10:03 amCan’t-Polanski was charged in state, not federal, court.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/25/2024 @ 10:05 amHe still has a golf course here.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/25/2024 @ 10:07 amMAGAts love Nazi’s. Americans not so much.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/25/2024 @ 10:09 am@14 It will be funny to revisit this comment if the voters choose Trump. Nevertrump already has much worse terms ready for the American people.
lloyd (ca12a9) — 10/25/2024 @ 10:12 amKlink is a projection machine that doesn’t have an off switch.
lloyd (ca12a9) — 10/25/2024 @ 10:14 am“We should throw Jack Smith out with them, the mentally deranged people, Jack Smith should be considered mentally deranged and he should be thrown out of the country”
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/25/2024 @ 10:19 amlloyd, I’m sure you agree, that if you support Harris, you support all of her beliefs.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/25/2024 @ 10:26 amYIKES: Just Look at the Faces of These Undecided Voters When Asked About Kamala’s ‘Hail Hitler’ Pass
BuDuh (5b8a20) — 10/25/2024 @ 10:28 amI’m just going to double quote Dana’s Tucker Carlson.
“You’ve been a bad girl. You’ve been a bad little girl and you’re getting a vigorous spanking right now. And no, it’s not going to hurt me more than it hurts you. No, it’s not. I’m not going to lie. It’s going to hurt you a lot more than it hurts me. And you earned this. You’re getting a vigorous spanking because you’ve been a bad girl, and it has to be this way.”
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/25/2024 @ 10:29 amKlink, I don’t support putting “a bullseye on Trump” or that “we gotta lock him up”. But, I guess you do.
lloyd (ca12a9) — 10/25/2024 @ 10:32 amHahaha, Harris highlights stupid Hitler’s words. But it’s shocking that she said it.
stupid Hitler=fine
quoting stupid Hitler=over the line.
These f-ing MAGANAZIs.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/25/2024 @ 10:32 amUsing transitive property.stupid Hitler loves him some Hitler=Nazi
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/25/2024 @ 10:33 amlloyd loves him some stupid Hitler=Nazi
@26 Klink, quit taking a half dose to save money.
lloyd (ca12a9) — 10/25/2024 @ 10:36 amCan’t-Polanski was charged in state, not federal, court.
He faces federal charges as well (notably “flight”). The next CA governor might pardon his state charges.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/25/2024 @ 10:38 amlloyd, I’m sure you agree, that if you support Harris, you support all of her beliefs.
No, just some of her beliefs. That you project that on others does noot mean it should not be projected right back at you.
Harris’ top 10 arguments for your vote:
1. Not Donald Trump
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/25/2024 @ 10:40 am@21: That’s not true, but “Hail Hydra” wouldn’t surprise me. Marvel had the Deep State on its radar way back in 1965.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/25/2024 @ 10:42 amOoops. @22.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/25/2024 @ 10:43 amPresident Biden is expected to issue a formal apology for the federal government’s Native American boarding schools during a visit to Arizona on Friday.
I think it’s fine that he is issuing the apology, especially since as Dana points out it will carry some weight with Native American communities. But I have to be gauche enough to observe that the President chose a swing state in which to issue this apology. He’s not traveling to New Mexico, Oklahoma, Kansas, or the Dakotas for this appearance.
JVW (d17bc5) — 10/25/2024 @ 10:48 amNot to mention that he is doing this today, rather than on for example November 10.
JVW (d17bc5) — 10/25/2024 @ 10:49 amAs for deranged politicians jumping the shark, there’s this:
Hillary Clinton says Trump’s planned speech at Madison Square Garden is ‘reenactment’ of 1939 Nazi rally
Note that the DNC was a Madison Square Garden in 1924, 1976, 1980 and 1992, nominating John W Davis (a racist), Jimmy Carter (twice), and Bill Clinton. For the RNC, only once, in 2004, renominating W. If holding a rally there invokes Nazis, a lot of folks have questions to answer.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/25/2024 @ 10:52 amHe’s not traveling to New Mexico, Oklahoma, Kansas, or the Dakotas for this appearance.
The Navajo were deeply affected by this.
Not to mention that he is doing this today, rather than on for example November 10.
It’s what politicians do. Can’t blame them for being politicians.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/25/2024 @ 10:54 amRegarding Tucker, it’s contemptible that he views the American people as children requiring violent parental discipline, when the “father” is the petulant immature child, and when the “misbehavior” is the “offense” dissenting from the “father”. It’s f-cking sick.
Agreed, and it’s symptomatic of the problem with how we view the Presidency these days. I would point out that Trump’s opponent is playing up the “Momala” thing where she would be our national step-mother, which I find equally distasteful. I guess that in a world where half of marriages end up in divorce and a huge number of our fellow citizens grow up in households in which at least one parent is not present, too many people look to the White House for that kind of connection. That cannot be healthy to the long-term stability of our nation.
JVW (d17bc5) — 10/25/2024 @ 10:54 amYah, JVW, I tried to ignore the too obvious political strategery . . .
Dana (862f89) — 10/25/2024 @ 10:55 amDemocrats have been accusing Republicans of being Nazis since 1940. It’s just now they really mean it.
lloyd (ca12a9) — 10/25/2024 @ 10:57 amThe Navajo were deeply affected by this.
Here’s from the AP article about this:
That’s seven states listed where the President could have issued this apology. He chose the swing state with the most Electoral College votes. I know I am a super-cynic, but to me this calls into question the sincerity of his apology, and I’ll bet even some people who are far less jaundiced than I recognize this too. It angers me when politicians do the right thing but for the wrong reasons.
JVW (d17bc5) — 10/25/2024 @ 10:59 amThis just in: Washington post will NOT endorse Harris, following similar refuals at the LA Times.
Apparently the owners of both papers vetoed the endorsement, and the LAT editorial director resigned. People at the Post are also pushing back.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/25/2024 @ 11:07 amPatrick Soon-Shiong … blocked a planned endorsement of Harris
Without his daughter’s input, I’d guess.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/25/2024 @ 11:08 amVideo:
BuDuh (5b8a20) — 10/25/2024 @ 11:12 amReservation population by state:
Arizona: 262,000
Montana: 62,000
New Mexico: 60,000
California: 55,000
Oklahoma: 47,000
Since the practice was mostly aimed at reservation populations, it makes sense. Apologizing to assimilated Native Americans would be less well-received.
I recently drove from ABQ to Phoenix (LOVE adaptive cruise control and lane-keeping) and I was on or near reservation land most of the time until I hit Flagstaff. The trinkets I could have bought.
The Navajo Nation covers the Four Corners area (map), save for Colorado (what’s up with that?).
It makes incredible sense for this to happen in Arizona. It would be politics if it were anywhere else.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/25/2024 @ 11:27 amJennifer Rubin demanded LA Times columnists resign because the paper didn’t endorse the leftist. Will Rubin resign from the Post now that her paper has abstained as well?
NJRob (7ef1b0) — 10/25/2024 @ 11:55 amSimilarly, over the summer I drove from Jensen, UT to Flagstaff, and then later from Flagstaff to the Bay Area (two different days). The Jensen->Flagstaff drive included the two largest reservations in the lower 48.
One of the most famous scenescapes in the western genre of film, Monument Valley, is in the middle of the Navajo Reservation in Arizona.
aphrael (8c9441) — 10/25/2024 @ 11:56 amWill Rubin resign from the Post now that her paper has abstained as well?
What if the WaPo specifically chose not to endorse in order to force Rubin to resign? Genius-level management. No severance pay, no extended benefits.
JVW (d17bc5) — 10/25/2024 @ 11:57 amFrom NRO:
Former Post executive editor Martin Baron, who led the paper’s aggressive coverage of Trump during his presidency, opposed the move. “This is cowardice, a moment of darkness that will leave democracy as a casualty,” he told NPR. “Donald Trump will celebrate this as an invitation to further intimidate the Post’s owner, Jeff Bezos (and other media owners). History will mark a disturbing chapter of spinelessness at an institution famed for courage.”
The Washington Post lost $77 million last year. How much more money is Jeff Bezos obligated to throw away so that “democracy” doesn’t “die in darkness”? Would every reporter, editor, photographer, graphic artist, ad salesperson, etc. who is employed at the Post accept a 30% salary cut so that the paper isn’t a money loser?
It’s nice to be brave with other people’s money. Clearly the WaPo’s current business model of telling high-strung progressives what they want to hear isn’t working out on the accounting ledger, so perhaps Bezos thinks that maybe the newspaper has to shed its aggressive support of Democrats and left-leaning causes in order to appeal to a more centrist and right-leaning audience. And given that it is really hard to do that in news coverage short of firing all of the reporters and editors and starting anew, maybe toning down the strident leftism on the editorial page is the way to go.
It’s ironic that everyone on the left dogpiled on Elon Musk for spending all of that money in buying Twitter and then watching its market value fall, but now they essentially demand that Jeff Bezos do the exact same thing. Maybe Bezos should really poke them in the eye by selling the newspaper to Musk. Now that would be entertaining!
JVW (d17bc5) — 10/25/2024 @ 12:07 pmBased on what evidence? Polanski has no real reason to return to the US, he’s being protected by European courts from extradition, so this is speculative at best. His criminal behavior has not been an issue in California’s politics. It’s about as likely as Sirhan Sirhan being pardoned.
Interesting factoid, he’s in the same prison as the Menendez brothers.
Rip Murdock (69aa54) — 10/25/2024 @ 12:09 pmIt is actually believable that Rip is an expert on Roman Polanski.
BuDuh (5b8a20) — 10/25/2024 @ 12:20 pmIt is actually believable that Rip is an expert on Roman Polanski.
Knock it off, BuDuh. That’s a gratuitous smear and if you’re looking to start a pointless back-and-forth with Rip then I would prefer that you just take the rest of the day off.
JVW (d17bc5) — 10/25/2024 @ 12:23 pmI will take the day off. I apologize Rip and JVW. If you are able to delete it, I ask that you do. My reasons for taking such a shot at Rip are my own, and I should not have gone so far.
Thanks, JVW. Sorry about wasting your time.
BuDuh (5b8a20) — 10/25/2024 @ 12:30 pmDemocrat Iran Collusion
Democrat PAC Publishes Internal Trump Campaign Emails Leaked By Iranian Hacking Group
lloyd (ca12a9) — 10/25/2024 @ 12:38 pmThat’s a disgusting personal attack, and your apology is not accepted. You should take more than a day off.
Rip Murdock (69aa54) — 10/25/2024 @ 12:42 pmAnd it’s not the first time BuhDuh has made crude remarks about myself and others.
Rip Murdock (69aa54) — 10/25/2024 @ 12:48 pmBuhDuh needs a longer time out.
I strongly advise you to take the win and BuDuh’s gracious apology, Rip. Your hands are not entirely clean in the matter of provoking commenters either, so spare us your umbrage please. – JVW
Rip Murdock (69aa54) — 10/25/2024 @ 12:49 pm#44 —
Slick burn.
#46 —
I can’t imagine Rubin has much influence on the WaPo P/L.
Appalled (c2a23b) — 10/25/2024 @ 12:49 pmThe Tax Foundation has estimated that the tax agendas of both of the major Presidential candidates would cause a two percent drop in GDP (I’m assuming that they mean the GDP would be two percent smaller than it would otherwise be under current tax policy, and not that it would be two percent smaller than it presently is) if fully enacted. Donald Trump’s plans for a 20% universal tariff and additional tariffs on China would shave 1.3% off of GDP, and the expected retaliation from our trading partners would cost us an additional 0.4% to 0.7%, depending upon how severe the response is.
For Kamala Harris, her increase of corporate taxes to 28% and to impose higher taxes on wealthy households would also decrease GDP by a total of two percent. That might not sound like much, but given that we’re approaching $30 trillion in annual GDP, that two percent figure means an additional $600 billion in lost productivity each year, in order to raise perhaps another $60 billion or so in federal revenue (likely considerably less). And we know that neither candidate is likely to cut spending commensurately.
The Tax Foundation points out that it is not reflexively anti-tax and it does see some positive aspects to various tax proposals. They support Donald Trump’s pledge to cancel the green tax credits issued by the Biden Administration, pegging them as inefficient and poorly-distributed. They also support Trump’s proposal to limit line-item deductions, and in general they suggest that increasing efficiency in tax calculation is far more desirable than continuing to create narrow loopholes and deductions. They also join with the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development in believing that moving at least partially from income taxes to consumption taxes is a better policy, even if that means adopting items conservatives have long disdained such as value-added taxes and environmental taxes.
JVW (d17bc5) — 10/25/2024 @ 12:50 pmRoman Polanski sticking a switchblade up Jack Nicholson’s nose in Chinatown is the most schadenfreude scene since Karl Malden beat up Marlon Brando in One-Eyed Jacks.
nk (dcba32) — 10/25/2024 @ 12:55 pmI don’t engage in name calling, personal insults, or crude personal remarks, as BuhDuh did here. On the contrary, I try to base my arguments on facts and evidence.
Rip Murdock (69aa54) — 10/25/2024 @ 1:02 pmProvoking commenters about the issues one thing, but make crude personal attacks is another.
Rip Murdock (69aa54) — 10/25/2024 @ 1:04 pmRIP Grateful Dead co-founder and bassist Phil Lesh (84).
Rip Murdock (69aa54) — 10/25/2024 @ 1:08 pmWhile it makes sense for Biden to go to Arizona for the apology, it’s amazing that it’s taken until 2024 for a sitting President to make the effort. I suspect if Deb Haaland hadn’t been elected and pushed for this, I think Biden would’ve followed every other president’s lead.
Dana (4dd8af) — 10/25/2024 @ 1:30 pmWhile it makes sense for Biden to go to Arizona for the apology, it’s amazing that it’s taken until 2024 for a sitting President to make the effort.
Especially given that the Federal Indian Boarding School Initiative report was released in May 2022, nearly thirty months ago. It’s almost if they either purposely sat on this apology to maximize the political impact, or else they just forgot about it until the Arizona polling started looking dicey for the incumbent Vice-President.
JVW (d17bc5) — 10/25/2024 @ 1:49 pmI don’t know if the event has taken place yet, but if President Biden politicizes it in any way then the DNC ought to be required to reimburse the government for part of the President’s travel costs. And knowing Biden, if he goes off script for even one second you can bet he’ll try to politicize it.
JVW (d17bc5) — 10/25/2024 @ 1:55 pmhttps://x.com/TrueTheVote/status/1849842639706681387
Last minute fraudulent registrations. Why?
NJRob (7ef1b0) — 10/25/2024 @ 2:01 pm> The next CA governor might pardon his state charges.
Meh. it’s theoretically possible. But unless there’s some link between Koulanakis and Polanski, it’s hard ot imagine it happening; there’s no *reason* for it, it’s not an active issue at all.
aphrael (6d7960) — 10/25/2024 @ 2:31 pmIt’s contemptible, the inability by Trump and James David Hamel to say that Putin is the bad guy, when he’s clearly the bad guy, and I shouldn’t have to count the ways. The moral calculus is 1+1=2. Trump has never condemned Putin for any of his war crimes or terrorist attacks or mass murders or child abductions or for illegitimately invading in the first place, and I’ve never heard Vance call out Putin either.
Yeah, contemptible, morally and geopolitically.
Meantime, Putin’s economy is sucking wind, so a Trump victory would be a huge help to the diminutive despot. Putin’s central bank just bumped their key interest rate by two points, to 21%, indicating that their inflation rate is notably above the previously reported 7.5% rate in mid-2023.
With Putin having to sell his oil to China and India at healthy discounts, and because he’s made himself a pariah in the West, he’s aligning more with the other Axis of Evil members, i.e., Iran and North Korea, to prosecute his dirty war, while Syria and China are in the wings.
And so forth.
Paul Montagu (7d8750) — 10/25/2024 @ 4:24 pmRIP singer Jack Jones (86).
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/25/2024 @ 4:31 pmBREAKING: Israel is ba-ba-ba-bombing Iran.
Paul Montagu (7d8750) — 10/25/2024 @ 4:35 pmMore.
Paul Montagu (7d8750) — 10/25/2024 @ 4:36 pmApparently she agrees.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/25/2024 @ 4:38 pmTrue the Vote is a zero credibility outfit that has embarrassingly lost every Georgia lawsuit. In one case, they were asked to submit evidence and they refused.
Paul Montagu (7d8750) — 10/25/2024 @ 4:39 pmThe next governor might give the State of the State speech standing on their head, but it is just as unlikely to happen.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/25/2024 @ 4:49 pm😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
Set aside, for a moment, on the idea to court packing for a second…
Kamala Harris recently argued that we should expand to 12 justices…
…she so stupid, in that the absolute lunacy of expanding to even numbered of justices.
The stupid burns…
whembly (003ea2) — 10/25/2024 @ 4:49 pm“True the Vote is a zero credibility outfit that has embarrassingly lost every Georgia lawsuit. In one case, they were asked to submit evidence and they refused.”
They’re right in that there actually is a large reported vote registration fraud. What they’re not saying is that a likely suspect is Scott Presler, who has claimed he registered more Amish than exist in the state.
Davethulhu (7db92d) — 10/25/2024 @ 4:53 pmClassy, Trump monetizing an assassination attempt. They don’t say he’s a short-fingered vulgarian for nuthin’.
Paul Montagu (7d8750) — 10/25/2024 @ 4:58 pmhttps://nypost.com/2024/10/25/us-news/swing-state-county-reports-thousands-of-suspected-fraudulent-voter-registration-forms/
Paul attacks the messenger yet again so he can ignore the message and stay within his comfortable cocoon.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 10/25/2024 @ 5:10 pmTrue the Vote has a track record, a shiddy one. Take ’em with a huge grain of salt.
Paul Montagu (7d8750) — 10/25/2024 @ 5:20 pmI know you don’t pay attention to the NY Post either. After all, they reported on that Biden laptop that you dismissed.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 10/25/2024 @ 5:39 pmWell, there you go, making sh-t up again. The asshole is never far below the surface with you.
Paul Montagu (7d8750) — 10/25/2024 @ 5:53 pm@80
What a minute…
…just a fricking minute!
Since when did you give credence to the Hunter Biden laptop story?
whembly (003ea2) — 10/25/2024 @ 6:18 pmOne of the most famous scenescapes in the western genre of film, Monument Valley, is in the middle of the Navajo Reservation in Arizona.
They [literally] fought long and hard to make that happen.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/25/2024 @ 7:07 pmMaybe Bezos should really poke them in the eye by selling the newspaper to Mus
I don’t think that’s it. It’s more that the smart money is on Trump and they have a LOT to lose. Bezos and Musk don’t need the President and Congress wanting to carve them a new orifice, no matter how important they endeavors are to the nation. Harris won’t do that; she’ll maybe raise their taxes.
You could say it’s intimidation. You could also say that putting all that power in one office was a bad idea. The idea that we would only elect reasonable people, or at least those constrained by public opinion and checks and balances, such as they are, was a really stupid plan. Now the piper has shown up.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/25/2024 @ 7:13 pmSince when did you give credence to the Hunter Biden laptop story?
Since Biden admitted it was true, and everyone saw what a pile of crap the denials had been and opened up their memory hole apps.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/25/2024 @ 7:15 pm76: gee Paul, his daughter was attacked by some SF woman who organized a boycott of Ivanaka Trump items; his ties and what not were removed from Macys and other stores when libs complained that their mere presence offended them; his administration appointments were chased from restaurants; his legal fees must be astronomical given a defense of four government suits, one of which was for repaying a loan on time (which the NY Appellate Division questioned at length) (oh wait-it was for inflating the financial report the Bank did not rely on); another for having classified documents that Biden had from an even earlier time.
So you find it “crass” not that those things happened, but that he sells things to people who voluntarily buy them? Well, we can’t all be Burisma Board members.
Harcourt Fenton Mudd (ed36e6) — 10/25/2024 @ 7:55 pmBezos and Soon-Shiong have higher priorities in heavily regulated industries (space travel, healthcare) and contracts to worry about than a newspaper endorsement. If their newspapers endorsed Harris and Trump wins, they would be caught on the short end of the stick.
It would be a shame if Bezos’ Blue Origin rocket or his and Soon-Shiong’s healthcare ventures suddenly faced regulatory hurdles from the Trump administration.
Rip Murdock (69aa54) — 10/25/2024 @ 7:59 pmFreddie Freeman hits a walk off grand slam in the 10th inning, Dodgers win 6-3.
Rip Murdock (69aa54) — 10/25/2024 @ 8:40 pmTucker was endorsing Trump’s belief that America needs to be punished for falling short in obeisance to him. They must be more like the people of North Korea: “[Kim Jong Un] speaks and his people sit up at attention. I want my people to do the same.” https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/recording-of-trump-talking-about-kim-jong-un/
Radegunda (ddd71b) — 10/25/2024 @ 8:57 pmNice to see you, Radegunda.
You’re right, of course. If Trump could only have the obedience of the American people that KJU has. Shame on us!
Dana (c1941e) — 10/25/2024 @ 9:17 pmWashington post joins LA Times in no endorsement for president. Getting ready for trump presidency! Rats leaving the sinking ship! Looks like AOC will be the first woman president after all! trump 2024 2026 Democrat party purge of corporate stooges. Trumpsters incarcerated 2028!
asset (58f05c) — 10/25/2024 @ 9:32 pm@88 Ridiculous.
“I’m kidding, you don’t understand sarcasm.”
lloyd (a4f50c) — 10/25/2024 @ 9:37 pmIts beginning texas trumpster assaults election worker. (AP) Az man arrested for shooting up democrat party office in tempe. (ABC news)
asset (58f05c) — 10/25/2024 @ 9:49 pmThat’s true, but since your qualification implies a false equivalence, I’ll mostly go with intimidation. Only one candidate is threatening to use the power of government to punish unfriendly media outlets. It’s a good bet Bezos is knuckling to that coercion. Trump’s “nice conglomerate you’ve got there” strong-arming is right out of the authoritarian playbook that’s turned several late 20th and early 21st century democracies into functional autocracies with only the vestigial trappings of democracy (e.g., Venezuela, Turkey, Hungary). Bezos isn’t exactly covering himself in glory, but I mainly blame us if we put this thug back in power. Which I continue to maintain we’re about to do.
lurker (c23034) — 10/25/2024 @ 10:08 pmKen White’s opinion of the race.
lurker (c23034) — 10/25/2024 @ 10:24 pmFreddie Freeman hits a walk off grand slam in the 10th inning, Dodgers win 6-3.
I’ve been a fan of the Dodgers since they came to LA. Long time. I saw Koufax pitch at the fist game I actually attended, and set what was then the season strike-out record. I remember when the cheap bastards at the front office didn’t want to pay him the enormous salary of $100K. I think Mookie gets 300 times that.
I remember watching World Series in ’77, ’78 and ’81 between these two teams. Garvey, Cey, Russel and Lopes. Greg Nettles guarding the 3rd base line. Mr October being Mr October.
And I remember, a few months sober, going to my first (and only) World Series game in 1988, seats on second level behind first base, and seeing Kurt Gibson end the game abruptly with a line drive homer to right.
This was like that. I doubt anyone left the stadium for a good half hour.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/26/2024 @ 12:45 amIt’s a good bet Bezos is knuckling to that coercion. Trump’s “nice conglomerate you’ve got there” strong-arming is right out of the authoritarian playbook
This would be a lot more convincing if they weren’t going after Musk right now, after he threw his support to Trump. FTC going after Tesla, CA Coastal Commission denying SpaceX launch requests CITING his support of Trump. They will be going after StarLink frequency allocations next.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/26/2024 @ 12:51 amBezos isn’t exactly covering himself in glory, but I mainly blame us if we put this thug back in power. Which I continue to maintain we’re about to do
When half the country wants to throw the bums out, and actually seeks a strongman to force long-delayed change (explain why we can’t have immigration laws), then it’s probably a good idea to look at the beam in your own eye. Mass populism does not happen without SERIOUS effing up by the Establishment.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/26/2024 @ 12:55 amAdmittedly, the groundswell is partly in spite of Trump. If a serious leader was leading the charge (as in 1980) it wouldn’t be close.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/26/2024 @ 12:56 amKen White’s opinion of the race.
Maybe it’s a little exaggerated?
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/26/2024 @ 1:00 amKurt Gibson’s 1988 Game 1 at bat, called by Vin Scully. Excellent quality.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/26/2024 @ 1:15 am*Kirk
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/26/2024 @ 1:15 amThat’s populist nonsense. Every country that elects a strongman who proceeds to undo democracy has problems. The voters of Venezuela, Turkey, Hungary, post-Soviet Russia, and Weimar Germany all had more to b!tch about than we do. That doesn’t excuse their choosing the demagogue over the boring institutionalist who wouldn’t seduce them with lies about restoring national greatness on the backs of elites and enemies within.
In the words of our host, “Our electorate is trash.” I wouldn’t put it that harshly myself — I’d replace “trash” with “credulous” — but the upshot is the same. We get the autocrat we deserve. No one is responsible for our choices but us.
lurker (c23034) — 10/26/2024 @ 2:16 amAnd, by the way, the reason we can’t have immigration laws is that Trump told his Congressional toadies to kill the most comprehensive reform in recent memory. Far from perfect, but a lot better than anything that’s come close to passing in decades. So until 2024 you could blame the establishment. Today, the problem is Trump’s. And he bought it only so he could cynically promise to fix it. Everyone reading these threads knows that if Trump was president and Congress passed that exact bill, he’d sign it and demand credit for the greatest triumph in immigration law in history.
lurker (c23034) — 10/26/2024 @ 2:23 amForgot to link Pat’s quote. Here it is.
lurker (c23034) — 10/26/2024 @ 2:26 amIn a democracy (actually democratic republic based on slavery 3/5 a person) see 13 and 14 amendments you get the kind of government you deserve! 2nd amendment south feared their slave patrols might get disarmed. Dred Scott II decision (Dobbs) The left awaits the discrediting of the corporate establishment democrats to take the party over. Does anyone here think trump will really arrest debbie wasserman schultz and the rest of the d.n.c. ? Or msDNC hosts?
asset (58f05c) — 10/26/2024 @ 3:10 amThe bill in question spent more on Ukraines border than ours. You may support that, but stop lying about what the bill actually did.
SaveFarris (8b551e) — 10/26/2024 @ 4:50 amRich jerkoffs and their hobbies. Sports teams, newspapers, and glorified texting. Meh!
nk (6a4429) — 10/26/2024 @ 5:41 am@103 What 2024 has taught us:
1. Republicans were right that the existing laws are sufficient to achieve some semblance of control at the border.
2. Democrats will do something on the border during an election year, and the next three years aren’t election years.
3. Democrats and their fellow travelers will blame a private citizen and just about anyone else for their own policy failures.
lloyd (ead6fa) — 10/26/2024 @ 7:46 amWe get the autocrat we deserve. No one is responsible for our choices but us.
That’s nonsense. IF we elect him, it’s because we found the current situation intolerable. A happy electorate doesn’t reach for an autocrat. They do it because democracy has already failed them.
The voters of Venezuela, Turkey, Hungary, post-Soviet Russia, and Weimar Germany all had more to b!tch about than we do.
And you acknowledge my point, while missing it.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/26/2024 @ 7:49 amIn the words of our host, “Our electorate is trash.”
Since he and I benefited heavily from the ancien regime, I can say this: “Our electorate is tired of supporting stuff that benefited me but not themselves.”
Don’t have a first-tier education?
Don’t have a professional career?
Aren’t immune to foreign competition?
Well, those were your choices. You’re trash.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/26/2024 @ 7:53 amOne, I read the NY Post story right off the bat (and the follow-ups), which is why Rob’s a liar.
Paul Montagu (7d8750) — 10/26/2024 @ 7:54 amTwo, I was skeptical of the story because it involved a disbarred lawyer who defames private citizens and is under indictment, so I was awaiting further confirmation.
And, by the way, the reason we can’t have immigration laws is that Trump told his Congressional toadies to kill the most comprehensive reform in recent memory.
It was broken 30 years before Trump, and while that WAS “he most comprehensive reform in recent memory” it was also the first one. A day late and a dollar short.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/26/2024 @ 7:55 amIf you want to see a huge rewrite of immigration laws, start the process of mass deportation and make your problem their problem.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/26/2024 @ 7:56 amNon-sequitur. None of your comment has anything to do with monetizing an assassination attempt. There are partisans on both sides who’ve made threats and engaged in violence.
Paul Montagu (7d8750) — 10/26/2024 @ 7:57 amTwo, I was skeptical of the story because it involved a disbarred lawyer
After all, Hunter Biden had a great reputation at the time.
/sarc
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/26/2024 @ 7:58 amI don’t think that Trump is in any danger of assassination before the election, at least not from the Left. It would remove Harris’ last chances and elect President Vance.
AFTER the election, I’d have some concern about someone on the Right preferring Vance.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/26/2024 @ 8:00 amYou pushed the 51 intelligence officials garbage hook, line and sinker. You took the bait because you wanted the lie to be true
NJRob (92b394) — 10/26/2024 @ 8:01 amSo, after further confirmation, you no longer trust the 50+ intelligence officers that lied?
And you fully accept the Biden lied, on the debate stage, about the laptop?
BuDuh (5b8a20) — 10/26/2024 @ 8:02 amOne has nothing to do with the other.
Paul Montagu (7d8750) — 10/26/2024 @ 8:05 amKevin, then you don’t know how unhinged those on the left truly are.
NJRob (92b394) — 10/26/2024 @ 8:06 amWe have had way too much evidence in the last nine years, and getting stronger by the year, that you cannot spell Republican without l-i-a-R.
nk (6a4429) — 10/26/2024 @ 8:07 amViral video of ripped-up Pennsylvania ballots is fake and Russian-made, intelligence agencies say
nk (6a4429) — 10/26/2024 @ 8:13 amPolice and prosecutors in Pennsylvania conducted their own investigation and found that the video had been “fabricated.”
Kevin, then you don’t know how unhinged those on the left truly are.
There are plenty of missing hinges among the ideologically-driven. On
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/26/2024 @ 8:23 ambothall sides.We know that the Democrats are truthful, honest and full of integrity because they are willing to talk about Trump’s lies.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/26/2024 @ 8:25 amBesides credibility, what use was Hunter’s laptop to anybody who was not looking for video examples of how to be pleasing to men?
nk (6a4429) — 10/26/2024 @ 8:40 amNk,
confirmation of what Hunter’s business partners said were deals where Joe Biden was involved
NJRob (92b394) — 10/26/2024 @ 8:53 amI assume you mean the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration investigation into Tesla’s “Full Self-Driving” system that failed to identify and killed a pedestrian; and whether that system has been involved in other collisions during reduced roadway visibility conditions.
What other exemptions should Musk/Tesla receive from the government for being because Musk?
Rip Murdock (69aa54) — 10/26/2024 @ 8:58 amAnd yet even with that “confirmation” the House’s Judiciary and Oversight Committees couldn’t muster enough votes in their own groups to submit impeachment articles for the full House to consider.
Rip Murdock (e05b50) — 10/26/2024 @ 9:03 amHow about the Chinese are flying to the Moon and we’re using all our space money for Musk’s low earth orbit door dashes?
nk (6a4429) — 10/26/2024 @ 9:05 amstupid Hitler to Joe Rogan-“You know what? Without speaking to you, I think I know you maybe almost as well as your wife.”
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/26/2024 @ 9:13 amWhy did you pick a Nazi as your online name, Klink?
BuDuh (5b8a20) — 10/26/2024 @ 9:15 amRemember that time that stupid Hitler broke the law and used Arlington National Cemetery?
His SS (stupid sissies), did indeed assault a lady. I wonder where that video is that they are supposed to have that showed them not assaulting her…still waiting.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/26/2024 @ 9:16 amstupid Hitler on how depressed Abraham Lincoln was on losing his son.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/26/2024 @ 9:50 amKamala picks up key endorsement
lloyd (d0f37b) — 10/26/2024 @ 10:51 amDemocrats Warn It May Take At Least 4 Years To Count Ballots.
lloyd (d0f37b) — 10/26/2024 @ 10:54 amMAGA warns that there will be a civil war if stupid Hitler loses.
For the dems, the threat is a comedy punch line, for the MAGAts, it’s an aspiration for bloodshed.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/26/2024 @ 11:12 amWife of slain cop warned Tim Walz to stay away from funeral — or she’d ‘escort his ass out of here’
lloyd (d0f37b) — 10/26/2024 @ 11:34 amAny reason we still don’t have a report on the 2 assassins that tried to murder the next President?
NJRob (92b394) — 10/26/2024 @ 11:37 amWelcome to your typical Democrat run city.
Pop-up clinic hands out needles, pipes to drug users in NW Portland school zone
lloyd (d0f37b) — 10/26/2024 @ 11:42 amDid I miss a couple of assassination attempts on Harris? That darn lamestream fake news media.
You can’t be talking about stupid Hitler’s, since there have been thousands of articles about them. BTW, one is dead and one ran away and was arrested, in case your memory hole leaked the info.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/26/2024 @ 11:45 amTrump assassination 911 calls
Rip Murdock (dc18a3) — 10/26/2024 @ 11:53 amJust a five second internet search away:
Rip Murdock (dc18a3) — 10/26/2024 @ 12:12 pmTouché!
Rip Murdock (dc18a3) — 10/26/2024 @ 12:13 pmNJRob:
I hope the above links help.
Rip Murdock (dc18a3) — 10/26/2024 @ 12:33 pmBecause this is how you catch the bad
guyspeopleHarris Made Intel Agencies Sift Through Years Of Docs Ensuring Similar Adjectives Were Used To Describe Both Genders
lloyd (d0f37b) — 10/26/2024 @ 12:38 pmYou’re lying about that too, Rob, because I’ve hardly said a thing about it, and exactly nothing in the months after they released their statement. I said one time, years later, that they qualified their statement, which was true, but you don’t comprehend plain English, and you or someone else had a temper tantrum about it.
I’m not the guy who has obsessed about Hunter’s laptop for years, but you MAGAs and FoxNews have.
I did say this on 10/24/2020, ten days after the story came out…
…which is a true statement.
I also said this on November 3rd, one day before Election Day…
Nailed it.
I didn’t trust or distrust what they said, I hardly paid attention to it. That’s a MAGA/FoxNews obsession, not mine. Bottom line, they made a political statement that turned out to be not true. Big whoop. It wasn’t the first time, won’t be the last that a political statement is worthless, but they hurt their credibility in not retracting it.
Paul Montagu (7d8750) — 10/26/2024 @ 12:42 pm@103
That is some ahistorical bs that I’m astounded that you would regurgitate that.
That Senate Bill was DOA no matter what Trump would say.
It was:
a) a bill that sent more money to Ukraine than immigration-anything.
b) a bill that codifies an “allowance” of illegals migrating into the US.
c) a bill that gave the POTUS and Secretary an “out” to bypass any limits.
d) a bill that puts illegals on pathways to citizenship
e) a bill that fully funds many NGOs to perpetuates illegal migrations.
f) a bill that gives massive funds for immigration lawyers.
…and more. Just read the “F’n” bill and stop parroting Democrat talking points. It’s just insipid.
Anyone saying that bill was a net positive for this nation is either ignorant of what the bill would actually do, or you are outright lying.
I’ll let you choose.
whembly (003ea2) — 10/26/2024 @ 1:09 pmYes, all that. It wasn’t far from perfect. It was a bad bill.
Actually, the worst provision in the bill was expediting work authorization for asylum seekers. Work authorization is the magnet that brings migrants here, and no one can reasonably say this is a good bill when it further incentivizes bogus asylum claims that take years to process.
lloyd (d0f37b) — 10/26/2024 @ 1:20 pmHey, guess what, there was a bill to fund medicare for seniors, way more money than immigration reform.
Hey, guess what, there was a bill to fund F35 acquisition, way more money than immigration reform.
Hey, guess what, there was a bill to fund Israeli support, way more money than immigration reform.
Hey, guess what, there was a bill to fund ethanol subsidies (terrible fuel), way more money than immigration reform.
You see, the federal government has to walk and chew gum at the same time. while juggling, reading a book, calculating pi to the 34 digit…all at this same time.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/26/2024 @ 1:26 pmstupid Hitler on how depressed Abraham Lincoln was on losing his son.
And he was. It just wasn’t Tad, it was Willie who died in 1862.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/26/2024 @ 1:26 pmJust a five second internet search away:
Trust the Institutions (and the Institutionalists) to think it’s all about them. It is no mystery that the SS is incompetent, bureaucratic and focused on their own power and budgets. What is as yet unknown is the result of any in-depth investigation into the would-be assassins. Assuming there has been such.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/26/2024 @ 1:30 pmIt appears that the information on his hard drive is accurate, although it remains to be seen whether it’s been “salted” with fake entries or photos.
How could this have been more grudging, Paul?
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/26/2024 @ 1:32 pmAs they say, mindreading is an intellectually lazy and dishonest practice. If you weren’t around, I wouldn’t have known how I felt.
Paul Montagu (7d8750) — 10/26/2024 @ 1:43 pmThe truth is that I was skeptical about the laptop because a sh-tbag like Rudy was involved, after knowing for months his role in hobnobbing with Russian spies and pro-Russian partisans wrt Ukraine. When there was enough confirmation that it was authentic, I acknowledged it, but still had questions about chain of custody. You can take that or leave it.
133: Hey Col., its not disputed that Abe’s son “William,” did die of Typhoid Fever at the White House while Lincoln was president. So Trump used a different name: big deal: his central point was correct; historically its accurate except for the name.
Are you really one of those “gotcha” guys that call someone stupid for saying that “2400” people died at Paarl Harbor because it was 2403? What am I saying: of course you are.
Harcourt Fenton Mudd (ed36e6) — 10/26/2024 @ 1:46 pmTouché
BuDuh (59fcd7) — 10/26/2024 @ 2:05 pmThe Coast Guard has a new ship.
And she’s named after an amazing lady.This is part of her citation for the Medal of Freedom:
Jim Miller (434d12) — 10/26/2024 @ 4:28 pmWell deserved.
Rip Murdock (fc3b85) — 10/26/2024 @ 4:35 pmToo good to check, the hot and lethal Israeli fighter pilot.
Paul Montagu (7d8750) — 10/26/2024 @ 4:48 pmLet’s just skip the election:
Rip Murdock (fc3b85) — 10/26/2024 @ 5:02 pmGood news. It’s looking like a win in Georgia.
Paul Montagu (7d8750) — 10/26/2024 @ 5:07 pmPutin is 0-2 with Moldova-Georgia.
Musk was an illegal immigrant, one of those “invaders”.
Paul Montagu (7d8750) — 10/26/2024 @ 5:14 pmSuch a brutal ad:
whembly (003ea2) — 10/26/2024 @ 5:23 pmhttps://x.com/baseballcrank/status/1850278596058788329?s=12&t=LbMzhpSB3yC2zvXzo7p_lA
Putin’s people have threatened Musk personally over Starlink, and Starlink has continuously worked with the US government and Ukraine to block Russian usage.
Mush was incorrectly said to have blocked a Ukrainian attack on the Black Sea fleet, but Starlink showed that the area was geofenced to block Russian use and when Ukrainian drones entered the geofenced sanctioned area, they disconnected.
The Pentagon and SpaceX eventually blocked Russia’s use of Starlink satellites but Russia continues to find work arounds.
Ukraine tried to get Musk to selectively undo geofencing but Musk refused- I think correctly because that would be an act of war by a private US company- again, Putin is said to have told Musk he will hold Musk personally responsible. Musk has proposed that the US buy and license StarShield for Ukraine.
regarding military use of Starlink vs. Starshield, Musk says Starlink needs to be civilian, and Starshield will be owned the US government and controlled by the US.
Wikipedia notes “Russia has tried to cut off and jam internet services in Ukraine, including attempts to block Starlink in the region.[10] Russian cyberattacks against Starlink appear to have been ineffective compared to other satellite services.[6][118] Reasons advanced include SpaceX’s speed of response and Starlink engineers’ ability to defeat Russian jamming.[6] The director for electronic warfare at the US Secretary of Defense described the speed of the software response he witnessed to one attack as “eye-watering”.
Musk believes that Russia should be allowed to keep Crimea for historical reasons, and also feels Luhansk and Donetsk should be allowed to vote on Ukraine or Russia.
I strongly disagree, but don’t think these positions make Musk a Putin toady. I understand and reject the conclusions, but understand the reasoning. Something will have to give in negotiation and Musk is not unique in his views.
Many people in the EU and NATO share them. I don’t think a vote works because Russia will cheat, Russia has relocated Ukrainians out “ethnic cleansed” the territories. So no.
I’d like to see Crimea stay with Ukraine, but its probably going to stay on the trading block and unless Ukraine wins the war with Russia, it isn’t keeping Crimea. Forcing Ukraine to continue to provide water to Crimea is in my view an insult added to an injury that Ukraine is probably going to have to suffer.
My feelings are that both Musk and Trump are bluntly honest in their positions on Ukraine. I prefer this to the current administration slowly bleeding Ukraine to death. I realize the primary responsibility of the Sullivan Administration is to protect the American people, and understand the majority of Americans don’t care much about Ukraine. In my view, it is short sighted but I also know that a “redline” is not an actual red line until Putin says it is- and he can let stuff go for a year, wake up one day and say “f it”
steveg (eaf3cf) — 10/26/2024 @ 5:58 pmPatterico said it. Which is he, ignorant or outright lying? I’ll let you choose.
lurker (c23034) — 10/26/2024 @ 6:29 pmYou should show where I asserted a deliberate falsehood, or retract and apologize. To quote whembly, I’ll let you choose.
lurker (c23034) — 10/26/2024 @ 6:34 pmThe fact that the Biden administration is satisfied with the Israeli attacks on Iran is disappointing. It only puts off the inevitable reckoning that Iran must face. Netanyahu should have ignored the US and hit nuclear and oil production targets, as well as command and control centers in Tehran.
Rip Murdock (fc3b85) — 10/26/2024 @ 6:34 pmYou said it, but can’t defend it. So you hide behind someone else.
lloyd (6004d6) — 10/26/2024 @ 6:41 pm@165
That’s up to him.
whembly (003ea2) — 10/26/2024 @ 6:47 pmTrump is a threat to democracy or a threat to the democrat party corporate establishment? Speaking of threats to democracy first the d.n.c. tried to prevent RFK jr. from getting the nomination and then tried to prevent Jill Stein from getting on state ballots. Has trump tried to stop libertarian party from getting on the ballot? All the corporate democrats have is abortion and in some states its on the ballot so you can vote to protect abortion rights and still vote for trump like az.
asset (2def40) — 10/26/2024 @ 6:48 pmI doubt the Murdoch-owned
WSJ was ignorant or lying.
steve,
Paul Montagu (7d8750) — 10/26/2024 @ 6:49 pmI question Musk’s knowledge about Crimea, because Putin has no better historical claim over the peninsula than over the country. If anything, there’s less of a claim.
My problem with Musk’s “peace plan” was that he asked no concessions from Putin.
We agree, Rip, and it sounds like the Israelis traveled freely through Iranian airspace, without any jets or anti-air missiles to slow them down. They could hit whatever they felt like hitting.
Paul Montagu (7d8750) — 10/26/2024 @ 6:52 pm@171
The editorial board??
LOL!
Those guys? it’s both.
whembly (003ea2) — 10/26/2024 @ 6:56 pmAll Paul and lurker have are appeals to authority. They have nothing.
lloyd (6004d6) — 10/26/2024 @ 7:02 pmBullsh-t. The appeal was to their argument in favor, which was neither ignorant nor dishonest.
Paul Montagu (7d8750) — 10/26/2024 @ 7:10 pmI don’t have to defend anything, lloyd. And I’m not hiding. I don’t pretend to have read every bill I express an opinion on. Do you? Like most people with limited time, I often rely on trusted secondary sources. Patterico is one of those sources. Since I see eye to eye with him on immigration, and have high confidence in his analytical ability, I’m perfectly comfortable having relied on his opinion of the bill. You can call it whatever you want. I call it having a life.
But that’s beside the point. As is your wont, you changed the subject to make another personal attack. Whembly asserted that anyone who says that bill was a net positive is either ignorant or lying. Since Patterico is one of the anyones who said that, I merely asked him what that makes Patterico.
lurker (c23034) — 10/26/2024 @ 7:32 pmPaul Montagu (7d8750) — 10/26/2024 @ 7:10 pm
Behind a paywall. Why not summarize it for us since you’re so in sync with it?
lloyd (102a5a) — 10/26/2024 @ 7:33 pmlloyd, why not spend a buck a week and so you can inform yourself, but since I’m a magnanimous guy, some excerpts…
Bottom line, putting the bill into law was better than not doing so, especially since no other law that restricts the flow has been passed in this century.
Paul Montagu (7d8750) — 10/26/2024 @ 7:43 pm@176
I highly encourage you to do some more research then.
Here are 10 “issues” with that bill:
1–It codifies Catch/Release. This is pernicious as current federal law dictates that illegal aliens MUST be detained.
2–Let allows in ‘x’ amount of illegal up to a certain threshold. This “threshold” is a soft cap, as the POTUS or DHS Secretary can ignore.
3–If provides federal funds for Sanctuary Cities to handle the influx of illegal immigration.
4–It provides federal funds to NGOs moving and housing illegals.
5–It provides federal funds for illegal migrants to pay for their lawyers.
6–It codifies work permits to illegals.
7–There’s literally nothing of importance to deport illegals.
8–There was no immediate fundings for things like wall infrastructures, or border patrol staff to actually patrol the border.
9–It codifies weak asylum screenings.
10–Lastly, they try to “sneak in” $60B to Ukraine to this “immigration reform” bill.
I promise you… you’ll realize that you’ve been had if you’ve done your research.
whembly (003ea2) — 10/26/2024 @ 8:00 pmYeah, whembly, I have time neither to read nor engage in a lengthy point by point debate on a 34,000 word bill that will never see the light of day. I’m content to rely on credible secondary sources for my summary and analysis. And no offense, but as between you, lloyd and SaveFarris, on the one hand, and Patterico on the other, I’ll trust the summary and analysis of Patterico.
Here’s what I will say. I’ve seen most of the items on your list, here and elsewhere in the MAGA mediasphere. Even assuming, arguendo, the accuracy of all your points, they don’t make the argument that the bill isn’t still a net improvement over the status quo. And as for Item 10, IMO that’s a feature, not a bug.
lurker (c23034) — 10/26/2024 @ 8:24 pm@180
The thing you and Mr. Frey is missing from the analysis of the bill… is that there’s no teeth to force a wayward executive to follow the law.
Even worse than that, there were specific provisions that allowed the POTUS and DHS secretary to ignore the limits in that bill.
So, no, it’s NOT a net improvement. Far from it.
Instead, explain to me why you’re harping on this Senate bill, yet you don’t give the same sort of support for the HOUSE’s own immigration bill in HR 2?
Please explain your dichotomy here…
whembly (003ea2) — 10/26/2024 @ 8:32 pm@178 Paul, thank you. I was a long time subscriber to WSJ print edition until they decided to go full Chamber of Commerce mode. I don’t send money to any of the propaganda mills, left or right. But thanks, I’m very well informed. (I knew Biden was demented and the laptop was real before most folks.)
Anyway, the WSJ doesn’t address what I noted previously about expedited work authorization. It is they who are not well informed.
lloyd (c98b48) — 10/26/2024 @ 8:41 pm@176
Ridiculous.
lloyd (c98b48) — 10/26/2024 @ 8:44 pmGreat question. HR2 is the only bill that passed a chamber. It was DOA in the Senate, and the folks blaming private citizen Trump won’t blame Senate Leader Schumer. Says it all about their partisanship.
lloyd (d006b9) — 10/26/2024 @ 8:55 pmThere’s no dichotomy and I’m not harping. If you’ll recall how this began, I only brought up Trump killing the Senate bill to highlight the irony of Kevin’s claim that the inability to pass immigration laws somehow excused electing an autocratic thug. If Trump had killed HR2 I’d have mentioned that too. The only relevant point of comparison between the Senate Bill and HR2 is that the former would have passed but for Trump, and the latter had zero chance of passing under any circumstances.
lurker (c23034) — 10/26/2024 @ 9:19 pmSure, lloyd. When Chuck Schumer runs for president on a platform of passing laws he’s gone out of his way to kill, I’ll be sure to criticize him too.
As for the richness of you accusing anyone of partisanship… well there just isn’t enough Lipitor.
lurker (c23034) — 10/26/2024 @ 9:25 pmlurker (c23034) — 10/26/2024 @ 9:25 pm
It wasn’t an accusation. In contrast to others, I’ve never tried to hide my partisan leanings.
lloyd (d006b9) — 10/26/2024 @ 9:47 pmI appreciate your candid admission, but that doesn’t make your assertion of anyone else’s partisanship less of an accusation. As for me, my preferred presidential candidate was a Republican. He’s also the only candidate of either party who got any of my money. Also, as I mentioned here recently, I’ve voted against Kamala Harris in three general elections. If reluctantly supporting her now in one election against someone who tried to overthrow our democratic system of governance makes me partisan, then partisan doesn’t mean what I thought it did. Either way, I challenge any Trump supporter who claims to be less partisan than I am to disclose which 2024 national Democrat they contributed to — no, RFK Jr doesn’t count — and how many times they’ve voted against Trump in a general.
lurker (c23034) — 10/26/2024 @ 10:12 pmThat said, your admission does acquit you of hypocrisy, so to the extent I implied otherwise, I retract and apologize.
lurker (c23034) — 10/26/2024 @ 10:18 pmReacting to a presentation from a pro-Trump activist who argued that North Carolina’s Republican-controlled legislature could give the state’s electoral votes to Trump due in part to complications from Hurricane Helene, Rep. Andy Harris of Maryland said, “That makes a lot of sense.”
And yet you defend the Popular Vote Compact.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/27/2024 @ 12:19 amThe truth is that I was skeptical about the laptop because a sh-tbag like Rudy was involved, after knowing for months his role in hobnobbing with Russian spies and pro-Russian partisans wrt Ukraine.
But, not to beat a dead horse, you were OK with the Steele Memorandum that Hillary was flogging. Yeah, I can understand not much caring what Rudy was saying, but it’s almost like your problem is content-based.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/27/2024 @ 12:21 amTrump is a threat to democracy or a threat to the democrat party corporate establishment
It certainly has gotten shrill. When people you don’t particularly like, and whose policies you oppose, all all melting down over *Trump*, what does that encourage?
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/27/2024 @ 12:24 amThe thing is that Trump talks about foreigners coming over here to steal American jobs when he, himself, twice married and had children with foreigners while the country is full of childless cat ladies crying themselves to sleep every night for lack of a husband and children to make them complete.
It’s just plain heartless, that’s what it is. Callous too.
nk (d12095) — 10/27/2024 @ 4:15 amThe other thing, comrades, is that the discussion you all had above was very like the back-and-forth Cruz and Rubio had in the first Republican primary debate in 2016. Christie called them out for it — “how many angels can dance on the head of a pin”, he called it and he was right — and Trump went on to entirely preempt the issue and eat their lunch.
Immigration law has more irrationalities built in to begin with than the Arkham asylum. Nobody can make sense of it. But people have fences, walls, doors, and windows. They understand “Knock Before Entering”, “No Trespassing”, “Curb Your Dog”. Border security!
nk (28f2f9) — 10/27/2024 @ 6:13 amWhich is not to say that I would choose a rabid Pomeranian to guard my house.
nk (6c45b4) — 10/27/2024 @ 6:37 amhttps://x.com/JohnEkdahl/status/1850369875245466060?
This is all NeverTrump and the left have. Badgering and hectoring those who don’t submit.
NJRob (c52d84) — 10/27/2024 @ 7:28 amRob, can you give some context for that tweet? I couldn’t understand what they were saying or who they were, or what point you’re trying to make.
Nate (cfb326) — 10/27/2024 @ 8:52 amI have never done so; I just don’t think that it’s as big a threat actually being implemented as you believe. It’s has probably reached the maximum number of the states in favor; the states that haven’t approved it are those that would most affected by eliminating the Electoral College and thus are unlikely to vote in favor of it. And it certainly wouldn’t survive either Congressional or Supreme Court approval. At least what Ivan Raiklin proposes in North Carolina is constitutional (if against the longstanding grain of how electors are named in every other state.)
I’m just not as emotional about it this issue as you. Of all the important issues facing this country, this ranks about number 5,275,876.
The only time I spoke in favor of it was a joke about how I would like to see California be forced to award its electoral votes under the compact to someone like Donald Trump. 🤣🤣😉😉
Rip Murdock (b6dafc) — 10/27/2024 @ 8:52 amHere’s a good suggestion.
Joseph Kim thinks Congress should reauthorize the North Korean Human Rights Act, which made such a difference in his life:
Jim Miller (e1f1fd) — 10/27/2024 @ 9:02 amWho is John Ekdahl, aside from being a:
Rip Murdock (b6dafc) — 10/27/2024 @ 9:03 amIt’s wrong of me, but when I saw Ivan Raitkin’s name, I was immediately reminded of all those Ivan/Boris jokes from the Cold War.
For example, this one from 1987:
Ivan: “You know, I think this must be the richest country in the world.”
Boris: “Why do you say that?”
Ivan: “Because for 70 years everyone has been stealing from it — and there is still stuff left to steal!”
Jim Miller (e1f1fd) — 10/27/2024 @ 9:08 amWhenbly, at 181: there are no longer any teeth to force any executive to follow any law. The supreme Court has seen to that.
The law may claim it has teeth, but since the president can’t be hauled into court or punished for breaking the law, the potemkin teeth are meaningless.
aphrael (db455b) — 10/27/2024 @ 9:29 amSchadenfreude alert [emphasis mine]:
L.A. Times owner’s decision not to endorse in presidential race sparks resignations, questions
As the country turns right, so do those attempting to sell them news and opinion. It’s rather overdue, especially at the LA Times.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/27/2024 @ 9:33 amRip Murdock (b6dafc) — 10/27/2024 @ 8:52 am
Rip, you defend the rights of states to design their own electoral votes schemes. The NPVC is one such and you defend their right to do that. But not, it seems, for the legislature to do what the Constitution EXPLICITLY allows them to do — have the Legislature directly award the votes.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/27/2024 @ 9:36 amIt’s just plain heartless, that’s what it is. Callous too.
Better the childless cat ladies cry themselves to sleep over no husband (although that assumes that husband children) than they have Donald Trump as a husband.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/27/2024 @ 9:39 am* husband (symbol for bidirectional implication) children
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/27/2024 @ 9:40 amWhenbly, at 181: there are no longer any teeth to force any executive to follow any law. The supreme Court has seen to that.
Then amend the Constitution. What would you have it say?
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/27/2024 @ 9:41 amAnd it certainly wouldn’t survive either Congressional or Supreme Court approval.
Just like Obamacare wouldn’t. Or the New Deal, now a forgotten memory.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/27/2024 @ 9:42 amImpeachment is the only constitutional remedy. The Supreme Court only said that the President couldn’t be prosecuted for lawful acts; and a sitting President has always been immune from prosecution (at least since 1973). No Justice Department would indict their own President anyway.
Rip Murdock (b6dafc) — 10/27/2024 @ 10:02 amYou’re lying, Kevin. Stop lying.
I said little about the Steele reports. Do you know why? Because way too much of it was unverified, so I steered around most of the discussions. Do you know who talked the most about Steele? Sammy, by a long shot, and a distant 2nd was narciso or shipwreckedcrew.
I did say a couple things, like this, in response to a badly worded question by narciso…
…and I linked to a Newsweek piece which discussed the portions that were verified, and that’s about it.
Patterico wrote commenting rules that folks here should be following, especially you and Rob because you violated tham, and he emphasized this part:
If you’re going to make an accusation, bring a quote or link, not this bullsh-t that you and Rob are pulling. Y’all should apologize and take it back.
Paul Montagu (7d8750) — 10/27/2024 @ 10:05 amYou’re lying, Kevin. Stop lying.
Everyone is lying Paul, except you, the font of truth.
My recollection of your posts, tone-wise, is that you are monolithically against anything Trump ever said or did — or anything that seemed to help him — and supportive of any attack, denegration, rumor or innuendo that harms him. In short, a extreme anti-Trump partisan. “More in sorrow than anger”, of course. You always hope to vote for the Republican but sadly never can.
Maybe I am, in some exact circumstance, wrong, but generally I have your number, just as I have lloyd’s.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/27/2024 @ 10:25 amIf you’re going to make an accusation, bring a quote or link
Sorry, but I have no interest in searching through your 10,000 posts all saying much the same thing.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/27/2024 @ 10:26 amAs you say, the Constitution allows states to decide how to allocate their electors, it doesn’t need any defense from me. I would say the constitutionality of the NPVC is an open question, however. If it ever gets as far as an approval vote in Congress, I really don’t think it will pass.
You must have missed my saying:
It would start a long and slippery slope, but is certainly constitutional.
Rip Murdock (b6dafc) — 10/27/2024 @ 10:34 amIf you’re going to accuse me of lying, Kevin, then back it up. Otherwise, take some responsibility and stop your lying.
Paul Montagu (7d8750) — 10/27/2024 @ 10:37 amAlso, Kevin, I have supported some of Trump’s positions, so “monolithically” is dishonest on your part. Pick on someone else, asshole.
Paul Montagu (7d8750) — 10/27/2024 @ 10:39 amThe seven swing states would certainly not approve the NPVC, they would lose all the attention (and revenue) they get every four years.
Rip Murdock (b6dafc) — 10/27/2024 @ 10:40 amhttps://www.iflscience.com/universe-25-the-mouse-utopia-experiment-that-turned-into-an-apocalypse-60407
BuDuh (59fcd7) — 10/27/2024 @ 10:41 amBoth Congress and the Supreme Court have established limits on state discretion in appointing electors, see here.
Rip Murdock (b6dafc) — 10/27/2024 @ 11:16 amWow. Why would anyone want to watch all of the inter-personal dysfunction on grand display here?
It really is displaying some people at their worst moments. Too much bad-faith, too much misinformation, too much what-abouts and weird rationalizations, and too much partisan dead-brain. I have no interest in being called a liar, stupid, a mobey, TDS deranged, and a liberal. I don’t see enough benefit to put up with the abuse or, more importantly, watch it inflicted on others. I’ve tried…but the level of venom generally is just not something I want to be associated with. RedState became untenable; Volokh has a high noise to signal ratio; here, it’s like being in a home where the parents argue and malign each other continuously. It’s tedious…and in some ways, just sad. It’s lost its charm if that was ever part of it.
I have no need to manage other people’s worst selves and try to constrain my own for 30 minutes of my day.
Patrick has seemed to draw the same conclusion.
The site is just a bunch of people that despise each other and say anything to show it. I don’t see it good for my mood or my understanding of politics. I don’t need an echo chamber but I do want a good-faith or better-faith chamber. This ain’t that. Good luck to the good ones here….
AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 10/27/2024 @ 11:26 amFittingly my final comment here is in moderation 🙂
AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 10/27/2024 @ 11:28 amSorry to that you’re leaving-you are one of the better writers here.
Rip Murdock (b6dafc) — 10/27/2024 @ 11:34 amAJ, I am stumped on whether or not you believe that there were 60 million Nazis in Germany in 1923.
BuDuh (59fcd7) — 10/27/2024 @ 11:46 amNoooooo …. Don’t leave AJ !
Your comments have helped shape my decision on how to vote!
I truly appreciate your comments here. Thanks for writing them.
Chris (3d25b0) — 10/27/2024 @ 12:03 pmPremature call. Did you think Putin would allow a free election in a country on his border and which Russia has invaded and partially occupied?
Rip Murdock (b6dafc) — 10/27/2024 @ 12:15 pmAlso, Kevin, I have supported some of Trump’s positions
Link to a post in the last 3 months where you do this unequivocally.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/27/2024 @ 12:27 pmThe seven swing states would certainly not approve the NPVC, they would lose all the attention (and revenue) they get every four years.
They said this about small states, for much the same reasons, but that didn’t stop 5-vote New Mexico when the Dems got full control.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/27/2024 @ 12:28 pmBoth Congress and the Supreme Court have established limits on state discretion in appointing electors, see here.
Oh, I don’t disagree and since the Civil War, no state legislature has even chosen among slates of electors, let along picked them themselves. That 160-year pattern represents the transfer of that power onto the citizens of each state. I believe that any attempt by a state to recover that power should be held invalid. How the state subdivides the decision is their business, so long as Baker v Carr is satisfied.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/27/2024 @ 12:36 pmOnly the best people.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/27/2024 @ 12:56 pmOnly the best people.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/27/2024 @ 1:00 pmHigh class “suck my c**t”
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/27/2024 @ 1:00 pmWhy is AJ leaving?
Time123 (4efb79) — 10/27/2024 @ 1:09 pmFull photo of “suck my c**t” lady.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/27/2024 @ 1:15 pmWhy is AJ leaving?
@219
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/27/2024 @ 1:17 pmNot until you apologize and retract. It’s ironic, that you can’t find a single quote of mine that supports your claim, yet her you are, demanding that I come up with a cite. Hard pass.
That’s exactly why your personal attack is so slimy, that your laziness at finding a quote somehow gives you license or permission to make sh-t up.
You don’t have like the person or his opinion (obviously you don’t like mine and I’m not a fan of yours) but, if you’re going to challenge a person’s point of view, you should at least at minimum have the basic courtesy of quoting what the person actually said, which was why Patterico set up the commenting rules in the first place.
If I’m a little pissed off, there’s good reason after two personal attacks on me in a single thread. It’s all the more reason to join AJ and get the hell outta here.
Paul Montagu (7d8750) — 10/27/2024 @ 1:25 pmBaker v Carr has nothing to do with how a state allocates its electors. It has to do with redistricting and reappointment.
Rip Murdock (b6dafc) — 10/27/2024 @ 2:08 pmreappointment=reapportionment.
Rip Murdock (b6dafc) — 10/27/2024 @ 2:09 pmAJ,
I am sorry to hear of your decision and wish you would reconsider. Consider what Chris posted above:
This is why is so important to have commenters like you on board. We are living in truly insane times and with the election just two weeks away, it will get worse. But as it gets worse, I believe that’s when we need to have more clarity, insightful comments, and debate. You would be doing readers a disservice by letting a few push you out . Also, for me personally, it’s encouraging to have another like-minded voter on board here. Just know that you will be missed. It’s tough going for those of us here who want nothing to do with Trump.
Dana (5c83a2) — 10/27/2024 @ 2:17 pmFor those of you who thought that stupid Hitler’s Madison Square Gardens copy of the last America First Nazi rally would not confirm stupid Hitler’s bonavides in the movement, probably won’t watch for fear of the worst being confirmed.
The worst is confirmed.
“Harris and her pimp handlers will destroy our country.”
“I don’t know if you know this but there’s literally a floating island of garbage in the middle of the ocean right now. I think it’s called Puerto Rico.”
“These Latinos love making babies, there’s no pulling out, they c*m inside, just like they do to our country” other than being horribly racist, I thought these folks are super pro-life. Reality, this group has no pro-life stance, they are in MSG for purely the same reasons as the last America First rally there.
stupid Hitler’s childhood friend David Rem called Harris “the anti-Christ.”
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/27/2024 @ 2:41 pmIf you want to compare and contrast the two events.
In the first one, 100k protesters out front, and it destroyed the America First movement for 80 years at least.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/27/2024 @ 2:48 pmAJ – There are regular commenters here that I admire for their civility, intelligence, and grasp of issues.
You are one of them.
(To everyone: Our enemies in Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, and elsewhere, love it when Americans spend time insulting each other.)
Jim Miller (b8c10e) — 10/27/2024 @ 2:52 pm> Rip, you defend the rights of states to design their own electoral votes schemes. The NPVC is one such and you defend their right to do that. But not, it seems, for the legislature to do what the Constitution EXPLICITLY allows them to do — have the Legislature directly award the votes.
Sure.
The states pursuing the NPVC are attempting to align the outcome with the will of the national population *as a whole*.
A state allocating electoral votes by legislative fiat has decided to *override the voters with their own preferences*.
Constitutionally the latter is allowed. But it’s profoundly undemocratic and, in my view, absolutely immoral.
aphrael (7162c2) — 10/27/2024 @ 3:17 pmMAGA=Bund
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/27/2024 @ 3:20 pmAt this point, the racism doesn’t even matter anymore.
Paul Montagu (7d8750) — 10/27/2024 @ 4:35 pmFrom Hitler’s bunker:
BuDuh (93715c) — 10/27/2024 @ 4:42 pmVerband nationaldeutscher Juden
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/27/2024 @ 5:16 pmIt primarily attracted members from the anticommunist middle class, small business owners, self-employed professionals such as physicians and lawyers, national conservatives, and nationalist World War I veterans, many of whom believed that Nazi antisemitism was only a rhetorical tool used to “stir up the masses.“
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/27/2024 @ 5:22 pmAt some point it isn’t a parallel, it’s just the same thing.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/27/2024 @ 5:23 pmBefore the Nazi’s deported hundreds of thousands and killed millions in camps, they hadn’t yet.
There’s a reason that Killing Baby Hitler is a well known thought experiment.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/27/2024 @ 5:26 pmThere’s a way to avoid all of that, vote against Trump, or don’t vote for him at least, stay on the couch.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/27/2024 @ 5:27 pmstupid Hitler today
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/27/2024 @ 6:03 pmThe states pursuing the NPVC are attempting to align the outcome with the will of the national population *as a whole*.
According to what count? Why do you think a vote in a state that has strict voting requirements is the same as a vote in a state with exceptionally loose ones, and aren’t you going to have a race-to-the-bottom there? Suppose Mississippi allows votes to be bought. Or Vermont allows mere assertion of citizenship with no name or address required?
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/27/2024 @ 6:17 pmAt some point it isn’t a parallel, it’s just the same thing.
At some point it isn’t a parallel, it’s just different.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/27/2024 @ 6:18 pmThat would be a third of the total government spending.
Delete the DoD and Social Security.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/27/2024 @ 6:20 pmThere’s a way to avoid all of that, vote against Trump, or don’t vote for him at least, stay on the couch.
Perhaps it’s how you bring it about by making sure that the fire next time is far hotter. The TEA Party doesn’t seem so bad now, does it?
The US has problems, but we are not in anything like the condition of Weimar. But maybe we shouldn’t kick the can down that road any longer.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/27/2024 @ 6:20 pmThen why does MAGA repeat the Bund? They obviously think that selling the first America First is a winning proposition.
And folks downplaying the message are actively propagating it. Sometimes just believe what they are saying.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/27/2024 @ 6:26 pmThat would be a third of the total government spending.
Lots of things to cut before we get there. Merging all federal pension funds and beneficiaries into Social Security and Medicare would save a lot. Deleting most of the Departments of Education, Energy, Commerce, Labor, Agriculture and the Interior and spinning off the needed parts (e.g. USPTO) to stand-alone or state-level agencies would also save. Consolidating the 57 varieties of federal police and other agency duplication would be good.
But let’s not think about it, let’s just scaremonger.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/27/2024 @ 6:27 pmIt would save $282B if you just stopped them 100%, and then…Now, find the other $1.8T
Your suggestion is a rounding error, but let’s just not think about it. Because it’s easier than trying to figure out how to defend the words.
Words have meaning, so does math.
If you’re disregarding all of the words that the Bund says, and all the math they use, and memory holing the actual performance, then sure, they’re great.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/27/2024 @ 6:35 pmIt’s almost like you can look up the budgets before throwing out talking points, highlighting the stupidity of the talking point.
Don’t forget, you have to add in between $100B and $200B to deport a million people a year.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/27/2024 @ 6:36 pmIt’s funny every time he reads this from the teleprompter.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/27/2024 @ 6:52 pmWell, if you can’t cut a little bit, let’s just spend more because it doesn’t matter.
Trump’s plan for eliminating the income tax are silly, but that doesn’t mean that Harris’s plans are any better. Instead of cutting, she’d double all the taxes by soaking all the rich. And in her next breath she talks about all the wonderful new programs. Not one word about cutting the deficit.
Nor about the fiscal effect of soaking the rich. Persecuting the job creators leads to “bad luck.”
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/27/2024 @ 7:09 pmstupid Hitler’s campaign released an ad today with the voice over talking about how the country has went to hell under Biden…using video of things that happened under stupid Hitler’s time in the White House. Pretty typical.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/27/2024 @ 7:10 pmDon’t forget, you have to add in between $100B and $200B to deport a million people a year.
It costs $200,000 to deport someone? Show your work.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/27/2024 @ 7:11 pmIf it DOES cost $200K to deport someone…
1) The wall is far cheaper.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/27/2024 @ 7:13 pm2) So is using deadly force to stop the influx.
But, again, whatabout is irrelevant.
How about the stupid Hitler’s rally, please explain how all of these speakers saying the dumbest, most racist, ideas are actually good.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/27/2024 @ 7:15 pmA)Do you own f-ing homework. Your lack of knowledge is your problem.
Pointer, look at how many ICE employees there are and how many would be needed to that number.
Also, look up what it costs per person just to house and repatriate them.
It’s pretty typical Bund, wave your hand at details and make up some numbers. “Now, you do the work, I can’t be bothered”
Since you named stupid Hitler, this is the last one.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/27/2024 @ 7:21 pmAJ,
It’s axiomatic that bad commenters drive out good ones, so more sympathetic with your exasperation I could not be. It’s why I comment here so sporadically, and even more so at Volokh, where I recall your invaluable contributions in the halcyon pre-Washington Post days. But I hope you’ll re-consider making this a total, final break. It’s not your job to save a comment culture you believe has lost its way, but longstanding comment communities are worth preserving, and they’re in danger of being plowed under by the toxic belligerents. As a fellow Burkean, I hope you’ll agree it’s worth occasionally chipping in to prevent that from happening.
lurker (c23034) — 10/27/2024 @ 7:22 pmDe gustibus non est disputandum.
I agree with Raymond Chandler that all reading is escapism, the escape being from one’s own thoughts, and for most of my life I have been reading “worse” stuff than the comments here on an almost daily basis.
But if you don’t like it, you don’t like it, and that nobody can dispute except you.
Me, I have the blocking script with a couple or three noms on it. Most of the time I don’t use it. Occasionally, I am in no mood to be annoyed so I turn it on preemptively. Other times I turn it on as a substitute for a retort.
Overall, I like this site, warts and all, and I would miss it if I stayed away.
nk (4fb67d) — 10/27/2024 @ 7:43 pmBTW, during stupid Hitler’s term, he managed to deport 365k people. So 3 times as many people in 1 year would require ICE to process 12X the volume. So besides the many billions in pure logistical costs, you have to had the many billions in creating another agency roughly the size of the Marine Corp, at least 100k people.
BTWbtw, Stephen Miller says just reassign the DEA and HSA to do it, because they don’t have a job today, still wouldn’t hit half the needed bodies.
Well, activate the National Guard, you have to pay them active duty pay, more money.
BTWbtwbtw, we’ve identified closing a bunch of agencies whole cloth, identified by Kevin, we have to add in the new agency, so of the magic $2T, we’ve identified…checks the math…carry the one…none, none savings.
It’s like the Bund just makes up the numbers.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/27/2024 @ 7:47 pm(267 continued)
nk (4fb67d) — 10/27/2024 @ 8:04 pmTrump is an unpleasant subject but it’s a race between Lady Justice and Father Time as to who will take the first bite out of his wrinkled orange ass and no reason (as far as I can see) to give up Patterico’s.
David French, on what’s he learned the last nine years…
Jonah calls the remnant of the GOP where ideology defines the community as The Remnant. Se la vie.
Paul Montagu (7d8750) — 10/27/2024 @ 8:47 pmWhere are all the Bund members saying how great today went?
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/27/2024 @ 9:15 pm– David Frum
(H/T:@walterolson.bsky.social)
lurker (c23034) — 10/27/2024 @ 9:35 pm@219
Did AJ_Liberty ever get to the bottom of the site’s conspiracy of sock puppets?
lloyd (4b1423) — 10/27/2024 @ 9:42 pm@272 Has Jennifer Rubin resigned yet?
As for the LA Times, word is the Kamala endorsement was withheld because “from the River to the sea” euphoria of the owner’s daughter. But, fear of government retaliation definitely makes for a much better story.
lloyd (4b1423) — 10/27/2024 @ 9:48 pmSockpuppet says what?
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/27/2024 @ 10:00 pm@270: What French calls community I would call tribe. Otherwise, yeah.
lurker (c23034) — 10/27/2024 @ 10:23 pm@Klink:
After the Madison Square Gardens rally
lurker (c23034) — 10/27/2024 @ 10:23 pmThe great opening song for the Bund’s rally today.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/27/2024 @ 10:23 pmDang, they played the wrong version. Yes, that’s real.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/27/2024 @ 10:24 pm@274: What’s your point? Whatabout? False equivalence? Do you think a publisher who kills his newpaper’s endorsement over an editorial disagreement raises the same liberty concerns as one who kills the endorsement because he fears retaliation from a candidate who threatens retribution against his enemies, and who calls the press “truly the enemy of the people?”
lurker (c23034) — 10/27/2024 @ 10:24 pm👍
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/27/2024 @ 10:29 pmThe LA Times incident does, however, illustrate again that despite MAGA’s attempts to label Harris as an extreme leftist, the actual extreme leftists despise her, in sharp contrast to the extreme rightists who can’t festoon themselves in enough tacky, Chinese-made Trump merch.
lurker (c23034) — 10/27/2024 @ 10:31 pmMaybe the publisher is actually afraid. It’s quite possible with the rhetoric from stupid Hitler and the Bund.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/27/2024 @ 10:32 pm9 days till the election. Did they play the horst wessel at the bund rally?
asset (337204) — 10/27/2024 @ 10:49 pmAdvisers Propose That Trump Give Security Clearances Without F.B.I. Vetting
What could go wrong?
lurker (c23034) — 10/27/2024 @ 11:04 pmStephen Miller-Nur für Deutsche
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/28/2024 @ 1:06 amThe rich are different from you and me. They make more money when Republicans are in office.
nk (4fb67d) — 10/28/2024 @ 4:14 amToday is the 84th anniversary of the beginning of the end for Mussolini, when the Greeks told him ΟΧΙ! (NO!) and proceeded to wipe out his army which, in conjunction with the destruction of the Italian navy by the British, made him a non-entity in WWII. Here’s a little ditty from that time.
nk (4fb67d) — 10/28/2024 @ 5:22 amGiven that the FBI is no longer a law-enforcement organization but now a Stassi for the Democratic Party, bypassing FBI background checks sounds smart.
SaveFarris (79ab12) — 10/28/2024 @ 5:33 amFat chance. It could only be for people who do not have access to classified information (Congress says who can see what and under what conditions) or are not subject to confirmation by the Senate.
nk (4fb67d) — 10/28/2024 @ 6:05 amBut I would think that for his own piece of mind he would want a background check on Melania’s pilates instructor.
nk (4fb67d) — 10/28/2024 @ 6:09 am@280 Do I think an unsubstantiated claim that a publisher squashed an endorsement because of government retaliation is the same as any other unsubstantiated claim? Yes.
lloyd (4b1423) — 10/28/2024 @ 6:15 am@282 The extreme leftists are confirming Godwin’s Law, just like Harris supporters and Nevertrump are.
lloyd (4b1423) — 10/28/2024 @ 6:21 amQuery to those who prefer Donald Trump:
What was Trump’s intended closing argument in that rally?
Appalled (c10e88) — 10/28/2024 @ 7:19 amI agree…
And if he wins, his racism didn’t make a difference. There are 457k Puerto Ricans in PA, 115k in NC, 109k in GA, 65k in GA and 50k in MI.
Paul Montagu (7d8750) — 10/28/2024 @ 7:34 amObama last week: “How did things get so divisive?”
MSNBC, lurker, nk and Klink working from the same playbook as The Lincoln Project.
lloyd (300361) — 10/28/2024 @ 7:36 amPaul too, of course.
lloyd (300361) — 10/28/2024 @ 7:37 amThe very first line he spoke.
“Are you better off now than you were four years ago?”
SaveFarris (79ab12) — 10/28/2024 @ 8:53 am@249
No.
I’m voting against the progressive-left irrespective who is the GOP candidate.
A correction is needed to pull the Democrat party back towards the center.
Losing election is the only way.
whembly (477db6) — 10/28/2024 @ 9:07 am@298
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whembly (477db6) — 10/28/2024 @ 9:14 am> “Are you better off now than you were four years ago?”
I mean, four years ago it was illegal for me to leave my house except under very specific circumstances, so yeah, i’m *clearly* better off than i was four years ago.
aphrael (684ad0) — 10/28/2024 @ 9:29 amI mean, four years ago it was illegal for me to leave my house except under very specific circumstances
Hunh? You were living in Saudi Arabia?
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/28/2024 @ 9:37 amLosing election is the only way.
Both of them need to lose, which is why I didn’t vote for either. The lesser evil is not necessarily a D or R.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/28/2024 @ 9:39 amSo much derangement because of a rally in NYC. Echoing the leftists like MSDNC and Susan Rice.
They know their losing
NJRob (b31871) — 10/28/2024 @ 9:41 amAs of October 2020, the only state still in lockdown was California.
The governor, Newsom, is endorsing Harris.
SaveFarris (3628dd) — 10/28/2024 @ 10:01 amSaveFerris —
Trump, through ego, can’t make that 4 year argument in a way that makes sense. 4 years ago we were still in the depths of COVID and George Floyd hysteria.
But, thank you for providing, because Trump’s comedian lead off act stepped on everyone’s duck and decimated that message. In fairness, here is the rest of that argument:
Appalled (c10e88) — 10/28/2024 @ 10:09 amThe transcript is here:
https://singjupost.com/full-transcript-trumps-maga-rally-at-msg-new-york-city/?singlepage=1
The policies are vague — the insults specific.
Appalled (c10e88) — 10/28/2024 @ 10:13 amIn just this thread, first there was Rob’s lie: “You pushed the 51 intelligence officials garbage hook, line and sinker.”
Then there was Kevin’s lie: “…you were OK with the Steele Memorandum that Hillary was flogging.”
And now we have a trifecta of personal attacks.
One: “My complaint about the Lincoln Project is that they’re saying “vote for Biden”, which doesn’t sound very Republican to me.”
Two: “An early tell was their endorsement of Biden. Their ads are effective but, beyond that, I can’t support ’em.”
Three: “The Lincoln Project should’ve been destroyed after the Warner Unpleasantness [Weaver, not Warner].”
Four: “The Lincoln Project is a Democrat fundraising operation, populated mostly by Democrats and ex-Republicans.”
The above are all in opposition to the group. We’re in the last 8 days of a heated campaign, which is all the more reason to follow Patterico’s commenting rules.
Paul Montagu (7d8750) — 10/28/2024 @ 10:22 amFull transcript of Donald Trump’s Madison Square Garden speech Sunday, October27, 2024:
https://singjupost.com/full-transcript-trumps-maga-rally-at-msg-new-york-city/?singlepage=1
Contains links to other speeches and other events related to the campaign and also an audio version of the speech. And some headers were added.
Trump was wrong, by the way, in thinking that the overflow crowd on the street could see it. There was also no jumbotron, although there was a store that played it live according to WABC radio This was broadcast on WABC radio 770 AM.
His speech came much later than advertised and Elon Musk ‘s remarks must have been cut short. The whole broadcast (from about 5 pm) might possibly be found somewhere on he WABC radio website:
https://wabcradio.com/
Sammy FInkelman (e4ef09) — 10/28/2024 @ 11:16 amHe told a parable in which the small boy smeared feces, and the 14-year old girl lit a joint at the breakfast table and the 15-year old girl went into her room and slammed the door.
The “misbehavior” is most likely government bureaucrats
Curtis Sliwa does not like Tucker Carlson. Tucker Carlson was not one of the speakers WABC carried live but instead the hosts broadcast.
Curtis Sliwa told a story about Tucker Carlson. Tucker Carlson used to work for MSNBC (I think he said) and Carlson was a moderate liberal there. One week he took off and Curtis Sliwa was the designated replacement or substitute host.
The first day he had Rachel Maddow as a guest. Curtis Sliwa gave her a hard time. The next day Tucker Carlson called him and said not to come in for the rest of the week because his bosses didn’t want him to.
Sammy FInkelman (e4ef09) — 10/28/2024 @ 11:29 amTrump made the best case for himself that he could, or knew how to.
The most egregious lie was this:
I’m sure that number 325,000 comes from a real statistic, and I’m also almost completely sure that that’s not what that statistic means.
The most important truthful statement (not just something about him liking be back in New York) was this:
Soon, he was describing what he said he saw (live??) Kamala Harris lost without a teleprompter. She had to keep repeating the number 32.
Trump said it happened to anyone who uses a teleprompter, but you had to be able to keep speaking.
The last sentence is ungrammatical. By “we” is he including other Republicans or does he mean most politicians who are not Kamala Harris?
By the way, there were “millions” of people watching that campaign speech for a candidate in a Senate primary in Ohio?
I remember a story about Bill Clinton. He once added words to his speech. He claimed that the teleprompter went wrong but I think he lied and he had intended to use those words but didn’t want to have that riff perceived as pre-planned.
Sammy FInkelman (e4ef09) — 10/28/2024 @ 12:01 pmThat was not his first line.
After his thank yous it was:
That’s not correct.
The entrance to the subway station at 8th avenue was open, although it was the only entrance open, according to Nancy Sliwa. (The Hudson River’s by 12th Avenue I think)
Here’s a map of sorts:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/View_of_the_World_from_9th_Avenue
Sammy FInkelman (e4ef09) — 10/28/2024 @ 12:11 pmRe: Kevin M at 301 & 302.
By
aphrael is talking about the Covid lockdowns.
Sammy FInkelman (e4ef09) — 10/28/2024 @ 12:16 pm> Hunh? You were living in Saudi Arabia?
No, I was living in California, where there were still active lockdown orders in October of 2020.
“Are you better off today than you were four years ago” is a question that I can only answer affirmatively *at any point in 2024* because my life is *amazingly* improved from what it was at that time.
aphrael (9c2ac5) — 10/28/2024 @ 12:25 pmPaul, how you feel about The Lincoln Project means nothing when you adopt their tactics. Or, are you going to tell me making a Youngkin event look like a Nazi rally is somehow different?
lloyd (d29d61) — 10/28/2024 @ 12:25 pmHe [Tucker Carlton] told a parable
No parable. The sick fantasy of a sick weirdo.
nk (266101) — 10/28/2024 @ 12:27 pmaphrael (7162c2) — 10/27/2024 @ 3:17 pm
They actually have to set the method of appointing the Electors before the time that Congresshas stablished for picking them.
There is one loophole:
If the election “fails” the state legislature has a 6-day period before the Electors vote to appoint them another way.
That’s the reason I think for these lawsuits complaining that the voting procedure is illegal.
Now judges in 2020 were not kind to the idea of throwing out hundreds of thousands (at least) of votes in Pennsylvania, so this would be hard to get, but theoretically they could prevent certification on the basis of a trivial number of possibly improper votes.(though they don’t do it in elections in which you can rerun the contest if it wouldn’t affect the outcome)
Now this year a lot of Republicans are voting and maybe even by mail.
I’d just like to see the political parties switch sides on a lawsuit.(but I think if they were winning, the Republicans would just drop the lawsuit, and it wouldn’t be taken up by the Democrats. Maybe by a third party, though.)
Sammy FInkelman (e4ef09) — 10/28/2024 @ 12:28 pmYou’re implying that I supported such a thing, which is your lie.
Paul Montagu (7d8750) — 10/28/2024 @ 12:32 pmWhy would I support a tactic like that from a group I don’t support? The fact is that I don’t.
How about this, how about you and Rob and Kevin stop the goddam smears of a commenter on this board.
The pile of garbage in Madison Square Garden floating in the Atlantic on top of the island a Manhattan looked like a Nazi rally because it was a Nazi rally and nobody else made it look like a Nazi rally other than Donito Trumpolini and his Nazis.
nk (266101) — 10/28/2024 @ 12:32 pmFour years ago this week, news of the vaccine was being withheld until after the election.
The extreme lockdowns were a blue state special. Only the politically blind put that on Trump.
lloyd (d29d61) — 10/28/2024 @ 12:34 pm“Are you better off today than you were four years ago” is a question that was used by Ronald Reagan in the debate he had with Carter one week before the 1980 election (which was way before early voting and when absentee balloting was rare)
But people don’t understand what gave it its impact:
In 1976, close to Election Day, the AFL-CIO endorsed Jimmy Carter, on the grounds that he was a Democrat and Democrats were better for the economy.
This was precisely the basis on which many people had voted for Jimmy Carter in 1976, Now, Reagan asked them to take a look at what happened. Four years (or 3 1/2 years) was enough time.
Sammy FInkelman (e4ef09) — 10/28/2024 @ 12:35 pmYou gonna shade us, Trump boyz? Ha, ha, ha!
nk (266101) — 10/28/2024 @ 12:35 pm> Only the politically blind put that on Trump.
And that’s not what I’m doing — in fact, over in the /r/aves subreddit i’m currently making this exact point: that while I detest Trump, it’s absolutely unfair to blame him for the fact that raves shut down in 2020.
What i’m saying is that any fair-minded answer I give to the question “are you better off on October 28, 2024 than you were on October 28, 2020” *must be* yes.
aphrael (9c2ac5) — 10/28/2024 @ 12:41 pmWell, it’s nice that the campaign has a red line. That just means all the other bits were on purpose and endorsed by the campaign.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/28/2024 @ 12:45 pmThe crowd that keep saying Trump 2.0 won’t have any guardrails just lost another one.
SaveFarris (3628dd) — 10/28/2024 @ 12:52 pmI am so tired of the Nazi stuff.
Joe (584b3d) — 10/28/2024 @ 12:52 pmWhy do they keep using the #3 mass killer of the last century?
Has our education system been THAT bad?
320.lloyd (d29d61) — 10/28/2024 @ 12:34 pm
Not news, but approval.
The Trump Administration had given up trying to press the FDA because the companies had given up trying and were timing their applications for just after the election.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/16/pfizer-no-vaccine-trump-election-429843
Kamala Harris was among those casting suspicion on any early approval.
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/trump-campaign-press-release-fact-kamala-harriss-anti-vaccine-rhetoric-anti-science-and
This was what Reagan and Bush were later accused by friends of Jimmy Carter of having done in 1980- sabotaged something that would be regarded as good.
The October Surprise” accusation for real.
They also put pressure on the companies.
Vox tried to blame Trump for the skepticism, citing polls, which of course begs the question:
https://www.vox.com/2020/10/8/21507400/vp-debate-mike-pence-covid-19-vaccine-kamala-harris
Sammy FInkelman (e4ef09) — 10/28/2024 @ 12:53 pmYou’re complaining about smears. That’s enough irony for today.
lloyd (d29d61) — 10/28/2024 @ 12:56 pmColonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/28/2024 @ 12:45 pm
I don’t think the campaign heard his entire repertoire of jokes. That’s not what that “red flag” (not” red line”) quote means.
It means that, at least in retrospect, that other terrible “joke” should have told them, all by itself, there could be something wrong with his comedy.
Sammy FInkelman (e4ef09) — 10/28/2024 @ 12:59 pmSpanked!
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/28/2024 @ 1:06 pmnk (266101) — 10/28/2024 @ 12:32 pm
It was full of slander against and nonsense about illegal immigrants. But Donald Trump was not the chief offender, and though he talked a lot about it, he didn’t start on this until he was well into his speech..
By the way, you won’t catch the Democrats arguing with anything he said, or trying to debunk any of that. Because, polls. (Some in the media may.)
Sammy FInkelman (e4ef09) — 10/28/2024 @ 1:09 pmJoe (584b3d) — 10/28/2024 @ 12:52 pm
If not for Hitler, we wouldn’t have the concept of evil among many people.
By the way, you’re not counting all the deaths of soldiers during World War II (to get Stalin into the number #2 position, you have to count the famines in Ukraine, so this method includes people not picked out for death) and also you don’t take account of the fact that his career was interrupted, nor for the number of people under his rule.
Sammy FInkelman (e4ef09) — 10/28/2024 @ 1:18 pmMistaking press reports for actual events is always a mistake. This is now propaganda and smear season.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/28/2024 @ 1:26 pmIf the Madison Square Garden rally was Trump’s closing argument, then Kamala Harris will give hers tomorrow in a rally in Washington, D.C. on the ellipse (the same place Trump spoke from on January 6,2021.)
He also wanted to speak at the Capitol, which the House Jan 6 committee proved, but people have ignored the implications of that)
Sammy FInkelman (e4ef09) — 10/28/2024 @ 1:26 pmHas our education system been THAT bad?
The other two were “good” mass killers.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/28/2024 @ 1:27 pmIn the MSG rally, Trump announced a new tax cut proposal, although he didn’t describe it there in any way so that you could figure out what it actually was:
If I had to guess, this would be something like the child tax credit, but in what circumstances it could be claimed is unclear. Perhaps a maximum of $1,000 if some expenses were paid or they lived together. Would there be some need to prove that a family member needed help? Or would it be automatic if certain minimal conditions applied (like a nurse visiting or just no significant earned income? Maybe the amount would be low enough so there would not be too much of a temptation to lie.)
Sammy FInkelman (e4ef09) — 10/28/2024 @ 1:42 pmBallot drop boxes set on fire in Oregon and Washington (AP) looks like the trumpsters are getting ready for election day.
asset (af6269) — 10/28/2024 @ 1:43 pmThe GOP has tried to force states to only place ballot drop boxes in secure areas. The Democrats in charge of those areas (e.g. Oregon and Washington) have refused.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/28/2024 @ 1:45 pmhttps://jewishinsider.com/2024/10/jill-stein-rudolph-butch-ware-green-party-violence-israel
All the extreme leftists seem to be making their top issue Israel. This is true for the Democratic Socialists of America (The DSA, also known as Trotskyites)
Sammy FInkelman (e4ef09) — 10/28/2024 @ 1:46 pmThe ground is being readied to deny Trump his electoral votes, claiming that as a insurrectionist, he is disqualified. The House then chooses from the top 3 qualified candidates. Sadly, only one candidate got any electoral votes.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/28/2024 @ 1:48 pmHas our education system been THAT bad?
No, Donnie’s education has.
Maybe if he had gotten a copy of Stalin’s speech at the 17th Congress of the All-Union Communist Party (1934) or the Little Red Book, along with Hitler’s speeches, he might be a Stalin or Mao wannabe.
nk (266101) — 10/28/2024 @ 1:54 pmPretty typical gaslighting from the Bund. If they’re pointing fingers at someone else, it’s because they are doing it. Oooh…oooh, look over there.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/28/2024 @ 1:59 pmNo, lloyd, I’m saying you’re a f–king liar and asshole for pulling that dishonest crap.
Paul Montagu (7d8750) — 10/28/2024 @ 2:07 pmPretty typical gaslighting from the Bund.
More of this and I’m gone.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/28/2024 @ 2:09 pmKlink, come next Jan 6th, you’ll be screaming at Harris to block Trump’s votes.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/28/2024 @ 2:10 pmMan, the Bund keeps complaining that someone else may do what their dear leader, stupid Hitler, already did.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/28/2024 @ 2:16 pmWhatever Lindbergh.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/28/2024 @ 2:35 pmKevin Williamson on The Atlantic.
Paul Montagu (7d8750) — 10/28/2024 @ 2:37 pmKevin M (a9545f) — 10/28/2024 @ 1:48 pm
There are not the votes to carry that.
There could be one or more faithless electors and the House doesn’t have to choose anyone. JD Vance becomes acting president
Until the courts overrule the disqualification.
Sammy FInkelman (e4ef09) — 10/28/2024 @ 2:37 pmA civil war in America right away would suit Putin’s purposes even better than his puppet in the White House for a time.
nk (266101) — 10/28/2024 @ 2:39 pmSocial Security has sometimes been called the “third rail” of politics.
Nonetheless, the Loser is threatening to make its problems even worse:
Here’s the link to the CRFB report.
Jim Miller (6b39b6) — 10/28/2024 @ 2:42 pmKamala Harris is just too pro Israel, or anti Israel, depending on what constituency the Bund is going after.
But this is curious.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/28/2024 @ 2:59 pmCompletely lacking any facts or evidence.
It which case it would be “a futile and stupid gesture.”
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/28/2024 @ 3:21 pm> The Democrats in charge of those areas (e.g. Oregon and Washington) have refused.
The whole point to the drop box is I can go there at hours when an office wouldn’t be open and return my ballot. Requiring it to be “inside a secure area” means requiring it to be in a *staffed location*, which negates the entire benefit to having drop boxes at all.
aphrael (9c2ac5) — 10/28/2024 @ 3:27 pmDwayne Wade’s statue became a meme, and rightly so.
Paul Montagu (7d8750) — 10/28/2024 @ 3:34 pmEven Mr. Wade asked, “Who’s that guy?”
The State Farm commercial of the statue of Ryan Fitzpatrick is a better likeness of Ryan than Dwayne’s statue of Dwayne.
Given the vehicle type, it coulda been a Democrat that did it…
Paul Montagu (7d8750) — 10/28/2024 @ 3:40 pmRip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/28/2024 @ 3:55 pm
Source?
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/28/2024 @ 3:55 pmThe whole point to the drop box is I can go there at hours when an office wouldn’t be open and return my ballot. Requiring it to be “inside a secure area” means requiring it to be in a *staffed location*, which negates the entire benefit to having drop boxes at all.
Nah! Just hippie sloppiness. Not bothering to think things through.
In Chicago, the drop-off boxes are inside the polling place which is also the early voting place.
If the hours of operation are a problem, the return envelopes are postage-prepaid for the U.S. Mail boxes or post offices.
Security for those who value security; convenience for those who want convenience.
nk (266101) — 10/28/2024 @ 4:06 pm> If the hours of operation are a problem, the return envelopes are postage-prepaid for the U.S. Mail boxes or post offices.
I mailed my ballot in June of 2022. It was not received by the county elections office.
Since then, I will not mail my ballot, full stop. But I work a 50 hour week plus twelve hours of commute time a week. Drop boxes are by far the best option for me.
aphrael (9c2ac5) — 10/28/2024 @ 4:33 pm> In Chicago, the drop-off boxes are inside the polling place which is also the early voting place.
then what’s the point? you could just hand the ballot to whatever official is staffing the place. what value does the drop box add?
aphrael (9c2ac5) — 10/28/2024 @ 4:34 pm> The ground is being readied to deny Trump his electoral votes, claiming that as a insurrectionist, he is disqualified. The House then chooses from the top 3 qualified candidates. Sadly, only one candidate got any electoral votes.
The *only* people I’ve heard suggesting this are conservatives alleging that it’s being planned.
Meanwhile, Trumpists are openly talking about challenging the election results as invalid no matter what happens.
aphrael (9c2ac5) — 10/28/2024 @ 4:35 pmThe drop box alleviates the panic brought on by the feeble minded fear that “all the drop boxes have been removed by Trump”
steveg (bdbaf3) — 10/28/2024 @ 4:58 pmAnother form of this in my area is the mental illness behind the Post Office being excoriated for not putting those old obsolete blue drop boxes back out on the street during elections. The drop offs have been moved inside the Post Office because of mail theft. Mail placed in the boxes out on the street after hours is not safe. The old blue boxes are easy to tamper with. But “we must have blue boxes for a fair election” ID? No. Blue Boxes? Yes
You see, Trump is enormously powerful here in Bright Blue coastal CA and even though Trump will be lucky to get over 29% of the vote here, the blue drop boxes are all that stand between us and the fraud that will swing the coastal CA election to Trump
steveg (bdbaf3) — 10/28/2024 @ 5:07 pm> In Chicago, the drop-off boxes are inside the polling place which is also the early voting place.
then what’s the point? you could just hand the ballot to whatever official is staffing the place. what value does the drop box add?
We are the City of the Big Shoulders which includes a certain level of self-reliance?
nk (266101) — 10/28/2024 @ 5:34 pmLebanese are saying:
“Whatever the IDF Spokesman in Arabic, Avichai Adraee, says, is what actually happens. He is now the “Supreme Leader” of Lebanon.”
steveg (bdbaf3) — 10/28/2024 @ 5:39 pm@ 350
If you are serious, a civil war by a nuclear power would not serve Putins purpose. He would have no idea what would happen with our nukes.
Joe (584b3d) — 10/28/2024 @ 5:43 pmhttps://x.com/OwenGregorian/status/1850853937206694399?
We see the Communist left has their marching orders.
Useful idiots indeed.
NJRob (b31871) — 10/28/2024 @ 5:45 pmThe Bund complains but does not deny.
Colonel Klink (ret) (4ad656) — 10/28/2024 @ 5:59 pmIf you are serious, a civil war by a nuclear power would not serve Putins purpose. He would have no idea what would happen with our nukes.
It did not deter us from 1981 through 1989 (or 1991 if you prefer) in regard to the Soviet Union and its nukes.
nk (266101) — 10/28/2024 @ 6:08 pmThis “‘blitzkrieg’ of propaganda” was the true stories about Trump wanting generals like Hitler’s, his saying Hitler did some good things, and his fascist comments about using National Guard or military to “handle” this “enemy from within”, where he defines who this internal “enemy” is. Trump said the words.
Paul Montagu (7d8750) — 10/28/2024 @ 6:25 pmMany presidents have been called fascist/nazi/communist by their opponents. Trump is the only one who’s ever been called a fascist/unfit to serve/a danger to the republic by many of his own appointees to high administration office, several of whom are generals and admirals with unblemished records for honesty and character. Taking the word of a congenital liar over all these people is telling on yourself.
lurker (c23034) — 10/28/2024 @ 7:07 pmHuh…
Wait, I thought that America was the world’s garbage can.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/28/2024 @ 7:23 pmRip Murdock (fc3b85) — 10/26/2024 @ 6:34 pm
He struck the trgets in the right order, because it is standard U.S. military doctrine for over 30 years to take out the air defences before doing anything else. It possibly avoids any casualties at all to the air force. If there is a criticism to be made, it’s for stopping after a few hours, but he doesn’t want Iran to fire any more missiles at Israel, and he wants U.S. to help in air defense, and maybe this will be a deterrent.
They almost didn’t kill any Iranians either (Iran I think said 4 soldiers) so this creates a possibility that Iran will decide not to continue. For now,
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 10/28/2024 @ 7:25 pm372. Don’t you remember GHWB’s “Chicken Kiev” speech?
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 10/28/2024 @ 7:27 pm306. The boxes to deposit filled out absentee ballots inside the polling place serve the purpose of avoiding waiting in line, and also the purpose of making sure it was delivered. It still has the defect that signing in takes place after casting a vote, and not before, but once somebody has requested a ballot what can they do unless they delay counting in case someone votes in person with that vote superceding and replacing any absentee ballot, as used to be
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 10/28/2024 @ 7:38 pmthe case in New York. Now requesting an absentee ballot removes you from the poll list of voters who can vote in person.
The commies love to call their opposition Nazis to hide their agenda. It’s typical propaganda from the left. They would be the first to vote for Nazis if they thought it would consolidate their leftist control.
NJRob (b31871) — 10/28/2024 @ 7:52 pmIf you want to not be called a Nazi, stop repeating the words of the Nazi’s.
Oddly, you never talk about the words stupid Hitler says. If he’s so righteous, why do you never talk about them?
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/28/2024 @ 8:01 pmLate replying to Rip, but Putin did win Georgia, by hook or crook. Sigh.
Two regions of Georgia have been occupied by Putin since 2008, so they were already behind the 8-ball.
Paul Montagu (7d8750) — 10/28/2024 @ 8:07 pmIt was Republicans, plural, hired by Trump who conveyed what Trump said, that he wanted generals like Hitler and that Hitler did some good things.
It was Trump himself who said he’s the fascist who would use the National Guard or military to “handle” this “enemy from within”.
Trump said the words. That’s what’s different from all prior GOP candidates.
Paul Montagu (7d8750) — 10/28/2024 @ 8:39 pmLA Dodgers defeat the NY Yankees 4-2, lead series 3-0.
Rip Murdock (ea3d80) — 10/28/2024 @ 8:45 pmnatsies is as natsies does
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/28/2024 @ 8:46 pmI’m sure mostly by crook……
Rip Murdock (ea3d80) — 10/28/2024 @ 8:46 pmWhen trumpsters are not burning down ballot drop boxes they are multiple voting. Trumpster caught voting for trump twice in minnesota saying trump needed the votes! (AP) Yet dumpsters they their is no ballot security in blue states.
asset (7e0c4e) — 10/28/2024 @ 9:27 pmI always thought Vance was more commie-curious, but if you say he’s full commie, who am I to argue? As for his hidden agenda, I can only guess it’s got something to do with eyeliner.
lurker (c23034) — 10/28/2024 @ 9:43 pmHeadline: Arson at ballot boxes in Vancouver and Portland destroy hundreds of ballots
Article:
This doesn’t make the attempt any less serious, but the headline is misleading in the extreme. It is in fact absolutely untrue, as the article makes clear.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/28/2024 @ 10:07 pmEnding taxation of Social Security benefits, for example, would cost the program somewhere between $850 billion and $950 billion over nine years.
Note that only half those taxes go back into the Trust Fund.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/28/2024 @ 10:09 pmRather than end the taxation of affluent recipients, funnel ALL the revenue from those taxes into the “Trust” Funds.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/28/2024 @ 10:10 pmMan, the Bund keeps complaining that someone else may do what their dear leader, stupid Hitler, already did.
Dana, this is out-of-line and Klink does it to everyone whether or not THEY follow what I thought were the rules. Put him in moderation or explain why not.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/28/2024 @ 10:11 pm@388 a large number of ballots were destroyed at drop box in vancouver washington. Multiple ballot drop boxes have been attacked including az.
asset (7e0c4e) — 10/28/2024 @ 10:13 pmKevin, the Oregonian did better reporting than the LA Times, which I couldn’t access anyway. Only three ballots were destroyed south of the Columbia, but hundreds were destroyed on the north bank.
As a mule for Mrs. Montagu, I drop our ballots off in a box in front of the county admin building.
Paul Montagu (7d8750) — 10/28/2024 @ 10:47 pmAs I now understand it, the Vancouver ballot box’s fire system failed after being “upgraded.”
There is a point to putting these boxes inside more secure facilities.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/28/2024 @ 11:11 pmYou see, 2 things are not 1 thing. If 1 thing has a specific accessory, and the other thing doesn’t…wait, never mind, it’s the Bund.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/28/2024 @ 11:17 pmA portion of the SS taxes also support the Medicare Hospital Trust Fund:
Rip Murdock (ea3d80) — 10/28/2024 @ 11:18 pmOh dear sweet Kev, now do one about stupid Hitler.
It’s terrible to point out that the fascists spouting Nazi propaganda, literally repeating the last Bund rally. If your defending or deflecting from it, your on the side of the Nazis, i.e. the Bund.
You’ve jumped with both feet into the Bund pool willfully, luxuriate in it.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/28/2024 @ 11:24 pmIsrael wouldn’t have needed to do so if they had initially used their intermediate range Jericho 3 ballistic and cruise missiles against Iran’s nuclear, oil, and government targets in Tehran.
Now they will just have to go back to finish the job.
Rip Murdock (ea3d80) — 10/28/2024 @ 11:32 pmYou say that like it’s a good thing. It’s not.
Rip Murdock (ea3d80) — 10/28/2024 @ 11:36 pmThat was a masterpiece of sandbagging by Bush 41, Sammy. 145 days later Ukraine was independent and the Soviet Union was dissolved. Gorbachev never knew what hit him.
Sigh. We still had Presidents worthy of the title in that decade.
nk (266101) — 10/29/2024 @ 6:01 am@326
Yes.
whembly (477db6) — 10/29/2024 @ 6:23 am@346
I dub thee as this board’s Sir Godwin.
Keep showing your arse Sir Godwin.
whembly (477db6) — 10/29/2024 @ 6:29 am@371
Sir Godwin says what?
whembly (477db6) — 10/29/2024 @ 6:39 am@397
…is anyone else getting a good chuckle on Sir Godwin here?
It’s his reaction if Harris loses (a big if) the election is what I’m most looking forward too.
whembly (477db6) — 10/29/2024 @ 6:43 amWin or lose, now more than ever, is the need for a Reagan Party or Reagan Caucus on the political scene, because there’s scarcely anything left of our 40th president in today’s GOP, who is the best Republican president we’ve had this side of Teddy Roosevelt. These are his words in his final speech in office.
The smartness and wisdom and eloquence and goodwill still shine through, all of which are lacking in this party that is the Party of Reagan no more.
Sammy brought up GHW Bush’s “Chicken Kiev” speech, and those same Reaganesque attributes are still there, in support of the Soviet republics seeking their own self-determination and freedom.
We should be standing on the shoulders of these giants, not the current mental midget we’re stuck with.
Paul Montagu (7d8750) — 10/29/2024 @ 6:48 amFIFY
Rip Murdock (ea3d80) — 10/29/2024 @ 7:41 amMost of the polling shows Trumpmentum.
Rip Murdock (ea3d80) — 10/29/2024 @ 7:43 amThe Virtual Tout: https://virtualtout.com.
He correctly predicted the outcome of allstates except one (georgia) in 2020; used a different methodology (paying people to predict aand more if they turned out to be right) for forecasting the Jan. 5, 2021 Georgia Senate runoffs, and, because Oredit-It does not have as many betting options as before, is using a modified methodology now.
Oveerview: Trending toward Trump
And,I should note, Pennsylvania has the highest percentage of election day voting of all swing states, I think.
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 10/29/2024 @ 7:48 am@407
In 2016…all polling showed Clintonmentum too.
whembly (477db6) — 10/29/2024 @ 7:56 amRip Murdock (ea3d80) — 10/28/2024 @ 11:36 pm
In the short run it’s good, and there could always be a revolution in Iran or the Ayatollah might decide to “swallow poison” and end all these wars and the nuclear program.
Analysts expect there to be more rounds, and Israel is watching (it hopes) the nuclear program.
Meanwhile, Hamas has refused terms of surrender (or at least release of the hostages) with safe passage out of Gaza
I think the safe passage is not real, because they have no place to go. This is not a minor problem. I don’t think Iran wants them to give up and it might even send people to kill those who accept the offer. If this is serious, they must lobby China to take them.
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Interim Egyptian proposal: Release of 5 hostages over a period of (two weeks?) in exchange for truce and some prisoners.
Meanwwhile they are getting ready to blame Israel for conditions (real and imagined) in Gaza. Israel’s set to outlaw UNWRA and they are ready to pretend there is no aalternaative.
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 10/29/2024 @ 8:06 amSammy —
Just a thought — how male skewed are these betting environments?
Appalled (ba9e75) — 10/29/2024 @ 8:17 amI dunno, looking at the RCP electoral map, Kamala has to win PA, MI and WI, and that gets her to 270. Otherwise, it’ll be Trump.
Paul Montagu (7d8750) — 10/29/2024 @ 9:02 amLOL! Why would they leave? They are a terrorist group fighting Israel-if they left they would lose the reason for their existence. As a generel rule, terrorist groups don’t surrender, they fight to the bitter end.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/29/2024 @ 11:00 amThe overseas betting sites (Polymarket, BetFair, etc.) are irrelevant as a gauge for the election, since Americans are forbidden to participate; all of the bets are from foreigners. There are only a couple of companies have taken advantage of a new court ruling that allows Americans to make wagers on the election.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/29/2024 @ 11:14 amRIP actress and Academy Award nominee (for Tootsie) Teri Garr (79).
Rip Murdock (ea3d80) — 10/29/2024 @ 12:54 pmA) VPN’s exist
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/29/2024 @ 1:01 pmB) According to them, their customers are pretty much exclusively men
C) Polymarket saw the stupid Hitler line move on 4 bets, one person, $29M
Gaming moves the line where their payout risk is minimized. If a huge bet moves the line, it doesn’t mean they think X is happening changed, it means their payout risk changed.
If you have $30M you want to wager on Harris, the odds will again flip.
For the Bund incel edgelords, memes and manipulation is kewl.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/29/2024 @ 1:05 pmWhile VPNs do exist, the recent big move in Polymarket was apparently due to a French citizen who bet $45M on Trump to win; which shows how these markets can be manipulated.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/29/2024 @ 1:59 pmIt’s not a market, it’s a betting line, they are unrelated.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/29/2024 @ 2:49 pmstoned Goebels
stupid Hitler
Maybe they should talk, because DoD, Social Security, and Medicare are $3B of a $6B budget, plus another half a trill for other healthcare. It’s more than a haircut.
I think we should have a goal of $5T, but that will take more than a decade. Should the DoD shave $250B, how, should we shelve the Dept of Ed? Where does the funding come from? That’s the point, some of the things that the feds pay for still have to be paid for, so shifting it to the state, or local tax base doesn’t solve the problem that people are harping on. And no, tariffs are only harmful, and cannot raise any money, in fact, are more likely to increase inflation and increase the debt.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/29/2024 @ 3:02 pmThese websites describe themselves as “prediction markets.”
Rip Murdock (ea3d80) — 10/29/2024 @ 3:17 pmYou can describe yourself as emperor of the universe, it doesn’t make it so.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/29/2024 @ 3:33 pmSupreme Court leaves RFK, Jr., on ballots in Wisconsin, Michigan
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/29/2024 @ 3:47 pmF.B.I. whistleblower tells congress that directer comey sent two female fbi undercover agents in 2015 to infiltrate trump campaign as honeypots to get dirt on trump. (ace hq)
asset (7b4d85) — 10/29/2024 @ 3:51 pm2,516 voters were interviewed, but more than 80,000 had to called to get that many to answer. 98% of the people were contacted on cell phones. And they were all registered voters.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 10/29/2024 @ 4:44 pmI am deluged with calls and texts from pollsters. Scores would be an understatement. They are all Ignore/Delete.
I don’t think I’m unique in that. I think that polling these days is basically self-reporting and the people who take it seriously are not necessarily an accurate sample of the people who take real voting seriously.
nk (ed0e2c) — 10/29/2024 @ 5:09 pmRip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/29/2024 @ 11:00 am
That’s because their bridges are all burned behind them: They face only prison at best.
But in 1982, Arafat and the PLO left Beirut for Tunisia. (after a siege)
They later returned to another part of Lebanon and left again. Iran created a new native-Lebanese terrorist group. First Amal, and then Hezbollah.
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 10/29/2024 @ 5:17 pmPollsters adjust the numbers to try to get a representative sample. But they may be trying to get results not far from other pollsters and they can all be wrong in the same way.
They say they placed more than 260,000 calls to more than 80,000 voters. That sounds like an average of 3 attempts to each voter,
They say they worked from a list of registered voters. They don’t explain how they got the cell phone numbers of those voters, since all cell phone numbers are unlisted and I don’t think the voter registration information has heir cell numbers. So something is missing here from the explanation. Perhaps they excluded all those whose registration ccould not be verified,
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 10/29/2024 @ 5:34 pmThey say they worked from a list of registered voters. They don’t explain how they got the cell phone numbers of those voters, since all cell phone numbers are unlisted and I don’t think the voter registration information has heir cell numbers.
My guess is that they cross-match with the commercial lists that vendors/telemarketers use.
nk (ed0e2c) — 10/29/2024 @ 5:43 pmI don’t think Israel would have allowed them to live lest they become trade bait sometime in the future.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/29/2024 @ 6:00 pmUntil Comey announced the FBI had re-opened the e-mail investigation. The momentum reversed, and the polling closed to within the margin of error.
lurker (c23034) — 10/29/2024 @ 6:47 pmWhich was correct, as HRC won the popular vote.
Rip Murdock (ea3d80) — 10/29/2024 @ 6:57 pmI wonder what stupid Hitler’s going to do, horrible Harris event just had a 50% bigger crowd than his.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/29/2024 @ 7:20 pmHahahahaha!!! Hohohohohoho!!! Oh my!
Biden just crapped in Klink’s bed. LOL!
BuDuh (59d701) — 10/29/2024 @ 8:07 pmYou mean when he called the garbage in MSG garbage?
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/29/2024 @ 8:17 pm6 hours of the Bund spewing garbage, fine. ButbutbutbutUHH, Biden told the truth.
Mildly I’d add, the Bund should really be the stuff flushed down the toilet, but hey, an internet troll who literally never addresses substance, thinks 1>999.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/29/2024 @ 8:22 pmTold the truth???? Hahahahaha!!!
You better get a memo to The Whitehouse because they are running from what he said. They must be the Bund too.
Hahahahaha
Even CNN has joined the Bund.
😂
BuDuh (59d701) — 10/29/2024 @ 8:25 pmYour schtick has fallen apart faster than your Olds manifolds falling off your Chevy.
Klink, you are hilarious!
BuDuh (59d701) — 10/29/2024 @ 8:27 pmGoodnight, Klink. I’ll catch up on your Dear Diary grief tomorrow.
Hahahahaha
BuDuh (59d701) — 10/29/2024 @ 8:28 pmBut sure, don’t vote for Biden (maybe look at your old comments on Biden’s mental state).
If you don’t think the Bund is garbage, that’s kewl.
Colonel Klink (ret) (c999a4) — 10/29/2024 @ 8:45 pmPuerto Rican Americans some which have served in our military garbage? A better case can be made for calling trumpsters garbage ;but still not good enough. How about nobody is garbage or deplorables.
asset (a54b02) — 10/29/2024 @ 8:48 pmMan, you think you are making a point, or scoring points, or something.
The Bund was at MSG, you know that, you are the Bund.
Logically, could you show the formula that has both stupid Hitler, the Bund, Joe Biden, and CNN on the same side?
For some reason, I don’t think that word means what you think it means.
But hey, you do you.
Colonel Klink (ret) (c999a4) — 10/29/2024 @ 8:56 pmI mean, this guy must have just walked up, loaded his own teleprompter, talked for 20 minutes at a Bund event. These guys want to run security at a border of thousands of miles?
That the event organizers said they nuked a different thing earlier in the day, kind of means he had something to do with “us”.
Colonel Klink (ret) (c999a4) — 10/29/2024 @ 9:04 pm“The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporter’s — his — his demonization of Latinos is unconscionable, and it’s un-American, It’s totally contrary to everything we’ve done, everything we’ve been.”
“Earlier today I referred to the hateful rhetoric about Puerto Rico spewed by Trump’s supporter at his Madison Square Garden rally as garbage—which is the only word I can think of to describe it, His demonization of Latinos is unconscionable. That’s all I meant to say. The comments at that rally don’t reflect who we are as a nation.”
Colonel Klink (ret) (c999a4) — 10/29/2024 @ 9:13 pmWow, a guy misspoke and corrected. Guess what, it wasn’t stupid Hitler.
Colonel Klink (ret) (c999a4) — 10/29/2024 @ 9:17 pmHey, Biden called this guy and his supporters garbage, or at least what they say.
Yeah, this guy is A-OK.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/29/2024 @ 10:08 pmRegarding Joe’s dumb comment, which he had to dumbly backtrack, JD Vance said it best: “We have to stop getting so offended at every little thing in the United States of America. I’m so over it.”
Paul Montagu (f97d41) — 10/30/2024 @ 5:43 amOne standard, right, JD?
Paul, everything has gotten so out of hand. I offer you a sincere apology for poking at you as much as I do when our debates turn childish and go to taunting and then outright meaningless name calling. You and I will never agree and that is obvious. I can see where I could have been much better. Although you have called me a troll, and I don’t think I could ever prove to you otherwise, I have never been offended with that because I can honestly see how my style of arguing can put your thinking on that pathway. But in the entirety of our online relationship you have never stooped to the level of calling me an American with a favorable view of Nazi Germany. Klink has gone to a whole new level that really takes whatever shared opinions I might find on this site and devolved it into an almost meaningless adventure.
I like your “one standard” notion. I don’t think Klink will agree and I do doubt he will get properly admonished by the moderators or any regular poster using the comment rules you have recently reminded everyone of. He has doubled down on the garbage rhetoric and diminished the idea of it being a little thing for America to get over. Biden may or may not be ashamed of his words, but others are basking in them. When compared to the lousy “comedian” at the Trump Rally, I have yet to find any support for that idiot’s joke.
Hopefully the country heals faster than I believe this comment section will.
BuDuh (4214e4) — 10/30/2024 @ 6:20 amI appreciate that, BuDuh.
Paul Montagu (f97d41) — 10/30/2024 @ 7:11 am@450
Yep, I echo BuDuh at @449 Paul. You’re one of the good ones here, even if we disagree.
whembly (477db6) — 10/30/2024 @ 7:33 amThanks, whembly. I know we disagree strongly on several issues, but it never became personal or involved personal attacks.
Paul Montagu (1888f5) — 10/30/2024 @ 7:38 amI honestly have never seen Lloyd, SaveFerris, and others get this ugly. Just a clash of arguing style. The whole “sock puppet” series of insults and claiming people were posting from Russian VPNs really was ridiculous and unnecessary.
BuDuh (2fb180) — 10/30/2024 @ 7:46 amNow that we’re in a temporary ceasefire, thankfully, I acknowledge there are some mistakes I’ve made, the biggest being about Sandmann.
On Trump’s “animals” comment, it was one time, part of a blockquote where a dozen bullet points were accurate but for that, apparently that was enough for lloyd to rampage about it. Se la vie. No one’s perfect, I never claimed to be, and I never claimed to be a “font of truth”.
On Trump’s “bloodbath” remarks, I stand by what I said, because Trump also said “that’ll be least of it” more than once. Trump never clarifies or corrects his comments, so they can be taken as narrowly or broadly as the listener will. But this time around he has a track record, of letting a riot go on unstopped for three-plus hours, so I chose more broadly.
I’m sure there are other factual mistakes, and I won’t be surprised if some commenters refresh my recollection. Differences of opinion are a separate issue.
I won’t apologize for pushing back hard on the lies told in this very thread by three of the commenters here. It was a blatant breach of the commenting rules, as clearly communicated by the host of this site.
Paul Montagu (1888f5) — 10/30/2024 @ 8:10 amI was looking at Pat’s older post, and he reposted the following from Goldstein’s account that I think is a great reminder:
A lot of the posters here ought to take heart of this… especially, post election day.
whembly (477db6) — 10/30/2024 @ 9:29 amRegarding Biden’s dumb “garbage” comment yesterday, it was worse than a gaffe, it was a Kinsley Gaffe, no matter how much tried to polish the turd of his dumb words. Does he really want Kamala to win? Is he still angry that he had to withdraw? It’s almost inexplicable that he would take the handoff run the wrong way down the field, but he’s the doofus who said “minor incursion” on the eve of an invasion. Sigh.
This could’ve been really risky, but I wonder if Kamala would’ve been better off if Biden stepped down, say after the 9/10 debate, where she could’ve directed some executive actions and where Biden would be further out of the picture. She could’ve taken added more security to the southern border, maybe lifted some restrictions on Ukraine, but it could go the other way if she continued her incoherence on the Israel-War. We’ll never know, and I’ve far exceeded my quotient on hypotheticals.
Paul Montagu (f97d41) — 10/30/2024 @ 9:49 amSo, Biden’s comments now excuse a decade of racist comments, and specifically the 6 hours of racist comments calling millions of Americans garbage.
Also, stupid Hitler just called all of America a garbage can, this week.
I know there’s a double standard, but 1=/=1000
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/30/2024 @ 9:53 amEr, Israel-Hamas War.
Paul Montagu (f97d41) — 10/30/2024 @ 9:56 amArnold is a former governor, not a former Republican, but he’s a current statesman…
There is a Star Trek TOS joke in Biden’s comment.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/30/2024 @ 9:58 amWrongly purged:
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/30/2024 @ 10:11 amThis argument is nonsense, stubbing your toe and amputating your toe with a fork are the same thing, it’s still just a toe.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/30/2024 @ 10:25 amOh, there’s a double standard alright. Someone said somewhere that Donald gets to be lawless while Kamala must be flawless, which may not be true, but there’s a kernel or two.
Paul Montagu (f97d41) — 10/30/2024 @ 10:38 amIt’s on the Statue of Liberty, and I think Trump (or maybe Stephen Miller) quite deliberately picked that description. (but nobody seems to have so far noticed. I guess they are waiting to pull the trigger)
https://poets.org/poem/new-colossus
– Emma Lazarus, in 1883
Compare to Donald Trump, in 2024:
https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/news/live-updates/2024election-updates-harris-trump-locked-virtual-dead-heat-114983801/trump-says-current-border-policy-make-us-garbage-can-for-the-world-115125215?offset=71
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 10/30/2024 @ 11:17 amIt’s that wretched refuse what made America (and New York!) great or greater in the first place.
If America can no longer do that, there’s a lot that’s seriously wrong with America that stopping the inflow won’t help (and in fact it can be
part of the solution)
Donald Trump’s grandfather was part of that “wretched refuse”, kicked out of Germany in 1905 for having evaded the draft by being and staying outside the country, in the United States, including Alaska, before.
Sammy FInkelman (e4ef09) — 10/30/2024 @ 12:10 pmPaul, calling me an a$$hole I guess was within the commenting rules, right?. I’m glad there’s a ceasefire but, as you acknowledged, it’s only temporary. How long can folks here resist terms like fascist, Nazi, garbage, deplorables to describe the other side? I predict not very long. There’s not really a lot of other ammo in their clip. Oh sure, a lot of these comments aren’t directed at specific commenters. That’s an out, a cheap one. You folks (Klink, nk, lurker) know exactly what you’re doing.
I don’t resort to name calling. At least, I never initiate it. If I’m the target, I will respond in kind, if I want to. Cry about it. Note that I let your a$$hole comment go.
And if calling out lies is a “rampage”, then fine. I’ll keep rampaging.
lloyd (efb1e1) — 10/30/2024 @ 12:44 pmlloyd, you’re an asshole because of your personal attack. That is all.
Paul Montagu (f97d41) — 10/30/2024 @ 12:49 pmThere’s so much ignorance, here. (as well as deliberate misinformation and assumptions based on {sometimes deliberately} partial information)
On WABC radio the other day, John Catsimatidis, the owner of WABC and a major host too, said that in Ellis Island immigrants were vetted for criminality. No, they were not.(that’s how the Sicilian Mafia got here) That didn’t happen until immigrant visas were required around 1921 and they relied on foreign police records, and it’s still not done for visitors (a category invented during or after World War I) although there are blacklists.
AT Ellis Island they were screened for money or sponsors to pick them up or health.
Sammy FInkelman (e4ef09) — 10/30/2024 @ 1:06 pm@456
Even with the most charitable explanation… that’s besides the point.
Who’s grand idea was it to schedule Biden to do that speech/QA at the exact same time as Harris’ closing speech at the ellipses? Its either serious incompetence or there’s this is their way to undermine Harris.
whembly (477db6) — 10/30/2024 @ 1:35 pmA person has to be a citizen to work for the federal government. And she worked for the TSA. But how would they know that she did?
She lied to escape jury duty. This happens.
Sammy FInkelman (e4ef09) — 10/30/2024 @ 1:36 pmOuch!
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/30/2024 @ 1:37 pmThat was a forlorn attempt to get Putin to change his objective.
Sammy FInkelman (e4ef09) — 10/30/2024 @ 1:39 pmI didn’t know it was at the same time. Dumb on stilts, or sabotage, which is also dumb.
Paul Montagu (f97d41) — 10/30/2024 @ 2:35 pmSometimes what is in political ads is more interesting than what is not. For instance, Dr. Kim Schrier has been running ads decrying the high cost of Cheerios — but has had nothing to say about the low cost of fentanyl. Which, she must know, has contributed to the decline in US life expectancy that began in the
last year or two of the end of the Obama administration.
Or take the ads for Nick Brown, who is running for Washington state’s attorney general. They feature his two kids, who seem to think he is a great Dad. But, if they have a mother, she is nowhere to be seen. (No, I don’t know why. Perhaps because she is white, and they fear racists?)
Jim Miller (005aa1) — 10/30/2024 @ 3:56 pmSpeaking of political ads:
The Ad
Something to watch for sure.
BuDuh (3f5260) — 10/30/2024 @ 4:03 pmOr divorced? Nick Brown’s full name is Nicholas William Brown.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/30/2024 @ 4:16 pmAnother non-story from Rip.
She notifies authorities she’s not a citizen. The authorities remove her from the voting rolls. So unfair!
lloyd (efb1e1) — 10/30/2024 @ 4:43 pmZelensky says US has delivered 10% of promised aid.
steveg (7095e5) — 10/30/2024 @ 5:07 pmThe excuse before was “Republicans!!!” and the excuse now? Republicans. Privately telling Zelensky that to aid the Ukraine now may drive turnout amongst Trump leaning isolationists
I get the feeling the Biden Admin. would like to give Zelensky the Shokin treatment but can’t because of that pesky election he won
Why would a Trump supporter lie to the government?
Rip Murdock (f4023e) — 10/30/2024 @ 5:24 pmWhat percentage of the people who voted for Trump in 2020 does this one person account for, Rip?
BuDuh (3f5260) — 10/30/2024 @ 5:27 pmI thought they were all law abiding citizens.
Rip Murdock (f4023e) — 10/30/2024 @ 5:27 pmOh…
BuDuh (3f5260) — 10/30/2024 @ 5:32 pmZelensky on the leaky Biden Administration
“You see what is happening in the media now. They said that Ukraine wants or wanted to get a lot of Tomahawk missiles and so on. But this was confidential information between Ukraine and the White House. How to understand these messages? It means that there is nothing confidential between the partners.”
steveg (7095e5) — 10/30/2024 @ 5:54 pmLA Dodgers defeat the NY Yankees 7-6 after being down 5-0; scoring 5 unearned runs on Yankee mistakes in the fifth inning. Dodgers win the World Series 4-1.
Rip Murdock (f4023e) — 10/30/2024 @ 8:55 pmMy plan comes to fruition.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/30/2024 @ 8:56 pm5th inning: Single, error, error, loading the bases no outs. Strike out, strike out. Slow roller to first but the pitcher doesn’t cover. One run in. Single, scoring two. Double, scoring 2.
5-0 goes to 5-5.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RLlZzS1NNg
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/30/2024 @ 9:04 pmUhhh_what_now?
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/30/2024 @ 10:23 pmBuhDuh, Paul Montagu — that was fantastic to witness and a shining example for us all. Thank you.
aphrael (8c9441) — 10/30/2024 @ 11:08 pmMichigan congresswoman debbie dingle says trump will intern Michigan muslims if elected. Trump rides into event in garbage truck with vivak riding in back slinging garbage cans. Biden says how can I help kamala let me count the ways.
asset (92c7e3) — 10/30/2024 @ 11:41 pmSo stupid Hitler wants RFK jr to go wild on Health and stuff.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/31/2024 @ 1:09 amMelania? I don’t know who she is. I know she lives down the hall from me at Mar-a-Lago. I don’t know anything about her. I heard she wrote a book. I haven’t read it yet but they say it’s good. I wrote 78 books. Or maybe it was 87. I wrote so many I lost count. It was 97. I remember now. I have a very good memory. Man, woman, person, camera, TV. Not many people can remember all five. Dr. Ronnie Jackson was very impressed with my memory. He couldn’t take his eyes off of it. You know who was really impressive? Arnold Palmer. Now there was a man who was all man if you know what I mean. If I was ever with Stormy Daniels I would think of Arnold Palmer. But I was never with Stormy Daniels. She just said that because she was peddling a book. I wrote 112 books. Word, sentence, paragraph, page, chapter. Not many people can remember all five.
nk (0454cd) — 10/31/2024 @ 4:47 amIf you’re in Texas and miscarrying, best drive to New Mexico.
There’s no doubt in my mind that the release of this story a week before an election was intentional, but this happened, doctors did not prioritize the life of the mother out of fear of criminal prosecution.
Paul Montagu (f97d41) — 10/31/2024 @ 5:41 amIs there anything about how that story was written that bothers you, Paul?
BuDuh (3f5260) — 10/31/2024 @ 6:06 amYup… this:
whembly (477db6) — 10/31/2024 @ 7:10 amhttps://johnalucas6.substack.com/p/should-i-have-criticized-some-of
@491:
This is the real problem with both the anti-abortion laws and the drugs used in “medical” abortions: a frequent result of using those drugs, especially later in pregnancy, is an induced and incomplete miscarriage. At that point, a DNC is medically necessary but it is very hard to write a law that clearly separates a natural miscarriage from an induced one.
There is also the moral problem with criminalizing needed medical attention. We don’t criminalize any medical attention to save a life from, say, fentanyl abuse or being shot in the course of committing a felony, but we DO criminalize medical attention FOR FEAR it would be furthering an illegal abortion, even when the fetus cannot survive.
Texas needs to revisit its law to make clear that life-saving procedures will not be withheld. If not, it deserves to be struck down by the courts and Texas’s sovereign immunity from lawsuits needs to be restricted here.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/31/2024 @ 8:45 amIs there anything about how that story was written that bothers you, Paul?
I’m more concerned he thinks ProPublica is a valid source of information.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/31/2024 @ 8:46 amI am trying a new format for myself, so I am leaving the messenger out of the conversation I am hoping for. What I am asking for is thoughts after taking a critical look at how that story was written.
BuDuh (3f5260) — 10/31/2024 @ 8:51 amPaul Montagu (f97d41) — 10/31/2024 @ 5:41 am
Who scared them?
Not the anti-abortion people, I’d bet.
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/07/20/texas-abortion-law-miscarriages-ectopic-pregnancies
They could seek clarification or promises from local district attorneys. But they are like Hamas: they want deaths for the propaganda value.
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 10/31/2024 @ 8:53 amSo say the advocated of “choice.”
What’s the problem? \Insurance?
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 10/31/2024 @ 9:00 amI gotta protect the women, whether they like it or not.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/31/2024 @ 9:00 am“They could seek clarification or promises from local district attorneys. But they are like Hamas: they want deaths for the propaganda value.”
Why should the district attorney be part of the healthcare process?
Davethulhu (591411) — 10/31/2024 @ 9:03 amSad!
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/31/2024 @ 9:08 amAre they part of the malpractice process?
BuDuh (3f5260) — 10/31/2024 @ 9:09 amShould the DAs have staff available 24/7 to field emergency calls from doctors in the operating rooms?
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/31/2024 @ 9:11 am“Are they part of the malpractice process?”
After the fact. Should the be consulted before every medical procedure?
Davethulhu (591411) — 10/31/2024 @ 9:16 amBetter yet, have DAs in the operating rooms to observe and advise every surgical procedure. In that case, however, the counties better carry malpractice insurance.
The accusation that “they want deaths for the propaganda value” is completely without factual basis.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/31/2024 @ 9:22 amNo. But I don’t see why they would not be used as a resource for clarification.
BuDuh (3f5260) — 10/31/2024 @ 9:34 amhttps://x.com/ralakbar/status/1851751888745627967
Biden Admin spokesman on aid to Ukraine being curated rather than delivered says system is to “sustain deliveries over a period of time”
I get it that they don’t want to drop ship 2,000,000 155mm shells in one load to a PO BOX on the Eastern Front.
I also see that bogging Russia down in a “quagmire” is possibly a better outcome for US than a robust Ukraine using western weapons tech to spank Putin
If Trump wins, he’ll have the same problem except anything short of decisive victory by Ukraine will be framed as Trump favoring Putin.
If Trump wins and I were Zelensky, I’d consider leaking everything I could find on the Bidens, Russian collusion, maybe offer to conscript the Vindmans. It’d all be on the table
Putin lover or deal maker, Trump is going to want the war to end- not drip on endlessly and Zelensky needs to get ahead of it.
Harris offers him no consolation because Putin, NATO, EU etc. will speak in platitudes to her as head of a powerful state, but they won’t respect her at all. She represents-at best- more of the same
steveg (7095e5) — 10/31/2024 @ 9:57 amIt’s there in the piece, Sammy.
Paul Montagu (f97d41) — 10/31/2024 @ 10:18 amSomeone ought to have sued the legislature, claiming the crowd-source law was itself an abortion.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/31/2024 @ 10:33 amOur legal system resolves disputes after they arise, not proactively. If people need legal advice, the solution under our system is to hire an attorney. This is how it works for the hospitals, doctors, and patients.
DRJ (df5ffc) — 10/31/2024 @ 10:55 amThe only way to get a proactive government opinion of the interpretation of existing law is through the Attorney General in the jurisdiction where the law is. That would be useful in abortion cases but it is a lengthy process, not something for a pending dispute. In those cases, the answer is get an attorney or legal aid to seek immediate relief in court.
DRJ (df5ffc) — 10/31/2024 @ 10:59 amWe see similar cases on occasion where hospitals deny care and/or want to turn off life support, and the family goes to court to stop it.
DRJ (df5ffc) — 10/31/2024 @ 11:01 am> Texas needs to revisit its law to make clear that life-saving procedures will not be withheld. If not, it deserves to be struck down by the courts and Texas’s sovereign immunity from lawsuits needs to be restricted here.
Prediction: they will not revisit the law, and the law will be upheld by the Supreme Court.
aphrael (078a66) — 10/31/2024 @ 11:16 amHard cases make bad law.
Because 1 or 2 people might have misinterpreted the law does not make the law bad.
Carry on with the propublica propaganda. They also continued the lie about the woman in Georgia in their piece of propaganda.
NJRob (b31871) — 10/31/2024 @ 11:39 amhttps://hotair.com/david-strom/2024/10/31/pa-democratic-party-illegally-suppressing-the-vote-n3796520
Leftists breaking the law and trying to suppress the vote in areas where they cannot rig the vote.
NJRob (b31871) — 10/31/2024 @ 11:43 amGarbage people
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/31/2024 @ 12:04 pmJust an anecdote, but my sister in law, voted for stupid Hitler in 2016 and 20, but called my wife today, to point out the whole “whether they like it or not” bit. She’s out, she’s voting for Harris because of that, all the other crimes and racism, flirting with the Nazi’s and KKK, not enough to flip her. But some gross old man with a history of sexual misconduct was the breaking point.
Every woman knows men like stupid Hitler, it’s always gross, and he’s the poster child for smarmy, scummy, letch. The more women turn out, the more votes are for Harris.
That he’s counting on his ick factor turning out young men, highlights a problem with them. I can’t believe the incel schtick is working on so many young men.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/31/2024 @ 1:16 pmWhether Ms. Barnica liked it or not, she died from an infection caused her doctors’ refusal to remove her miscarrying fetus whose heart was going to stop beating regardless, which happened shortly after TX passed their abortion tattletale law.
In the case of Amber Thurman in Georgia, while it’s easy and lazy to go ad hom on ProPublica, they accurately reported that the state’s maternal mortality review committee concluded that their deaths were “preventable”.
This is going to remain a problem as long as state law and the Hippocratic Oath are in conflict. To me, it is pro-life that Barnica and Thurman should have gotten the health care when they needed it to keep them alive.
Paul Montagu (f97d41) — 10/31/2024 @ 1:24 pm…her death, not their deaths…
Paul Montagu (f97d41) — 10/31/2024 @ 1:25 pmAnd I’ve run into dozens of voters in the past few weeks who admitted to being Democrats, but are tired of the race baiting ans the propaganda from the left. They are voting for Trump because it was better under him than it is now.
Have a nice day.
NJRob (b31871) — 10/31/2024 @ 1:36 pmHere’s the text of Zurawski vs State of Texas: https://www.txcourts.gov/media/1458610/230629.pdf
The relevant part of the ruling:
The problem here is that doctors don’t believe that the state won’t still charge them, even if the law covers them.
Davethulhu (591411) — 10/31/2024 @ 1:44 pm“And I’ve run into dozens of voters in the past few weeks who admitted to being Democrats, but are tired of the race baiting ans the propaganda from the left.”
lamo
Davethulhu (591411) — 10/31/2024 @ 1:44 pmThey just need to clarify that there will not be any prosecutions in cases where there is doubt about whether the life of the mother or substantial physical impairment will occur. That still is a risk.
Now when there was a chance of anyone filing a lawsuit perhaps there was some grounds for delay but someone could file a lawsuit even if there was no heartbeat,
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 10/31/2024 @ 2:11 pmYou, too. Your lie is still in this thread, unretracted you f-cking asshole.
Paul Montagu (1888f5) — 10/31/2024 @ 2:13 pmlloyd (efb1e1) — 10/30/2024 @ 4:43 pm
She didn’t expect anyone to compare the records.
By the way, I think that lying on a jury notice form this is one of those crimes where they threaten severe penalties but never enforce it except in extremely unusual circumstances.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 10/31/2024 @ 2:15 pmDavethulhu (591411) — 10/31/2024 @ 1:44 pm
Because that is what their lawyers tell them!
Different Texas hospitals have different policies
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 10/31/2024 @ 2:18 pmand they don’t in fact need to go out of state (if they know that)
https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/10/ben-shapiro-ny-times-media-matters-pressuring-youtube-to-demonetize-and-penalize-conservatives/
Supporting the left means supporting these totalitarian tactics.
NJRob (b31871) — 10/31/2024 @ 2:19 pmNot a lie. But your vulgar language is against the ToS.
NJRob (b31871) — 10/31/2024 @ 2:20 pmJazz Shaw from Hot Air passed away.
NJRob (b31871) — 10/31/2024 @ 2:21 pm“Because that is what their lawyers tell them!”
People should listen to their lawyers.
Davethulhu (591411) — 10/31/2024 @ 2:25 pmYeah, a lie, you were fact-checked on your lie, you lying sack of sh-t, which is an accurate description of your character.
You’re the one who violated the commenting rules which, to repeat, the key rule is this.
You mischaracterized because you don’t have a single comment of mine to back up your lying claim. And lloyd and Kevin are also lying sacks of sh-t for their lies.
Paul Montagu (1888f5) — 10/31/2024 @ 2:36 pmDO NOT MISCHARACTERIZE OTHER PEOPLE’S POSITIONS.
And lloyd and Kevin are also lying sacks of sh-t for their lies.
I can’t speak for lloyd, but that is a clear mischaracterization of my position.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/31/2024 @ 4:07 pmHere’s the thing about Paul:
He posts hundreds of times a week. Most of his posts are tedious in the extreme, and almost no one reads them all. Now and then some one of them needs a response, but IF YOU HAVEN’T READ EVERY LAST THING HE’S WRITTEN, he will claim you are misrepresenting his position because of something he said in some other post.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/31/2024 @ 4:15 pmThis is why I wanted to do a deep dive into how the story was written.
I can’t find where the blame on the doctors came from a source other than the husband saying the wife said so.
The conclusion is really written evasively:
If the records they reviewed said that the doctors were waiting to deliver, the author would have put that front and center. Instead there are several things going on that the reader is convinced are all the same due to the deception.
BuDuh (4214e4) — 10/31/2024 @ 4:27 pm#475 Rip, thanks for finding that. I should have mentioned that possibility in my original comment.
As I read that document, Nick Brown’s wife has filed for a divorce/separation — but that is as far as it has gone. (Legal beagles should feel free to correct me.)
If so, kind of a strange time to run for a high stress office like attorney general. Especially with two kids. (Who look about 10 and 12 to me.)
Jim Miller (d74930) — 10/31/2024 @ 4:30 pmTranscript of Kamala Harris’s speech at the Ellipse, Tuesday, October 29, 2024:
https://theblackwallsttimes.com/2024/10/30/full-transcript-of-vice-president-kamala-harriss-ellipse-speech
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 10/31/2024 @ 4:40 pmComedy Gold!
Republican nominee Donald Trump sued CBS News on Thursday over an interview with Democratic nominee Kamala Harris that aired on its “60 Minutes” program earlier this month, arguing that the network’s edit of the sit-down was “deceitful” and “amounts to a brazen attempt to interfere in the 2024 U.S. Presidential Election.”
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A spokesperson for CBS News called the lawsuit “completely without merit” and said in a statement that “60 Minutes” “fairly presented the Interview to inform the viewing audience, and not to mislead it.”
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The lawsuit said it was filed in Texas because CBS engages in “substantial and not isolated business activities” there. “The Interview was aired in Texas, remains accessible to the general public in Texas, and has been viewed by individuals in Texas,” the complaint said.
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“This is obviously a public relations stunt, an attempt to undermine the credibility of not only Harris and not only of CBS News, but of all traditional mainstream legacy media,” said Robert Jensen, a law professor at the University of Texas at Austin. “Traditional mainstream legacy media reports critically about Trump’s deceptions, his coarse language, his lies, his abusive language, and so Trump is always trying to undermine the credibility of those journalists.”
The lawsuit seeks unusually high damages of $10 billion, alleging that the editing of the interview “damaged President Trump’s fundraising and support values by several billions of dollars, particularly in Texas.” It demands that CBS post the full recording of the interview as well as the unedited transcript of Harris’s response.
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After the case ends up being transferred to New York, since that is where both parties are located, it will be summarily dismissed for lack of standing and lack of a concrete injury to Trump. He will need to prove the injuries to his fundraising, which is unlikely.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/31/2024 @ 4:40 pmPost 537 should have been blockquoted, except for the italicized portion.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/31/2024 @ 4:41 pmIt’s too bad we don’t have a special layout for Trump quotes. Blockhead, not blockquote.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/31/2024 @ 4:59 pmMaybe use Wingdings.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/31/2024 @ 5:00 pmBoth are good ideas.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/31/2024 @ 5:12 pmTrump and Vance are trying to make it look like PA votes are questionable. Fast forward a week and watch them defending those votes if PA is the state that puts them over the top.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/31/2024 @ 5:13 pmNo, Kevin, you’re lying about that, too, as much as Rob lied. You said…
…which is a lie. You have no factual support, not a single quote where I said I was okay with that. You can waste your time looking for a comment, but you won’t find such a thing, because I never said such a thing. You should man up, Kevin, retract and apologize.
This is my red line, folks, just like it’s Patterico’s red line. If you’re going to accuse someone of saying something, you goddam better back it up.
Paul Montagu (f97d41) — 10/31/2024 @ 5:36 pmThis is interesting, because you post way more than I do, and it’s tedium, but you won’t see whining about. You’ve already told me that you don’t like what I say, and well so what, get over yourself.
Bottom line, Kevin, you claimed I said something, but you pulled that claim straight from your ass, which is a personal attack, and was a pile-on after Rob’s personal attack. WTF is wrong with you?
Paul Montagu (f97d41) — 10/31/2024 @ 5:41 pmWTF is wrong with you?
Right back at you. You are taking everything as a personal attack.
Tell you what. I’m willing to start over it you will. Then again, maybe I’m just gone. I’ve been on this site as long as it’s been active; maybe that’s too long.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/31/2024 @ 6:06 pmYou’re lying about that, too, Kevin. I took three specific comments, not “everything”, as personal attacks because each were lies that smeared a commenter, and now you’re too much of a pizda to own up. So thanks for revealing your shiddy character.
Paul Montagu (f97d41) — 10/31/2024 @ 6:25 pmSeriously, why “start over” without any assurance that you’re not going to pull this crap all over again. Stay or go, I don’t care.
Catoggio on Trumpian policy.
They’re also obviously not conservative either.
Paul Montagu (f97d41) — 10/31/2024 @ 6:41 pmSeriously, why “start over” without any assurance that you’re not going to pull this crap all over again. Stay or go, I don’t care.
You’re a real sh*t Paul. Does your wife know what you post? Why don’t you show her.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/31/2024 @ 6:44 pmThere you go, blame-shifting like the lying asshole you are.
Paul Montagu (f97d41) — 10/31/2024 @ 7:00 pmI’m all for going back to civility, but it’s on you to stay on the right side of the red line. Can you do that? At this point, I’m not optimistic.
Kevin,
you are giving him too much credit. He trolled at Hot Air and who knows how many other sites under different names. He will always claim to be a conservative, but be one espousing leftist positions.
It’s always, to save the Republic we must advance the leftist agenda. This is just more of the same.
Wouldn’t surprise me if him, Klink and a couple of others are the same person or came from the same group elsewhere after they destroyed that site.
NJRob (b31871) — 10/31/2024 @ 7:03 pmJake Sullivan is probably Vladimir Putin’s biggest Western enabler in the Ukraine conflict.
Running joke is that Jake Sullivan is better at defending Russia from Ukraine than the s400 SAM (Iran may agree, but that is a story for a different day)
Trump threatened to let NATO fight their own way out of an attack by Putin’s Russia unless they began to carry their weight in defense spending. The Sullivan Administration has repeatedly leaked, lied, shortchanged- demonstrating that the US under viceroyal Sullivan is unreliable when up against Putin. We can only assume that federal authorities will now explore this direct connection between Sullivan and Russia
Jake Sullivan in 2016 projecting on Trump and Russia
“This could be the most direct link yet between Donald Trump and Moscow,” Sullivan claimed. “Computer scientists have apparently uncovered a covert server linking the Trump Organization to a Russian-based bank. This secret hotline may be the key to unlocking the mystery of Trump’s ties to Russia. … This line of communication may help explain Trump’s bizarre adoration of Vladimir Putin.”
Sullivan added: “We can only assume that federal authorities will now explore this direct connection between Trump and Russia.”
https://x.com/HillaryClinton/status/793250312119263233/photo/1
steveg (7095e5) — 10/31/2024 @ 7:03 pmYou said, “You pushed the 51 intelligence officials garbage hook, line and sinker.” Show your work, Rob. Back up your claim.
At Hotair, you lied that I was a Hillary supporter. The fact is that I’ve been NeverClinton as much as NeverTrump.
Paul Montagu (f97d41) — 10/31/2024 @ 7:44 pmI’m not backing down here. Tomorrow’s another day, and hopefully there will be a new open thread, but I’m not backing down here, so I advise you to stop the bullying.
Hey Paul I’m just handing out candy, so I’ve got some time to waste. The search tool is really useful.
I mean, looks like you didn’t even need the 51 intelligence blowhards to tell you it was planted misinformation. The claim is backed up.
lloyd (5033b5) — 10/31/2024 @ 8:42 pmNot buying it for a nanosecond. It’s like stupid Hitler telling a story, all lie, all the time, obvious and simple.
Colonel Klink (ret) (6c274e) — 10/31/2024 @ 10:22 pm@554 under the radar as in 2016 real left democrats like me who will vote for Jill Stein fed up with democrat party trying to appeal to republicans instead of progressives. we cost hillary Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin in 2016. If the dnc thinks constant ads with donor class money isn’t turning democrats off with reminding them who is in control of the party $$$ they will have a rude awakening. For every action their is a reaction. Bernie and the squad are playing the game so the left doesn’t get blamed for kamala’s loss and if she wins the left will have supported the party.
asset (727b8f) — 11/1/2024 @ 3:27 amThe real Real Left wears boxers under Khakis cause it don’t mean a thing if it ain’t got that swing.
Eat your heart out, Mr. Trump!
nk (89646e) — 11/1/2024 @ 4:11 amIrrelevant, lloyd. The comment was basically spitballing and had nothing to do with 51 intelligence officials or Russian disinformation.
Rob said this: “You pushed the 51 intelligence officials garbage hook, line and sinker.”
Neither you nor Rob have unearthed a single comment of mine that even brought up such a thing.
Y’all are the Putins here, because your attacks were unprovoked, illegitimate and wrong, and I’ll push back as I’ll see fit.
Paul Montagu (f97d41) — 11/1/2024 @ 5:05 am#555 You aren’t alone in backing Ms. Stein.
Jim Miller (902107) — 11/1/2024 @ 5:09 amI take it that we won’t be having a discussion on what I see as deceptive language in the miscarriage link?
BuDuh (4214e4) — 11/1/2024 @ 5:11 amFor anyone concerned about Trump’s fascist tendencies, the following should alleviate them.
Oh wait, nevermind. Not six weeks ago, Trump said this about Milley, which I shouldn’t have to say is unhinged.
Paul Montagu (f97d41) — 11/1/2024 @ 5:20 amRegarding Liz Cheney, the host who interviewed Trump was Tucker Carlson who, in an earlier interview yesterday, said he was attacked by demons that left bloody marks on his body. TrumpWorld is BizarroWorld. This isn’t going to get better if he’s elected.
Paul Montagu (f97d41) — 11/1/2024 @ 5:30 amhttps://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/3210651/cpac-claims-evidence-wisconsin-illegal-ballot-harvesting/
Democrats continue to cheat because it’s the only way they can win.
NJRob (b31871) — 11/1/2024 @ 5:57 amBTW lloyd, the comment of mine that you blockquoted was literally on the day the Hunter laptop story came out (and five days before the statement from the 51 former intel people), and I said it within an hour or two of reading the NYP story. It was speculation, nobody really knew anything in that moment, including the name of the computer repair guy, and it was always legitimate to question Giuliani as a source, and obviously Bannon, too.
Six hours after my comment that you cut-and-pasted, I said “the story can’t be said to be verified”.
Ten days later, after getting enough confirmation that it was authentic, I said so. End of story.
Paul Montagu (f97d41) — 11/1/2024 @ 6:15 am560. Yeah, Dysphoric Donna is not a deranged degenerate at all. Not one little bit.
nk (89646e) — 11/1/2024 @ 7:47 amFunny, that the guy who polls at 49.9% support:
1. Is going to get Elon to mess with the budget. Elon indicates the middle class may take a big hit and things will be rough for a few years (three or four, maybe), but we’ll be better off for it;
2. Fantasizes in public about putting a prominent political opponent in front of people firing guns;
3. Sues a news network for 10 billion, because they did not edit an interview with a political opponent in the way he wanted;
4. Wants to put RFK, Jr in charge of public health. Because let’s face it, all our kids need measles and whooping cough and COVID.
Donald Trump is a liar, but he has not lied about who and what he is. But he is happy enough if many of y’all lie to yourselves.
Appalled (485049) — 11/1/2024 @ 8:54 amIt’s all of a piece. Last July…
It was unhinged then, and employing violent images of Cheney being shot in the face is no less unhinged today. Before someone screams “LEFTIST SOURCE”!, the bottom line is that Trump said the words.
Paul Montagu (f97d41) — 11/1/2024 @ 9:18 amPersonal Attack!
BuDuh (2be974) — 11/1/2024 @ 9:23 amThird election in a row where the choices are:
A. More steps down the wrong road AKA “Trust us”
B. Helter-skelter AKA Overland adventure
Trump lies more (perhaps lots more) but the Democrat lies are more cynical.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 11/1/2024 @ 9:44 amlloyd:
ys What search tool? Google doesn’t tend to turn up things like this any more. It used to search through the comments here.
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 11/1/2024 @ 9:57 am@562 The cheating is by rethugs trying to stop legitimate votes from being counted by calling it ballot harvesting because more democrats take ballots to be counted then republicans. Why do you want less citizens votes to be counted because that is what will happen under the phony guise of illegal aliens voting.
asset (2bbf8c) — 11/1/2024 @ 2:49 pm