Weekend Open Thread
[guest post by Dana]
Let’s go!
First news item
Trump blames President Zelensky for letting the war with Russia start:
Donald Trump blamed Russia’s war on Ukraine on Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy — an escalation of a pattern of sympathetic rhetoric toward the war’s aggressor, Russian President Vladimir Putin.
“He should never have let that war start. The war’s a loser,” Trump said, referring to Zelenskyy, on a podcast with conservative commentator Patrick Bet-David published Thursday. The former president added that President Joe Biden had “instigated that war,” which he has repeatedly maintained “would never have happened” if he had been president.
Additionally,
So, Trump will blame President Zelensky and even President Biden for what’s happening in Ukraine, but you know who he won’t blame? The very person who began this war: his good buddy, Vladimir Putin.
Second news item
On the heels of Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar’s death, President Biden spoke to Israel’s Prime Minister Netanyahu:
Biden called Netanyahu from Air Force One on his way to Germany and congratulated the prime minister on the elimination of Sinwar by Israeli soldiers operating in southern Gaza.
“The leaders agreed that there is an opportunity now to push for the release of the hostages and stressed they will work together to that end,” the Israeli Prime Minister’s Office said.
The White House said Biden and Netanyahu discussed “how to use this moment to bring the hostages home and to bring the war to a close with Israel’s security assured and Hamas never again able to control Gaza.”
Of course the $64 question is how to achieve those goals.
Third news item
President Zelensky and the bottom line:
“There are two choices. Or Ukraine will have nuclear weapons, or we should have some kind of alliance, and apart from NATO we do not know any functioning alliances today. We want to choose NATO, not nuclear weapons.”
He added that the Budapest Memorandum failed, and Ukraine is the only one affected by it.
“If Russia violated this document, although it is and was the guarantor of this memorandum, then how can we believe in this document? And how can we trust all the partners who guaranteed the preservation of our territorial integrity and sovereignty? These were not only agreements between Ukraine and Russia, but between Ukraine and all partners. Which of these great countries, of all the nuclear powers, are affected? All? No, just one. Ukraine. Who gave away the nuclear weapons? All? No, just one. Ukraine. And who is fighting right now? All? No, just one. Ukraine.”
This:
either Ukraine gets full NATO membership or it will have to pursue nuclear rearmament.
These are the only two scenarios that can guarantee Ukraine’s survival in the long run.
Fourth news item
Anne Applebaum on Trump speaking like Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini:
In using this language, Trump knows exactly what he is doing. He understands which era and what kind of politics this language evokes. “I haven’t read Mein Kampf,” he declared, unprovoked, during one rally—an admission that he knows what Hitler’s manifesto contains, whether or not he has actually read it. “If you don’t use certain rhetoric,” he told an interviewer, “if you don’t use certain words, and maybe they’re not very nice words, nothing will happen.”
His talk of mass deportation is equally calculating. When he suggests that he would target both legal and illegal immigrants, or use the military arbitrarily against U.S. citizens, he does so knowing that past dictatorships have used public displays of violence to build popular support. By calling for mass violence, he hints at his admiration for these dictatorships but also demonstrates disdain for the rule of law and prepares his followers to accept the idea that his regime could, like its predecessors, break the law with impunity.
Fifth news item
On the Christian vote in November:
The only way to justify voting for Trump as a Christian is to negate the importance of character in leadership, justify all sorts of immoral behavior, and believe that the ends you desire justify the means to get there.
Then you also have to pretend like he didn’t say all the racist and sexist things, display admiration for dictators around the world, alienate allies, accept that he is not pro-life, ignore all the lies, ignore all the tantrums, and ignore the fact that the only reason his first term wasn’t utterly catastrophic was because there were some principled conservatives serving in his administration at the time that restrained him from the chaos he could’ve unleashed.
And they also have to have a high tolerance for illegal and immoral behavior and scandal…
Sixth news item
The judge in Donald Trump’s election-fraud case has rejected all of the former president’s arguments for sealing evidence in the case.
Judge Tanya Chutkan will unseal the evidence appendix on Friday, despite Trump saying that it will be used against him by the Kamala Harris presidential campaign.
The Republican nominee is accused of conspiracy to defraud the United States; conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding; obstruction and attempting to obstruct an official proceeding; and conspiracy against rights in connection with an alleged pressure campaign on state officials to reverse the 2020 election results.
Seventh news item
A few letters to the editor in the Washington Post make very clear that Kamala Harris shouldn’t expect Black men to vote for her because of race. As one writer said, “It is not the job of Black men to blindly vote for Ms. Harris; it is her job to earn our vote.”
A sample from one letter:
I came across former president Barack Obama’s recent statements admonishing Black men for not blindly supporting Vice President Kamala Harris in her quest for the presidency. I have to say: As a Black man, I was very insulted by his remarks, which were more condescending than anything former president Donald Trump has said about “Black jobs.”
Mr. Obama’s allegation omitted one obvious fact: Black men have already voted for a woman for president. In 2016, 81 percent of Black men voted for Hillary Clinton. She didn’t lose because of us; she lost because 47 percent of White women voted for Mr. Trump, slightly higher than the 45 percent of them who voted for Ms. Clinton. In 2020, an even higher percentage of White women, 53 percent, voted for Mr. Trump. I highly doubt that Mr. Obama would ever speak to White women in the same belittling tone that he spoke to Black men.
And from another letter:
Former president Barack Obama’s speculation that the reluctance of Black men to be enthusiastic about Kamala Harris’s candidacy is based on sexism misses the mark.
Black men have good reason to be skeptical of a Democratic presidential candidate who, as a prosecutor, participated in the acceleration of mass incarceration of Black people resulting from Democratic President Bill Clinton’s law-and-order legislation. They watched while Mr. Clinton also engaged in punitive “welfare reform” that bolstered the false stereotype of welfare recipients as Black people looking for a handout. Mr. Obama offered a message of hope, then bailed out Wall Street even as his inadequate response to the financial meltdown — another result of Clinton-era deregulation — caused untold millions in home equity in the Black community to evaporate. No major finance executive was held responsible for this devastation.
Have a good weekend.
—Dana
Hello.
Dana (063428) — 10/18/2024 @ 7:43 amIt is really terrible that Harris is running uncontested.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/18/2024 @ 7:57 am… and she’s STILL losing!
Item #3 seems like a pretty big deal that Zelensky is all but advocating for nuclear war. Seems like a big deal, but what do I know?
SaveFarris (79ab12) — 10/18/2024 @ 8:43 amIn other news:
A few days after Newsom signs bill requiring oil refineries to store gasoline to avoid supply disruptions, Phillips orders the shutdown of their Wilmington and Carson, CA refinery complex.
Note that CA’s taxes on gasoline far exceed oil companies profits on the same gasoline.
Environmentalists are gleeful. And this little bit of whistling past the graveyard:
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/18/2024 @ 8:50 amTo be fair, it doesn’t seem like the Black men who wrote to the WaPo are going to vote for Trump. More like Jill Stein, or stay home watching basketball.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/18/2024 @ 8:53 amItem #3 seems like a pretty big deal that Zelensky is all but advocating for nuclear war.
So, you think that the US should give up its nuclear weapons?
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/18/2024 @ 8:54 amI ask this because I am not allowed to call you a moron.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/18/2024 @ 8:55 amThe obvious implication of the world’s unwillingness (or inability) to protect Ukraine’s borders is that non-proliferation is dead and every state in the world *should* be trying to obtain nuclear weapons to ensure that there is *some* protection for their territorial integrity.
I *hate* this fact and think that it will be a disaster for humanity, but there’s no way around it now — nothing will deter a nuclear power except for their potential adversary having nuclear weapons of their own.
Great world we’ve built here.
aphrael (07de23) — 10/18/2024 @ 8:56 amThe obvious implication of the world’s unwillingness (or inability) to protect Ukraine’s borders is that non-proliferation is dead
It was dead when the world let the Norks get away with cheating on their NNPT commitment, and then get way with it AGAIN when given a second chance. Iran took note and did the same thing.
Who will Ukraine get nukes from, though? France? Israel? North Korea (for enough money)?
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/18/2024 @ 9:06 amLike his service to the Ayatollah as president, Jimmy Carter saved the Norks nuclear program in the 90’s. History will see him for what he was.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/18/2024 @ 9:08 amTrump may not have read Mein Kampf, but he read Hitler’s speeches, per
his ex-wife, which he never denied.
His lies about Ukraine are borderline traitorous, the way he keeps giving Putin a pass, to a nation that is a hostile foreign power to American interests.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/18/2024 @ 9:17 amExcept he’s not.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/18/2024 @ 9:20 amSince Putin welshed on the Budapest Memorandum, where Ukraine agreed to give up all the nukes in their arsenal in exchange for Russia’s promise that they’d respect their sovereignty, Ukraine wants some of their nukes back.
Zelensky is right about one thing: if this war ends in Ukraine surrendering substantial territory to Russia but not with Ukraine being accepted into NATO, then Putin has won. I doubt very much that Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, or Donald Trump will have the fortitude to demand this land-for-security type of arrangement, so it will be up to the other members of NATO to champion it.
JVW (d17bc5) — 10/18/2024 @ 9:29 amA Twitter user with the handle @Koshercockney catches Kamala Harris in her typical two-faced nonsense. The woman who as the number two person in the Biden Administration joined with her boss and her colleagues in warning Israel not to assault Rafah now celebrates the death of Yaha Sinwar who was — you guessed it! — killed in Rafah. Worst of all, she probably inflates the role that American intelligence agencies played in tracking him down, and she dares to use the first person plural when describing the death: “We will always bring you to justice.”
No ma’am, your administration wanted Israel to call off their efforts to eradicate Hamas and enter into a truce which would have only allowed Hamas militants to rest and recoup, then take up their ugly intifada a few years down the road. And you would have keep Iran’s proxy Hezbollah in a strong position in Lebanon too if you would have had your druthers. This may very well be the last gasp for Hamas and the neutering of Hezbollah, God willing, and history will likely show that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris were mostly obstacles in the path to the eradication of terrorism on Israel’s borders.
JVW (d17bc5) — 10/18/2024 @ 9:48 amYou know, even if U.S. intelligence participated in the tracking down of Sinwar, it’s not a good idea to broadcast that to the public. Better for the world to wonder how many intelligence assets and spying stations the U.S. has in that part of the world then to drop huge clues about it. But of course with an election coming up and the Israel-Hamas issue vexing the Democrats to no end, the Biden team just had to hone in on the glory which really rightly belongs solely to Israel. They are so shameless.
JVW (d17bc5) — 10/18/2024 @ 9:55 amIn rationalizing Ukraine’s surrender, Trump asked this stupid question…
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/18/2024 @ 9:55 am“Anne Applebaum on Trump speaking like Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini”
Wow, I guess we’re back to being okay with over the top eliminationist rhetoric. That didn’t take long. But when the next assassination attempt happens, we know whose rhetoric will get blamed. See softball shooting.
“By calling for mass violence, he hints at his admiration for these dictatorships but also demonstrates disdain for the rule of law and prepares his followers to accept the idea that his regime could, like its predecessors, break the law with impunity.”
Enforcing the rule of law on our borders is contorted into dictatorship inspired mass violence. What a ridiculous stretch. Being Nevertrump means being utterly shameless.
lloyd (e919bf) — 10/18/2024 @ 10:04 amThe fascist rhetoric is Trump’s, in plain English…
“I think the bigger problem is the enemy from within, not even the people that have come in — and destroying our country and, by the way, totally destroying our country. The towns and villages, they’re being inundated. But I don’t think they have the problem in terms of Election Day. I think the bigger problem are the people from within. We have some very bad people. We have some sick people, radical left lunatics. And I think. And it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by National Guard or if really necessary by the military, because they can’t let that happen.”
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/18/2024 @ 10:08 am–Donald J. Trump, on Bartiromo, 10/13/2024
Could someone please tell me why demanding that immigration laws be enforced is “fascist”, even if it takes serious measures after 3 decades of ignoring them?
If people feel that enforcing these laws is terrible maybe they ought to come to some agreement on new, better laws. Otherwise this stuff about “the Rule of Law” seems hypocritical.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/18/2024 @ 10:14 am@18 Yet another “Don’t miss next time” dog whistle.
You were the one giving a dissertation on over the top Kamala Communist comments.
lloyd (151353) — 10/18/2024 @ 10:18 amThe English is clear, Kevin, but you read it completely wrong.
Trump was talking about Americans, and Trump wanting to use our military to “handle” them. He even named one of those “enemies from within”, Adam Schiff.
These are the ravings of a fascist madman.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/18/2024 @ 10:38 amHere’s a great story of the Jewish starting QB at intensely-Mormon BYU. It’s a surprisingly good fit, but I suspect it helps that they’re 6-0 and 13th ranked.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/18/2024 @ 10:46 amMr. Retzlaff is one of three Jews on campus, or seven short of a minyan.
We should re-name the Rio Grande Valley “The Donbas” so liberals will finally be willing to protect OUR borders.
SaveFarris (79ab12) — 10/18/2024 @ 10:49 amPaul, your focusing on the words he said, (looks it up…3 times last week). You should be like MAGA and focus on what he should have said. Va Gov did that, Trump went on TV and and doubled down on Bartiromo’s show. Still, as long as you ignore all the fascist stuff and lies, you have a perfect thing.
if…uh…ugly…failed America…uh…uh…beautiful…uh…uh…
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/18/2024 @ 10:50 amMeet the newest leader of Hamas, safely ensconced in Qatar.
And he’s even indicted by the US.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/18/2024 @ 11:01 amTrump always flatters the person he perceives as the most difficult in any negotiation.
Putin holds a pretty strong hand in negotiation, and he does hold the ultimate war card.
Look at how EU member have changed trading partners. For some weird reason some of the EU members trade with Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan is up 1400%
Trade sanctions are hurting Russia, but like Iran they have found work arounds.
The most expeditious way to bring Russia to the table is to allow and equip Ukraine to destroy Russia’s electric rail system. There are several pipeline “junctions” that could be hit to seriously disrupt Russia’ ability to deliver oil and gas to China and India.
Russian economy would be crippled, but at what cost? Back when Dick Cheney was a Republican, he “looked into Putin’s eyes and saw KGB”. If cornered, we can assume Putin will act out like KGB. that would be ugly here because Russia does have capabilities to hurt us.
One approach would be to not want the bear to feel cornered going into negotiations. Another is to cripple the bear, and then negotiate.
Both Trump and Biden seem to be opting for the first option. Ukraine has to win on its own. People say it cannot, but it can win a better negotiating position. Kursk invasion is one card to trade. I also think Ukraine is innovating, adapting very quickly and will probably spend the winter sending ever improved drones at Russian ammunition, airfields, staging training facilities, and infrastructure.
Here is my best guess on how a President Trump would negotiate. He’d likely try to get Ukraine to give up Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk, and the Kursk region in return for a Russian withdrawal from the remainder. Probably then offers to put Ukraine into NATO, or into some form of protective treaty (over Russian objections) Neither party is going to be happy with a Trump settlement, but Trump will perfectly happy to act the bully, be the bad guy.
I think more interesting discussion would be of how Trump negotiates for peace in the middle east given the Iranians are the power behind Hamas, Hezbollah- and they evidently greenlit Trump.
steveg (04876c) — 10/18/2024 @ 11:49 amBTW, Zelenskyy isn’t going to get NATO membership or nukes while under invasion by Putin, IMO.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/18/2024 @ 11:55 amThe only way Ukraine gets into NATO is by ceding around one-fifth of the country to Russia, and then joining immediately after, but that joining won’t happen as long as Hungary is in the alliance, and there are likely others who won’t vote “yes”. I wouldn’t be in favor either, because there are criteria for entry, and Ukraine shouldn’t be exempt.
@13
Based on Trump’s prior rhetoric, I’m not sure he’d advocate for it…
But, it would take someone *like* Trump, who’s willing to take a stand that goes against the global status quo to advocate a “deal” that if Ukraine has to give up their lands, then only acceptance to NATO would be the “price” for giving up all those lands (ie, Dunba region and Crimea).
I don’t see it.
whembly (477db6) — 10/18/2024 @ 12:23 pmDonbas
Trump’s “willing to take a stand that goes against the global status quo” would mean American replacing France in the French surrender monkey phraseology.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/18/2024 @ 12:36 pm@12
You know who else welshed on the Budapest Memorandum?
The Obama Administration. (and Britian/German/France)
Why?
Because Democrats at that time were USSR-curious, who wanted Russian goodwill as evidenced by HRC’s red button “reset” event and Obama’s open-mic “wait till after election, I’ll have flexibility” blurb.
whembly (477db6) — 10/18/2024 @ 12:37 pmThese are the ravings of a fascist madman.
His removal from office will be more with sadness than anger.
OK, maybe more anger. Do you actually argue that the majority of the GOP is fascist? Because if that is the case, there is no hope regardless of what happens to Trump.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/18/2024 @ 12:49 pmTrump’s “willing to take a stand that goes against the global status quo”
If Trump wins, NATO will intervene in Ukraine before he takes office.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/18/2024 @ 12:50 pmIn regard to Putin, Trump is the harem eunuch pining to be a concubine. Don’t even … just don’t!
nk (6fbee9) — 10/18/2024 @ 12:53 pmYou are probably as shocked as I am by this story.
Is the story true? Probably.
Will some Trumpistas be pleased by this story? Certainly.
Jim Miller (caf39e) — 10/18/2024 @ 12:53 pmNow that is some ridiculous and wrong blame-shifting.
The signatories of the deal were Russia, Ukraine, the US and the UK, not Germany or France. In exchange for Ukraine giving over all their nukes to Russia, the signatories promised (1) security assurances, not guarantees, assurances, and (2) to respect Ukrainian sovereignty. Putin blew threw both points of the deal by their 2014 invasion, the US and UK did not.
Obama US provided military aid, but not the lethal kind, which was insufficient but didn’t break the deal, Putin broke it all the way through.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/18/2024 @ 1:00 pm@35
Such a weaselly cop-out.
whembly (477db6) — 10/18/2024 @ 1:12 pmSuch a weaselly cop-out.
Indeed. To absolve Obama here is risible. Still, that is no defense of what Trump intends.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/18/2024 @ 1:21 pmObama US provided military aid, but not the lethal kind
That’s like saying we provided humanitarian aid, but not the food or medical kind.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/18/2024 @ 1:23 pmIt’s fraud from the top to all the way down to his fraud townhall. I’m sick of the fraud.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/18/2024 @ 1:23 pmBS. You’re just flat-out wrong. Assurances aren’t guarantees, whembly, and they’re non-binding. I don’t like it but that’s how the deal was written.
In addition to military and monetary aid, we and other NATO members have also sent military advisors to help shore up their defenses and help in their ongoing war against Russia in the Donbas region of Ukraine, which started in 2014 has been unabated ever since.
Trump’s sending javelins to Ukraine did no good because we stipulated that they stay in western Ukraine, hundreds of miles from the front.
Bottom line, we’ve been helping the country for the past three decades, practically since their inception, and it’s been a good investment, IMO. Before Putin invaded in 2014, we provided $5 billion in aid to strengthen their economy and democracy, and we’ve provided aid ever since but, in the last ten years, none of it has been enough. Does that mean we haven’t lived up to the deal? No, we’ve been their best ally this side of Poland.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/18/2024 @ 1:43 pmRegarding Obama, yes, but for kicking Putin out of the G8 to make it the G7, his response was milquetoast. He was way too late and too little on sanctions and aid. Does that mean he welshed on the Budapest Memorandum? No, that’s all on Putin.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/18/2024 @ 1:46 pmFrom Wartranslated x Dmitri
https://x.com/wartranslated
In response to a journalist’s question about the likelihood of Ukraine joining NATO in exchange for territories as part of a ceasefire agreement, the Kremlin Butcher [Putin] stated that “a ceasefire cannot last for 1-2 weeks or a year, just for NATO countries to rearm and replenish their ammunition stocks.”
He claimed to “not understand the talks about trading territories, because the territories our guys are fighting for on the battlefield are our territories. These are the Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia, and Kherson regions.”
Putin left out Crimea, but that is Putins opening negotiating position. The West will ask for Kherson and Zaporizhzhia. Luhansk and Donestk are hard asks for the west because the Ukrainians would want to expel the Russians that have colonized, militarized the areas
To get Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk back the way Ukraine wants (Territory conceded back to Ukraine, Russian colonizers out) would take decisively defeating the neo Soviet Army. Actions speaking louder than words say Biden doesn’t want that, Germany and France don’t want that. UK doesn’t want that. So Trump says it out loud. A deal needs to be made, or the Western war effort needs to be significantly escalated
By the way, Dmitri has a couple videos of NK troops getting gear and training. Says Russian wants NK troops in place in Kursk by November 1st. nk is right, they seem to have shoes AND socks- although if Russia runs true to form, the NK’s and their shoes, socks and coats will be delivered to front, pointed in general direction of west and sent in a wave. One newly mobilized Russian who was lucky enough to be POW’d complained he had been dragooned 3 weeks previously, shown how to work an AK and sent to the front. He said out of the first 20 men, it would be lucky if 5 made it to the objective. Then would send another group of 20 and maybe 5 more would get to the objective and so on. Every day is D-Day
steveg (04876c) — 10/18/2024 @ 1:46 pmRep. Mike Turner is right…why wasn’t the House informed of 12,000 North Korean military joining Putin’s War Against Ukraine?
Also, why isn’t China sanctioned harder for sending weaponry and weaponry components to Russia?
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/18/2024 @ 2:25 pmLOL! Given that NATO decisions are based on consensus, that will never happen. Trump fave Victor Orban will certainly object, as would Slovakia as well as other countries. An action like that would unravel NATO completely, as the Trump administration would withdraw any support for NATO.
Putin’s mission will be accomplished.
Rip Murdock (e9a37d) — 10/18/2024 @ 3:10 pmhttps://x.com/Schizointel/status/1847328173874160070
Notes that the NK’s are being issued Russian uniforms and equipment
Wonders aloud “Also, if this was just a training exercise, why are the North Korean soldiers being issued Russian military kit and uniforms instead of using their own military kit and uniforms[?]”
steveg (04876c) — 10/18/2024 @ 3:28 pmGiven Trump’s well known antipathy towards Zelenskyy and Ukraine, a new Trump administration would probably intervene on the Russian side.
Rip Murdock (e9a37d) — 10/18/2024 @ 3:30 pmHere’s a great story of the Jewish starting QB at intensely-Mormon BYU. It’s a surprisingly good fit, but I suspect it helps that they’re 6-0 and 13th ranked.
Mr. Retzlaff is one of three Jews on campus, or seven short of a minyan.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/18/2024 @ 10:46 am
Thank you for bringing up my alma mater, Paul. The Atlantic story is paywalled, so I could only read the first couple of paragraphs.
BYU finally got into a big boy league (the Big 12) last year, after more than a decade of independence. It went independent after its archrival, the University of Utah, left the lowly Mountain West Conference for the PAC-12 in 2010.
BYU would have loved to join the PAC-12, but there was no way the PAC-12 (particularly Cal and Stanford) were going to let a Mormon school into its club. It’s funny to me that the PAC-12 went on to collapse, and is now reconstituting as a lower-level league. BYU, with its large western fan base, could have shored up the PAC-12 if taken with Utah.
The Jewish quarterback to whom you refer was thrown into the fire last season after the starter was injured. He went 0-4. This year he is 6-0, and playing quite well.
I don’t know if the Atlantic story mentions the meme circulating in Provo, so pardon me if this is redundant. BYU’s only NCAA championship in football was in 1984. If they should happen to win it again this year, the golden headline will be: “After 40 years in the wilderness, a Jew leads BYU to the promised land.” 😁
BYU plays Oklahoma State tonight at 7:15. It will be on ESPN.
I’ve made it clear that I have issues with the Mormon church, but I still like BYU football, and I’m proud that BYU isn’t cranking out a bunch of leftist graduates like many institutions of higher learning.
We would be so much better off if the government had more people like Mitt Romney, Kyrsten Synema, Jeff Flake, and Rusty Bowers (if you don’t know his story, look it up). They all attended BYU.
(Senator Mike Lee also attended BYU. While not a lefty, he’s a full-on Trumper, and even compared Trump to Captain Moroni, a heroic figure in the Book of Mormon. That turned off many a Mormon. Lee’s father was Rex Lee, who was the Solicitor General under Reagan, and later on the president of BYU. Rex died in 1996. From what I know of him, he has to be spinning in his grave at his son’s support of Trump.)
norcal (b78f63) — 10/18/2024 @ 3:57 pmSorry for the format
norcal (b78f63) — 10/18/2024 @ 3:58 pmI’ll try again.
norcal (b78f63) — 10/18/2024 @ 4:00 pmHere’s a great story of the Jewish starting QB at intensely-Mormon BYU. It’s a surprisingly good fit, but I suspect it helps that they’re 6-0 and 13th ranked.
Mr. Retzlaff is one of three Jews on campus, or seven short of a minyan.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/18/2024 @ 10:46 am
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Thank you for bringing up my alma mater, Paul. The Atlantic story is paywalled, so I could only read the first couple of paragraphs.
BYU finally got into a big boy league (the Big 12) last year, after more than a decade of independence. It went independent after its archrival, the University of Utah, left the lowly Mountain West Conference for the PAC-12 in 2010.
BYU would have loved to join the PAC-12, but there was no way the PAC-12 (particularly Cal and Stanford) were going to let a Mormon school into its club. It’s funny to me that the PAC-12 went on to collapse, and is now reconstituting as a lower-level league. BYU, with its large western fan base, could have shored up the PAC-12 if taken with Utah.
The Jewish quarterback to whom you refer was thrown into the fire last season after the starter was injured. He went 0-4. This year he is 6-0, and playing quite well.
I don’t know if the Atlantic story mentions the meme circulating in Provo, so pardon me if this is redundant. BYU’s only NCAA championship in football was in 1984. If they should happen to win it again this year, the golden headline will be: “After 40 years in the wilderness, a Jew leads BYU to the promised land.” 😁
BYU plays Oklahoma State tonight at 7:15. It will be on ESPN.
I’ve made it clear that I have issues with the Mormon church, but I still like BYU football, and I’m proud that BYU isn’t cranking out a bunch of leftist graduates like many institutions of higher learning.
We would be so much better off if the government had more people like Mitt Romney, Kyrsten Synema, Jeff Flake, and Rusty Bowers (if you don’t know his story, look it up). They all attended BYU.
(Senator Mike Lee also attended BYU. While not a lefty, he’s a full-on Trumper, and even compared Trump to Captain Moroni, a heroic figure in the Book of Mormon. That turned off many a Mormon. Lee’s father was Rex Lee, who was the Solicitor General under Reagan, and later on the president of BYU. Rex died in 1996. From what I know of him, he has to be spinning in his grave at his son’s support of Trump.)
norcal (b78f63) — 10/18/2024 @ 4:01 pmHere’s some of the article, norcal. McKay Coppins (Mitt’s biographer) is a skilled writer.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/18/2024 @ 4:23 pmAnd here’s some more (mea culpa for encroaching on fair use).
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/18/2024 @ 4:26 pmThanks, Paul. I share the anxiety mentioned in the article. In fact, just by mentioning tonight’s game, I’m afraid this game will be where it begins to fall apart.
Here is one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen on cougarboard.com, a BYU sports site. To understand it, you need to know that ROC stands for “Roar of Cougars”, the name given to the very loud and rambunctious student section of the stadium. (The school mascot is Cougars.)
https://www.cougarboard.com/board/message.html?id=33962975&tab=laugh
norcal (b78f63) — 10/18/2024 @ 4:35 pmI’m glad you clarified that………😏😉
Rip Murdock (e9a37d) — 10/18/2024 @ 4:41 pmA little more…
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/18/2024 @ 4:58 pmNext installment…
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/18/2024 @ 4:59 pmFini…
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/18/2024 @ 5:00 pmI’m glad you clarified that………😏😉
Rip Murdock (e9a37d) — 10/18/2024 @ 4:41 pm
Funny story:
Years ago, my brother was talking to my mother (a BYU grad) about BYU football. Shortly thereafter, they went to a bank so my mom could make a deposit. My brother was driving, and they went to the drive-up teller. My mom passed the deposit slip to my brother, who then passed it on to the teller, who was very light-skinned guy (just a shade under an albino).
Well, there was a phone number that my mother had inadvertently written on the slip. The teller asked, “What do you want me to do with this?”
My wise guy brother then said, “It sucks having a mom who is a cougar.” The teller turned bright red. My mom didn’t get the joke, and said something like, “What’s wrong with being a Cougar?” After leaving the bank, my brother had to pull over, laugh his ass off, and then explain the alternate meaning of “cougar”.
norcal (b78f63) — 10/18/2024 @ 5:05 pmEven if only certain NATO members intervened in Ukraine (I can only imagine one, France), it is highly likely that Russia would retaliate by sending a few missiles their way; if only to dissuade others. I don’t think a Trump administration would respond in kind, as Article 5 only applies to self-defense, not when NATO is the aggressor.
As I said above, Trump’s antipathy towards Ukraine (and NATO) is well known, and the Russians will assume he will sit out any conflict between Europe and Russia.
Given the fact that Trump wouldn’t be able to run for reelection, I also doubt will be any serious political backlash for Trump; there will be certainly not enough support to impeach and convict him for something most Americans don’t care about.
Rip Murdock (e9a37d) — 10/18/2024 @ 5:05 pmI appreciate the installments, Paul. Only three Jews on campus? Wow. There are over 30,000 students. When I studied there, I met a Jew who had converted to Mormonism, so I guess she wouldn’t count.
norcal (b78f63) — 10/18/2024 @ 5:18 pmThe final paragraphs are in moderation, norcal, so I hope Dana can wave her magic wand. Love the story about your Cougar mom. We get some of that up here, with so many friends having gone to WSU.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/18/2024 @ 5:22 pmIt’s amusing how things come in pairs. Just now, a Chinese friend, who doesn’t understand football at all, and hasn’t ever been to a game as far as I know, invited me to go with him to the Nevada / San Jose State game tonight.
How could I say no? I can teach him about the best sport (college football) in the world.
I’ll record the BYU game, and watch it afterwards.
Later, folks!
norcal (b78f63) — 10/18/2024 @ 5:24 pmBYU would have loved to join the PAC-12, but there was no way the PAC-12 (particularly Cal and Stanford) were going to let a Mormon school into its club. It’s funny to me that the PAC-12 went on to collapse, and is now reconstituting as a lower-level league. BYU, with its large western fan base, could have shored up the PAC-12 if taken with Utah.
The way I understood it was that it wasn’t so much the affiliation with the LDS Church which kept Pac-10 from inviting BYU to join (though I can certainly see the chancellors from Berkeley, UCLA, Washington, et al. being very bigoted about bringing a Mormon school into the conference), it was more a combination of two key factors:
1) BYU will not participate in athletic contests on Sundays, and the PAC-10 had a nice arrangement with one of the TV networks to broadcast Sunday basketball games in the conference.
2) BYU by then already had their own television network, and the Pac-10 was concerned about how that would impact their ability to have their own conference network. They saw how the University of Texas’s network made it difficult for the Big 12 to get a conference network, and even though BYU would not be as prominent in the Pac-12 as Texas was in the Big 12, they just thought it would be too much of a hassle.
JVW (d17bc5) — 10/18/2024 @ 5:30 pmLeftists of the Bernard Sanders stripe now want to define making fries at McDonalds and operating a cash register at a convenience store as “skilled labor.” I guess the end game here is to then argue that they need a college degree to learn these skills, so that we can just turn everyone over to the higher education cartel for a four to eight years.
JVW (d17bc5) — 10/18/2024 @ 5:46 pmPolls Show Democrats Have Slight Lead In Early Vote-Rigging.
lloyd (52ed2e) — 10/18/2024 @ 5:56 pmhttps://www.nationalreview.com/corner/pennsylvania-democrat-bob-casey-runs-an-ad-boasting-he-bucked-biden-and-sided-with-trump/
Internal polling must be really bad for leftists in Pennsylvania.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 10/18/2024 @ 6:02 pmFCC Commissioner Seeking Investigation Into Allegation CBS Distorted Harris’ ’60 Minutes’ Interview
lloyd (52ed2e) — 10/18/2024 @ 6:03 pmhttps://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4934760-jd-vance-trump-presidency-threat/
With leftists, the old republican is transformed into a reasonable person, while the next republican is the devil incarnate.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 10/18/2024 @ 6:08 pmVatnik Soup has an entry on Daryl Cooper, the Nazi-friendly historian who appeared on Tucker’s show.
Talk Tuah? Anyway, the receipts are in the thread.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/18/2024 @ 6:13 pmUnlikely to happen now or in the future. CBS, like all media companies, are protected from government interference by the First Amendment.
Rip Murdock (8b05ae) — 10/18/2024 @ 6:20 pmThe only relief being sought by the complaint is release of the interview transcript, which CBS is fully within their editorial rights to control its distribution. A nothing burger.
Rip Murdock (e9a37d) — 10/18/2024 @ 6:26 pm@70 Just as any news outlet was fully within their rights to pretend the Hunter laptop didn’t exist. This isn’t about editorial rights, but you knew that.
lloyd (d006b9) — 10/18/2024 @ 6:54 pm65. A politician fence-straddling only says that he is a politician.
nk (82d58c) — 10/18/2024 @ 6:58 pmAny peckerwood can file a complaint with the DCC. It’s nail salons which need a business license to file nails.
nk (82d58c) — 10/18/2024 @ 7:04 pmYour post is about a complaint about the conduct of CBS News and the Kamala Harris interview, which has nothing to do with your obsession about Hunter’s laptop. In either case there is no way the government can compel a news organization to publish (or not) information in its possession. For the most part they are protected by the First Amendment.
Rip Murdock (e9a37d) — 10/18/2024 @ 7:04 pm*FCC*
nk (82d58c) — 10/18/2024 @ 7:04 pmChristian fundamental fascists have no problem voting for trump. This is why the southern baptist church broke away from the baptist church as they had no problem with slavery.
asset (9a3b0c) — 10/18/2024 @ 7:07 pmThe same goes with FEC complaints. They will get to this complaint in an about a decade.
Rip Murdock (e9a37d) — 10/18/2024 @ 7:11 pmRip loves him some corruption as long as it protects the left and their Pravda media.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 10/18/2024 @ 7:13 pmThe only NATO countries that would support that arrangement would be Hungary and Slovakia, the two countries that are the most pro-Russian.
Rip Murdock (e9a37d) — 10/18/2024 @ 7:18 pmIn either case there is no way the government can compel a news organization to publish (or not) information in its possession. For the most part they are protected by the First Amendment.
Sometimes lawsuits are filed for publicity reasons. Shocking, I know. According to some ex-CBS staffers, the network has a very strict editorial policy against substituting answers from one question into the answer of a different question, which seems to have happened here. While it may be true that CBS is under no obligation to publicly release the transcript of VP Harris’s original remarks, more publicity given to this potential embarrassment to the network might leave them with no other alternative.
JVW (d17bc5) — 10/18/2024 @ 7:19 pm@73 Any peckerwood can make an irrelevant point on a blog.
lloyd (fe6708) — 10/18/2024 @ 7:20 pmContent censorship invokes the strictest First Amendment scrutiny, NJRob.
nk (82d58c) — 10/18/2024 @ 7:20 pm@73 Any peckerwood can make an irrelevant point on a blog.
Back at you, liar. It’s not
It’s
in a press release from [can you guess?] Center for American Rights.
nk (82d58c) — 10/18/2024 @ 7:27 pm@83 From the link, liar:
lloyd (fe6708) — 10/18/2024 @ 7:31 pmThe only NATO countries that would support that arrangement would be Hungary and Slovakia. . .
I think you’re misunderstanding my point, probably because I wasn’t very clear in what I was trying to convey: the choice of scenarios to end this war that I would want to see Biden/Harris/Trump and NATO pursue is either Russia leaves Ukraine altogether and Ukraine remains neutral, or else if Russia emerges from this war retaining any Ukrainian territory then Ukraine will be admitted to NATO in order to prevent a recurrence of this. Hungary and Slovakia (and Turkey) would probably oppose this policy, but would Western Europe have the guts to insist upon it? Would the United States just cut Ukraine loose under a President Harris they way it probably would under a President Trump?
JVW (d17bc5) — 10/18/2024 @ 7:31 pmI happen to be a First Amendment absolutist like Elon Musk is, myself. Everybody should have the right to say what I want to hear as long as they subscribe to Starlink and Twitter/X and also buy a Tesla from me.
nk (82d58c) — 10/18/2024 @ 7:34 pmhttps://amgreatness.com/2024/10/17/voters-in-pennsylvania-receive-threatening-letters-warning-there-will-be-consequences-for-supporting-trump/
Which one of you is sending these letters to Trump supporters?
NJRob (eb56c3) — 10/18/2024 @ 7:36 pmIndicting international terrorists is more performance art than a serious attempt to arrest them and bring them to court. An indictment certainly constrains their travel, but obviously they will remain in countries where there are no extradition treaties.
Qatar is too important to US foreign policy to arm twist them, so it is unlikely they will turn over anyone. The US asked Qatar to host the Hamas leadership in 2011, which has provided the terrorist group $30M a month (apparently with the support of the Israelis.) The US was negotiating with the Hamas leadership in Qatar for months seeking release of the hostages, so I doubt the US will press the issue.
It would be a shame if they suddenly had bombs going off in their homes.
Rip Murdock (e9a37d) — 10/18/2024 @ 7:39 pmSend not to know for whom the bell tolls, Rip.
nk (82d58c) — 10/18/2024 @ 7:43 pmWhat “corruption?” What law was broken?
Rip Murdock (8b05ae) — 10/18/2024 @ 7:44 pmYeah, that pesky First Amendment protecting the press, whether it’s Tucker Carlson or CBS.
Rip Murdock (e9a37d) — 10/18/2024 @ 7:45 pmIt’s a nuisance case against CBS, because there’s a First Amendment.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/18/2024 @ 7:51 pmThe “crime” is that CBS didn’t follow their own internal protocols, which aren’t subject to federal law. It just makes them hypocrites, which is no surprise since they still haven’t released the full transcript. It’s about as dumb as Baier’s “mistake” about using the wrong tape.
I doubt either option will happen, but certainly not the second. Putin (and Orban and Slovakian PM Fico are adamant that Ukraine will never join NATO as long as they are in power.
Rip Murdock (e9a37d) — 10/18/2024 @ 7:51 pmIt’s not even a lawsuit (the Center for American Rights wouldn’t have standing to sue), it’s a FCC complaint that done for their own self aggrandizing purposes. This complaint will be buried (if published at all) on the back pages of NYT and WaPo.
Nobody cares (except for a couple of people here).
Rip Murdock (e9a37d) — 10/18/2024 @ 7:58 pmThe FCC will need to take a vote to accept the complaint(it’s not a given), so I think it’s pretty safe to say that it’s not going anywhere.
Rip Murdock (e9a37d) — 10/18/2024 @ 8:00 pmSo much for the Dodgers playoff scoreless innings streak: on Monday the Mets scored 7 runs to defeat the Dodgers 7-3 In game 2; two runs in game 4, losing 10-2; and 12 runs today in game 5 defeating the Dodgers 12-6.
Rip Murdock (e9a37d) — 10/18/2024 @ 9:35 pmTrump is just mad because Zelensky pissed on Trump’s claims about quickly negotiating a settlement.
I don’t think Trump say coming.
Wait a minute- Trump must have had a phone call, or phone calls with Zelensky. I thought Axios saw that as a Logan Act violation when Trump took Putin’s calls.
Next thing you know, Trump will have called the Pudgy Hermit king and told him that his expeditionary force was a very bad, not so good idea.
I blame Biden for being a pitifully weak Executive. Others move in to fill the power vacuum. Xi is probably kicking himself for not pushing even harder in the South China Sea.
steveg (04876c) — 10/18/2024 @ 10:12 pmit is highly likely that Russia would retaliate by sending a few missiles their way;
There is no such thing as a small nuclear war.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/18/2024 @ 11:23 pm@88 Not me I am voting for Jill Stein. The sooner harris and the corporate democrats lose to trump, the sooner the real left takes over the democrat party. But their will be repercussions.
asset (9a3b0c) — 10/19/2024 @ 12:57 amThe bottle deposit crook’s house was attacked with drone ;but he wasn’t there. I wonder if they let it thru so he could garner sympathy?
asset (9a3b0c) — 10/19/2024 @ 1:00 amSleepy Donnie. https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/-exhausted-trump-appears-to-fall-asleep-at-campaign-event-222149701621
Or Donye as he asked to be called after he saw a picture of Bianca Censori (NSFW).
You can vote for anybody you want, asset, but ask yourself, do you really want to see Jill Stein dressed like that?
nk (82d58c) — 10/19/2024 @ 6:02 amAG on Sinwar and Bibi.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/19/2024 @ 6:54 amThe owner of Xitter is playing his own brand of dirty dishonest politics in PA. Trump and Elon have learned well about dirty tricks from their days as Democrats.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/19/2024 @ 7:24 amI didn’t say they would be nuclear missiles. Russia has plenty of non-nuclear and dual use missiles that they have been using against Ukraine:
Rip Murdock (e9a37d) — 10/19/2024 @ 7:34 am104. Honesty is the only thing the rich leave for the poor.
nk (82d58c) — 10/19/2024 @ 8:40 amHere’s a thread on some of the evidence Chutkan released yesterday.
This criminality is yet one more reason why Trump must lose.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/19/2024 @ 8:40 amThe West may think so, but the Russians don’t:
Rip Murdock (706664) — 10/19/2024 @ 8:41 am@107 The evidence is being released now because Election Day is three weeks away — which, if this were an actual trial following the norms of criminal justice, wouldn’t be a consideration. Shorter version: the evidence is being released because Chuktan and Smith are partisan hacks. And, partisan hacks are cheering it on.
As for making a case against the evidence and whether the evidence proves guilt, that’s what trials are for.
lloyd (fe6708) — 10/19/2024 @ 9:18 amOh the irony, that a partisan hack who already prejudiced this proceeding as a “political exercise” is accusing a judge of being a partisan hack.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/19/2024 @ 9:30 amThe “jury pool” argument is irrelevant. If Trump wins, the indictment is canceled. If he loses, justice will be served.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/fbi-quietly-updates-crime-data-to-show-big-jump-in-violence-under-biden-harris-admin-shocking/ar-AA1sogtP
Wow. I remember when people here claimed Trump was lying about the increase in crime when he accurately cited how the data was fudged.
Funny how that works.
NJRob (80922a) — 10/19/2024 @ 9:39 amThank you for conceding McCarthy’s point.
The jury pool is the voters. It’s a political exercise, and you just confirmed it.
lloyd (52ed2e) — 10/19/2024 @ 9:46 amJudges and prosecutors are always doing things criminals don’t like.
nk (82d58c) — 10/19/2024 @ 9:48 amThis complaint will be buried (if published at all) on the back pages of NYT and WaPo.
Uh, Rip, the Trump campaign isn’t trying to appeal to the NYT and WaPo readership here. The political world is way bigger than just those two outlets, despite what those two want you to believe.
JVW (d17bc5) — 10/19/2024 @ 9:56 amNo more cowbell:
Rip Murdock (706664) — 10/19/2024 @ 9:57 amMy point is that, outside of political junkies, this is a non-story. I doubt any major media outlet will cover this story.
Rip Murdock (706664) — 10/19/2024 @ 9:59 amLet’s shed a tear for Mike Nifong.
lloyd (52ed2e) — 10/19/2024 @ 10:00 amThough I’m sure Jim Jordan and James Comer will try to subpoena the transcript.
Rip Murdock (706664) — 10/19/2024 @ 10:04 amThe ultimate inside the Beltway story. Nobody cares.
Rip Murdock (706664) — 10/19/2024 @ 10:10 amRip Murdock (706664) — 10/19/2024 @ 9:57 am
Non-story.
lloyd (52ed2e) — 10/19/2024 @ 10:10 amRip fills this blog with non-stories daily.
lloyd (52ed2e) — 10/19/2024 @ 10:13 amIn you best non-partisan voice, please tell me how much of a non-story it would be if it was Trump instead of Kamala and FOX instead of CBS.
Spare me any misplaced lectures regarding whataboutisms. Just speak honestly.
BuDuh (f216e5) — 10/19/2024 @ 10:18 amhttps://www.foxnews.com/media/chris-rufo-refutes-new-york-times-coverage-kamala-harris-plagiarism-story-lied-omission
Now we know why Biden picked her and the usual suspects run to her defense. Copy Pasta.
NJRob (80922a) — 10/19/2024 @ 10:25 amhttps://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/kamala-harris-plagiarism-allegations-more-serious-than-i-thought-admits-new-york-times-expert/ar-AA1ss8xu
All those interested in honesty ignoring this like it’s nuclear.
NJRob (80922a) — 10/19/2024 @ 10:26 amIn CA they want to put fart collectors on cows- or ban cows entirely because they emit methane.
The “no windows in buildings” again in CA is to make buildings more energy efficient. Most famous is Charlie Munger giving money to UCSB for a windowless dorm
Harris was AG state of CA and then Senator State of CA and it is fair to tie her to the excesses of her party here in CA. She never said “no, this isn’t a good idea”
Trumps message should be: You don’t want to turn the USA into CA. I live here and do not want to inflict our brand of madness on my country
steveg (04876c) — 10/19/2024 @ 10:32 amDelude yourself all you like. The timing of a procedural release of information from a court of law, according to their own rules, is irrelevant. You’re just angry that it’s getting out before an election than after. This wouldn’t have happened in the first place had Trump not taken every single opportunity to delay every trial at every turn.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/19/2024 @ 10:33 amTeam Harris now openly saying they’re going to stoke racial hatred if Trump wins.
https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1847675120929636497
SaveFarris (c77296) — 10/19/2024 @ 10:47 amYou’re still in agreement with McCarthy.
And shame on Trump for defending himself. Listen to yourself dude, next time you rail against “fascists”.
lloyd (52ed2e) — 10/19/2024 @ 10:51 amI didn’t say they would be nuclear missiles.
Firing missiles at France is an attack on NATO. So explain why Russia would turn a limited war for Ukraine into a war between NATO and Russia (which they must lose)?
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/19/2024 @ 11:06 amThe West may think so, but the Russians don’t:
Why shouldn’t THEY believe the US position: One nuclear weapon used against us, and we unload on you.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/19/2024 @ 11:07 amBesides, if Harris loses, Biden will have no choice but to send US troops, along with France and probably Britain.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/19/2024 @ 11:09 amRon DeSantis’s penchant for using the power of the state to coerce private businesses has been on display this month, by having the state Department of Health threaten television stations that run commercials supporting Amendment 4:
A US District Court has now imposed a temporary restraining order against the Department of Health, pointedly saying “it’s the First Amendment, stupid.”
Rip Murdock (706664) — 10/19/2024 @ 11:16 amAnd against Europe-would Trump retaliate? I don’t know.
Rip Murdock (a063f0) — 10/19/2024 @ 11:18 amSo what? Given Trump’s antipathy towards NATO, I think the Russians would assume (correctly) that a Trump administration wouldn’t invoke Article V-the US would probably sit it out.
Rip Murdock (706664) — 10/19/2024 @ 11:23 amI’m sure the Russians believe that, but whether we would do the same if the Russians attacked Europe (or China attacks Taiwan) is an open question. Just because we have a treaty saying we will doesn’t make it so.
Rip Murdock (706664) — 10/19/2024 @ 11:27 amWishful thinking.
Rip Murdock (706664) — 10/19/2024 @ 11:28 amKevin M (a9545f) — 10/19/2024 @ 11:09 am
Trump would just order the troops out on day one.
Rip Murdock (706664) — 10/19/2024 @ 11:33 amThere is no doubt in my mind that Rip has a sex doll that is named Kevin. What an obsession.
BuDuh (f216e5) — 10/19/2024 @ 11:42 amSays the person who continually posts from The Babylon Bee.
Rip Murdock (706664) — 10/19/2024 @ 11:50 amI remember when everyone was up in arms about Trump leaving the Kurds high and dry but noticed that in 2024, we are still in Irbil, Kurdistan Iraq and in Rojava, Kurdish region Syria (this one still gets regularly shelled by the Turks)
We had to disengage from the PKK which was regularly attacking NATO ally Turkey. The Kurds needed to isolate and control the PKK element to stop antagonizing the Turks, but were not going to do so until we took serious measures.
steveg (04876c) — 10/19/2024 @ 12:12 pmAll that said, in the end we shuffled the deck around and kept a presence. The Kurds learned they have to control their own or we will have to leave. Sometime you have to be tough to change the status quo- and in military tough love, people frequently suffer and die- there is really no way around it. I feel for people caught up in it, but the Kurds leadership seems to have taken the lesson.
For the record, I would not lose any sleep if Turkey left NATO (once we remove the US nukes we have pre-positioned at Incirlik under “nuclear sharing” agreements)
Speaking of non-stories… as suspected, the “FEMA threatened by armed militia because Trump!!!1!” fizzled out, though you may not have heard.
Arrest made after threat to FEMA in North Carolina as hurricane relief operations continue
Another example of the outrage appearing on page 1 above the fold, and the correction appearing on page C32 if at all.
lloyd (f5d1ec) — 10/19/2024 @ 12:47 pmDemocrats Wondering If It’s Too Late To Go Back To Joe Biden.
lloyd (f5d1ec) — 10/19/2024 @ 12:48 pmNever forget this website reported this story as a FACT that was a direct result of others spreading disinformation when it turns out they themselves were actually guilty.
SaveFarris (534f22) — 10/19/2024 @ 12:55 pm@127
And you’re delusional for ignoring the fact that this is not normal procedure.
If fact, why don’t we ask our very own host if he has ever done something like this in his practice?
So Trump doesn’t deserve a defense…is that your position?
whembly (45bb01) — 10/19/2024 @ 12:57 pm@132
How you figure that?
whembly (45bb01) — 10/19/2024 @ 12:58 pmYou’re still trying to put words in my mouth, which is bad faith. The Trump can mount every defense he wants, it don’t mean the courts won’t stop continuing the case.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/19/2024 @ 1:09 pmThe mental sickness known as Nevertrump.
Trump Headstone in Central Park: Mystery Solved
lloyd (f5d1ec) — 10/19/2024 @ 1:14 pmI didn’t say that, did I? The point is that the timing is a function of all of Trump’s attempted delays. You shouldn’t be complaining, because his legal obfuscations have been effective, given there’s only been one trial before election day.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/19/2024 @ 1:15 pmTrump would just order the troops out on day one.
Perhaps. Of course, the French would call him a “surrender money.” The House might vote to impeach.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/19/2024 @ 1:23 pmthe threat turned out to be less serious than first feared.
A lesson in how propaganda is walked back after it gets the useful idiots marching.
If only Trump would learn that trick.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/19/2024 @ 1:26 pmNot every judge can be Aileen from Medellin.
nk (82d58c) — 10/19/2024 @ 1:29 pmDemocrats Wondering If It’s Too Late To Go Back To Joe Biden.
Republicans wondering if it’s too late to go back to Mitt Romney, or someone else younger than Trump.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/19/2024 @ 1:29 pmHow you figure that?
Because the survival of Ukraine is, in Biden’s opinion, critical to avoiding a major European war. Better to fight in Donbas than Flanders.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/19/2024 @ 1:31 pmGood news. The US skimmed the interest from frozen Russian assets and is sending it over to Ukraine.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/19/2024 @ 1:38 pmSo what. We’ve seen what happens when the House impeaches without a chance in heaven of a conviction.
Nothing.
Rip Murdock (706664) — 10/19/2024 @ 1:46 pmBiden is all in on survival of Ukraine although the preferred “survival mode” seems to be gelded, but alert.
Its better than nothing, but never enough to stop the slow grinding momentum of the glacier
steveg (04876c) — 10/19/2024 @ 1:47 pmOld News. In June the US had only skimmed 5 billion. Maybe by the time Paul’s good news went to press Biden had put the skimmed interest into a Pelosi investment to quadruple the haul in four months. This was while Biden was still sharp as a tack, so it is entirely plausible.
I imagine the discrepancy is a non-story, so please carry on.
BuDuh (f216e5) — 10/19/2024 @ 2:01 pmBiden’s multi-decade streak of being wrong about every single foreign policy issue continues unabated.
The great, fearsome Russian army has been stuck in the mire for 2 years now. What makes you think the have the will or capability to march roughshod over Europe?
SaveFarris (534f22) — 10/19/2024 @ 2:08 pmLizzo campaigning with Kamala: “I’m so proud to be from this city, you know they say if Kamala wins then the whole country will be like Detroit.”
I co-sign. You go, Lizzo!!
lloyd (f5d1ec) — 10/19/2024 @ 2:44 pmLet’s help the Loser out. His playlist is dated, incoherent, and unsuited to an American politician. So, let’s help him out with some suggestions.
Here are three to get us started: America the Beautiful, The opening of Beethoven’s 5th, and this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPd6hPyZa3M
Which may surprise most of you. But I think it would have been good advice for him, long ago.
Assume, for the sake of argument, that there are no legal obstacles to the choices.
Jim Miller (259983) — 10/19/2024 @ 2:45 pm“I’m so proud to be from this city, you know they say if Kamala wins then the whole country will be like Detroit.”
The campaign commercials absolutely write themselves, don’t they?
JVW (d17bc5) — 10/19/2024 @ 2:58 pmDo you play that while ogling Kari Lake’s hair?
BuDuh (f216e5) — 10/19/2024 @ 3:04 pmIt was a campaign event that lasted less than 9 minutes.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?539369-1/vice-president-harris-campaigns-detroit
Jim, do you have any songs for this pathetic display?
BuDuh (f216e5) — 10/19/2024 @ 3:12 pmFor Jim’s updated list:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_6VcjgbLRs
Oh…
BuDuh (f216e5) — 10/19/2024 @ 3:21 pm@143 looks like AOC will still be the first woman president. All the corporate democrats have is abortion and it looks like just not enough as trump “says” he will veto national abortion ban. If he doesn’t democrat base will demand and vote for candidates who echo Malcolm X “By any means necessary!” The corporate establishment democrats and their donor class will not be able to hold the center of the democrat party from being taken over by the left. Appealing to moderate republicans loses votes to Jill Stein. Polls are not moving. Tied which favors trump. Over at DU they are now attacking pollsters.
asset (4cdd3e) — 10/19/2024 @ 3:30 pm161. Pearls before swine, Jim. “I’m My Own Grandpa” is their anthem.
nk (82d58c) — 10/19/2024 @ 4:35 pmAP’s neutral reporting on Detroit Schlock City:
WOWZA!!!!
I guess this is what a non-“non-story” looks like! Big news!
BuDuh (4214e4) — 10/19/2024 @ 4:41 pmBetter Detroit than Dachau.
nk (82d58c) — 10/19/2024 @ 4:51 pm#170 Harris agrees that Israel committing genocide is real
https://nypost.com/2024/10/19/us-news/kamala-harris-publicly-agrees-with-protestor-accusing-israel-of-genocide-what-hes-talking-about-its-real/
steveg (04876c) — 10/19/2024 @ 5:22 pmHarris could have ignored the question, changed the subject to Trump like she does in interviews, but she chose to answer in the affirmative.
steveg (04876c) — 10/19/2024 @ 5:44 pmA sure sign of dementia is when the filter disappears. For example, Donnie’s “golf” story about Arnold Palmer’s d-ck.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/19/2024 @ 6:07 pmWell, I have to say “Donnie” never has been shown to have a filter, so I don’t think its dementia
steveg (04876c) — 10/19/2024 @ 6:09 pmAs long as we are speculating-
Did Harris leak this?
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-825249
“Senior American officials voiced serious concern on Saturday following the leak of two US intelligence documents allegedly outlining Israel’s preparations for a potential strike on Iran. These documents were published by a Telegram account linked to Iran.
steveg (04876c) — 10/19/2024 @ 6:10 pmWhile both the US Department of Defense and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence declined to comment on the leaked documents, they did not deny their authenticity.”
Yeah, she needs to be more alert to paid actors from Trump and Musk heckling her in order to elicit some brief response that the Murdoch organs can spin.
In any case, I doubt that she will ever reach Trump’s “They’re not human. They’re animals”.
nk (82d58c) — 10/19/2024 @ 6:11 pmUS intelligence documents outlining Israel’s potential attack plan on Iran leaked – report
This is the administration Paul said: “I could see myself crossing that Rubicon of voting for Biden” if he happened to live in his choice of swing states.
Sad.
BuDuh (4214e4) — 10/19/2024 @ 6:16 pmSnopes:
Derp.
BuDuh (4214e4) — 10/19/2024 @ 6:24 pmThis is a lie, nk. You are repeating the lie. You are a liar.
All you had to do is actually read your link a few paragraphs in.
He was speaking specifically about the illegals who rape and murder. Listen to the audio in full. And guess what, nk, they are animals. Or, what would you call them?
lloyd (710e43) — 10/19/2024 @ 6:29 pm@178 Yes, thanks BuDuh.
Paul repeated this exact lie months ago, and he was called out on it. Now nk is in on the act.
lloyd (710e43) — 10/19/2024 @ 6:31 pmIt is all they have left in the tank.
BuDuh (4214e4) — 10/19/2024 @ 6:36 pmFor people who do not think that they have enough reasons to vote for Harris:
nk (8cf0a1) — 10/19/2024 @ 6:39 pmElon Musk suggests he’ll be thrown in prison if Harris beats Trump :‘If he loses, I’m f—ed!’
Ride that painted pony, let the spinning wheel turn. Yeah, sure, Bugsy made it clear that he was only talking about rapists and murderers. Not.
nk (8cf0a1) — 10/19/2024 @ 6:45 pmDemocrat party’s dilemma. Black and latinx men turning away because they want polluting industrial jobs and oppose being lectured to by liberal democrat women. Everyone else in coalition except unions want to get rid of polluting industrial jobs and if you can’t nag for the nanny state wants the point of being a liberal? (I am a radical with other goals.)
asset (e8deb3) — 10/19/2024 @ 7:36 pmThe irony, defending a serial habitual liar and confirmed fraud. Down is up.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/19/2024 @ 9:24 pmMy plan for a Dodgers-Yankees series proceeds.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/19/2024 @ 9:48 pmUS intelligence documents outlining Israel’s potential attack plan on Iran leaked – report
Lst week:
US attempts to leak Israeli attack plans, but is hampered in that Israel isn’t sharing them.
https://patterico.com/2024/10/11/weekend-open-thread-247/#comment-2818491
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/19/2024 @ 9:50 pmArrests imminent, right?
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/19/2024 @ 9:57 pmBTW, Drudge has edged over into Democrat Underground territory. It makes the WaPo look like Trump boosters.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/19/2024 @ 10:49 pmVatnik Soup…
And just like Putin and his pet oligarchs, Trump got one, too.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/19/2024 @ 11:09 pmDemocrat voters in Georgia getting text messages that early voting is over. DU/abc
asset (e8deb3) — 10/20/2024 @ 2:34 amI wonder. Will they even try to spin the Arnold Palmer homo-erotica? Or have they decided that nothing they do will either gain them or lose them a vote and what they should do is all they can to suppress potential Harris votes by hook and by crook?
nk (8d2fcf) — 10/20/2024 @ 4:47 amCan’t get Arnold Palmer off your mind, nk? To each their own.
BuDuh (4214e4) — 10/20/2024 @ 5:42 amThat all you got? Lame. dude!
nk (8d2fcf) — 10/20/2024 @ 5:45 amThat is all you are worth.
BuDuh (4214e4) — 10/20/2024 @ 5:50 amIt does answer my question at 192. No spin, but 42nd Street meets Bubba’s Bar and Barbecue. Insults and taunts. Just like their orange special needs six-year old.
nk (8d2fcf) — 10/20/2024 @ 5:58 amThe last thing that nk like are insults. None of his comments are ever chock full of insults.
LOL.
BuDuh (4214e4) — 10/20/2024 @ 6:09 am@196
You upset that no one is giving you any cookies?
whembly (003ea2) — 10/20/2024 @ 6:18 amAnd that, folks, is what passes for erudition in the MAGA sty.
Trump’s strength has always been that most people are too fastidious to address his dirt.
Not me. I have walked dogs and cleaned up after them, and cleaned the poop of the neighbors’ dogs off my lawn and hosed it off my sidewalk.
And among other things I noticed that if you don’t clean it up right away, the next day it will be crawling with maggots.
nk (8d2fcf) — 10/20/2024 @ 6:43 amBut lemme ax you something else.
How many votes will Elon X’s 1M a day giveaway cost Trump and gain Harris?
Because I don’t see the hearts of those who signed his “petitions” because of the giveaway overflowing with goodwill if they are not the lucky one who won the drawing.
nk (8d2fcf) — 10/20/2024 @ 6:58 am@200
Yeah, about that… how isn’t that illegal?
It’s gotta be… right?
whembly (003ea2) — 10/20/2024 @ 7:09 am@199
Oh now you have something to say…
k… nk…
Politics isn’t akin to walking the dog and cleaning up after it.
Politics is about hard choices and picking “a side”. Voting for A, or B, or C or abstaining are all choices.
whembly (003ea2) — 10/20/2024 @ 7:12 amAccording to Rick Hasen, it is. It’s not clear to me why paying petition signers, who the promoters require be registered voters, is legally the same as paying them to register, which by itself would be illegal. But Hasen knows this stuff a lot better than I do, so I’d be surprised if he hasn’t thought that through. If he has, I hope he’ll explain it, because I don’t see the explanation in his post.
lurker (c23034) — 10/20/2024 @ 7:27 amFrom lurker’s link:
From the link within lurker’s link[emphasis mine]:
I read this section to be as the title of the section lays out. This is intended to penalize would be voters from using “false information.” I believe the payment language refers to something like a registrar accepting money to do something illegal.
Hasen is smart enough to have not left the title of the section out of his quote unless he thought it did damage to his claim. I do give him credit for including the link. Way more than Klink would ever do.
BuDuh (4214e4) — 10/20/2024 @ 8:01 amMe: This election cannot get any stranger.
Trump: Hold my beer.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/20/2024 @ 9:10 amPolitics is about pretty much everything.
nk’s rarely gone into detail about his professional history, but it’s clear to me he thinks even then most serious criminal defendant is entitled to a dignified, public, fair justice process. We do undermine that when we say they are less than human. We all fall short and think the worst of certain bad guys at times, but the process shouldn’t, and Trump’s comments are just another example of the decline he represents in the GOP.
Choosing to say the choices we have are acceptable is itself a choice. None of the choices are acceptable. That’s by design. The more organized nevertrumpers got rich and wanted trump to be the nominee. They do not mind leaving me with a choice like we’ve had for the past three elections. They see the opportunity for compromise and for an effective GOP, and they invest millions, tens of millions, perhaps hundreds of millions, forcing that option to fail.
I have every right to reject the GOP. I have every right to see the trick, that by forcing the worst choices, both sides just whatabout away their faults, and I wind up paying more and having less. Wealth is concentrating, the world is falling apart (leading to opportunities and disruptions) and those who work hard and save their money and build a family pay. They paid so much, lost so much wealth and freedom, during Trump’s last presidency. They lose so much under Kamalas, intentionally displaced and their work devalued by illegal immigration and crime.
The point is to learn the lesson. This election doesn’t matter. It’s the least important of my lifetime. Kamala donor vs Kamala. The politics, the real action, is in the GOP primary in 2028. If the nevertrumpers, not the organized, but the normals, recognize the need to build a bridge, the niche is there to make a better country.
Dustin (4b502c) — 10/20/2024 @ 9:38 amUnless the defendant’s name is Orange Man.
BuDuh (4214e4) — 10/20/2024 @ 9:56 amDustin may be right. Our political choices are certainly degrading, and maybe it’s because it’s less meaningful. More decisions are taken by a seemingly permanent bureaucracy, largely immune to political control. Congress can’t pass laws; they passed that responsibility to the bureaucrats long ago and the Supreme Court struck down their only check. The executive can issue orders, but the next executive just issues different orders. The corporations accrue power in the vacuum.
In Europe, the EU has become a fully bureaucratic state, with national governments increasingly subservient to its interlocking institutions. Britain escaped, but has its own nomenklatura.
Is our choice of the future Big Brother versus Rollerball?
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/20/2024 @ 9:59 amIt can, but just lacks the will to do so.
Rip Murdock (706664) — 10/20/2024 @ 10:28 amThis isn’t better than his admiration of Arnold Palmer’s penis, the doubling down of his debunked Springfield OH lies.
This was also debunked, BTW. He’s categorically mentally unfit.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/20/2024 @ 10:38 amSo Paul’s key words in his aggregation feeds are Trump, penis, and goose?
I guess that is what you do with your spare time when you hide behind the electoral skirt.
BuDuh (4214e4) — 10/20/2024 @ 10:49 amPaul, I frequent Forbes YouTube channel. They seem pretty current on videos of both sides. I would not think that a balanced site would make it to your home built aggregator. But maybe this one video made it through your algorithm gauntlet:
Jake Tapper’s State Of The Groin
Quality stuff.
BuDuh (4214e4) — 10/20/2024 @ 11:04 amI didn’t need another reason to reject Biden, who was obviously not going to be the candidate this year, but his comments that physical violence against Trump were justified is along the lines of your complaint that Trump’s critics do not treat him consistently to their values. If nk used some hyperbole to that effect, I didn’t see it, but I wouldn’t say that’s quite the same thing. Trump facing criminal charges at all is such a severe change of pace, and it isn’t something anyone should be thrilled about in the largest sense (though that’s not to say justice shouldn’t be served).
But I couldn’t see any moral difference between the loudest Trump critic and the worst Jan 6 participant. Both despised the election process and democracy.
Dustin (4b502c) — 10/20/2024 @ 11:06 amI like your thoughts earlier and here, Dustin.
I reflexively agree with Trump calling the gang murderers “animals” for personal reasons I will not be sharing, so that probably bleeds into my defense of him and his hyperbole. I do not believe that nk has the moral compass you are suggesting. It isn’t hyperbole I see with nk as much as it is spite and anger.
But the internet is a tough room to read a crowd, right?
BuDuh (f216e5) — 10/20/2024 @ 11:20 am> Elon Musk suggests he’ll be thrown in prison if Harris beats Trump :‘If he loses, I’m f—ed!’
His clear violation of election law should result in fines at the very least, although it’s hard to imagine how fines could actually deter him.
aphrael (ee876f) — 10/20/2024 @ 11:30 am> Our examination of the full-speech video showed the literal context that Trump’s “animals” comment specifically referenced migrants entering the U.S. illegally and who also later faced murder charges.
One issue I have here is that Trump is clearly using rhetoric in a way that implies that his criticism of specific illegal immigrants applies to all illegal immigrants.
Using a different example:
> They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people
This language taken as a whole says that a small number of illegal immirgants *might* be good people but that the overwhelming majority are bad people with problems.
What he’s saying now has to be understood in conjunction with what he’s said before, and doing so paints the picture that he’s clearly trying to use language that conveys the “illegal immigrants are animals” message in a way that has the barest minimum of a fig leaf on which he can hang the proposition that he’s only talking about some of them.
Another issue I have is this: *any time* we refer to human beings as animals, we are dehumanizing them in a way that makes it easier to treat them inhumanely. It’s a rhetorical usage we should all be on guard against and work to avoid, even if it’s appealing not to.
aphrael (ee876f) — 10/20/2024 @ 11:34 amRemarks by President Biden at a Campaign Reception:
Remarks by President Biden at a Campaign Reception
Do tell…
BuDuh (4214e4) — 10/20/2024 @ 11:40 amNikki Haley, who once questioned Trump’s mental fitness to be President when he confused her with Nancy Pelosi, is now negotiating a joint appearance with him as if a one-off campaign appearance will close his polling gender gap with women. This is despite being called by Trump a “birdbrain” and insinuating she had multiple affairs while her husband was deployed overseas.
Trump was right when he said in 2021 that Haley “criticizes me, (then) she uncriticizes me about 15 minutes later……”
Rip Murdock (dc18a3) — 10/20/2024 @ 11:41 amRemarks by President Biden at a Campaign Reception:
So I guess it’s fair to say that Biden thinks Palestinians are animals?
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/20/2024 @ 11:50 amHis clear violation of election law should result in fines at the very least
He’s bribing people to sign a petition, not to register to vote. If they do register to become eligible for the bribe, that’s on them. And no money changes hands anyway. All they get is a lottery ticket, of no real value.
It’s like offering a chicken dinner while “suggesting” that people vote for you, or bussing homeless people to the polls where they same-day register.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/20/2024 @ 11:55 amSorry about the creeping italics.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/20/2024 @ 11:55 amMusk’s support of Trump has already cost SpaceX launch approval in California (several Coastal Commissioners said so) and, no doubt coincidentally, Tesla is suddenly under investigation. Even though I have had long-standing issues with Tesla’s full self-driving crap, it wasn’t a problem with the feds until he endorsed Trump.
It’s like the city street maintenance crew setting up their jackhammers outside the mayor’s challenger’s HQ. Just happened doesn’t wash.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/20/2024 @ 12:01 pmBut I couldn’t see any moral difference between the loudest Trump critic and the worst Jan 6 participant.
If Trump wins the election, #NeverTrump will try to inaugurate Harris anyway. To save democracy.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/20/2024 @ 12:03 pmI wonder, though, if Trump wins, can he be impeached and convicted before he takes office? His crazy is starting to be worrisome.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/20/2024 @ 12:11 pm@220
It’s a technicality for sure, but still makes me uneasy.
I feel the same way about Zuckerbucks too.
whembly (003ea2) — 10/20/2024 @ 12:22 pm@224
I don’t see why not.
whembly (003ea2) — 10/20/2024 @ 12:22 pmPresumably not, since he would only be the President-Elect, not having taken the oath of office. Also, why would the Speaker Mike Johnson (who worked on Trump’s impeachment defense team the last time around) call the House back into session to do so? And there would be no chance for the Senate to hold a trial, since they are out of session also (and there isn’t 2/3 that would vote to convict anyway).
Rip Murdock (dc18a3) — 10/20/2024 @ 12:42 pmLOL!😂🤣🤣🤣🤣 That’s about as likely as impeaching Trump before he is sworn in as President, which is to say not at all.
You’re really letting your imagination run away.
Rip Murdock (dc18a3) — 10/20/2024 @ 12:47 pmTalk about something that would resemble a coup and a justification for a civil war.
Rip Murdock (dc18a3) — 10/20/2024 @ 1:11 pmExactly.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/20/2024 @ 1:13 pmExactly.
BuDuh (4214e4) — 10/20/2024 @ 1:16 pmHe’s talking out of both sides of his mouth, as usual..
I haven’t read anything about him trying to help negotiate a surrender.
Instead, he’s focusing on postwar arrangements in Gaza, trying to get the UAE to take over.
Maybe he’s leaving the how we get to that point bit up to Netanyahu.
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 10/20/2024 @ 1:27 pm@216
Shorter aphrael: “Don’t believe your lying ears.”
lloyd (943991) — 10/20/2024 @ 1:31 pmYes, he can, Mitch McConnell’s objections notwithstanding, but if Republicans in Congress felt that way, they would have signed up for that at the beginning of 2023,
Doing it now would make JD Vance president if Trump gets a majority of the Electoral vote,
I don;t understand how people don’t see that there is likely to be more trouble if Trump loses than if he wins.
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 10/20/2024 @ 1:33 pmMore bogus equivalency. The loudest Trump critic didn’t participate in an insurrection and isn’t behind bars for assaulting law enforcement, and wasn’t a gullible fool who fell for a Big Lie by a Big Fraud.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/20/2024 @ 1:34 pmWhat percentage of people that voted for Trump in 2020 has the DOJ identified and prosecuted?
I’ll help you out with one of the numbers: 74,223,975
BuDuh (f216e5) — 10/20/2024 @ 1:45 pmaphrael (ee876f) — 10/20/2024 @ 11:34 am
Abd the exact opposite is the case.
By the way, you won’t catch any Democrat criticizing him ior this, They’ll call him a fascist or a racist but their approach to illegal immigration is basically “Me too,” and “Trump is a hypocrite because he stopped a bill” to which the rebuttal is” The bill was no good, it legalized illegal immigration, and it didn’t give a president any more power, which is proven by Biden issuing an executive order that was stronger than the bill.”
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 10/20/2024 @ 1:46 pmUnder what section of the Constitution? The impeachment clause only refers to “the President”, not the “the President-Elect.”
Whatever Mitch McConnell says is irrelevant. But again, Speaker Johnson would never allow it to come up for a vote.
Rip Murdock (dc18a3) — 10/20/2024 @ 1:49 pmCurious, that Trump said “no” to 60 Minutes but “yes” to Bonesaw Salman.
The question still remains…how much did the Saudi-owned LIV Tour pay Trump to host multiple professional golf events.
A little more here. There are around 3½ Arab Americans in the US, although I don’t know how many are Muslims. Most, I’d think, but I know several Lebanese Arab Christians. By comparison, there are 7½ million Jews in the US, and Trump has already insulted them enough, so maybe he decided to pander to the Arabs instead.
Although Kamala is trying to straddle her appeal, but it isn’t going very well as Arab Americans don’t like how Biden-Harris stood by Israel and their war against Hamas.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/20/2024 @ 1:50 pmWSJ story headline:
https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/trump-says-migrants-who-kill-americans-should-get-death-penalty-would-deport-venezuelan-gang-4b490a50
What about migrants who kill other migrants? Or American citizens who kill illegal aliens?
Not even the Ku Klux Klan would dare to advocate singling out murderers for different treatment according to background.
By the way.’David Duke has endorsed Jill Stein, (I think because of her position on the Middle East war)
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 10/20/2024 @ 1:55 pmThe US isn’t the only place where Russia is meddling in an election. They’re pulling out the stops in Moldova.
Putin doesn’t want incumbent Sandu, who is pro-EU.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/20/2024 @ 1:58 pmUnder what section of the Constitution? The impeachment clause only refers to “the President”, not the “the President-Elect.”
It says nothing of the sort.
Later it says:
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
Given that the penalties include a disqualification for future office-holding, it seems reasonable that President-Elect could be tired.
Scenario: A President-Elect says “The first thing I’ll do is launch all our missiles at China.” Are you saying that we must wait until he does so?
Franklin observed that “impeachment” was better than assassination, which was the alternative.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/20/2024 @ 1:58 pmMore creeping italics.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/20/2024 @ 1:59 pmNot even the Ku Klux Klan would dare to advocate singling out murderers for different treatment according to background.
Hunh?!? They did exactly that in every case where a white man was charged with killing a black, or vice versa.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/20/2024 @ 2:00 pmCountries surrender; terrorist groups don’t. Despite millions of dollars spent to “defeat” Al Qaeda and ISIS, they still exist and are fighting. Hamas will never surrender in the West’s meaning of the word, they will go underground and continue to oppose Israel, as well as whatever entity takes over Gaza.
Rip Murdock (dc18a3) — 10/20/2024 @ 2:01 pmLots of whatabouts.
How many angels on the head of a pin?
Your trying to distract from what he said and complaining about what he didn’t say.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 10/20/2024 @ 2:13 pmCan you imagine a world where a president elect was impeached before taking the oath of office?
Joe (584b3d) — 10/20/2024 @ 2:22 pmAssuming this failed, would impeachment ever be seen as a serious thing ever again?
https://justthenews.com/accountability/political-ethics/hkdadam-schiffs-primary-residence-claims-mortgage-election
We will now see if there are any Adam Schiff lovers in the crowd.
I pray someone attacks the messenger. Hopefully the closet Zerohedge fans get over themselves and just read this for content.
BuDuh (4214e4) — 10/20/2024 @ 2:27 pmThanks for proving my point about the fact that the (pseudo) position of “President-Elect” (a position without constitutional authority) doesn’t appear in your quote, nor the subsequent clause that lists those officers who are actually subject to impeachment.
Assumptions don’t make constitutional law, if it were true that the President-Elect could be impeached, then the founders would have included it in Article II Sec. 4.
Why do you think your scenario is a bad thing? Seriously, there would be nothing one could do at that time, but I also don’t think he would be impeached for it. The Constitution gives the President wide latitude to use the armed forces as he sees fit to protect national security and conduct foreign affairs.
Isn’t it the left that finds rights and powers in the Constitution where none exist?
Rip Murdock (dc18a3) — 10/20/2024 @ 2:32 pmhttps://x.com/margommartin/status/1848073834475229510
I agree with her.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 10/20/2024 @ 2:37 pmClassic astroturf, because the restaurant was closed, and the customers were all fake.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/20/2024 @ 2:59 pmIt epitomizes the fraud that Trump truly is.
#248
steveg (04876c) — 10/20/2024 @ 2:59 pmNot a fan of Trump or Schiff being prosecuted for his mortgage statements, primarily because no one was hurt, its done all the time. But Schiff is a big fat hypocrite.
I think Schiff should be investigated for tax fraud and if he committed tax fraud, should be made an example of.
He will still be in the Senate in 2025 regardless.
Schiff is a classic “lie in opening statement overview of the case” prosecutor. During the impeachment proceedings they called it “overpromising in the opening statement”. Schiff already had the votes before he started, so could lie to his hearts content- thats not true- if Schiff were to lie to his hearts content, he’d still be on the House floor talking.
Paul-
I think both candidates do quite a bit of this staged event type of thing these days.
It epitomizes what frauds we are choosing to run. (Harris is a fraud- Her “I worked at a McDonalds was a lie”)
My opinion is that in this century, it all went to hell with the Kerry/Edwards ticket. Two of the biggest phonies to ever draw breath in DC. Obama had a huge amount of Hollywood staging- I do see Obama as “a fraud” but he was a willing participant
John McCain and Mitt Romney failed at the staging attempts by their staff. Those two could have been genuine, or else they were just bunglers- hard to tell.
Trump comes from a TV “reality” show that was less than real, so I would assume he’s following Hollywood instincts.
Its the modern game of politics. The Democrats even sent Hollywood people to Israel to use their branding to interfere in those elections.
I hate it and wish it a quick end, but it is probably here to stay know.
steveg (04876c) — 10/20/2024 @ 3:30 pmTrump has often called his political opponents “communist Marxist fascist thugs and maniacs,” as well as “vermin, scum, animals, garbage, evil, sick, demonic, the enemy of the people, the enemy within,” and I’m probably forgetting some of his epithets.
Evidently, Trump defenders are not offended by that language, but instead regard it as an expression of deep, unrivaled patriotism.
Then a historian notes that his dehumanizing terminology for Americans who disagree with him is unprecedented in U.S. politics, but it closely resembles the language used by brutal dictators, whether communist or fascist. IOW, he talks the way actual fascists talked. (He also explicitly demanded license to violate law without penalty, and he demands absolute personal fealty.)
Then the delicate sensibilities of Trumpers are gravely offended: “You’re calling him a fascist! That’s eliminationist rhetoric! You’re trying to get him killed!”
The grotesque double standard is obvious – even aside from the dishonesty about the actual facts of the assassination attempts, especially in the first case. The fact that someone was arrested for a plot against Harris apparently merits no mention – but she didn’t try to fundraise off it, nor have Democrats used it to demand that Republicans stop saying bad things about her.
The initial decision to embrace Trump and exempt him for any ethical standards beyond “being Trump” has made hypocrisy and cynicism the core values of what used to be conservatism.
Radegunda (ddd71b) — 10/20/2024 @ 3:51 pmWell, that’s a moronic take. Your evidence is that…Trump claimed it. A person who has yet to state a true thing this year, and only twice in 80. Not having records of a summer job at a local franchise in 1983 is the default situation. Do you have records of your college job in 1983, do you remember how records were kept in 1983?
Trump’s interaction with customers…commercial…fake
1-8 Americans, their reasoning for opening it up, proves the point that Harris probably did, and why Trump would use this “low class” job as a prop.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/20/2024 @ 4:07 pmComparing the plot against Harris, which amounted to words posted, to two actual attempts on Trump’s life with actual guns where one person was killed, two seriously injured, and Trump hit with a bullet one inch away from being fatal, is the sort of ridiculous comparison typical of Nevertrump’s abusive relationship with reality.
lloyd (e83504) — 10/20/2024 @ 4:09 pmhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3LGoTQmpEo
BuDuh (4214e4) — 10/20/2024 @ 4:12 pmSchiff’s “parody” of the Trump call showed the type of person he is.
I found that to be offensive.
“Just the facts ma’am- I mean sir”
I also think- given Schiff’s body of work- that there is a greater than 50% chance he lied about the details on meeting/speaking to/coaching the whistleblower before sending the whistleblower to the IG. Why? Because Schiff first said he’d spoken to and heard from the whistleblower, then tried to walk it back and the media let him.
The other thing I don’t like about Schiff is that he is known as a prodigious leaker- snitch, if I may use parody in the description of him
steveg (04876c) — 10/20/2024 @ 4:16 pmHmm.
Well one candidate has almost been assassinated twice.
Some things are not like the other.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 10/20/2024 @ 4:20 pmCan’t tell who jumps to the defense of Kamala’s lies faster: Klink or Paul.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 10/20/2024 @ 4:22 pmIt’s only what a “true conservative” would do.
Stunt or not, this is a lot of people lining the street in a swing state that has a lot of Electoral College votes
steveg (04876c) — 10/20/2024 @ 4:33 pmI have no doubt, steve. It’s the heat of a political campaign where everything is staged. The “customers” in that restaurant were vetted-by-the-Secret-Service Trump supporters, so “Mr. President, please don’t let the United States become Brazil!” was photo-op choreography.
I don’t know if Kamala worked at MickeyDs or not. Kamala hasn’t proved she did and Trumpists can’t prove she didn’t. Unlike with Trump, I’m not at the stage where I presume everything she says is false until proven true, so I’m neutral on it, but that could change. It almost feels like a replay of the Obama birth certificate.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/20/2024 @ 4:34 pmRob, your problem is you can’t prove the lie. I guess that what happens when you’re afflicted with Partisan Brain.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/20/2024 @ 4:36 pmStunt or not, this is a lot of people lining the street in a swing state that has a lot of Electoral College votes
Trump bused them in through SAG-AFTRA (Screen Actors Guild – American Federation of Television and Radio Artists).
And there had better be a Trump-friendly city administration for the restaurant’s sake, because the stunt violated sanitation and food service codes.
nk (1db569) — 10/20/2024 @ 4:41 pmSomething Schiff should be asked about:
I guess if it was Palmer’s pics, it would’ve been a bigger story.
lloyd (c89439) — 10/20/2024 @ 4:41 pmThey’re saying there’re a couple new menu items at the Feasterville McDonalds, The McGirdle and the Filet O’Fascist. Ba-da-ba-ba-ba.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/20/2024 @ 4:48 pmThe lawyer gave Donald Trump a note, written in Trump’s own handwriting. He asked Trump to read it aloud.
Trump may not have realized it yet, but he had walked into a trap.
“Peter, you’re a real loser,” Trump began reading.
The mogul had sent the note to a reporter, objecting to a story that said Trump owned a “small minority stake” in a Manhattan real estate project. Trump insisted that the word “small” was incorrect. Trump continued reading: “I wrote, ‘Is 50 percent small?’ ”
“This [note] was intended to indicate that you had a 50 percent stake in the project, correct?” said the lawyer.
“That’s correct,” Trump said.
For the first of many times that day, Trump was about to be caught saying something that wasn’t true.
.LAWYER: Mr. Trump, do you own 30 percent or 50 percent of the limited partnership?TRUMP: I own 30 percent.
It was a mid-December morning in 2007 — the start of an interrogation unlike anything else in the public record of Trump’s life.
Trump had brought it on himself. He had sued a reporter, accusing him of being reckless and dishonest in a book that raised questions about Trump’s net worth. The reporter’s attorneys turned the tables and brought Trump in for a deposition.
For two straight days, they asked Trump question after question that touched on the same theme: Trump’s honesty.
The lawyers confronted the mogul with his past statements — and with his company’s internal documents, which often showed those statements had been incorrect or invented. The lawyers were relentless. Trump, the bigger-than-life mogul, was vulnerable — cornered, out-prepared and under oath.
Thirty times, they caught him.
Trump had misstated sales at his condo buildings. Inflated the price of membership at one of his golf clubs. Overstated the depth of his past debts and the number of his employees.
That deposition — 170 transcribed pages — offers extraordinary insights into Trump’s relationship with the truth. Trump’s falsehoods were unstrategic — needless, highly specific, easy to disprove. When caught, Trump sometimes blamed others for the error or explained that the untrue thing really was true, in his mind, because he saw the situation more positively than others did.
“Have you ever lied in public statements about your properties?” the lawyer asked.
“I try and be truthful,” Trump said. “I’m no different from a politician running for office. You always want to put the best foot forward.”
In his presidential campaign, Trump has sought to make his truth-telling a selling point. He nicknamed his main Republican opponent “Lyin’ Ted” Cruz. He called his Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton, “A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR!” in a recent Twitter message. “I will present the facts plainly and honestly,” he said in the opening of his speech at the Republican National Convention. “We cannot afford to be so politically correct anymore.”
Trump has had a habit of telling demonstrable untruths during his presidential campaign. The Washington Post’s Fact Checker has awarded him four Pinocchios — the maximum a statement can receive — 39 times since he announced his bid last summer. In many cases, his statements echo those in the 2007 deposition: They are specific, checkable — and wrong.
Trump said he opposed the Iraq War at the start. He didn’t. He said he’d never mocked a disabled New York Times reporter. He had. Trump also said the National Football League had sent him a letter, objecting to a presidential debate that was scheduled for the same time as a football game. It hadn’t.
Last week, Trump claimed that he had seen footage — taken at a top-secret location and released by the Iranian government — showing a plane unloading a large amount of cash to Iran from the U.S. government. He hadn’t. Trump later conceded he’d been mistaken — he’d seen TV news video that showed a plane during a prisoner release.
But, even under the spotlight of this campaign, Trump has never had an experience quite like this deposition on Dec. 19 and 20, 2007.
He was trapped in a room — with his own prior statements and three high-powered lawyers.
“A very clear and visible side effect of my lawyers’ questioning of Trump is that he [was revealed as] a routine and habitual fabulist,” said Timothy L. O’Brien, the author Trump had sued.
The Washington Post sent the Trump campaign a detailed list of questions about this deposition, listing all the times when Trump seemed to have been caught in a false or unsupported statement. The Post asked Trump whether he wanted to challenge any of those findings — and whether he had felt regret when confronted with them.
He did not answer those questions.
In 2005, O’Brien, then a reporter for the New York Times, had published a book called “Trump Nation: The Art of Being the Donald.” In the book, O’Brien cited people who questioned a claim at the bedrock of Trump’s identity — that his net worth was more than $5 billion. O’Brien said he had spoken to three people who estimated that the figure was between $150 million and $250 million.
Trump sued. He later told The Post that he intended to hurt O’Brien, whom he called a “lowlife sleazebag.”
“I didn’t read [the book], to be honest with you. . . . I never read it. I saw some of the things they said,” Trump said later. “I said: ‘Go sue him. It will cost him a lot of money.’ ”
By filing suit, Trump hadn’t just opened himself up to questioning — he had opened a door into the opaque and secretive company he ran.
O’Brien’s attorneys included Mary Jo White, now the chair of the Securities and Exchange Commission, and Andrew Ceresney, now the SEC’s director of enforcement. The lawsuit had given them the power to request that Trump turn over internal company documents, and they used it. They arrived at the deposition having already identified where Trump’s public statements hadn’t matched the private truth.
The questions began with that handwritten note and the 50 percent stake that wasn’t 50 percent.
“The 30 percent equates to much more than 30 percent,” Trump explained. His reasoning was that he had not been required to put up money at the outset, so his 30 percent share seemed more valuable.
“Are you saying that the real estate community would interpret your interest to be 50 percent, even though in limited partnership agreements it’s 30 percent?” Ceresney asked.
“Smart people would,” Trump said.
“Smart people?”
“Smart people would say it’s much more than 30 percent.”
Trump inflates the numbersTRUMP: I got more than a million dollars, because they have tremendous promotion expenses, to my advantage. In other words, they promote, which has great value, through billboards, through newspapers, through radio, I think through television – yeah, through television.And they spend – again, I’d have to ask them, but I bet they spend at least a million or two million or maybe even more than that on promoting Donald Trump.LAWYER: But how much of the payments were cash?TRUMP: Approximately $400,000.LAWYER: So when you say publicly that you got paid more than a million dollars, you’re including in that sum the promotional expenses that they pay?TRUMP: Oh, absolutely, yes. That has a great value. It has a great value to me.LAWYER: Do you actually say that when you say you got paid more than a million dollars publicly?TRUMP: I don’t break it down.
On to the next one.
“I was paid more than a million dollars,” Trump said when Ceresney asked how much he’d been paid for a speech in 2005 at New York City’s Learning Annex, a continuing-education center.
Ceresney was ready.
“But how much of the payments were cash?”
“Approximately $400,000,” Trump said.
Trump said his personal math included the intangible value of publicity: The Learning Annex had advertised his speech heavily, and Trump thought that helped his brand. Therefore, in his mind he’d been paid more than $1 million, even though his actual payment was $400,000.
“Do you actually say that, when you say you got a million dollars publicly?” Ceresney asked.
“I don’t break it down,” Trump said.
As the deposition went on, the lawyers led Trump through case after case in which he’d overstated his success.
The lawyer played a clip from Larry King’s talk show, in which King asked Trump how many people worked for him. “Twenty-two thousand or so,” Trump said.
“Are all those people on your payroll?” Ceresney asked him.
“No, not directly,” Trump said. He said he was counting employees of other companies that acted as suppliers and subcontractors to his businesses.
Another one. In O’Brien’s book, Trump had been quoted saying: “I had zero borrowings from [my father’s] estate. . . . I give you my word.”
Under oath:
“Mr. Trump, have you ever borrowed money from your father’s estate?”
“I think a small amount a long time ago,” Trump said. “I think it was like in the $9 million range.”
Another one. In one of his own books, Trump had said about one of his golf courses: “Membership costs $300,000. I think it’s a bargain.”
Under oath:
“In fact, your memberships were not selling at $300,000 at that time, correct?”
“We’ve sold many for two hundred” thousand, Trump said. Then, Trump pushed it upward: “We’ve sold many for, I think, two-fifty.”
But this was not the place to push it.
The lawyer had an internal Trump document that showed the true figure — “$200,000 per membership,” Ceresney said.
“Correct,” Trump acknowledged. “Right.”
Trump passes the blameLAWYER: You didn’t correct it when you read the book?TRUMP: Well, I did correct it, and she didn’t correct it.But you could have her in as a witness, and I’m sure we’ll bring her in as a witness because what she wrote was — I asked her to change it to “billions of dollars in debt,” and she probably forgot.LAWYER: And when you read it, you didn’t correct it?TRUMP: I didn’t see it.LAWYER: You didn’t see it.TRUMP: I read it very quickly. I didn’t see it. I would have corrected it, but I didn’t see it.
In some cases, Trump acknowledged he was wrong — but not that he was at fault. Instead, he sought to turn the blame on others.
“This is somebody that wrote it, probably Meredith McIver,” Trump said at one point when confronted with another false statement. “That is a mistake.”
McIver, a staff writer with the Trump Organization, blazed into the public eye last month for having inserted plagiarized material — taken from Michelle Obama’s 2008 convention speech — in the convention speech of Trump’s wife, Melania. McIver said it had been an innocent mistake.
But in this deposition more than eight years earlier, Trump was blaming her for a mistake in one of his own books, “How to Get Rich.” In the 2004 book, co-written with McIver, Trump described his massive debt load during a low period in the early 1990s. “I owed billions upon billions of dollars — $9.2 billion to be exact,” the book said as it retold the story of his rise back to success.
Trump signs copies of his new book “How to Get Rich” in New York in 2004. (Ramin Talaie/Corbis via Getty Images)
Trump signs copies of his new book “How to Get Rich” in New York in 2004. (Ramin Talaie/Corbis via Getty Images)
The depth of that financial hole made it seem even more impressive that Trump had climbed out again. But the figure was wrong. His actual debts had been much less.
“I pointed it out to the person who wrote the book,” Trump said, meaning McIver.
“Right after she wrote the book?”
“That’s correct,” Trump said.
Then the lawyer showed Trump another book he’d written with McIver, three years later.
“In fact, I was $9 billion in debt,” Trump read aloud. A similar error, repeated. It was McIver’s fault again.
“She probably forgot,” Trump said.
“And when you read it, you didn’t correct it?”
“I didn’t see it,” Trump said.
“You didn’t see it.”
“I read it very quickly,” Trump said about a book he was credited with writing.
Trump makes unsupported claimsLAWYER: When you wrote, “O’Brien . . . threatened sources by telling them he can, quote, ‘Settle scores with enemies by writing negative articles about them,’ ” what was the basis for that statement?TRUMP: Just my perception of him.I don’t know that he indicated anything like that to me, but I think he probably did indirectly. Just my dealing with him.
In other cases, the lawyers prodded Trump into admitting that he had made authoritative-sounding statements without any proof behind them. These statements were another kind of untruth.
They were not necessarily false. They might have been true.
But Trump said them without knowing one way or the other.
“What basis do you have for that statement?” Ceresney asked in one case, about an assertion from Trump that O’Brien had been reported to the police for stalking.
“I guess that was probably taken off the Internet,” Trump said.
On to the next one.
“You wrote, ‘O’Brien . . . threatened sources by telling them he can, quote, settle scores with enemies by writing negative articles about them,’ ” Ceresney asked, reading Trump’s words from a legal complaint. “What was the basis for that statement?”
“Just my perception of him,” Trump said. “I don’t know that he indicated anything like that to me, but I think he probably did indirectly.”
The most striking example was a question at the very heart of the legal case: What was Trump’s actual net worth?
Trump had told O’Brien he was worth up to $6 billion. But the lawyers confronted him with other documents — from Trump’s accountants and from outside banks — that seemed to show the real figure was far lower.
The lawyers asked: “Have you ever not been truthful” about your net worth?
Trump’s answer here was that the truth about his wealth was — in essence — up to him to decide.
Trump outside the 92-story Trump International Hotel and Tower underway in Chicago in 2007. (Charles Rex Arbogast/AP)
Trump outside the 92-story Trump International Hotel and Tower underway in Chicago in 2007. (Charles Rex Arbogast/AP)
“My net worth fluctuates, and it goes up and down with markets and with attitudes and with feelings, even my own feelings,” Trump said. “But I try.”
The interrogation finally ended after two days. Trump’s attorney made a final demand.
“I want the record to be crystal clear that every single word, every question, every answer, every word, is confidential,” said the attorney, Mark Ressler.
In 2009, a judge dismissed Trump’s case against O’Brien. Trump appealed, but in 2011 that was denied, too.
Along the way, this once-confidential deposition became part of the public record when O’Brien’s attorneys attached it to one of their motions.
In a brief statement this week, Trump said he felt the lawsuit was a success, despite his loss.
“O’Brien knows nothing about me,” Trump said. “His book was a total failure and ultimately I had great success doing what I wanted to do — costing this third rate reporter a lot of legal fees.”
O’Brien, now executive editor of Bloomberg View, said Trump got that wrong. The publisher and insurance companies covered the cost.
“Donald Trump lost his lawsuit and, unlike him, it didn’t cost me a penny to litigate it,” he said.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/20/2024 @ 4:48 pmWait a minute, you’re telling me that Trump didn’t just take time off campaigning to work for a bit at McD’s? No, really? Say it isn’t so.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 10/20/2024 @ 4:49 pmLots of Trump critics are gullible and choose violence over the democratic process. Some literally tried to shoot Trump, and Biden, the leader of the movement, repeatedly advocated for violence. You just defended that.
You are as bad as the worst Jan 6 loser, in my book.
Dustin (4b502c) — 10/20/2024 @ 4:50 pmMcDonald’s Corporation has told the franchisee that he has forfeited his franchise and it will be given to George Soros.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/20/2024 @ 4:50 pmI see why Klink is so pro-Harris and Biden. Plagiarism.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 10/20/2024 @ 4:50 pmLOL look at that big wall of WAPO copypasta.
Far far far left will be telling conservatives who they support in no time.
Dustin (4b502c) — 10/20/2024 @ 4:56 pmRob (fingers firmly planted in ears, panties covering his face (supposed to be stockings dude)) says DONALD TRUMP IS THE MOSTEST BESTEST HONESTYIES GODLY MAN EVER…repeating over and over while sitting in the closet rocking back and forth.
Plagiarism-the practice of taking someone else’s work or ideas and passing them off as one’s own.
Since the entire article talks about it being written by The Washington Post, I kind of missed where my name first name is The, last Post, with Washington in the middle.
Wait, the entire thing shows that Trump has been a criminal, fraud, and liar, his life.
Or maybe, its the New Jersey hand wave, “this is not the liar you are looking for.”
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/20/2024 @ 5:04 pmLike RFK Jr? Or the big Harris donor Donald J Trump?
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/20/2024 @ 5:06 pmYou’re full of sh-t and wrong, Dustin, just like you’re full of sh-t and wrong about blaming NeverTrumpers for DeSantis’ embarrassingly pathetic campaign.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/20/2024 @ 5:08 pmI never advocated violence against political figures, and I never supported Biden, so you’re engaging in a smear.
The mental cases who “literally tried to shoot Trump” were mental cases. It’s as stupid of a smear as when left-wingers like Krugman and others blamed Sarah Palin when a crazy guy shot Gabby Giffords and murdered six others.
What the uck did you just ucking say about me, you little itch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seels, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al Keeda [sic], and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US army forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the uck out with precisision the likes of which has never been saw before on this Earth, mark my ucking words. You think you can get away with saying that hit to me over the Internet? Think again, ucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re ucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in tri-armed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable a$$ off the face of the region, you little hit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your ucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goldarmed idiot. I will hit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re ucking dead, kiddo.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/20/2024 @ 5:15 pmNow that, is copypasta, the actual first one.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/20/2024 @ 5:16 pmFake Customer: “Mr. President, please don’t let the United States become Brazil!”
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/20/2024 @ 5:17 pmDonnie the Fry Cook: “You want lies with that?”
FC: “Super-size it!”
Klink, that’s way out of line.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/20/2024 @ 5:23 pmI expect you will get your wish under the second Trump administration.
Rip Murdock (dc18a3) — 10/20/2024 @ 5:24 pmThe Mobys are losing it.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 10/20/2024 @ 5:25 pmThey are.
But they get the last laugh. They are getting exactly the division and ugliness they crave.
Dustin (4b502c) — 10/20/2024 @ 5:27 pmThanks for sharing.
Dustin (4b502c) — 10/20/2024 @ 5:27 pmKlink wins the Most Likely Next Assassin award.
lloyd (c89439) — 10/20/2024 @ 5:33 pmhttps://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/presidential/3196094/graham-reprimands-republicans-supporting-harris-what-the-hell-are-you-doing/
Truth
NJRob (eb56c3) — 10/20/2024 @ 5:42 pmTrue Dustin.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 10/20/2024 @ 5:42 pmPersonally I don’t mind that a transcript of Trump’s constant stream of lies is posted twice, but it’s weird that it’s “division and ugliness” to call out that stream of lies when the reality is that the ugly divider is the pathological liar, but this is the lengths the MAGAs will go. Down is up.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/20/2024 @ 5:47 pmWell, that’s literally the first copypasta created in internet world in 2006. He wanted a copypasta, that’s the copypasta
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/20/2024 @ 5:50 pmIt’s a meme, see all the misspellings, Navy Seels, but also an Army sniper, and a Marine reference.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/20/2024 @ 5:53 pmIt’s weird that MAGAts are both the most macho, but also so fragile they cry about everything.
So much sniveling, what a bunch of pansies.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/20/2024 @ 5:55 pmIt’s a famous meme.
lurker (c23034) — 10/20/2024 @ 6:06 pmDefinitely talking about illegal immigrants with his “enemy within” quip.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/20/2024 @ 6:07 pmNews to me, about the meme.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/20/2024 @ 6:16 pmNobody wants Trump to be an assassination target than his supporters do. It is a part of their delusion that he is a person of worth. “Consequential.”
Trump himself? Hard to say. For sure he has fostered and reinforces that delusion among his supporters for his con game. And I’m sure that he wishes more than anything in the world to be “consequential”.
But for all his seeming megalomania, all his braggadocio and bluster, I think he is constantly and painfully aware that he is still only whiny little Donnie who does not know where his next cookie is coming from.
nk (4879cb) — 10/20/2024 @ 6:33 pmI’m not aware of every meme either. This one I happen to be familiar with. The point is, posting it in response to an accusation of copypasta is a comment about copypasta, not an assertion of what the copypasta contains.
lurker (c23034) — 10/20/2024 @ 6:34 pmThere’s a bit of drama seeking from the folks really living in Trump land.
But there are a lot of people who want Trump shot, in earnest, because they believe that’s better than letting the election go his way. A lot of them.
And they don’t get to lecture the rest of us.
Dustin (4b502c) — 10/20/2024 @ 6:42 pmThis one is worse. But does contain a kernel, vis a vis Trumpers, but it’s what it is and what you have to dig it out of that is the objectionable, not the similarity.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/20/2024 @ 6:46 pmnk likes to write nearly every comment week after week after week about someone inconsequential. Good to know.
lloyd (5e189c) — 10/20/2024 @ 7:18 pmDustin,
Biden has said a couple of idiotic things for which he deserves criticism, but in the context of his otherwise consistent messaging against violence, they’re anomalies. Harris doesn’t even have those lapses on her record. Conversely, wishcasting, delighting in, and otherwise approving of violence is a cornerstone of Trump’s rhetoric. I don’t know how much you follow social media, but the same contrast carries over to Harris’ and Trump’s respective supporters. There are of course always exceptions to nutpick, but the notion that there’s any kind of equivalence of violent rhetoric between the candidates and their camps is silly.
lurker (c23034) — 10/20/2024 @ 7:19 pmWhen you’re right you’re right, lloyd. Being the subject and object of my penetrating wit and wordplay on the internet is a distinction few mortals have achieved.
nk (4879cb) — 10/20/2024 @ 7:36 pmCBS News has released the full transcript of the Kamala Harris interview; which moots the FCC complaint by the Center for American Rights.
Meanwhile, Trump has suggested that he will sue CBS News for editing their interview with the VP. Even Jonathan Turkey says it is doomed to fail:
Rip Murdock (dc18a3) — 10/20/2024 @ 7:37 pm@298
Bullsh1t. The Democrats and Nevertrumpers who regretted the shooter’s aim are out there on social media. Not small in number. The tombstone in Central Park and the reactions to it. There is no comparison.
And note the attempt to shift the metric to rhetoric instead of actions.
lloyd (5e189c) — 10/20/2024 @ 7:37 pmTurkey=Turley. Darn autocorrect.
Rip Murdock (dc18a3) — 10/20/2024 @ 7:38 pmThe CAR FCC complaint can be found here.
Rip Murdock (dc18a3) — 10/20/2024 @ 7:41 pmNope, only MAGA posing, Crooks and other guy are 100% all MAGA. Created by the SVR to ensure their guy, who’s been increasingly drooling on camera daily, stays in the news.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/20/2024 @ 7:42 pm@225 now you don’t want rich people buying elections?
asset (b0396f) — 10/20/2024 @ 7:55 pm@280 I’m a lefty democrat and I have no problem with shifty schiff being investigated and hopefully prosecuted.
asset (b0396f) — 10/20/2024 @ 8:00 pm@300
False. CBS is simply responding to Trump’s flagging the fact that CBS has refused, and continues to refuse, to release the full transcript. And, rather than simply release the full transcript, they take a jab of Trump — showing that animus and partisan bias is what’s driving their intransigence.
And, for the record, the Trump camp says they never agreed to an interview. Now we know, for good reason.
lloyd (5e189c) — 10/20/2024 @ 8:05 pm*jab at Trump
lloyd (5e189c) — 10/20/2024 @ 8:06 pmYou posted a transcript that was “Updated on: October 7, 2024 / 8:01 PM EDT”
I don’t see this quote:
Are you certain the FCC complaint is moot, Rip? Maybe there is another transcript you would like to post?
BuDuh (4214e4) — 10/20/2024 @ 8:06 pmRip thought this was a non-story.
lloyd (5e189c) — 10/20/2024 @ 8:08 pm16 days and the name calling is getting worse. Just be nice as you watch the meteor hit! You can’t stop it from hitting earth!
asset (b0396f) — 10/20/2024 @ 8:08 pmAs far as influencing the election, it still is.
Rip Murdock (dc18a3) — 10/20/2024 @ 8:12 pmDodgers-Yankees. Their 12th meeting.
The classic Fall Classic.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/20/2024 @ 8:24 pm16 days and the name calling is getting worse.
He’s right. Too bad we can’t get Trump and Harris on this thing.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/20/2024 @ 8:25 pmHow do you they aren’t posing as one of the existing posters? 😉
Rip Murdock (dc18a3) — 10/20/2024 @ 8:28 pmIndeed…
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/20/2024 @ 8:44 pmI don’t know what Trump did at McD’s but it must’ve been awesome since it’s driving Paul to distraction.
lloyd (5e189c) — 10/20/2024 @ 9:04 pmHow do you they aren’t posing as one of the existing posters?
Trump would be in moderation.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/20/2024 @ 10:26 pmIt’s weird that Trump keeps saying how he doesn’t have a cognitive problem (or a tiny pecker), that’s exactly the kind of thing people say when they absolutely do.
Especially one that is the world’s greatest fabulist.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/20/2024 @ 11:06 pmBTW, the MoCA is supposed to be given by a doctor who specializes in cognitive disorders. Ronny Jackson? nope. Jackson said Trump scored a perfect 30/30. Typical high scores are 26.
Trump also always talks about the “Person, woman, man, camera, TV” bit. The creator of test said that would be highly unlikely that the short-term memory recall portion would be 5 things, 2 being descriptions of a person, and two pieces of electronics. (not that Trump would make up what he said based on looking at a person, woman, man, camera, tv in front of him when he was talking about it.
I’d guess he would really have scored 18 or so then, 11-12 now. Mildly impaired then, moderate now. He’d border into severe, which is debatable, as my gammie-in-law could score a 6 in the inpatient memory care ward. She was about like Trump now when we first started looking at options. Everything happened in flat time, there was no concept of yesterday and 5 years ago, and she always knew who X was, regardless of actually knowing them. Sound familiar.
She didn’t talk about dead golfers wood for 11 minutes during a speech though.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/20/2024 @ 11:23 pmYou can look at the test too.
One of the key things to start the process is forgetting people’s names that you’ve recently been introduced too.
Watch any campaign event, interview, like his interview with Paige Steele today.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/20/2024 @ 11:28 pmA vote for Trump means you want JD Vance to be president within the next 18 months.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/20/2024 @ 11:29 pmFor Trump, a Lifetime of Scandals Heads Toward a Moment of Judgment
No major party presidential candidate, much less president, in American history has been accused of wrongdoing so many times.
It’s as comprehensive an effort as I’ve seen to capture and organize the fire hose of Trump’s crime and sleaze, and The Times still misses things. Trump’s immorality is just too enormous to contain.
Here’s how it begins:
That’s just the 30,000 foot overview. The piece is almost 6,000 words, so if you aren’t blocked by the paywall, read the whole thing. TL;DR: it’s mind-boggling that we’re on the verge of re-electing this moral abomination.
lurker (c23034) — 10/21/2024 @ 4:19 amSorry for the photo caption that snuck in there. I doubt anyone wants to see that whole wall of text repeated just to delete a few words, so I’ll trust you all to make sense of it.
lurker (c23034) — 10/21/2024 @ 4:41 amI forgot that I can gift link the whole article, so here you go. No whining about the paywall.
lurker (c23034) — 10/21/2024 @ 4:46 amWhat isn’t funny about a fraud trying to highlight his claim that Kamala didn’t work at McDonalds by pretending to work at a closed McDonalds, serving pretend orders to supporters pretending to be his customers. It’s quintessential Trump at his con man best, and it’s fitting that this chain’s mascot is a clown.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/21/2024 @ 4:58 amYou seem to have the burden of proof inverted, sir. Harris made the original claim. When asked for documentation, she has thus far refused. Trump has no burden to disprove.
Until she provides it, it is more than fair to consider it a false claim.
SaveFarris (79ab12) — 10/21/2024 @ 5:13 amIt’s an unproven claim. Another sad case of MAGA Partisan Brain.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/21/2024 @ 5:51 amPutin loses. Moldova’s anti-Putin president is reelected, and they voted (just barely) to join the EU, despite Putin’s massive meddling.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/21/2024 @ 6:00 amOoops, crime was up… but shhh… don’t tell the fact checkers
lloyd (5e189c) — 10/21/2024 @ 6:16 am@251
The horror!
A politician doing retail-politics.
What shall we ever do Paul?
whembly (477db6) — 10/21/2024 @ 6:34 amI wonder if Paul is part of the team of unprove-ists that stifle innovation?
https://x.com/AutismCapital/status/1847808836234797418
Until Paul sufficiently proves otherwise, it is clear that he doesn’t like innovation.
BuDuh (4214e4) — 10/21/2024 @ 6:55 amCrime was adjusted upward for 2022, and it’s down in 2023, with more than 85% reporting (compared to two-thirds in 2021).
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/21/2024 @ 7:04 am@323
I’m already voting for Trump… you don’t need to convince me even harder.
whembly (477db6) — 10/21/2024 @ 7:05 am@327
Wow, you are losing your mind on this one Paul.
Go out and touch grass.
There’s a very good reason why the establishment needed to be closed for this.
whembly (477db6) — 10/21/2024 @ 7:07 am@ 335
Joe (584b3d) — 10/21/2024 @ 7:08 amTake my upvote sir.
It remains unproven that the 2023 data won’t be adjusted upwards at a later date. Nice try with going against your own rule, Paul.
BuDuh (4214e4) — 10/21/2024 @ 7:12 amRight, because mocking a con man is “losing your mind”. Y’all are f-cking delusional.
BTW, I dare any MAGA to read lurker’s link in full. Y’all are voting for human scaum.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/21/2024 @ 7:19 amWhat has X achieved that Gemini had not 60 years ago?
And why doesn’t Musk play with his taxpayer-subsidized copycats off of South Africa instead of off of California?
nk (4879cb) — 10/21/2024 @ 7:23 amMusk and all his works must be crushed. He should be made an un-person for his apostasy.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/21/2024 @ 7:37 amRight, because mocking a con man is “losing your mind”.
It is getting the point where I only have to read poster’s names to know what they wrote.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/21/2024 @ 7:39 amI dared. Gee, I know how this game is played. The rules according folks like lurker and nk is to attack the source. New York Times— Democrat partisan hacks. Meh.
lloyd (c6c0da) — 10/21/2024 @ 7:45 amIf Trump did not want his piddly horsesh!t “retail politics” TV special mocked, he should not have produced it.
As it is, people should think twice about eating at that McDonald’s without a new certification from the city’s inspectional services that all opened food and containers have been thrown out, and all appliances, utensils, and surfaces have been decontaminated.
nk (4879cb) — 10/21/2024 @ 7:53 amIt’s curious, really.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/21/2024 @ 8:07 amBack when I was blogging at Tacitus and The Forvm, which ranged from half to three-quarters liberal, the commenters on the Left used that same “losing your mind” language when I kept calling out Obama’s proven lies, and he told a lot of them, but he got away with most of it because he looked and sounded statesmanlike while lying through his teeth.
It’s not me who’s changed.
Crime was adjusted upward for 2022, and it’s down in 2023, with more than 85% reporting (compared to two-thirds in 2021).
“Juking the stats”
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/21/2024 @ 8:25 amA vote for Trump means you want JD Vance to be president within the next 18 months.
Are you telling me my choice is Vance or Harris? Because Vance is sane, which is a big improvement over Trump. If this is a pool, I’ll go for 4 months.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/21/2024 @ 8:27 amSo voting for Biden’s continuation of Obama’s lying administration, if you lived in a particular swing state, is part of how you have always been?
Makes sense now.
BuDuh (4214e4) — 10/21/2024 @ 8:34 amNobody knows another’s troubles. Who knows what life must be really like for Trump at Mar-a-Lago ever since Melania learned that Nicole Shanahan got one billion dollars ($1B) for only five years of marriage to Sergey Brin?
nk (4879cb) — 10/21/2024 @ 8:39 amExcept I never voted for Biden. You MAGA trolls are something else.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/21/2024 @ 8:55 am@339
You can mock him. I’m just pointing out the stupidity of the argument you’re making.
The fact that it was closed to the public is irrelevant. He’s not this unique politician who does this sort of “retail politics”
Again, you’re over reacting. Go touch some grass.
I consider Kamala Harris even worse than that.
whembly (477db6) — 10/21/2024 @ 8:57 amThis is unproven.
But what is proven at the link, if you believe your own words, is that you said you would vote for Biden in certain swing states.
BuDuh (4214e4) — 10/21/2024 @ 8:57 amNo, whembly, what’s stupid is all the pushback from Trump’s stupid phony baloney photo op. It’s quite amazing.
Noted, BuDuh, that all you have is a hypothetical. What a pathetic MAGA troll you are.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/21/2024 @ 9:01 amProbably another source Paul doesn’t like.
I imagine he can prove that she is wrong.
BuDuh (4214e4) — 10/21/2024 @ 9:02 amAll of dis…
whembly (477db6) — 10/21/2024 @ 9:04 amhttps://www.nationalreview.com/corner/trump-answers-enraged-democrats-sir-this-is-a-mcdonalds/
All I have is Paul’s own hypothetical to present to Paul.
Now that is a source condemnation from him even I didn’t expect.
Wow!!
Hahahahaha!
BuDuh (4214e4) — 10/21/2024 @ 9:06 am@353
See my previous post.
I’m not the only one noticing how ya’ll are wigging out on this.
whembly (477db6) — 10/21/2024 @ 9:08 amGood for you, lloyd. Was there anything in that long litany that was factually incorrect?
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/21/2024 @ 9:09 amBeing a MAGA means the truth doesn’t matter anymore.
“They’re eating the geese!” Or something like that.
Sure, Trump’s phony McDonalds photo-op is small beer, but it reflects what he’s about, which is a non-stop conveyor belt cons and fraud and bread-and-circus.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/21/2024 @ 9:24 amThe larger issue is, of course, that Trump attempted a coup, committed crimes in his efforts to overturn a legitimate election, and he said (without retraction) that he’s a fascist who supported “termination” of the Constitution and would use the National Guard or military to “handle” his political “enemies”, presumably for the “crime” of opposing him.
Worse, this old guy is only getting more demented, more perverted (see Arnold Palmer) and more mentally ill. All the rest of it should kill what should’ve been an already-dead campaign, but alas.
This once conservative political party is going in the worst direction, so I might as well criticize what I’m seeing.
Thank you. Harris’s claim that she worked there is unproven.
Glad we finally agree!
SaveFarris (79ab12) — 10/21/2024 @ 9:30 amTrump’s run at Mickey D’s was a photo op. Like millions before and millions since. As Trump said about Mike Pence when he was at risk of being killed, “so what?”
Appalled (24b5b6) — 10/21/2024 @ 9:33 amPaul will be all over you for not posting a proven statement.
BuDuh (4214e4) — 10/21/2024 @ 9:43 amBuDuh, at 217 —
yes, and? This is a thing that Biden should not have done and should not be doing, and the fact that Biden *is* doing it doesn’t magically transmute it into a good thing. It’s terrible, dangerous rhetoric.
And what Trump is doing is *worse*, because:
(a) Biden is directing it at a specific discrete group of known bad actors that are fundamentally a terrorist gang, with an internal organizational structure that has control over members, while Trump is directing it at a large amorphous group of people who are not bound together organizationally in any way.
(b) Biden is directing it at people who live halfway around the world, Trump is directing it at people who are our neighbors.
The way Biden is using this rhetoric increases the risk that the angry US public will be induced to support a brutal war (with widespread casualties among the innocent) on the other side of the world, as has happened repeatedly in other places and times. The way Trump is using this rhetoric increases the risk that an angry public will be whipped into a murderous frenzy against their neighbors, as has happened in many other countries at many other times.
It’s not a sure thing that this risk will come to fruition, and one of the mistakes the anti-Trump activists make is asserting that the risk constitutes a sure thing. But the risk *is* significantly increased, and the fact that Trump would choose to increase the risk in this way is something that we, as the voters, should view as disqualifying.
aphrael (79d53f) — 10/21/2024 @ 9:55 amNice to see you calling out Biden now, aphrael. 👍
BuDuh (4214e4) — 10/21/2024 @ 9:57 am> But there are a lot of people who want Trump shot, in earnest, because they believe that’s better than letting the election go his way. A lot of them.
As a moral matter, killing your political opposition is evil.
As a practical matter, killing Trump might remove this particular threat to the system but it won’t do anything about the conditions which produced him, and will introduce political violence as a *norm* of behavior in the post-Trump era.
It’s not clear to me why anyone with either a moral compass or an iota of political acument would support it.
aphrael (79d53f) — 10/21/2024 @ 10:01 amNo one that is a directly in a campaign would never.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/21/2024 @ 10:06 am255.
Actually, it is easy to prove, if she worked on the books.
Social Security keeps records of Social Security taxes pai, and I think also who was the employer. (by employer ID number)
https://blog.ssa.gov/access-your-earnings-history-with-my-social-security
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 10/21/2024 @ 10:18 amHoward Kurtz, Fox News: “January 6, the other day you called it ‘a day of love,’ that sparked a lot of reaction given that many police officers were attacked and there were mobs shouting ‘hang Mike Pence.’ Can you understand why many Americans can view it as a dark and tragic day in our history?”
Donald Trump: “The crowd I spoke before, which you rarely see. I have pictures of it, massive but nobody wants to put it in. It was the biggest crowd I’ve ever spoken to and I’ve spoken to the biggest crowds. I’ve never seen that many people. A small group of them. And, you know, peacefully and patriotically, which nobody uses my words with peacefully and patriotically. A small group went down to the Capitol, but they came, they came because they thought it was a rigged election. This was a protest against a rigged election. And I can’t say exactly the number, but I’ve had massive crowds, and this was by far the biggest crowd — I’ve spoken to the crowd at the Washington Monument, and the Lincoln Memorial, on the Fourth of July, this crowd was bigger. And I’ll tell you, there was a beauty to it and there was a love to it that I’ve never seen before. A small group of people went down to the Capitol, and then a lot of strange things happened, I’m saying that when I saw that tremendous crowd, the largest group I’ve ever spoken to, in front of these beautiful monuments. I thought it was actually a beautiful thing.”
Kurtz: “I want to drill down on this question of retribution against your political opponents, because you’ve had opportunities to walk that back. And my question is this: are you prepared to say now that you will not use law enforcement to punish or prosecute your political opponents?”
Trump: “Excuse me, that’s what they’re using on me.”
Kurtz: “You talk about the enemy within. There’s America’s enemies outside, ‘the enemy within’ is a pretty ominous phrase if you’re talking about other Americans.”
Trump: “I think it’s accurate. I mean, I think it’s accurate.”
Kurtz: “Who are you talking about because the enemy –”
Trump: “But what they’ve done is so terrible. Who’s ever heard of anything like this? Adam shifty Schiff. He’s a crooked guy. He’s a crooked politician. 100% he’s going to be a senator now, can you believe it?”
Kurtz: “But again, he’s a political opponent of yours, is he the enemy?”
Trump: “No, he’s a well, he’s, of course, he’s an enemy. He’s an enemy […] These are bad people. We have a lot of bad people, but when you look at shifty Schiff and some of the others, yeah, they are, to me, the enemy from within. I think Nancy Pelosi is an enemy from within.”
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/21/2024 @ 10:25 amVance is not just an Election Denier, he and Trump intend to sh-t on the 14th Amendment. This is Trump’s fascist America if he wins.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/21/2024 @ 10:28 amCongress can pass laws to end birthright citizenships. They’d have to clarify what “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” means.
What you can’t do, is rescind it once it was given. It’d be a line of the sand kind of thing.
whembly (477db6) — 10/21/2024 @ 10:33 amI just looked up my history, and a job from the same time at a nursing home doesn’t show up.
If the holding company for the franchisee has changed then the EID would be different, and there’s no way you’d remember the EID from them.
From McDonald’s
Since working at McDonald’s is completely common, McDonald’s says neither they or their franchisees don’t have records that far back, and that Trump is actively saying a thing. I’ll trust history and say it’s far more likely that they’re telling the truth and Trump is lying, it’s would be shocking if he were telling the truth, it literally never happens. If Trump is saying it, the default position should always be “he’s lying”.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/21/2024 @ 10:42 amRIP actor, singer and dancer Francesca Marlene de Czanyi von Gerber (aka Mitzi Gaynor) (93).
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/21/2024 @ 11:06 amThe courts have already decided. Ain’t gonna fly.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/21/2024 @ 11:07 amKamala’s 1983 stint at MickeyD’s in Oakland is still unproven, but there is a hearsay witness, for what it’s worth.
Perhaps her dad could settle this.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/21/2024 @ 11:13 amEven if she didn’t work at McDonalds.
She also didn’t try to overthrow an election, Trump did.
She also didn’t rape a lady, Trump did.
She also didn’t cheat on her wife, that just had a baby, with a porn star, Trump did.
She also didn’t have audio of her telling folks that he can just grab’em by the pooty if your famous.
She also didn’t tell folks to inject disinfectant.
He lies, exclusively, exhaustively, daily, about everything, great and small. There is no lie he is above, and no subject too important for him to lie about. He’s never truthful, ever.
But maybe she didn’t have a summer job at MickeyD’s in the 80’s. Trump has been a lying conman for nearly a century.
He’s a walking talking national security breach, that has already happened, again and again.
Oh and he’s a senile old fool too. JD Vance will be president if you vote for Trump, not in 2028, in 2025. 26 at the outside.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/21/2024 @ 11:18 amSo what happens to the anti-trump republicans if trump wins?
Joe (584b3d) — 10/21/2024 @ 11:34 amIs he legit, but flawed?
not-legit?
Someone to be taken out vis the 25th amendment at earliest opportunity?
Head for the hills in your bunker?
Start the 28 primary right away?
@373
If you’re talking about Wong Kim Ark… not necessarilyi:
whembly (477db6) — 10/21/2024 @ 11:36 amhttps://www.heritage.org/the-constitution/commentary/does-the-constitution-mandate-universal-birthright-citizenship-heres
https://cha.house.gov/press-releases?ID=995DD584-4385-4765-820E-4E274D09B5FC
Paul is not going to like all this lying.
BuDuh (4214e4) — 10/21/2024 @ 11:37 am@376
Now, now, now… let’s not be hasty here.
Harris/Walz can still win this thing, despite what the polls says.
whembly (477db6) — 10/21/2024 @ 11:38 amColonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/21/2024 @ 10:42 am
You mean 1983? If you were paid as an employee it should be there. Unless they pocketed the money, but they would have pocketed any income tax withholding too. Maybe it was too small to withhold, and also they treated you like an independent contractor, which might be a reasonable possibility for a nursing home. But a McDonald’s franchisee wouldn’t have done that.
Oh, most people wouldn’t know the number. You wouldn’t know the number, but there should be some record of it with some employer ID number, for that quarter.
Unless maybe if less than X amount was paid it is not included. If split over two quarters and there was no other earned income credited, and the Social Security Administration ignores when too little is paid the amount omitted could be more than X number of dollars.
Although the ssa.gov website says:
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 10/21/2024 @ 11:40 amWho the F cares if she can’t prove she worked at McDonald’s? Who would lie about such a thing? And why would it matter? That this is a problem (and Trump’s various rapes are not) is just maddening.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/21/2024 @ 11:44 amThey wouldn’t, but Social Security does. (But I wouldn’t think that leaving it out of a 1987 resume means anything. It’s too menial a job, and not relevant, and not needed for purposes of fill a gap in employment.
His campaign, or its friends, seems to be saying this
He’d only be lying about his degree of certainty – he’s not saying he knows it is false – or if he was distorting what she says (like saying she said she only worked on the fries or saying she changed the details when perhaps she didn’t or it is excusable.
Sometimes he comes close to it.
That he’s lying or distorting, or he has no basis for it.
Here the thing is, that, after all, she is not Joe Biden. (but maybe she has his consultants)
On the other hand Trump’s campaign has had almost two months to research this.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 10/21/2024 @ 11:55 am> (But I wouldn’t think that leaving it out of a 1987 resume means anything. It’s too menial a job, and not relevant, and not needed for purposes of fill a gap in employment.
I’ll note that I leave my early jobs off of my resume almost all of the time; they’re irrelevant to my career history, and nobody interviewing a middle aged software engineer cares about what non-tech jobs he had in high school and college.
aphrael (966413) — 10/21/2024 @ 12:01 pm> So what happens to the anti-trump republicans if trump wins?
Eventually they get declared to be part of the “enemy within” and Trump uses the force of the state to punish them. It’ll take a few years until we get there, but at some point it will happen.
aphrael (966413) — 10/21/2024 @ 12:03 pmIsn’t that the crux?
BuDuh (baf789) — 10/21/2024 @ 12:06 pm@ 384
Joe (584b3d) — 10/21/2024 @ 12:08 pmI meant the people here who are “anybody but him”
They have to know how they feel, genuinely curious
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/21/2024 @ 11:44 am
It doesn’t matter.
The idea would be she’s lying to the voters in order that they should identify with her and also that she (or rather her mother) was rich enough for her not to need a summer job during college, but she wants to say she was middle class.
Trump’s popularity is based on the idea that he is telling the truth and that others are lying about him (and often enough they are. If they have something, they can’t help themselves from “improving” or creating a story – and they know how find people to do it
I don’t think he raped anyone. False accusations of rape have been made by Democratic Party partisans – about Brett Kavanaugh for example, and they were never traced back to the instigators.
The ones about Trump are all unlikely, except by Ivana during their divorce.
Now Trump said something once which was not at all a claim of rape. It was probably not true, but not because he grabbed them without their consent but because he never grabbed any woman like that at all. But it was used to win a civil lawsuit where the jury decided that what he said was more likely true than not but they couldn’t say so for anything further.
Bill Clinton by the way was accused of rape by Juanita Broderick.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 10/21/2024 @ 12:10 pmWithout Paul’s fixation for the truth, and his link at 11:33am, I would not have know when Kamala first said she worked at McDonald’s. This link was within Paul’s link:
https://www.facebook.com/StandUpKc/videos/kamala-harris-fight-for-15/1294266764085465/?_rdr
She announced her fry skill set at a union fast food worker strike in 2019. The woot-woot of the wee-weed up crowd helped her find her pandering rhythm.
Why would she lie to a crowd that would never fact check her? I dunno..
BuDuh (baf789) — 10/21/2024 @ 12:24 pmCurtis Sliwa said that approximately one third of Americans have worked for a fast food restaurant at one time or another and (the greatest number) at Mickey D’s, so there’s nothing odd about this, except saying it if it is not true. It would be odd to lie about this.
He seemed to think it is not true. He was night manager of a McDonald’s on Fordham Road in the Bronx in the late 1970s and he said they were cross trained but Kamala Harris said she only worked on the fries. But the New York Times said back in August that she ” fried the fries, worked the ice cream machine and staffed the cash register” so the Trump people may not be reporting accurately what she said, (unless this went through a few iterations when she first said that but she hasn’t been claiming she was limited to fries for a long time)
Curtis Skiwa also said that anyone who worked on the fries would come out smelling like that (his wife, who was there last night on his WABC AM show and whom he married only a few years ago had said she worked at a McDonald’s when she was 15 and mentioned the smell) and Curtis Sliwa said that’s the sort of thing that was missing from her story – he said that he would go to shower at some club – the sort of club where drugs were sold – the only things open that late – and that (one time) somebody asked him what cologne he was using..
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 10/21/2024 @ 12:27 pmIn 2019 Kamala Harris (making an appearance at a “Fight for 15” rally) said that while she was not supporting a family or needed the money to pay rent when she worked at McDonald’s a majority (!>) of those working at McDonalds are:
In 2013 the Atlantic ran a story which said that 25% were parents:
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/08/more-than-a-quarter-of-fast-food-workers-are-raising-a-child/278424
or better:
https://web.archive.org/web/20130812000803/https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/08/more-than-a-quarter-of-fast-food-workers-are-raising-a-child/278424/
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 10/21/2024 @ 12:39 pmSammy, like you were saying, if it’s under a certain amount, it’s not recorded. I’d bet a summer McD’s job would fall in the under. I worked giving olds food at the nursing home specifically because they paid $5/hr where fast food or retail paid, minimum wage, $2.75 in Ohio IIRC. California was $3.10, so 20 hours for a couple of months would only be a grand.
And yeah, in the minor scheme of an election, or working at the DA’s office, it’s equivalent of fingernail length.
I think rape, housing fraud, general fraud, tax evasion, sexual assault, 34 felonies might be a bit more important.
Or even Haitians eating cats…no dogs…no geese…rabbits…uh…cows?
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/21/2024 @ 12:39 pmBuDuh (baf789) — 10/21/2024 @ 12:24 pm
But then, if she made it all up, why not claim she needed the money?
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 10/21/2024 @ 12:40 pm@381
That’s not the story…
The story is that Trump critics can’t handle this moment because their reflexive instinct is to denigrate Trump for any reason at all. Its the inability to say anything positive or neutral about him. It’s always code red levels of hysteria.
Maybe because the country is finally getting tired of all the hysterical reactions to Trump…
whembly (477db6) — 10/21/2024 @ 12:41 pm@ 393
Joe (584b3d) — 10/21/2024 @ 12:43 pmI am going to vote for Trump, but i will acknowledge that there are a lot of people (% wise) who despise him and would be happy to see him dead. [Worse than Hitler or Mussolini]
We don’t even know that she couldn’t prove it that way. She may not realize she could. (and forging a Social Security employment record would be caught, so it is good proof)
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 10/21/2024 @ 12:45 pmDick Morris said yesterday on his radio show on WABC that positive ads are better than negative ads for a candidate, but a rebuttal is the best of all.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 10/21/2024 @ 12:48 pmSince Wong Kim Ark has served as precedent for nearly 160 years it’s going to be a real heavy lift for the Supreme Court to overturn it. And despite the hand waving by the Heritage Foundation, at best it is doubtful that either the Executive Branch or Congress can simply reinterpret the decision.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/21/2024 @ 12:50 pmOther than editorial embellishment, nothing factually incorrect. And?
Convictions and lawsuits which only happened because Trump is R instead of D don’t sway me. Obviously, they sway you. What’s new?
lloyd (760970) — 10/21/2024 @ 12:51 pmhttps://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/14/us/elections/trump-promises-extreme-rhetoric.html
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 10/21/2024 @ 12:56 pmDesperate Kamala Plans Photo Op At Long John Silver’s.
lloyd (5bfb74) — 10/21/2024 @ 12:57 pmAs far as making it “all” up, I don’t see that this was an elaborate scheme. There wasn’t much to make up.
As far as claiming she needed the money, I do believe that she isn’t so dumb that suggesting that she didn’t have the privileged upbringing that was better than the people she was talking to would have opened a can of worms.
It really is worth to listen to the link I found in Paul’s link. Her cadence changes as the crowd hoots and hollers. Suddenly she is street-wise Kamala-bonica as she preaches about having “did the fries and did the ice cream.”
BuDuh (baf789) — 10/21/2024 @ 12:57 pmDesperate Kamala Plans Photo Op At Long John Silver’s
lloyd (5bfb74) — 10/21/2024 @ 12:57 pmSorry for the repost. Duh.
lloyd (5bfb74) — 10/21/2024 @ 12:58 pm330.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/21/2024 @ 6:00 am
Including, probably, getting one of his agents to seduce a female opposition leader.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/19/world/europe/natalia-morari-moldova-corrupt-business.html
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 10/21/2024 @ 1:07 pmNeither did Trump. It was a question!
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 10/21/2024 @ 1:09 pmThe bottom line is that the USSC decided that the child born in Frisco to Chinese immigrants was an American citizen, thus affirming birthright citizenship and overriding the Chinese Exclusion Act.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/21/2024 @ 1:22 pmUnintended Consequences:
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/21/2024 @ 1:24 pmI’m glad with all the issues facing the country today, one of the most vital things to find, according to the locals, is the records proving that Kamela Harris worked at MickyDs back in the day. What’s the basis for all the concern? Trump claimimg — without having a lick of proof — that she hadn’t worked there. Y’know, the burden of proof resides with the person making an outlandish charge, not the person charged.
If that’s wrong guys — well, go out there and demonstrate that Donald Trump doesn’t smell like rotten meat and Fox News hosts don’t put Vicks in their noses so they don’t vomit on air…
Appalled (f24838) — 10/21/2024 @ 1:27 pmThat’s the MAGA delusion for ya. Convictions and lawsuits happened because Trump is Trump, and Trump has left a decades-long trail of lawsuits, almost 4,100 of them. There’s a reason why Trump is the only president in American history facing this post-presidential legal trouble.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/21/2024 @ 1:29 pm@406
That case was exactly that… the Chinese Exclusion Act as being unconstitutional.
The parents in that case already had legal status/residence.
So the case wasn’t even ABOUT “what if the parent were illegal”??
It’s not as clear cut as you’d want it to be, nor has there been any case in the courts to fully test it out.
whembly (477db6) — 10/21/2024 @ 1:36 pmIt’s funny, he’s pre-presidential legal troubles were well known. Now MAGA seems to have forgotten the first 70 years, he’d filed for bankruptcy half a dozen times, paid outlandish sums to people to “catch and kill” all the philandering, doing the actual philandering, was a draft dodger (he’s in perfect health now, do we know when his bone spur surgery happened?), was a reality TV celebrity and failed real estate guy (see bankruptcies).
And that was before he was president. His term was a disaster, and he’s leaning heavy into fascism and incompetence this time
His qualifications were he wasn’t Hillary Clinton and he was a celebrity.
Harris qualifications are she’s not Trump and hasn’t aged into decrepitude. I’ve been saying it for 2 years, Nikki wins this election by 15 points and pulls the house and senate.
Trump loses, he’s never had more votes, continues to push the congress left as whenever he’s around the dems do better than expected.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/21/2024 @ 1:42 pmWhichever party signs off on a 33% cut in SS benefits will be wiped out in the next election.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/21/2024 @ 1:42 pmVice President Kamala Harris’s plans…
…include a massive income tax increase. Which won’t pass, so whatever they are they are just magic beans and ought not be treated as if they were real.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/21/2024 @ 1:45 pmTilting at windmills.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/21/2024 @ 1:45 pmThere’s a reason why Trump is the only president in American history facing this post-presidential legal trouble.
Nixon faced the same, until he was pardoned. And even then he had to testify.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/21/2024 @ 1:46 pmTrump’s idea about Social Security also won’t pass. The real response to him is to demand that 100% of the income tax on SS benefits go to the trust fund, not just 50%.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/21/2024 @ 1:48 pmNeither did Trump. It was a question!
It was a moronic question.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/21/2024 @ 1:50 pmFor illegal alien parents, you’d have to implausibly claim that they’re outside of US law, like diplomats and certain Native tribes. That just won’t fly.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/21/2024 @ 1:53 pmRIP Navajo code talker John Kinsel Sr. (107):
There now only two remaining Navajo code talkers.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/21/2024 @ 2:00 pmThat last gets you into the question of if there is a near one to one correlation between the number of people looking for work and the number of jobs that exist. The answer is yes, but as the apocryphal Marxist professors say, that works in practice, but how does it work in theory?
Now the thing is that Trump knows the jobs paradox is untrue.
https://www.wsj.com/opinion/donald-trump-the-bully-with-a-heart-of-gold-2024-presidential-election-dd922dd6
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 10/21/2024 @ 2:00 pmTrump said, about amnesty for illegal immigrants:
Not the way he’s strengthened the feelings of the Republican Party about this.
He can get them without amnesty by providing a different way to qualify.
And the question is: Does he want to try to condition liberalization on enforcement – enforcement first or does he believe like W did that the only way to get enforcement is liberalization.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 10/21/2024 @ 2:05 pm417. They say if you are afraid to ask a stupid question you’ll never learn anything
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 10/21/2024 @ 2:06 pmExcept he doesn’t and doesn’t. He doesn’t know what a paradox is, he doesn’t know that tariffs are taxes, he doesn’t know anything about social security, about how the trust fund works, and doesn’t want legal immigration either. How could we know, if only he had a previous term that we could examine and a playbook for round 2.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/21/2024 @ 2:09 pm412. Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/21/2024 @ 1:42 pm
It’s scheduled to take place automatically whenever the trust fund runs out (but less than 33%)
Congress won’t let it happen
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 10/21/2024 @ 2:10 pmThe best guess is more of the dame until it runs into practical difficulties or he reverses himself which he won’t want to do. But it all depends on public opinion
I think he knows he is wrong except maybe when it comes to tariffs.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 10/21/2024 @ 2:13 pmThey are stupid. There are stupid questions, mainly coming from stupid people. No one bothered to check if injecting disinfectant was possible…because, duh!!!
No one thought of sending the infected to Antarctica and leaving them, no one thought about dissolving them in hydrochloric acid or shooting them into the sun.
No one thought of using a Horse drug on people either, but some morons started touting it and other morons started taking it, and other morons started amplifying it. What is the common denominator?
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/21/2024 @ 2:16 pmKevin M (a9545f) — 10/21/2024 @ 8:27 am
I thought before the 1992 election that if he was elected, Bill Clinton would probably be impeached, but it took 5 years – and then it was for something minor, and it failed to remove him from office.
They were speculating/predicting that Kamala would take over in the middle of Biden’s term.
You did too, except that you said it would be after January 20, 2023 so she could serve 10 years.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 10/21/2024 @ 2:20 pmMusk should lay off all the weed, mushrooms, and Ketamine.
That last part is pretty iffy on the legality.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/21/2024 @ 2:54 pmI wonder if Musk exposed himself to the same kinds of penalties as Fox and Newsmax with Dominion. He’s got deeper pockets and malice can be shown, so maybe Dominion is a great investment vehicle, they don’t even have to sell stuff, just keep getting hundreds of millions from MAGA.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/21/2024 @ 2:56 pmMusk suggested that electronic voting machines had the power to rig the election
This is actually true, in a narrow sense. Saying that they do, or did, is actionable, but saying they could be programmed that way is factual.
Expressing suspicion at some results is not actionable either. The 2020 ballot-counting in PA was so poorly reported by the counters in real time (constantly asserting N ballots to go, then increasing that number several times) that it would be easy to have questions.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/21/2024 @ 3:23 pmRepublican election protection team tells its members to challenge voters with hispanic sounding names. Question their citizenship. (cbs news) Maybe latinx planning to vote for trump will be scared away!
asset (2b417a) — 10/21/2024 @ 3:24 pmOne thing that I object to in nearly all reporting of Trump’s claims about the 2020 election is that they are baseless. They maybe be untrue, or fraudulent, or a willful lie, but there is some basis to them (e.g. the provenance of mailed ballots is less certain than that of in-person ballots, or pointing to confused reporting by election officials as evidence of malfeasance).
Saying they are baseless allows Trump to point at some basis and claim he has disproved the narrative.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/21/2024 @ 3:28 pmMaybe latinx planning to vote for trump will be scared away!
No one who refers to themselves as “Latinx” will be voting for Trump.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/21/2024 @ 3:30 pmWhat is the evidence to support this “basis”? Barr said it was a clean election, Krebs said it was a clean election, two investigations paid for by Trump showed no evidence of serious fraud. Every court case that considered submitted evidence was tossed out for lack of “basis”. All of the post-inauguration lawsuits found no “basis” to support fraud. CyberNinjas was a months-long running joke.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/21/2024 @ 3:56 pmIt’s been almost four years, Kevin, and you’re still swayed by a fraud and his army of election liars and deniers.
What is the evidence to support this “basis”?
There is a basis to Greek Mythology. There is a basis to Genesis. Does not mean they are true, or even undisputed. Saying something is baseless says that there is NO evidence, even if it is uncompelling.
OJ’s assertion that he was innocent was not “baseless.”
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/21/2024 @ 4:01 pmIt’s been almost four years, Kevin, and you’re still swayed by a fraud and his army of election liars and deniers.
Oh, F you, Paul. I said no such thing. I said that the claims had a basis. Not that the claims were true or remotely convincing.
Basis: “the underlying support or foundation for an idea, argument, or process.” Baseless then means there is utterly no single piece of evidence. Not even Mark Furman on OJ’s side of the argument.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/21/2024 @ 4:04 pmSaying something false (baseless) in reporting something true (Trump’s claims are lies) is an unforced error.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/21/2024 @ 4:06 pmOn my part, this has not been a bad thread. I learned two things about Trump supporters.
They’re happy that there will be a job for Donnie at McDonald’s, but they’re not sure how they feel that he has seen a grown man naked. He’s such a sensitive child.
nk (7660c3) — 10/21/2024 @ 4:30 pmI know you said that, which is why I asked you what evidence you had to support it. What swayed you to believe something otherwise?
BTW, Oxford defines basis as “the underlying support or foundation for an idea, argument, or process”.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/21/2024 @ 4:46 pmIn that regard, what is your underlying support or foundation for “Trump’s claims about the 2020 election”?
Try to answer without an “F you” or some other kind of emotional outburst.
https://tomklingenstein.com/tim-walz-says-he-wants-to-destroy-america/
Supporting the Harris-Walz regime is to want to destroy America. They make it clear.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 10/21/2024 @ 4:48 pmAlso, I didn’t say “baseless”, so I don’t know why you’re ragging on me for something I didn’t say. Maybe take a nap or something.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/21/2024 @ 4:49 pm> Musk should lay off all the weed, mushrooms, and Ketamine.
This does not appear to me to be the behavior or mindset that would be induced by weed or mushrooms. (ketamine i can’t comment on).
aphrael (9c2ac5) — 10/21/2024 @ 4:51 pmhttps://townhall.com/tipsheet/miacathell/2024/10/21/nathan-wade-transcript-n2646512
Leftists project their own sins upon their political opponents. When they claim Trump will target them if elected, it’s because that’s what they are doing to Trump.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 10/21/2024 @ 4:52 pmThese endless discussions of the Loser’s psychiatric problems have imposed considerable opportunity costs on us. We find it more and more difficult to find the time to have serious discussions.
For example, the shape of the navy in the coming years. James Stavridis, who knows a little about the navy, has some thoughts on the subject, that we should be considering, now.
(Links omitted.)
Jim Miller (d55e2e) — 10/21/2024 @ 4:55 pmDecades ago, both parties had leaders that could discuss defense problems, seriously. Now?
The weed is for the weird chuckles, the mushrooms for the weird visions, and the ketamine for lowing his inhibitions to go out and talk while under the influence of the first two.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/21/2024 @ 5:07 pmI will try to put this simply, in the hopes that you can understand it, paul.
A basis for a statement is not proof of that statement. It is simply a factoid that argues in its favor, like “Mark Furman is a racist, so OJ is innocent.” It may not convince. It may not offer much support. It may even be silly beyond words. But it is a basis, just as “lightning” is a basis for believing in Thor.
No where in that definition does it say it is proof. Just “support.”
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/21/2024 @ 5:09 pmAlso, I didn’t say “baseless”, so I don’t know why you’re ragging on me for something I didn’t say. Maybe take a nap or something.
I didn’t way you did. Why did you think I did. I was referring to the MSM refrain, using “baseless” when they mean “unconvincing.”
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/21/2024 @ 5:12 pmAs for naps, you seem to be on everyone’s bad side today.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/21/2024 @ 5:12 pmhttps://nypost.com/2024/10/21/us-news/ben-shapiro-says-harris-passed-over-josh-shapiro-for-vp-because-hes-a-pro-israel-jew-her-pro-hamas-voters-dislike/
You know it’s true.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 10/21/2024 @ 5:13 pmHe provided the evidence in the original post. You may not find it compelling, irrefutable, or exculpatory, but it is evidence.
Sorry.
SaveFarris (8664e3) — 10/21/2024 @ 5:29 pmNo, just the MAGAs, and you know who they are. Interesting that “swayed” triggered you.
Because you brought up “baseless” in your reply, several times over, even though I never brought it up.
This is the third time I’m asking…you said there “some basis” for “Trump’s claims about the 2020 election”. What is the underlying support or foundation for such claims? I really don’t know why you’re so defensive or evasive or trying throw this back on me. It’s just a question.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/21/2024 @ 5:38 pmA couple of interesting articles about drone defense:
And
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/21/2024 @ 5:41 pmExcept it isn’t evidence, it’s allegation, supported by…basically bupkes. This has been a problem with Cult Orange Jesus ever since he started his Big Lie, mistaking allegations as evidence.
Evidence: “the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/21/2024 @ 5:43 pmAllegation: “a claim or assertion that someone has done something illegal or wrong, typically one made without proof.”
–Oxford Dictionary
Related:
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/21/2024 @ 5:58 pmHi Paul
COVID disruptions
Obliteration of ID requirements
Chain of custody broken- first Presidential Election to allow ballot harvesting
There was ample evidence of chain of custody issues with ballots-opportunity to cheat- and the FBI/DOJ looked at it for 4 weeks and alleged no widespread illegality. The “proof” typically was found in assertions similar to “we looked and we didn’t find…” which seemed odd to attentive students of human behavior and begged the questions:
We are talking about humans involved in a hyper-passionate enterprise in a hyper partisan environment where opportunities abound- correct?
Follow up question please- how hard did you look?
I dismiss the FBI/DOJ claims as unprovable either way because the DOJ/FBI evidence depends on me believing them- and I do not.
My dismissal isn’t proof of anything, except of my thought that there is a slick ooze running in some of the halls at DOJ. I’m not trying to convince anyone there was proof of cheating or justify Jan6
I think that the basis for belief there was no cheating is that the DOJ/FBI is a trustworthy institution, and a honest broker of information. Disbelief the converse. Others choose to be agnostic and situational.
Intelligent well meaning people can trust, distrust, and be agnostic towards the FBI/DOJ.
steveg (04876c) — 10/21/2024 @ 7:30 pmThis is where we depart, steve, because there were ample allegations, not evidence.
This is burden-shifting. The onus is on the parties who are alleging fraud. It’s on you to prove, not me to disprove. I accept the certified results from all 3,143 counties in America, where those elections offices concluded that the votes were fairly and accurately tabulated.
Nevertheless, I have looked into scores–maybe hundreds–of allegations of fraud and other malfeasance for the last 47 months, and hardly any have panned out. To date, I have no reason, no factual evidence, to change my conclusion that there’s no evidence of serious fraud.
What do I mean my serious fraud? That there were enough fraudulent or illegitimate ballots that could’ve altered the outcome in any single state. But to win the Electoral College, Trump needed at least three states.
The fact is that there were fraudulent ballots, but they numbered in the hundreds, but Trump needed thousands or tens of thousands, and most or all of them had to go his way, which isn’t real. The reality is that the fraudulent ballots were fairly bipartisan. Just look at the ballot fraud at The Villages, for example.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/21/2024 @ 8:02 pmThere has been proven systematic attempted fraud in the election or election aftermath.
Guess by whom.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/21/2024 @ 8:21 pmI would like some MAGAs to tell me how great Trump has been in his campaign events the last few weeks.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/21/2024 @ 8:34 pmBe specific
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/21/2024 @ 8:34 pm“Arnold Palmer was all man, and I say that in all due respect to women — and I love women[eww]. But this guy, this guy, this is a guy that was all man. This man was strong and tough. And I refuse to say it, but when he took showers with the other pros, they came out of there, they said, ‘Oh my God, that’s unbelievable.'”
12 minutes…
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/21/2024 @ 8:55 pmWe’re now in a simulation. This is all an episode of Black Mirror.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/21/2024 @ 9:14 pmBTW, the two docs on the Israeli response was widely distributed. Not just the US, but all Five Eyes partners, so unless they used some standard anti-espionage selective word choices in the reports, then it will be hard to find out who leaked it. The largest users of Telegram are India, Russia, and Europe then America.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/21/2024 @ 9:23 pmI would like to note that ballots to members of the military overseas go through military mail and are distributed at the overseas secure military facility into the hands of the serving member of the military. They are returned to the US by someone who has access to the secure military facility who gives them to the secured military post office to return to the states through military mail. The identity of the person receiving the mail is very very very checked and the identity of their dependents are very very checked. They have to check your fingerprints when you work for the school system. At the time I had mine done it could take up to 2 weeks. Mine cleared same-day.
Nic (120c94) — 10/21/2024 @ 10:14 pmRace car drivers Danica Patrick and Hailie Deegan are supporting trump just like hanna reitsch supported hitler landing on a street near hitler’s bunker in april 1945. I have the misfortune of being big fans of both. I sure hope Isabella Robusto and Chloe Chambers stay out of politics.
asset (37a90e) — 10/21/2024 @ 11:17 pmMyrmecophAGA sustain themselves through volume. The hairless orange breed with innumerable piddly little lies and hogwash that are just too exhausting and tedious to be addressed individually.
nk (7660c3) — 10/22/2024 @ 3:30 am464 I think they were publicly posted in order not to leave clues as to who was running the spy network.
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 10/22/2024 @ 3:59 amOverruled by the US> Supreme Court in 1972 I think, which reduced it to 30 days. But even with 30 days you can have the issue.
I think the whole idea possibly behind the lawsuit is, if they were to win, to later ask for the whole election to be thrown out and have the Michigan state legislature pick the electors, but so far they are cautious about asking and it’s too early.
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 10/22/2024 @ 4:08 amJon Stewart, on the absurdity and menace of it all.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/22/2024 @ 4:12 amSame *trump*, different year.
nk (7660c3) — 10/22/2024 @ 4:14 amIt’s been Russia, Russia, Russia since 2015, and there is a basis for it, based on evidence, not allegation.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/22/2024 @ 5:30 amKamala has a scripted townhhall with “pre-determined questions. ” Nary a peep from the usual suspects.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 10/22/2024 @ 5:42 am@460
Since I’m a bit of an Eeyore about both campaigns, the thing I think with Trump’s campaign that seems to be resonating, or at least creating enthusiasms is that Trump truly enjoys the “game” of politicking.
Harris, on the other hand, is mirthless. She comes across as a communist political commissar off to ruin some poor schmuck’s life at a struggle session. I’d hazard that she’s worse at this than HRC, she’s just that entirely unappealing.
At this stage of the game that, more than anything else, is looking like the kiss of death.
whembly (477db6) — 10/22/2024 @ 6:05 am@473
So what you’re saying is that the “fake townhall” was a “stunt”?
Should we be clutching pearls or nah?
whembly (477db6) — 10/22/2024 @ 6:08 amGood story on the “analyst” who blew the whistle on Trump’s “perfect call” with Zelenskyy. There’s a slightly better than 50% chance that this chaos will return to the White House.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/22/2024 @ 6:28 amHow is the British Labour Party sending people to campaign for Kamala legal?
NJRob (eb56c3) — 10/22/2024 @ 7:04 amWhy is cattle rustling illegal and dry leaves rustling is not?
nk (b465bf) — 10/22/2024 @ 7:24 am@477
meh…
Hadn’t care about what the redcoats thinks since 1776.
whembly (477db6) — 10/22/2024 @ 7:29 amThey’ve got nothing whembly. They’re out of gas(lighting) and lies.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 10/22/2024 @ 8:36 amGood Enough for Russia, why not England (or the EU) or Japan, India, China…..
Joe (584b3d) — 10/22/2024 @ 8:57 amQuote:
So if they can scare up a sub-$1,000 fare across the pond, then it’s kosher, but it doesn’t sound worth it to me.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/22/2024 @ 9:21 amhttps://x.com/IDF/status/1848436265143677104
Brilliant move by the IDF to show where these terrorists are hiding their millions as well as the access locations to their terrorist “vault.”
NJRob (eb56c3) — 10/22/2024 @ 9:48 amElection Interference:
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/22/2024 @ 10:10 amDid she spend 12 minutes talking about Willy’s willy?
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/22/2024 @ 10:14 amSo a selling point on Trump is likes to play the “game” of politics. OK, he does, but substance has to account for something, and what he says has to matter more than how good of a time he’s having saying nothing.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/22/2024 @ 10:16 amhttps://x.com/Heminator/status/1848734660722823263
More from the plagiarist Kamala.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 10/22/2024 @ 10:53 amReally, REALLY hard to make this argument if Harris is on the other side of the ballot.
Impossible, even.
SaveFarris (79ab12) — 10/22/2024 @ 11:13 amCue the Jeffersons theme song, because Freeman-Moss are moving on up.
Never go Full Trump. It’ll cost.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/22/2024 @ 12:02 pm476.
Nothing that intelligent was going on.
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 10/22/2024 @ 12:44 pmI found from minute 50 on to be the most interesting
https://cafe.com/stay-tuned/trump-mueller-report-interference-zebley-goldstein/
They did say that when choosing their team they did not discriminate over politics but thought in retrospect that person(s) “overly interested” in a particular outcome could have not been picked. Someone in the background mumbles “andrew”
Zebley had been Mueller’s Chief of Staff and was known for being meticulous and principled- and despised by Weismann because of that. I am not a fan of Weismann and think less of people who choose to use people like him
On the podcast, they were talking about conspiracy in the context of Trump in a speech asking Putin to send him the Clinton emails, and how almost immediately Clinton’s servers were attacked, and how they did not find that to meet all the criteria of criminal conspiracy- but instead found it to be “call and response”. They must not have had enough evidence of background communication to back up criminal conspiracy.
Both were unhappy with Bill Barr, and I can see their point
They stopped talking to Giuliani right away and only engaged with the more principled people on Trumps team- again, I see their point. He went from America’s Mayor to abject buffoon in the span of two decades
steveg (04876c) — 10/22/2024 @ 1:06 pm#487
Do remember that, like any politician’s book, Kamela’s book was ghostwritten. (There is a co-writer credit on the front of the book) So the role Kamela had in any plagiarism is obscure. It may be Kamela told a story, and the ghostwrier took notes, and then used the plagiarised langage to format the story Kamela told.
Most of writing I see on this issue (the New York Post being the exception) simply ignores that Kamela used a ghost.
Appalled (86b803) — 10/22/2024 @ 1:21 pm“I need the kind of generals that Hitler had. People who were totally loyal to him, that follow orders.”
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/22/2024 @ 1:38 pmBut didn’t Kamala have approval on the book? (just like someone who gives a speech has approval of the words. But then in that case, they at least read them.)
I know Donald Trump has been accused or suspected of not having read some of the books that he “wrote.”
There’s the implication that the whole anecdote she tells was made up as far as her role is concerned. The X-Twitter post doesn’t carry the story further past the extreme plagiarism so we don’t know how if Kamala Harris tried to connect herself in any way to the story of “Kelly” getting away from her pimp. Is it supposed to be motivation for something Kamala Harris did?
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 10/22/2024 @ 1:44 pmTrump’s been sued by the Central Park Five because he said in his debate with Kamala Harris that they pled guilty – and also that her woman who was raped later died.
In reality, they confessed but they never pled guilty and the woman did not die, though the fact she was expected to die had a lot to do with the boys confessing to something less serious (not realizing that admitting to helping a rape would make them guilty of rape) and also with Trump placing the advertisement in 1989 advocating the return of the death penalty (The ad never mentioned any specific crime.)
What elicited the confessions was the “Prisoner’s Dilemma” plus the fact they had probably really done some things that were wrong. hey all believed that someone among them had really raped the jogger. They had been assaulting people.
Some boys that were interrogated never confessed to knowing anything about it and they were never charged.
I think Trump saying they pled guilty and that the woman died might be evidence of a bad memory although the situation has been brought up before somewhat recently and he should know there’s a difference between confessing and pleading guilty. I think their reputation was not harmed very much, if at all, by Trump’s words since they are in a position to can correct it and he never mentioned any names.
It’s a public controversy – and it’s not liker anybody who knows them is likely to believe Trump is right. Trump should just be given a chance to correct himself ad he may genuinely not understand they have not a shred of guilt there.
DNA proved that a man they did not know was the rapist. The problem was that the Central Park jogger had o memory of the assault so it could have been by a bunch of people.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 10/22/2024 @ 1:59 pmThat’s damning of his cognitive abilities.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/22/2024 @ 2:01 pmReckless disregard of the truth is, for Trump, a distant and unattainable horizon. He’ll say anything that suits his purpose at the moment without any regard whatsoever for the truth. And I think that a New York jury will see it the same way too.
nk (b465bf) — 10/22/2024 @ 2:12 pmsteveg (04876c) — 10/22/2024 @ 1:06 pm
In a press conference on July 11, 2016, a few days after the Wikileaks leaks, , in answer to a question, and it was to make them public.. In this scenario, the Russians already had the emails that Hillary had deleted.
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/trump-putin-no-relationship-226282
Trump later said that was a joke.
The emails were thought deleted, although it later turned out many were on Anthony Weiner’s laptop computer (The FBI later conducted a search without any human eyes seeing them so they couldn’t find anything new and surprising)
There wasn’t any. Trump clearly was not in communication with Russia if he had to make such a statement publicly. It is not clear if there was a special extra effort made by Russia. But again, they were supposedly all deleted, so Trump’s request for Russia to “find” it was impossible.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 10/22/2024 @ 2:13 pmI said there were pro-Hamas spies in Israel. There’s been an arrest but of spies for Hezbollah.
From an email newsletter:
Those would have been other spies. I think they had inside information on the Nova music festival
Probably caught after the fact, for Iran to to assess damage
And they probably didn’t really feel Jewish and some may even have not been by religious standards.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 10/22/2024 @ 2:23 pmKevin M (a9545f) — 10/21/2024 @ 5:12 pm
Too many in the MSM think they have to mention that something is false or unfounded. That does not help.
I think by “baseless” they mean something stronger than “unconvincing.”
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 10/22/2024 @ 2:29 pmPaul Montagu @482. The whole thing is an independent expenditure. By the British Labour Party.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 10/22/2024 @ 2:32 pm453. Both the lasers and the ultrasound sound interesting and low cost and worth having but they are both defenses of last resort.
The laser is more versatile, but might nit work in cloudy situations where the attacker is using GPS. The ultrasound device would maybe work in more situations but has to be fine tuned to the particular missile and if the enemy gets a new or different missile it won’t work till they can create or modify a ultrasound. But there are only a limited number of missile possibilities.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 10/22/2024 @ 2:37 pmMaduro’s claim that he won the Venezuelan presidential election really was baseless.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 10/22/2024 @ 2:39 pmThe Dominion machines can’t flip votes but the readers can be set to count Biden votes as Trump votes and Trump votes as Biden votes and the like.
That would be obvious if it happened.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 10/22/2024 @ 2:41 pmHere’s a Republican we can all support.
Her personal story should touch everyone’s heart.
We need many more like her.
For the record: I am not rich, but will be sending her a small donation.
Jim Miller (a70e1c) — 10/22/2024 @ 2:43 pmDemocrat party trump is a threat to democracy! He might fix primaries like we have been doing to prevent Sanders and RFK jr. from getting the nomination or prevent political opponents like Jill Stein from getting on the ballot.
asset (61ca9d) — 10/22/2024 @ 3:29 pmLatest usa today suffolk poll latinx voters harris 38% trump 49% and 29% blacks support trump.
asset (61ca9d) — 10/22/2024 @ 3:36 pmDo remember that her speeches as AG aren’t from her book. Click the link.
Thanks.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 10/22/2024 @ 3:53 pmDid she plagiarize modern day Nazis?
It’s weird that he’s never heard of Hitler before.
Or that he evolved his positions that now his words are so well aligned.
Seems to be kind of a bad thing, regardless of how you get to the “poisoning the blood of our country” bit.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/22/2024 @ 4:09 pmSimilar to the long NYT piece on all of Trump’s scandals, The Atlantic covers the long litany of Trump’s involvement with the military. This one is new…
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/22/2024 @ 4:32 pmKlink’s trolling is getting worse. But when you’re trying to excuse Kamala’s disastrous actions, I guess it’s to be expected.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 10/22/2024 @ 4:37 pmNah, that’s not trolling. This is trolling:
To compare Trump’s sensibilities with those of a gorilla whose head had been in violent contact with a variety of blunt instruments during its formative years would be risking the justifiable resentment of any gorilla whose head had been in violent contact with a variety of blunt instruments during its formative years.
nk (b465bf) — 10/22/2024 @ 4:49 pmGeorgia still on my mind:
The rules that have been put on hold are:
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/22/2024 @ 4:58 pmI notice that no MAGAts actually refute Trump’s saying all these things. It’s just bad that someone points out that Trump’s saying all of these things.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/22/2024 @ 5:04 pmDonald Trump files legal complaint against UK Labour Party over help for Kamala Harris
The FEC (if it accepts the complaint) will get around to this in about two years.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/22/2024 @ 5:05 pmHer sister has already come out and denied the entire Atlantic article.
https://x.com/JerryDunleavy/status/1848831417012392116
Once again, Goldberg has been caught lying again. Paula gonna want to rethink his lecture about baseless allegations…
SaveFarris (fee06a) — 10/22/2024 @ 5:08 pmEveryone named in the strong denies it. The only three that don’t are Goldberg and his “anonymous sources”.
SaveFarris (6139a3) — 10/22/2024 @ 5:09 pmFYI: I voted for every Republican on the ballot, save for the guy at the top. Voted LP for the third election in a row.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/22/2024 @ 5:16 pmFalse. She objected that Goldberg brought up her sister. She didn’t object to the content.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/22/2024 @ 5:25 pmThe criminally indicted Meadows denied the content, but he’s a lying sh-tbag who worked directly under a lying sh-tbag. Goldberg cited “two people present at the meeting”.
“President Donald Trump did nothing but show respect to my family & Vanessa.” sounds like an objection to the content.
In addition to Meadows, there is also the Guillen family lawyer and 2 other Trump staffers, all who deny it on the record.
Goldberg has yet to provide a shred of evidence to back up his “baseless” charge.
SaveFarris (bbbd8e) — 10/22/2024 @ 5:33 pmFarris, the family lawyer wasn’t in the room when Trump said he wouldn’t spend “$60,000 bucks to bury a f–king Mexican”. Nor was Guillen. Goldberg used standard journalistic practice, getting two sources for that story.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/22/2024 @ 5:45 pmStandard journalistic practice is to not use anonymous sources, and to name them when every other person in the room denies the story on the record.
Standard journalistic practice is also not to completely change an in the record comment.
https://x.com/_WilliamsonBen/status/1848848591961338197
The story is still baseless.
SaveFarris (fee06a) — 10/22/2024 @ 6:07 pmThe “anonymous” source is Donald Trump’s mouth.
BTW, Kelly confirming the things Trump said in private aren’t new, these reports came out in 2015, 16, 17, 18…
Trump speaking about Merkel. “She told me she was amazed at the size of the crowds that came to see me speak, she said she could never get crowds like that. In fact, she told me that there was only one other political leader who ever got crowds as big as mine.”
Trump’s former wife on Trump’s collection of Hitler’s speeches
On Mein Kampf
Now, that was in 1990, so before Trump was so mentally incapacitated, like a typical dementia patient, he might not remember where he heard/read these things, but there’s no denying your eyes and ears, he’s saying it now, he’s been saying it for decades.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/22/2024 @ 6:13 pm@517
Alleging election interference is sort of burying the lede. Democrats are joining forces with Socialists from another country. They’re telling you where they want to take this country if you bother to notice.
lloyd (6f5614) — 10/22/2024 @ 6:49 pmFalse. There wouldn’t have been a Watergate story without them. And there was no “change in record”. The story came out, and Trump’s flying monkeys denied it.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/22/2024 @ 6:50 pmMore from the Atlantic link…
It’s also standard journalistic practice to get the other’s side reaction, which is why you see Pfeiffer’s name come up so much, and it’s obvious to me that he’s been instructed to deny everything.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/22/2024 @ 7:04 pmWell of course he did
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/22/2024 @ 7:04 pmTrump will always side with America’s enemies. He’s at a minimum, he’s a useful idiot; at most, he’s a willing traitor.
But hey, vote MAGA, it will really tick off all the libs, those silly patriotic types, the RINOs, NATO…for the lolz
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/22/2024 @ 7:12 pmHave any of our anti-antis said yet what transgression Trump would have to commit to disqualify him from getting their vote?
lurker (c23034) — 10/22/2024 @ 7:18 pmHere’s why sources all-the-more prefer anonymity in the Trump sphere: All the bullying. There’s a list of 109 whom Trump has threatened since 2022, with receipts.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/22/2024 @ 7:25 pmIt’s not like America First was a thing before…around the beginning of a thing that was pretty important, allying with those German guys that did some bad things.
It’s pure coincidence that the current head of America First keeps quoting Nazi’s, they’re intending completely different meanings.
Complete random chance.
Hey, a swastika is a symbol of Kali, and maybe some other stuff too. That’s why you so many South Asians using it on flags at their houses, it was never turned into something bad.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/22/2024 @ 7:33 pmTrump and Charles Lindbergh, two peas in an America First pod.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/22/2024 @ 7:54 pmKeep blowing on those “Don’t miss next time” dog whistles.
lloyd (23bda3) — 10/22/2024 @ 7:57 pmSo many parallels to today.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/22/2024 @ 8:01 pmMore John Kelly on the old rapey fascist GOP nominee…
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/22/2024 @ 8:08 pmMore John Kelly, an actual American hero. The guy enlisted despite being diagnosed with bone spurs…
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/22/2024 @ 8:13 pmTo Trump, his ego is more important than the Constitution.
“A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution,” he wrote.
Do any of the Trump supporters here care to defend this statement?
norcal (3ea0a6) — 10/22/2024 @ 8:15 pmContinuing…
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/22/2024 @ 8:17 pmWhy does all the MAGAts only hear sounds outside of human hearing, when Trump just says it out loud. You know, specifically saying it may require the military to deal with the “enemy within”, you know, congress…
It’s kind of telling when their charges are coming from the voices in their head.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/22/2024 @ 8:21 pmSpeaking of personal loyalty being everything to Trump, guess who’s on his list for Attorney General if he wins…
Epshteyn is the Moscow-born lawyer in Trump’s inner circle. Undying loyalty to a cult leader has its rewards.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/22/2024 @ 8:23 pmFYI: I voted for every Republican on the ballot, save for the guy at the top. Voted LP for the third election in a row.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/22/2024 @ 5:16 pm
This lifelong Republican voted for Kamala Harris, Jacky Rosen (D) for Senator, and Greg Kidd (I) for Congressman. The only Republican I could vote for was one that couldn’t assist Trump’s bid to be an authoritarian–a county commissioner.
On the propositions, I voted for an open primary, and for requiring voter ID.
norcal (3ea0a6) — 10/22/2024 @ 9:08 pmFascist campaigning, 88 years ago. I wonder what the 1936 equivalent is for “Mr. President, please don’t let the United States become Brazil!”
Nice shades.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/22/2024 @ 9:13 pmThe Harris supporters here are losing their minds.
lloyd (23bda3) — 10/22/2024 @ 9:21 pmRIP 1981 National League Cy Young Award and Rookie of the Year and legendary Dodger pitcher Fernando Valenzuela (63).
Rip Murdock (dc18a3) — 10/22/2024 @ 9:22 pmThis lifelong Republican voted for Kamala Harris, Jacky Rosen (D) for Senator and Greg Kidd (crypto-D) for Congressman
So, when you say “Don’t worry, the House and Senate will stay Republican” I’ll be harsh.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/22/2024 @ 9:27 pmMeanwhile Bill Gates gives $50 million to a “non-profit” that backs Harris. I hope he doesn’t try to take a deduction for that, and didn’t use any Gates Foundation money.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/22/2024 @ 9:29 pmTwo weeks and we’ll know which side says the election was invalid.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/22/2024 @ 9:30 pmLOL! If it weren’t for anonymous sources, most of the major stories of past 50 years would never have been published. Watergate, the Pentagon Papers, NYPD police corruption (think Frank Serpico), government elites with hidden wealth (the Panama Papers), My Lai, etc. all would have been successfully hidden. Most government corruption stories start with anonymous sources.
Rip Murdock (dc18a3) — 10/22/2024 @ 9:31 pmSo, when you say “Don’t worry, the House and Senate will stay Republican” I’ll be harsh.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/22/2024 @ 9:27 pm
I couldn’t risk Trump having a Republican Congress (so afraid of him they will abet his crazy impulses) if he should win.
norcal (3ea0a6) — 10/22/2024 @ 9:32 pmStill far less than what Elon Musk has donated to his own Super PAC in the third quarter ($75M); and to Republican affiliated dark money groups since 2022 ($50M+).
Rip Murdock (dc18a3) — 10/22/2024 @ 9:43 pmMAGAts still can’t find anything about Trump that is actually positive. Other than “for the memes”.
Colonel Klink (ret) (2ea4b0) — 10/22/2024 @ 10:25 pmOwner of LA times orders paper not to endorse for president out of fear of trump. (DU)
asset (f4c659) — 10/22/2024 @ 11:36 pmSanity
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/22/2024 @ 11:41 pm@lloyd@545 You realize the rest of us do in fact read most/all of the other posters here, right? Which means we can see whether or not someone is losing their mind? For serious sometimes you post things that seem flame-warish except this isn’t a site that really does flame-wars, so what is the point?
Nic (120c94) — 10/22/2024 @ 11:47 pmThe parts about Trump being a chaos agent are sane. The parts about him meaning well aren’t. He didn’t try to prevent the peaceful transfer of power out of some benevolent error of judgment. He did it because he’s a malign, demagogic, despot wannabe.
lurker (c23034) — 10/23/2024 @ 12:40 amThis was more about Nikki sounding sane. I get that she hadn’t yet felt the full ‘bird brain’, so she was trying to rise above it and be an adult.
To bad the MAGAGOP doesn’t like it’s folks with an EQ over a 12 year old. She was running for the nomination of a party that didn’t exist any longer.
We’ll see how much she wants power for power’s sake if she agrees to an appearance with Trump in the last 10 days.
Colonel Klink (ret) (36c56f) — 10/23/2024 @ 12:48 amTrump says nikki haley, tulsi gabbard and kristi noem mud wrestle for my favor. Lauren boebert wants to join in.
asset (f4c659) — 10/23/2024 @ 2:37 amDoes any Trump voter here doubt that Kelly’s factual account is accurate, and Trump’s denial is a lie?
lurker (c23034) — 10/23/2024 @ 4:17 amAnd this was BuDuh-approved “balanced site“.
Fair point…
There’s a perspective that’s pretty out of whack.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/23/2024 @ 4:58 amI couldn’t risk Trump having a Republican Congress (so afraid of him they will abet his crazy impulses) if he should win.
Even if he does not win. The Cleansing cannot pause at Trump.
nk (fc3559) — 10/23/2024 @ 5:37 amYou’re kidding right? If you put your name to it, you’re fetted as a hero, receive book deals and a lifetime contributor slot on CNN/MSNBC.
Kelly
Cheney
Hutchinson
Cohen
Steele
everyone in the Lincoln Project
Miles Taylor (the “anonymous” guy)
All people who owe their entire careers for opposing Trump on the record.
SaveFarris (79ab12) — 10/23/2024 @ 5:45 am@509
Yeah…no. that’s a junk poll.
Because if that’s true, then Trump is looking at not only an EC win, but winning the popular vote.
It’s going to be a squeaker either way all…
whembly (477db6) — 10/23/2024 @ 6:11 am@531
That the opponent he’s running against isn’t even more disqualifying.
whembly (477db6) — 10/23/2024 @ 6:15 am@542
Why would Judge Cannon want to give up a lifetime tenure for 4 years on the job? No, this is silly.
If Trump were to win, and that’s a big *if*, I’d want Mike Davis as AG.
whembly (477db6) — 10/23/2024 @ 6:17 am@545
It’s only going to get worse till election day. And if the vote goes against their wishes… might not be a bad idea to invest in all the manufacturers that makes Xanax.
whembly (477db6) — 10/23/2024 @ 6:19 am@553
The only positive I see is that he’s not a Democrat.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I’m not seeing any positives, at all, for Harris either.
whembly (477db6) — 10/23/2024 @ 6:21 am@560
Yeah, I very much doubt it.
whembly (477db6) — 10/23/2024 @ 6:23 am@550
The way you know Goldberg’s stories are completely made up is that if his sources actually existed, they wouldn’t stay anonymous.
There’s ZERO risk for someone putting their name on such claims about Trump. They’d immediately be showered with glowing press and cash.
whembly (477db6) — 10/23/2024 @ 6:28 amThe “Trump is disqualified because he’s threatening judicial retribution” crowd is eerily silent today.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/10/22/biden-trump-lock-him-up/
SaveFarris (79ab12) — 10/23/2024 @ 7:16 amHe’s also been indicted for election subversion in the Arizona fake electors case.
Rip Murdock (dc18a3) — 10/23/2024 @ 7:22 amRidiculous and false. As I recall, Liz Cheney rose to #3 in House leadership, and then was fired from House leadership and then fired from her job for dissenting against the rapist fascist.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/23/2024 @ 7:28 amCheney was a rising star, too, given that she was elected to the House in 2016.
I didn’t say Cannon would want the job (and you don’t know either way_, only that she was on Trump’s list for AG, which is true.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/23/2024 @ 7:31 amMike Davis is a right-wing hack who’s all-in for Trump, so he meets Donald’s criteria for the job.
@JVW bruh… our Sweet, Sweet Aloha™ is making news:
whembly (477db6) — 10/23/2024 @ 8:24 amhttps://www.nationalreview.com/news/tulsi-gabbard-joins-republican-party-the-party-of-common-sense/
@574
Fair enough. Again, I’d be very surprised if someone leaves a lifetime position for a job you’d have at most 4 years is all I’m saying.
He’d be no different that AG Garland.
whembly (477db6) — 10/23/2024 @ 8:27 amhttps://www.foxnews.com/us/new-york-supreme-court-reinstates-all-employees-fired-being-unvaccinated-orders-backpay
Some justice for those abused by the government during their climate of fear campaign.
NJRob (017960) — 10/23/2024 @ 8:38 amHer confirmation hearing would be brutal. I could see her as a Supreme Court nominee, though.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/23/2024 @ 9:58 amJVW (d17bc5) — 10/18/2024 @ 9:48 am
No ma’am, your administration wanted Israel to call off their efforts to eradicate Hamas and enter into a truce
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 10/23/2024 @ 10:37 am“Some justice for those abused by the government during their climate of fear campaign.”
This article is 2 years old.
Davethulhu (f2839c) — 10/23/2024 @ 1:25 pmNon-responsive. The opponent is Kamala Harris. What would Trump have to do to lose your vote? We already know that 34 felony convictions isn’t enough. Trying to destroy the cornerstone of our constitutional republic (overturning a free and fair election) isn’t either. Expressing derision for our fallen heroes, and love for his “very special” supporters who attacked Capital police? Nope. Betraying our allies while declaring his admiration for the world’s most infamous tyrants, who, by the way, are America’s enemies? Still nope. Paying off his adulterous porn star consort? Peeping on undressed teen beauty contestants? Sexualizing his own daughter? Bragging about grabbing pu$$y? Adjudicated sexual assault? I guess not. More lies, frauds and scams than anyone can count? Don’t make me laugh.
So what would it take? Murder? Pedophilia? In those cases, I assume he’d still get your vote until a final non-appealable verdict was rendered, a process that would probably take years beyond his term in office? Would even that final verdict suffice if the judge was appointed by a democrat or the jury sat in a blue jurisdiction?
Does it need to be said that if a Democrat committed any of those or the dozens of Trump’s other prominent moral transgressions, you’d find it disqualifying? I know I would. I thought what Bill Clinton did was disqualifying. Didn’t you? And he was a paragon of virtue next to Trump. So seriously, what would it take for this piece of sh1t to lose your vote?
lurker (c23034) — 10/23/2024 @ 4:31 pmlurker (c23034) — 10/23/2024 @ 4:31 pm
Here is what any possible answer will amount to:
I don’t care what Trump does. He talks about policies I like.
norcal (c90797) — 10/23/2024 @ 4:49 pmWhat are the top ten policies that Kamala talks about that you really like, norcal?
BuDuh (e63962) — 10/23/2024 @ 4:52 pmAll policy disagreements are on hold until after we save the Constitution from Donald Trump.
norcal (c90797) — 10/23/2024 @ 5:21 pmThe only Kamala Harris policy I care about is this:
Nothing more is necessary.
nk (96f0e8) — 10/23/2024 @ 5:30 pmRIP Ron Ely (86), TV’s Tarzan.
Rip Murdock (69aa54) — 10/23/2024 @ 7:47 pmAs I just said in the other thread, I suspect it’s more about tribe than policy, at least for the hard-core anti-antis.
lurker (c23034) — 10/23/2024 @ 11:06 pmIn other non-surprising news, the Russian terrorist state is aiding the Houthi terrorists, using the Iranian terrorist regime as a conduit.
In a previous interview, Trump still could not or would not blame Putin for criminally invading a sovereign neighbor, instead blaming the victim (Zelenskyy) and America, so there’s no reason he would blame Putin for enabling Middle Eastern terrorists.
Paul Montagu (7d8750) — 10/24/2024 @ 4:39 pmI could see her as a Supreme Court nominee, though.
It would take two R’s to block.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/24/2024 @ 4:50 pmAll policy disagreements are on hold until after we save the Constitution from Donald Trump.
Not only has that argument failed, but the lack of Harris’s actual policies (amongst her many disavowals) is making that argument hard to maintain, even with people who don’t like Trump.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/24/2024 @ 4:52 pmWhy would they do so? I don’t see a Republican Senate opposing a Trump Supreme Court nominee.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/24/2024 @ 5:21 pmTrump loves him some Putin less than Biden Harris
Russia gives Houthi’s targeting data on Western ships in Red Sea and Biden/Harris not only didn’t say anything, they didn’t do anything either
https://sourcingjournal.com/topics/logistics/russia-houthis-attacks-red-sea-suez-canal-satellite-data-container-shipping-trade-freight-rates-maersk-hapag-lloyd-india-1234721657/
steveg (e2b12d) — 10/24/2024 @ 5:38 pmAs long as Mitch McConnell is in the Senate, Trump’s nominees have to get his approval.
steveg (e2b12d) — 10/24/2024 @ 5:44 pmCannon nomination would be shelved by the most powerful person in the Republican room.
If Trump wins, he will take office with a list- I’m sure McConnell has his own list and she isn’t on it.
No more sweepstakes:
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/24/2024 @ 5:44 pmMcConnell was an absolute beast working judges through the system and putting butts into seats during the Trump years
steveg (e2b12d) — 10/24/2024 @ 5:45 pmMcConnell will be a has been backbencher in the next Congress-someone else will be the Republican leader (Thune, Cornyn, or ?).
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/24/2024 @ 5:49 pmRequiring non-candidate petition signers to be registered voters is likely unconstitutional — the first amendment gives all RESIDENTS of the United States to petition the government. They do not need a permit.
The sole reason to demand someone be a registered voter is to allow the orderly conduct of elections, and signing a petition for redress of grievances has nothing to do with voting.
Musk should damn them to file charges.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/24/2024 @ 5:50 pmMcConnell will be a has been backbencher in the next Congress-someone else will be the Republican leader (Thune, Cornyn, or ?).
So what? Even if he carries ONE additional Senator, it will be enough.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/24/2024 @ 5:51 pmAlways ready with the non-sequitur?
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/24/2024 @ 5:51 pmThe claim was that as long as McConnell was in the Senate, Trump’s nominees would need his approval. But McConnell will be Senator with the same power as any other Senator; he will lose his influence as party leader.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/24/2024 @ 6:00 pmThat ain’t gonna be McConnell. And I don’t see McConnell voting against Aileen Cannon for the Supreme Court. Why would he? At his core he is a party loyalist.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/24/2024 @ 6:02 pmThe claim was that as long as McConnell was in the Senate, Trump’s nominees would need his approval.
And they would. He, along with Murkowski and Collins comprise the “swing” bloc and they can stop anyone they choose. Don’t need no flipping badges.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/24/2024 @ 6:11 pmWhy would he? At his core he is a party loyalist.
Perhaps, but he’s not a Trump loyalist. There’s a difference.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/24/2024 @ 6:12 pmSo vote for the commie, it’s important.
Sounds like you’d vote for Mao or Stalin to stop Trump.
NJRob (19ab23) — 10/24/2024 @ 6:13 pmWhy would they do so? I don’t see a Republican Senate opposing a Trump Supreme Court nominee.
Pick Cannon and find out. Harriet Miers had better credentials.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/24/2024 @ 6:16 pm