Trump Is Convincing No One With His Lies
[guest post by Dana]
A voter asked the former president why he should support him in the November election. This was the best the former president could come up with:
Voter: I am a Republican that’s no longer registered. Your inaction during your presidency was a little disturbing to me. What happened during January 6th and the fact that you waited so long to take action while your supporters were attacking the Capitol. Coronavirus, I thought… pic.twitter.com/Z6JFVUouZX
— Acyn (@Acyn) October 17, 2024
Given that this was a golden opportunity for Trump to vigorously explain why he is worth the man’s vote, do you think he was successful in his efforts? Do you think the man was convinced by Trump’s half-truths and flat-out lies as he avoided answering the specific questions he was asked??
If you do, please explain the “how” and “why” of your view.
Oh, and about that “day of love” Trump blathered about, consider reality:
They almost loved me to death.
— Staff Sergeant Gonell, Aquilino (@SergeantAqGo) October 17, 2024
—Dana
I think we need to see Trump himself in action. IMHO, everytime he opens his mouth, he provides yet more reasons why *not* to vote for him.
Dana (cbd25e) — 10/16/2024 @ 9:04 pmMore importantly, Dana, we need to hear Trump’s answers in their entirety. No more sane-washing and no more selective editing.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/16/2024 @ 9:15 pm@2 Paul, did CBS provide the full Kamala transcript yet?
lloyd (137446) — 10/16/2024 @ 9:43 pmWhy hasn’t Harris closed the deal then?
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/16/2024 @ 10:12 pmI am voting for Jill Stein to punish democrat party. ;but I can give you the why he gets votes. He hates the same people they hate and they mostly agree with his populism. Its that simple.
asset (fd8f37) — 10/16/2024 @ 10:19 pmYou had hundreds of thousands of people come to Washington. They didn’t come because of me, they came because of the election, so Some of those people went down to the Capitol — I said, ‘peacefully and patriotically.’ Nothing done wrong. At all. Nothing done wrong.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/16/2024 @ 11:58 pmThey coulnd’t get me because of the fact that I said, ‘peacefully and patriotically.’
Acoustics-Mike (9e40f1) — 10/17/2024 @ 1:21 amHe hates the same people they hate
That is absolutely correct, asset.
and they mostly agree with his populism.
I would say he makes them comfortable in their multi-generational existence as the Third World in the heart of America. They like the Juju of 21st century technology but their ethos is still sod shanties and linsey-woolsey.
nk (bf0c98) — 10/17/2024 @ 3:47 amHow can Trump supporters accept that as an answer? Also, why hasn’t this question been asked at each and every rally from the moment Trump announced that he was running? If advisers who worked with Trump on a day-to-day basis consider him dangerous, a threat to national security, and a fascist, then how can that NOT matter?
I’m sorry, but simply saying this is “baked in” is the biggest dodge of responsibility. There’s something wrong with a voter’s ethics and reasoning if they don’t care that a President could have ended a riot with a single tweet and instead chose to watch the violence….not even checking in on the security of his Vice President or coordinating with his national security folks. It’s staggeringly incompetent and any voter who declares “who cares” should explain this. Unfortunately, the answer might amount to: the right people were being chased and made to fear for their lives. Is this who we are?
Another example of ridiculous was last night’s Anderson Cooper interview of former Lt Gov Maldonado. His explanation for why voters should not be swayed by the views of men like Milley, Kelly, Mattis, and McMaster is a historic fail. It’s embarrassing and I almost wished CNN could have cut to commercial to save him. But this is where we are at because of “baked in”….we are allowing bumbling responses to a fundamental question of fitness. Right-wing media has created this permission structure by flooding the zone with misinformation and distractions. We will fail as a country if this is how we self govern….
AJ_Liberty (7ba468) — 10/17/2024 @ 4:27 amThe link to the Maldonado interview had a bad word in it so it got flagged…the word was appropriate
AJ_Liberty (7ba468) — 10/17/2024 @ 4:49 amWith the basis that the post immediately prior to this was about misinformation, it seems imperative to stipulate the following:
A. The questioner is not a “Republican no longer registered”. He is a Kamala activist play-acting as a Republican.
https://x.com/BonillaJL/status/1846748931037823255
B. As has been documented by multiple outlets, Trump “responded” to 1/6 by asking for National Guard assistance prior to the event and was rejected by Nancy Pelosi.
C. More people died of Covid under Biden/Harris’s watch (in a shorter timeframe) than died under Trump.
With the questioner’s entire premise of the question based on misinformation, seems Trump answered the question correctly.
SaveFarris (79ab12) — 10/17/2024 @ 5:28 amHmmm, does SaveFarris @12 merit a reply or does he not? Does he genuinely believe what he wrote or is it just a means of generating some outrage? He can’t actually believe that Trump bore no ethical responsibility for calling off the riot on J6, can he?
It brings me to a more fundamental quandary. I always found it curious who Eric Erickson chose to reply to when he was active at RedState. It was usually the most trollish character and he might intervene in the most outlandish fashion. It seemed counter to the maxim: don’t feed the troll. I know, I know, it’s irresistible. It’s low-hanging fruit. There is a compulsion to correct misinformation, even if it’s clearly bait. But is it good for the soul?
Nothing I write will persuade dear SaveFarris…ever. It won’t compel introspection or a drive him to consider better facts. It’s more about a weird performance art. I mean why would the Trump questioner’s party affiliation even matter? Many still-hoping-the-GOP-resets Republicans have wanted these questions answered for years. Was it unfair or irresponsible for Trump to be posed why he waited so long to call for the J6 mob to cease? But I suppose this is canon for being included in the club. If doubts would in fact spread, then that will imply something untoward about MAGA and its bubble. It’s like questioning papal infallibility: a slippery slope that leads only to more uncomfortable questions.
SaveFarris and whembly will do everything to avoid saying, yeah, he F’d up. There’s no excuse. We were lucky that more people didn’t die or that the country was not spun off into an even more chaotic direction. This should have been disqualifying and it’s embarrassing that Republican leaders and media didn’t make Trump persona non grata. We’re stuck and we desperately need change. But any inner conflict is excised by a good Andy McCarthy apologia, Hannity pep talk, or Tucker sermon. The reality is that it’s not Nikki Haley’s or Mitt Romney’s fault despite Dustin’s obsession. People live vicariously through Trump. They want to be Trump. It’s who they are now…Cult? It sure is not normal….
AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 10/17/2024 @ 6:53 amFunny how MAGAs question the questioner and not the answerer’s lying answer.
Debunked.
Trump: 450k Covid deaths in 11 months
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/17/2024 @ 6:56 amBiden: 770k Covid deaths over 40 months
In the early months, there was a race between vaccinations and the Delta variant, and Delta won, no thanks to the RFK Jrs. of the world and the right-wing anti-vaxxers.
What a fantastic segue!
Are you now ready to shed some light on what “not a prophecy guy” means?
BuDuh (4214e4) — 10/17/2024 @ 7:10 am@12
F’d up what exactly?
I wanna know what ‘F up’ you’re talking about.
whembly (477db6) — 10/17/2024 @ 7:14 amWhy ask a question you already know the answer, lloyd, if not to be a troll?
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/17/2024 @ 7:22 am@16 I don’t know the answer, Paul. Haven’t stayed on top of sane-washing, like you. Since you didn’t mention it, I guess they finally released it. Thanks.
lloyd (8c0dee) — 10/17/2024 @ 7:34 amI don’t believe you, lloyd, and you’re a documented liar.
A simple Google search would’ve given you an answer, so you didn’t have to ask me, if not to be a troll.
BTW, here’s Bret Baier interviewing a presidential candidate with way fewer interruptions, and here’s another.
Last night, Kamala was on shaky ground on the immigration and Iran questions, and her best moment was calling out FoxNews on Trump’s fascist “enemy from within” comments. I think the interrupting helped Kamala and hurt Baier.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/17/2024 @ 7:48 amOverall, I don’t believe it hurt Kamala to appear, and it’ll put pressure on Trump to talk more, which will hurt him, because more Americans will see his insanity and dementia.
Trump just says what he believes, and the MAGAts then try to walk back what he said, then he quintuples down.
There’s the they, and the we, and he has told you many times who the we is, but again yesterday
Well, they did have guns, but baseball bats, 2x4s, nah that’s fine. The “others” are police, so those police are they, which police are the good ones?
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/17/2024 @ 7:51 amAlso, “Linda McMahon did a great job during Covid at the Small…Business…Association, you’ve heard of it”
Ahem, McMahon left the Trump administration in 2019. Sure, he’s referring to what she was doing during Covid
A small project in the back yard
A business review of the WWE
Formed an association with her neighbors
I’m sure that’s what he meant.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/17/2024 @ 7:55 amThere were rioters with firearms on J6. Trump was channeling Tucker.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/17/2024 @ 8:18 amYou’re right, those anti-vaxxers really bare some responsibility.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kamala-harris-wont-say-if-she-would-take-a-covid-19-vaccine-approved-before-election/
SaveFarris (79ab12) — 10/17/2024 @ 8:18 amAny more than Obama did in calling off the Ferguson riots.
Any more than Biden/Harris did calling off the Floyd riots. Or the Hamas riots this past summer.
Any more than Hillary did the 1/20/17 riot in DC. (Bet you forgot about that one.)
If Trump bears responsibility for his supporter’s actions … well, I’m not sure you want to play that game.
https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/14/homepage2/james-hodgkinson-profile/index.html
SaveFarris (79ab12) — 10/17/2024 @ 8:22 amThat was also fact-checked. Kamala said she wouldn’t take Trump’s word, but would listen to scientific experts, which is sensible given Trump’s established history of touting unproven drugs such as HCQ and Ivermectin. The question is, why would you take the word of a court-adjudicated fraud and liar?
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/17/2024 @ 8:33 amDid Obama bring the rioters in and speak at their inciting event?
Did Harris bring the rioters in and speak at their inciting event?
Did Clinton bring the rioters in and speak at their inciting event?
How about this.
Did Trump bear responsibility for starting the Gina Virus?
Did Trump bear responsibility for Wilber Ernesto Martinez-Guzman?
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/17/2024 @ 8:38 amA lot of people blaming others for their own colossal failures in life.
An idiot: Why aren’t the democrats stopping me from making idiotic decisions?!
Another idiot: More dummies like me died of covid during Biden’s administration because we chose to ignore Biden’s warning. Damn you Biden for making me so stupid that I’d eat horse de-wormer pills recommended by a bloated orange clown!
Atomic Amish (da2cbb) — 10/17/2024 @ 8:45 amIf Trump bears no responsibility, then why did his staff, his children, and even Sean Hannity implore him to make a more impassioned statement to stop the violence and occupation? A plea from Hannity that included that Trump’s inaction could ruin his legacy. Violence intended to stop the certification for an election that he had no evidence of wide-spread fraud. Trump advocated for Pence to throw out electoral votes based on nothing more than Trump’s order. How does Ferguson earn any sort of comparison?
AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 10/17/2024 @ 8:50 amAlso, you might want to look up who was president then.
Hint…May 26, 2020
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/17/2024 @ 8:52 amOf course, Harris and Biden did call for ending the Floyd riots.
Not really a high bar, everyone else in govt did too.
So asking why didn’t X ask for ending riots they didn’t start because Trump initiated a riot and storming of the capitol and he didn’t, seems kinda weird.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/17/2024 @ 9:01 amThis has to be the most upset I have ever seen Paul.
BuDuh (216746) — 10/17/2024 @ 9:06 amMy guess is that Paul and George Will helped prepare Kamala for this question.
BuDuh (216746) — 10/17/2024 @ 9:16 amThe world must have missed Obama, Biden/Harris, and Hillary issuing a call to arms, unlike Donald Trump:
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/17/2024 @ 10:04 amTrump Is Convincing No One With His Lies
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/17/2024 @ 10:15 amI’ve added to the post.
Dana (fda1f7) — 10/17/2024 @ 10:40 amIn our reality time flows in one direction, so when a thing happens then a time later a different thing happens, currently the second does cause the first.
Unless MAGA modifies general relativity. Einstein’s special and general relativity, causality means that an effect cannot occur from a cause that is not in the back (past) light cone of that event. Similarly, a cause cannot have an effect outside its front (future) light cone.
Definitely no one was hurt there, no video of it, nope, https://youtu.be/3Fsf4aWudJk. No video of any attackers at the capitol, it was all love. No memory of it at all, didn’t happen.
Even if this guy was exaggerating his injuries, WHAT’S YOUR F-ING POINT.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/17/2024 @ 11:11 amPost Millennial…
Typical.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/17/2024 @ 11:20 amWhen asked about the effects of climate change…
Couple mall problems. Trump didn’t build Doral, he bought it. Alfred Kaskel built it in 1962. Also, under Trump, his EPA said 10 – 12 inches in the next 30 years, in 270 (2300) it’s 12 to 18 feet. Generally, 2 feet will put Florida underwater during high tide.
Still avoided the answer, he didn’t lie more than one or two times about the environment specifically, but he shifted to something else…and lied about that.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/17/2024 @ 11:24 amThe Chev Olds Are The Same Man DEMANDS ANSWERS!!
Get bent, poser.
BuDuh (4214e4) — 10/17/2024 @ 11:25 amPoor Zerohedge suckling Paul.
BuDuh (4214e4) — 10/17/2024 @ 11:27 amThe difference is acknowledged their credibility shortcomings up front. Poor troll, doesn’t get it.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/17/2024 @ 11:28 amOh bless your heart, we all send our love to you. I truly hope you can get better.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/17/2024 @ 11:35 amSadly, he’s convincing a huge percentage of the country with his lies.
aphrael (9c2ac5) — 10/17/2024 @ 11:42 amI also wouldn’t attempt to impugn Dana’s intellectual integrity, because she’s earned it, let alone with a sketchy right-wing MAGA source.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/17/2024 @ 11:45 amMAGA=truth and integrity
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/17/2024 @ 11:46 amBut you would try to speak for her, Paul?
I posted nothing that could be considered an attempt to impugn Dana in any way shape or form. It is real dirty of you to try and plant that seed. This is exactly what AJ is talking about when he compared “genuine belief” to just “generating outrage.” You are doing the latter because you lack anything cogent to say.
The link you hate has a 7 min video that doesn’t portray an officer who is near death. I assume his “loved me to death” comment meant that he was near critical.
The true insult to Dana is that you do not think she is capable of looking at what I have posted and having an fair and honest conversation.
Dana and I don’t agree on quite a bit, but I have never, and will never, treat her poorly. You owe both of us an apology, Paul.
BuDuh (4214e4) — 10/17/2024 @ 12:20 pmYou owe Dana an apology, troll.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/17/2024 @ 12:27 pm@18 “I don’t believe you, lloyd, and you’re a documented liar.”
Paul, you can’t name one lie. Your lies about “bloodbath” and “they’re not human beings” are on the record here. I can dig up the comments. You have zilch squat to dig up on me. You know that, which means it’s another lie from you.
The possibility that Trump might win is getting you upset. Rest easy. He’ll lose. This “red wave” will be just like the last one.
lloyd (40061d) — 10/17/2024 @ 12:28 pmI called out your lie yesterday, lloyd.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/17/2024 @ 12:30 pm@18 “BTW, here’s Bret Baier interviewing a presidential candidate with way fewer interruptions, and here’s another.”
She showed up 15 minutes late for the scheduled interview. That’s ok, she’s the future president. But to ding Baier for trying to fit in more than two questions in the remaining time is just dishonest and partisan. The other presidential candidate gave Baier plenty of time. From non-bubble media:
lloyd (40061d) — 10/17/2024 @ 12:36 pm@49 I missed it then. I’m sure everyone knows what you’re talking about. Apparently it was so kick a$$ you aren’t interested in repeating it.
lloyd (40061d) — 10/17/2024 @ 12:38 pm@48 “Your lies about “bloodbath” and “they’re not human beings” are on the record here.”
Yeah those, and the Cybertruck Musk personally delivered to a Russian warlord. Forgot that one.
lloyd (40061d) — 10/17/2024 @ 12:42 pmAfter Fox Interview, Kamala Calls McDonald’s To Ask If Her Old Job Still Available.
lloyd (40061d) — 10/17/2024 @ 12:49 pmOh look, Paul loves leftist sources.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/fox-news-bias/
They consider “right leaning ” sources to be far right and mixed, but left leaning sources like CNN are considered moderate and “high credibility.”
NJRob (3c44c3) — 10/17/2024 @ 1:57 pmYes, among the MAGAs, facts have a leftist bias.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/17/2024 @ 2:08 pm“Sadly, he’s convincing a huge percentage of the country with his lies.”
I think it’s baked in for a good number of them. They’ve already decided that lies don’t matter because of policy xyz or judicial appointments. Many of these people are content with Trump’s authoritarian instincts because they were not adversely affected by anything he did his first term. Ukraine is probably not in the top 3 things that they care about. Most will put securing the border above spending more in Ukraine if given a choice. People may not like the spectacle of J6 but ultimately they’ve decided that it didn’t affect them personally…and like the classified documents mess….it’s more bluster than anything. They like that he fights and aggravates the people that they don’t like.
Anybody left undecided is debating whether going to vote is worth it either way. Trump will continue to lie because it gains him more than he loses. It’s a depressing morality….
AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 10/17/2024 @ 2:24 pmNever change Birddog. Never change.
NJRob (3c44c3) — 10/17/2024 @ 3:04 pmI won’t change, Rob, but maybe you should.
Paul Montagu (a28670) — 10/17/2024 @ 3:09 pmIt wasn’t CNN that paid hundreds of millions to a voting machine company for lying about them, and it wasn’t MSNBC that paid millions to the parents of Seth Rich for lying about their son.
@9 I just explained it they are both populists and hate the same people. Why wont you except reality? The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
asset (394a9e) — 10/17/2024 @ 3:09 pm