When Misinformation and Rhetoric Have Adverse Consequences
[guest post by Dana]
Just how much of an impact is the misinformation being disseminated by Donald Trump and other Republicans having on the ground in post-hurricane areas? Well, it’s having enough of an impact to compel FEMA instruct all federal responders to evaucate a region in need:
The Federal Emergency Management Agency said it made “operational adjustments” in North Carolina over the weekend and temporarily paused aid in parts of the state amid concerns that an armed militia is threatening government workers.
The Washington Post reported that FEMA had advised federal responders in Rutherford County to “stand down and evacuate the county immediately” on Saturday, citing an email from an official with the U.S. Forest Service, which is supporting recovery efforts in the aftermath of Hurricane Helene.
The email said National Guard troops had encountered trucks of “armed militia saying they were out hunting FEMA.”
A “armed militia hunting workers”??? This is abhorrent. Residents bought into the lies being told them by someone who only cares about their vote. And that man is cunning enough to understand how to play on the vulnerabilities of people in distress, as well as fanning the flames of their anger. Of course it’s the agency that seeks to help that is the target of that frustration.
That the misinformation was countered by FEMA with actual facts did not matter to Trump. It didn’t matter because, as we already know, Trump doesn’t care about anyone but himself. The safety and welfare of hurricane victims does little more than provide Trump with a means to an end:
Though Trump’s Thursday claim about FEMA money and migrants had already been debunked by Friday, Trump repeated the claim to reporters at least twice on Friday — and then said it again at a Friday night town hall event in North Carolina.
Trump, who is desperate to become our next president, in no way met the moment after the two natural disasters wreaked their havoc. All he did was to foment anger and frustration and instill a paranoia in the victims. He could have disseminated correct information from the get-go. He could have encouraged people to seek help. He could have explained where and how FEMA would be helping. But instead of painting the distributors of aid as good guys, he chose to paint a negative and untruthful picture of them.
And some of you still want to vote for this guy. . .
—Dana
Hello.
Dana (7a58fe) — 10/14/2024 @ 5:21 pmWhen Trump accuses someone of something, it’s because he either did it, or wants to.
Divert money from FEMA to “illegals”, yup, look it up. Threatened to withhold disaster relief, promises to withhold disaster relief from blue states, yup, look it up.
The memory hole is pathological.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/14/2024 @ 5:38 pmThis sounds like disinformation to me
Email from nameless Forest Service person says nameless person at National Guard said this or that about this or that. If Militia is “hunting FEMA” I would expect to hear from FBI right? After all threatening Federal employee is a 10 year in Federal lock up crime. I assume Militia and hunting would involve a firearm, so its at least 5. That said, Bundy family and friends have pointed guns at BLM personnel and still managed to win in court. (Did you know that the guy who got 68 years in prison in the Bundy fiasco was the paid FBI informant?)
For some reason Fed prosecutors that get around the Bundy’s seem to get caught for hiding exculpatory evidence. That is like going in for the slam dunk and missing the rim entirely (check out JaVale McGee highlight reels)
This reminds me of the guys who said they heard from Nat’l Guard that C17 loaded with supplies was a Harris photo op and was later unloaded
steveg (292c87) — 10/14/2024 @ 5:55 pmTurns out C17 was unloaded but was said to have had a fuel problem- they must have fixed it because the same plane flew out to Germany a couple days later
“The initial report stated there was a truck load of militia that was involved,” the sheriff’s office said. “However, after further investigation, it was determined Parsons acted alone and there were no truck loads of militia going to Lake Lure.”
“The North Carolina National Guard told CBS News in a statement on Monday that it had “no reports of our soldiers or airmen encountering any armed militia, any threats and any type of combatants. We are continuing to serve all those counties in need of our assistance.”
steveg (292c87) — 10/14/2024 @ 6:00 pmIn a statement to CBS News, the Rutherford County Sheriff’s Office said they received a call Saturday afternoon that said a man with an assault rifle had made a comment about possibly harming FEMA employees working on recovery efforts in the Lake Lure and Chimney Rock area. Deputies alerted the Lake Lure Police Department and other agencies of the threat.
The man suspected of making the threat was identified as William Parsons, 44, of Bostic, North Carolina. He was arrested and charged with going armed to the terror of the public.
The sheriff’s office said Parsons was armed with a handgun and a rifle when he was arrested. He was released on a $10,000 bond.
steveg (292c87) — 10/14/2024 @ 6:01 pm.
I mean, sure, the militia, Trump, MAGA, and the trolls are definitely pushing mass disinformation that FEMA is/isn’t doing things, because the LOLZ. You can tell because they’re talking. When you only lie, it’s pretty easy to tell.
Too bad the rubes actually believe crap Trump and co say. Still don’t know why, he’s not said a true thing in 10…78 years.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/14/2024 @ 6:05 pmThe character flaws just keep showing up in new and despicable ways. Trump really is targeting the least informed in our populace….and is counting on the tribalists and cultists to continue the relentless what-abouting….as if there is any excuse for lying about disaster relief….and trying to create new victims. It must be exhausting and degrading to have to defend this man.
AJ_Liberty (1b0db2) — 10/14/2024 @ 6:06 pmLike most everyone, I’ve known people who have done bad things. A couple of those things were very bad, and they ended up paying for it. I’ve also known people who did destructive things seemingly at every turn; it just seemed to be how they were wired.
But I don’t think I’ve ever known someone like Don Trump. Someone who will intentionally ruin innocent lives and get people killed to feed his own bottomless insecurities. He’s utterly foul.
The people I know who plan to vote for him all have some reason that apparently sounds valid and reasonable to them. I just find it utterly amazing that there’s an endless line of folks who see the trail of broken suckers behind him and think, of course he’ll deliver what he promises!
john (aff6cb) — 10/14/2024 @ 6:28 pm1) You have Trump saying that dems are actively withholding aid.
2) You have MAGA saying that its’ caused by Antarctic Weather Control Squad #2 aiming at the Southeast with hurricanes because election. (Hurricanes never hit the Southeast, never.)
3) The problem with the “militias” is that there are some on the ground. As far as I can tell they are helping in some areas.
4) There are also people posting online about being militia and going to confront FEMA.
5) And then you have a dude on-site armed up saying that he’s going to confront FEMA.
So you get the conspiracy nuts + militias + crazy + telephone=a militia in trucks threatening FEMA.
Guess what wouldn’t be happening if 1 and 2 weren’t happening.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/14/2024 @ 6:33 pmBut I’m special. Typical abuser/abused behavior. Hey, there are Jets fans too. This is the year…
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/14/2024 @ 6:38 pmI’m sure this won’t be the last time…….
Rip Murdock (a8f7fb) — 10/14/2024 @ 6:50 pmI know some retired friends, all of them 90A like me, or generally logistics folks, that were trying to fly in supplies and there were instances where they were told they couldn’t land. But it wasn’t some nefarious thing, it was limited airports, limited space as most of the airports available were small, lots of govt rescue/supply aircraft rom the guard actively trying to use the limited space or fix airports, so airspace was limited. And generally the kind of thing that happens when the most remote part of the continental US becomes an island overnight.
Almost all hurricane prep is focused on delivering support to the deep south. Helene did hit the deep south, and then it turned into a Superstorm Sandy situation in the Appalachians. A 1-1000 year thing, unprecedented, and then another one 2 weeks later.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/14/2024 @ 6:52 pmI saw a video of a guy in NC who was extremely upset at FEMA because he claimed that without visiting his property, a FEMA person had classified his loss in a way that would preclude him from receiving aid. I’ve seen similar nonsense from FEMA employees after wildfires here. Some of their people can’t read a road map, can’t read a topo map. They classified properties on ridgelines as in flood channels. The FEMA people I met were like the DMV with rubber boots. Eventually they got it ironed out, but the first wave of FEMA responders was awful in 2008 and not much better if at all in 2018. In 2018 I had a FEMA guy yelling at me about culvert size being inadequate- which would have been true if the culvert was in the watercourse he thought it was- Not saying its OK to threaten them, but tempers run high. In 70’s I was working for a Korean War Marine combat vet and he was upset the firefighters “ran” and left him to fight for his home by himself. He kicked all the firefighters and feds off his property and carried a rifle and revolver for “looters of all stripes- especially yellow”. He told them to take their yellow coward coats the f off his land. He lived across the canyon from us and his detached workshop went off with paint cans blowing up, his welding tanks flew, his ammo cooked off, his reload powder did a fire wheel. I’d stayed and fought because fire insurance was different back then. The firefighters left me too and took off dragging hose. I was all singed, at one point had laid down in the street catching embers with a wet towel and a running hose and Ike thought it was “f-ing great”. After that it can be hard to suffer fools.
steveg (292c87) — 10/14/2024 @ 6:53 pmThis isn’t misinformation, it’s sedition. There’s a reason countries have laws against sedition. As for militias hunting government agents, that crosses a further line (“waging war against the United States”).
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/14/2024 @ 7:04 pmBut because the guy claimed a thing doesn’t make it so. Logic says FEMA isn’t even close to making a judgement on anything, they’re still in rescue mode.
I saw people claiming FEMA was doing this the day after Helene.
No, that’s not how the world works. But when you have powerful people, who are either stupid enough to believe what they are saying, or cynical enough to start the rumors…before the hurricane, and MAGA rubes that actually have been sold that these people aren’t just using them.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/14/2024 @ 7:05 pmFEMA reps better watch their six…….
Rip Murdock (a8f7fb) — 10/14/2024 @ 7:08 pmAfter the 1994 Northridge quake, FEMA outsourced damage assessment to untrained volunteers. I know this because my musician brother-in-law was one such. And they paid him money to do it, despire having no clue whatsoever.
Maybe it’s not that bad, but I can see how people would get upset.
OTOH, “hunting FEMA workers” seems extreme. I wonder if that, too, is misinformation.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/14/2024 @ 7:09 pmLooks like we’re back to blaming rhetoric. What a surprise. Funny how that wasn’t allowed to be the focus when Trump was the target and took a bullet or with the softball shooting.
lloyd (a6375e) — 10/14/2024 @ 7:20 pmOf course, it’s absolutely inconceivable that FEMA would hype this for political gain. Not possible. At all.
lloyd (a6375e) — 10/14/2024 @ 7:28 pmLloyd Lloyd all null and void,
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/14/2024 @ 7:33 pmLooking for the truth but trying to avoid, Lloyd
Dissed in the Malibu, not sure what to do
Ike didn’t need a Trump to get all riled up. Pugnacious SOB. Great neighbor.
steveg (292c87) — 10/14/2024 @ 7:40 pmTo quote Martha Raddatz, FEMA has “a handful of problems,” accentuated with a dismissive hand wave.
lloyd (49af17) — 10/14/2024 @ 7:53 pmI heard the anonymous Forest Service man’s email also recited that the nameless people told him that the nameless people in the “trucks” took their sandwiches, said “This is MAGA country!”
Harcourt Fenton Mudd (3389d6) — 10/14/2024 @ 8:17 pmI think this guy is worse than Parsons
https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/southeast/georgia-sheriff-deputies-wrong-order-burger-king/
“A Georgia sheriff up for reelection in his county was seen on body camera videos asking his deputies for help after Burger King got his order wrong.”
steveg (292c87) — 10/14/2024 @ 8:55 pm“Misinformation” is the nice way of putting, because it’s all lies, such as Bartiromo’s fake story.
Paul Montagu (8ea9f6) — 10/14/2024 @ 9:15 pmSome still want to vote for this guy. Polls say tied which mean trump is ahead. So a lot not some. Voters want what trump is selling not what you or the democrats are selling. Trump is doing better in polls then 2016. The left is getting ready to take over democrat party from the corporate establishment. Should be messy.
asset (33546d) — 10/14/2024 @ 10:48 pmI’m sure the FEMA officials were all black lesbians so we can add in the “All of MAGA is racist and sexist” angle as well.
SaveFarris (79ab12) — 10/15/2024 @ 5:46 amThe question that keeps popping up in my mind that I would like to pose to die-hard Trump supporters is: “Why did it have to be Trump? There were plenty of sane and principled Republicans out there, so why did it have to be Trump? Why did it have to be the pussy-grabber, the hypocritical mishandler of classified documents (after smiling broadly at the “lock-her-up” chants directed at Hillary), the incorrigible and unapologetic prevaricator, why does it have to be someone so obviously flawed? Is there anything he could do or say that would make you have second thoughts about him? The answer to the second question appears to be “no.” I looked forward to the Republicans choosing someone I could vote for when they held their primary. Silly of me to have thought they might have.
Roger (1f2f25) — 10/15/2024 @ 6:45 amRoger, we live in the era of the troll…and no one trolls the liberals (and NeverTrumpers) like Trump. DeSantis certainly tried and assembled a compelling cultural conservative resume, but he just lacked the entertainment value and audaciousness of Trump. Why choose the knockoff when you can have the original?
The problems are bubbles, misinformation, and grievance. Trump captured right-wing media and it’s changed who the GOP is any more. The GOP is now the party that dabbles in Putin admiration, tariffs, a tribal view on law enforcement, and an incredible willingness to entertain conspiracies and nonsense. There’s been a fair bit of losing too, but not enough to compel a course correction yet. It’s weird….and it’s especially weird seeing the hold on evangelical Christians. There remains little trouble with the obvious cognitive dissonance.
We need better leaders in the GOP. Many are being chased out or extremely marginalized. We need media organizations that are more committed to the truth. Right now shame is on hiatus….reality is malleable….outrage is in. But until people are shocked enough or must pay a price for having someone unhinged in charge, there is simply not enough inertia to abandon ship. Like a religion, Trump’s MAGA is how people identify now. This is who they are….and they will defend it as fiercely as any evangelical will defend faith.
AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 10/15/2024 @ 7:13 amIt had to be Trump because if it was DeSantis, the same people would be asking Why did it have to be DeSantis? And if it were Cruz, or Youngkin, it would be Why did it have to be them? Because, saying this as a DeSantis supporter, not a Trump supporter, you simply don’t get it. It has nothing to do with Trump. It never did. But it’s so essential for you folks to believe that it is. You cannot cope with any other reality.
lloyd (cd1240) — 10/15/2024 @ 7:22 amWell, I just learned that I can’t cope with reality. Thanks, Lloyd, that clears up a lot of questions in my mind.
Roger (1f2f25) — 10/15/2024 @ 7:57 am“It has nothing to do with Trump.”
The only other person that ran that was unacceptable…and this was true for Paul as well….was Ramaswamy. We would have enthusiastically cheered the base moving away from Trump. This is just more….the base can’t be wrong…because I’m the base….and Trumpsters hate NeverTrump….so like liberals, they are always the convenient villain. lloyd will never blame the base and the propaganda engine that drives it. This has EVERYTHING to do with Trump. This is the No True Scotsman fallacy: it’s not that Trump is unacceptable, it’s that any Republican was unacceptable. It’s always been a fallacy.
AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 10/15/2024 @ 8:40 amAny hard conservative was unacceptable. Just be real.
lloyd (3895c6) — 10/15/2024 @ 8:50 amThe reality is that I would’ve supported DeSantis. It’s a concept that the MAGAs here refuse to accept.
Paul Montagu (8ea9f6) — 10/15/2024 @ 9:11 amBut DeSantis he was toast 15 months ago, long before Iowa, back when Haley, Christie, Hutchinson, Hurd and Burgum were single digits combined. The polls didn’t lie. Trump grabbed the majority and never let, and it didn’t help that DeSantis wussed out after Iowa and then endorsed the fraud. The blame for Trump being my party’s nominee are the MAGAs and other Republicans who actually voted for him. Take some responsibility.
Any
hardunhingedconservativegameshow host was unacceptable.Adjusted it for you
AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 10/15/2024 @ 9:37 amIt didn’t have to be (DeSantis was leading or within striking distance in January/February 2023.
Then on 3/30/2023, Alvin Bragg put his thumb on the scale and indicted Trump on laughable charges.
SaveFarris (79ab12) — 10/15/2024 @ 10:04 amIt’s good to define the terms.
Misinformation is incorrect information that is being disseminated in (typically) good faith, without the intent to deceive. It can be forgiven, as being mistaken happens!
Disinformation is incorrect information that is being disseminated with the intent to deceive people. The whole point is to intentionally provide bad info: this is not forivable.
Sam G (3626e6) — 10/15/2024 @ 10:37 am@26 methinks you need to start being more discerning with which polls are counted and which are not: there’s some truly garbage polls out there flooding the zone.
Sam G (3626e6) — 10/15/2024 @ 10:38 amHow is Trump conservative? Especially compared to Haley, or does adding hard to conservative change what conservative mean?
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/15/2024 @ 10:43 am“Why did it have to be Trump? There were plenty of sane and principled Republicans out there, so why did it have to be Trump?
Because not one of them, at least in 2016, was willing to consider that globalism had run its course. Opening up world trade was great, but there were unintended consequences that were being ignored (or exploited) by both parties. It was Trump by Hobson’s Choice.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/15/2024 @ 10:49 amHow is Trump conservative? Especially compared to Haley, or does adding hard to conservative change what conservative mean?
1) He’s not.
2) What does “conservative” mean? In my youth it meant opposing black civil rights and/or opposing the New Deal. Later, it meant opposing Roe, and bleeding heart judges. Later still it meant free trade and school choice. Now it seems to mean Bibles in classrooms and high tariffs (a throwback to conservatives of 1880).
“When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less”
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/15/2024 @ 10:56 am— Lewis Carroll
It’s good to define the terms.
Now try “propaganda” and “sedition.”
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/15/2024 @ 10:58 amMan, if words had meaning there would be a place to look them up. Imagine that. Asked if 2+2=? your response is “what is 2 really, it could mean anything”.
American Conservatism: a political tradition and a branch of liberalism that advocates free market and laissez-faire economics and civil liberties under the rule of law, with special emphasis on individual autonomy, limited government, economic freedom, political freedom and freedom of speech. Classical liberalism, contrary to liberal branches like social liberalism, looks more negatively on social policies, taxation and the state involvement in the lives of individuals, and it advocates deregulation.
Propaganda: communication that is primarily used to influence or persuade an audience to further an agenda, which may not be objective and may be selectively presenting facts to encourage a particular synthesis or perception, or using loaded language to produce an emotional rather than a rational response to the information that is being presented. Propaganda can be found in a wide variety of different contexts.
Sedition: speech or organization, that tends toward rebellion against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent toward, or insurrection against, established authority. Sedition may include any commotion, though not aimed at direct and open violence against the laws. Seditious words in writing are seditious libel. A seditionist is one who engages in or promotes the interest of sedition.
So MAGA, not conservative, functions primarily on propaganda, and promotes sedition. You know, according to the definitions.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/15/2024 @ 11:26 amSo, conservatives are libertarians, supporting gay rights, abortion and keeping the Bible out of schools? Good to know, although I cannot think of a single day in my lifetime when a conservative expressed such.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/15/2024 @ 11:39 amBecause you haven’t paid attention in 40 years kind of proves the point.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/15/2024 @ 12:08 pm@ Roger (1f2f25) — 10/15/2024 @ 6:45 am
Honest answer? Because he sounds like he wants to fight.
Joe (584b3d) — 10/15/2024 @ 12:10 pmI voted Dole
Romney
Bush
Bush
McCain
Cant remember the rest.
All were called horrible names, Hitler, Hitler, Hitler, Hitler etc… When they won, nothing improved.
We are at 35Trillion in debt and rising. All trump can do is improve the rate of decline. Its also why i don’t “get” Patterco about this either.
1 dude, making threats…Hardly a militia! Talk about overreacting.
Patrick (d782a5) — 10/15/2024 @ 12:33 pmYou’re going to make me dig up your past comments completely torching DeSantis, aren’t you? I’ve dredged them up before and posted them. Not doing it again. You weren’t going to support DeSantis. Fact.
lloyd (81af0c) — 10/15/2024 @ 12:44 pmAs for the subject of this post, purported armed militia members making purported violent threats, I expect to see some arrests this week… if it’s not a hyped story.
lloyd (81af0c) — 10/15/2024 @ 12:49 pmYou’re going to make me dig up your past comments completely torching DeSantis, aren’t you?
Criticizing DeSantis is not the same thing as refusing to vote for him over Kamala.
norcal (109b23) — 10/15/2024 @ 1:57 pm“Criticizing DeSantis is not the same thing as refusing to vote for him over Kamala.”
Exactly. I don’t like DeSantis’ game with Disney or his initial ambivalence over Ukraine (border dispute)….but I never ever said he was unfit or a non-starter. I preferred Haley over him as I viewed her as a much better national candidate…with a much preferred position on Ukraine and confronting evil. Just as I held my nose and voted for McCain at the time (though I’ve come to soften on his wisdom), policy wise plus judicial appointments I will always prefer the Republican. The problem is that Trump is unfit….while Ramaswamy is some combination of unqualified for the highest office and unfit based on sheer sliminess.
I really don’t care what lloyd chooses to believe or not believe. I’ve given up believing he will be anything but antagonistic. That appears to be his purpose here….similar to NJRob…and to some degree BuhDuh — worrying more about NeverTrump than a candidate who breaks laws and lies reflexively. Leadership ain’t Trump. I’m confident we will eventually get the GOP in agreement…lloyd is a barometer on how far we need to go….
AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 10/15/2024 @ 3:11 pmBecause you haven’t paid attention in 40 years kind of proves the point.
Yeah, right. No one here pays attention to politics. This is your argument?
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/15/2024 @ 3:35 pmPerhaps you have some other wild assertions to offer as “proof.”
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/15/2024 @ 3:36 pmKlink, you are a liar:
You took the Wikipedia entry for Classical Liberalism and claimed it was a definition of conservatism, then used that as proof of what conservatism is. It does not even rise to circular logic. It’s just a lie.
Wikipedia: Classical liberalism is a political tradition and a branch of liberalism that advocates free market and laissez-faire economics and civil liberties under the rule of law
Klink: American Conservatism: a political tradition and a branch of liberalism that advocates free market and laissez-faire economics and civil liberties under the rule of law
I knew you were a blowhard, but it happens you are also a liar and/or a plagiarist.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/15/2024 @ 3:41 pmMy question
You responded with blah blah, what is the definition. I gave the the definition.
Then you asked
My response was basically, WTF were you doing for the last 40 years.
I know, your answer, was it an answer? was disingenuous. But sure.
Gay rights: see Romney from the late 90’s, McCain, Dick Cheney, GWB.
Abortion rights: Rudy Giuliani, Joh McCain, Susan Collins, Shelley Moore Capito, Lisa Murkowski, Scott Brown, Olympia Snowe, Lynn Jenkins, Rodney Frelinghuysen, Charlie Dent.
Bible’s in school: McCain, Romney, Bush, Will. Of course, no one is saying a kid can’t have a bible in school, the problem is that requiring a specific version of it.
Again, I know, you were just deflecting and denying. It’s easier to deny that Conservative has a meaning that’s known and has been for generations. What does 2 mean really?
You also seem to be conflating the current MAGAGOP with conservative, a party isn’t a suicide pact. You don’t have to carry water for them. You seem to say Trump isn’t conservative, is a crim, a rapist, a fraud, mentally defective, and then jump to excusing it.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/15/2024 @ 4:12 pm@ Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/15/2024 @ 4:12 pm
There does seem to be internal debate about what is a conservative now.
Joe (584b3d) — 10/15/2024 @ 4:19 pmWith Ms. Chaney loosing by such a large margin, who leads? Voters or Politicians?
I can think of one, Barry Goldwater. After leaving the Senate, Goldwater became supportive of gays serving openly in the military (and gay rights generally), environmental protection, abortion rights, adoption rights for same-sex couples, and the legalization of medicinal marijuana.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/15/2024 @ 4:49 pmI guess lifetime could have been a clue, if you were born in 2010, then that would explain it.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/15/2024 @ 4:51 pmI can think of one, Barry Goldwater.
Yes. I thought of that same one. But the rest of them, a group as diverse as Strom Thrumond to Bob Dole to Nikki Haley, don’t fit that libertarian definition
Kevin M (a9545f) — 10/15/2024 @ 4:54 pmDeSantis would be my first choice to run the US during a war or a series of natural disaster (or god forbid, both)
Trump is my pick for irritating the living hell out of the establishment
Harris my pick for destroying essential systems
Walz is my pick to run a mop
Vance could be my winner of isolationist for the next 4 years
Taking nominations for mean pick of politician most likely to get stuck in the drive through window while climbing in when the franchisee runs out of ranch
steveg (292c87) — 10/15/2024 @ 5:22 pm@28 Why? Because the dwarf and others are economic libertarian free trade conservatives not populists like trump and his ignorant white trash populist voters. How many times do I have to point this out.
asset (28c314) — 10/15/2024 @ 5:30 pmTrump is my pick for the bellboy who will send me up a hooker and a bottle of Scotch.
nk (9565c8) — 10/15/2024 @ 6:35 pmDeSantis is my pick for the heavy who will barge into the room and shake me down for a payoff.
Consequences of decades of misinformation
The North Korean State News Agency, KCNA is reporting that over 1.4 Million Youth and Students volunteered to Enlist in the Korean People’s Army on October 14th and 15th, with the Volunteers said to have joined a Pledge to “Find the Heinous Confrontation Maniacs and Criminals to the last one and cut out their Windpipes.”
via OSINT Defender on X
steveg (04876c) — 10/15/2024 @ 8:41 pmThey probably still describe these in their human wave assault nightmares
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/M16-mgmc-CAJ19451112-sc-1.jpg/450px-M16-mgmc-CAJ19451112-sc-1.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/M19_GMC.JPG
steveg (04876c) — 10/15/2024 @ 8:56 pmNo joke. For most of them, it will be the first time in their lives that they will have a pair of shoes and a full meal.
nk (9565c8) — 10/16/2024 @ 6:09 amI don’t think it’s Donald Trump that’s causing that. This is not a natural outgrowth of his and others’ claims.
I think that, like the bomb and other threats that came into Springfield it’s an operation by a foreign power probably with the idea of helping Trump by making claims of neglect of a Republican area, or running out of disaster relief money, look valid.
And I think the FBI knows where it is coming from.
(The Small Business Administration really is running out of money, but nobody is going to get a loan approved very fast anyway.(they do want people to submit applications)
Springfield, Ohio, in addition to the threats, also saw some marches by neo-Nazis and the like but that is probably sponsored by Russia also.
Russia has connections to white, and “Christian” racism allover the world – and is, I think, also behind the intensification of anti-immigration rhetoric also.
It serves Russia’s interest – no new immigrants = witnesses in the press = no sympathy = no interference in what Russia may be doing all over the world..
I’d say anything Trump says is a result of foreign or extremist interference not acause,
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 10/16/2024 @ 7:57 amHumpty Dumpty in Alice in Wonderland
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 10/16/2024 @ 8:05 amMore excuses. Sometimes 1+1+1+1=4.
If Trump and Vance didn’t tell people that FEMA was actively starving NC the day after Helene then MTG wouldn’t tweet about weather control centers in Antarctica aiming hurricanes MAGA. Then you wouldn’t have “militia” people on white power blog, I mean Twitter, I mean X, saying FEMA is stealing houses and supplies. Then you wouldn’t have rubes showing up in NC to confront FEMA.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/16/2024 @ 8:05 am“The threats came after Parsons posted a message on Facebook calling for people to “overtake” the FEMA site in Lake Lure based on what he says were social media reports that FEMA was withholding supplies from hurricane survivors.”
Statement from Parsons on Facebook that led to his arrest
“We the people are sick and tired of the BS. We the people are seeking volunteers to join us and overtake the FEMA site in Lake Lure and send the products up the mountains this Saturday. We the people are done playing games. It’s time to show who we are and what we believe. They want to screw our citizens. Now, we return the favor,” Parsons said.
steveg (04876c) — 10/16/2024 @ 8:28 amUpon arriving at Lake Lure, however, Parsons said he realized the situation was different than he had imagined.
“I went up and saw that there was absolutely nothing there, so I stayed, and I volunteered all day,” he said.
Law enforcement officials, already alerted to the threat, arrested Parsons at the scene. He insists he was simply exercising his Second Amendment rights.
“They want to sit here and lie and say I was carrying guns around. I had one gun on me, which was legally owned and sitting on the side of my hip, and I had a rifle and another pistol that were in my vehicle that were both lawful and legal to own,” Parsons said.
steveg (04876c) — 10/16/2024 @ 8:29 amSo social media influenced him, but that post on Facebook is weak sauce for an arrest.
I realize tensions are running high in an area that has never been real friendly to Feds. (NASCAR was invented by bootleggers) but if that account is true it got blown out of proportion (disinformation)
https://myfox8.com/weather/hurricane-helene/man-accused-of-threatening-fema-workers-in-western-north-carolina-speaks-out/
steveg (04876c) — 10/16/2024 @ 8:35 amThank you for confirming that Biden and Harris are directly responsible for the assassination attempts. (If Biden/Harris didn’t tell people Trump was going to end Democracy and that he was literally Hitler, Crooks and Routh wouldn’t have tried to kill Hitler.)
Either the rules apply to everyone or they don’t. You decide…
SaveFarris (79ab12) — 10/16/2024 @ 9:50 amThis doesn’t surprise me. My experiences with FEMA “DMV in rubber boots” they are very thin skinned.
steveg (04876c) — 10/16/2024 @ 10:48 amThey should be knights in shining armor, but the rank and file first in people have some real duds- probably unionized and hard to fire
If you look at a timeline, social media started blowing up with stuff about FEMA at least a week Before Trump Vance picked it up.
It is like the Haitian thing a few weeks back. Trump/Vance did not invent Haitians eating cats, park fowl and driving like its all a Port au Prince traffic circle.
steveg (04876c) — 10/16/2024 @ 10:53 amPeople were on social media, in city council meetings, saying this for almost a month before Trump/Vance became concerned
Trump seems bent on confirming that he is at least Mussolini curious. Of course, Biden and Harris have said that the way to deal with MAGAFacism is to not vote for it.
Now, if Trump/Vance/MTG… would do the same…wait, nope.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 10/16/2024 @ 10:54 amMisinformation or disinformation?
FBI in 2023 say 2022 violent crime was up only 1.7%
They now have revised that to violent crime was actually up 4.9%
In the article below they note FBI somehow did not count 1,699 murders, and gave no explanation
https://crimeresearch.org/2024/10/the-revised-fbi-crime-data-reveals-that-it-originally-missed-1699-murders-in-2022-given-that-almost-all-murders-are-reported-how-does-the-fbi-miss-that-many-murders/
“I have checked the data on total violent crime from 2004 to 2022,” College of William & Mary economics professor Carl Moody, who specializes in studying crime, told RealClearInvestigations. “There were no revisions from 2004 to 2015, and from 2016 to 2020, there were small changes of less than one percentage point.
“The huge changes in 2021 and 2022, especially without an explanation, make it difficult to trust the FBI data,” Moody added.
steveg (04876c) — 10/16/2024 @ 12:25 pmGWB faced the same thing, he just wasn’t the type of person to articulate it.
Trump knows it is far easier to deal with external actors.
I remember when Bush was riding out to war on the warhorse called Unity 9/11.
That goodwill evaporated into partisan squabbling, back stabbing, for the 2022 midterm election and was completely gone by 2004
In the meantime, Bush was dispatching a who’s who of war mongering Central Asians by the busloads in retribution while Cindy Sheehan and Code Pink were camped out at his ranch screeching like flying monkeys
Yes, Trump does say the quiet part out loud. Who hasn’t wanted to gulag a few screechers? We wouldn’t do it but appreciate the “Can you please fire me now” honesty
steveg (04876c) — 10/16/2024 @ 12:40 pmGreat sleuthing.
lloyd (6d6131) — 10/16/2024 @ 12:42 pm“USA Today’s headline on the FBI’s reported crime data released in September 2023 claims “Violent crime dropped for second straight year in 2023, including murder and rape.” There are two errors in their headline. First, that it is the FBI’s measure of reported crime that fell, but that is not the same as all crime nor is it the only measure of reported crime. So they could have written, the FBI’s measure of reported violent crime fell in 2023. The second error is that they are wrong claiming that this was the second straight year, where an adjustment in the data showed a 4.5% increase in 2022. Originally, the FBI said that violent crime had fallen by 2.1% and now they say it increased by 4.5%.” italics added.
A major weakness for reported crime data is that most crimes aren’t reported to the police. Murder has the advantage because the vast majority of murders are reported. But the revised data for 2021 and 2022 shows a net increase of 1,699 more murders. How do you miss 1,699 murders? Another crime category that is well reported is motor vehicle theft because the thefts have to be reported for insurance to cover the theft. But the revised data shows a net increase of 54,216 more motor vehicle thefts.
Why all the misinformation over the two crimes that are almost always reported? missing 54,216 car thefts? Someone(s) need to be repurposed back into a job that doesn’t require numbers or accuracy
steveg (04876c) — 10/16/2024 @ 1:10 pm