Weekend Open Thread
[guest post by Dana]
Let’s go!
First news item
One of the more ridiculous post-debate reactions:
Fox News contributor Mollie Hemingway shared calls by her colleague at The Federalist, Sean Davis, for ABC News to lose its broadcasting license and its two presidential debate moderators to be “criminally charged.”
. . .
In the fallout, MAGA pundits and Trump himself have attacked ABC News and blamed the moderators, David Muir and Linsey Davis, as “biased.” On several occasions the pair fact-checked Trump — much to his frustration.
Among the critics of the moderators was Sean Davis — CEO of The Federalist, where Hemingway serves as editor-in-chief. On Wednesday, Davis unleashed on the moderators and ABC News in general.
. . .
Again, hours later, Hemingway retweeted an article also posted by Davis, written by journalist Beth Berlje, calling for ABC News to be federally prosecuted for “illegal contributions” to Harris’s campaign in the form
of debate bias.
Second news item
Give the Ukrainians what they need:
. . . officials in Washington, London and Kyiv have in recent days discussed expanding the area inside Russia that Ukraine can hit with American and British-made weapons. They’ve also discussed how to prevent additional cross-border attacks by Russia, including the U.S. agreeing to allow Ukraine to use U.K. long-range missiles that contain American parts to strike inside Russia.
The current conversations between Washington and Kyiv mark a significant change in tenor from the ones the two countries held earlier this summer. And it signals the Biden administration may be ready to finally agree to Kyiv’s requests to enable Ukraine’s military to more forcefully defend itself and to make more aggressive moves inside Russia.
Third news item
Video has emerged from North Korea showing handcuffed teenagers being publicly denounced for the crime of enjoying foreign films and music, in a further sign of the regime’s fear of the “malignant tumour” of imported culture.
Clips broadcast on South Korean television show teenage girls with heads bowed in some kind of tribunal. One of them, whose name and school are identified on screen, stands weeping in front of a microphone as she makes her confession, before being roughly led away by uniformed soldiers.
The film, which appears to be an official production distributed as a warning, describes her as one of “several students who watched and distributed impure publications and propaganda materials, including puppet television dramas” — a term used to refer to South Korean television.
. . .
In a second clip, a young soldier confesses to similar crimes. “Using my mobile phone, I watched 15 American movies, 17 South Korean puppet movies and 127 videos and listened to about 160 puppet songs,” he says.
Fourth news item
Judge makes abortion legal in North Dakota:
A North Dakota judge struck down the state’s abortion ban — one of the strictest in the U.S. — Thursday, ruling that residents “have a fundamental right to choose abortion” before the fetus is viable.
“The North Dakota Constitution guarantees each individual, including women, the fundamental right to make medical judgments affecting his or her bodily integrity, health, and autonomy, in consultation with a chosen health care provider free from government interference,” Romanic wrote in the opinion.
“This section necessarily and more specifically protects a woman’s right to procreative autonomy – including to seek and obtain a pre-viability abortion,” the judge said.
Romanic also ruled that the law violates the state’s constitution because it’s too vague in defining exceptions to the ban.
Fifth news item
Afghan women refuse to be silenced by little chickenshits calling themselves men:
Across the internet, Afghan women are committing what would be a crime in their homeland, ruled by the Taliban: They’re singing, like Fatima Etimadi, 34, and her girlfriends, belting out this defiant tune, a little out of tune:
“The flower will unfurl, revealing a spring of freedom,” they chant. “I sing the anthem of freedom, again, again, freedom.” In the video posted online, Etimadi wears a headscarf. Her friends have unfussy short hair.
“Every day, the Taliban seeks new ways to restrict women,” Etimadi tells NPR in an interview. “They’re making women die while they’re alive.”
. . .
They may not leave their homes unless it’s urgent. There’s no clear definition of “urgent” and presumably, that is decided by patrolling officials from the Ministry for the Prevention of Vice and Promotion of Virtue, whose job it is to enforce this sweeping law. When they do venture outside their homes, they must always have a male guardian. They cannot raise their voices in public. Even if they are speaking in their home, they must not do so in a way that could be overheard by strangers. Also: No laughing. No speaking loudly. No singing. Even in private gatherings.
As one 20-year old Afghan woman put it: “The Taliban are turning women into nameless, anonymous shadows,” says Fahim. “A tool, to be used and kept at home, a machine for making babies.”
Sixth news item
Birds of a feather flock together:
[Laura] Loomer was photographed travelling aboard Trump’s private jet to the presidential debate, and accompanied him and top members of his campaign team on Wednesday to events commemorating the September 11 attacks in New York and Pennsylvania.
Of course we all know that Loomer has called 9/11 an inside job. . .
But is she helping Trump or is she helping Harris?
Democrats have been quietly cheering Loomer’s involvement, believing she is making Republicans uncomfortable by drawing away from potentially effective conservative lines of attack on vote-winning issues like immigration.
The Harris campaign made the connection between the two clear, sharing on one of its platforms a video of Trump speaking highly of Loomer at a recent rally, where he described her as a “fantastic person” and “great woman”.
What is there to say? Two racist, conspiracy nutters drawn to one another? Makes perfect sense. If Trump selecting Loomer as an advisor, companion, or both, doesn’t alarm Republicans, from Party leaders down to voters, then nothing will. This is just more evidence of Trump’s lack of judgment and how easily manipulated he is. No matter from whom the flattery comes – even a lying, racist, conspiracy theorist and hateful bigot – his ear is theirs. Unfortunately, brutal villains and masters of manipulation like Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong Un and Xi are all too aware of how easily flattered Trump is. . . This is not an insignificant matter.
UPDATE: Trump was asked about Laura Loomer today, and he responded:
Laura has been a supporter of mine, just like a lot of people are supporters, and she’s been a supporter of mine. She speaks very positively of the campaign. Laura has to say what she wants. She’s a she’s a free spirit.
Trump on Loomer: Laura has been a supporter of mine, just like a lot of people are supporters, and she's been a supporter of mine. She speaks very positively of the campaign. Laura has to say what she wants. She's a she's a free spirit. pic.twitter.com/ZEH9wKMKWS
— Acyn (@Acyn) September 13, 2024
Have a good weekend!
—Dana
Hello.
Dana (7c9962) — 9/13/2024 @ 7:32 amNo this is an unfortunate speako:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAIHxwgpUog
Fast forward to minute 43:18.
So unfortunate… 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
whembly (477db6) — 9/13/2024 @ 7:38 amWe have seemingly all gone insane. I just want the alien ship to return and take me back to my own planet. This place is an asylum of crazy folk. No wonder extraterrestrials do not visit: our cultural mental illnesses may be communicable.
I am so depressed.
Simon Jester (b9dbba) — 9/13/2024 @ 7:49 amFirst New item:
Donnie could not reach the cookies and the store should lose its business license and the stock clerks prosecuted for putting them on a high shelf.
Those people are their own parody.
nk (0c573b) — 9/13/2024 @ 7:51 amLife is like a box of chocolates, Simon. Trump will eat the top layer and demand a second layer underneath.
nk (0c573b) — 9/13/2024 @ 7:54 amThis is an open thread, right?
Thrasymachus: OR The Future Of Morals by C. E. M. Joad
nk (0c573b) — 9/13/2024 @ 7:58 amThe Federalist Society ought to sue The Federalist for traedmark violation.
Kevin M (39ae7a) — 9/13/2024 @ 8:33 amRomanic also ruled that the law violates the state’s constitution because it’s too vague in defining exceptions to the ban.
He based this on the clause saying that citizens enjoyed the right to life and liberty. Without a trace of irony.
Kevin M (39ae7a) — 9/13/2024 @ 8:36 amRIP Chad McQueen (63):
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/13/2024 @ 10:10 amI’ve updated the post with comments by Trump, when asked about Loomer.
Dana (8817e6) — 9/13/2024 @ 11:38 amAs long as the nutcase is in full support of the GOP nutcase, what’s the big deal, let her ride with him on his jet.
Paul Montagu (be56b4) — 9/13/2024 @ 11:51 amGranted this xweet is from a Pelosi, but bats now use the term Trumpsh-t crazy.
Regarding Afghanistan, Ann Coulter was right: “We should invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity.”
Kevin M (bfb8ad) — 9/13/2024 @ 12:01 pmThe only consolation to Trump’s dangerous and inflammatory words about dark-skinned immigrants in Springfield OH is that they’re mockworthy and musically catchy. I almost hummed a few bars.
Paul Montagu (be56b4) — 9/13/2024 @ 12:14 pmLaura Loomer could be a double agent, although I’m not quite ready to say so. But she can’t be so stupid as to actually believe what she says, and nobody genuinely for Trump (even out of self-interest) could want her around. Of course she could be for herself.
Sammy FInkelman (e4ef09) — 9/13/2024 @ 12:52 pmI noticed that David Muir was careful in what he said during the debate:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/harris-trump-presidential-debate-transcript/story?id=113560542
No credible reports.
But reports there have been. Or there wouldn’t be the qualification of “credible.”
Maybe even fake 911 calls or interviews on television (Trump said he saw some)
Sammy FInkelman (e4ef09) — 9/13/2024 @ 1:05 pmWe all wanted vengeance for 9/11, after a few months, lots of folks in the DoD were thinking strategically about getting into Afghanistan killing the jihadi leadership and letting the northern alliance run the show while we moved onto leadership elsewhere. But we decided that nation building was the policy, and I understand the sentiment, it was never practical “over there”. Hindsight being what it is, we’d rather have done things differently.
I’m much more pragmatic now, targeted strikes are at least as effective as mass invasion and nation building in asymmetrical warfare, with fewer downsides.
I’m not sure there is a solution in most of the mid east.
Colonel Klink (ret) (abc80e) — 9/13/2024 @ 1:05 pmThe moderators tried to be honest but were not always correct. They were not too bad. They ignored what Harris said.
They were not prepared for her lies. They had prepared some on Trump.
Most of what each candidate said about the other was false and Trump was more wrong about
reality in general.
Where Kamala Harris has avowed something based on a different reality, she didn’t say in the debate, except for attacks against Trump.
Sammy FInkelman (e4ef09) — 9/13/2024 @ 1:09 pmColonel Klink (ret) (abc80e) — 9/13/2024 @ 1:05 pm
It was practical, but you had to change the government of Pakistan as well.
The British knew this and that’s how they came to rule all of India.
Sammy FInkelman (e4ef09) — 9/13/2024 @ 1:12 pmSure he said, still not true. He added the dog eating because he was confused. The screen shot of Facebook post that a supposed mother said her friend’s daughter’s friend’s neighbor’s friend saw it might be a little light on substance.
Trump didn’t know any of that, he just spewed the white nationalist lies amplified by Loomer and Vance, and it fit his narrative. Truth is inconsequential, it’s Trump’s way.
Colonel Klink (ret) (abc80e) — 9/13/2024 @ 1:12 pmBut it also wouldn’t work on the doorstep of Iran, so add invasion and occupation of Iran, then there’s Iraq, and Syria, and Yemen and North Africa.
Tell me, why’d the British/europe/ottomans/…Romans not succeed in 2000 years?
Colonel Klink (ret) (835ba4) — 9/13/2024 @ 1:17 pmMedia Assures Americans That Migrants Haven’t Killed Any Cats, Just Women And Children.
lloyd (88b2ee) — 9/13/2024 @ 1:28 pmlloyd’s comment reminds me of a couple of Trump’s lies…(1) the Haitians in Springfield aren’t illegal, as Trump dishonestly claimed and (2) there’s no such thing as a migrant crime spree. The crime rate for legal immigrants is lower than for the natural-born, and the crime rates for illegals is lower than for legal immigrants. But facts don’t matter to the Racist Cult Leader of the GOP and his Loomer consort, and apparently not to his devotees either.
Paul Montagu (be56b4) — 9/13/2024 @ 1:34 pmI don’t think Trump lied about seeing something n television any more than he lied about what he said Joe Biden said about firing the prosecutor (although he got a bit confused there)
This is the supposed origin:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-haitian-eating-pets-immigrants-facebook-source-b2612208.html
This is not the beginning of the story nor does it explain how it went viral.
It might indeed be white nationalists who started this and they are interested in helping themselves (gaining support even though they are still small minority) than in electing anyone.
But this takes us to Russia. Since Russia supports them.
And then how did Trump get to cite Prime Minister of Hungary. Viktor Orban (albeit only in the context of foreign policy – although apparently he did not include Russia in the list of countries that the U.S. should make afraid)
Sammy FInkelman (e4ef09) — 9/13/2024 @ 1:39 pmI look forward to Loomer commenting about JD Vance’s wife and how, if elected, the Naval Observatory will smell like curry.
Paul Montagu (be56b4) — 9/13/2024 @ 1:41 pmPersonally, I love the smell and taste of that dish. It’d be a reason to visit.
Sammy, Trump lies all the time about what he sees on the telly, like when he saw thousands of Muslims cheering from the across the river when the towers fell. Or when he said there were “very fine people” on the Friday night in question, when the only coverage at the time was tiki-torch bearing Nazis. He lies all the time, including about what he says he saw on the tube.
Paul Montagu (be56b4) — 9/13/2024 @ 1:44 pm@22 Here Paul, someone has already done the research for you. But don’t let logic and facts dissuade you. I don’t think it ever has before.
lloyd (88b2ee) — 9/13/2024 @ 1:49 pmColonel Klink (ret) (835ba4) — 9/13/2024 @ 1:17 pm
The Iraqi project went wrong because Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia were trying to sabotage it, and Bush didn’t understand that.
They didn’t want a transition to democracy to succeed.
It was really the whole Middle East or nothing.
In 1945, there were no more vestiges of what the United States set out to replace. So it worked in Germany and Japan. The Communists did not want war.
The Romans succeeded for hundreds of years, and also had peace with their neighbors. The Ottomans ruled for 400 years. The British went slowly in India. Some things went badly for them but basically there was peace. They were pushed out of Afghanistan but not pursued.
The point is you can’t have areas where you can be attacked from or plotted against but you respect their sovereignty.
Sammy FInkelman (e4ef09) — 9/13/2024 @ 1:49 pmPaul Montagu (be56b4) — 9/13/2024 @ 1:41 pm
The prejudice she’s trying to stir up ii too new. She doesn’t know what to say. What’s s bad about curry in someone’s living quarters>
Sammy FInkelman (e4ef09) — 9/13/2024 @ 1:52 pmPaul Montagu (be56b4) — 9/13/2024 @ 1:44 pm
TIME Magazine reported in 2004 I think that Donald Trump was in Chicago in 9/11. I still do not know the source of that story nor any confirmation :
here was said to be some cheering in Gaza. Also some Israelis who photographed it (and maybe some people in Jersey City) were falsely accused of cheering it. And arrested for having overstayed their visas.
In this case, I’d suspect some online source – indeed how else could Trump se a report of people claiming cats had ben killed and eaten?
The lie or mistake was in thinking or saying that the rally consisted of people who opposed the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee, instead of a purely white nationalist rally, but Trump’s description of very fine people clearly applied only to the opposition in general.
He didn’t lie about seeing (r hearing) a recording of Joe Biden claiming to have bee instrumental in the firing of a Ukrainian prosecutor (though he got wrong Biden’s declared motive)
.
Sammy FInkelman (e4ef09) — 9/13/2024 @ 2:08 pmFrom the debate:
Probably not wat they said.
No he didn’t say that. He said no credible report.
Sammy FInkelman (e4ef09) — 9/13/2024 @ 2:13 pmAnother origin story:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/12/opinion/maga-debate-cats-dogs-haiti-trump.html
I don’t know if people actually eave is rallies before they over or not, but here Trump could have said that people make plans o go home and people leave baseball games in the 7th inning and it doesn’t mean they don’t like the game or are bored
This is different from a Facebook post
Russian disinformation! I told you do.
One case quickly becomes the general rule
Sammy FInkelman (e4ef09) — 9/13/2024 @ 2:22 pmIt’s not a campaign contribution unless it is coordinated with or requested by the candidate, or his campaign, and Michael Cohen claimed that Donald Trump wanted him to advance the money to Stormy Daniels.
Sammy FInkelman (e4ef09) — 9/13/2024 @ 2:25 pm@26 And note that Paul thinks an unsourced Steven Rattner tweet (unless he thinks “FBI, Jeff Asher, Light and AI” points somewhere) comprises an authoritative fact check, I suppose like he thinks the two other Democrats on the debate stage (for simplicity, let’s call them moderators) were authoritative fact checkers. Rattner, who has been a money man for the DNC and two Democrat administrations and a generic Democrat hack for decades.
lloyd (88b2ee) — 9/13/2024 @ 2:28 pmSinging? If only it would be singing. They’re not being allowed to speak in public.
There was a time when prostitutes, who could not dress revealingly, signaled their availability by singing.
https://mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt1023.htm
Sammy FInkelman (e4ef09) — 9/13/2024 @ 2:35 pmIsaiah 23:16
They are now taking a few deadly automobile accidents and making them all Haitians.
The cause is giving people temporary driver’s license and also someone who was hired as a school us driver with only a foreign license (not good in the United States) and besides he didn’t have a special grade of license.
Sammy FInkelman (e4ef09) — 9/13/2024 @ 2:38 pmI look forward to Loomer commenting about JD Vance’s wife and how, if elected, the Naval Observatory will smell like curry.
JD Vance mystifies me. He’s a real smart guy and he wrote a great, insightful book. He really cannot be the Trump stooge he plays on TV. His wife could pick any man she wanted, and she picked him. The best I can figure out is a “House of Cards” strategy where the VP takes over in a legal coup. But the ambition!
Kevin M (2fc181) — 9/13/2024 @ 3:36 pmI agree with Patterico a lot, lloyd, but not on this, and Heritage has forsaken its roots and became a Trump subsidiary, drafting a Project 2025 for their leader, which their mercurial leader rejected.
Paul Montagu (be56b4) — 9/13/2024 @ 3:39 pmThe cause is giving people temporary driver’s license and also …
A better place to look would be California, where — with utterly jammed roads — the Democrats gave over a million illegal (yes, ILLEGAL) immigrants driver’s licenses. What happened? The roads got worse and bus ridership cratered. But at least these folks were no longer undocumented. Now they have free medical care, too.
The most dangerous drivers are not 16yo boys, who at least have 16 year’s experience with cars, but folks of any age from cultures where there aren’t many cars and they’ve never ridden in one.
Kevin M (2fc181) — 9/13/2024 @ 3:42 pmPaul Montagu (be56b4) — 9/13/2024 @ 3:39 pm
Not really sure what you are saying there, Paul.
Kevin M (2fc181) — 9/13/2024 @ 3:43 pmHere’s some more on Trump’s FakeNews “migrant crime wave”. Personally, I think the rest of the states should follow the Texas example, to find out whether the incarcerated are natural-born, legal immigrant or illegal immigrant.
I keep telling Trump supporters to presume everything he says is false until proven true, because so little of what he says is proven true, but y’all just won’t listen.
Paul Montagu (be56b4) — 9/13/2024 @ 4:29 pmTwo minutes of Trump and Loomer. As Catoggio would say, they’re nuttier than squirrel turds.
Paul Montagu (be56b4) — 9/13/2024 @ 6:19 pmIf the Dems were smart, they’d pull a Lee Atwater (where his goal was to portray Willie Horton as Dukakis running mate) and tie Loony Laura to Trump’s hip.
Yes she can, and gullible MAGAites gobble it up.
Rip Murdock (310c2f) — 9/13/2024 @ 7:11 pmLOL!
Garvey won’t win with or without MAGA. The September Emerson poll for the California Senate race has Adam Schiff 22 points ahead of Garvey (55-33). According to the latest campaign finance reports, Schiff has $3M more cash on hand than Garvey.
Trump also claimed that the landslides destroying homes in Rancho Palos Verdes wouldn’t have happened if he was President. 😉
Rip Murdock (310c2f) — 9/13/2024 @ 8:23 pmGood one by Bill Maher.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/13/2024 @ 10:24 pmWhat an amazing sh1tshow. Back in 2015 I suggested that Trump was a Democrat plant, there to destroy the Republican Party. I see no reason to think otherwise.
Kevin M (515290) — 9/13/2024 @ 11:05 pmTrump is a Nikita, a deep cover sleeper, procured from an SS home for unwed mothers by Lavrenti Beria, and planted with Fred and Mary Anne to destroy America.
Has anybody seen his original birth certificate?
Why was his first wife a Czechoslovakian at a time when only StB (read KGB) agents were allowed to leave the Iron Curtain?
Why did first his divorce and remarriage to an American girl coincide with the collapse of the Soviet Bloc?
Why did his second divorce and remarriage to a woman from Communist former Yugoslavia coincide with the restructuring of Russia and the rise of Putin?
Why is he buddy-buddy with Elon Musk whose dream is to have everyone in America drive electric vehicles, eradicating the internal combustion engine and destroying our way of life?
nk (bb1548) — 9/14/2024 @ 6:07 amAll this isn’t to say that Kamala Harris should be president.
Kevin M (1b9482) — 9/14/2024 @ 8:03 am@37 Sure Paul, Heritage isn’t a good source but Steven Rattner is. Because you’re a true conservative.
A town of 70,000 like Springfield OH which has had to deal with the influx of 15,000 migrants should be asking for more, because that’ll bring the crime rate down. It’s perplexing why they’re just don’t lay back and enjoy it. When are you going to laud Trump for torpedoing the border bill last year? To believe folks like you, he’s single-handedly lowered America’s crime rate. Looks like you didn’t want it to pass either.
lloyd (111b90) — 9/14/2024 @ 8:12 amEric Adams, Hochul, Pritzker, Maura Healy, Steven Rattner’s Martha’s Vineyard — they’ve all ushered out migrants to small towns like Springfield. Because they just want to share the lower crime rates with the little people.
lloyd (111b90) — 9/14/2024 @ 8:29 amAll this isn’t to say that Kamala Harris should be president.
Yes, it does mean that Kamala should be elected President.
There is more to America than the sum of our unwanted pregnancies and high-capacity semi-automatic firearms.
Even in 2016, we had the comfort of thinking that whichever power-seeking crapweasel was elected, America would still survive.
We do not have that luxury this time around.
Wee have seen the poison in the apple.
nk (bb1548) — 9/14/2024 @ 8:41 amCongressional insanity:
The only reason to attach an unrelated item to the tax relief provision is to sabotage its passage. There is no other explanation.
Rip Murdock (f19196) — 9/14/2024 @ 8:44 am48 & 49. We can’t worry about everything. Let’s let Laura Loomer worry about that.
And, whatever you do, DO NOT accept a dinner invitation from Hannibal Lecter!
nk (bb1548) — 9/14/2024 @ 8:59 amOne, I never said I was a “true” conservative. You’re making sh-t up.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/14/2024 @ 10:23 amTwo, Heritage has gone full MAGA, so it’d be foolish to take their issues at their word.
True…
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/14/2024 @ 10:24 amSpeaking of violent crime, Trump is lying that it’s way up, because it’s way down.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/14/2024 @ 10:28 am“Daddy, was MJ better than LeBron?”
“Yes, son, he was.”
A few months before Michael returned to the NBA, a good college friend of mine ran into him at a gym where he made a surprise appearance and played some pick-up with the members. He said Michael played like a 7-footer, not just for his leaping ability but for his hands, their strength and the way he can palm a basketball. MJ is a Ferrari, with all the flair and style. LeBron is a high-end Ram with a double Hemi.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/14/2024 @ 10:35 am@55 Paul, the only fact revealed in this comment is that you like to tout unsourced claims by Democrat partisans. Which isn’t really a revelation.
lloyd (3c103e) — 9/14/2024 @ 10:56 amExcept they were sourced, lloyd, both times. Why are you making sh-t up?
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/14/2024 @ 10:57 amRussell Moore is correct. The title and subhead…
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/14/2024 @ 10:59 am@58 “FBI, Jeff Asher, Light et AI” is a link to data in your world, I guess.
lloyd (3c103e) — 9/14/2024 @ 11:15 amYes, they were sourced, lloyd. Noted, that you moved the goalposts to linked.
It’s weird how, of all the free societies and free market economies out there, Heritage chose to pal around with a dictator wannabe like Orban, which is only somewhat freer than Ukraine and is ranked 73rd in economic freedom by your very own Heritage Foundation. What’s with that?
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/14/2024 @ 12:10 pmJust say no
Every time Israel trades thousands of Palestinian terrorists for dozens of hostages, they have been burned. Yahya Sinwar, the architect of the October 7th terrorist assault on Israel, was a beneficiary of one of these exchanges.
And given the negative political reactions to Biden’s exchanges with the Russians, there is no political upside to freeing the Hamas financiers for the bodies of American victims of Hamas.
Rip Murdock (f19196) — 9/14/2024 @ 12:18 pmMore on Heritage from Tracinski, a conservative…
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/14/2024 @ 12:20 pmWwwwhaaatt?, MAGAts pointing at the squirrel says the coyote doesn’t say what you claim the badger said to the chimpanzee who told the dog who told a different squirrel…“some people say”.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/14/2024 @ 12:22 pm@61 “Yes, they were sourced, lloyd. Noted, that you moved the goalposts to linked.”
LOL Paul, you’re just being more ridiculous than usual. There is no data to back up the claims. Zilch. I have no preference whether you want to link to it, or USPS mail it. Move those goalposts wherever you like. As anyone could’ve guessed, you’ve got a big bag of nothing.
lloyd (47ac57) — 9/14/2024 @ 12:33 pmThere were no LEENNGGCs. I mean just because it’s true, if there aren’t links to the source…oh, you mean it’s a link to a sourced graphic, and you have to maybe click twice.
You see, Paul, no LEENNGGCs so it can’t be true.
Now, if you’d have said you heard it from a neighbor who heard it from a friend who heard it from their daughter you’d be golden.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/14/2024 @ 12:45 pm@50
That’s a great synopsis of a drama novel you got there… please show me where in the fiction section this book is at? It looks spicy!
whembly (477db6) — 9/14/2024 @ 1:04 pmGo back to your crayons, Klink.
lloyd (47ac57) — 9/14/2024 @ 1:05 pmRattner cited those sources for his numbers. All you’re saying is “I care about these facts, I don’t believe him because he’s a Democrat!” The irony is that you’re on side of a factless serial liar who can’t stop lying.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/14/2024 @ 1:14 pm@69 Crime went up 98% the day Biden Harris were sworn in. Violent crime up 170%.
Source: FBI, Emerson, Lake, Palmer et AI
lloyd (47ac57) — 9/14/2024 @ 1:21 pmMore ad hominems expected, but violent crime is notably down under Biden, not up as Trump keeps dishonestly claiming.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/14/2024 @ 1:30 pmPutin says “BOO!” again and Biden blinked. Again. Sigh.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/14/2024 @ 1:42 pmHmmm, it’s almost like there’s an inability to accept FBI and DoJ stats for what is going on today with crime. Reality must be twisted so that 30-something debate inaccuracies get whisked away. Where Trump understands the truth, he fails to say it. In other places, he’s probably just irresponsibly repeating what Laura Loomer is telling him. On the other side of the coin, crime is only loosely a President’s responsibility. It flows with the economy. When the economy improves, crime goes down (typically). The same with illegal immigration. Still, I want a President that tells more truths than untruths. It’s like in 2016 Trump complaining about Chinese currency manipulation….which was a dated charge. Same here. Trump should have stuck to immigration, cost of living, and Afghanistan….and stayed factual on those topics. His inability to do facts….followed by his fanatics defense of it…makes for serial unseriousness. The clown nose stock must be running low….
AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 9/14/2024 @ 2:19 pmConfirmed: A majority of MAGAs are brainwashed idjits for believing Trump’s lies about dark-skinned illegal immigrants eating Fido and Whiskers.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/14/2024 @ 2:21 pmPutin says “BOO!” again and Biden blinked. Again. Sigh.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/14/2024 @ 1:42 pm
Yes. I just heard on the news that the UK Prime Minister is in favor of letting Ukraine strike deeper into Russian territory, but Biden is afraid of allowing it. Wuss.
norcal (fb89ff) — 9/14/2024 @ 2:24 pmSocial media + populism is a dangerous brew.
https://thedispatch.com/newsletter/gfile/the-crazy-contagion/
norcal (fb89ff) — 9/14/2024 @ 2:40 pm@71 Hey, drug crimes went down to near zero in Oregon the past several years, according to the numbers. Kate Brown must’ve done a fantastic job. The numbers don’t lie. Oh wait… they legalized drug possession all that time, including hard drugs like heroin. We’ve seen a pullback in law enforcement since Floyd. That doesn’t mean the crimes aren’t happening. The numbers in opinion polls tell a story you don’t want to hear. But, as with everything else, people just need to believe you rather than their lying eyes.
If you want to treat the FBI numbers as gospel, they’re in the Pew report above. Except that Pew takes the big picture and goes back decades. Crime generally has dropped precipitously… since the early 1990s. It has leveled off the past few years. Perceptions as captured In opinion polls are what they are. I know you’re disappointed Trump isn’t dismissing them.
lloyd (47ac57) — 9/14/2024 @ 2:55 pm@74 That doesn’t mean 5 times as many will vote for harris. Trumpsters are running ads in michigan reminding muslim voters that harris’s husband is jewish while attacking harris for being anti Israel everywhere else. Biden got 8 million more votes then trump in 2020 ;but won electoral collage by 43.000 votes combined in az, mi. and wi. Pa. has lost an electoral vote since 2020.
asset (2e2965) — 9/14/2024 @ 2:58 pm@76 norcal, that’s worth a chuckle. If not for populist and independent social media, George Bush would’ve likely not won a second term.. There are countless other examples.
lloyd (47ac57) — 9/14/2024 @ 3:03 pmlloyd, Trump lied about a “migrant crime” spree and he lied yesterday that “crime has skyrocketed under the Biden administration”. This isn’t hard, but thanks for telling me something I already about Oregon and their dumb decision to decriminalize hard drugs.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/14/2024 @ 3:21 pmTrump’s Proud Boys are marching in Springfield, OH, all because Trump lied about dark-skinned illegals poaching and eating cats and dogs.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/14/2024 @ 3:25 pmSo, if Trump is elected and flops over (because you know, he’s an elderly man who doesn’t believe in things like exercise, portion control, or that vegetables exist), does anyone think JD Vance should be next in line? One demented moron that only cares about himself is one thing, Vance being a demented young man who believes and promotes some incredibly terrible things might be worse.
One of the saving graces of Trump is he says he’s a dictator curious strongman, but he’s really a stupid lazy coward. What if he wasn’t, America doesn’t need a motivated wannabe Mussolini.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/14/2024 @ 3:25 pm82. I expect a lot of people see it the same way. That’s why Trump picked J. the “D” is for Don’t Let Haitians Eat My Girlfriend Vance for VP. Assassination insurance.
nk (bb1548) — 9/14/2024 @ 3:34 pm@80 Paul, I can’t take a fact check seriously that thinks Biden was president in 2020.
lloyd (47ac57) — 9/14/2024 @ 3:34 pmSo you missed the whole thing were 2020 was red and 2021 was blue? There’s being an MAGAt troll, and being a fat and lazy MAGAt troll.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/14/2024 @ 3:39 pmThose flagging Trump’s and Vance’s dementia were the same enlightened folks who thought Biden’s dementia episodes were cheap fakes and, after catching up on the breaking news three years late, would’ve voted for him anyway.
lloyd (47ac57) — 9/14/2024 @ 3:42 pmCool story bro. Was Biden Trump? Nope. Is Harris Trump? Nope. Was Nikki Trump? Nope.
2 are going to be president because of Trump, one could have been.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/14/2024 @ 3:47 pmMore dark side…the KKK are distributing flyers in Springfield, all because Trump lied about dark-skinned illegals poaching and eating cats and dogs.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/14/2024 @ 3:49 pmThere’s dementia that is kept on the down low, and there is dementia that sends bomb threats that close down schools and government building and neo-Nazis marching through the streets.
nk (bb1548) — 9/14/2024 @ 3:50 pmKlink, crayola is calling.
lloyd (47ac57) — 9/14/2024 @ 3:52 pm@88 Yes Paul, just like the Reichstag Fire stunt at Youngkin’s rallies. Maybe The Lincoln Project ran out of boys to proposition.
lloyd (47ac57) — 9/14/2024 @ 3:57 pmlloyd, I believe your first 7 words, “I can’t take a fact check seriously”. The rest, meh.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/14/2024 @ 4:02 pmSo, assuming the cats and ducks story is completely false, I guess that means it’s okay to take a small town like Springfield and bulge its population by 25% with migrants. It all hinges on whether that story is true. Because there’s no other reason to have a problem with what was done to that town, unless you’re a racist or bigot. Glad that’s settled.
lloyd (47ac57) — 9/14/2024 @ 4:06 pmlloyd, the Proud Boys, the KKK flyers, the bomb threats, the throwing acid on cars and so forth never would’ve happened had Trump not been that racist and lied in the first place, and you’re excusing this bullying and bigoted intimidation.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/14/2024 @ 4:06 pmOn the contrary, he’s supporting it.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/14/2024 @ 4:09 pmReichstag Fire and Kristallnacht are purely Trump trademarks (maybe even registered in China) and when you see them from Trump supporters you know it’s projection.
nk (bb1548) — 9/14/2024 @ 4:11 pm@92 Meh. From your link:
Trump was president in 2020, making this “however” meaningless and deceptive. Focusing on one year 2019 is just the usual fact check cherry picking.
lloyd (47ac57) — 9/14/2024 @ 4:12 pmBy the way, lloyd, the Haitians were legal (not illegal as Trump liked about, over and over) and the town of Springfield wanted migrants to come there to economically revitalize their community, and their influx indeed helped.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/14/2024 @ 4:18 pm@96 nk, folks paid Vance a lot of money to read his scribblings, and no one will pay a cent for yours. That’s probably caused a lot of resentment to build up. Let it go.
lloyd (47ac57) — 9/14/2024 @ 4:20 pm@98 That’s great. I didn’t say they were illegal. Chicago, Denver and NYC leaders also invited migrants to come. They’ve since changed their mind, because the people in those cities had different thoughts on the matter than the leaders. And, don’t pretend that there aren’t many communities struggling with the influx who didn’t invite them. I’m sure that 98% of them are wonderful people. It’s just that the Steven Rattner’s of the world writing from his Martha’s Vineyard perch thinks they’re wonderful people as long as they’re stateside.
lloyd (47ac57) — 9/14/2024 @ 4:28 pmTrump knows how to use racism. Racism put the whole Trump family where it is.
American-born Japanese were interned. A first generation son of a German-born draft dodger was given contracts to build troop barracks during the war and after the war subsidized housing for veterans.
nk (bb1548) — 9/14/2024 @ 4:30 pmThe population of Springfield, Ohio hit 82,723 in the 1960 census, and fell in every census since then. As of 2023, it is estimated to be 58,082. It looks as if the arrival of Haitians may be slowing the population decline, or possibly even stopping it.
Given that decline, it seems nearly certain that the city had much unused housing. According to some factory managers, the Haitians are filling jobs that were hard to fill, before their arrival. So, in both housing and jobs, they are filling gaps that need to be filled.
The number of manufacturing jobs has increased in the last few years, which supports that conclusion.
(Interestingly, Ohio Governor Mike DeWine is from Springfield.)
Jim Miller (8681d2) — 9/14/2024 @ 4:35 pm@93, it’s really too bad that the GOP nominee screamed “they’re eating your pets” rather then make that point.
Time123 (21d558) — 9/14/2024 @ 4:36 pm@96 nk, folks paid Vance a lot of money to read his scribblings, and no one will pay a cent for yours. That’s probably caused a lot of resentment to build up. Let it go.
Ha, ha, ha! Folks have paid Trump magnitudes more just to hear his gibberish.
J. the “D” is Overeducated Trailer Trash Vance should be the one who is resentful. I am content with cents I have.
nk (bb1548) — 9/14/2024 @ 4:42 pmWorth reading: This essay by Richard Dawkins, “Race Is a Spectrum. Sex Is Pretty Damn Binary”.
The most interesting point in the essay — for me — is footnote 2, in which he argues that true intersex cases are much rarer than often claimed. (We should, of course treat such people with compassion, regardless of how many there are.)
Jim Miller (8681d2) — 9/14/2024 @ 4:47 pmI’m pretty sure Mike was born in Yellow Springs and grew up there. Yellow Springs is one of the most historically progressive towns in the US, BTW. It’s only about 10 miles from Springfield but it’s a different world.
My sister went to Wittenberg in the 90s and Springfield was a dying city then. As Columbus gentrified, the upwardly mobile Sprinfielders bailed to parts unknown, but generally Columbus or the Southern Dayton/Northern Cincy suburbs, and the poor of Columbus began migrating in. It was in kind of a death spiral until 2005’ish when the cheap, but historic, neighborhoods were gobbled up by new college grads working remotely and developed a few hipster areas. The 2008 real estate bubble hit it pretty hard, nothing worse than a half gentrified neighborhood with the gentrified losing everything in a housing collapse, and it has only really started to have some flattening of the curve post Covid.
It was never a terribly racist city, not a sundowner town, and was pretty integrated, although mostly poor.
It wasn’t a terribly racist city 2 weeks ago either, but something changed…hmmm, what could it be?
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/14/2024 @ 4:53 pmWhy are people getting so worked up about what people call themselves? Who cares, other than confusing me, I don’t care if it’s him/her/them or they’re sleeping with him/her/them or all together. Not my business, I’ve never met a gay or trans person that has been a bigger dillhole than all these people complaining about them.
STFU and work on yourself, when you’re perfect, just be satisfied. Hint, that is never.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/14/2024 @ 4:57 pmI didn’t say you did, the point was that Trump lied about them being illegal.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/14/2024 @ 5:03 pmHopefully, there will come a time soon where the dust will settle in Springfield and the Haitians can come together and roast a pig, just like what Kamala did last Tuesday.
Speaking of dust settling, did you notice that this Kristallnacht against Springfield, Ohio instigated by Trump took “childless cat ladies” and free IVF off the board before people started asking: “Who are a couple of peckerwood politicians to tell us how to have kids? Are they running for President and Vice President of the United States or of Planned Parenthood?”
nk (bb1548) — 9/14/2024 @ 5:10 pmOne other thing before I move on to something else.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/14/2024 @ 5:13 pmThe immigrants-eating-pets tale was debunked days before the debate, but Trump still went there and inflated the lie and divisively inflamed another situation, like the bully he is, and his Right Wing just goes right along, including the bullying. Well f-ck that.
110. Could be that Trump cannot say no to Laura Loonier any more than Thomas and Alito can say no Ginni and Martha Ann.
But we’re not likely to see full-blown John Edwards-Rielle Hunter denouement giving Trump reason to be thankful for small favors.
nk (bb1548) — 9/14/2024 @ 5:21 pmYes, it does mean that Kamala should be elected President.
While it is a given that Trump should not be, the ONLY reason that Harris should be is that it is either her or Trump. There are literally a thousand people I’d prefer.
Kevin M (ddc158) — 9/14/2024 @ 5:31 pm@108 Yeah, if they claimed asylum and they’re just economic refugees then they’re here when by law they shouldn’t be. That’s not their fault, unless they misrepresented their situation. Asylum enforcement is a joke, and I’ll judge Mayorkas, Biden and Harris rather than the Haitians. I’ll let others here, unaffected and safely insulated far away, judge those impacted by the influx. It’s a great look.
The Haitians are a reminder of the horse whips lie years back, when Border Patrol agents were suspended for at least a year, just to allow this administration to save face. Biden and Harris whipped up hate against those agents serving our country, for no valid reason. They didn’t give a damn about them. I imagine it was crickets here, in contrast to the outrage now. I’ll have to look through the archives when I’m really bored, but I doubt I need to.
lloyd (47ac57) — 9/14/2024 @ 5:37 pmThere’s been an immigrant or more in every generation of Trumps. His grandparents, his mother, and two of his wives (and mothers of four of his children. But they passed the light meter.
nk (bb1548) — 9/14/2024 @ 6:03 pmTrump’s paternal grandfather should never have been admitted to the United States:
After three generations, I think it is fair to describe the Trumps as a crime family.
(It would be interesting to know how much of this Trump family affinity for crime is nature, and how much nurture — but questions like that can’t easily be asked in public these days. FWIW, I am inclined to think it mostly nurture.)
Jim Miller (8681d2) — 9/14/2024 @ 6:48 pm#114 It’s good to know that there are jobs that most American women simply won’t do.
(If I recall correctly, Melania got a change in their pre-nup before she moved into the White House.)
Jim Miller (8681d2) — 9/14/2024 @ 6:51 pmIt would be interesting to know how much of this Trump family affinity for crime is nature, and how much nurture
They are difficult to separate because the influence of the parents over the child extends beyond his birth, but in either case pedigree matters.
nk (bb1548) — 9/14/2024 @ 6:57 pmGeorge Will has switched, arrogantly so.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/14/2024 @ 8:02 pmMe and George Will, (/2[]$$[-|) |=!|\|(_+[-/2$, that’s me on top.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/14/2024 @ 9:22 pmPaul Montagu (062117) — 9/14/2024 @ 8:02 pm
I agree with Will. Kamala with a Republican Senate is preferable to Trump with a Democrat Senate, and either scenario is preferable to the same party controlling the Presidency and the Senate.
norcal (fb89ff) — 9/14/2024 @ 10:05 pmHrrmm…
So, I’m sure that Trump and Vance, who have quintupled down that it was true, will correct their claims right, right?
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/14/2024 @ 10:28 pmThe best that can happen is that they’ll stop repeating it.
But maybe them repeating it is better because that’s the way to get it widely known as debunked.
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 9/15/2024 @ 2:25 amThat means she lied.
I think the motive was politics.
The New York Post mentioned in an editorial that some people in Springfield are getting death threats – and some of them are directed at people not widely known outside Springfield. They claim that means it is local, but it could also be the result of data collecting and spying and so on. This might have been planned for some time.
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 9/15/2024 @ 2:32 amlloyd (47ac57) — 9/14/2024 @ 4:06 pm
t was the free market that sent them there. Nobody in the federal government, or any state government, sent Haitians to Springfield. (or else ask, why just Haitians?) They were mostly or originally secondary movements of people, mostly from
Florida,
And they’re not causing a problem except to the extent that anything that happens can cause problems for some people and benefit others. They have to lie about problems.
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 9/15/2024 @ 2:47 amPaul Montagu (062117) — 9/14/2024 @ 3:21 pm
He might not have i> known it was untrue, but he should have figured it out and he also doesn’t care whether it is true or not but whether people will believe it.
It “skyrocketed” under his administration.
But because of locally elected Democrats.
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 9/15/2024 @ 2:54 amMexico just went through a January 6, and people hardly noticed:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/12/world/americas/mexico-courts-overhaul-states-approve.html
They are politicizing (and possibly corrupting) the courts,
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 9/15/2024 @ 3:33 amAnd blame Democrats because they would not accept the second provision..
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 9/15/2024 @ 3:39 amWhat is true: In the last 9-12 months, members of a Venezuelan gang have joined the migration, and they’ve been assembling and reconstituting themselves. This gang may have liks to the Maduro government.
They passed the screening (after the authorities understood abiout the tattoos, the youngest members hve not been getting tattoos)
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 9/15/2024 @ 3:58 amI heard Friday, near the start of the CBS Evening News, that Trump has vowed to start a massive deportation operation in Springfield Ohio
Meanwhile the eating pets story has apparently been extended to include allegations about this taking place in Dayton, Ohio.
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 9/15/2024 @ 4:02 amFrom the New York Trump Gerbil:
“Migrant crisis tensions.” The Trump camp really believes that they can sell sh!t as chocolate. And why shouldn’t they believe it? They’ve been doing it with Trump himself since 2015.
nk (bb1548) — 9/15/2024 @ 4:29 am‘Clearly chicken you weirdo’: People respond to JD Vance sharing video he claims shows migrants grilling cats
The “gotcha” footage posted online by Vance may not be the slam dunk he apparently hoped it would be
I can’t even ….
nk (bb1548) — 9/15/2024 @ 7:32 amThere is no “migrant crisis.” It’s just not happening.
lloyd (3c55c0) — 9/15/2024 @ 7:58 amNot happening.
lloyd (3c55c0) — 9/15/2024 @ 7:58 amNot happening here either.
lloyd (3c55c0) — 9/15/2024 @ 7:59 amNo not here.
lloyd (3c55c0) — 9/15/2024 @ 8:00 amNot happening anywhere.
lloyd (3c55c0) — 9/15/2024 @ 8:01 amIt’s just fiction.
lloyd (3c55c0) — 9/15/2024 @ 8:02 amThe people making the bomb threats are complaining abot the migrants.
This makes no sense
I see this as a pro-Trump operation, of whatever origin that’s been subverted by pro-Democrats or people with complex political motives.
Meanwhile JD Vance is dealing with this as best he can. Saying people should be talking about the strain on social services, blaming Kamala Harris (no mention of Biden) for the Haitians, mentioning the idea of cultural practices in passing (suddenly, it’s true??)
He’s saying he’s getting complaints from constituents and saying what if the new reports were 20 miles closer to Springfield would it be different – and why are we talking about Looper – she’s not a candidate..
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 9/15/2024 @ 8:06 amYou are not putting lipstick on a pig, lloyd. You’re putting it on two piles of pigsh!t who should not be allowed to within 1,000 miles of the White House.
The lying, cheating, conniving degenerates are not talking about all the things you claim they are really talking about. They are promulgating a disgusting and dangerous lie which defines bearing false witness.
nk (bb1548) — 9/15/2024 @ 8:15 amEt tu, Sammy?
nk (bb1548) — 9/15/2024 @ 8:16 amLook at you, nk. So many many nk comments about the migrant crisis, because Trump and Vance baited you, when you really desperately don’t want to talk about it at all.
lloyd (3c55c0) — 9/15/2024 @ 8:28 amSomebody didn’t get the campaign memo:
Rip Murdock (f19196) — 9/15/2024 @ 8:49 amVance admitted he’s making up stories about people eating cats to “highlight the suffering of his people” – the suffering being having to live with foreign-born brown people.
Trump followed that up with stating he hates Taylor Swift.
And all of this to distract for his horrible debate performance.
SamG (4e6c22) — 9/15/2024 @ 9:00 amOne, Trump’s campaign could be reacting like this to his “truth”, the one where he stated, “I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT!”
Two, from Patterico: “Yup, he said it.”
The migrant situation is of course a legitimate issue, but Trump and Vance should be able to address it without all the lying.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/15/2024 @ 9:46 amThe migrant situation is a serious issue, Trump and Vance are distinctly not serious.
It’s such a serious problem that Trump has actively tried to make border security worse.
1)Killing the bipartisan bill to address it.
2)Actively making it worse during his time in the White House. Focusing so much on a wall that, again wasn’t built not even a fiftieth, and putting Adolf Miller in as chief border spokesmodel. He had a chance to do something, but since that required effort, he tried to executive order it in twitter bleats and was struck down left and right by the courts.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/15/2024 @ 10:21 amIn the actual cases of abducting and killing pets in Vance’s own home town, all of the dirty pet murderers have one thing in common, guess what it is?
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/15/2024 @ 11:14 amI find it amazing that we have had an immigrant crisis that will change the culture/ruin the country every year for over 50 years and yet somehow the country hasn’t been culturally changed or ruined. My school hasn’t had a Latino gangs problem in over 15 years despite the rhetoric that MS-13 was going to kill us all. What we have are ongoing border issues. They aren’t going to be solved by the “Haitians are eating our pets” “don’t vote for a bipartisan border bill so that I can get elected” people. Maybe they won’t be solved by the other guys either, but at least the other guys aren’t causing bomb threats in rural Ohio.
Nic (120c94) — 9/15/2024 @ 11:55 amDes Moines Register/Mediacom Iowa Poll 9/15/24
Rip Murdock (9f7eec) — 9/15/2024 @ 11:57 amOn Goose Hunting
Last year was similar.
So lot’s of folks go goose hunting, are brown people not allowed.
Plus Vance doesn’t know the difference between a cat and a chicken.
It’s weird that Trump and Vance are putting Ohio in play. At this point I think they’re actively trying to lose as many states as possible, then throw it out as an “unbelievably” corrupt election. Just losing by kind of a lot is not exciting, either win/lose bigly.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/15/2024 @ 12:04 pmPew Research Poll-How Harris and Trump should govern-9/9/24:
Percentages are those supporters who find it acceptable to:
Using executive orders to make policy
Trump Supporters-58%
Harris Supporters-55%
Ordering law enforcement to investigate political opponents
Trump Supporters-54%
Harris Supporters-27%
Firing federal workers who are not personally loyal to them
Trump Supporters-41%
Harris Supporters-12%
Pardoning friends, family or supporters who have been convicted of a crime
Trump Supporters-42%
Rip Murdock (9f7eec) — 9/15/2024 @ 12:38 pmHarris Supporters-8%
Good grief, another shooting. Beat him at the polls, not with guns.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/15/2024 @ 12:52 pmI’m predicting a very cynical next two weeks over Ukraine and Billions of $$ in Presidential Drawdown Authority that are due to expire.
This is entirely on Biden Administration because they could have handled this weeks ago and kicked the can down the road to here. Biden could probably still get his extension if the Democrats would send a stripped down request just for this extension, but instead they will add a bunch of stuff that they already know the Republicans will object to into the bill. Then they can go to all the Ukrainian American voters Pennsylvania (60,000) and say “look!” then they will go to the super majority, 77% of people in Michigan, who think we should arm Ukraine and allow it to enter NATO and say “look”. Of course Ukrainians in Ukraine are the pawns.
The US is accused of strong arming Romania regarding Russian drone crossing Romanian airspace enroute to Odesa- strong arming Romania into not shooting the drone down, but instead “shepherding” the drone through a corridor. (as long as the drone stays on direct course to Odesa they are shadowed by Romanian F16’s and allowed to continue into Ukraine) This is unverified, but a drone did travel through Romania to Odesa. I realize Biden (Jake Sullivan) thinks Russia will escalate if “provoked” but airspace should be our own redline. “It flies in here, it goes down”.
steveg (63a4a5) — 9/15/2024 @ 1:01 pmI’ll go out on a limb and say that a Harris Presidency has a better than 50% chance in seeing the use of a Russian tactical nukes on Ukraine within the 6 months after the election is called. Russia gets a subjugated Ukraine, it can sell whatever it wants to energy hog China and import western goods, bypassing sanctions by using Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan as intermediaries (if you care to, look up import increases from EU countries to these countries since 2022. Up 200-400%)
Go back to bitching about Haitians, Paul. You care as much about Trump’s life as Kabala does.
BuDuh (8710bf) — 9/15/2024 @ 1:07 pmI didn’t close the block quote. The last line is directed straight at you, Paul.
BuDuh (8710bf) — 9/15/2024 @ 1:08 pmSince the radiation will certainly cross national borders into NATO countries, you don’t think the West will retaliate?
Rip Murdock (9f7eec) — 9/15/2024 @ 1:17 pmYou sound angry, BuDuh. Why don’t you go back to ConservativeTreehouse and get to work on your trolling skills, because they suck.
FTR, I won’t lament Trump’s death but, speaking as a real American, assassination is never acceptable.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/15/2024 @ 1:21 pmWhat is Conservative Treehouse? Is that something that comes through on your Trump feeds?
BuDuh (8710bf) — 9/15/2024 @ 1:25 pmLater gang! I’m glad Open Border Sam has returned to the fold. He is a keeper.
BuDuh (8710bf) — 9/15/2024 @ 1:27 pmLetting Russian’s fly missiles and armed drones across NATO airspace should be something that concerns us. And, no, we aren’t “pressuring” Romania to shoot them down. Mircea Geoana, the Foreign Minister of Romania, said it is unacceptable.
As did the Latvian’s who it also happened to this weekend. As have the Poles, Moldovans’, basically all countries bordering Russia, Ukraine, or Belarus. Both the drones launched this weekend came from Belarus, so it’s not as simple as 1+1=2.
Romania has had much more back splash from Russia targeting Danube ports along the river border with Ukraine, “mis-aimed” missiles have strayed across the border to impact Romanian ground more than any other country, besides Ukraine of course.
Moldova and Poland have had quite a bit as well, there’s a reason that NATO troops and supplies are being repositioned further east and into the Baltics and Scandinavian countries.
The Baltics are especially at risk as they share multiple borders with Russia and have their backs to the sea.
We should take any restrictions off of Ukraine at this point, but I’m sure Zelensky knows that the PR of targeting a hospital in Moscow, even inadvertently, would do to their cause. He’s gotten good PR for the limited incursion and they are doing there best to be seen as benign interlopers, at least until after November.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/15/2024 @ 1:28 pmYou would know, you linked to ’em.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/15/2024 @ 1:29 pmYou keep promising that you’re quitting us, but you keep coming back. It’s like a job or something.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/15/2024 @ 1:29 pmI promised to go into observation mode, dummy.
I keep waiting for someone to out stupid you. Don’t worry, Your slack-jaw lies about GM big blocks has been too tough to outdo. You are still number one, Klunk. Your bleach holds the number two slot, so you are practically unbeatable.
BuDuh (8710bf) — 9/15/2024 @ 1:36 pmThanks for the reply Col.
steveg (63a4a5) — 9/15/2024 @ 1:37 pmThe most true thing ever to come from Harris is going to be her sincere appeal to people to stop shooting at or around Trump
steveg (63a4a5) — 9/15/2024 @ 1:39 pmOh no, socky is complaining.
You keep thinking that Trump never said “injecting disinfectant”. Hmm, also, you still know nothing about GM…doesn’t matter. Either you are as dumb as you seem, or you’re playing socky.
Go out and find some Haitians from Venezuela eating cats…or dogs…or geese…or people.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/15/2024 @ 1:41 pmI got thrown in moderation.
🙂
BuDuh (8710bf) — 9/15/2024 @ 1:45 pmMy question is why Trump’s golf club wasn’t closed to the public when he was on the course.
Rip Murdock (9f7eec) — 9/15/2024 @ 1:50 pmYes, you linked to ConservativeTreehouse, BuDuh.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/15/2024 @ 1:58 pmNo less than Right Wing Rob chided you for it.
Is that the guy I called a “sketchy lunatic?”
Great evidence! I guess I forgot the source. My apologies. I am glad you are always thinking about that site. I would have never figured it out.
Are your source hands squeaky clean, Paul? Be honest.
BuDuh (8710bf) — 9/15/2024 @ 2:07 pmDid anyone else notice that Vance straight up admitted to making up the “memes” about people eating pets?
Because, apparently, his and Trump’s boogie man wasn’t scary enough and wasn’t impacting the free fall, so that justifies the lies.
Trump isn’t even that clever, he seems to actually think it is happening. Now, he’s Vance and Loomer’s sock puppet it seems.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/15/2024 @ 2:25 pmHere’s a good summary.
The Secret Service did their job, there was no security outside the golf course fence. Not acceptable.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/15/2024 @ 2:31 pmBuDuh, you also said “just posting interesting stuff”, and then you trolled me, so maybe you should be honest about why you posted that.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/15/2024 @ 2:35 pmFrom Paul’s link:
Also from Paul’s link:
BuDuh (8710bf) — 9/15/2024 @ 2:40 pmNot this Conservative Treewhatever:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/report-former-university-florida-president-ben-sasse-spent-113670294
September 13, 2024, 2:19 PM
ABC is definitely not a go to source, right Paul?
BuDuh (8710bf) — 9/15/2024 @ 2:43 pmThe USSS wanted to shut down Maralago after the first one, and the “Trump” people, who knows who that is, didn’t want to close the clubs.
Maybe the USSS is doing a bad job, maybe the Trump businesses want their cash flow and don’t want to close up.
Two things can be true.
Also, all of these killer’s that want fame seem to cluster, like school shooters or the incels. “Dead kid in PA got famous, so I can too”. At least this bozo is alive to question.
I don’t really care about why the USSS is not shutting down the golf course and surrounding property, or just flat out not letting Trump go golfing. It’s unacceptable. Sorry if you need more resources, but come out and just say it. If you need to call in the rest of DHS or Homeland, or the 1st SFOD-D or DevGru, do it.
I do think that Trump has to have some personal responsibility to make it less difficult on his detail, but at the end of the day, they own the job.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/15/2024 @ 2:45 pm140.
I don’t know what comment that refers to.
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 9/15/2024 @ 2:55 pmATM machine. DHS Homeland.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/15/2024 @ 3:02 pmFWIW, at the presser it was explained that if Trump was the President, that level of protection would have been automatic. But why was the club open to the public anyway? After the Butler attempt, the SS should have insisted that the club be closed if Trump was there.
Rip Murdock (2f0bf1) — 9/15/2024 @ 3:14 pmRyan Wesley Routh.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/15/2024 @ 3:38 pmVoted for Trump in 2016 but later became disillusioned with him.
Ukraine supporter.
Supported Vivek and Nikki.
Anti-Israel.
Also a Tulsi Gabbard fan.
Pro-BLM.
Supported Joe over Donald.
I’m glad Trump is OK. As much as I think he’s unsuited for the presidency I don’t want to see him murdered.
Time123 (e39d92) — 9/15/2024 @ 3:45 pmI’m glad Trump is OK. As much as I think he’s unsuited for the presidency I don’t want to see him murdered.
There is a limit to how often one can call Trump a threat to Democracy, the World and people in general before someone decides it is their moral duty to stop him. It’s like shooting Hitler in 1928.
Kevin M (a77636) — 9/15/2024 @ 3:48 pmSupported Vivek and Nikki.
That is literally unpossible.
Kevin M (a77636) — 9/15/2024 @ 3:49 pmI’ll say that Trump is a threat to our democracy as much as I please.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/15/2024 @ 3:50 pmIt don’t mean I’m going to go all Dead Zone on the guy.
He’s a threat to our democracy, and this is a democracy. Just don’t vote for him.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/15/2024 @ 3:52 pmAnd no, today doesn’t somehow negate that he’s a terrible human man.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/15/2024 @ 3:56 pmDribs and drabs. Routh has a criminal record and has been arrested 8 times.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/15/2024 @ 3:56 pmGolf courses, and in particular Donald Trump’s own properties, have long been a source of concern among Secret Service officials tasked with securing the grounds while the commander in chief plays, according to people familiar with the matter.
A golf course is often the largest outdoor area a president can visit, and their design — often abutting public roads and containing elements like trees and hills that can conceal would-be assassins — make them particularly difficult for the agency to secure.
Like other presidents before him, Trump’s presence at a golf course does not prompt the club to shut down to the general public, nor for the roads to be closed nearby.
Instead, groups of agents in golf clothes typically ride in golf carts ahead and behind the president as he plays and secure the areas in the several minutes before he arrives.
Trump International Golf Club in West Palm Beach abuts three heavily trafficked roads: Kirk Road, Summit Boulevard and Congress Avenue. The Palm Beach International Airport is also nearby.
As president, Trump could often be spotted from across from Kirk Road when he was playing golf. But members of the media were not permitted to stand on the sidewalks near the golf course when Trump was playing.
After he left office, some of those restrictions were lifted. Members of the public were able to have a clear view of Trump from the sidewalks on Summit Boulevard and Congress Avenue.
In a briefing Sunday, the Palm Beach County sheriff acknowledged that with Trump now not a sitting president, the Secret Service was “limited” in its ability to fully surround the golf course.
When he was president, Barack Obama’s most frequent golf outing was to the links at Joint Base Andrews, which, by its nature on a military installation, had restricted access — both to the course itself but also its surroundings.
President Joe Biden rarely golfs.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/15/2024 @ 4:04 pmSupporting Vivek and Nikki on the same ticket suggests mental illness.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/15/2024 @ 4:10 pmFloridaman, living in NC from HI.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/15/2024 @ 4:21 pmThey talked about golf…sooo????
Let me guess, you think that was some sort of order from Biden?
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/15/2024 @ 4:32 pm“Fascist.” “Threat to Democracy.” “End of the Republic.” “Putin stooge.” “Racist.”
I dunno what could’ve motivated the latest shooter. Who can possibly know?
lloyd (95ddd8) — 9/15/2024 @ 4:36 pmSalieri jumping on the “hate” bandwagon.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/15/2024 @ 4:36 pmRemember, according to the rules of the popular game “Predict the Take”:
If a Trumper does something bad, it’s because of right wing rhetoric.
If a NeverTrumper does something bad, it’s because he’s a nut job.
lloyd (376756) — 9/15/2024 @ 4:43 pmBiden: “time to put Trump in a bullseye”
lloyd (95ddd8) — 9/15/2024 @ 4:50 pmHm, appears the three horsemen of the apocalypse have returned. Hi BuDuh. Say hi to Lloyd and NJRob for me.
Appalled (02bfe1) — 9/15/2024 @ 4:52 pmWhaaa? Socky’s all come home the same day. Maybe it’s just true love.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/15/2024 @ 4:57 pmAppalled looks to be sharp and up to speed as usual.
lloyd (95ddd8) — 9/15/2024 @ 4:58 pmI’ll go out on a limb and say that a Harris Presidency has a better than 50% chance in seeing the use of a Russian tactical nukes on Ukraine
Putin threatened this in 2022 and the US responded with some clear and convincing warnings (it would result in war with NATO and the United States, hopefully conventional). Maybe Harris has less backbone.
Kevin M (a77636) — 9/15/2024 @ 4:58 pmOh no, socky is complaining.
Really, Klink, calling people names is actually against the rules here.
Kevin M (a77636) — 9/15/2024 @ 4:59 pmLookee — AJ_Klink stepped away from the crayons.
lloyd (95ddd8) — 9/15/2024 @ 5:00 pmPresident Joe Biden rarely golfs.
Or walks.
Kevin M (a77636) — 9/15/2024 @ 5:03 pmI’ll say that Trump is a threat to our democracy as much as I please.
But don’t hold you responsible if someone less hinged believes you?
Kevin M (a77636) — 9/15/2024 @ 5:06 pmLike storming the capital? Like shooting up Buffalo?
Two things can be true at once. In almost every case it’s a disaffected white male.
Trump is again lucky that the shooter wasn’t better. USSS actually successfully ran the dude off by opening fire on him from a distance. Looking at the perimeter of that golf course, it would require a huge force to defend the perimeter. There have to be better, more secure facilities, even if they’re not owned by him, if you could convince someone to let him play their club. Lost Tree looks like better course, and way more easily secured.
BTW, that course is kind of a dump. It’s surrounded by trailer parks, the jail, and the airport, bordering the busiest roads in the county.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/15/2024 @ 5:11 pmYou used the wrong handle BuDuh.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/15/2024 @ 5:14 pmFrankly, I think that Klink and nk are the same person. Prove me wrong.
Kevin M (b98a5a) — 9/15/2024 @ 5:22 pm“The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat” did not work for Adam and it does not work for Thomas Matthew Crooks and Ryan Wesley Routh. They are responsible for their own sins.
I am not going to accept a would-be assassin’s veto and stop expressing my opinion of Trump, Vance, and the rest of the MAGA Sycophancy.
nk (bb1548) — 9/15/2024 @ 5:24 pmPS And neither should anybody else.
nk (bb1548) — 9/15/2024 @ 5:25 pmMe and nk🤞, that’s me on top.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/15/2024 @ 5:26 pmAlthough I’m open to power bottom too.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/15/2024 @ 5:28 pmYou overestimate the influence of this forum.
Rip Murdock (fc3b85) — 9/15/2024 @ 5:34 pmHey, this is a family friendly website.
🤮
BuDuh (8710bf) — 9/15/2024 @ 5:37 pmSort of like supporting Nikki and Trump.
Rip Murdock (fc3b85) — 9/15/2024 @ 5:39 pm@208. No, the short bus persona is too strong. I think nk is too smart to pull that off.
lloyd (95ddd8) — 9/15/2024 @ 5:40 pmRestricting speech will not prevent assassination attempts.
Rip Murdock (fc3b85) — 9/15/2024 @ 5:46 pmSince I’m not advocating violence and never have regarding Trump, the answer’s no, the person responsible for the violence is the violent person.
Paul Montagu (58c6b8) — 9/15/2024 @ 6:02 pmOh
BuDuh (8710bf) — 9/15/2024 @ 6:05 pm@218 Paul, you were singing a different tune after the Buffalo shooting:
Tucker didn’t advocate violence, yet you left the question of responsibility open. I guess you’re just following the “Predict the Take” game rules.
lloyd (95ddd8) — 9/15/2024 @ 6:11 pmWhere did Paul advocate violence?
So, since he pointed at people doing violence, egged on by people promoting racist conspiracies; by the transitive properties of socky, Paul was saying that Haitians are eating cats and Nazis should march on Springfield and a different guy should gun up and crawl through the bushes at Trump’s golf club with his body armor and all.
All magically by specifically not saying any of that.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/15/2024 @ 6:13 pmTo say Donnie do bad is to say do bad to Donnie.
SO UNFAIRR!
nk (bb1548) — 9/15/2024 @ 6:17 pmlloyd, I said “who can say” for a reason. The great replacement theory is racist dogma, and Tucker is a racist for pushing that.
BuDuh, there would’ve been bomb threats and a Proud Boy march in Springfield OH had Trump shut his piehole and not spewed lies about black immigrants being illegals and pet-eaters.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/15/2024 @ 6:17 pm…would’ve been no bomb threats…
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/15/2024 @ 6:17 pm@182. I think you’re wrong. But if the latest shooter (unlike the last one) is motivated by leftwing political rhetoric I’m open to discussing with it.
Time123 (59f129) — 9/15/2024 @ 6:23 pmBuduh’s trolling must be slipping. He actually said something a accurate and worth discussing
Time123 (59f129) — 9/15/2024 @ 6:24 pm@223 Ok Paul, fair enough. So you’ll co-sign this:
“Was the shooter influenced by Nevertrump screed rhetoric from Paul and likeminded? Who can say, but it couldn’t have helped.”
lloyd (82cfdb) — 9/15/2024 @ 6:24 pmJust quoting something Paul wishes he didn’t put in print.
BuDuh (8710bf) — 9/15/2024 @ 6:31 pmAnd then there’s Lloyd to pick up the slack.
Time123 (59f129) — 9/15/2024 @ 6:31 pmOh, it /was/ trolling. My bad for missing it. Carry on trying to waste Paul’s time.
Time123 (59f129) — 9/15/2024 @ 6:32 pmUnless you are talking about Harris’s call for violence.
If so, I am glad you and I are on the same page, Time. 👍
BuDuh (8710bf) — 9/15/2024 @ 6:33 pmMore MAGA bogus equivalency.
Unlike Trump, I’m not the leader of a cult and I don’t have cult following in the numbers in the millions. Trump does. There is a well-established record of threats and violence from Cult Orange Jesus.
There’s a reason why jurors stay anonymous, there’s a reason why Trump had a gag order put on him, there’s a reason why the Arlington Cemetery official didn’t press charges after getting assaulted by MAGA minions, there’s a reason why schools and hospitals were under alert or closed after Trump lied about brown-skinned immigrants, there’s a reason why the J6 riot happened, there’s a reason why so many election supervisors have been threatened, there’s a reason why a Michigan governor was the target of a kidnapping.
But sure, play the silly game that a commenter on a small blog is the problem. F-ck that, too.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/15/2024 @ 6:35 pmLOL!
Rip Murdock (fc3b85) — 9/15/2024 @ 6:36 pmThe authorities are saying they spotted a rifle barrel and engaged. Fair enough, and it was the right thing to do, but they only saw the rifle barrel because the genius hung two backpacks on the fence that drew attention. If he sits quiet in the trees with no packs hung on the fence that say “hey, look over here” and waits patiently we’d be having a different conversation. This was not so much of a Secret Service win as a dumb shooter. I mean really- 90% of us here would notice the anomaly on the fence. The other 10% would be too busy typing, but still capable of noticing.
I saw some news people wondering why the Secret Service didn’t hit Roush, they probably had handguns and/or were trying to preemptively suppress.
Last, I say we blame Lyndon LaRouche. Why? Because he’s dead and can’t defend what is left of his good name
steveg (63a4a5) — 9/15/2024 @ 6:40 pmThis guy was definitely bad at this. Wrong weapon, wrong tactics, sometimes there’s a comma between dumb and luck.
Crooks got lucky but also planned decently, that he missed was pure luck. 8 of 10 at that range hits with first shot. He’d been to the range with that rifle 40+ times in the preceding year. 130 yds is point blank, if he’d had a magnified optic he would have been slightly slower, but 95/100 on that shot.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/15/2024 @ 6:52 pmRouth wrote a number of nutty Ukraine posts.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/15/2024 @ 7:29 pmhttps://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/sep/15/ryan-wesley-routh-arrested-in-trump-assassination-/
https://nypost.com/2024/09/15/us-news/alleged-would-be-trump-assassin-ryan-routh-donated-exclusively-to-democrats-since-2019/
Another nutcase NeverTrumper. What is with these people?
NJRob (eb56c3) — 9/15/2024 @ 7:49 pmAh. His last name is Routh. That is disappointing
steveg (63a4a5) — 9/15/2024 @ 7:55 pmPaul and Buduh are discussing:
I largely agree, but blame can go to more than one person.
Some examples and where I fall on it:
Someone hires a hitman: the person responsible for the violence is the violent person. Sure. But also the person who hired the hitman goes to jail. Maybe equal blame?
If someone says to a stranger, “There’s a man in the liquor store wearing a pink shirt who just shot 3 people!” The man in the liquor store with a pink shirt comes out, and the person shouts “That’s him!” and the stranger (who is freaking out) shoots the man, sure, the person responsible for the violence is the violent person.; maybe they should have been more careful about who they believed, but the person who misdirected and lied to them is more to blame.
A tells a friend that her husband brutally abuses and rapes her, the friend kills her husband, the person responsible for the violence is the violent person., and if she was telling the truth about what happened, she’s not at all to blame. If she’s lying, she also shares some blame.
Just some thoughts. Whether the negative thing that sets someone off is true or not is pretty important for blame.
Nate (cfb326) — 9/15/2024 @ 8:01 pm1. I do not support a violent response to political rhetoric.
2. Trump took a number of actions after he lost the last election that did have the potential to endanger our democracy and has continued to support those actions throughout the last few years, up to and including today. To say that is a discussion of actual events.
3. No Haitians are stealing and eating other people’s pets in Ohio. However, Trump and Vance have continued to put forth this story.
4. There is a qualitative difference between talking about an event that happened and perpetuating a lie. If people are angry about an event that happened, they are angry about a real thing, a thing that is legitimate to discuss and the causation of violence is the event that occurred. If people are angry because they believe a lie someone told, that is fomenting anger using an untruth and the causation of violence is the person who told and perpetuates the lie. Now, rhetoric can reduce or inflame emotionality in either case, but the root causes of the anger are different and it makes a difference.
Nic (120c94) — 9/15/2024 @ 8:06 pmWhen Donnie calls the neighbor bad names and throws a rock through his window, it is not the neighbor saying “You’re a bad boy, Donnie!” which makes Donnie’s mommy spank him.
You may wish to consider that it is what Trump says and does which makes some people want to do more to him than merely criticize him, and not the criticism otherwise directed at him.
nk (bb1548) — 9/15/2024 @ 8:14 pmMore from Visegrad24…
Ukrainians referred to him as the “American flag bandana guy”. And this…
Ukrainian stolen valor?
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/15/2024 @ 8:37 pm@241 Nate, that’s true as far as it goes, and I don’t think it goes very far in the political realm. What Sarah Palin put on her website and what Biden said about putting Trump “in a bullseye” are not matters of truth or falsehood. The disparate reactions from the partisans on the left (for simplicity, we’ll call them “the media”) to each case had little to do with concern for attaching appropriate blame.
Likewise, saying routinely that Trump is a “fascist” or his election would be the “end of the Republic” is opinion, not a statement of fact or truth. Just as saying Democrats seek to replace Republican leaning voters with “newcomers” is opinion, not fact or truth. And just as what might’ve motivated James Hodgkinson or the Dallas BLM cop shooter is a matter of opinion, not fact or truth. If blame is to be attached in these cases, one should at least be consistent. (If the verdict from the softball shooting is to be our guide, they were all motivated by “suicide by cop.”)
Maybe you have a real life example in the political realm where truth is an appropriate shield from blame, rather than just hypotheticals. I can’t think of one off hand.
lloyd (82cfdb) — 9/15/2024 @ 8:40 pmI don’t know why my comment went into moderation.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/15/2024 @ 8:48 pmAnybody got something? I don’t. Whats next?
asset (06be52) — 9/15/2024 @ 9:06 pmLloyd, I think you make some good points there.
I think it’s also worth noting that we live in a time where we have a hard time agreeing on the truth of facts.
It’s also hard to give a real example unless you had a shooter who clearly identified their motivation, because you need to be able to say “that thing that motivated them was a fact.”
I guess if it turns out that this shooter was really into Ukraine as a righteous cause, and he heard the media report that Trump was critical of continuing to support Ukraine at current levels, I would hold that factual reporting as blameless in motivating him. OTOH if in the same scenario it turns out that he read a left-wing blog that continually proclaimed that Donald Trump secretly started the war in Ukraine to get elected, and he believed that to be the case, I would blame the left-wing blog for winding someone up about things that weren’t true (or at the very least were baseless accusations).
Nate (cfb326) — 9/15/2024 @ 9:24 pmSort of like supporting Nikki and Trump.
I don’t support Trump. I may eventually support the alternative to Harris, but that’s not the same thing.
Kevin M (f0f0fa) — 9/15/2024 @ 9:28 pmCrooks got lucky but also planned decently, that he missed was pure luck. 8 of 10 at that range hits with first shot. He’d been to the range with that rifle 40+ times in the preceding year. 130 yds is point blank, if he’d had a magnified optic he would have been slightly slower, but 95/100 on that shot.
There was a crosswind, which moved the trajectory, and he didn’t account for it. A center-of-mass shot and it wouldn’t have mattered much. But a couple of inches matters with a head shot. It wasn’t luck, it was ego.
Kevin M (f0f0fa) — 9/15/2024 @ 9:32 pmBTW, my comment on the rhetoric also applies to MAGA’s characterization of Harris as a Communist. I bet you that her SS protection went into overtime today as some deranged MAGA fool (birm) might try to get even with the Commie.
Kevin M (f0f0fa) — 9/15/2024 @ 9:34 pmBut sure, play the silly game that a commenter on a small blog is the problem. F-ck that, too.
Paul, way to distort the comments. It’s not your puny comments here that threaten Trump, it’s people who actually have a national megaphone who are saying the same things.
Kevin M (f0f0fa) — 9/15/2024 @ 9:37 pmIt figures that a troll didn’t cut-and-paste the whole sentence. Bad faith.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/15/2024 @ 9:39 pmActually, you’re distorting, Kevin, because the MAGA attacks were levied at me, not this “people who actually have a national megaphone”.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/15/2024 @ 9:41 pm@248 Nate, yes that’s a good example and I agree with you on that.
lloyd (82cfdb) — 9/15/2024 @ 9:45 pm@254 No Paul, you’re distorting. I specifically wrote “Paul and likeminded” for a reason.
lloyd (82cfdb) — 9/15/2024 @ 9:46 pmThey were levied at you as a symbol or spear carrier. Perhaps they should have said “your ilk” but that wouldn’t have been very nice.
And why does objection to heated rhetoric have to be MAGA? Are there no people who just favor civility?
Kevin M (a1a418) — 9/15/2024 @ 9:47 pmThat’s still an attack on me, bub.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/15/2024 @ 9:47 pmSo here’s a straightforward question for the MAGA Three here, and please answer without whatabouting…
Do you condemn Trump for lying that the Springfield Haitian immigrants were illegals?
Do you condemn Trump for lying about them eating the dogs and the cats?
Does Trump bear any responsibility for the ensuing bomb threats and such on Springfield hospitals and schools?
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/15/2024 @ 9:54 pmIn response to Elon’s “And no one is even trying to assassinate Biden/Kamala 🤔”, Tom Nichols…
This reminds me of the line, “If you owe the bank a hundred dollars, that’s your problem. If you owe the bank a hundred million dollars, that’s the bank’s problem.” Because Elon has huge contracts with the federal government. SpaceX and Starlink are important American interests, so the increasingly nutty owner of those ventures gets a lot of slack.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/15/2024 @ 10:21 pmRe :Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/15/2024 @ 9:54 pm
Joe (a71fc6) — 9/16/2024 @ 12:47 amNo
No
No
Here’s what I think:
The connection between GOP rhetoric and what happened in Springfield is clear and obvious. No serious person can deny it.
The connection between rhetoric and this clown’s actions today is so tenuous I can’t imagine a serious person making the case.
If another leftist moby happens to have expressed the exact same opinion in the exact same words (at least I hope they’re the same words, as I did my best to copy them), does that mean I’m his leftist moby sock puppet?
(Whembly, this is your cue to click the link before commenting.)
lurker (c23034) — 9/16/2024 @ 1:54 amEven assuming their rhetoric was equally inflammatory, which it isn’t by a long shot, who do you suppose would be likelier to incite political violence, this Trump supporter with a couple of hundred million followers, or Paul Montagu?
lurker (c23034) — 9/16/2024 @ 1:55 amAnd just when you think Elon has shown you the vile anti-anti rhetoric bottom, you’re reminded that there is no bottom.
lurker (c23034) — 9/16/2024 @ 1:57 amThose last two links are things I also saw because Pay retweeted them. Which is to say, if you’re not following his Twitter account, why not?
lurker (c23034) — 9/16/2024 @ 2:01 amNate, I think the proximity of the alleged problem is also part of it.
-The guy with the pink shirt is going to kill someone RIGHT NOW!
Is more of an incitement then “the guy in the pink shirt is trying going to eventually kill you if conditions don’t change.”
Time123 (c06227) — 9/16/2024 @ 3:43 am@Joe, do you feel Harris shares responsibility for the assassination attempt on Trump because of
Time123 (c06227) — 9/16/2024 @ 3:46 amThe things she said to him?
Kevin. Lloyd seemed to be blaming Paul personally. If he wasn’t he’s had several opportunities to make that clear and chosen not to. I understand the point you’re making but that doesn’t seem to be Lloyd’s point.
Will be interested to learn more about this person. Based on all available information cook wasn’t very motivated by LE political rhetoric and fit into the “crazy assassin seeking glory” mold. Evidence to the contrary welcome if I’ve missed developments on that.
Time123 (ca03f3) — 9/16/2024 @ 4:33 amthe person responsible for the violence is the violent person.
the person responsible for the violence is the violent person.
the person responsible for the violence is the violent person.
the person responsible for the violence is the violent person.
BuDuh (8710bf) — 9/16/2024 @ 5:11 amBuDuh is purely a troll, here only to heckle and derail discussions. Ignore him or not as you wish, but in no case engage him seriously.
nk (bb1548) — 9/16/2024 @ 5:53 amhttps://althouse.blogspot.com/2024/09/the-man-arrested-for-attempting-to.html
The man was spoken highly of by the NY Times.
The worm continues to turn.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 9/16/2024 @ 5:56 amBuDuh is honest. The trolls are the mobys that are clearly leftists, but as long as they toe the NeverTrump line, they get to roleplay as Republicans.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 9/16/2024 @ 5:56 amIf a rapist gets shot by his victim or by a Good Samaritan coming to the victim’s aid, the rapist is the one who is responsible.
Donald “Donnie Two Inch” Trump and J. the D is for Dino Nugget Vance incited a pogrom (that’s a mass lynching) for disgustingly plain political manipulation against the Springfield Haitians whose only crime is that they exist. They are responsible for the anger and disgust expressed by decent people and for the violent reactions of mentally unstable people.
nk (bb1548) — 9/16/2024 @ 6:04 amAs expected, troll responses. Bad faith.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/16/2024 @ 6:05 amWhy no?
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/16/2024 @ 6:22 am@Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/16/2024 @ 6:22 am
Do you condemn Trump for lying that the Springfield Haitian immigrants were illegals?
The issue is how much immigration we are having to deal with. Taxpayer money should not be spent on them until every ill and homeless American is taken care of. Neither Biden-Kamala are telling us the truth either. Politicians lie to us all the time.
Do you condemn Trump for lying about them eating the dogs and the cats?
The issue here is cultural assimilation with the US and following are written and unwritten rules. We are doing a horrible job getting immigrants (legal and illegal) to assimilate into our culture. Politicians are doing a horrible job here as well.
Does Trump bear any responsibility for the ensuing bomb threats and such on Springfield hospitals and schools?
Joe (a71fc6) — 9/16/2024 @ 6:32 amNo. Does the rape victim deserve it for wearing a short skirt? Why would you ask this question?
@224
Funny how that only goes one way.
Trump is blamed for the bomb hoax in Springfield…
Trump is blamed for J6…
Trump is blamed for nk’s indigestion…
But when anti-Trump rhetoric gets pointed out in some fashion, they’re all of the sudden defensive.
whembly (477db6) — 9/16/2024 @ 6:45 amThe issue, Joe, is that Trump threw up a litany of sh-t after Kamala pierced his tender ego about his rallies. This was his full answer in the debate…
Why is it okay to lie like that? He’s painted a false and dishonest picture of Springfield as part of his spiel that we’re a “failing nation”. Is there any statement or deed by Trump that’s worthy of your condemnation?
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/16/2024 @ 6:51 amNo MAGA but I’ll jump in…
Nope.
Nope.
Nope.
Nope.
Just as I don’t hold Trump responsible for the J6 riot. His slow response, as potus, was problematic, but that’s a separate issue than the riot itself.
So.. Time… care to answer this question?
If you don’t think Democrats shouldn’t be held account to their rhetoric that in a span of 2 months we’ve seen 2 assassination attempts… then why do you insist on blaming Trump for J6?
For me… one assassination attempt can be dismissed as an extremist one-off.
Two within two months and something’s wrong.
What gives?
whembly (477db6) — 9/16/2024 @ 6:56 amJoe, I hope I did not misunderstand your comment.
Trump is not a rape victim who wore a short skirt.
He is a 77-year old drag queen yelling “Rape! when there was not even a catcall.
nk (bb1548) — 9/16/2024 @ 6:57 amThat is when their brain stems take over and they collectively type T-R-O-L-L.
It is the call of this particular tribe when they lose the argument.
Back to observation for me. Mouse Utopia, please carry on.
(Hopefully it gets spicier, like when Klink bolted Chevy parts on an Olds.)
BuDuh (b6117a) — 9/16/2024 @ 7:01 amIndeed.
No, Trump Did Not Call Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists ‘Very Fine People’
BuDuh (b6117a) — 9/16/2024 @ 7:05 amIndeed.
Trump Didn’t Tell People to ‘Inject Bleach’ for COVID-19. But Here’s What He Did Say
BuDuh (b6117a) — 9/16/2024 @ 7:09 amnk (bb1548) — 9/16/2024 @ 6:57 am
The person to blame is the one who is calling in the bomb threats, not Trump.
Question:
What are the odds that the bomb threats are a democratic operation to cast blame on Trump?
Not Impossible?
Would that be “beyond considerations” if that is what it took to defeat a person worse than Hitler?
Joe (a71fc6) — 9/16/2024 @ 7:11 amYeah, he did say that tiki torch bearing Nazis were fine people.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/16/2024 @ 7:15 amTrump is to blame for the false accusations; the caller is to blame for acting on them; and the false flag is to blame for trying to take advantage of them. All three, joint and several responsibility.
nk (bb1548) — 9/16/2024 @ 7:16 amActually, this WaPo link.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/16/2024 @ 7:17 amSnopes said he didn’t:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/
Snopes is not know for being fair and balanced.
But WashPOST and Bulwark are invested in taking the most extreme anti-Trump interpretation possible.
So, there is that.
But, hey, confirmation-bias is one hell of a drug.
whembly (477db6) — 9/16/2024 @ 7:21 amElon Musk, not keeping it classy:
Rip Murdock (fc3b85) — 9/16/2024 @ 7:27 amHe said “and I looked the night before”, but the only coverage of the night before were Nazis. Anyone carrying a tiki torch and chanting “Jews will not replace us!” is the opposite of very fine.
He also lied about seeing Muslims cheering from across the river when the towers fell, so there’s a pattern.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/16/2024 @ 7:27 am🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
whembly (477db6) — 9/16/2024 @ 7:28 am@271, Rob, have you been following what Buduhs saying? It’s unlike you to take a position that applies equally to both the right and the left.
Time123 (ae7b06) — 9/16/2024 @ 7:30 amPretzel logic. 🤣 🤣 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Rip Murdock (fc3b85) — 9/16/2024 @ 7:34 amHair splitting distinctions without a difference. It’s the same explanation you gave for Haley’s support for Trump before her “full throated” convention endorsement.
Rip Murdock (fc3b85) — 9/16/2024 @ 7:37 amNobody tried to assassinate Trump during his first run, his term as President, or his run for reelection in 2020, either.
Hmm?
How long has Musk been working on brain implant chips?
What made Trump start pally-walling around with a guy who wants to replace every internal combustion engine vehicle with electric vehicles?
What is Musk’s connection to Walter Reed hospital where Trump was held for three days ostensibly for Covid in October, 2020?
🤔
nk (bb1548) — 9/16/2024 @ 7:49 amYou guys all know that the Manchurian Candidate was not the guy running for President but his Vice Presidential running mate, right?
nk (bb1548) — 9/16/2024 @ 8:08 amMan, I watched this Routh guy’s interviews in Ukraine when he was claiming to be…CIA/DoD/Something, he’s not all there.
I’d be surprised if he isn’t another fame wh0r3, he seemed to love getting press for “helping” Ukraine. He seems to have some beliefs that may align with the Neocon/Democrat viewpoint today, but he also has some wildly weird other beliefs.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/16/2024 @ 8:08 amI will respect the person who complains about the media environment about Trump inspiring assassins, if they are equally active about JD and Trump’s statements about Springfield Ohio, and how that would s inspiring violence. Otherwise, I assume it’s mere partisan hackery. Frankly, I think it is Trump’s tendency to make himself the center that is drawing the murderous nutjobs. I am willing to listen to other arguments, but not if they think JD Vance’s comments did not have an either greater effect in drawing the bomb threats and Proud Boys to Springfield.
Appalled (86ac28) — 9/16/2024 @ 8:26 amKevin M (f0f0fa) — 9/15/2024 @ 9:28 pm
Pretzel logic. 🤣 🤣 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Why? Any number of folks, including our host are voting for Harris SOLELY because she’s the person opposing Trump.
Kevin M (ba404b) — 9/16/2024 @ 8:29 amYou guys all know that the Manchurian Candidate was not the guy running for President but his Vice Presidential running mate, right?
Kamala is a she.
Kevin M (ba404b) — 9/16/2024 @ 8:30 amIt’s the same explanation you gave for Haley’s support for Trump before her “full throated” convention endorsement.
Rip, why do you play a moron when you know better? Haley was surrendering at the last possible moment so she could help pick up the pieces after Trump lost again. It was no more an endorsement than Teddy’s handshake with Carter in 1980.
Kevin M (ba404b) — 9/16/2024 @ 8:32 am@270:
Blogspot is still a thing?
Kevin M (ba404b) — 9/16/2024 @ 8:33 amAs for the “do you denounce?” questions, Paul, what was the last policy or statement by Harris you denounced?
Kevin M (ba404b) — 9/16/2024 @ 8:34 amhttps://wapo.st/4ddWXN7
I guess those gun statutes are enforced sometimes.
Kevin M (04a773) — 9/16/2024 @ 8:37 am@302
I suspect…
*crickets*
whembly (477db6) — 9/16/2024 @ 8:44 amThirteen minutes, whembly?
Unserious.
I discussed her “muddled comments on Hamas”, but this isn’t a policy election, IMO, it’s a character election and a referendum on which administration should continue, Trump or the Democrat version.
If there’s one policy where I agree with Kamala, it’s about Ukraine, but even then, her boss is slow-walking deliveries and tying their hands on striking legitimate military targets in Russia.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/16/2024 @ 8:50 amBeyond that, I doubt there’s another policy of hers that I support. But then, I’m not voting for her, and I’m spending most of the time on the bigger problem, IMO, which is the mentally ill malignant narcissist sexual-abusing coup-attempting lying convicted-felon con man fraud bully at the top of the GOP ticket.
With regards to the discussions that political rhetoric should or should NOT be blamed for the 2 assassinations…
It’s one thing to take a principled position that the rhetoric does not bear blame for the lunatics, but it’s something else entirely different to insist that the disfavored side owns every “result” of it’s own rhetoric while the favored side owns none of them.
…if you’re wondering why so many are cranky now…
whembly (477db6) — 9/16/2024 @ 8:51 amAt least they aren’t whinging back and forth about it. You’ve become the Hamlet on the Pecos.
When Haley dropped out, saying that Trump had to “earn the votes of those in our party and beyond who did not support him” she was delusional that Trump would do so, and since then that’s proven to be correct. The Trump campaign has thumbed their noses at Haley and her supporters, most of which will end up supporting Trump anyway.
Haley’s “strong endorsement” at the convention won’t allow her to pick up anything; she had to beg for a speaking slot at the convention, and was booed to boot. Even if Trump loses (unlikely), the new Republican party won’/t unify around her. She is everything MAGA hates. The Republican 2028 candidates will be some variety of MAGA: Vance (the logical next in line), Stefanik, one of the Trump siblings, etc.
Haley’s previous brand of Republicanism is dead.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/16/2024 @ 8:56 amHow very Communist.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/16/2024 @ 8:58 amShould have the NYT known 18 months ago that Routh was going to attempt an assassination?
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/16/2024 @ 9:06 amBreaking news for some here: Anyone can call in a bomb threat, just like anyone can show up to a rally carrying tiki torches. There is as much proof that MAGA is behind the threats as there is that Haitians are eating cats.
lloyd (a980e0) — 9/16/2024 @ 9:23 amTrump claiming the Haitians are here illegally is incorrect. I’ll concede it’s wrong to leave that impression when folks concede it’s wrong for economic refugees to score asylum status and that it’s at odds with our immigration laws. The fact that they are 98% good people doing good work is irrelevant.
lloyd (a980e0) — 9/16/2024 @ 9:28 amlloyd (a980e0) — 9/16/2024 @ 9:23 am
If someone was sincere about the eating of cats, it makes no sense to phone in bomb threats. People can claim it makes sense – i> those MAGA people are crazy, n’est-ce pas? – but it is not so.
But if someone was organizing phony claims about the killing or eating of cats then the same people might have been behind both.
But if Vance used it – and he did – he must have support from MAGA for the claims.
And that the cat eating claims came from MAGA and the bomb threats from anti-MAGA does not look to me too likely – it came too fast. And the complaints about both seem to be too similarly spread.
My conclusion is: It is most likely that there is a anti-Trump operation that has ben penetrated and subverted by pro-Harris people,
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 9/16/2024 @ 9:38 amTrailer trash who stir up hate by falsely accusing people of stealing and eating pets are far more likely to call in bomb threats than people who not stir up hate by falsely accusing people of stealing and eating pets.
nk (bb1548) — 9/16/2024 @ 9:54 amIs fundamental understanding of human nature, comrades.
nk (bb1548) — 9/16/2024 @ 9:56 amOr, and I’m serious here, it’s the obvious thing, not a giant conspiracy.
MAGA has admitted they’re ginning this up to get immigration front page again. The proud boys are marching in town, and the American Nazi party is in town passing out flyers.
When you hear hoofbeats…
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/16/2024 @ 9:59 amI’m a fan of the razors, both Occam’s and Hanlon’s, which is why I don’t take factless false flag assertions seriously.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/16/2024 @ 10:20 amHopefully, this comment will take.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/16/2024 @ 10:28 amMr. Williamson went to Springfield…
Link: https://thedispatch.com/newsletter/wanderland/exotic-cat-eaters-springfield-ohio/
The Atlantic’s loss is The Dispatch’s gain. A local minister told Williamson that what Haitians need most are driving lessons, as Ohio doesn’t require driving tests.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/16/2024 @ 10:29 amHow very Communist.
I wasn’t they guy demanding denouncements. I was just returning fire.
Kevin M (95e0ed) — 9/16/2024 @ 11:03 amwhat Haitians need most are driving lessons
People from 1st world countries have experience with cars nearly from birth. People from 3rd world countries do not and may not have any experience (other than occasional travel on a bus or train) with vehicle speeds. Their reaction times are suspect. Personally, I’d give them the same provisional licenses we give 16yos, and even that is missing the mark as they don’t have 16 years of observation.
Kevin M (95e0ed) — 9/16/2024 @ 11:10 amnk (bb1548) — 9/16/2024 @ 9:54 am
Yes, it is the same people, or same organization, but it doesn’t make sense for a pro-MAGA person to call in a bomb threat and say it is because of the pets or Haitians – all that the published reports say is something like:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/09/16/ohio-colleges-haitian-threats-trump/75243429007
It makes no sense at all. These people making these threats are trying to help defeat Trump.
And I’ll say the original cat killing and eating s meme is also something to defeat Trump. They got Vance and then Trump to say it. (Vance knows better but he feels bound to not criticize Trump)
One idea, which is probably not exactly true:
1) Putin starts up a disinformation campaign to help Trump because he thinks Trump will help him win the war in Ukraine.
2) The person he puts in charge wants to do the opposite of Putin, because he thinks there will no end to the war, and somebody he knows might get killed, and besides he doesn’t want to get sanctioned by the USA. So if Putin wants Trump, he will want Trump to lose.
3) Official contacts the U.S. government or is already in contact.
4) U.S. government official contacts somebody associated with the Democratic Party (supposedly to warn them)
5) Democrat contacts Russian person running the disinformation operation or somebody else involved..
6) They decide to combat it with judo – use the opponents strength against himself.
7) So arranges to make ridiculous charges that will boomerang.
8. Republican campaign is already a little penetrated by Russian operatives – another reason Putin wants Trump – because Trump trusts the wrong people.
9. After controversy, arranges for bomb threats to increase the political effect..
10. Putin doesn’t mind because he has no understanding of way people think in the United States. Russian official who sabotaged Putin’s disinformation campaign is sitting pretty. Putin thinks he is doing good and it is working.
This may not be right but it makes more sense than any other ideas to explain all of this.
The people who said, not seriously, that Laura Looper may be a Democratic operative may be closer to the truth than they think. Somebody is. But may be a triple agent.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 9/16/2024 @ 12:06 pmWho’s “they”, and how did they make Trump and Vance say it? Vance has admitted he was trying to make a point.
Rip Murdock (fc3b85) — 9/16/2024 @ 12:16 pmI listened to it five times over, and I heard Rich Lowry say “Haitian n—-rs”, at the 0:43 mark. Disappointing.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/16/2024 @ 12:24 pmRip Murdock (2f0bf1) — 9/15/2024 @ 3:14 pm
The sniper’s nest, why Routh stayed for almost 12 hours (1:59 am till he was spotted at 1:30 pm – as determined by his cell phone) was outside the boundaries of the club (The Secret Service has a thing only going so far as the perimeters go)
The golf course at the 5th hole goes right up to the street. Outside is South Congress Street. When Trump was president, the street was closed to traffic whenever he played. (But if was there since 2 am he could have hidden himself before the street was closed off, so that still might not have been enough.)
Golfing there was not on Trump’s public schedule but somebody wo researched things enough might know that h e frequently golfed there when he was in Florida – several times a week.
Trump lamented to Sean Hannity that he was about to get a birdie when his game was interrupted – he was getting ready to putt, when a Secret Service agent, at the next hole, noticed a rifle sticking out of the bushes. They immediately fired, and the agents pushed Trump down, but they missed, but the would-be assassin (who so far has only been charged with being a felon with a gun and having a firearm with an eradicated serial number, but not with attempted murder) dropped everything – he left behind the rifle and 2 backpacks and his Go Pro camera – who did he think would want to post the shooting? – and fled to s car.
But a passerby took a picture of the car along with its license number and turned it over to the police of Secret Service. So they knew his number. Maybe later a traffic camera traced it.
They did not want to get into a high speed car chase, so they were careful how they followed the car and they eventually forced him off the road, and he surrendered
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 9/16/2024 @ 12:26 pmRip Murdock (fc3b85) — 9/16/2024 @ 12:16 pm
Whatever conspiracy of people invented the story. And it might have been backed up with material supplied to Vance and Trump in the form of fake 911 calls and fake or misidentified video.
They infiltrated the Trump campaign or connected with it. That has to be the truth. That’ how the fake endorsement of Trump by Taylor Swift, which Taylor Swift was made aware oof ad said that was why she went public with her endorsement got re”tweeted” by Trump. Nobody genuinely for Trump could imagine that that fake endorsement would last – this was not a few days before Election Day. It could be, of course, that Trump simply recirculates anything that redounds to his favor, but still somebody has to call it to his attention.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 9/16/2024 @ 12:40 pmVance is almost floundering.
From the Wall Street Journal article printed Momday, September 16, 2024, page A5:
On Sunday, Vance defended his circulation of the pet-eating claims, saying that he was merely echoing reports he had heard from Ohio constituents, whom he didn’t identify. The paragraph you skipped:
I don’t know what that is, but it seems to me that Vance is claiming to have personally spoken to people who claimed to have seen this.
Vance is either outright lying (and would he dare, without consulting Trump?) or he was the target of a disinformation campaigns.
And that would explain why a strange improbable anti-Irregular immigrant story involved Ohio. Only people from Ohio could hope to get through to Senator Vance. Setting this in Nebraska wouldn’t work. It wasn’t that the Republicans are trying to lose Ohio.
Continuing with the WSJ article:
Read the next paragraph:
Vance seems to be giving every possible answer here.
If he tried to say it is justified because he got the American media interested in something else anti0aitian he took it back. He denied he had concocted the story.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 9/16/2024 @ 12:53 pm
Rip Murdock (fc3b85) — 9/16/2024 @ 12:57 pm🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
LOL! That’s about a fact free post if there ever was one.
Assuming this true (a monstrous assumption) it just shows how easily Trump and Vance can be played. 🤣🤣🤣😜
Rip Murdock (fc3b85) — 9/16/2024 @ 1:01 pmVance also had a problem is explaining how proposed Trump tax law changes: NO tax on tips, no tax on overtime and no tax on Social Security benefits, was consistent with fiscal conservatism.
Of course Harris has her own unfunded (as far as I know) middle class tax cut:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/harris-trump-presidential-debate-transcript/story?id=113560542
That sounds like elimination of taxation of the first $50,000 a new business makes. No doubt with all sorts of hoops and levers, but still.
This is actually an idea of Al Sharpton’s, except that when he was promoting it some years ago, (2004?) it was only $20,000 I think.
This doesn’t seem to be it:
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Al+Sharpton++tax++cut+%2420%2c000+businesess+start+deduction+2004&qpvt=al+sharpton++tax++cut+%2420%2c000+businesess+start+deduction+2004&FORM=VDRE
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 9/16/2024 @ 1:13 pmThe Taliban and RFK Jr. have something in common: Anti-vax.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/16/2024 @ 1:14 pmThe Miami US Attorney is currently speaking at the press conference regarding the assassination attempt.
Markenzy Lapointe “ was born in Port-au-Prince, Haiti.“
Hahaha! Tell me God doesn’t have a sense of humor.
BuDuh (b6117a) — 9/16/2024 @ 1:21 pmAssumes absolutely nothing in evidence.
Rip Murdock (fc3b85) — 9/16/2024 @ 1:32 pmRip Murdock (fc3b85) — 9/16/2024 @ 1:01 pm
Whoever invented the story, it’s monstrous.
No, because we don’t know how long the deception could be maintained if it wasn’t publicized.
We do know that Trump long ago dropped the idea of the DNC server being supposedly in Ukraine.
What we’re getting now is Trump being stubborn – unwilling to admit he was wrong anywhere.
The New York Post (or Gerbil) today described the pet-eat claims as dubious:
https://nypost.com/2024/09/15/us-news/jd-vance-digs-in-heels-on-wild-pet-consumption-rumors-as-gop-ohio-gov-defends-migrants
An editorial today also didn’t disagree it was false, but said there were other problems with the increase in the Haitian population:
https://nypost.com/2024/09/15/opinion/forget-the-ducks-the-harris-biden-border-crisis-punishes-everyone-in-america [entitled The Full Open-Border Bill in the printed paper.
And there’s also a mention in a column about Eric Adams by Nicole Gelinas
https://nypost.com/2024/09/15/opinion/scandal-incompetence-puts-adams-at-risk-of-irrelevance
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 9/16/2024 @ 1:35 pmI know, but what do you assume in the absence of evidence?
This is the simplest possible explanation. In no other way does anything that happened make sense.
I’ll be looking for evidence.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 9/16/2024 @ 1:39 pmPaul Montagu (062117) — 9/16/2024 @ 1:14 pm
In Pakistan, there are people looking for concessions and inducements by the government in return for agreeing to allow the polio vaccination program to go forward.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/13/world/asia/pakistan-polio.html
Maybe it could also be a negotiating ploy by the Taliban.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 9/16/2024 @ 1:49 pmThe would be assassin was interviewed by the New York Times in an article published March 25, 2023 (sometimes these are researched for months – the interview could stem from 2022)
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/25/world/europe/volunteers-us-ukraine-lies.html
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 9/16/2024 @ 1:55 pmOMG,
Trump and Vance are strong because they tell the inconvenient truth of the illegal Venezuelan Haitians.
Trump and Vance are strong because they they admit when they’re wrong.
Trump and Vance are strong because they were made fools of.
Or, hear me out, they’re just fools. I know, there’s never been any incident, not even one, where they’ve said and done moronic things. At least that I have heard in the last 3 minutes. Months, well, that’s a slightly larger number, maybe only in the low millions, lifetime, ooh boy.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/16/2024 @ 2:07 pmSo, Trump is so dumb, and Harris so smart, to convince Trump to keep doubling down on the most moronic thing possible.
And saying that Trump is a fool, who was fooled, makes him look better?
Dude, this just proves that he shouldn’t be negotiating with anyone who graduated from elementary school, the bestest graduations school.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/16/2024 @ 2:15 pmI’m going to repeat part of a comment I posted upthread. By the time it came out of moderation, I doubt anyone saw it. It’s Pat’s concise and damning take on the dispute that’s consumed much of this thread:
lurker (c23034) — 9/16/2024 @ 2:21 pmlurker (c23034) — 9/16/2024 @ 2:21 pm
I disagree.
As distasteful this is, making the other side play by their own rules becomes an important task. You do have to fight in the mud…in the gutters at some point.
Democrats have spent decades claiming that every utterance by a Republican is an incitement to violence. They chase down every Republican politician, every center-right commentariats to defend or actively denounce every bad actors in their “group”. In a very, extremely asymmetrical manner.
They even tried to say that Trump standing up and saying “fight” after he was shot was inciteful!!! A legit, “how wore a short skirt” premise!
So, please…pretty please why is it not fair game to point out when Dems use inflammatory language leading up to one of their own trying to kill Trump?
Most on this board blame Trump’s inflammatory language in the aftermath of the 2020 election the led to J6.
Is it, or is it not different?
Make it make sense!
whembly (477db6) — 9/16/2024 @ 2:36 pmUgh… would be nice to have edit features here…
Meant to say:
whembly (477db6) — 9/16/2024 @ 2:38 pmA legit, “he work a short skirt!”…
LOL! Good luck. Let us know if you also find Sasquatch. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/16/2024 @ 2:43 pmColonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/16/2024 @ 2:07 pm
Trump never admits he was wrong, and Vance never admits Trump was wrong – at least till November 5 – or January 20 maybe.
They’re not strong doing that.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 9/16/2024 @ 2:44 pmSince there is no evidence of an “anti-Trump operation”, I take it at face value that Vance was sincere in his cat eating storytelling, and that Trump picked up on it to repeat during the debate.
No grand conspiracy is necessary.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/16/2024 @ 2:47 pmRIP founding member of the Jackson 5 Tito Jackson (70):
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/16/2024 @ 3:08 pmWhich candidate is less irresponsible on the deficit? Harris, or the Loser? Natasha Sarin is a partisan, but she isn’t wrong when she claims Harris is better on the deficit. And her opponent is a man who has six! bankruptcies to his debit.
(Sarin gives too much credit to Clinton for achieving surpluses, not even mentioning George H. W. Bush’s “peace dividend”, and the fact that for six years, Clinton faced a Republican Congress led by Bob Dole and Newt Gingrich.
Judging only by that experience, if we want to see federal deficits cut, we should elect Harris and, as soon as possible, a Republican Congress. Preferably one with more work horses and fewer show horses.)
Jim Miller (d8fd89) — 9/16/2024 @ 3:10 pmDeWine is reporting that all 33 bomb threats in Springfield were hoaxes, a number of them from overseas, of which a number are from a particular country, and it’s an easy guess which country, IMO, rhymes with Fussia.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/16/2024 @ 3:32 pmAnd someone, whose name rhymes with Futin, just endorsed Kamala.
This is a curious development, Paul.
BuDuh (b6117a) — 9/16/2024 @ 3:39 pmPaul, I’m shocked, shocked I tell you.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/16/2024 @ 3:41 pmWe’ve been over Putin’s psy-op endorsement. It’s like catnip to the MAGA rubes.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/16/2024 @ 3:49 pmFrom Paul’s article:
Let me see if I understand this dastardly plan.
Trump riled up his MAGA base to be their normal racist selves. He painted an easy target for them to direct their ignorant ire. Foreigners took over and called in the bomb threats. Trump is then is pinned as the mastermind of his own bad publicity stunt as a result of Russian interference.
That is pretty slick.
Not being any sort of ad wizard myself, I would have thought he would have asked his Russian friends to do something that would have made him look good.
But I will trust Paul and Klink on their Underpants Gnomes theory. It must make sense somehow…
BuDuh (b6117a) — 9/16/2024 @ 4:05 pmSWATters use VPN for VoIP all the time to hide the origin of the call and a lot of VPNs are based in Russia as the Russian trollbots here could testify.
It could be a guy with a laptop outside the school or hospital and it would show as coming from Ekaterinburg.
nk (bb1548) — 9/16/2024 @ 4:16 pmSo Paul’s source is premature and likely incorrect, nk?
BuDuh (b6117a) — 9/16/2024 @ 4:21 pmIf I were in the OHSP I’d probably use the wordpress shortcode converter plugin available for Chrome to flag which VPN or TOR endpoint is consistently used.
I know on this blog, if you convert, it’s weird that suspected sockies all have the same endpoint.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/16/2024 @ 4:30 pmIOW, nk, I think you identified Paul’s and Klink’s “catnip.”
👍
BuDuh (b6117a) — 9/16/2024 @ 4:33 pmPaul’s source is Republican Governor Mike DeWine
and Paul said so. I have used VoIP but never VPN so I do not have the expertise to strongly assert that DeWine is premature or likely incorrect.
nk (bb1548) — 9/16/2024 @ 4:34 pmOk. Thanks. So Paul source about the threats being foreign born is probably correct? I tend to agree.
BuDuh (b6117a) — 9/16/2024 @ 4:41 pmThe Independent took DeWine’s words mean that “at least some of them had come from overseas”, and that’s how I took it, too.
One thing we can all expect from Trump (and his little VP boy, too) is that he won’t turn down the extreme rhetoric.
This is really beneath contempt for this contemptible human.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/16/2024 @ 5:12 pmUnlike its alleged Senator J. the D is for Organ Grinder’s Monkey Vance, DeWine is looking out for his State and its peace and dignity.
nk (bb1548) — 9/16/2024 @ 5:21 pmNo fascists callouts for thee, but it’s okay for me.
Quite a bit of the extreme rhetoric will stop when one particular candidate puts a sock in the extreme rhetoric.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/16/2024 @ 5:21 pmAn assertion without evidence. It’s easy to spoof the origin of phone calls, so I would take it with a grain of salt.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/16/2024 @ 5:23 pmExtreme rhetoric is a one-way street, doncha know.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/16/2024 @ 5:25 pmthe person responsible for the violence is the violent person.
BuDuh (b6117a) — 9/16/2024 @ 5:38 pmHence why I said “quite a bit”, Rip, but there’s one side that’s dehumanizing humans, as Catoggio articulated.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/16/2024 @ 5:39 pmUS Secret Service says it is aware of Musk post about Biden, Harris
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/16/2024 @ 5:41 pmMan the left wing trolls are out in force today trying to deflect from another assassination attempt.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 9/16/2024 @ 5:54 pmWhat’s the weather like on alt-Earth, Rob?
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/16/2024 @ 6:14 pmHow come you’re afraid to answer my questions?
Poor Vance. He made this bed in his blind ambition, but it is really hard to operate coherently inside the Trumpian message domain.
Kevin M (7383ec) — 9/16/2024 @ 6:28 pmMan the left wing trolls are out in force today trying to deflect from another assassination attempt.
The defining thing about this guy was that he was a multiple felon and certifiable. He may have had attitudes that align with #neverTRump, but he also had attitudes that aligned with the red lectroids from planet 10.
Kevin M (7383ec) — 9/16/2024 @ 6:30 pmTom Nichols…
After some throat-clearing, including “I want our government to ensure his safety—I am willing to be taxed to pay for his security”…
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/16/2024 @ 6:33 pmKevin,
you know what these mobys are and they’ve made this site worse for it. All it takes is being MeverTrump and their vile remarks are tolerated and applauded.
When they didn’t get responses, they kept on bringing up names of their betters to try and provoke a response.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 9/16/2024 @ 6:47 pmPaul Montagu (062117) — 9/16/2024 @ 3:32 pm
Putin’s spy agencies wouldn’t be hat obvious,
.
More likely it’s some NATO country.
https://vsquare.org/leaked-files-putin-troll-factory-russia-european-elections-factory-of-fakes
An
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 9/16/2024 @ 6:47 pmFTR, I wrote 8 comments yesterday (the first of which triggered BuDuh) concerning the assassination attempt, which is the opposite of “deflect”, hence alt-Earth.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/16/2024 @ 6:48 pmYesterday, CNN reported that he chose “unaffiliated” for a political party in 2012, and I haven’t heard or read that it changed since that time. He’s right where he belongs, behind bars, and hopefully he’ll stay there for a good, long time.
Sammy,
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/16/2024 @ 6:51 pmMedvedchuk was jailed in Ukraine for treason, and then he was sent to Russia in a prisoner exchange. Medvedchuk’s daughter has Putin for her godfather. The Russian Godfather is a godfather.
Again, lacking evidence.
Rip Murdock (fc3b85) — 9/16/2024 @ 6:59 pmMKH on Biden admin foot-dragging on the previous assassination.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/16/2024 @ 7:12 pmNJRobb, there are like 2 actual liberals on this site. There are other people who are liberal on one or two issues, or who are moderate, but there are only maybe 2 actual liberals.
Nic (120c94) — 9/16/2024 @ 7:23 pmNic @378
Comedy gold!
lloyd (f283a3) — 9/16/2024 @ 7:31 pmSean ‘Diddy’ Combs arrested in New York after grand jury indictment, reports say
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/16/2024 @ 7:54 pmVance: Dems need to ‘cut this crap out’ after possible assassination attempt
I’d say there’s a boy without a sense of irony.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/16/2024 @ 7:56 pmAssassination conspiracy theories, Laura Looner Edition:
Rip Murdock (a76356) — 9/16/2024 @ 8:27 pmMore conspiracy theorists:
Rip Murdock (a76356) — 9/16/2024 @ 8:36 pm@377 I am a lefty more then liberal ;but the left is starting to pass me by.
asset (0d7754) — 9/16/2024 @ 8:57 pmReagan on the people “of Haiti” and others yearning for freedom, but Reagan wouldn’t recognize Trump, this party or this cult of personality.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/16/2024 @ 9:00 pmI don’t think jd vance should be asking why yice president Harris hasn’t been assassinated yet. Its getting nasty.
asset (0d7754) — 9/16/2024 @ 9:00 pmI’ve been wondering why Trump and Vance are bleating on about the liberals bringing in “illegal Venezuelan Haitians” to Ohio.
Who the f–k do they thing runs Ohio?
I mean, I know that neither Trump nor Vance have any ties to Ohio whatsoever…what’s that…one is a REPUBLICAN senator from Ohio? Huh? Weird.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/16/2024 @ 9:05 pmRecapping the results from my questions from last night.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/16/2024 @ 9:30 pm–MAGA 1: Troll
–MAGA 2: Crickets
–MAGA 3: Crickets
–MAGA 4: No condemnation of Trump for his multiple lies, no blame for Trump for the bomb threats
–MAGA 5: See MAGA 4
When you have an idiot spouting such a mountain of shyte, sometimes you miss some doozies
‘Not that simple’: Trump drags Canadian river into California’s water problems
He might be talking about the Columbia River, which doesn’t flow into California and there is no mechanism today to make it so. That’s just plain dumb.
Or…he’s as mentally defective as he sounds, and thinks there’s an actual big faucet “as big as that building over there” that you turn to make water flow into the Pacific, or LA, or something. Idiot, I mean clinically, IQ below 25, he’d have to smarten up to get to imbecile and triple up for moron.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/16/2024 @ 9:36 pmAnother MAGA galaxy brain
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/16/2024 @ 9:45 pmMy brother who was an engineer, who lived in the Bay Area since the Beatles broke up, who has studied the water issue in CA for the last five decades, told me that Trump is completely ignorant and full of sh-t on water. Forest management, too. The situation is way too complicated for him to comprehend. There won’t be taking any water from Oregon or the Columbia.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/16/2024 @ 10:13 pm@359
One thing we can all expect from Trump (and his little VP boy, too) is that he won’t turn down the extreme rhetoric.
Trump: “Democrats said please don’t call immigrants animals. I said, no, they’re not humans, they’re animals.”
This is really beneath contempt for this contemptible human.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/16/2024 @ 5:12 pm
LOL Paul, that quote is from April, and here’s what he said before Kamala HQ lied about it:
“The 22-year-old nursing student in Georgia who was barbarically murdered by an illegal alien animal. The Democrats say, ‘please don’t call them animals, they’re humans.’ I said ‘no, they’re not humans, they’re animals.'”
I’m surprised you don’t remember, because you lied about it then just as Kamala and you are lying about it now. The Georgia student is Laken Riley, and yes the person who raped and murdered her is an animal, just as others who have committed violent crimes are animals.
But keep lying about the timing and lying about what he said, because Kamala needs folks like you to buttress her lies.
lloyd (f283a3) — 9/16/2024 @ 10:14 pmThe only question is why Meta is banning Russia Today today and not years ago.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/16/2024 @ 10:22 pmHi Crickets. Trump dehumanizes humans frequently, like he did six days ago and six months ago.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/16/2024 @ 10:24 pmSo Trump said it, referring to people. Paul claimed that he said it and linked to the words from when it happened. But he’s lying about the words Trump said and when he said it, you just don’t like that the fat stupid racist was quoted saying fat stupid racist things.
He could have said the guy was a murderer, he also didn’t say he, he said they.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/16/2024 @ 10:25 pmHi Liar. You even lie about people ignoring your inane questions. See @311 @312, Liar. You lie frequently, like you did today and six months ago. You even recycle your own lies. When are you going to recycle the Musk Russian Cybertruck lie? Did you forget you told that one too? Is there a Kamala lie you won’t repeat?
lloyd (f283a3) — 9/16/2024 @ 10:44 pmOoh, angry little cricket.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/16/2024 @ 10:49 pmAppalled @298: “Frankly, I think it is Trump’s tendency to make himself the center that is drawing the murderous nutjobs.”
Democrats Accuse Trump Of Inciting Further Violence By Not Dying.
lloyd (f283a3) — 9/16/2024 @ 10:50 pmFunny how you bullies get so irate when someone punches back, and I’ll note that twice lied about me in this very thread. I’m waiting for you to follow Trump’s suit and play the victim now.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/16/2024 @ 10:53 pm@397 Ooh angry little liar.
lloyd (f283a3) — 9/16/2024 @ 10:54 pmSocky, it’s not funny if you just repeat his burn of you.
Nuhuh, you are. WellDuhhh
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/16/2024 @ 10:56 pmGreat question below, and great that Mr. Hasan skewered Ms. Stein for refusing to concede that Putin is a war criminal.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/16/2024 @ 11:09 pmwhembly (477db6) — 9/16/2024 @ 2:36 pm
So many evasions and changes of subject. Pat made two straightforward assertions. I’ll repeat them:
If you disputed the accuracy of either assertion — and, no, “whatabout”s and “two can play at that game”s are evasions, not denials — I couldn’t find it.
lurker (c23034) — 9/16/2024 @ 11:25 pm@403 What happened In Springfield? Unsupported accusations that Haitians ate cats and unsupported accusations that MAGA called in bomb threats. Anything else?
lloyd (f283a3) — 9/16/2024 @ 11:43 pmTwo assassination attempts on a presidential candidate, one within an inch of being successful, seems like something serious.
lloyd (f283a3) — 9/16/2024 @ 11:51 pmIf the assassination attempts were against the other candidates, seriously, what would we be hearing right now? Be honest.
lloyd (f283a3) — 9/16/2024 @ 11:53 pmTypical MAGA, you have to be fair, if my guy is bad, you have to find a way to make the other guy bad. F–k that. If Trump is fact checked 3 times out of 33 lies in the debate, it’s unfair that Harris was only fact check on 1 of 4. It’s fair, Trump’s a lying sack of shyte, he only lies. The tell are the mouth noises.
Vance began amplifying (not and unsubstantiated) lies from the depths of Facebook (Oh, and yesterday admitted they’re making them up to divert attention), also pushed by Loomer. Trump took it, and has now repeated it every day. It is a made up story, everyone knows it’s a made up story. There’s no f–king “both sides”. Vance also tried to both sides a thing saying it was media’s job to find citizens saying these things in Springfield.
1)He had just said he created the story.
2)The original Facebook poster said it was made up.
3)About 500 reporters are in Springfield, for a week, and no one, anywhere, can find a soul. If Vance believes his “reports” are called by human people, find one.
4)The 500 reporters there have seen proud boys marching through the streets and the American Nazi party marching and passing out flyers.
So, Trump and Vance spend a week telling their feeble minded toe suckers that the brown people are eating the pets. Nazi’s and their cuddle buddies show up, and then all these calls start coming in to places that serve the locals. That’s not a shadowy conspiracy, that’s a straight line, in neon, blinking, with air horns, shooting fireworks out of its crack.
That’s not two sides bubba, that’s a hateful bunch of Nazi’s doing Nazi things. If one side has Nazi’s, the people in the foxhole with them are…f–cking Nazi’s.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/17/2024 @ 12:03 amYup, but you think it’s not because he’s been preaching ATTACK for 9 years.
Do people shooting at him make him less of a piece of shyte?
Do you seriously think that Trump would be out condemning it? you know, like Harris, Biden, Walz, Romney…in fact find a person on this blog or a public official that said it’s a bad thing that they arrested this guy before he shot.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/17/2024 @ 12:09 amNice Kevin Williamson essay, The Exotic Cat-Eaters of Springfield, Ohio. Here’s how it begins:
lurker (c23034) — 9/17/2024 @ 1:42 amHere’s how it ends:
The meat is in between. Read the whole thing.
lurker (c23034) — 9/17/2024 @ 1:49 amBoth Crooks and Routh could have been Vay Jay Dance’s childhood neighbors in Walmartinique.
nk (47c0eb) — 9/17/2024 @ 2:38 amAnd something else. If Routh has kept his mouth shut and made no incriminating statements, he has a very good chance of beating this (possibly staged) Trump Fundraising Event.
It’s noteworthy the way the Trump camp took the discussion to “rhetoric” making us tacitly accept their presumptions.
nk (47c0eb) — 9/17/2024 @ 4:03 am@409 Did anyone catch the Holocaust reference? It’s so subtle, you might miss it.
lloyd (f283a3) — 9/17/2024 @ 6:10 amWooo… fellas… just realize where we are.
Less than 2 months to the election.
It’s crazy time ya’ll.
Buckle up!
whembly (477db6) — 9/17/2024 @ 6:27 amIt’s odd how many people don’t know that humans are animals. And that “animal” is used as both an insult and a compliment.
And it is sad that so many people don’t understand how much we can learn from other animals. There is evidence, for example, that kids grow up better if the family has a dog.
Many adults in the US could learn from those very successful birds, crows. They are, for example, better at “pair bonding”.
And so on.
Jim Miller (3f8215) — 9/17/2024 @ 6:43 amWooo… JD was spitting fire last night:
whembly (477db6) — 9/17/2024 @ 7:05 am@409 Did anyone catch the Holocaust reference? It’s so subtle, you might miss it.
The fact that Trump has been using the Nazi playbook has always been obvious to anyone who knows a smidgen of history. It gets him a little extra from the Russian skinheads too.
Make Adolf Great Again!
nk (47c0eb) — 9/17/2024 @ 7:15 amThere’s a weird story coming out of Lebanon, of Israel hacking Hezbollah pagers and causing them to explode.
Pagers? What were they, packed with M-80s?
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/17/2024 @ 7:33 amOne of the “victims” is an Iranian Ambassador. Figures.
Here’s some video.
Trump poisons the blood of comment threads.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/17/2024 @ 7:33 amWhembly,
thank you for that post. JD Vance is proving his mettle and was a solid pick. Shows he is capable of stepping up if called upon and has the pulse on what actually matters in America.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 9/17/2024 @ 7:48 amOregon DMV mistakenly registered more than 300 non-citizens to vote since 2021
lloyd (376756) — 9/17/2024 @ 7:49 amPaul and Klink spend so much time reporting whatever they read off of their Laura Loomer feeds, I decided it might be worth it to look her up.
nk might find this interesting. Apparently actual Nazis hate her because she is Jewish, and they want her thrown in an oven.
Wow!
Trump really picks the strangest Nazi sympathizers, doesn’t he.
BuDuh (b6117a) — 9/17/2024 @ 7:50 amTim Pool is back to parroting Russian propaganda…
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/17/2024 @ 8:06 amColonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/17/2024 @ 12:09 am
Shorter Klink: He had it coming.
Kevin M (e2ddc4) — 9/17/2024 @ 8:30 amSo, Trump and Vance spend a week telling their feeble minded toe suckers
This is exactly why we have MAGA. Arrogant fools who think everyone who disagrees with them must be stupid..
Kevin M (e2ddc4) — 9/17/2024 @ 8:32 am421. Laura Loomer, BuDuh? Not Jared and Ivanka Kushner and their three kids, Trump’s grandkids? And when you have a moment, read a little about Jared’s grandfather.
George Orwell called it Doublethink. The ability to harbor two or more mutually exclusive thoughts. And we have an example of Doubletalk from J. so that’s what the “D” stands for! Vance posted by whembly up the thread at 415.
nk (47c0eb) — 9/17/2024 @ 8:53 amMessianic
Related:
The Secret Service has said that Routh did not fire any shots at the former President, nor was the former President in his line of sight.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/17/2024 @ 9:18 amSo no bullets were flying, Rip?
If there were bullets flying, do you have any clue as to why?
BuDuh (7f1511) — 9/17/2024 @ 9:32 amYeah, Donnie 2-inch has been dropping napalm every time he communicates.
He is a threat to democracy, he is a piece of human filth, so vote. Getting not shot at doesn’t make him less of it.
Did you want less Trump noise when someone tried to assassinate Biden, or Obama, or…
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/17/2024 @ 10:00 am#415 (whembly)
JD Vance is an intelligent guy, and he does the best job he can with the cards he dealt himself. But the thing he ignores is that part of the media’s free speech is choosing what they cover. Trump was not shot at in this assassination attempt, because of the work of the Secret Service. So, In our troubled, celebrity obsessed society, fokguess what, there not being much of a visual to the story, it doesn’t register.
As you may recall, there was a school shooting in Winder GA the other day. JD’s reaction was that school shootings are a fact of life and we need more security at the schools to deal with it. the school shpoting because troubled people can make a big splash with one of these.
It’s pretty much the same with shooting at Trump. Trump advertises himself as a big change agent. Well, you can make a big, big, splash by shooting at him. If you are looking for fame, here’s a way to get it. I would submit that JD’s reaction ought to be much the same as with the Winder shooting — it’s a fact of life in this society that folks may shoot at him, so he should get better security. (That should have happened after Pennsylvania, IMHO.).
Vance is well schooled in history and recent history, so when he focuses on Hatians in Springfield (and does so inaccurately), he knows he has drawn the bad people in his movement to Springfield. Springfield has suffered a lot, because of his focus on it. Trump — well he got tackled by the secret service (that had to hurt) and had to stop his golf game and hit the Truth Social button and fundraise on the point that some mythical “they” were out to get him and missed again.
JD makes the best possible debate club argument for his position — and like many such arguments, it is deeply unpleasent.
Appalled (ad1293) — 9/17/2024 @ 10:28 amIf only there were a preview button…*sigh*
Appalled (ad1293) — 9/17/2024 @ 10:29 amRip?
BuDuh (7f1511) — 9/17/2024 @ 10:34 amSpringfield has been hurt a lot because Biden has dumped economic migrants there that don’t understand the language or culture, are bankrupting and overwhelming the services there and causing American citizens to be abandoned.
But carry on Appalled.
NJRob (2de549) — 9/17/2024 @ 10:43 amhttps://www.zerohedge.com/political/cnn-worries-trump-assassination-attempts-are-helping-him-politically
CNN’s moron just said the truth out loud. Like so many others she doesn’t care that someone is trying to murder their political opponent. She’s just upset it might help him politically.
NJRob (2de549) — 9/17/2024 @ 10:45 amMore Trump-sniffing tripe. The town of Springfield wanted immigrants to come there, per their own 2014 resolution. Wait, don’t tell me, the Springfield News-Sun is a “leftist source”!
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/17/2024 @ 10:51 amPaul, you don’t give a darn about Americans so it’s no surprise that you’d react with so much hostility to Americans suffering due to tue government destroying their neighborhoods.
It’s expected. Go back to your bird dogging ways.
NJRob (2de549) — 9/17/2024 @ 11:18 am@429
No he isn’t ignoring that.
He’s making the point the asymmetrical aspect of the legacy media’s reporting.
Yeah no.
Replace the name “Trump”, with “Harris” and you’ll get a much different reaction from these media.
Do you dispute that?
He didn’t just say “it’s a fact of life”… he said he lament it, and he’s right. This is another example of legacy media choosing to frame his statements as negatively as possible.
Please tell me you’re not making a “her skirt was too short” argument here… because, it looks like that’s exactly what you’re doing.
If so, that’s a pretty disgusting.
Sure, ok appalled.
whembly (477db6) — 9/17/2024 @ 11:22 am@434
Paul… there’s a vast difference between a community open to the idea of accepting refugees and what the Biden/Harris administration has done to this community.
The idea that a town can absorb ~20k refugees of that size is dubious… at best.
Furthermore, there are rumors that the mayor has seen financial windfall due to all his rental properties.
Don’t discount the self-interest of leaderships.
whembly (477db6) — 9/17/2024 @ 11:26 amIn this hypothetical, does Harris also say all the BS Trump does? If so then yeah, but since that requires it to being in a different reality, say Earth 616 vs Earth Prime.
So no.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/17/2024 @ 11:26 amRob. Asshole. You were fact-checked.
If your argument had any merit, why did you resort to making sh-t up?
whembly, we can agree that the community had serious challenges in absorbing that many immigrants, and it’s a legitimate issue to discuss, but Rob sh@t all over that discussion with “Biden has dumped economic migrants there”, which implies that the federal government gathered them together and dropped ’em off and said ‘good luck’, which is both misleading and false. The irony here is that, instead of addressing the issue factually, Trump and his red-tie wearing Mini Me went on a racist lying spree.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/17/2024 @ 11:56 amHere is a story from December 2022 about the growing Haitian population in Springfield, Ohio:
(Incidently, the number of Haitians may be being overestimated, and there are others besides Haitians.)
https://www.hubspringfield.com/features/hatian-population-springfield-120322.aspx.
How ad when they got there:
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 9/17/2024 @ 12:58 pm@439
Doesn’t need to be hypothetically, just lies and makes up crap just as bad now.
whembly (477db6) — 9/17/2024 @ 1:09 pmhttps://abcnews.go.com/US/suspect-trump-attempted-assassination-ryan-wesley-routh/story?id=113720624
Was he interested in a form of suicide by cop? I think ABC left out the beginning here. Does he mean: Hate me as much as they hate Putin?
By the way, he doesn’t seem to realize that Iran is on the side of Russia in the war in Ukraine.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 9/17/2024 @ 1:19 pmSo that’s how they did it…
Brilliant, especially because all the pager-owners are Hezbollah operatives, having to resort to pagers because their mobiles were compromised.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/17/2024 @ 1:29 pmHere’s more on his political opinions:
And he probably didn’t know any Afghan fighters. He moved to Hawaii years ago, or maybe moved back and forth. He has a “fiancée” in Hawaii. He voted in the North Carolina Democratic primary this year.
He has an extensive criminal record, with guns and with writing bad checks.
And in 2019:
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 9/17/2024 @ 1:33 pm@440
Here’s what is irritating about your reaction Paul and others like you.
Both Trump and Vance has talked about those other issues stemming from the current administration’s open border policies. Extensively too… but the difference is what their critics chooses to highlight and ignoring all the issues in composite.
Why do they do this?
It’s called “controversializing a topic to such degree that the respondent has to spend energy to defend, leaving no time to discuss other important issues”.
Democrats, legacy media and Trump-critics do NOT want to discuss immigration polices as it’s where both Trump and Vance is the strongest.
The fact that you opined “Trump and his red-tie wearing Mini Me went on a racist lying spree”… shows confirmation-bias is in effect, where there’s no proof of a racial angle or even purposeful fabrication (this didn’t start with the Trump camp).
whembly (477db6) — 9/17/2024 @ 1:38 pmwhembly, if Trump and his underlings can’t be honest about Haitian immigrants, and keep on lying about it over and over, what else are they making sh-t up about. It undercuts the argument because they damaged their credibility. And let’s face it, Trump lies so much that he has no credibility on just about anything.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/17/2024 @ 1:55 pmOh whembly…
Why do we pick on Hatians?
Why do we bring up unproven cat bbq?
Why do we talk about Hatians bringing disease (specifically AIDS)?
Why do we extract anecdotes from wierd places. Too good to check? Would any fact checker have alowwed JD to put something like this in his book?
If JD has no racial animus, and did not wish to appeal to that element (which is pretty obvious), then why didn’t he pick some other town with some other immigrant community. It would have made more sense to have found a problem in a swing state. (I know of a couple of towns in Georgia he could have used, if this were a real concern.)
Vance earns the contempt he is getting on this. He’s been in Trumpworld long enough to know what would happen to innocent people once he started this act.
JD is a well-spoken young man. Bless his heart.
Appalled (ad1293) — 9/17/2024 @ 2:19 pm“Red meat? I can haz red meat?”
Trump has to give his marks their red meat. He cannot afford to moderate his histrionics even when it makes him look like an idiot because then the money spigot will dry up. And he has been doing it for so long that it has become a part of him and ne probably could not change even if he tried now.
nk (c041bf) — 9/17/2024 @ 2:26 pmI hear the typical leftist excuses and the refusal to discuss the actual harms affecting Americans. Much easier to fight strawman and focus on your 2 minutes of hate mantra than discuss issues affecting Americans at large.
Must be nice living in an ivory tower.
NJRob (2de549) — 9/17/2024 @ 2:55 pmGood news, long in coming. We are now beginning to cure sufferers from sickle cell, a horrible disease.
There had been a few experimental successful treatments before, but we are just beginning to treat patients on regular basis.
Here’s hoping that young Kendric Cromer is cured completely, and soon enough to have a little bit of his childhood, which up to now has been so painful.
His treatment is expected to be completed in about a month.
According to the article, about 20,000 Americans have the severe form of the disease. But many more have the disease in West Africa.
Jim Miller (cda79b) — 9/17/2024 @ 3:02 pmIt’s distressing news and points out what is wrong with health care.
It’s years later than it should be.
It’s hung up on payments and bureaucracy. And too few people can be helped. What is this? Helping a paltry few dozen on the outside of maybe 20,000 people who could be helped and that’s considered a positive story??
Why doesn’t some billionaire or foundation guarantee payment to the hospitals?
And this treatment clearly needs improvement.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 9/17/2024 @ 3:27 pmAppalled (ad1293) — 9/17/2024 @ 2:19 pm
He didn’t pick it. He was targeted.
Possibly by a Russian disinformation operation that had been penetrated by Democrats.
He would only have taken calls from people purporting (or maybe really) coming from Ohio. And it was about eating cats
Not the bomb threats. They came from overseas. And he never accused any particular individuals of eating cats.
The same age as Richard Nxon was when he was first nominated for Vice President in 1952. Well, half a year older.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 9/17/2024 @ 3:35 pm383. asset (0d7754) — 9/16/2024 @ 9:00 pm
That was Elon Musk, not JD Vance.
Musk deleted his tweet or whatever he calls it nw.it.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 9/17/2024 @ 3:37 pmhttps://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/16/opinion/springfield-immigration.html
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 9/17/2024 @ 3:51 pmFor J. the “D” is Dogs Are Not Dinner They’re Dates Vance:
https://www.floridasportsman.com/editorial/florida-varmint-hunting/399813
nk (c041bf) — 9/17/2024 @ 3:51 pmA recipe for bobcat backstrap can also be found at the link.
But arguments like this are not coming from Democrats.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 9/17/2024 @ 3:51 pmGeorgia woman dies because of ga. abortion law delayed treatment. (DU)
asset (4c828c) — 9/17/2024 @ 3:54 pmThe Georgia law, or lawyers who were probably members of Planned Parenthood?
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 9/17/2024 @ 4:01 pmFor everyone’s viewing pleasure.
Jim Miller (1caadf) — 9/17/2024 @ 4:35 pm@456 Sammy, that’s a great arguments for these migrants, but that has nothing to do with immigration law. The question is not whether they may benefit small communities but whether they have valid asylum claims.
lloyd (37b22a) — 9/17/2024 @ 4:41 pm@lloyd@378 Nope, you’re just so invested in the current republican narrative that you can’t see that conservatism and the narrative aren’t the same thing so you think everyone not equally invested in the narrative is non-conservative.
Nic (120c94) — 9/17/2024 @ 5:18 pm#452 Well, that’s what when you elect an incompetent (Obama), re-elect him, and then elect a malicious incompetent (the Loser). And we are still ahead of any other nation that I know about.
Jim Miller (1caadf) — 9/17/2024 @ 5:26 pmDavid French, on the Hezbollah pager strike…
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/17/2024 @ 5:33 pmFlorida has no closed season on coyotes
The only New Mexico law is that coyote-killing contests are illegal. Using firearms to kill them inside some city limits may also be a problem, but that’s just a safety issue.
Kevin M (4f2edb) — 9/17/2024 @ 5:34 pmMeanwhile, Hezbollah considers changing pager vendors.
Kevin M (4f2edb) — 9/17/2024 @ 5:36 pm@463 Nic, a conservative would express at least one conservative sentiment in the time I’ve commented here. Probably two or three. What are the conservative sentiments you’ve expressed that I’ve missed?
lloyd (1e4faa) — 9/17/2024 @ 6:16 pmI have seen only conservative sentiments from Nic: Love of America; respect for people; respect for the law; respect for our traditions and institutions; kindness and charity towards the unfortunate; duty and dedication to her employer; sincere religious belief; shunning of hate towards anyone; genuine support for people in the military ….
Oh, wait, that’s not “conservative” in Trumpadoodleland. That’s everything that Trump is not.
nk (75ce60) — 9/17/2024 @ 6:36 pm@469 nk thinks liberals don’t love America, don’t respect people, don’t respect the law, don’t offer kindness and charity to the unfortunate, yada yada. Are you going to take that lying down, Nic?
lloyd (37b22a) — 9/17/2024 @ 7:23 pmTroll!
nk (75ce60) — 9/17/2024 @ 7:51 pmLet’s make you and BuDuhboom-BuDuhbing disappear from my screen.
nk (75ce60) — 9/17/2024 @ 7:55 pm@lurker@467/469
I am personally a moderate, I have both conservative and liberal ideals but mostly in a moderate amount (which are which may depend on whether one defines conservative/liberal in the US political or classical philosophical fashion) and many people who are actual liberals often hold some conservative opinions and people who are actual conservatives often hold some liberal viewpoints (again this may depend on how one is defining conservative/liberal).
Generally speaking, I would say that the values that nk described do tend to be more conservative (most especially in the sense of conservative as traditional), but they are conservative values that cross the spectrum to most liberals as well, just like freedom of speech has tended to be a more liberal value that crosses the spectrum to most conservatives as well.
Nic (120c94) — 9/17/2024 @ 8:14 pmNic always seemed classically liberal to me, a good trait, because there’s a lot of overlap with traditionally conservative.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/17/2024 @ 8:15 pmoops, 472 should’ve been @lloyd, sorry lurker!
Nic (120c94) — 9/17/2024 @ 8:27 pm@paul@473 often the case for me, yes, classical liberalism just got scattered all over the political spectrum.
Nic (120c94) — 9/17/2024 @ 8:28 pm@473 Nic, what would you specify as politically conservative ideals/viewpoints you have?
lloyd (b422f7) — 9/17/2024 @ 8:39 pm@lloyd@476 I don’t think we should force insurance companies to pay for IVF, I support the need for law enforcement and prisons (though I think that the for profit prisons create an economic incentive to imprison people which seems concerning), I think that appropriate military spending is important for the longterm safety of our country. I think people who entered the country illegally as adults should be sent back.
Nic (120c94) — 9/17/2024 @ 8:58 pm@478 Nic, thanks. I think virtually all liberals support the need for law enforcement and prisons, and appropriate military spending. In my opinion, the other two are conservative leaning viewpoints. For my part, I’m pro-choice up to the first trimester (and against Roe), against Patriot Act surveillance, and against Cheney-era enhanced interrogation techniques. I guess we’re both moderates!
lloyd (b422f7) — 9/17/2024 @ 9:13 pm@lloyd@478 Sometimes it just depends on where you are physically standing in the moment. I can tell you that your position on abortion would’ve made you unacceptably liberal at my Catholic HS back in the 90s and my position on many things would make me unacceptably conservative in Marin Co. CA 😛
Nic (120c94) — 9/17/2024 @ 9:32 pmProblem with pager attack: copy cats. Israel has done stuff like this before and it soon gets copied. Tactical success. Strategically meaningless. cell phones next?
asset (4c828c) — 9/17/2024 @ 9:49 pm@Nic, no problem. The confusion is understandable. I’m one of Lloyd’s sock puppets.
lurker (c23034) — 9/17/2024 @ 10:25 pm@lurker@481 *laughing*
Nic (120c94) — 9/17/2024 @ 10:37 pm@481, I knew it!! Maybe we all are!?!?
AJ_Liberty (b17819) — 9/18/2024 @ 1:57 amLefties Nic and AJ_Lurker, doing what lefties do.
lloyd (376756) — 9/18/2024 @ 6:38 am@447 whembly, if Trump and his underlings can’t be honest about Haitian immigrants, and keep on lying about it over and over, what else are they making sh-t up about. It undercuts the argument because they damaged their credibility. And let’s face it, Trump lies so much that he has no credibility on just about anything.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/17/2024 @ 1:55 pm
Wait.
Are you saying JD Vance and Trump are making this up whole cloth?
JD Vance is/was hearing this from his constituents. Or, that’s what he said. He could be BS’ing.
But, it’s not like there hasn’t been actual reports of this before the debate:
https://x.com/gragedustin/status/1836377980215480356?s=12&t=LbMzhpSB3yC2zvXzo7p_lA
This one is an actual 911/police report… and there’s more like this. Before the debate.
Now we can discuss whether or not this is bs…but, it likely wasn’t fabricated whole cloth when Trump/Vance started talking about it.
Again, way before the debate, here’s a resident talking about possible pets abduction and the City manager (not mayor) says “I’ve heard about it”:
https://x.com/jackbmontgomery/status/1836335419107021087?s=12&t=LbMzhpSB3yC2zvXzo7p_lA
And here’s a thread of residences remarking on how detrimental the remigration policies are impacting their community:
https://x.com/beyondreasdoubt/status/1835124881119236216?s=12&t=LbMzhpSB3yC2zvXzo7p_lA
So, don’t know if this will convince you that Trump/Vance isn’t making sh*t up.
We can have a discuss of whether it’s appropriate to highlight this w/o stronger substantiation. I’m willing to listen. But, to say that it’s all bs ignores the likelihood that:
whembly (477db6) — 9/18/2024 @ 7:18 ama) Trump/Vance heard it first somewhere else
b) Springfield residents are being negatively impacted by Biden/Harris’ policies.
@448 Appalled (ad1293) — 9/17/2024 @ 2:19 pm
whembly (477db6) — 9/18/2024 @ 7:20 amSee my post above.
@458
This is a disgusting lie.
The woman took chemical abortion and either some or all the “parts” of the fetus remained inside her.
Nothing in GA’s law (or any other state) would’ve prevented doctors in treating her.
What happened was she took this at home, had a rare reaction, got sepsis and couldn’t get treatment in time.
Want to know why I know this? I’m well versed in the legalities of what providers MUST do to stabilize the patients, particularly when it’s the mom vs. the fetus.
ANY doctor or healthcare institution (like their ER) withholding lifesaving treatment for the mother would face severe consequences if they “held off” treatment just to make a political point. The consequences would be massive legal/civil to not only the providers, but for the healthcare institutions. That would put the institution’s government revenue at jeopardy that if they would lose that, would destroy that institution ability to operate.
So, when you see this story framed this way, its to distract you from how dangerous these chemical abortions can be.
whembly (477db6) — 9/18/2024 @ 7:31 amAnother Harris lie that Paul likes to repeat:
lloyd (26e7d0) — 9/18/2024 @ 7:45 amI’m saying that Trump and Vance irresponsibly used debunked and false allegations in order to fearmonger about scary black illegals eating pets, in order to score political points. As they say, whembly, if you don’t know or believe that Trump is a con man, then you’re the mark.
I read the fact-checks on the Sunday before the debate, and the claims are baseless. You should already know that Trump doesn’t fact-check and he doesn’t verify, and neither have his flying monkeys in this instance. They took a factless assertion and ran with it.
Vance claimed that his statements were based on “firsthand accounts from constituents”, which is either false or he should’ve said “unverified firsthand accounts”, because the one claim he put forward (which is your first link and made public after the debate) is full of sh-t, per the WSJ…
Your second link is flat-out hearsay.
The point of origin for this lie came from a Facebook entry from a Springfield woman who later said she was “wrong” and had “misinterpreted” what a neighbor told her. More WSJ…
Nevertheless, this hearsay upon hearsay tale was picked by right-wing grifters like Ian Miles Cheong (who’s also a Putin stooge) and other right-wing edgelords until it made its way to the Right Wing Grifter-in-Chief.
This whole raft of BS is not unlike Trump’s Big Lie, where he made the claim about a “stolen” election and then hordes of his devotees scrambled to backfill his lies, with nearly all of the backfilling being allegations backed up by rags for evidence. Same deal here. Even now, the Trump Cult is still not backing down.
I’ll say this again, if Trump and his underlings can’t be honest about Haitian immigrants, and keep on lying about it over and over, what else are they making sh-t up about. It undercuts their policy argument because their credibility is wrecked. And let’s face it, Trump lies so much that he has no credibility on just about anything, including this brain damage.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/18/2024 @ 8:55 amThe MAGAs always leave out “that’ll be the least of it”, which muddies rather than clarifies the nature of this “bloodbath”, and leaves it open to interpretation, but I’m glad Trump followed up and said he was talking in economic terms.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/18/2024 @ 9:22 amWhether I’ve repeated this allegation, lloyd, I’ll just say you’re again making sh-t up, as you’re the one who keeps bringing it up. You still sound really angry, so I recommend you grow up and fight the real enemy.
This is a good summary, from people I respect:
Here’s the full letter, with the list of signatories.
(I am particularly disturbed by by the Loser’s failure to continue the progress in controlling nuclear weapons made by a series of presidents. The largest reduction was made under George H. W. Bush, but it continued under Clinton, George W. Bush, and even that incompetent, Obama.
I understand, of course, that — for some — this is not nearly important as whether or not an immigrant ate a cat in Ohio, but I hope they will at least tolerate those of us who differ in our beliefs about what is important.)
Jim Miller (43dd4b) — 9/18/2024 @ 9:24 amJim, probably a lot of overlap in the folks who lent their names to that letter and those who wrote the Russian misinformation letter regarding Hunter’s laptop. Probably just as truthful too.
lloyd (5a8420) — 9/18/2024 @ 9:30 amI am particularly disturbed by by the Loser’s failure to continue the progress in controlling nuclear weapons made by a series of presidents.
In one sense he continued the failure of that same line of presidents regarding proliferation. North Korea should have been made an example of in the 1990s and it could have still been done under W’s watch when they reneged on the deal a second time.
Kevin M (dde857) — 9/18/2024 @ 9:31 amJim, probably a lot of overlap in the folks who lent their names to that letter
Find 10. You won’t as these are all Republicans and the Russian thing was mostly Democrats. A lot of Reagan people here and you won’t get anywhere with me dissing Reagan’s foreign policy people who won the Cold War.
Kevin M (dde857) — 9/18/2024 @ 9:35 am#485
The truth on what happened with respect to the Springfield cat eating rumors is here:
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/miss-sassy-and-other-tales/
ts;dr — Vance ddn’t make up the story out of whole cloth. The Trump campaign checked on the story, learned it was false, and ran with it anyway.
The WSJ expose appears to be paywalled.
For the record, I just thought Vance thought the story was too good to check, and acted in reckless disregard of the truth. Nope. He lied.
The word contemptible describes that conduct. The obscene word for jerk describes JD Vance.
Appalled (721968) — 9/18/2024 @ 9:40 amI agree with Lloyd. Trump was clearly using bloodbath as a metaphor, and not as a threat of violence if he loses or a threat to his supporters that their policital opponents will kill them if they talk power.
Harris’s reference to it in the debate was, in context, and lie. She took his words of out of context and asserted a meaning different then the one he clearly intended. The moderators should have called her out on that and the explanation that reflects on them the best is that they’re just bad at their jobs.
Paul, your argument that “that’ll be the least of it” makes it reasonable to assert there was some threat there isn’t persuasive and looks like motivated reasoning.
There are plenty of actual threats from Trump that don’t need to be misinterpreted to be alarming. His statement that if you vote for him this time you’ll never need to vote again is one such example.
Time123 (20a43e) — 9/18/2024 @ 10:06 amTrump rightly withdrew from the INF Treaty when it was discovered that the Russians were blatantly cheating. The Russians had long violated it by developing a new long range cruise missile, beginning before the Trump Administration even took office. The INF Treaty prohibits ground-launched ballistic and cruise missiles, both nuclear and non-nuclear, with ranges between 500 and 5,500 kilometers, i.e., 300 to 3,400 miles, which encompasses all of Western Europe. The new Russian missile (SSC-8, NATO code name Screwdriver) has a range that violates these limits. There is no point with the US complying with its INF obligations if the other side wouldn’t. In fact, NATO supported the suspension of the INF treaty in 2019, and Russia never became compliant with its obligations under the treaty. So there was no point with US continued compliance with the treaty.
Further, China was never part of the INF treaty (or any arms control treaty), so its nuclear weapons program continues unabated, with an estimated 500+ warheads. China has no interest in negotiating limits on their arsenal until it matches the US and Russian arsenals (approx. 5,000 warheads.)
The Biden Administration has recognized the need to develop new nuclear weapons, including upgrading the B61 gravity bomb and continuing to develop the Minuteman III ICBM replacement, the Sentinel.
Given the fact of Russia’s own withdrawal from the INF Treaty, China’s desire to expand their own nuclear forces, and the ongoing war in Ukraine, there is little reason for nuclear arms reduction talks with parties that don’t want to sincerely negotiate.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/18/2024 @ 11:23 amHere is the WSJ story.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/18/2024 @ 11:26 am@496
You’re misinterpreting that too.
In context, if you watched that speech, he was saying “vote me and I’ll fix thing so that you don’t ever have to vote for your interest again”.
He wasn’t saying that this would be the last US presidential election, ever.
whembly (477db6) — 9/18/2024 @ 11:49 amHe wasn’t saying that this would be the last US presidential election, ever.
Most of us will outlive him, for example.
Kevin M (6ad7dc) — 9/18/2024 @ 12:06 pmBased on some of the “Kamala Harris is a Marxist” rhetoric (including from Trump in the debate), I’m expecting that she will be establishing a dictatorship of the proletariat if she is elected, so may be Trump was forecasting that future.
😉
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/18/2024 @ 12:54 pmRIP singer/songwriter J.D. Souther (78):
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/18/2024 @ 1:08 pmNew Yorker articles:
https://link.newyorker.com/view/5bea0ae624c17c6adf15d819lw8bn.c6ml/6239572a` I don’t know if all the links here are or are not available to everyone
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 9/18/2024 @ 1:56 pmFor what it’s worth: (if there was a political conspiracy to ensnare Vance and Trump, there could also later be a false (and/or incomplete) explanation of how it got started)
https://www.newser.com/story/356454/2-women-who-started-springfield-rumors-speak-out.html
I just don’t believe this was all just a game of telephone.
David French traced it to a different source than Erika Lee:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/12/opinion/maga-debate-cats-dogs-haiti-trump.html
The New York Times links David French’s statement to this:
https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1832134984557113706
I don’t have the date of Erika Lee’s Facebook post -whether it was before or after the endwokeness “tweet” And all that Wikipedia says is “early September” Nobody has the date!
Meanwhile, Ann Coulter, interviewed on the Mark Simone radio show on WOR 710 AM in New York this morning, seemed to be claiming that the eating cats story was true and that there was an August 28 911 call about that.
I find in the Wikipedia talk page about this article in what looks like a back and forth with someone who objected to the article calling it a hoax and I don’t know who said it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Springfield,_Ohio,_cat-eating_hoax
He also said the Facebook post didn’t just mention a cat or cats. It alleged
And aparently it didn’t mention Haitians at that point.
I think it isa hoax, but cannot prove it.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 9/18/2024 @ 2:42 pmThis is how Trump-Vance double down on their lie, just declare that the legal immigrants are illegal because they don’t like the law, despite their being given TPS. Who knows what they’ll do for an encore on the pet-eating thing.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/18/2024 @ 2:44 pmOh, that’s a common lie in Republican circles, Anybody that comes without an immigrant visa is called illegal.
And they don’t seem to think there are any legal immigrants because they seem to think the U.S. population is divided into two groups; citizens and illegal immigrants.’
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 9/18/2024 @ 3:06 pmAnn Coulter also clamed that the mayor of Springfield is a Democrat (so in other words we should not believe him) and I’ve heard this claim elsewhere, but sources I trust more say he is a Republican.
Anyone else hear the claim that he is a Democrat?
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 9/18/2024 @ 3:09 pmAppalled (721968) — 9/18/2024 @ 9:40 am
It wasn’t reckless disregard for the truth. Vance checked it out, But he felt he couldn’t differ from what the rest of the campaign was saying,
That doesn’t mean he did nothing different. He maybe decided to limit the size of the hole he was digging for himself.
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 9/18/2024 @ 3:16 pmOooh, I’m with whembly on this one. I thought that, as well as the bloodbath quotes, were very ungenerously interpreted by many. Although, yes, that is in fact what he said, he’s an old man who has never spoken clearly, and so while it’s not a good look that he says stuff like that, what he means can be divined from context and the assumption that he must have meant not-that.
On the other hand things like “I want a total and complete shutdown of the border” or “We need to ban Muslims from entering our country” or “There will be a 100% tariff on China” or “We should take the guns and then worry about process later” or “We will have the biggest deportation the country has ever seen” or “We will withdraw from Nato if other countries don’t spend more” etc are all him saying exactly what he means and his policies are absurd or illegal or disastrous. (Note, I didn’t look up any of those quotes these are all just from my imperfect memory).
Nate (be5ee2) — 9/18/2024 @ 3:17 pmDoes Trump Want to Win?
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/18/2024 @ 4:25 pmSammy,
Checking it out would be calling city officials —not just relying on hearsay from some rando. The campaign did that due diligence—and ignored the results.
Appalled (c5276e) — 9/18/2024 @ 4:27 pmHouse republicans wants to prevent as many democrats from voting as possible under guise of preventing illegal aliens from voting which they don’t, saying if even only one illegal alien votes the whole system is invalid. If you disagree list the number of illegal aliens prosecuted for voting. the numbers will be tiny. In red states like texas they run stings to try and get illegal aliens voting. Republicans should be prosecuted for preventing citizens from voting.
asset (1674ce) — 9/18/2024 @ 4:34 pmAsset,
have you apologized for lying about the circumstances regarding the woman who died from sepsis yet?
NJRob (eb56c3) — 9/18/2024 @ 6:05 pmI expect Israel is going to pre-empt against Hezbollah in the next few days, having totally disrupted their command and control network.
Kevin M (645c2b) — 9/18/2024 @ 6:07 pm511. Appalled (c5276e) — 9/18/2024 @ 4:27 pm
The campaign didn’t do that. Vance did that. That’s what I read in that Wall Street Journal article:
https://www.wsj.com/us-news/springfield-ohio-pet-eating-claims-haitian-migrants-04598d48?st=peRet3&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 9/18/2024 @ 7:55 pmYou may have noticed that many right wig talk radio shows are essentially the same show – they each more or less repeat the same material. So if one thing is unclear, it’ll be explained somewhere else. So I got a further elaboration of that August 28 911 call claim from Ann Coulter.
Tonight Ben Ferguson, substituting for Mark Levin said they had obtained an August 28 “police report” that corroborated the ct eating.
(This is not to say that it is real, but that it is a hoax and not a game of telephone and not started by the woman who apologized for her Facebook post.)
https://x.com/Riley_Gaines_/status/1836394001991438464 (retweet of an endwokeness tweet)
So now I have some search terms.
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 9/18/2024 @ 8:05 pmSammy, this is the part of the WSJ piece you missed, because what Vance submitted was unverified…
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/18/2024 @ 9:02 pm@513 abortion ban caused delayed care in now two deaths. PBS, axios, propublica and msnbc news. I could list more. Yet georgia republican elected officials have not been arrested for negligent homicide or accessary to murder.
asset (9a77c4) — 9/18/2024 @ 10:00 pmGood points by Nick about rhetoric and its consequences:
https://thedispatch.com/newsletter/boilingfrogs/hot-blooded/
Alas, I anticipate some commenters here maintaining that Trump did not threaten democracy. I guess it would amount to a crisis of faith to acknowledge what Trump did.
norcal (856a25) — 9/18/2024 @ 11:01 pmBy the way, non-subscribers to The Dispatch are entitled to one free article per month.
norcal (856a25) — 9/18/2024 @ 11:03 pmHe’s a despot wannabe who holds democracy in the same derisive contempt he has for our fallen heroes. He’s unfit to take the White House tour, much less sit behind the Resolute desk.
lurker (c23034) — 9/19/2024 @ 3:13 amThe guys supporting the Communist bragging about protecting democracy. The doublethink is impressive.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 9/19/2024 @ 4:10 am@518
Tell you what asset.
Explain exactly how the care was delayed. Do not throw links. I want you to describe it in your own words.
whembly (477db6) — 9/19/2024 @ 6:22 amThis isn’t communist, it’s just dumb anti-fossil fuel liberalism, especially when our oil and gas production are at all-time highs.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/19/2024 @ 6:25 amBiden never said “put Trump in a bullseye” and two assassination attempts on his opponent aren’t receipts, because there’s no crisis of faith.
lloyd (8bf0f8) — 9/19/2024 @ 6:37 amI find this hysterical:
Democrats truly becomes what they accuses Republicans all the time.
What’s unknown is if the Biden/Harris campaign reviewed the materials.
whembly (477db6) — 9/19/2024 @ 6:39 amWhen does the two year Harris Iranian Collusion investigation begin?
lloyd (8bf0f8) — 9/19/2024 @ 6:44 amThe Harris team likely received the Iranian stuff, thought it was SPAM, and deleted it.
Appalled (c5276e) — 9/19/2024 @ 6:53 am@528
It’s more than enough to open up an FBI investigation and have it open near indefinately…and when Harris takes office, for an agent to so a surprise “meeting” w/o lawyers to catch their target with inconsistent statements.
You know, things the FBI should be doing to every administration.
whembly (477db6) — 9/19/2024 @ 6:57 amHere’s the rest of the story…
The key word is “unsolicited”, and noteworthy is that Iranian operatives sent the hacked materials to “several media organisations”. Naturally, Trump is screaming about it on his money-losing social media platform…
Like his stories about Miss Sassy, his accusations have no basis in fact, but when did that ever stop this mentally deranged f–k.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/19/2024 @ 7:00 am“The Harris team likely received the Iranian stuff, thought it was SPAM, and deleted it.”
Appalled forgot the sarc tag
lloyd (376756) — 9/19/2024 @ 7:19 amShorter Cattagio: He had it coming.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 9/19/2024 @ 7:24 amThe guys supporting the Communist bragging about protecting democracy.
Harris is many things, but calling her a Communist is wrong. She is not Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin or any of those mass murderers. Also, Trump is not a Nazi. Frankly, Godwin applies to “Communist” as much as it does to “Nazi.” There are few actual Communists in US politics. “Socialist” and “Communist” are not synonyms.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 9/19/2024 @ 7:28 amSounds like the FBI is already investigating. If she (or Joe!) fires the head of the FBI and then goes on NBC to tell the nation that they did it specifically to stop this investigation a special counsel should be appointed.
No word yet on if anyone related to her and on her campaign has met with Iranian agents to discus ending sanctions similar to what happened with Russia and the Trump campaign.
No word yet on if anyone from her campaign has gotten drunk and bragged about coordinating with them. As happened with the Trump campaign.
I don’t recall her devoting time in one of her speaches to ask Iran to do more hacking, as Trump did. Did I miss that?
I’m not aware of her having long attempted to create a major investment in Iran, and Trump wanted to do with Russia. Did I miss that?
But way to ignore the many important differences while feeding your persecution complex.
Time123 (bf9676) — 9/19/2024 @ 7:28 amThe Harris team likely received the Iranian stuff, thought it was SPAM, and deleted it
I’m sure they deleted it. Now at least. Probably from their backups, too.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 9/19/2024 @ 7:32 am@529, There’s already an FBI investigation open. If she appoints someone as NSA whose connections and statements about Iran are as weird as Flynn’s were for Russia the FBI should absolutely investigate.
And if that person lies to the VP, and Flynn lied to Pence she should fire them like Trump fired Flynn.
Time123 (bf9676) — 9/19/2024 @ 7:33 am@535,if they didn’t if they used it or planned to use it they should be criticized. If they broke the law they should be prosecuted.
Time123 (bf9676) — 9/19/2024 @ 7:37 amThis is way better than 2016, when the FBI and intelligence community kept their investigations on election interference under wraps.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/19/2024 @ 7:47 amThere’s a lot of missing “sarc” tags today.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 9/19/2024 @ 7:54 amSo…Vance didn’t just lie and fearmonger about scary black illegals barbecuing Milo and Tabby in bucolic Springfield, he also asserted that they’re responsible for a “massive rise in communicable diseases”. Au contraire.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/19/2024 @ 8:42 amI am increasingly disappointed by Vance and not a little bewildered. It takes some effort to be nuttier than Trump.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 9/19/2024 @ 8:53 amShe’s on video talking about using the government to barge into your home to go after you for not “securing your guns.”
She is a commie.
NJRob (c4b04c) — 9/19/2024 @ 8:56 amQuestion for you, Rob.
Trump is on video saying he likes to take the guns early, and then “Take the guns first, go through due process second,”.
Is he a commie?
Nate (be5ee2) — 9/19/2024 @ 9:04 amI wonder how those who believe that Harris is a Marxist and will usher in a dictatorship of the proletariat if she is elected will deal with it.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/19/2024 @ 9:08 am@642:
And again you show a complete loss of perspective. Wanting to grab all the guns doesn’t make you a Commie, it makes you a gun-grabber.
Trump wants to round up millions of people and put them in concentration camps. Does that make him a Nazi or Commie?
Kevin M (a9545f) — 9/19/2024 @ 9:15 amOnly until they are deported.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/19/2024 @ 9:30 amOnly until they are deported.
That will take time, and some of them will be American citizens.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 9/19/2024 @ 9:49 amCommunism: “a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.”
Socialism: “a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.”
–Oxford Dictionary
Which is why this Kamunist business is so silly and stupid and hyperbolic and fearmongery, but hyperbole and fearmongering seems to be a common character defect among the MAGAs. It’s like a rite of passage.
Kamala is probably closer to Bernie than Joe ideologically, and Bernie’s idea of heaven on earth is Denmark (not Venezuela) which he misnames it “democratic socialism” because, while democratic, it’s a free nation with a free economy with private ownership, albeit laboring under a heavy social safety net.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/19/2024 @ 9:57 amIf we should hang an accurate label on her, maybe liberal Democrat or tax-and-spend liberal or progressive, which is better than the overwrought distortions I’m seeing here. Does accuracy matter?
@534, devastating refutation. All the sock puppets are hiding…
AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 9/19/2024 @ 10:12 amNate,
if he had a track record doing so, yes. Now what’s the difference between the 2.
NJRob (c4b04c) — 9/19/2024 @ 10:14 amThere was no refutation. The Harris-Biden administration has given Iran billions which have been used to fund terrorism. Of course Iran is supporting the Harris regime
NJRob (c4b04c) — 9/19/2024 @ 10:15 am@533
IF you want a more neutral definition, then it’s “statist”.
But, the fact that Harris and other like-minded far-left progressive views their politics like a religion… communist is a better fit.
Because they KNOW they’re right. They BELIEVE they’re right. Anyone that bucks the orthodoxy is the “enemy”.
Does that remind of you of something?
whembly (477db6) — 9/19/2024 @ 10:18 amBoth Maga and the left are statist. The only difference is in what they want the state to do. That’s why Desantis was so popular. He’s good at using the power to the state to further his culture war goals.
There is no real consistency for limited government.
Time123 (ea5770) — 9/19/2024 @ 10:31 am@551, Did you miss that the topic wasn’t “which president is likely to be preferable to Iran” it was “Why isn’t the Harris campaign being investigated for this?”
Those are very different things.
Time123 (ea5770) — 9/19/2024 @ 10:33 am@548 are you you got the definitions correct? I thought a communist was “Any Moby that doesn’t loudly support anything Trump does”?
Time123 (ea5770) — 9/19/2024 @ 10:34 amThis is an answer to a question
Seriously, what question would demand this answer?
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/19/2024 @ 10:52 am@548 “Which is why this Kamunist business is so silly and stupid and hyperbolic and fearmongery, but hyperbole and fearmongering seems to be a common character defect among the MAGAs. It’s like a rite of passage.”
From the guy who’s called Trump a Fascist umpteen times.
lloyd (dc9293) — 9/19/2024 @ 12:16 pmThis is way better than 2016, when the FBI and intelligence community kept their investigations on election interference under wraps.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/19/2024 @ 7:47 am
Is this the investigation on election interference that included “F*** Trump”, “We’ll stop him” and something about an “insurance policy”?
As long as we’re pointing out differences, do you think that kind of investigation is going on as we speak, under wraps, and we just have to wait for the dossier to drop? Gimme some odds on that. In the meantime, as the investigation motto goes, “Viva le Resistance.”
lloyd (dc9293) — 9/19/2024 @ 12:36 pmBiden Promises Next Trump Assassin Will Be A Woman Of Color.
lloyd (dc9293) — 9/19/2024 @ 12:54 pmHi Lloyd, what evidence do you have that would support a responsible suspension of the the involvement of the Harris campaign with the Iranian hack?
Time123 (45b245) — 9/19/2024 @ 1:02 pmStill angry about that, too, I see. It remains that an IG investigated the investigators and concluded there was no evidence of documentary or testamentary bias.
As for Trump, to be intellectually consistent and using the same Oxford source, fascism…
I would say that Trump’s coup attempt is an authoritarian anti-democratic act; he proposed “termination” of the Constitution, which is also anti-democratic and pro-authoritarian act and; same with his “Dictator For A Day” statements. And there’s his pathological admiration for authoritarians; we’ve all seen gush about Xi and Kim. As for the other characteristics…
Nationalistic: Check. America First.
Right-wing: Check, because he’s certainly not conservative.
Extreme: Mass-deporting 20 million is extreme, his malignant narcissism is an extreme condition. His lying is extreme.
Intolerant: His racist smear of Haitian immigrants sounds awfully intolerant to me.
As for your confusing and contradictory second question, I don’t know WTF you’re talking about, but this is true: The DOJ has announced that were actively investigating election interference by foreign powers, and the indictment of Tenet Media and the disclosure of Iranian malfeasance is testament. Are there ongoing investigations that we don’t know about? Probably, but I don’t know what I don’t know, and there could well be national security reasons for not disclosing before indictments are handed down, but you don’t know what you don’t know.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/19/2024 @ 1:05 pmThis isn’t good.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/19/2024 @ 1:07 pmHuh?
Related:
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/19/2024 @ 1:21 pmSpeaking of authoritarians, Trump likes ’em, and their trappings, too…
He still doesn’t understand that if an audience member doesn’t “stand up at attention” to Kim, the poor sap could get Warmbiered.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/19/2024 @ 1:34 pmSo heroic. Not.
So drama queen Assigned Male At Birth. Yes.
As for J. the “D” is for Double Wide Vance, he should not get his hopes up. The premise of The Manchurian Candidate was an alt.Earth fantasy that existed only in Richard Condon’s mind.
But Angela Lansbury sure was a hottie.
nk (929f0a) — 9/19/2024 @ 1:55 pmBut Angela Lansbury sure was a hottie.
nk (929f0a) — 9/19/2024 @ 1:55 pm
I know her from Murder She Wrote, and she was anything but hot.
YMMV.
norcal (856a25) — 9/19/2024 @ 2:05 pmThere are more things in Heaven and Earth ….
nk (929f0a) — 9/19/2024 @ 2:12 pmnk (929f0a) — 9/19/2024 @ 2:12 pm
Not my cup of tea, counselor. Keeping it British, I’ll go with Rosamund Pike.
norcal (856a25) — 9/19/2024 @ 2:16 pmDonald Trump
No.
It’s not true.
But Donald Trump was never good with numbers.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 9/19/2024 @ 2:18 pmBut Donald Trump was never good with numbers.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 9/19/2024 @ 2:18 pm
You spelled “honesty” wrong.
norcal (856a25) — 9/19/2024 @ 2:20 pmMossad-IDF has definitely thought this through…
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/19/2024 @ 2:25 pmSpringfield in 2012, before the immigrants came:
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/welcome-to-springfield-ohio-the-unhappiest-city-in-the-us/article4612263
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 9/19/2024 @ 2:26 pmIF you want a more neutral definition, then it’s “statist”.
But Trump is also a statist.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 9/19/2024 @ 2:27 pmThis isn’t good.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/19/2024 @ 1:07 pm
It’s a claim that Robinson frequented a black porn site and made comments there under a handle. Without more information, I think it is suspect as it would almost certainly be something the porn site released (oppo research generally doesn’t dive that deep) and they could have manufactured nearly anything.
OTOH, Robinson isn’t exactly Mr straight arrow.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 9/19/2024 @ 2:33 pm@573
No in the manner of progress-left.
Statism is effectively a belief that the government can solve anything.
whembly (477db6) — 9/19/2024 @ 2:36 pm“Kim Jong Un speaks and his people stand up at attention. I want my people to do the same.”
Good luck with that.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 9/19/2024 @ 2:36 pmStatism is effectively a belief that the government can solve anything.
No, statism is using the power of the state to deny individuals agency. Trump is just as willing to do that as Biden. If you want to argue that Harris is more willing, fine. But both would regulate people’s lives.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 9/19/2024 @ 2:41 pmMs. Lansbury isn’t my type, but Della Street? Yowza.
Here’s Trump’s latest bit of bad policy, and it can only damage our economy, because the credit card industry could be substantially damaged.
It would be a little hypocritical to criticize Kamala for her anti-gouging price controls while Trump is proposing government-enforced price controls on a financial company’s earnings.
After this issue and his tariff nonsense, it’s hard to believe that Trump graduated from an Ivy League business school, and I have those same sentiments toward AOC and her econ major.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/19/2024 @ 2:43 pmYou can make political contributions with a credit card. His tweakers must not have all maxed theirs out yet.
nk (2a4f46) — 9/19/2024 @ 2:50 pmAs I recall, Mr. Robinson can still withdraw before midnight tonite.
He’s going to lose the governorship, he’s already down by 6 (RCP average). If he hangs on, the political stigma could cost Trump the state as well.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/19/2024 @ 2:50 pm517/
Yes, I missed it yesterday because I didn’t read further and I didn’t see it until I read it in the paper. There are a number of things in that article that are significant.
Vance only provided it on Tuesday, September 17 and Anna Kilgore also said this Tuesday that she had found her cat a few days later.
Tis story is still circulating and being toed ass truth/ Today “Bo Snerdly” (James Goulden) who was Rush Limbaugh’s call screener played a 911 call about something like that on his radio show “The Rush Hour” which is on ABC radio 770 am between 4 pm and 6 pm weekdays Eastern time.
It’ll be up here later: (Sept 19 show)
https://wabcradio.com/podcast/bo-snerdley-james-golden/
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 9/19/2024 @ 2:52 pmThe WSJ article linked the cate eating meme (or at least anti-Haitian meme) to neo-Nazis:
https://www.wsj.com/us-news/springfield-ohio-pet-eating-claims-haitian-migrants-04598d48?st=peRet3&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
This article, by the way, also contains a bar graph of the population of Springfield, Ohio, evidently based on the U.S. Census, running from 1950 through 2020 plus a 2023 estimate.
Not too clear who first mentioned people eating pets.
I just don’t believbe that the cat eating meme was the result of an accident – it was a hoax.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 9/19/2024 @ 3:14 pmIs he even pretending to explain how this is legally within the president’s powers?
Yesterday he also came out for restoring the SALT tax deduction – popular on Long Island. This is addition to his repeal or exemption from tax of tips, overtime and Social Security benefits.
He proposes a tax increase in tariffs – 10% or maybe 20% on all foreign imports and 100% (i.e. to double the price) on imports from China.
Meanwhile the Biden Administration is proposing to severely restrict the de minimis exemption from tariffs,
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/14/business/economy/tariffs-amazon-walmart-china-shein.html
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 9/19/2024 @ 3:23 pmWell we don’t have anyone referring to Malcolm the Tenth, Kim Jong the Second (the previous ruler of North Korea) and President Eleven of China.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 9/19/2024 @ 3:26 pmHw did David Muir know to check out the cat eating story the day of the debate?
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 9/19/2024 @ 3:29 pmRecently, I have been thinking that — to some extent — Kamala Harris can be described as a “shape shifter”. She chose to be “black”, although she is, at most, 25 percent black. To make that plausible, she attended a historically black university, and joined a black sorority there. She is a member of a famous black Baptist church.
She chose to be a prosecutor, in the modern US one of the best stepping stones for the politically ambitious.
She adopted, however temporarily, some of the sillier ideas of California Democrats, when that was to her advantage, and seems to be shedding many of them now that they aren’t.
She used identity politics to rise in Democratic politics, as so many Democratic (and some Republican) officials do.
What I don’t see in her career is the kind of ideological consistency that the late Barry Goldwater had, and that Vermont’s senior senator, Bernie Sanders, has.
And so I think she will, if elected, try to be re-elected by pursuing popular policies, not some ideological agenda. (Bill Clinton did something similar when he promised welfare reform.)
If you want to understand her, think “ambitious”, not “Marxist”.
Jim Miller (bcc9bc) — 9/19/2024 @ 3:31 pmThe WSJ in that long article, almost called the mayor of Springfield a RINO. (Republican in Name Only)
What is meaning behind this? Is he elected in a nonpartisan election?
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 9/19/2024 @ 3:34 pmCoupla things Sammy, and you should re-read the WSJ article, because they reported that NewsGuard found the point of origin story to be from Erika Lee’s Facebook entry.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/19/2024 @ 3:59 pmIt’s easy to see how David Muir picked up on this because it was in the news for several days and fact-checked the Saturday-Sunday before the debate. I saw several debunkings on the X.
My comment (@524) linking that video of Trump slobbering his hero-worship on Kim Jong Un is what moved Rob to call Kamala Harris “the Communist.” Irony is dead.
lurker (c23034) — 9/19/2024 @ 4:20 pm@550, that’s a fair point, Rob.
Nate (cfb326) — 9/19/2024 @ 4:30 pmBecause it had been in the news prior to the debate?
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/19/2024 @ 5:22 pmMaybe:
Trump has never ben honest with numbers.
Especially with numbers.
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 9/19/2024 @ 5:24 pmI think Muir was tipped off or encouraged to check it out by the Democrats.
ABC made an extra effort to check it out.
Now, of course, the Democrats could not be sure that Trump would bring it up,
But Kamala Harris was smiling (and acting surprised)
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 9/19/2024 @ 5:27 pmAs usual, completely lacking any evidence.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/19/2024 @ 5:31 pmI’m waiting for him to come out for the restoration of the tax deductibility of credit card interest.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/19/2024 @ 5:37 pmPaul Montagu (062117) — 9/19/2024 @ 3:59 pm
So I am supposed to trust NewsGuard of which I know nothing about? I have to see what else they say.
The WSJ said it wasw a private Facebook post.
How’d it get out? And she reportedly wrote about more than cats.
and fact-checked the Saturday-Sunday before the debate. But nobody connected with Trump repeated it before Monday – the day before the debate.(when did I mention it here, asking if JD Vance was serious?)
I think ABC could have been lobbied by the Harris campaign to check it out.
Sammy Finkelman (c2c77e) — 9/19/2024 @ 5:40 pmKamala is a hard leftist. She has a voting record to the left of Bernie. But, it’s comical seeing folks here taking umbrage at the suggestion she’s Communist, because if she actually were Communist they’d still vote for her.
lloyd (dc9293) — 9/19/2024 @ 6:02 pmThe WSJ trusted them.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/19/2024 @ 6:18 pmlloyd (dc9293) — 9/19/2024 @ 6:02 pm
Admirable goalpost shift. At least you do finally, if tacitly admit Harris isn’t a communist. Feel free to pass the word to Rob, though, fair warning, it may get you called a commie lover.
lurker (c23034) — 9/19/2024 @ 7:18 pm“Admirable goalpost shift. At least you do finally, if tacitly admit Harris isn’t a communist.”
AJ_Lurker, admirable accusation without evidence. I have never once here called Kamala a Communist. In fact, I specifically wrote here weeks ago that she wasn’t. When I have a ton of time to waste, maybe I’ll look it up for you but until then you can find it yourself.
lloyd (60c5b4) — 9/19/2024 @ 7:28 pmSee
Of the close to 3 million news articles and years worth of videos…before the debate.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/19/2024 @ 7:56 pm“I told that to Mark, I said, ‘I think you’re better than Martin Luther King, I think you are Martin Luther King times two,’ and he looked at me, and I wasn’t sure, was he angry because that’s a terrible thing to say, or was he complimented,” Trump said to his supporters. Trump then turned to Robinson, who was sitting in the crowd, and said: “When I said that to you, you looked like, ‘I don’t know if I like that comment.’” “You should like it, because you’re outstanding, and you’re going to be the next governor, so that’s going to be very cool,” Trump said.
“We have to cherish Mark, he’s a star,” Trump said. “You have to cherish him.” “It’s like a fine wine, because that’s what you have, you have a fine wine. He’s an outstanding person. I’ve gotten to know him so well, and fairly quickly,” Trump said. “And, you know, when he endorsed me, I didn’t have to call, ‘Hey would you?’ He liked me. He thought I was good.” “All of a sudden, I see this incredible, booming voice and the beautiful rhetorical statements. And I said, I think he’s going to endorse me. He did,” Trump continued. “He didn’t call me and say, ‘Oh sir, I’d like to endorse you. You know, let’s do a big public deal and this and that.’ Just the opposite. He’s just an outstanding guy. I hope you can back him and write checks for him.”
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/19/2024 @ 8:17 pmBREAKING: Trump announces that as president, he will immediately implement a temporary 10% cap on credit card interest rates
I have nothing against that, but it will be hard on the 90% of folks who don’t have my credit rating.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 9/19/2024 @ 8:33 pmIt would be a little hypocritical to criticize Kamala for her anti-gouging price controls while Trump is proposing government-enforced price controls on a financial company’s earnings.
You have that backwards. Harris is NOT proposing price controls. She is proposing PROFIT controls. And the cap on CC interest is not controlling earnings, it’s capping their charges (this may affect their earnings, but it is quite indirect).
Both are, of course, witless, but get the criticism right.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 9/19/2024 @ 8:35 pmAs I recall, Mr. Robinson can still withdraw before midnight tonite.
So of course they held this until the GOP was fracked. He’ll drop out next week, but it will be “too late.” The news media arm of the Democrat Party.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 9/19/2024 @ 8:37 pmYesterday he also came out for restoring the SALT tax deduction
If you coupled that with an increase in the top marginal rate back to 39.6%, it would be a tax hike for rich Texans and a tax cut for the rich of New York and California.
A better plan would be to raise the cap to perhaps $30K while raising the top marginal rate. That would actually raise money from the rich, while cutting taxes for the merely affluent.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 9/19/2024 @ 8:42 pmThat’s arguable, the voting record part.
That doesn’t take anything away that she’s hard left, but still in the sphere of Liberal Utopia Denmark, not Maduro and Venezuela.
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/19/2024 @ 8:46 pmKevin, is not “excessive profit” the result of overpricing”?
Paul Montagu (062117) — 9/19/2024 @ 8:49 pm@600. I never said you called her a communist. I said you tacitly admitted she wasn’t, after shifting the goalpost from my previous comment to which you were implicitly referring.
lurker (c23034) — 9/19/2024 @ 8:52 pmKevin, is not “excessive profit” the result of overpricing”?
But to deal with “excess profit” you have to get deep into the company’s finances. It’s more than just controlling prices, it’s knowing what prices they should post.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 9/19/2024 @ 8:57 pmBernie used to talk about Sweden, but Sweden tossed the socialists out on their ears, and let Saab go under. Now he talks about Denmark. And really, this is a man who honeymooned in Brezhnev’s USSR.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 9/19/2024 @ 8:59 pmThis isn’t a thing. Price controls are profit controls. COGS is generally set, Trump wants to both raise COGS with tariffs, AND cap prices.
Harris only wants to screw you on the top end, not both the bottom and the top.
Typical Trump, Harris proposes a dumb thing, Trump says “hold my beer”.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/19/2024 @ 8:59 pmThis isn’t a thing.
It’s what she said. She wants to be sure they aren’t charging “too much.” All Nixon did was freeze3 prices. Harris wants to roll them back to a point where, by some measure, the companies aren’t “gouging.” How in the world does she do that without looking at their books? Just order them to sell at some made-up price?
Kevin M (a9545f) — 9/19/2024 @ 9:18 pmI would be interested in hearing, Klink, how YOU would roll back prices to prevent gouging. To keep it simple, how much should a can of Campbell’s Chicken Noodle soup sell for?
Kevin M (a9545f) — 9/19/2024 @ 9:19 pmNot a chance. No idea, since it completely goes against any free market philosophy that exists. It could only get worse if you also taxed the inputs.
Probably the only way would be to subsidize, but that just incentivises the company to not be efficient. The free market is ruthless, it kills without regard to race, creed, or nationality, it drives efficiency.
Greedy corporations is a great slogan, but just look at how hard it is to prove collusion and price fixing. We used to do this with defense contractors, cost plus contracts, but that didn’t work out real well.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/19/2024 @ 9:56 pmKlink, I am not advocating doing this since the whole idea of “excess profit” is offensive and the greedy corporation model in a competitive system is absurd.
It’s just that she has said she will prevent price gouging and to do that requires more than a price freeze.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 9/19/2024 @ 11:00 pmWe used to do this with defense contractors, cost plus contracts, but that didn’t work out real well.
It worked out well for the contractors. We still do that today with public utilities.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 9/19/2024 @ 11:01 pmnk #565
But Angela Lansbury sure was a hottie.
Having seen the Manchurian Candidate, I now how just disturbing that comment is.
Appalled (721968) — 9/20/2024 @ 5:49 amYup. And the book took it all the way to Oedipus and Orestes.
nk (b4cf5d) — 9/20/2024 @ 6:22 amToday’s Wordle in 2. Magnificent.
nk (b4cf5d) — 9/20/2024 @ 6:27 am