School Shooting in Georgia
[guest post by Dana]
While it’s your standard back-to-school for most students, Georgia students at Apalachee High School, tragically faced an active school shooting. What is being reported (but is subject to change as more information is released):
At least four people are believed to have been killed and approximately 30 more were injured in the shooting at Apalachee High School in Winder, Georgia, although it’s unclear how many of the injuries are from gunshot wounds, according to law enforcement sources…A suspect, who is of student age, is in custody, but it’s unclear if the person actually attends the school, according to the sources…The shooter who opened fire inside Apalachee High school is believed to be a 14-year-old male, a law enforcement source tells CNN.
The source said it is not yet known whether the teen attended that school.
The FBI and ATF are at the school site supporting law enforcement.
Other law enforcement sources told CNN there could be up to 30 people who were injured, although it’s unclear how many of the injuries are from gunshot wounds.
Obviously this is a story in flux.
–Dana
What a tragedy.
Dana (0965ad) — 9/4/2024 @ 11:38 amAwful news.
Prepare for 72 hours of spins on all sides.
whembly (477db6) — 9/4/2024 @ 12:05 pmI hate that these occurrences have become relatively commonplace. It’s still incredibly rare, but since these have been happening during the completely online days, these shooters have become a way for people (almost always disaffected boys) to become “famous”.
I don’t know if there’s a solution. I’m pretty strict with access to firearms in my house, especially when there are/were kids around. I have a secure room since I’m an FFL with SOT and it’s a requirement, but even if you just have a couple of rifles and handguns, if you’ve got kids around, at least have it secured. There are about a million ways to have guns and keep your 14 away from them.
That and talk to your kid, this didn’t happen in a vacuum.
Colonel Klink (ret) (96f56a) — 9/4/2024 @ 12:26 pmThe relatively small death toll (only 4 killed) probably means that the shooter did not use an “assault rifle.”
Many of the injuries may not have been from the weapon, and the NBC report as well as a CBS article actually says so.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/school-shooting-georgia-apalachee-high-school
They were probably looking for children to help
without waiting for anyone to volunteer a complaint.
This might only make things worse.
https://blog.opencounseling.com/can-therapy-do-me-harm
This is talking about long term therapy and worrying mostly about unethical actions, but I think asking people to focus on what they experienced can actually cause PTSD. They should only talk with them if the person speaks first and wants totalk to that person.
They don’t necessarily need their “help” to process things, and who is to say that the approach offered is right? Do they have any evidence based basis for what they do? Or are they just trying to make themselves self-important and justify their salaries and preparation?
It certainly should be the case that the same thing is not right for all people, as they almost certainly have to be assuming in order to offer this “assistance.”
To get to 30 “injured”, they are probably counting anyone who accepted mental assistance.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 9/4/2024 @ 1:29 pmWhat we know so far…
Georgia Burea of Investigations (GBI) Director Chris Hosey
-At approximately 10:20 am, the Barrow County Sheriff’s Office received alerts of reports regarding an active shooter situation.
-Law enforcement was on the scene within minutes.
-There were two school resource officers who immediately encountered the subject, who immediately surrendered and was taken into custody.
-There are four deceased: two students; two teachers.
-There are nine people at local hospitals with various injuries.<
-The suspect is identified as Colt Gray, a 14-year-old student at the high school. He will be charged with murder and tried as an adult.
Barrow County Sheriff Jud Smith
-In his opening remarks, Sheriff Smith observed that “Pure evil” happened today. He added, “Hate will not prevail in this county. I want that to be very clear and known. Love will prevail over what happened today — I assure you of that.”
whembly (477db6) — 9/4/2024 @ 2:34 pm-Georgia Governor Brian Kemp has provided every available resource.
-At this time, they do not know the motive.
-Asked by a reporter if he believed this was a “hate crime,” Smith observed that if someone takes a firearm into a school to harm others, it’s hateful.
-The shooter was armed when an SRO engaged him. The shooter quickly realized if he did not give up, it would end with an officer-involved shooting.
-He is not aware of any warning ahead of the shooting.
-He is not sure how the shooter obtained the weapon or got it into the school.
-The shooter was interviewed and has been speaking with investigators, along with the GBI.
-All nine injured victims were shot in some capacity.
-He does not know if there were any specific targets at this point — they are not aware of any connection between the shooter and victims yet.
-They have not yet identified the weapon; they do not yet know how many rounds were fired.
New school year so school shooters getting their ar-15’s ready. Gun supporters say thoughts and prayers for them and don’t you dare charge are leaders in congress with rico and accessory to murder.
asset (276846) — 9/4/2024 @ 9:51 pmThe shooter is 14. JCOAFPS.
I was close to the Marysville-Pilchuck HS shooting, which killed five.
The doctor who tried to treat the shooting victims in the nearby ER is a friend of mine, and it wrecked him, because he knew he couldn’t save a couple of them, just send them off to the Harborview ICU where the last ones died.
Later on, the authorities prosecuted the father for making it too easy for the kid to access the weapons, which was the right call.
Paul Montagu (01ae08) — 9/4/2024 @ 11:06 pmHarsh as it may be, the parents of Colt Grey should suffer the same fate. And godammit, is there any way to put a red flag law into effect.
Paul Montagu (01ae08) — 9/4/2024 @ 11:06 pm
They were warned.
Last year they were visited by the FBI and told their son had left a message on some Internet board saying he would be a school shooter. The then 13-year old boy denied leaving that message.
The father said that, yes he had guns, hunting guns, but his son could not use them unsupervised.
The FBI decided that there was nothing more to do (no basis for a arrest)
I guess the boy learned not to tell anyone his thoughts.
The New York Times story this morning made no mention of what kind of a weapon it was. But I heard on the radio that it was a rifle. It could have been and he could have shot only 13 people, because he was stopped almost immediately and the school went into a very quick lockdown.
It started when he asked to go out of his classroom. When he was about to return the student who was to open the door took a quick look at him (and what he was carrying?) and locked the door, so he went into the neighboring classroom nd shot it up.
One boy who was killed (two students were) was considered autistic, and two teachers were killed. Eight students and 1 teacher were wounded but not killed. He fired off about ten shots right at the start,
Red flag laws don’t work.
Green light laws (compulsory insurance with their own money by ten friends or acquaintances of the gun purchaser with a minimum of 3 of each sex – could be as little as $1,000 a person if the gun was ever stolen or used in the crime in the next three years or whatever) might work, even in this case.
It might have motivated the father to take extra care with his guns. (Knowing, after all, that his son was suspected of having been the one who left a message in his own name or User ID that he wanted to be a school shooter.)
I didn’t mention that under my green light law, friends could withdraw their insurance.
Sammy Finkelman (e4ef09) — 9/5/2024 @ 3:03 pmRed flag laws are only good if they are enforced. For example, Maine has a yellow flag law that allows “anyone who suspects a gun owner is a threat to report them to the police, who then must determine whether that person should be taken into protective custody, evaluated by a mental health professional, or apply for a court order to seize their firearms.” But it was never used by the police, even after they were informed months in advance that Robert Card was mentally ill before he went on rampage in Lewiston and killed 18 persons. In fact, the police don’t support the law, describing it as “cumbersome, inefficient and unduly restrictive.” With that attitude no wonder they disregarded multiple reports of Card’s instability.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/5/2024 @ 5:04 pmIn fact, the police don’t support the law, describing it as “cumbersome, inefficient and unduly restrictive.”
Because in the 0.01% of cases where it helps, it alienates everyone in the other 99.99%. Imagine how much rural county sheriffs want to serve gun-grabbing orders. Not just the elected ones, but their at-risk deputies.
Pre-crime enforcement is like that — very shaky ground. In the GA case they had put the parents on notice and the parents didn’t give a F. Hence the arrest.
Kevin M (a9545f) — 9/5/2024 @ 5:16 pmI hope they beat the rap.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/5/2024 @ 5:24 pm@11 why?
asset (9276b9) — 9/5/2024 @ 11:10 pmWhat is wrong with JD Vance? What is wrong with him?
Our schools are already surrounded with locked chain link fencing and we have safety officers on campus. A lot of our high schools have metal detectors. There are cameras. There isn’t a way to make schools safer without straight up locking down the kids.
This is a cultural problem. And he’s not helping.
Nic (120c94) — 9/6/2024 @ 12:21 amJ. the D is for Down On His Knees Vance has to endeavor to persevere until all the ballot printing deadlines have passed.
nk (db658f) — 9/6/2024 @ 2:51 amKevin M (a9545f) — 9/5/2024 @ 5:16 pm
have to apologize for sm error here.
I was wrong when I said yesterday his “parents” were warned, and worse, knew that I didn’t know.
All the stories spoke only about the FBI speaking to the father but I assumed the mother was there too like is more usual and like with the Crumbleys.
The parents were separated or divorced (different sources)
They were possibly separated since or before the eviction in August, 2022 and the mother took the two youngest children and the father took the oldest, a boy.
Their mother was a drug addict with a long criminal record (rap sheet.)
Sammy FInkelman (e4ef09) — 9/6/2024 @ 12:40 pm