Weekend Open Thread
[guest post by Dana]
Let’s go!
First news item
One administration official told Axios: “Members of the extreme left are the same people who claim to call out dog whistles, and in this case they are now tone-deaf to anti-semitism unless they see a swastika.”
Another administration official, who is Jewish, told Axios: “The willingness by some individuals to excuse rape, killing babies, kidnapping children — there seems to be no line when Jews are the victim.”
A few administration officials who are Jewish told Axios they have felt apprehension in loudly backing the president even amongst their peers, given some of the rhetoric from the left-wing of the party.
Second news item
A giant red flag: Trump on weaponizing the Justice Department:
“Well, he’s unleashed something that everybody, we’ve all known about this for a hundred years,” Trump said, apparently in reference to President Biden and his administration. “We’ve watched other countries do it and, in some cases, effective and in other cases, the country’s overthrown or it’s been totally ineffective. But we’ve watched this for a long time, and it’s not unique, but it’s unique for the United States. Yeah. If they do this and they’ve already done it, but if they want to follow through on this, yeah, it could certainly happen in reverse. It could certainly happen in reverse. What they’ve done is they’ve released the genie out of the box.”
The former president claimed prosecutors have “done indictments in order to win an election,” and then suggested that if he is president, he could indict someone who is beating him “very badly.”
“They call it weaponization, and the people aren’t going to stand for it,” Trump said. “But yeah. they have done something that allows the next party. I mean, if somebody — if I happen to be president and I see somebody who’s doing well and beating me very badly, I say, ‘Go down and indict them.’ Mostly what that would be, you know, they would be out of business. They’d be out, they’d be out of the election.”
An individual, who we already *know* is corrupt and willing to subvert the law to benefit himself, now warns issues this warning, is a person has absolutely no business being near the presidency. Not then, not now, and not in the future. Period. And while Trump is a big problem in and of himself, it is the electorate that continues to venerate the buffoon, and will possibly put him in the Oval again.
Third news item
The Washington Post, whose banner reads Democracy Dies in Darkness, deleted a political cartoon depicting a Hamas terrorist using children and a woman as shields. Apparently that offended the sensitivities of some staffers and readers who complained about “both its message and the exaggerated features of its Palestinian subjects”:
When you choose to see this as representing all Palestinians, rather than the very obvious Hamas terrorists, then the terrorists are winning the PR battle. Assuming that this is a representation of the Palestinians at large only plays into the hands of the pro-Hamas groups and the terrorists themselves.
Fourth news item
On the eve of the anniversary of Kristallnacht, bearing witness to the Hamas massacre:
On Wednesday evening…some 200 invited members of the industry — most of them avowed supporters of Israel — convened at the Museum of Tolerance in West L.A. for a screening of a film unlike any other: Bearing Witness, which comprises 43 minutes of footage of atrocities committed by Hamas terrorists against Israeli citizens on Oct. 7…the footage was gruesome. Among other things, it depicted Israelis being ambushed, shot through windshields and beheaded with shovels, and it included audio of terrorists proudly parading around hostages and calling loved ones back in Gaza to boast about their misdeeds. For some, it was all too much — a number of attendees could be heard weeping, and some left the theater mid-film, unable to watch anymore. For others, it was not enough — when it ended, as Sheffler rose to speak again, several attendees marched out of the theater and shouted that viewers should not have been spared any of the atrocities that were committed, so that people would know the full extent of Hamas’ evil.
#BREAKING: Two groups clash outside L.A.'s Museum of Tolerance as the center screens a film on Hamas atrocities. LAPD officers move in as several people appear to have been punched and pepper-sprayed. Eyewitness News is live with the tense situation. Tonight at 11 from ABC7 pic.twitter.com/JJSpV6MmXi
— ABC7 Eyewitness News (@ABC7) November 9, 2023
Fifth news item
Some believe that Sen. Joe Manchin, who announced he will not be running for re-election, will now be free to run third party run for the presidency:
“After months of deliberation and long conversations with my family, I believe in my heart of hearts that I have accomplished what I set out to do for West Virginia. I have made one of the toughest decisions of my life and decided that I will not be running for re-election to the United States Senate, but what I will be doing is traveling the country and speaking out to see if there is an interest in creating a movement to mobilize the middle and bring Americans together.
The No Labels political organization released a statement following Manchin’s announcement:
Senator Joe Manchin is a tireless voice for America’s commonsense majority and a longtime ally of the No Labels movement. The Senate will lose a great leader when he leaves, but we commend Senator Manchin for stepping up to lead a long overdue national conversation about solving America’s biggest challenges, including inflation, an insecure border, out-of-control debt and growing threats from abroad.
Regarding our No Labels Unity presidential ticket, we are gathering input from our members across the country to understand the kind of leaders they would like to see in the White House. As we have said from the beginning, we will make a decision by early 2024 about whether we will nominate a Unity presidential ticket and who will be on it
Sixth news item
In Germany, Anne Frank cancelled?? Not a good look, Germany.
A proposal in a small German town to rename a public day care center that is currently named after Anne Frank has become the center of a fraught national debate in the country about antisemitism.
The plan to change the day care center’s name in the town of Tangerhütte…has attracted widespread coverage in the German press and criticism from politicians and Jewish leaders over the past few days.
Over the weekend, a local newspaper, the Volksstimme, published a report that the day care center, which it said had carried Anne Frank’s name since the 1970s, would be renamed “World Explorer.”
The proposed change comes in an atmosphere of acute concern about rising antisemitism in Germany, following the Oct. 7 Hamas assault on Israel and the subsequent Israeli bombardment of Gaza. Germany has long engaged in palpable national soul searching about the responsibility to remember the past given the country’s own history, including specifically about Anne Frank herself.
According to the report in the Volksstimme, the impetus to change the name had come from parents and day care employees, with the new name thought to be more child friendly. The story of Anne Frank was difficult for children to understand and “parents with a migrant background would often not know what to make of the name,” the newspaper reported, citing school authorities. The director of the school was quoted as saying the school wanted a name “without political background.”
On Sunday, Christoph Heubner, executive vice president of the International Auschwitz Committee, issued an open letter, in which he said Mr. Brohm and others responsible for the center were consciously turning their backs on Anne Frank.
“When people, especially in these times of renewed antisemitism and far-right extremism, are prepared to nonchalantly clean up their own history and consider the name of Anne Frank to be no longer desirable in the public space, it sets off alarm bells and sends out warnings concerning the fate of remembrance culture in our country,” he said in a statement accompanying the letter.
Untold thousands upon thousands of children throughout the West have been successfully taught about Anne Frank and her tragic story. Are the German educators unable to to do the same? There is an underlying ugliness at work here, and Germany will be rightfully judged if officials capitulate.
Seventh news item
A clear, informed, and nuanced Hillary Clinton makes for a must-see video from her appearance on The View:
Hillary Clinton on the Israelis and the Palestinians today on The View.
Covers everything from Hamas to humanitarian pauses to Yasser Arafat to Anwar Sadat. pic.twitter.com/1aYd2RFBUe
— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) November 9, 2023
While Netanyahu has understandably said “no” to any ceasefire, Israel has agreed to humanitarian “pauses” in order to get civilians to safety:
Israel has agreed to put in place four-hour daily humanitarian pauses in its assault on Hamas in northern Gaza, the White House said Thursday, as President Joe Biden pressed Israelis for a multi-day stoppage in the fighting in a bid to negotiate the release of hostages held by the militant group…John Kirby said a daily humanitarian pause would be announced Thursday and that the Israelis had committed to announcing each four-hour window at least three hours in advance. Israel, he said, also was opening a second corridor for civilians to flee the areas that are the current focus of its military campaign against Hamas, with a coastal road joining the territory’s main north-south highway.
Eighth news item
Bipartisan group of senators work on migrant border crossing issue:
A bipartisan group of senators is working through the weekend to forge a deal on asylum policy changes designed to reduce migrant crossings along the southern border, hoping to make a rare breakthrough on one of Congress’ most intractable issues, three congressional officials told CBS News.
Sens. Michael Bennet of Colorado, James Lankford of Oklahoma, Chris Murphy of Connecticut, Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona and Thom Tillis of North Carolina are negotiating a compromise to overhaul how migrants are processed along the U.S.-Mexico border, where illegal crossings have soared to all-time highs over the past two years. The compromise they’re envisioning would be part of a broader national security funding package requested by President Biden that includes aid to Israel, Ukraine and border security money, which Senate Republicans have conditioned on significant restrictions on asylum.
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In fiscal year 2023, Border Patrol processed more than two million migrants who crossed into the U.S. unlawfully, only the second time that threshold has been surpassed in the agency’s history, federal statistics show. The unprecedented migration flows have strained federal and local resources, in border and interior cities alike, and created a political headache for Mr. Biden as he seeks a second term.
MISCELLANEOUS
Sen. Fetterman pushes back:
In my front office I have displayed the posters of the innocent Israelis kidnapped by Hamas.
They will stay up until every single person is safely returned home. pic.twitter.com/qxCmvC97uY
— Senator John Fetterman (@SenFettermanPA) November 7, 2023
Senator John Fetterman walks past ceasefire advocates getting arrested while he waves the Israeli flag.
In the past month, Fetterman has come under fire from leftists and progressives who supported his candidacy. pic.twitter.com/mRucy0XXgD
— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) November 10, 2023
Have a good weekend.
–Dana
Hello.
Dana (932d71) — 11/10/2023 @ 11:23 amThe problem with Trump threatening to use the FBI against his opponents is really just par for the course.
“Progressives” (this is a word that means Marxist every time it is used) have repeatedly pointed to some imagined action by Republicans to justify their deeper desires. W sends “Muslims” to Guantanamo, they start talking about sending “American Taliban” to camps.
Trump is lying about the federal cases against him, but the NY state cases are obviously targeted against him for political reasons, with AGs and DAs who ran on the platform of “getting Trump.” The NY judge in his real estate case has allowed himself to be caught up in the melee, particularly with his low-ball pretrial valuation of properties like Mar-a-Lago and the golf club. The hush money case is overcharged and Trumped up — there are two misdemeanors laughably expanded to 33 felonies.
I said at the beginning of this that Trump would be able to use the NY cases to diminish the valid prosecutions elsewhere. I see no reason to believe I was in error.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/10/2023 @ 11:41 amAs I pointed out in another thread, the NY Post has some harsh words for the WaPo about the Ramirez censorship.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/10/2023 @ 11:51 amIn a Trump-Biden election, I think that Joe Manchin gets a lot of erstwhile GOP votes. It’s a lot easier for a #NeverTrump Republican (or former Republican) to vote for Manchin than for Biden,
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/10/2023 @ 11:56 amIn a Haley-Biden election, votes move the other way (and some move to “not voting”).
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/10/2023 @ 11:57 amIn a Trump-Biden election, I think that Joe Manchin gets a lot of erstwhile GOP votes.
You really think so? My impression of Manchin is that most Republicans loathe him because as his election draws near he pretends to be some moderate Democrat who is concerned with his party’s leftward drift, but once he wins reelection he spends the next four years voting the same way that Elizabeth Warren does until it’s time to moderate in the final two years. I’ve always thought of him as an outright phony. The only reason he’s not running for reelection this year is clearly because polling shows that he can’t win as a Democrat and the GOP won’t let him have their nomination.
If it came down to a Biden-Trump-Manchin race I would definitely vote Libertarian or American Constitution again. Hell, I would leave the Presidential section on my ballot blank before I would vote for any of the three people named above.
JVW (1ad43e) — 11/10/2023 @ 12:11 pmFourth news item:
Why are these screenings limited to elites in New York and Los Angeles? Why not release the footage to the public? If the networks won’t show, then it should be streamed.
Rip Murdock (c5a0a1) — 11/10/2023 @ 12:12 pmWhy are these screenings limited to elites in New York and Los Angeles?
I think we need a wealthy non-Jewish sponsor not affiliated with Israel to fund this sort of initiative. If AIPAC or wealthy American Jews like the family of Sheldon Adelson is behind it, it will be way too easy for the American left to dismiss this as propaganda. Maybe this is where Evangelists can step up and show solidarity with the Jewish people.
JVW (1ad43e) — 11/10/2023 @ 12:15 pmBy the way, if anyone is wondering if I have any thoughts on the Powerline story about pro-Hamas students harassing Jewish students, faculty, and staff at MIT, please know that I am trying to get more information from some reliable sources as to what exactly went on.
JVW (1ad43e) — 11/10/2023 @ 12:18 pmThe generic idea of a third party polls is really high today, but they must qualify for the ballot in 50 states (all with different rules). A third party will create enough unknowns for both Republicans and Democrats that they will team up to challenge their placement on state ballots.
And who that third party candidate is (with all their previous political baggage) will probably reduce the support for a third party candidate.
Rip Murdock (c5a0a1) — 11/10/2023 @ 12:27 pmI’d be very interested in reading a post by you about that, JVW.
Dana (932d71) — 11/10/2023 @ 12:29 pmManchin is as old as Trump. No thanks.
Rip Murdock (c5a0a1) — 11/10/2023 @ 12:33 pmSecond news item
I’m sure Republicans in Congress and the courts will restrain Trump’s more outrageous policies.
/sarcasm
Rip Murdock (c5a0a1) — 11/10/2023 @ 1:17 pmAs A lefty I am amazed how far the left has gone in supporting hamas not just palestinian justice. I have mixed emotions as hamas and Islam are not the good guys. Hospitals are now in the crossfire good luck! The left is showing its power and will soon dominate the democratic party. I wish it was in a better cause. I am trying to educate others on the left that humanitarian support for palestinians is fine support for hamas is not. Now for you on the right cheap political attacks in the short run may gain a you a tactical advantage as it did during the vietnam war ;but in the long runs it hardens the left’s position which in this case is not so good. (hamas support) The young are going left faster then I thought. Good for my side not good for yours. Thanks to demographics every day we get more you get less. Especially now they are less reluctant to use force then even I am. Looks like the left has left this old fogey behind!
asset (3f1d33) — 11/10/2023 @ 1:18 pmSaying Trump is threatening to weaponize the FBI is about as noteworthy as saying Trump is threatening to create chaos at the southern border.
It must be embarrassing to acknowledge that Crossfire Hurricane, with the weight of FBI resources in full boner mode, found no Trump Russia collusion while John Durham found a slate of irregularities in the FBI’s pursuit of it:
It’s become almost self parody to see NeverTrumpers blame Trump for threats that have already been carried out against him, and which required pretzel contortions to justify at the time. As Peggy Noonan put it before:
lloyd (f335f8) — 11/10/2023 @ 1:39 pmMoms for Liberty got spanked in Tuesday’s election:
Rip Murdock (090c65) — 11/10/2023 @ 1:43 pmAsset, what cheap political attacks??
Dana (932d71) — 11/10/2023 @ 1:45 pmAnd what do those “cheap political attacks” look like? I can’t imagine mocking or joking about torture, rape, kidnapping, and murder – especially when babies and children are involved.
Dana (932d71) — 11/10/2023 @ 1:47 pmThe young are going left faster then I thought. Good for my side not good for yours. Thanks to demographics every day we get more you get less. Especially now they are less reluctant to use force then even I am.
asset, for an “old fogey” you seem to completely ignore all of the teachings of history. It may be true that the left is growing in America as this ill-educated, pampered, and narcissistic generation begins to assert itself, but the story of left-wing movements throughout history is that they always end up turning on themselves once they begin to taste power. Robespierre was sent to the guillotine by his comrades (after having proven to be too incompetent to take his own life with a pistol), Stalin had Trotsky murdered, the Black Panthers fell out of favor when they started killing their own members, Shining Path in Peru ended up fighting with the Tupac Amaru Revolutionary Movement, Pol Pot ended up murdering a million of his own supporters, and so it goes.
So you’ll forgive us if we believe that when the mindless young radicals, who can’t even determine which pronouns to use, are on the cusp of attaining a foothold in the halls of power they will find a way to foul it all up. And your warning that they are comfortable with using force doesn’t really move the needle with a bunch of right wingers who stockpile firearms and ammunition. But your delusions are noted.
JVW (1ad43e) — 11/10/2023 @ 1:55 pmIt will be the Red Guards and Cultural Revolution all over again.
Rip Murdock (090c65) — 11/10/2023 @ 2:24 pm@JVW, I too, would be extremely interested what you can ascertain that story.
whembly (265489) — 11/10/2023 @ 6:14 pmRe:
Am I wrong to give Sen. Fetterman some kudos here?
It’s almost as if he’s… based.
Not that I’m going to actively support him politically, but I can at the very least point out that he’s taken the right, and respectable position on the Israeli/Hamas conflict.
whembly (265489) — 11/10/2023 @ 6:15 pm@17/18 lumping the majority of those democrats and others on the left who sincerely want the killing of innocent palestinian women and children to stop and support a ceasefire with hamas supporters I don’t support ceasefire until hamas is neutralized ;but they better hurry up as unintended consequences are starting to kick in. U.S. business interests in arab world are starting to work on a corporate shill like Biden. Same thing happened during the Vietnam war which America is still dealing with the bitterness.
asset (7ab5fa) — 11/10/2023 @ 6:51 pm@19 If that was all there was to the left you wouldn’t have the problem that you will have. It wasn’t the Panthers, tom haydens, abby hoffmans and bill ayres who grew up and moved this country to the left. It was the anti-war moderates who were hardened by the rights actions. Obama, pelosi and even clintons have more in common with them then with you. @20 Red guards wont be necessary as we peacefully take over the democrat party from the corporate establishment stooges and then america’s political system. Laura ingraham did a show tonight about democrats leaving the democrat party forgetting what democrats did in red states tuesday night. AOC is the role model for latinx girls. Every month 300,000 thousand minorities turn voting age and half of generation Z has not turned voting age yet. (They vote democrat more then any other and milennials are next) Biden turns everybody off ;but will be gone soon. Health or election. If election and trump wins AOC takes over democratic party as dem. establishment will be even more discredited then they were after 2016!
asset (7ab5fa) — 11/10/2023 @ 7:15 pmIf the networks won’t show, then it should be streamed.
There is a small oligarchy that controls the hosting platforms. Amazon, Google and Microsoft. Ask them.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/10/2023 @ 8:53 pmManchin is as old as Trump. No thanks.
He’s not my cup of tea either, but, on scale of 1 to 10, Trump being 1 and Biden being 2, Manchin is the one-eyed man.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/10/2023 @ 8:55 pmMy personal preference is for President Haley to be inaugurated on Jan 20, 2025.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/10/2023 @ 8:56 pmRegarding Item 3, the DDIN succumbed to Islamophobia-phobia, the fear of being labeled an Islamophobe. Cowards.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 11/10/2023 @ 9:22 pmFalse. The Mueller and Senate Intelligence Committee reports found evidence of Trump people conspiring with Putin people to get Trump elected, but it was insufficient to bring indictments.
The Durham report found d!ck.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 11/10/2023 @ 9:34 pmIG Horowitz concluded that Crossfire Hurricane was properly predicated, and Durham was approving of both the Horowitz and Mueller reports. Horowitz concluded that there was no evidence of documentary or testamentary bias by the FBI in their efforts.
In addition to Trump’s weaponization fantasy, there’s this. For the love of all that is good and decent, keep this malignant narcissist out of the Oval Office.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 11/10/2023 @ 9:46 pmAbout that “mostly peaceful protest” involving Hamas supporters at Grand Central.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 11/10/2023 @ 9:59 pmDoes Israel protect america or america protect Israel? The answer is obvious. Nearly half the country supports palestinians and more then half a ceasefire though not yet for me. While some who support a ceasefire do most don’t support hamas killing women and children. Most of those who support a ceasefire are younger and vote democrat. So attacking them as pro hamas terror supporters is counter productive unless you think joe biden is no different then AOC in charge of the democrat party because biden is the past and AOC is the future and if not her it will be someone who agrees with her.
asset (7ab5fa) — 11/10/2023 @ 11:15 pmTom Nichols on Twitter:
lurker (cd7cd4) — 11/10/2023 @ 11:26 pmLink for @33.
lurker (cd7cd4) — 11/10/2023 @ 11:27 pm@33 And this too shall pass. Remember trump derangement syndrome? I got banned from democrat sites for saying I don’t see any collusion. A lot in right wing media have a vested interest in branding all with reservations about what is going on in gaza as supporting hamas terrorists. If I didn’t continuously mention I oppose ceasefire until hamas has been delt with they would use it against me. Making the situation worse wont make it better. I educate by pointing out that just because netanyahu is corrupt and evil and so is likud party that doesn’t make hamas killers good. Like we supported stalin in the war against hitler. Dresden, hamburg and even hiroshima were necessary evils.
asset (7ab5fa) — 11/11/2023 @ 2:37 amSpeaking of Manchin, I’d vote for Hogan-Manchin on the No Labels ticket, but not Manchin-Hogan.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 11/11/2023 @ 6:34 am#22
Fetterman may be that thing I have been looking for — a sassy, media savvy semi-moderate.
Appalled (97aa3b) — 11/11/2023 @ 7:08 amNearly half the country supports palestinians
In the sense that they support a regime that offers Palestinians a future of safety and prosperity. This is not the same as supporting Hamas or Fatah, the latest Intifada or the destruction of Israel.
If one were to ask if Americans supported the continuing poverty and desperation under the PLO, it would be a lot more than 50% who said NO.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/11/2023 @ 8:35 amHow annoying is Vivek Ramaswamy?
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/11/2023 @ 8:38 amSpeaking of Manchin, I’d vote for Hogan-Manchin on the No Labels ticket, but not Manchin-Hogan.
I would vote for any candidate with broad support that was not Trump or Biden.
People (well, liars) keep talking about how badly third parties do, but most third parties are beyond the pale of the majors. Imagine being further Right or Left than Gosar or Tlaib. They are mostly whackjob candidates for whackjob voters, or collectors of protest votes.
The voters spread out on a Bell Curve, aka a Gaussian Distribution, with 2/3rds of the voters between +/- 1 standard deviation.
The two parties form a bimodal distribution, with each party’s center being around +/- 1 Standard Deviation from the center.
Our first-past-the-post electoral system tends to favor the latter distribution as it allows clear choices. Centrist candidates usually find that people pull away to one side or the other. But when the two polar candidates are so widely disliked that people are anxious for alternatives, a center pole can become an attractor.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/11/2023 @ 8:52 amNew Mexico news of great import:
In-N-Out will expand to Albuquerque. One less reason to travel to California.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/11/2023 @ 9:25 amSource?
Rip Murdock (090c65) — 11/11/2023 @ 9:31 amGeorge W. Bush rightly criticized the “soft bigotry of low expectations’. (Here’s the speech. It’s short, and almost everyone can learn from it.)
But what should we call the bigotry of no expectations; what adjective applies to the bigotry shown by those who think it unfair to have any expectations at all of Hamas?
Cross posted at Political Betting.)
Jim Miller (672c6a) — 11/11/2023 @ 9:50 amIn last week’s debate, Vivek called for a wall across the northern border, too. The difference there is that Canada would probably want to pay for it.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/11/2023 @ 9:58 amAs annoying as he is, he displayed for the world that Haley’s emotional frothing is not something that the red button in the Oval Office needs anywhere near it. If she is trolled into outrage that easily I could not imagine how many members of the military will get killed over her pride.
If you have a chance to see the video of that exchange, her rage face pierced through her makeup. She looked as red as the cartoon thermometer before it pops.
BuDuh (ddc422) — 11/11/2023 @ 10:09 amThis also seems to make one of Vivek’s other points; that Haley liked palling around with actual scumbags.
BuDuh (ddc422) — 11/11/2023 @ 10:13 amVivek is a prime asshat. Like Trump, he wears it as a badge of pride.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/11/2023 @ 10:23 amHaley’s emotional frothing
If a man had done that, it would have been “Standing up for his kids.” But a woman, it’s “emotional.”
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/11/2023 @ 10:24 amI thought you watched the debate?
BuDuh (ddc422) — 11/11/2023 @ 10:34 am“Speaking of Manchin, I’d vote for Hogan-Manchin on the No Labels ticket, but not Manchin-Hogan.”
Yeah Manchin is too old to lead a ticket. He’s not exactly dynamic, energetic, or personable. His only role would be to balance a Republican governor at the top of the ticket. We could all name other people we would like to see on a ticket, including Liz Cheney and Paul Ryan, but it all depends on what the goal of the exercise is. It’s reasonable to argue “siphon as many Republican votes that might otherwise go to Trump”. If the goal is to win, then you need a perfect storm: a Trump conviction or two before the election, accompanied by unhinged ranting and perhaps some ultra-MAGA violence, coupled with a Biden health scare that further reacquaints us with who is second on that ticket. Otherwise, tribalism and political muscle memory makes it hard to actually win electoral votes. Quick exercise: which states are ripe for falling to a third party? Maybe somewhere like New Hampshire, but I struggle to think of many with a true independent streak….absent my apocalypto scenario (and I use apocalypto in the best possible sense).
AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 11/11/2023 @ 10:49 amI thought you watched the debate?
I did. I thought that Vivek was an asshat, like I said. He’s just there to be Mini-me to Trump.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/11/2023 @ 10:54 amHere is the question from Hewitt and Haley’s and Vivick’s responses(I cut out Christie and DeSantis):
Vivek’s “attack” was actually on Haley’s leadership. And his insult was to her parenting skills. Haley tried the victim route which seems to have worked on some people.
He never chumped on her daughter; just her. Crying misogyny doesn’t change anything. She was flummoxed on stage, under pressure, and poorly defended a strawman of her creation. Vivek is correct about Hugh’s question, he is correct about her previous griping over Vivek’s use of TikTok, and he is correct that Haley better get her own house sorted out before she starts policing others.
Another way that you can tell is was bad for Haley is that Hugh allowed one of the only “my name was mentioned” responses in the whole debate. She needs all the help she can get when the chips are down, I guess.
BuDuh (ddc422) — 11/11/2023 @ 10:55 amQuick exercise: which states are ripe for falling to a third party? Maybe somewhere like New Hampshire
A “centrist” party would be a less loaded question. And I’ll tell you who: California, where the Democrats are in disfavor. Less disfavor than Trump and the GOP, it’s true, but both Biden and Newsom are under water. Give people another choice that wasn’t socially conservative and you have a contest.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/11/2023 @ 10:57 amBuhDuh, I am just going to have to place you as either supporting asshats or calling women who react to scummy asshats as “emotional”.
AllahNick:
Tell me, which of these proposals or comments of Vivek’s do you most agree with?
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/11/2023 @ 11:00 amJoe Rogan or Tucker Carlson “moderating” a debate? Someone needs to look up the definition of “moderating.”
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/11/2023 @ 11:03 am“If a man had done that, it would have been “Standing up for his kids.” But a woman, it’s “emotional.””
Yeah, use Obama’s or Bush’s daughters as a cheap prop and it would have rightly gotten a reference to the back of the gymnasium and a punch to the nose. This is politics 101: keep family out of cheap shots. Trump normalized this with attacking Heidi Cruz’s looks and Rafael Cruz’s improbable involvement in the JFK assassination (let’s not forget his memorable and despicable attacks on Carly Fiorina and Megyn Kelly). I’m fine with Haley’s response. He is scum and yet another embarrassment for the GOP political incubator. This is someone who should have been flushed post haste after the first debate. In fact, it’s about time for a candidate to show some justifiable anger rather than Dukakis coldness. Voters too should be mad that this inexperienced, interrupting interloper is corrupting these debates.
AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 11/11/2023 @ 11:05 amStrong candidates, male or female, don’t take bait from asshats.
Do you get it now?
I don’t have to like Vivik to still be able to recognize the damage he did to her “tough” image. She has brought up her woman-in-a-man’s-world schtick enough times, she should have been better prepared to keep her emotions in check.
From the 1st debate:
She is consumed by the man/woman thing. And so are her faithful.
BuDuh (ddc422) — 11/11/2023 @ 11:17 am@53, that’s fair, except for the infrastructure and organization advantage that Democrats will have in California. Unless we see Weekend at Joe’s, Biden will win California. Winning entails Getting Out The Vote and raising money. I don’t see Hogan/Manchin excelling at that with their bases being 2500 miles away. Neither has that personality swagger that Perot had. They’re standard politicians…why would California ditch Joe?
AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 11/11/2023 @ 11:18 am“Strong candidates, male or female, don’t take bait from asshats. Do you get it now?”
Where is the evidence that today’s GOP cares a lick about name calling? Does Trump stay cool on Truth Social or does he rant like an adolescent in heat? Ranting and emoting almost defines the GOP anymore. Do those rants affect his poll numbers? Why should we think they will affect Haley’s?
AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 11/11/2023 @ 11:21 amIt has Kevin and AllahWhoever pretty worked up.
The second debate’s TikTok conversation is something else. Haley really should have been better prepared at the third debate.
Here is it link:
https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/second-republican-presidential-primary-debate-transcript/amp
But, misogyny….
Later, dudes.
BuDuh (ddc422) — 11/11/2023 @ 11:26 amShe is consumed by the man/woman thing. And so are her faithful.
So, apparently, are her detractors.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/11/2023 @ 11:27 amWell, now we know what Haley would want to do if Hamas had kidnapped her daughter. She has some steel in her spine. I don’t think she’d start a war over our predator bait/troops being targeted by Iranian proxies in the Middle East, but I’m guessing she would make sure the terrorist training camp Iran runs in Iraq would go boom.
She’s not going to put a car bomb in Vivek’s Ford Expedition, she was noting Vivek was being even more of an ass than usual by crossing that line.
steveg (032d7e) — 11/11/2023 @ 11:28 amBuhdah, you haven’t answered my question.
Do you think he’s right that Zelensky is a Nazi?
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/11/2023 @ 11:32 amDo you think that Tucker of Rogan would make a good moderator (or, by implication, that Hugh Hewitt has no place there)?
Do you think that MAGA doesn’t harm GOP candidates? Do you think that we should build a wall to keep Canadians out?
Do you think that Vivek is more than a stand-in for Trump?
Sorry, BuDuh. My bad.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/11/2023 @ 11:33 amCandidate One:
Candidate Two:
Candidate One:
Handled deftly.
My apologies. She is a true leader.
BuDuh (ddc422) — 11/11/2023 @ 11:41 am“The second debate’s TikTok conversation is something else. Haley really should have been better prepared at the third debate.”
In reality, like much of the rest of the debate….it’s irrelevant. Trump leads by 40 points and is facing no adversarial questioning…despite facing 91 felony counts, being found civilly liable for sexual assault, and currently facing civil liability for cooking the books. Any debate should focus on how possibly he can win and why other candidates are better positioned. TikTok is just more garbage social media…but it’s in fact less important than putting a deluded felon in the White House to execute vengeance.
AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 11/11/2023 @ 11:48 amLOL! California’s voter registration stats, as of October 3, 2023:
Just because Newsom and Biden are unpopular now doesn’t mean a) Biden won’t win California 360 days from now; and b) party ID is probably the single best indicator as to how someone will vote.
Rip Murdock (bf8278) — 11/11/2023 @ 11:49 amI quickly scrolled back and I am not sure where you asked me these questions.
OK?
BuDuh (ddc422) — 11/11/2023 @ 11:49 amHaley probably picked up some independent suburban moms who couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Mr. “grab ’em by the..” Trump and calling Vivek scum over bringing up her daughter might have picked her up a few more.
As for the “Haley’s daughter used an ubiquitous social media platform, Tik-tok even as Haley herself says Tik-Tok is a CCCP bonanza” angle, all I can say is ?
steveg (032d7e) — 11/11/2023 @ 11:51 amLink for post 67.
Rip Murdock (460231) — 11/11/2023 @ 11:51 amAhh. I see it now. The request was part of the Allah quote. Thank you for making actual questions for me to answer.
BuDuh (ddc422) — 11/11/2023 @ 11:51 amRamaswamy uses TikTok to promote his campaign despite calling it digital fetanyl. He has 100,000 followers. No other GOP candidates use it. Haley’s daughter Rena no longer uses the app. But somehow her previous use is relevant, even though she is an adult. Curious.
TikTok is generally “bad” because it increases your digital footprint making you more susceptible to phishing and stalking. The Chinese operate it so it poses national security concerns. Was Rena compromised by her footprint any more than Ramaswamy was? This is silly.
AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 11/11/2023 @ 11:59 amAnd Haley would have been better served to understand that it is silly and to have restrained herself, IMO.
BuDuh (ddc422) — 11/11/2023 @ 12:01 pm<blockquote€RNC warns candidates that attending Iowa Christian group’s forum will disqualify them from debates
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Five candidates – former President Donald Trump, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley, entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy and South Carolina Sen. Tim Scott – were invited to (Bob Vander Plaats’s)Family Leader’s “Thanksgiving Family Forum” on November 17.
“It has come to the attention of the RNC Counsel’s Office that several Republican presidential candidates have been invited to participate in an open-press event in Iowa in November at which they would ‘gather around the table to have a moderated, friendly, and open discussion about the issues.’ In other words, a debate,” the RNC counsel’s office said in a letter obtained by CNN.
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“Accordingly, please be advised that any Republican presidential candidate who participates in this or other similar events will be deemed to have violated this pledge and will be disqualified from taking part in any future RNC-sanctioned presidential primary debates,” the office said.
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The Family Leader plans to move forward with the event, despite the RNC’s warning.
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More:
Reportedly it was the Trump campaign that informed the RNC about the forum. If the RNC does enforce its pledge and disqualifies the candidates who participate forum, it would a) be a huge surprise, and b) play right into the Trump campaign’s desire to end the debates.
Rip Murdock (bf8278) — 11/11/2023 @ 12:09 pmSorry for the formatting error on post 74.
Rip Murdock (bf8278) — 11/11/2023 @ 12:10 pmMichael Ramirez has a good suggestion for TikTok, here.
(Though I am not absolutely sure the pandas haven’t been spying on us, too.
The extent of the ChiCom spying in the US continues to amaze me. By now, I would not be surprised, for instance, if we learn soon that the brothel story is another small part of their efforts.)
Jim Miller (aec6ae) — 11/11/2023 @ 12:14 pmApparently then he also has a record of picking losers. Winning Iowa, outside of publicity and a few delegates, is not predictive of who wins the Republican nomination:
Rip Murdock (bf8278) — 11/11/2023 @ 12:23 pm@42 the nation. 66% support cease fire. Other sources have same 66% number.
asset (fdc372) — 11/11/2023 @ 1:49 pm@54 replacing biden with Michelle Obama.
asset (fdc372) — 11/11/2023 @ 1:53 pm@65 All voters want to see a woman candidate shows she is ready to fight back if necessary. Only those who oppose haley have a problem. Her position on abortion would give biden and the dnc fear of losing to her.
asset (fdc372) — 11/11/2023 @ 2:01 pm@65: Agree3d. The person who injected a child into the debate is no leader. Maybe he’s not scum for that, but it’s not his only demerit.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/11/2023 @ 4:08 pmJust because Newsom and Biden are unpopular now doesn’t mean a) Biden won’t win California 360 days from now; and b) party ID is probably the single best indicator as to how someone will vote.
If “b” was correct then Kentucky would have a GOP governor.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/11/2023 @ 4:10 pmAhh. I see it now. The request was part of the Allah quote. Thank you for making actual questions for me to answer.
Tick tock (to coin a phrase).
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/11/2023 @ 4:11 pmHer position on abortion would give biden and the dnc fear of losing to her.
Her position is this: “It’s not for the President to decide, it’s for Congress or the Legislatures.” This kind or reality-check is disliked by demagogues everywhere.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/11/2023 @ 4:13 pm66% support cease fire.
Source for this? Because actual polls say the opposite.
(Rasmussen’s polls are behind a paywall. This is from Newsmax)
68% oppose a cease-fire.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/11/2023 @ 4:23 pmhttps://unherd.com/2023/11/why-i-am-now-a-christian/
So much there to read. It’s an enlightened piece and I am glad to see she has had her eyes opened and her heart awakened.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/11/2023 @ 4:43 pm@82 Democrats aren’t worried about cali, they are worried about az, ga, mi, pa, wi. and floriduh with abortion vote on ballot. Cnn and msdnc are already wringing their hands about jill stein entering the race for green party.
asset (76a9bd) — 11/11/2023 @ 4:55 pm@85 I gave source “the nation” also pbs.org cnn. times of Israel(only slightly lower) and many others. Just google 66% support ceasefire. Rasmussen pole has higher number of republicans/conservatives then other pollsters. Thats how it got 68% oppose. And I oppose ceasefire.
asset (76a9bd) — 11/11/2023 @ 5:07 pmI’d support a ceasefire during the release of hostages
steveg (032d7e) — 11/11/2023 @ 5:25 pm@82 Democrats aren’t worried about cali, they are worried about az, ga, mi, pa, wi. and floriduh with abortion vote on ballot
In a Trump-Biden race, CA will go 70% for Biden. But if they have a centrist 3rd choice all bets are off.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/11/2023 @ 6:15 pmI’d support a ceasefire AFTER the release of hostages, followed by a peaceful surrender.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/11/2023 @ 6:16 pmRasmussen poll has higher number of republicans/conservatives then other pollsters.
NPR did not ask the cease-fire question, and they show that 65% of Americans support Israel in this war.
The Nation does say that 66% “want Biden to call for a cease-fire” (not the same thing as “want a cease-fire”) but the Nation is conflicted between supporting Trotsky or Stalin.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/11/2023 @ 6:22 pmIts kind of hard to transfer hostages safely without a ceasefire during the transfer, but I understand your point
steveg (032d7e) — 11/11/2023 @ 7:30 pmAs a person who cares about the palestinian people of gaza I know until hamas has been neutralized there will be no peace between Israel and gaza. Their muslim religion is bad enough to cause problems. Their Imams have to behave themselves in this country as they are being watched. The problem for us who oppose a ceasefire is not getting any better. I was watching faux news as sun tzu says to know what my enemies are thinking. They were interviewing two young people at a ceasefire rally a transgeder was holding up a lbtq+ceasefire sign. The reporter asked both what they thought about the hamas attack on oct. 7 Both gave a blank stare and said what attack? That is what were up against. Even worse on msdnc dr. with out border was being interviewed about the situation at the gaza hospital. She said there is no water, food, medical supplies or electricity with nearly a hundred new born babies lying in incubators with no power to them. One or two premature babies have been dying each hour as more are being born and replaced in the powerless incubator. Saying that 20 babies were killed at a kibbutz so the deaths of newborn palestinian babies don’t count. You better add the word yet.
asset (d7cf2d) — 11/11/2023 @ 8:25 pmWhen It Comes to Her Kids, Nikki Haley Can’t Have It Both Ways
By Teri Christoph | 8:15 PM on November 11, 2023
Written by a chick so “misogyny” = Derp.
BuDuh (ddc422) — 11/11/2023 @ 11:57 pmRidiculous, given your support for and defense of the Orange Emotional Midget.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 11/12/2023 @ 4:39 amPractically every one of Trump’s tweets or “truths” is larded with “emotional frothing”.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 11/12/2023 @ 4:46 am😭
BuDuh (ddc422) — 11/12/2023 @ 5:24 am91. Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/11/2023 @ 6:16 pm
The ceasefire, or time out, needs to come before that, of course.
You can’t have a surrender or release of hostages without a ceasefire. But the ceasefire has to be for the purposes of negotiating a surrender, partial or total. With a lot of precautions taken.
There used to be the concept of an “open city” I think it happened with Paris and Rome during World War II, although Hitler gave the order to burn Paris and maybe Rome..
Sammy Finkelman (b434ee) — 11/12/2023 @ 6:55 amhttps://nypost.com/2023/11/11/news/we-learn-hate-for-israel-on-tiktok-and-instagram-protesters
There’s some outright anti-semitism on TikTok, nit to mention what sounds like disinformation. (it’s unclear what they are describing)
Itnnever occurs to high school and college studnts that they are being targeted and that that is because they are most likely yo be ignorant because the whole subject is new to them – they are close to a tabula rasa – and older people never point that out.
It happens with “climate change” as well. (traditional environmental causes, like about toxic waste, or wildlife, I read, are losing charitable contributions to what amounts to lobbying to supposedly prevent climate disasters)
Sammy Finkelman (b434ee) — 11/12/2023 @ 7:15 amI don’t recall BuDuh declaring that Trump shouldn’t be near that “red button in the Oval Office” after he frothed about his kids testifying in a Manhattan courtroom, saying “Leave my children alone, Engoron, You are a disgrace to the legal profession!” in one of his “truth” tantrums, despite his kids being co-conspirators in Trump’s fraudulent organization and despite all three of them making conscious choices to join his corrupt businesses and be in the political arena.
Haley’s kid may be an adult, but she’s not in the political arena, she’s a recently married nurse, so she’s not fair game for political opportunists and Trumpian hacks.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 11/12/2023 @ 7:27 amShould a person have access to the red button when–not for the first time–the 77-year old malignant narcissist can’t recall the name of the current president?
Per RCP, 58.5% of the GOP is in a cult.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 11/12/2023 @ 7:49 amAbandon Ship!
Rip Murdock (4b4c41) — 11/12/2023 @ 8:16 amLink to post 103.
Rip Murdock (4b4c41) — 11/12/2023 @ 8:17 am“Six weeks, she just found out she’s pregnant, the odds are,” Bigelow told the outlet. “It’s a sham. It’s make-believe. It’s condescending.”
Then she has to get two ultrasounds and two doctors appointments to confirm the gestational age before she can schedule an abortion — which must be before 6 weeks gestational age. I bet you that Medicaid appointments don’t happen that fast.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/12/2023 @ 8:46 amJust when you thought that L.A. traffic could get no worse:
10 Freeway in downtown L.A. shut down after fire
Indefinitely. The belief is that the fire may have melted structural rebar. If so, the affected area needs to be demoed and replaced. This area is adjacent to the intersection of I-10, I-5, CA-60 and US-101, blocking the I-10 eastbound feeder to that intersection and all westbound ramps from those freeways to I-10, just south and east of downtown Los Angeles.
It’s a problem.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/12/2023 @ 8:52 am“58.5% of the GOP is in a cult.”
The GOP and its internet enablers no longer care about lying. Truth now equals what makes Trump happy. I fear too that the cultists will rationalize cheating in the 2024 election based on Trump’s unfounded allegations and insinuations of mass Democratic cheating. Is violence far behind it? We have a battle for reality that is not going well. Ramaswamy is just the latest incarnation of GOP rot.
Right Wing Media is making too much money peddling the grievances of Trumpism to turn against him. One would think that FNC learned an expensive lesson with the Dominion case but I fear it just learned to cover its tracks better and control what goes on live (ie, Trump and his sons no longer are interviewed live). Cults need propagandists and there is money in it.
And there is a sunk fallacy aspect to this as well. Trumpism has really only won one election cycle. Otherwise it has dreadfully underperformed, especially in 2022 when there should have been a red tidal wave rather than the red trickle. The losing and criminality is just causing the cult to double down. They need validation. If Trump won in 2020, then he will win again in 2024. People that know better about 2020 fear upsetting the cult.
If (or when) the GOP chooses to nominate a felon is pretty much the end of this version of the GOP. With all that is known and with all that Trump has said and done, there are no excuses. We are talking minority status until Right Wing Media loses too much influence and credibility. Correction will require a come-to-Jesus moment by that media.
AJ_Liberty (e11bff) — 11/12/2023 @ 8:53 amFor some reason I am unable to post a link to Google maps. The site behaves oddly, resetting to the main page.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/12/2023 @ 8:58 amAnd there is a sunk fallacy aspect to this as well. Trumpism has really only won one election cycle.
You don’t get it. This is 3rd-party disease. It’s NOT about winning at all. It’s about posturing, acting out and otherwise expressing one’s feelings. It’s not about winning the argument, it’s about having a good rant.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/12/2023 @ 9:00 amAJ, I have some hope that when the facts come out at trial that *some* of his support will fade. They are not all cultists — some of them are just fellow travelers. They may decide that this horse is done for and seek another.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/12/2023 @ 9:03 am“it’s about having a good rant.”
I agree with that. Trump is their megaphone. They want the loudest yeller regardless of his electability.
AJ_Liberty (e11bff) — 11/12/2023 @ 9:15 am“*some* of his support will fade”
As Rip opines, will it be too late? These cases really needed to start this year, not next year. The only possibility will be that a conviction will propel voter’s remorse….but there’s nothing certain in that hope.
AJ_Liberty (e11bff) — 11/12/2023 @ 9:17 amThe GA trial will be televised. If only federal trials had to be open.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/12/2023 @ 9:19 amI do think that the argument that Trump would run roughshod over the Constitution is a losing one. This is exactly what his supporters want. If his first act was to intern federal judges appointed by Democrats, there would be such a cheer.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/12/2023 @ 9:29 amFederal trials aan be recorded, and they are often enough put on closed circuit TV to an overflow room,and the recording can legally be released, and parts of it have been, and they can probably legally be released at the end of each day or even on a 7 or 15 second tape delay.
Sammy Finkelman (c803ec) — 11/12/2023 @ 9:45 amAyaan Hirsi Ali: Why I am now a Christian
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/12/2023 @ 9:46 amThe 6th Amendment demands a public trial. Unlike every single right in the Constitution, it is now pretty much as it was in 1791 — public only to those that can fit in a physical courtroom, or perhaps nearby. In trials like Trump’s, those persons will be chosen by the Court. How long can this “public trial” fiction be sustained?
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/12/2023 @ 9:51 amOne is positive and voluntary; the other is negative and involuntary.
But the whole discussion went of course when using TikTok got treated like a character flaw, which possibly it was for Vivek R. What was he saying on TikTok? Who was he aiming at? People who believed disinformation?
I suppose Nikki Haley was not more particular in her complaint about Vivek, because she wants the votes of deluded people also.
Sammy Finkelman (c803ec) — 11/12/2023 @ 9:52 amAye, that’s the rub. Who is Godot-it’s not Manchin, his current support for fossil fuels won’t receive any support along the vote rich coastal corridor between San Francisco to San Diego, and ditto for Paul Ryan’s past support for Social Security privatization and Medicare “reform”. Both policies would be DOA in California.
But any “centrist” needs to qualify for the ballot first. Good luck.
Rip Murdock (4b4c41) — 11/12/2023 @ 10:02 am“Trumpism has really only won one election cycle. Otherwise it has dreadfully underperformed, especially in 2022 when there should have been a red tidal wave rather than the red trickle.”
This can be pinned on “Trumpism” only if you spell it “D O B B S.” But then, I suppose we can blame Trump for giving conservatives exactly what they asked for, for decades. Or, do we blame the Federalist Society, since we don’t want to credit Trump with court picks? The solution from the non-cultists, as anyone who is old enough to remember the GOP before 2016, is to rile up the base with conservative policy proposals and not actually deliver on any of them. Win, by losing. We were to begin to think about possibly maybe moving our embassy in Israel to Jerusalem as Bush put it saliently and forcefully, for example. Maybe Harriet Miers would’ve saved conservatives from Dobbs.
But in other areas non-cultists can count victories in saving conservatives from their principles, such as the complete gutting of voter identification. Polls used to be biased against conservative candidates, now it’s reversed. The voter demographic that has to have their ballot spoon fed to them is also (surprise) the demographic that pretty much has to have everything in life spoon fed to them, and they typically don’t bother with polls but do bother voting D when the ballot and pencil are pushed into their hands. But, this was the price for being rid of Trump, much like the political weaponization of the justice system is now an acceptable price. And now, any R who isn’t polling 5 points ahead of the D is most probably going to lose. But as everyone knows, the mark of a non-cultist is to blame this on Trump and right wing media. And when Trump is long gone and R is still losing elections, and a red wave never ever materializes, there will always be the ghost of Trump to blame.
lloyd (12f2bc) — 11/12/2023 @ 10:13 amElections sometimes turnout the right way, and not because the electorate is different there but because the political environment is different, and they could turn out different in more places if the right people did the right thing.
In Pittsburgh, a normal DA was re-elected.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/pittsburgh-voters-stop-a-soros-backed-prosecutor-candidate-27ef2ac7
What I don’t understand is how, if there was no Republican candidate, they were able to hold a primary. There wouldn’t be one in New York without at least two candidates vying for the spot,or at least one. Otherwise there’s no spot for a write-in.
Something is missing from this story.
The other year the mayor waqs re-elected in Buffalo after losing the Democratic primary,
Sammy Finkelman (c803ec) — 11/12/2023 @ 10:20 amDonald Trump agrees.
The fastest way for this trial to be televised is if Congress passes legislation overruling the federal rule to allow it, which is highly unlikely.
Rip Murdock (8e793c) — 11/12/2023 @ 11:37 amMore:
Rip Murdock (8e793c) — 11/12/2023 @ 11:48 amBari Weiss’s essay, “End DEI”, is insightful. And, like everything else I’ve read by her, it has a clarity that more of us should try to emulate.
Sample: “What I saw [20 years ago as an undergraduate] was a worldview that replaced basic ideas of good and evil with a new rubric: the powerless (good) and the powerful (bad). It replaced lots of things. Colorblindness with race-obsession. Ideas with identity. Debate with denunciation. Persuasion with public shaming. The rule of law with the fury of the mob.”
Judging people by the color of their skin, rather than the content of their character.
Having such heterodox ideas forced her to leave the NYT. In spite of her ticking several “diversity” boxes.
Jim Miller (f497eb) — 11/12/2023 @ 11:56 am@121, Herschel Walker might have been the only Republican who could have lost that Georgia Senate seat. Who endorsed him? Mehmet Oz was beaten by a guy hobbled by a stroke. Who endorsed him over Gulf War veteran and highly successful hedge fund manager David McCormick…because McCormick wouldn’t sufficient kiss Trump’s butt? Kari Lake lost in Arizona? Doug Mastriano lost big in Pennsylvania. Both had primary rivals who weren’t election deniers. Both preached election denialism. Who endorsed both?
Take some freakin’ responsibility…finally.
AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 11/12/2023 @ 12:00 pmThis was Trump’s “emotional frothing” from yesterday.
So many questions.
What does he mean by “root out”? Oxford defines the term as “find and get rid of a harmful or dangerous person or thing,” so how does Trump find and get rid of this “vermin”? “Get rid of” sounds threatening and authoritarian. Does it mean expulsion? Deportation? Jail? Firing? Death penalty?
How does he identify these “Communists, Marxists, Fascists, and Radical Left Thugs”? What legal authority does Trump have to get rid of these identified “vermin” for the “crime” of political differences? Sounds kind of fascist to me.
Trump said that these offending characters–who are apparently more “sinister, dangerous, and grave” than “outside forces” such as Putin, Xi, Kim, Khameini, al Qaeda and the Islamic State–“live like vermin”. Is that how they’re identified? What do they do specifically that is vermin-like that they can be found and got rid of?
Anyhoo, this is the guy who has 58.5% party support for nomination for president. Meantime, Haley is vilified by BuDuh for having a flash of anger at a Trump Mini-Me. But was there any condemnation for his attack? No.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 11/12/2023 @ 12:21 pmSMDH.
Beshear had the “Jerry Brown” advantage-son of a popular governor and a successful first term.
Rip Murdock (8e793c) — 11/12/2023 @ 1:13 pm“this is the guy who has 58.5% party support for nomination for president”
Also SMDH
AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 11/12/2023 @ 2:41 pmIn a bombastic legal filing submitted late Friday to the judge who’s scheduled that trial to begin in March, Trump’s attorneys argued he’s the victim of political persecution by President Joe Biden’s administration and should be allowed to use the platform of TV to showcase the proceedings’ unfairness.
The petition may be bombastic — Trump hires stupid lawyers — but the complaint is not.
The entire point of the 6th Amendment’s public trial requirement is to offer the defendant an open forum. The State, of course, would prefer its prosecutions to be held in camera — what was once called a Star Chamber — so that any unfairness can be kept out of the public eye.
In 1791, when the Amendment was passed, the epitome of a public trial was a open physical courtroom. Also, guns were muskets and the press was hand-pressed broadsheets. Since then the 1st, 2nd, 4th and 5th Amendments have been expanded (and imposed on the states) as have other parts of the 6th. The 8th Amendment has interpretations that might surprise the Founders.
But that open trial is just like it was in 1791 despite about 9 orders of magnitude of expansion of communications.
Trump is right to complain and I hope he wins. Someone will someday soon — it’s a terrible injustice to each and every defendant. A televised trial may be more important than having an attorney in some cases. It might also help the State in other cases.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/12/2023 @ 2:58 pmThe fastest way for this trial to be televised is if Congress passes legislation overruling the federal rule to allow it, which is highly unlikely.
No, the fastest way is for the Supreme Court to expand the right to a public trial. Fixed camera(s) and audio, streamed, would be sufficient. The way that district courts feel free to declare laws invalid nationally, I see no reason why a district court judge couldn’t impose a “constitutional” rule in her own courtroom.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/12/2023 @ 3:05 pmWhat does the prosecutor think about a pool camera stream? Assuming that his case is strong, I think he’d prefer to have the evidence public so that Trump’s paid liars have less wiggle room.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/12/2023 @ 3:08 pmBeshear had the “Jerry Brown” advantage-son of a popular governor and a successful first term.
Brown’s advantages were a heavy registration advantage and a divided opposition (early MAGA types would not vote for Whitman). Those outweighed the family thing. And Pat Brown was defeated for re-election in 1966, so how popular was he?
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/12/2023 @ 3:13 pm@134 are we talking about Brown’s first two terms or second two terms?
SamG (4e6c22) — 11/12/2023 @ 3:56 pmHe hires loyal lawyers.
Sammy Finkelman (c803ec) — 11/12/2023 @ 4:05 pmRepublican Sen. Tim Scott suspends presidential campaign
Rip Murdock (8e793c) — 11/12/2023 @ 6:47 pmTim Scott is suspending his campaign for President.
SamG (4e6c22) — 11/12/2023 @ 6:53 pmshould have refreshed before posting, smh
SamG (4e6c22) — 11/12/2023 @ 6:54 pmPat Brown was running for a third term when he lost. In his first election he won 59-40 and his second term 52-47 (over Nixon). He wore out his welcome when he lost to Reagan in 42-57 in 1966.
Rip Murdock (8e793c) — 11/12/2023 @ 6:56 pmI’ve said that Vivek (Rhymes With Fake) has a freshman-level understanding of foreign policy, but his proposal to cut federal spending is sophomoric. It’s populist twaddle
But Ramaswamy is a Trump Mini Me, the Full-Sized Trump is still worse. Like how Putin portrays the adversaries who resist him as “Nazis”, Trump likens his adversaries as “enemy of the people“…
…”vermin“, which has fascist undertones…
My party’s frontrunner.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 11/12/2023 @ 6:58 pmThe Supreme Court will need a “case or controversy” in order to rule on cameras in courtroom. It won’t rule by fiat.
Rip Murdock (8e793c) — 11/12/2023 @ 7:00 pmPence and Scott should take the next step and endorse Haley.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 11/12/2023 @ 7:02 pmThey may, but their voters aren’t Haley voters. They certainly don’t share Haley’s “position” on abortion. I think they are more likely to support DeSantis (at least in Iowa).
Pence and Scott polling numbers are so small nationally it won’t make much difference in the end. Trump will still be in the high 50s/low 60s nationally.
Rip Murdock (8e793c) — 11/12/2023 @ 7:20 pmAin’t that the truth.
Rip Murdock (8e793c) — 11/12/2023 @ 7:32 pmEvery once in a while there’s a gem in the Disqus commenting dung.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 11/12/2023 @ 7:58 pmIIRC the preferred second option for the non-Trump candidates’ supporters is usually Trump – not another non-Trump option.
SamG (4e6c22) — 11/12/2023 @ 8:06 pmPence and Scott should take the next step and endorse Haley.
Indeed. I cannot see Pence wanted to be Veep again, and I doubt that Scott would want to either. At least not behind Trump.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/12/2023 @ 9:17 pmIIRC the preferred second option for the non-Trump candidates’ supporters is usually Trump – not another non-Trump option.
Not Pence. Probably not Haley or Scott — wrong sex and/or color. Maybe DeSantis. But there must be some who want to win; Trump will be Jacob Marley by the time these trials are over.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/12/2023 @ 9:20 pmWhy not? Scott has consistently defended Trump after every indictment, and has never questioned Trump’s actions. Besides, it will be the closest he gets to the WH now, and a VP Scott may even succeed Trump if he is impeached or become the front runner in 2028.
Strike while the iron is hot.
Rip Murdock (8e793c) — 11/12/2023 @ 10:53 pmAll trump has to say is who wares higher heels Nicky or ron? Besides its hard to run when your more loathsome then even trump.
asset (c08f3c) — 11/13/2023 @ 12:07 am“Why not? Scott has consistently defended Trump after every indictment, and has never questioned Trump’s actions.”
I’m not sure that Scott is a good enough campaigner for what Trump will need. With Kim Reynolds dead to Trump, I still believe that Kristi Noem is the front runner for VP. And though Trump is spiking some interest with blacks and latinos, he is more desperate to have a woman on the ticket….even one scandalously linked to Corey Lewandowski.
And if not Noem, then Kari Lake. Scott can deliver a Pence-like Renfield performance but he lacks that slavish devotion that is required to jump into a barrel and head over Niagra. Lake is made for the barrel. Trump, if convicted, will need someone to make that Pacino Arthur Kirkland “you’re out of order” tear-the-system-apart speech. That’s just not Scott who chose “curtains” to go after Haley. Curtains is a perfect metaphor for Scott’s campaign.
AJ_Liberty (00e434) — 11/13/2023 @ 4:16 am“Vermin” is for the Deplorables. And they each have their own. Black people, brown people, illegal aliens, all aliens, gays, people who drive electric vehicles ….
nk (2c0250) — 11/13/2023 @ 4:58 amhttps://hotair.com/david-strom/2023/11/13/london-has-fallen-n591974
And in the real world unfettered immigration has consequences, namely antisemitism and the open support for the enemies of a nation while citizens are arrested for speaking out against this evil.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/13/2023 @ 5:19 amBritain’s colonial chickens coming home to roost. And at long last, the British can find something decent to eat at home, instead of having to travel around the world.
nk (2c0250) — 11/13/2023 @ 5:34 am“Unfettered immigration”. That’s funny. Particularly in reference to the British. Tell it to Indians. Both kinds.
nk (2c0250) — 11/13/2023 @ 6:21 amApparently the only law Trump still obeys is Poe’s Law.
lurker (cd7cd4) — 11/13/2023 @ 6:36 amI know more than a few dyed-in-the-wool (orange) Trump supporters. When you ask them “Why?, they say: “He gives us what we want.”
His rants may be a garbage heap to us, but to them it’s a treasure trove from which they can glean whatever suits their need or strikes their fancy and leave that which they cannot use.
nk (2c0250) — 11/13/2023 @ 6:59 am#153 “.. . people who drive electric vehicles ….”
Including golf carts?
Jim Miller (be7a38) — 11/13/2023 @ 7:01 amJim, historically, if you look over the last million years, it has been largely true that if you’re a star, they let you drive a golf cart. Not always, but largely true. Fortunately … or unfortunately.
nk (2c0250) — 11/13/2023 @ 7:30 amClearly, few here follow the UFC…VP might already be locked up. Cameron losing in KY may have thrown cold water on a Black running mate.
urbanleftbehind (f2e860) — 11/13/2023 @ 8:22 amRIP: Maryanne Trump Barry, former judge, 86
Maryanne Trump Barry, the older sister of former President Donald Trump and a former federal judge, has died, according to sources. She was 86 years old.
She was discovered in her Fifth Avenue apartment at about 4 a.m., sources told ABC News. There were no signs of trauma or foul play.
Emergency crews responded to a call of a person in cardiac arrest, the sources said.
Barry was a senior judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit until she retired in 2019. She was appointed to the U.S. District Court for the District of New Jersey by then-President Ronald Reagan in 1983 and was then appointed to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit in 1999 by then-President Bill Clinton.
Barry retired amid an investigation into judicial misconduct related to alleged fraudulent tax and financial transactions made by her father and siblings. The investigation was closed without a conclusion when Barry retired in February 2019.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/13/2023 @ 9:09 am“their entire existence will be crushed when President Trump returns to the White House.”
This is the sentiment that animates the core of Trump’s followers. We’ve already seen his plan for concentration camps for millions of undocumented immigrants. It’s not hard to see how this could play out for disloyal residents as well.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/13/2023 @ 9:12 amVP Scott may even succeed Trump if he is impeached or become the front runner in 2028.
One of those things is not like the other thing. Pence did not benefit from being Trump’s VP, why should anyone else think that they will survive Trump’s chaos?
Scott is well-liked. Trump is well-disliked.
Scott has a moral code. Trump is a sociopath.
Scott is a Senator, and can affect things. A VP is a Zeppo.
Only two sitting VPs have won the following election: George Bush and Martin van Buren. It’s not the way to bet, and both followed immensely successful presidents, which Trump is unlikely to be.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/13/2023 @ 9:20 amCameron losing in KY may have thrown cold water on a Black running mate.
Cameron lost because he went full Trump and full-Trump voters are suspicious of Affirmative Action candidates.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/13/2023 @ 9:24 amFlashback August 2020:
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/13/2023 @ 9:30 amAssuming Trump doesn’t serve a full term, whomever is VP will be in the perfect position to succeed him.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/13/2023 @ 9:33 amIt’s called having options.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/13/2023 @ 9:43 amNot being Trump’s VP gives you a lot more options.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/13/2023 @ 9:49 amRIP:
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/13/2023 @ 9:54 amNone of which lead to the White House.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/13/2023 @ 9:56 amNone of which lead to the White House.
Of the people now contending for the WH, none were Trump’s VP. Sure, Trump, but that’s a failure in process.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/13/2023 @ 10:16 amAlso, it now looks like Scott will not be “in the race through SC” as some had predicted.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/13/2023 @ 10:18 amI do hope that Trump is not the nominee-apparent when New Mexico holds its primary on Stupid Tuesday (June 4).
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/13/2023 @ 10:58 am“None of which lead to the White House.”
I’ve never thought of Scott as having a compelling case for being President. He has an inspiring personal story, but no actual executive experience. I’m sure he’s gained some expertise on foreign affairs and defense by serving in Congress, but it isn’t especially evident in these debates. He should target a governorship or working in a GOP cabinet before attempting another run. I’m with Kevin that serving in a Trump cabinet or on a Trump ticket will just tarnish his image. Trump is a disaster waiting to happen if he wins the lottery and gets back in office. Trump operates by tarnishing everyone around him. Haley was a rare exception to get out without being slimed. The list of those who were slimed and who do not support Trump any longer is impressive. When you lose Bill Barr, that’s saying something.
AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 11/13/2023 @ 11:23 amEven his campaign was surprised he quit.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/13/2023 @ 11:29 amAs I said in the past, South Carolinian voters like Tim Scott (72% approval in South Carolina), they just didn’t want him to be president (RCP average 7.8%).
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/13/2023 @ 11:53 amHe probably will be.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/13/2023 @ 11:54 amShe was commenting here on his base, not on Donald Trump.
Donald Trump. she said had no principles. (that’s why, for instance, he reversed himself on immigration from 2012 to 2015)
He did it to cultivate a base.
But his base was supposedly religious (you know, anti-abortion) so she couldn’t understand how they could also be for immigration enforcement to the point of separating children from parents. (and you could give other reasons)
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 11/13/2023 @ 12:29 pmIt wasn’t the only cable news network. Now the thing is, some people watched it, but not everyone. It made people feel informed.
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 11/13/2023 @ 12:33 pmNikki Haley also has sort of reversed herself, but tries to rationalize it as not really being cruel, pr that other values override it or something – what she is proposing only sounds harsh. she sasy/
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/23/us/nikki-haley-donald-trump-un-ambassador.html
It’s actually in most cases, do it illegally, or not do it at all. The law is designed to prohibit. They can’t acknowledge that. It’s based on the notion that keeping some people poor, keeps others middle class. Contrary to free market principles. (They don’t go into loyalty and such things except in passing.)
The article says further:
But as Donald Trump’s sister said, that doesn’t seem to be consistent with do unto others and so on. So why does this make political sense??
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 11/13/2023 @ 12:50 pm@179
Yeah, I understand where they’re coming from…
But, that right there isn’t going to help with deflecting any current/future criticisms.
whembly (5f7596) — 11/13/2023 @ 1:00 pmNikki Haley distinguishes between people working and people not working. but this would not satisfy the restrictionists, who find anything they could possibly do problematical – and imports as well.
. Has she forgotten that one feature of immigration law, since 1986, has been to prohibit employment? She’s just trying to avoid disagreeing with anyone. Including people who want more immigration:
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 11/13/2023 @ 1:05 pmWhats the big deal a lot of people consider trump vermin? Anybody here think trump will exterminate his enemies?
asset (2da2d3) — 11/13/2023 @ 1:31 pmHe probably will be.
I will still vote against him. Again.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/13/2023 @ 1:31 pmthey also have what the court calls a “duty to sit” if at all possible.
So, while a district court judge might recuse in a case involving a company they own piddling shares in, a justice would have to hold (and not want to sell) a significant holding. Not sure where that line is; more than $1000, less than $100K?
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/13/2023 @ 1:35 pmPence hasn’t endorsed anyone yet, but Scott has said he is not endorsing anyone.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/13/2023 @ 1:36 pmAnybody here think trump will exterminate his enemies?
Maybe he just asks who will rid him of _______
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/13/2023 @ 1:37 pmScott has said he is not endorsing anyone.
For now. But I’d bet he’d like to be Secretary of Education.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/13/2023 @ 1:39 pmBut, that right there isn’t going to help with deflecting any current/future criticisms.
Like suing, anyone can criticize. Do you think that Pro Publica cares what the rules are?
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/13/2023 @ 1:41 pmIt’s actually in most cases, do it illegally, or not do it at all.
These days, that’s an AND, not an OR. A friend of mine, who works for the US government, has been trying for the better part of a decade to get her Canadian husband admitted as a legal resident. It takes years now to get a hearing and their last hearing was cancelled due to Covid.
It seems to me that the resources should be aimed at those legally immigrating, but that appears to be “wishcasting.”
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/13/2023 @ 1:44 pmTo be clear, I said that Pence and Scott should endorse Haley. I make no predictions about what they’ll actually do, or not do.
Burgum and Hutchinson and Christie might as well do the same and suspend their campaigns.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 11/13/2023 @ 2:22 pmSooner or later, Speaker Mike Johnson will face a motion to vacate:
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/13/2023 @ 2:53 pmOuch!
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/13/2023 @ 3:03 pmIt’s not like the GOP has a majority — it’s a coalition government with MAGA.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/13/2023 @ 3:49 pmOuch!
Well, it wasn’t as bad as Senator Thompson’s 2008 campaign.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/13/2023 @ 3:51 pmIt’s not like the GOP has a majority — it’s a coalition government with MAGA.
Good one!
nk (0949b8) — 11/13/2023 @ 3:56 pmThat may be, but it’s the House Republican Conference’s problem to solve. As we saw with the last Speaker, passing a clean CR with Democratic support is no way to guarantee that a Speaker will be around for long.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/13/2023 @ 4:03 pmActually, the Scott campaign was much worse. Thompson actually ran in five primaries or caucuses won 11 delegates.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/13/2023 @ 4:07 pmI wonder what enforcement of the SCOTUS code of conduct will be, or who will do so. And why no financial disclosure required?
SamG (4e6c22) — 11/13/2023 @ 4:49 pmIf you’ve seen the plan, please share it with the rest of us.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/13/2023 @ 5:15 pmThe Justices already comply with the financial disclosure requirements in the Ethics in Government Act.
Source
Enforcement, however, is a good question.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/13/2023 @ 5:24 pm“We’ve already seen his plan for concentration camps for millions of undocumented immigrants. It’s not hard to see how this could play out for disloyal residents as well.”
You’ve seen a story based on anonymous and unofficial sources interpreted by media outlets that have lied about Trump as easily as breathing air. Trump has said nothing about this. Not that there’s anything wrong with applying the rule of law to the border mess and those here illegally. It’s just that the self anointed Rule of Law arbiters don’t like it. No one is above the law, except those here illegally, and we know why.
And those who would classify these as “concentration camps” are easy to identify. They’re the folks waving Israeli or Ukrainian flags, cheering border policies 1000 times more restrictive than ours.
lloyd (2e8ce4) — 11/13/2023 @ 5:51 pmillegal aliens*
NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/13/2023 @ 7:14 pmwords matter
NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/13/2023 @ 7:14 pmhttps://freebeacon.com/national-security/biden-mulls-approval-of-fresh-10-billion-payment-to-iran/
Biden, like his leftist predecessor Obama, certainly loves him some Iran, the leading terrorist state in the world.
But that’s okay, because mean tweets or murdering your own baby or something.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/13/2023 @ 7:17 pmhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12744497/Bidens-migrant-crisis-cost-taxpayers-451-BILLION-Republican-healthcare-accommodation-Mayorkas-impeachment.html
Half a trillion dollars. And that’s the bare minimum that the government will admit that illegal aliens are costing American taxpayers. But continue to support business as usual because you think you’ll be dead before the shell game collapses.
Future generations will curse the leaders of this one for what they have done to the nation.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/13/2023 @ 7:22 pm@208 Biden doesn’t want a war with Iran and it wouldn’t take much to be in one. You ok with gas at $10 dollars or more a gallon? The pictures of the premature palestinian babies huddled together for warmth as they take the cold dead ones awayat the gaza hospital is not helping. If Its not a propaganda ploy and Israel has pictures of the beheaded babies at the kibbutz they better show them like now!
asset (79dd93) — 11/13/2023 @ 7:34 pm@209 future generations will be to busy dealing with the effects of methane frozen at the bottom of the ocean slowly melting thanks to climate change and bubbling to the surface.
asset (79dd93) — 11/13/2023 @ 7:37 pmWhy is 58.5% of my party supporting a fascist for GOP standard-bearer?
Trump: “We pledge to you that we will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country, that lie and steal and cheat on elections.”
Hitler: “Should I not also have the right to eliminate millions of an inferior race that multiplies like vermin?”
Trump: “…we pledge to you that we will root out the Communists, Marxists, Fascists, and Radical Left Thugs…”
Hitler: “We must first root out the causes which led to our collapse and we must eliminate all those who are profiting by that collapse.”
Trump: “The threat from outside forces is far less sinister, dangerous, and grave, than the threat from within.”
Hitler: “But we can see already how our racial peoples which are today still hostile to us will one day recognize the greater inner enemy.”
Trump: “It’s poisoning the blood of our country. It’s so bad, and people are coming in with disease. People are coming in with every possible thing that you could have.”
Hitler: “All the great civilizations of the past became decadent because the originally creative race died out, as a result of contamination of the blood. And so this poison was allowed to enter the national bloodstream and infect public life without the Government taking any effectual measures to master the course of the disease.”
This isn’t about comparing Trump to Hitler, it’s to point out that Trump is a fascist, enabled by his own staff…
Wake up, America.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 11/13/2023 @ 9:18 pmMore about Trump’s fascism and his fascist enablers, from AllahNick.
This is right-wing, not conservative.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 11/14/2023 @ 6:36 am@212 “Why is 58.5% of my party supporting a fascist for GOP standard-bearer?”
MAGA = swastika isn’t very original, and isn’t making the statement you think it’s making. We’ve seen Star of David = swastika here and here and here. What other leftist tropes inspire you?
lloyd (e10c03) — 11/14/2023 @ 6:59 amImmigration needs be addressed by Congress if we want real lasting change. The last time there were discussions on how to overhaul immigration were in 2013: the Senate passed a bill, and the GOP House never took it up.
Probably a good time to remind all that the GOP has controlled the House for 20 of the last 30 years: in that time they’ve shut down the government 5 times, forced out their own Speaker 3 times, almost caused a debt default 2 times (at minimum), and only cut spending for 2 of those 20 years.
Sam G (8d2ed1) — 11/14/2023 @ 7:08 amCute, that calling out Trump’s fascist tropes is somehow “leftist”.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 11/14/2023 @ 7:09 amhttps://spectator.org/how-george-floyd-actually-died/
That caught my eyes…
I had a friend’s brother who later was found to have a catecholamine crisis and died in the emergency room. I don’t recall his tumor was “paraganglioma” specifically, but I remember the ‘tumor’ when it was discovered, and by everyone’s reaction…that explained it. The staff knew what happened after administering a dose of adrenaline when his blood pressure tanked, instead of stabilizing as expected.
To my knowledge, those officers are SOL now, as no one is going to go back to court for this.
whembly (5f7596) — 11/14/2023 @ 8:30 amThe ME testified under oath that Floyd’s death was a homicide. Of course there were contributing factors, but it was Chauvin’s act that ended his life.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 11/14/2023 @ 8:43 amPaul, please define ‘homicide’ and get back to me.
Narrator: No one is saying it wasn’t homicide.
whembly (5f7596) — 11/14/2023 @ 8:48 amHillary was on the View. Her rants sounded familiar. Wonder why.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/14/2023 @ 8:51 amWhemby,
that trial was a sham and it was no different than mob justice. They had a preordained conclusion and refused to let facts get in the way.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/14/2023 @ 8:52 amThe jury instructions make clear that if Chauvin’s acts were a substantial causal factor he can be found guilty.
Did the officers have access to the autopsy results for the trial and was this information in there? If so nothing prevented them from raising it as a defense.
Also, it would be an amazing coincidence if this medical condition just happened to kill him at that exact moment….
Time123 (b9890b) — 11/14/2023 @ 9:05 amsorry I forgot to close my tag on the jury instructions.
Time123 (b9890b) — 11/14/2023 @ 9:05 am@220, Why are you watching the View? At it’s peak it was a pointless waste of time…and it’s a long way from those glory days. Did you lose a bet or feel the need to torture yourself as some sort of atonement? 🙂
Time123 (b9890b) — 11/14/2023 @ 9:13 amWhy does Paul watch Trump rallies, Time?
BuDuh (ce9621) — 11/14/2023 @ 9:17 amCNN:
Tell me again how this is all from anonymous sources. Stephen Miller and Donald Trump are both advocating this. It’s what his supporters want.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/14/2023 @ 9:22 amNYT:
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/14/2023 @ 9:26 amNow, I know that to some CNN and the NYT don’t have the authority of Newsmax or The Epoch Times, but Trump is not denying any of this.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/14/2023 @ 9:27 amOne, no, I won’t do a simple task you can do yourself.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 11/14/2023 @ 9:28 amTwo, your own Jack Cashill denied it was a homicide.
Let’s get physical:
Ouch! Burchett is one of eight Republicans who voted to oust McCarthy from the House Speakership.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/14/2023 @ 9:29 amPaul, please define ‘homicide’ and get back to me.
“Death at the hands of another” as distinguished from “Natural cause”, “Accidental death”, “Suicide” or perhaps “Death by misadventure.”
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/14/2023 @ 9:31 amDo I? News to me.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 11/14/2023 @ 9:33 amBurchett is one of eight Republicans who voted to oust McCarthy from the House Speakership.
And unlike some, did not even get his 15 minutes of fame. So, he tries again.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/14/2023 @ 9:33 amIs Bakersfield Southern California or Central Valley?
urbanleftbehind (e25c3f) — 11/14/2023 @ 9:44 amThe eight Republicans that voted to refer the impeachment resolution to the Homeland Security Committee were Cliff Bentz (OR); Ken Buck (CO); John Duarte (CA); Virginia Foxx (NC); Darrell Issa (CA); Tom McClintock (CA); Patrick McHenry (NC); and Michael Turner (OH).
Related:
MTG, keeping it classy.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/14/2023 @ 9:52 amSouth San Joaquin Valley, a couple of hours from Los Angeles.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/14/2023 @ 9:53 amIt’s Central Valley.
SamG (03d742) — 11/14/2023 @ 9:59 amKevin,
what you’ve quoted says he’s deporting illegal aliens which is the obligation of the federal government. What you accused him of was creating “concentration camps.”
Do you know the difference?
NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/14/2023 @ 10:18 amIs Bakersfield Southern California or Central Valley?
There are two definitions of SoCal. One is defined by the straight line formed by the top borders of San Luis Obispo, Kern and San Bernardino counties. This is the definition that Wikipedia uses. Another excludes SLO and Kern.
Bakersfield is in Kern county.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/14/2023 @ 10:51 amwhat you’ve quoted says he’s deporting illegal aliens which is the obligation of the federal government. What you accused him of was creating “concentration camps.”
Do you?
A “concentration camp” is where a government concentrates certain residents for purposes of holding them en masse. Not to be confused with “death camps” or “slave labor camps” although the term is sometimes misused. The WW2 Japanese-American internment camps were concentration camps.
Don’t like the term? Think it’s pejorative? Tough. DO you have a touchy-feely term you’d prefer?
Note that, given Trump’s claim that the children of ilelgals are not citizens, regardless of being born here, these camps would likely contain people that the Constitution considers American citizens.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/14/2023 @ 10:56 am@229 Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 11/14/2023 @ 9:28 am
I wasn’t referring to the author.
But, hey, people don’t lie on the stand, ever.
That’s your position and you’re sticking with it.
My sweet, sweet summer child…bless your heart.
whembly (5f7596) — 11/14/2023 @ 11:12 am@235
She’s a clown.
I actually think eight Republicans, for whatever reason, is getting this right.
MGT’s bill is designed to immediately send to floor the vote to impeach Mayorkas, which is unprecedented.
What happens now, as it should, is that the committed that oversees the DHS dept is going to conduct hearings and then vote out of conference whether or not an impeachment vote should be sent to the floor.
In short, the committee needs to build up a report justifying Mayorkas’ impeachment.
If GOP is going to go through with impeachment, then they need to conduct it with the seriousness it deserves.
MGT’s bill ain’t that.
whembly (5f7596) — 11/14/2023 @ 11:17 amMTG, keeping it classy.
She is a twit, but there are twits on both extremes. She just makes it so easy to spot.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/14/2023 @ 11:18 amI actually think eight Republicans, for whatever reason, is getting this right.
Tom McClintock gets it right a lot.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/14/2023 @ 11:19 am@240
I’m fine with it.
I’m also fine, if at later point it was discovered one of the family member was born here, and as such is a citizen to stay here.
But, something’s gotta give, and frankly if the government doesn’t take other drastic efforts to get a handle on illegal immigration, I’m worried it’d get even worst.
Hypothetically, hear me out, lets say some extremist Islamist unhappy with US’ support snuck across the southern border and conducts operations in the US that’s similar to what Hamas did on Oct 7th.
What’s your reaction?
What’s the public’s likely reaction, particularly to border policies?
My mind is going to very dark places… and I don’t like it.
whembly (5f7596) — 11/14/2023 @ 11:21 amI think of Congress as I do any large group. There’s a bell curve (or rather two bell curves with a gap in between). There are always the 2-sigma outliers and MTG and few others are on the GOP side. There are also those on the Left.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/14/2023 @ 11:22 amMy mind is going to very dark places… and I don’t like it.
The problem that I see is that Trump’s mind is going to very dark places and he and many of his followers DO like it.
I also know that when you let a problem fester long enough it becomes very hard to solve, and your two choices become drastic action or give up. The immigration problem is compounded by the incumbent law being wholly asinine. The way to deal with asinine laws is to enforce them rigorously until the legislature takes action.
Now we are at a fork in the road and we have to take it, to paraphrase Yogi Berra.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/14/2023 @ 11:27 amhttps://homeland.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/Phase4Report.pdf
THIS… is what the GOP committees ought to use to build their profile as to why Mayorkas deserves impeachment.
THIS… is a start.
The cost to illegal immigration is approximated to $150 billion dollars a year. A year.
That’s not nothing.
~166,000,000 US citizens filed taxes per year, which works out to costing each tax payers ~$900 averaged out.
Again… every year.
Unless something changes.
whembly (5f7596) — 11/14/2023 @ 11:30 amProve the lie. What I’m sticking to is the medical expert who examined Floyd’s dead corpse right after he became a dead corpse, and then testified under the threat of felony perjury that Chauvin caused his death.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 11/14/2023 @ 11:34 am@247
That’s why I’m fine with Abbott and DeSantis sending illegals to New York or Martha’s Vinyard.
Those places, who actively works against sound immigration policies, but rarely face any consequences, needs to feel the pain that the border states feel.
Hopefully, then, there’s enough widespread pressure in Congress to address this crisis.
Otherwise, my fears are that something heinous happens due to the open border policies, such that enough people support government officials doing heinous things.
…and I honestly don’t think its going to be a 2nd Trump administration. A 2nd Trump administration would pale in comparison to some future politician who convinces that he/she has what it’d take to drastically cull the illegal immigration issue.
Best things to do, is to dissuade economic migrates from illegally entering the country somehow.
Ideally, the best method is to attack the incentives (or promote disincentives) in such a way that the illegals self-deports.
whembly (5f7596) — 11/14/2023 @ 11:41 am@249 Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 11/14/2023 @ 11:34 am
whembly (5f7596) — 11/14/2023 @ 11:42 amTell me that you didn’t read the article without telling me.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-officials-rebel-president-israel-hamas-war-sign-dissent-letter
You know that I despises the Biden Administration.
But, Biden, as POTUS, need to fire every single employees who signed this and have their security clearance (if any) revoked.
Nobody voted for them.
The gall of bureaucrats publicly protesting (even anonymously) policies set by an elected official.
whembly (5f7596) — 11/14/2023 @ 12:05 pmThis is just another story about the sorry state of our immigration policy and enforcement, where an illegal immigrant (and MAGA nutjob) broke into a Bay Area home and clubbed the American occupant in the head, almost killing him.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 11/14/2023 @ 12:08 pmThis one hits closer to home…a stellar reporting from HotAir:
https://hotair.com/tree-hugging-sister/2023/11/14/report-out-on-former-st-louis-circuit-attorney-kim-gardner-is-as-bad-as-youd-imagine-n592368
These “George Soros” Democratic Attorney Generals has done far more damage to this country than most people understands.
Also, the State AG for Missouri… watch out, that dude is going to have a hella political future if he wants it.
whembly (5f7596) — 11/14/2023 @ 12:29 pmCashill had his own preconceived notions, obviously. Quote:
The ME also testified under oath that he was not pressured in coming to his conclusion.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 11/14/2023 @ 12:30 pmI saw the unedited 10-minute video of Floyd’s death (Cashill said he saw an edited version) a day or two after it happened, and I don’t like it when partisans tell me to not believe what I saw with my own eyes.
The autopsy concluded this…
@255 Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 11/14/2023 @ 12:30 pm
whembly (5f7596) — 11/14/2023 @ 12:52 pmGood for you Paul, now go back to my original post and noticed what I bolded that “caught my eyes”.
But, Biden, as POTUS, need to fire every single employees who signed this and have their security clearance (if any) revoked.
Civil Service protections are such that firing anyone below the top political appointees is very hard. One of Trump’s proposed reforms (which came so late in 2020 as to be meaningless) is to move the “political appointee” floor down a bit as many of those high-level “civil servants” are actually quite political (and hew to the Left).
The old Spoils System had many flaws, but one of the good things was that the administration could not avoid responsibility. Allowing more of a Spoils system on top of the Civil Service would allow more Presidential control and less low-level RFing of presidential directives.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/14/2023 @ 1:04 pmI still argue that the Civil Service protections are only there by the will of the Presidency.
POTUS, imo, has the right to fire anyone for any reason and if the former employee wants to take him to court… I don’t see how SCOTUS can disagree because it’s basic separation of powers principles.
whembly (5f7596) — 11/14/2023 @ 1:33 pmTrump asks his supporters to make citizens arrest on leita james. (DU)
asset (130d8d) — 11/14/2023 @ 1:35 pmBut to your point of Civil Service protections… I thought it was a congressional act to protect agency workers from discrimination and from whistleblower retaliation.
If these workers refuses to act upon a policy directive, to me, that’s a fireable conduct.
whembly (5f7596) — 11/14/2023 @ 1:37 pmCivil Service has been part of federal law since 1883, and amended in 1978. See 5 CFR Chapter 1 and its various subchapters for the Civil Service regulations.
Government employees (aka bureaucrats) do not give up their freedom of speech when the join the federal civil service, with the main exception of partisan political activities.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/14/2023 @ 2:05 pmIn fact, since the Vietnam War the State Department has a formal process for diplomats to protest an Administration’s policies.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/14/2023 @ 2:09 pmOn an unrelated note: Nikki Haley saying she wants social media companies to hand over their algorithms to the government, and to have every social media user verify their real names.
Sam G (8d2ed1) — 11/14/2023 @ 2:30 pm@261
Hmmmm, but they don’t get to undermine the Office of Presidency whilst working within the Executive Branch. IMO, that’s a fireable offense.
If the policies are that objectionable, you either do it in your own private time, or resign in protest.
whembly (5f7596) — 11/14/2023 @ 2:43 pm@263
I saw that, and initially I thought the story was unfairly misinterpreting her. But, nope… she said that.
Is she trying to tank her electoral chances now?
whembly (5f7596) — 11/14/2023 @ 2:44 pmUnsurprising:
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/14/2023 @ 2:44 pm@266 Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/14/2023 @ 2:44 pm
The Judge got it right.
Trump needs to be defeated on merits, not via legal shenanigans.
whembly (5f7596) — 11/14/2023 @ 2:48 pmI agree if someone takes active steps to thwart a presidential policy they should be terminated or they should resign. But since the 500+ signers are anonymous (as were the organizers) it would be futile effort (and a waste of time and money) to track down the signers.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/14/2023 @ 2:57 pm@268 Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/14/2023 @ 2:57 pm
Then, they should be put on notice that if they were ever found out and, they will be terminated.
Frankly, I have a hard time believing the government couldn’t find them.
There are proper channels in voicing disagreements. Doing so, publicly under the auspice of your office isn’t that.
whembly (5f7596) — 11/14/2023 @ 3:01 pmDemocrats bail out another Republican Speaker:
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/14/2023 @ 3:03 pmIf the government can’t find out who leaked the Dobbs opinion, then what makes one think they can find anyone?
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/14/2023 @ 3:05 pmDo you have an easy time believing the government could not find who leaked the Dobbs opinion?
BuDuh (ce9621) — 11/14/2023 @ 3:25 pm268 The VP and her spouse asked the people who they met with about that anti-Hamas war policy if any of them had received pressure from family or friends to resign over that policy and a majority raised their hands.
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 11/14/2023 @ 3:43 pmwhembly (5f7596) — 11/14/2023 @ 2:44 pm
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 11/14/2023 @ 3:47 pmwhembly (5f7596) — 11/14/2023 @ 11:41 am
You could get people supported by Bannon and Miller who would, but they are not likely to get elected.
Shouldn’t you first want to make sure that your economic theory is correct?
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/13/opinion/columnists/trump-immigrants.html
It doesn’t havethatmany eople who attended failing public schools
Somebody is feeding Trump these ambiguous lines. He may not even know what was said in German or what it meant.
So far, Krugman has discussed the sociological issue/He now reports Trump’s one liners.
This is of course, designed to elicit opposition to seemingly reasonable proposals.
Now Krugman goes into the economics -one of the few places you see an argument:
The counterargument by the restrictionists is that amounts to replacing the population. So that argument that the Social Security program, being something of a Ponzi scheme, needs an increasing population to pay promised benefits, or that more caregivers are needed, is not often raised.
Continuing with Krugman:
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 11/14/2023 @ 4:04 pmThe Hamas story from last week in the NYT:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/08/world/middleeast/hamas-israel-gaza-war.html
Hamas wanted the attack by Israel.
This could only make sense for Iran. And it doesn’t make too much sense for Iran, unless they are relying on spies who tell them what the United States will not do.
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 11/14/2023 @ 4:14 pmSFL
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/13/2023 @ 1:44 pm
Why dies he need a hearing? I would think all he would need is a visa.. Is there some other complication?
US immigration law isn’t rational, and most proposals are to make it more irrational.
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 11/14/2023 @ 4:17 pmWill the capture of al Shifa hospital by the Israelis end the Gaza war?
Probably not immediately. The capture of Richmond did not end the US Civil War, and the capture of Berlin did not end war in Europe in 1945
Besides Hamas has one thing it can do in desperation: Release some of the hostages in exchange both for some prisoners and maybe a 3 day or 5-day ceasefire.
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 11/14/2023 @ 4:21 pmPot Calling Kettle Black:
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/14/2023 @ 4:27 pmal shifa hospital no gunfire yet in room where premature babies are lying ;but gunfire can be heard from the room.
asset (5f4b57) — 11/14/2023 @ 4:31 pmHamas basically admitted to killing one hostage They released a video of a female soldier talking, which then cut to her dead body.
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 11/14/2023 @ 4:33 pmBest things to do, is to dissuade economic migrates from illegally entering the country somehow.
Ideally, the best method is to attack the incentives (or promote disincentives) in such a way that the illegals self-deports.
I think you totally miss the point. It is the economic migrant — the person seeking to be a productive member of society through hard work — that we should encourage. As it stands we offer them NO WAY to immigrate, putting nearly every other type of migrant ahead of them in the line, then imposing a (small) overall limit.
My rule would be this:
1. Two-thirds of all immigrants must be from Mexico and Central America.
2. Only able-bodied people between 18 and 35 and their children may apply.
3. Each family mush have a adult member with a marketable skill.
4. All adults must pay an entrance fee and register for the draft.
5. Everyone must learn English within 5 years.
As for those here unlawfully? Are they self-supporting and law-abiding? If not, deport them. If they are, well maybe.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/14/2023 @ 5:35 pmNikki Haley saying she wants social media companies to hand over their algorithms to the government, and to have every social media user verify their real names.
There would be a lot fewer trolls.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/14/2023 @ 5:37 pmNikki Haley saying she wants social media companies to hand over their algorithms to the government
I think she’s talking about enforcing a transparency of censorship decisions. Could not hurt. Many people have been barred from this or that for no discernible reason.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/14/2023 @ 5:39 pmIF you work for the federal government, and you don’t show up for work, how long can you still collect a paycheck? Answer: several months. If so, how easy do you think it is to fire someone for a less obvious cause?
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/14/2023 @ 5:42 pmSee here: https://www.govexec.com/feature/firing-line/
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/14/2023 @ 5:43 pmSuckling murderous dictators teets is in en vogue again.
BuDuh (ce9621) — 11/14/2023 @ 5:55 pmMinus “in.”
BuDuh (ce9621) — 11/14/2023 @ 5:56 pm@287 as deep throat said in watergate follow the money. Only left democrats can fund raise off small donations and AOC beat crowley while she was out spent 18 to 1. Bowman did the same to eliot engle in 2020. The base wants biden to retire what small donors is going to send him any money? Only corporations beholding to china will donate to corporate establishment stooges like biden and newsom.
asset (5f4b57) — 11/14/2023 @ 8:50 pmGovernment official polite during international visit! Scandal!
Nic (896fdf) — 11/14/2023 @ 9:14 pmBiden Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen applauds as China’s Xi Jinping arrives in San Francisco
Golden Rule. He has more of our money than she does.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/14/2023 @ 9:20 pmChina is the source of all the fentanyl precursors sent into Mexico, and Xi is well aware of that fact. Newsom decided to move all the fentanyl detritus in SF away so Xi would not see it. Great work. Lets not offend Xi by letting him know we see and know his work product
steveg (09eac6) — 11/14/2023 @ 9:21 pmIf I was Xi, I’d be telling my intelligence people to fund Newsom for President. Biden operating at current capacity is light years ahead of Newsom, and Newsom should be operating at peak capacity at this point in his life. Newsom has failed steadily up. Newsom was a dud at Mayor of SF and before that was a dud on the SF Parking and Traffic Commission. He is less accomplished than John Edwards was. A race between Trump and Newsom would be buffoon vs. buffoon with Trump arguably being the most accomplished of the two, may god have mercy on our souls
steveg (09eac6) — 11/14/2023 @ 9:30 pm@steveg There are only very limited circumstances where you can get anything done diplomatically by being undiplomatic. It is generally considered far more effective to cover your iron fist in a velvet glove.
(as an aside, there are Democrats who spend their time saying that every single Republican is The Worst, whichever one we are talking about at the moment, or who seems most influential, is The Worst. It’s very hard to take them seriously in their proclamation of who is The Worst because they don’t have a willingness to see any differences in people who have an R next to their names. It’s not any better when Republicans are the ones doing it.)
Nic (896fdf) — 11/14/2023 @ 10:01 pm@294 lately establishment democrats like mccain (probably because he is no longer with us) and say romney is no longer hitler. They don’t believe in anything so political attacks which don’t offend their wealthy donor class.
asset (5f4b57) — 11/14/2023 @ 10:47 pm@asset There are people who disagree with each other but who are still decent people.
Nic (896fdf) — 11/14/2023 @ 11:17 pm@296 there are ;but much of the time their effect is not enough and the damaged caused by those who’s motto is no good deed goes unpunished is vast. All that is necessary for evil to prevail is people of good will to do nothing. The job of the un-decent is to stop the decent from doing anything.
asset (5f4b57) — 11/15/2023 @ 2:43 amIt makes me wonder how many other journalists besides Hupert Seipel have been bought off by Putin. Vatnik Soup has a new entry on him. Some excerpts below.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 11/15/2023 @ 4:33 amPutin had a lot of people fooled, but not McCain or Romney.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 11/15/2023 @ 6:52 am@299, Unfortunately, Bush’s 2007 actions don’t excuse those on the Right currently cozying up to Putin or praising authoritarians. It might be instructive to read what Bush said about Putin post-Georgia, post-Crimea, and post-Ukraine proper. I doubt that he would continue to entertain Putin now that his empire designs are clear. Would Trump or Carlson rule out socializing with Putin? That’s not as clear to me.
AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 11/15/2023 @ 7:28 amJumping back to Haley and her wanting verification of identity for social media, I’ll quote Yashar Ali:
I’ll also ask a question here: would that apply only to American citizens using social media, or every user of a social media network that operates in the US? If that is the policy, and we can’t trust international identification (see above) – then does that mean that social media companies in the US would have to restrict their usage to only US citizens/residents? What negative effects will that have economically/socially/etc…?
Sam G (8d2ed1) — 11/15/2023 @ 8:13 amHaley’s brave plan is only being attacked because she is a girl.
BuDuh (ce9621) — 11/15/2023 @ 8:23 amthere are Democrats who spend their time saying that every single Republican is The Worst
I’ve been hearing that about Nikki of late. Still, Trump is the gold standard of Hitlers.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/15/2023 @ 8:39 am@298: “The Triumph of the Will, Part II”
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/15/2023 @ 8:41 amPutin had a lot of people fooled, but not McCain or Romney.
And if you point at W, you have to mention Obama, who said that “the 80’s wanted their foreign policy back.”
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/15/2023 @ 8:42 amdoes that mean that social media companies in the US would have to restrict their usage to only US citizens/residents?
No, of course not. But a little flag on each handle would mean a lot.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/15/2023 @ 8:43 amBTW, have you noticed that your Google (or Bing) searches are not as precise as you’d like? That may be “AI” helping you and deciding what you really mean.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/15/2023 @ 8:46 amDepends on how the law is written, assuming that requires a law and cannot be implemented via executive order.
Sam G (8d2ed1) — 11/15/2023 @ 8:46 amConsidering these are private companies, I really don’t care how they decide to weight results in their algorithms. If I don’t like it: there’s other search engines, use those.
Sam G (8d2ed1) — 11/15/2023 @ 8:48 amIf everything Trump does is right, everything everybody else does is wrong. He is the MA and the GA, the Fifth and the Avenue, the Kari and the Lake. Cult!
nk (0ecf05) — 11/15/2023 @ 8:53 amNic What was undiplomatic in those two posts?
steveg (02aef9) — 11/15/2023 @ 9:09 amYou don’t have to say a word. Leave the addicts out in plain sight so Xi can enjoy the fruits of his policy
Considering these are private companies,
These are companies who sell access to the public and the public has a right to see that they are treated fairly. You could just as well say that car companies are private, so their internal memos about known defects should be off-limits to crash victims.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/15/2023 @ 9:46 amTrump is still the overwhelming leader, polling +35 over Haley; +40 over Christie; and +42 over DeSantis.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/15/2023 @ 9:48 amConsidering these are private companies, I really don’t care how they decide to weight results in their algorithms. If I don’t like it: there’s other search engines, use those.
You miss the point. My complaint is that “AI” isn’t useful and it just smears all searches towards what the average person who uses most of the words is searching for. It’s not that it bends the search towards some ideology, but that in bends the search towards the mundane.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/15/2023 @ 9:49 amTrump is still the overwhelming leader
However, every general election poll shows that Trump is the weakest of the 3.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/15/2023 @ 9:51 amAccess to search engines is not sold: you pay nothing to use them, and decisions on the algorithm’s function are not “defects” in the manner of mechanical issues in a vehicle. These are not comparable.
Sam G (8d2ed1) — 11/15/2023 @ 9:56 amApparently that doesn’t make any difference to Republican voters. The current RCP national average has Trump at +43 over DeSantis and +49 over Haley.
And DeSantis polls worse against Biden (Biden +4) than Trump or Haley. Trump and Biden are essentially tied: and Haley is +3, though there are few polls measuring Haley v. Biden. But these polls are sort of meaningless for an election that won’t occur for 356 days.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/15/2023 @ 10:05 amBut these polls are sort of meaningless for an election that won’t occur for 356 days.
Oh, pick a side, man.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/15/2023 @ 10:24 amKevin M (ed969f) — 11/15/2023 @ 9:49 am
Toward what is already generally known. So it becomes a closed loop, a bubble.
Sammy Finkelman (036b5c) — 11/15/2023 @ 11:07 amalthough they claimed, for the record, and as a legal defense, that she was killed by an Israeli airstrike,
Sammy Finkelman (036b5c) — 11/15/2023 @ 11:15 amToward what is already generally known. So it becomes a closed loop, a bubble.
Towards things that don’t require searching for, mostly.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/15/2023 @ 11:18 amIt appears the the GM-UAW contract is going down to defeat. Older workers are unhappy that younger workers got more from ending the 2-tier wage system.
Damn boomers.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/15/2023 @ 11:20 amRoasted:
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/15/2023 @ 11:44 amHome for the holidays:
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/15/2023 @ 11:55 amjournalist Glenn Greenwald wrote.
Everything in front of those words is always wrong. It’s like taking investment advice from Cathy Woods.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/15/2023 @ 11:59 amOther ((anonymous) social media) users accused Haley of wanting “to eliminate free speech…
FIFY
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/15/2023 @ 12:00 pmNearly every problem with the Internet is due to anonymity. If people had to abide by the same rules they would have to honor face-to-face, disagreement would be more civil.
Are there downsides to an absence of anonymity? Sure. Just as there are downsides to putting license plates on cars. But there are plenty of good reasons why to do it, too.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/15/2023 @ 12:03 pm@328
Anonymously telling Haley to STFU over this topic is free speech.
Online anonymity is the least bad option and does more to promote free speech.
whembly (5f7596) — 11/15/2023 @ 12:06 pmIt’s going to have to be continuing resolutions all the way, or bills passed with more Democrats voting for it than Republicans. The divisions in the House of Representatives doesn’t change.
Sammy FInkelman (1d215a) — 11/15/2023 @ 12:23 pmNic
I wrote that badly.
steveg (02aef9) — 11/15/2023 @ 12:30 pm“They” (The US diplomats and Presidential hopeful Newsom) don’t have to say anything.
Leave the addicts out in plain sight so Xi can enjoy the fruits of his policy
Probably enforcing this to the NYT and WaPo’s “sources say” tripe would not just fix the internet, but debate in general.
BuDuh (ce9621) — 11/15/2023 @ 12:32 pm273
Actually only the Second Gentleman was there – the vice president was not. This was on October 27, at a meeting with approximately 70 Arab or Muslim officials.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/14/us/politics/israel-biden-letter-gaza-cease-fire.html
The fact that dozens were experiencing personal pressure, meant that they could tell Biden that their objections need not be taken seriously, as they weren’t made on the merits. Some may have been sincere (but crazy or biased) :
Sammy FInkelman (1d215a) — 11/15/2023 @ 12:35 pmExcept for the part regarding the anonymity of the Federalist Papers (as well as other writers such as Brutus, Cato, and Federal Farmer during the Constitution debates) and the unconstitutionality of Haley’s proposal. GG got that right.
Rip Murdock (8e793c) — 11/15/2023 @ 12:37 pm“Nearly every problem with the Internet is due to anonymity.”
Bullies, trolls, and propagandists love not having any retribution…reputation or otherwise. We’ve set up this all-consuming aspect of our lives where people see no consequence for being horrible individuals. To contrast what goes on in most internet comment threads with the Founding Fathers and the Federalist Papers is amusingly inapt. It’s also amusing to think that free speech will be crushed if you have to put your actual name to what you opine on the internet. Letters to the editor used to require it. I’ll admit that it’s a big step given that people have grown accustomed to anonymity…but I favor some broader requirement. I think it will raise the quality of interaction.
AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 11/15/2023 @ 12:39 pmHaley’s “doxxing of America” proposal is a big government conservative unforced error.
Rip Murdock (8e793c) — 11/15/2023 @ 12:43 pmWhat’s next-government Internet licensing?
Rip Murdock (8e793c) — 11/15/2023 @ 12:45 pmAren’t there already venues where one can go that don’t allow anonymity?
I think this is going to take on the Fairness Doctrine stench where the non-profitable less liked settings use force to ruin others’ enjoyment.
“Scroll on by” is just too tough, I guess.
BuDuh (ce9621) — 11/15/2023 @ 12:50 pm@335
I 100% disagree.
People will self-censor.
Not because its something that isn’t worth saying.
But because rando people cannot possibly defend against a mob when the mob goes after their livelihood.
I find this position by Haley super disturbing.
whembly (5f7596) — 11/15/2023 @ 12:50 pmThere is nothing stopping anyone from using their real name on the Internet now.
Rip Murdock (8e793c) — 11/15/2023 @ 12:51 pmWall Street Journal editorial:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/al-shifa-hospital-gaza-israel-hamas-9dc0135b
In this case, the United States is categorically against air strikes, and wants Israel also to avoid firefights. Israel is managing and has found places where only Hamas is. And one good thing, has demanded surrender, which should have been the main demand from the start, regardless of what the hopes are of getting it in the beginning..
Well, no, although someone who was totally ignorant could read it that way and maybe they are succeeding in the Arab world..
Hamas is in total denial, but it’s been known for years that the basement and Hamas built subbasements of al Shifa is a safe house and command center and there are several floors even.
Sammy FInkelman (1d215a) — 11/15/2023 @ 12:54 pmMore:
They are not pro-anybody.
Sammy FInkelman (1d215a) — 11/15/2023 @ 12:57 pmEnd of editorial.
Sammy FInkelman (1d215a) — 11/15/2023 @ 12:58 pmAnd a “solution” in search of a problem.
Rip Murdock (8e793c) — 11/15/2023 @ 1:01 pm322. Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/15/2023 @ 11:18 am
Well, they do. Suppose you want to know who was the Pope in 1189 or who won an election. But it’s like an almanac. You don’t find out anything truly new to you unless you do complicated searches.
Do you know how hard it sometimes is on Google to retrieve an article you read in the newspaper – and not always because one word is remembered incorrectly?
You practically need to have the article in front of you.
There are some tricks you can do to narrow your search. Like looking for something within the last day or week or a custom search. Custom searches (date ranges) don’t work on older computers.
Sammy FInkelman (1d215a) — 11/15/2023 @ 1:07 pmAnd now we know who leaked the tapes (probably to ABC). Sounds like the WaPo had a different source:
https://www.ajc.com/politics/judge-to-issue-protective-order-in-georgia-trump-case/D5SWV2HPXND4VDMZNWYK3UDE5M/
Appalled (03f53c) — 11/15/2023 @ 1:09 pm#341 Sammy FInkelman (1d215a) — 11/15/2023 @ 12:54 pm
That Wall Street Journal editorial is pure rubbish.
Any loss of life in the Gaza strip should solely be laid at Hama’s feet.
If you don’t want a superior force to come down hard on your for FO… don’t bitch about the FA phase of the equation.
Reap what’s be sowed.
whembly (5f7596) — 11/15/2023 @ 1:11 pm“Probably enforcing this to the NYT and WaPo’s “sources say” tripe would not just fix the internet, but debate in general.”
Despite fevered accusations, the NYT has journalistic standards that includes an editing process and a retraction process. We can quibble that journalistic standards have taken a hit in this age of hot takes and trying to be first with news, but there is at least an expectation. When journalists use anonymous sources, it’s because the information is key to the story, they are vouching for the reliability of the source, and there is no other way to include the information. The journalist could be fired or suffer reputational damage if they pass on bad information. Someone here can pass on bad information daily and just keep doing it. Being called out doesn’t stop it. Again, a defect of anonymity.
AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 11/15/2023 @ 1:20 pmNot being anonymous won’t make any difference. People who aren’t anonymous today are spreading “bad” information and they are proud of it, for example, Donald Trump.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/15/2023 @ 1:40 pm#348 A_J_Liberty – I agree with what you are saying, and think the largest problem is what the “mainstream” media choose to cover — and what they choose not to cover. For example, early in his first campaign for presidency Barack Obama admitted that, if we elected him and followed his policies, it might result in a genocide in Iraq. We did, and it did.
But that didn’t make the front page of the NYT, and no one from the newspaper is going to go out to Martha’s Vineyard to ask him about that genocide. (There is a detail in the story that haunts me. During Bill Clinton’s administration, Susan Rice said they should not call the Rwandan genocide by that name — in order to protect Clinton’s political viability.)
I could add many other examples, but won’t for today.
Jim Miller (501ed7) — 11/15/2023 @ 1:48 pmSad!
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/15/2023 @ 1:51 pmIt got people talking about Nikki Haley.
nk (bb1548) — 11/15/2023 @ 1:55 pm#350 – By “that didn’t make the front page”, I mean the fact that Obama knew his policies might result in a genocide.
If he has any regrets over that failure, he has concealed them well.
Jim Miller (501ed7) — 11/15/2023 @ 1:55 pmWhich shows the futility of “international law.”
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/15/2023 @ 1:56 pmBeing President means never having to say you’re “sorry.”
Rip Murdock (8e793c) — 11/15/2023 @ 2:08 pm“Not being anonymous won’t make any difference.”
Most people aren’t sociopaths.
AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 11/15/2023 @ 2:21 pmOnline anonymity is the least bad option and does more to promote free speech.
I’ve been online since the late 70s (CompuServe). Back then things were more civil, not because you had to use your real name (you didn’t, outside of a few business-oriented sections) but that you knew that CompuServe knew who you were. It protected against predators and kept trolls and other bad actors to a minimum, unlike the open season we have now. And speech was really quite free, just the same.
Does anyone think that “Hey, little girl, want some candy?” is free speech? Because you have a damn sight more of that than you have Federalist Papers. Some basic identification of actors is needed. What we have now is not the best of all possible worlds.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/15/2023 @ 2:52 pmAnd then there’s Elon…https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_AhFqTW8AACxB4?format=jpg&name=large
Sam G (8d2ed1) — 11/15/2023 @ 2:52 pmMost people aren’t sociopaths.
But many trolls are.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/15/2023 @ 2:54 pmThere is nothing stopping anyone from using their real name on the Internet now.
There is nothing stopping people from being civil now, either.
Please explain why I cannot drive my car anonymously.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/15/2023 @ 2:55 pmAnd a “solution” in search of a problem.
TrumpBots, PutinBots and CommieBots hardest hit.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/15/2023 @ 2:57 pmI could add many other examples, but won’t for today.
No one has ever gotten a newsroom high-five for nailing someone on the Left.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/15/2023 @ 2:59 pmYou have a constitutional right to say things anonymously. You do not have a constitutional right to own or drive a car.
Sam G (8d2ed1) — 11/15/2023 @ 3:07 pm“but that you knew that CompuServe knew who you were”
I think this is what’s reasonable. Plus a light-hand of moderation. TheDispatch is a pretty civil place. When you pay for something, you value it more.
AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 11/15/2023 @ 3:13 pm“You have a constitutional right to say things anonymously”
On someone else’s web site?!
AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 11/15/2023 @ 3:14 pmIf that someone else wants to require you to provide identification, that’s their decision: not the government’s.
Sam G (8d2ed1) — 11/15/2023 @ 3:19 pm“You have a constitutional right to say things anonymously”
On someone else’s web site?!
If the owner lets you. It’s his right as much as yours.
Nikki nikki po pikki banana fanna fo fikki fie fie mo mikki should sell her shtick some place where “All your internet belong to the government” is already the way they do things. She must have heard of a few in her time at the UN.
nk (bb1548) — 11/15/2023 @ 3:25 pmTrump really wasted that “sanctimonious” on DeSantis. But that’s Trump. Projection is the way he does things. In this case, for his girl in the race.
nk (bb1548) — 11/15/2023 @ 3:33 pm@362 tell that to Bernie Sanders. Ed schultz was not allowed to cover Bernie Sanders announcement he was running for president live from Vermont 2015. Ed said msdnc high ups were trying to make sanders running against clinton go away. On the night of the Michigan Primary rachel maddow tried to down play Bernies win in Michigan dem. primary by touting clinton’s primary win in mississippi which was meaningless. When AOC ran against crowley in 2018 New york times never did a story on her even though she was running in new york city. Nether did msdnc, cnn, abc, cbs, nbc or any other major media outlet. After she won the media tried to down play her win saying it was only because she is latinx and in hindsight everybody new she was going to defeat crowley! Fun fact: AOC got a lower % of her vote from latinx then she did from whites, blacks and asians. Crowley’s latinx votes was higher % then whites blacks or asians! Emilys list dedicated to helping liberal women running for office endorsed crowley instead of AOC! The left is a threat to the establishment corporate media. Most of you here are conservative and don’t understand the battle inside the democrat party between the left base and corporate establishment liberals and their media running dogs.
asset (370058) — 11/15/2023 @ 3:41 pmPunting:
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/15/2023 @ 3:44 pmAsset, I think you incorrectly identify what is and is not the base of the Democratic Party. It’s not progressives or leftists, as they are unreliable voters. It’s more moderate (or even conservative, if you really dug into their beliefs) folks that are reliable voters for the Democrats that make up the base. That base tends to skew older, too.
As Yair Rosenberg said the other day:
Sam G (8d2ed1) — 11/15/2023 @ 3:48 pm@371 the most reliable democrat voter is older black women who normally don’t rock the democratic boat out of self protection. Older pro-choice women as long as party is militant pro-abortion rights. The rest of the base is more volatile, younger minorities and whites. Generation Z votes more democratic and only half have turned 18, then millenials which is larger now then boomers. Moderates though larger in number then left base and tend to vote establishment are not enough and can get fed up as the squad proved. In 2016 80,000 democratic ballots mostly in detroit michigan voted down ballot democrat ;but left presidential blank. Joe Biden realized in 2020 that pushing sanders out of the primaries pushed his left voters out to unless he gave into their demands instead of giving them the back of his hand as hillary did in 2016 and did not vote for her. To keep the left party base tolerating Biden when we say jump he asks how high. Every election we get larger and moderates die off.
asset (370058) — 11/15/2023 @ 4:28 pmThe further left is unreliable and incapable of voting strategically. Threats to not vote just means the party will move towards reliable voters – e.g. more conservative views.
SamG (4e6c22) — 11/15/2023 @ 4:53 pmYou have a constitutional right to say things anonymously.
This is the first-and-a-half amendment?
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/15/2023 @ 5:21 pmYou have a constitutional right to say things anonymously. You do not have a constitutional right to own or drive a car.
I have a constitutional right to travel and a constitutional right to speech. The modalities are another matter. I do not, for example, have the right to speech using sound amplification in a residential neighborhood.
Recently, the Court decided that *some* anonymous speech was protected, but up to then NO such speech was protected and even now not ALL such speech is protected.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/15/2023 @ 5:25 pm@373 They tried that in 2016 when clitonistas told the left we don’t give you squat and you have to vote for us to stop trump. The facts not threats to vote green party or not vote top of ticket (michigan 2016) forced the moderates to placate us in 2020. Your thesis only works if democrat party has enough moderates and doesn’t need the left ;but they don’t. The democrat party nows this after 2016. See what happened in az in 2022 when kari lake and the other maggots told mccain republicans get out we don’t want you!
asset (370058) — 11/15/2023 @ 5:31 pm@375 In az supreme court here has ruled you have a right to drive a car.
asset (370058) — 11/15/2023 @ 5:33 pmThe people the Democrat Party is most likely to lose are the New Dealers, who think that supporting the working and middle class is the most important thing. Social Security, Medicare, unions, civil rights, a managed economy and the safety net. They are not all that keen on those who would overturn a working system, and they see identity politics as disruptive and divisive.
They are, in short, “conservatives” in the real meaning of the word. Trump and his minions are chaos agents, and they are about as far from “conservative” as one can get.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/15/2023 @ 5:37 pm@376 didn’t learn your lesson on strategic voting from 2016, eh?
Enjoy Trump at POTUS in 2025.
SamG (4e6c22) — 11/15/2023 @ 5:40 pmOh, unless of course you think things are better now after a Trump presidency than prior/if Clinton had been elected in 2016. If you favor a GOP SCOTUS, by all means – act like 2016nnever happened.
SamG (4e6c22) — 11/15/2023 @ 5:42 pmIt is unlikely that Congress would ever pass a law banning anonymity on the Internet, and even less likely that the current Supreme Court would uphold it.
Source
Haley has entered First Amendment fantasy camp.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/15/2023 @ 5:46 pmAsset, you may also look back on 2022: left didn’t show up, and the GOP took the House. How’s that working for us?
SamG (4e6c22) — 11/15/2023 @ 6:09 pm@steveg@312/331 Maybe I’m cynical, but I don’t think that Xi would really care about American people dying of fentanyl. I think that plays into their idea of decadent weak westerners and maybe revenge from the opium wars.
@AJ@335 It’s too easy to get fired for having an opinion on the internet if you use your real name. Also, I’d rather not be e-stalked by my students.
Nic (896fdf) — 11/15/2023 @ 7:01 pmJust the First. There are whole books published anonymously or pseudonymously. Just ask Trump’s ghostwriters.
nk (bb1548) — 11/15/2023 @ 7:24 pmI have a constitutional right to travel
Since when? It’s not enumerated. It has been claimed to be one of the Privileges and Immunities of Article IV, but that’s for citizens, and it’s the red-headed stepchild of the Constitution compared to the First Amendment.
nk (bb1548) — 11/15/2023 @ 7:33 pm@381: That anonymity was for a particular type of speaker, not all speakers. A law that said handbills had to be signed was overturned. Some speakers cannot speak ON the record as they prefer. Tobacco companies, for example. And take another look at campaign finance laws for how anonymous speech can be curtailed.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/15/2023 @ 8:00 pmJust the First. There are whole books published anonymously or pseudonymously.
And again, that does not mean that anonymous speech is a globally protected right. It means that it is, at times, tolerated. If those books had contained libel, the author’s ass would be in court forthwith.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/15/2023 @ 8:02 pmAnd again, that does not mean that anonymous speech is a globally protected right.
Way to confuse the issue. Nobody is saying that. We’re saying that it is as fully protected as “onymous speech”. In America.
nk (bb1548) — 11/15/2023 @ 8:20 pmCould Google say “We will not place ads on any social network that does not require users to identify themselves to the service”?
Could the government condition its safe harbor laws for publishers on the same requirement?
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/15/2023 @ 8:28 pmI’ve come to the conclusion that Elon Musk should stick to talking about cars and rockets. There’s a disease that brilliant people succumb to — that they know all the answers to everything — and Musk has it in spades.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/15/2023 @ 9:12 pm@379@380 @382 Cut flesh to cut meat. I do vote strategic ;but different strategy. Clinton victory would hurt the left as did biden. AOC and squad would never have won if clinton was elected by angry democrats. Dobbs keep them angry for 2024 and beyond like right uses gun control. I voted green in 2020 hoping trump would win so AOC would walk into presidency 2024. The DNC corporate establishment democrats must continue to be discredited so the left can take over the democrat party like trump took over republican party.
asset (370058) — 11/15/2023 @ 9:32 pmGotcha: not a Democrat. Accelerationist.
SamG (4e6c22) — 11/15/2023 @ 10:08 pmI am a left democrat populist. Like trumpsters who are right populists took over the republican party from reagan conservatives. In 1980 reagan after winning the nomination and before bill casey and john connoly committed treason with Iran to hold our hostages so carter didn’t win ( tradition in gop see 1968 ) Reagan went to give his first speech in philadelphia mississippi where the 3 civil rights workers murdered in 1964 by the KKK welcoming ignorant southern white trash racist democrat populists into the republican party. As the song says you knew I was a snake before you let me in. Democrat party didn’t exactly let bernie sanders and aoc in we kind of shoved are way thru a crack in the door. When bobby kennady and especially Gene McCarthy opposed the vietnam war I became a democrat.
asset (370058) — 11/15/2023 @ 11:19 pm@392 If you are new to democrat party infighting the corporate establishment DNC democrats like the clintonistas hate Bernie Sanders, AOC and left base as much as they hate trump ;but not as much as we hate them. They fear AOC more then they fear trump and for good reason!
asset (370058) — 11/15/2023 @ 11:28 pm@392 not an Accelerationist I believe in non-exploitive capitalism and whats worse I practice it in my business that I own as an owner operator. I am a capitalist wage slave master ;but I don’t have any capitalist wage slaves. Also I am NON-ignorant southern white trash populist so I fit right into the democratic non corporatist part of the party. Being “determined” to be an existentialist. About 55 years ago when my political science teacher morris starsky got fired from my alma matter Arizona State football and party school for leading anti-vietnam war march I changed my major to existentialist metaphysics. I live my philosophy which few other philosophers have been able to do!
asset (370058) — 11/15/2023 @ 11:46 pmI like this Eric Allie cartoon.
Jim Miller (afa93c) — 11/16/2023 @ 7:17 amYes Asset, you’re left MAGA. You don’t care if you actually get progress made, or consider harm reduction in your voting: you want pain to spread, thinking that that will move people towards supporting your preferred policy outcomes. The thing you and those like you ignore is that there are more parties with agency of their own, and inducing such chaos means a group completely antithetical to your desires takes control and ends the game in whole.
The thing y’all “step past progressives” (note that’s the lower-case p progressive, not Progressive) need to remember – besides how much of a threat a second Trump presidency would be (and that’s all available in his statements and Project 2025):
That last line is one I’m sure you take umbrage against, and yet for 50k votes in a handful of states in 2016 or under 7k votes in 5 states in 2022 – things would be very different.
I’ll leave this by saying “Good luck on your efforts to gain support for your cause”.
Sam G (8d2ed1) — 11/16/2023 @ 7:56 amOn an unrelated note:
Biden’s moral clarity on Xi (met with him, then called him a dictator) and Israel (states there will be no ceasefire as long as Hamas exists/is in control of Gaza) is pretty refreshing, ain’t it?
Sam G (8d2ed1) — 11/16/2023 @ 8:06 amReally refreshing…
🤣
BuDuh (4214e4) — 11/16/2023 @ 8:15 amSam G (8d2ed1) — 11/16/2023 @ 8:06 am
I’m afraid that could be because he’s too brain damaged to constantly lie. There are true things he said that he retracted after being asked to by underlings, on the grounds that it deviated from official U.S. policy. That Putin could not remain in power in Russia. That the United States would defend Taiwan.
Sammy Finkelman (733b9a) — 11/16/2023 @ 8:21 am(note that’s the lower-case p progressive, not Progressive)
Aw, c’mon, admit you really mean he’s a Marxist, not merely a Socialist.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/16/2023 @ 9:16 amVote for Biden and he wins: you’re in the coalition, he owes you.
Vote for Biden and he loses: you can say you tried to stop fascism.
Don’t vote Biden and he wins: you’re irrelevant.
Don’t vote Biden and he loses: you’re to blame.
Vote for Biden and he wins: He thinks you liked him and want more of the same.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/16/2023 @ 9:22 amVote for Biden and he loses: The party thinks you want more of the same.
Don’t vote Biden and he wins: Someone else thinks you liked them.
Don’t vote Biden and he loses: The party might decide to try something different.
Don’t vote: You are less relevant than dead people, as some of them do vote.
@398 “Biden’s moral clarity on Xi (met with him, then called him a dictator) and Israel (states there will be no ceasefire as long as Hamas exists/is in control of Gaza) is pretty refreshing, ain’t it?”
I would look for moral clarity regarding our own territorial integrity as opposed to Israel’s, Taiwan’s or Ukraine’s, though Democrats don’t see a problem there. And, the dissent and squishiness shown by anonymous DEI State Department employees in this administration is probably of more significance to anyone who isn’t a D. There are words, and there are actions. Biden already had imposed a ceasefire on Israel weeks ago, delaying their military response. And Iran probably took clues from his moral clarity in Afghanistan a year ago.
lloyd (0ab1dd) — 11/16/2023 @ 9:53 amThere is a significant governmental interest in preventing election corruption by requiring campaign contribution disclosures, which has been upheld numerous times by the Supreme Court over the past nearly 50 years:
Haley hasn’t identified a significant governmental interest to require identity verification of all social media users, beyond getting rid of “Russian bots, the Iranian bots, and the Chinese bots. And then, you’re going to get some civility, when people know their name is next to what they say.” Civility on the Internet is not a significant governmental interest, since we see uncivil behavior by named politicians in their social media postings. Addressing the “bot” question should be up to the social media companies themselves.
In fact, Haley has already demonstrated the courage of her convictions by partially walking back her proposal.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/16/2023 @ 10:24 amSammy@400 —
A truly brain damaged Biden would be stuttering.
Appalled (03f53c) — 11/16/2023 @ 10:25 amLloyd, there has been no ceasefire from Israel since 10/7 and the US couldn’t impose one even if we wanted to. There is however an important difference between advising a more controlled and deliberate course of action (e.g. contacting allies/neighbors to form a coalition against Hamas) rather than thoughtless retaliation without a plan for the future.
On our own territorial integrity: the CBP under Biden has seized more fentanyl and arrested far more people than Trump did. If you want something different/lasting then we need to urge Congress to actually change the system as it exists.
Sam G (8d2ed1) — 11/16/2023 @ 10:58 am@401: I dunno if he goes for Marx. It’s possible he’s part of the illiberal left (of which Marxists/tankies are grouped).
At the moment, my view of the present is that we are in a fight of liberalism vs illiberalism (from right and left). It is incumbent that those of us that make up the small-L liberal part of the political spectrum join together to prevent the illiberals from gaining power.
Sam G (8d2ed1) — 11/16/2023 @ 11:13 am@406 “On our own territorial integrity: the CBP under Biden has seized more fentanyl and arrested far more people than Trump did. If you want something different/lasting then we need to urge Congress to actually change the system as it exists.”
There is much more fentanyl being trafficked under Biden, thus more to seize, and much more people violating our border laws. True. or false? This really isn’t a question so much as an invitation to be truthful about what is actually happening under Biden.
There will be no lasting solution as long as one side doesn’t see a problem. An incessant influx of future voters and government dependents is exactly what D has wanted for well over a century. Why would they ever want to fix this? Offer a reason that makes sense. The last time there was a bipartisan proposal was ten years ago and, had it passed, we’d be exactly in the same state of chaos as today. Trump worked within the rules to keep some semblance of sanity at the border. There were no D mayors and governors begging for help. Biden isn’t interested. There’s your moral clarity.
lloyd (0ab1dd) — 11/16/2023 @ 11:28 amAutoworkers ratify deal with GM after tight vote
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/16/2023 @ 11:53 amAppalled (03f53c) — 11/16/2023 @ 10:25 am
It’s not really brain damage. It’s a little bitof mental deterioration. He makes mistakes in speaking,
Sammy Finkelman (f1a67c) — 11/16/2023 @ 12:05 pmHaley hasn’t identified a significant governmental interest to require identity verification of all social media users, beyond getting rid of “Russian bots, the Iranian bots, and the Chinese bots
I bet if you looked for one, you could find it.
Civility on the Internet is not a significant governmental interest
The incivility on the Internet is what is driving the coarseness and division in the society at large. There is a strong correlation, but in topics and in time.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/16/2023 @ 12:11 pm*both in topics and in time.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/16/2023 @ 12:11 pmBoth Biden and Trump are mentally impaired. Biden’s is the general infirmity of age. Trump’s is seen in wild mood swings, sudden anger and a general paranoia.
I do not think either of them should be running for president. There is something truly broken in America that it is not only so, but that they are leading.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/16/2023 @ 12:16 pmA little over half — 54.7 percent — of GM workers supported the agreement, while 45.3 percent voted against it.
Stolen! Audit the vote!
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/16/2023 @ 12:17 pmIt’s not anyone’s responsibility to provide a rationale for her policy proposal except herself; and she has failed to do so. And as I pointed out, she is retreating from her own proposal, which now doesn’t include “anonymous Americans“, so I guess the incivility will continue. Politicians who use social media under their own names are frequently uncivil, so apparently posting under their own names is not a deterrent.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/16/2023 @ 12:21 pmCDA Section 230 has, as one provision, a safe harbor protecting platform providers against libel or defamation suits. Aggrieved parties have only the option of suing individual speakers.
However, when speakers are anonymous, this option is a fairly weak one as it only works when the platform itself demands identification of users.
I see no reason that the government could not condition the safe harbor protection on mandatory platform-level user credentialing. Don’t like it? Give up the safe harbor protection and assume full liability for your users.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/16/2023 @ 12:38 pmHyundai to sell cars on Amazon.
No word on haggling.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/16/2023 @ 12:43 pmIt also may not matter much what the US does with Internet IDs. Europe doesn’t have a 1st Amendment and will blaze that trail soon enough. They already have content censorship rules.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/16/2023 @ 12:45 pm@416
No.
This will be disastrous.
I mean, we’ve just seen how incestuous big tech companies works with the government with disfavored speech.
whembly (5f7596) — 11/16/2023 @ 12:51 pmSo, you argue bad policy? Fine. But it’s apparently constitutional.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/16/2023 @ 12:54 pmThis will be disastrous.
But really …
Facebook, Google, X (soon) and Patterico all require some means of identification, if just a valid email. Why has the world not ended?
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/16/2023 @ 12:56 pm@421
Because emails are still considered anonymous.
The world is a lot different than we were young.
You and I remember the days whereby we can pick up the Whitepages to find the phone number/address using just a full name. (unless you paided extra to hide that)
But, back then, neither the mob nor the government has the sort of reach today that can be abused.
whembly (5f7596) — 11/16/2023 @ 1:07 pm@420
There’s literally a court case that’s ongoing whereby the judge as signaled (Missouri v. Biden) that the petitioners are likely to win.
whembly (5f7596) — 11/16/2023 @ 1:09 pmThe email I use for this site (and others) is a gmail account that uses my screen name, and has no connection with my real name.
Has any other politician endorsed her proposal? I can’t find any.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/16/2023 @ 1:19 pmAnd which has been blocked by the Supreme Court, and has nothing to do with anonymity on the Internet.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/16/2023 @ 1:24 pmThere are whole slew of Supreme Court decision supporting the right to anonymous speech, so the constitutionality of Haley’s proposal isn’t a given.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/16/2023 @ 1:31 pmI look forward to Haley defending her proposal at the next debate. She’ll get hammered by the other candidates.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/16/2023 @ 1:32 pm@397 they tried to blame bernie in 2016 and got AOC and the squad elected. See tiktok above you have a problem with young people we don’t. Young people in large numbers support palestine. Some support hamas which is bad because they are evil as is the muslim religion. About the votes thats our system. I don’t like it ;but it is what it is. I am proudly left populist so I don’t hate trump ;but this vermin stuff even has me a little worried. Thanks to demographics its more likely my side will win. As the song in caberet says the future belongs to me!
asset (78d118) — 11/16/2023 @ 1:39 pmQuestions, questions:
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/16/2023 @ 1:40 pmIf you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear. Thats what they keep telling me.
asset (78d118) — 11/16/2023 @ 1:44 pm@425
They only blocked the injunction. The case is ongoing and my point was that we have irrefutable facts that big tech worked with government censorship regime.
whembly (5f7596) — 11/16/2023 @ 1:57 pm@430
You best better have an attorney at your side before you “talk” with government investigators.
whembly (5f7596) — 11/16/2023 @ 1:58 pmWe’ll see if the Supreme Court agrees.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/16/2023 @ 2:23 pmI see my comment @335 made it over to the Reason comment section with the following reply
“These are the same people who pontificate about “muh principles,” mind you. When the rubber hits the road, they can’t wait to start tasting boot leather. And for the cherry on top, this d***hit is notably not posting using his real name.”
Sounds like FWO. Glad he found a new home where he can elevate his discourse. He does make a strong point for anonymity as with the number of angry internet warriors, who would want to invite them into any aspect of your actual life? The nature of commenting on-line would need to change if attribution was required. Again, probably it should cost a fee and require some moderation. It certainly is easiest the way it is now…but it makes it heaven for trolls, bullies, and agitators. Yay.
AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 11/16/2023 @ 3:10 pm“Anonymity lends both courage and a measure of safety to speakers who might otherwise fear retaliation from those who are ruffled by raw speech. It protects you personally from getting fired by a boss or doxxed by an angry mob. It promotes the airing of controversial, unpopular speech and promotes debate that might otherwise be suppressed. And it encourages whistleblowing.”
The fear is manifested only if the hosting site releases the name. I agree that verification might be costly initially, but perhaps technology would come to the rescue. There seems to be little consideration of the negatives of anonymity…as if social media is functioning perfectly…..with the electorate better informed than ever (/sarc). I think this is the view of people who especially like the raw content and who like trolling. They don’t want anyone to ruin their fun. How much of the current internet would I miss? I’m not sure it brings out the best in us.
AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 11/16/2023 @ 3:21 pm432 why? since its a felony not to tell the truth to government officer I would just remain silent when ask question or say 5 th amendment.
asset (b97181) — 11/16/2023 @ 4:00 pmAbove everything else, Haley’s proposal is snake oil, like so many other proposals by politicians.
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 11/16/2023 @ 4:20 pmUh, no.
As Haley put it: “And then you’re going to get some civility when people know their name is next to what they say, and they know their pastor and their family members are going to see it,” so posts would be identifiable by real names, which could lead to posters suppressing their opinions and their political participation, knowing that their families, pastors, employers, and fellow employees would know what they think.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/16/2023 @ 4:34 pmThe death toll from the Hamas massacre’s in southern Israel near Gaza has been revised. Originally, they were saying 150, 300, 300 and then it crept up to over 1,000, and then 1200, 1300 and even 1400. It stayed there and I felt it was too high. (the number 1441 was used in Israel and I think 240 kidnapped)
It was difficult to total up a figure. The system was not prepared to handle so many bodies, and some bodies were misplaced, and there were parts of bodies and bodies were burnt, and a few bodies were discovered later, bodies of Hamas terrorists were mixed up among them.
About Sunday Israel came up with a much better estimate.
The totals are now (or were as of the beginning of this week)
At least 846 civilians.
At least 278 soldiers (Hamas went into some small military bases) This includes any soldiers killed in Israel. (Around 45 have since been killed in Gaza.) Soldiers are easier t identify because when they go into the army, their DNA is taken. And there is a separate system for handling the bodies. I don’t know if the total of soldiers includes some people killed in their homes.
At least 44 police officers (not considered either civilians or soldiers)
Total 846+278+44 = 1168. This probably does not include any murdered babies extracted alive from a pregnant woman, who would not have a name.
These include 31 U.S. citizens, 39 French citizens and 34 Thai nationals. Another figure is 32. (Thai workers were common now in the Israeli farms near Gaza – most have since returned to Thailand) And 10 from Nepal who were at the music festival.
Roughly 239 people kidnapped – 4 released, 1 confirmed dead, 1 woman if all went well, gave birth in Gaza.
25 Thais were kidnapped and taken to Gaza.
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 11/16/2023 @ 4:39 pmHamas stopped giving a total of people killed in Gaza. They stopped updating it on Friday. They said about 11,000. This mixes up combatants and noncombatants and probably includes deaths from all causes. Their health ministry seems to function as a recorder of vital statistics, and in past have been mostly accurate as to numbers.
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 11/16/2023 @ 4:42 pmThere are whole slew of Supreme Court decision supporting the right to anonymous speech, so the constitutionality of Haley’s proposal isn’t a given.
Tell me why the approach @416 is unconstitutional.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/16/2023 @ 5:00 pmI have no idea if it is or not. The idea is pure speculation.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/16/2023 @ 5:34 pmHaley’s policy proposal, in contrast, is clearly unconstitutional, and I would also say un-American. It would make it easier, example, for employers to discriminate against anyone with unpopular viewpoints (currently not protected by anti-discrimination laws) up to and including dismissal. Haley’s solution is in search of a problem.
There is no evidence that public shaming encourages civility; clearly someone like MTG is not embarrassed by what she posts on X or Meta.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/16/2023 @ 5:44 pmMoorpark professor arrested in death of Jewish protester Paul Kessler in Thousand Oaks
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/16/2023 @ 5:58 pmThe miracle of America is that this kind of thing is news.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/16/2023 @ 5:59 pmI have no idea if it is or not.
Translation: I won’t admit that it is.
The idea is pure speculation.
The idea is a simple condition added to an existing statute, one that currently confers a privilege on a select few in order to allow Internet forums to function. Changing the rules a bit — for the same purpose — is not “speculation.”
Speculation
A word Rip uses for things he doesn’t like.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/16/2023 @ 6:04 pm@435
Technology is not the problem.
Anonymity is not the problem.
The problem lies with people…and it’s not the trolls either.
If you cannot read a message online, regardless of what it says or advocates for, and it cause some emotional distress such that you MUST respond or rail against the ethernet… maybe the problem is…you.
Log off.
Interact with real people.
If, you feel the need to engage with trolls, misinformation or other degenerates online… say your piece and move on.
The danger with online activity, is the perpetuation of cancel culture. Especially, when the government is involved.
whembly (c88dc4) — 11/16/2023 @ 6:15 pmwhembly,
I’m amazed that you cannot see how the Internet, and it’s total lack of corrective feedback, amplifies our discord and serves to divide.
Yeats says it best.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/16/2023 @ 7:35 pmLike the time non-vaxers were viciously equated to drunk drivers?
BuDuh (f26939) — 11/16/2023 @ 9:10 pmI get so tired of people here calling me a marxist/socialist. As I have said many times I believe in the social welfare state invented by conservative Bismark) to protect the rich and stop the incessant revolution that were breaking out at the time. I am a non-exploitive capitalist who owns his own business. Government owning the means of production only works as a last resort. At the time people thought their was nothing worse then capitalism because its excesses were not regulated. The manhatten project is the example most often used. A government official gen. groves shut down the quickest way to make an atomic bomb that is used to day because when he went to philadelphia they were not working on a saturday. If he hadn’t shut it down we would have had the atomic bomb in 1944! saving millions of lives.
asset (3a78e9) — 11/16/2023 @ 9:49 pm“Technology is not the problem. Anonymity is not the problem. The problem lies with people…and it’s not the trolls either. If you cannot read a message online, regardless of what it says or advocates for, and it cause some emotional distress such that you MUST respond or rail against the ethernet… maybe the problem is…you.”
This is hilariously obtuse. The technology plays to our worst impulses. It makes people compulsive, obsessive, and angry. Next you’ll be saying it’s not the fentanyl, it’s the people who just aren’t going for a nice long walk instead. We can hardly govern ourselves anymore…but don’t blame the technology! The GOP is nominating someone with 91 criminal counts and a host of social pathologies but we can’t question the arena that both incubated him and allows him to traffic in false memes.
There are smart and thoughtful people on the internet that waste their incredible gifts responding to trolls, bullies, and sociopaths. It’s easy to say ignore them and go for a walk…except that’s not the psychological design of it all.
AJ_Liberty (691d8b) — 11/17/2023 @ 5:19 amLike the time non-vaxers were viciously equated to drunk drivers?
I stand by that claim, but maybe. But what is vicious about pointing out someone’s assaults on others?
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/17/2023 @ 6:27 amI see that Biden now trails DeSantis as well as Trump and Haley. Haley up by 10.
I’m guessing though that many Republicans want Trump as he will attempt things the others will not (e.g. mass deportations). Never mind that President Trump has a poor track record of actually getting things done. Hew talks loudly, but has a little stick.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/17/2023 @ 6:30 amMethodology on that +10 Haley poll available at: https://law.marquette.edu/poll/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/MLSPSC17Methodology.pdf
Sam G (8d2ed1) — 11/17/2023 @ 7:37 amNo, it’s a word I use when a statement is not grounded in fact or reality.
Rip Murdock (c20088) — 11/17/2023 @ 7:52 amOn 10/7, I wrote about the kidnapping of Noa, the young woman who was at that music festival but was abducted by Hamas terrorists via motorcycle. I thought this tweet was about her but it was about another Noa, but just as heartbreaking:
She was 19, and her body was found near Al Shifa Hospital. Noa Argamani, the pretty 25-year old, is still held hostage, far as we know.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 11/17/2023 @ 7:57 amThat is why Israel (and the West) should assume all the hostages are dead and act accordingly.
Rip Murdock (c20088) — 11/17/2023 @ 8:00 am@448
Oh, I absolutely do see that.
But you and I disagree on the prescription to combat against that.
There’s no panacea or silver bullet that’s going to stop that and forcing that everyone must be doxxed is the worst kind of solution.
whembly (5f7596) — 11/17/2023 @ 8:26 am@451
…except that’s not the psychological design of it all.
Therein lies the problem.
I might as well as post this:
whembly (5f7596) — 11/17/2023 @ 8:38 amLink should be this:
whembly (5f7596) — 11/17/2023 @ 8:38 amhttps://xkcd.com/386/
@452
Because it’s not assault?
whembly (5f7596) — 11/17/2023 @ 8:39 am@456 O
I’m not quite there yet… but, I probably could be convinced if Israel goes all Romans-to-Carthage on Gaza.
whembly (5f7596) — 11/17/2023 @ 8:41 amNo, it’s a word I use when a statement is not grounded in fact or reality.
My statement — adding a few words to an existing law while changing its constitutionality not one whit — is as “grounded in fact” as your above statement.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/17/2023 @ 8:53 amhttps://xkcd.com/386/
Absolute classic. I’ve shared that before. Along with this one.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/17/2023 @ 8:55 amI probably could be convinced if Israel goes all Romans-to-Carthage on Gaza.
From Israel to the Sea, Gaza shall be Free.
There are Israelis that actually want that, driving all the Arabs out, but that would start a war that Israel cannot win, while isolating them from their allies.
What is needed is a paradigm change, such as a protectorate in the hands of a reliable Arab government. What we will get is a pruning and the status quo ante. Or worse, the UN.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/17/2023 @ 9:01 amBecause it’s not assault?
Allow me my hyperbole. But refusing to take reasonable health precautions because one is an ignorant buffoon, and exposing others to a disease that may kill them, is not a minor matter.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/17/2023 @ 9:03 amFor once I agree with whembly. This is rank government coercion, a quid pro quo threat. It’s also a “solution” in search of a problem. There is no substantial governmental interest in banning anonymity on the Internet. It’s certainly not a conservative idea.
Personally, I oppose having to give out my identity in order to exercise a constitutional right. For example, I don’t make campaign contributions that require me to provide my name and address. I only donate to 501 (c) (4) organizations that aren’t required to report their contributors. I also think the reporting threshold for House and Senate campaigns is way too low ($200). It should be $100,000 before reporting is required.
Rip Murdock (c20088) — 11/17/2023 @ 9:04 amI also think the reporting threshold for House and Senate campaigns is way too low ($200). It should be $100,000 before reporting is required.
Oh, $10K is large enough, but I agree otherwise. You give $10K to a Congressman and they will give you special access. Maybe a bit higher for a Senator, but what would seem like a tiny amount to a CA Senator might seem much larger to someone from New Mexico.
But really, there are a lot of other ways to corrupt a politician so maybe the whole campaign finance law structure is wrong. It may be in the government’s interest to prevent corrupt practices but I see no indication that these laws have had much effect on that.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/17/2023 @ 9:17 amThis is rank government coercion, a quid pro quo threat. It’s also a “solution” in search of a problem. There is no substantial governmental interest in banning anonymity on the Internet.
What is the government interest in protecting corporations from liability for libel on sites the run and presumably police? They get that protection now, why can’t it be conditioned on something that reduces intolerance and hate?
You may not think that reducing intolerance and hate is a government interest, but reasonable people might disagree.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/17/2023 @ 9:21 amRip Murdock (c20088) — 11/17/2023 @ 9:04 am
It’s not even allowed above an amount that in federal elections that’s now adjusted fir inflation, close to $3,000 per candidate per election.(primary and general count separate, and the donation limit it can be doubled through a spouse where reimbursement is not considered to using a straw donor)
I don’t know about a $100,000 disclosure limit, but large donations should be allowed, I don’t think all this regulation does much except permit false attacks on candidates and limit number of candidates. Donation limit ought to be set at a level where there are many other people giving the same amount
(1970s era campaign finance “reform”is why we have such poor choices for president.)
Sammy Finkelman (f1a67c) — 11/17/2023 @ 9:36 amEven the $3,300 combined limit is to low. I would set it at $500k.
Rip Murdock (c20088) — 11/17/2023 @ 9:41 amThat is the role of civil society organizations, such as churches, charities, schools, political and religious leaders, etc. not the government. There is nothing the government can do to change people’s behavior. People will always be intolerant and hateful to varying degrees. It’s human nature.
Rip Murdock (c20088) — 11/17/2023 @ 9:46 am@466
Glad you acknowledge it’s hyperbole.
It’s also not a minor matter that it may NOT be a reasonable health precaution for someone to take the vaccine, and it’s not the person’s responsibility to take that risk for someone else who’s vulnerable.
Everyone, from rando internet posters to hospital administrators to politicians making public policy aught to read up on medical ethics.
whembly (5f7596) — 11/17/2023 @ 9:47 am@472
I’m with Rip on this one.
Just look in recent history as to why it’s NOT a good idea to empower government to force a civil society.
whembly (5f7596) — 11/17/2023 @ 9:51 amSo, neither of you thinks we should have civil rights laws?
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/17/2023 @ 9:57 amIt’s also not a minor matter that it may NOT be a reasonable health precaution for someone to take the vaccine
Blah blah blah blah. Learn math, it’s not hard.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/17/2023 @ 9:58 amOf course civil rights laws are necessary. They protect American citizens from discrimination and enforce constitutional rights.
Civil and voting rights laws forbid actions, not thoughts. That’s different from trying to ban human emotions. There is no way to make hate or intolerance illegal. You would be punishing someone for bad thoughts.
A real straw man argument.
Rip Murdock (4e1d23) — 11/17/2023 @ 10:16 amIn a perfect world we wouldn’t need civil rights laws, but given human nature translating into discriminatory actions, they are necessary.
Rip Murdock (c20088) — 11/17/2023 @ 10:20 am@475
Why the hell you interpreted my stance as me opposing civil rights laws?
Strawman much.
Address the issue at hand, rather than making up sh!t.
@476
Oh. More bad faith argumentation.
Stop digging homie.
whembly (5f7596) — 11/17/2023 @ 10:39 amRip Murdock (4e1d23) — 11/17/2023 @ 10:16 am
Not directly – but laws do influence attitudes – both ways.
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 11/17/2023 @ 11:12 amRip Murdock (c20088) — 11/17/2023 @ 9:41 am
I think $3,300 is the uncombined limit. It is four times as much when you count both the primary and general election (sometimes the primary election is mostly fictional) and allow contributions attributed to spouses.(a spouse cannot become a straw donor even if they live in non-community property states)
They can contribute a great deal more to various kinds of committees (the opposite of preventing influence peddling) and I think there is a limit on total giving to all candidates per federal election cycle.
No limit on contributions to organizations whose spending.is supposedlynco-ordinated with the candidate.
It could be unlimited, so long as the number of people who could give unlimited contributions is also limited. This could jump start campaigns which we need.
Was there great corruption in 1968?
Congress actually institutionalized corruption in 1974.
And the other thing – contributions by small donors = leads to mass mailing hysteria or candidates spending a lot of time on the phone asking for relatively small donations (because it always works better when the candidate asks personally)
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 11/17/2023 @ 11:25 amThat is the role of civil society organizations, such as churches, charities, schools, political and religious leaders, etc. not the government. There is nothing the government can do to change people’s behavior. People will always be intolerant and hateful to varying degrees. It’s human nature.
One could use this exact argument to oppose civil rights laws.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/17/2023 @ 11:37 amprobably could be convinced if Israel goes all Romans-to-Carthage on Gaza.
There are people who want to destroy Gaza and move its population — into other countries or at least down the road into Egypt. Would not help eliminate rockets.
Netanyahu has said that Gaza needs to be demilitarized and needs to be deradicallized. And Israel doesn’t want to rule it except for security.
And the Palestinian Authority, which, according to t=many countries should be ruling Gaza is not suitable. An the U.S.. agrees at this point. I think the Biden Administration hopes that can be worked out and anyway it wouldn’t be the first day. Anyway Mahammad Abbas refuses to take Gaza unless he can also get East Jerusalem and a few other impossibilities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ransom_of_Red_Chief
The US also wants Gaza and the Palestinian ruled areas of the West Bank to be one country with no unmpeded passage between them – this is what happens when you pace theory above reality.
Netanyahu says the PA is not suitable (even as a civil authority) because it has not yet condemned the October 7 attacks and still pays money to killers. Biden and Blinken apparently think this will be no real obstacle, at least after a short time.
It’s unresolved right now. A UN sponsored relief group? Maybe they can get a Willy Brandt type to return from exile.
Oh. Israel has warned Nasrullah (Hezbollah) that of they start up, Lebanon could look like Gaza)
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Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 11/17/2023 @ 11:40 amThe way that reports of donors to California’s Prop 8 were used, from getting a waitress fired to driving a CEO out of his industry, shows what the problems with making petty contributions public.
And really, who is corrupted by a donation to advocates of an initiative? Only those donating, oh, 1% or more of the total donations need to be reported as the ONLY public interest is “cui bono?”
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/17/2023 @ 11:41 amNetanyahu says the PA is not suitable (even as a civil authority) because it has not yet condemned the October 7 attacks and still pays money to killers.
Make it a Saudi protectorate. Saudi has wealth to rebuild, Saudi has stability, Saudi needs to curry favor in the Arab (and western) world, and lastly they have assets that would be at risk should they allow terrorism to continue.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/17/2023 @ 11:44 amAnd the hospital or its underground – which has had its subbasements hidden from the first level tunnels – is not the last bastion of Hamas. They fled. And they were never much upstairs anyway. Although there are traces.
The IDF is trying to figure out where they are and where they went and where the entrances to bottom floors are.
They had a lot of notice and a long time to disappear. And the tunnels connect.
And they may have some secret hideaway that Israel doesn’t know about.
They found the torso of the woman whose head was discovered some time ago and also another dead woman
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 11/17/2023 @ 11:45 amThe news story I read earloer said that he died on Monday – and he fell backward on Saturday so that would be more than.
I am a bit surprised how typical the leader of the demonstrators (who hit him with the megaphone resulting in him falling and hitting his head on the pavement) was – A college professor.
Kessler was 69 years old and probably trying to hold on to his flag and his reflexes weren’t that fast and his body too vulnerable and he didn’t know how to fall – but attackers take their victims as they find them.
Kessler used to wrote lots of letters to the editor to some local publication in Twin Oaks California.
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 11/17/2023 @ 11:57 amThe report I saw also said that there was evidence of a blow to Kessler’s face, possibly what caused him to fall backwards. He may have been stunned or unconscious when he fell.
I think that the charge of involuntary manslaughter is weak, given that he was struck and struck hard, with intent. I’d look at it as a death in a bar fight. Unintentional death, but intentional violence leading to death.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 11/17/2023 @ 12:05 pmPrivate organizations do not enforce constitutional rights.
Rip Murdock (c20088) — 11/17/2023 @ 12:15 pmKevin M (ed969f) — 11/17/2023 @ 12:05 pm
he was conscious. he was worried that some teeth had been knocked out. But his skull was crcked and he got worse.
With intent to hurt him, and it was an illegal act. The professor jumping in to see what Kessler’s condition was probably acted to make it at least look like he didn’t intend to cause that result.
That’s what it was. Except it was no fight.
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 11/17/2023 @ 12:19 pmHow about some concern for the palestinian american boy stabbed to death too! Concern for the palestinian premature babies huddled together for warmth as they slowly die at the al shifa hospital would be good too!
asset (044cdb) — 11/17/2023 @ 2:24 pm@489
And the other point that Kevin is ignoring is that Government cannot infringe on constitutional rights by proxy.
whembly (5f7596) — 11/17/2023 @ 2:31 pm@491
Of course that’s horrible.
That land owner should be prosecuted to the fullest extent.
Those babies were put in danger by Hamas.
Hamas, and its ideologies, is untenable for Israel and thus must be destroyed.
whembly (5f7596) — 11/17/2023 @ 2:34 pm