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10/13/2023

Weekend Open Thread

Filed under: General — Dana @ 9:12 am



[guest post by Dana]

Let’s go!

First news item

Asking the question; nothing but crickets:

Egypt, Jordan, I mean, Qatar, the UAE, Saudi Arabia, all these countries that prepare–that talk about how much they care about the Palestinians, they could help right now. They could help the Palestinians escape. They could say okay, stop bombing and we will go in there and we will help Gaza, like, become a thriving society. They could do all sorts of things. They have money, by the way. Where are they?

Of course we already know the answer…

Second news item

No House speaker in sight yet :

House Majority Leader Steve Scalise (R-LA) dropped out of the race for the House speakership on Thursday after failing to secure enough votes…

“Our conference still has to come together and it’s not there. There are still some people that have their own agendas and I was very clear, we have to have everybody put their agendas on the side and focus on what this country needs. This country is counting on us to come back together. This House of Representatives needs a speaker and we need to open up the House again.”

Just how bad are things in the House? Brett Baier of Fox News tells us:

“I’ve talked to a lot of people up there, you know, private conversations on background,” Baier said. “A number of them told me crazy things, saying that probably Jesus of Nazareth could not get 217 votes right now.”

Thus, Republicans are turning to Democrats for help.

Third news item

“Global Day of Jihad”:

The former leader of Hamas, Khaled Meshaal, called for Muslims across the globe to head to the squares and streets this Friday and protest in support of Palestinians and for neighboring countries to join the battle against Israel.

In a recorded statement sent to Reuters, Meshaal is heard saying, “[We must] head to the squares and streets of the Arab and Islamic world on Friday.”

In his statement, he told Muslims the people and government officials in Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Jordan have a responsibility to support Palestinians, as the vast majority of Palestinian refugees call Jordan and Lebanon home.

“Tribes of Jordan, sons of Jordan, brothers and sisters of Jordan…This is a moment of truth and the borders are close to you, you all know your responsibility…To all scholars who teach jihad… to all who teach and learn, this is a moment for the application (of theories),” Meshaal said.

Meshaal‘a comments are being taken seriously:

Local and federal law enforcement agencies across the U.S. are stepping up their patrols of Jewish houses of worship, Jewish-owned businesses and Israeli diplomatic buildings as calls for attacks on the Jewish community in the U.S. intensify online.

Fourth news item

Yes:

Belgium, where most frozen Russian central bank assets are held, expects to collect 2.3 billion euros ($2.4 billion) in taxes on the assets and use them to help reconstruct Ukraine, a spokesperson for Belgium’s prime minister said on October 11. The European Union and the Group of Seven (G7) have been discussing whether they could use the interest paid on more than 300 billion euros of frozen Russian public money to fund Ukraine. The European Commission said in July it would present a proposal on whether there was a legally sound way to use the funds once the G7 agreed.

Fifth news item

Good:

The United States and Qatar have agreed to block Iran’s access to $6 billion in funds recently transferred to the nation as part of a deal between Washington and Tehran that led to the release of five imprisoned Americans from Iran last month.

Wally Adeyemo, the deputy Treasury secretary, told House Democrats on Thursday that Iran would no longer have access to the funds, according to a person familiar with the matter. The money was under close supervision and strict conditions that it be used only for humanitarian purposes.

The move comes amid harsh criticism, mainly from Republicans, that the Biden administration gave Iran access to a vast sum that freed up other funds for Tehran to provide support to Hamas before its attack on Israel over the weekend.

Sixth news item

But of course:

Irate in the wake of a brutal assault by Hamas fighters that has pushed Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and President Joe Biden together, Donald Trump is lashing out with pointed criticism of Netanyahu and his government.

An adviser to Netanyahu said there had been no outreach by Trump in the wake of the attacks. Instead, Trump has leveled repeated broadsides at the leader of a close U.S. ally in remarks on the campaign trail as he seeks a return to the White House.

He’s pissed off because Bibi praised Biden and the Biden White House for being supportive,” said a former Trump adviser, referring to Netanyahu by his nickname.

Seventh news item

Israel’s heads-up :

Palestinians began a mass exodus from northern Gaza Friday after Israel’s military told some 1 million people to evacuate toward the southern part of the besieged territory, an unprecedented order ahead of an expected ground invasion against the ruling Hamas militant group.

The U.N. warned that so many people fleeing en masse — almost half the Gaza population — would be calamitous, and it urged Israel to reverse the order. Families in cars, trucks and donkey carts packed with blankets and possessions streamed down a main road out of Gaza City, the biggest city, even as Israeli strikes hammered neighborhoods in southern Gaza.

This is tragic, no matter how you look at it. There will be collateral damage in great numbers. Maybe Hamas should release the hostages, stop using civilians, including children as shields, stop commandeering and destroying necessary Palestinian infrastructure for their own terroristic uses, and most importantly, stop trying to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.

—Dana

515 Responses to “Weekend Open Thread”

  1. Good morning.

    Dana (699203)

  2. That’s our Donnie! His foreign policy is “Do you like me? Do you really, really like me?”

    nk (fcebe2)

  3. Thus, Republicans are turning to Democrats for help.

    LOL!

    As I said earlier, if Mike Rogers wants a favor from the Democrats, blaming them for “(putting) us in this ditch” by voting against McCarthy as Speaker is not the way to go about it. What does Rogers think the role of a minority party should be-bail out the majority for a stupid decision? If Rogers was serious, it should be the Republicans offering concessions first, to entice the Democrats to agree, not the other way around. If the roles were reversed there is no way Republicans would bail out Nancy Pelosi. Either way the price will be high. It is to laugh-the Republicans should be able to figure this out on their own.

    Mike McCaul is correct when he says the Speaker Pro Tem should be granted additional powers to actually run the House-Republicans can do that on their own.

    While some say that SPT can unilaterally assert powers and dare the House to override his decisions, that is not the way American democracy is supposed to be run.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  4. They have money, by the way. Where are they?

    Up until the Six-Day War, Gaza was run by Egypt and the West Bank by Jordan. Afterwards, neither country was involved. Over the next few years, the PLO became the official voice of the Palestinians and every Arab country refused to challenge them. The Arab League formally established the PLO’s primacy in 1974. From Wikipedia:

    The Palestine Liberation Organization is recognized by the Arab League as “the sole and legitimate representative of the Palestinian people”, and by the United Nations as “the representative of the Palestinian people”

    Now, we have the PLO offshoot called the “Palestinian Authority” of which Hamas was the faction that ruled Gaza. Israel, having rooted out terrorists in 2005, abandoned Gaza to the PLO and they in turn abandoned it to Hamas. Israel has no interest in ruling Gaza, but they must be searching for someone responsible who will.

    The obvious candidate is Egypt, but there are at least three problems with that.

    * Egypt doesn’t want to do it
    * Egypt is broke
    * In a war, Egypt is too close

    The only country in the area that is Sunni, stable, wealthy, hostile to terrorists, and can enforce order is Saudi Arabia. They also have immense international connections and alliances with the West. Their new ruler, MBS, has large international ambitions and perhaps some Karma to reclaim.

    But that will have to wait until Israel kills Hamas. Saudi will let Isreal be the bad guy while supporting the Gazans with words, or perhaps humanitarian aid. Afterwards, they will look toward rapprochement again, and helping Gaza recover would be a good balance in the Arab world.

    In the long run, the answer for Gaza is economic development and integration into the region. The politics of anger and resentment (and for some, violence) are driven by poverty and oppression and despair. MBS has really ambitious plans for the post-oil era and there is no reason why Gaza can’t be part of it.

    Left unsaid is what happens on the West Bank, something that Israel continues to make difficult with the settlements.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  5. What I would like to see is the Democrats return McCarthy as Speaker, with an understanding that he will distance himself from Trump and the Gaetz faction. Win-Win.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  6. While some say that SPT can unilaterally assert powers and dare the House to override his decisions, that is not the way American democracy is supposed to be run.

    First, the job was created for continuance-of-government purposes, so there was already the idea that the job would be powerful.

    Second, the chairperson of any body running on Robert’s Rules (or anything of that sort, like the Senate) can make rulings to further business, subject to being overruled by a simple majority of members.

    This is not undemocratic in the least, and is fully within long-held Western tradition.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  7. That’s our Donnie! His foreign policy is “Do you like me? Do you really, really like me?”

    And “Will you steal me some land so I can build a GREAT hotel?!”

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  8. Palestinians began a mass exodus from northern Gaza Friday

    Hamas is telling them not to leave. “Defy Israel” and such. They’d threaten to attack those leaving, but there’s too many and they’d get killed trying. I guess Hamas could try to blend in, but their weapons would be a giveaway, and they’d have to leave their hiding places and armories.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  9. What I would like to see is the Democrats return McCarthy as Speaker, with an understanding that he will distance himself from Trump and the Gaetz faction. Win-Win.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/13/2023 @ 10:06 am

    LOL! As if-not gonna happen. McCarthy can’t even criticize Trump’s remarks about Netanyahu and Hezbollah. And McCarthy has endorsed Jim Jordan.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  10. What I would like to see is the Democrats return McCarthy as Speaker……

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/13/2023 @ 10:06 am

    What concessions should the Republicans make for Democratic votes?

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  11. And McCarthy doesn’t want to be Speaker:

    McCarthy added that he rebuffed an effort during a GOP conference meeting to reinstate him as speaker and urged backers to rescind it.

    “Just like the last time, I asked them not to,” he said.

    Been there, done that.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  12. I don’t see the Democrats helping, actually.

    ‘Never interfere with your enemy when he is destroying himself.’ and the House’s crazy fascists are doing just that to the party. Jeffries will happily wait until 2024 for his 50-seat majority.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  13. The obvious candidate is Egypt, but there are at least three problems with that.

    I was listening to The Editors podcast on NRO, and Noah Rothman pointed out that the border between Gaza and Egypt is even more tightly regulated than the border between Gaza and Israel. So clearly the Egyptian government wants nothing to do with their Palestinian brothers.

    JVW (1ad43e)

  14. What concessions should the Republicans make for Democratic votes?

    Impeach Trump again, this time for his recklessness with documents. It’s a valid case.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  15. I don’t see the Democrats helping, actually.

    ‘Never interfere with your enemy when he is destroying himself.’ and the House’s crazy fascists are doing just that to the party. Jeffries will happily wait until 2024 for his 50-seat majority.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/13/2023 @ 10:22 am

    This has been my point all along, even though posters here keep suggesting Democrats must help the Republicans find a Speaker.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  16. This has been my point all along, even though posters here keep suggesting Democrats must help the Republicans find a Speaker.

    Given the narrow House majority, the Democrats would be shrewd to cut a deal where they help elect a new GOP Speaker in return for getting equal representation on House Committees and implementing a rule for the rest of this Congress that the majority must bring up legislation from the minority for a vote. But given that Democrats probably don’t really want any legislative responsibilities at this time, it likely makes more political sense for them to make the GOP work it out for themselves.

    JVW (1ad43e)

  17. I’m not sure the GOP is organized enough to negotiate with the DEMs…or unified in what exactly they would be willing to give up for DEM votes or for DEMs voting present. But obviously none of us is in the room. Although, with the rejection of Scalise, that tells me there’s no interest in coming together yet. And there’s no urgency despite the international crises and budget cliff. The GOP is unrecognizable. I’m not sure we can afford to have one of our major parties be THIS dysfunctional.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  18. Egypt has a big deep wall next to Gaza, prefers Israel as a neighbor Jordan would rather have Israel as a neighbor than Palestine. Lebanon is dominated by the power of Hezbollah, but would probably otherwise choose Israel as a neighbor over Palestine. Syria is a mess because of inbred leadership and the welcoming of the poisonous snakes from Iran (see Lebanon) or they’d probably prefer Israel as a neighbor to Palestine. The Saudi’s seem to prefer sharing the Gulf of Aqaba with Israel despite the recent posturing.

    There is that old saying: When life gives you lemons, make lemonade. If you give the Palestinians lemons, sugar, and water they sell the sugar and then eat the lemons like an apple because they are near terminally addicted to bitterness. They also say that in order to have friends, you need to be a friend. Name one country in the Islamic world that considers Palestinians to be their friends. They don’t. They support Palestinians out of a duty to protect fellow believers.

    steveg (1616a6)

  19. #15

    As an observation, at some point, there does need to be a budget passed or, more likely, a CR. Dems do want this, and they won’t get it unless the House can function. That requires the GOP to actually get a speaker candidate through somehow. As long as the GOP anarchists continue their behavior, it will become more likely the Dems will provide a helping hand with a few conditions.

    Jim Jordan won’t be the guy. He’s pretty despised. Which makes sense because he is despicable.

    Appalled (03f53c)

  20. First news item

    Asking the question; nothing but crickets:

    Egypt, Jordan, I mean, Qatar, the UAE, Saudi Arabia, all these countries that prepare–that talk about how much they care about the Palestinians, they could help right now. They could help the Palestinians escape. They could say okay, stop bombing and we will go in there and we will help Gaza, like, become a thriving society. They could do all sorts of things. They have money, by the way. Where are they?

    I know this is rhetorical… but the real reason is that they don’t want to.

    Hamas is the Palestinian wing of the Muslim Brotherhood who hates the current leadership of those nations. With Lebanon and Syrian, in the past, let these Palestinians reside in their country, only to have Palestinians foment civil unrest in those countries.

    It would be like asking the Russians to come in and help Kiev, Ukraine rebuild.

    whembly (5f7596)

  21. Given the narrow House majority, the Democrats would be shrewd to cut a deal where they help elect a new GOP Speaker in return for getting equal representation on House Committees and implementing a rule for the rest of this Congress that the majority must bring up legislation from the minority for a vote.

    I agree, but they would also probably demand an end to Biden’s impeachment, which would be non-negotiable.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  22. I would take Rep. Scott over Jordan and Scalise, the two fascists who supported overturning popular votes in states.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  23. #21

    Of course they’d ask for an end to impeachment follies. They will probably demand the one vote rule goes as well.

    The longer this goes on, the less non-negotiable these demands seem. 5 moderate Republicans can turn the House to the Dems. It starts looking tempting if you are in a Biden majority district and you can cut a deal. Sure more tempting than Jim Jordan whoopin and hollarin as speaker and more flailing about regarding not wanting to fund the government.

    Appalled (03f53c)

  24. Trump Civil Litigation Watch:

    The Trump Organization’s former chief financial officer Allen Weisselberg’s testimony reached an abrupt and unexpected end on Thursday afternoon, just hours after Forbes magazine accused the convicted tax cheat of perjuring himself during an earlier stint as a witness.

    Weisselberg insisted on Tuesday from the witness stand that he “never focused” on calculating the square footage of the former president’s Trump Tower triplex, a three-floor penthouse in his namesake skyscraper.

    Two days later, on Thursday, Forbes reported that emails not currently in the attorney general’s possession show otherwise.
    ……….
    On Tuesday, Weisselberg kept trying to distance himself from Trump’s false computation of his triplex at 30,000 square feet instead of 10,996 square feet, repeatedly claiming “never” to have focused on the topic.

    Forbes senior editor Dan Alexander wrote that his old emails and reporter notes contradict those denials, pointing out in his story that “Weisselberg absolutely thought about Trump’s apartment—and played a key role in trying to convince Forbes over the course of several years that it was worth more than it really was.”
    ………

    Related:

    The New York attorney general’s office came down hard Thursday on a key witness during testimony at the Trump civil fraud trial in Manhattan, impeaching his credibility by suggesting his loyalty has been purchased by Donald Trump.

    The witness, former Trump Organization CFO Allen Weisselberg, is almost half-way through collecting the installments of a two-year, $2 million severance package, testimony has already shown.

    On Thursday, his second day on the stand, Weisselberg said it was just a “coincidence” that this $2 million golden parachute matches, almost to the dollar, the $2 million he’d had to pay in tax-fraud fines and interest last year. after a New York trial in which a prosecutor accused him of shading the truth on Trump’s behalf.

    “Is it just a coincidence that under this severance agreement, that you are being paid $2 million, which is almost the exact same amount” of last year’s tax-fraud fine, asked the lawyer, Louis M. Solomon, who heads James’ real-estate finance enforcement section.

    “Coincidence,” Weisselberg murmured in response.
    ………

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  25. I agree, but they would also probably demand an end to Biden’s impeachment, which would be non-negotiable.

    It would be a shame if the GOP lets that stop them. If I’m in House leadership, I’ll cut a deal to take impeachment off of the table until after the next election. The GOP can still make a very credible case about both Biden’s use of his office in unconstitutional ways and also the general sleaziness of the Biden Family and their peddling of influence for money. But it seems stupid for the House to spend any time in Election Year 2024 with an impeachment proceeding, no matter how much that may cheese the MAGA crowd.

    JVW (1ad43e)

  26. The longer this goes on, the less non-negotiable these demands seem. 5 moderate Republicans can turn the House to the Dems. It starts looking tempting if you are in a Biden majority district and you can cut a deal.

    How would this be for Machiavellian move: a dozen or so GOP “moderates” defect and elect Hakeem Jefferies speaker, then refuse to vote for the Democrat agenda thereby tying up House legislation next winter and spring. If they are skillful enough, they might also find a way to extract spending cuts and budgetary rescissions in the process of passing continuing resolutions, though that is probably too much to hope for.

    The only thing that the GOP would lose out on, it seems to me, is the committee majorities, so yeah, the Biden sleaze investigations would be off the table until after the 2024 elections. But as I wrote earlier, I think that’s a distraction from what could be a solid election message about just how incompetent and awful the Biden Administration agenda and management has been.

    JVW (1ad43e)

  27. Postponing impeachment until after the 2024 elections misses the whole point. Biden may not be reelected (for whatever reason) and the current impeachment process is designed to destroy any chance of that happening. What’s the point to impeaching Biden if he wins reelection (assuming the Republicans retain control)? It will only make the House Republicans look like sore losers.

    Speaking of the MAGA crowd, even Matt Gaetz and Matt Rosendale don’t think much of the current impeachment effort:

    ………
    At an invitation-only fundraiser held over Zoom last week, Gaetz, R-Fla., and Rosendale, who is said to be plotting another Senate run next year, heaped skepticism on the probe.

    “I don’t believe that we are endeavoring upon a legitimate impeachment of Joe Biden,” Gaetz told Steve Bannon, a podcaster and onetime political adviser to former President Donald Trump, who was moderating the discussion.

    “They’re trying to engage in a, like, ‘forever war’ of impeachment,” Gaetz said. “And like many of our forever wars, it will drag on forever and end in a bloody draw.”
    ………
    Rosendale likened Congress’ probe of Biden to the federal indictment of the president’s son Hunter, which critics say has been tainted by preferential treatment and argue is a “smokescreen” intended to deflect attention from more serious crimes they accuse Hunter Biden of having committed, like working for foreign interests to influence U.S. policy.

    “They’re doing the exact same thing,” Rosendale said.

    Gaetz said: “I just don’t get the sense that it’s for the sake of impeachment. I think it’s for the sake of having another bad thing to say about Joe Biden.”
    …………

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  28. JVW (1ad43e) — 10/13/2023 @ 12:09 pm

    How would this be for Machiavellian move: a dozen or so GOP “moderates” defect and elect Hakeem Jefferies speaker, then refuse to vote for the Democrat agenda thereby tying up House legislation next winter and spring.

    They won’t get any of the “Republican” agenda voted on, but that’s not going anywhere anyway. And they don’t have to vote for any Democrtic legislation they don’t want to. And could always remove the Speaker again.

    As for committees, the defectors could control them and they could have co-Chairmen like there was in the Senate last Congress.

    Best of all, the Republican Party might be spit enough to affect the 2024 presidential election.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  29. I think Israel does not have a good end game in Gaza.

    The evacuation recommendation is so they can flatten the northern part of Gaza. An Israeli general said early n that (he wants) to turn Gaza in acity of tents – demolish all buildings. That would be so that Hamas cannot store rockets there. It may be crazy.

    The siege will continue in full so long as Israeli prisoners are not relessed Hamas is claiming 13 died in Israeli bombings.

    The best thing would be a siege culminating in a negotiated surrender of Gaza after the cutoff of food, electricity and water is maintained for several weeks. Like Beirut in 1982.

    To whom Gaza should be surrendered to, I don’t know.

    But that’s what “neutrals” should be working on. That’s what would have happened in other wars..

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  30. RIP “Lost in Space” star Mark Goddard (87).

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  31. This is tragic, no matter how you look at it. There will be collateral damage in great numbers.

    Israel is careful when it comes to limiting the loss of life, but not about property.

    Gaza is on course to be bombed to the point where it will look like a gigantic earthquake hit it. Israel is really not ambitious enough. It needs to have a goal of getting completely rid of Hamas and Islamic Jihad. Then they might not have to destroy as much.

    Israel told people to leave via the Rafah border crossing to Egypt (of course only those with international connections can leave anyway) but that crossing was closed after some projectile created a big hole on the Gaza side. (Hamas claims Israel bombed it, but who knows what created it and why) The crossing is evidently still usable, but Egypt is keeping it closed.

    People are seeking shelter in what they believe to be non-targets, like UN buildings, which are getting overcrowded..

    The United States is trying to arrange for the evacuation of some 500 to 600 Gaza residents with U.S. citizenship and other countries are also trying to get their people out, but to no avail. +Hamas does not w
    want people to leave Gaza. It doesn’t even want people to leave areas which will be bombed to the ground in 24 hours. It’s telling them that is disinformation.

    Israel ordered Egypt to stop sending in some sort of humanitarian supplies. I suppose that will only delay the surrender – but it’s not being asked for yet. Israel is determined, at any rate, to remove Hamas from power. (by perhaps killing as many officials running it as it can) And get Gaza demilitarized – no more rockets.

    They are also using facial recognition software to identify those captures on video murdering Jews in Israel. Like video was used with the January 6 rioters only better.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  32. Evidently they’re going with Jordan.

    Wew lads.

    whembly (5f7596)

  33. JVW (1ad43e) — 10/13/2023 @ 10:23 am

    So clearly the Egyptian government wants nothing to do with their Palestinian brothers.

    Hamas is an offshoot or branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, which Sisi overthrew in 2013 before it had established dictatorial rule.

    Egypt doesn’t want its soldiers attacked, by Hamas or a splinter group, and the Muslim Brotherhood has a history of splintering so that they can try several different options..

    Sammy Finkelman (c5132f)

  34. #32

    We’ll see if that gets them 217.

    Appalled (8228cf)

  35. The most important thing that was concealed from mid-level people affiliated with Hezbollah and Hamas and Syria in Dubai was how far back planning for the pogrom in Israel went. They were telling the Wall Street Journal August.

    Documents were found on or left by the attackers that went back urther:

    https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/hamas-militants-had-detailed-maps-of-israeli-towns-military-bases-and-infiltration-routes-7fa62b05

    TEL AVIV—Hamas militants who flooded into southern Israel from Gaza last weekend carried detailed maps of the towns and military bases that they targeted. Some also carried tactical guides identifying weak spots on Israeli army armored vehicles.

    The documents, written in Arabic, were recovered from the sites of attacks or bodies of dead Hamas fighters by Israeli civilians, soldiers and emergency personnel and seen by The Wall Street Journal. Authorities are examining the trove, Israeli officials said….

    …More than 1,300 Israelis were killed in the attacks, which have deeply shaken the country’s sense of security and prompted Israel to declare war on Hamas.

    “They knew exactly what the targets were going to be,’” said Michael Milshtein, a former Israeli military intelligence officer and head of Palestinian Studies Forum at Tel Aviv University. “There is nothing close to this level of planning in any steps Hamas had done in the past.”

    One 14-page document labeled “top secret” in Arabic and dated June 15, 2023 describes a plan for infiltrating Mefalsim, a small collective community called a kibbutz, near Gaza and taking residents hostage.

    Two teams of five and a commander would carry out the operation on “Hour S, Day Y,” it reads.

    S is evidently the first etter of the Arabic word for hour and the sound of the first letter of the Arabic word for Day. Like D-Day and H-Hour in English

    Maps and aerial pictures of the town were contained in the document, which says there were 1,000 “civilians” guarded by a volunteer security force.

    It warned that Israeli troops stationed nearby could arrive at Mefalsim “within 3-5 minutes.” Members of the assault team were designated to open holes in a security fence, while others were to provide “artillery” fire, the document says. Once inside the force would take prisoners and hold them as hostages “for negotiations,” the plan reads.

    On Saturday, Mefalsim was attacked by squads of Hamas militants. However, according to Tamir Erez, 41, a resident, the kibbutz volunteer force was able to successfully fight back and no one was killed. Other nearby communities, such as Be’eri and Kfar Aza, suffered many casualties and hostages….

    ….Attackers killed in the town of Ofakim near Gaza, also were carrying maps and other documents, said Almog Cohen, a resident and a member of the Israeli Parliament, who took part in the fighting. A map found in one militant’s vest showed the attackers had targeted the town and knew its landmarks.

    “The map marks places with crowds, synagogues and kindergartens,” he said. “There were additional details on the maps that showed they had come prepared—more than prepared,” Cohen said, adding that the map had been turned over to Israel’s domestic security service, the Shin Bet.

    Another map recovered in southern Israel showed the locations and names in Arabic of other towns near Gaza that were attacked by militants, including Ein Hashlosha and Kisufim, along with a dotted red line and the notation “path of the northern platoon.”

    ….Hamas’s planning for Saturday’s attack began in 2021, when the militant group began closely studying Israel’s tactics and strategies, according to Abu Obaida, the spokesman for Hamas’s military wing, in a statement on its Telegram account Thursday. The result was already “more than we had planned,” he said.

    In another sign of sophisticated preparations, Hamas used drones to drop grenades on Israel’s observation towers and remotely operated machine guns, apparently depriving Israeli soldiers of at least parts of the extensive infrastructure for monitoring the border and responding to breaches of the security fence around Gaza.

    A video released by Hamas less than two hours after the initial attack began on Oct. 7 and independently verified by the Journal showed a drone flying over a tower along the Gaza fence and dropping a bomb on an unmanned machine gun.

    ….A volunteer group called “South First Responders” which has been helping to recover casualties and clear debris in the battle zone, has posted on social media materials found on the bodies of militants including maps, information on Israeli army units and their markings, and driving routes.

    Some of the recovered documents suggest Hamas believed it would face stiff military resistance from Israeli troops stationed along the border, analysts said.

    A one-page sheet was found with photographs of eight types of Israeli army armored personnel carriers, along with brief notations in Arabic about where to attack the vehicles and what explosives to employ to have the best chance of disabling them.

    The guidance offered in the document also suggests that some attackers had little experience against Israel’s formidable army and needed guidance about the weapons and tactics to use if they encountered armored vehicles.

    A separate document focused on purported “weak points” in the Israeli army’s main battle tank, the Merkava, advising that attackers should shoot “at it from a 50-meter distance using an RPG-7 or other direct weapons,” referring to a rocket-propelled grenade launcher.

    At least one Israeli tank was attacked and disabled during the initial hours of the attack.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  36. Jordan can’t get 217. And they can’t vote now because some Republicans have keft for the weekend.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  37. I don’t think Netanyahu wants any Hamas officials to be offered safe conduct out of Gaza, so it will hard to negotiate a surrender until most of them are dead.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  38. Maybe the Democrats will vote for Jordan, on the “give it to them, good and hard” principle.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  39. They’re just going through the motions with the nomination of Jim Jordan for Speaker. When that fails, it may make it slightly easier to come up with another name. Jorden was earlier prepared to nominate Scalese on the floor of the House. Did that happen?

    Sammy Finkelman (c5132f)

  40. Trump also doesn’t like, or chose to mention it for the first time now that he attacking Netanyahu, that Bibi Netanyahu pulled out of the operation to kill General Qasem Soleimani.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  41. steveg (1616a6) — 10/13/2023 @ 10:45 am

    Lebanon is dominated by the power of Hezbollah, but would probably otherwise choose Israel as a neighbor over Palestine.

    Lebanon was forced to tear up a peace treaty with Israel in 1982. Now Hezbollah as a veto over government policy.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  42. I agree, but they would also probably demand an end to Biden’s impeachment, which would be non-negotiable.

    They could compromise: Impeach Trump, too. The classified information crap keeps getting worse, and that is a fine reason for impeachment.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  43. Jordan was earlier prepared to nominate Scalise on the floor of the House. Did that happen?

    He claimed to support Scalise, but I’d bet that he wasn’t fully on board there.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  44. The real question is: after Israel leaves again, who picks up the pieces? Israel is not well served by 2 million people living amid abject desolation. People with nothing to live for sometimes decide to take someone with them.

    So, they have to allow someone to take over, but it can’t be just anyone, e.g. Iran, and it should be someone with the money to make things a lot better than even before.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  45. 4 Democratic centrists to McHenry: Let’s make a deal

    ………..
    Specifically, the Democrats are proposing to let McHenry bring up any emergency aid for Ukraine or Israel, a short-term bill that extends government funding through Jan. 11, or general consideration of fiscal 2024 spending bills. Those powers should be limited to 15-day increments, they proposed, with extensions possible if the House GOP continues to remain without a leader.

    In exchange, the Democratic quartet suggested, their party would be allowed to fill up 50 percent of the House’s suspension calendar — which is reserved for noncontroversial bills and requires two-thirds votes for passage, not simple majorities.

    The letter, led by Rep. Josh Gottheimer (D-N.J.), is an olive branch to a sputtering House GOP that has reached its 10th day without a speaker. ……..

    The letter’s other signatories were Reps. Ed Case (D-Hawaii), Susie Lee (D-Nev.) and Jared Golden (D-Maine.). All four are leaders of the bipartisan Problem Solvers Caucus, whose members briefly discussed a possible way out of former Speaker Kevin McCarthy’s government funding bind last month.
    ……….

    Related:

    On the support for Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) on the secret ballot, Rep. Byron Donalds (R-Fla.) said, “I thought it would be higher.”

    More than 50 Republicans voted against Jordan.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  46. There is another possibility for Israel, one that would normally be unbelievable but isn’t now given the extremists at high posts in the Netanyahu cabinet: This was a Reichstag fire. They knew this was coming, and allowed it for their own purposes, namely the annexation of the West Bank and Gaza, followed by expulsion of Arab residents.

    It that scenario, I’d expect a wider war, one which Israel is forced to decide that they can never be safe with any Palestinian presence. Hope I’m wrong.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  47. More than 50 Republicans voted against Jordan.

    More than 80.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  48. Post 45 should have been blockquoted above the word “Related.” Sorry.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  49. The real question is: after Israel leaves again, who picks up the pieces? Israel is not well served by 2 million people living amid abject desolation. People with nothing to live for sometimes decide to take someone with them

    Israel will need to install a puppet regime run from Jerusalem.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  50. Reannex Gaza and turn it into a beach resort.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  51. A

    lthough Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) clinched the majority to become speaker-designate, it remains unclear whether he has the 217 votes needed to actually wield the gavel. What isn’t helping him in terms of garnering broader support is how his allies have behaved. According to two people familiar with the matter, Jordan allies threatened vulnerable Republicans representing districts that President Biden won in 2020, telling them that if they don’t vote for the Judiciary Committee chairman behind closed doors, they will get primaried. The threat was a huge turnoff for some moderates, who vowed never to support him.

    Source

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  52. @50

    Reannex Gaza and turn it into a beach resort.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/13/2023 @ 2:41 pm

    And where will the Gazan go? West Bank?

    whembly (5f7596)

  53. Israel will need to install a puppet regime run from Jerusalem.

    Who will stop them from being hanged?

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  54. And where will the Gazan go? West Bank?

    whembly (5f7596) — 10/13/2023 @ 2:58 pm

    They can work at the resorts.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  55. Reannex Gaza and turn it into a beach resort.

    This is what the Irgun and Lehi remnants have always wanted: ethnic cleansing on the West Bank and Gaza. Now they have their moment.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  56. Horrific story of how bad policy implementation delivered results at odd with the admirable goal of protecting the unborn from harmful choices the mother might make.

    Time123 (58bde4)

  57. May Private Employers Fire (or Refuse to Hire) Employees Because of Their Praise of Hamas (or Praise of Israel)?

    In recent days, we’ve seen some employers saying they’d refuse to hire people based on those people’s praise of the Hamas attack on Israel (or at least certain kinds of praise)……..
    ……….
    Likewise, one can imagine other employers refusing to hire people based on those people’s hypothetical praise of various kinds of Israeli retaliation against the attack. Is that legal, at least for private employers?
    ……….
    There is no general constitutional right of employers to refuse to hire people whose statements or actions are “profoundly in conflict with [the employer’s] values as a firm.” ………
    ……….
    ……….To my knowledge, all or nearly all states also forbid firing an employee based on how a person voted in various elections, however much that vote profoundly conflicts with the employer’s values. Indeed, some states make such discrimination based on how a person voted a felony.

    Likewise, a considerable number of states and some counties, cities, and territories ban discrimination based on various kinds of political activity, or speech more broadly (though a considerable number don’t). The California statutes protecting private employees from retaliation for their “political activity,” for instance, have been read as banning discrimination in firing or hiring based on an employee’s “espousal of a candidate or a cause,” including broad ideological causes and not just ballot measures.
    ………..
    ………..New York law also bans employment discrimination based on off-duty, uncompensated “recreational activities,” defined to mean “any lawful, leisure-time activity … which is generally engaged in for recreational purposes, including but not limited to sports, games, hobbies, exercise, reading and the viewing of television, movies and similar material.” Would that extend to posting about current events on Facebook or Twitter? That’s not clear……..

    Now what if the employer argues that the employee’s or prospective employee’s speech is so offensive to clients or coworkers that it undermines the employer’s business? The laws also appear to vary as to that. Recall that, for instance, an employer can’t raise such objections as a defense to firing employees based on their religious values; however much your customers may disapprove of Satanists or evangelical Christians or Orthodox Jews or Sunni Muslims, you can’t use that as a basis for rejecting the employee.
    ………..

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  58. Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/13/2023 @ 3:01 pm

    Trump Gaza Beach Resort

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  59. This is what the Irgun and Lehi remnants have always wanted: ethnic cleansing on the West Bank and Gaza. Now they have their moment.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/13/2023 @ 3:06 pm

    I never said anything about ethnic cleansing, to the contrary I expect Gaza Beach resorts will provide hundreds of jobs for Gazans.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  60. Israel is not well served by 2 million people living amid abject desolation. People with nothing to live for sometimes decide to take someone with them.

    This. Never leave somebody with nothing to lose.

    nk (f57bac)

  61. Never leave somebody with nothing to lose.

    nk (f57bac) — 10/13/2023 @ 3:22 pm

    That describes the Palestinians for the last 50 years.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  62. Yeah.

    nk (f57bac)

  63. There it is. But will it make a difference to anyone who believes that Osrael is always the enemy?

    Documents exclusively obtained by NBC News show that Hamas created detailed plans to target elementary schools and a youth center in the Israeli kibbutz of Kfar Sa’ad, to “kill as many people as possible,” seize hostages and quickly move them into the Gaza Strip.

    The attack plans, which are labeled “top secret” in Arabic, appear to be orders for two highly trained Hamas units to surround and infiltrate villages and target places where civilians, including children, gather

    Dana (ed482f)

  64. US intelligence warned biden of hamas attacks on sept.28 , oct.5 from Israeli intelligence ;but netanyahu said he had know warning! (DU) Some one is lying.

    asset (c00777)

  65. Jim Jordan won’t be the guy. He’s pretty despised. Which makes sense because he is despicable.

    Appalled (03f53c) — 10/13/2023 @ 10:46 am

    And why should conservatives negotiate with you? You talk worse about them than the Hamas supporting leftists.

    NJRob (09f7d9)

  66. #65

    NJRob —

    It isn’t me that Jordan or his supporters have to negotiate with. It’s with the 50 no votes among the Republicans.

    There are some pretty ugly stories about Jordan’s conduct in this race, which I imagine you have seen. He’s stirred up real hatred from members of his tribe. Will the GOP folks get over it? Depends if they want to reward bad behavior from the Freedom Caucus or not.

    Appalled (88914d)

  67. Jordan is Trump’s catspaw, and Trump wants to shut down the government.

    Negotiate? What? Defunding the DOJ? Imposing Reconstruction on the State of New York and Fulton County, Georgia?

    nk (dcdf9b)

  68. Wishcasting About For A Solution:

    ……….
    A bipartisan solution to the GOP’s leadership chaos still sounds farfetched to most on the Hill — but then, so does the idea that Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) might overcome his dozens of skeptics and win a floor vote early next week.
    ……….
    Some self-described GOP pragmatists have suggested that if Republicans can’t chart a course on their own, they could cut a deal with Democrats to break the 10-day impasse.

    “At some point we have to do a bipartisan deal. I mean, they don’t want to acknowledge it, but these guys do not want to govern,” Rep. Don Bacon (R-Neb.) said of his own party’s conservatives.

    But as desperation creeps into the GOP while Jordan pushes to lock down the gavel, it’s clear that any attempt to further empower a caretaker speaker would fall short within their own party. McHenry has indicated that his future role as acting speaker is up to his colleagues to settle — even as the Nov. 17 shutdown deadline draws closer and Israel seeks U.S. aid — but his fellow Republicans simply can’t agree on anything.

    Rep. Max Miller (R-Ohio) stood up in a closed-door GOP meeting on Thursday to propose empowering a fill-in speaker for 90 days in a bid to prevent weeks of further havoc in the chamber. Miller, one of two Jewish Republicans in Congress, suggested allowing the House to resume business, according to two people granted anonymity to recount the private discussions.

    Inside the room, however, the idea ran into a wall of resistance. As Rep. Rich McCormick (R-Ga.) later described the scene: “It wasn’t well received. That’s not what the conference wants.”
    ……….
    ……….Any maneuver to empower McHenry would face plenty of resistance from conservatives, many of whom see the Financial Services chair as little more than an extension of McCarthy. One Freedom Caucus member privately remarked that if McHenry is given more sway, “Kevin is ultimately going to be running the show.”

    Rep. Anna Paulina Luna (R-Fla.) put it this way about McHenry: “Really cool guy … terrible negotiator.”

    It’s also an idea that many corners of the Democratic Party won’t like.

    Former Speaker Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), for one, was clear that it is the GOP’s “responsibility” to elect their own speaker before reopening the House floor, adding: “It’s up to them. It’s up to them to get their act together.”

    There’s another problem: McHenry himself isn’t on board with the plan, according to multiple lawmakers………

    Instead, McHenry is privately telling Republicans that he believes he is in a temporary role meant to guide the conference to a new leader, joking that he is speaker number “55.5” — acting only as the bridge between McCarthy and his successor.
    ………..

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  69. Pedo “GYM” Jordan now new speaker.

    asset (9f51c1)

  70. It says a lot that a majority of Republicans would vote to hand the office of Speaker to a man who is facing credible allegations that, when he was an assistant coach, he turned a blind eye to reports from team members that the team doctor was abusing him.

    That Republicans in the House believe such a person should be running the House shows that those particular Republicans haven’t the slightest grasp of morality.

    aphrael (8c85c9)

  71. Aphrael,

    take your credibly accused and shove it. The left pulled that game to steal an election in Alaska. You tried to destroy multiple Supreme Court Justices with this bollocks. It’s always about power to the left. And they don’t care who they destroy to get it.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  72. Take care of the anti-Semites in your own caucus and society aphrael.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  73. Pedo “GYM” Jordan now new speaker.

    asset (9f51c1) — 10/13/2023 @ 5:20 pm

    No, he’s not, and he’s unlikely to be Speaker.

    Rip Murdock (d353df)

  74. The allegations about Jordan have been around for years, they are from people who are known to have been victims of a man who has been prosecuted.

    There is no reason to believe the men in question are lying.

    But you’d rather not believe the victims because their stories are inconvenient for you. The men must be lying if they dare accuse a man you like, right?

    Your defense of him on this is despicable.

    aphrael (8c85c9)

  75. Yeah, Jordan probably never reported a black man for looking at white women, either.

    For the party of Gerry Studds and Barney Frank to malign Jordan for not helping snitch out an accused pederast (or is that ephebophile?) seems like bearded Spock universe to me.

    And Jordan is not a man I like.

    nk (601197)

  76. Aphrael,

    I love how you avoid talking about the anti-Semites on your side, but love to claim that Jordan is guilty by association. It’s what I expect from the left. By any means necessary.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  77. Eyal Waldman, the Israeli high-tech magnate, astounded the tech industry and the entire Arab world by creating research and development centers in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, all while employing hundreds of Palestinian developers. On Saturday, Hamas murdered his daughter Danielle.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  78. https://nypost.com/2023/10/12/hamas-horror-quickly-reveals-the-bigots-in-our-midst/

    On Sunday, just 24 hours after the atrocities, Hamas terrorists were still killing Jews in Israel.

    And radical extremists were gathering in Times Square to celebrate their actions.

    I went over to Times Square to see that “pro-Palestine” rally.

    But it wasn’t “pro-Palestine.”

    It was just pro-massacre.

    One woman in a headscarf stood in front of the crowd proudly waving a homemade sign.

    It read “Zionist nightmares” and then listed the date in 1973 when all of Israel’s neighbors tried to wipe it out, and then 10/07/23.

    The date of last Saturday.

    The date when Hamas terrorists machine-gunned young people and shot pensioners at bus stops.

    “Long live the Intifada” this hideous woman’s sign concluded, with a Palestinian flag.

    And wow, was she pleased with herself, as she cheered and punched her fist in the air.

    Israel had not made one military strike in retaliation at this point.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  79. https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/10/13/mccarthy-jim-jordan-will-get-the-votes-for-house-speaker/

    Representative Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) said Friday on CNN’s “The Lead” that he believed Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) will get the votes to be the next speaker of the House.

    Reporter Manu Raju said, “Can Jim Jordan continue to run here?”

    McCarthy said, “Yes, yes.”

    Raju said, “He only got 152 votes.”

    McCarthy said, “Yeah, but he’ll get there. I don’t see a problem with him not getting there. I think look, people have been here a long time. We’ve now elected a speaker designee and I think people can go home and be with their family and come back. He will be able to talk to those dozen we’ll be able to get there.”

    Raju said, “What makes you so confident? More than 50 votes? What is he going to have to do?”

    McCarthy said, “I’ve been through this many times and see where we’re at and where the conference is. Steve only had 110. 155 is a lot more than 110. Steve thought he would start at 150. That’s why I thought he had a challenge. He was in a much stronger position. I came in, I had 180 some. We had struggles. So I think I was more than Paul, he had less than that or something. Pelosi had less. I see it coming together.”

    He added, “I don’t think it will take 15 rounds I think he will be able to get it in the first one.”

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  80. “Here’s the thing: nothing anyone has ever done to you, or could ever do to you, would cause you to do these things [that Hamas has done].

    “No territorial dispute would cause you to butcher babies. No squabble over territory would cause you to rape and abduct women. No so-called occupation would cause you to kidnap entire families or burn them alive in their homes. The only type of person who would do something like that is a person who isn’t like you…a person who does not value life or children or decency the same way that you do; a person who might proclaim for example that they love death like you love life … the kind of person who might call for killing their own children to wipe out the Jews…they’re willing to commit the worst atrocities since the Nazis and then post them online and celebrate them…

    “Hamas is not like you.”

    —Ben Shapiro

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  81. Ben shapiro is not like me either. 80 palestinian women and children have been killed in a Israeli attack UN evacuation convoy ordered out by Israel.

    asset (ac9993)

  82. https://www.thefp.com/p/marc-rowan-university-donors-close

    Marc Rowan: University Donors, Close Your Checkbooks
    Trustees, myself included, have sat in silence as our schools were taken over by ideologues. It’s time to wake up.

    By Marc Rowan

    While Hamas terrorists were slaughtering Israeli Jews, university administrators were figuring out how to spin it. Do not just take my word for it; read their statements. Across academia, administrators issued statements on behalf of their institutions expressing a repulsive moral equivalence between victims of terror and the perpetrators of that terror. The antisemitic rot in academia is unmistakable.

    At the University of Pennsylvania, where I sit on the Wharton School’s Board of Overseers, leaders have for too long allowed this kind of anti-Jewish hate, which sanitizes Hamas’s atrocities, to infect their campuses. There must be consequences.

    I call on all UPenn alumni and supporters who believe we are heading in the wrong direction to close their checkbooks until President Liz Magill and Chairman Scott Bok resign.

    UPenn President Elizabeth Magill and Board Chair Scott Bok permitted UPenn to sponsor this conference and failed to condemn its hate-filled calls for violence. This is not a matter of free speech, but University-sponsored hate speech.

    Words and ideas matter. They mattered in the motivation of Hamas terrorists slaughtering more than 1,000 innocent civilians and kidnapping more than a hundred in their goal to annihilate Jews. In our viral, online world it is especially dangerous when once-fringe ideologies receive a stamp of legitimacy–especially from our elite academic institutions, which hold a special place in our society. By sponsoring the spread of the violent ideologies expressed in the Palestine Writes conference, they normalize and give their imprimatur to what would otherwise be considered morally reprehensible.

    UPenn is not alone in allowing this culture of hate to become mainstream. It is true for universities across the country. And it’s long past time for donors to take notice. Ultimately, the direction of these institutions is the responsibility of its president and its board of trustees.

    At UPenn, the embrace of double standards and the unacceptable status quo, which privileges antisemitism, did not begin on President Magill’s and Chairman Bok’s watch, but they are the protectors of it. Now they are now leading a purge of dissent. They have created a culture of intimidation and fear of speaking out against this status quo. At present, they are organizing attacks on me and my Jewish fellow trustees for speaking out.

    The responsibility also rests with many of our alumni leaders and trustees, myself included, who have sat by quietly as the pursuit of truth–the ostensible mission of our elite institutions–was traded for a poorly organized pursuit of social justice and political correctness.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  83. Hey asset,

    why don’t you take 5 minutes to condemn the squad that you always hype. Or do you not have a problem with their obvious anti-Semitism and desire to eliminate Israel and all Jews?

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  84. @83 Where has AOC said she wants to eliminate Israel and all jews? The squad wants the killing to stop. Are you planning to go to Israel and volunteer to be the first to go into the tunnels to root out Hamas. I remember reading about all the people advocating a second front during WWII who weren’t going to be the ones to have to hit the beach. Already more palestinian children have been killed then Israeli children and many thousands more palestinian children will die. Even before this for the last 60 years many times over more palestinian children have been killed by Israel including in lebanon then Israeli children have been killed if you are keeping score.

    asset (ac9993)

  85. Sen. chuck hagel a vietnam vet ask vietnam war draft dodger dick cheney if he would be on the first helicopter into baghdad since he wanted to invade so bad.

    asset (ac9993)

  86. And why should conservatives negotiate with you?

    These are not conservatives. They are radicals. Conservatives oppose change and the Gaetz Gang wants to kick the table over. Why should anyone talk to them, ever? I bet you could get a dozen or so Dems to support a reasonable Speaker if he promised to impeach Trump again.

    It’s time to rip the BandAid off.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  87. There is no reason to believe the men in question are lying.

    There is always reason to believe people are lying when things get political, starting way back with Anita Hill.

    “Everyone lies”
    — Dr House.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  88. What’s the point to impeaching Biden if he wins reelection (assuming the Republicans retain control)? It will only make the House Republicans look like sore losers.

    This defies logic. So if Biden wins reelection then all of the things that he and his family have done prior to 2023 are somehow grandfathered in by a statue of limitations? If you are going to say that it becomes more politically difficult, then sure, that’s a worthwhile argument. But if you are trying to say that what happened prior to this year is somehow forgiven really is a head-scratcher.

    JVW (1ad43e)

  89. Sen. chuck hagel a vietnam vet ask vietnam war draft dodger dick cheney if he would be on the first helicopter into baghdad since he wanted to invade so bad.

    Remember when Bill Clinton claimed that if Israel were attacked by Iraq that he would “fight and die” for them? Did that promise never apply to a Hamas attack or has the syphilis rendered Bubba incapable of holding a weapon?

    JVW (1ad43e)

  90. @89 They have antibiotics for std’s The left loathes the clinton’s as much as the right. Bernie was criticized for supporting clinton/biden by the left. Same when AOC said she would support biden over JFKjr and Mariane williamson. Cenk uyger of the young turks say he will run to represent the left even though he was born in turkey. Biden is rightly scared of challenge from the left because we will vote green party if the DNC doesn’t behave themselves. Had democrats not kicked green party off ballot in az, ga, and wi. trump would have won those states. He still only lost them by a total of 43,000 votes in 2020.

    asset (b24c1c)

  91. “Hamas is not like you.”

    —Ben Shapiro

    NJRob (eb56c3) — 10/13/2023 @ 8:00 pm

    Ben is dead (spiritually) wrong. Luke 18:9-14. Each of us, it has been said, is only a few days away from becoming a deadly savage, even in the best of times. Humility demands that we say “There, but for the grace of G*D, go I.”

    Hamas is the stark reality of man’s capacity for evil action given the right conditions.

    Sure, Ben is correct about the evil of Hamas, but lists all the wrong conditions for his audience; some of whom are on board with abortion because of the right conditions.

    felipe (9bcc73)

  92. JVW (1ad43e) — 10/13/2023 @ 11:23 pm

    I know. Right?

    felipe (9bcc73)

  93. These are not conservatives. They are radicals. Conservatives oppose change and the Gaetz Gang wants to kick the table over. Why should anyone talk to them, ever? I bet you could get a dozen or so Dems to support a reasonable Speaker if he promised to impeach Trump again.

    It’s time to rip the BandAid off.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/13/2023 @ 9:24 pm

    Assertion is not evidence. The voting record of Jordan and the HFC is definitely conservative.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  94. Asset, thanks for refusing the condemn the anti-Semitism of the leftist radicals in the House.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  95. There is no Free Will, felipe? There are not thousands of years of evolution in the development of Western civilization?

    Are we today, and the Jews, Greeks, and Romans 2,000 years ago, no more ready to receive the Word than our ancestors were 100,000 years ago? Would those ancestors of 100,000 ago have comprehended that Parable the way those of 2,000 years did? And the way we do now?

    nk (b93c33)

  96. There is no Free Will, felipe? There are not thousands of years of evolution in the development of Western civilization?

    Again, review the Dresden bombing, which had no military targets.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  97. This defies logic. So if Biden wins reelection then all of the things that he and his family have done prior to 2023 are somehow grandfathered in by a statue of limitations? If you are going to say that it becomes more politically difficult, then sure, that’s a worthwhile argument. But if you are trying to say that what happened prior to this year is somehow forgiven really is a head-scratcher.

    JVW (1ad43e) — 10/13/2023 @ 11:23 pm

    I’m saying the House Republicans never cared about finding the truth “about the Biden crime family.” It is all about political revenge for the Trump impeachments. So far all the committee has produced is evidence against Hunter Biden and his associates (who can’t be impeached), and no direct evidence implicating the President. Forgiveness has nothing to do with it; the impeachment will be dropped because it failed in its purpose to discredit the President before the election.

    As I pointed out before, even such hardcore MAGAites like Gaetz and Rosendale think it’s all for show.

    Rip Murdock (d353df)

  98. Rip Murdock (d353df) — 10/14/2023 @ 7:51 am

    The fact that as Speaker, McCarthy initiated the impeachment proceedings on his own, without a House vote (another broken promise), shows that he thought he didn’t believe he had enough Republican votes to support impeachment.

    The Republicans probably still don’t.

    Rip Murdock (d353df)

  99. the Dresden bombing,

    Most prefer to reference Reserve Police Battalion 101, whose activities were so blood-drenched that they made Heinrich Himmler throw up (and caused him to look for a more sanitary Final Solution leading to the gas chambers and ovens). They were all German police officers, above the age of thirty, pillars of society, who had probably never even stolen an apple from an apple cart in their prior careers.

    There is a Parable about weeds sowed among good seeds, as well as the one about stony ground, thorns and thistles.

    nk (1ddabd)

  100. JVW (1ad43e) — 10/13/2023 @ 11:23 pm

    And postponing the impeachment until after the 2024 election assumes the Republicans retain control of the House. Right now I would say that is an iffy assumption, since right now they are demonstrating that can’t fight of their current political paper bag.

    Rip Murdock (d353df)

  101. Most prefer to reference Reserve Police Battalion 101

    Or, indeed, the entire Shoah. Or the Rape of Nanjing. We really haven’t come a long way since Tamerlane.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  102. The Republicans probably still don’t.

    All McCarthy started was an inquiry. Which will go nowhere unless Biden gets his hand caught firmly in the cookie jar.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  103. Let’s be fair, the Bible had it’s own share of rationalized wanton slaughtering, see Samuel and the Amalekites annihilated by Saul for instance. The Egyptian first born, the Canaanites under Moses and Joshua, and of course the great “cleansing” of the Genesis flood and Sodom and Gomorrah and all examples of excess.

    Certainly we can argue that the New Testament gave us a different approach, but religion tends to help excuse things. Atheism…unchained by any absolute morality…promotes even worse.

    But we have to unequivocally condemn Hamas’ actions. Maybe the Palestinians have gotten a raw deal, but they remain a free people with options….sometimes they’ve collectively made bad choices. No morality would justify lighting people on fire, raping girls, and butchering infants in front of their parents. We’re all sinners sounds like weak sauce next to that.

    AJ_Liberty (0305f2)

  104. JVW (1ad43e) — 10/13/2023 @ 11:23 pm

    Sad to say, but politicians of any party aren’t as high-minded as you or I.

    Rip Murdock (d353df)

  105. All McCarthy started was an inquiry. Which will go nowhere unless Biden gets his hand caught firmly in the cookie jar.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/14/2023 @ 8:21 am

    LOL!

    Rip Murdock (d353df)

  106. All McCarthy started was an inquiry………

    If you don’t think the “inquiry” won’t inevitably lead to articles of impeachment, you are naive, especially if Jordan becomes Speaker (or any speaker elected by Republicans.)

    The investigation won’t end with “Never mind, nothing happened, sorry for wasting the country’s time.” It has a momentum all its own. It’s a Republican article of faith.

    Rip Murdock (d353df)

  107. ECLIPSE!

    Albuquerque is along the 100% path of today’s eclipse. Annular maximum in 15 minutes. Pretty cool, although you don’t want to walk around with the eclipse-glasses on.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  108. Just past maximum. It’s a good thing that wasn’t seen over Israel today. It sure did look like an angry god.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  109. It’s a Republican article of faith.

    No, the 2nd Amendment is an article of faith. This is just a cause of convenience. Sure MAGA wants revenge, but MAGA and the GOP are not the same thing. Yet.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  110. So far all the committee has produced is evidence against Hunter Biden and his associates (who can’t be impeached), and no direct evidence implicating the President. …………

    Rip Murdock (d353df) — 10/14/2023 @ 7:51 am

    That is correct.

    Rip Murdock (5357c6)

  111. Today’s GOP is convincing the nation that

    1) It is hopelessly partisan.
    2) It wants a complete criminal to ru[i]n the country.
    3) It is incapable of governing, preferring to focus on internal squabbles.
    4) For everything else, all it can do is blame.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  112. Rip Murdock (d353df) — 10/14/2023 @ 7:51 am

    That is correct.
    Rip Murdock (5357c6) — 10/14/2023 @ 9:50 am

    Your humility is awesome.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  113. But wait, Rip, are you arguing that the impeachment will fail, or that it will succeed?

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  114. Sure MAGA wants revenge, but MAGA and the GOP are not the same thing. Yet.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/14/2023 @ 9:45 am

    Some 20-30% of Republican voters identify as MAGA,; the percentage that identify as Democrats is less than zero.

    Comedy gold!

    Rip Murdock (d353df)

  115. the percentage that identify as Democrats is less than zero.

    The percentage of independents who will vote Republican in 2024 is about the same.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  116. Rip, never wrong, but always uncertain.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  117. The crowd waiting for the Rafah crossing to open, many of who are Americans, is looking like a target-rich environment for Hamas.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  118. But wait, Rip, are you arguing that the impeachment will fail, or that it will succeed?

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/14/2023 @ 9:54 am

    The investigation has already served its purpose by the Oversight Committee’s reports implying wrongdoing by President Biden without evidence, and at some point the Judiciary Committee will need to back up the OC’s findings by passing articles of impeachment. It will be a political imperative to do so.

    Given the Republicans narrow majority in the House, whether the articles actually pass or not is an open question. Even if the House fails to pass the articles their goal would have been met.

    Rip Murdock (d353df)

  119. #107 Looking forward to your report.

    Jim Miller (0cc49d)

  120. #107 Looking forward to your report.

    The maximum was at 10:36 AM MDT, with a thin ring of sun around the moon. Even then there was quite a bit of light — much more than a full moon at night. My phone was unable to take a picture — all it saw was a bright blob — but the cheapo eclipse-glasses I got from Amazon made it easy to see.

    So, about 1-3% of the sun surrounding a black disk. If it had happened without warning, it would have seemed quite a bad omen. Good thing it didn’t occur over Gaza.

    Unlike the image sequence here (obviously stock images), the shadow moved top to bottom, perhaps from 5 degrees to 185 degrees. But the maximum image is pretty spot on.

    While most solar eclipses have a line of “totality”, the moon was at its furthest point in its orbit, so it didn’t occlude the entire sun. The eclipse April 8, 2024 will be total, with a path of totality running from Mazatlan to Dallas to Indianapolis to Buffalo

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  121. Rip, never wrong, but always uncertain.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/14/2023 @ 10:04 am

    LOL! Kevin M, always certain, usually wrong.

    Life is uncertain.

    Rip Murdock (5357c6)

  122. 1:07:00

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  123. Rockets hitting Tel Aviv at this moment

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  124. @121:

    Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. You can know the position of something, or its momentum, but not both.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  125. Begging For Dollars:

    ………..
    On Friday, teams of advisers to Mr. DeSantis, Ms. Haley and Mr. Scott descended on Dallas for separate presentations to an exclusive gathering of some of the most influential Republican donors in the nation, a group known as the American Opportunity Alliance. They met at a property owned by the billionaire Republican financier Harlan Crow………….
    ………….
    The DeSantis team argued that any effort to push him out of the race would backfire for the anti-Trump cause. Three top DeSantis campaign strategists — James Uthmeier, David Polyansky and Ryan Tyson — presented internal polls showing that 90 percent of his supporters would drift to Mr. Trump if Mr. DeSantis were to exit the race. Ms. Haley’s supporters, they said in contrast, would flow to Mr. DeSantis if she departed.
    ……………
    Ms. Haley’s advisers, Betsy Ankeny and Jon Lerner, showed their own internal surveys, which placed Ms. Haley ahead of Mr. DeSantis in New Hampshire and South Carolina and had the two of them tied in Iowa. Mr. DeSantis had stalled, they argued, and she was rising.
    ………….
    Mr. Scott, whose team had not initially been invited to Dallas, was represented by Jennifer DeCasper, Zac Moffatt and Erik Iverson. They revealed that Mr. Scott would enter October with $11.6 million cash on hand for the primary — more than either Mr. DeSantis or Ms. Haley.

    Ms. DeCasper pitched Mr. Scott’s toughness and his willingness to stand up to Mr. Trump. ………
    ………….
    Ms. Haley, campaigning in New Hampshire on Friday, made explicit the power of wealthy donors to narrow the field. “I think it’s up to the voters, and I think it’s up to the donors to decide which candidates should get off the stage,” Ms. Haley said as she filed to appear on the ballot in the state.
    …………..
    Ms. Haley rolled out her fund-raising haul, revealing she had more cash on hand for the primary than Mr. DeSantis, $9.1 million to $5 million. ……….
    ……………
    “It’s shaping up to be a repeat of 2016,” (said Alex Conant, a Republican strategist who was a top adviser to Mr. Rubio at the time) of the current contest. He said that this time, it was even worse for the Trump challengers. “Now, even if you combined everyone’s poll numbers that was on the debate stage, you’d still be under Trump.”
    …………
    …………. (While DeSantis during his MSNBC interview) swiped at how a Trump nomination would be a distraction — citing documents found near toilets in Mar-a-Lago — he evaded a follow-up question about whether Americans should be concerned Mr. Trump was loose with the nation’s secrets, the charge at the center of the special counsel’s criminal indictment.

    “Well, look, I think that’s an allegation — it remains to be seen,” Mr. DeSantis began, before pivoting to a defense of Mr. Trump.
    …………..

    Rip Murdock (d353df)

  126. Darling Nikki is right-it will the billionaires, not the voters, that will decide who the Republican nominee will be.

    Rip Murdock (d353df)

  127. Ms. DeCasper pitched Mr. Scott’s toughness and his willingness to stand up to Mr. Trump. ……..

    Really, when did that happen?

    Rip Murdock (d353df)

  128. Darling Nikki is right-it will the billionaires, not the voters, that will decide who the Republican nominee will be.

    Or maybe the Senate. If Trump is convicted of multiple federal felonies under the Espionage Act there will be lots of panicking Republicans willing to reconsider an impeachment and disqualifying conviction.

    Threepeat!

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  129. Ms. DeCasper pitched Mr. Scott’s toughness and his willingness to stand up to Mr. Trump. ……..

    Real Soon Now™

    Scott has a lot of money on hand because he’s spent so very little, and his lack of movement in the polls reflects that. He and the others should drop out, leaving only Haley and DeSantis to challenge Trump.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  130. Assuming that Israel moves in at 0-dark-hundred, 8PM ET seems about right (0400 Sunday in Israel), Five hours from now.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  131. If Trump is convicted of multiple federal felonies under the Espionage Act there will be lots of panicking Republicans willing to reconsider an impeachment and disqualifying conviction.

    Threepeat!

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/14/2023 @ 11:54 am

    LOL! I doubt the current House would impeach Trump before the November election (probably constitutionally suspect), and he certainly wouldn’t be convicted in the Senate.

    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    Rip Murdock (d353df)

  132. The Democrats would probably vote “present” to force the Republicans to provide a majority of the votes.

    Comedy Gold!

    Rip Murdock (5357c6)

  133. I’m sure these deaths were all accidental, but Israel needs to ban media coverage of their invasion of Gaza for the safety of all journalists.

    Rip Murdock (d353df)

  134. The Democrats would probably vote “present” to force the Republicans to provide a majority of the votes.

    Any Democrat voting against impeaching Trump would be primaried.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  135. You know, Rip, your LOL! and Comedy Gold stuff is getting really tiring. Reminiscent of someone else, actually.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  136. #120 Thanks, Kevin.

    Jim Miller (4b4e7d)

  137. Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/14/2023 @ 12:32 pm

    Whatever.

    Rip Murdock (5357c6)

  138. Any Democrat voting against impeaching Trump would be primaried.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/14/2023 @ 12:30 pm

    As would any Republican voting for Trump’s impeachment, and that has already happened.

    ……….. only two of the ten House Republicans who voted to impeach former President Donald Trump over the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol will be on the ballot in November (in 2022).

    Of the ten, four lost primaries, four decided not to run for reelection and two survived.

    A 20% survival rate for a member of Congress is pretty low, when 98% of incumbents are re-elected.

    Rip Murdock (d353df)

  139. Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/14/2023 @ 12:32 pm

    I have specific reasons for labeling comments LOL! or Comedy Gold!, but I won’t divulge them so the posters won’t be insulted. If you can’t figure out why, then you’re not paying attention.

    Rip Murdock (d353df)

  140. I have specific reasons for labeling comments LOL! or Comedy Gold!, but I won’t divulge them so the posters won’t be insulted. If you can’t figure out why, then you’re not paying attention.

    Rip Murdock (d353df) — 10/14/2023 @ 1:08 pm

    And of course I have no concerns about labeling news articles or comments by politicians as such. They deserve it.

    Rip Murdock (d353df)

  141. Rip it’s clear why you do it. It’s still insulting.

    It does get old. You are no DSCA but I think you could do to drop that habit.

    Fwiw I appreciate most of your comments.

    Nate (1f1d55)

  142. I won’t divulge them so the posters won’t be insulted.

    Don’t worry, they are.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  143. State Level Republican Primary Polling Averages From 538

    If all you look at is national polls of the 2024 Republican presidential primary, former U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley doesn’t look all that strong. As of Monday at 10 a.m. Eastern, she has only 7 percent support in 538’s national polling average. But parties don’t pick their presidential nominees using national primaries, so those national numbers don’t give us a complete picture of the race.

    For that, you need to look at state polls. ………
    ………..
    The first state on the 2024 Republican primary calendar is Iowa, which will hold its famous first-in-the-nation caucuses on Jan. 15. And right now, the Iowa polls look pretty similar to the national polls. According to our average, Trump is in first place with 49 percent support, followed distantly by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis at 17 percent. ………

    Next on the calendar will likely be New Hampshire; although the Granite State hasn’t yet officially announced its primary date, it has held the first primary in the nation for over 100 years. And according to our New Hampshire primary average, Trump is in great shape here too, with 45 percent support. ……….
    ………..
    In our South Carolina average, Trump is at 46 percent support, Haley is at 18 percent, DeSantis is at 14 percent and Scott is at 7 percent. ……….

    Rip Murdock (d353df)

  144. I won’t divulge them so the posters won’t be insulted.

    Don’t worry, they are.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/14/2023 @ 1:26 pm

    Some people are just too thin skinned.

    Rip Murdock (d353df)

  145. Don’t worry, they are.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/14/2023 @ 1:26 pm

    You speak for everyone? There’s that absolute certainty again.

    Rip Murdock (d353df)

  146. Unless the GOP field narrows quickly, it will be 2016 all over again, this time with a (divorced?) bankrupt felon seeking “retribution”, no matter what the cost, running against someone who is fading fast.

    I expect panic in both camps next May or June.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  147. You speak for everyone? There’s that absolute certainty again.

    Self-reference much?

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  148. Rip Murdock (d353df) — 10/14/2023 @ 1:28 pm

    More 538 Republican state primary averages:

    California-Trump +40

    Florida-Trump +35

    Rip Murdock (d353df)

  149. Self-reference much?

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/14/2023 @ 1:36 pm

    Not really. I base my opinions on what I know about politics and history, and try to keep them based in reality without making assertions or interpretations that are not supported by facts or evidence.

    As I’ve said before, my opinions are not based what I want the world to be, but what the world is. Otherwise, you’re headed for a big disappointment.

    That’s why, for example, it is unlikely that Trump will banned from running for President, why Trump will more likely than not be the Republican nominee, and why it is very unlikely that the Democrats will do anything to help the Republicans select a speaker.

    Rip Murdock (d353df)

  150. All the wishcasting in the world won’t change the political reality on the ground, either in the Republican primaries or the House Speaker race. I refuse to believe in political fantasies.

    Rip Murdock (d353df)

  151. More jury averages:

    0-12

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  152. Not really. I base my opinions on what I know about politics and history, and try to keep them based in reality without making assertions or interpretations that are not supported by facts or evidence.

    Shorter: You confine your self to inside-the-box and usually keep to the inner part of the box. Dull. Dull. Dull.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  153. All the wishcasting in the world won’t change the political reality on the ground

    I remember being in Hamburg in August of 1989, and being told by many Germans that the Wall was permanent. The Americans, it seemed, wanted Europe divided.

    This was Realpolitik in action. We just had to accommodate ourselves to the Soviet Union.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  154. Self-reference much?

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/14/2023 @ 1:36 pm

    When I refer back to my previous posts, I am revising or extending my previous remarks.

    Rip Murdock (d353df)

  155. Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/14/2023 @ 2:09 pm

    It took 28 years for the Berlin Wall to come down. The first Republican primary contest is in 100 days.

    Rip Murdock (d353df)

  156. Shorter: You confine your self to inside-the-box and usually keep to the inner part of the box. Dull. Dull. Dull.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/14/2023 @ 2:08 pm

    We’ll see whose right soon enough.

    Rip Murdock (d353df)

  157. Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/14/2023 @ 1:36 pm

    I don’t expect anyone to drop out in Republican field until at least New Hampshire. Christie is making his only stand there because independents get to vote in either primary, but after that he will drop out because he has no chance in the South.

    DeSantis has more staying power to absorb losses in Iowa and NH, but he is counting on South Carolina. If he comes in third there, he will hang until Florida in mid-March, but Trump may have an overwhelming delegate lead by then after Super Tuesday.

    Tim Scott needs to score big on Iowa, otherwise he will be toast. He’s polling fourth in SC (7%), which shows you the voters like him as Senator but not as President.

    If Trump sweeps all contests mentioned above (and Nevada and the Virgin Islands) , then he will be unstoppable heading into Super Tuesday (and his election subversion trial).

    Rip Murdock (d353df)

  158. Ilhan Omar retweets phony images of IDF genocide of Palestinian children in Gaza. Here are the images in their proper original context of Assad’s mass murder in Syria.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  159. nk (b93c33) — 10/14/2023 @ 7:02 am

    Yes, nk. Of course there is free-will. We both demonstrate it in our comments*. I appreciate the point you made. I was right to call you a formidable man.

    *Although, for some, commenting is more of an involuntary response. IYKWIMAITYD.

    felipe (9bcc73)

  160. Certainly we can argue that the New Testament gave us a different approach, but religion tends to help excuse things. Atheism…unchained by any absolute morality…promotes even worse.

    Excellent point, AJ.

    We’re all sinners sounds like weak sauce next to that.

    Indeed, it does – to the one who has an equally weak understanding of sin. This is not a dig at you! It is an indictment on anyone (myself especially!) who still sees “darkly as if in a mirror.” It explains why hardened men openly weep at the sight of atrocities firsthand- when the veil is lifted from their eyes.

    felipe (9bcc73)

  161. Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/14/2023 @ 9:20 am

    Friends collected me and took me into the path to view it. It was wonderful, and was also made even more interesting because there were clouds moving overhead which interfered with our viewing – giving it a suspenseful “will-it-or-won’t-it-be-visible?” experience. It was.

    felipe (9bcc73)

  162. OK everybody, let’s stop talking about fellow commenters and start talking about the issues we face.

    JVW (1ad43e)

  163. Irony alert. LA Times today:

    College campuses are supposed to be bastions of intellectual discourse and debate, but the war in Gaza underscores tense narratives and little if any interchange between students.

    Where have they been?

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  164. Tim Scott needs to score big on Iowa, otherwise he will be toast

    And Rubio needed to score big in Florida. He didn’t. But what he DID do was split the anti-Trump vote, depriving Cruz of a big win.

    Likewise, Scott won’t get very far in Iowa. The man cannot think on his feet and it shows.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  165. It took 28 years for the Berlin Wall to come down. The first Republican primary contest is in 100 days.

    The point being that less than 2 months before it fell, many were repeating tired conventional wisdom. Things are true until they aren’t. The fall of the Soviet Union taught me to hope for better and work for better, rather than resigning myself to the barely adequate. Or, in Trump’s case, a certain doom.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  166. Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/14/2023 @ 5:39 pm

    Tim Scott broke my heart!

    felipe (9bcc73)

  167. Tim Scott broke my heart!

    I gave him some money when he started his campaign, but I found two things out: His campaign managers are terrible spammers, and his message has only two planks: God Bless America and Abortion Is Bad. Meh.

    His debate performances were flat and a lot of stuff went right over his head. He’s not presidential material. He should drop out.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  168. Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/14/2023 @ 5:43 pm

    We’ll see. I’m not hopeful as Republican voters seem enthralled by Trump.

    Rip Murdock (d353df)

  169. Good news here. Word is that those artillery shells from North Korea are older and less functional than the old Soviet kind.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  170. Great day to be a Husky. #7 Dawgs 36, #8 Ducks 33. What a game. The Ducks are scary good.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  171. Word is that those artillery shells from North Korea are older

    Nothing says safety quite like “old explosives”

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  172. Inside Trump’s Backroom Effort to Lock Up the Nomination
    …………
    As Mr. Trump dodges debates and is regularly seen on his golf courses in branded white polo shirts and red MAGA hats, it can seem that he is bypassing the 2024 primary fight entirely. He has done relatively few public campaign events until recent weeks. But Mr. Trump and his political team have spent months working behind the scenes to build alliances and contingency plans with key party officials, seeking to twist the primary and delegate rules in their favor.

    It amounts to a fail-safe in case Mr. DeSantis — or anyone else — scores a surprise victory in an early state. ………
    …………
    The maneuvering is the type of old-school party politics that Mr. Trump, who cut his teeth in the machine politics of 1970s and 1980s New York, relishes and knows best: personal calls and chits, glad-handing, relationships and reprisals. Advisers say that in contrast to some tasks, getting him to make those calls is a breeze. Plus, the seemingly arcane issue of delegate accumulation — tallying up formal support in the states to secure the nomination at the party convention next summer — is deeply personal to Mr. Trump after he was outflanked in exactly this fight in 2016.

    …………… Mr. Trump is doing to Mr. DeSantis exactly what he once accused Hillary Clinton of doing to Bernie Sanders: bending the system in his favor.
    …………..
    “I don’t think they play fair,” said James Uthmeier, Mr. DeSantis’s campaign manager.
    ………..

    While DeSantis and Haley are down in Dallas begging for money, Trump is taking control of the Republican primary election process. .

    Rip Murdock (d353df)

  173. There are unconfirmed reports that Operation Swords of Iron has been delayed several days due to bad weather.

    Rip Murdock (d353df)

  174. I think they are mostly waiting for people to move south.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  175. Trump is taking control of the Republican primary election process. .

    Won’t matter. He won’t be eligible by the time the Convention meets.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  176. I am reading that Hamas has roadblocks so that Palestinians are prevented from evacuating. They need dead Palestinians to blame Israel for all of their woes.

    Dana (169625)

  177. @160 free will is an illusion. After reading B.F. skinners Walden II John paul sarte said without freedom man has no dignity. So B.F. skinner titled his next book Beyond freedom and dignity. What is going on in Gaza his behavior modification negative re-enforcement. I was an existentialist. Now I am “determined” to be an existentialist. Read beyond dignety and freedom you might learn something. I did!

    asset (622865)

  178. @159 Don’t worry their are plenty of pictures of dead palestinian children from the last few days. Just today on the news a flat bed trailer evacuating women and children rolls by then blast from bomb and only pieces of children left on flat bed trailer as newsman walks around trailer with cameraman.

    asset (622865)

  179. Trump is taking control of the Republican primary election process. .

    Won’t matter. He won’t be eligible by the time the Convention meets.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/14/2023 @ 9:28 pm

    How so? It’s unlikely Trump will be disqualified under the 14th Amendment Section 3. And there’s nothing in the Constitution that would prevent him from being a candidate with a felony conviction.

    Rip Murdock (d353df)

  180. RIP actress Piper Laurie (91). Received Academy Award nominations for Carrie (as Sissy Spacek’s mother); The Hustler (as Paul Newman’s girlfriend); and the romantic drama Children of a Lesser God. Also played the villain Catherine Martell in Twin Peaks.

    Rip Murdock (d353df)

  181. Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/14/2023 @ 9:28 pm

    If Trump has the delegates he will win the nomination. It’s not up to convention to decide whether he is eligible or not. That would be the courts.

    Rip Murdock (d353df)

  182. Dana (169625) — 10/14/2023 @ 10:20 pm

    I am reading that Hamas has roadblocks so that Palestinians are prevented from evacuating.

    The source is the IDF.
    I read a mention of that, too, although it’s not clear if that was what caused the traffic jams, but they are definitely trying to scare them from going on the road. There have been a few bombs dropped on them. I would suspect that Hamas is trying to draw their fire.

    https://nypost.com/2023/10/14/desperate-gazans-flee-after-israel-orders-impossible-evacuation

    Still, many Palestinians refused to leave their homes, reportedly afraid that they could get killed or wounded on the escape routes, the Washington Post reported.

    A blast hit a convoy on an evacuation route in Gaza, killing a number of people including children, on Friday.

    Ahmed Okal, 43, who lives in the Zaitoun neighborhood of Gaza City, said he was afraid that civilians traveling south might be targeted with airstrikes.

    “I am definitely afraid, very afraid, but I will not risk the lives of my wife and children on the way to the south,” he said, referring to reports that some of those fleeing were killed in an airstrike.

    “Let us die inside our homes,” he said. “The road is dangerous.”

    Hamas has told Gaza residents to stay at home.

    Israeli military claimed that Hamas had set up blockades to keep Gazans evacuating Gaza City and the north, although it is unclear if massive traffic jams are what is clogging escape routes.

    “They have time to move south, they have to start moving,” Israel Defense Forces spokesman Richard Hecht said Saturday morning.

    “We understand this will take time,” he added, but declined to say if, or for how long, the deadline for the evacuation would be extended again.

    I dion’t believe that Israel has any intention of sending in massive ground forces (as opposed to search parties) anytime soon, because that could be the signal for Hezbollah to fire much more destructive rockets at Israel than what came from Gaza. And there could be further escalation.

    Still, they might want the common people out of northern Gaza.

    Because Hamas booby traps any normal entrances, the Israeli tactic for entering tunnels and defended places, is to blast new holes in the walls.

    This might be done in the street, if it is a tunnel, (Israel destroyed tunnels running across the border before the war, but not tunnels within Gaza) but that could also cause the collapse of a building.

    They need dead Palestinians to blame Israel for all of their woes.

    They’ve been doing that for years and years and years.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  183. Rip Murdock (d353df) — 10/15/2023 @ 5:46 am

    It’s not up to convention to decide whether he is eligible or not. That would be the courts.

    The convention could pass rules allowing it to do so, and the |Republican National Committee might also remove a nominee, but that’s not likely.

    You could also have a walkout of some delegates, but ballot access is much harder than it once was.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  184. The real reason they need dead Palestinians is to MAKE ISRAEL OUT TO BE THE BAD GUYS.

    Which, if it doesn’t gain victories for them, at least prevents defeat enough to allow them to keep going.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  185. I think the bigger question is whether the party will have a Titanic moment and upturn the convention. We’ve never been confronted with the spectacle of a major candidate being found guilty of a felony…and facing additional charges…and suggesting unseen vengeance on the justice system. Nothing historical and no poll can point to what is likely to happen.

    Few in right-wing media are wrestling with the dissonance and how a conviction will almost certainly sink any electoral viability. Somehow I doubt that 50% of the GOP will continue to support lawlessness and stress-testing the system. I’m unconvinced that NOTHING will move people away from irrationality. People will foremost want to win and defeat Joe Biden. A nominee facing the prospect of prison…or some negotiated alternative…does not offer that.

    Most likely we will see the later primaries abandon Trump….which will provide the evidence that delegates must do a re-do based on the new information. No one would suggest to keep a nominee that murdered someone in a rage before the convention. The rules don’t make this a death cult. No one is stuck with a defective nominee.

    AJ_Liberty (4222e7)

  186. 154. Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/14/2023 @ 2:09 pm

    I remember being in Hamburg in August of 1989, and being told by many Germans that the Wall was permanent.

    They should stop attributing the end of the Cold |War to Reagan. Nobody knew it was coming.

    By the way, Communism also nearly fell in China.

    And then there was the toppling of dictatorships in the Arab World in 2011. Set off, believe it or not, by Wikileaks, no doubt unintentionally, when it leaked a U.S. State Department cable about Tunisia.

    It was successful even against a hard core regime like Quadafi’s in Libya but the United States, by non-intervention, allowed it to fail in Syria. It allowed other dictatorships to rescue it. (there are times when it is easy to replace something bad)

    It would have been more rescued more peaceful had Assad listened to Saudi Arabia because Saudi Arabia always has a lot of amnesties as part of its stretagy.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  187. You know, the local state parties are independent organizations who alone determine who gets their ballot line in November.

    The national party doesn’t legally have anything to do with it any more than a television network affiliate has to put on the program sent by the network.

    The local party in any number of states state could secede from the Republican Party. Moat likely in states that Trump wouldn’t carry anyway.

    It’s not one party for the Congress

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  188. A (possible) minor correction:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/13/business/israel-hamas-misinformation-social-media-x.html

    …The war between Israel and Hamas has spawned so much false or misleading information online — much of it intentional, though not all — that it has obscured what is actually happening on the ground.

    In turn, people are turning to sources that mirror their feelings, deepening social and political divisions. There are so many untrue claims that some people question the true ones. And it is not just on X, formerly known as Twitter, which has removed many of its guardrails in recent months. The recent advances in artificial intelligence — with programs that can produce virtually

    Often the problem lies in the details. Hamas killed dozens of Israelis, including children, in an attack in Kfar Aza, a kibbutz near Gaza. A French television correspondent’s unverified report that 40 babies were beheaded in the attack went viral on social media as if it were fact. The report remains unconfirmed. It even seeped into a statement by President Biden that he had seen photographs of that particular horror, prompting the White House to walk back his remarks a bit, saying the information had come from news accounts.

    Hamas has adroitly exploited social media to promote its cause the way Al Qaeda and the Islamic State once did. It used the Telegram app, which is largely unfiltered, as a conduit to push celebratory and graphic images of its incursion from Gaza into broader circulation on social networks that have barred terrorist organizations.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  189. Most likely we will see the later primaries abandon Trump….which will provide the evidence that delegates must do a re-do based on the new information.

    Since primaries are scheduled through state law but run by the parties, I’m not sure how a “redo” would work. Would you have, for example, the Super Tuesday states re-vote? Would the state legislatures need to meet and pass laws to create a re-vote primary date?

    Or would you expect (like some here) for convention delegates (a majority pledged to Trump) to suddenly decide that they don’t want him to be the nominee and change the rules?

    I think both are unlikely to happen. Trump’s delegates have internalized their devotion to him and would see any convictions (not yet finalized, pending appeals) as a badge of honor. And his MAGAite voters may just skip voting for whomever the convention does nominate.

    Rip Murdock (447c40)

  190. asset (622865) — 10/15/2023 @ 12:57 am

    Wanda: You are such an ape, Otto!

    Otto: Oh? Apes do not read Nietzsche!

    Wanda: Yes they do! They just don’t understand it.

    felipe (5e2a04)

  191. Only a military alliance between Israel and its enemies is possible, nothing less.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 10/13/2023 @ 12:56 pm

    Comedy Gold! 🤣😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/13/2023 @ 12:59 pm.

    I said that is possible. Not that it is likely.

    But anything less is not sustainable.

    There can be a quiescent enemy, and a military alliance but nothing in between.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  192. Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/13/2023 @ 3:19 pm

    Trump Gaza Beach Resort

    That’s what Trump tried to sell North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un on. He wasn’t interested.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  193. They should stop attributing the end of the Cold |War to Reagan. Nobody knew it was coming.

    Bollocks.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  194. If Trump has the delegates he will win the nomination. It’s not up to convention to decide whether he is eligible or not. That would be the courts.

    I think it will be more certain than that. If he is convicted under the Espionage Act, he will be impeached and convicted. The GOP will finally have no choice: take their lumps now, or run him for President and be destroyed.

    But I could be wrong (about impeachment). They may yet prove to be cowards.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  195. free will is an illusion

    Even if you believe it is all chemistry, you really need to review quantum mechanics. The mind is a quantum device and therefore not deterministic. For a really deep dive, check out Hugh Everett’s explanation.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  196. “Trump’s delegates have internalized their devotion to him and would see any convictions as a badge of honor.”

    This is a crass assumption. States who nominate Trump can control who they send as delegates. I’m not arguing that any of this will be pretty….or that an alternate GOP nominee would have much of a chance…but I believe that if the GOP nominates a felon, that WILL be the end of the GOP. Maybe it remains the party of cranks, conspiracists, and cultists…but it will never govern again.

    So I’m not going to blithely wish that and instead choose to believe that good people will rise to reject cultism. Haley, DeSantis, or Christie are imperfect…but they’re not felons or charged felons. One will emerge as the normal alternative. Polls will go south for Trump’s general prospects and people will not want to lose….I’m betting on human nature

    AJ_Liberty (4222e7)

  197. States who nominate Trump can control who they send as delegates.

    State parties determine how their national convention delegates are selected, not state laws. And Trump has been rigging those party rules in his favor.

    Rip Murdock (447c40)

  198. AJ_Liberty (4222e7) — 10/15/2023 @ 7:53 am

    You won’t get any argument from me on Trump’s impact on the general election. I just don’t see anything that can stop Trump right now from being nominated.

    I wouldn’t depend on human nature to realize the Trump threat. In most national polls Republican voters say Trump is the best candidate to replace Biden (or whomever the Democrats nominate.) And Trump supporters have proven time and again to be impervious to Trump’s toxicity, as shown when his polling continued to rise after every indictment.

    Perhaps the GOP should end. Leave it with the MAGAites and start organizing a new party. Run candidates for Congress in 2026 and a presidential candidate in 2028. Now is the time to start.

    Rip Murdock (447c40)

  199. I think it will be more certain than that. If he is convicted under the Espionage Act, he will be impeached and convicted. The GOP will finally have no choice: take their lumps now, or run him for President and be destroyed.

    But I could be wrong (about impeachment). They may yet prove to be cowards.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/15/2023 @ 7:42 am

    Impeachment is only a viable option if Trump wins the presidency, not before.

    Rip Murdock (447c40)

  200. “In most national polls Republican voters say Trump is the best candidate to replace Biden”

    August polling suggests that more than half of Republicans will NOT vote for Trump if he is convicted…how does that translate into his electability? Now I acknowledge that there’s some cognitive dissonance here, but my read is that most Republicans believe he’s not done anything wrong…and by extension, of course he won’t get convicted.

    But this misimpression will start to evaporate once the first trial starts…and the evidence starts to pile up…including evidence provided by mainly other Republicans under oath…and Trump gets even more erratic and desperate. This will be daily crushing news that really won’t have much substantive rebuke. The committed will stay committed but the rest will start to call for his withdrawal. His resistance will force more desperate measures…most people don’t want a convicted felon to be their President, no matter how much they dislike Biden.

    It’s also somewhat ambiguous whether Republicans really do believe that Trump is the BEST candidate. Haley’s current margins against Biden are bigger than Trump’s neck-and-neck numbers. I believe that the electorate is starting to lose confidence that Trump will keep moderates and independents while dealing with all of his legal baggage. Haley comes across as competent, knowledgeable, and quick on her feet during the debates. She’s taking a lead over DeSantis in fundraising and has pretty much displaced Tim Scott as relevant in South Carolina.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  201. “The Congressional Research Service report cites the 1876 impeachment of Secretary of War William Belknap. Belknap resigned over allegations he received kickbacks. The House impeached him after his resignation, and while Belknap objected to being tried in the Senate because he’d left office, the Senate heard three days of arguments on the topic and then deliberated in secret for over two weeks before concluding Belknap could be tried. He was ultimately acquitted.”

    …”In 1993, in a case involving an impeached former judge, the Supreme Court ruled it had no role to play in impeachment disputes because the Constitution says the “Senate shall have sole Power to try any impeachments.””

    Though I think it low odds that Congress would attempt to impeach a Presidential candidate to prevent him from receiving the nomination…the crimes that would now be proven in a court of law were in fact committed while Trump was still President…and disbarment from office is a consequence. No rules or norms could have contemplated Trump…or his fervent supporters. The question would be could the GOP caucus get enough courage to do it? I don’t see a lot of courage from that crowd….

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  202. AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 10/15/2023 @ 9:23 am


    I believe it is highly unlikely (if not impossible) ) to believe the current Republican House, especially one led by Jim Jordan (assuming he becomes Speaker), would impeach Donald Trump. Absolutely no chance.

    Rip Murdock (447c40)

  203. AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 10/15/2023 @ 9:09 am

    We’ll need to wait and see, but passing DeSantis in polls is a baby step when Trump still holds 30+ point leads in the early primary states, as I posted here.

    The RCP averages are similar.

    Rip Murdock (447c40)

  204. https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2023/10/it-has-come-to-this-the-hamas-lockdown.php

    On Friday Stanford Law School canceled in-person classes and moved all classes back to Zoom as they did during the COVID lockdown.

    Late last week Columbia University announced that it would limit campus access to student and staff ID holders only, after a Jewish student was beaten by a stick-wielding assailant. Elsewhere we have seen scenes of students and, at the University of Michigan, one faculty member, tearing down flyers of missing Israelis. Some Jewish students are having the Star of David scrawled on their dorm room doors. How soon before Students for Justice in Palestine demand that Jewish students wear a yellow Star of David on campus? (Don’t think this is farfetched; see below.)

    And here’s the campus-wide notice to the entire UC Berkeley staff and student body Friday:

    We know the cause of this evil.

    NJRob (500265)

  205. Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/15/2023 @ 7:42 am

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 10/15/2023 @ 9:23 am

    If Trump was impeached prior to the November 2024 election, there would be a rampage at the Capitol that would make January 6th look like Sunday school.

    Rip Murdock (447c40)

  206. AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 10/13/2023 @ 10:37 am

    I’m not sure the GOP is organized enough to negotiate with the DEMs…or unified in what exactly they would be willing to give up for DEM votes or for DEMs voting present. But obviously none of us is in the room.

    Hakeem Jeffries said today on Meet the Press that there have been informal conversations. There have to be such conversations because if they stand on ceremony, the Democrats will ne blamed for this too.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meet-press-october-15-2023-n1307411

    …KRISTEN WELKER:

    Well, let’s start right there. We heard you talking about a bipartisan solution to resolving this stalemate in the House. Are you actually having conversations behind the scenes with your Republican counterparts about trying to create a bipartisan solution, a governing coalition?

    REP. HAKEEM JEFFRIES:

    There are informal conversations that have been underway. When we get back to Washington tomorrow, it’s important to begin to formalize those discussions. From the very beginning of this Congress, House Democrats have made clear that we want to continue to put people over politics and to fight for things like lower cost, better paying jobs, safer communities, and to build an economy that works from the middle out and the bottom up.On the other hand, House Republicans have been focused on fighting each other. It’s time to end the Republican civil war so we can get back to doing the business of the American people. And we as House Democrats are committed to finding that bipartisan path forward in a meaningful way. …

    …At this point, that is on my House Republican colleagues. We have made clear, publicly and privately, that we are ready, willing, and able to enter into a bipartisan governing coalition that puts the American people first and solves problems for hardworking American taxpayers.My Republican colleagues have a simple choice.

    KRISTEN WELKER:

    Yeah.

    REP. HAKEEM JEFFRIES:

    They can either double or triple down on the chaos, dysfunction, and extremism. Or, let’s have a real conversation about changing the rules of the House so it can work in the best interests of the American people.

    KRISTEN WELKER:

    What are your demands, Leader Jeffries? You talk about changing the rules in the House. Can you tick through a couple of your demands that you’re going to ask for?

    REP. HAKEEM JEFFRIES:

    Well, these aren’t demands. We are ready to be reasonable in trying to find the common ground necessary –

    KRISTEN WELKER:

    What are they?

    REP. HAKEEM JEFFRIES:

    – to ensure that.

    KRISTEN WELKER:

    What is it that you want?

    REP. HAKEEM JEFFRIES:

    We want to ensure that votes are taken on bills that have substantial Democratic support and substantial Republican support so that the extremists aren’t able to dictate the agenda. The current rules of the House have facilitated a handful of Republicans being able to determine what gets voted on in the House of Representatives and that undermines the interests of the American people. We can change the rules to facilitate bipartisanship and that should be the starting point of our conversation.

    He’s a tough negotiator, but he knows he has to reach an agreement – and he probably doesn’t want the House Republicans to resolve their disagreements, because that will leave him out in the cold for another year. Republicans would want some promises, although they are not enforceable, except in the 2026 elections, to keep the same rules if they are in the minority again

    One important factor:

    president Biden wants SOME bills to pass. He’s going for the minimum number of bills (although maybe that’s also because big bills are easiest way to get the most money appropriated)

    One bill they’re working on in a military aid bill for Israel, Ukraine and Taiwan, all wrapped up in oe bill.

    Sammy Finkelman (99e328)

  207. A prominent House Republican (Chairman of the Intelligence Committee I think) said on one those interview shows that Biden and Trump did exactly the same thing with regard to retaining classified documents and should be treated the same way — what happens to one should happen to the other.

    But only Trump persisted so much in hiding them, in the face of demands for their surrender. Of course, Biden batted second here.

    Sammy Finkelman (99e328)

  208. Impeachment is only a viable option if Trump wins the presidency, not before.

    That is just not so. Point to where it says that in the Constitution. Sure, a few Republicans said that in 2021, but those were just CYA memos. Did you actually believe them? Do you think that if Trump had been convicted in 2021 that he would not have been permanently disqualified?

    There are two penalties: removal from office and (optionally) permanent disqualification. There is no reason why a president who has committed felonious acts during or following his presidency cannot not be permanently disqualified at any later time.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  209. State parties determine how their national convention delegates are selected, not state laws.

    Why? State parties cannot limit delegates to white people, for example. States could probably exclude felons, or non-citizens. States might even “release” delegates who have been committed to someone later convicted of a felony.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  210. “In most national polls Republican voters say Trump is the best candidate to replace Biden”

    Most Republicans have no real idea about anyone other than Trump. Even those who are not keen on Trump have little idea about the other candidates. We are at the point where TV ads no longer work — few are watching OTA television (and those few are getting older).

    So, people vote for their Team, even if they don’t know how well the team is doing lately. Yankee fans are Yankee fans even when their team is in the cellar.

    It’s actually a wider problem than just Trump.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  211. If Trump was impeached prior to the November 2024 election, there would be a rampage at the Capitol that would make January 6th look like Sunday school.

    Fine. Are there no machine guns?

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  212. I of course admit that impeaching a former president should be a rare act. But Trump is a rare candidate. In Asimov’s Foundation series, he’d be the Mule — an utterly unpredictable chaos agent that overturns evertyhing.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  213. If Trump was impeached prior to the November 2024 election, there would be a rampage at the Capitol that would make January 6th look like Sunday school.

    Traitors 0, Marines 10,000.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  214. Married: Captain America

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  215. Sammy Finkelman (99e328) — 10/15/2023 @ 11:26 am

    Keep on believing. Like Tinker Bell, if no one believes in Trump, he’ll vanish.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  216. Do you think that if Trump had been convicted in 2021 that he would not have been permanently disqualified?

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/15/2023 @ 11:38 am

    The Republicans had their chance to do so in 2021 and they punted. I don’t know if they would have barred Trump from future elections, but it’s a moot point to argue.

    Do you see any circumstance where the current House Republicans would impeach Donald Trump, led Jim Jordan or another Trump acolyte?

    More wishcasting.

    Rip Murdock (447c40)

  217. Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/15/2023 @ 11:50 am

    Why limit pre-election impeachment to Trump? Why not make it a matter of course for the opposition to impeach their political enemies?

    Rip Murdock (447c40)

  218. Do you see any circumstance where the current House Republicans would impeach Donald Trump, led Jim Jordan or another Trump acolyte?

    No, but I do not accept your premise.

    More wishcasting.

    In this case for Jim Jordan.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  219. Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/15/2023 @ 11:45 am

    I agree, but the polling speaks for itself.

    Rip Murdock (447c40)

  220. Why limit pre-election impeachment to Trump? Why not make it a matter of course for the opposition to impeach their political enemies?

    If you think that Trump is just a normal politician, then you might have a point. But he clearly is not normal. Or sane. The GOP has a moral duty to clean up their house.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  221. Scalise got more votes, at every point, than Jim Jordan has at any point. McCarthy got more than either of them. Who do they turn to next, if their goal is to find the least palatable? Santos?

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  222. Off-topic: If you’ve been following, The LA Times is pretty much in the anti-Israel camp. They have daily articles hand-wringing about the fate of Gaza and how mean Netanyahu’s violent reaction is.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  223. California healthcare workers to get $25 an hour after Newsom approves historic minimum wage

    Many California healthcare workers — from nursing assistants and medical coders to cleaners and security guards — will see at least $25 an hour starting in 2026 after Gov. Gavin Newsom signed a bill on Friday that mandates an industry minimum wage statewide.

    The first-in-the-nation legislation was backed by unions who said more pay is necessary to stem the state’s healthcare worker shortage and improve patient care, pointing to burnout exacerbated by the COVID-19 pandemic.

    “Today California is putting a stop to the hemorrhaging of our care workforce by ensuring healthcare workers can do the work they love and pay their bills — a huge win for workers and patients seeking care,” Tia Orr, executive director of SEIU California, said in a written statement, commending “the courage and commitment” of healthcare workers during the pandemic.

    Under the new law, workers at large healthcare facilities will earn $23 an hour starting next year, $24 an hour in 2025 and $25 in 2026. That applies to all staff, including launderers and hospital gift shop workers.

    Those of you stuck with Obamacare, but no subsidy, are going to see another giant premium increase.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  224. Trump supporters have accepted his victimhood:

    …………
    Instead of voters turning on him because they are appalled by Trump’s behavior, fearful he would not be electable or exhausted by his perpetual drama, the indictments have boomeranged to his favor among Republicans, according to voters, polls, strategists in rival campaigns and Trump advisers.

    Interviews with scores of voters in multiple states show that Trump’s constant message of victimhood has seeped in not just among the Trump faithful — but also among center-right voters who were previously skeptical of him. Many of the voters echoed his long-running attacks on the law enforcement system that he has sharply ratcheted up in recent months. In many cases, Republicans who said they were initially interested in another candidate more than Trump were dismissive of the seriousness of the charges. Some said they believed Trump had made mistakes, but they contend there was an unfair double standard against him.
    ……….,,.
    “He’s multiplied his support here with indictment after indictment. He’s got better polling numbers because people don’t trust the government,” said Katon Dawson, a former state party chairman in South Carolina who is backing former U.N. ambassador Nikki Haley in her presidential bid.
    ………….
    What is different, according to rival campaigns, is that voters they once believed were persuadable now seem less so.
    …………..
    John Nish, an engineering manager from Truro, Iowa, said he is wrestling with his 2024 choice. He may back DeSantis on caucus day if he thinks attacks on Trump have rendered him unelectable. But the more Trump comes under fire, he said, the more energized he is about Trump.

    “The closer a person is to G@d, and the more that they’re trying to do to fulfill G@d’s plans, and do the right thing, the more Satan attacks him,” Nish said of Trump.

    In a series of focus groups conducted by the anti-Trump Republican Accountability Project and reviewed by The Post, South Carolina voters who named someone besides Trump as their first 2024 choice became instantly defensive of Trump when asked about indictments.

    “A jury could very well find him guilty and he may very well be guilty, but why are they going after him and not everybody else?” a voter named Larry said in a June focus group, after the charges over hush money in New York and the mishandling of classified documents in Florida. “If they’re going to go after him, I want to see him go after the Clintons and I want to see him go after Biden. The fact that they’re just going after Trump, I don’t believe that this should be happening.”
    …………..
    A participant named Cheyenne said: “Most of us are just so sick to death and have become deaf because of the constant crucifixion of Trump, and this has gone on now for so many years that we just don’t even hear it anymore. … They’ve just got him under a microscope. They’re just following him around waiting for the next thing they can pin on him.”
    …………..
    “I would have preferred DeSantis,” (New Jersey attorney Joe Marino) said. “But I have to support Trump because we have to gain back our country. I only switched over to support Trump because indicting him is an outrage and threatens democracy.”
    …………..
    Don Tapia, a longtime Arizona GOP donor who served as a U.S. ambassador to Jamaica under Trump, said that all of the indictments against the former president have helped drive Republicans like him back to Trump’s corner.
    …………..

    Rip Murdock (447c40)

  225. The GOP has a moral duty to clean up their house.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/15/2023 @ 12:19 pm

    That I agree with, but it probably won’t happen.

    Rip Murdock (9d5f88)

  226. Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/15/2023 @ 12:24 pm

    Every major news media outlet has the same coverage, which is why Israel should ban the media from reporting about their military operation, and from Gaza. It should be a media blackout.

    Rip Murdock (447c40)

  227. Scalise got more votes, at every point, than Jim Jordan has at any point. McCarthy got more than either of them. Who do they turn to next, if their goal is to find the least palatable? Santos?

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/15/2023 @ 12:21 pm

    Scalise was too close to McCarthy in his politics, and then he turned out to be a quitter.

    Jordan is strong arming his way to the speakership.

    Rip Murdock (447c40)

  228. The Price House Democrats Want for Saving the House Republicans:

    ………..
    “There are informal conversations that have been underway. When we get back to Washington tomorrow, it’s important to begin to formalize those discussions,” the New York Democrat said during an interview on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

    When asked what House Democrats might be asking for a deal with House Republicans, Jeffries said his caucus wants “to ensure that votes are taken on bills that have substantial Democratic support and substantial Republican support so that the extremists aren’t able to dictate the agenda.”
    ……………

    Just say no.

    Rip Murdock (447c40)

  229. Rip,

    Just like Trump, Jordan may win the votes of most Republicans through his tactics. Problem is, he needs almost all of them, and Moderates have access to the same stunts Goetz pulled.

    Also, Jordan is likely a government shutdown guy and will manipulate things to achieve that. If you are a GOP-er who views that as a disaster, maybe keeping the House closed until his failure is obvious doesn’t make things any worse.

    Jordan has real GOP enemies. And he’s not as benevolent or smooth a character as Claude Rains. Nor, unlike Mr. Rains, can he call down the wrath of G*d. So, I doubt he’s coming.

    (Use IMDB to decode this last paragraph, if you must.)

    Appalled (88914d)

  230. Appalled (88914d) — 10/15/2023 @ 1:18 pm

    I just believe that the Republican majority should select the House Speaker, without interference from the minority party, just as it has been done for 120 years. Republicans should be able to figure this out.

    I do get the film reference.

    Rip Murdock (447c40)

  231. R.I.P. Suzanne Somers

    Icy (d5df7e)

  232. Appalled (88914d) — 10/15/2023 @ 1:18 pm

    Without looking it up, do you know who played the pilot in Here Comes Mr. Jordan? He was uncredited and had no lines.

    Rip Murdock (447c40)

  233. That’s a shame, Icy.

    Dustin (3036b1)

  234. Rip #233,

    I don’t. I’ve seen the movie but it’s not one I really care to revisit. (Claude Rains is excellent and Edward Everett Horton is fun, all as usual)

    As for the Dems “interfering” — they have bills they want to pass and a government they want to fund. Their stance is good politics. Whether the Moderates try to reach across the aisle — well, the anarchists have created this situation and it would serve them right. Nevertheless, that move would almost require them to go ahead and BE Democrats.

    Appalled (88914d)

  235. I just believe that the Republican majority should select the House Speaker, without interference from the minority party, just as it has been done for 120 years.

    LOL!

    Why? Solely to pretend the democrats didn’t commit 99% of the sin here? They are the reason the House lacks a leader, and it’s the House’s leader. It makes more sense to share this responsibility when the margin is narrow. It makes more sense to share this responsibility when the GOP has a kook problem. It makes more sense to share this responsibility if that’s the only way the job gets done, and the difficult times demand leadership, and the democrats swore an oath to the country, not their party.

    But hey, comedy gold if you see this as a partisan thing. I think that’s what the birthers and Clintons (but I repeat myself) thought of Trump getting all that free press almost a decade ago, back when the country wasn’t in total shambles.

    Keep it up, partisans. Keep pretending this is funny.

    Dustin (3036b1)

  236. More on Jordan:

    …………
    One senior Republican House member who is part of the opposition to Jordan told CNN that there he believes there are roughly 40 “no” votes, and that he has personally spoken to 20 members who are willing to go to the floor and block Jordan’s path if the Ohio Republican forces a roll-call vote on Tuesday.
    ……….
    But another GOP source familiar with the matter said that Jordan has had positive conversations with members and believes by Tuesday evening he will be elected speaker of the House.……….

    The GOP source said that Jordan may decide to go to multiple ballots on the floor if necessary.
    ………….
    Yet there is still sizable opposition to Jordan. …………
    ………….

    Comedy Gold!

    Rip Murdock (447c40)

  237. As for the Dems “interfering” — they have bills they want to pass and a government they want to fund. Their stance is good politics.

    Good point. They can gain much more power by doing the right thing. But they lose a ‘hilarious’ argument, repeated on NPR every morning, that the GOP can’t govern. Granted, most of the GOP didn’t do this. And all of the democrats did do it. And Rip has already admitted that it’s not truthful that no democrat has ever voted for a GOP majority leader… it’s just very unusual (and of course so our these circumstances). There’s no rule that they can’t do the right thing. That’s ridiculous. In fact, isn’t an appeal to moderates who put country ahead of party exactly what we need?

    Couldn’t be more obvious.

    I don’t particularly loose sleep over a lack of a resolution supporting Israel, but we need a government. We probably need to avoid that shutdown drama ‘lol.’ We need to start protecting the basics. Obviously fate is winding up a curveball as we speak.

    Dustin (3036b1)

  238. Dustin (3036b1) — 10/15/2023 @ 1:36 pm

    McCarthy didn’t want Democratic support for the motion to vacate vote, and the Democrats simply obliged him. He was already accused of being too chummy with Democrats, Democrat support for that vote would have simply confirmed it.

    Seriously, do you believe that if the shoe was on the other foot Republicans would come running to save Nancy Pelosi from the Democrats “kook” problem? No.

    It’s not the responsibility of Democrats to solve this Republican problem. McCarthy and the Republicans enacted the rules, they should live with them. The Republicans alone should solve their own kook problem. It can be done, it just takes compromise within the Republican conference.

    Rip Murdock (447c40)

  239. Appalled (88914d) — 10/15/2023 @ 1:35 pm

    Lloyd Bridges.

    Rip Murdock (9d5f88)

  240. And Rip has already admitted that it’s not truthful that no democrat has ever voted for a GOP majority leader…

    True, it was Jim Traficant who was subsequently stripped of all committee assignments.

    Lesson learned.

    Rip Murdock (9d5f88)

  241. Rip Murdock (9d5f88) — 10/15/2023 @ 1:56 pm

    And Traficant’s vote was immaterial to final result. Hastert would have been elected anyway.

    Rip Murdock (447c40)

  242. The price that Hakeem Jeffries will demand will be more than just passing the appropriations and a few other Democratic bills. It will be much higher.

    Rip Murdock (447c40)

  243. Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/15/2023 @ 11:41 am

    . States might even “release” delegates who have been committed to someone later convicted of a felony.

    The Democratic Party, backed up by a United States Supreme Court decision with regard to the 1972 Democratic convention, disregards state laws, like winner take all. The Republican Party abides by them

    Sammy Finkelman (99e328)

  244. Every major news media outlet has the same coverage, which is why Israel should ban the media from reporting about their military operation, and from Gaza. It should be a media blackout.

    They all have some of that, combined with coverage of the barbarians. The LA Times seems to lack that balance.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  245. Just say no.

    Why? Extremism in the defense of Trump is no virtue.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  246. An Israeli military spokesman interviewed on one of the Sunday interview shows, used the word “checkpoint” to describe what has elsewhere been called Hamas roadblocks.

    Also I heard, Israel was accused of bombing a convoy which killed 70 people. After a day or so, Israel said it wasn’t them. Also said Hamas was putting roadside bombs on roads. Israel did say they would refrain from dropping bombs on two roads for six hours, according to the Financial Times,

    Nobody can go in or out of Gaza, although Egypt got the OK for some humanitarian supplies but it;=’s not trying

    Sammy Finkelman (99e328)

  247. McCarthy didn’t want Democratic support for the motion to vacate vote, and the Democrats simply obliged him.

    You keep saying this, and it keeps being wrong. What McCarthy said was that he would not offer concessions to the Democrats to get their votes. I’m sure he would have accepted any votes he got — his principles weren’t that strong.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  248. So, Iran now says that, should Israel “invade” Gaza, Iran will enter the war.

    https://www.axios.com/2023/10/14/iran-warning-israel-hezbollah-hamas-war-gaza

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  249. Do your duty: Go buy a Big Mac.

    McDonald’s sparks fury after sending free food to Israeli armed forces

    McDonald’s is facing a potential boycott after word got out that the multinational fast-food chain supplied free food to soldiers in the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF).

    Newsweek is reporting that McDonald’s began supplying Big Macs and French fries to the soldiers shortly after they began their attacks on Hamas.

    And users on [X] are quickly calling for a mass boycott.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  250. If there’s no coverage there’s no contact and also that enables Hamas to tell bigger lies,

    NYT seems to have some sympathy for Palestinian civilians who are anti-Israel, but has things written from all points of view.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/14/opinion/gaza-poet-palestinians-israel.html

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/12/opinion/israel-hamas-hostage.html

    They have different headlines in the printed paper,

    “a0 Children Are Hiding in My House”

    and

    “I Don’t Know if I Will See MY Son Again”

    Hersh was camping with his best friend at an outdoor music festival near Israel’s border with Gaza when Hamas terrorists began firing machine guns into the crowd of mostly young adults. An estimated 260 people were killed in that attack. We later found out Hersh and his friends managed to escape by car but the vehicle came under rocket fire. They were forced to stop and take cover in a roadside bomb shelter. Terrorists then attacked the shelter, blowing off Hersh’s arm from the elbow down by machine gun fire or a grenade or both.

    According to witnesses, Hersh, a 23-year-old American-born U.S. citizen, was then ordered into a pickup truck by armed Hamas terrorists and driven toward the Gaza border. The police told us the last known location of his mobile phone was on the Gaza border early Saturday afternoon.

    I don’t know if he is dead or alive or if I will ever see him again.

    The only thing I know is that this is not the fate that Hersh or any of the captives, among whom are several other Americans, deserves. I am heartbroken, but the messages of support pouring in from near and far make this moment heartwarming at the same time.

    I think the best thing she may have to go on is that Hamas terrorists are more afraid of killing prisoners than of killing people at any other time, since Israel haas a reputation of pursuing those who do that longer.

    Sammy Finkelman (99e328)

  251. 10 children hiding

    Sammy Finkelman (99e328)

  252. 249, Iran is evidently skipping the Hezbollah stage or does not consider that much of a deterrent. President Biden is prepared to use the aircraft carrier to shoo down any Iranian ballistic missile heading for Israel. Also sent another aircraft carrier, the Eisenhower, from the United States in the direction of the Mediterranean

    Sammy Finkelman (99e328)

  253. So, Iran now says that, should Israel “invade” Gaza, Iran will enter the war.

    https://www.axios.com/2023/10/14/iran-warning-israel-hezbollah-hamas-war-gaza

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/15/2023 @ 2:25 pm

    Tragic. But those paragliders didn’t learn how to do that in Gaza. Iran already invaded Israel a week ago as far as I’m concerned.

    A lot of people will die over this. But it’s probably better to resolve it now. I just worry that Iran, Russia, China, they all see the way the USA’s government is screwed up, poised for a correction back to normalcy, or worse, there is a technology factor we don’t know (perhaps Iran has nuclear weapons). They think the time is now.

    “LOL” a partisan might say.

    Putin too. I am sure he’s pretty happy with the headlines lately.

    Dustin (3036b1)

  254. Dustin (3036b1) — 10/15/2023 @ 2:56 pm

    This is why the USS Eisenhower and USS Gerald R. Ford Carrier Strike Groups are in eastern Mediterranean, to deter Iran and Hezbollah from intervening against Israel, along with F-15E Strike Eagles from the 494th Expeditionary Fighter and the 354th Expeditionary Fighter Squadrons.

    There’s no LOL about this. Hundreds of thousands will die.

    Rip Murdock (447c40)

  255. McCarthy didn’t want Democratic support for the motion to vacate vote, and the Democrats simply obliged him.

    You keep saying this, and it keeps being wrong. What McCarthy said was that he would not offer concessions to the Democrats to get their votes. I’m sure he would have accepted any votes he got — his principles weren’t that strong.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/15/2023 @ 2:23 pm

    A distinction without a difference. Without concessions from McCarthy, there was no incentive for Democrats to either vote for McCarthy or vote “present.”

    Based on his concessions to the “Gang of Eight”, McCarthy’s only principle was to do anything to become Speaker, and it came around and bit him in his rear. After he won, he ran out of principles.

    Rip Murdock (447c40)

  256. Just say no.

    Why? Extremism in the defense of Trump is no virtue.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/15/2023 @ 2:19 pm

    Republican policy and spending priorities, which will now include billions for Democratic spending programs, are worth defending. Trump has nothing to do with it.

    Rip Murdock (447c40)

  257. ……….States might even “release” delegates who have been committed to someone later convicted of a felony.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/15/2023 @ 11:41 am

    Are there any state laws that regulate how delegates to the national conventions may vote? It’s usually party rules that govern delegates.

    Rip Murdock (447c40)

  258. In an article discussing what rules, if any, states may impose on delegates (with good argument that they cannot), Ballotpedia says this:

    As of December 2022, nearly one-third of states had language in their election code specifically referencing how many ballots to which a delegate should or must be bound at a national convention:

    Arizona
    California
    Georgia
    Indiana
    Kentucky
    Massachusetts
    Michigan
    Nebraska
    New Hampshire
    New Mexico
    Oklahoma
    Oregon
    Tennessee
    Virginia

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  259. there was no incentive for Democrats to either vote for McCarthy or vote “present.”

    How about: Not getting Speaker Jordan.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  260. or worse, there is a technology factor we don’t know (perhaps Iran has nuclear weapons)

    I’m pretty sure they have Sarin gas and other chemical weapons. I’m also pretty sure that Israel would react particularly badly to the use of Sarin against civilian populations.

    Note that Israel has been bombing airports in Syria to prevent the introduction of Iranian assets.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  261. there was no incentive for Democrats to either vote for McCarthy or vote “present.”

    Or, how about: Not having the current dysfunction. I note that they are complaining about it now.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  262. I’m confident that the House will get the Speaker they deserve.

    Not confident at all in how the next two months of the pending world war III will go.
    Guessing
    Ukraine will continue to be fairly hot, brutal but static. (Ukraine can hold Russia by the nose, but can’t kick them in the butt) Iran has green light from Russia, Syria, but only has about two weeks to decide it it takes that green light.
    China won’t hit Taiwan unless Biden dies and Kamala is put in charge

    steveg (55b470)

  263. Dustin (3036b1) — 10/15/2023 @ 1:36 pm

    I keep saying this, but all the Dems had to do was vote “present” and McCarthy would remain as Speaker, Gaetz would’ve sent to the back bench, and the Trump-acquiescent clowns in the House wouldn’t be pushing Trump’s J6 co-conspirator for the Speakership. But no, they didn’t. They chose chaos and to perpetuate dysfunction.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  264. But those paragliders didn’t learn how to do that in Gaza.

    They learned that in Lebanon. Most of the other new to them tactics they used they learned in Syria. They had about 3,000 men in the murder and kidnapping brigade with 1,500 reserves and something like 1500 or more entered Israel October 7.

    The final go-ahead decision was made in Beirut on Monday, October 2 in a meeting at which representatives of Hamas, Hezbollah and the Iranian Revolutionary Guards were present according to an official version that was circulated to mid level terrorist operatives.

    The next day, October 3, the attackers were assembled and their electronics confiscated, and also that day Ayatollah Khamenei tweeted on X something about Israel being destroyed

    Sammy Finkelman (99e328)

  265. Kevin,

    you’re showing you aren’t a Republican. Speaker Jordan would push a strong Republican agenda without giving the radical left what it wants. But you are against that. Why?

    NJRob (816372)

  266. there was no incentive for Democrats to either vote for McCarthy or vote “present.”

    How about: Not getting Speaker Jordan.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/15/2023 @ 4:50 pm

    How about: they swore to bear true faith to the United States, and to support the United States, and screwing around because “LOL!” is not particularly productive for the House, even if it is terrific for raising money.

    Dustin (3036b1)

  267. I keep saying this, but all the Dems had to do was vote “present” and McCarthy would remain as Speaker, Gaetz would’ve sent to the back bench, and the Trump-acquiescent clowns in the House wouldn’t be pushing Trump’s J6 co-conspirator for the Speakership. But no, they didn’t. They chose chaos and to perpetuate dysfunction.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 10/15/2023 @ 6:05 pm

    They did. They showed discipline in how they did. They showed cunning in how they articulated it. They showed coordination in how how this proves ‘the GOP can’t govern’ when 95% of the GOP didn’t do this, and 100% of the dems did.

    We are in a special time. We need leaders to think outside the box (to give up the partisanship that took leaps ahead in the calculus around the time of Bush v. Gore). Need.

    Dustin (3036b1)

  268. How bad could it get?

    Let’s say that Israel invades Gaza, Iran enters the war and Hezbollah fires its 130,000 rockets into Tel Aviv, or maybe Iran hits Tel Aviv with missiles filled with Sarin. Israel responds with a nuke. Maybe Iran has a nuke.

    The US finds itself unable to act as there is no Congress. Pretty sure you need a Speaker to declare war.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  269. you’re showing you aren’t a Republican.

    No, I’m showing I’m not a fukwit.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  270. Of course, if the GOP is now the fukwit party, then maybe you’re right.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  271. Jim Jordan and the entire House “Freedom” Caucus are the radical right. Pretty much like Trump — national socialists.

    They are the furthest thing possible from Conservative. That would be people like Scalise, Pence, Haley and about half the GOP in Congress. You know, the ones you call “RINOs”

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  272. 6 year old palestinian american boy stabbed to death in Chicago and mother wounded in revenge for hamas killing Israeli children. It begins.

    asset (291772)

  273. “They chose chaos and to perpetuate dysfunction.”

    They certainly are jockeying for power and playing with fire over what’s best for the country (which is some modicum of cooperation to deal with funding the government and our international interests).

    We do live in a short attention span time. And the narrative that a divided GOP cannot govern is tempting. This allows the DEMs to potentially take impeachment off the table and get a few committee chairmanships to boot. It looks more promising to retake the House in 2024 and wrestle away the agenda.

    The DEMs seem to have things that they want to do. There’s always a government solution to implement with someone else’s money. The GOP is legitimately fixated on the border but seems no closer to comprehensively solving anything…and though the renegades are preening over the budget deficit and budget process, they’ve not really taken into account the required votes or prepared the field with the compromise needed to do anything substantive. It’s 100% theater.

    AJ_Liberty (f85177)

  274. 6 year old palestinian american boy stabbed to death in Chicago and mother wounded in revenge for hamas killing Israeli children. It begins.

    Will County is Chicago the way Appalachia is Chicago. It was their 71-year old landlord who has been accused of doing it. He has made no statement. The allegation that it was a hate crime is speculation by the local sheriff.

    nk (3d42ea)

  275. Governor DeSantis saw Americans in harms way and got them home safely. Biden told Americans they were on their own. That’s the difference in real leadership.

    https://hotair.com/karen-townsend/2023/10/16/governor-desantis-welcomed-over-270-evacuated-floridians-from-israel-at-airport-n585062

    P.S. Kinzinger is a dirtbag.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  276. That’s the difference in real leadership.

    That’s the difference in having the Florida state treasury pay for your political campaign’s publicity stunts. Anybody can organizer a charter flight. Not everybody can get the Florida taxpayers to pay for it.

    nk (2651ea)

  277. @277

    That’s the difference in real leadership.

    That’s the difference in having the Florida state treasury pay for your political campaign’s publicity stunts. Anybody can organizer a charter flight. Not everybody can get the Florida taxpayers to pay for it.

    nk (2651ea) — 10/16/2023 @ 7:17 am

    Give me this DeSantis “political stunt” every day and twice on Sundays instead of Biden’s “political stunts” *cough*Afghanistan*cough*.

    whembly (5f7596)

  278. Let’s say that Israel invades Gaza, Iran enters the war and Hezbollah fires its 130,000 rockets into Tel Aviv, or maybe Iran hits Tel Aviv with missiles filled with Sarin. Israel responds with a nuke. Maybe Iran has a nuke.

    The US finds itself unable to act as there is no Congress. Pretty sure you need a Speaker to declare war.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/15/2023 @ 10:32 pm

    I’m sure that the US would retaliate immediately (that’s why the two carrier battle groups are in the eastern Mediterranean) and the Administration would report to Congress the use of force as required under The War Powers Act. Enforcement of the Act against Presidential decisions has been rather toothless.

    Rip Murdock (447c40)

  279. I wouldn’t mind seeing Biden impeached for the murder by drone of the innocent Afghani family, seven of them children, in hurried CYA for the Kabul airport bombing of our troops.

    I would not mind at all. I don’t think that any of the button men suffered any consequences, either.

    nk (2651ea)

  280. Only one of the Three are left. RIP Ms. Somers.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  281. @280

    I wouldn’t mind seeing Biden impeached for the murder by drone of the innocent Afghani family, seven of them children, in hurried CYA for the Kabul airport bombing of our troops.

    I would not mind at all. I don’t think that any of the button men suffered any consequences, either.

    nk (2651ea) — 10/16/2023 @ 7:59 am

    *hands up high* PREACH! *hands up high*

    whembly (5f7596)

  282. Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/15/2023 @ 4:49 pm

    Interesting, but since your link did not show the list of states in your post it’s a little hard to verify what the individual state laws are. The link also does not include the quote from Ballotpedia.

    In any event, I doubt any of the states restrict voting to candidates without a felony conviction (as that would be something they would not have considered as a problem). As the link states, delegates are bound through the first ballot. If Trump has a majority of delegates, that won’t be a problem.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  283. nk (2651ea) — 10/16/2023 @ 7:59 am

    whembly (5f7596) — 10/16/2023 @ 8:30 am

    Not gonna happen, because sometime in the future under a Republican President the same thing will happen. Don’t want to set a precedent.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  284. Interesting, but since your link did not show the list of states in your post it’s a little hard to verify what the individual state laws are. The link also does not include the quote from Ballotpedia.

    My apologies. I had several Ballotpedia pages open and copied the wrong URL. This one has all that you ask for.

    https://ballotpedia.org/State_election_law_and_delegates_to_national_conventions

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  285. In New Mexico, it is actually a crime for a convention delegate to vote for someone other than they are pledged to vote for on the first ballot.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  286. What the House Republicans may need to concede:

    ……….
    First, some Democrats want to reform the “motion to vacate” rule so that a single member can’t force a snap vote to remove the speaker on a whim……… One idea Democrats are mulling, according to a House aide, is requiring a majority of the party in control of the House to support the motion to vacate before it can happen.

    Second, Democrats are discussing the idea of a mechanism that would give them more leverage over what bills get a floor vote, even on things many Republicans oppose — such as continued Ukraine aid (likely coupled with aid to Israel), and bills funding the government at levels that many in both parties can accept.

    “A real power-sharing agreement means shared control over what does and doesn’t come to the floor,” Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.), chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, told me. One way to do this, Jayapal says, is by dividing power evenly on the House Rules Committee and thus over what reaches the floor.
    ……….
    In fact, Democrats can reasonably demand still more for helping elect a Republican speaker: Why not a permanent repeal of the debt limit, which has been used as a weapon by far-right members in the past, leading to chaotic standoffs?
    ……….
    ……….The core goal, (Rep. Jayapal) said, should be disabling the GOP’s “use of things that never used to be controversial to move their extreme agenda.”

    Democrats could get really ambitious and insist that Republicans drop any efforts to defund the special counsel’s office prosecuting former president Donald Trump. ………

    ………..Republicans remain in a quagmire of their own making. Even if preventing future chaos could help vulnerable GOP members in a general election, “working with Democrats imperils them in a primary,” said GOP lobbyist Liam Donovan. “Individual political incentives, even among vulnerable Republicans, are highly cross-pressured.”
    …………

    This is just for openers. Look forward to higher taxes and spending as well as the end of the Biden investigations.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  287. Favor Palestinians? Killing Hamas might be the way to help them.

    After its deadly terrorist attack on October 7, any doubts about Hamas’ devotion to the destruction of Israel should be readily dismissed. But subsequent commentary on the Israel-Hamas war has often missed that Hamas is also the Palestinians’ greatest enemy. The state of Palestine would likely have come into full existence long ago had Hamas (and Hezbollah) never existed. The best way to stand with the Palestinians is to support Israel’s war to destroy Hamas.

    https://thedispatch.com/article/to-stand-with-the-palestinians-support-israel-against-hamas/

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  288. This is just for openers. Look forward to higher taxes and spending as well as the end of the Biden investigations.

    Higher taxes: Restoring the SALT deduction, while raising the top bracket back to 39.6% would actually be a tax cut for everyone who benefits from itemizing. Even the rich in any state with an income tax. Even if the SALT limit was only raised to $50K, that would benefit most itemizers who make less than, oh, $500K/year.

    The Dems will call it a tax hike because they are incredibly shallow, and the GOP can be happy that it will cut taxes for the upper middle class, a prime constituency.

    Stopping investigations into Biden, absent some new information, is simply wise. Stop crying “Wolf!” until there is a wolf.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  289. Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/16/2023 @ 9:15 am

    The link also states:

    Whether state election law supersedes a political party’s rules relating to delegates has been disputed in court. In 1981, for example, the U.S. Supreme Court held in Democratic Party of U.S. v. Wisconsin ex rel. La Follette that state election law could not override the delegate selection mechanisms of a political party for its national convention. At issue was whether Democratic delegates from Wisconsin could be seated at the Democratic National Convention when they were allocated based on the results of an open primary, in violation of national party rules.

    My emphasis. So it is an open question if a state could prevent a felon from receiving convention delegate votes.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  290. In New Mexico, it is actually a crime for a convention delegate to vote for someone other than they are pledged to vote for on the first ballot.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/16/2023 @ 9:17 am

    Proving my point. Unless NM also prohibits a convention delegate from voting for a convicted felon, it is likely that Trump could receive the state’s delegates on the first ballot (not knowing anything about NM Republican presidential politics).

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  291. Kevin, watch out, they might try to box in NM and reefer-addled Colorado…https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/immigration/border-coverage/texas-fencing-new-mexico-border/

    urbanleftbehind (f7f349)

  292. How long can he abide by this?

    WASHINGTON — The judge overseeing the federal election interference case on Monday issued a partial gag order on former President Donald Trump, forbidding him from making statements about potential witnesses or making disparaging comments about the prosecutors.

    U.S. District Court Judge Tanya Chutkan said she would not impose restrictions on Trump’s statements about Washington, D.C., and its residence, nor on statements criticizing the government or the Justice Department generally. But she imposed a restriction on all parties, including Trump, that banned them from making or reposting any statements publicly targeting the special counsel, his staff, as well as court staff or personnel.

    His people will have to confiscate his phone and all tech devices and keep him away from a mic.

    Dana (5a49c9)

  293. Dana (5a49c9) — 10/16/2023 @ 9:56 am

    Trump violates gag order in 3, 2, 1…..

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  294. My emphasis. So it is an open question if a state could prevent a felon from receiving convention delegate votes.

    AS I said in my original post, the article has a lot to say about state laws not being enforceable.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  295. not knowing anything about NM Republican presidential politics

    Pretty much as you’d expect: the party is hostage to a loud minority, although overall Trump is toxic in the state.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  296. Kevin, watch out, they might try to box in NM and reefer-addled Colorado

    The thing about NM is that there is nowhere to go once you cross except Texas. El Paso is right on the border, both of New Mexico and actual Mexico. In NM proper, it is 50 miles of desert until you get to a city, so El Paso is where they end up.

    Not that, while NM has the largest percentage of Hispanics of any state, most of those families have been here before America was, mostly because you can’t easily walk in.

    Home Depot is not a hiring hall in NM.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  297. * Note that

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  298. Never leave somebody with nothing to lose.

    nk (f57bac) — 10/13/2023 @ 3:22 pm

    That describes the Palestinians for the last 50 years.

    Rip Murdock

    Israel left Gaza unconditionally. The people of Gaza elected Hamas. They created their own mess. If you have any doubts about this just read their charter.

    Mattsky (c3c2f1)

  299. It is unlikely that the current NM governor would do anything to stop illegal immigration, even if it was flooding into NM cities.

    Lujan-Grisham is a doctrinaire and increasingly leftist Democrat. She is now ruling through her appointees in the administrative state since her part-time legislature is unwilling to pass the laws she wants, despite having Democrat supermajorities in both houses (gerrymander).

    Not only on guns, but also on cars, energy and numerous unfunded mandates on businesses. I hope that the US Supreme Court continues its line of “major questions” limits on the administrative state.

    Between her attacks on gun rights and her EV and EV-charging mandates, I can see Democrat support in the hinterlands drying up. Maybe, once Trump is no longer the GOP poster boy, the state has a chance to come back.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  300. The people of Gaza elected Hamas.

    Narrowly, 15 years ago. No elections since, as Hamas would lose them bigly.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  301. Leaving Gaza a rubble-pile with 2 million people dependent on foreign aid will result in the fire being much larger next time. Israel, not being into genocide, needs (for its own security) to create something workable and sustainable in Gaza that gives hope to people there.

    Of course, that assumes that Israel survives this time — they have let the problem fester for so long, and been in such denial, that the current peril is existential. Whatever happens now, walling off the problems won’t be acceptable going forward.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  302. Narrowly, 15 years ago. No elections since, as Hamas would lose them bigly.

    I’m not so sure about that.

    The poll found that 53% of Palestinians believe Hamas is “most deserving of representing and leading the Palestinian people,

    Mattsky (c3c2f1)

  303. The link to the AP story didn’t post. I’ll try again.

    https://apnews.com/article/hamas-middle-east-science-32095d8e1323fc1cad819c34da08fd87

    Mattsky (c3c2f1)

  304. Leaving Gaza a rubble-pile with 2 million people dependent on foreign aid will result in the fire being much larger next time. Israel, not being into genocide, needs (for its own security) to create something workable and sustainable in Gaza that gives hope to people there.

    Hamas needs to be destroyed. Like the Nazis needed to be destroyed. Going forward after that the future depends on what the people in Gaza want. Do they want to return to being lead by another death cult or build a better future? Foreign aid could help them get started. They could use it for rockets and tunnels again but building green houses is a better option. It is up to them. When Israel controlled Gaza there was a thriving industry growing stuff in green houses. It could happen again. They are also on the Med. Peace could make it a tourist destination. Something workable and sustainable in Gaza can only happen if the people there choose it.

    Mattsky (c3c2f1)

  305. Rebuilding Gaza will have to involve external supervision. It can’t be Israel, it can’t be the UN (or any other “multinational” group), It can’t be the USA or Europe. It has to be some Arab country that has the kind of skin in the game that makes it imperative for them to avoid another Hamas.

    I’ve argued for Saudi, but I guess it could be Egypt. One has money though, and strategic ambition, the other is lucky not to collapse itself.

    There are those that say that it has to be Gaza-by-its-bootstraps, but that gave us Hamas the last time.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  306. I don’t think that anyone is arguing that Hamas should survive. However they got there, no matter who was mean to them, they’re a bunch of psychopathic monsters who need to be dead.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  307. Nobody was mean to them.

    They are like people who join the Mafia- they may not have the usual complete formal education they might be expected to have, probably at east partially because they didn’t want it; they don’t exert much initiative in controlling the course of their life; they may be interested in money; they started very very young; they may feel they can’t drop out – they already did bad things, and also feel there is no way back to ordinary life.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  308. Narrowly, 15 years ago. No elections since, as Hamas would lose them bigly.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/16/2023 @ 10:56 am

    Facts not in evidence and Fatah is just as evil.

    NJRob (ff6388)

  309. Rebuilding Gaza will have to involve external supervision. It can’t be Israel, it can’t be the UN (or any other “multinational” group), It can’t be the USA or Europe. It has to be some Arab country that has the kind of skin in the game that makes it imperative for them to avoid another Hamas.

    I think that Mahmoud Abbas and the PA may end up administrating Gaza. Considering his recent statement the deal may have already been made.

    Mattsky (c3c2f1)

  310. The people of Gaza elected Hamas.

    Narrowly, 15 years ago. No elections since, as Hamas would lose them bigly.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/16/2023 @ 10:56 am

    Sixty-five percent of Gaza’s population is under the age of 24, (with 42% ranging in age between 0-14); with the median age being 18. So the vast majority of Gazans has never had a say in their future.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  311. The people of Gaza elected Hamas.

    They were only elected to the national legislature. The only political parties were armed groups, and Hamas based its campaign on being against against corruption.

    Hamas took over Gaza by a coup in which they threw a few Fatah members off buildings.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gaza_(2007)

    The Battle of Gaza, also referred to as Hamas’s takeover of Gaza, was a military conflict between Fatah and Hamas that took place in the Gaza Strip from 10 to 15 June 2007. It was a prominent event in the Fatah–Hamas conflict, centered on the struggle for power after Fatah lost the 2006 Palestinian legislative election. The battle resulted in the dissolution of the unity government[3] and the de facto division of the Palestinian territories into two entities: the West Bank governed by the Palestinian National Authority (PNA), and the Gaza Strip governed by Hamas. Hamas fighters took control of the Gaza Strip, while Fatah officials were either taken as prisoners, executed or expelled.[3][4] The Palestinian Centre for Human Rights reported that at least 161 people were killed and more than 700 were wounded during the fighting.[1]

    The currency in Gaza is the Israeli shekel; personal documents are issued by the Palestinian authority based in Ramallah. The world refuses to allow them to issue passports.

    Hamas has a number of political prisoners.

    https://www.israelhayom.com/2023/01/02/even-animals-gets-better-treatment-tortured-by-hamas-man-finds-refuge-in-israel

    A Gaza resident who worked to defend political prisoners eventually became one himself after criticizing Hamas. “The dangers are well known to anyone who leaves,” he says, recalling that one escapee said to him, “I am dead here in Gaza anyway, so what do I care?”

    E., a resident of the Gaza Strip, talks to us from an apartment in greater Tel Aviv, where he has been residing for the past week, helped by friends, who have provided him with a roof over his head. E. has been put on Hamas’ blacklist after he made several public statements and published posts, in which he dared to criticize Hamas’ policy in Gaza. He attacked the Hamas leadership for violating human rights, criticized the discrimination against women in public areas, and expressed his infuriation with the way Hamas’ security institutions handle anti-regime activists….

    ….It is quite bizarre that the one who initially defended political prisoners, eventually became one himself. The Hamas’ long arm found E. and he very quickly found himself subject to threats, intimidation, and physical and mental harassment.

    “In the initial investigations I was severely beaten, with bruises all over my body; it was very brutal. Even animals are not treated this way. One investigator would walk past me, punch me, then another one would come and beat me mercilessly,” says E. “In the later investigations, I suffered less physical torture, but more mental torture. They would offend me, curse my mother and father and threaten them. For example, on one occasion they threatened to kill me and told me, ‘Tomorrow we will shoot you and throw you to the dogs, and tell everyone that you collaborated with Israel’.”

    Another time they wanted me to sign a document saying that after I was released I was forbidden from talking to anyone about what they did to me during the investigation, and not to share what I went through with human rights organizations. Each time after you are arrested and released, you have to take painkillers and rest for three to four days to physically get over what happened. Mentally, it stays with you. You can’t forget. This is one of the things that made me leave Gaza.”

    Two years ago, E. was forced to leave the Gaza Strip following an investigation, during which it was made clear to him that the Hamas security forces had information about his plan to initiate mass demonstrations in Gaza. E. went to Egypt, tried to make a living from a restaurant business, and last August he managed to return to his family in Gaza. “I saw that I had returned to the same Gaza, with the same problems. There is no freedom, there are no jobs, and the jobs that are there are given to Hamas and their loyalists. There is no stability in life. The situation is bad and people live from hand to mouth. Everything I earn – it all goes, nothing is left.

    “The children grow up, they have needs. You have to buy them clothes for the winter and heat the house. There are so many everyday needs, and then you ask yourself, ‘what future awaits them and me? It makes you think, is this how I want to live? It doesn’t make sense. The family eats fresh meat only once a week. Some people eat half portions just so that they can get through the day. Every house in Gaza has debts to the electricity corporation and people have to pay off loans that they took.

    “It’s getting to the point where residents are not using their cars unless there is something essential because they do not want to waste money on fuel. Many factories in Gaza are closed. Business owners are in and out of prison because of debts, but it’s not just because of money. It’s in almost every area of ​​life. There is no infrastructure and no projects. People avoid going to hospitals because they don’t trust the medical treatment there. Hamas doesn’t provide services. There is no future.”

    Just recently bodies of eight Palestinians, who drowned off the coast of Tunisia about two months ago after they escaped from Gaza in an attempt to find a better life in any European country, were brought to Gaza for burial. “The dangers are well known to anyone who leaves, yet people decide to do so anyway. I spoke to one of the victims before he left Gaza. He said to me, ‘I am dead here in Gaza anyway, so what do I care?'”

    Overall, however, their government is not too tyrannical to the local population, as tyrannies go (notice this person was able to write quite a bit and was repeatedly arrested. This would not have happened in Stalin’s Russia) , because Hamas concentrated on planning for terrorism, war crimes and a little of what might be called war but it is only support for terrorism and war crimes.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  312. As I said above, Gaza, with its Mediterranean coast line, could be a vacation paradise, with dozens of beach resorts, built by European and Middle Eastern construction firms. This would employ thousands of Gazans in the initial construction projects, and later generate thousands of jobs in the hospitality industry as well as spinoff employment.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  313. And this is a tyranny in which it is usually possible to conduct what they think are public opinion polls that fairly reflect public opinion.

    I would expect that in times of conflict with Israel the responses to the polls would get less honest and more pro-Hamas, as they may be more
    suspicious of who is asking the questions. This may be true also in the West Bank. The effect dissipates after 3 to 6 months according to the AP article. As in most polls, different people get polled at different times.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  314. I think that Mahmoud Abbas and the PA may end up administrating Gaza. Considering his recent statement the deal may have already been made.

    Who would trust them, including the Palestinians? Just more of the same, on to infinity. It’s not in Israel’s interest.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  315. @313:

    I think that Rip and I are on the same page here. None of this is possible if Hamas or Fatah are in control. Heck, the effing Mafia would do better.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  316. Still, the Palestinians have never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  317. The Palestinian presidential election to fill the position held by Yasir Arafat took place on 9 January 2005 in both the West Bank and Gaza and . was boycotted by both Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad and was — Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) and Fatah chairman Mahmoud Abbas but Hamas won the legislative elections held a year later. Israel’s withdrawal from Gaza took place in between in which greenhouses in Gaza were left standing but were destroyed (they were looted)

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  318. Good News (If True):

    The Sinaloa cartel, the leading exporter of fentanyl to the U.S., is prohibiting the production and trafficking of the illegal opioid in its territory after coming under increasing pressure from U.S. law enforcement, cartel members say.

    The order comes from the “Chapitos,” the group led by the four sons of imprisoned drug lord Joaquín “El Chapo” Guzmán, who transformed the Sinaloa cartel into a global empire managing the supply of narcotics, from Mexican heroin to Colombian cocaine and fentanyl made with precursors from Asia.

    The directive from the most powerful faction within the criminal group aims to evade pressure from U.S. law enforcement, operatives say, though some U.S. officials are skeptical that the ban will endure.
    ………..
    For the many people in this northwestern Mexican region who make a living producing and smuggling an opioid that has killed tens of thousands of Americans, the message was clear: stop or die. In June, when the shift away from fentanyl began, three bodies covered with blue pills of the drug appeared on the outskirts of Culiacán.

    The Chapitos’ decision to wean themselves from fentanyl trafficking and production comes after a series of high-profile blows against the crime group in recent months.
    ……….
    A midlevel Sinaloa cartel operative, who used to deal in chemical precursors needed to make the synthetic opioid, said the Chapitos are leaving the business in part because they wanted the U.S. to shift its crackdown efforts to the Jalisco New Generation Cartel, their chief rival and another leading fentanyl producer.
    ………
    “In Sinaloa, the sale, manufacture, transport or any kind of business involving the substance known as fentanyl, including the sale of chemical products for its elaboration, is permanently banned,” the banners read. “You have been warned. Sincerely yours, the Chapitos.”

    Similar banners also appeared in two cities of neighboring Sonora state, which borders the U.S. They were signed by Los Pelones, or “The Bald Ones,” an armed group allied with the Chapitos. Last weekend, similar banners signed by the Tijuana cartel appeared in the border city of Tijuana, which officials say is a major fentanyl entry point to the U.S.
    ………
    One operator of a fentanyl lab who stopped working three months ago after the bodies were found said that he buried his remaining chemical supplies, fearing a crackdown by the Chapitos. He said he knows of five people, two brothers and three cousins, who were killed because they defied the ban.
    ……….

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  319. Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/16/2023 @ 12:58 pm

    Agreed, but someone will need to help the surviving Gazans to build a better future. Leaving them alone to figure it out themselves is a recipe for another Hamas.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  320. It would behoove Israel to be deliberate and patient in exacting retribution against Hamas. Take the time to build an alliance with other Arab nations aimed at declaring Hamas a terror group and get their assistance in removing them from Gaza/life. It’d probably require leaving the West Bank, at minimum – which is likely worth it if that can lead to a lasting peace.

    If Abbas/Fatah can be avoided, great: otherwise, use them as necessary.

    Sam G (8d2ed1)

  321. Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/15/2023 @ 10:32 pm

    Pretty sure you need a Speaker to declare war.

    The United States hasn’t declared war on anyone since 1941, probably because too many provisions of law are kicked into effect by it, and Congress doesn’t want to do that.

    What they did after 9/11 was an “Authorization for the use of force” which may be unnecessary. War is a legal state not a military one.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  322. Who would trust them, including the Palestinians? Just more of the same, on to infinity. It’s not in Israel’s interest.

    What are the other realistic viable options?

    Mattsky (c3c2f1)

  323. 319. (posted quote by Rip Murdock)

    The directive from the most powerful faction within the criminal group aims to evade pressure from U.S. law enforcement, operatives say

    And possible military operations against them, as proposed by Republican candidates for president.

    Rpn Desantis is trying to sound more unhinged than Donald Trump.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXEvjRt8uRg

    Desantis doubled down yesterday on Face the Nation on brutal tough sounding policy based on ignorance and nonsense:

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ron-desantis-florida-governor-2024-republican-candidate-face-the-nation-transcript-10-15-2023

    ….MARGARET BRENNAN: …Let me ask you about something here at home when it comes to the U.S. border. And there’s talk right now about the need to provide more aid. You in the pa- to the U.S. border. You in the past have said you would authorize the U.S. military to go to the U.S. border and shoot cartel members. You told my colleague Norah O’Donnell, quote, when somebody’s got a backpack on and they’re breaking through the wall, you know, that’s hostile intent, and you have every right to take action under those circumstances. Can you explain how that would work? Would a soldier have to ask his commanding officer for permission before he shoots anyone wearing a backpack or is this just a blanket shoot anyone with a backpack?

    Wouldn’t you at least want to see if they’re armed and would resist arrest? And if they are armed and dangerous, do they need to carry a backpack to be shot at? And is that the way most fentanyl is smuggled into the United States nowadays? Well, maybe people just breaking into the business would do that and people new to drug business would be more careless with the fentanyl, so you could give him that, except he’s talking about the cartels.

    GOV. DESANTIS: Well, first, cartels are invading this country and they are killing tens of thousands of our fellow citizens with fentanyl, and this is happening in communities all across our country. We have every right and duty to fight back against that. It’s typical how you would have with law enforcement or military, you define rules of engagement. They have positively identify somebody that’s hostile, either action or intent. And they engaged, but we are going to engage. The days of our communities being ravaged by fentanyl are going to be over. Yes, we’re going to stop the invasion. Yes, we’re going to build the wall. We’re going to do all those things we’ll deport people when they come illegally, but you have to hold the cartels accountable. And I’ll do that as commander in chief.

    What happened with Gaza was an invasion. This is not.

    MARGARET BRENNAN: I think a lot of Americans would support that, given how terrible fentanyl is. But in terms of this specific proposal here, how would you differentiate who’s a threat? How would you say shoot people wearing backpacks?

    GOV. DESANTIS: Well, Margaret, when you’re down at the border, I mean, you see, like, the cartels will actually have lookouts where they’ll just bring people across. They will have yes– they will be carrying–

    MARGARET BRENNAN: But how do you know what’s in the backpack?

    GOV. DESANTIS: different types of- well you have to make those judgments based on intelligence and all the other things that you do, but I can tell you this, once you show the willingness to actually take this threat seriously, you are going to change their behavior.

    It seems like he’s done it already.

    They’re eating our lunch at the border right now because we don’t do anything to fight back. That’s going to change on January 20, 2025.

    Sammy Finkelman (c5132f)

  324. Good News (If True)

    While the heat is on. I expect DeSantis to claim the credit.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  325. though some U.S. officials are skeptical that the ban will endure.`

    I think in the late 1940s the Mafia disavowed the drug business, although it continued in secret and/or against orders by some members. The plot of the movie the Godfather includes that.

    Of course it’s like John D. Rockefeller I saying: “We will never sell oil.” (borrowed from something Jimmy Breslin wrote in his book about Owney Madden.)

    Stopping the cartels (in a mature market) actually could lead to a short term increase in drug overdose deaths.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  326. What they did after 9/11 was an “Authorization for the use of force” which may be unnecessary. War is a legal state not a military one.

    A mistake. Some of those provisions would have been useful and one of the things that happens is that the war eventually ends, unlike an AUMF which (having few domestic effects) can linger forever.

    Of course the rationale was that al Qaeda wasn’t a “state”

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  327. Take the time to build an alliance with other Arab nations aimed at declaring Hamas a terror group and get their assistance in removing them from Gaza/life.

    Most Arab countries have already declared their support for the Palestinians. Getting “their assistance” is not going to happen. Their own populations would revolt against the idea of supporting Israel.

    Rip Murdock (447c40)

  328. What are the other realistic viable options?

    I’ve suggested some. Don’t care to repeat myself.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  329. @325

    No, Desantis won’t want to say that anything can be done before he is elected president. It’s the totality of the rhetoric coming from a number of candidates and members of Congress also, and some steps by President Biden, who is being pushed around on this issue and maybe having some harsh words with the government of Mexico..

    The Sinaloa cartel doesn’t want to wait.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  330. If Abbas/Fatah can be avoided, great: otherwise, use them as necessary.

    I fear that the forces of expediency and sloth will control the outcome. What does Biden care about 10 years from now?

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  331. No, Desantis won’t want to say that anything can be done before he is elected president.

    He’ll claim that he so great that — even before he’s president — the cartels are shaking in their boots.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  332. Palestinians, not Hamas.

    And it’s worth the effort: either a coalition is put together to remove Hamas (win), or ammunition for the info war is provided when the Arab nations reject Israel’s requests in exchange for leaving the West Bank (which they should regardless).

    Sam G (8d2ed1)

  333. steveg (55b470) — 10/15/2023 @ 5:26 pm

    China won’t hit Taiwan unless Biden dies and Kamala is put in charge

    Xi Jinping told his army to get ready by 2027.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  334. Palestinians, not Hamas.

    Either way, most of other Arab countries have come out against Israel.

    Rip Murdock (447c40)

  335. The West Bank is a jigsaw puzzle of jurisdictions now and the Arabs include in it East Jerusalem, which includes the area annexed to Jerusalem in 1968.

    And, as IMRA has reminded people in the past, once you have a state it can be taken over by a hostile power.

    Israel, at a minimum would have to approve any Arab government in the West Bank. Maybe by its Supreme Court, which leftists want to be all powerful anyway. There cannot be a truly independent Palestinian state anytime soon.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  336. 332. Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/16/2023 @ 1:48 pm

    He’ll claim that he so great that — even before he’s president — the cartels are shaking in their boots.

    Desantis doesn’t have the imagination to do this.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  337. Of course, he could claim that that is the right policy, and he (and would he credit other Republicans?) were there first.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  338. Israel has identified 199 people as possible hostages in Gaza.(Hamas now broached the idea of exchanging them for 6,000 people)

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  339. Either way, most of other Arab countries have come out against Israel.

    Absent anything else, of course they did. But Iran and Dubai have different actual policies.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  340. Israel has identified 199 people as possible hostages in Gaza.(Hamas now broached the idea of exchanging them for 6,000 people)

    I’d be fine with that. Of course those 6,000 would arrive with tracker chips in them….

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  341. and would he credit other Republicans?

    Silly boy.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  342. The United States has almost reached an agreement with Egypt.

    https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/egypt-weighs-letting-in-foreigners-and-palestinians-from-gaza-7df43a5f

    To be let out of Gaza would be, in order:

    1. U.S. citizens with no other nationality.

    2. Dual U.S. citizens and citizens of other western powers.

    3. United Nations and other aid workers

    4. Employees of international companies.

    But this is all preliminary.

    Egypt initially resisted letting even Americans through on Saturday, asking that the U.S. and Israel first promise a safe passage for humanitarian aid from Egypt into Gaza, according to Egyptian officials. The U.S. estimates that there are between 500 and 600 Americans in Gaza.

    “Egypt has put in place a lot of material support for people in Gaza, and Rafah will be reopened,” Blinken told reporters in Cairo, after meeting with Sisi. “We are putting into place—with the United Nations, with Egypt, with Israel, with others—the mechanism by which to get the assistance in and to get it to the people who need it.”

    Sammy Finkelman (c5132f)

  343. Desantis probably doesn’t even realize that anything may have really changed. He’d be too scared to claim credit if it turns out nothing has changed, I know you said quaking in their boots , which doesn’t mean anything has yet stopped, and that’s too subtle..

    And it probably won’t fast at the street level (although the FBI is rounding up a whole fentanyl importing network after a 1 year old died in the Bronx in a day care center front for a big distributor..

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  344. Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/16/2023 @ 12:52 pm

    As I said above, Gaza, with its Mediterranean coast line, could be a vacation paradise,

    That’s what Trump told Kim Jong Un about North Korea, but he couldn’t interest the dictator even though he’dalready stated building.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-says-north-korea-beaches-great-place-for-hotels-condos-2018-6

    Trump applauds North Korea’s ‘great beaches,’ says they would be a perfect location for condos and hotels

    https://nypost.com/2019/10/19/us-promised-to-build-beach-resort-in-north-korea-during-nuclear-talks

    US negotiators dangled a Trumpian carrot before North Korean diplomats during nuclear talks two weeks ago: a promise to complete and expand a tourist resort that has been a favorite project of Kim Jong-un.

    The American diplomats offered the development help in exchange for denuclearization, according to the South Korean newspaper Hankook Ibo.

    The under-construction Kalma tourist area on North Korea’s east coast includes dozens of hotels, a shopping mall, and an indoor water park under a glass pyramid roof.

    Trump, who touted the Hermit Kingdom’s “great beaches” after his 2018 summit with Kim in Singapore, said the area “could have the best hotels in the world right here.”

    Sammy Finkelman (c5132f)

  345. George Will has some bitter thoughts about American politics, including this one:

    All but one of the Republican presidential aspirants should stop tiptoeing around the crucial fact about the other one: Donald Trump is an unexampled threat to national security. He is unambiguously supporting Putin, as is a growing cohort of congressional Republicans who, by opposing material aid to Ukraine, are preparing to enable Trump to keep his promise to end the war “in 24 hours.” This would consign Ukraine to eventually losing the 82 percent of its territory that Putin has not yet seized.

    Too strong? I’m still thinking about that question. But my hesitancy about disagreeing with Will should tell you something.

    Jim Miller (6ba8c8)

  346. https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/iran-spy-ring-robert-malley-lee-smith

    The Biden administration’s now-suspended Iran envoy Robert Malley helped to fund, support, and direct an Iranian intelligence operation designed to influence the United States and allied governments, according to a trove of purloined Iranian government emails. The emails, which were reported on by veteran Wall Street Journal correspondent Jay Solomon, writing in Semafor, and by Iran International, the London-based émigré opposition outlet which is the most widely read independent news source inside Iran, were published last week after being extensively verified over a period of several months by the two outlets. They showed that Malley had helped to infiltrate an Iranian agent of influence named Ariane Tabatabai into some of the most sensitive positions in the U.S. government—first at the State Department and now the Pentagon, where she has been serving as chief of staff for the assistant secretary of defense for special operations, Christopher Maier.

    On Thursday, Maier told a congressional committee that the Defense Department is “actively looking into whether all law and policy was properly followed in granting my chief of staff top secret special compartmented information.”

    The emails, which were exchanged over a period of several years between Iranian regime diplomats and analysts, show that Tabatabai was part of a regime propaganda unit set up in 2014 by the Iranian Foreign Ministry. The Iran Experts Initiative (IEI) tasked operatives drawn from Iranian diaspora communities to promote Iranian interests during the clerical regime’s negotiations with the United States over its nuclear weapons program. Though several of the IEI operatives and others named in the emails have sought to portray themselves on social media as having engaged with the regime in their capacity as academic experts, or in order to promote better understanding between the United States and Iran, none has questioned the veracity of the emails.

    The contents of the emails are damning, showing a group of Iranian American academics being recruited by the Iranian regime, meeting together in foreign countries to receive instructions from top regime officials, and pledging their personal loyalty to the regime. They also show how these operatives used their Iranian heritage and Western academic positions to influence U.S. policy toward Iran, first as outside “experts” and then from high-level U.S. government posts. Both inside and outside of government, the efforts of members of this circle were repeatedly supported and advanced by Malley, who served as the U.S. government’s chief interlocutor with Iran under both the Obama and the Biden administrations. Malley is also the former head of the International Crisis Group (ICG), which directly paid and credentialed several key members of the regime’s influence operation….

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  347. A majority of the Republican conference in the House now opposes further aid to Ukraine.

    The Biden Administration wants a national security bill that includes aid to Ukraine, Israel, Taiwan and the border.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  348. The next paragraph is pretty depressing, too:

    As the world becomes more ominous, clownishness among Republican presidential aspirants — let’s attack Mexico! — becomes more insufferable. Ron DeSantis promises gas at $2 a gallon — cheaper in inflation-adjusted terms than when the price was 26 cents in 1948. At a July event, a crazed New Hampshirite told Vivek Ramaswamy that the Federal Reserve is “adding zeros to the bank accounts to the media or maybe your political opponents.” Ramaswamy’s response included this: “You’re correct to point out what very few people are aware of. Absolutely, that happens.”

    Although if the Federal Reserve added a couple zeros to my brokerage account, I’d consider voting for Trump. But probably not Vivek.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  349. @275 Murder of 6 year old palestinian-american boy now being investigated by feds as hate crime. It still begins. If it had been a 6 year old jewish boy killed by palestinian I wonder if their still would be no comments here?

    asset (f51a02)

  350. Sammy Finkelman (c5132f) — 10/16/2023 @ 2:30 pm

    The Mediterranean is probably warmer.

    Rip Murdock (447c40)

  351. But Iran and Dubai have different actual policies.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/16/2023 @ 2:14 pm

    Iran isn’t an Arab country.

    Rip Murdock (447c40)

  352. Fish and Wildlife Service Delists 21 Species from the Endangered Species Act due to Extinction

    The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is delisting 21 species from the Endangered Species Act due to extinction. Based on rigorous reviews of the best available science for each of these species, the Service determined these species are extinct and should be removed from the list of species protected under the ESA. Most of these species were listed under the ESA in the 1970s and 80s and were in very low numbers or likely already extinct at the time of listing.
    …………
    Species being delisted due to extinction:
    ………..

    Rip Murdock (447c40)

  353. Too strong? I’m still thinking about that question. But my hesitancy about disagreeing with Will should tell you something.

    Jim Miller (6ba8c8) — 10/16/2023 @ 2:33 pm

    That’s because he’s right.

    Rip Murdock (447c40)

  354. Iran isn’t an Arab country.

    So sue me.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  355. Species being delisted due to extinction:

    There are a few that need delisting for not being an actual species. Like the Delta Smelt.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  356. I wonder if their still would be no comments here?

    What comment would you like? That is is senseless? How about:

    Who would have suspected this guy of being off his nutter?

    Kevin M (ed969f)


  357. Iran Warns Of ‘Pre-emptive Action’ Against Israel

    By AFP – Agence France Presse
    October 16, 2023

    Iran warned Monday of a possible “pre-emptive action” against Israel “in the coming hours”, as Israel readies for a ground offensive on the Gaza Strip.

    Tehran has repeatedly warned that a ground invasion of the long-blockaded Gaza would be met with a response from other fronts — prompting fears of a wider conflict that could draw in other countries.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  358. Breaking-

    Biden to visit Israel on Wednesday.

    Rip Murdock (447c40)

  359. Sending in the Marines:

    A US Marine rapid response force is headed to the waters off the coast of Israel and the Pentagon is preparing American troops for a potential deployment to the country, escalating the US’ show of force in the region as it works to prevent the conflict between Israel and Hamas from widening any further.

    A defense official familiar with the planning said the rapid response force, consisting of 2,000 Marines and sailors, is being sent. ……….
    …………,
    The 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU), which specializes in tasks such as amphibious operations, crisis response, humanitarian assistance, and certain special operations, had been stationed near Kuwait in recent weeks as part of a scheduled exercise there. But it departed early “as a result of emerging events,” Capt. Angelica White, a spokeswoman for the unit, told the Marine Corps Times on Wednesday.
    ………….
    Officials would not specify where exactly the Marine unit will now go, other than to say it is headed toward Israel. …………The unit is on board the USS Bataan, an amphibious assault ship which is currently in the Gulf of Oman, officials said.
    …………..

    Rip Murdock (447c40)

  360. More Troops:

    The U.S. military has selected roughly 2,000 troops to prepare for a potential deployment to support Israel, U.S. defense officials said. The troops are tasked with missions like advising and medical support, the officials said, and they are from across the U.S. armed services. They aren’t intended to serve in a combat role, the officials said. No infantry have been put on prepare-to-deploy order.

    ………… It isn’t clear under what circumstances the U.S. could deploy the troops or to where, but the Pentagon decision signaled it is preparing to support Israeli troops should Israel launch a ground incursion into Gaza. ………

    Rip Murdock (447c40)

  361. Sammy Finkelman (c5132f) — 10/16/2023 @ 1:37 pm

    Governor DeSantis is 100% correct. Hopefully he will be President DeSantis and implement steps to protect our border.

    I’ve asked you this question several times Sammy and you’ve never answered it.

    SHOULD ISRAEL BE REQUIRED TO ACCEPT ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS? HOW ABOUT THE RIGHT OF RETURN?

    You think our borders are worthless. What about theirs?

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  362. https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2023/10/in-what-sense-are-illegals-illegal.php

    On Thursday, the Department of Justice and the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau issued a joint statement that cautions banks and other lenders against “discriminating” against borrowers on the basis of immigration status. These agencies admit that no such prohibition is explicit in the relevant statutes, but nevertheless, banks should beware of federal enforcement action:

    The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and Department of Justice (collectively, the agencies) jointly issue this statement1 to assist creditors and borrowers in understanding the potential civil rights implications of a creditor’s consideration of an individual’s immigration status under the Equal Credit Opportunity Act (ECOA). ECOA does not expressly prohibit consideration of immigration status, and, as explained further below, a creditor may consider an applicant’s immigration status when necessary to ascertain the creditor’s rights regarding repayment. However, creditors should be aware that unnecessary or overbroad reliance on immigration status in the credit decisioning process, including when that reliance is based on bias, may run afoul of ECOA’s antidiscrimination provisions and could also violate other laws.

    The statement goes on and on, always couched in terms of “immigration status.” For example:

    [W]hile ECOA and Regulation B do not expressly prohibit consideration of immigration status, they do prohibit creditors from using immigration status to discriminate on the basis of national origin, race, or any other protected characteristic.

    Biden’s America where criminal aliens who steal identities are supposed to be guaranteed loans.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  363. https://freebeacon.com/democrats/minnesota-ag-keith-ellisons-chief-of-staff-promotes-pro-hamas-rally/

    Democratic Minnesota attorney general Keith Ellison’s chief of staff on Sunday promoted a pro-Hamas rally in Minneapolis, where demonstrators called for Israel’s eradication and told Israeli “settlers” to “#@$% off.”

    Donna Cassutt, who has served as Ellison’s chief of staff since 2019, advertised the rally in a Sunday tweet, which alerted Minnesotans that the “March for Palestine” was happening “today.” More than 1,000 pro-Hamas demonstrators went on to attend the rally in Minneapolis. Attendees brandished signs and repeated chants with the slogan “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free,” which advocates for the destruction of Israel. One attendee, meanwhile, held a sign saying, “Settlers #$%% off,” while others called to “end U.S. aid to Israel.”

    Cassutt’s promotion of the event comes as other prominent left-wing politicians face criticism over their own ties to pro-Hamas rallies in the wake of the terror group’s unprovoked assault on Israel.

    The Democratic Socialists of America, for example, sponsored an October 8 “All Out for Palestine” rally in Times Square, where attendees chanted that the terrorist assault was “justified.” The rally prompted the party’s prominent members, such as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D., N.Y.) to distance themselves from the demonstration. Ocasio-Cortez last week said the “bigotry and callousness expressed in Times Square … were unacceptable and harmful.”

    But Ellison’s office is yet to distance itself from the Minneapolis rally and did not return a request for comment. Ellison has also remained silent on Hamas’s attack, with the Democrat failing to issue a statement on the terror group’s mass killing of innocent Israelis.

    A pair of anti-Israel groups—American Muslims for Palestine and Students for Justice in Palestine—sponsored the Sunday rally in Minneapolis. Those groups have defended and even praised Hamas and its terrorists following its attack on Israel. American Muslims for Palestine one day after the attack issued a statement blaming Hamas’s terrorism on “increased Israeli aggression against the Palestinian people,” while Students for Justice in Palestine’s University of Minnesota chapter organized a Monday vigil “in loving memory of Palestine’s martyrs.”

    Those that hate America and hate Jews. Near 100% match.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  364. “Biden to visit Israel on Wednesday.”

    It must be a lot easier to catch a flight to Tel Aviv than El Paso.

    Israel is just another country whose borders Biden cares more about than our own.

    Yes, please tell me the two aren’t related.

    lloyd (02b27b)

  365. @364 NJRob any comment on the 6 year old palestinian boy stabbed to death in chicago as revenge for Israeli children being killed?

    asset (bbaf6f)

  366. RIP Lara Parker (84). Played the beautiful but vengeful witch Angelique Bouchard on “Dark Shadows”:

    An angry Angelique vows revenge and curses Barnabas into becoming a vampire, which precipitates a volatile love-hate relationship that lasts over multiple centuries.

    Rip Murdock (447c40)

  367. lloyd (02b27b) — 10/16/2023 @ 7:10 pm

    Biden was invited by Netanyahu to show solidarity with Israel. It would have been an insult to say no.

    Rip Murdock (447c40)

  368. Lara Parker completes the celebrity death trifecta: Suzanne Somers and Piper Laurie also died within the past week.

    Rip Murdock (447c40)

  369. A Tale of Two Elections:

    New Zealand Conservatives on Track to Win Majority in First Election After Ardern

    New Zealand’s conservative opposition was poised to win the most seats in a parliamentary election that centered on costs of living and crime, a result that would end six years of left-leaning government in a U.S. partner in the region.
    …………

    And:

    Poland election: Tusk’s opposition eyes power after pivotal vote

    Opposition parties appear to have won enough votes in Poland’s general election to oust the ruling right-wing populist Law and Justice (PiS) party, almost complete results show.

    With more than 99% of votes counted, PiS led with 35.64%, while Donald Tusk’s liberal Civic Coalition party had 30.48%.

    But Mr Tusk is now most likely to be able to form a broad coalition.

    That would end eight years of rule under PiS leader Jaroslaw Kaczynski.

    Although the winning party is expected to be offered the chance to form a government, Mr Kaczynski will fall well short of the 231 seats he needs to form a majority parliament, the Sejm.
    …………..

    Rip Murdock (447c40)

  370. Sending in the Marines:

    They’re on the USS Bataan, an amphibious assault carrier. Love the name. It was off Kuwait a week ago, after transiting the Suez in August. Apparently it’s transiting back.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  371. I don’t particularly like DeSantis, but he’d be a better president than Trump and, call it a political stunt, but he did the right thing.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  372. Also, this was a much better political stunt than when he fooled Venezuelans in Texas into getting on a plane, landing them briefly in Florida to make it legit, and then shipping ’em to Martha’s Vineyard for a photo op.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  373. At a July event, a crazed New Hampshirite told Vivek Ramaswamy that the Federal Reserve is “adding zeros to the bank accounts to the media or maybe your political opponents.” Ramaswamy’s response included this: “You’re correct to point out what very few people are aware of. Absolutely, that happens.”

    Talk about pandering!

    Privately owned banks create money, but always in the form of (new) loans, and it’s not political on an individual loan basis, although the Bank of the United States started to do that in the 1830s, after it was accused of that, I think.

    Sammy Finkelman (a88efb)

  374. What Iran planned can be compared to someone who studied and prepared a chess opening – it is important to take them out of “the book” I thin their plan included an Israeli invasion of Gaza.I think Iran wanted Hezbollah to attack before they did anything directly or has a time limit.

    “Biden to visit Israel on Wednesday.”

    Biden is turning himself into a human shield – the only human shield that may work for Hezbollah and Iran.

    Sammy Finkelman (a88efb)

  375. https://imra.org.il/story.php?id=74019

    …Israel’s leadership opted to kick the can down the road, embracing “quiet
    for quiet” – a phrase that may very well go down in modern Jewish history as one of the most catastrophic policies ever adopted.

    I would note that all the preparations carried out by Hamas in broad
    daylight for the disastrous October 7th were in compliance with “quiet for quiet”, as were the hundreds of thousands of rockets introduced into Lebanon, including those upgraded into guided missiles by Hezbollah. Because under “quiet for quiet” the enemy can do literally anything except pull the trigger. Classic “hudna”.

    The USS Gerald R. Ford Carrier Strike Group and other forces, now deployed off the coast, represent the Iron Dome dilemma on steroids.

    #1 Those carrier groups aren’t going to be here forever.

    #2 Those carrier groups aren’t Israeli – so instead of possibly deterring our enemies by showing how advanced our military technologies are (Iron Dome) we are showing our enemies how profoundly weak we are that we hide behind America.

    Today, we face a decision that could literally seal the Jewish State’s fate:

    We can either destroy Hezbollah’s long and medium-range missiles immediately (there aren’t any of the delaying complications in Lebanon that we have in the Gaza Strip) – angering the Americans while we still enjoy the deterrent effect of the American presence….

    …Let’s be clear: President Biden, his team, and many in his party will be furious if we don’t go quietly into the night.

    But Mr. Biden, no matter how angry he is, won’t order the USS Gerald R. Ford Carrier Strike Group to pull out to leave the Jewish State to its own defenses.

    It’s not a question of morality. It’s realpolitik.

    The rest of the world, including the Sunni states, is watching to see if the United States of America can be relied upon. If Mr. Biden abandons us no explanation will change the conclusion that America can’t be relied upon.

    Sammy Finkelman (a88efb)

  376. On the other hand, Khamenei or the Iranian regime night fall from power before he gives the order to Hezbollsah and his own forces to attack.

    Sammy Finkelman (a88efb)

  377. NJRob any comment on the 6 year old palestinian boy stabbed to death in chicago as revenge for Israeli children being killed?

    asset (bbaf6f) — 10/16/2023 @ 7:23 pm

    Prosecute the murderer to the fullest extent of the law.

    Now will you retract your support for the anti-Semitic squad?

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  378. Biden is arriving in Israel tomorrow.
    When Zelenskyy requested a visit to express solidarity, Netanyahu said “neyn”.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  379. @373

    Also, this was a much better political stunt than when he fooled Venezuelans in Texas into getting on a plane, landing them briefly in Florida to make it legit, and then shipping ’em to Martha’s Vineyard for a photo op.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 10/16/2023 @ 9:55 pm

    No one was fooled by that and Florida agency has documented signatures that those illegal aliens knew where they were going.

    We need to stop thinking that these illegal aliens are dumb… they’re far from it, and knows the political realities.

    You see, this is a Rorschach test of your own biases not unlike anything we’ve seen under Trump. There are far more, easier legit things to ding them both but for some reason people want to perpetuate outright falsehood.

    whembly (5f7596)

  380. whembly (5f7596) — 10/17/2023 @ 7:33 am

    I don’t know what kind of CYA that Florida officials under DeSantis were engaging in, but the Venezuelans who were part of the FL governor’s photo op didn’t know where they were going.

    Daniel Cauro and his sister, both migrants from Venezuela, were excited when they got onto a plane in Texas after their monthslong journey to the U.S. The siblings had already been lawfully permitted to remain in the U.S pending the outcome of their claims for asylum. Neither one had ever been on a plane and said they were told they were going somewhere where they’d have access to help and housing.

    Neither one knew they were going to Martha’s Vineyard in Massachusetts. They were among 50 migrants flown from Texas to Martha’s Vineyard on flights arranged by the office of Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis.

    My objections to DeSantis’ stunt remain two-fold: (1) he used Venezuelans, who are victims of socialism every bit as much as Cubans, and (2) he imported them from Texas instead of scrounging around for refugees/illegals in-state. It’s doubtful they knew they were being rounded up by political operatives, to be used as political pawns by a governor with presidential ambitions.
    Does this mean I won’t support DeSantis? No. If I had to choose between him and Trump, it’s Ron every time.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  381. And I’d choose DeSantis over Biden, but I think Haley would have a better shot at winning.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  382. On the other hand, Khamenei or the Iranian regime night fall from power before he gives the order to Hezbollsah and his own forces to attack.

    Yeah, not waiting for that.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  383. And I’d choose DeSantis over Biden, but I think Haley would have a better shot at winning.

    And would be someone I could whole-heartedly support. Our best shot this cycle at righting the ship.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  384. I’d vote for Haley (or any candidate) who gives a speech like this.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  385. @382

    And I’d choose DeSantis over Biden, but I think Haley would have a better shot at winning.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 10/17/2023 @ 8:02 am

    Same.

    I think Haley would actually be amazing POTUS too.

    They all have issues, but there’s definitely discernable net positives of a Haley or DeSantis administration.

    whembly (5f7596)

  386. the 6 year old palestinian boy stabbed to death in chicago as revenge for Israeli children being killed?

    asset (bbaf6f) — 10/16/2023 @ 7:23 pm

    No, that wasn’t the reason. The reason for it was that their landlord had heard of the call for a “Day of Rage” last Friday by former Hamas chief Khaled Meshaal (he stepped down just before his 61st birthday, after approximately 21 years, as chairman of Hamas’ Politburo at the end of his term in May 2017, and who knows what’s behind that?)

    And their landlord turned murderer had somehow convinced himself that this mother and son would be part of it.

    And apparently he decided to kill them first before they killed him or maybe it was that they would point him out to some Islamist killer.

    Less paranoid people just took precautions.

    Sammy Finkelman (a88efb)

  387. Good News:

    Ukraine launched Army Tactical Missile Systems (ATACMS) missiles at Russian forces on Tuesday, marking the first time that the U.S.-provided weapons have been used in the conflict in Ukraine.
    ……….
    On Tuesday, the Ukrainian military’s communication department said on the Telegram messaging app that it “made well-aimed strikes on enemy airfields and helicopters near the temporarily occupied Luhansk and Berdyansk.”

    The ATACMS models that were provided have a range of about 100 miles.
    ……….
    Ukraine’s Special Operations Forces said the attacks caused dozens of Russian casualties and destroyed nine Russian helicopters, an air defense launcher and an ammunition depot. It said the military struck the two airfields after receiving intelligence that Russia was using them as a major base for aircraft, military hardware and ammunition in the occupied territories.
    ………

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  388. I’d vote for Haley (or any candidate) who gives a speech like this.

    Hurd endorsed Haley

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  389. “the [Ukrainian] military struck the two airfields after receiving intelligence that Russia was using them as a major base for aircraft, military hardware and ammunition in the occupied territories.”

    The pro-Ukraine mil-X’ers have been posting satellite photos of Berdyansk helicopte bases for months saying “if only the US would give us ATACAM’s with cluster munitions, this place is perfect”
    and the Russians decided not to take preventative measures that might actually work against a 27 year old piece of technology.
    The US military would have defended with high tech which is correct vs missiles but the way to attack the US is with low tech, low cost swarms of drones dropping scavenged cluster munitions, old hand grenades, old mortar shells etc.

    steveg (d8884b)

  390. Hurd endorsed Haley

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/17/2023 @ 9:40 am

    When I hear Haley give a similar speech, I will endorse her.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  391. When I hear Haley give a similar speech, I will endorse her.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/17/2023 @ 9:57 am

    In front of a pro-Trump audience.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  392. It looks like Jordan won’t get it this round. 13 GOP votes against so far.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  393. When I hear Haley give a similar speech, I will endorse her.

    At which point she will have lost. It’s real white of Hurd, with his 0% chance to make that speech, but Janis explained how that goes.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  394. House roll call vote going on for Speaker. Jeffries voted for himself (with some accompanying cheering afterwards);Jordan voted for himself, (with some accompanying cheering afterwards.

    Jordan got some opponents to announce they will vote for him yesterday by making some promises like being open to the combined national security aid bill which would include aid to Ukraine.

    It looks like he won’t make it, though.

    Sammy Finkelman (a88efb)

  395. Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/17/2023 @ 10:27 am

    It’s called political courage. If she did so, not only would she gain brownie points for courage, she would probably win more support.

    Rip Murdock (dc18a3)

  396. she would probably win more support.

    Perhaps. But she’s the one who has to judge that, not you or me.

    She has been trashing Trump’s statements on Israel pretty loudly this week. Her aim is getting votes from the persuadeables, not just acting out like Hurd.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  397. It’s called political courage.

    Courage is going “over the top” with your company. Idiocy is doing it by yourself.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  398. So far Jeffries is winning by double digits.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  399. All votes in, Jordan doesn’t break 200.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  400. OOOPs. NY Times list is sorted weird. Still a few GOP not voting.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  401. Jeffries 212, Jordan 200, 20 other, 1 not voting

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  402. The question now is: Do votes start going for Jordan on the second round, or away from him?

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  403. I was hoping for a vote for Liz Cheney.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  404. Jordan would need to turn 18 of the 20 non-Jordan votes.
    I notice that Zeldin picked up a few votes. Better him than Jordan, I suppose.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  405. Mr. Erickson

    A member of Congress who will remain nameless texted me: “Can’t reward the hostage takers.” That member voted against Jordan, mostly because the member views this as a fight against Gaetz, etc.

    Hostage takers and co-conspirators.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  406. Jeffries 212, Jordan 200, 20 other, 1 not voting

    Total membership in the House right now is 433. Total number of votes cast: 433. Seems to be that Jordan needs only 13 out of 21 more votes, and can lose eight.

    Sammy Finkelman (bcd381)

  407. Jordan’s not very honest about things, but he has a good personality.

    Sammy Finkelman (bcd381)

  408. Jordan’s not very honest about things, but he has a good personality.

    Sammy Finkelman (bcd381) — 10/17/2023 @ 11:43 am

    Now that is Comedy Gold! He’s one of the most irascible members of the House. No one would ever describe him as Mr. Congeniality.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  409. #408 —-

    Are you kidding? That’s like saying Trump is charming and even tempered.

    Appalled (9a483f)

  410. 408-410. On television, when speaking in public, he comes across as amiable. Although often with subtle twists to the facts.

    Sammy Finkelman (bcd381)

  411. Well, this is different:

    House Speaker George W. Bush?

    One House Democrat pushed that idea Monday as a potential way to break the paralysis created by the vacancy in the chamber’s top position.

    Rep. Brad Sherman of California said the Republican former president could be a compromise choice that each party could live with in the closely divided House.

    Sherman has not been a big fan of Bush in the past.

    Jim Miller (6f9100)

  412. Anyone predict Jordan’s loss margin? (I didn’t; I thought he wuld lose, but by a smaller margin.)

    Jim Miller (6f9100)

  413. “Gaza, with its Mediterranean coast line, could be a vacation paradise”
    That would require relocating all the Palestinians.
    Paradise vacations and Islamist religious fundamentalists don’t really get along.
    Lebanon used to be one of the most beautiful places on that eastern coast line and then the jihadis showed up.
    Lebanon still has natural beauty, but its hard to soak it in when you have to look over your shoulder.
    The beaches in Yemen get great reviews on Trip Advisor even though the US State Dept also has its own advisory against going there

    steveg (8a0cef)

  414. I was more adventurous when I was younger- civil war? We’ll have the whole place to ourselves!

    steveg (8a0cef)

  415. On television, when speaking in public, he comes across as amiable. Although often with subtle twists to the facts.

    Sammy Finkelman (bcd381) — 10/17/2023 @ 12:26 pm

    LOL! You obviously have never listened to him in committee hearings.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  416. I get the sense that the whole “durm and strang” that this chaos isn’t impacting the government… yet.

    Nothing so dire or serious happening right now that necessitates the need of a new Speaker, so the malcontents are comfortable in being obstinate at the moment.

    That calculous changes, though, when a functioning Congress is needed.

    whembly (5f7596)

  417. On television, when speaking in public, he comes across as amiable. Although often with subtle twists to the facts.

    Good grief. When I think of Jim Jordan, the words “amiable” and “subtle” have never come to mind. He’s as subtle as a jackhammer, and friendly as one.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  418. She would probably win more support.

    Perhaps. But she’s the one who has to judge that, not you or me.

    She has been trashing Trump’s statements on Israel pretty loudly this week. Her aim is getting votes from the persuadeables, not just acting out like Hurd.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/17/2023 @ 10:34 am

    I disagree. It is up to voters to decide if they want to support a candidate that just barely walks up to the line in criticizing Trump without actually doing so. So what if she is trashing Trump’s statements on Israel-who hasn’t? In a couple of weeks no one will remember either Trump’s statements or Haley’s response. Haley hasn’t developed a cogent argument why Trump shouldn’t be the nominee and stuck with it.

    The universe of persuadables is disappearing rapidly because those that are left are being persuaded to vote for Trump.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  419. FoxNews and this source are saying that the Gaza hospital was struck by a misfired Islamic Jihad missile, not IDF.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  420. Nothing so dire or serious happening right now that necessitates the need of a new Speaker…….

    No Speaker means no aid to Israel.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  421. @422

    No Speaker means no aid to Israel.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/17/2023 @ 1:26 pm

    Israel is doing fine in the near term.

    Heck, there’s two Carrier groups in the region now.

    Long term? Like, towards the end of the year… Yeah, Israel likely need some help.

    whembly (5f7596)

  422. @421

    FoxNews and this source are saying that the Gaza hospital was struck by a misfired Islamic Jihad missile, not IDF.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 10/17/2023 @ 1:23 pm

    It’s just best to consider anything out of Hamas’ mouth as propaganda until proven otherwise.

    whembly (5f7596)

  423. 13 out of 21 more votes

    Uh, no. He needs 217 votes. 433/2 + 1. That’s 17 more than he got.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  424. “Gaza, with its Mediterranean coast line, could be a vacation paradise”
    That would require relocating all the Palestinians.

    Why? Thousands of Gazans could be employed in the construction and hospitality sectors, as well as spillover industries. Livable housing could be created, again creating thousands of construction jobs. What Gaza needs is a stable society and governance, all of which has been lacking for the past 50 years.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  425. I like the George W Bush idea. Except that he’d be bypassed if it came time to succeed to the WH. Perhaps Paul Ryan?

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  426. Israel is doing fine in the near term.

    Israel has requested $10B in emergency aid, including 155-millimeter ammunition, replacement ammunition for the Iron Dome missile defense system, precision-guided bombs, and JDAM kits. Not gonna happen without a Speaker.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  427. Paradise vacations and Islamist religious fundamentalists don’t really get along.

    There are a lot of Christian fundamentalists in the Bible Belt. But they are a minority even there. I really do not get this “Oh, California has gone LEft, so everyone in California is a Marxist!” thing.

    It’s a lot like asking someone from Philly if they know your cousin Joe, who lives there.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  428. Not gonna happen without a Speaker.

    Some of that may not happen with a Speaker. How many Iron Dome reloads do we actually have?

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  429. I like the George W Bush idea. Except that he’d be bypassed if it came time to succeed to the WH. Perhaps Paul Ryan?

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/17/2023 @ 1:39 pm

    I seriously doubt the current Republican House conference would ever consider either Bush or Ryan. They are completely despised by the MAGAites.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  430. 425. Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/17/2023 @ 1:35 pm

    Uh, no. He needs 217 votes. 433/2 + 1. That’s 17 more than he got.

    He only needs one more vote than Jeffries got, which is 212. 212+1 =213.

    Now 433/2 = 216 1/2 – and the next higher whole number is 217.

    Are there any votes missing or voters unaccounted for?

    No. 212+200+20+1 = 433. I checked it with a calculator.

    Where’s the mistake?

    Now 200+13 = 213
    212+0 = 212

    20+1 = 21 and 21-13=8

    Finally, 213+212+8 = 433.

    Maybe 217 is needed because a plurality doesn’t win?

    That could be why most Congresspeople who didn’t vote for either Jim Jordan or Hakeem Jeffries voted for someone usually Kevin McCarthy or Steve Scalise. It was to raise the threshold.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  431. Aircraft carrier USS Dwight D. Eisenhower left Norfolk, Virginia, 3 days ago. The intention has to be to relieve the USS Gerald R. Ford after it gets there. It will take it ten days just to get to Gibraltar.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  432. Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/17/2023 @ 1:01 pm

    You obviously have never listened to him in committee hearings.

    I’ve heard sound bites. He doesn’t raise his voice.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  433. You obviously have never listened to him in committee hearings.

    I’ve heard sound bites. He doesn’t raise his voice.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 10/17/2023 @ 2:28 pm

    He badgers witnesses, talks over them, speechifies, and doesn’t care if they have an answer or not.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  434. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hawley-taps-doj-investigate-pro-palestinian-student-groups-potential-ties-hamas

    How come Senator Josh Hawley is the only person doing this?

    Who gets the idea for making a demonstration in support of Hamas right after they committed the worst attack on Jews since Nazi times? And if someone gets the idea, who gets the idea simultaneously? There have to be terror ties and probably money laundering.

    Of course, he should write, they should carefully examine their tip line. And maybe call, in general terms, for anyone who knows something of the kind to report it. And check and find out what any ongoing investigation has turned up that they maybe didn’t attach sufficient significance to.

    The German American Bund never penetrated any significant organizations like seems to have happened here on college campuses and elsewhere.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  435. By the way, somebody has got call “Palestinian” Arab and Islamic self-righteousness, – with that word – and support by others that isn’t even fazed by a major act of mass murder.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  436. Aircraft carrier USS Dwight D. Eisenhower left Norfolk, Virginia, 3 days ago. The intention has to be to relieve the USS Gerald R. Ford after it gets there.

    The intention is to augment the Ford Carrier Strike Group, so there will be two carriers in the eastern Med. The aim is to provide sufficient deterrent and retaliatory capabilities against Hezbollah and Iran. U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd J. Austin III said:

    I have directed the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower Carrier Strike Group (CSG) to begin moving to the Eastern Mediterranean. As part of our effort to deter hostile actions against Israel or any efforts toward widening this war following Hamas’s attack on Israel, the Strike Group includes the guided-missile cruiser USS Philippine Sea (CG 58), guided-missile destroyers USS Gravely (DDG 107) and USS Mason (DDG 87), and Carrier Air Wing 3, with nine aircraft squadrons, and embarked headquarters staffs.

    The Eisenhower CSG will join the USS Gerald R. Ford Carrier Strike Group, which arrived earlier this week. The Ford CSG includes the USS Normandy, USS Thomas Hudner, USS Ramage, USS Carney, and USS Roosevelt. Earlier in the week, the U.S. Air Force announced deployment to the region of squadrons of F-15, F-16 and A-10 fighter aircraft.

    The increases to U.S. force posture signal the United States’ ironclad commitment to Israel’s security and our resolve to deter any state or non-state actor seeking to escalate this war.


    ………..

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  437. The New York Times has ‘splaining to do about their bias.

    This afternoon came word of a horrific set of explosions at a hospital in Gaza. Within minutes, Hamas propagandists were not only claiming a death toll of 500 but that an Israeli rocket had targeted and destroyed the hospital. One might perhaps think it prudent to keep one’s powder dry when a terrorist organization claims its enemy did something bad. You would think wrong. Within minutes of that, this was the headline and subhed atop the New York Times: “ISRAEL STRIKE KILLS HUNDREDS AT HOSPITAL, PALESTINIANS SAY. At least 500 dead; Israel urges caution as it investigates.”

    Please note it did not read “Missile Strike Kills Hundreds at Hospital; Investigation Ongoing.” The formulation of the headline sentence was designed to make Israel the motive actor, even if the final clause acknowledges it as a Palestinian claim.

    Oh, and did the entire gang of moral equivalencers go immediately to work. My favorite, or my least favorite, is of course NGO hustler supreme Kenneth Roth, who is to human rights what Gogol’s Chichikov was to dead souls. He began tweeting and retweeting the claim that Israel had committed this supposed barbarity. Not to be outdone, Rep. Rashida Tlaib, who is to legislating as Joseph Goebbels was to newspapering, stated outright on X that Israel had murdered people at the hospital.

    The Times changed their headline shortly afterward, after the IDF put out video footage, but their choice on who to believe at the outset is something else. BTW, AG put out an interesting video here (worth a watch).

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  438. I stand by my statement that paradise vacation places and Islamist fundamentalists do not get along
    I’ll use Tunisia as my example because Tunisian are very moderate, women have full status, and it is the least religious country in the Arab world

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/28/tunisia-attack-how-a-man-with-a-parasol-could-38-people-on-the-beach

    Palestinians are far more radicalized than Tunisians, down to the very young boys and as long as they remain radicalized and are in Gaza, (at least 2 -3 generations out) Gaza won’t be much of a resort destination

    I concede it is possible that someday a bunch of heavily armed West Virginian snake handling Christian folks might travel over towards Atlantic City in their old Bluebird church bus to help a guy shoot that den of iniquity up.
    Never say never when it comes to crazy

    steveg (8a0cef)

  439. Failure to Launch:

    The super PAC supporting Tim Scott’s presidential bid is canceling most of its remaining TV spending, reversing course after reserving $40 million in ads for him ahead of the Iowa caucuses.

    The retreat from TV is the latest sign of how dire the primary has become for a candidate who once anticipated outside help from big donors — but who is now polling in low single digits and hasn’t yet qualified for the third debate.
    ………
    “We are doing what would be obvious in the business world but will mystify politicos — we aren’t going to waste our money when the electorate isn’t focused or ready for a Trump alternative,” wrote Rob Collins, co-chair of the super PAC, who said the “Never-Trump field” is going to be “wasting money this fall” trying to undermine Trump’s current lead.

    “This electorate is locked up and money spent on mass media isn’t going to change minds until we get a lot closer to voting,” Collins continued.
    ……….
    The super PAC’s reversal of strategy illustrates the continued difficulty anyone but Donald Trump has had gaining traction in the GOP primary. The pivot comes as the South Carolina senator is lagging in both early state and national polling, and as he has been eclipsed by his homestate rival, Nikki Haley. ………
    ……….
    Scott was once seen by high-dollar GOP donors and some Republican consultants as one of the top alternatives to Trump, should DeSantis’ momentum fizzle out. DeSantis’ polling lead over his non-Trump rivals has indeed all but vanished, though Haley is now the one with the attention of top Republican financiers desperately trying to stop Trump from securing the nomination — a task that remains a longshot.
    ………
    Collins also cautioned against any movement to unite around Haley, writing that those at the super PAC “reject this advice” and slamming her as not being conservative enough to win the Republican nomination.

    “No serious person thinks a moderate will win this primary no matter how many elite insiders champion their candidacies,” he said, while later saying “DeSantis and Haley have only traded vote share.”
    ……….

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  440. I stand by my statement that paradise vacation places and Islamist fundamentalists do not get along

    Once Hamas is eliminated the fundamentalists will be gone.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  441. Maybe 217 is needed because a plurality doesn’t win?

    Where have you been?

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  442. Aircraft carrier USS Dwight D. Eisenhower left Norfolk, Virginia, 3 days ago. The intention has to be to relieve the USS Gerald R. Ford after it gets there. It will take it ten days just to get to Gibraltar.

    Sammy, you’re batting zero today. They are sending the Ike because 1) “more” and 2) they may need more supplies by then. They are also sending several ships to support amphibious Marine landings.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  443. @ Squad is not anti-semetic Who has killed more children Hamas or Israel?

    asset (72a311)

  444. Latest preacher busted for kiddie perversion. Cameron cotrill minister mississsippi coast church. Suffer the little children unto me! The moral majority strikes again!

    asset (72a311)

  445. I stand by my statement that Scott should drop out and endorse Haley.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  446. Latest preacher busted for kiddie perversion

    How many leftists do this, or don’t you keep count?

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  447. Who has killed more children Hamas or Israel?

    Hamas has killed all of them.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  448. I stand by my statement that Scott should drop out and endorse Haley.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/17/2023 @ 4:22 pm

    I’m sure that will have the same impact that Hurd’s endorsement had: 0.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  449. Hurd was a nobody (whom you offer as a somebody). But a train of endorsements is what put Biden over the top. Don’t underestimate the effect of news stories on causal voters (i.e. most voters).

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  450. Given Hayley’s at best ambiguous position on abortion, in contrast to Scott’s, I doubt Scott will endorse her.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  451. Casual Republican voters have already made their choice, and it’s not any of the Lilliputians.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  452. I don’t see Scott dropping out before Iowa-that is where his (evangelical) voters are.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  453. Hurd was a nobody (whom you offer as a somebody).

    Even though Hurd was at 0%, he was better known among political junkies than Suarez. I still contend this speech is so far the best political moment of the campaign. Nothing like going down in flames by telling the truth to those that don’t want to hear it.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  454. Asset,

    will you call out the anti-Semitism of the squad or not? This isn’t difficult. Same with our other resident leftists.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  455. SF: Maybe 217 is needed because a plurality doesn’t win?

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/17/2023 @ 4:02 pm

    Where have you been?

    I forgot that detail, and it hasn’t been repeated in any thing I read.

    But I remember that’s why (Gaetz I think) voted present in the end when Speaker McCarthy was elected.

    Here is a link:

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3803334-mccarthy-fails-to-win-speakership-as-gaetz-casts-deciding-vote

    McCarthy received 216 votes, with 212 for incoming House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.) and four Republicans voting for other candidates. Gaetz and Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.) voted present.

    That left McCarthy with 216 of the 432 votes cast, one less than he needed for a majority.

    I think “present”reduces the number needed.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  456. Nothing like going down in flames by telling the truth to those that don’t want to hear it.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/17/2023 @ 4:37 pm

    If the other non-Trump supporting Lilliputians did the same thing as a group they might actually galvanize support among the “persuadables.”

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  457. I think “present” reduces the number needed.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 10/17/2023 @ 4:43 pm

    Only if the Democrats voted present, not fellow Republicans. Voting “present” by Republicans just denies the Speaker candidate a majority.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  458. @456 Again the squad is not anti-semetic unless you consider anyone who calls the bottle deposit crook netanhayu corrupt an anti-semite.

    asset (72a311)

  459. @458 “persuadables” The same daily fairy dust. How do you persuade republicans who loathe never trumpers as rinos. As trump rises in polls fairy dusters pretend he is falling in the polls! How many times do republicans have to tell you to not let the door hit you on the way out!

    asset (72a311)

  460. @458 “persuadables” The same daily fairy dust.

    I agree. The same applies to “moderate” Republican House members. They usually fold in the end. Today at least a few found their backbones again.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  461. NJ Robb AOC on monday said Israel has a right to defend itself.(CNN) Please explain how this is an anti-semetic statement.

    asset (72a311)

  462. Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/17/2023 @ 4:45 pm

    Voting “present” by Republicans just denies the Speaker candidate a majority.

    Two people voting present (or absent altogether) reduces the number needed to win by 1.

    Sammy Finkelman (bcd381)

  463. Asset,

    does Israel have a right to exist as a Jewish State?

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  464. The squad is virulently anti-Semitic. That’s plain as day.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  465. Two people voting present (or absent altogether) reduces the number needed to win by 1.

    Sammy Finkelman (bcd381) — 10/17/2023 @ 6:24 pm

    Show your math.

    Rip Murdock (dc18a3)

  466. @465 They do “IF” they make it clear to those in likud, other far right and religious parties that their demand to expel Israeli arab citizens will not be tolerated.

    asset (72a311)

  467. I don’t see Scott dropping out before Iowa-that is where his (evangelical) voters are.

    That is exactly what his backers did.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  468. I don’t see Scott dropping out before Iowa-that is where his (evangelical) voters are.

    That is exactly what his backers did.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/17/2023 @ 11:40 pm

    His super PAC pulled their TV advertising, but they are still conducting grassroots and door knocking activities, which is more effective in a small state like Iowa rather than California.

    Rip Murdock (dc18a3)

  469. Keeping It Classy:

    The wife of Rep. Don Bacon (R-NE) reportedly received anonymous text messages and emails warning her husband to back Rep. Jim Jordan’s (R-OH) House speakership campaign ahead of Tuesday’s vote.

    “Jim’s been nice, one-on-one, but his broader team has been playing hardball,” said Bacon in an interview with Politico.
    ………
    Politico reporter Olivia Beavers shared several screenshots of the text messages sent to Bacon’s wife from anonymous senders who refused to identify themselves.

    “Why is your husband causing chaos by not supporting Jim Jordan? I thought he was a team player,” read one text, to which Bacon’s wife responded, “Who is this???”

    The anonymous sender then warned, “Your husband will not hold any political office ever again. What a disappoint [sic] and failure he is.”

    “He has more courage than you. You won’t put your name to your statements,” Bacon’s wife shot back.
    ………
    The aggressive messages seemed to have the opposite effect on Bacon, who voted for ousted speaker Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) on Tuesday instead of Jordan.
    ………..

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  470. There goes Mr. Jordan….

    At least ten Republicans have voted against Jim Jordan for Speaker.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  471. Even John Boehner (!) received one vote.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  472. The only question now is whether the non-Jordan votes are higher or lower than 20.
    I hope it’s higher, which can help the House can move to another candidate for Speaker, a guy who didn’t put Trump above his country. Right now, I’m liking McHenry.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  473. Down goes Jordan! Down goes Jordan!

    Rip Murdock (dc18a3)

  474. Here’s an interesting detail:

    The four Republicans who voted for Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) on Tuesday but not today — Reps. Vern Buchanan (Fla.), Drew Ferguson (Ga.), Mariannette Miller-Meeks (Iowa) and Pete Stauber (Minn.) — don’t fall into the categories that many of the previous Jordan holdouts do.

    None of them are on the House Appropriations Committee or the House Armed Services Committee. Nor are they members of the Problem Solvers Caucus, which is home to many moderate Republicans. And they don’t represent especially competitive districts.

    But they have one thing in common: All four voted to certify President Biden as the winner of the 2020 election.

    Jim Miller (5c2a83)

  475. Jim Miller (5c2a83) — 10/18/2023 @ 10:37 am

    Rep. Ken Buck (who voted to remove McCarthy) felt the same way:

    One of the 20 Republicans who voted against Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) in his bid for House speaker on Tuesday says he did so because Jordan won’t state that President Joe Biden legitimately won the 2020 election.

    Rep. Ken Buck (R-Colo.) challenged Jordan to say the election wasn’t stolen during a party meeting last week. He said he raised the issue again during a one-on-one meeting with Jordan on Monday evening but came away unsatisfied.
    ……….
    “If we don’t have the moral clarity to decide whether President Biden won or not, we don’t have the moral clarity to rule in this country, period,” Buck said last week.

    Needless to say Buck voted for Rep. Tom Emmer again today.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  476. Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/18/2023 @ 10:55 am

    Source

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  477. they are still conducting grassroots and door knocking activities, which is more effective in a small state like Iowa rather than California.

    Given the way that TV is these days, retail politics is probably staging a comeback. It’s really hard to push political ads onto someone’s BluRay, or Netflix stream. Maybe that’s why the big push of ads on streaming — the companies think that they’ll get a lot of political buys — but to me it seems like an off-pisser.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  478. (GOP Rep. Mike) Waltz against empowering McHenry, calls it a “slippery slope” as House GOP remains split on path forward

    ………..
    “I do not support this effort. At least the last conversation I had with Speaker Pro Tem McHenry to start the slippery slope of broadening his powers. Look we have to remember he was written in secret on a piece of paper. This is not a constitutional position, now if he wants to run for speaker that’s a different, that’s a whole different dynamic,” Waltz said.
    ……….
    When asked by CNN how he thinks this makes the House GOP look to voters, Waltz said: “Well, not great, frankly. This war changes things for me, and we need to get behind a speaker and the differences is the point I’ve made the differences between every Republican in that room pale in comparison to us and the progressives and they pale in comparison to Americans and Israelis and the terrorists.”
    #########

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  479. Jordan isn’t converging on a victory, and the more his people squeeze, the more votes slip through his fingers.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  480. McHenry is looking like the next speaker. Talk about a greasy pole.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  481. McHenry is looking like the next speaker. Talk about a greasy pole.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/18/2023 @ 11:52 am

    Albeit a temporary speaker. He’s made it clear he doesn’t want the job.

    ………Any maneuver to empower McHenry would face plenty of resistance from conservatives, many of whom see the Financial Services chair as little more than an extension of McCarthy. One Freedom Caucus member privately remarked that if McHenry is given more sway, “Kevin is ultimately going to be running the show.”
    ……..
    There’s another problem: McHenry himself isn’t on board with the plan, according to multiple lawmakers………

    Instead, McHenry is privately telling Republicans that he believes he is in a temporary role meant to guide the conference to a new leader, joking that he is speaker number “55.5” — acting only as the bridge between McCarthy and his successor.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  482. Then they have to go back to Scalise, once Jordan is done.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  483. #485.

    They don’t have to do anything. Except give Gaetz a wedgie when all this finishes. (I bet that guy is starting to miss the attention now that he’s just a backbencher again)

    Appalled (9c3cfb)

  484. Then they have to go back to Scalise, once Jordan is done.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/18/2023 @ 12:13 pm

    Scalise supports Jordan.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  485. The highly popular 30-year fixed mortgage rate hit 8% on Wednesday. Interest rates soared a whopping 20 basis points this week and the 30-year fixed-rate mortgage actually hit 8% for the first time since 2000.

    This means a $400,000 home with 20% down costs $1,000 per month more today than it did two years ago when the 30-year fixed rate mortgage was around 3%.

    Mortgage applications fell 7% last week as interest rates continued to rise.

    Biden voters making home ownership a pipe dream for the next generation

    NJRob (3520ae)

  486. NJRob (3520ae) — 10/18/2023 @ 1:42 pm

    Biden voters making home ownership a pipe dream for the next generation

    No, that’s the Federal Reserve Board raising interest rates – and the inflation was not caused by the deficit, which was actually less now. If housing prices collapse, we could get another 2007-8

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  487. Then they have to go back to Scalise, once Jordan is done.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/18/2023 @ 12:13 pm

    No, the people who started this won;t do it.

    The House is deadlocked. It may have to be resolved with a deal with Democrats .

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  488. Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/18/2023 @ 11:57 am

    Instead, McHenry is privately telling Republicans that he believes he is in a temporary role meant to guide the conference to a new leader, joking that he is speaker number “55.5” — acting only as the bridge between McCarthy and his successor.

    They cold elect McHenry Speaker number 56 – with the understanding that there will be a vote to remove him in 35 days.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  489. and the inflation was not caused by the deficit, which was actually less now.

    Inflation is a lagging indicator. Pumping trillions of new money into an economy, past the point when it is needed, is guaranteed to set off inflation as people spend money carelessly. Doing so, while holding interest rates down, is a classic boom-and-bust move.

    Trump did part of it, but what was needed during the pandemic was NOT needed in 2022. But Biden had an agenda. He also paid workers not to work, long after the lockdowns, in a way that drove wages up for unskilled labor (skilled labor wasn’t interested in even doubled UI).

    It’s why you can’t get a hamburger and fries from McDonald’s for under $10, and why that can of chili is now $2.79, not $1.69.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  490. They could elect McHenry Speaker number 56 – with the understanding that there will be a vote to remove him in 35 days.

    I don’t think you understand the duties and sheer power of the House Speaker. It’s not something you take on for a few weeks. At least not intentionally. Don’t compare it to the toothless Senate President job.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  491. Scalise supports Jordan.

    And Jordan supported both Scalise and McCarthy. Or at least voted for them.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  492. 411

    [The Hamas pogrom of October 7] wasn’t livestreamed, but it was sent various places after the fact. They all came with wore body cameras worn on their heads, which preserved footage.

    They did livestream captives later:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/17/technology/hamas-hostages-social-media.html

    Hamas Hijacked Victims’ Social Media Accounts to Spread Terror

    The use of hostages’ Facebook, Instagram and WhatsApp accounts to livestream attacks and issue death threats is a new tactic, experts said.

    Not the very initial attacks, which would have lost the element of surrise, and I think the intent wasn’t to spread terror but to disturb Israelis and lure the Israeli army into invading Gaza. (without careful preparation) ..followed by a massive barrage from Lebanon, culminating in an Iranian ballistic missile – the steps being done that way in order to minimize the chances of retaliation on Iran.

    Shortly after Hamas attacked Israel on Oct. 7, friends and relatives of Gali Shlezinger Idan, who lived in a kibbutz near the Gaza border, received frantic messages to check her Facebook page.

    What they found shocked them. Hamas members were using Ms. Idan’s Facebook account to livestream themselves holding her and her family hostage. During the 43-minute broadcast, gunmen forced Ms. Idan and her family to crouch on a tile floor as missiles and gunfire blasted their building.

    …In at least four cases, Hamas members logged into the personal social media accounts of their hostages to livestream the Oct. 7 attacks. In the days since, Hamas also appeared to infiltrate their hostages’ Facebook groups, Instagram accounts and WhatsApp chats to issue death threats and calls for violence. Hamas members also took hostages’ cellphones to make calls to taunt friends and relatives, according to the Israeli families and their friends. Israel’s military has said at least 199 people have been taken hostage by Hamas.

    Extremist groups have long turned to social media to further their causes by livestreaming attacks and posting propaganda. But hijacking individual hostages’ Facebook, Instagram and WhatsApp accounts “weaponizes social media in a way I don’t think we’ve seen before,” said Thomas Rid, a professor of strategic studies at Johns Hopkins University. “We are not psychologically prepared for this.”

    The tactic is particularly harrowing for those close to the account owners, compounding an already distressing situation.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  493. The highly popular 30-year fixed mortgage rate hit 8% on Wednesday. Interest rates soared a whopping 20 basis points this week and the 30-year fixed-rate mortgage actually hit 8% for the first time since 2000.

    I bought a house in 1997 at a slightly higher rate. Refi’d it several times later. It turned out to be a very good investment — quadrupled my money and lived in it for what turned out to be “free.”

    The real problem with today’s 8% rates is that people with 3% mortgages aren’t willing to move. This distorts the market — fewer houses for sale, with fewer buyers — and many people are frozen in, or frozen out.

    The answer, though, is not bigger deficits, despite Joe Biden’s best efforts.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  494. Let the Beatings Continue:

    Judiciary Chairman Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, intends to hold a third round vote for speaker on Thursday, a source familiar told Fox News Digital.

    “We’re going to keep going,” Jordan’s spokesman told Fox News Digital earlier when asked if there will be a third round.
    ……….
    “At some point, we’re going to have to make a rational decision as to whether or not we’re going to continue to fight over who the speaker is, or empower Patrick McHenry to allow us to go back to world,” Rep. Marc Molinaro, R-N.Y., who has voted for Jordan in the last two rounds, told reporters.

    “The world is burning. And I don’t think many people we represent want us spending days upon days deciding who sits in the chair.”
    ………

    You’ve got to know when to hold ’em
    Know when to fold ’em
    Know when to walk away
    And know when to run
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  495. They also serve who get turned down for the job.

    Trump is getting what he wants. A paralyzed Congress.

    His only stumbling block will be if his catspaws grow some principles. And with the MAGA creepazoids, the chances of that happening are slim to none.

    nk (8d17ca)

  496. Sidney Powell just pled guilty. Hopefully, her plea deal includes being a cooperating witness.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  497. Yes, it does.

    Fulton County prosecutors are recommending a sentence of six years probation. Powell will also be required to testify at future trials and write an apology letter to the citizens of Georgia.

    As part of her guilty plea, Powell is admitting her role in the January 2021 breach of election systems in rural Coffee County, Georgia. With the help of local GOP officials, a group of Trump supporters accessed and copied information from the county’s election systems in hopes of somehow proving that the election was rigged against Trump.

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/19/politics/sidney-powell-fulton-county-georgia-2020-election-subversion/index.html

    nk (8d17ca)

  498. Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 10/19/2023 @ 7:04 am

    Yes it does, but who would believe her?

    Prosecutors are recommending a sentence of six years probation. Powell will also be required to testify at future trials and write an apology letter to the citizens of Georgia.
    …………..

    Rip Murdock (817b4f)

  499. But you have to wonder about the two-tiered justice system in this country.

    Audie Murphy lied to get into the U. S. Army, and they gave him every medal they had, and a big movie contract afterward.

    Poor Mr. Former President Donald Trump exercised his First Amendment rights to challenge a rigged and stolen election, and they’re treating him like he was Italian or something.

    nk (8d17ca)

  500. Pro-Trump attorney Kenneth Chesebro’s trial is slated to begin Friday with jury selection.

    I’m sure Chesebro is glad not to be the same courtroom as Powell.

    Rip Murdock (817b4f)

  501. This may have prompted Powell’s guilty plea:

    ………..
    More than 15,000 emails and documents connected to Misty Hampton, the former election supervisor for Coffee County, were discovered this month by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation – after attorneys for the rural county’s board of elections claimed the information had been lost.

    Hampton has been charged alongside Trump and 17 other co-defendants with trying to subvert the 2020 election results in Georgia. She has been accused of facilitating the unlawful breach of Coffee County’s voting systems.
    ………..
    In text messages previously obtained by CNN, Hampton allegedly gave Trump attorneys a “written invitation” to access Georgia voting systems.
    ………….

    Rip Murdock (817b4f)

  502. I’m sure Chesebro is glad not to be the same courtroom as Powell.

    I’m sure the Georgia DA is happy not to have to give Trump et al a preview of the evidence in their case, earlier than discovery requires. The Chesebro case is a minor subset of the overall RICO case, and I bet you that Chesebro can get a similar deal, without the RICO enhancements.

    They’re really after Mr Big anyway.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  503. “They’re really after Mr Big anyway.”

    No, I think they’re after Mr Trump….Mr Small

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  504. This may have prompted Powell’s guilty plea:

    Nah! It’s a common theme. The female accomplice will fold first and get a sweetheart deal from the prosecution in exchange for her testimony against the other defendant(s). And Sidney had to get in ahead of Jenna Ellis who also has the “pretty girl” defense going for her.

    nk (ba2f29)

  505. Senator Grassley has had many accomplishments over the years. Here’s one I just now read about:

    Since Grassley, an Iowa Republican, was elected to the Senate in 1980, his D.C. and Iowa offices have become matchmaking hot spots. After his chief of staff married a former legislative correspondent on Saturday in Iowa, Grassley said 20 couples who began dating in his office have since married.

    How many divorces among that twenty? One.

    (Grassley’s wife and he have set a good example; they have been married 69 years, so far.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Grassley )

    Jim Miller (5c2a83)

  506. Jordan Knows When to Fold ‘Em (At Least for Now):

    Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) won’t pursue a third vote for speaker and he will back a plan to expand the legislative powers of Speaker Pro Tempore Patrick T. McHenry (R-N.C.), according to people familiar with the situation who spoke on the condition of anonymity to detail private discussions.
    ………
    Jordan is dropping his bid for the time being, but remains the speaker designee and will reserve the option to hold a speaker vote at any time.
    ……….

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  507. So, Jim Jordan will cut a deal with Democrats for McHenry. Just yesterday I was hearing that only RINOs would do that.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  508. So, Jim Jordan will cut a deal with Democrats for McHenry. Just yesterday I was hearing that only RINOs would do that.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/19/2023 @ 9:59 am

    Only temporarily. He’s still the Speaker designate.

    Rip Murdock (817b4f)

  509. Someone writes in the New York Times about what went wrong with postwar plans for Iaq. Ge says Donald Rumsfeld threw out his entire plan. One important error: He said it would take three years. He seems to be postulating a total victory for Israel. He says reform of Gaza is difficult but not impossible – and it is also necessary.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/16/opinion/israel-gaza-iraq-iran.html

    What we’re seeing now in Israel and Gaza gives me the same grave concern so many of us felt 20 years ago: a lot of talk about military plans and the devastation of war and not enough about what will need to come after. I have not written publicly before about the lessons the United States should have learned from what happened to postwar plans for Iraq. With the humility of hard-won experience, I would like to offer those lessons as advice to whoever assumes this role in Israel today: the official in charge of developing a plan for a post-Hamas Gaza.

    Your job will be hard, but it’s not hopeless. Reject the cynics’ advice that Israel’s job begins and ends when it defeats Hamas militarily and destroys its ability to harm Israelis again. If you fail to try to build something better in Hamas’s place or try in a halfhearted way, Israel will gain only a few years’ respite. Destruction is easy, but building is hard. That does not mean it is impossible….

    More:

    The self-defeating mind-set that took hold in the United States not long after Iraq’s occupation was that the decision to invade Iraq was an original sin — something so wrong that it could never have come out better than it did. That mentality is damaging because it cuts off any serious effort to understand what went wrong and why.

    The label of “forever wars” that has been firmly attached to America’s wars in Iraq and Afghanistan fails to acknowledge that poor planning and scant resources will always fail to secure postwar peace. It astounds me that anyone could be surprised by this. But the lessons of postwar Germany and Japan that led to their prosperous democracies today, including well-resourced physical and political reconstruction and the time to succeed, were utterly misunderstood and misapplied by Washington in 2003 and 2004. Israel has faced its own forever war since 1948. Poor planning and scant resources are also your enemy.,,

    … One reason the State Department’s best postwar plan for Iraq, which has still never been made public, was rejected by the White House was that Pentagon officials argued that a three-year timeline was too long. Decision makers opted for the siren song of one year or less and vastly inadequate physical or political reconstruction money, without regard for the reality that fast and cheap was doomed to fail. Instead, the United States expended more in blood and treasure from 2003 to 2011 and ended up strategically worse off than if a better postwar plan had been given the resources and time needed upfront. A repeat of Israel’s 15-year occupation of southern Lebanon is neither realistic nor desirable, but neither is the more recent pattern of quick ground incursions followed by withdrawals, or what’s called mowing the grass.,,,

    ,,,,Finally, remember that military victory is an asset whose power decreases over time. If and when Israel succeeds in defeating Hamas, use that limited time wisely. What you decide to prioritize may be all you get done, so it has to lay the groundwork for constructive steps, not chaos, to follow. Recovery from disastrous decisions at the outset — like the U.S. decisions to disband the Iraqi Army and to fire tens of thousands more Baath Party members than necessary from their government jobs, thus largely creating the Sunni insurgency — is almost impossible.

    I don’t think firing too many Baath Party members really did anything. I think the key mistake was not understanding that Iran and Syria and Saudi Arabia also, would try to undermine the transition to democracy and decent government,

    This was not the case in 1991 where it worked in the Kurdish area and would have worked in all of Iraq probably

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  510. The Democrats are as much to blame for this situation as the Republicans,

    Sammy Finkelman (0eae9e)

  511. In the sense that they are putting partisanship and personal ambition ahead of the interests of the country, absolutely, Sammy.

    But it was not the Squad that brought the motion to vacate. Partisan they may be, but they maintain party discipline.

    nk (aaf24f)

  512. The Democrats are as much to blame for this situation as the Republicans,

    Sammy Finkelman (0eae9e) — 10/19/2023 @ 5:05 pm

    Oh please. What is the opposition party supposed to do?Save the Republicans from their stupidity?

    Rip Murdock (817b4f)


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