Weekend Open Thread
[guest post by Dana]
Let’s go!
First news item
Elon Musk confirmed the story:
Elon Musk on Thursday acknowledged turning off internet access from his Starlink satellites during a Ukrainian raid last year on a Russian naval fleet, saying he did so to prevent SpaceX from being “complicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation.”
Musk responded on his social media platform X to new details from an upcoming book that indicated he ordered his engineers to shut off communications network before the attack off the Crimean coast.
“There was an emergency request from government authorities to activate Starlink all the way to Sevastopol,” Musk wrote on X, the platform previously known as Twitter.
“The obvious intent being to sink most of the Russian fleet at anchor. If I had agreed to their request, then SpaceX would be explicitly complicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation,” Musk wrote.
An excerpt about the raid from American author and journalist Walter Isaacson’s upcoming biography on Musk, titled “Elon Musk,” was published by CNN.
What if the strike had ended the war, or what if the strikes had prevented missiles being launched at Ukrainian cites. There are children who might be alive.
A reminder why Ukraine continues to fight, among other things:
1. Often people are not allowed to leave their villages. Supplies (incl. food supplies) are often cut
2. Russia doesn’t bring Russian law, but brings lawlessness. People lose their rights – even those who sympathize with Russia. Your house can be taken by someone else; your car can be confiscated; you can be abducted, nobody would investigate.
3. Lots of people who are missing. We don’t know whether they are alive or not. Family members of these people are often forced to keep silent, violence will be applied to them as well.
4. If you live for months without food supplies (shops are closed, you cannot leave your village), you can only rely on your land, domestic animals and what you have in your personal food savings. Ukrainian peasants usually have a lot – at least they can survive
5. Some patterns – like not letting people leave their villages for months – remind of Holodomor, the Stalin’s artificial famine in 1932-1933. Clearly these practices “live” in the minds and practices of the Russian soldiers and commanders
6. Tortures are applied widely. Esp. tortures with electric current. The Russian torturers call it “a call to putin”. So they themselves acknowledge that the acts of cruelty should bear putin’s name
Second news item
Audition time! Gov. Kristi Noem will be sharing a stage with Trump and is expected to endorse him as well:
It’s billed as a fundraiser for the South Dakota GOP, but a Friday rally with former President Donald Trump and the deep red state’s conservative two-term Gov. Kristi Noem could signal much more.
Trump, the commanding front-runner for the Republican presidential nomination, is headlining the sold-out political gathering in Rapid City, South Dakota.
No comment from Marge or Kari on this latest development…
Third news item
Two-thirds of Democrat-leaning voters say the party should not nominate President Biden for a second term, according to a new CNN poll released Thursday…Unfavorable opinions of Biden are rising among his own party, as its voters hesitate about the 80-year-old’s age and ability to handle another term in office.
Zoom in: When Democrats and Democratic-leaning independent voters were asked who the party should nominate as its 2024 presidential candidate, only 33% chose Biden, according to the poll conducted by SSRS.
67% said they wanted a different candidate as the party’s nominee. Yes, but: When those respondents were asked who the party’s 2024 nominee should be, no other person polled above 3%.
The overwhelming majority of Democrat-leaning voters who said they were against a 2nd term for Biden — 82% — said they want “just someone besides Joe Biden.”
The biggest concern is President Biden’s age and how it might impact his mental competency.
Fourth news item
What an awful price to pay for doing one’s civic duty:
Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis asked a judge…to take steps to protect jurors who indicted former President Trump and over a dozen of his allies for their alleged attempts to flip Georgia’s election results in 2020.
…Willis said at least 23 jurors in the case have had their personal information — including their names, ages, addresses and vehicle details —posted anonymously on “conspiracy theory websites” hosted by a Russian company as part of an effort to “harass and intimidate them.”
Willis asked the court to protect jurors by restricting their appearance throughout the case and access to their identities…the state fears that Trump and his allies’ right to a fair trial will be violated if their identities became widely known to the public, though she acknowledged that the case has received international attention and that the upcoming trial will likely be “highly-publicized.”
Fifth news item
Today’s NYC: We’re a sanctuary city…at least until migrants land on our doorstep:
As asylum seekers and their families continue to arrive at the Roosevelt Hotel in Manhattan, recent comments from New York City Mayor Eric Adams are drawing reactions.
During a community meeting on the Upper West Side this week, Mayor Adams said that the ongoing migrant crisis “will destroy NYC.”
“Never in my life have I had a problem that I didn’t see an ending to, I don’t see an ending to this,” Adams said. “This issue will destroy New York City.”
Sixth news item
U.S. Vice President Kamala Harris dismissed questions about President Joe Biden’s age on Friday, telling a television interviewer she is prepared to be commander in chief, but that it won’t be necessary.
“Joe Biden is going to be just fine,” Harris said, when asked about concerns that Biden is too old to run again.
Seventh news item
Well, why weren’t they charged?:
A Georgia grand jury recommended criminal charges against three Republican U.S. senators and other allies of Donald Trump as part of its investigation into efforts to overturn Trump’s 2020 presidential defeat, according to a report released on Friday.
None were ultimately charged when Georgia prosecutors filed a sweeping criminal case against Trump and 18 alleged co-conspirators.
The special grand jury recommended charging Georgia’s two senators at the time, Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue, as well as Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, the report showed.
Eighth news item
Landing in unfamiliar territory:
Flamingos have been spotted as far north in the US as Ohio and Pennsylvania in recent days, after they were blown off course by the powerful Hurricane Idalia that hit Florida late last month, experts say.
The distinctive birds have been reported in Florida, Georgia, North and South Carolina, also in Texas and further north from their typical habitats, in Kentucky and even Ohio…They were also seen in Franklin county in southern Pennsylvania on Thursday, NPR reported.
Interesting tidbit:
American flamingos are typically found in the Caribbean or the northern coast of south America, according to the Smithsonian National Zoo. Native to Florida, they were nearly hunted out of existence in the late 19th century because their feathers were prized for women’s hats, NPR reported in 2018.
Have a great weekend.
–Dana
Good morning!
Dana (4020dd) — 9/8/2023 @ 8:58 amThat is quite a chunk out of his 81,283,501 fanbase.
66,652,470.82 want someone else? Talk about buyers’ remorse. You would think the streets would be full of those disgruntled voters. Shouldn’t be to difficult to get 100 people in front of some administration building somewhere with a couple of signs and maybe a bullhorn.
Where are they? Maybe twitter..
BuDuh (4214e4) — 9/8/2023 @ 9:16 amI think that this kind of mess will happen until NONE OF THE ABOVE is on the ballot.
Heck, we might find out that some politicians aren’t even necessary.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 9/8/2023 @ 9:38 amWhat would happen in the real world if Microsoft and Apple had been producing terrible OS’s for the last decade? The only thing that is keeping these two parties afloat is the fallacy of sunk costs.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/8/2023 @ 10:22 amWell, why weren’t they charged?
As a guess, it was because they did not have the evidence they needed for trial.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/8/2023 @ 10:23 amThe really amazing thing about all these “NYC stressed by unconscionable transportation of defenseless migrants from red states” stories is that those transported are a tiny fraction of the influx that those border red states were expected to deal with on their own.
This is a classic case of “making my problem their problem” in order to get some response from the powers that be.
I note that Governor Newsom is sending National Guard troops to the border.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/8/2023 @ 10:27 amHeck, we might find out that some politicians aren’t even necessary.
If we could only vote directly for bureaucrats, or at least on their budgets.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/8/2023 @ 10:28 amAs for NYC, the city was built by the influx of Italians, Irish and Jews that came over in the 19th and early 20th century — well before there were limits on numbers of immigrants. The factors that limited immigration were the difficulty of travel and the lack of assistance for those immigrating.
Now we have (ineffectual) limits on immigration, much cheaper travel and ever-increasing “assistance” from municipal co-dependants.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/8/2023 @ 10:35 amBiden’s solution seems to be a modification of the asylum release program, requiring those released to remain in their state of entry. This will be called “compassionate” by people in far-distant sanctuary cities.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/8/2023 @ 10:39 am#5 Indicting Loeffler and Perdue would have been silly. They made some “stolen election” noises so that they could secure Trump’s endorsement, but did not get roped into the whole phony elector scheme. It would have been like indicting Gov. Kemp, who also was skeptical about the Georgia results early on.
It’s fortunate that this document was kept under wraps — it would have made the grand jury look silly and made it more difficult to persue any charges against Trump and his comrades.
Appalled (03f53c) — 9/8/2023 @ 10:50 amThird news Item:
Apparently it won’t be Gavin Newsom:
As I’ve said before (without any supporting evidence), the only way Newsom becomes the Democratic nominee is if for some reason (health, impeachment, death) Biden drops out after the primaries but before the convention. And if delegates become deeply divided over Kamala Harris’s ability, they will turn to Newsom and draft him as a compromise candidate.
Rip Murdock (5f14f9) — 9/8/2023 @ 11:28 amRip Murdock (5f14f9) — 9/8/2023 @ 11:28 am
But they are unlikely to be divided, because they were mostly picked from the same pool; and to say that Kamala Harris is incompetent would require lots of proof, and come under suspicion of racism.
Who would be the other candidate? Elizabeth Warren?
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 9/8/2023 @ 11:47 amSpecifically, nuclear war. A Russian official told him that. (or hinted at that)
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/08/world/europe/elon-musk-starlink-ukraine.html
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 9/8/2023 @ 11:55 amLook at her polling-it’s abysmal. That’s all the proof you need.
LOL! She’s nearly as old as Trump (74 v. 76). If the Democrats wanted a real contrast with Trump (and Biden), they should nominate someone much younger and dynamic. Not gonna happen.
Rip Murdock (5f14f9) — 9/8/2023 @ 12:01 pmWe know what side Elon Musk is on, and it’s not Ukraine.
Rip Murdock (5f14f9) — 9/8/2023 @ 12:02 pmThe “other candidate” would be Harris.
Rip Murdock (5f14f9) — 9/8/2023 @ 12:04 pmThe Russians have been threatening nuclear war since the beginning of the conflict. It’s an empty threat.
Rip Murdock (5f14f9) — 9/8/2023 @ 12:06 pmWhat came close to destroying New York City was the fiscal crisis in the 1970s. They all focused on the budget and not the spending that needed to be done. Police and other things were cut. Crime rose, until the HIV virus came along to save the city by infecting heroin addicts in the late 1980s and addicts became sick and disabled and the forces of law and order were able to catch up, starting the opposite of a vicious cycle. (once they caught up, the virtuous cycle continued even without HIV deaths) That is the truth. It wasn’t abortion, like the people from Freakonomics said.
https://freakonomics.com/podcast/abortion-and-crime-revisited
The proof that it was AIDS and not abortion is that NYC had the highest AIDS rate in the country and also the largest drop in crime.
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 9/8/2023 @ 12:06 pmFor the Democrats (if Biden is “unavailable”), the choice would be between Harris becoming the nominee and losing (in a landslide) or dropping her and drafting a candidate who hasn’t gone through the primary process and possibly winning.
Not hard to guess what they would do.
Rip Murdock (5f14f9) — 9/8/2023 @ 12:13 pmHow could they tell?
Rip Murdock (5f14f9) — 9/8/2023 @ 12:14 pm@17
I sympathize with Musk here.
Remember, this was very early in the war and everyone, and I mean EVERYONE thought at the time that Russia would simply LOLSTOMP Ukraine and the war would be over in days.
Musk was thinking of his company and the likely post-war world at the time.
But to say he’s on #TeamRussia is absurd. Especially, shortly afterward (and after legit criticism), Musk relented allowing Ukraine military to use SpaceX.
whembly (5f7596) — 9/8/2023 @ 12:21 pmWhat’s going on is nothing except incompetence.
An addition to the population, spread out over the course of a year, of less than 1% consisting of homeless people (some 40% have some place in NYC to go to – the people we’re talking about are people without previous connection to NYC) will destroy the city??
He’s in over his head. He can’t see a patronage contract that got too big. The same company previously made money off of Covid.
Meanwhile, everybody’s lying. The Republicans are linking this to the sanctuary city policy, which it has nothing to with, (the problem is mostly caused by the positive right to shelter, a result of a lawsuit settlement back in 1981) and they are opposing any other attempt to deal with this,
And wanting to blame Biden for letting them in – and to say that Republicans are right on immigration – so that all Biden supposedly has to do is stop. They never suggest anything else except a wall.
One partial solution is allowing people to work but Republicans oppose that on the grounds that then even more people will cross the border.
(They were let in, but not allowed to work legally for a minimum of six months.)
Biden wants to make asylum more resemble immigration law, with sponsors required, but that is absurd for any real cases of asylum.
The Biden Administration gives advice to New York City, some of which may be good, but refuses to ask Congress for money except for a useless and in any case long term border wall or to put people up at a military base as happened with other refugee surges including Afghanistan in 2021 because then he would be welcoming them like the Republicans accuse him of.
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 9/8/2023 @ 12:31 pm16. The “other candidate” can’t be Harris, because in this scenario, Newsom is a compromise candidate.
There must be two others, only one of which is Harris. Is the other one Biden?
If there was only Harris, Newsom would be the “alternative candidate.”
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 9/8/2023 @ 12:35 pm@22 Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 9/8/2023 @ 12:31 pm
I think the ONLY way to handle this, is for the states to enforce employers to ensure that their employers are citizens/legal resident.
The jobs for illegals will dry up and they’re self deport.
whembly (5f7596) — 9/8/2023 @ 12:35 pmOne of the mysteries of the original Fulton County GJ report — addressed:
https://www.ajc.com/politics/fulton-grand-jury-report-hints-at-why-it-suggested-charges-against-loeffler-perdue/5F7LXD7IUVFXXOASNQJHUEXBV4/
Gotta say, the Fani Willis letter (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23941366-jim-jordan-letter) to Jim Jordan was more entertaining. I’d actually love an opinion from our prosecutor host on the propriety and risks of sending a letter like that out.
Appalled (03f53c) — 9/8/2023 @ 12:42 pmI wonder if Newsom’s people aren’t whispering in his ear that this could potentially be a very difficult year for Democrats, and that his best bet is to sit out 2024, leave office on January 1, 2027, then spend an entire year gearing up to challenge a GOP incumbent (or if it is Trump, an open office) or to replace a feeble figurehead like Biden who has been nursemaided his entire second term. Of course a Biden reelection followed by his resignation and the ascendency of Kamala Harris would be his worst case scenario, but he’ll still only be 65 years old on Election Day 2032, which is only a few months older than George H. W. Bush was when he was elected, so as long as Newsom can find a way to remain in the public eye (and admittedly, that will be a challenge) then he could still be bothering us as a candidate ten years from now.
JVW (1ad43e) — 9/8/2023 @ 12:52 pmHere is news about the contract:
https://comptroller.nyc.gov/newsroom/nyc-comptroller-lander-declines-to-approve-432-million-docgo-contract-for-work-on-asylum-seeker-emergency
Further link:
https://comptroller.nyc.gov/reports/letter-on-return-of-rapid-reliable-testing-ny-llc-contract-20248801671
Rapid Reliable Testing NY LLC is the name of the company, but it is, commonly known as DocGo Inc. They made money on Covid tests. Now they went in for asylum care on the grounds there’s something medical involved also.
Mayor Adams can’t see waste fraud and abuse when it’s staring him in the face – and the Republicans would rather say “I told you so” even though they didn’t tell anyone so, on immigration than complain about wasteful spending.
Brad Lander is a “progressive” by the way. The refusal to approve is a meaningless gesture, also, but it is interesting that he came out against waste.
There are ideas that have been suggested that would probably require changes in law. For instance, NYCHA is having trouble getting enough public housing residents to pay rent. It has been suggested pay elderly people with extra space because their children moved out, $65 a month to take migrants in, and in return or in addition, they could do shopping and some caregiving, which would be uncompensated. Better than $256 a month in a hotel. Obviously, if real, people would need to be approved and mistakes reversed. But there could be similarity of background in some cases. Of course many public housing projects are dangerous. But that’s just one idea that’s going nowhere.
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 9/8/2023 @ 12:55 pmhttps://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/01/nyregion/the-covid-test-company-that-got-into-the-migrant-business.html
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 9/8/2023 @ 1:00 pmIn my scenario Biden is not “available”, he is out of picture.
Newsom would be the compromise candidate between the factions that back Harris, and those that want to win.
I think JVW is correct as to why Newsom won’t challenge Biden directly , but I believe he would gladly be drafted to run against Trump or DeSantis.
Rip Murdock (5f14f9) — 9/8/2023 @ 1:09 pmSeveral things about Musk. First, he obviously bought into this bullsh-t “escalation” narrative, particularly this part, noted here…
…where failed to understand the actual dynamics of this war of aggression by Putin. And regarding “act of war”, Jonah provided some clarity…
But maybe that sort of thing happens when Musk is following pro-Putin hacks like catturd and Ian Miles Cheong. /1
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/8/2023 @ 1:16 pmwhembly (5f7596) — 9/8/2023 @ 12:35 pm
Aside from all other considerations, the only way to do this is to punish some companies so severely that they go out of business. (This is also liable to be violated by companies that will go out of business if they don’t employ people without work authorization.)
There’s been a problem with Uber Eats. Uber Eats has paid for people to deliver things, using their own vehicles.
https://help.uber.com/driving-and-delivering/article/signing-up-to-deliver-on-uber-eats-with-a-bike-or-on-foot
The state ID problem has been worked out somehow. Necessity is the mother of invention.
But
Problem: These new migrants cannot legally register their bicycles or what it is, motorscooters.
So anyway they were all parking them in the same place and somebody complained. and the NYD set up an operation to confiscate the bikes and some migrants fought the police.
https://www.nydailynews.com/2023/09/07/migrants-nypd-scooters-brooklyn-brawl
It is interesting to reflect on the kind of crimes these migrants were committing It wasn’t drug dealing. It was economic crimes, like in the old Soviet Union.
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 9/8/2023 @ 1:17 pmWell, there’s a rose in a fisted glove
nk (bf12b8) — 9/8/2023 @ 1:24 pmAnd the eagle flies with the dove
And if you can’t be with the one you love, honey
Love the one not Trump
Love the one not Trump
If there’s another place to have equally good jobs, maybe.
It’s happening in Florida.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/07/us/florida-immigration-hurricane-cleanup.html
Michael Burnett was a homeowner.
Many illegal immigrants are self deporting to places like Louisiana.
What, you imagined Mexico?? Or their home countries if they could get there?
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 9/8/2023 @ 1:25 pm“Constitutional Attorneys” and “Trump Campaign” Shouldn’t Be In Same Sentence:
Rip Murdock (5f14f9) — 9/8/2023 @ 1:29 pmThe prohibition to hire was included in the 1986 immigration bill, Simpson Mazzoli. The rationale was the idea that immigration laws were passed for the purposes of preventing unemployment. One person actively pushing the legislation was none other than Chuck Schumer, then a member of the House Judiciary Committee.
Another achievement of Schumer was the Schumer box on credit cards, which is OK. It tells you approximately (it varies depending n the exact date of payment) how much you would have to pay per monthly statement period to pay off a debt completely in 3 years, assuming that no other charges were made and interest rates didn’t change.
But he also was responsible for legislation that prevented many college students under age 21 from getting credit cards, but did nothing at stopping them from getting bankruptcy proof student loans (which can come with a cash kickback)
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 9/8/2023 @ 1:33 pmApparently it won’t be Gavin Newsom
For now. The loyal supporter. But if Biden stumbles, or has trouble with RF Jr, he will enter the race, more in sorrow than opposition.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/8/2023 @ 1:39 pmRip Murdock (5f14f9) — 9/8/2023 @ 1:09 pm
That means there are some for is Harris, and there are some for an unknown Democrat, because they want to win, (Andrew Cuomo??) but whom the Harris backers won’t accept, and Newsom is the compromise candidate
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 9/8/2023 @ 1:40 pmThe Russians have been threatening nuclear war since the beginning of the conflict. It’s an empty threat.
Nuclear war ends with the utter, total destruction of Russia. Thermonuclear weapons are to Hiroshima as fuel-air bombs are to hand grenades. Almost three orders of magnitude. And we have several thousand.
I’m not saying we wouldn’t get our hair mussed, but every cockroach in Russia would be dead.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/8/2023 @ 1:44 pmI think the ONLY way to handle this, is for everyone to…
First among things that never happen.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/8/2023 @ 1:47 pmAt the moment, Kenneth Cheesbro and Sidney Powell are scheduled to be tried together (not separately as Cheesbro and Sidney Powell want) and Donald Trump and the rest of the gang with them, except the judge said that’s not likely to happen, but he’ll leave it that way for now.
Cheesbro’s motion came up first.
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4190152-judge-denies-kenneth-chesebros-request-to-sever-georgia-charges-from-sidney-powell
They say they don’t know each other, the chares are in separate buckets and the commonality is only that they both tried to elect Donald Trump president (well, tried to do that, using legal manuvers, after the election should have been over)
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 9/8/2023 @ 1:51 pmThe counter argument was that it’s RICO and even if two parties did not themselves act in concert, they both acted as part of the larger conspiracy.
It seems like this first trial will be a dress rehearsal, with much of the same evidence and testimony that will be required for the band tried with Trump. While I agree that 19 defendants, all with their own lawyers, is too complex to manage, I don’t see that 17 is going to be much better.
The DA obviously wants the group trial — no previews allowed to the defense, and easier all around for her.
The other possibility is to have multiple simultaneous trials, but that can lead to divergent results depending on how many Trumpbots lie their way onto juries.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/8/2023 @ 1:59 pmSecond, the drone attack that Musk sabotaged was big, targeting “the Russian Navy at anchor at its Sevastopol naval port.”
A successful strike could have changed the course of the war in Ukraine’s favor, with fewer missile strikes from the Black Sea (thus fewer terrorist attacks and civilian casualties) and perhaps opening a shipping channel for grain exports.
Third, Musk and Biden have something in common: Both were so intimidated by Putin’s threats that they throttled back, which is a tactic that has worked for Putin.
Four, Musk’s appeal for a “truce” is ridiculous, because it gives Putin the time to re-arm, re-supply and scrounge up more Russians for battle. Again, he doesn’t understand the dynamics (or worse, maybe he does understand them).
Five, Musk’s views on Crimea as being “Russian” are ahistorical and wrong. The new defense minister, Umierov, is an example. His parents were were a couple out of 100,000± whoo were forcibly removed from the peninsula in the Soviet era, which is why Umierov ended up being born in Bumf-ck, Uzbekistan.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/8/2023 @ 2:21 pmSidney Powell’s lawyer arguing for severance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0n_Wkt021w
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 9/8/2023 @ 2:33 pmCheseboro has plenty of reason to want severance from Powell, as she was in this mess to her neck and he doesn’t want to be hanged by accident.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/8/2023 @ 2:48 pmMeadows is stuck in Fulton County, as I expected.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/8/2023 @ 3:03 pmI doubt venue changes will work for the other defendants, Trump included.
Correct, but unless the Democrats revive Mario Cuomo from the dead, it ain’t gonna be a Cuomo.
Rip Murdock (1b91a0) — 9/8/2023 @ 3:35 pmThis was really a change of jurisdiction, not venue. In either case the trial will be held in Atlanta.
Rip Murdock (1b91a0) — 9/8/2023 @ 3:38 pmIf the former White House chief of staff can’t get his case transferred to federal court, what chance do the fake electors and indicted lawyers have? The answer is none.
From the decision, quoted here:
<blockquote”Meadows’s participation on the January 2, 2021 call was political in nature and involved the President’s private litigation, neither of which are related to the scope of the Office of White House Chief of Staff,” Jones wrote. “The Court finds that these contributions to the phone call with Secretary Raffensperger went beyond those activities that are within the official role of White House Chief of Staff, such as scheduling the President’s phone calls, observing meetings, and attempting to wrap up meetings in order to keep the President on schedule.”
………..
“What the Court must decide for purposes of federal officer removal is whether the actions Meadows took as a participant in the alleged enterprise (the charged conduct) were related to his federal role as White House Chief of Staff,” Jones wrote. “The actions at the heart of the State’s charges against Meadows were taken on behalf of the Trump campaign with an ultimate goal of affecting state election activities and procedures.”
I’m sure it will be appealed.
Rip Murdock (1b91a0) — 9/8/2023 @ 3:51 pmSorry for the failed blockquote.
Rip Murdock (1b91a0) — 9/8/2023 @ 3:52 pmMore on the case against the fake Georgia electors:
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Rip Murdock (1b91a0) — 9/8/2023 @ 4:11 pmElon Musk is a weak reed, a straw that the Ukrainians grasped at the beginning of the war, when they had no strong cane to lean on, and practiced at disguising duplicity as whimsy. Like his cars, he can only be relied on for things you can easily do without. Not for anything vital.
nk (f9da9d) — 9/8/2023 @ 4:13 pmThe main advantage to removing to federal court is a larger , multi-county, jury pool. The case would still have been tried under Georgia law.
Rip Murdock (1b91a0) — 9/8/2023 @ 4:22 pmMore importantly, it wouldn’t be televised.
Must see TV!
Rip Murdock (1b91a0) — 9/8/2023 @ 4:24 pmYes. Wrong word, right conclusion.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/8/2023 @ 4:25 pmThe Ukraine Support Tracker has been updated and, finally, commitments from the EU and UK have caught up and exceeded US support.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/8/2023 @ 5:20 pmThe main advantage to removing to federal court is a larger , multi-county, jury pool. The case would still have been tried under Georgia law.
No. The case would have been dismissed under federal law pursuant to the Supremacy Clause and federal immunity statutes which protect federal employees acting within the scope of their duties from being tried under state law in state courts for crimes or torts.
nk (f9da9d) — 9/8/2023 @ 6:43 pmNo. The case would have been dismissed under federal law pursuant to the Supremacy Clause and federal immunity statutes which protect federal employees acting within the scope of their duties from being tried under state law in state courts for crimes or torts.
Pretty much how the Ruby Ridge sniper avoided Idaho law.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/8/2023 @ 7:24 pm“He’s a race-baiting, xenophobic, religious bigot …He doesn’t represent my party…He’s unfit for office.”
–Lindsey Graham, 2016
“One thing I want people to know, I am standing with President Trump. I am proudly supporting him.”
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/8/2023 @ 8:39 pm–Soulless Political Shell Also Named Lindsey Graham, today
https://hotair.com/tree-hugging-sister/2023/09/08/ca-assembly-passes-ab-957-the-affirm-your-childs-gender-choices-or-else-law-n576691
The State of California says your kids belong to them. And if your kid decides he’s a unicorn and you tell him he’s a boy, the state will take him away from you.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 9/8/2023 @ 8:42 pmNo more putting away those Progress Pride flags or, if you’re really hep to the jive, the Intersex Progress Pride flag come July 1, my fellow Californians. Nope, now we will have the month of August designated as Transgender History month, thanks to California House Resolution 57, co-sponsored by 65 Assembly members. This ended up being 62 Assembly Democrats along with three Republicans, Juan Alanis of Modesto, Marie Waldron of Valley Center (North San Diego County), and Greg Wallis of Burma Dunes (near Indio and La Quinta). Democrats Sabrina Cervantes of Riverside and Tim Grayson of Concord did not join in as co-sponsors.
We can’t solve the water storage problem in this state, we can’t solve the homeless problem, we can’t solve the income inequality problems, we can’t solve the housing shortage, we can’t prevent wildfires, we can’t have consistent revenue from year to year, we can’t create quality public schools, we can’t keep crime from making our cities uninhabitable, we can’t keep middle-class families from leaving for more functional states. But we can sure virtue-signal on picayune matters like no other state can virtue-signal.
JVW (1ad43e) — 9/8/2023 @ 9:45 pmSo does this mean that the Ts are kicked out of LGBTQIAS+ Pride Month in June then? Why of course not. It’s just that after a quick respite in July, we have August to celebrate the accomplishments of transgender folks throughout California’s illustrious history. Did you know that when the Spanish soldiers under Juan Cabrillo first came to present-day San Diego that one solder wrote in his journal of male natives who dressed in fancy clothes and acted like women? Thus it is quite clear from this one piece of data that transgenderism was alive in pre-Conquistador California. If you don’t believe me, just ask that college history professor with the “Hate Has No Home Here” sticker and the poster featuring the full (at least for now) collection of Pride flags posted outside on his office door.
JVW (1ad43e) — 9/8/2023 @ 9:53 pmIf Newsom signs that bill, he can kiss off ever being president.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/8/2023 @ 10:35 pmNew Mexico’s governor spits on the Constitution and decides she can declare a state of emergency to overrule it. Just as conservatives predicted would be done due to the illegally permitted restrictions from the virus of unknown origin.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 9/9/2023 @ 6:15 amGood news. The Ukrainians are getting longer-range missiles after months of delay.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/9/2023 @ 7:42 amHEre’s the details on Lujan Grisham’s suspension of gun rights in New Mexico.
Breaking: New Mexico Governor Suspends the Second Amendment
See used several cases involving illegal carry by minors to justify her order.
Why has the crime rate skyrocketed?
In short, the governor is using NM’s gun laws as an excuse to cover her party’s gutting of the criminal justice system, even though the effects are remarkably similar to California’s rising crime rates despite CA’s draconian gum laws.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/9/2023 @ 8:14 amIn New Mexico, the law only requires licenses for concealed carry; there are no gun registration laws nor restrictions on open carry. This has been repeatedly reaffirmed by the (Democrat gerrymandered) legislature refusing the governor’s frequent entreaties to pass new restrictions.
So, she issued this decree, using the same “health emergency” powers that she abused during the Covid period. I guess that envelope is stretched now.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/9/2023 @ 8:19 amMore:
NM gov. plans to ban firearms in public spaces in Bernalillo County (ABQ Journal)
Twenty-five of NM’s 33 counties have declared themselves “2nd Amendment Sanctuaries.” I guess you can now add Bernalillo County (the state’s largest) to that group.
The governor is assigning state police to enforce her order, which carries only civil penalties since it’s not actually a law.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/9/2023 @ 8:34 amPaul and Rip have already noted the Meadows decision. My IANL take is that the judge took a common sense view of the situation. Georgia election laws are ordinarily not the concern of the Federal Government (read your Constitution). Therefore, when Meadows took actions which reflected concerns with these laws, he was not acting within the scope of his duties as a Federal officer. I think this logic would not hold up if, for example, there were violations of national voting rights laws.
Appalled (fb31a9) — 9/9/2023 @ 8:49 amKevin and Rob, did you actually read AB957?
I read Rob’s piece and was annoyed that the article was just quoting a bunch of people reacting to the bill. So I looked it up and read it. It doesn’t say what you say it does.
Nate (7759cd) — 9/9/2023 @ 9:01 amWhat does it say, Nate?
BuDuh (4214e4) — 9/9/2023 @ 9:07 amDeSantis and Ramaswamy Have Chosen Sides
Rip Murdock (1b91a0) — 9/9/2023 @ 9:15 amSee also here and here for additional information on BLM protest prosecutions.
Rip Murdock (1b91a0) — 9/9/2023 @ 9:17 amCaliforniaState Assembly AB 957.
Rip Murdock (1b91a0) — 9/9/2023 @ 9:24 amKevin and Rob, did you actually read AB957?
Yes. Here.
The added portions of the two sections it amends are basically this:
Section B is added. Thew same paragraph is also added in another section for the same purpose.
If you read the Assembly Floor Analysis (PDF) the entire argument is about this paragraph.
So, Nate, how is this different from NJRob’s characterization? The other sections (e.g. drug abuse) were already there.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/9/2023 @ 9:24 amThe opposition’s argument:
Argument in support:
Arguments in Support
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/9/2023 @ 9:26 amCome Nate,
answer the question you posed. Did you actually read the bill?
NJRob (dd6810) — 9/9/2023 @ 9:42 amMore about Lujan Grisham’s suspension of constitutional rights (AP), during a new “health emergency”:
Sounds like he’s worried that officers might not have qualified immunity in this instance.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/9/2023 @ 10:32 amI wonder if some GOP governor, perhaps in Kansas, could suspend abortions due to a “health emergency” involving SIDs deaths. Sure, it’s unrelated, but so is the NM governor suspension of carry licenses and lawful open carry due to teen gun violence.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/9/2023 @ 10:55 amSince abortion is not a federal right, and firearm possession is, the two aren’t comparable.
Rip Murdock (1b91a0) — 9/9/2023 @ 11:24 amI would also think that most Republican dominated states heavily restrict, if not ban, abortions, so what would be the point?
Rip Murdock (1b91a0) — 9/9/2023 @ 11:32 amSee also here.
Rip Murdock (1b91a0) — 9/9/2023 @ 11:34 amConstitutional Ignorance:
The current legal framework:
A Supreme Court decision that is 125 years old and that has stood the test of time is hardly contested. Ramaswamy, DeSantis, and Trump are grandstanding.
Rip Murdock (1b91a0) — 9/9/2023 @ 12:24 pmJonah on Grisham…
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/9/2023 @ 12:44 pmIf every governor or president “lost their job” over policies that were later ruled unconstitutional, there would be repeated turnover in those offices.
Rip Murdock (1b91a0) — 9/9/2023 @ 1:32 pmHow to protect innocent assault gun owners and punish the guilty. This wont interfere with 2nd amendment. Every time there is a mass shooting simply arrest politicians who voted against gun safety measures. Charge them with accessory to murder and enabling killing. The problem will be quickly solved.
asset (8b2d6c) — 9/9/2023 @ 1:49 pmSince abortion is not a federal right, and firearm possession is, the two aren’t comparable.
It IS a right in Kansas.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/9/2023 @ 2:33 pmRamaswamy isn’t the only GOP presidential hopeful with his own take on the 14th Amendment
I can see citizenship tourism being curtailed, under the theory that neither the parents or child intends to be subject to US law or any of the duties of a citizen, similar to the carve-out for children of diplomats. This is indeed debated.
But the 14th Amendment was particularly written to defeat arguments about children of non-citizens (e.g. the enslaved). Children born here to immigrant parents are citizens. Since there was no such thing as “illegal immigrants” in 1865, the people who wrote that had no such intention.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/9/2023 @ 2:42 pmWhat Lujan Grisham is doing, in order to fight drug-fueled gang crime, is disarming the potential victims.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/9/2023 @ 2:44 pmActually, it does. The governor’s order is even more arbitrary than licensing requirements. The Supreme Court has ruled that the public has a right to carry firearms outside the home. The Governor’s order seems to violate that right. See New York State Rifle and Pistol Association v. Bruen.
Source
Rip Murdock (1b91a0) — 9/9/2023 @ 2:44 pm@84:
September 3rd.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/9/2023 @ 2:45 pmThe NM governor has repeatedly tied to dial back gun rights since she became governor in 2018, but her own party has a substantial 2nd Amendment wing — they want to stay in office and being against guns is a loser outside the (few) big cities.
So, she is issuing a decree using “her” emergency powers outside an emergency, since democratic methods don’t give the results she wants. Effing dictator.
I expect it will be a race between state and federal courts to enjoin.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/9/2023 @ 2:52 pmSo what? I don’t have a problem with the governor of Kansas suspending abortions for any reason if he has that authority, it is an internal issue for Kansans. What your governor has done is attack the federal constitutional right of New Mexicans to defend themselves, which should concern everyone.
I’m sure it will be challenged in court and she will lose.
Rip Murdock (28ff55) — 9/9/2023 @ 2:52 pmSo, asset, would banning speech attacking capitalism interfere with the 1st Amendment? After all, there are lots of other things you can talk about.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/9/2023 @ 2:54 pmIf every governor or president “lost their job” over policies that were later ruled unconstitutional, there would be repeated turnover in those offices.
It is said that the Obama Administration lost more unanimous Supreme Court decisions than any other Administration in history. He would theoretically be eligible for capital punishment under this sort of tradition.
JVW (1ad43e) — 9/9/2023 @ 2:58 pmWhat your governor has done is attack the federal constitutional right of New Mexicans to defend themselves, which should concern everyone.
She has also suspended other rights guaranteed by the state constitution and state law. Up until yesterday, I could have an unregistered gun in my car’s glove box, or walk down the street with a loaded (and also unregistered) shotgun. With a permit I could carry concealed. I’m not aware of any part of the state law that allows the governor to suspend such permits.
I note she also closed all the gun stores as “non-essential” during the lockdown, but pot stores were left open.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/9/2023 @ 2:59 pmContested by whom? While not illegal per se, “birth tourists” can be denied visas by consular officials, and there have been prosecutions of those who organize such travel (see here and here for examples).
Rip Murdock (1b91a0) — 9/9/2023 @ 3:07 pmRIP Dennis Austin (76). Principal developer of PowerPoint:
Rip Murdock (1b91a0) — 9/9/2023 @ 3:29 pmCongratulations to Coco Gauff for winning the women’s singles title at the US Open 2-6, 6-3, 6-2; her first Grand Slam title. She is also the first American teenager (19) to win the Open since Serena Williams in 1999, and the first American to win since 2017.
Rip Murdock (28ff55) — 9/9/2023 @ 3:40 pmMs. Gauff realized a dream.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/9/2023 @ 4:06 pmCritical missing: Florida woman of indeterminate age, 5’11”, vague European accent. Last heard in public on May 9, 2023.
Current whereabouts unknown.
Rip Murdock (ee7171) — 9/9/2023 @ 6:18 pmRip Murdock (1b91a0) — 9/9/2023 @ 3:07 pm
Well, it could be curtailed by statute, with a visa application waiver requirement. “We agree that should a person admitted under this visa give birth while in the United States, that US citizenship will not be thereby conferred.”
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/9/2023 @ 6:28 pmAB 957:
Out: Don’t be mean.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/9/2023 @ 6:29 pmIn: Don’t be creepy.
Not under the current interpretation of the law. Adding a new category of those born in the United States that would not receive citizenship at birth would require a constitutional amendment.
Rip Murdock (ee7171) — 9/9/2023 @ 6:49 pmThey don’t have to sign it, and they don’t have to get a visa.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/9/2023 @ 6:59 pmLOL! Immigration fantasy camp.
Rip Murdock (ee7171) — 9/9/2023 @ 7:02 pmhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/09/09/new-mexico-guns-suspended-albuquerque/
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/9/2023 @ 7:07 pmLOL! Immigration fantasy camp.
Wait, wasn’t someone just saying the US was denying visas for this purpose?
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/9/2023 @ 7:08 pmSome Midwest governor ought to declare pornography “an epidemic” and ban sexual speech online, subject to fines, for 30 days.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/9/2023 @ 7:10 pmKristi Noem November 17, 2022:
Kirsti Noem September 8, 2023:
What difference 295 days make.
Rip Murdock (ee7171) — 9/9/2023 @ 7:14 pmState Department officials are allowed to deny visas to enter the US, but if someone does enter the US and gives birth, their children become US citizens under current law. If the US wanted to deny citizenship to those children, it would require a constitutional amendment.
Rip Murdock (f8b12e) — 9/9/2023 @ 7:20 pmIf the US wanted to deny citizenship to those children, it would require a constitutional amendment.
No, it would simply require a different court than we had in 1873, which was also busy gutting the first section of the 14th Amendment in the Slaughterhouse Cases.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/9/2023 @ 7:44 pmDear Lujan Grisham:
The statute of limitations is 7 years. That’s until 2030. Bet you the Democrats don’t hold the White House that long.
(mistakenly posted on different thread)
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/9/2023 @ 7:45 pmRip,
you keep citing an incorrect interpretation of Wong and it’s getting tiresome. You push the leftist interpretation over and over again.
https://www.heritage.org/immigration/commentary/birthright-citizenship-fundamental-misunderstanding-the-14th-amendment
NJRob (eb56c3) — 9/9/2023 @ 7:47 pmIt would be easier to pass an amendment.
Rip Murdock (ee7171) — 9/9/2023 @ 7:52 pmGiven the fact that no Congress or administration has tried to enact a statute or regulation that strips citizenship from the children born in thee US of illegal immigrants, the federal government by omission has accepted that “erroneous” interpretation.
The Heritage Foundation post is interesting, and they may be correct about the “misinterpretation” of the 14th Amendment, but it’s not the way current law is enforced by the federal government.
Further:
Paragraph breaks added.
Rip Murdock (ee7171) — 9/9/2023 @ 8:17 pmSource for quote in post 118.
Of course it’s from that well known leftist organization, the Congressional Research Service.
Rip Murdock (f8b12e) — 9/9/2023 @ 8:20 pm@90 My suggestion has nothing to do with what new mexico gov. is doing. She is not arresting politicians who vote against gun safety which isn’t against the 2nd amendment. Try again.
asset (5cab4a) — 9/9/2023 @ 11:25 pm@94 of course it would. BUT! voting against gun safety is neither a 1st or 2nd amendment right. Speech is a right spelled out in the 1st amendment. Shooting school children or enabling is not a right.
asset (5cab4a) — 9/9/2023 @ 11:31 pmAs John Eastman, former dean of the Chapman School of Law, has said
Not the best argument.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/9/2023 @ 11:57 pmMy suggestion has nothing to do with what new mexico gov. is doing.
She is depriving citizens of a basic constitutional right. Not only is that wrong, but it is criminal. Title 18, U.S.C., Section 241 and 242. As in:
Deprivation Of Rights Under Color Of Law
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/10/2023 @ 12:03 amKevin M,
the best and most logical argument is that at the time of the Amendment no nation grated status based on location, it was all based on parentage. The Amendment was designed to grant citizenship to the formerly enslaved and their progeny and not the world as we see by the separate law passed in the 1900’s to grant the different tribes American citizenship.
Even today, only fool nations like Canada and our misinterpretation of the law grant such citizenship.
NJRob (bd761d) — 9/10/2023 @ 6:50 amEastman was intellectually raked over the coals for his spurious reasoning, by conservatives, such as Volokh and Yoo, and his standing has only cratered after his spurious reasoning about the 12th Amendment and Electoral Count Act.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/10/2023 @ 8:34 amQuelle Surprise:
Rip Murdock (eb5012) — 9/10/2023 @ 8:37 amThis message approved by Christie For President.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/10/2023 @ 8:40 amPaul,
you couldn’t actually cite anything to disagree so you attack the messenger.
Got it.
NJRob (bd761d) — 9/10/2023 @ 8:50 amLujan Grisham could justify this action in the case of civil disorder. An ongoing riot or insurrection might allow her to suspend the carrying of weapons by the citizenry. But ABQ is not in civil disorder, and she probably could not even call out the national guard to “fight” the recent downtick[!] in gun-related crime.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/10/2023 @ 8:52 amyou couldn’t actually cite anything to disagree so you attack the messenger.
You appealed to Eastman’s authority. Pointing out that he has none of late is as fair as fair could be. But he ALSO pointed to rebuttal authorities, still with some repute, who trash Eastman’s
analysisarguments.I don’t see what you have to complain about.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/10/2023 @ 8:55 amDespite Biden’s claim, Europeans WEREN’T trying to oust Ukraine prosecutor targeting Hunter’s firm
BuDuh (1a6e52) — 9/10/2023 @ 8:55 amIt would be an interesting test case, as Grisham is not banning the possession of firearms (a clear constitutional violation), but only the public possession of firearms, which wasn’t constitutionally protected until last year. It would be easier to sue the state under 42 USC 1983, which allows civil lawsuits for deprivation of rights, which the National Association for Gun Rights is doing.
It is unlikely that Grisham would be charged with a crime under 18 U.S.C. § 242 by any administration (unless President Trump orders his DOJ to so).
Rip Murdock (eb5012) — 9/10/2023 @ 9:01 amI made two cites, using real links, asshole.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/10/2023 @ 9:03 amVolokh:
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/10/2023 @ 9:11 amIt would be an interesting test case, as Grisham is not banning the possession of firearms (a clear constitutional violation), but only the public possession of firearms, which wasn’t constitutionally protected until last year.
See 133 for the NM state constitution, which DOES protect that and has a 50 year-old federal precedent clarifying that.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/10/2023 @ 9:13 am—Irish Times, March 2016
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/10/2023 @ 9:14 amIt is unlikely that Grisham would be charged with a crime under 18 U.S.C. § 242 by any administration (unless President Trump orders his DOJ to so).
1) Why not? Professional courtesy?
2) Any GOP president would be pressured to do so, as 2A rights are as holy to the GOP as abortion is to Democrats.
Governors and other government officials who issue ukases in blatant denial of enumerated rights OUGHT to go to jail. Trump is being prosecuted under 18 USC 241.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/10/2023 @ 9:17 amYou know NM politics better than anyone here, but given the breakdown of the legislature, I assume that she is safe from impeachment. I expect her order will be withdrawn by the end of the week.
Rip Murdock (eb5012) — 9/10/2023 @ 9:19 amNew outrage:
Biden’s answer to the NYC immigrant problem: mandating that released asylum-seekers remain in their state of entry. Texas is not pleased:
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/greg-abbott-blasts-potential-wh-plan-to-make-illegal-migrants-remain-in-texas-threatens-even-more-buses-to-d-c/
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/10/2023 @ 9:19 amThat’s fine, let them order the FBI to investigate and their DOJ to prosecute.
Rip Murdock (f45733) — 9/10/2023 @ 9:21 am“This is different than saying that Trump’s poisonously stupid conduct in office and afterwards was completely unacceptable and alienated the middle of the electorate, that he creates his own private realities, that he will say anything without regard for the truth and that he is profoundly selfish, easily distracted and vengeful.”
I want this as my bumper sticker
AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 9/10/2023 @ 9:35 amTwo lies in one paragraph from Soviet born Volokh.
1) In 1795 the “natural born citizenship” language was repealed and only “citizenship” was used.
2) If the Court was “reaffirming that people born in the U.S. are indeed natural-born citizens,” then their holding would have expressly used that language. No such luck:
Within the massive dicta of Wong Kim Ark, there is plenty to show that “natural-born citizen” is no more synonymous with “citizen” than “naturalized citizen” would be synonymous with “citizen.” Each is it’s own specific term. Volokh’s fuzzy statutory construction would allow a naturalized citizen to be President.
SCOTUS punted on ruling that “citizen at birth” is the same as “natural-born citizen” when it could have been a slam dunk to use specific language found in The Constitution. That should make everyone give this topic a little more thought.
BuDuh (1a6e52) — 9/10/2023 @ 9:47 amProsecutions under 18 U.S.C. § 242 need specific victims whose rights have been deprived, so I suggest you violate her order and then file a complaint with the Justice Department.
Rip Murdock (eb5012) — 9/10/2023 @ 9:48 amA “Remain in Texas(or other Border State) Policy!” Too funny!”
The way asylum treaties were supposed to work is that the asylum seekers weren’t supposed to travel past the first asylum capable country they encounter. That was the basis for Remain in Mexico.
But 81 million people had their say…
BuDuh (1a6e52) — 9/10/2023 @ 9:52 amCatoggio on Musk.
He was also succinct in describing Musk’s wrong moral calculus.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/10/2023 @ 9:52 amYou know NM politics better than anyone here, but given the breakdown of the legislature, I assume that she is safe from impeachment. I expect her order will be withdrawn by the end of the week.
NM is weird.
There are 2.1 million people in NM. Half the (non-Native) population lives in cities (ABQ, Santa Fe, Las Cruces, Taos). The rest live in (very) small communities. More than half of the state’s land is US military land, national parks and a number of Native reservations (including the huge Navajo rez across Four Corners).
The cities have turned a bit red of late, due to crime and several Soros-style DAs (one of whom is now the state AG) refusing to prosecute petty criminals. The ABQ city council is much less liberal than it once was.
The other half (900,000) live in isolated communities of a few thousand at most. These folks are VERY supportive of gun rights as they are their own first responders. While many of them vote for Democrats in the legislature, those Democrats are not anti-gun. This is why Lujan Grisham is unable to get her lopsided, gerrymandered, legislature to pass more gun control. She has far more luck with programs that provide government benefits or benefit her party. The first act of the NM legislature under Lujan Grisham was to join the Electoral Vote Compact.
That being said, the desert communities tend to elect strong conservatives, and the Congressional gerrymander assigned parts of greater ABQ to each of the 3 CDs to dilute the rural vote.
Trump is particularly unpopular here, as the state is 50% Hispanic (and many of those trace their roots to before the Mexican Cession). They do not like Donald Trump. This has tilted many state elections to D, as Trump is a drag on the ballot.
W was the last GOP presidential candidate to win the state in 2004, by less than 1%. The next 4 times the GOP lost by 15%, 8%, 10% and 11%. The Libertarian Party is strong here, having reached 9% in 2016.
In governor’s races the state is competitive, with the last 4 races being R+7, R+15, D+14 and D+6. The last two elections had Trump as as a GOP handicap.
The statehouse is 65%-35% Democrat in both houses and the congressional delegation is 3-0. Both due to a gerrymander after the legislature ignored the citizens commission and passed their own map. There are ongoing lawsuits.
Note that “Lujan” is to NM as “Lee” is to Virginia. Both the governor and one of the Senators are part of a family dynasty.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/10/2023 @ 9:55 amThat is a hell of a thing to post on social media.
The Dispatch strikes again.
BuDuh (1a6e52) — 9/10/2023 @ 9:56 amAlso, all but six of NM’s counties are part of a 2A sanctuary organization. Of the others, the Bernalillo Country (read: Albuquerque) sheriff and the ABQ police chief have said they will not police the governor’s new order, and that each of them has serious reservations about it.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/10/2023 @ 9:59 amThat is a hell of a thing to post on social media.
This is not Facebook, thank God. Neither is The Dispatch.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/10/2023 @ 10:00 amTwo lies in one paragraph from Soviet born Volokh.
Talk about attacking the messenger.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/10/2023 @ 10:03 amSubscription sites where groups of people post their thoughts/opinions on topics are not social media sites?
Sure.
BuDuh (1a6e52) — 9/10/2023 @ 10:03 amYour rules.
BuDuh (1a6e52) — 9/10/2023 @ 10:04 amProsecutions under 18 U.S.C. § 242 need specific victims whose rights have been deprived, so I suggest you violate her order and then file a complaint with the Justice Department.
I suspect someone is speeding up and down a state highway, trolling for state police as we speak, so that he can point to his unlocked rifle in the back seat — legal last Thursday — and get the needed citation.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/10/2023 @ 10:06 amYour rules.
Uh, no. Attacking an argument is different that this pure ad hominum.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/10/2023 @ 10:07 amOk
BuDuh (1a6e52) — 9/10/2023 @ 10:10 amSubscription sites where groups of people post their thoughts/opinions on topics are not social media sites?
Well, they’re websites. But they are the difference between a members-only club and a bullhorn on he sidewalk. Facebook is just email spam with a bit of organization.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/10/2023 @ 10:11 amFor Rip:
New poll finds California voters resoundingly oppose cash reparations for slavery
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/10/2023 @ 10:30 amArnold for President!
Rip Murdock (eb5012) — 9/10/2023 @ 10:31 amScotusblog: Court asked to review prosecution of Jan. 6 participants, with implications for Trump
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/10/2023 @ 10:36 amNot willing to put your money (literally) where your mouth is?😜
Rip Murdock (eb5012) — 9/10/2023 @ 10:39 amIdiotic idea. The reparations report will be shelved and forgotten.
Rip Murdock (eb5012) — 9/10/2023 @ 10:51 amOr Volokh.
BuDuh (1a6e52) — 9/10/2023 @ 11:02 amIdiotic idea. The reparations report will be shelved and forgotten.
I particularly liked the bit about capping rents in previously redlined zip codes. I can think of no better way to mandate slums.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/10/2023 @ 11:20 amThe Dispatch is a subscription online website with a comments section, so if that is your view of what social media is, BuDuh, does that mean that this website is also social media? Oxford defines “social media” as…
Dispatch and Patterico users can post comments, but we don’t have the keys to post any front-page content.
Regarding the 14th Amendment, the language in very first sentence is unambiguous…
It doesn’t say natural born, just born. The only place in the Constitution where “natural born” appears is Article II, Section 1, pertaining to qualifications for president.
Regarding “subject to the jurisdiction thereof”…
Your Naturalization Act argument makes no sense to me. The “born” part was specifically referring to situations like McCain or Ted Cruz.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/10/2023 @ 11:28 amThe Fifth Circuit has temporarily stayed Judge Ezra’s ruling pending appeal.
Rip Murdock (eb5012) — 9/10/2023 @ 11:50 amThank you, Paul.
BuDuh (1a6e52) — 9/10/2023 @ 12:00 pmHand Wringing:
Rip Murdock (eb5012) — 9/10/2023 @ 12:15 pmDana/JVW:
My post at 12:15 pm is “in moderation”. Please release Thanks.
[Done. – JVW]
Rip Murdock (f45733) — 9/10/2023 @ 12:19 pmNate (7759cd) — 9/9/2023 @ 9:01 am
You probably have to read between the lines.
The bill would have the state of California endorse a cult with crazy beliefs – that many people are assumed at birth to be the wrong sex and that this can be corrected, and that children should lie about this to their parents – not at age 18 but at age 12.
That the belief about being the wrong gender is wrong is proven by increase in the percentage of children who have this belief, because it means either all over the world and for all time till now people were being forced wrongly to agree on what their sex is, or that this is amounts to a new cultish belief, spread by some adults to children.
Sammy Finkelman (246e0e) — 9/10/2023 @ 12:40 pmI don’t think Nate is coming back to this one even though Rip provided him a link.
BuDuh (1a6e52) — 9/10/2023 @ 12:43 pmIt doesn’t say natural born, just born. The only place in the Constitution where “natural born” appears is Article II, Section 1, pertaining to qualifications for president.
Yet another phrase that is tortured by those that want it to mean something else.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/10/2023 @ 3:08 pmIt doesn’t say what you say it does.
Yes it does, as it only adds one paragraph within the state code, in two different places. The rest of the stuff (e.g. don’t give kids back to their crack addict mom) was already there.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/10/2023 @ 3:10 pmThus the children of illegal aliens are not U.S. citizens only if they are not “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States.
And indeed, they would note BE “illegal” if they were not subject to said jurisdiction. The only place where this makes sense is those with diplomatic immunity, and potentially those just passing through. Would a child born in a international transit holding area qualify?
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/10/2023 @ 3:13 pm*And indeed, they would not be
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/10/2023 @ 3:18 pmThe “natural born v. born” and if “natural born” meant “born of two citizen parents” was a hallmark of the Obama citizenship conspiracy theory litigation.
Rip Murdock (820914) — 9/10/2023 @ 3:30 pmAnd, as we know, it means “became a citizen at birth.” So, the child of two illegals, born in El Paso, can become president.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/10/2023 @ 3:51 pmAnd what was the consensus of the holdings in the majority of those litigations, Rip?
BuDuh (1a6e52) — 9/10/2023 @ 4:27 pmI guess the framers of the 14th amendment were just too lazy to use the synonym that everyone knows.
BuDuh (1a6e52) — 9/10/2023 @ 4:29 pmLack of standing or frivolous litigation.
Rip Murdock (bb3d20) — 9/10/2023 @ 4:32 pmOh?
So I guess the “hallmark” didn’t get resolved. Funny that.
BuDuh (1a6e52) — 9/10/2023 @ 4:35 pmHallmark: a distinguishing characteristic, trait, or feature.
Rip Murdock (bb3d20) — 9/10/2023 @ 4:38 pmThe questions raised by the birtherism litigation had already been answered, in that President Obama was a natural born citizen of the United States.
Rip Murdock (bb3d20) — 9/10/2023 @ 4:41 pm👍
BuDuh (1a6e52) — 9/10/2023 @ 4:48 pmTaking Sides:
Rip Murdock (bb3d20) — 9/10/2023 @ 4:57 pmMore From Arizona:
Comedy gold!
Rip Murdock (bb3d20) — 9/10/2023 @ 5:14 pm“Mr. Trump had a “very solid base,” adding that he would “almost have to murder somebody””
I kinda doubt that murder would even disuade many. The victim would have had it coming…or the facts would somehow be in dispute. However Trump wanted them to see it. We’ll see what people do when we get to actual primary voting. It’s perplexing that the party of Reagan has become the party of Trump. I guess good luck with that…
AJ_Liberty (677a2b) — 9/10/2023 @ 5:32 pmTrump could shoot Chris Christie on national TV and he’d still get a plurality of the vote.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/10/2023 @ 5:58 pmDon’t forget Trump’s comment “I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters” in 2016.
The gnashing of teeth and rending of garments by the billionaire class that funded Trump in 2016 and 2020 is hilarious. He is their monster, and they are unable (or unwilling) to anything to stop him.
Rip Murdock (bb3d20) — 9/10/2023 @ 6:11 pmIf Christie and Trump had an old fashioned duel, neither would miss
steveg (758282) — 9/10/2023 @ 6:14 pmChristie would be OK with that.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/10/2023 @ 6:15 pmBoth would claim victory
steveg (758282) — 9/10/2023 @ 6:58 pmFlesh wound?
steveg (758282) — 9/10/2023 @ 6:58 pmI feel like Christie can probably shoot. Trump probably has people who shoot for him.
Nic (896fdf) — 9/10/2023 @ 8:51 pmWhy do minorities in blue states vote for progressive prosecutors and judges? Many come from states like texas where judges run on how many death warrants they sign and prosecutors on how many death sentences they get. When they get caught like tex. ag ken paxton they expect mercy and forgivness. L federal “drug” prosecuter tried to get out of hit and run and drunk driving arrest by flashing his government credentials and telling cops their masters wont want to make an enemy of a prosecuter. We had a gov. republican jan brewer get away with it here in AZ because dhe was a “friend” of DPS ron milstead.
asset (eae5d7) — 9/10/2023 @ 9:23 pmI feel like Christie can probably shoot. Trump probably has people who shoot for him.
Christie would empty the clip, too.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/10/2023 @ 9:33 pmOut: Covfefe
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/10/2023 @ 9:39 pmIn: Lying dog-faced pony soldiers.
It’s how stutterers compensate. They stick to words they’ve found they can pronounce.
I have no explanation for the WWII (dogface) and Plains Wars (pony soldiers) jumble.
nk (c50eed) — 9/11/2023 @ 4:02 amI feel like Christie can probably shoot. Trump probably has people who shoot for him.
Trump would have trouble with his finger reaching the trigger; Christie with getting his through the trigger guard.
nk (c50eed) — 9/11/2023 @ 4:09 amAnd neither should start from a waist draw.
nk (c50eed) — 9/11/2023 @ 4:35 amMeantime, has anybody already mentioned this and I missed i?
Reading past the media bias, the facts are damning. And I think I owe NJRob an apology. But not Matt Taibbi.
nk (39ee67) — 9/11/2023 @ 7:14 amI had forgotten about this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emergency_(India)
This kind of thing is much on my mind these days. We need to avoid it at all costs.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 9/11/2023 @ 7:33 am@104 Rip Murdock (ee7171) — 9/9/2023 @ 6:49 pm
Re: Wong Kim Ark.
That was a judicial ruling, and if I’m not mistaken considered Dicta with respect to birthright citizenship.
Congress CAN pass a statute to turn off birthright citizenship from a fixed date.
What they cannot do, is make it retroactive once given. THAT would take a constitutional amendment.
whembly (eafcf2) — 9/11/2023 @ 7:46 am@202, It does make one nervous when politicians from both side start dipping into emergency powers to get their preferred results. Biden’s vaccine mandate for large private companies and his unilateral extension of rent deferral are troubling over-reaches. So too it appears the NM governor’s foray into unilaterally regulating guns because of an imagined emergency. These are the problems that manifest with both increased radicalism and the paralysis it brings to the political system. For instance, there are reasonable things we could be doing on illegal and legal immigration to make it more ordered, but we rather play politics to try to gain an advantage in terms of power. The temperature rises with the predictable result being violence and the authoritarianism required to control it. It’s equally concerning that Trump’s people were allegedly contemplating using the Insurrection Act to quell opposition to their quasi-insurrection. DeSantis bullying Disney and public teachers and performatively shipping illegals around the country are not encouraging signs either. It’s cliche, but we do need to find a way to get along better. We need common purpose. This is the problem with the culture war items…it just makes this problem worse. Some don’t seem to care.
AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 9/11/2023 @ 8:14 amAJ, I think that the kindergarten approach—You Cut, I Choose—seems best. I mean, I listened to:
1. Someone claiming that Biden was smart as a whip this weekend.
2. A pro-Trump person dissing DeSantis for being…rude and insensitive.
Folks really can’t think this. It must be rah rah cheerleading…or a complete disconnect from prior events.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 9/11/2023 @ 8:24 amAnyone see Biden beimg shooed off the stage by his handlers while he was answering a question.
Is anyone even pretending anymore that he’s in charge?
NJRob (9fa282) — 9/11/2023 @ 8:53 amThat was a judicial ruling, and if I’m not mistaken considered Dicta with respect to birthright citizenship.
It was a Supreme Court ruling and it was on all fours (not dicta) with respect to birthright citizenship. The Court ruled that a person of Chinese parents born in the United States was by birth a citizen of the United States no matter how much a bunch of xenophobic bigots in Congress might yammer that his allegiance still lay with the Emperor of the Celestial Kingdom.
nk (ad8fa8) — 9/11/2023 @ 8:54 amAJ,
telling school teachers not to use their authority to groom small children is not an abuse of power. The government does not own our kids.
NJRob (9fa282) — 9/11/2023 @ 8:58 amSimon,
Here’s what we are up against: Trump or Death
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/11/2023 @ 9:00 amCongress CAN pass a statute to turn off birthright citizenship from a fixed date
Congress can make pi equal to 7 if they want. Doesn’t make it true. How do you expect textualists to get around the plain English of the 14th Amendment? Pretty sure that Clarence Thomas would rip that a new assh0le.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/11/2023 @ 9:04 amSo too it appears the NM governor’s foray into unilaterally regulating guns because of an imagined emergency.
Especially when gun crimes in the affected county have been on a decrease, thanks to a change in the DA and public opinion regarding criminal justice.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/11/2023 @ 9:06 amThe Court ruled that a person of Chinese parents born in the United States was by birth a citizen of the United States
While I agree with your interpretation, I don’t see how this is on point wrt illegal immigration, something that has mostly evolved since. Back then, someone could move from Ciudad Juarez to El Paso and no one would be the wiser. IDs, personal taxes, etc, didn’t exist.
Everyone was undocumented.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/11/2023 @ 9:12 amThe fact of the matter is that for a 100 years or so, both Congress and the Supreme Court have moved towards recognition of citizenship when the question arises, to the point when it has become very difficult to even voluntarily renounce it.
nk (ad8fa8) — 9/11/2023 @ 9:17 amNo argument.
Still no argument
Um, no argument but I see a tilt developing.
Now the tilt is obvious. DeSantis (and Abbot) are acting to counter largely unopposed transgressions: Illegal immigration (sharing the pain with the posturers), trans activism (masquerading as education), and corporations that sanction states for democratically-passed laws.
All true, but the problem is at least shared. The Culture Wars did not start on the Right and more than the Ukraine War did not start in Ukraine.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/11/2023 @ 9:21 am*
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/11/2023 @ 9:22 amandanyit has become very difficult to even voluntarily renounce it.
The IRS has a hand in that. There are people who have never visited the USA, and never intend to, who have serious banking problems in their country of residence because the IRS claims they own US income taxes.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/11/2023 @ 9:24 amCA culture wars:
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AB-655 states that “mental health treatment” shall involve a minor’s parent or guardian “unless the professional person who is treating or counseling the minor, after consultation with the minor, determines that the involvement would be inappropriate.” In doing so, the legislation intentionally carves out an exception to hide “gender-affirming counseling” from parents on the suspicion that parents who want to save their kids from later experimental interventions actually pose a threat to their own children.
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AB-1078 bills itself as protecting “instructional materials and curriculum” that address “diversity.” On Thursday, it passed both the California Senate, 31-9, and the Assembly, 61-17.
The bill aims to prohibit a public school board or a charter school governing body from “refusing to approve or prohibiting the use of any textbook, instructional material, or other curriculum or any book or other resource in a school library on the basis that it includes a study of the role and contributions of any individual or group” as laid out in requirements to “accurately portray the cultural and racial diversity of our society.”
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https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/09/10/californias-coming-inquisition-targeting-anti-trans-parents/
None of these bills should be within government’s power. They are a further demonstration of government enforcing religious belief in the schools and in society at large.
But the real takeaway is that states that oppose this kind of overreach are pilloried, while stat3es that engage in Culture Wars on the other side are not.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/11/2023 @ 9:42 amSorry about the missing block quotes.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/11/2023 @ 9:42 amThe Democrat Party controls the state legislature 3-1 in both houses, even though statewide elections are much closer than that. CA invented the modern gerrymander.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/11/2023 @ 9:44 amIs “natural-born citizen” part of that plain English?
BuDuh (1a6e52) — 9/11/2023 @ 10:10 amI’m fine with people pushing back on teachers and their unions. They have indulged in quite of mission creep beyond their original charter, to the point where they want more rights than the parents have, and don’t care much about pushing back on Disney’s kingdoms. They co-opted and corrupted Anaheim, they went one up in Orlando area by carving out their own Kingdom within a state, now is time for that to be over.
I think Texas should be able to win a legal challenge on buying immigrants a ticket to LA or NYC. If the person is said by USA to be free to move about the country, it should be legal to gift them a ticket if they’d like to go to NYC, Chicago or LA. If the feds say that the immigrants must stay in the border state they first crossed into, I think TX should win there on it being an unfair burden on Tx citizens but it is all politics, power and not about what is best
steveg (da3952) — 9/11/2023 @ 10:12 am@207
Ah, thanks for the correct.
Again, my point still stands. Either another SC rule overturns that, or Congress passes a statute governing birthright citizenships.
whembly (5f7596) — 9/11/2023 @ 10:16 am@210
Textualism, yes you’d be right.
But, the arguments to be had is Originalism…and there’s debate about that.
whembly (5f7596) — 9/11/2023 @ 10:18 amWell Biden being a puppet explains why he’s the first President to ignore 9/11.
NJRob (9fa282) — 9/11/2023 @ 10:18 amBut, the arguments to be had is Originalism…and there’s debate about that.
But there were NO arguments about “illegal immigrants” during the ratification, so originalism gets you nowhere. As I’ve said before, only what we now call “citizenship tourism” was addressed, and only by tenuous implication. There were no “illegal immigrants” in 1866, nor any good way to identify such.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/11/2023 @ 10:27 am@213
Federal Abortion (from 1973) stood nearly 50 years and was overturned.
So, I don’t think it’s as insurmountable as you’re implying.
For sure, it would take an Amendment to retroactive remove Birthright citizenship already given, and I doubt we’d see any appetite.
But, at some future point? I can certainly see either overturned in SC or Congress passes a statute prohibiting it.
whembly (5f7596) — 9/11/2023 @ 10:28 am@225
The originalism argument, as I understood it, as the 14th Amendment was silent on the idea of this “citizenship tourism”.
Hence, the arguments that should congress explicitedly pass a law to govern this, it should be kosher.
whembly (5f7596) — 9/11/2023 @ 10:30 amClarence Thomas views the citizenship clause of the 14th amendment as holy writ, as it allowed the freedmen to have (at least theoretical) full citizenship. He’s actually more on board with the first paragraph of that amendment than Supreme Court precedent, since everything after the first sentence was gutted in the 1870s.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/11/2023 @ 10:32 amNot exactly. The bit connecting the birth to those who are subject to the laws of the United States is not “silence.” There was no discussion of people arriving by jet plane, of course, but there is an at least presentable argument there involving “owing allegiance.”
This is different that those who enter the US with a view to living here, whatever their official status is. Even an illegal immigrant “owes allegiance” to the US and the state within which they reside.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/11/2023 @ 10:39 am@229
While the US vs Ark case does seem to argue for birthright citizenship, there’s a distinction here…
Wong Kim Ark was a legal resident of the US.
You can’t say the same for those who illegally come to our country.
Here’s a working analogy:
Newborn children of illegal aliens born in US soil are more analogous to the children of a foreign invading force than to Wong Kim Ark. The former are children of parents who lack immigration status and whose presence actually defies our laws – – whereas the latter was the child of lawful-permanent-resident which is nearly indistinguishable from citizens.
Congress, via the various nationalization/immigation laws is the controlling authority here if they so choose to change birthright citizenship, imo. (no chance something like that happens in near term)
Unless I’m missing some other judicial ruling, there has never been an explicit holding by SCOTUS that the children of illegal aliens are automatically accorded birthright citizenship. Again, in the case of Wong Kim Ark (1898), the Court ruled that a child born in the U.S. of legal aliens was entitled to “birthright citizenship” under the 14th Amendment. This is an important distinction and the legalese are suckers for such specificity. This was a 5–4 opinion which provoked the dissent of Chief Justice Melville Fuller, who argued that the 14th Amendment did not in fact adopt the common-law understanding of birthright citizenship.
Keep in mind during this time, there was almost unanimous agreement among its framers that the amendment did not extend citizenship to Indians. Over the years there were some hodge-podge laws that moved the tribes under the US jurisdiction. Then, in 1923 Indian Citizenship Act, there was a universal offer to all tribes. Any Indian who consented could become a citizen.
Thus Congress used its legislative authority under Section 5 of the 14th Am. to determine who was under the jurisdiction of the U.S.
Congress could make a similar determination today, based on this legislative precedent, that children born in the U.S. to illegal aliens ARE or ARE NOT subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. A constitutional amendment is no more required today than it was in 1923.
Furthermore, the intent was plain –
Congressional Globe, 39th Cong., 1st Sess. (1866), 2890 (Sen. Howard, authoring the 14th amendment):
Howard said,
Illegal aliens fits the “foreigners” and “aliens” moreso than anything else.
That’s where my perspective is on this debate.
Congress can pass a statutory law government whether or NOT illegal aliens born in the US are automatically citizens. Even the Supreme Court could reverse it’s Kim Ark ruling as well.
With the debacle currently today at the border and border states “sending” illegal aliens to Blue cities, there may be some appetite to confront this.
whembly (5f7596) — 9/11/2023 @ 10:50 amI agree that Disney, Trans, and immigrant lifts/bussings are different kinds of animals than pushing for suspect regulations or dubious executive orders. There is also no link to an appeal to emergency powers. DeSantis and the legislature certainly have the power to revoke Disney’s special district. I’m not so sure they have the ability to revoke it because of political speech Disney engaged in. The Florida legislature can also draft rules that government employees must follow in schools. Problems result if the rules are ambiguous but that’s true of all legislature…but in this case it is purposeful rather than accidental. If it happened that it did result in a “don’t say gay” interpretation, then would that go to far in terms of chilling free speech (with admittedly teachers having obvious constraints on what topics they can engage in the classroom).
AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 9/11/2023 @ 10:57 amThe wording of the fourteenth amendment on this topic is clear:
> All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
The argument that some people born in the US are not citizens depends on the clause “subject to the jurisdiction thereof”. If they are born here without being subject to our jurisdiction, they’re not citizens.
But if they’re not subject to our jurisdiction, we cannot prosecute them for any crimes they commit (because they are not subject to our jurisdiction).
People who want the children of illegal immigrants to both not be citizens *and* be prosecutable for crimes are trying to interpret the same exact five word clause differently in different circumstances without any textual justification for doing so.
aphrael (71d87c) — 9/11/2023 @ 11:03 amIt is unlikely that Congress would be able enact such a law, as it would be filibustered in the Senate, and even more unlikely that the Supreme Court would reverse Wong Kim Ark. Enacting such a law (or regulation) would be necessary so that the a legal challenge to the current interpretation would reach the Supreme Court.
Citizenship law fantasy camp.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/11/2023 @ 11:19 amYou would think that Joe Biden would at least acknowledge the 9/11 anniversary. But no. Go look.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/11/2023 @ 11:20 am> the arguments that should congress explicitedly pass a law to govern this, it should be kosher.
if Congress explicitly passes a law which says that some people who are born in the united states are not citizens of the united states, it is no different than if Congress explicitly passes a law which says it is a federal crime to utter certain words. It directly contradicts the express text of the constitution.
aphrael (71d87c) — 9/11/2023 @ 11:23 am@232
This is an argument similar to how “militias” was/is interpreted with respect to the 2nd amendment.
“subject to jurisdiction” isn’t meant back then as how you posited. It’s meant, “as it’s understood, what country/nation do you hold your allegiance”.
Just because you illegally cross a boarder, doesn’t mean you renounce your former allegiance.
Point being, it isn’t as clear cut as an argument you’re making and there’s a LEAST a case to argue that the status quo interpretation is wrong.
whembly (5f7596) — 9/11/2023 @ 11:29 amAnother way to look at it.
If you wanted the status quo, (ie, illegal alien giving birth to US citizens)…
Then why bother the “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, ” descriptor? Just leave it out.
But, it’s there and it’s meaningful.
whembly (5f7596) — 9/11/2023 @ 11:31 amwhembly, the fact that birthright citizenship is valid if the immigrants are legally present does not say that it is not, if they are not. Additionally, the 14th Amendment’s language is broader, since it intended to make the freedmen citizens retroactively. So, “all persons … subject to jurisdiction” included them as the slaves were, if anything, subject to American jurisdiction.
Even if the Court did not have to reach the “legality” issue, the arguments are the same.
Illegal immigrants can be arrested, prosecuted and — after due process — imprisoned, expelled or both. This means they are also subject to US jurisdiction. I think that they could be drafted, if there was a draft, and charged with treason, should that apply. So they also “owe allegiance” to some degree.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/11/2023 @ 11:31 amLet’s Get Ready to Rumble!!!!:
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/11/2023 @ 11:32 amNo, they can’t. Well, they can try, but would be ruled unconstitutional.
Wong Kim Ark was not a legal resident, he was a citizen. CA became a state in 1850, the 14th Amendment was passed in 1866, Ark was born in Frisco in 1873, and the USSC ruling bore directly on the issue. It wasn’t a segue into dicta. Call me a Scalia textualist, but the 1st sentence in Article I is concise…
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/11/2023 @ 12:08 pmToo bad for Volokh. Paul lucidly points out that “natural-born citizen” does not exist in the 14th Amendment. I don’t see how a textualist, Scalia style or otherwise, gets around this problem.
BuDuh (1a6e52) — 9/11/2023 @ 12:17 pmwhembly (5f7596) — 9/11/2023 @ 11:31 am
It’s mainly to exclude “Indians not taxed” who were excluded from the Census.
There was a frontier at the time. There were ungoverned areas.
It also applies to diplomats. Very important here is if a parent was employed by a foreign government at the time of the bi
birth of the child.
There was also no such thing as an illegal immigrant in 1868 nor even any “unincoporated territory.”
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 9/11/2023 @ 12:17 pmwhembly (5f7596) — 9/11/2023 @ 10:50 am
No it can’t.
And if it would be possible to reinterpret the first clause of the 14th amendment, it would apply to the past, too, unless Congress made all people previously assumed to be citizens, citizens
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 9/11/2023 @ 12:21 pm184. BuDuh (1a6e52) — 9/10/2023 @ 4:54 pm
The one who made the mistake, (was Bill Bonnell a producer?) or the one who corrected ESPN?
Did he or she correct them on the air?
The posture is derived from that of King Solomon at the dedication of the first temple.
II Chronicles 6:12-13
https://mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt25b06.htm
Also in I Kings 8:22 & 54, though not as clearly:
https://mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt09a08.htm
and
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 9/11/2023 @ 12:48 pmDespite the many pages of Wong Kim Ark the court boils it down to the specific question and the direct answer.
Embracing the power of and:
That is the total “single question” that the court “answered in the affirmative.”
Does that mean that the status of an illegal alien parent, that may have residency in the United States but is technically domiciled in his country of origin, can prevent his US born child for acquiring US Citizenship at birth?
Maybe. That set of specifics was not explored in the WKA question to the court so the court never ruled on it.
IMO, which isn’t worth anything, this leaves open the possibility for Congress to pass a law regarding residency/domicile as a disqualification for birthright citizenship. Or has SCOTUS separately resolved this? I don’t know.
WKA was as a very, very specific question. And the court took care in noting that.
BuDuh (1a6e52) — 9/11/2023 @ 12:50 pmWhat problem? How does the lack of the “natural” in the sentence somehow cancel what it precisely says?
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/11/2023 @ 1:01 pmI don’t disagree with the precise language, Paul. I agree that it is very precise.
I am pointing out that Volokh, in your link, is treating it as if it has the specific term “natural-born citizen.”
That is an error.
BuDuh (1a6e52) — 9/11/2023 @ 1:04 pm8, Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/8/2023 @ 10:35 am
The New York Daly News had along, somewhat meandering and inconclusive editorial on Sunday, in which it said that actually in that time period the level of immigration was higher. The so-called crisis, it says, is the product of choices made and not made.
https://www.nydailynews.com/2023/09/10/migrants-strengthen-new-york-but-the-city-still-needs-financial-help/
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 9/11/2023 @ 1:06 pmMaybe, maybe not. It’s interesting that Trump’s lawyers have not yet filed for removal to federal court.
Source (page 184). Paragraph breaks added and footnotes removed.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/11/2023 @ 1:13 pmWhat odds would you place on that happening? Somewhere between slim and none. Even as recently as the 115th Congress (2017-19) when Republicans controlled both houses of Congress (and Donald Trump was President for most of its existence), such legislation did wasn’t enacted.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/11/2023 @ 1:24 pm[and]of parents of Chinese descent,
[and] who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China,
These two factors were considered because at the time, and until 1943, the Chinese Exclusion Acts were in effect. Federal statutes specifically excluding Chinese (and later other Pacific Asia nations). Substitute “Birth Tourism Act” for a possible future case.
nk (c8f033) — 9/11/2023 @ 1:37 pmCongress decided, in years past, as a policy choice, not to allow people claiming political asylum to work for at least six months. Nobody has published details so far, but it’s a law that Biden and apparently other Democrats, wouldn’t even dream of proposing changing..
Temporary Protected Status would allow people to work, but no one can legally arrive after the date it is proclaimed.
There’s a special non quota work visa/ It’s little used and difficult to apply for, and may require a number of employees to be included at the same time, and so difficult for small farmers, but I would guess that people who say they don’t want to go back to their country f citizenship are not eligible or something.
Congress has been tying immigration up in knots for decades, all with a goal of limiting numbers and the president’s discretionary authority. The vetting for Afghans who were clearly in the anti-Taliban side, has become impossible.
Not sure what this is about, but presumably the cost of these is low. They omit schools but the government is trying to raise the cost of education and the number of teachers anyway.
About 30% in New York, but if they lose they won’t be arrested immediately. They can also apply for hardship deferrals – applies to extreme hardship for U.S. citizen or permanent resident spouses but not hardship for U.S. citizen children, on the reasoning presumably that would be immigrants might have children just in order to stay in the country while marriages are a non quota category, but people ordered deported are ordinarily barred from using it for ten years. Of course this gets the federal government into the business of determining whether a marriage is real or not.
The extreme hardship deferral of removal exists in the first place of course, in order to prevent pressure on Congress for private relief bills or to liberalize the law. Don’t think the restrictionists are not strategizing.
Everybody lobbying strategizes and they seek either to prevent or create loopholes and nobody discusses things honestly. False issues are also raised by the restrictionists. Polio!?? I read that in a letter to the editor as an example of a disease for migrants are not tested. The other two were slightly more plausible possibilities. Fentanyl? It’s smuggled in hidden with fruit and vegetables, especially avocados, and in vehicles driven by U.S. citizens. Now, the most inexperienced drug dealers may try small scale smuggling and they would also be the most deadly. So yes, it would be useful to stop that if it’s going on. Guns? The smuggling is in the other direction U.S.A. -> Mexico.
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 9/11/2023 @ 1:40 pmThis is probably where Jeffrey Clark loses, because he is accused of conspiring to have the Department of Justice issue a false statement. This is where Mark Meadows had the better case but the judge ruled that what he did (or is accused of) when beyond the furthest bound of a legitimate action by a Chief of Staff. Meadoes ad argued he hoed tat if he helped Trump he would be ale to land the plsane (make a peaceful transition)
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 9/11/2023 @ 1:46 pmFrom immigrating, until World War II (1943) when a quota of 100 individuals was enacted for Chinese.
They also if already here, could not naturalize.
Now there was afraud that people did. A Chinese man woud travel for a year to China and report a birth. Maybe it was real. years later a “paper son” would apply to come to be admitted. They were closely questioned but at the time there was no DNA or even blood tests used.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_sons
https://www.facinghistory.org/resource-library/paper-sons-daughters-complexity-choices-during-exclusion-era
https://www.immigrant-voices.aiisf.org/stories-by-author/737-my-father-was-a-paper-son
They were eventually legalized and allowed to reclaim their true identity.
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 9/11/2023 @ 2:00 pmFrom the Daily News editorial published Sunday
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 9/11/2023 @ 2:04 pmToday we had the reading of the names, broadcast on most main television stations (not the subchannels) but not on radio, although some shows discussed what was going on or September 11th itself.
A bell rings at four times: When the two planes hit and when the buildings fell down. I think also the time when the plane hot the Pentagon and the plane crashed in Shanksville, Pennsylvania. I didn’t watch this steadily.
The names are read in alphabetical order, except for the two presenters who say things: And my aunt, uncle husband wife, etc. we miss you Thse names are read out of order. One person near the end played a recorded message.
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 9/11/2023 @ 2:19 pmMaybe. That set of specifics was not explored in the WKA question to the court so the court never ruled on it.
The ruling did not differentiate the legal status of the parents. It simply said they are residents, permanently domiciled in California and conducting business there. They were not diplomats or agents of a foreign power.
That they did not sort legal from illegal actually argues against you. It would take a court to find that the difference matters before there is any notion that such a statute would be constitutional. Do you think that the current Supreme Court would accept that? I can see lots of reasons to think otherwise, particularly recent Native American cases.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/11/2023 @ 2:23 pmChinese Exclusion Acts
I am willing to bet large sums that no member of the Supreme Court will rely on the Chinese Exclusion Acts to buttress their case.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/11/2023 @ 2:25 pmwho, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China,
Any immigrant who has not naturalized is the subject or citizen of a foreign state. Even if they are able to be naturalized, but don’t, WKA still applies.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/11/2023 @ 2:27 pmNot Gonna Happen:
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/11/2023 @ 2:43 pmNo kidding?
It simply said that the child of parents who posses those attributes, if born on US Soil, is a citizen.
Change the attributes and you have an unanswered question.
BuDuh (1a6e52) — 9/11/2023 @ 3:16 pmChange the attributes and you have an unanswered question.
Like if they were English subjects and not Chinese?
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/11/2023 @ 3:55 pmIn response to Trump’s complaint about the trial date just before Super Tuesday, Judge Chutkan should move the date a month earlier.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/11/2023 @ 3:56 pmIt simply said that the child of parents who posses those attributes, if born on US Soil, is a citizen.
Change the attributes and you have an unanswered question.
No. The Wong Kim Ark Court acknowledged that Congress had “acted” with the Chinese Exclusion Act. And then decided that Congress could not overturn the Fourteenth Amendment.
nk (908739) — 9/11/2023 @ 4:12 pmI still don’t understand why you think there’s a distinction between “born in the US” and “natural-born”, and I saw no such distinction in the Wong Kim Ark case.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/11/2023 @ 4:20 pmSo much for textualism.
BuDuh (6e812b) — 9/11/2023 @ 4:26 pmAccording to arch-liberals James Ho and Eugene Volokh, that question was answered 40 years ago by Plyler v. Doe and INS v. Rios-Pineda, both of which held, quoting Ho, “that the 14th Amendment extends to anyone ‘who is subject to the laws of a state,’ including the U.S.-born children of illegal aliens.”
The following, for example, is from INS v. Rios-Pineda: “Deportation proceedings were then instituted against [the illegal immigrant] respondents, who by that time had a child, who, being born in the United States, was a United States citizen.”
lurker (cd7cd4) — 9/11/2023 @ 5:05 pmlurker,
That same article has WKA qualifying the citizenship to “includ[e] all children here born of resident aliens.” While this makes no differentiation between legal and illegal, it does make a distinction between resident aliens and those just passing through.
Which is why I claim that there is a decent basis for Congress to reject citizenship tourism.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/11/2023 @ 6:28 pmHo begins by taking this WKA paragraph:
And butchering it down to this excerpt:
Wow.
I will need some Dramamine to get through the rest of his slaughter.
BuDuh (6e812b) — 9/11/2023 @ 6:47 pmWell, it needed some butchering. Judges don’t have editors, but they should. And it does reduce to that, particularly the “resident” part. IF you removed that word from the summary, it would be a distortion.
But thank you for the full excerpt, since “or born on foreign public ships” would tend to remove [non-resident] citizenship tourists from the allowed groups.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/11/2023 @ 6:53 pmWith the caveat that I don’t enough to have an informed opinion, your distinction seems plausible. But what does Congress have to do with it? Either the !4th Amendment makes the American-born offspring of transient illegal immigrants citizens or it doesn’t. The place to settle that is the courts. If the answer is “nah,” then no Congressional action is necessary. If it’s, “yeah, they’re citizens,” Congress can’t do a thing about it.
I suppose Congress could pass a law which would immediately be challenged, and which challenge would force SCOTUS to weigh in. In that case all I’ll say is, assuming I remember my 1-L Property correctly, that your legal residence is pretty much just wherever you live or have lived, and intend to stay or to which you intend to return. And yes, you can have more than one country of residence. So good luck proving a pregnant illegal snuck in just to drop an anchor baby, and not to reside here. The ones who go back their country of origin right after giving birth, never to retur, sure, those cases can be made. But how many such women leave their babies behind? Because if they don’t, what’s to argue about?
Seems like an interesting question, but with a vanishingly small number of people to whom it should matter.
lurker (cd7cd4) — 9/11/2023 @ 10:14 pmUgh. Typos. I think they’re all easily enough decipherable. Remember the good old days before Obama stole the preview function?
lurker (cd7cd4) — 9/11/2023 @ 10:19 pmI have no idea what you’re caterwauling about.
lurker (cd7cd4) — 9/11/2023 @ 10:22 pmlurker (cd7cd4) — 9/11/2023 @ 10:19 pm
It was a software update but what did it have to do with Obama?
It happens too many times with new versions of software.
And now I read the iPhone is surpassing Android, which is better software.
Sammy Finkelman (d28438) — 9/12/2023 @ 7:22 amIt was a software update but what did it have to do with Obama?
It wasn’t Obama. It was Jack Smith.
nk (28c6fd) — 9/12/2023 @ 7:45 amMe neither, just like I have no idea why BuDuh is making a case about the relevance of “natural born” versus “born”, but I can’t get an explanation out of him.
BTW, Gov. Youngkin is another superior alternative to Trump but is unfortunately not running, and he made the right call in pardoning Scott Thomas Smith.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/12/2023 @ 7:57 amThe young father rightfully and righteously expressed his outrage that his 14-year old daughter was raped in a public school by a cross-dressing hooligan.
Catoggio on Gov. Grisham’s power grab…
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/12/2023 @ 8:15 amBreaking:
McCarthy backs launching formal impeachment inquiry into Biden
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/12/2023 @ 8:35 amBreaking:
McCarthy backs launching formal impeachment inquiry into Biden
So two brothers decide to go into the watermelon business. They rent a truck, go to a wholesaler, and load it with watermelons at $1.00 per melon.
Then they park it at a highly-trafficked area and sell the watermelons from the truck at $1.00 per melon.
At the end of the day, they tally up the money and the expenses and what with the rental of the truck, they’re $160,00 in the red.
They think about it and, finally, one brother turns to the other: “I think we need a bigger truck.”
nk (3514ca) — 9/12/2023 @ 9:00 amMcCarthy proposes impeachment inquiry, Clown Caucus still not satisfied.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/12/2023 @ 9:45 am@279
A welcome effort that would give the committees subpoena powers.
But, it definitely looks like GOP is slow walking this.
whembly (840a86) — 9/12/2023 @ 9:47 amSomething changed…
“If we move forward with an impeachment inquiry, it would occur through a vote on the floor of the People’s House and not through a declaration by one person.”
–Kevin McCarthy, 11 days ago
“I am directing our house committee to open a formal impeachment inquiry into president Joe Biden.”
–Kevin McCarthy, this morning
…I’m guessing it was McCarthy’s fear of a Scaramucci-length career as Speaker.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/12/2023 @ 10:12 amRip (#268):
I still fear removal. I remember a phrase about “Justice delayed is justice denied”.
Removal throws more delay into the process. I am also concerned the RICO gets split between Georgia and Federal courts (fake electors and state people would likely remain in Georgia).
The one thing that some of the never-never-Trump people get right is that it has taken way too long to get this to the indictment phase. The 1-6 charges should have been brought in 2022 or even late in 2021.
Appalled (ec364d) — 9/12/2023 @ 10:16 amI disagree the GOP is slow walking Biden’s impeachment (and that’s how the inquiry will end, no doubt about it). They want to impeach him at the height of the presidential campaign.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/12/2023 @ 10:58 amRemoval to the federal courts doesn’t change what laws will be used. Trump, et. al. will still be prosecuted under Georgia’s RICO statute.
From the source linked in post 268:
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/12/2023 @ 11:02 amMore:
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/12/2023 @ 11:06 amMorning Consult Republican Primary Tracking Poll 9/12/23
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/12/2023 @ 11:20 amRip,
The RICO indictment does not just include the idiots around Trump who held federal office. It contains a multitude of state GOP fake electors and kraken-brained outsiders, like Sidney Powell, who held no federal office. IANL — but I would like to hear from one how the Futon County case doesn’t end up being split in 2, because some people get removed and some do not.
Appalled (ec364d) — 9/12/2023 @ 11:35 amThat may be, but all will be prosecuted under Georgia law.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/12/2023 @ 12:27 pmIt ends up being split into at least two parts, but not because of removal to federal court (just the court and maybe rules would be is different, not the law or prosecutor) but because Kenneth Chesebro and Sidney Powell have requested a speedy trial, as is there absolute right under Georgia law, and Trump and many others are going to have motions in court that will prevent their trials starting on October 23. Sidney Powell has also requested severance from Chesebro.
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 9/12/2023 @ 1:45 pmPaul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/12/2023 @ 8:15 am
I think aa president could more legitimately se OSHA to declare unsafe any place of employment within 600 yards, say, of recent shootings.
What’s going on here is the characterization of violent crime as a public health concern. I assume on the grounds that shooting victims get treated at hospitals.
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 9/12/2023 @ 1:51 pmEvery time I hear or read Chesboro, I think of Cheetos.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/12/2023 @ 2:03 pmLOL!
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/12/2023 @ 2:05 pmI think of Wisconsin and cheese.. He’s a cheese brother. You know, like Blues Brother.
He actually went to the Capitol to document Alex Jones telling people not to attack the police and instead go to another location where they would be able to listen to Trump speak.
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 9/12/2023 @ 2:07 pm294
I don’t know if that’s all does.
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 9/12/2023 @ 2:12 pmBreaking: New Mexico Attorney General (D) refuses to defend Governor’s order suspending 2nd Amendment.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/12/2023 @ 3:44 pmSo far the following Bernalillo Country officials have refused to enforce the governor’s order targeting Bernalillo County:
Bernalillo County Sheriff John Allen
ABQ Police Chief Harold Medina
Bernalillo County DA Sam Bregman
ABQ Mayor Tim Keller
NM State Attorney General Raul Torrez
All are Democrats.
The State AG has written a letter (PDF image) to the Governor, announcing that his office will not defend her in the lawsuits filed challenging her emergency Health Order.
https://gazette.com/news/wex/new-mexico-ag-raul-torrez-refuses-to-defend-gov-lujan-grisham-in-gun-carry-suspension/article_4eb0f38d-8b11-5c93-8f3b-21ebeeb575a5.html
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/12/2023 @ 3:55 pmHe said no to a lady? He is no gentleman.
nk (c97f19) — 9/12/2023 @ 4:13 pmBummer:
Given Rodgers’ age it’s likely that he’s taken the final snap of his career. He’s guaranteed $75 million of his current contract through 2024 out of $112 million, unless he retires.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/12/2023 @ 5:02 pmI wish, but it’ll never happen.
lurker (cd7cd4) — 9/12/2023 @ 10:58 pmMeanwhile, California “complies” with Bruen by restricting concealed carry to almost nowhere, while making the permitting process much harder in those counties that were previously “shall-issue.”
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-09-12/california-democrats-concealed-carry-senate-bill-2-anthony-portantino-gavin-newsom-bruen-supreme-court-guns
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/12/2023 @ 11:21 pm18 USC 241 (Conspiracy Against Rights) should get wider play than just going after Donald Trump.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/12/2023 @ 11:23 pm@303 There are no rights only privileges. The privilege for a minority to own an assault gun is out weighed by the majority’s privilege to not have their school children shot. As napoleon said god is on the side of the heaviest artillery. He who wants all gets nothing. Gun nuts should be supporting reasonable gun control laws instead of riding around in pick up trucks with I will give up my gun when they take it from my cold dead hand bumper stickers. The supreme court can be changed at any time as can the federal system that gives a white minority power over larger populated states. The next democrat wont be a corrupt senile doofus like biden ;but someone who who will make lujan look like a moderate. The corporate deep state protects conservatives from the democrat party as they know their turn would be next ;but their time is running out. If you really believed you had rights you wouldn’t need to own a gun. Make a deal with the gun grabbers while you still can!
asset (7c4770) — 9/13/2023 @ 2:19 amasset (7c4770) — 9/13/2023 @ 2:19 am
Get rid of the communists and those who are race baiting and we’d have a much safer society. You first.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 9/13/2023 @ 4:50 am@282 if they’re slow walking it, why?
Time123 (15a94d) — 9/13/2023 @ 5:54 amNJRob, it’s odd to see someone that claims to be a populist so afraid of communists. Your economic policy preferences and theirs aren’t so far off.
In the 2016 primary Warrens economic plans looked very similar to trumps when it came to trade and economic investment.
Time123 (15a94d) — 9/13/2023 @ 5:56 amI wish, too. Ignatius is right today, lurker, just like Will was right ten months ago.
I don’t know if I said it here or somewhere else, but the issue is less about Biden’s age and more about his replacement, because chances are good that the replacement will be POTUS in his 2nd term if he wins.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/13/2023 @ 6:08 amMs. Harris will never be ready for primetime, and she’s not a leader. If she has the character to put the good of the country above her personal ambition, she’ll announce that she won’t be Biden’s running mate so that Biden can pick someone capable. If he picked Michelle Obama, he’d win in a landslide.
I never claimed to be a populist Time. You again put words in my mouth.
I’m a conservative. Social conservatives that you hate so much because you refuse to acknowledge your social leftism creates the fuel for leftist economic policies. Or maybe you do know that and are just getting your jollies.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 9/13/2023 @ 6:30 am@306
I can think of two…
1) Whether it’s deliberate or not, they’re purposely moving slowly to show they’re taking this inquiry seriously. The end result, is that this issue isn’t going away and will hound the Biden administration.
2) McCarthy wants to pass any budget and thinks this inquiry will give him cover to pass “bad” budgets, thinking that the hardliners would rather have an active impeachment process than the government shutting down.
whembly (5f7596) — 9/13/2023 @ 7:05 amthose make sense. Could also be timing the hearings to have the most impact on the election. I assume that if they felt they had compelling evidence they’d move very quickly.
Time123 (15a94d) — 9/13/2023 @ 7:10 amBecause they don’t have a case for impeaching Biden. They are doing it only because Trump has been pressuring them to. For spite and retaliation.
nk (29f376) — 9/13/2023 @ 7:11 amMcCarthy might as well be a hangnail on Trump’s pinky. He has no volition of his own.
nk (29f376) — 9/13/2023 @ 7:15 amNJRob, I don’t hate social conservatives. I’m a church going married man with 4 school aged children in youth sports. I spend what free time I have on shooting sports, camping, and off road vehicles with my kids.
My family includes veterans, LEO, ppl who donate time to GOP candidates and one person who worked for a GOP elected official for 8 years.
Many of the ppl I interact with in real life are social conservatives. Many of my views are correctly categorized as socially conservative. (Views around gun rights, limited government, rule of law, education, & regulation for instance)
You’re just so warped by partisanship you can’t see it and view anyone that doesn’t perfectly align with you as a communist enemy.
Time123 (15a94d) — 9/13/2023 @ 7:27 amWhat executive experience does Michelle Obama have that makes her “capable?”
BuDuh (6e812b) — 9/13/2023 @ 7:41 amOne, eight years in the White House. Seems like a few things would’ve rubbed off during that time.
Two, leadership, a trait Harris don’t have.
Three, a spousal advisor who has some pretty solid experience.
BTW, this is an assessment, not an endorsement. I’m not voting for Joe, regardless of who’s on the ticket, unless maybe he picks a Republican for a running mate.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/13/2023 @ 7:48 amThe NM emergency gun ban got me to thinking about the second amendment and our societal preoccupation with guns generally.
I wonder a bit about concealed carry and even more about open carry. Personally, I struggle to think of a situation (over decades) where I might say, man I wish I was packing. Especially looking back to my younger more foolish days, I see things playing out more in Rittenhouse fashion or with unneeded escalation. Now I completely understand that people who must travel through, work, or live in high-crime areas…where muggings, jackings, and assaults are common….I am totally in favor of a liberal (classical) allowance of concealed carry. A 110lb woman coming home late at night on the bus shouldn’t fear for her life…and though it’s no guarantee that a confrontation may go well, this is at the crux of self defense. I want that individual trained at handling the weapon, understand the laws involved when she pulls it out and uses it, and understands all of her options to resolve the conflict.
But generally, why carry if the likelihood of encountering crime is so low? Now you might argue, there’s no harm and in the 1:1,000,000 chance something does happen, better ready than crouching and hoping law enforcement arrives expeditiously. I get that, but it is also possible that given an average person’s lack of regular training and inexperience with correctly navigating volatile situations, the odds of a good outcome are sketchy. Gun fights are rarely clean and even good guy’s bullets can go through unintended walls.
I get fear. People who have been mugged don’t want to feel defenseless ever again. Even if it’s still likely that a mugger could get the drop on them, there’s a psychological benefit to having a chance. But as a society are we correctly calibrating the odds. Are we letting our imaginations drive our better judgment. More guns means more guns that law enforcement must navigate and discriminate between. Are we helping…or do we only think we’re helping?
AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 9/13/2023 @ 7:55 amWhen the state I lived in went to “shall issue” a lot of my friends got permits and started carrying just because.
It didn’t last long.
Even small handguns are sort of heavy and bulky and annoying to tote around for no reason. Plus there’s the list of places you can’t take them and leaving them in the car isn’t ideal.
Only people I know who still Cary do so because they get paid in cash sometimes and have a legitimate concern about crime. AFAIK none of them have had to draw their weapon. (Thankfully)
But you’re right that there’s a valid need for self defense.
There are policy solutions that would reduce gun violence, but it’s a culture war issue that’s demagogued by both sides so I see little hope for improvement.
Time123 (15a94d) — 9/13/2023 @ 8:02 amWhat “policy solution” would prevent this?
BuDuh (4214e4) — 9/13/2023 @ 8:21 amThanks, Paul. I am relieved that you are not endorsing an Obama/Biden/Obama ticket. I do think you are mistaken on Michelle being a winning choice due to her capabilities, of which I think she has far less than you describe.
She is a winning choice for the same reason 81 million people voted for Kamala Harris.
BuDuh (4214e4) — 9/13/2023 @ 8:24 am3) So the impeachment vote will occur in the middle of the general election campaign.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/13/2023 @ 8:45 amDid you or did you not support shutting down churches by state mandate due to the same type of nonsense New Mexico’s dictator is doing now?
Are you pro-abortion, directly contrary to Christ’s teachings?
Do you believe the government must mandate homosexual indoctrination in schools, permit it if the teacher desires, or should they focus on reading, writing and arithmetic?
Do you believe that boys are boys and girls are girls or are they “gender-fluid?”
Do you believe drug use is harmful and mass drug use breaks down society?
Do you believe there are illegal aliens or are they just “undocumented Americans?”
Is Christ the Son of God, who sacrificed himself and died on the cross for our sins only to rise again and ascend to Heaven?
NJRob (000ff9) — 9/13/2023 @ 8:50 amGavin Newsom said on MTP that if Feinstein left her Senate seat early, he would make an “interim” appointment to fill the seat, which pissed off Barbara Lee to no end.
Since there is no residency requirement for US Senators, I could see Michelle Obama being picked.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/13/2023 @ 8:51 amFWIW:
Footnotes omitted.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/13/2023 @ 8:56 amDid you or did you not support shutting down churches by state mandate due to the same type of nonsense New Mexico’s dictator is doing now?
I did not. I supported non-discriminatory bans on public gatherings that included Churches.
Are you pro-abortion, directly contrary to Christ’s teachings?
I am not pro-abortion. I do not believe that life begins at the moment of conception or that Barrier contraception is a sin.
Do you believe the government must mandate homosexual indoctrination in schools, permit it if the teacher desires, or should they focus on reading, writing and arithmetic?
I do no believe the government must mandate homosexual indoctrination.
Do you believe that boys are boys and girls are girls or are they “gender-fluid?”
I think the evidence is clear that some small percentage of the population is more comfortable living as a gender that doesn’t match their biology. Which doesn’t impact me in the least.
Do you believe drug use is harmful and mass drug use breaks down society?
Yes. Especially alcohol. But I still like a nice cocktail from time to time.
Do you believe there are illegal aliens or are they just “undocumented Americans?”
Illegal aliens. But I don’t hate them the way you seem to. Nor do I think your policy preferences will accomplish anything in this area.
Is Christ the Son of God, who sacrificed himself and died on the cross for our sins only to rise again and ascend to Heaven?
Yes.
Time123 (60f113) — 9/13/2023 @ 9:02 amhttps://nypost.com/2023/09/12/cia-tried-to-pay-off-analysts-to-bury-covid-lab-leak-findings-whistleblower/
Goebbels level propaganda from our government.
NJRob (000ff9) — 9/13/2023 @ 9:11 amWell you have your reasons to vote for her, Rip.
Always quick with the Dem defense. 👍
Or…. was this just you being the helpful librarian that has no real opinion? That is always a clever ruse.
Tell me, does the set of accomplishments you posted make you consider Michelle Obama capable of leading the free world?
BuDuh (4214e4) — 9/13/2023 @ 9:17 amhttps://www.aier.org/article/child-speech-issues-are-at-historic-highs-in-the-united-kingdom-a-new-report-found-and-we-all-know-why/
NJRob (000ff9) — 9/13/2023 @ 9:19 amJust being the librarian. 😊
I do have a real opinion about Michelle Obama, and that is that she won’t be a candidate for anything. She has explicitly said she is not interested in national politics, and Democrats who think she would be great candidate are wishcasting as much as Republicans seeking an alternative to Donald Trump.
But then again there was nothing in Trump’s background prior to 2016 that suggested he was capable of leading the free world.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/13/2023 @ 9:29 amThere’s nothing in his background now to suggest that.
Time123 (60f113) — 9/13/2023 @ 10:12 amMore on the NM gun case(s):
https://sourcenm.com/2023/09/13/new-mexico-ag-grants-limited-authority-to-attorneys-defending-public-health-order/
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/13/2023 @ 10:38 amBiden drops dead or has a stroke and the field will suddenly get wide open. Harris would be challenged and likely eclipsed.
AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 9/13/2023 @ 10:38 amI wish, but it’ll never happen.
He could pick New Mexico’s Michelle Lujan Grisham. She’s Hispanic. Or maybe “Hispanic.” And maybe she could help with Hunter’s gun issues.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/13/2023 @ 10:40 amBTW, the Ukrainian missile strike on a Sevastopol shipyard damaged or destroyed a KILO-class submarine (the kind that fires Kalibr missiles into Ukraine) and a landing ship. Good news for the Ukrainian freedom fighters.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/13/2023 @ 10:42 amA word to Grassley, McConnell, Feinstein and the rest of the Congressional gerontocracy: Be like Mitt.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/13/2023 @ 10:50 amPersonally, I struggle to think of a situation (over decades) where I might say, man I wish I was packing.
And RIGHT THERE, you fail. It’s not about you. It’s also not about people who live in well-policed, safe areas, who don’t work at night, who aren’t women, or who don’t have jobs that puts them in contact with random strangers while alone.
Examples: Cab drivers, Uber drivers, tow truck drivers (especially repo). Mom & pop store owners going to or from the bank, late-shift employees, cocktail waitresses, people working in dodgy areas. Not to mention people living in dodgy areas. Or, in places like New Mexico, places where the nearest cop is an hour away and you are your own first (perhaps only) responder. See any episode of Dark Winds.
The fatal conceit here is this: “If there were no guns, we’d all be safe.” There are so many guns in America that this is a fanciful argument to begin with, but even in places where there aren’t supposed to be guns (e.g. NYC for the last 100 years) there are guns, and no one rally tries to fix that.
We have laws that we don’t enforce. Hunter Biden and everyone who lies like he did should do 5-10 in the slammer. But, we are told, that never happens. There is the failure, and taking guns away from people who don’t lie, rob or do drugs won’t fix it.
CCW holders are about an order of magnitude less likely to shoot someone by mistake than a cop is, probably because the cops are given a lot more latitude that private citizens are, and are largely immune to civil suits.
One of the sicker gun-free rules there are involve late-night businesses like 7-11 that require their employees to be unarmed. This is not to prevent the employees from getting killed in a gunfight, but to prevent the corporation from ever being sued over someone getting shot (the employees have already signed away their rights). Dead employees are not a huge cost to 7-11, Inc.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/13/2023 @ 11:00 am@312
Let’s go to the tape on the evidence the “Democrats” gathered to launch impeachments against Trump.
Impeachment 1: A phone call – impeachment was for “abuse of power”, that is debatable. Not clear cut.
Impeachment 2: A typical political speech – the actual article of impeachment used here was for political purpose to give Democrats a useful cudgel, rather than focusing on Trump’s behavior during J6. I’m on record that Trump didn’t do enough, when it was needed on J6… that is more than enough to impeach/convict on J7.
Now, let’s go to the evidence for the GOP’s “impeachment inquiry” into Biden.
Bank records, shell companies, FBI testimony from a “trustworthy” witness, two IRS whistleblowers’ testimony, witness testimony from business partners, mobile texts, laptop documents, White House visitor logs, Air Force 2 travel logs, copying Hunter on official emails, hundreds of Burisma emails, Joe Biden using at least three known pseudonyms on emails, documentation that Hunter Biden’s sole purpose for his $83,000/month board position was to take the heat off of Burisma, the evidence that Biden was responsible for pushing to fire the Ukrainian prosecutor, Joe openly bragging about it being his idea for the ‘quid pro quo’ threat to fire the prosecutor, Joe taking along a Burisma associate on his trip to Ukraine to ask for firing the prosecutor…
But, sure nk, they don’t have a case.
whembly (5f7596) — 9/13/2023 @ 11:27 amThis impeachment inquiry is over the wrong thing. Senility should be impeachable; relying on the 25th Amendment isn’t likely, as we saw with Donald Trump.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/13/2023 @ 11:28 am@338 Senility should be impeachable but it’s due to no fault of Biden. So, until he gets to the point where his administration feels to invoke the 25th Amendment, I don’t think Congress wants to go there.
At least with the impeachment inquiry, they ought to be policies and/or behaviors that meet that “he dun f’ed up” standards.
I just wished the inquiry would also investigation:
1) The Afghanistan withdrawal
2) Biden’s plan to forgive student loans
3) Biden’s rent mortatorium
4) Southern border fiasco
All of which are so far beyond merely “policy differences”.
All of which, are purposeful acts to unfaithfully execute the laws.
whembly (5f7596) — 9/13/2023 @ 11:38 am“And RIGHT THERE, you fail.”
Doesn’t seem like you made it through my comment.
AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 9/13/2023 @ 12:34 pmRFK Jr has written aan op-ed in the WSJ about how the DNC has rigged the rules to renominate Joe Biden.
, No debates, and South Carolina comes first and winner of NH could get no delegates, wat to make changes in Iowa and Georgia moving to disqualify from ballot any DEM who takes part in NH
Sammy Finkelman (a99e03) — 9/13/2023 @ 12:38 pmNYP and Sean Hannity keep on repeating as fact that Joe Bidenfired the prosecutor
Sammy Finkelman (a99e03) — 9/13/2023 @ 12:39 pm(leveraged $` biliion – except he maade the whole story up)
Sammy Finkelman (a99e03) — 9/13/2023 @ 12:41 pmWhembly, you know that getting rid of shokin was US policy?
Time123 (f96738) — 9/13/2023 @ 12:44 pmDoesn’t seem like you made it through my comment.
Oh, I did. You started off with “all about me”, then went to the futility of self-defense and finished with treating people’s fears are irrational.
The problem is, of course, that incidents of self-defense, especially the warning-off kind, don’t make the papers. Only when bad guys start shooting does it make the press.
You never hear about the young woman approached late at night who shows her PX4 Carry to the would-be rapist and sees him back off. Which is why she carries it, not to shoot someone. And she might not do that more than once every 5 years, but still it’s important that she can.
Of course, in California a cocktail waitress will no longer be able to have a gun in her purse for those trips late at night to the bus stop, even with her existing carry permit. Not on public transport, not in bars or restaurants, and probably not near them either. She’s SOL and the rapists know that now.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/13/2023 @ 12:50 pm@340
Are we helping…or do we only think we’re helping?
AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 9/13/2023 @ 12:34 pm
I think that’s the wrong thread to pull.
I think this country, this culture, is refusing to acknowledge very basic premise… such as:
1) Police cannot and are not able to protect you.
2) Evil people will always do evil things.
3) The basis of city violences are almost always ignored.
4) 2nd Amendment is a right, not a privilege. Far too often the gun control advocates are arguing from position of the latter rather than the former.
So to answer your question “Are we helping?”.
My response to that, honestly is this: Who’s “we”?
And franky, as a 2nd Amendment advocate I’m tired of my opponents ignoring the above premise.
Just tell us what you’re really advocating for…
whembly (5f7596) — 9/13/2023 @ 1:05 pmThat’s right.
Possession of bank records, for example, isn’t evidence of a crime by Joe, it’s what’s in those records, and no one has produced a transaction in those statements that indicates or shows that bribes occurred.
Traditionally, every impeachment since Nixon has involved abuse of power, and I haven’t seen evidence of Joe doing that either. Yes, he crossed a Constitutional line on student loans, for example, but every president has overreached Constitutionally, Trump included.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/13/2023 @ 1:07 pmAnd since I’m a traditional conservative, an article of impeachment on policy differences doesn’t cut it for me, because that would set a new and poor precedent, only making it easier to impeach presidents down the road, for more blatantly political reasons.
Shocking!
BTW, when was the last time an incumbent President debated his primary opponents?
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/13/2023 @ 1:09 pm@344
And?
Are you implying that Joe Biden, via his VP role, could NOT have instructed the States Department from adopting such policy?
And, you do know, that several veteran State’s departments were alarmed by the mere fact that Hunter Biden was on the board at Burisma?
whembly (5f7596) — 9/13/2023 @ 1:10 pmOn 1/2/2021, Mitt sent this prescient text to Mitch McConnell, which the Senate Majority Leader never answered.
If Pelosi is to be blamed for not doing enough on J6, then McConnell shares that blame because their Sergeants-at-Arms are both on the Capitol Police Board as equal members.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/13/2023 @ 1:12 pmBiden and US diplomats were acting on behalf of the president. Biden didn’t just make it up. It was US policy.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/13/2023 @ 1:15 pm@347
There’s more than enough evidence to thoroughly investigate the Bidens. That’s what this impeachment inquiry.
Does it meet some threshold to impeach Biden? Well… you have your opinion and I have mine.
My argument of others, namely Afganistan withdrawal, border and Student Loans stuff are so beyond the pale of “policy differences” that it should be on the table.
Meaning, it’s not the standard political squabbles over policy. These were overt act that Biden either KNEW was unconstitutional and/or KNEW would cost lives in the most embarrassing manner that was solely done for his own political rationale, that it SHOULD be a basis for impeachment to signal future President not to be this absurdly blatant.
whembly (5f7596) — 9/13/2023 @ 1:19 pmI would add the prisoner exchanges with Russia and Iran.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/13/2023 @ 1:21 pm@350
I don’t think McConnell, via his Sergeant-at-Arms, could override the Speaker of the House though, as Congressional security was her responsibility.
whembly (5f7596) — 9/13/2023 @ 1:21 pmComer: “Ah’m tellin’ ya, we got bank records!”
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/13/2023 @ 1:22 pmReporter: “Sir, what’s in those records that shows a crime was committed?”
Comer: “Ah’m tellin’ ya, we got bank records!”
@353
Absolutely.
@thread, remember, impeachment need not be ONE thing. Yes, some administration can get things wrong and probably deserves some grace. But the totality of Biden’s behaviors could be used against him.
whembly (5f7596) — 9/13/2023 @ 1:23 pmNo, it’s not. The three members of the Capitol Police Board are the respective Sergeants-at-Arms, and the Capitol Architect (who’s appointed by the president). The police chief is on the board as a non-voting member. Chairmanship alternates annually between the Sergeants-at-Arms. Pelosi had no more responsibility for the board than McConnell.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/13/2023 @ 1:29 pmState department officials should have been alarmed that the VPs son was in the board of a corrupt company.
I’m not implying anything.
The testimony gave not just the policy but the reasons for it. Here’s a decent summary that links to supporting articles from before this became a political issue to give background on why that was good policy. (Google the diamond prosecutors if you want even more fun)
Bottom line is that there’s a lot of evidence that Shokin was fired as part of US anti-corruption policy and was also desired by our Allies.
You’re free to assert that’s a cover for Biden to help his son get paid, but that needs to be supported by something that would outweigh sworn testimony to Congress.
Seems like the State department under Pompeo (who was highly competent) would have been well incentivized to provide evidence that firing Shokin wasn’t good policy back when Trump was extorting Ukriane to announce an investigation of Joe Biden.
Time123 (32f8e5) — 9/13/2023 @ 1:31 pmhttps://freebeacon.com/latest-news/watch-elizabeth-warren-praises-new-mexicos-unconstitutional-gun-carry-ban/
Just goes to show you what this witch would do, given the chance.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/13/2023 @ 1:31 pmFact Check-Capitol Hill Security:
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/13/2023 @ 1:32 pmWhembly, Biden and Trump shared the same bad policy on Afghanistan. Biden continued with the withdrawal that Trump started. I think Biden did a poor job of it, but I don’t think being bad at doing something hard is impeachable. Not sure how you think this one is impeachment worthy.
Time123 (32f8e5) — 9/13/2023 @ 1:35 pmI’ll add that while I think the withdrawal wasn’t good policy I recognize that that is a policy disagreement and not a something more sinister.
Time123 (32f8e5) — 9/13/2023 @ 1:36 pm@355
Paul: “there’s no evidence, stop looking you mooks!”
whembly (5f7596) — 9/13/2023 @ 1:39 pmRational mind: “you cannot ignore the evidence and stipulate that there’s nothing worth investigating”
Paul: “how dare you sir! you knave!”
Rational mind: “so I guess you have zero interest in a possible compromised and corrupt Presidency, so why are we talking?”
@360 Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/13/2023 @ 1:32 pm
I’m not seeing where it was McConnell’s Sargent at Arms who denied it.
Sunds is on record that even in the heat of the riot of J6, he was denied resources by someone above him.
We still don’t know who made that decision.
whembly (5f7596) — 9/13/2023 @ 1:43 pm@358
We have multiple evidence that this, indeed, has happened.
Even contemporary emails with Hunter/Associate asserting that his company were either lying to his customers that he could influence Ukraine policies via his “Brand™”, or that he actually was able to influence US-Ukraine policies.
The fact that Shokin was fired *is* a red flag, and you cannot simply state “this was US policy at the time” because VP Joe Biden was the US point person of the US-Ukraine policies. If VP Joe Biden was *the guy* that everyone has to listen to, then using “it was US policy at the time” really should be renamed as “it was VP Joe Biden’s policy at the time”.
whembly (5f7596) — 9/13/2023 @ 1:48 pmMore on Capitol Hill Security:
Footnotes removed. Paragraph breaks added. Emphasis my own.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/13/2023 @ 1:53 pmActually we do. See my post above at 1:53.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/13/2023 @ 1:55 pm@361
But Trump!
As if, that gives Biden a F’n mulligan on this one?
Fact is, Trump didn’t do it. Biden did, and impeachment CAN be something over that, as he purposely put US military personnel and citizens in severe peril, where lives were lost for a purely political rationale. That’s prima facie case for impeachment, and a strong one.
whembly (5f7596) — 9/13/2023 @ 2:01 pm@367
That document is a lot of CYA.
But I was talking about during the riot, when Sunds was calling everyone/anyone for additional resources and he was stonewalled.
That’s what I was referring to when I said “we don’t really know who said no” during the initial hours of the riot.
whembly (5f7596) — 9/13/2023 @ 2:05 pmBut if you want to say McConnell shares some responsibility, I’m on board with too.
whembly (5f7596) — 9/13/2023 @ 2:06 pmFederal judge temporarily blocks New Mexico governor’s gun order
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/13/2023 @ 2:20 pmMore here on Romney, from his biographer. This part caught my eye.
If that $5,000/day number is accurate, then he’s paid around $4.8 million out of pocket for his and his family’s personal security. That’s a real price tag for consistently and vocally opposing the unhinged malignant narcissist who is our GOP frontrunner.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/13/2023 @ 2:31 pmI never said or implied “stop looking”, whembly. Not honest.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/13/2023 @ 2:38 pmSund had no authority to call for additional resources. That was up to the Capitol Police Board.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/13/2023 @ 3:02 pmWhembly I don’t think anyone here loves Biden (Nic maybe???). Everyone is fine with him being removed from the presidency if he’s, say, shown to have sacrificed US interests to help his son or done so to enrich himself.
So we’re open to hearing evidence that he has done so. For instance, when Devin Archer was trumpeted as being a witness to Biden’s involvement, I read the entirety of the deposition transcript. And my takeaway was “Oh there’s absolutely nothing there.” I think no one could read that honestly and have a different response. And when I read the House Republican’s summary of what he said and it’s incredibly misleading and gives impressions that are the opposite of what was said, I think “oh this is just for politics, they aren’t actually trying to find out anything about Joe Biden.”
Similarly when you say Biden should be impeached for not reversing Trump’s plan to withdraw from Afghanistan (I never once saw you call for Trump to be impeached when he announced the plan) it feels like motivated reasoning.
Nate (30f36d) — 9/13/2023 @ 3:02 pmWhembly, my point was not “but trump” my point was that the Afg withdrawal /was/ a policy decision and one that Biden shared with the previous administration. How do you view that as impeachable?
Time123 (5a03e5) — 9/13/2023 @ 3:23 pmWhembly, I’ve provided sworn testimony that removing Shokin was us policy to fight corruption and links to news articles from that time that corroborated that Shokin was viewed as corrupt by our Allies which support the assertion that we removed him for policy reasons.
If you have evidence that it was done for corrupt reasons you haven’t provided it.
Archer’s testimony was that Shokin wasn’t someone Burisma was worried about at the time.
Here’s another article about Shokin from 2019 by the right leaning examiner. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/cache-of-diamonds-trump-biden-impeachment-fight-originates-with-corrupt-chauffeur
Time123 (5a03e5) — 9/13/2023 @ 3:33 pm@nate@375 I think he’s better than the current alternative but I don’t think he’s particularly impressive either. My preference would be that he doesn’t run again.
Nic (896fdf) — 9/13/2023 @ 3:59 pmNinth Circuit rules against California ban on gun ads aimed at minors
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A three-judge panel of the federal appellate court on Wednesday overruled a lower court judge who last year had declined to issue a preliminary injunction against enforcement of the statute in a lawsuit brought by Junior Sports Magazine and Second Amendment advocates.
Since California allows youngsters to use firearms under adult supervision, such as for hunting and target practice, the case was about whether the state can ban a truthful advertisement about firearms used legally by adults and minors only because the ad “reasonably appears to be attractive to minors,” U.S. Circuit Judge Kenneth Lee, a Donald Trump appointee, wrote.
But the First Amendment only allows states to ban truthful and lawful advertising if it materially and directly advances a substantial government interest, such as reducing gun violence, and is no more extensive than necessary, according to Lee. The California law fails in this regard, the panel ruled, because the state hasn’t provided any evidence how a ban against, for example, ads for hunting riffles in the magazine Junior Shooter, would reduce gun violence.
“Simply put, California cannot lean on gossamers of speculation to weave an evidence-free narrative that its law curbing the First Amendment ‘significantly’ decreases unlawful gun use among minors,” Lee wrote for the panel. “The First Amendment demands more than good intentions and wishful thinking to warrant the government’s muzzling of speech.”
In addition, Lee said the California law was too broad because it would also ban firearm ads aimed at adults just because they might be appealing to children as well.
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“When the text is peeled back, the legislative record indicates an intention that the law will stop the message that minors should lawfully use firearms, and a hope that the law will prevent minors from eventually becoming adults who have a favorable view of gun ownership and use,” (U.S. Circuit Judge Lawrence Van Dyke, also a Trump appointee) said.
The First Amendment almost universally “forbids” laws that restrict speech on the basis of viewpoint, he said.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/13/2023 @ 4:09 pm………
Sorry for the lack of blockquotes.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/13/2023 @ 4:10 pmGov. Grisham’s unconstitutional order on firearms slapped down as unconstitutional. Good call, done quickly.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/13/2023 @ 4:20 pmNobody’s fooling nobody.
Trump’s finger puppets in the House don’t work for America. They work for Trump.
They have an affirmative duty to say and do things that make Trump happy. Otherwise they’re RINOs and “milktoasts” (it’s actually spelled milquetoast).
Not making Trump happy every hour of the day, every day of the week, is not an option. No more than a court jester not being entertaining is an option.
When they grow a spine to replace Trump’s fingers up their nether orifices, then I’ll grant them some credibility. Until then, they’re each a Rudy Giuliani or Sidney Powell to me.
nk (820acb) — 9/13/2023 @ 4:33 pmIf anybody is better than Trump then line up behind Nikki Haley.
1) She’s anybody
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/13/2023 @ 5:20 pm2) She’s better than Biden.
3) And 49.5 points behind Donald Trump nationally, and 35.7 points behind in South Carolina (in third place).
Comedy Gold!
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/13/2023 @ 5:55 pm4) And 40.5 points (sixth place, behind Doug Burgum) behind Trump in New Hampshire.
5) And 39 points (fourth place) in Iowa.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/13/2023 @ 5:58 pmThis election is like the Monty Python “Spam” skit.
nk (ddb327) — 9/13/2023 @ 6:20 pmGov. Grisham’s unconstitutional order on firearms slapped down as unconstitutional. Good call, done quickly.
That’s only until it goes to a full hearing on October 3, and it’s not entirely out of the question that the Biden-appointed judge might allow the governor to place some questionable restrictions on Second Amendment rights via emergency powers, provided that they fall short of an outright ban. It’s heartening that the judge in this case went ahead with the injunction, but it’s not time to pop those corks just yet.
JVW (1ad43e) — 9/13/2023 @ 6:57 pmAs I keep saying there is no 2nd amendment protection for voting against gun safety. Every time children get killed in school shooting arrest all the politicians who voted against gun safety for being terrorists and accessory to murder. Have the dead children’s parents the jurors as by that time the 6 rethugs on the supreme court will have been impeached.
asset (eea168) — 9/13/2023 @ 7:09 pmEvery time children get killed in school shooting arrest all the politicians who voted against gun safety for being terrorists and accessory to murder.
Works the same way every time an illegal immigrant commits a murder too, right asset?
JVW (1ad43e) — 9/13/2023 @ 9:41 pm@389 Democrat are trying to help children. Republicans are trying to help shoot children. Thats what guns are for shooting children. What else can a gun do other then shoot?
asset (8e6123) — 9/14/2023 @ 2:52 amJVW & asset, complex problems don’t have solutions they have trade offs. One of the reasons our political discourse is so bad is that we’ve all gotten good at taking the trade off and asserting that anyone who thinks it’s acceptable or the “lesser evil” of their policy preference is actually seeking that at their primary outcome and is a horrible person. It’s great for fundraising but not much else.
JVW made the same point with his comment but I wanted to spell out why this approach is bad.
Time123 (fddcce) — 9/14/2023 @ 6:00 amhttps://nypost.com/2023/09/13/us-incomes-fall-for-third-consecutive-year/
Bidenomics 101.
Add to that extreme inflation and incomes and the middle class are being destroyed. But no mean tweets.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 9/14/2023 @ 7:28 amIt would take 700 additional hours of hearings and votes to work around Tuberville’s blockage, according to the Congressional Research Service. Maybe it’s time to, uh, adjust Senate rules to compensate for the unserious.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/14/2023 @ 7:39 amjudge might allow the governor to place some questionable restrictions on Second Amendment rights via emergency powers, provided that they fall short of an outright ban.
Given the NM Constitution, which explicitly does NOT protect concealed carry (although it bans local legislation even there), I can see an argument that suspending concealed carry permits in an emergency is acceptable, while still allowing open carry. I wonder if there is any such provision in the state CCW law.
Of course, this is probably not an “emergency” either, and the possibility that such a designation is trivially announced to justify any old crap is just as worrisome as the 2A suspension.
Lastly, I suggest that suits also be brought in state court — federal law rests only on Bruen and judges have been gaming that.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/14/2023 @ 8:27 amMaybe it’s time to, uh, adjust Senate rules to compensate for the unserious.
McConnell did that in 2018 to compensate for the Democrat insistence on “full” (70 hours iirc) debate on Trump’s judicial candidates.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/14/2023 @ 8:30 amWhat else can a gun do other then shoot?
It can threaten to shoot, which is how guns are mostly used. Police, for example, do not shoot everyone the point a gun at. Neither do people who are warning off attackers. Most people, even bad people, get the message when they see a gun pointing at them: “back the F off.”
Even when they are used to shoot someone, almost all of the time they are shooting someone who needs shooting, like a would-be rapist.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/14/2023 @ 8:36 amAs I keep saying there is no 2nd amendment protection for voting against gun safety
Others would say there is no first amendment protection advocating government thievery.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/14/2023 @ 8:39 amAnd you are opposed to this? The Senate is supposed to be a deliberative body. What right’s stealing policy would you ratyer them work on?
NJRob (c7dad5) — 9/14/2023 @ 9:10 amYes, because they’re routine appointments. If Tuberville has an objection to any appointee he feels is too woke, then he should take part in deliberating instead of blocking the whole 700. He’s taking a Senatorial sledgehammer to swat a policy bug.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/14/2023 @ 9:21 amThe administration has ordered the military to take unlawful action, spending money against the expressed will of Congress. The question is not why does Tuberville do this, but why does the administration persist in illegal spending?
The Hyde Amendment is to Biden as the Boland Amendment was to Reagan.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/14/2023 @ 9:26 amI cannot find the CRS memo. CNN doesn’t provide a link and other publications only quote CNN’s reporting.
CRS reports are based on what information they were given and those are the assumptions they use to create their conclusions. Too bad CNN didn’t want to make it easy to double check this bombshell.
BuDuh (4214e4) — 9/14/2023 @ 9:28 amIF the administration does not like this, they have two options:
1. Stop what they are doing, or
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/14/2023 @ 9:28 am2. Get Congress to pass a law authorizing the spending.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/juliorosas/2023/09/11/liberal-activist-storm-and-take-over-kevin-mccarthys-office-n2628258
Are these terrorists going to get serious prison time for trying to overthrow our country and obstruct Congress? Are the organizers getting 20 years in prison?
Equal justice and all that.
NJRob (c7dad5) — 9/14/2023 @ 10:21 am@377 Time123 (5a03e5) — 9/13/2023 @ 3:33 pm
Time, I’m super busy so I won’t have time to break down in timely manner those articles you posted. I’ve read them and have… many, many questions.
What I would suggest for you to do, is listen to the last two podcast of Andy McCarthy. (I listen when I’m on the road) He brings it together much more succinctly and points out why this has legs.
whembly (5f7596) — 9/14/2023 @ 10:26 amSenate Consideration of Presidential Nominations: Committee and Floor Procedure
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/14/2023 @ 10:41 amTime123 (5a03e5) — 9/13/2023 @ 3:33 pm
Ukraine came under considerable pressure in March, 2016 to remove Shokin – almost all of his supporters in the Ukrainian Parliament abandoned him
what I don’t know is why a vote was needed – this was not disussed in the one thing I read.
It certainly wasn’t caused by Vice President Biden secretly pushing for Shokin to be removed behind the scenes – to the point of withholding $1 billion in loan guarantees on his own authority, surprising various people (different people in the two accounts) who didn’t think that a vice president had so much power – but nobody wanted to call his bluff.
The position of the New York Post (and presumably some of the Republican caucus in the House, is that the Obama Administration and the Europeans were quite happy with Shokin and only Biden wanted tto get rid of him and the New York Post cites documents (probably selectively) to prove that.
Yes, they are arguing over historical facts that should be easy to establish, Should be.
I
f you have evidence that it was done for corrupt reasons you haven’t provided it.
Archer’s testimony was that Shokin wasn’t someone Burisma was worried about at the time.
Here’s another article about Shokin from 2019 by the right leaning examiner. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/cache-of-diamonds-trump-biden-impeachment-fight-originates-with-corrupt-chauffeur
Sammy Finkelman (394a88) — 9/14/2023 @ 10:41 amThe argument is that Biden’s defenders are lying when they claim that anybody else wanted to get rid of him.
Biden is in a bind because he and the Democrats can’t explain why and how exactly Shokin really got fired because it would mean asserting that Biden lies to the Council on Foreign Relations on January 23, 2018.
Archer’s knowledge of Burisma;s attitude is being questioned.
Sammy Finkelman (394a88) — 9/14/2023 @ 10:47 amSigh.
There are no signs that they broke down doors or threw police shields through windows to get in, or “stormed in”, whatever that means. It’s more likely that they walked in, non-violently, and then started braying obnoxiously in protest, a pointless gesture by the liberal activist wing, most probably done for PR and fundraising. Do I approve of this idiot tactic? No, of course not. Prosecute them to the full extent of the law, but there isn’t much of an extent, from what I can see.
There are no indications that they assaulted Capitol Police or resisted arrest or disrupted a Constitutional proceeding, or disrupted much of anything given that McCarthy wasn’t even there. So yes, equal justice, proportionate to the offense committed.
As they say, there’s no equivalency like a bogus equivalency. I mean, this “storming” of the Capitol was so “serious” that it didn’t turn up in this comment thread until three days after the fact.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/14/2023 @ 10:47 amPaul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/14/2023 @ 10:47 am
Good distinctions, Paul. Unfortunately, people blinded by partisan rage aren’t into making distinctions. It ruins the fervor.
norcal (cf999d) — 9/14/2023 @ 10:54 amCan the CRS quotes from the CNN article be found in your February report, Rip?
BuDuh (4214e4) — 9/14/2023 @ 10:56 amBut no mean tweets.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 9/14/2023 @ 7:28 am
Just when I thought you had soured on Trump
norcal (cf999d) — 9/14/2023 @ 10:57 amThe Hyde Amendment only applies to programs funded by the Labor, Health and Human Services, and Education, and related agencies annual appropriations bills, not the Defense or other departments of the government.
Under 10 U.S.C. § 1093, the DoD is prohibited from paying for abortions, or using DoD facilities to do so:
What Tuberville is objecting to is the DoD policy to pay for the travel of military personnel to other locations for abortions, which is not restricted by 10 U.S.C. § 1093 or the Hyde Amendment. Here is the Office of Legal Counsel’s justification as to why DoD can legally spend the funds.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/14/2023 @ 10:59 amSearch it yourself.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/14/2023 @ 11:00 amI knew you had no idea what you were posting. Just 1st click BS.
Silly.
BuDuh (4214e4) — 9/14/2023 @ 11:05 amThanks. It’s just that Rob has pulled this sh-t before, likening the J6 rioters to a gaggle of screamers and door pounders outside the Kavanaugh hearings.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/14/2023 @ 11:10 amThe latest rioter count is around 1,400 criminally indicted, 400 of them for assault against Capitol Police.
The thedis seems to be that while it wsn’t Biden it wasn’t minly outside pressure – and there may not have been too much – that resulted in Viktor Shokin’s dismissal – but a scandal that got attention.
An article like this almost could only have been written in 2109;
;hokin is now siding with those who blame Biden although saying that he doesn’t know,
Sammy Finkelman (394a88) — 9/14/2023 @ 11:10 amBTW, Hunter indicted on three gun charges, which won’t satisfy the HDS-afflicted.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/14/2023 @ 11:13 amI’m sorry he didn’t get away with zero indictments, Paul. You sound devastated.
BuDuh (4214e4) — 9/14/2023 @ 11:15 amSorry for the flip answer. CRS memos are written in response to specific requests by Representatives or Senators, this particular memo which apparently was released just yesterday hasn’t shown up anywhere online.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/14/2023 @ 11:18 amNot until he is drawn and quartered.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/14/2023 @ 11:22 amCNN says it was written in late August and released Tuesday this week. It was a response to Armed Services Chairman Jack Reed.
I am certain that in some time it will somehow be easily available to the rest of us. My bone of contention is that CNN could have linked their source, printed the entire text, or at least explained why the public has to wait to see it.
It is the main support for their story.
BuDuh (4214e4) — 9/14/2023 @ 11:25 amThe problem is not that Hunter was charged with crimes that are rarely prosecuted, but that they are rarely prosecuted. With any luck that will change now.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/14/2023 @ 11:26 amThere are still some foreign lobbying charges to be dealt with, and of course the tax evasion.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/14/2023 @ 11:28 amNow, would a felony conviction mean that Hunter could not run for President someday? Asking for a friend.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/14/2023 @ 11:29 amwhembly (5f7596) — 9/13/2023 @ 2:01 pm
Biden did not want to admit ir acknowledge even to himself that he was turning Afghanistan over to the Taliban, You can only argue that he put military personnel and citizens in severe peril if you disregard his presumption, backed up by many intelligence estimates, that the Afghan government would hold out for aa sufficient length of time to evacuate everyone he cared about, which did not include any Afghans.
He could have made the withdrawal slower, or abandoned Kabul before Bagram, but that would have, in his eyes, risked an attack on the way out, and Biden did not want any casualties and did not know how long the Taliban would refrain from attacking. Neither did he want to openly abandon an ally. He wanted a decent interval, and thought it was guaranteed. He gambled and lost.
Sammy Finkelman (394a88) — 9/14/2023 @ 11:35 am,
@424
You know Joe Biden will pardon his son, don’t you?
whembly (5f7596) — 9/14/2023 @ 11:35 amYou know Joe Biden will pardon his son, don’t you?
whembly (5f7596) — 9/14/2023 @ 11:35 am
Yes, but not before the 2024 election.
norcal (cf999d) — 9/14/2023 @ 11:40 amhttps://legalinsurrection.com/2023/09/white-house-tells-media-outlets-to-ramp-up-their-scrutiny-of-house-gops-biden-impeachment-inquiry/
It’ll be easy to tell who are the Biden stenographers.
NJRob (c7dad5) — 9/14/2023 @ 11:45 amTerrorists took over the Speaker of the House’s office and Paul is downplaying it.
I’m shocked, Shocked!
NJRob (c7dad5) — 9/14/2023 @ 11:50 amhttps://thedispatch.com/newsletter/boilingfrogs/gone-fishing/
Allahnick with some thoughts on the impeachment inquiry:
By the way, for the next few days both Allahnick and Kevin Williamson can be read for free at The Dispatch.
norcal (cf999d) — 9/14/2023 @ 11:51 amTerrorists
Just when you though a word could not be misused more…
So, should HRT burst in and shoot them all?
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/14/2023 @ 11:53 amHe won’t pardon H. Biden before November 2024; and he will do so only if he:
At most I would expect H. Biden to receive no more than a year in Club Fed as a nonviolent offender. And given that he is “guilty as sin”, I don’t expect there will be trial.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/14/2023 @ 11:53 amDevastated? No, BuhDuh, the gun charge is what I predicted.
As they say, Montagu nailed it.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/14/2023 @ 12:02 pmI think New York Mayor Eric Adams has no executive ability. He thinks everything runs on autopilot, or he can pick a few people he trusts to decide how to handle things,].
This lets him go wrong when things change and business as usual is no good.
Sammy Finkelman (394a88) — 9/14/2023 @ 12:05 pm@427
I honestly think Joe Biden believes it won’t impact his re-election chances if he did.
But, Hunter is going to fight this so his sentencing will be delayed until his appeals are exhausted.
The irony here, is that Hunter’s lawyer may challenge the “he was on drugs” provision of the law as unconstitutional.
whembly (5f7596) — 9/14/2023 @ 12:06 pmI am going to bet that Hunter doesn’t want to delay his tax and foreign agent trials until 2025.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/14/2023 @ 12:06 pm“Downplaying”? No, Rob, just calling it straight, but your hyperpartisan hyperbole never disappoints.
As they say, words have meaning, and these chanting left-wingers didn’t commit “acts dangerous to human life”, no matter how off-key and loud they were. Your personal definitions don’t count.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/14/2023 @ 12:14 pm@436
The cynic in me is that the goal here is to tie up Hunter such that he can’t be subpoenaed to testify in any impeachment effort, and can claim the 5th. It’s not a real effort to hold Hunter accountable.
If it were so, then we’d see the IRS tax stuff, FARA and the likes in the indictment.
whembly (5f7596) — 9/14/2023 @ 12:22 pmOoh…Wiess is using the same case number as the felony Indictment for the Diversion.
Need some legal eagles to explain this.
Doesn’t this mean, now, that Hunter’s lawyers will now move to dismiss, relying on the Diversion Agreement saying these charges are barred by contract?
Seems like it.
So, no, for those wanting to hold Hunter accountable, this isn’t it.
whembly (5f7596) — 9/14/2023 @ 12:28 pmSuddenly words have meaning. Who would’ve believed it. I guess I’ll just have to call them insurrectionists.
NJRob (c7dad5) — 9/14/2023 @ 1:30 pm“Suddenly”? Um, no, you’re lying, because I’ve used the dictionary definitions of words like “insurrection” and “invasion” for awhile, and in a thread where we interacted, and I’ll do it again…
Were those activists violent? No, therefore not an insurrection or insurrectionists, and not terrorists either per the US Code. We’re they obnoxious and did they break the law? Yes, for unlawful entry. This isn’t hard, but you do you.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/14/2023 @ 2:19 pmFTR, I’ve used “words have meaning” or “words mean things” for years, like when I called out a Nazi-adjacent antisemite back in 2018.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/14/2023 @ 2:39 pmThose in the Speaker’s office could be charged with
demonstrating in the Capitol,
disorderly conduct,
being in a restricted building,
and disruptive activity
All misdemeanors.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/14/2023 @ 3:02 pmBreaking: L.A. County D.A. sued over prosecution allegedly sparked by election conspiracy theories
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/14/2023 @ 3:21 pmWho knew that Gascon was a 2020 Truther?
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/14/2023 @ 3:22 pmPatience whembly. The DOJ moves slowly. I expect to see additional charges as this goes on.
Also, I think the gun law he’s charged with is a bad law. But bad laws should be applied evenly.
Hoping to see a FARA charge as well.
Time123 (419e37) — 9/14/2023 @ 3:26 pmAlso, I think the gun law he’s charged with is a bad law. But bad laws should be applied evenly.
Why should drug addicts be allowed to buy guns? Do you also think schizophrenics should be able to buy guns?
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/14/2023 @ 3:31 pmIt seems like NYC` Mayor Adams is wrong about all the migrants being prohibited from working.
https://www.nydailynews.com/2023/09/12/white-house-mayor-adams-nyc-migrants-eligible-work
Well, maybe there’s a case for arguing Congress doesn’t have the right to interfere with intrastate commerce, or to regulate immigration at all, except as a byproduct of foreign commerce and national defense. The constitution only gives to Congress the right to regulate naturalization. People are hallucinating it says immigration but they are two different things..
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 9/14/2023 @ 3:42 pmIt’s official. Kenneth Chesebro and Sidney Powell will be tried early- but not the other defendants. It could be as early as October 23 – on television or streamed
https://www.newser.com/story/340146/in-georgia-case-trump-wont-face-trial-in-october.html
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 9/14/2023 @ 3:47 pmSlaughterhouse, once again:
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/14/2023 @ 3:48 pm@391 I did not accuse JVW of being a horrible person I do not make personal attacks on other posters here. We just disagree.
asset (806e40) — 9/14/2023 @ 4:31 pm@412: A bit pedantic, as the point is the same. Why is it OK for them to spend money enabling abortions when it was not OK to ask others to fund the Contras?
Did you hear the story about the guy who, after a lifetimes work, determined that Homer did not write the Iliad but that it was another Greek of the same period, with the same name?
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/14/2023 @ 5:03 pmThe difference is that the DoD policy is not circumventing US law, as there is nothing in 10 U.S.C. § 1093 that forbids the DoD from providing travel benefits to military personnel to receive abortions using their own funds.
The activities supporting the contras through third parties were designed to circumvent US law (such as the Boland Amendments) and were completely unaccountable to anyone except the White House and the National Security Council. This ultimately led to the selling weapons to Iran, in violation of our own arms embargo, in the hope that Hezbollah would free American hostages, and use the profits to purchase weapons for the contras.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/14/2023 @ 6:05 pmHere it is, BuDuh. Seems like their approach was informed and reasonable.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/14/2023 @ 10:32 pmThank you for the link, Paul.
From the assumptions:
546 of the “689 hours and 20 minutes” comes from a maximum assumption.
Thanks again, Paul.
BuDuh (aeb9d8) — 9/14/2023 @ 11:07 pmAnyone trying to slow the process will demand the full two hours. It was what the Dems were doing, with a much longer allowed time, to slow Trump’s judges. Until McConnell “nuked” their ass with a rules change.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/14/2023 @ 11:19 pmNo kidding?
BuDuh (aeb9d8) — 9/14/2023 @ 11:23 pmLike I’ve said before, don’t go fooling around with Mrs. Tuberville. Tommy will come over to the motel and let the air out of the bellboy’s car tires.
The soldiers that Putin’s pixie is holding up the promotions of aren’t the ones responsible for the abortion travel expenses policy. They just work there.
All this does is show the shiftless mean-mindedness of the Trump gerbils.
nk (a972c4) — 9/15/2023 @ 4:30 am“Why should drug addicts be allowed to buy guns? Do you also think schizophrenics should be able to buy guns?”
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/people-convicted-nonviolent-crimes-can-guns-court-says-rcna88030
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/supreme-court-considers-recoil-landmark-gun-rights-ruling-rcna89261
So if someone is addicted to pot, then they should lose their right to self defense? How much can someone binge drink before they lose their right to self defense?
Personally, I’m even a littled bothered about a law that compels an addict to self report. Someone consumed by addiction might not be fully competent to self-assess that addiction or its degree. It might be too easy for those individuals to rationalize that a few clean days might mean they’re really not an addict. With the court decisions above, I question whether someone without felony drug charges and without a violent record will lose his right to self defense.
AJ_Liberty (a4451e) — 9/15/2023 @ 5:50 amRip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/14/2023 @ 6:05 pm
Presu=ident Reagan signed a covert finding allowing the sale.zPoindrxter hsd expected him to sign it on January 6, 1986 (and Reagan had signed a paper in advance not knowing what it was – Poindexter tore it up) but Sect Defense Weinberger objected and it was changed and he signed it on January 17
There were no profits Poindexter and North could apprpriate until then I think. The sale of arms to Iran came fist. ASupporting the contras came second and no money went to the contras because it was deposited in the wrong (Swiss?) numbered bank account,
Sammy Finkelman (1adfb2) — 9/15/2023 @ 7:40 amSo if someone is addicted to pot, then they should lose their right to self defense? How much can someone binge drink before they lose their right to self defense?
I don’t know, but demanding a line be drawn does not mean there should not be a line. How about 3 drunk driving convictions in 5 years? It’s 4, ever, here in NM and it’s a felony. I’d argue for 3, here in the land of the giant truck.
Personally, I’m even a littled bothered about a law that compels an addict to self report. Someone consumed by addiction might not be fully competent to self-assess that addiction or its degree. It might be too easy for those individuals to rationalize that a few clean days might mean they’re really not an addict. With the court decisions above, I question whether someone without felony drug charges and without a violent record will lose his right to self defense.
One of the reasons given for infrequent prosecution is this exact difficulty; not so much the addict’s self-delusion, but the difficulty to prove he was using drugs heavily, addicted or not (the law doesn’t actually care). In Hunter’s case he was stupid about it, like the burglar who films his escapades. It’s this blatant activity that makes the “infrequent” argument weak — here they have the goods.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/15/2023 @ 8:14 amThere is also a semantic issue with “addict” or “alcoholic.” I’ve been abstinent for 35 years, but I remain vulnerable to my next drink. I have seen it too often to think otherwise. Now, I would answer the form with “No” — as the question implies a different meaning than the recovery programs do. But some might think I’m being a hypocrite. Not that I care.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/15/2023 @ 8:19 amIt always pays to proof the cover of your book:
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0CH26KPJB
Senator Blutarsky strikes back.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 9/15/2023 @ 8:30 amComedy Gold!
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/15/2023 @ 8:37 amMs. Noem appears to be beefing up her resume for the VP slot.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 9/15/2023 @ 8:39 amDamn the Germans!
AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 9/15/2023 @ 10:47 am