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4/28/2023

Weekend Open Thread

Filed under: General — Dana @ 12:06 pm



[guest post by Dana]

Let’s go!

First news item

Second firm hired by Trump found no 2020 election fraud:

Former president Trump’s campaign quietly commissioned a second firm to study election fraud claims in the weeks after the 2020 election, and the founder of the firm was recently questioned by the Justice Department about his work disproving the claims.

Ken Block, founder of the firm Simpatico Software Systems, studied more than a dozen voter fraud theories and allegations for Trump’s campaign in late 2020 and found they were “all false,” he said in an interview with The Washington Post.

“No substantive voter fraud was uncovered in my investigations looking for it, nor was I able to confirm any of the outside claims of voter fraud that I was asked to look at,” he said. “Every fraud claim I was asked to investigate was false.”

Just yesterday, Trump appeared at a rally and whined to supporters that the 2020 election had been stolen, despite two firms hired to analyze the results arriving at the same conclusion: no substantive fraud was uncovered.

Yesterday, as the one-trick pony took the stage at a rally, he proceeded to whine that the 2020 election had been “rigged,”

…CNN published excerpts from a draft RNC report exploring the reasons Republicans underperformed in the 2022 midterms. One conclusion stood above the rest: Voters are tired of hearing about election fraud.

“The American people want to move forward and rarely, if ever, are concerned about what happened in the past. The balance of survey data makes it clear that voters are done with the 2020 and 2022 elections. They have no patience for endless conversations relitigating previous elections from Democrats and Republicans,” reads the draft. “Those who don’t heed that lesson from 2022 will be more likely to lose in 2024 and successive cycles.”

Second news item

Targeting civilians again because that’s what a genocide looks like:

Russia launched a barrage of long-range cruise missiles at Ukraine in the early hours of Friday morning, according to Ukrainian officials.

At around 4 a.m. local time (9 p.m. ET), 23 missiles were launched from Russian aircraft in the Caspian Sea area, along with two drones, according to the Ukrainian Air Force. Twenty-one of the missiles were intercepted by Ukrainian air defenses, it said.

But missiles did hit the central Ukrainian cities of Uman, in the Cherkasy region south of Kyiv, and Dnipro.

Uman: Officials say the death toll in Uman stands at 20, including three children. At least 18 people have been wounded.

According to Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Ihor Klymenko, there were 46 apartments inside one of the buildings that were hit, of which 27 were completely destroyed. He said it may take a day to clear all the rubble.

Note that this strike has caused more civilian casualties in a single incident since January when an apartment was hit in Dnipro in January. Also, as of this morning, the death toll stands at 20 including 3 children

Ukraine Minister of Foreign Affairs DmytroKuleba responded to the latest strike:

Missile strikes killing innocent Ukrainians in their sleep, including a 2-years-old child, is Russia’s response to all peace initiatives. The way to peace is to kick Russia out of Ukraine. The way to peace is to arm Ukraine with F-16s and protect children from Russian terror.

(cc to Gov. DeSantis)

And pointing out what has now become obvious:

Types of weapons that, we were told, would ‘provoke Russia to escalate’ if supplied to Ukraine but never did:

Artillery
MLRS
Air Defense
Tanks
Long-range missiles

F-16s will not either. Giving Ukraine F-16s will deter Russia rather than ‘provoke’ it. Time to take this step.

Thoughts about Ukraine’s urgent need for F-16s and our reluctance to provide them:

Ukraine must be ready soon for an offensive. Europe understands the urgency but doesn’t have the stockpiles. The US has the necessary ATACMs and F-16s gathering dust but refuses to provide them. Why? The answers are disturbing. Putin hopes for another long, frozen conflict that doesn’t put enough pressure on his domestic problems to crack his regime. That offers him hope of offramps and negotiations that only empower him, as has happened for the past decade. Tragically, influences in the Biden White House also seem to want this. Sullivan, Burns, Kerry, treating this like the Cold War where the evil they know is better than the uncertainty of victory, even if it means undermining the counteroffensive against a war criminal regime. Ukraine needs long-range fires and jets to free all its territory and people and end this war. Everyone understands this, including SecDef Austin, who has been trying his best. But the politicians don’t want to burn figurative bridges with Putin–or real bridges to Crimea. Sullivan can be a moral idiot, but here it’s costing many thousands of lives. The US must declare its strategic and political goals for this war. At Ramstein they again were unwilling to provide the decisive advantage Ukraine needs, dragging out the war as Putin desires. The national security of the US can be served in no better way than Ukraine defeating Russia decisively. Any result with Russia still occupying Ukraine will be a huge loss for the US and all democracies. Don’t negotiate with terrorists. Give everything now for Ukraine to win.

Third news item

Would a true ally of the United States do this:

China resumed construction of a military base in the United Arab Emirates, a move likely to alarm US officials and increase concerns that another US ally in the Middle East is drawing closer to China.

According to leaked US intelligence documents obtained by The Washington Post, construction has resumed at a Chinese military base just outside Abu Dhabi.

China in recent months has made an audacious power play in the Middle East, organising a diplomatic thaw between longtime rivals Saudi Arabia and Iran. Beijing has exposed the limitations of US influence in a region where it’s long been the dominant international power.

Fourth news item

On day two of testimony from E.Jean Carroll:

And, in perhaps the most heated moment of the day, Tacopina questioned why she wouldn’t have screamed if she were being sexually assaulted.

“I’m not a screamer. You can’t beat up on me for not screaming,” she replied, growing agitated. “I’m not beating up on you. I’m asking you questions,” Tacopina said.

“Women don’t come forward. One of the reasons they don’t come forward is because they’re always asked, why didn’t you scream?” Carroll told the courtroom. Women are told, she said, “You better have a good excuse if you didn’t scream.”

At that point, Carroll raised her voice. “I’m telling you: He raped me whether I screamed or not,” she exclaimed.

“Do you need a minute, Ms. Carroll?” Tacopina asked.

“No,” she replied. “Go right on. I don’t need an excuse for not screaming.”

This was puzzling:

Tacopina also questioned Carroll about a 2017 email referencing Trump between her and her friend Carol Martin, in which Martin wrote: “As soon as we are both well enuf to scheme, we must do our patriotic duty again …” Carroll responded: “TOTALLY!!! I have something special for you when we meet.”

When Carroll testified, as she had also done Wednesday, that she couldn’t recall what the email meant, Tacopina asked how she could remember details from the alleged rape from at least 27 years ago but couldn’t recall anything about a six-year-old email.

“Those are facts that I could never forget,” Carroll said of the alleged attack. “This is an email among probably hundreds of emails between Carol and I that I have no recollection of.”

Fifth news item

This is disgusting. On the same day that Mike Pence testified before a federal grand jury as part of special counsel Jack Smith’s investigation, his former boss did this:

Micki Larson-Olson, a QAnon supporter who said she considers Trump the “real president,” was convicted last year of unlawful entry on Capitol grounds. On Thursday night, she met Trump for the first time at the Red Arrow Diner in Manchester. [Ed. She was pointed out to Trump: “Where is she?” Trump asked. He sought her out and, absent any solicitation, told her to “hang in there.” Trump later pulled Larson-Olson, who was among the hundreds arrested and convicted for their participation in the January 6 riots, toward him for a photo. ]

Larson-Olson was introduced to Trump as a “Jan. 6er,” and he signed the backpack that she said she was carrying with her that day and waived her past security so he could embrace her. “Listen, you just hang in there,” Trump said, calling her a “terrific woman” and kissing her on the cheek. Trump said it was “so bad” what has been done to Jan. 6 “patriots.”

On Jan. 6, Larson-Olson climbed the scaffolding set up for Joe Biden’s inauguration and held on when police tried to remove her…she “refused” to leave the platform and has “absolutely no regrets” about her actions that day…Larson-Olson said she believes that the members of Congress who voted to certify Biden’s presidential election should be executed…“The punishment for treason is death, per the Constitution. I believe every single person, every single person that stole a voice from our collective voice of ‘We the people, of the people, for the people, by the people,’ deserves death, and no less than that.”

Larson-Olson added that she “would like a front seat of Mike Pence being executed” and that he should be the “No. 1” person on her list of those who committed treason.

Unfuckingbelievable.

Sixth news item

Surprising results from Fox News poll:

One of the key takeaways from the poll published Thursday night was the finding that 61 percent of Americans surveyed are in favor of banning all assault weapons, while only 45 percent of Americans believe more citizens carrying guns is a solution to lowering gun violence.

The idea that more “good guys” carrying guns will lower gun violence has been a popular talking point on the right for many years.

Broken down by partisan affiliation, however, 61 percent of Republicans believe more citizens carrying guns will lower gun violence – while only 27 percent of Democrats agreed.

Additionally, the poll found that the vast majority of Americans are in favor of additional gun buy restrictions:

— Requiring criminal background checks on all gun buyers (87%)
– Improving enforcement of existing gun laws (81%)
— Raising the legal age to buy a gun to 21 (81%)
— Requiring mental health checks on gun buyers (80%)
— Allowing police to take guns from those considered a danger to themselves or others (80%)
— Requiring a 30-day waiting period for all gun purchases (77%)

Seventh news item

The DeSantis v. Disney or Disney v. DeSantis saga continues as Republicans double-down:

The Florida Senate passed legislation late Wednesday that would get rid of a development agreement between Walt Disney World and its special district signed before the district’s board was replaced with government appointees, further escalating Florida Republicans’ feud with Disney despite the company filing a lawsuit over those attacks hours earlier.

The bill will now go to the Florida House, which is also controlled by Republicans and is likely to pass it. If it becomes law, the legislation would throw a further wrinkle into Disney’s lawsuit, which already alleges that the board’s attempt to revoke the development agreement violates the U.S. Constitution’s Contract Clause, which states that “[n]o State shall … pass any … Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts.” Disney’s lawsuit asks for the court to overturn the board’s decision to revoke the development agreement, leaving the agreement in place, and also asks the court to overturn laws that overhauled Disney’s special district, returning the district to how it was before Republicans’ attacks.

This is nuts. Again, how does the DeSantis attack on one of the state’s most successful businesses make even a little bit of sense? What if another successful business in the state criticizes a DeSantis bill, is he going to go to war on them too?

A 2019 study found Disney dominates the Central Florida tourism industry, according to Oxford Economics, and produced: $75.2 billion annual economic impact for Central Florida. 463,000 jobs. $5.8 billion in additional state tax revenue.

Anyway, the “new sheriff in town” shot himself in the foot even before officially announcing a run for the presidency.

Eighth news item

I love this:

The first Barbie doll representing a person with Down syndrome was released by Mattel “to allow even more children to see themselves in Barbie,” the company said.

“We are proud to introduce a Barbie doll with Down syndrome to better reflect the world around us and further our commitment to celebrating inclusion through play,” Lisa McKnight, the executive vice president and global head of Barbie & dolls at Mattel, said in a statement.

Enough with the bobble-headed, bleached-blonde, giant-boobed toothpicks being presented to young girls as some sort of idealized “beauty”!

Have a great weekend!

–Dana

393 Responses to “Weekend Open Thread”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (560c99)

  2. Types of weapons that, we were told, would ‘provoke Russia to escalate’ if supplied to Ukraine but never did:

    Artillery
    MLRS
    Air Defense
    Tanks
    Long-range missiles

    F-16s will not either. Giving Ukraine F-16s will deter Russia rather than ‘provoke’ it. Time to take this step.

    All of the above. Ukraine might not use long-range missiles if Russia stops, but deterrence is obviously necessary. Putin does not seem to be concerned about escalating because there is no cost to him. There must be one.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  3. The answers are disturbing. Putin hopes for another long, frozen conflict that doesn’t put enough pressure on his domestic problems to crack his regime. That offers him hope of offramps and negotiations that only empower him

    This is exactly the way Vietnam went, from a few advisers at the beginning, then one day we are bombing dams and neighboring countries.

    The frog never notices the carefully gauged increases in the water temperature.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  4. Beijing has exposed the limitations of US influence in a region where it’s long been the dominant international power.

    China may be assh0le, but China is not stupid and they play a long game. It should be obvious to anyone that sooner or later the US will wash its hands of Middle East oil and the job of protecting that commerce. UAE is just securing a new friend for when the old friend bails.

    Does anyone doubt that Trump or Biden or some successor won’t bail the moment we don’t need no stinking Arab oil?

    China, for its part, will be using Middle East oil for some time to come. They make noises about Climate Change, but they, like the Germans, are building more coal plants as we speak.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  5. One of the key takeaways from the poll published Thursday night was the finding that 61 percent of Americans surveyed are in favor of banning all assault weapons

    Quite a few of those people think we are talking about machine guns, a point on which the media seems quite willing to deceive, inveigle and obfuscate.

    Better to ask this:

    Would you favor banning all guns that fire multiple bullets each time the trigger is pulled?

    Would you favor banning all guns that fire a single bullet each time the trigger is pulled?

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  6. Anyway, the “new sheriff in town” shot himself in the foot even before officially announcing a run for the presidency.

    Indeed. And to prove his lie was good, he’s aiming at the other foot.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  7. Seventh News Item: This is nuts. Again, how does the DeSantis attack on one of the state’s most successful businesses make even a little bit of sense? What if another successful business in the state criticizes a DeSantis bill, is he going to go to war on them too?

    Cut to the chase: Ron Desantis is a fool going to war with one of the most recognized American institutions on Earth– and it is a major employer as well as massive revenue draw for his home state and for the associated businesses that service same.

    With an average annual attendance of over 58 million visitors, Walt Disney World is the most visited vacation resort in the world.

    He’s not only a fool, he’s a damn idiot.

    DCSCA (5dcfdf)

  8. @7

    What if another successful business in the state criticizes a DeSantis bill, is he going to go to war on them too?

    If that business enters the political arena, meaning active participation, that doesn’t mean the government isn’t allowed to respond.

    whembly (d116f3)

  9. Requiring a 30-day waiting period for all gun purchases (77%)

    What earthly good would that do? As for the rest of it, we keep finding that the background checks that are conducted by the bureaucracy are cursory and limited in scope. To increase that scope noticeably would require LOTS more well-trained people and money. Which won’t happen.

    If you are going to try to keep criminals and nutjobs from guns, you need to do a deep-dive investigation, perhaps similar to a secret clearance background search (and a similar detailed history provided by the applicant). If done to process a gun-license application (at the federal level), this needs to be done only once, so you can spend some time and energy on it.

    Selling a gun to someone without such a license would be game over for any gun shop.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  10. If that business enters the political arena, meaning active participation, that doesn’t mean the government isn’t allowed to respond.

    So, you favor bans on Chick-fil-A?

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  11. @10

    If that business enters the political arena, meaning active participation, that doesn’t mean the government isn’t allowed to respond.

    So, you favor bans on Chick-fil-A?

    Kevin M (f94f4f) — 4/28/2023 @ 12:50 pm

    Please re-read what I said.

    whembly (d116f3)

  12. This thread has more on the Russian terrorist missile attack on the residential building in Uman. It’s hearbreaking.

    Sergiy Lyubivsky, a resident of the apartment building in Uman, emotionally lists his neighbors, floor by floor, who were killed in 🇷🇺 missile attack.
    “They were my neighbors. They all are dead,” he says, in tears, adding that they all moved in when the building was built in 1993.

    The toll is 23 dead, 4 of them children. What makes this attack even worse is that the town is nowhere near the front lines, 115± miles south of Kyiv and 185± miles northwest of Kherson.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  13. Giving Ukraine F-16s will deter Russia rather than ‘provoke’ it. Time to take this step.

    No. No way. They’ve been freely ‘given’ more than enough by the taxpayers of the United States. Debt riddled USA doesn’t need nor can afford to send Ukraine reconfigured-to-withhold-proprietary-technology-F-16s when THERE ARE EQUALLY IF NOT BETTER AIRCRAFT MUCH CLOSER to them to extort from the European nations immediately affected by the conflict:

    The 7 Best European Fighter Jets

    1. Dassault Mirage III
    2. SEPECAT Jaguar
    3. Panavia Tornado
    4. Dassault Mirage 2000
    5. Dassault Rafale
    6. Saab JAS 39 Gripen
    7. Eurofighter Typhoon

    https://aerocorner.com/blog/european-fighter-jets/

    Let Europe “pay the freight” and ‘GIVE’ Ukraine fighter planes- after all, the fire is in their backyard.

    DCSCA (5dcfdf)

  14. @12

    The toll is 23 dead, 4 of them children. What makes this attack even worse is that the town is nowhere near the front lines, 115± miles south of Kyiv and 185± miles northwest of Kherson.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 4/28/2023 @ 12:54 pm

    It’s a terror campaign not unlike the kinds in WW2.

    How does the world respond to such against a nuclear-capable country?

    whembly (d116f3)

  15. One of the key takeaways from the poll published Thursday night was the finding that 61 percent of Americans surveyed are in favor of banning all assault weapons, while only 45 percent of Americans believe more citizens carrying guns is a solution to lowering gun violence.

    I’m sure that polls taken in 2018 would have shown that 61 percent of Americans surveyed thought that cashless bail and restorative justice would help decrease crime, and only 45 percent believed that sentencing criminals to prison kept Americans safe. We all know how that turned out.

    JVW (1ad43e)

  16. How does the world respond to such against a nuclear-capable country?

    To me, it’s two-pronged: Arm the Ukrainians with the weapons they’re requesting, and sanction the hell out of Russians and Russian entities. On the latter, there are thousands more that can be sanctioned.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  17. The Ones That Didn’t Receive a Pardon and Got Caught Holding the Bag:

    ……. (Brian Kolfage) was sentenced to 51 months in prison, and (Andrew Badolato) was sentenced to 36 months in prison, for their respective roles in carrying out a scheme to defraud hundreds of thousands of donors in connection with an online crowdfunding campaign known as “We Build The Wall” by soliciting donations using false statements and then stealing the resulting donations.
    ………
    Starting in approximately December 2018, BRIAN KOLFAGE, ANDREW BADOLATO, their co-defendant TIMOTHY SHEA, and others (guess who?) orchestrated a scheme to defraud hundreds of thousands of donors, including donors in the Southern District of New York, in connection with an online crowdfunding campaign ultimately known as “We Build The Wall” that raised more than $25,000,000 to build a wall along the southern border of the United States. In particular, to induce donors to donate to the campaign, KOLFAGE repeatedly and falsely assured the public that he would “not take a penny in salary or compensation” and that “100% of the funds raised…will be used in the execution of our mission and purpose.”

    Those representations were lies. ……
    ……..
    KOLFAGE, 41, of Miramar Beach, Florida, and BADOLATO, 58, of Cocoa, Florida, each pled guilty to one count of conspiracy to commit wire fraud. KOLFAGE also pled guilty to tax and wire fraud charges originally filed by the United States Attorney’s Office for the Northern District of Florida.

    SHEA, 52, of Castle Rock, Colorado, was convicted after trial of conspiracy to commit wire fraud, conspiracy to commit money laundering, and obstruction of justice, and is scheduled to be sentenced by Judge Torres on June 13, 2023.

    In addition to the prison terms, KOLFAGE was sentenced to three years of supervised release and ordered to forfeit $17,872,106 and pay restitution in the amount of $2,877,414. BADOLATO was sentenced to three years of supervised release and ordered to forfeit $1,414,368 and pay restitution in the amount of $1,414,368. Judge Torres also separately ordered forfeiture of $1,376,597.39 of funds held by We Build the Wall and real property located in Sunland Park, New Mexico, on which We Build the Wall had constructed a portion of a wall.
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  18. I can’t stop watching the video here, watching people agreeing to be “scanned” by a masked person in an Adidas business suit with a lint roller. I don’t know whether to laugh or smdh.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  19. @16

    To me, it’s two-pronged: Arm the Ukrainians with the weapons they’re requesting, and sanction the hell out of Russians and Russian entities. On the latter, there are thousands more that can be sanctioned.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 4/28/2023 @ 1:07 pm

    I’m reasonably confident that US/EU can give most of what Ukraine wants.

    But, the hard part is the sanctions.

    We can’t even get the oil sanctions to stick, and that’s a failure of the WhiteHouse’s and other NATO nation’s leadership.

    whembly (d116f3)

  20. @14. The ‘world’ doesn’t have to. It’s a regional affair and this is not World War II scale. And postwar organizations were created in the wake of that global carnage to deal with and manage such regional conflicts; everything from the EU to the UN and multiple organizations in between.

    You want “the world” to deal with Hong Kong? Sudan? Syria? Myanmar?? And the rest of the ongoing conflicts you don’t see on your interweb gadgets? Here’s the list– pick your poison:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflicts

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars:_2003%E2%80%93present

    This little rock is festering with bloodshed. But if you’re advocating for World Government- which is inevitable for planetary management in the centuries ahead, welcome to the Planet Earth of ‘Star Trek’ 400 years from now.

    DCSCA (5dcfdf)

  21. We can’t even get the oil sanctions to stick, and that’s a failure of the WhiteHouse’s and other NATO nation’s leadership.

    whembly (d116f3) — 4/28/2023 @ 1:11 pm

    Most countries in the world are neither US allies on in the EU (NATO has nothing to do with sanction enforcement).

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  22. China, for its part, will be using Middle East oil for some time to come. They make noises about Climate Change, but they, like the Germans, are building more coal plants as we speak.

    And of course we will soon be subsidizing them for doing that, thanks to the sheer incompetence of the Biden Administration and the United Nations Climate Change Cartel.

    JVW (1ad43e)

  23. Sad! Unfortunately the crew survived.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  24. @20

    @14. The ‘world’ doesn’t have to. It’s a regional affair and this is not World War II scale.

    How does WWI and WWII start?

    Mayhaps we try to avoid getting there?

    whembly (d116f3)

  25. @21

    Most countries in the world are neither US allies on in the EU (NATO has nothing to do with sanction enforcement).

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 4/28/2023 @ 1:16 pm

    Of course.

    Just opining how difficult to enact and enforce sanctions.

    whembly (d116f3)

  26. Most countries in the world are neither US allies on in the EU (NATO has nothing to do with sanction enforcement).

    Rip, don’t be pedantic. NATO members make up the entire leadership of the EU, so they should be the ones leading the push for sanctions enforcement. And the idea that most countries in the world aren’t US allies would sure come as a surprise to the Team Biden, who spent all of 2020 assuring us how respected and beloved their man was in international circles.

    JVW (1ad43e)

  27. Rip, don’t be pedantic. NATO members make up the entire leadership of the EU, so they should be the ones leading the push for sanctions enforcement….

    Are you suggesting that NATO should enforce sanctions through military force against non-NATO countries?

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  28. @24. Multiple organizations and institution were created in the wake of such carnage to contain the fire which is why- in the case of Ukraine- it is the responsibility of Europe, the EU and assorted nations on the European continent to contain same. They are well armed- some of the finest ground equipment and aircraft in the world BTW- w/t wealth to absorb the costs and the diplomats to ‘put the fire out.’ And if you ‘hope’ Europe will rush to aid the United States when it unilaterally has confront China over Taiwan as conflict erupts- dream on. Lest you forget, ‘Allies’ were scarce to virtually nil when it came to the proxy fight over Vietnam.

    DCSCA (5dcfdf)

  29. How does the world respond to such against a nuclear-capable country?

    Nothing we do (aside from using nukes) will force Putin to use nukes. We will, or he will not, just like nothing we’ve done has required him to bomb apartment buildings.

    Now, the reason he won’t use nukes is not because he doesn’t want to, but because WE have nukes and he is attentive to that. If Ukraine still had nukes, we would not be talking about the invasion of Ukraine.

    But Ukraine also hasn’t the power to deter these attacks on civilian targets. Giving Ukraine that power is not to say they will use it, but that the Russians might refrain from continuing attacks such as these.

    ==========

    This is the entire walking-on-eggshells thing that battered women and children learn. Don’t upset daddy when he’s been drinking, because you’ll make him hit you. It’s not a good place to be.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  30. * He will, or he will not

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  31. RIP Ken Potts (102); oldest known survivor of the sinking of the USS Arizona:

    His death was announced by the National Park Service, which administers the U.S.S. Arizona Memorial in Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, above the sunken hull where the remains of more than 900 of the 1,177 sailors and Marines who were killed in the attack are still entombed.

    The Arizona’s death toll accounted for nearly half the military personnel killed at Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7, 1941, which President Franklin D. Roosevelt called “a date which will live in infamy” and which prompted the United States to declare war on Japan.

    Lou Conter, a 101-year-old Californian, is now believed to be the only living survivor among the Arizona crewmen who escaped the inferno that Sunday morning. Only 93 of those who were aboard the ship at the time lived; 242 other crew members were ashore.
    ………
    Mr. Potts, a 20-year-old boatswain’s mate and crane operator, had been on leave in Honolulu for two days. He was on Ford Island in Pearl Harbor when sirens blared and loudspeakers ordered Navy personnel back to their ships.
    ………
    “When I got back to Pearl Harbor, the whole harbor was afire,” Mr. Potts said in an interview with the American Veterans Center in 2020. “The oil had leaked out and caught on fire and was burning.”

    “Going back to the ship, we had to drag sailors out of the oily water,” he told the photographer D. Clarke Evans in 2014. “We couldn’t think much about it. You don’t think much of anything, I guess. You’re in shock. All you worried about was staying alive.”

    After the order to abandon ship was sounded, he told the veterans center, “We pulled a lot of them out of there, trying to keep their heads above the oil. Some of them swam to shore, some of them were picked up. Some of them didn’t make it.”
    ………
    “My best day in the Navy is when I survived Dec. 7, 1941,” he told Mr. Evans. “It was also my worst day.”
    ………
    ………(O)n Oct. 4, 1939 — barely a month after Nazi Germany invaded Poland — he enlisted in the Navy. That December, he sailed from San Pedro, Calif., on the Arizona, the only ship on which he would serve.

    After the Japanese attack, he was assigned to the Pearl Harbor port director’s office for the duration of the war. One of his duties was delivering confidential orders to arriving ship commanders informing them of their destinations in the Pacific.
    ………..
    After their deaths, several dozen veterans of the Arizona rejoined their shipmates by having their ashes interred in the sunken vessel, one as recently as 2021. Mr. Potts preferred a more traditional funeral, according to Randy Stratton, the son of a former shipmate and friend, Donald Stratton, who died in 2020 at 97.

    “He said he got off once,” Mr. Stratton said of Mr. Potts, referring to the Arizona. “He’s not going to go back on board again.”
    ########

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  32. Whembly, companies engage in politics all the time. The right of ppl to criticize the government and elected officials is protected by the first amendment. This is unlawful retribution for protected speech.

    Time123 (3ece93)

  33. Medal of Honor Soldier Accounted For From Korea

    The Defense POW/MIA Accounting Agency (DPAA) announced today that Army Cpl. Luther H. Story, 19, of Americus, Georgia, killed during the Korean War, and posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor, was accounted for April 6, 2023.

    In late 1950, Story was a member of Alpha Company, 1st Battalion, 9th Infantry Regiment, 2nd Infantry Division. On Sept. 1, 1950, Story was reported killed in action after his unit was engaged by the Korean People’s Army near Naktong River, South Korea. There is no indication his remains were recovered after the battle, and he was never recorded as a prisoner of war. The Army issued a presumptive finding of death on Sept. 1, 1953, and his remains were determined to be nonrecoverable in January 1956.

    In October 1950, 11 sets of remains were recovered near Sangde-po, South Korea, eight were identified. One set remains designated X-260 Tanggok thought to be Story, but investigators at the Central Identification Unit-Kokura in Japan didn’t have enough identifying data to positively ID the remains. X-260 was later transported with all of the unidentified Korean War remains and buried as an Unknown at the National Memorial Cemetery of the Pacific, also known as the Punchbowl, in Honolulu, Hawaii.

    In July 2018, the DPAA proposed a plan to disinter 652 Korean War Unknowns from the Punchbowl. In June 2021, the DPAA disinterred X-260 as part of Phase Three of the Korean War Disinterment Plan and sent the remains to the DPAA laboratory at Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam, Hawaii, for analysis.

    To identify Story’s remains, scientists from DPAA used dental and anthropological analysis. Additionally, scientists from the Armed Forces Medical Examiner System used mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) analysis.
    ……….

    PFC Story’s Medal of Honor Citation:

    Pfc. Story distinguished himself by conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity above and beyond the call of duty in action. A savage daylight attack by elements of three enemy divisions penetrated the thinly held lines of the 9th Infantry. Company A beat off several banzai attacks but was bypassed and in danger of being cut off and surrounded. Pfc. Story, a weapons squad leader, was heavily engaged in stopping the early attacks and had just moved his squad to a position overlooking the Naktong River when he observed a large group of the enemy crossing the river to attack Company A. Seizing a machine gun from his wounded gunner he placed deadly fire on the hostile column killing or wounding an estimated 100 enemy soldiers.

    Facing certain encirclement, the company commander ordered a withdrawal. During the move Pfc. Story noticed the approach of an enemy truck loaded with troops and towing an ammunition trailer. Alerting his comrades to take cover, he fearlessly stood in the middle of the road, throwing grenades into the truck. Out of grenades, he crawled to his squad, gathered up additional grenades, and again attacked the vehicle. During the withdrawal the company was attacked by such superior numbers that it was forced to deploy in a rice field. Pfc. Story was wounded in this action, but, disregarding his wounds, rallied the men about him and repelled the attack.

    Realizing that his wounds would hamper his comrades, he refused to retire to the next position but remained to cover the company’s withdrawal. When last seen he was firing every weapon available and fighting off another hostile assault. Pvt. Story’s extraordinary heroism, aggressive leadership, and supreme devotion to duty reflect the highest credit upon himself and were in keeping with the esteemed traditions of the military service.

    Paragraph breaks added.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  34. WSJ Weekend Interview: Justice Samuel Alito:

    ……….
    He now says that the (Dobbs) leak “created an atmosphere of suspicion and distrust. We worked through it, and last year we got our work done. This year, I think, we’re trying to get back to normal operations as much as we can. . . . But it was damaging.” Chief Justice John Roberts directed the marshal of the Supreme Court to investigate the leak. In January she issued her findings: “Investigators have been unable to determine at this time, using a preponderance of the evidence standard, the identity of the person(s) who disclosed the draft majority opinion.”

    Justice Alito says the marshal “did a good job with the resources that were available to her” and agrees that the evidence was insufficient for a public accusation. “I personally have a pretty good idea who is responsible, but that’s different from the level of proof that is needed to name somebody,” he says. He’s certain about the motive: “It was a part of an effort to prevent the Dobbs draft . . . from becoming the decision of the court. And that’s how it was used for those six weeks by people on the outside—as part of the campaign to try to intimidate the court.”

    ……..“Those of us who were thought to be in the majority, thought to have approved my draft opinion, were really targets of assassination,” Justice Alito says. “It was rational for people to believe that they might be able to stop the decision in Dobbs by killing one of us.” ……

    A few pundits on the left speculated that the leaker might have been a conservative attempting to lock in the five-justice majority and overturn the constitutional right to abortion. “That’s infuriating to me,” Justice Alito says of the theory. “Look, this made us targets of assassination. Would I do that to myself? Would the five of us have done that to ourselves? It’s quite implausible.”
    ………
    Justice Alito says “this type of concerted attack on the court and on individual justices” is “new during my lifetime. . . . We are being hammered daily, and I think quite unfairly in a lot of instances. And nobody, practically nobody, is defending us. The idea has always been that judges are not supposed to respond to criticisms, but if the courts are being unfairly attacked, the organized bar will come to their defense.” Instead, “if anything, they’ve participated to some degree in these attacks.”
    ………
    It “undermines confidence in the government,” Justice Alito says. “It’s one thing to say the court is wrong; it’s another thing to say it’s an illegitimate institution. You could say the same thing about Congress and the president. . . . When you say that they’re illegitimate, any of the three branches of government, you’re really striking at something that’s essential to self-government.”
    ………
    Justice Alito finds these (applications for emergency orders and summary decisions, aka the “shadow docket”) a nuisance. “They’re very disruptive. But what are we supposed to do? They are brought to us. The last administration brought a lot of them to us because a lot of its programs were enjoined. This administration is doing the same thing right now. ……”
    ……..
    Justice Alito finds the whole notion appalling: “To change the size of the court just because you want to change the result in cases—that would destroy it. You want to talk about our legitimacy? That would destroy the perception that we’re anything other than a political body.”
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  35. Dana. Here’s another completely insane one.

    time123 (3ece93)

  36. How long it takes to get a non controversial FOIA request result back

    https://www.newser.com/story/334609/photos-capture-white-house-during-obamas-bin-laden-raid.html

    As May 1, 2011, arrived—the day when the US was planning to carry out the raid that killed Osama bin Laden in Pakistan—cameras installed in the White House Situation Room were turned off. But the official photographers in President Barack Obama’s White House kept shooting. Those photos, showing the tension and eventual celebration among the president, his staff, and Pentagon leaders, have never been available to the public. Then, more than a year ago, the Washington Post filed Freedom of Information Act and the Presidential Records Act requests with the Obama Presidential Library for those official photos.

    After 376 days, the library delivered a 161-page PDF of thumbnails for every photo taken at the White House between May 1 and 3, 2011. The photos lacked time stamps, captions, or the original metadata attached to them. The Post selected the ones it wanted from the original 900 and received back high-resolution versions with time stamps. It’s published 23 of them here, accompanied by information from an oral history and Obama’s book, A Promised Land. A selection is attached to this file.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  37. The Air National Guardsman Teixeira was twice denied a gun license by Massachusetts because of his love for violence nut got one after he was in the military.

    He searched for information about Uvalde and another gun crime

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/denied-a-gun-license-over-school-threat-accused-leaker-jack-teixeira-later-got-top-secret-clearance-1b0cd54

    ….By early 2023, the 21-year-old admitted sharing national security secrets, told his online associates that he was rooting for groups like Islamic State, and used his government computer to search terms like “Las Vegas shooting” and “Uvalde,” referring to the May 2022 shooting in Texas that killed 19 students and two teachers, according to court documents. When news of his actions began to appear in the media, prosecutors said, he asked his friends to delete all messages and remain silent. Federal prosecutors said he had a cache of weapons, some of which he kept just feet from his bed.

    By April 2023, he posted 40,000 messages on Discord, a social-media outlet popularized by videogame enthusiasts. A fellow chat room member asked Airman Teixeira whether what he was releasing was classified. “No one knows how to identify me,” Airman Teixeira replied, according to court documents.

    In an article I missed that was lined here I read that he claimed to have better access than most people with Top Secret security clearance.

    Nothing was compartmentalized for him, apparently Whatever IT person set the system up wanted to make sure he could read everything. And nobody at the base did anything to prevent removal of printouts.

    In the days leading up to his arrest earlier this month, Airman Teixeira smashed his tablet, Xbox console and iPhone and threw them in the dumpster, in an apparent bid to eliminate evidence, according to court documents filed in his case by the prosecution.

    On March 19, he signaled he wanted to stop, writing, “I was very happy and willing and enthusiastic to have covered this event for the past year and share with all of you something that not many people get to see something very few people in fact, get to see, but despite all of this, I’ve decided to stop with the updates.”

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  38. https://www.wbur.org/news/2023/04/27/jack-teixeira-espionage-prosecutors

    The death penalty and the fact it would ruin is career may perhaps have deterred him from doing a mass shooting.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  39. Change in war strategy. NATO now wants to avoid any place getting even temorarily occupied by Russia

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  40. ‘Justice Alito finds the whole notion appalling…’

    Why doesn’t Berobed Bureaucrat Alito find The Leaker instead; start by looking at himself in the mirror.

    DCSCA (e60743)

  41. Are you suggesting that NATO should enforce sanctions through military force against non-NATO countries?

    Good Heavens, warmonger, have you never heard of diplomacy and persuasion? It doesn’t always have to be warships and bombers.

    JVW (1ad43e)

  42. Good Heavens, warmonger, have you never heard of diplomacy and persuasion? It doesn’t always have to be warships and bombers.

    JVW (1ad43e) — 4/28/2023 @ 3:21 pm

    Since NATO is a military alliance, they use warships and bombers as part of their “persuasion.”

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  43. Sixth News Item:

    What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.
    ………
    Though they tend to get less public attention than gun-related murders, suicides have long accounted for the majority of U.S. gun deaths. In 2021, 54% of all gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (26,328), while 43% were murders (20,958), according to the CDC. The remaining gun deaths that year were accidental (549), involved law enforcement (537) or had undetermined circumstances (458).
    ………
    About eight-in-ten U.S. murders in 2021 – 20,958 out of 26,031, or 81% – involved a firearm. That marked the highest percentage since at least 1968, the earliest year for which the CDC has online records. More than half of all suicides in 2021 – 26,328 out of 48,183, or 55% – also involved a gun, the highest percentage since 2001.
    ………
    The record 48,830 total gun deaths in 2021 reflect a 23% increase since 2019, before the onset of the coronavirus pandemic.

    Gun murders, in particular, have climbed sharply during the pandemic, increasing 45% between 2019 and 2021, while the number of gun suicides rose 10% during that span.

    The overall increase in U.S. gun deaths since the beginning of the pandemic includes an especially stark rise in such fatalities among children and teens under the age of 18. Gun deaths among children and teens rose 50% in just two years, from 1,732 in 2019 to 2,590 in 2021.
    ……….
    On a per capita basis, there were 14.6 gun deaths per 100,000 people in 2021 – the highest rate since the early 1990s, but still well below the peak of 16.3 gun deaths per 100,000 people in 1974.
    ……..
    The places with the highest gun murder rates in 2021 included the District of Columbia (22.3 per 100,000 people), Mississippi (21.2), Louisiana (18.4), Alabama (13.9) and New Mexico (11.7). Those with the lowest gun murder rates included Massachusetts (1.5), Idaho (1.5), Hawaii (1.6), Utah (2.1) and Iowa (2.2).

    The states with the highest gun suicide rates in 2021 included Wyoming (22.8 per 100,000 people), Montana (21.1), Alaska (19.9), New Mexico (13.9) and Oklahoma (13.7). The states with the lowest gun suicide rates were Massachusetts (1.7), New Jersey (1.9), New York (2.0), Hawaii (2.8) and Connecticut (2.9). Rate estimates are not available for the District of Columbia.
    …………
    In 2020, the most recent year for which the FBI has published data, handguns were involved in 59% of the 13,620 U.S. gun murders and non-negligent manslaughters for which data is available. Rifles – the category that includes guns sometimes referred to as “assault weapons” – were involved in 3% of firearm murders. Shotguns were involved in 1%. The remainder of gun homicides and non-negligent manslaughters (36%) involved other kinds of firearms or those classified as “type not stated.”

    It’s important to note that the FBI’s statistics do not capture the details on all gun murders in the U.S. each year. The FBI’s data is based on information voluntarily submitted by police departments around the country, and not all agencies participate or provide complete information each year.
    ###########

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  44. Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 4/28/2023 @ 3:33 pm

    Related:

    Understanding Firearm Deaths by State—and How to Reduce Them

    By visualizing state-level mortality data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, this interactive map shows that states in the northeast and the coastal west have among the lowest firearm death rates.

    Conversely, in the south and mountain west, firearm death rates are especially high.

    To see how each state compares with the national average, explore gun mortality outcomes by gender, race, ethnicity, urbanicity, or age in the map below.
    ………
    Key Takeaways:
    ………
    There are wide and geographically specific differences in state firearm homicide rates; states in the northeast, west, and north-central regions have low firearm homicide rates, while states in the central midwest and south have among the highest such rates.

    Firearm suicides are less geographically concentrated than firearm homicides, but rates of such suicides are especially low in several northeastern states, California, and Hawaii. In contrast, rates are high in the mountain west and midsouth. Indeed, rates in Wyoming, Montana, and Alaska are more than eight times higher than rates in Massachusetts or New Jersey.

    Overall, firearm death rates vary a great deal by subgroup, but across all subgroups, death rates remain lower than average in California, Hawaii, Minnesota, and several northeastern states. Death rates are highest for many subgroups in the south-central and central midwestern states and the mountain west.
    …….
    Firearm death rates are lower in urban counties than in nonurban counties. This is driven by higher rates of firearm suicide in nonurban areas.

    Risk of firearm homicide is more than ten times higher for non-Hispanic Black populations than non-Hispanic White populations nationally. This is the largest demographic disparity in the data set.

    Hispanic populations have firearm homicide rates that are more than twice as high as non-Hispanic White populations. In contrast, non-Hispanic White populations have firearm suicide rates that are more than double those of non-Hispanic Black populations and more than three times larger than those of Hispanic populations.

    Firearm homicide rates decrease with each successively older age group, while firearm suicide rates increase with age.
    ………..
    This model shows that implementing the most restrictive combination of these laws could substantially reduce homicides and suicides, particularly in the states with existing, more-permissive firearm laws. In contrast, enacting a permissive law regime could substantially increase firearm deaths, especially in states with existing more-restrictive gun laws.

    Users can explore how adding or removing certain laws within each state’s existing legal framework might increase or decrease existing death rates within five years of implementation. Note that these are estimates that are subject to considerable uncertainty. See the individual state estimates for descriptions of the range of uncertainty for each estimate.

    Changing a state law compares your selections with the state laws in effect at the end of 2018. Our estimates of gun law effects change over the first five years after implementation. The estimated effect of implementing a law assumes that the law was in effect for at least five years.
    ………..

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  45. Is Anyone Really Surprised?

    Florida lawmakers on Friday cleared the path for Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) to run for president without resigning as governor, approving the measure as part of a broader elections bill.

    The bill, which passed on a party-line vote in the Republican-controlled legislature, stipulates that a rule requiring political candidates already holding office to resign does not apply to anyone running for president or vice president.
    ………
    The measure, passed by the state Senate on Wednesday and the House on Friday, brings Florida in line with most other states, which don’t require officeholders to resign before running for a federal post. It would also allow DeSantis to keep his job if he loses the presidential nomination or the general election.
    ………

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  46. @41. Good Heavens, warmonger, have you never heard of diplomacy and persuasion? It doesn’t always have to be warships and bombers.

    No kidding. And the irony is, “diplomacy” is precisely the means by which this- as with every other modern conflict– will conclude.

    DCSCA (ca5289)

  47. What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

    Where’s the section about self-defense? And most self-defense doesn’t involve shooting.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  48. @41. ‘Warships and bombers’… yes, warmly recally how the United States faked involvement by warship then B-52’d North Vietnam back into the stone age to claim ultiomate and glorious victory over Ho’s NVA… =sarc=

    DCSCA (ca5289)

  49. WSJ Weekend Interview: Justice Samuel Alito…

    Memo To Berobed Alito:

    Golly Sam, saw ‘The Thin Man’ movies, too. You know what Nick & Nora would say…

    ‘methinks thou dost protest too much…’

    DCSCA (ca5289)

  50. ‘methinks thou dost protest too much…’

    That was from the Thin Man movies? Gosh, what you learn these days.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  51. This is the entire walking-on-eggshells thing that battered women and children learn. Don’t upset daddy when he’s been drinking, because you’ll make him hit you. It’s not a good place to be.

    Well said, Kevin.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  52. Cathy Young has more on Amnesty’s victim-blaming report. The organization should be ashamed.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  53. When The Don;
    Mocks the shufflin’ along;
    Of the Joe;
    Gettin’ more lost and slow;
    As our prez,
    Shows he’s out of his head;

    That’s Entertainment!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ith__Oce5to

    DCSCA (5e6a62)

  54. RFK’s interview with ABC censored about covid and autism. Seems they want to make him more palatable to democrat voters so they can protest vote in the primary.

    asset (0445d8)

  55. Doing away with preferential zoning and unearned tax breaks is a win for all. But it’s easy to tar DeSantis when all you do is get information from leftist sources.

    Disney is trying to harmn the citizens of Florida. They don’t deserve special privileges.

    And when the Obama judge rules in Disney’s favor, he will get overturned yet again in the Court of Appeals like has been done repeatedly when he has ruled for the left against DeSantis. The recent overturning of his noxious remarks on voting laws is particularly telling.

    NJRob (eacb83)

  56. Third news item
    Would a true ally of the United States do this

    Wasn’t this was supposed to be the administration that would shore up relations with our allies?

    We brought the “adults” back in the room, but our friends are straying. Must be bad friends LOL

    JF (56de52)

  57. Eight news items

    Quick, find the current president’s name in any of them.

    He must be doing everything right.

    JF (56de52)

  58. Firm Of Ex-Intel Officials Behind Hunter Biden Letter Advising VC Giant Pouring Millions Into China

    Investment firm Sequoia Capital recently hired Beacon Global Strategies, a firm led by former intelligence officials behind the infamous Hunter Biden laptop letter, to advise it on how to operate in China as the venture capital giant spends millions funding the country’s technology sector, according to The Information.

    Sequoia hired Beacon in 2022 for counsel on topics including the U.S. government’s stance on technology investments in China, as well as national security risks related to specific types of business transactions, according to people with knowledge of the situation who spoke to The Information. Beacon Global Strategies was founded and is run by Jeremy Bash, former Chief of Staff to the Director of the CIA and the Secretary of Defense, and boasts Michael Morell, former Deputy Director of the CIA, as a senior executive for roughly ten years.

    Morell and Bash were two of the 51 former intelligence officials who signed an October 2020 letter casting doubt, without evidence, on the authenticity of files later verified by the Daily Caller News Foundation that were extracted from Hunter Biden’s laptop, alleging they were likely part of a Russian disinformation operation.

    JF (56de52)

  59. Irony in Chief

    Biden tells ‘Tennessee Three’ that GOP efforts to expel them were ‘undemocratic’

    President Biden on Tuesday hosted the “Tennessee Three” at the White House, telling the Democratic lawmakers that the Republican efforts to expel them from office were “undemocratic.”

    “What the Republican legislature did was shocking. It was undemocratic,” Biden said at the top of the meeting.

    “You’re standing up for our kids, you’re standing up for our communities,” Biden told the lawmakers.

    The three of them led chants on the Tennessee House floor and the resolutions to expel them indicate they engaged in “disorderly behavior.” The expulsion of Jones and Pearson, both of whom are Black while Johnson is white, has fueled a nationwide debate over gun violence, race and the freedom to protest.

    JF (56de52)

  60. “I’d vote for him again!”

    —- dime store buddha

    Colonel Haiku (b4b8ea)

  61. Are you talking about a vote for Biden or Trump, Haiku? Both fit

    DRJ (fda1b5)

  62. DeSantis is doing everything by the book. Rule of Law.

    But, the Alvin Bragg and Weissmann fans are telling us it’s bad to use government power against opponents.

    JF (56de52)

  63. Quick, find the current president’s name in any of them.

    He must be doing everything right.

    Knock it off, JF. The President comes in for his share of criticism at this site. And this being an open thread, you are welcome to post comments criticizing him, as you already have done.

    JVW (1ad43e)

  64. Who’s the leader of the club
    That’s made for you and me
    M-I-C-K-E-Y M-O-U-S-E

    Hey there, hi there, ho there
    You’re as welcome as can be
    M-I-C-K-E-Y M-O-U-S-E

    Mickey Mouse, Mickey Mouse
    Forever let us hold our banner high
    High, high, high

    Ah, Annette! No Latina minx (Latinx for short) could hold a candle to you.

    nk (0e86a8)

  65. Manhunt after 5 dead in Texas shooting: Suspect attacked neighbors after they complained about gunfire, authorities say

    ‘AUSTIN, Texas – Authorities in Texas are searching for a 39-year-old suspect accused of fatally shooting an 8-year-old and four other neighbors after they asked him to stop firing his rounds in his yard late at night.

    On Saturday morning, San Jacinto County Sheriff Greg Capers said authorities were still searching for the suspect, a Texas man who was armed with an AR-style rifle. Authorities said he went next door and began shooting after the family asked him to stop firing rounds in his yard because they were trying to sleep. The shooting occurred overnight in the town of Cleveland, about 45 miles north of Houston.

    Capers said the suspect is a resident of Mexico. According to an update posted on the sheriff’s office’s Facebook page Saturday morning, a judge has issued an arrest warrant for the suspect and assigned a $5 million dollar bond.’ – https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2023/04/29/5-people-shot-north-huston-texas/11765852002/

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  66. Unbelievable:

    The school district that employs the teacher who was shot by her 6-year-old first grade student says that the teacher’s lawsuit against the district should be dismissed because she was injured in the course of her job — and therefore it’s a matter of workers’ compensation.
    …………..
    (Abigail Zwerner, a teacher at Richneck Elementary School in Newport News, Virginia) suffered life-threatening injuries and sued the school district and administrators earlier this month, alleging negligence and reckless disregard on the part of the school district.
    …………..
    The motion from the school district, which notes that Zwerner has so far refused to accept payment under Virginia’s Workers’ Compensation Act, argues that the Newport News Circuit Court doesn’t have jurisdiction over the case because being shot by a first-grader is, essentially, a risk that all teachers take.

    “One cannot assess the state today of education-based employment in the United States without paying attention to the problem of violence in its classroom,” the motion says, calling this an “unfortunate reality.” Although teachers today see themselves as “the first line of defense” when students attack each other, the motion says, “teachers themselves are common targets of violent behavior by students.”
    ………….
    “Plaintiff was clearly injured while at work, at her place of employment, by a student in the classroom where she was a teacher, and during the school day,” the school board argues. “Teaching and supervising students in her first grade class was a core function of Plaintiff’s employment. Thus, Plaintiff’s injuries arose out of and in the course of her employment and fall under Virginia’s Workers’ Compensation Act[.]”
    ………………
    “While in an ideal world, young children would not pose any danger to others, including their teachers, this is sadly not reality,” the motion says. “This is exactly why Plaintiff strategically focuses on the use of a handgun as opposed to some other weapon with less perceived notoriety and shock value, even though serious injuries can be inflicted with scissors, knives, pencils, rocks, chairs, and hands. If the allegations in the Complaint substituted ‘sharp scissors’ for ‘gun’ and John Doe stabbed Plaintiff in the neck in the classroom, there would be no doubt that the injury would fall under Workers’ Compensation. The handgun is the classic ‘red herring.’”
    …………..
    ………….. Because the student had a history of violent behavior toward students and teachers, the complaint says, Zwerner should have been aware of the possibility she could be shot.
    ……………..
    The motion did not address the allegations contained in Zwerner’s complaint regarding alleged repeated failures on the part of school administrators to take seriously the warnings raised by multiple teachers that the little boy had a gun with him that day.
    …………….

    Rip Murdock (e6d601)

  67. Why doesn’t Berobed Bureaucrat Alito find The Leaker instead; start by looking at himself in the mirror.

    If Alito was the the leaker, Politico would have fingered him already in an attempt to burn his reputation to the ground.

    They haven’t.
    Which means he wasn’t.

    SaveFarris (7c77ac)

  68. Goes either way, drj. If you like what you’ve seen you are welcome to it.

    Personally, I like what I’ve heard from/seen of Vivek Ramaswamy.

    Colonel Haiku (e24642)

  69. No Justice was the leaker of Dobbs. It was some low-level dweeb of the ilk of Bradley Manning, Reality Winter, and MTG’s current cougar-crush.

    A Justice would be too conscious of their sense of dignity and self-worth to stoop that low. Not to mention that whoever they leaked to would henceforth have them, and their legacy, in the palm of their hand. The whole speculation that it was a Justice is stupid, because whatever else they may be Supreme Court Justices are not stupid.

    nk (0e86a8)

  70. nk, so much of what I read that is over the top criticism of almost anyone just seems like projection.

    It reminds me of when I was in grad school, and I was afraid that my advisor would write a bad letter of recommendation for me.

    A friend said, “If they did such a thing, it would reflect badly on them.”

    But I was so insular, I couldn’t see it.

    Your point with the SCOTUS justices is spot on. We all know it is most likely an activist clerk. And it will come out.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  71. The only Justice who would do it is Sotomayor, because she’s doctrinaire and an apparatchik at heart.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  72. which of these scenarios is the more preposterous?

    1. the FBI can’t figure out who the leaker of a landmark SCOTUS decision is, out of a very limited list of suspects

    2. the FBI knows who it is but won’t reveal it cuz political fallout

    answer:

    3. the fact that these are reasonable questions to ask

    JF (56de52)

  73. @68/@70. Politico, hell… Columbo would have nailed him in two hours, with commercials.

    Of course a justice could leak it- the safest source. And Alito protests about it too much. It’s an old ploy to deflect suspicion. His worst enemy is his own big mouth. Just review his history over the years. The CJ- who probably knows by now given the small circle who had access to the file — sure as hell isn’t going to out a colleague- a sitting justice– and further destroy the credibility of the court on top of the exposure of their inability to keep track of a simple file of papers and recent ethics questions surfacing… you’ll find out in his memoir- or after Sam buys the farm. Revisit his history over the years at public events- he can’t keep his mouth shut. Alito is the leaker, which is no surprise… but the disappointment is the CJ. Expected better management skills from him. But once a bureaucrat, always a bureaucrat.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  74. The reasonable questions to ask are:

    1. Did the FBI investigate the Dobbs leak in the first place?
    Answer: No, the Supreme Court marshal did.

    2. But, but, but … why not the FBI?
    Answer: What was the crime over which the FBI would have jurisdiction?

    3. Why do you answer a question with a question?
    Answer: Why not?

    nk (0e86a8)

  75. @73. Leaker Alito is shooting his mouth off because he knows he’s safe from being outed by the CJ as the source in this environment.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  76. Breyer because it’s not like they’ll pull his pension and health insurance over it.

    urbanleftbehind (abd770)

  77. Is Samuel Alito Auditioning for Tucker Carlson’s Replacement?

    ‘The justice says he has a “pretty good idea” who the Supreme Court leaker is—and descends into an angry, petulant rant.’

    “I personally have a pretty good idea who is responsible,” Alito said, declining to name names, “but that’s different from the level of proof that is needed to name somebody.” He then claimed, without providing any evidence, that the leak was an effort to protect abortion rights.” – https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/04/samuel-alito-supreme-court-leak-2/

    Golly. What a great parlor game; even judges can play! “I have a pretty good idea who is responsible” too, Sam: YOU.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  78. “TRUNALIMUNUMAPRZURE!”

    —- Joe Biden

    No joke…

    Colonel Haiku (e24642)

  79. The perp will be revealed, dcsca. Only a matter of time.

    Colonel Haiku (e24642)

  80. @79. He was babbling Leprechaunese dontcha know.

    Hey Joe, what was the last country you visited??? ……….. uh……… uh……… uh…….

    “It’s Ireland!” – Charles Lindbergh [James Stewart] ‘The Spirit Of St. Louis” 1957

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  81. @80. When Sam buys the farm and the CJ quills his memoir. You can smell the seething resentment Leaker Sam has for Roberts with every word… he thinks HE should be CJ, not Roberts.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  82. @80. Eventually… we waited over 30 years for the Deep Throat reveal, too.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  83. If the leaker was a clerk, they’d be gone by now in any event. Yet several justices have spoken of a destruction of trust that continues. I guess it could be a janitor or other permanent staff, but if a member of staff was seriously suspected, they’d be transferred to somewhere else.

    So, someone they cannot easily transfer, retire or otherwise get rid of. A justice or a spouse.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  84. More Election Fraud:

    Three Rensselaer County (NY) government officials including Richard W. Crist, the county’s director of operations, have been indicted on federal criminal charges alleging they used fraud and intimidation to obtain absentee ballots in the names of voters for primary and general elections in 2021.

    Crist and James R. Gordon, director of the county’s Bureau of Central Services, as well as Leslie A. Wallace, a longtime political consultant who is listed in public records as an “assistant for constituent relations” in the office of county Executive Steve McLaughlin, turned themselves in to the FBI at its Albany headquarters on Thursday morning.
    ………….
    The arrests are the result of federal grand jury investigation that for more than a year has been looking into allegations of widespread ballot fraud.
    ………….
    The charges include allegations that the trio conspired to use their official positions to violate the constitutional rights of subordinate county employees to intimidate them into requesting and filing absentee ballots, according to federal prosecutors.
    …………..
    In addition to the single count civil rights conspiracy charge, Gordon was charged with one count of witness tampering and Wallace was charged with one count of making false statements.

    Crist, Gordon and Wallace each face up to 10 years in prison if convicted of conspiracy to violate constitutional rights. Gordon faces up to 20 years in prison if he’s convicted of witness tampering; the charge against Wallace for making false statements carries a five-year maximum sentence.

    The ongoing investigation has focused on the actions of multiple Republican officials and has been led by the U.S. Justice Department and special agents with an FBI white-collar crime and public corruption unit in Albany. ……….

    Jason Schofield (the county’s former Republican elections commissioner) pleaded guilty in January to 12 counts of unlawfully using the names and dates of birth of voters to fraudulently apply for absentee ballots for elections held in 2021……….

    (Troy Councilwoman Kimberly) Ashe-McPherson pleaded guilty 10 months ago to a single felony count in which she admitted to fraudulently submitting absentee ballots in the 2021 primary and general elections as she sought reelection to the city council. ………
    …………..

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  85. I think that all the justices know who leaked it, but do not have enough evidence to prove it.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  86. Kevin M (f94f4f) — 4/29/2023 @ 10:44 am

    Given the lax internal security and the fact that over 80 persons could have had access to the draft opinion, it won’t surprising that we never find out.

    The “court family” soon realized that its sloppy security might make it impossible to ever identify the culprit: 82 people, in addition to the justices, had access to the draft opinion. “Burn bags” holding sensitive documents headed for destruction sat around for days. Internal doors swung open with numerical codes that were shared widely and went unchanged for months.
    ……….
    ………..(T)he court issued a 20-page report disclosing that the marshal’s monthslong search for the leaker had been fruitless, and detailing embarrassing gaps in internal policies and security. While noting that 97 workers had been formally interviewed, the report did not say whether the justices or their spouses had been.
    …………..
    (T)he court was forced to issue a second statement saying that the marshal had in fact conferred with the justices, but on very different terms from others at the institution. Lower-level employees had been formally interrogated, recorded, pressed to sign affidavits denying any involvement and warned that they could lose their jobs if they failed to answer questions fully, according to interviews and the report.

    In contrast, conversations with the justices had been a two-way “iterative process” in which they asked as well as answered questions, the marshal, Gail A. Curley, wrote. She had seen no need for them to sign affidavits, she said.
    ………..

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  87. Where’s the section about self-defense? And most self-defense doesn’t involve shooting.

    Kevin M (f94f4f) — 4/28/2023 @ 4:37 pm

    From the link:

    ……..fatality statistics are based on information contained in official death certificates, which identify a single cause of death.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  88. My point is that these gun shooting reports overstate the problem, and massively understate the utility. They are easily confused with propaganda.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  89. it won’t surprising that we never find out.

    It will “leak” before the next election.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  90. A-10s Return to Middle East with a New Mission, and a New Weapon

    A squadron of A-10 Thunderbolt II attack jets, specially modified to nearly triple their bomb loads, has been dispatched to the Middle East to boost U.S. airpower in the region amid increased tensions with Iran-backed forces in Syria.

    The Warthogs will get software updates enabling them to carry up to 16 Small Diameter Bombs within weeks, said Lt. Gen. Alexus Grynkewich, who leads Air Forces Central Command.

    “They’re really here as a message to both assure our partners…but also as…a true capability that can work against some of the threats that we face with respect to Iran,” Grynkewich said in an interview Thursday.

    U.S. officials say Iranian-backed militia groups are also active in Syria, and occasionally attack American forces in the region. In March, a suspected Iranian suicide drone attack killed an American contractor was killed and injured five servicemembers at a base in northeastern Syria. Iran is also supplying suicide drones to Russia, which is using them to strike military and civilian targets in Ukraine.

    “There’s a growing confluence between Russia and Iran, and I would argue with the Syrian regime as well, and that is manifesting in Syria as a challenge to our defeat-ISIS campaign and really just overall regional stability,” Grynkewich said.

    The March attack accelerated the A-10 deployment, he said.

    The A-10 could also be used to patrol the Strait of Hormuz, where Iranian go-fast boats have harassed warships and tankers.

    But I’ve bee told repeatedly that these planes are no use in a modern combat zone.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  91. U.S. Arms Warplanes With ‘Bunker Busting’ Bombs in Message to Iran
    ………….
    The decision to put more powerful weapons on a squadron of A-10 Warthogs was designed to give pilots a greater chance of success in destroying ammunition bunkers and other entrenched targets in Iraq and Syria, where U.S. forces have been repeatedly targeted by Iran-backed fighters, the officials said.

    The move marks the first time that the U.S. military will put these precision-guided weapons on board the Warthogs, which were recently refitted so that they could each carry up to 16 bunker busters, known formally as GBU-39/B bombs.

    “The A-10s are highly effective at some of the things we need to do,” said Air Force Lt. Gen. Alexus Grynkewich, who oversees U.S. military operations in the skies above Syria and 20 other nations in the Middle East and Southeast Asia as head of the U.S. Air Forces Central Command.
    ……….
    The Pentagon sent the Warthog squadron—usually around 12 planes—to the Middle East last month after Iran-backed forces carried out a series of attacks on U.S. bases in Syria, including one suicide-drone strike that killed an American contractor. President Biden responded to the attacks by ordering airstrikes on Iran-backed militants in Syria.
    …………
    The Pentagon has about 900 military personnel working on small bases in Syria, where they focus primarily on preventing Islamic State militants from regaining a foothold in the region where its fighters built a self-proclaimed caliphate before it was toppled by U.S.-backed forces in 2019.
    …………
    The relatively slow-flying plane is best used to provide close air support for U.S. forces in places like Syria where militants have no planes to challenge American pilots in the skies. But the Warthog is seen as a poor fit in Asia, where it is vulnerable to China’s air defenses.
    #########<

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  92. The relatively slow-flying plane is best used to provide close air support for U.S. forces in places like Syria where militants have no planes to challenge American pilots in the skies. But the Warthog is seen as a poor fit in Asia, where it is vulnerable to China’s air defenses.

    The same reasoning applies to not providing A-10s to Ukraine.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  93. ………. The right of ppl to criticize the government and elected officials is protected by the first amendment. This is unlawful retribution for protected speech.

    Time123 (3ece93) — 4/28/2023 @ 1:48 pm

    The public sees that, even if some don’t. Like everything else, it depends on your tribe:

    Reuters/Ipsos Poll: Americans say DeSantis is punishing Disney for free speech
    ……….
    …………. 64% of Americans say they believe DeSantis is punishing Disney for exercising their right to free speech, while only 36% say they believe he is rightfully rolling back special treatment for Disney.

    Opinions are largely divided along party lines, where 87% of Democrats and 67% of independents say DeSantis is punishing Disney while 64% of Republicans say DeSantis is rightfully rolling back Disney’s special privileges.

    About half (49%) say their opinion of the Walt Disney World resort is not impacted by the issue, and a plurality (42%) say the same for their opinion of the Disney Company.

    Most independents agree with Americans at-large……….

    Among Democrats, though, Disney fares especially well in the fight against DeSantis. Since Disney voiced opposition to Florida’s “Don’t Say Gay” bill in 2022, 55% of Democrats say they see the Disney Company more favorably.

    Unsurprisingly, nearly half of Republicans say they view the Walt Disney World resort and the Disney Company less favorably now. Yet, about four in ten Republicans say their views of each have not been impacted by recent events.

    In contrast to Disney, opinions of DeSantis have fallen as a result of their fight over LGBTQ+ issues in Florida. Two in five (42%) Americans say they see DeSantis less favorably now, while only 36% say recent events have had no impact on their opinion. ………
    ………..

    Paragraph breaks added.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  94. The same reasoning applies to not providing A-10s to Ukraine.

    Syria has plenty of Russian air defense systems, as does Iran.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  95. Among Democrats, though, Disney fares especially well in the fight against DeSantis. Since Disney voiced opposition to Florida’s “Don’t Say Gay” bill in 2022

    Repeating the propaganda in the poll report makes the whole thing meaningless.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  96. Here’s one possible explanation for the “reverse Flynn effect”:

    The detrimental impacts are particularly profound for young people. A large study from New Zealand found that frequent use of marijuana during adolescence was linked to an average loss of six IQ points by mid-adulthood. A JAMA Internal Medicine analysis tracked more than 5,000 young adults for 25 years and reported that cumulative lifetime exposure of marijuana was correlated with worse memory.

    The damaging consequences occur during fetal development, too. THC can pass through the placenta into the fetus’s bloodstream, and maternal cannabis use is associated with children having poorer attention, visual functioning, language comprehension, impulse control and distractibility. The adverse outcomes can persist into young adulthood, with reduced executive function noted among college-age people who were exposed in utero. Some studies have also linked marijuana use in pregnancy with higher rates of babies needing intensive care, preterm birth and stillbirth.

    (Links omitted.)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect

    The more I read Dr. Wen’s columns, the more I like her. In her latest she confesses that she didn’t learn to swim as a child, and was afraid of the water. But when her three year old son pushed her one year old daughter into a swimming pool, and Wen was afraid to jump in to rescue her daughter, she realized she needed to learn to swim. And she has. (You’ll be pleased to know that no harm came to the daughter, since there was a life guard on duty. And parents should know that “drowning is the No. 1 cause of death among children ages 1 to 4.”)

    Jim Miller (0e46f9)

  97. Reuters/Ipsos poll questions and responses.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  98. One more time:

    Reuters/Ipsos poll questions and responses.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  99. The Reveal!

    https://youtu.be/qD38C8gf1oA

    Colonel Haiku (e24642)

  100. Syria has plenty of Russian air defense systems, as does Iran.

    Kevin M (f94f4f) — 4/29/2023 @ 12:42 pm


    As the article states, the A-10s will be used against Syrian and Iranian backed militias, not the countries themselves. That is why the USS Florida (SSGN 728) has been deployed to the Middle East.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  101. Darling Nikki, Keeping It Classy:

    ………..
    GOP presidential candidate Nikki Haley has emphasized yet another reason that people should not vote for Joe Biden in 2024: He won’t be alive in five years.

    Haley, 51, who has previously suggested there should be age limits and competency tests for the presidency, made the grisly prediction Wednesday on Fox News, arguing not that it would be sad for the nation if the president were to die of an age-related illness in office but that a vote for Biden is effectively a vote for Kamala Harris if that were to happen.

    “ He announced that he’s running again in 2024, and I think that we can all be very clear and say with a matter of fact that if you vote for Joe Biden you really are counting on a President Harris, because the idea that he would make it until 86 years old is not something that I think is likely,” said Haley……….
    …………
    Aside from his advanced age, there’s no reason to believe that Biden will actually be dead in five years. The president, who has already outlived the average American by about three years, got a clean bill of health in February and exercises five days a week, according to his doctor. Biden’s most serious ailments are acid reflux and a stiffening gait.
    …………

    Sister Toldjah at Redstate is Not Amused:

    …………

    ………(P)utting death scenarios out there is new territory, I think, for candidates for public office and especially at this level. And while I do agree that Biden’s age is fair game and that questions about his mental acuity are also within bounds considering the position he holds and wants to continue to hold for four additional years, it doesn’t strike me as wise to make death predictions about political opponents.

    Trump is not that far behind Biden in the age department but comes across as far more robust and active from a stamina standpoint, and yet there were Democrats and media types during his time in office suggesting he was on his last breath just because he walked slowly down a ramp one time and gripped a glass of water with two hands on another occasion. The suggestion then that he was close to death then was out of bounds, in my opinion, and it is now as well.

    Unless someone has hard evidence that their opponent is on their deathbed, I think this tactic should be thrown in the trash. There are myriad issues to take with Joe Biden, after all, with his age and questionable physical and mental health being among them. Adding death predictions to the list is, in my view, a bit on the grotesque side and I’d honestly like for GOP candidates to not “go there” — like at all.
    #########

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  102. Haley says Disney can move to her home state after it sues DeSantis
    ………..
    “Hey @Disney, my home state will happily accept your 70,000+ jobs if you want to leave Florida,” Haley tweeted. “We’ve got great weather, great people, and it’s always a great day in South Carolina!”

    “SC’s not woke, but we’re not sanctimonious about it either,” she added in an apparent reference to former President Trump’s “DeSanctimonious” nickname for the Florida governor.
    ………..
    “If Disney would like to move their hundreds of thousands of jobs to South Carolina and bring the billions of dollars with them, I’ll let them know I’ll be happy to meet them in South Carolina and introduce them to the governor and the legislature that would welcome it,” she added during a Fox News interview.)
    ……………

    Related:

    ………..
    ……….. I was pretty stunned by her cheap shot at Ron DeSantis. I am pretty sure that it will alienate quite a number of people, although to me it’s pretty clear that Republican voters are not the intended recipients of her message.
    ………..
    Looking at the language of the tweet her message is clear: she is on board with the ‘Ron DeSanctimonious” slam on the governor of Florida.

    With numbers like those (in the Reuters/Ipsos poll showing 64% of Republicans supporting DeSantis against Disney) it is risky to bet against DeSantis’ move. ………

    So clearly the message was not meant for them. It was meant for Trump.
    ………
    I really haven’t thought about Haley and the presidential race together because she is a non-factor in picking the presidential candidate.

    And despite this, I still don’t care. As of now, the race is Trump v DeSantis, and both men know it. ……..
    …………

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  103. Rip Murdock (5ab8fa) — 4/29/2023 @ 1:45 pm

    In his deposition for the E. Jean Carroll lawsuit, Trump misidentified Carroll as Marla Maples, his wife at the time, in a photograph.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  104. Go show L.A. how it’s done!

    https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1651957227375431680?s=20

    Colonel Haiku (e24642)

  105. Cold, compassionless Dr. Jill had to lead America’s bewildered, maskless, teetering, tuxedoed corpse into the WHCD. Truly an inspiration– for another season of ‘The Walking Dead.’ He looks so bad…

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  106. A 51-year old woman talking about death would give some men pause, I think.

    And it’s totally gratuitous. The science is that no 82-year old man (or 79-year old man for that matter) has the energy to carry out the duties of the Presidency. No way.

    nk (bb1548)

  107. Down the Drain:

    Big banks including JPMorgan Chase & Co. and PNC Financial Services Group are vying to buy First Republic Bank in a deal that would follow a government seizure of the troubled lender, according to people familiar with the matter.

    A seizure and sale of First Republic by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. could come as soon as this weekend, the people said.

    The San Francisco-based bank has teetered for weeks following the March 10 failure of fellow Bay Area lender Silicon Valley Bank. The SVB meltdown spurred panicky First Republic customers to pull around $100 billion in deposits in a matter of days.

    The stock has lost some 97% of its value since.
    ………….
    A seizure and sale of First Republic would cap the astonishing collapse of a lender that was, until recently, the envy of finance. With some $233 billion in assets at the end of the first quarter, it would be the second-largest bank to fail in U.S. history.
    ………….
    Only a handful of banks could easily absorb First Republic’s assets and deposits. Some of those, like Wells Fargo & Co., face regulatory hurdles to expansion. Others are still digesting recent deals for other banks.

    JPMorgan and Pittsburgh-based PNC both have a history of stepping into the breach during crises.
    ………….

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  108. @103. With numbers like those (in the Reuters/Ipsos poll showing 64% of Republicans supporting DeSantis against Disney) it is risky to bet against DeSantis’ move. ………

    Reuters/Ipsos Poll: Americans say DeSantis is punishing Disney for free speech

    Washington, DC, April 26, 2023– In the wake of disagreements between Disney and Florida Governor Ron DeSantis about discussions of gender and sexuality in public schools, a new Reuters/Ipsos poll finds that the majority of Americans believe that DeSantis is punishing Disney for exercising its right to free speech. While most are aware of DeSantis’ recent efforts to revoke some of Walt Disney World’s legal privileges and Disney’s objection to recent Florida laws banning the discussion of gender and sexuality in public schools, nearly half of Americans say they do not know who is winning the fight. In response to the fight, though, about two in five Americans say they now have a less favorable opinion of DeSantis, while half say the fight has had no impact on their perceptions of Disney. However, reactions largely differ along party lines, as Democrats and independents generally side with Disney while Republicans largely side with DeSantis.

    Following recent arguments between Disney and Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, seven in ten Americans (73%) say they are aware of Disney objecting to recent Florida laws banning the discussion of sexuality and gender in public schools, while nearly four in five (78%) say they are aware of recent efforts to revoke some of Walt Disney World’s legal privileges in Florida. Despite such high awareness of these events, a plurality (47%) of Americans say they do not know who is winning the fight. Regardless, 64% of Americans say they believe DeSantis is punishing Disney for exercising their right to free speech, while only 36% say they believe he is rightfully rolling back special treatment for Disney. Opinions are largely divided along party lines, where 87% of Democrats and 67% of independents say DeSantis is punishing Disney while 64% of Republicans say DeSantis is rightfully rolling back Disney’s special privileges.

    In contrast to Disney, opinions of DeSantis have fallen as a result of their fight over LGBTQ+ issues in Florida. Two in five (42%) Americans say they see DeSantis less favorably now, while only 36% say recent events have had no impact on their opinion. This effect is most pronounced among Democrats, although the impacts on independents and Republicans are also notable. Seven in ten (68%) Democrats say they see DeSantis less favorably following recent events, and 34% of independents say the same. Although 44% of Republicans say they view DeSantis more favorably following the fight around LGBTQ+ issues in Florida, a fifth (19%) say they view him less favorably. – https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/reutersipsos-poll-americans-say-desantis-punishing-disney-free-speech

    DCSCA (147d31)

  109. Go Sacramento Kings!!!

    Colonel Haiku (b4b8ea)

  110. In the eastern conference where the NBA can easily be the 4th most popular pro sports team in a city, they would be KANGS!

    urbanleftbehind (64c0d7)

  111. Rip:

    If Biden had a stronger VP, Nikki going after Biden on the age issue would be tacky, but still within political norms. (See political commentary circa 1980 and 1984). Given that Kamala has been tried and found wanting but still hangs around anyway, this is legitimate. Problem Haley has is that she has not found a way to go after Trump other than the age thing — and that’s not really a vulnerability for him.

    The Dems need to take a clue from FDR’s 1944 campaign and find another VEEP. Maybe, like Henry Wallace, she can be sent on a lengthy listening tour with less important allies, while the search is made.

    Appalled (e33c7f)

  112. Rip:

    If Biden had a stronger VP, Nikki going after Biden on the age issue would be tacky…….

    It’s part of her campaign to be Trump’s VP. She would do it no matter who Biden’s VP choice was.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  113. DCSCA (147d31) — 4/29/2023 @ 6:13 pm

    You missed this quote from the Reuters/Ipsos poll in post 94, which is referred to in post 103:

    Opinions are largely divided along party lines, where 87% of Democrats and 67% of independents say DeSantis is punishing Disney while 64% of Republicans say DeSantis is rightfully rolling back Disney’s special privileges.

    DeSantis (at this point in the campaign at any rate) doesn’t care what Americans believe, only what Republican primary voters believe.

    Rip Murdock (5ab8fa)

  114. The Dems need to take a clue from FDR’s 1944 campaign and find another VEEP

    It’s a real good thing that Henry Wallace wasn’t VP when FDR died.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  115. Ryan/Manchin ’24

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  116. “Rust/Coal You’ll Be On The Dole!”

    Colonel Haiku (f6ab35)

  117. #112 – Appalled. I agree with you, but I think the Democrats are trapped by identity politics. Kamala Harris is a “three-fer”: a black, south Asian woman. (She’s no more than a quarter black, but that doesn’t matter for the symbolism.)

    At the very least, you would have to replace her with a black woman — and persuade her to leave quietly, which seems unlikely.

    Jim Miller (0e46f9)

  118. Harris, despite ticking off the three boxes, still polls dismally as FiveThirtyEight and LAT report. Brazenly playing identity politics has locked the Democrats in, especially as there doesn’t appear to be anyone else that Biden’s team considers worth the inevitable upheaval that would come if Biden dropped Harris.

    Dana (560c99)

  119. Fox News Poll 4/26/23:

    ………..
    Among Republican primary voters, Trump leads with 53% support, followed by DeSantis at 21%,
    Mike Pence at 6%,
    Nikki Haley at 4%,
    Vivek Ramaswamy at 3%,
    Tim Scott and Liz Cheney at 2%
    Greg Abbott, Chris Christie, Larry Elder, Chris Sununu and Glenn Youngkin at 1%, and
    Asa Hutchinson, Kristi Noem and Francis Suarez get less than 1%.
    …………
    Among self-identified 2020 Trump voters, 57% still support him, while 21% prefer DeSantis, 6% Pence and 3% each for Haley and Ramaswamy. Sixty-five percent of Biden’s 2020 voters back him, 15% go for Kennedy and 9% favor Williamson.
    …………….
    Except for Hutchinson, each GOP candidate included in the poll has a net positive rating among Republicans, although there are large differences. Trump does best, receiving a net positive favorable score of +61 points. That makes him more beloved within the party than DeSantis (+48 points), Haley (+28), Pence (+16), Scott (+15), Ramaswamy (+13), and Hutchinson (-11).
    ………….
    Overall, 43% of voters and 80% of Republicans have a favorable view of Trump. For Biden, it’s 44% favorable overall and 79% among Democrats.
    …………
    Voters think partisan politics is behind the congressional investigations into Hunter Biden’s business dealings with foreign governments (70%) and the lawsuit Trump faces in New York about potential violations of federal campaign finance laws (64%).
    …………
    Most Republicans say the president’s son did something illegal (71%) and believe the congressional investigation is motivated by politics (65%). Most Democrats also think the investigations are political (77%), but think he either did something unethical (47%) or nothing wrong (24%).
    …………..

    Top lines and cross tabs.

    Rip Murdock (c7888c)

  120. First paragraph in post 120 reformatted for easier reading.

    Rip Murdock (c7888c)

  121. The False Choice of Ukraine or Taiwan
    ………….
    The majority of the weapons requirements for the expected theaters of war are different. The Russo-Ukrainian War is a ground war with a small maritime theater and a short range, low altitude tactical aviation environment with a few cruise missiles and tactical ranged drones thrown in for measure. Any war around Taiwan will be a naval and aerospace war dominated by warships, rocket forces, and precision long range fires – with a land component limited in geography, range, and requirements.

    ……….. If the PRC decides to kick off a war of conquest over Taiwan and we throw in, we would be very lucky to see it contained there. It may very well spread, but if it does, it will involve nations who border her that have large national land forces that we can support. ……..

    ………. While war over Taiwan is on the seam between the possible and probable over the next decade, we have a no-kidding war in Europe with Russia – real for some and proxy for us – going on right now. We didn’t cause it, and we are not fighting it – but as we did with the UK before WWII, we are helping the side we think would best serve our interests should they come out on top. I have seen no serious person who has outlined any scenario where a triumphant Russian Republic in the war in Ukraine serves the USA or her European allies well.
    ………….

    Rip Murdock (c7888c)

  122. Dana: “Harris, despite ticking off the three boxes, still polls dismally”

    This is no doubt and she seems stuck with her impression. I can’t imagine Biden giving up on her and struggle to imagine who he would even pick to satisfy the box counters. But if he’s determined to run, he has to have a running mate that voters can feel comfortable with as President. Maybe a Gretchen Whitmer, though how does that play in the African American community? I’m still committed to the proposition that Biden will eject from the race this summer, still giving others time to mount a race.

    I don’t know how other Democrats are viewed in Democrat circles, but I know Biden was an also-ran in 1988 and 2008 and a not-even-considered in 2016. It’s not like he’s loved or generates so much love or affection. He was a placeholder in 2020 and little more. His job performance has been up and down, but it hardly cries out to finish the job. Others that I think could jump in include: Mark Warner, Tim Kaine, John Hickenlooper, Jared Polis, Roy Cooper, Andy Beshear, Amy Klobuchar, Cory Booker, Martin O’Malley, and Gavin Newsom. Newsom would be awful but he has some of the better name recognition…same with Booker. My list focuses on current or past governors, trending toward moderates who might have cross appeal. I’ve given it no further thought as to who makes sense state wise or career wise. I’ve left off the Bernie-AOC-Warren wing because it ain’t time for crazy. I doubt I would like any of the candidates policy wise….as they would all be singing income redistribution and identity politics….but I think it would be good for the country to have a “Normal” DEM primary instead of the Biden death watch.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  123. Empowering Ukraine Prepares Us for China

    …………. (P)olicymakers who are rightly concerned about the threat China poses to Taiwan argue that the United States should stop aiding Ukraine and instead divert attention, support, and weapons to Taiwan. While proponents of this argument are right to convey a sense of urgency and focus on some points that are true, their position overlooks key facts that make its simplistic zero-sum formulation unrealistic and self-defeating. For example, their argument does not sufficiently grapple with the connection between the China and Russia threats to US interests and allies, the responses of allies and how their perspectives affect outcomes, and the way the US budgetary and weapons delivery systems function.
    ………….
    A victorious Ukraine, along with a strengthened eastern front of NATO, would provide a bulwark against further Russian aggression. A confident and stable NATO would present nations near the Russian border with more realistic opportunities to assist the United States in across-the-government efforts to weaken, compete with, and sometimes confront China. If Russia were to prevail, China would have greater leverage over Europe and would be the biggest benefactor of Russia’s success.
    ………….
    Not a single weapon the United States has delivered to Ukraine was scheduled or intended to go to Taiwan. To date, Taiwan has been supported through Foreign Military Sales (FMS), like other nations that buy weapons from the United States. ………… Taiwan has chosen to purchase certain types of US weapons, and the United States has worked with Taipei to choose the most appropriate weapons that would be most conducive to deterring a PRC invasion and then fending off that invading force if deterrence were to fail. ………

    …………. Ukraine needs long-range fires against ground targets and a mechanized/armored maneuver capability. By contrast, Taiwan needs anti-ship cruise missiles, sea mines, and many of the dispersed infantry capabilities that were useful to Ukraine at the beginning of the war, but are less so today. Some capabilities, like air defense, are badly needed in both scenarios.
    ………..
    Below are five ways the US government can continue arming Ukraine while bolstering Taiwan’s defense.

    1. Reform the law to speed up Taiwan’s weapons.
    ………….
    2. Provide Ukraine with the weapons and operational leeway to succeed in a sustained counteroffensive that enables Ukraine to prevail.

    Rather than continuing down the Biden administration’s risk-averse approach that slowly provides certain weapons, the United States should equip Ukraine to sustain a punishing counteroffensive to regain its territory and convince Moscow it should withdraw. ………

    3. Prioritize US foreign policy objectives.

    ………..While the United States would be wise to always keep an open hand to diplomatic opportunities, the United States should not withhold deployments of military capabilities to the Asia theater for fear of “provoking” China ………. Nor should the United States withhold critical and timely deliveries of weapons to Taiwan for fear of possible retaliation by China.

    4. Fund the unfunded priorities list for US Indo-Pacific Command (INDOPACOM).
    ………..
    5. Rebuild the defense industrial base.

    We are in a new cold war against adversaries that are making a determined effort to undermine, weaken, impoverish, and humiliate the United States. After decades of bipartisan folly in foreign and military policy, America lacks a modern defense industrial base………. The challenges are great, but rather than take a defeatist and pessimistic view of the situation, the United States should make a clear-eyed and realistic assessment of the regional theaters that are integral to US security and prosperity, and then knuckle down and get to work.
    ………..

    Rip Murdock (c7888c)

  124. @114. Not missed; it is in there- just not relevant [except selective spin] to the overall take away of the poll as noted in their headline.

    DeSantis excels at punching down; either by responding to the now-canned Tucka questionnaire– or waging war on Disney- among the top and most recognizable projectors of America worldwide- and a major employer and massive revenue draw for his home state and for the associated businesses that service same.

    With an average annual attendance of over 58 million visitors, Walt Disney World is the most visited vacation resort in the world.

    Going all Ernie Smuntz chasing after the House of Mouse is a fool’s errand; it may entertain certain constituencies amongst the chattering class but battling the best investment to happen for Florida since the Feds pumped billions into Cape Canaveral– is just stupid.

    “He’s Hitler with a tail. He’s “The Omen” with whiskers. Even Nostradamus didn’t see him coming.” – Ernie Smuntz [Nathan Lane] ‘MouseHunt’ 1997

    DCSCA (88474b)

  125. Others that I think could jump in include: Mark Warner, Tim Kaine, John Hickenlooper, Jared Polis, Roy Cooper, Andy Beshear, Amy Klobuchar, Cory Booker, Martin O’Malley, and Gavin Newsom.

    I’d prefer some on your list to Biden — though definitely not Newsom — but I think it’s academic. I strongly doubt Biden is going anywhere, and worse, I doubt Harris is either. Worse still, it’s looking like Trump still owns the GOP. So, while anything can happen in 18 months, as of now I suspect we’re looking at 2020 redux. And I have no reason to doubt that will include another insurrection attempt if Trump loses, this time refined to overcome the kinks that undid the first effort. I don’t know how they get around a Dem presiding over the Senate, but where there’s a will there’s a way.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  126. Don’t think for yourself. Just read polls and follow the Leader.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  127. I expect Harris to resign to head United Way or President of Harvard or something. Maybe Biden will put her on the Supreme Court if he has a chance.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  128. And what evidence do you have to inform that expectation?

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  129. Others that I think could jump in include: Mark Warner, Tim Kaine, John Hickenlooper, Jared Polis, Roy Cooper, Andy Beshear, Amy Klobuchar, Cory Booker, Martin O’Malley, and Gavin Newsom.

    Only if Darling Nikki’s prediction becomes true sooner rather than later.

    Rip Murdock (c7888c)

  130. lurker (cd7cd4) — 4/30/2023 @ 1:04 pm

    I agree. Everything else is wishcasting-it doesn’t matter who someone wants to be a candidate, it only matters who actually runs. And we don’t have control over that.

    Rip Murdock (c7888c)

  131. Others that I think could jump in include: Mark Warner, Tim Kaine, John Hickenlooper, Jared Polis, Roy Cooper, Andy Beshear, Amy Klobuchar, Cory Booker, Martin O’Malley, and Gavin Newsom.

    How would their policies be any different from Biden? Not much if at all.

    Rip Murdock (c7888c)

  132. The Dems need to take a clue from FDR’s 1944 campaign and find another VEEP.

    The race and gender driven box checkers of today [Clyburn & crew] did that already- hence she’s still on the ticket, in spite of failing to demonstrate competence and manage the assignments in her portfolio- the border and so forth.

    In FDR’s case- [and remember, there was a world war raging at the time]- the small circle of party insiders aware of FDR’s heart issues and ‘selected’ Truman as he’d demonstrated competence and was popular due to the success of the ‘Truman Committee’ monitoring government waste and war profiteering:

    ‘Chairing the committee helped Truman make a name for himself beyond his political machine origins and was a major factor in the decision to nominate him as vice president, which would propel him to the presidency after the death of Franklin D. Roosevelt.’ – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truman_Committee

    Competence is not a qualification for a gig in the Biden Administration; ethnicity and gender are.

    DCSCA (88474b)

  133. And what evidence do you have to inform that expectation?

    Just about every Democrat’s desire to replace her on the ticket without “replacing her on the ticket.”

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  134. How would their policies be any different from Biden? Not much if at all.

    Rip Murdock (c7888c) — 4/30/2023 @ 1:27 pm

    Other than Newsom, I don’t know the listed governors well enough to say, but the senators, past and present, are all more fiscally conservative than Biden. I suspect all of them, with the possible exception of Booker, would also be less cravenly pandering to the coalition of Dem-aligned identitarian interests.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  135. Stumbling, bumbling, and mumbling. Who will want to run that campaign? This is an optics nightmare even before the attack ads start. One could make the case in 2020 between Sanders, Warren, Bloomberg, and Biden, it was a battle of septuagenarians, with Biden comfortably moderate and with the VP experience. Now, there’s an opportunity for a clean reset. The economy is doing better for Biden, but there is still Afghanistan, immigration, crime, financial sector concerns, and lingering inflation. It’s not a slam dunk….and if you don’t think people behind the scenes are nervous and want a plan B other than Harris (or cough cough Kennedy) come the run-up, you’re nuts. If it’s not Trump from the GOP, the contrast with Biden will be remarkable.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  136. Just about every Democrat’s desire to replace her on the ticket without “replacing her on the ticket.”

    Kevin M (f94f4f) — 4/30/2023 @ 1:38 pm

    Those “just about every” Democrats would, I suspect, bear an ironic resemblance to the “just about every” Republican we’ve been told are fed up with Trump.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  137. “How would their policies be any different from Biden?”

    This is optics…voters want energetic, intellectually nimble, and in their prime. How do you see a guy who will be 82 at inauguration? It ain’t getting better….and if he’s stuck with Harris….that ain’t helping either. If he drops out, then Harris just becomes another option. There might be pressure to pick her, but DEMs can read poll numbers too and I think they would see others have a better shot against Trump or DeSantis.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  138. If it’s not Trump from the GOP, the contrast with Biden will be remarkable.

    There is always something to be said about the “smoke-filled room.”

    Also, if it IS Biden vs Trump, nearly any qualified centrist could win on a independent ticket. That would be actual populism at this point.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  139. “more fiscally conservative than Biden”

    Probably. But I doubt that this will be the cycle for Utopian budget largesse. The battle will be for moderates and independents. The base will already be energized to keep Trump or DeSantis out. Put someone like Warner and Whitmer on a ticket, it would be hard to describe it as scary or age-challenged. DEMs want DEMs picking judges. I’m not sure that this is the moment to go all green economy and universal health care.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  140. and if you don’t think people behind the scenes are nervous and want a plan B

    Wanting it and getting it are different things. I want a beach house in Malibu, but I can’t afford it. Likewise those “behind the scenes” Dem operatives know that the Dems can’t afford the drop in African-American, especially African-American women, turnout that ditching Biden and Harris would cost them.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  141. “nearly any qualified centrist could win on a independent ticket”

    Trump will still win deep red states; Biden will still win deep blue states. Unfortunately I think a centrist will just play spoiler in the toss-up states. I would be open to another option, but realistically I think it would be hard to organize unless started right now.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  142. Yeah, a viable third party run is the wishcastingest of wishcasts.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  143. And if Biden is dead or stroked-out by February, where does that leave them? Trump is promising retribution — I think DEMs will get pragmatic quick. Will the party leaders want to put all their bets on an Irish guy that can’t remember he was just in Ireland. Hey, crazier things have happened….I just wouldn’t categorically rule out a pull out.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  144. But I doubt that this will be the cycle for Utopian budget largesse.

    The Bernie/Squad may not the behemoth asset thinks it is, but it is formidable and growing, and it’s not shy about demanding a pound of flesh in return for its support, contrary economic imperatives notwithstanding. I was surprised how far left they dragged Biden, and while I can only guess, I suspect at least the senators on your list wouldn’t have caved so completely and cheerfully. But again, I suspect this is all academic.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  145. I don’t categorically rule it out.I just strongly doubt it, for the reasons I gave. It would cost significant turnout. Given how tiny the electoral margins are, that cost could very well, maybe even likely, be decisive. Which means ditching Biden and Harris would have to be a desperation move. And while I think Biden/Harris is awful, I’m not sure they’re as awful electorially, at least against Trump, as they are in fact.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  146. @136. Stumbling, bumbling, and mumbling. Who will want to run that campaign?

    This is who’s running Joe Biden’s campaign

    Julie Chávez Rodríguez, Campaign Manager

    After serving as one of Biden’s senior advisors and White House director of intergovernmental affairs, Chávez Rodríguez will pivot to leading the reelection push. She has never run a campaign before, but she served as the deputy campaign manager on Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris’ last campaign and is close with the president. A longtime Democratic aide, she’s currently the highest ranking Latina in the White House. She also served in several roles in the Obama administration, and is the granddaughter of labor icon Cesar Chávez.

    Quentin Fulks, Principal Deputy Campaign Manager

    A democratic strategist, Fulks was most recently the campaign manager for Sen. Raphael Warnock’s reelection campaign last year — the first successful reelection bid for a Democratic senator in Georgia in more than 30 years. Before that, he was the deputy campaign manager and senior political adviser to Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker, helping flip the seat blue in 2018. He has also held several positions at the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, EMILY‘s List and Priorities USA.

    Kevin Muñoz, Media Relations

    Most recently an assistant White House press secretary, Muñoz will take care of press for the reelection bid initially as a larger team is built out. None of the other hires on the comms team or their potential roles in the campaign have been set in stone, two people familiar with the process said. At least one other campaign staffer is set to be announced soon.

    National Co-chairs

    Rep. Lisa Blunt-Rochester (D-Del.) has been close with Biden for years, helping him choose his running mate for the last campaign. A long-time family friend, she’s also the first woman and first African American to represent Delaware in Congress.

    Rep. Jim Clyburn (D-S.C.), another longtime ally, threw his support behind Biden in 2020. That gave the president a stamp of approval among Black voters at at a critical time for the campaign, following a string of losses to Sen. Bernie Sanders and coming just days before the state’s primary.

    Sen. Chris Coons (D-Del.) has served as the “bridge” between the Hill, the White House and foreign capitals during the Biden presidency. Abroad, he has served almost as a proxy to Biden, being talked about in the U.S. and internationally as a shadow secretary of State.

    Sen. Tammy Duckworth (D-Ill.), a veteran and the first Thai American woman in Congress, was floated as a vice presidential candidate in 2020. Since then, she has been a Biden ally, but also challenged the president two years ago for not naming Asian American Cabinet secretaries, vowing to oppose nominees on the floor before backing down.

    Rep. Veronica Escobar (D-Texas) has been a staunch defender of the administration’s handling of the southern border crisis, an issue that’s likely to be central in the 2024 presidential campaign. One of the first two Latinas to represent Texas in the House of Representatives, she represents El Paso, the largest city at the U.S. border.

    Jeffrey Katzenberg, a film producer and major Democratic fundraiser, has been key to Biden’s presidential endeavors, backing him in 2020 and raising millions of dollars for Dems alongside the president.

    Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, who was also floated as a potential vice presidential candidate, has been a close Biden ally for years. She vocally backed the president despite dwindling Democratic enthusiasm earlier this year, and endorsed him for president in 2020.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/25/bidens-campaign-team-00093671

    DCSCA (0a163e)

  147. Yeah, a viable third party run is the wishcastingest of wishcasts.

    Group Backed by Joe Lieberman Seeks Third Party for ’24

    ‘When former Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman ran for vice president in 2000 on the Democrat ticket, he lost Florida by 537 votes; Green Party nominee Ralph Nader won more than 97,000 votes in Florida.

    Nevertheless, the Democrat turned independent attended a meeting last week to support the centrist group No Labels and its efforts to get on the 2024 ballot in all 50 states. The group reportedly describes its campaign as an “insurance policy” against the nomination of “unacceptable” candidates by the two major political parties…’

    https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/joe-lieberman-no-labels-president/2023/04/03/id/1114842/

    DCSCA (0a163e)

  148. Right now, anything other than cheering on Biden vs Trump is wishcasting, praying, and/or refusal to accept reality. But I refuse to accept that reality until it is upon us. So, I will continue to agitate for nearly anything else. IF you want to use pejoratives to describe that, fine. But I view than as an attack on me, not my argument that we shoudl do better.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  149. Third party history is replete with failures. But most of them are run from the fringes, attracting the extreme ends of one party or another.

    So, the Libertarians, the Greens and the Dixiecrats. NONE of them appealed to the center, and if you do not appeal to the center there is no chance at all. George Wallace’s 1968 campaign was a regional effort that had no hope outside the South.

    But what of those that do appeal to the center? There were only 2 in the 20th century: TR’s Bull Moose campaign of 1912 and Ross Perot’s Reform campaign of 1992.

    TR won 6 states and 88 electoral votes, coming in second in popular vote with 27%. Wilson won with 42% of the popular vote. Eugene Debs (Socialist) came in 4th with 6%.

    Ross Perot won zero electoral votes with 19% of the popular vote. Bill Clinton won the election with 43% of the vote. Note that Perot was leading in the polls in June 1992, when he abruptly dropped out, then re-entered later with much of his support gone.

    I can’t speak to the divisions of 1912, but the divisions now are such that make 1992 look like kumbaya. That Perot polled between 32% and 39% in June 1992 is an indication that a more-credible candidate who rejects the major-party expremists could win a national election in 2024.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  150. It should also be noted that TR was the presumptive GOP nominee in 1919, when he dropped dead.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  151. Here’s a question for all of you who don’t live in the Seattle area: Did your local newspaper(s) do this?

    On the western Easter Sunday (April 9th), the Seattle Times almost completely ignored the Christian holiday. There was no mention of Easter on its front page, or anywhere else until page 11 of the first section (A), where there was a small article titled: “Easter Sunday could be wettest day so far this year in Seattle”. (If it wasn’t the wettest, it was close to it.)

    This area is more secular than most of the United States, but the population is large enough so that as many as a million people might have attended services that day. (There are about 5 million people in the Seattle Times area.) When that many people do something in your area, it’s news, even if you hate them for doing it, perhaps especially if you hate them for doing it.

    In a neat example of turning the other cheek, Hobby Lobby had their usual half page ad inside the first section — and a full page Easter ad on the back of that section.

    (Religion was not completely neglected by the Seattle Times on that day. On the first page of section E (“the Mix” was an article, “Salmon Fishing — the Lummi Way”, which helpfully explained: “It’s a technique the Lummi people believe was given to them by the Creator.”)

    So, did you see anything similar in your area?

    Jim Miller (0e46f9)

  152. Right now, anything other than cheering on Biden vs Trump is wishcasting, praying, and/or refusal to accept reality. But I refuse to accept that reality until it is upon us. So, I will continue to agitate for nearly anything else. IF you want to use pejoratives to describe that, fine. But I view than as an attack on me, not my argument that we shoudl do better.

    Kevin M (f94f4f) — 4/30/2023 @ 2:18 pm

    I don’t think there is anyone who doesn’t think we can do better, and I don’t think anyone is cheering on a Biden v. Trump rematch (certainly not the American public). It’s just that the partisans on both sides are so wedded to their leaders there is very little that will change that calculus, no matter how bad Biden or Trump are. Democrats aren’t going to suddenly dump Biden and Republicans aren’t going to dump Trump (absent any intervening events).

    Even if Trump is charged with a January 6th related offense a trial wouldn’t happen until 2024, or even 2025. And during that time he will be able to run for President and possibly get elected.

    Do I wish our choices were different-of course. I just don’t see anything happening that will change the current political reality. It’s beyond our control.

    Rip Murdock (c7888c)

  153. Eugene Debs (Socialist) came in 4th with 6%.

    And in 1920 Debs ran for President from prison (for sedition), winning 3.4% of the vote.

    He received 919,799 votes (3.4% of the popular vote),[1] the most ever for a Socialist Party presidential candidate in the U.S. It was slightly more than his 900,672 total in the 1912 election, which had equaled six percent of the popular vote. (National women’s suffrage in 1920 greatly increased the total number of votes cast.)

    Rip Murdock (c7888c)

  154. Jim Miller (0e46f9) — 4/30/2023 @ 2:50 pm

    Hobby Lobby had the same “Saved by His Grace” full page inside the California section.

    Rip Murdock (b11e59)

  155. The problem with third parties, especially new ones, is getting on enough state ballots to make a difference. Both the Democrats and Republicans have made it very difficult to do so in order to protect their own interests.

    Rip Murdock (c7888c)

  156. The problem with third parties is finding good credible candidates and people not feeling that their candidate(s) can win.

    The goal will be to deny anyone a majority of the Electoral votes,

    I would suggest running different candidates in different states and having the election be decided in the House of Representatives,. Since the House is limited to three, this will encourage people to vote to have a third party candidate carry their state, The Senate can pick the Republican VP, who may be half decent.

    Sammy Finkelman (0e7ef0)

  157. That’s right TR was, or was close to that.

    Sammy Finkelman (0e7ef0)

  158. Right now, anything other than cheering on Biden vs Trump is wishcasting, praying, and/or refusal to accept reality. But I refuse to accept that reality until it is upon us. So, I will continue to agitate for nearly anything else. IF you want to use pejoratives to describe that, fine. But I view than as an attack on me, not my argument that we shoudl do better.

    I disagree for two reasons.

    First, you’re confusing “is” for “ought.” I never said you shouldn’t agitate for a third party. I just said it’s a pipe dream. Agitate to your heart’s content.

    Second, where’s the attack? What’s the insult? If I predict a spate of school shootings, and you accuse me of wishcasting, that’s an attack. Only a terrible person would wish for that. But if I make a low probability but otherwise benign prediction, e.g., the Oakland A’s will win the World Series, and you say I’m wishcasting, I’m not insulted. That’s no attack. It’s just another way of saying, “you’re dreaming.” Likewise your far-fetched but benign prediction of a third-party presidency, which by the way would make me happy if it came to pass.

    I’m not cheering on Biden vs Trump. I’m saying based on the evidence to date, Biden vs Trump is the likeliest outcome. Any change in that reality which doesn’t end with Trump in the White House is OK with me.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  159. Henry Wallace was the last VP dumped, although it happened more usually in the 1800s – with Andrew Jackson, AbrahamLincolnn and US Grant when they ran for a second term (Garner quit voluntarily) unless you count the replacement of Nelson Rockefeller by President Ford,

    Wallace was given the choice of any Cabinet post he wanted and to the surprise of regular Democrats, chose Commerce.

    FDR had temendous political cowardice in 1944 in respect to the VP job.

    Sammy Finkelman (0e7ef0)

  160. I don’t like the No Labels party and feel they won’t pick a good candidate,=

    Sammy Finkelman (0e7ef0)

  161. ….if they pick only one, across the country.

    Sammy Finkelman (0e7ef0)

  162. Biden isn’t going to dump Harris. She’s taken one of the two most useful routes in being a VP, she’s been invisible. I bet half (or more) of the country doesn’t even know who the VP is.

    Nic (896fdf)

  163. Rain, all day yesterday and today, ranging from almost nothing to medium. It got heavy now.

    rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr==================

    Sammy Finkelman (0e7ef0)

  164. “It would cost significant turnout”

    I see this differently. I think it is less likely that the party dumps him. I see an 80+ year old guy who definitely sees himself slowing down and finding it harder to keep up a grueling schedule (and who cn read polls with the best of them) deciding that it’s better for the country and party if someone else takes the nomination. I understand why he had to announce the run…that’s validation for the term. But he can always bow out saying his health is not up to the rigors. No one would fault him and he leaves as a statesman. I can see that fitting his personality.

    AJ_Liberty (dce1e7)

  165. @165. Of course he might bow out if his health really does deteriorate. Not that I rule your scenario in which he uses health as a subterfuge, but I doubt he’d do it merely because he’s unpopular. History is littered with unpopular presidents who won re-election. This one has already beaten his likeliest opponent, and being a politician he has an inordinately high opinion of himself. I doubt he even knows he’s not very smart. For Biden to back out I suspect at minimum he’d want to be convinced that another actual Democrat, not just a hypothetical one, was likelier to win the general election. With no one serious (I’m looking at you RFK Jr) likely to declare and be publicly vetted, I don’t see how the evidence of his/her electoral superiority to Biden could be adduced.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  166. *rule out*

    (Why are the typos so much easier to see after they’re posted?)

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  167. I know that the creator of this site is Catholic, but given this, I say f-ck the Pope. Mr. Bergoglio is on the wrong side.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  168. Republican gov. stitt ends funding in oklahoma for pbs over l-g-b-t-q m-i-c-k-e-y m-o-u-s-e Good riddence now pbs can survive on listerners and can do shows on the racist tulsa massacre and how evil republicans are and what can be done about the racist republicans.

    asset (965961)

  169. I agree that there is no clear alternative and an abrupt Biden exit would likely create a feeding frenzy of ambition. My vision of an orderly mix of moderate governors would be over-run by everyone and their sister trying to fill the void, including the usual hard-left “stars”.

    Still, how does Biden do against a younger opponent like DeSantis (provided he vectors back toward the middle)? If Biden drops out, the Hunter Biden saga returns to page-20 news. Jill doesn’t have to manage every gaffe or senior moment which are coming more frequently. Joe doesn’t have to pretend that the DEM polls suggesting a new candidate is needed don’t exist. As much as Biden might think he’s got the best chance against Trump, he must also acknowledge that he’s one major health crisis away from handing the Presidency back to Trump.

    AJ_Liberty (dce1e7)

  170. Yes, he did. He said he did not email Hunter Biden, and now we have those emails. We also know that his wife, using her private email address when she was a[n] employee of the State Department, was basically a conduit between her husband and Hunter Biden as well. So, again, I think there’s so much more to uncover here.

    Biden officials lying under oath and using private emails to avoid records requirements. Where have we seen that before?

    Nothing to see here.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  171. So, again, I think there’s so much more to uncover here.

    I think Mike Morell did not tell the full truth, or the dull extent of his testimony was not told in the committee press release (he refused to comment on it)

    I don’t think it was an accident that he decided to write and get signatures on that statement that said that the Hunter Biden files had all the earmarks (sic should be hallmarks) of Russian disinformation>

    https://judiciary.house.gov/media/press-releases/new-testimony-reveals-secretary-blinken-and-biden-campaign-behind-infamous

    Within five days of the article, on October 19, 2020, 51 former intelligence officials released a public statement attempting to discredit the contents of the New York Post’s reporting about Hunter Biden, stating that the story “has all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation.” News publications immediately ran with the statement, with Politico publishing a story with the conclusive headline, “Hunter Biden story is Russian disinfo, dozens of former officials say.” During the final presidential debate on October 22, then-Vice President Biden cited the public statement to rebut President Trump’s criticism of the Biden family business dealings.

    NEW INFORMATION:

    The Committees recently conducted a transcribed interview with Michael Morell, a former Deputy Director of the CIA and one of the 51 signatories of the public statement. In his transcribed interview, Morell testified that on or around October 17, 2020, Blinken served as a senior advisor to the Biden campaign and reached out to him to discuss the Hunter Biden laptop story. According to Morell, although your outreach was couched as simply gathering Morell’s reaction to the Post story, it set in motion the events that led to the issuance of the public statement.

    I just don’t think Mike Morell decided on his own to create that statement.

    Sammy Finkelman (0e7ef0)

  172. Democrats have a “Big Lie” of their own

    Oct. 22: In the second of two presidential debates, Biden deployed the Blinken-Morrell statement to rebuff Trump’s accusations of Hunter’s (and, thus, Joe’s) corruption.

    “Look, there are 50 former national intelligence folks who said that what this, [sic] he’s [Trump’s] accusing me of is a Russian plan,” Biden said. “They have said that this has all the characteristics — four — five former heads of the CIA, both parties, say what he’s saying is a bunch of garbage.”

    Morrell testified that Biden campaign chairman Steve Ricchetti soon phoned him: “Steve thanked me for putting the statement out.”

    Mission accomplished: The Laptop from Hell got zipped into a digital body bag. Aside from Fox News viewers and those who actively sought the Post’s updates, most Americans heard little to nothing about Hunter’s computer and its explosive contents.

    Biden’s Big Lie got him elected.

    According to a Nov. 24, 2020, Media Research Center/Polling Company survey of 1,750 Biden voters in seven swing states, 45.1% were unaware of Hunter’s laptop. Among these voters, 9.4% said that such knowledge would have switched their votes from Biden to Trump, a third-party candidate, or nobody.

    Had Biden lost these votes, Trump would have secured Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin; 311 Electoral College votes, and four more years in the White House.

    Last December, TIPP Insights polled 501 adults who followed the Biden-graft story. TIPP asked: “Would knowing the laptop contents were real and not ‘disinformation’ have changed your vote?”

    “Very likely,” 28% replied.

    Assuming, logically, that Hunter’s laptop would have cost Biden votes, losing 28% of his ballots (or even 14%) would have crushed Biden’s chances.

    These surveys confirm that Biden’s Big Lie worked. Antony Blinken’s nudging the CIA’s former chief to recruit 50 more top spies to smear the Post’s laptop story as a Russian hoax was, itself, a hoax. It deceived enough Americans to back Biden and boot Trump.

    This cynical, naked, bald-faced Big Lie is the putrid foundation beneath Biden’s presidency.

    JF (ea6ed2)

  173. People say things would have changed their votes that in reality wouldn’t because they want to say that it matters, And this poll relies on a description of what it says, and means,

    Sammy Finkelman (0e7ef0)

  174. @32

    Whembly, companies engage in politics all the time. The right of ppl to criticize the government and elected officials is protected by the first amendment. This is unlawful retribution for protected speech.

    Time123 (3ece93) — 4/28/2023 @ 1:48 pm

    So, is corporate welfare protected under the 1st Amendment? Particularly a unique welfare that no other like entities enjoys?

    whembly (1a398e)

  175. I agree that there is no clear alternative and an abrupt Biden exit would likely create a feeding frenzy of ambition.

    I don’t understand why we’re so concerned about who the Democrats nominate for President. I would think Biden is the perfect opponent for Republicans. It’s who should be the Republican nominee that is concerning.

    Rip Murdock (c7888c)

  176. whembly, it’s certainly a honey-deal that Florida used to attract Disney and become its biggest employer….but do you believe the bill was retaliation or is it only now that Florida Republicans discovered the deal and believe government needs to oversee Disney operations? Seems like quite the coincidence

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  177. Here’s a list of America’s most (and least) popular governors.

    Eight of the top ten are Republicans, a ratio that I have seen before in these lists. I wonder whether Doug Ducey’s low rating may be more the result of the weird people in Arizona’s Republican Party than anything he did, or didn’t do, in office. (As far as I know he’s been a good governor.)

    Jim Miller (0e46f9)

  178. The problem with third parties, especially new ones, is getting on enough state ballots to make a difference. Both the Democrats and Republicans have made it very difficult to do so in order to protect their own interests.

    Indeed. But Perot did it in 1992 with mostly grass-roots efforts. The LP has done it for decades. The “newspaper” for this activity is Richard Winger’s Ballot Access News.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  179. First, you’re confusing “is” for “ought.” I never said you shouldn’t agitate for a third party. I just said it’s a pipe dream. Agitate to your heart’s content.

    And I reply with a raspberry. I have seen, with my own two eyes, a third party candidate not only get on every ballot but lead in the polls over the two major party candidates. And this at a time with major parties that were not all crazy fukks.

    Again, see here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polling_for_United_States_presidential_elections#1992

    If Perot had not dropped out in mid-summer he might well have won.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  180. @177

    whembly, it’s certainly a honey-deal that Florida used to attract Disney and become its biggest employer….but do you believe the bill was retaliation or is it only now that Florida Republicans discovered the deal and believe government needs to oversee Disney operations? Seems like quite the coincidence

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 5/1/2023 @ 7:39 am

    It’s not a coincidence and it’s obviously a “Will to Power” exercise that is between a large corporation and the government.

    It’s delusional to think that this doesn’t happen daily across the United States, even though it may not hit the public conscious.

    Corporations are always seeking to extract the most favorable relationship possible in their work environment, in order to maximize the profits.

    The problem here, is that Disney chose to engage in the kind of politics that puts their “honey-deal” as you described on the table. Disney is free to do so. Disney is STILL free to do so, even today.

    The FL GOP Legislature, voted in by their constituents with clear mandates that included the Parental Rights law (ie, the misnamed ‘Don’t Say Gay’ bill).

    It took a loud LGBTQ advocates within Disney (mainly from California mind you) to “force” an initially-reluctant CEO to enter this fight against Florida.

    Few things to keep in mind:
    1) Those arguing from the premise that this is a “Don’t Say Gay” bill is not only stretching the truth, but its an easily observable outright lie. No where in the bill’s text does the word “gay” appears.

    2) The voters, particularly parents, are reacting to “sex/gender/orientation” discussions in schools w/o their approval. All this movement is saying, is to leave those kinds of talk with the parents.

    3) There’s a dynamic here that I don’t think get discussed much, and it’s this: Disney is known as a industry for kids and wholesome entertainment. Yet, Disney was advocating that teachers *should* be allowed to talk about “sex/gender/orientation” in their curriculum has cause a visceral reaction against Disney.

    I think most of us would agree, that we should almost always err in favor of the rights on a individual/corporation’s expression. One hard-fast exception, is anything surrounding children. The most dangerous place in the world, is getting in between a child and their parents.

    4) Florida Legislature didn’t even respond with a bill changing the laws over Reedy Creek Improvement Development (RCID) until Disney outright promised that they’ll use their considerable influence to vote out these GOP states congress critters and work to overturn that Parental Right’s law.

    Questions for you @AJ_Liberty – what makes RCID so beneficial to Disney was that they placed their own people on this board. That’s the power that Disney had over their literal kingdom. That kind of board membership is unique to only Disney. No other “Improvement Development” district works like that (ie, The Village, that Nascar district, etc…).

    The new law changes/clarifies quite a bit, but the biggest change is this: The Governor can now nominate board memberships. Frankly, the RCID is still heavily favored to Disney that no other “Improvement Development” in Florida shares. But, Disney does effectively lose control and now must negotiate with board members to manage RCID.

    This isn’t even what most Floridian wanted. Most Floridian wanted the entire RCID district dissolved and for Orlando to take control (like the do for Universal Studios).

    Having said all that, even *if* the changes to RCID is in “retaliation” to Disney’s political advocacy against the Parental Right’s bill, how does the 1st Amendment protect Disney’s RCID interests?

    The other, hard legal question is this: RCID was defacto-Disney but legally? RCID is a separate entity on paper. Florida making changes to RCID, not Disney.

    I do think it’s a compelling legal case and can see Disney prevailing in district courts, but stands a good change in losing at the Court of Appeals.

    whembly (d116f3)

  181. So, is corporate welfare protected under the 1st Amendment? Particularly a unique welfare that no other like entities enjoys?

    whembly (1a398e) — 5/1/2023 @ 6:32 am

    DeSantis didn’t have a problem with Disney’s special district during his first term as Governor and willingly accepted $100,000 in campaign contributions (and hasn’t returned any of the funds) from the company before Disney criticized the Parental Rights in Education Act. Whatever the merits of the special district, its revocation at this point in time sure looks like retaliation.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  182. Most Floridian wanted the entire RCID district dissolved and for Orlando to take control (like the do for Universal Studios).

    Polls?

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  183. Florida oversight board votes to sue Disney as part of the company’s ongoing fight with Ron DeSantis
    ……….
    The five-person Central Florida Tourism Oversight Board voted unanimously to sue Walt Disney World in state court less than a week after the company filed its own lawsuit against both DeSantis and the board, among a handful of other officials.
    ………
    (Board Chairman Martin) Garcia noted that the board’s lawsuit, which is not yet filed, will be in state court in central Florida, which he said is in “our backyard,” a reference to the company filing its lawsuit in Tallahassee.
    ……….
    Board member Ron Peri said he does not like that the board has been portrayed as a political weapon used by DeSantis, or how individual board members have been covered publicly. He specifically referenced a story with an old quote of his that implied he thought drinking tap water could make people gay.
    ………

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  184. https://spacecoastdaily.com/2023/05/real-estate-under-biden-administration-rule-set-to-take-effect-today-it-pays-to-not-pay/

    Biden and his supporters once again punishing the responsible, those with good credit, to subsidize the irresponsible.

    Grasshopper and the Ant is for suckers.

    NJRob (41221e)

  185. Trump Civil Litigation Watch:

    Donald Trump’s attorney began the week by filing a lengthy motion for a mistrial with a detailed list of seven complaints that he claims tilted the scales toward accuser E. Jean Carroll’s allegations that the former president raped her in the mid-1990s. The federal judge in the case unceremoniously shot down that request without comment, however, on Monday morning.

    The motion was “denied,” Senior U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan said.

    Kaplan had not identified any part of the 18-page filing by Trump’s attorney Joe Tacopina, who challenged several of the judge’s pre-trial and evidentiary rulings. The judge simply referred to the motion as one that landed on his desk this morning. Tacopina complained that Kaplan repeatedly sustained several objections of his questions as argumentative and rejected his motions to preclude testimony by writer Natasha Stoynoff, another Trump accuser on Carroll’s witness list.
    ……….

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  186. whembly, will Florida, through its taxpayers, now cover the $1B of Disney debt and will it cover a portion of its $355M that it spends to run the district? Do you think the taxpayers are looking forward to picking up the tab so government can “run” the district?

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  187. @187

    whembly, will Florida, through its taxpayers, now cover the $1B of Disney debt and will it cover a portion of its $355M that it spends to run the district? Do you think the taxpayers are looking forward to picking up the tab so government can “run” the district?

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 5/1/2023 @ 9:12 am

    You are grossly misinformed.

    Disney is still obligated to their previous debts and the cost to run the district. Disney would be obligated to new bonds if the current RCID board allows (with Disney’s blessing of course).

    Here’s the gooey details that the outgoing board member’s last contract is voided:
    https://blogmickey.com/2023/04/desantis-oversight-district-declares-disney-worlds-reedy-creek-contract-null-and-void-approves-superior-authority-resolution/

    whembly (ea5e48)

  188. it happened more usually in the 1800s – with Andrew Jackson,

    Calhoun had been JQ Adam’s VP, and on both Jackson’s slate and Adams’ slate in 1828. His loyalty was suspect.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  189. I don’t like the No Labels party and feel they won’t pick a good candidate,

    The name is kind of condescending, but it might appeal to those who think both major brands suck. I’m a little concerned about their many reasons for backing out — it’s full of out-of-work pros who may just be looking for a payday.

    Their real problem is getting 50-state ballot access BEFORE they have a candidate. That hasn’t happened ever for a new third party, centrist or not, as it’s hard to generate grass-roots support for the player-to-be-named-later. Your worry about who they might pick is probably widely felt. With TR or Perot or Wallace (or even Strom Turmond) you knew what you were getting.

    Having said that, there are qualified candidates currently on the sidelines or already independents. But for every Paul Ryan there’s a Michael Bloomberg, so it’s hard to say.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  190. Really, the bottom line on a third party is this: There has not been a better time to run a centerish candidate than now, with one party running a wild man and the other party running a Chernenko. A vast gulf. Nature abhors a vacuum.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  191. @175, No. but changing the regulatory structure as a reprisal for speech the government doesn’t like is a violation of the first amendment even when there’s no fundamental right to the existing regulatory scheme.

    In a famous case called O’Hare Truck Service, Inc. v. City of Northlake, the Supreme Court ruled 7-2 that local governments cannot revoke benefits—even privileges businesses have no inherent right to—in retaliation for a company’s political opposition

    .”

    This is a good article on the subject.

    Time123 (30934d)

  192. That’s because the Florida Senate’s own financial impact analysis of the bill found that in most cases when a county takes over a special district, it “shall also assume all indebtedness of the preexisting special district.” It’s also why Moody’s gives the debt its highest rating. These differences are settled in a court of law, not on a blog by non lawyers.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  193. Whembly, are you denying that Fl is trying to punish Disney for their political speech are you saying that it’s ok for the reasons you’ve laid out?

    Time123 (30934d)

  194. Disney World at 50: Disney has influenced all aspects of Central Florida life

    – Since opening in 1971, Disney World has influenced so many aspects of Central Florida life

    – The resort’s influence can be seen in everything from the economy to the culture

    ​More than 75 million people visit Orlando every year, with most coming just to visit Disney World. Compare that to the 21 million permanent residents living in Florida, and those numbers highlight just how central Disney World is to Central Florida’s economy, and by extension, our local culture.

    In fact, Walt Disney World is so big, the state of Florida created two new cities just for Disney — Bay Lake and Lake Buena Vista (formerly Reedy Creek).

    Megan Morris actually moved to Orlando in 2013 just for Disney. She’s been a Disney fan ever since she was a little girl, but the Disney culture has become so much more than that. It’s been a lifeline of sorts.

    Morris has a life-threatening genetic disease with a typical life expectancy of 55 years old. She is currently 36.

    Throughout this journey of hardship and hospitalizations, Morris has looked to Disney as a representation of a better tomorrow.

    “There are a lot of circumstances I can’t control but Disney uplifts me a lot during those times,” Morris said.

    After moving to Orlando, Morris got a job at Disney, working there until she had to leave for health reasons. She says her daily route under the Walt Disney World entrance banner always makes her smile and gives her spirits a boost.

    And Morris isn’t alone. UCF Rosen College of Hospitality Management Professor Dr. Carissa Baker also moved to Orlando for Disney, studying theme parks and storytelling.

    “Our identity is so closely linked with this idea of this form of entertainment, of the theme park capitol of the world,” Dr. Baker said.

    It’s one reason why Orlando is the number one tourist destination in the U.S. — a destination that started with a dream 50 years ago.

    Disney World was the vision of Walt Disney and has since grown and expanded to include four theme parks, two water parks, more than a dozen Disney-owned hotels and millions of jobs created.

    With Central Florida welcoming about 75 million visitors a year, every aspect of the area’s economy and identity is tied to Disney World.

    One of the biggest is guest services — “Be Our Guest” and spend your money, if you will.

    UCF Rosen School of Hospitality Management has close ties with Disney and the other theme parks, as many of the school’s graduates go on to work at these parks. “One of the main reasons that we’re here is because Disney World especially started here in the 1970s and there just became a growing need in this area to have a lot of strong hospitality services,” Baker said.

    One of those services? Housekeeping. Renaly Madera is one of thousands of housekeepers working at a Disney hotel. She moved here in 2018 from Puerto Rico to provide a better life for her daughter. Unite Here Local 737 is the union which represents many of Disney’s housekeepers and other staff. Next year, the union’s contract is up and of the biggest sticking points? Income.

    According to the union’s website, in 2017 a housekeeper’s minimum wage was $10.50 an hour or $21,840 a year. In October of this year, the minimum wage jumps to $17 an hour or $35,360 a year. Madera says as a single mother, living off of $10.50 an hour was incredibly difficult. After bills, there wasn’t any extra money left for her daughter.

    “Everything here is expensive. Food, her lunch, I have to go to the market with a calculator- mom, I want this! I said- no, I can’t because of the money,” she said. Money and magic going hand-in-hand. Walt Disney World producing a product that has continued to evolve for the past 50 years.

    https://www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando/news/2021/09/27/disney-s-impact-within-central-florida

    The Mouse that need not roar: How Disney World at 50 shapes Florida, wields influence

    https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/politics/2021/10/14/walt-disney-world-remains-florida-biggest-political-power-50-years-later/5919720001/

    DeSantis is de-idiot.

    DCSCA (95725c)

  195. Knowing that it was real, and that Biden was lying about that in the debate could have switched votes at least to a third party, but not necessarily would have,

    Sammy Finkelman (318437)

  196. Disney is taking Ron DeSantis to court—and they’re probably going to win

    ……….In a new federal lawsuit, the Walt Disney Corporation alleges DeSantis waged a “relentless campaign to weaponize government power” against the company and “orchestrated at every step” a crusade meant to punish Disney for its political views.
    ……….
    According to Ari Cohn, a First Amendment and defamation attorney, “Disney’s complaint sets out, in damning clarity, what was already obvious: Ron DeSantis was peeved that Disney spoke out against a piece of his legislation, and set out on the warpath to get retribution.”
    ……….
    As Cohn went on to point out, “Anyone who claims to care about free speech should be deeply troubled by a government explicitly retaliating against anyone for their political advocacy—whether one agrees with it or not. The right to speak about or against government action is sacrosanct, and every attempt by the government to undermine that right opens the door for more of the same (and sometimes in ways you might not like as much). That some of Florida’s loudest cheerleaders have been quick to accuse government (or private platforms) of censorship when they agree with the speech just demonstrates how fundamentally disingenuous their alleged principles are.”
    ………
    “Courts are often hesitant to examine the motivation behind legislation that doesn’t prohibit or regulate expression on its face. It’s difficult to say whether the chilling effect alleged by Disney will get them over all the hurdles—but if there’s a case in which that might happen, it’s hard to think of a more obvious set of facts,” he continued.
    ………
    “A DeSantis win would not mean that the First Amendment has remained unscathed; it would mean that legislators around the country have a roadmap for punishing speech critical of the government. Nobody should want that,” Cohn said……..
    ……..
    Not only were DeSantis’ actions wildly outside the bounds for anyone who believes in a limited government and free market. They also mark a detrimental turn within the GOP. The party, in complete desperation to win a culture war it’s currently badly losing, has become unmoored from the guiding principles it used to champion.

    Increasingly, we see Republicans who are eager to expand the government’s power and weaponize it against their political enemies. ………
    ……….

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  197. There was an old case about political retaliation involving Governor Huey Long of Louisiana.

    https://www.npr.org/transcripts/746568840

    …. Long then took his attack on the press statewide when he proposed a 2% tax on all newspaper profits.

    MCGUIRE: He said it’s a tax on the lying newspapers. It’s two cents a lie, and they tell millions of them.

    KAPLAN-LEVENSON: Huey Long fought for the tax all the way up to the U.S. Supreme Court, where it was ultimately declared unconstitutional as a violation of the First Amendment.

    https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/497/grosjean-v-american-press-co

    In Grosjean v. American Press Co., 297 U.S. 233 (1936), citing the free press clause of the First Amendment, the Supreme Court invalidated a Louisiana law that imposed a 2 percent tax on the gross receipts of newspapers with circulations of more than 20,000 copies per week.

    But it may not be much of a precedent, since the Court’s opinion said this unique tax amounted to a licensing fee. (so it didn’t decide it on the basis of retaliation)

    Sammy Finkelman (318437)

  198. They will win at trial because it’s a leftist, Obama judge that makes blatantly illegal rulings that get overturned on appeal. But carry on.

    NJRob (41221e)

  199. This Disney thing is hardly new, at least not at a more local level. Let’s say you own a tow truck company and you loudly support Candidate A for mayor and say terrible things about how corrupt Candidate B is. After B wins, you attempt to renew your Police Tow license and find that there are problems and delays.

    Happens all the time.

    I don’t defend what DeSantis has done, and I question his judgement in dialing it up to 11. But Disney tried to sanction a state for the democratic action of its freely elected government, using lies to justify it in the press (some of which they owned).

    To take sides in this is to ignore quite a bit. Either side.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  200. Kevin M (f94f4f) — 5/1/2023 @ 9:39 am

    Calhoun had been JQ Adam’s VP, and on both Jackson’s slate and Adams’ slate in 1828. His loyalty was suspect.

    Calhoun ran pretty much unopposed for Vice President in 1824 choosing to avoid the presidential race. In 1828 he ran with Andrew Jackson and was the choice of all but 7 of the 178 Electors who voted for Andrew Jackson. John Quincy Adams ran with Richard Rush.j They both got 83 Electoral votes.

    Sammy Finkelman (318437)

  201. @199: Not remotely on point.

    Disney is attacking the sovereignty of the state of Florida by sanctioning them for their passing a law legally and democratically.

    DeSantis is attacking Disney not for “free speech” but for its economic actions.

    Both sides have chosen to double down again and again. It’s a pity they can’t both lose.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  202. Sammy, you’re right. Calhoun was on both ballot lines in 24, not 28. My bad.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  203. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/30/opinion/disney-desantis-florida-lawsuit.html

    To understand why Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida should lose in his quest to punish Disney for the high crime of publicly disagreeing with Ron DeSantis, it is first necessary to talk about tow trucks. Specifically, it’s necessary to discuss a case about tow trucks and the First Amendment and how it answers a key question: If the government offers some person or entity a benefit, can it also take it away?

    The tow truck story begins in the early 1990s in Northlake, Ill. For decades the city had maintained a list of tow truck companies available for use by the Police Department. The list worked simply enough — when the police needed towing services, they simply went down the list before each tow, with the next towing company receiving the next call. While towing companies didn’t have a right to be on the list, once placed on it, the city’s policy was to remove companies only “for cause.”

    In 1993, John Gratzianna, the owner of O’Hare Truck Service, declined to support the campaign of the incumbent mayor of Northlake, backing his opponent instead. The mayor then removed Gratzianna’s company from the towing list, and Gratzianna sued….And that brings us back to O’Hare Truck Service. Justice Anthony Kennedy, writing for a 7-2 majority, quoted case law and reaffirmed a clear constitutional principle: “If the government could deny a benefit to a person because of his constitutionally protected speech or associations, his exercise of those freedoms would in effect be penalized and inhibited.”

    “Such interference with constitutional rights,” he added, “is impermissible.”

    It’s not only aa question of rights – doing something like this turns the tow truck business into a form of political patronage, and that’s probably prohibited by some state laws,

    Sammy Finkelman (318437)

  204. In 1824, all candidates ran independently, There were really no parties. The Federalist Party was dead. In 1820, James Monroe had been re-elected practically without opposition. Some history writer later decided to call it :”The Era of Good Feelings.”

    https://npg.si.edu/blog/james-monroe-era-good-feelings#:~:text=In%201817%20Monroe%20became%20the,generation%20to%20hold%20the%20presidency.

    Sammy Finkelman (318437)

  205. The suit (and now counter-suit) have little to do with Disney’s speech or DeSantis’s vendetta.

    The outgoing special district board voted to give all its powers to Disney as the headed for the door.

    The new (DeSantis-appointed board) rescinded that vote and declared the transfer of powers null and void. Disney sued the board. Now, the board has counter-sued Disney. The dispute is over the gift of regulatory power to the regulated entity, and speech by DeSantis or Disney isn’t really on point.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  206. Perhaps, Sammy, but the ballot lines are listed today as if they were a ticket. Calhoun received almost all the votes from Jackson and Adams electors, and almost no votes from Crawford or Clay electors.

    See here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1824_United_States_presidential_election#Vice_presidential_electoral_vote_breakdown_by_ticket

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  207. @207 speech is the explicit reason this is happening.

    Time123 (66af52)

  208. Increasingly, we see Republicans who are eager to expand the government’s power and weaponize it against their political enemies. ………
    ……….
    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 5/1/2023 @ 10:36 am

    the fans of Alvin Bragg and Weissmann and Schiff seem really concerned about this

    JF (1bdfa5)

  209. @207 speech is the explicit reason this is happening.

    Perhaps, but the suit isn’t about the speech, although it’s all you will hear from the pundits because gnarly governance and contract law doesn’t sell papers.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  210. Increasingly, we see Republicans who are eager to expand the government’s power and weaponize it against their political enemies

    Yes, and while the Democrats have done this for a while, its heretical for a supposed small-government party to do this.

    Of course, the GOP has not been a small-government party for most of its existence: TR, Prohibition, the Interstate Highway System, Nixon’s building of the modern regulatory state, W’s spending and giveaways (e.g. restarting farm supports), etc.

    But the rhetoric, right?

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  211. @211, it is. Last section details the 1A claims

    Time123 (89ccab)

  212. @212, ok. But I have no interest in supporting a big government party. I don’t care if it’s big government to increase the safety net, or big government to enforce Christian nationalism. I’m not interested. The deal was “family values, small government, balance budget, national defense.” Take away balanced budget (which we didn’t see at all in the last gop administration) and small government and all that remains is “family values”. Which I don’t think is a legitimate aim for the government to force.

    Time123 (89ccab)

  213. I don’t disagree with you, Time. The two parties are on the same Statist path, differing only in which set of mores they are willing to enforce. Do you want to be bound by Humanist Ethics (constantly updated)? Or Judeo-Christian Ethics from Leviticus (never updated)?

    Again, I argue for working for a centrist choice. Doesn’t matter all that much what it is at this point. At one point I favored the Libertarians, but they went down a rabbit hole years ago and won’t come up.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  214. Libertarians hit the bottom of the rabbit hole and started digging for wonderland.

    Time123 (89ccab)

  215. @207 speech is the explicit reason this is happening.

    Perhaps, but the suit isn’t about the speech……

    See pages 66-72 here for the alleged First Amendment violations.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  216. @194

    Whembly, are you denying that Fl is trying to punish Disney for their political speech

    No.

    are you saying that it’s ok for the reasons you’ve laid out?

    Time123 (30934d) — 5/1/2023 @ 10:08 am

    I’m saying “they can”.

    In fact, I’d say Disney already lost.

    This all started after Disney threatened to defeat anti-woke laws. Not only did Florida pass the original bill, they’ve since enacted more and Disney never even lobbied the legislature.

    They surrendered.

    The remaining disputes are about Disney losing absolute power over RCID.

    I have lots of family (and one really good friend) who lives there and they’ve always told me that most Floridian never really supported Disney’s near total control over RCID. Its just that the issue never really became big enough to get elected officials to do anything about, because most knew that Disney, in the past, supported candidates on both side of the aisle.

    Then, Disney took a “last stand” here, albeit reluctantly. There was no room for compromise on Parental Rights in Education. We either protect children or we don’t.

    There’s no middle ground.

    There really isn’t a sustained backlash anymore locally. Disney is trying for a hail marry to reclaim control over RCID, which I don’t think it’s happening.

    Regarding the 1st Amendment case, I do think Disney will prevail because it’s in front of an extremely favorable judge for them (they forum shopped). However, if they do get a favorable ruling, I can certainly see the 11th Circuit overturning that lower court ruling as Kevin said, it’s really about “regulatory power to the regulated entity”.

    whembly (d116f3)

  217. They will win at trial because it’s a leftist, Obama judge that makes blatantly illegal rulings that get overturned on appeal. But carry on.

    NJRob (41221e) — 5/1/2023 @ 10:51 am

    Not sure who you are talking about; the case was assigned to Judge Martin Fitzpatrick, who is a magistrate judge. Magistrate judges are not appointed by the President but by a majority vote of the active district judges. Fitzpatrick recused himself “because he is related in the “third degree” to someone who is employed by one of the parties……pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 455 (b)(5)(iii).” No other reason was given. The case was reassigned to Magistrate Judge Michael Frank.

    Fail!

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  218. I do think Disney will prevail because it’s in front of an extremely favorable judge for them (they forum shopped)

    Who?

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  219. I doubt they ” forum shopped.” They filed suit in the Northern District of Florid because that is where Disney World is.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  220. Florid= Florida

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  221. .

    There was no room for compromise on Parental Rights in Education. We either protect children or we don’t.

    There’s no middle ground.

    I don’t think the law did much to protect children. I think it did a lot of push gay ppl back in the closet and empower bigots, which seemed to be its desired goal.

    I also think it’s revealing the rights previously stated concerns about free speech to be empty. Even you, one of the more thoughtful ppl I discuss politics with seem to be cheering the state punishing someone for political speech you disagree with.

    Time123 (89ccab)

  222. Speaking of “forum shopping“:

    (Central Florida Tourism Oversight District Board Chairman Martin) Garcia noted that the board’s lawsuit, which is not yet filed, will be in state court in central Florida, which he said is in “our backyard,” a reference to the company filing its lawsuit in Tallahassee.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  223. First Amendment, First Shmamendment. DeSantis is taking a page from his national heroes, Benito Mussolini, Al Capone, and John Gotti. He saw a piece of valuable property owned by a profitable business and he wants to muscle in for a piece of the action. Disney should be suing in RICO.

    nk (83bdb0)

  224. @223

    There was no room for compromise on Parental Rights in Education. We either protect children or we don’t.

    There’s no middle ground.

    I don’t think the law did much to protect children. I think it did a lot of push gay ppl back in the closet and empower bigots, which seemed to be its desired goal.

    I disagree, and that law does exactly ZERO to “push gay ppl back in the closet and empower bigots”.

    It provide clear guidelines on topics that should remain with parent. States has directive to issue such guidelines.

    In fact, I question your judgement on this, as the only other take away I can take from your position, is that you’re okay with school teachers discussing inappropriate sex to kids.

    Is that your position?

    I also think it’s revealing the rights previously stated concerns about free speech to be empty. Even you, one of the more thoughtful ppl I discuss politics with seem to be cheering the state punishing someone for political speech you disagree with.

    Time123 (89ccab) — 5/1/2023 @ 1:54 pm

    I’m not so much cheering, as I’m simply shaking my head on the stupidity on Disney’s part. They literally FA & FO here.

    Disney is not entitled to their corporate welfare.

    whembly (d116f3)

  225. Perhaps, Sammy, but the ballot lines are listed today as if they were a ticket

    In which election?

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  226. One thing that was done wrong even years ago was listing Jefferson and his immediate successors as members of the “Democratic Republican” Party. Congress did that in its historical publications.

    It was actually called, simply, the Republican party. The newly formed Republican Party inn the 1850s took its name from that.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  227. Disney is not entitled to their corporate welfare.

    whembly (d116f3) — 5/1/2023 @ 2:27 pm

    Nobody claims Disney was entitled to receive the discretionary grant in the first place. The question is whether, once granted, the state is permitted to claw it back to punish Disney for its constitutionally protected criticism of the state’s laws and policies. Here’s Anthony Kennedy in his 7-2 opinion in the tow truck case alluded to above,

    “[I]f the government could deny a benefit to a person because of his constitutionally protected speech or associations, his exercise of those freedoms would in effect be penalized and inhibited. This would allow the government to ‘produce a result which [it] could not command directly.’ Such interference with constitutional rights is impermissible.”

    As David French puts it in his informed, persuasive analysis (NY Times paywall):

    [W]hile there are good arguments against governments providing economic inducements and incentives to private corporations, those inducements and incentives cannot then depend on an implied requirement that the corporations agree with the government on matters of public policy. Otherwise, governments could use the power of the purse to create a two-tiered society, granting and withholding government largess on the basis of political agreement.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  228. As David French puts it in his informed, persuasive analysis (NY Times paywall):
    ……
    lurker (cd7cd4) — 5/1/2023 @ 3:33 pm

    Here is a free link to the David French NYT piece.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  229. Disney is not entitled to their corporate welfare.

    Neither was NBC when it threatened NY State and NYC to leave Rockefeller Center and move to better, more financially favorable digs in the Secaucus Meadowlands across the river in New Jersey. A sweet tax deal was cut by NYC and NY ststge… and NBC remains at 30 Rock.

    DCSCA (ef6538)

  230. Review the history of how ol’Walt quietly planned creating WaltDisneyWorld…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_Disney_World

    DCSCA (ef6538)

  231. Here is a free link to the David French NYT piece.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 5/1/2023 @ 3:38 pm

    That’s great. Thanks. Where’s that link from? I’d love to be able to give up my NYT subscription.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  232. That’s great. Thanks. Where’s that link from? I’d love to be able to give up my NYT subscription.

    lurker (cd7cd4) — 5/1/2023 @ 4:33 pm

    It’s a benefit of your NYT subscription; you can share up to 10 articles a month. I didn’t want to deprive the posters here of French’s fact-based commentary. 🙂

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  233. @235. Oh yeah. I keep forgetting about that.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  234. RIP Gordon Lightfoot (84).

    Rip Murdock (c7888c)

  235. “Conservative” French supports the leftist position. In the NY Times no less.

    I’m shocked.

    It’s what they pay him for.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  236. The nation’s spy chief, a longtime college president and top women in finance. The circle of people who associated with Jeffrey Epstein years after he was a convicted sex offender is wider than previously reported, according to a trove of documents that include his schedules.

    William Burns, director of the Central Intelligence Agency since 2021, had three meetings scheduled with Epstein in 2014, when he was deputy secretary of state, the documents show. They first met in Washington and then Mr. Burns visited Epstein’s townhouse in Manhattan.

    Kathryn Ruemmler, a White House counsel under President Barack Obama, had dozens of meetings with Epstein in the years after her White House service and before she became a top lawyer at Goldman Sachs Group Inc. in 2020. He also planned for her to join a 2015 trip to Paris and a 2017 visit to Epstein’s private island in the Caribbean.

    Leon Botstein, the president of Bard College, invited Epstein, who brought a group of young female guests, to the campus. Noam Chomsky, a professor, author and political activist, was scheduled to fly with Epstein to have dinner at Epstein’s Manhattan townhouse in 2015.

    None of their names appear in Epstein’s now-public “black book” of contacts or in the public flight logs of passengers who traveled on his private jet. The documents show that Epstein arranged multiple meetings with each of them after he had served jail time in 2008 for a sex crime involving a teenage girl and was registered as a sex offender. The documents, which include thousands of pages of emails and schedules from 2013 to 2017, haven’t been previously reported.

    Worth reporting some would think.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  237. Conservative French (no scare quotes) supports the First Amendment irrespective of who benefits. Principles over tribe.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  238. virtually invisible rain, or none, with pools of water in places (corners, or spread thin) and large drops on park benches.

    Forecast is: it won’t be dry until Friday. Mostly cloudy, although you could see the moon sometimes at least last night,

    Sammy Finkelman (318437)

  239. lurker (cd7cd4) — 5/1/2023 @ 3:33 pm

    … granting and withholding government largess on the basis of political agreement.

    Don’t say agreement, say support. Or not joining with the opposition to pressure the government, which is the thing that Disney did, because of its workforce, most likely.

    Sammy Finkelman (318437)

  240. @241, at one point I liked him…but his enthusiastic embrace of lake and election denial ended that.

    Time123 (96c904)

  241. Speaking of “forum shopping“:

    In every contract I’ve been involved with, the jurisdiction in which any suit arising hereunder may be filed is a critical point. Generally, we end up with the defendant getting the “home” court.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  242. Newspaper subscriptions:

    Some newspapers notify you before your auto-renewal (at exorbitant rates) is scheduled to occur. Some only notify you after your non-refundable renewal has processed.

    In the latter camp we have the LA Times and The Washington Post. Beware.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  243. April 2023 Emerson College Tracking Poll:

    The latest Emerson College Polling national survey of US voters finds President Biden with a 41% job approval, a three point drop in the President’s approval since the February national poll. As the President announced his reelection bid Tuesday, a majority of Democratic voters (65%) think Biden should be the 2024 Democratic nominee, while 35% think it should be someone else. The share of Democratic voters who think Biden should be the nominee has decreased six points since February, from 71% to 65%.
    ……….
    When presented with announced candidates Biden, Marianne Williamson, and Robert Kennedy Jr., Biden’s support increases to 70%, Kennedy Jr. 21%, and Williamson receives 8%.

    For the Republican nomination, former President Donald Trump’s support in the hypothetical Republican primary is at 62%, followed by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis at 16%. No other candidate reaches double digits. Trump’s 62% reflects an increase in support for the first time in an Emerson national poll since June 2022, where he has held a consistent 55%. Since the February national poll, DeSantis has lost nine points of support, from 25% to 16%.

    In a hypothetical 2024 matchup, Biden narrowly leads Trump 43% to 41%, while 10% would vote for someone else and 6% are undecided. Against DeSantis, Biden holds 43% while DeSantis receives 37%, 12% would vote for someone else and 8% are undecided. Both races are within the poll’s margin of error.
    …………
    All questions asked in this survey with exact wording, along with full results and cross tabulations can be found here.
    ##########

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  244. Republican Primary Voters Think Trump Is More Electable Than DeSantis
    ……….
    In a Morning Consult survey conducted April 20-23, we showed 794 potential Republican primary voters — that is, registered voters who said they plan to participate in the 2024 Republican presidential primary or caucus in their state — a list of 11 declared or potential GOP candidates and asked them who they think has the best chance of defeating Biden in 2024.

    While 25% of potential Republican primary voters picked DeSantis, 54% picked Trump. That 29-point advantage is neatly in line with the consistent lead Trump has held over DeSantis in Morning Consult’s 2024 GOP Primary Tracker for months.
    ………
    ………Confidence in Trump’s electability is more pronounced among the voters who were chiefly responsible for his success in 2016: white voters without a college degree, who constitute the bulk of the GOP electorate in our sampling. A majority of them (60%) say Trump has the best chance of defeating Biden in 2024, compared with just 40% of college-educated whites in the potential primary electorate.

    DeSantis, meanwhile, is seen as the most electable candidate by 22% of whites without a college degree and by 36% of college-educated whites.
    ……….
    As previously mentioned, the survey provided respondents with a number of other potential or declared candidates, including Nikki Haley, Mike Pence, Kristi Noem, Liz Cheney, Glenn Youngkin, Tim Scott, Vivek Ramaswamy and Asa Hutchinson. On the electability question, college-educated whites were twice as likely as whites without a college degree to opt for one of these other names (18% versus 9%). They are also more likely to be politically engaged, vote, and read news about current events and politics. ………
    ………

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  245. @247 the polls in az, ga, mi, and wi. that is where the electoral collage will decide the election.

    asset (ac6b63)

  246. Trump Civil Litigation Watch II-Sad! Edition:

    …….Donald Trump’s attorney officially confirmed on Tuesday that the former president will not testify at his trial.
    ……..
    The judge pressed Tacopina on the topic at proceedings held after the jury was excused from trial on Tuesday, asking him to confirm his list of witnesses.

    Tacopina mentioned only one witness: Texas-based psychiatrist Edgar P. Nace, the defense expert.
    ……..
    “So Mr. Trump will not be coming?” Kaplan asked.

    “That’s right, your honor,” Tacopina replied.
    ………..
    Under the rules of federal civil procedure, Trump is under no obligation to attend trial unless compelled to by Carroll’s subpoena. Carroll appears content to rely on Trump’s deposition, where the former president was recorded in a widely skewered mix-up.

    For years, Trump insisted of Carroll: “She’s not my type,” but the former president mistook Carroll for his ex-wife Marla Maples when shown a photograph during his deposition. The photograph shows Trump, his then-wife Ivana, Carroll, and her then-husband John Johnson. Carroll testified that she believed it was taken at a “Saturday Night Live” party in the late 1980s.
    ………

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  247. Definitely not a cult. Nope. Not at all.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  248. Gonna really miss this guy. What an artist!

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4Iw7Jei8XOo&t=1116s

    Colonel Haiku (df7c7b)

  249. https://www.inquirer.com/author/snyder_susan/

    Leftist media cultist uses her position to go after President of Thomas Jefferson University for not staying in lockstep with the leftist cult. Would it be fair to return the favor?

    She’s inciting a mob against him using the power of the press.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  250. Memo to Disney:
    Put your Donald to work:

    ‘Ven DeSantis sez, Da Kingdom’s a woke place…
    Vee go, ‘Heil! Heil!’ Right in DeSantis’ face…’

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L90smU0SOcQ&t=1s

    DCSCA (43bdc1)

  251. Why look around for the media spin on the election. Rip brings it all here for us. Believe in the polls! Vote like we tell you! Everyone else is, trust us.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  252. Biden’s Baghdad Bob says that illegal immigration is down 90% on his watch.

    Is that because he’s just letting everyone in and saying they are legal?

    Does anyone care?

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  253. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/apr/30/us-drones-protect-bus-convoy-hundreds-americans-fl/

    International news actually affecting Americans. Afghanistan redux?

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  254. Three Russian vessels, with transponders off, were in proximity of where the Nord Stream pipelines blew up, sometime between June and September 2022, and they have the capability of planting explosives on a pipeline 260± feet below the surface.
    Yes, the evidence is circumstantial, so it means that you can’t rule Putin in, but you can’t rule him out.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  255. https://hotair.com/david-strom/2023/05/03/democrats-are-threatening-to-remove-security-funding-for-supreme-court-n547972

    15 communists under the Democrat party banner are trying to remove security protection from the Supreme Court because the Court won’t submit to their radical beliefs. And this is after their radical speech has caused multiple assassination attempts against conservative justices.

    NJRob (bdefc1)

  256. That’s 15 out of more than 200. I don’t know if you can call them Communist, whatever they are..

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  257. 246. Kevin M (f94f4f) — 5/2/2023 @ 9:16 am

    Some only notify you after your non-refundable renewal has processed.

    Or they may claim they notified you – if you contact them before it goes into effect, you may be able to continue at the lower rate.

    Non-refundable? You can always dispute the transaction I think.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  258. whembly (d116f3) — 5/1/2023 @ 2:27 pm to Time123

    (
    I disagree, and that law does exactly ZERO to “push gay ppl back in the closet and empower bigots”.

    ….the only other take away I can take from your position, is that you’re okay with school teachers discussing inappropriate sex to kids.

    Is that your position?

    The whole point, in the eyes of the LGTBQ activists (who dragged Disney along with them) is that what they are discussing is not inappropriate AND that it is important for children, from the earliest age that they can comprehemd it, to realize that regardless of what he parents of that child think.

    As time goes on certain things move from inappropriate to appropriate and nothing to hide, and some other things (particularly involving work or school) the other way.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  259. @262

    LGTBQ activists (who dragged Disney along with them) is that what they are discussing is not inappropriate AND that it is important for children,

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee) — 5/3/2023 @ 7:09 am

    That’s for the parents to determine.

    Not what the activists wants.

    whembly (d116f3)

  260. Is that because he’s just letting everyone in and saying they are legal?

    Yes.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  261. I think an essential part of Ukraine’s plan to end the war (it also probably includes some battlefield defeats of Russia) is to assassinate Vladimir Putin. This was maybe the second attempt.

    Sammy Finkelman (d0f76f)

  262. He’s letting a select group in on parole, (and requiring sponsors, so maybe they are not the same people, but he’s offering some hope to others) and citing aa statistic that applies to only four countries.

    He’s dealing in half truths

    Sammy Finkelman (d0f76f)

  263. whembly (d116f3) — 5/3/2023 @ 7:41 am

    That’s for the parents to determine.

    Not what the activists wants.

    How can that be?

    Everyone seems to agree there is only one true and right system of sexual morality (even if they disagree on what it is)

    Except that the LGBTQ actividts don’t brook aany disagreement in the public square. ‘

    It’s an extension of the opposition to racism (although that is based on the equality or equal worth of all human beings)

    Sammy Finkelman (d0f76f)

  264. https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1653448224517271552?

    The invasion is overwhelming our b9rder and destroying our cities, but it’s not politically useful to discuss so let’s ignore it.

    NJRob (bdefc1)

  265. Admitting people without giving them the right to work and without family is creating problems, but the Republican opposition cannot be trusted to describe the truth or describe what the alternatives are.

    They tell obvious lies about fentanyl and disease and foreign countries letting people out of prison (!) and try to cultivate in the American people the wirst form f==of prejudice,

    Sammy Finkelman (d0f76f)

  266. President Biden, or his administration, per the New York Times is seriously considering an approach to the debt limit which is not legally sound (a habit with Democrats) and could be economically damaging because of that – he thinks this is the safest position for him to take and will blame the Republicans for any fallout but that won’t be where the public will lay the blame.

    Sammy Finkelman (d0f76f)

  267. “During a July 2011 meeting, Hunter was reportedly attempting to negotiate a deal worth billions of dollars with these associates, one of whom was likely a foreign national, with then-Vice President Joe Biden and his deputy chief of staff Alan Hoffman. The individuals present were energy executive David Gamperl and two relatively unknown businessmen named Xi Wang and Andre Lasserre. The meeting was arranged after the trio had previously pitched a lucrative Brazilian bond deal to Hunter Biden, the son of Joe Biden. Two intermediaries, including Sean Conlon — who would later become the co-host of CNBC’s “The Deed” and the founder of Conlon & Co. — facilitated the meeting with the aim of helping Conlon and Hunter’s Rosemont Seneca investment firm “get more bonds to move.”

    On June 22, 2011, Gamperl emailed Conlon about the “substantial profit” being offered by Nagi Ghawi, president of the now-defunct Mercantile Investment Group of the West Indies. Conlon later forwarded the email to Hunter Biden, insisting “We need to put our heads together on this.”

    On the same day, Ghawi proposed a meeting with either then-Vice President Joe Biden or his chief of staff, “ASAP.” In another email forwarded to Hunter Biden by Conlon, Ghawi confirmed his acceptance of a letter of engagement “based on 7% fees + 3% fees as a bonus if the first structured instrument (LTN) is executed within 60 days.” The deal would cover all intermediary fees, with any other fees to be deducted from that amount.“

    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2023/05/03/new-emails-prove-hunter-biden-was-selling-access-to-his-father-n1692250

    Colonel Haiku (85c800)

  268. President Biden, or his administration, per the New York Times is seriously considering an approach to the debt limit which is not legally sound (a habit with Democrats) and could be economically damaging because of that – he thinks this is the safest position for him to take and will blame the Republicans for any fallout but that won’t be where the public will lay the blame.

    Sammy Finkelman (d0f76f) — 5/3/2023 @ 11:35 am

    No different than the trillion dollar coin gambit.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  269. Sammy,

    How many criminal aliens have you brought home?

    Where do you think fentanyl comes from?

    What jobs are illiterate, non-English speakers supposed to do? Live? Who supports them?

    NJRob (bdefc1)

  270. @271. ‘During a July 2011 meeting, Hunter was reportedly attempting to negotiate a deal worth billions of dollars with these associates, one of whom was likely a foreign national, with then-Vice President Joe Biden and his deputy chief of staff Alan Hoffman…’

    LOLOLOLOL Does he even remember being Vice President? Did he like Hoffman better in ‘The Graduate’ or when he went after Nixon in ‘All The President’s Men’ ? And given his history, can he fake it with the famed ‘I don’t recall’ line under oath? “We pause five seconds for our affiliates and station identification… ‘This is the T-D-S Blogovision Network…’” 😉

    DCSCA (ca32e0)

  271. Here’s something different: a lifespan calculator: https://media.nmfn.com/tnetwork/lifespan/index.html#0

    I’m not sure how seriously to take it since it estimated I will live to 102 (103 if I start seeing a doctor regularly. I’ll turn 80 in August.)

    But I think it does give you some idea of what you should be doing if you want to live longer.

    Jim Miller (0e46f9)

  272. Trump Civil Litigation Watch III:

    …….. Donald Trump’s attorney confirmed on Wednesday that the former president will not present a defense case. There were only two potential witnesses on the former president’s list: an expert witness and Trump himself.
    ……..
    The other would-be witness, Texas-based psychiatrist Edgar P. Nace, fell ill, though the details were not specified in the public record. Tacopina confirmed to Senior U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan that Nace will not be able to appear inside federal court in New York by Thursday when Carroll’s case is expected to rest.

    If he testified, Nace would have been expected to try to counter the testimony offered by Carroll’s expert Leslie Lebowitz, a clinical psychologist who has been on the witness stand for the past two days. She told a jury that Carroll has suffered from the effects of trauma for decades, but her symptoms do not rise to the level of post-traumatic stress disorder.
    ………

    Sad!

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  273. NJRob (bdefc1) — 5/3/2023 @ 11:50 am

    What jobs are illiterate, non-English speakers supposed to do? Live? Who supports them?

    Agriculture. Construction with other people who speak their language. Home attendants. Child care. This is not a problem.

    What is stupid is spending enormous amounts of money per client.

    NYC built an emergency shelter on Randall’s Island that met most building codes — then tore it down.

    The problems are legal.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  274. 272. Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 5/3/2023 @ 11:47 am

    No different than the trillion dollar coin gambit.

    The trillion dollar coin(s) gambit s legal, although created accidentally.

    People are taking things off the table in order to try to get their way.

    This is the situation:

    1. Yellen says the drop dead date may be June 1, although historically Treasury has undershot. The estimate was lowered because of fewer tax receipts (owing to the Fed raising interest rates)

    2. Biden called for a meeting on May 9. But he hasn;t changed his position: A clean debt ceiling rise, while agreeing to separate budget decisions. McConnell is not getting involved. Schumer opposes a short term debt limit increase. McCarthy has barely passed a bill, which raises the debt ceiling while cutting things republicans regard as unpopular or unnecessary. like most of the “Anti-Inflation” act passed last year. Democrats in the House are planning a discharge petition to force a vote in the House. The strategy was semi-secret. A bill was written back in January that would get referred to many committees – they started the clock but the bill cannot possibly be passed till June 12 or 13.

    3. Biden is considering the claim that the 14th amendment authorizes the Treasury to borrow without consent of Congress. This theory has been around for ten years. It is as bad law as the sovereign citizen claim but it has been strenuously argued

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/02/us/politics/debt-limit-us-constitution.html

    “the validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.”

    It’s got three big things wrong with it:

    o it merely means that the debt cannot be repudiated

    o It doesn’t authorize any borrowing

    0 The debt can be paid without more borrowing (Yellen claims it’s just as bad not to pay anything on time “in the eyes of the market”)

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  275. 277… gosh, Sammy… nothing that a lawyer can’t resolve.

    /sarc

    Colonel Haiku (85c800)

  276. The new debt could be repudiated because not authorized by law

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  277. If anyone spent money or borrowed money without authorization from a law ppassed by Congress, they’d be violating the Anti-Deficiency Act.

    The only reason it’s even legal at all times to spend money to pay back the debt is that Congress made a permanent appropriation for that purpose in 1847.

    But any level of borrowing has not been authorized most of the time.

    Sammy Finkelman (d0f76f)

  278. Col Haiku: The things creating a difficulty are legal.Prohibitions and mndates and the fact that budgets are exactly balanced. How else could such a small number of people create a semi-crisis. (which the Republicans propose solving by a combination of waving a magic wand and cruelty

    Sammy Finkelman (d0f76f)

  279. Adams has reiterated that NYC is a Sanctuary City, Sammy. He needs to stop complaining and step up.

    The Biden administration has severely worsened the illegal immigration problem. Put the blame where it belongs. Stop the distractions.

    Colonel Haiku (85c800)

  280. The Obama Administration had a simple fallback position in the event they could not raise the debt ceiling:

    1> Pay the federal debt duw,

    2. Don’t prioritize the rest by category but by date due, Say the US government cannot make al payments it is supposed to make on Friday, June 16. Postpone checks/direct deposits till the next business day (June 20) and simply trail by one day or two days till thiss gets resolved.

    zin the case of salaries you could even arrange with banks for tthe banks to give interest free loans to their customers, J P Morgan Chase does this now (new feeature) Credits accoubt two days early

    https://www.chase.com/personal/secure-banking/deposit#:~:text=is%20%22early%22%3F-,Early%20direct%20deposit%20is%20a%20service%20that%20comes%20with%20your,submits%20the%20information%20to%20us.

    Sammy Finkelman (d0f76f)

  281. Debt ceiling showdown: 5 possible outcomes
    ………
    The impasse leaves the country with at least five possible scenarios: Biden and House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) reach a deal on the debt ceiling; rank-and-file lawmakers make an end run around congressional leadership; Congress passes stopgap legislation to delay a default; the White House acts unilaterally to resolve the crisis; or the United States defaults.
    ……..
    Biden and Democrats want a “clean” debt limit bill — legislation to increase the government’s borrowing authority without preconditions. That would buoy Wall Street stocks and boost consumer confidence, said Chris Rupkey, chief economist at research company FWDBonds.

    But lawmakers would have to revisit debt limit legislation again, probably within one or two years. That would mean another round of tense negotiations, possibly even before the 2024 presidential elections.
    ………
    The legislation passed by the House does not specify which federal programs could lose funding. Lawmakers might have to work that out through a separate budget process.
    ………
    Democratic lawmakers have quietly worked for months to set the stage for a long-shot end run around McCarthy and Biden.

    Through an arcane device called a “discharge petition,” lawmakers could call a bill to the House floor without the approval of the speaker. That maneuver would require the support of 218 members. A backbench Democrat, Rep. Mark DeSaulnier (Calif.), introduced a bill in January designed for such a purpose.

    The odds of success for a discharge petition are slim. ……..

    Congress could pass a bill to temporarily “suspend” the debt ceiling for several weeks or months to give lawmakers and the White House more time to negotiate a deal.

    If lawmakers decided to, they could suspend the debt ceiling until the end of September. That would align a new debt ceiling deadline with another deadline: the budget. ……..
    ………
    Neither Republicans nor Democrats, (Michael Strain, director of economic policy studies at the American Enterprise Institute) said, want to haggle over the debt ceiling twice in a short span, lest they get blamed for fruitless and protracted negotiations with the economy hanging in the balance.
    ………
    There are two main options for the Biden administration to act by itself to resolve the debt limit question, although the White House has not said it is considering either scenario.

    First, Biden could order the U.S. Mint to create something like a coin worth $1 trillion. The White House could then deposit the coin with the Federal Reserve and use that money to pay the government’s bills. But that poses significant downsides, experts say.

    The first is that the Federal Reserve would need to accept the coin…….

    The second is inflation. If $1 trillion in new money suddenly appears, the other currency in circulation becomes less valuable. That could hurt consumers, who are already dealing with price inflation.
    ………
    Strain said that invoking the 14th Amendment would be a “reasonable argument” for the White House to make, given a straightforward reading of the 155-year-old text. And while markets would likely get spooked on the news, it would be temporary, he said, because the decision would resolve a larger issue about the future of the debt ceiling.

    “I think a world without a debt limit would be a better world,” Strain said. “This would take us to that world.”

    ………It would almost certainly face a legal challenge, Strain said, and could pit one branch of government, the executive, against another, the legislative.

    Congress could argue that debt issued by the president’s administration was illegal, and investors would be left to sort out the confusion while the courts deliberated.
    ………
    If no deal is reached, Congress doesn’t act, and the White House doesn’t do something unilaterally, it’s likely the government wouldn’t have enough money to pay all of its bills. It would “default” on some of its obligations. ……..

    ……….The government would be under tremendous pressure from Wall Street to prioritize payments to debt holders, but that could be a political headache, for example, if the White House authorizes payments to foreign governments that hold U.S. debt before making payments to older Americans who are due Social Security benefits. Rating agencies would probably downgrade U.S. debt. Interest rates would probably spike.

    Rupkey believes that within hours of a default, investment markets would fall 5 to 7 percent — erasing trillions of dollars in value…….
    ……….
    The swift economic downturn, Strain said, could spur Congress to quick action, and it would give Biden significant leverage to demand a bill without spending cuts. ………
    ##########

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  282. Looks like Justice Thomas has some more ‘splaining to do.
    IANAL, but I’m pretty sure it’s not kosher to have a sugar-daddy billionaire pay for a judge’s grandnephew’s $6,000/month private school tuition, perhaps more than $150k worth.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  283. A gift to a foster child is a gift to the child, not to the foster parent. The foster parent can manage it for the child, but if he claims it as his property, he is committing several different crimes.

    nk (8e3e79)

  284. And how come they be going after the prep-school grandnephew and not the imprisoned drug-dealer nephew? Didn’t nobody done give nothing to him?

    nk (8e3e79)

  285. #286

    Usually ethics rules apply to spouses, parents, children and siblings. Grand nephews are more remote, particularly if Thomas never adopted the kid in any way. So Thomas may have got away with something here but I don’t see how the ethics rules touch him, particularly if Crowe paid the fees directly.

    By the way, google the school the kid went to. It’s…interesting.

    Appalled (7447aa)

  286. Reform school, not prep school?

    nk (8e3e79)

  287. A gift to a foster child is a gift to the child, not to the foster parent.

    Thomas was the grandnephew’s legal guardian, responsible for his education, which Thomas left his sugar-daddy to pay for. How is that kosher, nk?

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  288. Because the money was spent on the kid, not Thomas, and directly on the kid, not through Thomas.

    nk (8e3e79)

  289. And I’m pretty sure the Thomases were required to report periodically what was going on with the kid to a court or county guardian or someone like that, which would have included the kid’s education and who was paying for it. But that’s not the form ProPublica wants to look at.

    nk (8e3e79)

  290. Look, all this is about a vacancy on the Court while Biden is still President with a Senate majority, and they have picked Thomas as the softest target to harass into resigning.

    Hang tough, Ginni! Girl, you know you still got it!

    nk (8e3e79)

  291. It was money that Thomas would’ve otherwise spent, but then didn’t have to.
    Look, I know that Thomas’ detractors have been trying to detract him from serving on our highest bench since his “high-tech lynching” remarks, but that should mean that he needn’t give them the ammunition, and he and his delusional wife aren’t helping themselves.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  292. @291

    Thomas was the grandnephew’s legal guardian, responsible for his education, which Thomas left his sugar-daddy to pay for. How is that kosher, nk?

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 5/4/2023 @ 7:07 am

    You’re going to need to explain how this violates any ethics.

    I mean, you can look at it several ways.

    This looks like its a gifts from the Harlans based on an obvious relationship (Thomas’ and Harlans are known friends).

    Again, there’s no cases in past nor current that affects the Harlans.

    Why this “gift” is such a problem to you?

    whembly (d116f3)

  293. Paul, does ProPublica have any ‘splaining to do…” exposé on other Justices?

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/liberal-scotus-justice-took-3m-from-book-publisher-didnt-recuse-from-its-cases

    BuDuh (047c66)

  294. Ya’ll need to stop playing the lefts game in trying to high-tech lynching of Thomas:
    https://twitter.com/MarkPaoletta/status/1654086444594483200

    STATEMENT OF MARK PAOLETTA, FRIEND OF JUSTICE THOMAS

    The Thomases have rarely spoken publicly about the remarkably generous efforts to help a child in need. They have always respected the privacy of this young man and his family. It is disappointing and painful, but unsurprising that some journalists and critics cannot do the same.

    The Thomases—quietly and honorably—devoted twelve years of their lives to helping a beloved child in desperate need of love, support, and guidance. In 1997, Justice Thomas and his wife brought their great nephew to live with them. They agreed to take in this young child much as Justice Thomas’s grandparents had done for him and his brother in 1955. Justice Thomas’s grandparents changed the trajectory of his life, and the Thomases hoped to do the same for a child in need.

    Justice Thomas and his wife made immeasurable personal and financial sacrifices and poured every ounce of their lives and hearts into giving their great nephew a chance to succeed. In the summer of 2006, the Thomases were struggling to find a school where they could send their great nephew. In discussing these challenges with their dear friends, Harlan and Kathy Crow, Harlan recommended that the Thomases consider one more option: sending their great nephew to Randolph Macon Academy. Harlan had attended Randolph Macon, and he thought the school would be a good fit.

    Harlan had financially supported Randolph Macon since the 1980s, and funded scholarships for students from disadvantaged backgrounds. Harlan offered to pay the first year of Justice Thomas’s great nephew’s tuition in 2006, and that payment went directly to the school. Harlan Crow’s Office confirmed that he did not pay the great nephew’s tuition for any other year at Randolph Macon.

    After some time, Randolph Macon recommended the great nephew attend a boarding school in Georgia for one year. Harlan offered to pay the first year of tuition for their great nephew at the Georgia school, and again, those tuition payments went directly to the school.

    By the next school year (2009), the Thomases’ great nephew returned to Randolph Macon. He moved back to Savannah in December 2009, after he turned 18. The Thomases love their great nephew. It is despicable that the press has dragged him into their effort to smear Justice Thomas.

    This story is another attempt to manufacture a scandal about Justice Thomas. But let’s be clear about what is supposedly scandalous now: Justice Thomas and his wife devoted twelve years of their lives to taking in and caring for a beloved child—who was not their own—just as Justice Thomas’s grandparents had done for him. They made many personal and financial sacrifices to do this. And along the way, their friends joined them in doing everything possible to give this child a future.

    Harlan Crow’s tuition payments made directly to these schools on behalf of Justice Thomas’s great nephew did not constitute a reportable gift. Justice Thomas was not required to disclose the tuition payments made directly to Randolph Macon and the Georgia school on behalf of his great nephew because the definition of a “dependent child” under the Ethics in Government Act (5 U.S.C. 13101 (2)) does not include a “great nephew.” It is limited to a “son, daughter, stepson or stepdaughter.” Justice Thomas never asked Harlan Crow to pay for his great nephew’s tuition. And neither Harlan Crow, nor his company, had any business before the Supreme Court.

    This malicious story shows nothing except for the fact that the Thomases and the Crows are kind, generous, and loving people who tried to help this young man.

    whembly (d116f3)

  295. I heard a statement which can be transformed into an argument: If Michael Cohen paying Stormy Daniels with his own money is a campaign contribution, then surely paying off Hunter Biden’s tax debts, paying for lawyers, arranging for him to become an artist and all the other things are also unreported, over the limit campaign contributions to Joe Biden’s campaigns.

    Possible defenses:

    1. He was a personal friend of Hunter or someone in his family.

    2. He gave nothing – it is all on credit.

    3. They are unco-ordinated independent expenditures.

    It really has to rest on #3, and they probably found a way to thread a number of needles. They’d probably have to break attorney-client privilege to find proof of co-ordination and nobody came to prosecutors with an accusation, which is about the only way an investigation of the help Hunter Biden got from one or more Democratic contributors could get started,

    By the way, Michael Cohen is in the clear also unless Donald Trump approved his payment in advance, which MC claims but DT denied – and he’d have no reason to believe MC would be willing to do that.

    Sammy Finkelman (d0f76f)

  296. There is no way to draft conflict of interest rules or laws that will capture all serious conflicts of interest, and it is easy to be too inclusive.

    You have to rely on other things than pre-codified rules.

    Sammy Finkelman (d0f76f)

  297. A “dependent child” probably has to be anyone who could be claimed as a dependent on a federal tax return.

    Some children are virtually automatic but other people can be claimed if more thaan half of the support comes from the tax filer.

    Clarence Thomas probably made too much money to actually claim the child as adependent even if he could.

    Sammy Finkelman (d0f76f)

  298. You’re going to need to explain how this violates any ethics.

    No, I really don’t, because I asked the initial question: How is it kosher that a billionaire Friend of Clarence covered the $6,000/month nut for the education of the yute under his guardianship?

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  299. Paul, does ProPublica have any ‘splaining to do…” exposé on other Justices?

    No, just like Dana isn’t obligated to write open thread items to satisfy NJRob’s political culture war preferences.
    ProPublica’s bias is no secret, yet there doesn’t seem to be any dispute that Mr. Crow’s made the payments.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  300. Sammy the New Yorker is finally upset with the lack of support for immigrants now that it affects New York. When California made the same complaints back in the 90s (before it was overwhelmed), New York and the rest of the crooked East told them “tough sh1t!”

    Now the chickens are home to roost and New York is discovering the problems 30 years too late.

    Tough sh1t.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  301. whembly (d116f3) — 5/4/2023 @ 8:08 am

    Again, there’s no cases in past nor current that affects the Harlans.

    After exhaustive examination, they found a case where a denial of certiorari might possibly affect Harlen Crow.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/bloomberg-flings-mud-at-clarence-thomas-harlan-crow-supreme-court-business-cert-petition-2df8b193

    Bloomberg’s Zoe Tillman, “with assistance by Greg Stohr,” “reviewed dozens of state and federal cases involving companies that the Crow family has owned or had a financial stake in since Thomas’ 1991 confirmation.” The duo’s digging was certainly exhaustive, and the proof is that what they turned up was utterly trivial—one case the high court didn’t hear, in which a litigant had a family connection to Mr. Crow.

    In 2004 the justices received a petition for a writ of certiorari—a request to hear an appeal—of a copyright ruling from the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals, Womack+Hampton Architects LLC v. Metric Holdings LP. A Texas lawyer filed a brief in opposition on behalf of “Trammell Crow Entities and Individuals,” including Metric Holdings.

    So they say Justice Thomas should have recused himself.

    But the catch is, a recusal in a decision about certiorari has exactly the same effect as a denial. And denying that petition benefited the litigant related to the Crows,

    Sammy Finkelman (0691d7)

  302. Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 5/4/2023 @ 8:51 am

    More:

    Former Proud Boys chairman Henry “Enrique” Tarrio and three other members of the extremist group were found guilty Thursday of seditious conspiracy in the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol.

    A jury deliberated for seven days in Washington before finding Tarrio, 29, and the others guilty on 31 of 46 counts. The jury handed down not guilty verdicts on four counts and returned to deliberate on a remaining 11 counts. The result was another decisive victory for the Justice Department in the latest of three seditious conspiracy trials held after what it called a historic act of domestic terrorism.

    Over nearly 15 weeks of trial, prosecutors alleged that the Proud Boys on trial saw themselves as Trump’s “army.” Inspired by his directive to “stand by” during a September 2020 presidential debate and mobilized by his December 2020 call for a “wild” protest when Congress met to certify the election, prosecutors said the men sought to keep Trump in power through violence.

    Defense attorneys for Tarrio fought back by blaming the former president, saying prosecutors made the five defendants scapegoats for an unplanned riot triggered by Trump’s incitement of angry supporters.
    ……….
    ……….The charges included conspiring to oppose by force the lawful transition of power from Donald Trump to Joe Biden after the 2020 presidential election, conspiring to obstruct Congress’s confirmation of the election result, and actually obstructing the joint session of Congress. The legal maximum penalty for either seditious conspiracy or the obstruction charges is 20 years in prison.
    ……….
    The verdict concludes the last of three Jan. 6 seditious conspiracy trials, the most high-profile cases stemming from the largest prosecution in U.S. history. ……….

    Of course, what the Proud Boys believed that what the former President wanted and Trump’s own belief are two different things.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  303. How is it kosher that a billionaire Friend of Clarence covered the $6,000/month nut for the education of the yute under his guardianship?

    And I answered it at 292 and 293:

    Because the money was spent on the kid, not Thomas, and directly on the kid, not through Thomas.
    nk (8e3e79) — 5/4/2023 @ 7:34 am

    And I’m pretty sure the Thomases were required to report periodically what was going on with the kid to a court or county guardian or someone like that, which would have included the kid’s education and who was paying for it. But that’s not the form ProPublica wants to look at.
    nk (8e3e79) — 5/4/2023 @ 7:41 am

    My turn: How is it that a chicken which has its throat slit with a blunt-pointed knife is kosher, but one which was killed with a sharp-pointed knife is not?

    nk (fb05db)

  304. And I’m pretty sure the Thomases were required to report periodically what was going on with the kid to a court or county guardian or someone like that, which would have included the kid’s education and who was paying for it. But that’s not the form ProPublica wants to look at.

    nk (8e3e79) — 5/4/2023 @ 7:41 am

    Assumes facts not in evidence.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  305. It is impossible that it could cause a problems – talk radio has been screaming about illegal aliens since 1974 – without some alteration in the lws or procedures. They are just not telling us what it is. Most likely it is their being admitted into the United States sort of legally but without the right to work legally and without any attemppt to find sponors. Then we have the right to shelter laaws in New York State,
    ‘After the ast big surge last fall, many men accepted offers to work illegally in Florida and then the city tore down the emergency shelter they buillt on Randall;s Island.

    Sammy Finkelman (0691d7)

  306. a coin worth $1 trillion

    Why stop there? Make 31 of them and buy back all our debt! Problem solved!

    (except for the world viewing it as a massive default, Wiemar-level inflation, and the dollar losing ANY status it once held. Shortly to be followed by the New Dollar, with some number of zeros lopped off)

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  307. nk (fb05db) — 5/4/2023 @ 9:02 am

    How is it that a chicken which has its throat slit with a blunt-pointed knife is kosher, but one which was killed with a sharp-pointed knife is not?

    Isn’t it the opposite?

    But it might be that there could be very specific regulations about the knife, in which you could find two knives where the sharper knife is no good and the less sharp one is.

    It was very logical long long ago to make soecific regulations about the knife,

    Sammy Finkelman (0691d7)

  308. I have no opinions about chickens and Jewish rendering practices, but I would find it equally un-kosher if Ketanji Jackson’s sister’s kids had a free ride at a swank private school, courtesy of George Soros.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  309. ProPublica is a “progressive” front group. This is like a Newsmax expose of Justice Jackson.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  310. By the way, Michael Cohen is in the clear also unless Donald Trump approved his payment in advance

    No, he isn’t cause he plead guilty. Then he plead Trump guilty, too.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  311. Proud Boys Enrique Tarrio, 3 others guilty of Jan. 6 seditious conspiracy

    More to testify against Trump, for a sentence reduction. If you don’t think they will, go talk to James McCord.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  312. ProPublica is a “progressive” front group. This is like a Newsmax expose of Justice Jackson.

    Is ProPublica Progressive? Yes. Are they a left-wing equivalent of Newsmax? No.

    ProPublica
    Bias Rating: LEFT-CENTER
    Factual Reporting: HIGH
    MBFC Credibility Rating: HIGH CREDIBILITY

    Newsmax
    Bias Rating: RIGHT
    Factual Reporting: LOW
    MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  313. Assumes facts not in evidence.

    Knows guardianship law.

    nk (fb05db)

  314. Paul,

    Thanks for bringing up my name for no reason. It’s appropriate that you once again attack a stalwart Conservative Justice using leftist smears while ignoring any activity done by leftist judges, the left8st president or his staff.

    But you’re “conservative.”

    Pull my other leg birdie.

    NJRob (011d6b)

  315. but I would find it equally un-kosher if Ketanji Jackson’s sister’s kids

    It would be the sister’s daughter’s kids. Why would this bother you if Soros had no matters before the court?

    Do you think that a Justice will be swayed by a few thousand dollars of generosity? If they would, they should not be on the court in the first place. People of high character would not be vulnerable to this kind of persuasion.

    Of course, this is character-assassination, brought by people up to no good and themselves subject to FAR more influence than they allege, and propagated by the usual fellow travelers and so forth.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  316. Paul pulling out the leftist fact check to support the leftist site.

    Thanks.

    NJRob (011d6b)

  317. a coin worth $1 trillion

    I think making them worth $100 billion each would be better – would allow the Secretary of the Treasury to fine tune things better.,

    And $1 trillion would not be enough to push away the issue of the debt ceiling past the year 2024.

    Kevin M (f94f4f) — 5/4/2023 @ 9:07 am ,

    Why stop there? Make 31 of them and buy back all our debt! Problem solved!

    This could create an apprehension of hyperinflation, because there would be no limits, and besides, as Alexander Hamilton said I think, we need to have some federal debt outstanding because it is an extremely risk free security.

    (except for the world viewing it as a massive default, Wiemar-level inflation, and the dollar losing ANY status it once held. Shortly to be followed by the New Dollar, with some number of zeros lopped off)

    It’s not a default, The Biden Administration is trying to argue that delaying Social Security payments or federal pay by even one day is a default, but federaal pay has been delayed before,

    They’ll most likely do the option of paying debts traded inn the market and otherwise paying only when they can make all the payments scheduled for that day, trailing behind first one business day then two, etc while Biden would be pledging to veto anything that is not a clean debt limit rise for whatever period of time. He’s not going to undo his most prized piece of legislation. He might agree to budget cuts later, making sure the public blamed the Republicans for them, in conjunction with the budget or continuing resolution in September.

    The Republican proposal by the way is pure political symbolism which they might characterize as a start.

    Estimates change more than their cuts would,

    Sammy Finkelman (0691d7)

  318. @317: Does that site list themselves?

    Go look at Propublica’s board. Do you consider Louis Henry Gates “center-left” or even-handed when it comes to Justice Thomas.

    It is part of a concerted effort to drive him off the court, one that started at his confirmation hearings and has generally not let up. Fess up, Paul, you never saw him as legitimate.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  319. Isn’t it the opposite?

    Blunt-pointed, not blunt-edged, Sammy. The edge has to be sharp and nick-free, but the knife can only cut, not stab.

    nk (fb05db)

  320. Thanks for bringing up my name for no reason.

    But that’s what you do, Rob. That, and name-call anyone you disagree with as “leftist” or “socialist”, which is what you just did.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  321. BTW, it’s only a “smear” if it’s false, Rob, and no one has disputed that Crow didn’t pay the kid’s tuition. What I am hearing is basic garden-variety ad hominem, only you’re whining about it the most.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  322. More to testify against Trump, for a sentence reduction. If you don’t think they will, go talk to James McCord.

    Kevin M (f94f4f) — 5/4/2023 @ 9:20 am

    In order for Trump to be convicted of seditious conspiracy, the government would need to show communication between the Proud Boys and himself. A wink and a nod is not sufficient. If such communication existed, you would think the PB would have introduced it into evidence and called Trump as a hostile witness in their defense. Given the fact that Trump is notoriously famous for not putting things in writing (such as emails and private texts), I doubt such evidence exists.

    As I said, it doesn’t matter what the PB believed Trump meant, the only thing that is important is what Trump himself meant.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  323. More to testify against Trump, for a sentence reduction. ……..

    Kevin M (f94f4f) — 5/4/2023 @ 9:20 am

    More like other Trump supporters taking the rap and being hung out to dry.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  324. BTW, it’s only a “smear” if it’s false, Rob, and no one has disputed that Crow didn’t pay the kid’s tuition.

    A half-truth is a lie, Paul. And this only aspires to be a half-truth.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  325. you would think the PB would have introduced it into evidence and called Trump as a hostile witness in their defense

    Why? It would not have helped their case. In fact it would have cemented their guilt. NOW that they have been convicted, arguing that they were acting under presidential direction might reduce their culpability (and sentence) but it would not absolve them of the crime.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  326. More like other Trump supporters taking the rap and being hung out to dry.

    More like Cohen, with an actual crime to allege.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  327. This is how this sh*t is tried and how it ultimately fails…

    https://twitter.com/PolitiFact/status/1653749253720666115

    Colonel Haiku (c4dc82)

  328. Kevin M (f94f4f) — 5/4/2023 @ 9:30 am

    It is part of a concerted effort to drive him off the court,

    Not really that, although it can look like that.

    It’s part of an effort to drive up Democratic voter turnout.

    Sammy Finkelman (0691d7)

  329. …….arguing that they were acting under presidential direction might reduce their culpability (and sentence) but it would not absolve them of the crime.

    The PB actually considered subpoenaing Trump exactly to make that argument:

    In a long-shot move, lawyers for five members of the Proud Boys facing sedition charges in connection with the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol are seeking to issue a subpoena demanding that former President Donald J. Trump appear as a witness at their trial.

    The lawyers are hoping to elicit testimony from Mr. Trump that could persuade the jury that he, rather than their clients, instigated the crowd that stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6. Prosecutors have built their case against the five Proud Boys by arguing that they induced dozens of members of the far-right group and others in the mob that day into taking action against a joint session of Congress where lawmakers were certifying the results of the 2020 election.
    ………
    ……… Their lawyers contend that because the government has accused the defendants of inciting others to join them in attacking the Capitol as “tools of the conspiracy,” they have a right to rebut the claim by presenting the jury with an alternate theory.

    Needless to say, it never happened. I doubt that the PB have anything to offer that would justify a sentence reduction, unless they can provide direct proof of Trump’s involvement.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  330. A half-truth is a lie, Paul.

    What’s only “half true” about a kid under Thomas’ wing getting a $6,000k/month free ride at a private school, courtesy of his billionaire friend?

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  331. It’s part of an effort to drive up Democratic voter turnout.

    Because the Democratic voters believe there is a concerted effort to drive him off the court?

    Or something unrelated?

    BuDuh (047c66)

  332. More like Cohen, with an actual crime to allege.

    Cohen made his own bed and pled guilty. Others, like the Build the Wall guys and the fake electors, are disposable.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  333. Why are you sweating a “free ride” so much, Paul? If it was free, then there is no possible quid pro quo.

    Any comment on Sotomayor?

    BuDuh (047c66)

  334. “Not really that, although it can look like that.

    It’s part of an effort to drive up Democratic voter turnout.”

    It’s past time, Sammy, for you to embrace the awesome power of “and”.

    Colonel Haiku (c4dc82)

  335. “$3M” Sotomayor?

    Colonel Haiku (c4dc82)

  336. Exactly Haiku. The extent to which leftist “fact checkers” lie to our face to cover for each other never ceases to amaze. And then “conservatives” cite those lies as facts for cover.

    NJRob (011d6b)

  337. How many times does Propublica have to release “bombshells” attacking the Right, that are quickly debunked, before their rating becomes

    Bias Rating: LEFT
    Factual Reporting: MIXED
    MBFC Credibility Rating: QUESTIONABLE

    Answer: never. “By any means necessary” includes damn lies.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  338. Much like when Frenchy made the “conservative case” for child mutiliation by supporting trannying kids as individual rights.

    Just happens to perfectly support the wicked left’s agenda… from a conservative perspective of course.

    NJRob (011d6b)

  339. Paul, if a wealthy distant relative of the child, that had no business before the court, paid for the 1st year tuition, would you or ProPublica still be so gobsmacked?

    BuDuh (047c66)

  340. Why are you sweating a “free ride” so much, Paul? If it was free, then there is no possible quid pro quo.
    Any comment on Sotomayor?

    It was free to the kid, BuDuh, but Clarence was also freed from shelling out $6k/month, thanks to said billionaire.
    I don’t have a comment yet on Sotomayor. Do you have something in particular?

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  341. Paul, if a wealthy distant relative of the child, that had no business before the court, paid for the 1st year tuition, would you or ProPublica still be so gobsmacked?

    It’s as I didn’t make a comment about Judge Jackson.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  342. I left you a link on Sotomayor.

    BuDuh (047c66)

  343. What’s only “half true” about a kid under Thomas’ wing getting a $6,000k/month free ride at a private school, courtesy of his billionaire friend?

    That it excludes 12 years prior of guardianship and upbringing, and then finding it necessary to put him in a more structured environment and being unable to shoulder the cost.

    That it excludes the fact that the payments were only for one year, and the rest was paid by Thomas.

    That it excludes the fact that the benefactor did not have cases before the court.

    That it ignores Propublica’s motives for his in-depth investigation of theirs.

    =======

    People with kinds in expensive schools often reach out to relatives and friends for financial help. My parents reached out to several of my uncles to help fund my college education (along with the scholarships and side-work I did, my parents were lower-middle-class putting a kid through a 1st rank private college).

    I view this charge as rank politics. That you propagate it is telling.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  344. Your comment on Jackson mentioned Soros. Is Soros a distant relative of Jackson’s nieces and nephews in your hypothetical?

    BuDuh (047c66)

  345. I don’t have a comment yet on Sotomayor. Do you have something in particular?

    Liberal Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor declined to recuse herself from multiple copyright infringement cases involving book publisher Penguin Random House despite having been paid millions by the firm for her books, making it by far her largest source of income, records show.

    In 2010, she got a $1.2 million book advance from Knopf Doubleday Group, a part of the conglomerate. In 2012, she reported receiving two advance payments from the publisher totaling $1.9 million.

    In 2013, Sotomayor voted in a decision for whether the court should hear a case against the publisher called Aaron Greenspan v. Random House, despite then-fellow Justice Stephen Breyer recusing after also receiving money from the publisher.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/liberal-scotus-justice-took-3m-from-book-publisher-didnt-recuse-from-its-cases

    I wish I could quote the NY Times on this, but for some strange reason they aren’t interested. This isn’t so much whaddaboutism but “how did Propublica miss this”-ism.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  346. Is Soros a distant relative of Jackson’s nieces and nephews in your hypothetical?

    Is Crow a relative of the Thomas’ clan?

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  347. You are having a tough time answering my question, Paul. I didn’t mention Crow. I mentioned a “distant relative.”

    You even quoted the question.

    BuDuh (047c66)

  348. If it helps, let’s call the hypothetical relative “Mr Widget.”

    BuDuh (047c66)

  349. That it excludes the fact that the payments were only for one year, and the rest was paid by Thomas.

    How do you know that?
    As for the years Thomas was guardian, I assume he provided for the kid, which wasn’t at issue.
    Sotomayor’s non-recusal is also not kosher, especially since her colleague, Breyer, did recuse.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  350. I have no idea what you’re asking, BuDuh, and my policy is to avoid hypotheticals as much as possible.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  351. I’ll try it this way, would you be ok if a wealthy relative of the child, who had no business before the court, paid the child’s tuition?

    BuDuh (047c66)

  352. I would find it equally un-kosher if Ketanji Jackson’s sister’s kids had a free ride at a swank private school, courtesy of George Soros.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 5/4/2023 @ 9:11 am

    Troublesome, sure, but it appears neither Thomas nor Jackson would be acting against the law or ethics rules doing this.

    IMO the legal/ethical focus should be on making sure justices recuse themselves if there are conflicts. If they want to avoid refusal issues, they won’t take perks. If the people giving the perks have no cases before the court, then who cares?

    DRJ (882dd2)

  353. If the people giving the perks have no cases before the court, then who cares?

    How would a Justice know when a case might come up involving the gifting party? A Justice (or their families) could receive perks for years, and then suddenly a case comes up. And given complex corporate structures, a Justice may not know whether the gifting party has a stake in the outcome.

    Better to ban the receipt of perks rather than risk favoritism (inadvertent or deliberate) at some point.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  354. DRJ, several weeks ago I was scrolling through and you mentioned my name as part of a discussion of some of the discontent here. I don’t remember what others were doing or saying in that comment section but I had not posted in some time or in that particular comment section at all.

    I would like to formally apologize to you. I never ment to be a bone of contention for you or to make your visits here troublesome. The last we exchanged comments I thought my initiation here was well behind and we moved on to being cordial. I have a different way of discussing and debating and I can see how that might be off putting.

    Right now I am trying to get an answer from Paul that I feel should not be as difficult as it has become, so I end up looking obsessed. I get that. But I don’t mean to offend.

    I really do appreciate your comments and I think that you genuinely think things through before you write.

    That said, I am sorry for anything that I did to offend you.

    BuDuh (047c66)

  355. HHow would a Justice know when a case might come up involving the gifting party? A Justice (or their families) could receive perks for years, and then suddenly a case comes up.

    They wouldn’t. That is why most judges decline perks and some even decline to socialize with people who aren’t judges, because they never know.

    I don’t know any Supreme Court judges but I know lots of Texas judges. This is always on their minds and it impacts their behavior and their families. But some judges feel like that is asking to much to expect them and their families to give up so much to avoid an appearance of impropriety.

    DRJ (882dd2)

  356. Thanks, Buduh, but I’ve moved on for the most part.

    DRJ (882dd2)

  357. DRJ (882dd2) — 5/4/2023 @ 11:37 am

    Then why do you say “Who cares?” when it comes to SC Justices?

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  358. Simon Jester (ff9c91) — 5/4/2023 @ 11:37 am

    Does this mean that it is universally accepted that the Bushes are bad and that The Swamp is real?

    BuDuh (047c66)

  359. Your welcome, DRJ. Just thought I should say something.

    BuDuh (047c66)

  360. #364: I think that when you criticize an opponent for doing something, you probably shouldn’t do it yourself.

    PS: I like your comments to DRJ very much. She is a gem and I miss her comments.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  361. Good point.

    BuDuh (047c66)

  362. Kevin M @350:

    In 2009, when she was nominated, the New York Times ran this:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/02/us/politics/02recuse.html

    Judge Sonia Sotomayor, a Supreme Court nominee, has recused herself at least 141 times since becoming a judge in 1992. In many of those cases, she has told Senate investigators, her withdrawals were prompted by simple reasons: one of the lawyers was a friend; a former law clerk was involved; or she had represented a party in private practice.

    Only once, in a case from 1997, did her explanation say, “I had personal knowledge regarding the claims.”

    The information the judge gave to the Senate offered no clue as to what that knowledge might have been. And the records for the case, John Doe v. City of New York, are old enough that they were shipped to storage in Missouri from the federal court in Manhattan….

    Sammy Finkelman (0691d7)

  363. Then why do you say “Who cares?” when it comes to SC Justices?

    Each judge decides what s/he needs to do to avoid the appearance of impropriety, which is the legal/ethical standard. That is obviously nebulous.

    My feeling the real issue is recusal, judges can’t hear cases when they have a conflict. Getting significant perks from a third party creates a conflict, BUT ONLY IF the third party is in a case before the court.

    If a third party wants to give something of value to a judge and a judge is willing to accept it, but the judge can’t use his or her position to reciprocate — then who cares?

    DRJ (882dd2)

  364. Found this website: https://justthenews.com

    Seems to be a collection of Republican leaning stories. Some I didn’t hear of.

    Sammy Finkelman (0691d7)

  365. Supreme Court spouses often give up their jobs because of potential conflicts, and most justices take big pay cuts. Being on the Supreme Court is awesome professionally but misery for the families and wallets. My guess is this isn’t uncommon, although probably not to the degree the Thomas family has monetized it.

    DRJ (882dd2)

  366. @357

    Troublesome, sure, but it appears neither Thomas nor Jackson would be acting against the law or ethics rules doing this.

    IMO the legal/ethical focus should be on making sure justices recuse themselves if there are conflicts. If they want to avoid refusal issues, they won’t take perks. If the people giving the perks have no cases before the court, then who cares?

    DRJ (882dd2) — 5/4/2023 @ 11:13 am

    @369

    Then why do you say “Who cares?” when it comes to SC Justices?

    Each judge decides what s/he needs to do to avoid the appearance of impropriety, which is the legal/ethical standard. That is obviously nebulous.

    My feeling the real issue is recusal, judges can’t hear cases when they have a conflict. Getting significant perks from a third party creates a conflict, BUT ONLY IF the third party is in a case before the court.

    If a third party wants to give something of value to a judge and a judge is willing to accept it, but the judge can’t use his or her position to reciprocate — then who cares?

    DRJ (882dd2) — 5/4/2023 @ 11:51 am

    Thank you for dropping these great succinct posts.

    whembly (d116f3)

  367. Being on the Supreme Court is awesome professionally but misery for the families and wallets.

    What Are the Perks of Being a Supreme Court Justice?

    Salary and Benefits

    As of January 1, 2018, the chief justice of the Supreme Court earns a salary of $267,000 per year and the associate justices earn $255,300 per year. A Supreme Court judge who chooses to retire at 70, with 10 years of service, or age 65, with 15 years of service, is eligible to receive his entire ending salary each year for the rest of his life. In return, retired judges without a disability are required to remain active and perform a certain amount of judicial obligations each year.

    Job Security

    A Supreme Court justice is appointed to the high court for a lifetime term. According to the Constitution, justices “shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour.” They cannot be removed from office unless they are impeached by the House of Representatives and removed after a trial in the Senate. To date, only one Supreme Court justice, Samuel Chase, has ever been impeached. That occurred in 1805 and he was acquitted by the Senate.

    Fame, Prestige and Power

    Serving on the Supreme Court is one of most prestigious roles an American judge or lawyer can hold. Their names are known throughout the world and they’re treated with a great deal of respect. The justices have the power to check the activities of the president and Congress, providing them with the ability to have a huge impact on American history as they did with decisions like Brown v. Board of Education, which desegregated schools. In total, the justices hear oral arguments in approximately 75 to 80 cases per year.

    Generous Vacation Time and Workload Assistance

    The Supreme Court has a three-month recess, which the justices receive as vacation time. During this period, they do not have any judicial obligations and are free to do as they please. When court is in session, they receive a great deal of administrative assistance from clerks who read petitions sent to the court and summarize them for the justices. Clerks also assist the justices in writing their opinions on cases. Because of their lifetime appointments, the justices, unlike Washington’s politicians, can make decisions without worrying how it will affect their tenure in office.

    Private Earnings

    Financial disclosures for Supreme Court justices demonstrate that the additional notoriety the position provides creates the opportunity for side earnings. Justices earn side money by speaking at events for a fee or lecturing at universities during the recess. Many also earn advances and royalties from memoirs and other publications.

    https://work.chron.com/perks-being-supreme-court-justice-31187.html

    Supreme Court justices’ perks revealed in new report

    Documents provide rare glimpse into one of the least transparent branches

    https://rollcall.com/2020/03/24/supreme-court-justices-perks-revealed-in-new-report/

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  368. Does someone get the feeling that this is somewhat another Dobbs leak?

    The *big* case we should be hearing soon is the affirmative action case. I wonder if someone knows something and they’re focusing on Justice Thomas because he is going to write the majority opinion striking down Affirmative Action on college campuses and they want to get him to tamper it down?

    whembly (d116f3)

  369. Justice Scalia once wrote an opinion saying recusals could be manipulated by litigants so should not be too frequent or automatic.’

    In the Cheney case.

    I think the manipulated by litigants issue is outside the memorandum

    Scalia also says recusal is different for the Supree Court, since another judge cannot be substituted,

    Sammy Finkelman (0691d7)

  370. Does someone get the feeling that this is somewhat another Dobbs leak?
    ……..

    whembly (d116f3) — 5/4/2023 @ 1:06 pm

    No.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  371. Supreme Court justices are allowed to earn outside income in only a limited number of ways, mainly investments, teaching and publishing their writings.

    Sammy Finkelman (0691d7)

  372. “This isn’t so much whaddaboutism but “how did Propublica miss this”-ism.”

    What is there to miss? She reported the income.

    Davethulhu (fe2f72)

  373. 338, Part of an effort to argue the court has biased justices so a Denocratic president should be elected. And in general tooo generate outraage because outrage drives voter turnout,

    Sammy Finkelman (0691d7)

  374. @376

    No.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 5/4/2023 @ 1:14 pm

    Ok.

    I disagree.

    What’s really going on here is that those same Democrats/activists/leftist publications are trying to impose, informally or formally, through public opinion or through some unenforceable formal system, some rules on the Supreme Court, and use that as a bludgeon against future bad rulings.

    The left is about to lose on a lot of cases in the near future, and they’re trying to drum up support for either impeachment and/or court packing efforts.

    whembly (d116f3)

  375. @368:

    A hearty “so what?”

    Sotomayor’s recusals before she came on the court make her non-recusals worse.

    If one is going to recuse because they know one of the avocates, why stay on a case involving a company that had already paid her $3.6 million, and continued to pay her royalties while cases they had were pending.

    If Thomas had done that, it would be front page news in the MSM for a week. Here, it’s crickets. And not just for the MSM, but for certain posters here. It’s almost as if they had a bias.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  376. Does someone get the feeling that this is somewhat another Dobbs leak?

    I think that’s a one-off. If it was a clerk or other temporary employee, they’re gone. If it was a staff employee, those suspected are being watched and their access is curtailed. If it was a justice and it was handled quietly, doing it again would have the Chief telling them to resign, and asking Congress to impeach if they did not.

    In any event, I’m sure that sensitive documents are handled better now.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  377. What is there to miss? She reported the income.

    Not in the bribe section, under “Funds received from companies with matters before the court”

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  378. Supreme Court justices are allowed to earn outside income in only a limited number of ways, mainly investments, teaching and publishing their writings.

    And, unlike many high-powered lawyers, Thomas came up from abject poverty, without family connections, and doesn’t make a ton of money as a judge. Other justices have such familial connections to fall back on in times of need. Thomas does not. As for teaching and speaking, he is blackballed by most colleges due to the Woke Veto.

    I am sure that he was quite careful in connecting with someone not before the court and not likely to be before his court.

    I don’t have a problem with that so much as I have with Sotomayor accepting 7 figures from a litigant and not rescusing.

    Sotomayor’s actions are 1000% worse, blatant, and possibly criminal.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  379. Trump Civil Litigation Watch IV:

    For the first time in years of litigation, E. Jean Carroll’s legal team finally released an estimate of what they will ask a jury to award their client in defamation damages if they find former President Donald Trump raped her and lied about it: up to $2.7 million.
    ………
    (Ashley Humphreys, a professor from Northwestern University’s prestigious Medill journalism school) put that number on the high end of the spectrum for Carroll’s reputational damages from Trump’s Truth Social post panning her accusations as a “hoax” and a “lie.” Humphreys’ lower estimate for Carroll’s reputational damages is $368,183.78.

    That is far from the total universe of civil damages Trump may be held liable for if a jury finds in Carroll’s favor.

    “The testimony from Prof. Humphreys was only defamation damages, what it would cost to buy as much publicity as the Trump statements received,” (former federal prosecutor Mitchell Epner) told Law&Crime. “That does not include any damages for the alleged rape or damages for loss of income due to the adverse publicity.”
    ………
    Carroll also seeks punitive and exemplary damages, as well as “pre-and post-judgment interest, costs, and such other and further relief.”
    ………
    The revelation is significant, however, as the first glimpse at the potential scope of Trump’s liabilities if he loses. If a jury finds that Trump defamed Carroll by denying that he raped her, it would be difficult for them to avoid finding him responsible for the alleged assault.
    ………
    Senior U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan gave Trump an opportunity to request reopening his case if he wants to testify by filing such a request by Sunday at 5 p.m. ET.
    ##########

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  380. Sotomayor’s actions are 1000% worse, blatant, and possibly criminal.

    Kevin M (f94f4f) — 5/4/2023 @ 2:18 pm

    What crime?

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  381. Failure to recuse is not a crime, as we have seen.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  382. Whembly,

    They are going after Justice Thomas for that exact reason and their racism is shining for all to see. They want people to stay on the plantation, keep their heads down and do as they are told. Thomas is too outspoken and uppity so the left must pound him down.

    NJRob (5a505e)

  383. 384.

    As for teaching and speaking, he [Clarence Thomas] is blackballed by most colleges due to the Woke Veto.

    They’re trying to make a problem with what’s he’s getting from George Mason University. (And the teaching is combined with travel for several justices but Thomas isn’t doing that.)

    https://www.alternet.org/how-george-mason-university-bought-its-way-into-the-hearts-of-far-right-supreme-court-justices-report-2659932575/

    The New York Times is reporting that George Mason University managed to buy its way into the inner circle of Supreme Court justices…

    …”For the leaders of the law school, bringing [Neil Gorsuch] to teach at Scalia Law was a way to advance their own parallel ambition,” the report began.

    “Establishing and building a strong relationship with Justice Gorsuch during his first full term on the bench could be a game-changing opportunity for Scalia Law, as it looks to accelerate its already meteoric rise to the top rank of law schools in the United States,” a secret memo from George Mason’s law school says. The Times >/i?acquired thousands of internal emails revealing the unorthodox move by the school.

    Acquired? Somebody’s doing some illegal spying or leaking.

    Then, Justices Clarence Thomas and Brett Kavanaugh also joined the faculty….

    ….”The documents show how Scalia Law has offered the justices a safe space in a polarized Washington — an academic cocoon filled with friends and former clerks, where their legal views are celebrated, they are given top pay and treated to teaching trips abroad, and their personal needs are anticipated, from lunch orders to, in Justice [Neil] Gorsuch’s case, house hunting,” the report explained…

    …Judges can earn outside income from books through royalties or advances, investments and teaching. Those are the only options.

    …”But Scalia Law quickly moved to the front of the line, in part by offering generous benefits. For teaching summer courses that generally ran for up to two weeks, Justices Gorsuch and Kavanaugh each made salaries that approached the legal cap on certain outside income, roughly $30,000 in recent years,” the report explained.

    The school also has “programs” in other locations so that Justice Gorsuch, for example, could “teach” in Iceland and Italy. Justice Kavanaugh “teaches” in Britain. It’s unclear how many George Mason students were there for those events. Thomas is the only one who actually teaches on campus, with two former clerks as co-professors. On a number of occasions, The Times said that those “co-professors” filed amicus briefs, “friend of the court” letters designed to persuade a justice one way or another.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  384. Sotomayor accepting 7 figures from a litigant and not recusing.

    Probably even if the amount of money received was justified by business considerations. She had an important to her contractual arrangement or had had.. Did she earn her advance?

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  385. IMO the legal/ethical focus should be on making sure justices recuse themselves if there are conflicts. If they want to avoid refusal issues, they won’t take perks. If the people giving the perks have no cases before the court, then who cares?

    Agreed, DRJ. I used the phrase “un-kosher” because I’m not opining that these actions are illegal and I don’t know what the ethical boundaries are. But one question, if none of these “gifts” are being reported, how do we know if a judge has waded into recusal territory?

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  386. We have to take their word for it, I presume. The legal profession has legal requirements and ethical obligations, but it also is based on the concept of avoiding the “appearance of impropriety.” My feeling is that means lawyers and judged are supposed to self-discipline. Some might feel that is a joke, and maybe it is. There are a lot of lawyers and judges who take that responsibility seriously, but there are also many that don’t.

    FWIW, during its history, I think the Supreme Court has had some justices who were incredibly brilliant and ethical. I think it also had some real scoundrels. It wouldn’t surprise me to learn that is still true today.

    DRJ (fda1b5)

  387. This is another reason why character matters in a President. It makes it more likely the President will care about nominating justices who have good character.

    DRJ (fda1b5)


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