It’s On: DeSantis Supporters Told It’s Time “Demonstrate” Your Support To Donald Trump
[guest post by Dana]
Despite Gov. DeSantis having not yet made an official announcement for 2024, the Trump campaign is already capitalizing on the former president’s increasing support and $12 million indictment fundraising boon by urging DeSantis voters to jump ship:
The Trump campaign, in an email sent earlier this week to DeSantis donors and obtained by Fox News, emphasizes that “now is the time to demonstrate your support and join Team 47 early.”
“The two things the memo illustrates are the President’s huge numbers and Governor Ron DeSantis’ collapsing numbers,” the Trump campaign wrote in the memo.
Clearly, the campaign views DeSantis as Trump’s strongest opponent for the 2024 nomination. The fundraising memo says as much as it presents Trump as the “inevitable nominee,” thus DeSantis’ donors would be smart to dump DeSantis now and support the former president:
Having just completed our own survey of 1,000 likely 2024 general election voters conducted on behalf of the Donald J. Trump for President 2024 campaign and reviewing recent media polls completed before and after Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg’s indictment of President Trump, it is very clear that President Trump has gained strong majority support from Republican primary voters against any opponent and leads incumbent President Joe Biden among likely voters.
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Any reputable poll now shows Republican primary voters are appalled, angry and are unifying behind President Trump in his nomination. Voters and reported donations to the Trump campaign are increasing exponentially.
This is a historic attack against the Republican Party’s ability to nominate and challenge failing incumbent radical left, corrupt President Biden. Rank and file Republican primary voters and donors are rising to the challenge by rallying around our strongest candidate, President Trump.
Since February President Trump in any multicandidate field is building majority support and his potential opponents are either fading or not generating any significant support at all.
Note: Trump’s group, MAGA Inc. had $54 million on hand at the end of last year.
Not surprisingly, the DeSantis camp is already working on a long-term strategy in their still-unofficial run against Trump:
Even though it’s early and DeSantis isn’t officially a candidate yet, in talks behind the scenes, an expanded map is viewed as one of the keys to victory, three sources close to the governor said.
“There have been multiple conversations about delegates and how they are picked in various states across the country,” a DeSantis adviser said. “One thing that we have looked at is that Trump can be beat on the delegate portion of all this. He has never been good at that.”
Another DeSantis political adviser said there have been internal conversations about delegate strategy.
–Dana
Hello.
Dana (1225fc) — 4/6/2023 @ 10:22 amWhat bothers me, so very much, about this is as follows.
We have heard how awful DJT is for years now. Drumbeat. I think he is an awful person, but some of the policies are good. Ron D. is a better version of Trump, without the awful person baggage. Maybe we could get some decent policies. Is there bad stuff there? Sure. But on balance….
#BetterThanTrump
So on the one hand, Team Trump wants to propagandize to create more support for Trump. It is clear he is very unlikely to win the general election, even against the current aged lich in the Oval Office. Ugh.
But I promise that if Ron D gets the nomination, we will be subjected to endless reports of how much worse he is than DJT.
I do not know how I ended up in this alternate reality filled with insanity mixed with inanity. I would like to go home, Dana.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 4/6/2023 @ 10:40 amPatterico, Dana, I would dearly love to have a list of good possibilities for P/VP candidates from Team R. Please.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 4/6/2023 @ 10:42 am@3
Who can also win the primary AND the general.
whembly (d116f3) — 4/6/2023 @ 10:46 amThat can win; which will be a short list.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 4/6/2023 @ 10:46 amRip, whembly, without trying to fight with some of the more unpleasant individuals here, I do not see how DJT can win the general—again, this is wholly due to his behavior. He could have done so much good, but could not resist his baser instincts (and I am not talking about Stormy Daniels and her ilk).
I wish someone like Mitch Daniels could have been part of the landscape, but I understand his personal reasons.
I listen with horror to the right of center talking heads these days.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 4/6/2023 @ 10:54 amThis is the high point of Trump’s campaign. It will simmer back down.
nk (efbfca) — 4/6/2023 @ 11:02 am@6
I agree with you, I think Trump will have an even harder time in ’24 than in ’20.
Of the Presidential candidates I like:
DeSantis
Youngkin
Halley
Tim Scott
I think DeSantis has best chance in Primary and in General, who has real “wins” he can tout as FL Governorship.
For VP? I have a dark horse, and it’s Vivek Ramaswamy. But, most likely it’d be Nikki or Tim Scott.
whembly (d116f3) — 4/6/2023 @ 11:10 amNot to be harsh, but “I wish” is not a strategy.
Everyone knows who is running or might run; the list is not a real surprise: Ron DeSantis, Nikki Haley, Mike Pompeo, Chris Christie, Tim Scott, Pence, Asa Hutchinson, Vivek Ramaswamy, Kristi Noem, Mike Rogers, Chris Sununu, Glenn Youngkin, etc., all of which cannot command the attention of TrumpWorld voters, when you consider “that more than 7 in 10 Republican voters (72 percent) think Trump has had a mainly positive impact on their party (and) nearly 8 in 10 Republican voters (79 percent) consider themselves supporters of the MAGA movement.”
There are no hidden candidates riding a white horse to save the Republican Party.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 4/6/2023 @ 11:11 amDarling Nikki and Tim Scott are especially disliked by TrumpWorld.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 4/6/2023 @ 11:17 amThank you, whembly. I like many of those names.
What is so sad to me is how many DJT supporters attack those names but never turn that level of critical thinking to the negatives associated with DJT…demonstrably.
Rip, you might be right. If DJT loses again, would that finally make a difference? I hope so.
I know 3rd parties are awful, but I think both the Ds and Rs have gotten crazy extremist. Maybe a centrist approach would have appeal. Given the media, probably not.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 4/6/2023 @ 11:17 amNot a chance, the parties don’t want it. Look at the fight over the No Labels party (free link). Democrats are afraid it will play spoiler and ensure Trump’s re-election.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 4/6/2023 @ 11:24 amRepublicans should also fear No Labels, but poll after poll shows they want Trump as President. Splitting the Democratic (and Republican) vote is a feature, not a bug.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 4/6/2023 @ 11:28 am@10
I think if Trump loses the primary, most of the TrumpWorld voters will fall behind the GOP candidate, even if it’s Nikki or Scott.
The OnlyTrumpers that I know of, will likely hold their nose for the likes of Nikki and Scott over any Democrats.
Wanna know why?
Because they understood that a GOP administration would likely NOT sicc the entire government after Trump, like Democrats are so eager to do so these days.
whembly (d116f3) — 4/6/2023 @ 11:30 amI would prefer a non-Trump Republican party. I have no faith I will get one. The good people (such as may exist in the GOP) will do nothing, since they fear that they will not be allowed to do anything in the future unless they do nothing now.
Fine. Please lose like you are determined to do. Just remember to blame yourselves and not trouble the rest of us after election day. You don’t get a January 6 do-over.
Appalled (555266) — 4/6/2023 @ 11:32 amNeither Darling Nikki or Tim Scott (or any other candidate not named Ron DeSantis) has a chance of beating Trump. And why vote for Trump-lite (DeSantis aka New Coke) when you can vote for Trump (aka Original Coke)?
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 4/6/2023 @ 11:37 amThe only way one will see a Non-Trump Republican Party is when Trump himself leaves the scene. Permanently.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 4/6/2023 @ 11:39 am@16
This is Doomerism.
Primaries are fought state-by-state.
I can see DeSantis getting some former Trump voters due to being fatigue over Trump’s antics.
But, that’s a tall order for DeSantis, and I do agree with you Rip that Trump has a strong chance of winning.
Which is why, all this time, for those who don’t want Trump, is to fight like the dickens in the primaries.
whembly (d116f3) — 4/6/2023 @ 11:56 amWhembly,
now how do we get the people who badmouth anyone who doesn’t badmouth Trump from doing the usual spiel?
NJRob (eb56c3) — 4/6/2023 @ 11:58 amI would prefer a non-Trump Republican party.
It took several cycles and a few decades of Royalist GOP weenies to feed and root populism. You saw them roasted on a stage in the 2015 debates. Populism is rooting deeper and deeper. I’d prefer an America without two Royalists parties with insulated elites who tout $15/pint ice cream and embrace endless wars wasting billions to finance a bloated, incompetent MIC so bureaucratic, it dithers on whether to shoot down a big-assed spy balloon for a week. This is why castles get stormed.
DCSCA (cebe6c) — 4/6/2023 @ 12:02 pm@17. The only way one will see a Non-Trump Republican Party is when Trump himself leaves the scene. Permanently.
Whistling past the graveyard is a great act- but it’s just that: an act. This is basic political science. The voter numbers for the populist candidatge grew in 2020 over 2016– so it is not dying out. Trump is merely a standard bearer for the swelling ranks of populism which has been simmering to a boil over several decades. He just happened succeed thanks to the arcane EC system. This is an Establishment Royalist vs. Populist battle. And populists have tasted victory– and you’ve seen what occurs when going back to the Establishment Royalist ways w/Squinty’s: a hellish trainwreck festooned box-checked boobs who excel at incompetence. Another populist w/pick up the standard and carry on when Trump moves on, until the entrenched establishment clinging to power in these major parties addresses the issues that fuel populism– or die out. So far, they’ve remained deliberately tone deaf to it.
DCSCA (cebe6c) — 4/6/2023 @ 12:19 pmOnce upon a time, I would have agreed with this. But history rudely reminds me otherwise. Here’s hoping against hope.
Dana (1225fc) — 4/6/2023 @ 12:27 pmBut the money primary is national. Two news items:
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 4/6/2023 @ 12:46 pmLOL! The next highpoint for Trump to portray himself as a victim will be on April 25th, when the E. Jean Carroll trial starts. The next high point will be an indictment in Fulton County (if it happens). And then there is the Trump Organization civil trial in October, to be followed by any indictment for the classified information at MAL and/or January 6th.
Trump’s opportunities for outrage are endless.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 4/6/2023 @ 12:56 pmTrump was dead in the water until NeverTrump decided to not get out of their own way
But that’s being way too charitable
NeverTrump now gets to talk about Trump some more, while ignoring policy
it’s their safe space
JF (ba7287) — 4/6/2023 @ 12:59 pmThe facts so far say otherwise. If Darling Nikki, the former Governor of South Carolina, or Tim Scott, the current Senator, aren’t leading in the polls in their home state’s Presidential primary, what does that say about their support?
Poll released on 1/26/23 by Trafalgar Group:
Poll released 1/24/23 by Moore Information/Conservative Policy Research Network poll:
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 4/6/2023 @ 1:14 pmA DeSantis-Ramaswamy ticket will get my vote.
Colonel Haiku (730b94) — 4/6/2023 @ 1:18 pmDCSCA,
Populism isn’t exactly new, and even a populist fusion with religious fundamentalism isn’t new. (See Bryan, William J.) In the past, it has not yielded good things (Leo Frank was not available for comment).
That said, I think the Republicans with Trump confuse a symptom of a deep national sickness with a cure for it. In a sane world, we’d have several characters competing for the populist lane in the GOP, because Trump has demonstrated his ability to alienate more people than he inspires. Instead, “populism”, as practiced in the GOP, is agreeing with all of Trump’s grievances, at least in front of the camera. I realize that the elites in the US have fouled up repeatedly. I think that is always the fate of elites — because groupthink is what elites are really good at. Still, when you go down the Trump road, you lose the ability to unseat the next set of failed elites, because Trump with his authoritarian leanings, has worked at making that harder to do.
Appalled (555266) — 4/6/2023 @ 1:20 pmFor the birtherist Trumpers neither Vivek or Haley are “natural born citizens.”
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 4/6/2023 @ 1:25 pmTrafalgar Group polls are like Trump’s appraisals for his properties when he is applying for a bank loan.
nk (efbfca) — 4/6/2023 @ 1:34 pmFake.Highly over-inflated.To paraphrase Don Rumsfeld, you go with the polls you have, not the polls you want or wish to have……
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 4/6/2023 @ 1:37 pmWho needs a Dimocrat to tell ‘em what ANYONE believes or doesn’t?!?!
Sheesh.
Colonel Haiku (730b94) — 4/6/2023 @ 1:43 pmPolls are useful, but they shouldn’t be treated as gospels.
I think, at best at this early of the primary season, polls only useful to gauge name recognition and trends.
National head to head polls seems dicey. I would seek out state polls..
whembly (d116f3) — 4/6/2023 @ 1:44 pmYou don’t think Nikki Haley and Tim Scott have name recognition in South Carolina?
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 4/6/2023 @ 1:48 pmMy only hope is if Trump faces a more persuasive indictment, like Georgia. Yes Trump has a devoted following and yes his followers will view any additional indictment as simply more partisan attacks, but at some point an awful realism will emerge. It will become clear that multiple indictments will make him unelectable in the general. And allowing Democrats…Biden in particular….to appoint judges for four more years is unacceptable to the MAGA core. Eventually Trump’s support will fracture as many will hate Democrats more than they love Trump. At least that will be the hope.
As to who emerges after? Certainly DeSantis is in the driver’s seat, but let’s see how he does pressing the flesh. My suspicion is that he will be fine, but the Ukraine “territorial dispute” message was an unforced tactical error. If he comes across as mainly abrasive, that sounds like Trump without the charisma. I disagree that it’s all over. If Trump folds, all bets are off. DeSantis would be the favorite but it’s way too early to crown him.
AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 4/6/2023 @ 2:40 pmLooks like clarence thomas got his hands caught in the cookie jar! The best justice harlan crow’s money can buy! (DU)
asset (c950a5) — 4/6/2023 @ 2:48 pmMore like a signal to the anti-US involvement MAGA troops.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 4/6/2023 @ 2:54 pm“Hoping” and “wishing” aren’t strategies. I doubt Trump’s hard core of 30% or so will have their minds change. If Trump is forced to leave the presidential race for whatever reason, his 30% probably just won’t vote.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 4/6/2023 @ 3:02 pmI think that Douglas Adams (taken far, far, far too soon) put it best in a novel:
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 4/6/2023 @ 3:02 pm
@28. Nobody said it was new. But rather than Bryant, look to Old Hickory… or Teddy Roosevelt:
Here’s The Famous Populist Speech Teddy Roosevelt Gave Right After Getting Shot…
https://www.businessinsider.com/heres-the-famous-populist-speech-teddy-roosevelt-gave-right-after-getting-shot-2011-10
The current incarnation is rooted deep by repeated betrayals and anger over multiple cycles; fueled and nurtured by a blatantly incompetent, self-serving ideological elite nested in both parties which only cares about clinging to power. Trump’s rise is merely as a populist standard bearer. It was inevitable the rank and file of one of the parties would nominate someone like him, w/no previous elected office experience for the top spot. Have the data on this; did a thesis on it in college w/t trend lines suggesting it could occur around 2000 or so… so it was a close projection. If his POV wasn’t registering and resonating, thanks to media savvy and w/t aid of the ratings and revenue hungry media itself- the mere fact more voted for his POV in 2020 over 2016 would not have occurred. To be sure there’s a core base of Trump supporters, just as there was for Reagan, Obama… even JFK and Nixon. But the second cycle numbers only confirms this crop of populism is still growing and rooting deeper. Even a mere knockoff, like DeSantis, is being hounded by loyal Royalists and rejected ideologues as a ‘Trump Lite.’ It’s not a Trump thing. It’s the cauldron of populism boiling over, and the rejected, ideological elitists- those Royalists insulated from inflation, high food and gas prices; profiting from endless wars. They exist in both parties, perched on the castle ramparts cannot contain it. Case in point:
“We need to defeat the Trump Republicans. And if that means being with the Democrats for a while, that’s fine…” – Bill Kristol.
DCSCA (e157d1) — 4/6/2023 @ 3:40 pmDeSantis is digging a hole that he will not escape. Trump is going to milk this “witch hunt” as long as he can without being convicted. There is no time in the foreseeable future that allows DeSantis to get in the race — it would offend everyone who might vote for him now.
Kevin M (1ea396) — 4/6/2023 @ 8:15 pmLooks like clarence thomas got his hands caught in the cookie jar! The best justice harlan crow’s money can buy! (DU)
From a man who cheers when an apparatchik becomes a state high court justice.
Kevin M (1ea396) — 4/6/2023 @ 8:18 pmDeSantis is digging a hole that he will not escape.
They’re called sink holes in Florida.
DCSCA (ab9c50) — 4/6/2023 @ 8:19 pmPopulism isn’t exactly new
It’s the canary in the coal mine. Populism is an uprising by Joe SixPack the like. When government gets so bad and unresponsive that they get off their duff, heads roll and “Good Government” types cannot understand why the peasants are revolting (at least not in this way).
Shorter: it means that the powers that be have royally crapped out and the People want to take them out and shoot them. Usually they don’t get to (but sometimes, eh, Him and Her?) but a lot of them get early retirement.
You know who the jerks are: they’re the ones who cannot grasp what their Leaders did wrong. Generally the ones profiting off the previous system.
Kevin M (1ea396) — 4/6/2023 @ 8:26 pmPoll released on 1/26/23
It’s April now. That’s about 7 years in politician time.
Kevin M (1ea396) — 4/6/2023 @ 8:31 pmTennessee rethugs oust two BLACK democrats from state legislature for protesting killing school children with assault gun at state capital. As paul newman said to richard boone in the movie hondo. “Hey I got a question how are you going to get back down the hill?” Now what is not permitted against republicans?
asset (51a013) — 4/7/2023 @ 12:48 am““Hoping” and “wishing” aren’t strategies.”
But that’s all a lonely voter has. We’ve had 8 years detailing the awfulness of Trump.
Right now we are seeing the weakness of parties and the power of a personality cult. There is no strategy to “fix” 30% of the primary voters. If you don’t understand the problem of J6 and election denialism, then there’s little left to say or do. The decision right now for Trump’s base is between Trump and boring and, for the “existential crisis howlers”, it’s between doing something or doing the same darn thing.
The only strategy is for the GOP to keep losing. The problem is that the Democrats have their own brand of awful policy that muffles the losses (see for instance the Dept of Ed’s dictate on trans athletes). The party is broken. We have a clear blueprint on how to break a party and it has a lot to do with irresponsible media and disinterest with truth. We need powerful people to do the right thing when most of the incentives are pulling them in the opposite direction.
AJ_Liberty (32cefd) — 4/7/2023 @ 3:55 amTennessee [Republicans] oust two [Democrat thugs] from state legislature for protesting killing school children with assault gun at state capital.
I keep telling you how white people riot, asset, but you won’t believe me. Not even within a couple of days of the indictment of the least-white white person in America.
nk (6c418e) — 4/7/2023 @ 5:13 am@41
Wouldn’t offend me.
whembly (d116f3) — 4/7/2023 @ 6:05 amI have a question now that will not be answered — how would this have shaken out had the first indictment been for one of the real charges? (Federal charges — the Georgia charges) Since the NY charges are, at best, a novel legal theory never before tried in New York, wise political heads could have at least figured the outcome we are seeing as likely. Which leads me to think: the Democrats care more about bringing the GOP nomination to Trump than they do about bringing Trump to justice.
Haiku. NJ Rob. DCSCA. Do you ever worry you guys are being played by the Nancy Pelosi team?
Appalled (e00557) — 4/7/2023 @ 6:38 amTrump shot himself in the foot in that regard when he treated DeSantis as a declared candidate way back in October and has been campaigning against him since.
nk (6c418e) — 4/7/2023 @ 6:51 amAppalled,
We’ve all stated we prefer DeSantis. How about you join the train?
NJRob (d2c2bb) — 4/7/2023 @ 9:09 amWell not ASPCA,but he’s not here to support republicans.
NJRob (d2c2bb) — 4/7/2023 @ 9:09 amLike I said, you go with the polls you have, not the polls you want or wish to have……
Rip Murdock (740542) — 4/7/2023 @ 9:26 am50… if you live in America as it’s currently constituted, you are being played six ways from Sunday, appalled. You didn’t know that?
Colonel Haiku (13427a) — 4/7/2023 @ 9:32 amStill, it’s remarkable little support a popular governor and current US Senator have in their home state for a presidential bid.
Rip Murdock (740542) — 4/7/2023 @ 9:32 amhttps://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2023/04/07/tennessee-house-expels-two-democrats-who-led-floor-protest-against-guns-n1685288
So the 2 asset is crying about directly encouraged and led the insurrection in Tennessee. They are lucky they aren’t in prison.
NJRob (d2c2bb) — 4/7/2023 @ 9:52 am@57 I am not crying I am demanding the democrat party and the black community strike back against racism and the killing of children. Biden should send in the military using civil war laws and republican racists should be controlled. Boycott and more.
asset (fda796) — 4/7/2023 @ 1:35 pm#52
I prefer DeSantis to Trump. (And I am glad you and Haiku do. Apologies for missing that.)
Please understand that I have never claimed to be a Republican and I really don’t like populism in general. So I will be facing a choice that thrills me not in 2024. I will vote against Trump, end stop. I probably would vote for someone like Haley over Biden. On DeSantis — I don’t know yet. I’m not going to play the game of “let’s bash the Republican and stir everyone up” today, so you wan’t get my half-formed explanations (excuses) right now.
Appalled (03f53c) — 4/7/2023 @ 1:59 pm@50. Nope. not by that senile ol’broad. There are 5 year old spark plugs that don’t misfire as much as she does. Anybody who boasts of Joey, ‘I trust his judgment’ is playing— with herself.
@53. Populists. The castles need storming.
DCSCA (67f252) — 4/7/2023 @ 2:16 pmNow what is not permitted against republicans?
Most everything you are thinking of.
Again, suppose all the facts were the same, but it was an anti-abortion “demonstration” in California disrupting the legislature in the same way, and they expelled the two white assemblymen involved (for using a bullhorn) and not the Baptist black lady?
Would this mean it was open season on Democrats?
Kevin M (1ea396) — 4/7/2023 @ 2:38 pmI am not crying I am demanding … the black community strike back against … the killing of children.
But you support the killing of (disproportionately black) fetuses, in the millions.
Kevin M (1ea396) — 4/7/2023 @ 2:40 pm@62 A fetus is not a baby and that wasn’t the issue in tennessee ;but killing school children with assault guns. Open season on both sides fine with me just as long democrats reciprocate.
asset (819d48) — 4/7/2023 @ 6:16 pmThat’s fair Appalled. I didn’t know you weren’t a self-identified republican. That makes your remarks more reasonable in my opinion.
Hopefully DeSantis can earn your vote by showing continued success in Florida.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 4/7/2023 @ 6:20 pm