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3/8/2023

Tucker Carlson Uses Words Like “Orderly” And “Meek” To Describe The “Sightseers” At U. S. Capitol on Jan. 6

Filed under: General — Dana @ 4:28 pm



[guest post by Dana]

As the latest batch of just-released private communications from Tucker Carlson to staffers again confirms that he is a big fat hypocrite, expectations of truthfulness from him should be completely bottomed out by now. With the baked-in hubris and disdainful sniff of a trust-fund baby, he knowingly lit a match and torched any credibility without a backward look. Such was his belief in his reach of influence and control, not just over viewers but also over some members of management and staffers. Such was his selfish compulsion for success and power. And now, thanks to the complicity of one incredibly spineless Speaker of the House, a Herculean effort is being made to revise… reshape… reimagine… make shit up and push lies about what really happened at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6:

On his Monday and Tuesday night broadcasts, Mr. Carlson aired a compilation of Capitol surveillance footage from Jan. 6 and downplayed the violence that occurred. He presented the footage as evidence that the attack was an “orderly and meek” gathering of sightseers who had good reason to doubt the outcome of the 2020 presidential election.

Additionally:

“The footage does not show an insurrection or a riot in progress,” Carlson told his audience Monday. “Instead it shows police escorting people through the building, including the now-infamous ‘QAnon Shaman.’”

He continued: “More than 44,000 hours of surveillance footage from in and around the Capitol have been withheld from the public, and once you see the video, you’ll understand why. Taken as a whole, the video does not support the claim that Jan. 6 was an insurrection. In fact, it demolishes that claim.”

Video that Carlson didn’t air shows police and rioters engaged in hours of violent combat. Nearly 1,000 people have been charged in connection with the Capitol attack. About 140 officers were assaulted that day, and about 326 people have been charged with assaulting, resisting or impeding officers or employees, including 106 assaults that happened with deadly or dangerous weapons. About 60 people pleaded guilty to assaulting law enforcement. Two pipe bombs were also planted nearby but were not detonated.

Of course, the Republican Party is divided about the claims because it is divided over most things these days:

“Clearly the chief of the Capitol Police, in my view, correctly describes what most of us witnessed firsthand on Jan. 6,” Mr. McConnell said. “It was a mistake, in my view, for Fox News to depict this in a way that’s completely at variance with what our chief law enforcement official here at the Capitol thinks.”

…Senator Mitt Romney of Utah…called Mr. Carlson’s broadcast normalizing the violence of Jan. 6 “dangerous and disgusting.”

“The American people saw what happened on Jan. 6, they’ve seen the people that got injured, they saw the damage to the building,” Mr. Romney told reporters on Tuesday. “You can’t hide the truth by selectively picking a few minutes out of tapes and saying this is what went on. It’s so absurd, it’s nonsense.”

Senator Mike Rounds, Republican of South Dakota, said nothing Mr. Carlson aired changed the fact that the Jan. 6 riot was violent.

“I was here. I saw what happened. I saw the violence,” Mr. Rounds said. “And you know, I thought it was an insurrection at that time. I still think it was an insurrection today.”

But House Republican leaders cheered Mr. Carlson’s work, as many of them accused the House select committee that investigated the Jan. 6 attack, which had recommended criminal referrals for Mr. Trump and his allies and condemned the conduct of Republicans who attempted to help overturn the 2020 election, of mistreating them…

Senator Ted Cruz, Republican of Texas, said Democrats and the media had “tried to use the violent acts of some to tarnish and attack the peaceful speech of many others, and I think it has been dishonest and partisan, and I think the American people deserve to have fuller context.”

“Last night, @TuckerCarlson confirmed what I’ve been saying for well over a year,” Representative Elise Stefanik of New York, the No. 3 Republican, said in a tweet. “Nancy Pelosi’s sham, unconstitutional Jan 6th Committee was nothing more than a political witch-hunt designed to punish the radical Far Left’s political opponents.”

Perhaps a reminder to our elected officials is in order:

Speaker McCarthy stands by his decision to give Tucker Carlson access to the raw security footage…knowing full well what he would do with it. If you recall, the Speaker originally justified his demand that all records and transcripts concerning the events of Jan. 6 be preserved because the American people deserved “transparency” and had a right to know that the allegations made by the Jan. 6 Committee were “supported by the facts.”

Welp here’s looking at you, Kev:

–Dana

144 Responses to “Tucker Carlson Uses Words Like “Orderly” And “Meek” To Describe The “Sightseers” At U. S. Capitol on Jan. 6”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (1225fc)

  2. From the depths of the faculty lounge?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  3. If Tucker Carlson told me the sky is blue, I would go outside and check.

    Jim Miller (f29931)

  4. For his next scheduled program, Tucker Carlson will show video of Alex Murdaugh walking his dogs with his wife and son in a meek and orderly way.

    nk (030758)

  5. Memo to Daughter Darth–

    Shorter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iyr74Rs6BWU

    ‘The Force is strong with this one.”

    DCSCA (a1139b)

  6. Of course.

    Simon Jester (0d54cc)

  7. If Tucko’s January 6th videos are so great, why isn’t Fox News covering the story? You think they would be all over it.
    ………
    ……..Oddly enough, however, the bombshell has been entirely ignored by Fox News.

    Since Carlson delivered the supposedly huge news during his Monday night program, not a single Fox News show has covered the revelations. According to a search of transcripts, his name has not been mentioned once on another show since he tossed to Hannity.

    This is extraordinary since Fox’s news programs often amplify the network’s opinion programming by covering the commentary of hosts like Carlson as an end-around the opinion-news divide that marks cable news programming these days.

    Fellow prime time hosts Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham? They didn’t touch the story. The top-rated cable news morning show Fox & Friends, which caters to a Trump-friendly audience? They entirely ignored it. As of writing, the daytime news programs have also opted not to touch the story, including the opinion-based panel show Outnumbered.
    ………
    ……… It appears that he can say or do whatever he pleases with impunity. Even if the news division of Fox knows he is wrong on the facts.
    ………

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  8. Sorry for the lack of blockquotes.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  9. AllahNick well explains the dissonance involved with shifting the blame for insurrection away from Trump and his people.

    You’re free to choose your own adventure about what happened on January 6 so long as you arrive at the conclusion that Trump and his party should bear no blame for it.

    On Tuesday, House Speaker Kevin McCarthy was asked what he thought of Tucker Carlson’s revisionist history of the attack, revisionism he facilitated by providing Carlson with exclusive access to Congress’ trove of video footage from that day. Two years ago, after the insurrection, he was clear as could be [the audio from the tweet shows how much McCarthy has contorted himself].

    On Tuesday his clarity had faded. “I didn’t see what was aired,” Kevin McCarthy told reporters. “What I want to do exactly is give transparency to everybody and everybody can make up their own conclusion.”

    Lay aside the weirdness of McCarthy giving Carlson access to the footage yet not caring enough about the “truth” of January 6 to watch Carlson’s presentation. Note instead his comment about everybody “making up their own conclusion.” That’s an example of egregious moral relativism by the leader of a party that’s supposed to despise such things, deeming it an intellectual defect of the left. And it’s aimed mainly at the right, I suspect, not at swing voters: McCarthy is nudging his constituency to think whatever they need to think about January 6 in the name of easing any lingering discomfort with what happened.

    “You’re free to believe what you like,” he’s telling Republicans, knowing they’ll tailor their beliefs to the party’s advantage.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  10. Gee whiz, fighting back against a malformed, dishonest narrative certainly angers some people. One has to wonder what content in these recordings is so bad that it calls for “all hands on deck, everybody on deck” response from the Uniparty, usual suspects/government publicists in their media, NeverTrumperellas, etc.?

    I’d sure like to find out.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  11. Jonah also touched on the subject. Maybe another phrase for “safe spaces” is echo chamber.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  12. “You’re free to believe what you like,” he’s telling Republicans, knowing they’ll tailor their beliefs to the party’s advantage.

    And Tucker Carlson has always been there to affirm their belief.

    nk (030758)

  13. What was Josh Hawley running away from, has Tucker asked him?

    nk (030758)

  14. With the baked-in hubris and disdainful sniff of a trust-fund baby

    good one

    I wonder how the bush, romney and Liz fans will take it, though

    JF (283269)

  15. Meanwhile, over in the Trumpist echo chamber

    Kevin M (1ea396)

  16. I watched the Capitol “demonstration” live and when they breached the police line and then broke into the building you knew that bad sh1t was going down.

    Kevin M (1ea396)

  17. It appears that he can say or do whatever he pleases with impunity. Even if the news division of Fox knows he is wrong on the facts.

    I expect he will be fired in the coming week. There’s a reason that he’s out there on the branch all by himself.

    Kevin M (1ea396)

  18. the echo chamber that still doesn’t know what all the Fauci fuss is about is probably the one more hermetically sealed

    JF (283269)

  19. https://jonathanturley.org/2023/03/08/did-the-qanon-shaman-get-the-shaft-new-evidence-raises-new-questions-on-the-chansley-case/

    I’m curious what the lawyers, who hang out here, think of Turley’s take on the Brady question.

    Pouncer (f80f11)

  20. What I find silly about all of this, is that it is manifestly less important that what Joe Biden has done to the economy. After printing several trillions in play money, the fed is going to shut the economy down until inflation stops, all the while half this money is still out there in state coffers waiting to be spent.

    But let’s talk about the 2020 election some more.

    Kevin M (1ea396)

  21. Gee, I wonder why they weren’t knocking down barriers, breaking and crawling through windows, climbing walls, and pushing through doors after they’d already climbed the walls, knocked down the barriers and pushed through the doors/broken and crawled through the windows. Why weren’t they still doing that after they’d done it?

    Nic (896fdf)

  22. > it is manifestly less important that what Joe Biden has done to the economy.

    no, it isn’t. trump and his supporters will do it again, and we have no reason to believe they’ll fail the second time around.

    aphrael (4c4719)

  23. There is no Brady issue. Short Bus was there. He knew more about it than the prosecution did. The DOJ had no obligation to formulate the Carlson Defense Theory for him, or to compel witnesses and subpoena evidence on his behalf.

    nk (df21c2)

  24. we have no reason to believe they’ll fail the second time around

    Based on which Trump successes?

    Kevin M (1ea396)

  25. Dana,

    Thanks for linking to what the far left thinks of Tucker and Republicans. It helps to understand how the far left phrases their propaganda.

    NJRob (75cac3)

  26. https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2023/03/08/here-are-tucker-carlsons-j6-show-ratings-compared-to-other-cable-nets-guarding-the-narrative/

    Going to be tough to keep pushing the “insurrection” narrative, but former Congressman Lizzie will keep trying.

    Tucker got more than 6 times CNN’s ratings and more than CNN, MSDNC, Newsmax and Newsnation combined. Just imagine if the partisans on the Jan 6th committee had done a proper job instead of pushing propaganda on the world. There’d be no interest.

    So let’s review. The government lied about Russian collusion. They lied about COVID. They lied about the vaccines. They lied about Jan 6th. They are still lying about the invasion on our border.

    And on and on.

    NJRob (75cac3)

  27. “The problem is less the procedural one of giving the defense exculpatory evidence but ignoring the evidence that you yourself have.”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  28. “Shameful” isn’t a strong enough word.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  29. It helps to understand how the far left phrases their propaganda.

    The NYT, ABC and NBC are “far left”?

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  30. Jan6 Chairman Bennie Thompson said he doesn’t think any of the Jan. 6 members themselves ever had access to the footage, they let only staff view it.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  31. “In an Unexpected and Shocking Turn of Events, lefty billionaire Pierre Omidyar-funded and MSNBC contributor Jonah Goldberg has surprisingly come out against release of the videos and attacks republicans.

    I. Did. Not. See. That. Coming.”

    —- Drago

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  32. Yes Paul. And anyone who isn’t a leftist knows that.

    NJRob (75cac3)

  33. Jonah also touched on the subject. Maybe another phrase for “safe spaces” is echo chamber.
    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/8/2023 @ 6:15 pm

    it should win him a third Pulitzer

    but, this is hilarious

    to be sheltered from the narrative that Trump lied, lead an insurrection and left our democracy teetering on a precipice you’d have to stay in bed all day every day, never watch teevee, or read a magazine or newspaper and avoid blogs and social media for more than two years

    to be sheltered from Tucker and the video evidence, you’d just have to live your normal life

    the entire cultural world is literally your safe space, Montagu, and you and Jonah Pulitzer don’t like to see it upset

    JF (f5782a)

  34. @29

    They are as far left as what they call “far right” is right.

    Kevin M (68cd98)

  35. Omidyar funds The Bulwark, not the Dispatch.
    Jonah took a gig at CNN, not MSNBC.
    I definitely saw the factual wrongness coming.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  36. @33

    Pretty much

    Kevin M (68cd98)

  37. The problem is, of course, that Trump’s lies infected Fox and other right of center media, making the leftist MSM seem almost reasonable.

    Kevin M (68cd98)

  38. If you don’t believe that the next election is a binary choice between Trump and DeSantis, you’re far left.

    nk (df21c2)

  39. There are lots of people who support violent riots intended if they’re done by their side and are happy to lie about what happened. In the case of Jan 6 we can count Trump, Tucker, JF, NJRob, Colonial Haiku among them. Trump went so far as to say we should throw out the constitution.

    Several life long GOP elected representatives who were there (e.g. Sen Mconnell) have been clear that Tucker is lying. There’s copious evidence that hundreds of trump supporters violently assaulted the police in a riot intended to prevent the lawful certification of the winner of the presidential election. But Tucker doesn’t care because lying is how he pays the bills so he’s taking videos that don’t show the violence and asserting that it’s representative of what happened.

    the head of the Capital Police has been clear

    Manger criticized Carlson for falsely claiming that Capitol Police officers helped the mob of former President Donald Trump’s supporters and acted as “tour guides,” calling the accusation “outrageous and false.”

    “I don’t have to remind you how outnumbered our officers were on January 6,” he wrote. “Those officers did their best to use de-escalation tactics to try to talk rioters into getting each other to leave the building.”

    The GOP could have moved on from this. Could have rightly voted to impeach Trump. Could have supported an independent commission as was initially proposed. After turning that down could have had a greater role in the congressional committee.

    But the base doesn’t want any of that. So that’s not what the GOP is doing.

    Time123 (d948f2)

  40. Breaking news: Gov. Hairgel Newsom (D-Douchebag) has COVID.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  41. What’s all this than!?!?

    Take all the time you require to learn the correct spelling of Liz CHENEY, time123

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  42. someone show Time123 how to sharpen his crayons

    JF (f5782a)

  43. Speaking of “copious evidence”:

    Thread: FBI agent lied under oath yesterday in federal prosecution trial.

    Admission of FBI fabrication of evidence, following orders to destroy hundreds of items of evidence, deleting exculpatory evidence from FBI’s Lync internal messaging system, and more.

    Judge excuses jury.

    https://twitter.com/JMichaelWaller/status/1633820499913621505?cxt=HHwWgoDSwdPFv6wtAAAA

    Why would they conceal copious amounts of evidence? Wasn’t all of this a slam dunk for the DOJ?

    More here:
    https://twitter.com/julie_kelly2

    I know, I know… There is a messenger that needs to be shot instead.

    BuDuh (eaef9b)

  44. JF, it’s just a “narrative” that Trump lied? It’s just a “narrative” that he invited his MAGA followers to show up that day? Or that he stoked up his cult audience with speeches from his warm-up acts* and himself**? It’s just a “narrative” that he tried to bully his VP into violating the 12th Amendment and Electoral Count Act?

    * Giuliani: “If we are wrong we will be made fools of, but if we’re right a lot of them will go to jail. So let’s have trial by combat.”

    Eastman: “We no longer live in a self-governing republic if we don’t get the answer to this question. Anybody who is not willing to stand up and do it does not deserve to be in the office. It is that simple.”

    The bogus question being about Trump’s electoral fraud hoax and Pence’s unwillingness to “stand up”.

    Rep. Mo Brooks: “Today is the day American patriots start taking down names and kicking ass.”

    ** “And we fight. We fight like Hell and if you don’t fight like Hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  45. Breaking News! Our old friend Shipwreckedcrew is currently advising Buffaloheadress man and he says he’ll be on w/Tucker Carlson tonight.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  46. “The Chansley videos Tucker has emphasized don’t change the videos of violence outside the Capitol or in the tunnel.
    What they do is pull back a couple layers of the onion built by the Anti-Trump forces in Govt and the press to show not everything they’ve represented is accurate.”

    —- Shipwreckedcrew

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  47. “The line drawn by politicians over Tucker Carlson’s playing of previously undisclosed video is very easy to discern.
    GOP politicians who do not want Trump 2024 to gain traction are criticizing Carlson because Jan 6 is the “Silver Bullet” keeping Trump from being a candidate.”

    —- Shipwreckedcrew

    “That’s what the narrative has always been about with the Dems in Congress and the Biden Admin., with the press dutifully doing their bidding.
    Any information that undercuts the narrative, or just makes it less impactful, makes the weight of J6 around Trump’s neck lighter.”

    —- Shipwreckedcrew

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  48. And reading Ship’s substack, he is finding much fault with previous attorney Watkins’ lawyering.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  49. Several life long GOP elected representatives who were there (e.g. Sen Mconnell) have been clear that Tucker is lying.

    How, exactly?

    Take one question of fact. Was Brian Sicknick killed in the insurrection, as the committee claims? Or was he shown on video walking around, apparently uninjured, as Carlson broadcast? Is the video fake — CGI? Edited to show early events spliced into a later sequence? If Carlson “lied” he also faked up supporting evidence — can we examine that claim in detail?

    Pouncer (f80f11)

  50. can we examine that claim in detail?

    You are asking way too much from this group.

    BuDuh (eaef9b)

  51. I think there was criminal conduct (trespassing, at the least) by many protesters. But I think there is a due process issue for any defendant that was convicted or pled guilty based in whole or part on video surveillance — provided they requested the video during discovery and were not shown/told about all tapes.

    DRJ (b39202)

  52. I am not a criminal law attorney, but it may be an ineffective assistance of counsel claim would be based on any defense counsel who did not request discovery of surveillance tapes. Normally, though, that would have been a standard defense request. That would shift the inquiry to the prosecution response.

    There might be a waiver by the defense unless the defendant requested all video surveillance and the prosecution said they gave them everything, when they didn’t. But it is also possible the police, DOJ, or Congressional leaders withheld tapes from the prosecutors. If so, my guess is they would not be at fault and the appeal/new trial issue would be whether the new surveillance would make a material difference in the putcome.

    DRJ (b39202)

  53. “…Jan 6 is the “Silver Bullet” keeping Trump from being a candidate.”

    Him being a congenital liar and criminal has utterly nothing to do with it. Personally, I think his residence in a federal penitentiary will be the “silver bullet.” Assuming it isn’t an actual silver bullet.

    Kevin M (1ea396)

  54. Chansley is due to be released on July 9, 2023 which would make a Section 2255 habeas court petition moot.

    And what makes it even worse, he volunteered and was prepared to testify against Trump in the second impeachment trial, so there goes any chance of a pardon from should (GAAH!!!) Trump be elected President again.

    nk (df21c2)

  55. DRJ,

    I think that — for people not convicted of violent acts — the video issues will be used to justify pardons. I again repeat that Biden would be well served by pardoning most of those charged. It would cost him nothing and make him look magnanimous.

    Kevin M (1ea396)

  56. habeas *corpus*

    nk (df21c2)

  57. Damn it!

    Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed here are those of the commenters and are not necessarily meant to trigger any threats on the life of any persons by those unhinged by the events of Jan6.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  58. he volunteered and was prepared to testify against Trump

    Trump’s failure to pardon when he had the chance (a self-serving failure btw) has made it so that quite a few of his victimized followers would be happy to testify against him.

    Kevin M (1ea396)

  59. I felt some sense of assurance when I read here that the government was required to give defendants access to all video evidence used against them.

    I should’ve known better…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  60. I remember when conservatives chided CNN for portraying the Kenosha riots as “fiery but mostly peaceful”.
    Today, so-called conservatives are falling in line Carlson, agreeing with his depiction of the violent but mostly peaceful protests on J6. What could be dishonest or dissembling about that?
    If there isn’t a double standard going on, then it’s no standard at all.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  61. @53

    I think there was criminal conduct (trespassing, at the least) by many protesters.

    Absolutely.

    But I think there is a due process issue for any defendant that was convicted or pled guilty based in whole or part on video surveillance — provided they requested the video during discovery and were not shown/told about all tapes.

    DRJ (b39202) — 3/9/2023 @ 7:47 am

    This is worth chasing down.

    I’m not sure if there’s anything that could be done, because I think once you accept any plea deal, it’s a really tall order to take another bite of that apple, outside clear-cut malfeasance by the prosecution.

    whembly (d116f3)

  62. @62

    I remember when conservatives chided CNN for portraying the Kenosha riots as “fiery but mostly peaceful”.
    Today, so-called conservatives are falling in line Carlson, agreeing with his depiction of the violent but mostly peaceful protests on J6. What could be dishonest or dissembling about that?
    If there isn’t a double standard going on, then it’s no standard at all.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/9/2023 @ 8:27 am

    You want my honest opinion on this?

    REAP WHAT YOU SOW. (not you specifically Paul).

    The Democrats and J6 committee had every opportunity to release all the videos. Had they done that, Tucker wouldn’t be doing this now.

    whembly (d116f3)

  63. … the government was required to give defendants access to all video evidence used against them.

    They undoubtedly were given access yo all video “used against them.” The question is whether they requested all video (or all video they appeared in) and were given it.

    For all we know, the shaman got the video showing him escorted/followed in.

    DRJ (b39202)

  64. @65

    For all we know, the shaman got the video showing him escorted/followed in.

    DRJ (b39202) — 3/9/2023 @ 9:06 am

    According to his attorney at the time, they didn’t see it.

    whembly (d116f3)

  65. There may have been Court rulings restricting access to the tapes for security reasons, or allowing defense counsel to see tapes with their client(s) in a restricted setting. There may be nothing to this from a legal standpoint.

    DRJ (b39202)

  66. I thought it was Shipley saying they didn’t see it, not the prior attorney.

    DRJ (b39202)

  67. “Tucker wanted Watkins on first because Watkins said he never saw the videos. That’s an important aspect of Tucker’s reporting on the videos, and it is particularly impactful in Chansley case because of his sentence and what the videos show.”

    —- Shipwreckedcrew

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  68. Since the security tapes were under the jurisdiction of the Capitol Police (Congress) and the House Administration Committee, defense attorneys would have had to subpoena them to access the tapes.

    ……..Joseph McBride, an attorney for several Capitol riot defendants, told CNN Tuesday that McCarthy’s office granted him access to 41,000 hours of Capitol security footage from that day, and he has filed in court to seek a delay in (his client Ryan Nichols) trial.
    ………
    On Tuesday, McCarthy contended that January 6 defendants were able to access security footage of the attack before he was speaker and when former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi led the chamber.

    “The defendants have had this ability to come and see the footage,” he said.

    Pelosi spokesperson Aaron Bennett said that the California Democrat never personally authorized any defendant to access that footage “because Speaker Pelosi did not have that authority and believes that it appropriately belongs to security officials.”
    ……….
    Defense lawyers have long had access to an extensive government database of video from the riot, which is protected under a court order. As part of that discovery process, federal prosecutors have tried to keep certain CCTV clips from the Capitol complex hidden from the public, saying in court that their release would pose a national security risk and could give vital insight to bad actors who may be planning a future attack.
    ……….
    McBride wrote in the filing that “41,000 hours is more than double the amount of CCTV footage previously thought to exist.” In an interview with CNN, McBride said that “access is readily available for defense attorneys who make the request” from McCarthy’s office. He added that attorneys would have access to footage at the Capitol.
    ………
    Nichols has been charged with multiple counts for his alleged actions on January 6, including an act of physical violence and assaulting, resisting or impeding certain officers using a dangerous weapon. He has pleaded not guilty.

    Source

    More:

    U.S. Capitol Police is not commenting publicly on the security video released by Carlson, but a Capitol Hill source familiar with the matter told NBC News on Monday that “the police thought there was an agreement” with the Committee on House Administration, not with Carlson’s show, that Capitol Police would be given the opportunity to review all the clips that Fox was planning to air Monday night.

    But “the show only allowed the police to review one clip late this afternoon and then did not allow them to review any of the other clips.”

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  69. Now looks like he won’t be on, to be rescheduled.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  70. U.S. Capitol Police is not commenting publicly on the security video released by Carlson, but a Capitol Hill source familiar with the matter told NBC News

    Yawn..

    BuDuh (eaef9b)

  71. They should’ve burned those tapes, Rip. Look at what they’re having to resort to.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  72. When Mr. Chansley was being “escorted” while inside the Capitol Building, he was already a criminal for trespassing. There isn’t any video that can magically erase or exculpate that crime.

    He does get credit for not committing violence against persons and property (and I’ve seen no visual evidence otherwise), but the QAnon Shaman was among the first rioters to force their way into the building through a door broken by other rioters, and officers repeatedly asked Chansley to leave the building. This was corroborated in the plea deal that he signed (and the Statement of Offense was attached to the plea agreement) along with an officer’s account of the events.

    If Carlson’s video snippet has any value, it might’ve been for his sentencing, not his guilt.

    Here’s more from the Statement of Offense, which Mr. Chansley accepted as true and accurate.

    5. By l :50 p.m.; the defendant, Jacob Chansley, was among the members of the crowd at the police line on the West front of the U.S. Capitol building, where U.S. Capitol Police and Metropolitan Police were standing in a line behind temporary “bike rack” style barricades in order to keep back the crowd. The defendant was dressed in a viking hat with fur and horns, was shirtless, wearing red, white and blue face paint, and carrying an American flag tied to a pole with a sharp object at the tip and a bullhorn. The defendant climbed the media tower erected for the Inauguration, directly ahead of the police line holding the rioters back at the West front.

    6. At approximately 2:00 p.m., certain individuals in the crowd forced their way through, up, and over the barricades, and officers of the U.S. Capitol Police, and the crowd advanced to the exterior farcade of the building. The crowd was not lawfully authorized to enter or remain in the building and, prior to entering the building, no members of the crowd submitted to security screenings or weapons checks by U.S. Capitol Police Officers or other authorized security officials.

    7. The defendant was among the crowd that passed the police line at the West front, entered the scaffolding erected in advance of the Inauguration on top of the staircase heading up to the Lower West Terrace of the U.S. Capitol building. The defendant and others pushed past the police line at the top of the scaffolding, and entered the Upper West Terrace of the U.S. Capitol building at approximately 2: 10 p.m.
    […]
    9. The defendant was with the mob that approached the first floor of the U.S. Capitol building on the Senate side. Other members of the crowd broke two windows and crawled inside the building at approximately 2: 13 p.m. Those rioters then broke open the door to the U.S. Capitol building between the two broken windows, setting off a loud alarm. The defendant then entered through the broken door at approximately 2:14 p.m. The defendant was one of the first 30 rioters inside the U.S. Capitol building.

    10. Shortly thereafter, at approximately 2:20 p.m., members of the United States House of Representatives and United States Senate, including the President of the Senate, Vice President Pence, were instructed to–and did–evacuate the chambers. Accordingly, all proceedings of the United States Congress, including the joint session, were effectively suspended until shortly after 8:00 p.m. the same day.

    11. At approximately 2:16 p.m., the defendant and other rioters ascended the stairs to the second floor to the Senate side of the U.S. Capitol building. In a clearing on the second floor, the defendant and other rioters were met by a line of U.S. Capitol Police officers, instructing them to peacefully leave the building. The defendant challenged U.S. Capitol Police Officer K. R. to let them pass, ultimately using his bullhorn to rile up the crowd and demand that lawmakers be brought out.

    12. Instead of obeying the instructions of the U.S. Capitol Police to leave the building, the defendant traversed another staircase to the third floor of the Senate side of the U.S. Capitol building. At approximately 2:52 p.m., the defendant entered the Gallery of the Senate alone. The defendant then proceeded to scream obscenities in the Gallery, while other rioters flooded the Chamber below.

    13. The defendant then left the Gallery and proceeded down a staircase in an attempt to gain entry to the Senate floor. There, the defendant once again encountered Officer K.R., who once again asked him to leave the building. The defendant insisted that others were already on the Senate floor and he was going to join them. Officer K.R. then followed the defendant on to the Senate floor.

    FTR, my longstanding position is that any protester who choses to become a rioter should be prosecuted and sentenced to the full extent of the law. Why? Because it’s offending that anyone would abuse their First Amendment rights like that.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  73. DOJ argues new Jan. 6 footage release shouldn’t extend trials
    ………
    In multiple filings, the DOJ argues that footage aired by a “television host” on Monday has been available to defendants during the nearly two-year discovery period in cases.
    ……..
    “Nearly all of the footage displayed on the program has long been in the possession of defense counsel through global discovery and, in some cases, has also been admitted in public hearings and/or trials and has been available to, released to, and/or published by news media,” the DOJ argued in a filing Tuesday.

    In both cases, U.S. v. Ryan Nichols and U.S. v. Shane Jenkins, the DOJ is seeking to have requests for further delays due to claims on new evidence in defendants’ cases rejected.

    The Justice Department in the Jenkins case says that defendants are asking for “access to evidence that is likely immaterial, outside the government’s possession, and/or already provided in discovery,” adding that the motion for delay should be denied in both cases.

    In the Nichols case, the DOJ says the defendant’s claim that his lawyers can examine Capitol security footage, made available to Carlson by House Speaker Kevin McCarthy, and that his lawyers spoke with a congressional staffer with knowledge of documents from the Jan. 6 committee are not enough to warrant a delay. DOJ lawyers also say the defendant has provided no proof of permission to examine the footage and has not given insight into how the Jan. 6 committee documents will benefit his case.
    ……..

    Ryan Nichols is charged with:

    Civil Disorder, Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, Assaulting, Resisting, or Impeding Certain Officers Using a Dangerous Weapon, Theft of Government Property, Entering and Remaining in a Restricted Building or Grounds with a Deadly or Dangerous Weapon, Disorderly and Disruptive Conduct in a Restricted Building or Grounds with a Deadly or Dangerous Weapon, Unlawful Possession of a Dangerous Weapon on Capitol Grounds or Buildings, Disorderly Conduct in a Capitol Building, Act of Physical Violence in the Capitol Grounds or Buildings, and Parading, Demonstrating, or Picketing in a Capitol Building

    Shane Jenkins is charged with:

    Civil Disorder; Assaulting, Resisting, or Impeding Certain Officers Using a Dangerous Weapon; Theft of Government Property; Destruction of Government Property; Entering and Remaining in a Restricted Building or Grounds with a Deadly or Dangerous Weapon; Disorderly and Disruptive Conduct in a Restricted Building or Grounds with a Deadly or Dangerous Weapon; Engaging in Physical Violence in a Restricted Building or Grounds with a Deadly or Dangerous Weapon; Disorderly Conduct in the Capitol Grounds or Building; Act of Physical Violence in the Capitol Grounds or Buildings

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  74. When Mr. Chansley was being “escorted” while inside the Capitol Building, he was already a criminal for trespassing.

    In addition, he may have been under arrest while being escorted out.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  75. If the footage has been available all this time, why is there such panic… why the calls for censorship?… why the pushback?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  76. If any of you still read the Rip News Service, one must not forget:

    * this is DC
    * juries will be filled with partisan Democrats
    * many of those charged have trouble finding lawyers to represent them, as the Dem machine tries to destroy any lawyers who do take on any rightwing clients.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  77. I’m confused. Just the other day the DoJ was saying they didn’t have all the video, now they say they’ve had it all for 2 years? IF the defendants had access to it all, why does it come as such a surprise.

    Did they have to ask for video from camera 127, between time X and time Y in order to get that one (not having seen it yet) or would a blanket subpoena work.

    And even if they had immediate and online access to every frame, not one of the defendants could afford the cost of reviewing all that video (the DoJ, otoh, had no problem).

    It’s clear that the DoJ did not provide all the video covering each defendant. I would guess they only gave those portions the prosecution intended to show.

    It all adds up to stupid lawyer games, with the cause of actual justice lost in the mix. Of course, maybe the defendants aren’t looking for “actual justice”….

    Kevin M (1ea396)

  78. juries will be filled with partisan Democrats

    Only a fool would request a jury trial. They’d have better luck with a bench trial.

    Kevin M (1ea396)

  79. Assaulting, Resisting, or Impeding Certain Officers Using a Dangerous Weapon

    This is really all they have to prove — it’s enough to put them away for years. Some videos of them NOT attacking officers doesn’t fix video showing them doing it.

    Kevin M (1ea396)

  80. he was already a criminal for trespassing

    This is how words lose meaning. Am I a “criminal” for exceeding the posted speed limit? Were blacks who sat at the Woolworth lunch counter in 1957 “criminals”? Is it different from “felon” and if so, how?

    Kevin M (1ea396)

  81. Never seeing the tapes doesn’t mean they asled for them and/or were not informed of their existence.

    DRJ (2046b4)

  82. A criminal is someone who has committed a crime. Trespassing at a federal facility is a crime. It may not be a dangerous crime, or it might be, but it is still a crime.

    DRJ (2046b4)

  83. Am I a “criminal” for exceeding the posted speed limit? Were blacks who sat at the Woolworth lunch counter in 1957 “criminals”?

    No, violating the speed limit is an infraction, not crime, unless you cause an accident resulting in injury or death.

    Apparently the Greensboro sit-ins resulted only in the arrest of three white counter-protestors.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  84. Come senators, congressmen

    Please heed the call

    Don’t stand in the doorway

    Don’t hide in teh stall

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  85. Shaman may have a timing problem for his appeal.

    DRJ (2046b4)

  86. For nearly 20 years, one photograph stood between Sheldon Thomas and freedom.

    It was a picture of a different Sheldon Thomas.

    In 2004, police officers showed the image of a young Black man to a witness, who chose him from an array of six as a suspect in a fatal shooting in Brooklyn’s East Flatbush neighborhood. That identification withstood scrutiny through an indictment, trial and appeals over more than 18 years.

    But now, the Brooklyn district attorney’s office is saying that detectives, prosecutors and the original trial’s judge knew from the outset that the photo in the array wasn’t actually of the man they wanted to arrest, but they proceeded anyway.

    In a new report from the Brooklyn district attorney’s conviction review unit provided to The Times, prosecutors said that the two men shared a name, and they had addresses in the same precinct, but police investigators knew early on that they were different people.

    Mr. Thomas, 35, is scheduled to appear in court on Thursday afternoon before Matthew J. D’Emic, a judge with the Brooklyn Supreme Court. The district attorney’s office said in its report that the conviction should be vacated.

    The case was “compromised from the very start by grave errors and lack of probable cause to arrest Mr. Thomas,” District Attorney Eric Gonzalez said in a statement.

    “He was further deprived of his due process rights when the prosecution proceeded even after the erroneous identification came to light,” Mr. Gonzalez said, calling the conviction “fundamentally unfair.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/09/nyregion/brooklyn-exoneration-sheldon-thomas.html

    Davethulhu (607d18)

  87. This is how words lose meaning. Am I a “criminal” for exceeding the posted speed limit? Were blacks who sat at the Woolworth lunch counter in 1957 “criminals”? Is it different from “felon” and if so, how?

    That’s a silly bit of sophistry, Kevin. The charging documents for rioters are literally titled “Criminal Complaint”.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  88. Pouncer wrote

    Take one question of fact. Was Brian Sicknick killed in the insurrection, as the committee claims? Or was he shown on video walking around, apparently uninjured, as Carlson broadcast? Is the video fake — CGI? Edited to show early events spliced into a later sequence? If Carlson “lied” he also faked up supporting evidence — can we examine that claim in detail?

    While officer Sicknick’s family and fellow officers claim the injuries he sustained from the rioting Trump supports contributed to the stroke that killed him the next day I don’t think the Jan 6 committee has claimed that that in their report.

    Maybe I missed it, can you show me where the committee made that claim?

    Time123 (d948f2)

  89. This is how words lose meaning. Am I a “criminal” for exceeding the posted speed limit? Were blacks who sat at the Woolworth lunch counter in 1957 “criminals”? Is it different from “felon” and if so, how?

    Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/9/2023 @ 11:13 am

    1. Depends on how fast you’re driving. Enough over the posted limit is a criminal offense in some places.
    2. Yes, they were criminals who violated an unjust and racist law.

    Time123 (d948f2)

  90. HEARING ON THE JANUARY 6TH INVESTIGATION
    HEARING BEFORE THE
    SELECT COMMITTEE TO INVESTIGATE THE JANUARY 6TH ATTACK ON THE UNITED STATES CAPITOL
    HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
    ONE HUNDRED SEVENTEENTH CONGRESS SECOND SESSION
    JULY 21, 2022
    Serial No. 117–9
    Printed for the use of the Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol

    …. Mrs. LURIA. President Trump has never publicly acknowledged his responsibility for the attack. The only time he apparently did so was in that private call with Kevin McCarthy. There’s some- thing else President Trump has never acknowledged: The names and the memories of the officers who died following the attack on the Capitol.
    We’re honored to be joined tonight by police and first responders who bravely protected us on January 6th. Your character and cour- age give us hope that democracy can and should prevail, even in the face of a violent insurrection. We on this dais can never thank you enough for what you did to protect our democracy.
    On January 9th, two of President Trump’s top campaign officials texted each other about the President’s glaring silence on the tragic death of Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick, who succumbed to his injuries the night of January 7th.

    https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CHRG-117hhrg49356/pdf/CHRG-117hhrg49356.pdf

    Time, do you know who Mrs Luria is? Did Brian Sicknick succumb to injuries?

    BuDuh (eaef9b)

  91. BuDuh, Read the full comment. She’s describing the content of texts between 2 of Trump’s to campaign officials. Even if she weren’t, there’s a difference, an important one, between a statement made by a single member of a committee in a hearing and official finding of the committee.

    What did the committee report say about Officer Sicknick that you object to?

    Time123 (d948f2)

  92. BuDuh (eaef9b) — 3/9/2023 @ 1:25 pm

    Did Brian Sicknick succumb to injuries?

    The DC medical examiner went along with that.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick

    The District of Columbia chief medical examiner found that Sicknick had died from stroke, classifying his death as natural[a] and additionally commented that “all that transpired played a role in his condition.”

    But not really.

    https://www.npr.org/2021/04/19/988876722/capitol-police-officer-brian-sicknick-died-of-natural-causes-medical-examiner-ru

    U.S. Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick, who engaged with pro-Trump rioters during the Jan. 6 insurrection, died of natural causes the day after the attack, Washington, D.C.’s chief medical examiner announced Monday.

    Sicknick died after suffering strokes, the Office of Chief Medical Examiner, Dr. Francisco Diaz, said in a report. In an interview, Diaz told The Washington Post, which first reported on the determination, that Sicknick suffered two strokes.

    Sicknick, 42, was sprayed with a chemical substance outside the Capitol at around 2:20 p.m. ET on Jan. 6, the report said.

    He did not suffer an allergic reaction to the chemical irritants dispensed by rioters, Diaz told the Post, nor was there evidence of internal or external injuries.

    At approximately 10 p.m., Sicknick collapsed at the Capitol and was transported to a local hospital. He died nearly 24 hours later.

    Officials had said that Sicknick died a day after he sustained injuries during the attack. The Justice Department had opened a federal murder investigation into his death.

    In a statement, the U.S. Capitol Police said it accepts the medical examiner’s finding. “This does not change the fact Officer Sicknick died in the line of duty, courageously defending Congress and the Capitol,” the statement said…

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  93. No she isn’t, Time. She is adding the succumbed to injury part.

    By focusing on the “report” you ignore what the show trial spread to the masses.

    Did the committee have an obligation to present to the public an accurate representation of Sicknick’s death?

    BuDuh (eaef9b)

  94. Tucker Carlson’s biggest lie is that anything truthful he says about Sicknick is a new revelation.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  95. I actually didn’t watch much of the hearings. I prefer to read the reports. But They should provide accuracy. If they overstated the extent to which the beating officer sicknick took at the hands of conservative republicans contributed to his death they made a mistake. If nothing else it allows GOPers who want to excuse political violence a chance to change the subject.

    Time123 (d948f2)

  96. The problem is, of course, that Trump’s lies infected Fox and other right of center media, making the leftist MSM seem almost reasonable.

    Kevin M (68cd98) — 3/9/2023 @ 6:24 am

    No. That’s just people who have decided they hate Trump so much that they moved left as a result. The Times has gotten further left over the past decade.

    NJRob (1005fb)

  97. Is the footage of Sicknick walking around a new revelation, Sammy? Where did you view it prior to Tucker’s broadcast?

    BuDuh (eaef9b)

  98. Time123 (d948f2) — 3/9/2023 @ 6:44 am

    I wish FWO was still around. You’re a disgusting troll.

    NJRob (1005fb)

  99. I appreciate the small agreement in the middle of your 1:50, Time.

    BuDuh (eaef9b)

  100. Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/9/2023 @ 7:17 am

    * Giuliani: “If we are wrong we will be made fools of, but if we’re right a lot of them will go to jail. So let’s have trial by combat.”

    This is a statement ripped out of context: (Giuliani was saying let’s collect evidence and have a few people argue. That was the “combat”)

    https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/rudy-giuliani-speech-transcript-at-trumps-washington-d-c-rally-wants-trial-by-combat

    Crowd: (01:44) Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy.

    Rudy Giuliani: (01:49)
    It seems to me, we don’t want to find out three weeks from now even more proof that this election was stolen, do we?

    Crowd: (01:58)
    No.

    Rudy Giuliani: (02:01)
    So it is perfectly reasonable and fair to get 10 days… and you should know this, the Democrats and their allies have not allowed us to see one machine, or one paper ballot. Now if they ran such a clean election, why wouldn’t they make all the machines available immediately? If they ran such a clean election, they’d have you come in and look at the paper ballots. Who hides evidence? Criminals hide evidence. Not honest people.

    Rudy Giuliani: (02:43)

    Over the next 10 days, we get to see the machines that are crooked, the ballots that are fraudulent, and if we’re wrong, we will be made fools of. But if we’re right, a lot of them will go to jail. Let’s have trial by combat. I’m willing to stake my reputation, the President is willing to stake his reputation, on the fact that we’re going to find criminality there.

    Rudy Giuliani: (03:24)
    Is Joe Biden willing to stake his reputation that there’s no crime there? No. Also, last night one of the experts that has examined these crooked dominion machines has absolutely what he believes is conclusive proof that in the last 10%, 15% of the vote counted, the votes were deliberately changed. By the same algorithm that was used in cheating President Trump and Vice President Pence. Same algorithm, same system, same thing was done with the same machines. You notice they were ahead until the very end, right? Then you noticed there was a little gap, one was ahead by 3%, the other was ahead by 2%, and gone, gone, they were even. He can take you through that and show you how they programmed that machine from the outside to accomplish that. And they’ve been doing it for years to favor the Democrats.

    Rudy Giuliani: (04:34)
    It is a matter of scientific proof. We need two days to establish that. It would be a shame if that gets established after it’s over, wouldn’t it be? This was the worst election in American history. This election was stolen in seven states. They picked states where they have crooked Democratic cities, where they could push everybody around. And it has to be vindicated to save our republic. This is bigger than Donald Trump. It’s bigger than you and me. It’s about these monuments and what they stand for.

    Note. Trump actually did slightly better than in 2016 in the overwhelmingly Democratic cities; he didworse in Republican suburbs.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  101. Also to change the votes, you’d have to change them in the individual precincts -and in most places there were paper ballot backups and other auditing tools.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  102. Eastman: “We no longer live in a self-governing republic if we don’t get the answer to this question. Anybody who is not willing to stand up and do it does not deserve to be in the office. It is that simple.”

    A statement of opinion. Maybe opinion John Eastman did not believe

    Rep. Mo Brooks: “Today is the day American patriots start taking down names and kicking ass.”

    ** “And we fight. We fight like Hell and if you don’t fight like Hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”

    None of this refers to physical violence.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  103. BuDun I meant it.

    What happened on Jan 6 was horrible. Supporters of a sitting president literally stormed the capital in an attempt to prevent the certification of his opponent. I think all the noise that distracts from this is bad. If the MAGA rioters didn’t beat Sicknick to death focusing on how much, if any, their assault on the officer had to do with this death is a distraction. One that people who feel some kinship with the rioters will use.

    I’m a small government fiscal conservative/ social liberal. Neither party wants much to do with me, or my policy preferences right now.

    I view what MAGA tried to do in 2020 with horror in large part because i can easily see how a less incompetent group of leaders could have made it work.

    Trump tried to use lies of election fraud which, is a falsifiable claim that could be tried in court. (It was and failed over and over again for lack of evidence) But It doesn’t take a lot of imagination to visualize a Dem using claims about voter suppression to run a similar play. And someone less incompetent might have more success.

    I’m deeply frustrated that so many in the GOP seem eager to excuse this if it prevents a loss at the polls. How a GOP candidate addresses the lies about fraud and Jan 6 is probably the biggest factor in if I will vote for or support them. I’m an easy get for a GOP candidate. I understand that some ambiguity is the minimum required to get past a primary, but that’s about as far as I can go on it.

    Time123 (d948f2)

  104. BuDuh (eaef9b) — 3/9/2023 @ 1:52 pm

    Is the footage of Sicknick walking around a new revelation, Sammy? Where did you view it prior to Tucker’s broadcast?

    The footage is new, but nobody after a day or so (even those who claimed he was struck by a fire extinguisher) ever said anything else other than he was walking around.

    by J. DAVID MCSWANE, PROPUBLICA | PUBLISHED JAN 9, 2021 12:44 PM EST

    https://taskandpurpose.com/news/brian-sicknick-family-capitol-riot
    ….While some news reports had said an unnamed officer was in critical condition after being bludgeoned with a fire extinguisher, family members did not have details of his injuries. They say Sicknick had texted them Wednesday night to say that while he had been pepper-sprayed, he was in good spirits. The text arrived hours after a mob’s assault on the Capitol had left more than 50 officers injured and five people dead.

    “He texted me last night and said, ‘I got pepper-sprayed twice,’ and he was in good shape,” said Ken Sicknick, his brother, as the family drove toward Washington. “Apparently he collapsed in the Capitol and they resuscitated him using CPR.”

    But the day after that text exchange, the family got word that Brian Sicknick had a blood clot and had had a stroke; a ventilator was keeping him alive. Tucker knew what he would find before he looked.

    Some people lied at the beginning: (And/or confused him with another police officer or twwo hit by fire extinguishers)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick

    Multiple media outlets reported Sicknick’s death was due to injuries he sustained, but months later the Washington D.C. medical examiner reported there were no injuries to Sicknick.[3] Within a day after his death, the U.S. Capitol Police and the U.S. Justice Department each said that his death was due to injuries from the riot.[6][7][8] Meanwhile media, citing two anonymous law enforcement officials, incorrectly reported for weeks that Sicknick had died after being struck in the head with a fire extinguisher during the unrest.[3][9][10]

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/brian-sicknick-fire-extinguisher

    Citing two unnamed law enforcement sources, the Times initially reported Sicknick “was struck with a fire extinguisher,” but on Feb. 16, 2021, the Times updated the story to note that those sources may not have provided accurate information, reporting:

    Law enforcement officials initially said Mr. Sicknick was struck with a fire extinguisher, but weeks later, police sources and investigators were at odds over whether he was hit. Medical experts have said he did not die of blunt force trauma, according to one law enforcement official.

    But more than three months later, the D.C. Office of the Chief Medical Examiner made public Sicknick’s cause of death. The 42-year-old suffered a stroke and died from natural causes.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  105. I did not properly separate the quote from what I said:

    But the day after that text exchange, the family got word that Brian Sicknick had a blood clot and had had a stroke; a ventilator was keeping him alive.

    Tucker knew what he would find before he looked.

    That’s my point.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  106. And someone less incompetent might have more success.

    Someone with more allies holding public office.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  107. I wish FWO was still around. You’re a disgusting troll.

    NJRob (1005fb) — 3/9/2023 @ 1:52 pm

    I enjoyed talking with him.
    Which part of what I said was factually inaccurate?
    Because I don’t think I’ve said anything about Jan 6 that isn’t accurate.

    Time123 (d948f2)

  108. So what Carlson has attempted to demonstrate is that a person of bad faith can (1) Create a “narrative” (2) pay a team of dozens to review thousands of hours of video (3) selectively edit together a minute or so of clips from those hours that (4) appears to “prove” the chosen narrative and (5) roll out that “proof” to millions of already biased voters in prime time TV.

    Okay.

    Seems to me that Carlson has made an interesting point, even if not the one now discussed. Aren’t steps 1-5 very similar to the progress of the House Committee’s “investigation”?

    If a completely new agent came up with a novel narrative, reviewed the video with a well-trained staff, cherry-picked the evidence, and put short visuals out on prime time … would that now aid, or hinder, the public in determining the truth underlying events?

    Pouncer (f80f11)

  109. Time,

    You continue to troll. You libeled several of us. You are a leftist, first, last and only. I expect no less.

    NJRob (1005fb)

  110. You libeled several of us.

    You obviously have no idea what libel is.

    You are a leftist, first, last and only.

    Nor what a leftist is.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  111. Lurker,

    you don’t. A social leftist is a leftist. Because their decisions will ultimately support those beliefs. That’s what defines them. Period.

    Thanks for playing.

    Your lack of literacy is telling.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  112. Lol. Believe what you want.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  113. @112 Truth is a defense in libel. I eagerly await your answer to my question about which of my statements was inaccurate.

    Time123 (40be1e)

  114. @113, Rob’s a bit bent by partisanship and tends to use words in novel ways.

    Time123 (40be1e)

  115. Among people that took a plea deal, by far the most common charge was: “Parading, demonstrating, or picketing in a Capitol building”.

    https://www.insider.com/capitol-rioters-who-pleaded-guilty-updated-list-2021-5

    A brief review of that site shows that “Parading, demonstrating, or picketing in a Capitol building” was going to be well over 1/2 of the people. Then there were quite a few “Entering and remaining in a restricted building or grounds” so about 2/3 or more of the pleas were for people making a nuisance of themselves.
    I’m guessing “parading” is a legal term that means walking to normal people? “Parade means any march or procession consisting of people, animals, bicycles, vehicles, or combination thereof, except wedding processions and funeral processions, upon any public street or sidewalk which does not comply with adopted traffic regulations or controls.”

    Yeah but what about the people who attacked police, defaced property etc? From the coverage I did watch, I thought that was the vast majority of the 1003 people collected so far. I’m actually feeling a bit better that the number of asses was fewer then I’d been led to believe by the news anchors at NBC ABC CBS and CNN, the newspapers. There might be more amongst the next 1000, but if all they are going to do is charge 400 of them with parading? I’d say don’t bother. Offer to let them sign and swear they will never set foot on Capitol grounds again like as if they just stole a Rice Cooker from CVS and got permanently banned from the premises

    steveg (b792af)

  116. SteveG, I think it’s clear that the DOJ is charging conservatively. Unless they have strong proof of violence they’re bringing lesser charges. Whether this is out of mercy, a desire not to lose any cases, lack of specific evidence as to who committed specific acts of violence, or a desire to bring down the temperature is up to debate.

    I don’t think it’s evidence that hundreds of ppl didn’t assault the police and seize the capital because there is ample visual record that exactly that happened.

    But criminal convictions have a high standard of proof and specificity.

    Time123 (40be1e)

  117. Exclusive — Watch: Speaker McCarthy Vows Full Public Release of Capitol’s January 6 Surveillance Tapes

    House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) told Breitbart News on Wednesday that he intends to fully release to the public the tens of thousands of hours of U.S. Capitol surveillance footage from January 6, 2021.

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/03/09/exclusive-watch-speaker-mccarthy-vows-full-public-release-of-capitols-january-6-surveillance-tapes/

    DCSCA (5d6e8d)

  118. Shipwreckedcrew did a good job of explaining the situation with Jacob Chansley on Tucker. Just wrapped up.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  119. 117… “Rob’s a bit bent by partisanship and tends to use words in novel ways.”

    Heh! That’s pretty rich coming from a guy who all these months later can’t correctly spell the former Rep from Wyoming’s last name and never learned the correct usage of “then” and “than”.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  120. “I think it’s clear that the DOJ is charging conservatively.”

    Indeed… it’s what they are known for, lol.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  121. When I comment on my my phone the spelling and grammar tend to be atrocious. Hope it doesn’t cause you too much confusion as to my meaning.

    Time123 (7512e0)

  122. As opposed to when I used a keyboard and my spelling and grammar are just very bad.

    Time123 (7512e0)

  123. Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 3/9/2023 @ 2:02 pm

    Sammy, you’re parsing this terribly. The context is that all those speakers stood in front of a crowd directly invited by Trump, and they lied and used inflammatory rhetorical to an already amped up crowd on a day of transition when our democracy was at its most vulnerable.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  124. There are lots of people who support violent riots intended if they’re done by their side and are happy to lie about what happened. In the case of Jan 6 we can count Trump, Tucker, JF, NJRob, Colonial Haiku among them. Trump went so far as to say we should throw out the constitution.

    Here’s a big lie that would’ve gotten someone banned in previous times. But we know NeverTrump social leftists get to insult conservatives however they want.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  125. Here’s a big lie that would’ve gotten someone banned in previous times. But we know NeverTrump social leftists get to insult conservatives however they want.

    Classic Rob in a nutshell, whining about getting smeared and then smearing the other guy in the very next sentence.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  126. Calling someone what they admit to being in a post above is a smear?

    Who knew.

    Guess that’s why they try to ban libsofticktok

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  127. Rob, your every comment on this topic is to excuse, change the subject and minimize. I maintain that my characterization of your position is accurate.

    While you’ve recently started acknowledging that some violence did occur it’s clear that you have no real objection to the riot overall.

    Feel free to email a mod and ask them to address if my comment violates the rules of the site.

    Time123 (7512e0)

  128. Full of crap as usual. I’ve said in the past that those who committed violence should be prosecuted. But you are a liar so you ignore that and just double down. Typical.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  129. I acknowledged that, Readers are free to make their own decisions on if my characterization of your position is accurate or not.

    Time123 (7512e0)

  130. Time123 knows his legions of unsubstantiated smears will never get moderated

    he’s also suffering from frosty/FWO withdrawal, so go easy on him Rob

    JF (33c07e)

  131. Calling someone what they admit to being in a post above is a smear?

    When did Time ever admit to being a leftist?

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  132. “If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, than/then it’s probably a duck.”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  133. https://naomiwolf.substack.com/p/dear-conservatives-i-am-sorry

    Outspoken with Dr Naomi Wolf
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    Dear Conservatives, I Apologize
    My “Team” was Taken in By Full-Spectrum Propaganda

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    There is no way to avoid this moment. The formal letter of apology. From me. To Conservatives and to those who “put America first” everywhere.

    It’s tempting to sweep this confrontation with my own gullibility under the rug — to “move on” without ever acknowledging that I was duped, and that as a result I made mistakes in judgement, and that these mistakes, multiplied by the tens of thousands and millions on the part of people just like me, hurt millions of other people like you all, in existential ways.

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    But that erasure of personal and public history would be wrong.

    I owe you a full-throated apology.

    I believed a farrago of lies. And, as a result of these lies, and my credulity — and the credulity of people similarly situated to me – many conservatives’ reputations are being tarnished, on false bases.

    The proximate cause of this letter of apology is the airing, two nights ago, of excepts from tens of thousands of hours of security camera footage from the United States Capitol taken on Jan 6, 2021. The footage was released by House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) to Fox News commentator Tucker Carlson [https://www.axios.com/2023/03/08/mccarthy-defends-jan-6-footage-tucker-carlson-fox-news].

    While “fact-checkers” state that it is “misinformation” to claim that Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi was in charge of Capitol Police on that day [https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/07/27/fact-check-nancy-pelosi-isnt-in-charge-capitol-police/8082088002/], the fact is that the USCP is under the oversight of Congress, according to — the United States Capitol Police: [https://www.uscp.gov/the-department/oversight].

    This would be the same Congress that convened the January 6 Committee subsequently, and that used millions of dollars in taxpayer money to turn that horrible day, and that tragic event, into a message point that would be used to tar a former President as a would-be terrorist, and to smear all Republicans, by association, as “insurrectionists,” or as insurrectionists’ sympathizers and fellow-travelers.

    There is no way to unsee Officer Brian Sicknick, claimed by some Democrats in leadership and by most of the legacy media to have been killed by rioters at the Capitol that day, alive in at least one section of the newly released video. The USCP medical examiner states that this Officer died of “natural causes,” but also that he died “in the line of duty.” Whatever the truth of this confusing conclusion, and with all respect for and condolences to Officer Sicknick’s family, the circumstances of his death do matter to the public, as without his death having been caused by the events of Jan 6, the breach of the capitol, serious though it was, cannot be described as a “deadly insurrection.” [https://www.uscp.gov/media-center/press-releases/medical-examiner-finds-uscp-officer-brian-sicknick-died-natural-causes] Sadly, though the contrary was what was reported, Officer Sicknick died two days after Jan 6, from suffering two strokes. https://lawandcrime.com/u-s-capitol-siege/capitol-police-officer-brian-sicknick-died-of-natural-causes-after-suffering-two-strokes-day-after-jan-6-report/

    There is no way for anyone thoughtful, even if he or she is a lifelong Democrat, not to notice that Sen Chuck Schumer did not say to the world that the footage that Mr Carlson aired was not real. Rather, he warned that it was “shameful” for Fox to allow us to see it. The Guardian characterized Mr Carlson’s and Fox News’ sin, weirdly, as “Over-Use” of Jan 6 footage. Isn’t the press supposed to want full transparency for all public interest events? [https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2023/mar/07/biden-medicare-taxes-desantis-trump-2024-live-updates] How can you “over-use” real footage of events of national relevance?

    Sen Mitch McConnell (R-KY), Senate minority leader, did not say the video on Fox News was fake or doctored. He said, rather, that it was “a mistake” to depart from the views of the events held by the chief of the Capitol Police. This is a statement from McConnell about orthodoxy — not a statement about a specific truth or untruth. [https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5060662/senator-mcconnell-calls-tucker-carlsons-depiction-january-6-attack-mistake]

    I don’t agree with Mr Carlson’s interpretation of the videos as depicting “mostly peaceful chaos.”[https://thehill.com/homenews/media/3887103-tucker-carlson-shows-the-first-of-his-jan-6-footage-calls-it-mostly-peaceful-chaos/] I do think it is a mistake to downplay how serious it is when a legislative institution suffers a security breach of any kind, however that came to be.

    But you don’t have to agree with Mr Carlson’s interpretation of the videos, to believe, as I do, that he engaged in valuable journalism simply by airing the footage that was leaked to him.

    And remember, by law that footage belongs to us — it is a public record, and all public records literally belong to the American people. “In a democracy, records belong to the people,” explains the National Archives. [https://www.archives.gov/publications/general-info-leaflets/1-about-archives.html]

    You don’t have to agree with Carlson’s interpretation of the videos, to notice the latest hypocrisy by the Left. My acquaintance and personal hero Daniel Ellsberg was rightly lionized by the Left for having illegally leaked the Pentagon Papers. The New York Times was rightly applauded for having run this leaked material in 1971. [https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/1435/daniel-ellsberg].

    I do not see how Mr Carlson’s airing of video material of national significance that the current government would prefer to keep hidden, or Fox News’ support for its disclosure to the public, is any different from that famous case of disclosure of inside information of public importance.

    You don’t have to agree with Mr Carlson’s interpretation of the videos, to conclude that the Democrats in leadership, for their own part, have cherry-picked, hyped, spun, and in some ways appear to have lied about, aspects of January 6, turning a tragedy for the nation into a politicized talking point aimed at discrediting half of our electorate.

    From the start, there have been things about the dominant, Democrats’ and legacy media’s, narrative of Jan 6, that seemed off, or contradictory, to me. (That does not mean I agree with the interpretation of these events in general on the right. Bear with me).

    There is no way to un-hear the interview that Mr Carlson did with former Capitol police office Tarik Johnson, who said that he received no guidance when he called his superiors, terrified, as the Capitol was breached, to ask for direction. [https://www.foxnews.com/media/tucker-carlson-talks-exclusively-key-capitol-police-officer-ignored-by-jan-6-panel-amid-footage-release]

    That situation is anomalous.

    There is always a security chain of command in the Capitol, at the Rayburn Building, at the White House of course, and so on, which is part of a rock-solid “security plan.” [https://www.dhs.gov/news/2014/09/30/written-testimony-usss-director-house-committee-oversight-and-government-reform].

    There are usually, indeed, multiple snipers standing on the steps of the Capitol, facing outward. I made note of this when I was researching and writing The End of America. There is never improvisation, or any confusion in security practices or in what is expected of “the security plan”, involving “principals” such as Members of Congress, or staff at the White House. I know this as a former political consultant and former White House spouse.

    The reason for a tightly scripted chain of command and an absolutely ironclad security plan in these buildings, is so that security crises such as the events of Jan 6 can never happen.

    The fact that so much confusion in security practice took place on Jan 6, is hard to understand.

    There is no way to not see that among the violent and terrifying scenes of that day, as revealed by Mr Carlson, there were also scenes of officers with the United States Capitol Police accompanying one protester who would become iconic, the “Q-Anon Shaman”, Jacob Chansley – and escorting him peaceably through the hallways of our nation’s legislative center. [https://www.foxnews.com/media/former-lawyer-qanon-shaman-says-jan-6-footage-wasnt-shown-client-calls-prison-sentence-tragedy].

    I was oddly unsurprised to see the “Q-Anon Shaman” being ushered through the hallways by Capitol Police; he was ready for the cameras in full makeup, horned fur hat, his tattooed chest bare (on a freezing day), and adorned in other highly cinematic regalia. I don’t know what Mr Chansley thought he was doing there that day, but so many subsequent legacy media images of the event put him so dramatically front and center — and the barbaric nature of his appearance was so illustrative of exactly the message that Democrats in leadership wished to send about the event — that I am not surprised to see that his path to the center of events was not blocked but was apparently facilitated by Capitol Police.

    A point I have made over and over since 9/11 is that many events in history are both real and hyped. Many actors in historic events have their agendas, but are also at times used by other people with their own agendas, in ways of which the former are unaware. Terrorists and terrorism in the Bush era are one example. This issue was both real and hyped.

    “Patriots” or “insurgents” (depending on who you are) entering the Capitol can be part of a real event that is also exploited or manipulated by others. We don’t know yet if this is the case in relation to the events of Jan 6, or to what extent it may be the case. That is where a real investigation must come in.

    But as someone who has studied history, and the theatrics of history, for decades, I was not at all surprised to see, on Mr Carlson’s security camera footage, the person who was to became the most memorable ‘face’ of the ‘insurrection’ (or the riot, or the Capitol breach) — escorted to the beating heart of the action, where his image could be memorialized by a battery of cameras forever.

    There are other aspects of the Jan 6 breach that seemed anomalous to me from the start. I study the relationship in history of buildings such as The White House and the Capitol, to the US public; I follow the way in which the public is either welcomed into or barred from these structures.

    The White House itself and the Capitol steps have often been open to US citizens. They are public buildings.

    Indeed, inaugurations have been open public events in which the US citizenry simply entered the building for the celebration; this tradition lasted from President Jefferson’s inauguration in 1801, to 1885.

    Things got very chaotic indeed in 1829. “On March 4, 1829, Andrew Jackson upholds an inaugural tradition begun by Thomas Jefferson and hosts an open house at the White House.

    After Jackson’s swearing-in ceremony and address to Congress, the new president returned to the White House to meet and greet a flock of politicians, celebrities and citizens. Very shortly, the crowd swelled to more than 20,000, turning the usually dignified White House into a boisterous mob scene. Some guests stood on furniture in muddy shoes while others rummaged through rooms looking for the president–breaking dishes, crystal and grinding food into the carpet along the way. […]

    The White House open-house tradition continued until several assassination attempts heightened security concerns. The trend ended in 1885 when Grover Cleveland opted instead to host a parade, which he viewed in safety from a grandstand set up in front of the White House.” [https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/jackson-holds-open-house-at-the-white-house].

    And inaugurations were not the only occasions in which US citizens approached their public buildings in Washington.

    The Bonus Army, which massed in the summer of 1932, during the Depression, to claim the financial “bonus” promised to veterans who had served in World War I, is an example of citizens assembling peaceably at the Capitol. When I was an undergraduate, we were taught that the Bonus Army sat on the steps of the Capitol and lobbied the legislators who were entering and leaving the building. I remember from my history textbook, images of crowds seated on the Capitol steps in 1932.

    “[M]ore than 25,000 veterans and their families traveled to Washington, DC, to petition Congress and President Herbert Hoover to award them their bonus immediately. Fortunately for the marchers, Pelham Glassford, the local police chief and a veteran of the war himself, made accommodations for this influx, including the creation of an enormous camp in the Anacostia Flats […]. Glassford understood that Americans had an inherent right to assemble in Washington and petition the government for the “redress of grievances” without fear of punishment or reprisals. […]

    On June 15, the House of Representatives passed the new bonus bill by a vote of 211 to 176. Two days later, some 8,000 veterans massed in front of the Capitol as the Senate prepared to vote, while another 10,000 assembled before the raised Anacostia drawbridge. The police were anticipating trouble because of the large crowds. The Senate debate continued until after dark. […]

    When it appeared that the bonus would not be paid, many of the marchers refused to leave, and President Hoover ordered the Army to evict them. Using tear gas, tanks, and a troop of saber-wielding cavalry commanded by Major George S. Patton, U.S. Army chief of staff General Douglas MacArthur drove the marchers out of Washington and burned their main camp on the Anacostia Flats.”[https://billofrightsinstitute.org/essays/the-bonus-army]

    I mention the massing of the Bonus Army on the Capitol steps in 1932, to note that the dominant narrative around Jan 6 today, often implies that it is an act of violence or of “insurrection” simply to march en masse peacefully to the Capitol.

    But we should be wary of allowing history to be rewritten so as to criminalize peaceful, Constitutionally-protected assembly at “The People’s House.”

    Massing peacefully at the Capitol and other public buildings, is part of our rights and inheritance as citizens, and this use of our First Amendment right to assemble has a long history. Indeed, the public has traditionally had the right peacefully to enter the Capitol — to obtain passes to events, to galley seats, and to witness the proceedings in other ways.

    The Capitol is not a sealed space exclusively for legislators, but it is one that is supposed to welcome the public in an orderly way. [https://history.house.gov/Collection/Search?Term=Search&Classifications=Historical+Artifacts%3A+Passes&CurrentPage=1&SortOrder=Title&ResultType=Grid&PreviousSearch=Search%2CTitle]. We should not be encouraged to forget this.

    The violence of Jan 6 and its subsequent service as a talking point by the Democrats’ leadership, risks its use also to justify the closing off of our public buildings from US citizens altogether.

    This would be convenient for tyrants of any party.

    Leaving aside the release of the additional Jan 6 footage and how it may or may not change our view of US history —- I must say that I am sorry for believing the dominant legacy-media “narrative” pretty completely from the time it was rolled out, without asking questions.

    Those who violently entered the Capitol or who engaged in violence inside of it, must of course be held accountable. (As must violent protesters of every political stripe anywhere.)

    But in addition, anyone in leadership who misrepresented to the public the events of the day so as to distort the complexity of its actual history — must also be held accountable.

    Jan 6 has become, as the DNC intended it to become, after the fact, a “third rail”; a shorthand used to dismiss or criminalize an entire population and political point of view.

    Peaceful Republicans and conservatives as a whole have been demonized by the story told by Democrats in leadership of what happened that day.

    So half of the country has been tarred by association, and is now in many quarters presumed to consist of chaotic berserkers, anti-democratic rabble, and violent upstarts, whose sole goal is the murder of our democracy.

    Republicans, conservatives, I am sorry.

    I also believed wholesale so much else that has since turned out not to be as I was told it was by NPR, MSNBC and The New York Times.

    I believed that stories about Hunter Biden’s laptop were Russian propaganda. Dozens of former intel officials said so. Johns Hopkins University said so. [https://sais.jhu.edu/news-press/hunter-biden-story-russian-disinformation-dozens-former-intel-officials-say].

    “Trump specifically cited a “laptop” that contained emails allegedly belonging to Hunter Biden”, said ‘CNN Fact-Check’, with plenty of double quote marks. [https://www.cnn.com/factsfirst/politics/factcheck_036fb62c-377f-4c68-8fa5-b98418e4bb9c]

    I believed this all — til it was debunked.

    I believed that President Trump’s campaign colluded with Russia — until that assertion was dropped. [https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2019/03/mueller-concludes-investigation/]

    I believed that President Trump was a Russian asset, because the legacy media I read, said so [https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/29/trump-russia-asset-claims-former-kgb-spy-new-book].

    I believed in the entire Steele dossier, until I didn’t, because it all fell apart. [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63305382].

    Was there in fact an “infamous pee tape”? So many other bad things were being said about the man — why not? [https://www.businessinsider.com/christopher-steele-trump-pee-tape-probably-exists-2021-10]

    I believed that Pres Trump instigated the riot at the Capitol — because I did not know that his admonition to his supporters to assemble “peacefully and patriotically” had been deleted from all of the news coverage that I read. [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-11/trump-team-hoping-peacefully-and-patriotically-will-be-shield]

    Because of lies such as these in legacy media — lies which I and millions of others believed — half of our nation’s electorate was smeared and delegitimized, and I myself was misled.

    It damages our nation when legacy media put words in the mouths of Presidents and former Presidents, and call them traitors or criminals without evidence.

    It damages our country when we cannot tell truth from lies. This is exactly what tyrants seek — an electorate that cannot know what is truth and what is falsehood.

    Read it all and weep. One of the few honest Democrats left.

    NJRob (4981fb)

  134. Excess copy pasta. Was supposed to be a smaller exerpt.

    NJRob (4981fb)

  135. Social liberal= social leftist as you well know birdie

    NJRob (4981fb)

  136. Paul, don’t worry about it. Rob’s use of label like ‘leftist’ stopped aligning with common usage a long time ago.

    Time123 (7512e0)

  137. I think Naomi Wolf may have had a point in an alternate universe where the GOP didn’t close ranks and support Trumps lies about election fraud and try to minimize and excuse the hundreds of conservatives that rioted and attacked the US capital. Doing that would have drawn a line between the thousands of Trump supporters that assembled peacefully and the hundreds that participated in a violent attack.

    But they did, strenuously. Even to the point of continuing to support Trump after Trump called for putting aside the constitution. At this point they’re trying to pretend that a conspiracy theory nut who violently broke into the capitol is being treated unfairly because they found some pictures of him not being violent after he broke into the capitol.

    But who are you going to believe about what happened on Jan 6? Naomi and Tucker? Or your lying eyes?

    Link

    You can see Chansley entering right after the doors were broken down at about the 5:20 mark.

    Anyone want to explain how his not being a violent nut a few minutes later means that he didn’t clearly break into the building? I’ll wait.

    Time123 (ae7b06)

  138. Social liberal= social leftist as you well know birdie

    Rob, you stated that Time “admitted” being a leftist. Your words.
    Don’t tell me, “admitted” is another word you don’t understand, like “insurrection” and “war criminal” and “invasion”.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  139. BTW, Ms. Wolf lost me at “While ‘fact-checkers’ state that it is ‘misinformation’ to claim that Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi was in charge of Capitol Police on that day…”, because McConnell was equally in charge, as was the Trump-appointed Capitol Architect.
    Trumpists, including apparently new Trumpists like Wolf, never seem to mention the two others. Or that the Trump-appointed Capitol Architect had equal say with the Sergeants-at-Arms from both houses. But it’s not really about the USCP, it’s about Trumpist blame-shifting and avoiding responsibility.
    Funny thing, the USCP Chief and the Sergeants-at-Arms fell on their swords and resigned right after 1/6, but the Capitol Architect toodled along until Biden sacked him for abusing his office.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  140. 142… you are hilariously squishy! The lengths to which you will go.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  141. “Squishy” how? Wolf complained about misrepresentations, and then she misrepresented.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)


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