Tucker Carlson Uses Words Like “Orderly” And “Meek” To Describe The “Sightseers” At U. S. Capitol on Jan. 6
[guest post by Dana]
As the latest batch of just-released private communications from Tucker Carlson to staffers again confirms that he is a big fat hypocrite, expectations of truthfulness from him should be completely bottomed out by now. With the baked-in hubris and disdainful sniff of a trust-fund baby, he knowingly lit a match and torched any credibility without a backward look. Such was his belief in his reach of influence and control, not just over viewers but also over some members of management and staffers. Such was his selfish compulsion for success and power. And now, thanks to the complicity of one incredibly spineless Speaker of the House, a Herculean effort is being made to
revise… reshape… reimagine… make shit up and push lies about what really happened at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6:
On his Monday and Tuesday night broadcasts, Mr. Carlson aired a compilation of Capitol surveillance footage from Jan. 6 and downplayed the violence that occurred. He presented the footage as evidence that the attack was an “orderly and meek” gathering of sightseers who had good reason to doubt the outcome of the 2020 presidential election.
“The footage does not show an insurrection or a riot in progress,” Carlson told his audience Monday. “Instead it shows police escorting people through the building, including the now-infamous ‘QAnon Shaman.’”
He continued: “More than 44,000 hours of surveillance footage from in and around the Capitol have been withheld from the public, and once you see the video, you’ll understand why. Taken as a whole, the video does not support the claim that Jan. 6 was an insurrection. In fact, it demolishes that claim.”
Video that Carlson didn’t air shows police and rioters engaged in hours of violent combat. Nearly 1,000 people have been charged in connection with the Capitol attack. About 140 officers were assaulted that day, and about 326 people have been charged with assaulting, resisting or impeding officers or employees, including 106 assaults that happened with deadly or dangerous weapons. About 60 people pleaded guilty to assaulting law enforcement. Two pipe bombs were also planted nearby but were not detonated.
Of course, the Republican Party is divided about the claims because it is divided over most things these days:
“Clearly the chief of the Capitol Police, in my view, correctly describes what most of us witnessed firsthand on Jan. 6,” Mr. McConnell said. “It was a mistake, in my view, for Fox News to depict this in a way that’s completely at variance with what our chief law enforcement official here at the Capitol thinks.”
…Senator Mitt Romney of Utah…called Mr. Carlson’s broadcast normalizing the violence of Jan. 6 “dangerous and disgusting.”
“The American people saw what happened on Jan. 6, they’ve seen the people that got injured, they saw the damage to the building,” Mr. Romney told reporters on Tuesday. “You can’t hide the truth by selectively picking a few minutes out of tapes and saying this is what went on. It’s so absurd, it’s nonsense.”
Senator Mike Rounds, Republican of South Dakota, said nothing Mr. Carlson aired changed the fact that the Jan. 6 riot was violent.
“I was here. I saw what happened. I saw the violence,” Mr. Rounds said. “And you know, I thought it was an insurrection at that time. I still think it was an insurrection today.”
But House Republican leaders cheered Mr. Carlson’s work, as many of them accused the House select committee that investigated the Jan. 6 attack, which had recommended criminal referrals for Mr. Trump and his allies and condemned the conduct of Republicans who attempted to help overturn the 2020 election, of mistreating them…
Senator Ted Cruz, Republican of Texas, said Democrats and the media had “tried to use the violent acts of some to tarnish and attack the peaceful speech of many others, and I think it has been dishonest and partisan, and I think the American people deserve to have fuller context.”
“Last night, @TuckerCarlson confirmed what I’ve been saying for well over a year,” Representative Elise Stefanik of New York, the No. 3 Republican, said in a tweet. “Nancy Pelosi’s sham, unconstitutional Jan 6th Committee was nothing more than a political witch-hunt designed to punish the radical Far Left’s political opponents.”
Perhaps a reminder to our elected officials is in order:
One lesson of Jan 6 is this: Trump’s lies, spread on TV & social media, provoked a violent attack on our Capitol. No responsible adult, and especially no American pledged to our Constitution, should deny what happened or repeat the same reckless lies. pic.twitter.com/MReMysC534
— Liz Cheney (@Liz_Cheney) March 7, 2023
Speaker McCarthy stands by his decision to give Tucker Carlson access to the raw security footage…knowing full well what he would do with it. If you recall, the Speaker originally justified his demand that all records and transcripts concerning the events of Jan. 6 be preserved because the American people deserved “transparency” and had a right to know that the allegations made by the Jan. 6 Committee were “supported by the facts.”
Welp here’s looking at you, Kev:
If @HouseGOP wants new Jan 6 hearings, bring it on. Let’s replay every witness & all the evidence from last year. But this time, those members who sought pardons and/or hid from subpoenas should sit on the dais so they can be confronted on live TV with the unassailable evidence.
— Liz Cheney (@Liz_Cheney) March 8, 2023
Hello.Dana (1225fc) — 3/8/2023 @ 4:28 pm
From the depths of the faculty lounge?Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/8/2023 @ 4:54 pm
If Tucker Carlson told me the sky is blue, I would go outside and check.Jim Miller (f29931) — 3/8/2023 @ 5:11 pm
For his next scheduled program, Tucker Carlson will show video of Alex Murdaugh walking his dogs with his wife and son in a meek and orderly way.nk (030758) — 3/8/2023 @ 5:24 pm
Memo to Daughter Darth–
‘The Force is strong with this one.”DCSCA (a1139b) — 3/8/2023 @ 5:41 pm
Of course.Simon Jester (0d54cc) — 3/8/2023 @ 5:42 pm
If Tucko’s January 6th videos are so great, why isn’t Fox News covering the story? You think they would be all over it.
……..Oddly enough, however, the bombshell has been entirely ignored by Fox News.
Since Carlson delivered the supposedly huge news during his Monday night program, not a single Fox News show has covered the revelations. According to a search of transcripts, his name has not been mentioned once on another show since he tossed to Hannity.
This is extraordinary since Fox’s news programs often amplify the network’s opinion programming by covering the commentary of hosts like Carlson as an end-around the opinion-news divide that marks cable news programming these days.
Fellow prime time hosts Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham? They didn’t touch the story. The top-rated cable news morning show Fox & Friends, which caters to a Trump-friendly audience? They entirely ignored it. As of writing, the daytime news programs have also opted not to touch the story, including the opinion-based panel show Outnumbered.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/8/2023 @ 5:43 pm
……… It appears that he can say or do whatever he pleases with impunity. Even if the news division of Fox knows he is wrong on the facts.
Sorry for the lack of blockquotes.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/8/2023 @ 5:44 pm
AllahNick well explains the dissonance involved with shifting the blame for insurrection away from Trump and his people.Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/8/2023 @ 5:50 pm
Gee whiz, fighting back against a malformed, dishonest narrative certainly angers some people. One has to wonder what content in these recordings is so bad that it calls for “all hands on deck, everybody on deck” response from the Uniparty, usual suspects/government publicists in their media, NeverTrumperellas, etc.?
I’d sure like to find out.Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/8/2023 @ 6:05 pm
Jonah also touched on the subject. Maybe another phrase for “safe spaces” is echo chamber.Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/8/2023 @ 6:15 pm
“You’re free to believe what you like,” he’s telling Republicans, knowing they’ll tailor their beliefs to the party’s advantage.
And Tucker Carlson has always been there to affirm their belief.nk (030758) — 3/8/2023 @ 6:38 pm
What was Josh Hawley running away from, has Tucker asked him?nk (030758) — 3/8/2023 @ 6:41 pm
With the baked-in hubris and disdainful sniff of a trust-fund baby
I wonder how the bush, romney and Liz fans will take it, thoughJF (283269) — 3/8/2023 @ 6:48 pm
Meanwhile, over in the Trumpist echo chamberKevin M (1ea396) — 3/8/2023 @ 6:58 pm
I watched the Capitol “demonstration” live and when they breached the police line and then broke into the building you knew that bad sh1t was going down.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/8/2023 @ 7:01 pm
It appears that he can say or do whatever he pleases with impunity. Even if the news division of Fox knows he is wrong on the facts.
I expect he will be fired in the coming week. There’s a reason that he’s out there on the branch all by himself.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/8/2023 @ 7:02 pm
the echo chamber that still doesn’t know what all the Fauci fuss is about is probably the one more hermetically sealedJF (283269) — 3/8/2023 @ 7:07 pm
I’m curious what the lawyers, who hang out here, think of Turley’s take on the Brady question.Pouncer (f80f11) — 3/8/2023 @ 7:19 pm
What I find silly about all of this, is that it is manifestly less important that what Joe Biden has done to the economy. After printing several trillions in play money, the fed is going to shut the economy down until inflation stops, all the while half this money is still out there in state coffers waiting to be spent.
But let’s talk about the 2020 election some more.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/8/2023 @ 7:37 pm
Gee, I wonder why they weren’t knocking down barriers, breaking and crawling through windows, climbing walls, and pushing through doors after they’d already climbed the walls, knocked down the barriers and pushed through the doors/broken and crawled through the windows. Why weren’t they still doing that after they’d done it?Nic (896fdf) — 3/8/2023 @ 11:23 pm
> it is manifestly less important that what Joe Biden has done to the economy.
no, it isn’t. trump and his supporters will do it again, and we have no reason to believe they’ll fail the second time around.aphrael (4c4719) — 3/8/2023 @ 11:46 pm
There is no Brady issue. Short Bus was there. He knew more about it than the prosecution did. The DOJ had no obligation to formulate the Carlson Defense Theory for him, or to compel witnesses and subpoena evidence on his behalf.nk (df21c2) — 3/9/2023 @ 3:29 am
we have no reason to believe they’ll fail the second time around
Based on which Trump successes?Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/9/2023 @ 4:18 am
Thanks for linking to what the far left thinks of Tucker and Republicans. It helps to understand how the far left phrases their propaganda.NJRob (75cac3) — 3/9/2023 @ 4:20 am
Going to be tough to keep pushing the “insurrection” narrative, but former Congressman Lizzie will keep trying.
Tucker got more than 6 times CNN’s ratings and more than CNN, MSDNC, Newsmax and Newsnation combined. Just imagine if the partisans on the Jan 6th committee had done a proper job instead of pushing propaganda on the world. There’d be no interest.
So let’s review. The government lied about Russian collusion. They lied about COVID. They lied about the vaccines. They lied about Jan 6th. They are still lying about the invasion on our border.
And on and on.NJRob (75cac3) — 3/9/2023 @ 4:37 am
“The problem is less the procedural one of giving the defense exculpatory evidence but ignoring the evidence that you yourself have.”Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/9/2023 @ 5:42 am
“Shameful” isn’t a strong enough word.Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/9/2023 @ 5:47 am
The NYT, ABC and NBC are “far left”?Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/9/2023 @ 5:49 am
Jan6 Chairman Bennie Thompson said he doesn’t think any of the Jan. 6 members themselves ever had access to the footage, they let only staff view it.Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/9/2023 @ 5:51 am
“In an Unexpected and Shocking Turn of Events, lefty billionaire Pierre Omidyar-funded and MSNBC contributor Jonah Goldberg has surprisingly come out against release of the videos and attacks republicans.
I. Did. Not. See. That. Coming.”
—- DragoColonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/9/2023 @ 6:02 am
Yes Paul. And anyone who isn’t a leftist knows that.NJRob (75cac3) — 3/9/2023 @ 6:10 am
Jonah also touched on the subject. Maybe another phrase for “safe spaces” is echo chamber.
Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/8/2023 @ 6:15 pm
it should win him a third Pulitzer
but, this is hilarious
to be sheltered from the narrative that Trump lied, lead an insurrection and left our democracy teetering on a precipice you’d have to stay in bed all day every day, never watch teevee, or read a magazine or newspaper and avoid blogs and social media for more than two years
to be sheltered from Tucker and the video evidence, you’d just have to live your normal life
the entire cultural world is literally your safe space, Montagu, and you and Jonah Pulitzer don’t like to see it upsetJF (f5782a) — 3/9/2023 @ 6:11 am
https://twitter.com/Lukewearechange/status/1633516926675689481Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/9/2023 @ 6:14 am
They are as far left as what they call “far right” is right.Kevin M (68cd98) — 3/9/2023 @ 6:16 am
Omidyar funds The Bulwark, not the Dispatch.Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/9/2023 @ 6:19 am
Jonah took a gig at CNN, not MSNBC.
I definitely saw the factual wrongness coming.
Pretty muchKevin M (68cd98) — 3/9/2023 @ 6:19 am
The problem is, of course, that Trump’s lies infected Fox and other right of center media, making the leftist MSM seem almost reasonable.Kevin M (68cd98) — 3/9/2023 @ 6:24 am
If you don’t believe that the next election is a binary choice between Trump and DeSantis, you’re far left.nk (df21c2) — 3/9/2023 @ 6:34 am
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2023/03/09/the-chair-of-the-january-6-select-committee-just-made-a-damning-admission-n2620394Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/9/2023 @ 6:41 am
There are lots of people who support violent riots intended if they’re done by their side and are happy to lie about what happened. In the case of Jan 6 we can count Trump, Tucker, JF, NJRob, Colonial Haiku among them. Trump went so far as to say we should throw out the constitution.
Several life long GOP elected representatives who were there (e.g. Sen Mconnell) have been clear that Tucker is lying. There’s copious evidence that hundreds of trump supporters violently assaulted the police in a riot intended to prevent the lawful certification of the winner of the presidential election. But Tucker doesn’t care because lying is how he pays the bills so he’s taking videos that don’t show the violence and asserting that it’s representative of what happened.
the head of the Capital Police has been clear
The GOP could have moved on from this. Could have rightly voted to impeach Trump. Could have supported an independent commission as was initially proposed. After turning that down could have had a greater role in the congressional committee.
But the base doesn’t want any of that. So that’s not what the GOP is doing.Time123 (d948f2) — 3/9/2023 @ 6:44 am
Breaking news: Gov. Hairgel Newsom (D-Douchebag) has COVID.Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/9/2023 @ 6:44 am
What’s all this than!?!?
Take all the time you require to learn the correct spelling of Liz CHENEY, time123Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/9/2023 @ 6:46 am
someone show Time123 how to sharpen his crayonsJF (f5782a) — 3/9/2023 @ 6:53 am
Speaking of “copious evidence”:
Why would they conceal copious amounts of evidence? Wasn’t all of this a slam dunk for the DOJ?
I know, I know… There is a messenger that needs to be shot instead.BuDuh (eaef9b) — 3/9/2023 @ 7:07 am
JF, it’s just a “narrative” that Trump lied? It’s just a “narrative” that he invited his MAGA followers to show up that day? Or that he stoked up his cult audience with speeches from his warm-up acts* and himself**? It’s just a “narrative” that he tried to bully his VP into violating the 12th Amendment and Electoral Count Act?
* Giuliani: “If we are wrong we will be made fools of, but if we’re right a lot of them will go to jail. So let’s have trial by combat.”
Eastman: “We no longer live in a self-governing republic if we don’t get the answer to this question. Anybody who is not willing to stand up and do it does not deserve to be in the office. It is that simple.”
The bogus question being about Trump’s electoral fraud hoax and Pence’s unwillingness to “stand up”.
Rep. Mo Brooks: “Today is the day American patriots start taking down names and kicking ass.”
** “And we fight. We fight like Hell and if you don’t fight like Hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/9/2023 @ 7:17 am
Breaking News! Our old friend Shipwreckedcrew is currently advising Buffaloheadress man and he says he’ll be on w/Tucker Carlson tonight.Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/9/2023 @ 7:17 am
“The Chansley videos Tucker has emphasized don’t change the videos of violence outside the Capitol or in the tunnel.
What they do is pull back a couple layers of the onion built by the Anti-Trump forces in Govt and the press to show not everything they’ve represented is accurate.”
—- ShipwreckedcrewColonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/9/2023 @ 7:20 am
“The line drawn by politicians over Tucker Carlson’s playing of previously undisclosed video is very easy to discern.
GOP politicians who do not want Trump 2024 to gain traction are criticizing Carlson because Jan 6 is the “Silver Bullet” keeping Trump from being a candidate.”
“That’s what the narrative has always been about with the Dems in Congress and the Biden Admin., with the press dutifully doing their bidding.
Any information that undercuts the narrative, or just makes it less impactful, makes the weight of J6 around Trump’s neck lighter.”
—- ShipwreckedcrewColonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/9/2023 @ 7:25 am
And reading Ship’s substack, he is finding much fault with previous attorney Watkins’ lawyering.Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/9/2023 @ 7:33 am
Several life long GOP elected representatives who were there (e.g. Sen Mconnell) have been clear that Tucker is lying.
Take one question of fact. Was Brian Sicknick killed in the insurrection, as the committee claims? Or was he shown on video walking around, apparently uninjured, as Carlson broadcast? Is the video fake — CGI? Edited to show early events spliced into a later sequence? If Carlson “lied” he also faked up supporting evidence — can we examine that claim in detail?Pouncer (f80f11) — 3/9/2023 @ 7:36 am
You are asking way too much from this group.BuDuh (eaef9b) — 3/9/2023 @ 7:43 am
I think there was criminal conduct (trespassing, at the least) by many protesters. But I think there is a due process issue for any defendant that was convicted or pled guilty based in whole or part on video surveillance — provided they requested the video during discovery and were not shown/told about all tapes.DRJ (b39202) — 3/9/2023 @ 7:47 am
I am not a criminal law attorney, but it may be an ineffective assistance of counsel claim would be based on any defense counsel who did not request discovery of surveillance tapes. Normally, though, that would have been a standard defense request. That would shift the inquiry to the prosecution response.
There might be a waiver by the defense unless the defendant requested all video surveillance and the prosecution said they gave them everything, when they didn’t. But it is also possible the police, DOJ, or Congressional leaders withheld tapes from the prosecutors. If so, my guess is they would not be at fault and the appeal/new trial issue would be whether the new surveillance would make a material difference in the putcome.DRJ (b39202) — 3/9/2023 @ 7:54 am
“…Jan 6 is the “Silver Bullet” keeping Trump from being a candidate.”
Him being a congenital liar and criminal has utterly nothing to do with it. Personally, I think his residence in a federal penitentiary will be the “silver bullet.” Assuming it isn’t an actual silver bullet.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/9/2023 @ 8:10 am
Chansley is due to be released on July 9, 2023 which would make a Section 2255 habeas court petition moot.
And what makes it even worse, he volunteered and was prepared to testify against Trump in the second impeachment trial, so there goes any chance of a pardon from should (GAAH!!!) Trump be elected President again.nk (df21c2) — 3/9/2023 @ 8:13 am
I think that — for people not convicted of violent acts — the video issues will be used to justify pardons. I again repeat that Biden would be well served by pardoning most of those charged. It would cost him nothing and make him look magnanimous.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/9/2023 @ 8:15 am
habeas *corpus*nk (df21c2) — 3/9/2023 @ 8:17 am
Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed here are those of the commenters and are not necessarily meant to trigger any threats on the life of any persons by those unhinged by the events of Jan6.Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/9/2023 @ 8:17 am
he volunteered and was prepared to testify against Trump
Trump’s failure to pardon when he had the chance (a self-serving failure btw) has made it so that quite a few of his victimized followers would be happy to testify against him.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/9/2023 @ 8:17 am
I felt some sense of assurance when I read here that the government was required to give defendants access to all video evidence used against them.
I should’ve known better…Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/9/2023 @ 8:21 am
I remember when conservatives chided CNN for portraying the Kenosha riots as “fiery but mostly peaceful”.Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/9/2023 @ 8:27 am
Today, so-called conservatives are falling in line Carlson, agreeing with his depiction of the violent but mostly peaceful protests on J6. What could be dishonest or dissembling about that?
If there isn’t a double standard going on, then it’s no standard at all.
This is worth chasing down.
I’m not sure if there’s anything that could be done, because I think once you accept any plea deal, it’s a really tall order to take another bite of that apple, outside clear-cut malfeasance by the prosecution.whembly (d116f3) — 3/9/2023 @ 8:39 am
You want my honest opinion on this?
REAP WHAT YOU SOW. (not you specifically Paul).
The Democrats and J6 committee had every opportunity to release all the videos. Had they done that, Tucker wouldn’t be doing this now.whembly (d116f3) — 3/9/2023 @ 8:42 am
They undoubtedly were given access yo all video “used against them.” The question is whether they requested all video (or all video they appeared in) and were given it.
For all we know, the shaman got the video showing him escorted/followed in.DRJ (b39202) — 3/9/2023 @ 9:06 am
According to his attorney at the time, they didn’t see it.whembly (d116f3) — 3/9/2023 @ 9:08 am
There may have been Court rulings restricting access to the tapes for security reasons, or allowing defense counsel to see tapes with their client(s) in a restricted setting. There may be nothing to this from a legal standpoint.DRJ (b39202) — 3/9/2023 @ 9:10 am
I thought it was Shipley saying they didn’t see it, not the prior attorney.DRJ (b39202) — 3/9/2023 @ 9:10 am
“Tucker wanted Watkins on first because Watkins said he never saw the videos. That’s an important aspect of Tucker’s reporting on the videos, and it is particularly impactful in Chansley case because of his sentence and what the videos show.”
—- ShipwreckedcrewColonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/9/2023 @ 9:22 am
Since the security tapes were under the jurisdiction of the Capitol Police (Congress) and the House Administration Committee, defense attorneys would have had to subpoena them to access the tapes.
More:Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/9/2023 @ 9:31 am
https://twitter.com/shipwreckedcrew?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5EauthorColonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/9/2023 @ 9:39 am
Now looks like he won’t be on, to be rescheduled.Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/9/2023 @ 9:41 am
Yawn..BuDuh (eaef9b) — 3/9/2023 @ 9:41 am
They should’ve burned those tapes, Rip. Look at what they’re having to resort to.Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/9/2023 @ 9:42 am
When Mr. Chansley was being “escorted” while inside the Capitol Building, he was already a criminal for trespassing. There isn’t any video that can magically erase or exculpate that crime.
He does get credit for not committing violence against persons and property (and I’ve seen no visual evidence otherwise), but the QAnon Shaman was among the first rioters to force their way into the building through a door broken by other rioters, and officers repeatedly asked Chansley to leave the building. This was corroborated in the plea deal that he signed (and the Statement of Offense was attached to the plea agreement) along with an officer’s account of the events.
If Carlson’s video snippet has any value, it might’ve been for his sentencing, not his guilt.
Here’s more from the Statement of Offense, which Mr. Chansley accepted as true and accurate.
FTR, my longstanding position is that any protester who choses to become a rioter should be prosecuted and sentenced to the full extent of the law. Why? Because it’s offending that anyone would abuse their First Amendment rights like that.Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/9/2023 @ 9:50 am
Ryan Nichols is charged with:
Shane Jenkins is charged with:Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/9/2023 @ 10:12 am
In addition, he may have been under arrest while being escorted out.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/9/2023 @ 10:14 am
If the footage has been available all this time, why is there such panic… why the calls for censorship?… why the pushback?Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/9/2023 @ 10:31 am
If any of you still read the Rip News Service, one must not forget:
* this is DCColonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/9/2023 @ 10:43 am
* juries will be filled with partisan Democrats
* many of those charged have trouble finding lawyers to represent them, as the Dem machine tries to destroy any lawyers who do take on any rightwing clients.
I’m confused. Just the other day the DoJ was saying they didn’t have all the video, now they say they’ve had it all for 2 years? IF the defendants had access to it all, why does it come as such a surprise.
Did they have to ask for video from camera 127, between time X and time Y in order to get that one (not having seen it yet) or would a blanket subpoena work.
And even if they had immediate and online access to every frame, not one of the defendants could afford the cost of reviewing all that video (the DoJ, otoh, had no problem).
It’s clear that the DoJ did not provide all the video covering each defendant. I would guess they only gave those portions the prosecution intended to show.
It all adds up to stupid lawyer games, with the cause of actual justice lost in the mix. Of course, maybe the defendants aren’t looking for “actual justice”….Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/9/2023 @ 11:01 am
juries will be filled with partisan Democrats
Only a fool would request a jury trial. They’d have better luck with a bench trial.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/9/2023 @ 11:02 am
Assaulting, Resisting, or Impeding Certain Officers Using a Dangerous Weapon
This is really all they have to prove — it’s enough to put them away for years. Some videos of them NOT attacking officers doesn’t fix video showing them doing it.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/9/2023 @ 11:05 am
he was already a criminal for trespassing
This is how words lose meaning. Am I a “criminal” for exceeding the posted speed limit? Were blacks who sat at the Woolworth lunch counter in 1957 “criminals”? Is it different from “felon” and if so, how?Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/9/2023 @ 11:13 am
Never seeing the tapes doesn’t mean they asled for them and/or were not informed of their existence.DRJ (2046b4) — 3/9/2023 @ 11:14 am
A criminal is someone who has committed a crime. Trespassing at a federal facility is a crime. It may not be a dangerous crime, or it might be, but it is still a crime.DRJ (2046b4) — 3/9/2023 @ 11:19 am
No, violating the speed limit is an infraction, not crime, unless you cause an accident resulting in injury or death.
Apparently the Greensboro sit-ins resulted only in the arrest of three white counter-protestors.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/9/2023 @ 11:24 am
Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call
Don’t stand in the doorway
Don’t hide in teh stallColonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/9/2023 @ 11:40 am
Shaman may have a timing problem for his appeal.DRJ (2046b4) — 3/9/2023 @ 11:49 am
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/09/nyregion/brooklyn-exoneration-sheldon-thomas.htmlDavethulhu (607d18) — 3/9/2023 @ 12:15 pm
That’s a silly bit of sophistry, Kevin. The charging documents for rioters are literally titled “Criminal Complaint”.Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/9/2023 @ 12:34 pm
While officer Sicknick’s family and fellow officers claim the injuries he sustained from the rioting Trump supports contributed to the stroke that killed him the next day I don’t think the Jan 6 committee has claimed that that in their report.
Maybe I missed it, can you show me where the committee made that claim?Time123 (d948f2) — 3/9/2023 @ 1:03 pm
1. Depends on how fast you’re driving. Enough over the posted limit is a criminal offense in some places.Time123 (d948f2) — 3/9/2023 @ 1:08 pm
2. Yes, they were criminals who violated an unjust and racist law.
Time, do you know who Mrs Luria is? Did Brian Sicknick succumb to injuries?BuDuh (eaef9b) — 3/9/2023 @ 1:25 pm
BuDuh, Read the full comment. She’s describing the content of texts between 2 of Trump’s to campaign officials. Even if she weren’t, there’s a difference, an important one, between a statement made by a single member of a committee in a hearing and official finding of the committee.
What did the committee report say about Officer Sicknick that you object to?Time123 (d948f2) — 3/9/2023 @ 1:38 pm
BuDuh (eaef9b) — 3/9/2023 @ 1:25 pm
The DC medical examiner went along with that.
The District of Columbia chief medical examiner found that Sicknick had died from stroke, classifying his death as natural[a] and additionally commented that “all that transpired played a role in his condition.”Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 3/9/2023 @ 1:44 pm
No she isn’t, Time. She is adding the succumbed to injury part.
By focusing on the “report” you ignore what the show trial spread to the masses.
Did the committee have an obligation to present to the public an accurate representation of Sicknick’s death?BuDuh (eaef9b) — 3/9/2023 @ 1:44 pm
Tucker Carlson’s biggest lie is that anything truthful he says about Sicknick is a new revelation.Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 3/9/2023 @ 1:48 pm
I actually didn’t watch much of the hearings. I prefer to read the reports. But They should provide accuracy. If they overstated the extent to which the beating officer sicknick took at the hands of conservative republicans contributed to his death they made a mistake. If nothing else it allows GOPers who want to excuse political violence a chance to change the subject.Time123 (d948f2) — 3/9/2023 @ 1:50 pm
No. That’s just people who have decided they hate Trump so much that they moved left as a result. The Times has gotten further left over the past decade.NJRob (1005fb) — 3/9/2023 @ 1:51 pm
Is the footage of Sicknick walking around a new revelation, Sammy? Where did you view it prior to Tucker’s broadcast?BuDuh (eaef9b) — 3/9/2023 @ 1:52 pm
I wish FWO was still around. You’re a disgusting troll.NJRob (1005fb) — 3/9/2023 @ 1:52 pm
I appreciate the small agreement in the middle of your 1:50, Time.BuDuh (eaef9b) — 3/9/2023 @ 1:54 pm
Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/9/2023 @ 7:17 am
This is a statement ripped out of context: (Giuliani was saying let’s collect evidence and have a few people argue. That was the “combat”)
Note. Trump actually did slightly better than in 2016 in the overwhelmingly Democratic cities; he didworse in Republican suburbs.Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 3/9/2023 @ 2:02 pm
Also to change the votes, you’d have to change them in the individual precincts -and in most places there were paper ballot backups and other auditing tools.Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 3/9/2023 @ 2:04 pm
A statement of opinion. Maybe opinion John Eastman did not believe
None of this refers to physical violence.Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 3/9/2023 @ 2:06 pm
BuDun I meant it.
What happened on Jan 6 was horrible. Supporters of a sitting president literally stormed the capital in an attempt to prevent the certification of his opponent. I think all the noise that distracts from this is bad. If the MAGA rioters didn’t beat Sicknick to death focusing on how much, if any, their assault on the officer had to do with this death is a distraction. One that people who feel some kinship with the rioters will use.
I’m a small government fiscal conservative/ social liberal. Neither party wants much to do with me, or my policy preferences right now.
I view what MAGA tried to do in 2020 with horror in large part because i can easily see how a less incompetent group of leaders could have made it work.
Trump tried to use lies of election fraud which, is a falsifiable claim that could be tried in court. (It was and failed over and over again for lack of evidence) But It doesn’t take a lot of imagination to visualize a Dem using claims about voter suppression to run a similar play. And someone less incompetent might have more success.
I’m deeply frustrated that so many in the GOP seem eager to excuse this if it prevents a loss at the polls. How a GOP candidate addresses the lies about fraud and Jan 6 is probably the biggest factor in if I will vote for or support them. I’m an easy get for a GOP candidate. I understand that some ambiguity is the minimum required to get past a primary, but that’s about as far as I can go on it.Time123 (d948f2) — 3/9/2023 @ 2:15 pm
BuDuh (eaef9b) — 3/9/2023 @ 1:52 pm
The footage is new, but nobody after a day or so (even those who claimed he was struck by a fire extinguisher) ever said anything else other than he was walking around.
by J. DAVID MCSWANE, PROPUBLICA | PUBLISHED JAN 9, 2021 12:44 PM EST
….While some news reports had said an unnamed officer was in critical condition after being bludgeoned with a fire extinguisher, family members did not have details of his injuries. They say Sicknick had texted them Wednesday night to say that while he had been pepper-sprayed, he was in good spirits. The text arrived hours after a mob’s assault on the Capitol had left more than 50 officers injured and five people dead.
“He texted me last night and said, ‘I got pepper-sprayed twice,’ and he was in good shape,” said Ken Sicknick, his brother, as the family drove toward Washington. “Apparently he collapsed in the Capitol and they resuscitated him using CPR.”
But the day after that text exchange, the family got word that Brian Sicknick had a blood clot and had had a stroke; a ventilator was keeping him alive. Tucker knew what he would find before he looked.
Some people lied at the beginning: (And/or confused him with another police officer or twwo hit by fire extinguishers)
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/brian-sicknick-fire-extinguisherSammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 3/9/2023 @ 2:23 pm
I did not properly separate the quote from what I said:
Tucker knew what he would find before he looked.
That’s my point.Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 3/9/2023 @ 2:25 pm
Someone with more allies holding public office.Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 3/9/2023 @ 2:27 pm
I enjoyed talking with him.Time123 (d948f2) — 3/9/2023 @ 2:38 pm
Which part of what I said was factually inaccurate?
Because I don’t think I’ve said anything about Jan 6 that isn’t accurate.
So what Carlson has attempted to demonstrate is that a person of bad faith can (1) Create a “narrative” (2) pay a team of dozens to review thousands of hours of video (3) selectively edit together a minute or so of clips from those hours that (4) appears to “prove” the chosen narrative and (5) roll out that “proof” to millions of already biased voters in prime time TV.
Seems to me that Carlson has made an interesting point, even if not the one now discussed. Aren’t steps 1-5 very similar to the progress of the House Committee’s “investigation”?
If a completely new agent came up with a novel narrative, reviewed the video with a well-trained staff, cherry-picked the evidence, and put short visuals out on prime time … would that now aid, or hinder, the public in determining the truth underlying events?Pouncer (f80f11) — 3/9/2023 @ 3:06 pm
You continue to troll. You libeled several of us. You are a leftist, first, last and only. I expect no less.NJRob (1005fb) — 3/9/2023 @ 3:26 pm
You obviously have no idea what libel is.
Nor what a leftist is.lurker (cd7cd4) — 3/9/2023 @ 3:33 pm
you don’t. A social leftist is a leftist. Because their decisions will ultimately support those beliefs. That’s what defines them. Period.
Thanks for playing.
Your lack of literacy is telling.NJRob (eb56c3) — 3/9/2023 @ 4:08 pm
Lol. Believe what you want.lurker (cd7cd4) — 3/9/2023 @ 4:48 pm
@112 Truth is a defense in libel. I eagerly await your answer to my question about which of my statements was inaccurate.Time123 (40be1e) — 3/9/2023 @ 5:00 pm
@113, Rob’s a bit bent by partisanship and tends to use words in novel ways.Time123 (40be1e) — 3/9/2023 @ 5:02 pm
Among people that took a plea deal, by far the most common charge was: “Parading, demonstrating, or picketing in a Capitol building”.
A brief review of that site shows that “Parading, demonstrating, or picketing in a Capitol building” was going to be well over 1/2 of the people. Then there were quite a few “Entering and remaining in a restricted building or grounds” so about 2/3 or more of the pleas were for people making a nuisance of themselves.
I’m guessing “parading” is a legal term that means walking to normal people? “Parade means any march or procession consisting of people, animals, bicycles, vehicles, or combination thereof, except wedding processions and funeral processions, upon any public street or sidewalk which does not comply with adopted traffic regulations or controls.”
Yeah but what about the people who attacked police, defaced property etc? From the coverage I did watch, I thought that was the vast majority of the 1003 people collected so far. I’m actually feeling a bit better that the number of asses was fewer then I’d been led to believe by the news anchors at NBC ABC CBS and CNN, the newspapers. There might be more amongst the next 1000, but if all they are going to do is charge 400 of them with parading? I’d say don’t bother. Offer to let them sign and swear they will never set foot on Capitol grounds again like as if they just stole a Rice Cooker from CVS and got permanently banned from the premisessteveg (b792af) — 3/9/2023 @ 5:15 pm
SteveG, I think it’s clear that the DOJ is charging conservatively. Unless they have strong proof of violence they’re bringing lesser charges. Whether this is out of mercy, a desire not to lose any cases, lack of specific evidence as to who committed specific acts of violence, or a desire to bring down the temperature is up to debate.
I don’t think it’s evidence that hundreds of ppl didn’t assault the police and seize the capital because there is ample visual record that exactly that happened.
But criminal convictions have a high standard of proof and specificity.Time123 (40be1e) — 3/9/2023 @ 5:22 pm
Exclusive — Watch: Speaker McCarthy Vows Full Public Release of Capitol’s January 6 Surveillance Tapes
House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) told Breitbart News on Wednesday that he intends to fully release to the public the tens of thousands of hours of U.S. Capitol surveillance footage from January 6, 2021.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/03/09/exclusive-watch-speaker-mccarthy-vows-full-public-release-of-capitols-january-6-surveillance-tapes/DCSCA (5d6e8d) — 3/9/2023 @ 5:29 pm
Shipwreckedcrew did a good job of explaining the situation with Jacob Chansley on Tucker. Just wrapped up.Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/9/2023 @ 5:30 pm
117… “Rob’s a bit bent by partisanship and tends to use words in novel ways.”
Heh! That’s pretty rich coming from a guy who all these months later can’t correctly spell the former Rep from Wyoming’s last name and never learned the correct usage of “then” and “than”.Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/9/2023 @ 5:36 pm
“I think it’s clear that the DOJ is charging conservatively.”
Indeed… it’s what they are known for, lol.Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/9/2023 @ 5:41 pm
When I comment on my my phone the spelling and grammar tend to be atrocious. Hope it doesn’t cause you too much confusion as to my meaning.Time123 (7512e0) — 3/9/2023 @ 6:00 pm
As opposed to when I used a keyboard and my spelling and grammar are just very bad.Time123 (7512e0) — 3/9/2023 @ 6:06 pm
Sammy, you’re parsing this terribly. The context is that all those speakers stood in front of a crowd directly invited by Trump, and they lied and used inflammatory rhetorical to an already amped up crowd on a day of transition when our democracy was at its most vulnerable.Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/9/2023 @ 7:35 pm
Here’s a big lie that would’ve gotten someone banned in previous times. But we know NeverTrump social leftists get to insult conservatives however they want.NJRob (eb56c3) — 3/9/2023 @ 7:58 pm
Classic Rob in a nutshell, whining about getting smeared and then smearing the other guy in the very next sentence.Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/9/2023 @ 8:11 pm
Calling someone what they admit to being in a post above is a smear?
Guess that’s why they try to ban libsofticktokNJRob (eb56c3) — 3/10/2023 @ 4:17 am
Rob, your every comment on this topic is to excuse, change the subject and minimize. I maintain that my characterization of your position is accurate.
While you’ve recently started acknowledging that some violence did occur it’s clear that you have no real objection to the riot overall.
Feel free to email a mod and ask them to address if my comment violates the rules of the site.Time123 (7512e0) — 3/10/2023 @ 4:55 am
Full of crap as usual. I’ve said in the past that those who committed violence should be prosecuted. But you are a liar so you ignore that and just double down. Typical.NJRob (eb56c3) — 3/10/2023 @ 5:42 am
I acknowledged that, Readers are free to make their own decisions on if my characterization of your position is accurate or not.Time123 (7512e0) — 3/10/2023 @ 6:20 am
Time123 knows his legions of unsubstantiated smears will never get moderated
he’s also suffering from frosty/FWO withdrawal, so go easy on him RobJF (33c07e) — 3/10/2023 @ 6:25 am
When did Time ever admit to being a leftist?Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/10/2023 @ 6:27 am
“If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, than/then it’s probably a duck.”Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/10/2023 @ 6:32 am
Read it all and weep. One of the few honest Democrats left.NJRob (4981fb) — 3/10/2023 @ 7:25 am
Excess copy pasta. Was supposed to be a smaller exerpt.NJRob (4981fb) — 3/10/2023 @ 7:27 am
Social liberal= social leftist as you well know birdieNJRob (4981fb) — 3/10/2023 @ 7:31 am
Paul, don’t worry about it. Rob’s use of label like ‘leftist’ stopped aligning with common usage a long time ago.Time123 (7512e0) — 3/10/2023 @ 7:49 am
I think Naomi Wolf may have had a point in an alternate universe where the GOP didn’t close ranks and support Trumps lies about election fraud and try to minimize and excuse the hundreds of conservatives that rioted and attacked the US capital. Doing that would have drawn a line between the thousands of Trump supporters that assembled peacefully and the hundreds that participated in a violent attack.
But they did, strenuously. Even to the point of continuing to support Trump after Trump called for putting aside the constitution. At this point they’re trying to pretend that a conspiracy theory nut who violently broke into the capitol is being treated unfairly because they found some pictures of him not being violent after he broke into the capitol.
But who are you going to believe about what happened on Jan 6? Naomi and Tucker? Or your lying eyes?
You can see Chansley entering right after the doors were broken down at about the 5:20 mark.
Anyone want to explain how his not being a violent nut a few minutes later means that he didn’t clearly break into the building? I’ll wait.Time123 (ae7b06) — 3/10/2023 @ 8:27 am
Rob, you stated that Time “admitted” being a leftist. Your words.Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/10/2023 @ 8:51 am
Don’t tell me, “admitted” is another word you don’t understand, like “insurrection” and “war criminal” and “invasion”.
BTW, Ms. Wolf lost me at “While ‘fact-checkers’ state that it is ‘misinformation’ to claim that Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi was in charge of Capitol Police on that day…”, because McConnell was equally in charge, as was the Trump-appointed Capitol Architect.Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/10/2023 @ 9:04 am
Trumpists, including apparently new Trumpists like Wolf, never seem to mention the two others. Or that the Trump-appointed Capitol Architect had equal say with the Sergeants-at-Arms from both houses. But it’s not really about the USCP, it’s about Trumpist blame-shifting and avoiding responsibility.
Funny thing, the USCP Chief and the Sergeants-at-Arms fell on their swords and resigned right after 1/6, but the Capitol Architect toodled along until Biden sacked him for abusing his office.
142… you are hilariously squishy! The lengths to which you will go.Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/10/2023 @ 9:09 am
“Squishy” how? Wolf complained about misrepresentations, and then she misrepresented.Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/10/2023 @ 9:52 am