Weekend Open Thread
[guest post by Dana]
First news item
Look who made it very clear that he never wanted changes made to his work:
[A] conversation [Roald Dahl] had 40 years ago has come to light, revealing that he was so appalled by the idea that publishers might one day censor his work that he threatened to send the crocodile “to gobble them up”.
The conversation took place in 1982 at Dahl’s home in Great Missenden, Buckinghamshire, where he was talking to the artist Francis Bacon.
“I’ve warned my publishers that if they later on so much as change a single comma in one of my books, they will never see another word from me. Never! Ever!” he said.
Readers with Dahl’s works loaded on their Kindles are now saying that their libraries have been automatically updated with the bowdlerized versions, without their knowledge or consent:
Owners of Roald Dahl ebooks are having their libraries automatically updated with the new censored versions containing hundreds of changes to language related to weight, mental health, violence, gender and race.
Readers who bought electronic versions of the writer’s books, such as Matilda and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, before the controversial updates have discovered their copies have now been changed.
Puffin Books, the company which publishes Dahl novels, updated the electronic novels, in which Augustus Gloop is no longer described as fat or Mrs Twit as fearfully ugly, on devices such as the Amazon Kindle.
Dahl’s biographer Matthew Dennison last night accused the publisher of “strong-arming readers into accepting a new orthodoxy in which Dahl himself has played no part.”
I downloaded my ebook of Matilda, which I bought a few years ago, to see if Joseph Conrad was still there. He was. I closed it, deleted it & downloaded/opened it again (mistake). Joseph Conrad was gone. I was not given a choice as to whether I wanted the updated version. https://t.co/vRugLTcb5n
— Clarissa Aykroyd (@stoneandthestar) February 23, 2023
The consumers no longer own what they paid for.
Second news item
Trump’s five-point attack on DeSantis:
DeSantis’ past support for changes to Social Security and Medicare, including votes as a U.S. congressman to raise the eligibility age for Medicare.
Disloyalty to Trump after he helped DeSantis get elected governor in 2018. Trump also plans to pound DeSantis on likability.
Trump wants to cast DeSantis as a lackey of former House Speaker Paul Ryan. On Trump’s social-media site, Truth Social, he attacked Ryan this week as a loser who “couldn’t get elected dogcatcher,” and said he should resign or be fired as a Fox Corp. board member.
DeSantis’ response to COVID is a top Trump target, even though the governor is known for resisting mask mandates. Trump plans to attack DeSantis’ caution in the earliest days of the pandemic — and try to fight the issue to a draw. A March 2020 headline in the Tampa Bay Times said: “DeSantis orders major shutdown of beaches, businesses in Broward, Palm Beach.” (DeSantis pushes back on this.)
DeSantis took heat for muddled comments, in a Fox News interview last week, about whether to maintain financial and military support for Ukraine. Trump plans to portray DeSantis as wishy-washy on the war, while he toes the MAGA line of cutting aid.
Related: Desantis sees Trump’s attacks as “background noise”.
Third news item
House Democrats were infuriated and taken aback by President Biden’s announcement on Thursday that he will sign a resolution to nix the District of Columbia’s crime bill.
The crime bill has come under heavy criticism from Republicans and centrist Democrats. But last month, 173 House Democrats voted along with what they thought was the White House’s stance that Biden would veto the resolution in an attempt to stand up for the District’s “home rule.”
Instead, Biden made the revelation to Senate Democrats during lunch on Thursday and, in the process, angered their colleagues across the Capitol complex.
The crime bill passed the D.C. City Council unanimously in January. After Washington D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser (D) vetoed it, the city council overrode it 12-1. Among other things, the bill would eliminate most mandatory sentences and lower penalties for a number of violent offenses, including carjackings and robberies. It would also expand the requirement for jury trials in most misdemeanor cases.
Fourth news item
LAPD may not send armed response certain calls:
The Los Angeles Police Protective League released a list of 28 potential calls that could warrant an alternate response from unarmed officers or service providers, rather than the typical armed police response.
A sample of the types of calls included on the list: Under the influence calls (alcohol and/or drugs) where there is no other crime in progress; Non-Fatal Vehicle Accidents – 1181/1182/1183/1179;
• Non-DUI/Non-Criminal; Property damage only (including City property), Verbal disputes involving non-injury traffic collisions, refusing to share ID at traffic collisions; Landlord/Tenant Disputes; Loitering/Trespassing With No Indication Of Danger; Panhandling; Suspicious circs-possible dead body, where no indication of foul play…
Fifth news item
Time is of the essence, especially for Ukraine:
A crucial question in any war is ‘Whose side is time on?’ By 1942, for example, time was clearly on the side of the anti–Hitler allies. But in this war, time may be on the side of Vladimir Putin. There’s a strong suspicion that Putin thinks so too. If China were to send weapons, that would further strengthen his hand.
Hence the constant Ukrainian emphasis on speed and urgency. At the Munich Security Conference, the German Chancellor Olaf Scholz praised his own caution, saying ‘Sorgfalt vor Schnellschuss’ (roughly, care rather than overhasty action). A fine motto for peacetime, but in war, the slowness works for Putin. So we in the West must start matching Ukrainian speed. We need to get more ammunition and weapons faster to the places General Zaluzhny needs them, and increase financial support to sustain the faltering Ukrainian healthcare system, schools, housing and overall budget. The existing weapon and ammunition stocks of western armies are significantly depleted, so much did we lower our guard during what I call the post-Wall period (i.e. after the fall of the Berlin Wall on 9 November 1989), which ended on 24 February 2022. But in Munich, I heard representatives of the European defence industry say they could quickly ramp up production if political leaders would cut the red tape and national protectionism that still besets this sector.
Time is indeed of the essence, but Ukraine may be running out of it in Bakhmut:
Russian troops and mercenaries rained artillery on the last access routes to the besieged Ukrainian city of Bakhmut on Friday, bringing Moscow closer to its first major victory in half a year after the bloodiest fighting of the war.
The head of Russia’s Wagner private army, speaking in a video recorded some 7 km (4 miles) north of Bakhmut, said the city, which has been blasted to ruins, was now almost completely surrounded with only one road still open for Ukraine’s troops.
The commander of Ukraine’s ground forces, Oleksandr Syrskyi, visited Bakhmut on Friday for briefings with local commanders on how to boost the defence capacity of frontline forces.
“The enemy is not giving up its hope of capturing Bakhmut and continues to build up forces to occupy the city,” the press service said.
President Zelensky on Bahkmut:
Ukraine’s defence of Bakhmut is becoming “more and more difficult”, President Volodymyr Zelensky says. He warned Moscow generals were adopting a strategy of “exhaustion and total destruction” as they throw even more soldiers to their deaths.
“The enemy is constantly destroying everything that can be used to protect our positions”, he said.
President Zelensky also reiterated his plea for the West to send modern warplanes.
Sixth news item
The nation’s second-largest pharmacy chain confirmed Thursday that it will not dispense abortion pills in several states where they remain legal — acting out of an abundance of caution amid a shifting policy landscape, threats from state officials and pressure from anti-abortion activists.
Nearly two dozen Republican state attorneys general wrote to Walgreens in February, threatening legal action if the company began distributing the drugs, which have become the nation’s most popular method for ending a pregnancy.
The group of Republican attorneys general, who argue that the Biden administration is misinterpreting the laws around mailing and dispensing abortion pills, also wrote to CVS, Albertsons, Rite Aid, Costco, Walmart and Kroger demanding they, too, refuse to dispense the medication.
The report notes that the six companies have not responded to inquiries about their plans.
Seventh news item
Unconstiutional and un-American indeed:
Senate Bill 1316 is the latest entrant in Florida lawmakers’ ongoing fight with the First Amendment. If enacted, the legislation would require anyone other than a newspaper journalist who writes online about Florida’s government leaders — its governor, lieutenant governor, cabinet officer, or any member of the state legislature — to register with the state if they receive any “compensation” for the post. And they must do so within five days — and then file a monthly report with state regulators if they write about Florida officials that month. Those who violate the law risk up to $2,500 in fines per report.
This bill is an affront to the First Amendment and our national commitment to freedom of the press.
It sure sounds like Floridian legislators want people to have to *pay* to say negative things about them.
Eighth news item
More than half the world’s population will be classed as obese or overweight by 2035 if action is not taken, the World Obesity Federation warns.
More than four billion people will be affected, with rates rising fastest among children, its report says.
Low or middle-income countries in Africa and Asia are expected to see the greatest rises.
The report in particular highlights the rising rates of obesity among children and teenagers, with rates expected to double from 2020 levels among both boys and girls.
Ninth news item
In an effort to keep girls out of school they commit vile acts against them:
Concern is growing in Iran after reports emerged that hundreds of schoolgirls had been poisoned across the country in recent months.
On Wednesday, Iran’s semi-official Mehr News reported that Shahriar Heydari, a member of Parliament, cited an unnamed “reliable source” in saying that “nearly 900 students” from across the country had been poisoned so far.
The first reported poisonings happened in the city of Qom on November 30, when 18 schoolgirls from one high school were hospitalized, according to Iranian state media. In another incident in Qom on February 14, more than 100 students from 13 schools were taken to hospitals after what the state-affiliated Tasnim news agency described as “serial poisonings.”
There have also been reports of schoolgirls being poisoned in the capital Tehran – where 35 were hospitalized on Tuesday, according to Fars News. They were in “good” condition, and many of them were later released, Fars reported. State media have also reported student poisonings in recent months in the city of Borujerd and in Chaharmahal and Bakhtiari Province.
Tenth news item
Says the man who
wants to just might become the next President of the United States:
Rupert Murdoch should apologize to his viewers and readers for his ridiculous defense of the 2020 Presidential Election. How many forms of cheating and rigging does he have to see? He should also apologize to those anchors who got it right, and fire the ones who got it wrong, or were afraid to speak up (of which there were many!). It’s time to get rid of Fake News, and call it like it is!
A painting by Wassily Kandinsky that spent decades in a Dutch museum after its Jewish owner was murdered in the Holocaust has sold at auction for £37.2 million ($44.9 million)…set[ting] a record price for the Russian artist in a sale at Sotheby’s in London…The Van Abbemuseum in Eindhoven returned the painting last year to the descendants of German Jewish art collectors Johanna Margarethe Stern and Siegbert Samuel Stern. Siegbert died in 1935 and Johanna fled Nazi Germany for Amsterdam, where she was forced to sell much of her collection. She was arrested after the Nazis occupied the Netherlands and died in the Auschwitz concentration camp in 1944…Sotheby’s said proceeds from the sale will be shared between 13 surviving Stern heirs and will also fund further research into the fate of the family’s collection.
Have a good weekend!
Hello.Dana (1225fc) — 3/3/2023 @ 10:04 am
The consumers no longer own what they paid for.
no, they paid for an ebook and that’s exactly what they got.
there’s a price to having stacks and stacks of paper books, especially when I move, but I have an old copy of Dahl’s Willy Wonka book, I own it, and it’s still as it was
and it’s the copy my kids read
I will never get an ebookJF (4c6095) — 3/3/2023 @ 10:13 am
Ronald Dahl: Not a particular fan, but this is why I sideload my ebooks.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/3/2023 @ 10:15 am
DeSantis’ past support for changes to Social Security and Medicare, including votes as a U.S. congressman to raise the eligibility age for Medicare.
These eligibility ages need to be addressed. Ignoring that just makes the job harder when it can no longer be ignored. Raising the “full retirement age” to 68 over a reasonable period is necessary, and the Medicare age should rise, too.
A higher-cost Medicare premium for those under the full retirement age also makes sense, as medical insurance for people in their 60s is VERY expensive. The current disability system is often gamed to get around this.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/3/2023 @ 10:21 am
Among other things, the bill would eliminate most mandatory sentences and lower penalties for a number of violent offenses, including carjackings and robberies
OTOH, it also adds a number of new sentence enhancements, so the result seems unclear.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/3/2023 @ 10:23 am
I responded to our colloquy on campaign contributions here.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/3/2023 @ 10:26 am
Low or middle-income countries in Africa and Asia are expected to see the greatest rises.
Wait. I thought that feeding the world was a good thing. Sally Struthers hardest hit.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/3/2023 @ 10:28 am
Trump calling out Fox News for lying? It’s the end times.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/3/2023 @ 10:31 am
Seventh news item:
As I pointed out on a previous thread, it is part of a larger DeSantis plan to restrict the First Amendment in Florida. Fortunately, most of these proposals are clearly unconstitutional. Like Trump, he wants to make it easier for public figures to sue media companies for libel, with the goal of overturning New York Times v. Sullivan.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/3/2023 @ 10:36 am
https://twitter.com/CryptidPolitics/status/1631655197729787910?NJRob (eaeea3) — 3/3/2023 @ 10:38 am
Of course DeSantis doesn’t care about constitutionality of these proposals, he wants to show he is “doing something.” It’s performance art, like his STOP WOKE act.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/3/2023 @ 10:42 am
The Ruscists may well take Bakhmut in the next week or so, but it’ll be rubble more than a town, like Mariupol, and all for a highway crossroads and the sake of Prigozhin’s ego.Paul Montagu (1888f5) — 3/3/2023 @ 10:51 am
You made a savvy point on the CPAC thread regarding DeSantis…
The Schlapp issue and his book tour aside, [Clearly, DeSantis isn’t skipping the popular confab for um, scheduling conflicts. I think it’s more than that. Schedules can be rearranged. I also don’t think it’s because of an unfavorable poll. So, what does he have to lose by attending? Well, it could be that he doesn’t want to risk losing a popularity contest with Trump before he has announced his candidacy. Let’s face it, the optics of DeSantis not besting Trump in the traditional CPAC straw poll certainly wouldn’t help his cause]
OTOH, if DeSantis fears being bested by The Donald in a mere poll, it may bring into question his capacity to stand up to China’s Xi, Russia’s Vlad; NorKo, Iran, etc., etc. So far, we’ve seen him challenge… Mickey Mouse. His current ‘wishy-washy’ position on Ukraine isn’t particularly decisive or strong minded, either. But that could change, as it did from his POV in 2014.
“I’ve warned my publishers that if they later on so much as change a single comma in one of my books, they will never see another word from me. Never! Ever!” he [Dahl] said.
He’s right. We must shun modern publishers and even chastise broadcasters ‘editing’ works from times past to suit the stylishness of changing times or for mere commercial purposes. At best, a ‘publisher’s note’ in the prefaces could suffice to note the context of the times when these works were written w/other reference sources offered to support that context.
We already see a form of this kind of manipulative ‘censorship’ in films and television programs from decades past where words, terms or whole scenes, now deemed offensive are ‘bleeped’ from audio tracks or carefully edited. ‘GWTW’ is often mentioned as a target. Would you edit or rework Margaret Mitchell’s classic novel? And it is to TCM’s credit that when they run the film, ‘GWTW’ in current times, they do not edit it but present it w/an introduction for current context.
It’s as objectional as ‘pan-and-scan,’ and particularly ‘colorization’ was to vintage and b/w films, which changes the intent and context [lighting elements, for example] from what a director intended. Experienced that first hand in the 80’s when, at CBS, an early, colorized version of ‘Yankee Doodle Dandy’ was marketed and the backlash was strong. Editing and/or modifying original works from how they were originally created is not only a slippery slope– it’s just wrong.DCSCA (b417b2) — 3/3/2023 @ 11:01 am
Do you have any more info that this bill is a “DeSantis” driven initiative besides the info that it’s a Florida legislature submitting the proposal?
As for New York Times v. Sullivan, I struggle with that ruling.
On one hand, free speech is exactly that. Free. But, where do you draw the line when it’s malicious? Should we have a society where it’s harder for public figures to sue for defamation based on malicious intent? I dunno. I see arguments for/against it. But, hypothetically, would the toxicity of public discourse be turned down if New York Times v. Sullivan was overturned, placing public figures on same footing as private figures for defamation?whembly (d116f3) — 3/3/2023 @ 11:13 am
I really hope Fox News apologizes
it would set an example the MSM would be sure to follow, like apologizing for covid origins BS, hunter laptop news blackout, hands up don’t shoot, Carter Page and the Steele Dossier, Russian bounties, etc.JF (f4c62d) — 3/3/2023 @ 11:17 am
@14 I think our political discourse is better when I can describe the 2020 election as the choice between a treasonous narcissist that cares nothing about America and a mildly corrupt oatmeal brained creep without fear of being sued.Time123 (004538) — 3/3/2023 @ 11:21 am
@16: Being able to show that you are not spewing falsehoods recklessly should be sufficient.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/3/2023 @ 11:32 am
I agree, but that’s not the current bar for public figures.whembly (d116f3) — 3/3/2023 @ 11:40 am
But, that’s not an intention lie designed to undermine both political figures. It’s an opinion and you’re not spouting outright falsehoods.
I’m talking about things like “Paul Ryan wants to throw grandma off the cliff” sorts of falsehoods. Or, 60 minutes “fake but accurate” Bush memo ordeal. Those are outright lies, and proven that those spouting it knew it was a lie.whembly (d116f3) — 3/3/2023 @ 11:42 am
I agree, but that’s not the current bar for public figures.
Indeed. I would think that someone who is spewing falsehoods recklessly should have to prove they are not being malicious.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/3/2023 @ 11:46 am
Belarus Sentences Nobel Peace Laureate to 10 Years in PrisonKevin M (1ea396) — 3/3/2023 @ 11:53 am
@Rip Murdock that bill:
…looks like it’s this one weirdo’s dream, not something advocated by the whole FL GOP, nor have I seen anything from DeSantis.whembly (d116f3) — 3/3/2023 @ 11:59 am
@15. … it would set an example the MSM would be sure to follow
It’s been done before…
NBC Admits It Rigged Crash, Settles GM Suit
In an extraordinary public apology, NBC said Tuesday night that it erred in staging a fiery test crash of a General Motors pickup truck for its “Dateline NBC” news program and agreed to settle a defamation suit filed by the auto maker. –
CBS Apologizes for Report on Bush Guard Service
Facts and context in the “60 Minutes” decision not to air a tobacco industry exposé
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/smoke/cron.htmlDCSCA (00a640) — 3/3/2023 @ 12:00 pm
Here’s a summary of Sullivan In a unanimous opinion authored by Justice Brennan, the Court ruled for the Times. When a statement concerns a public figure, the Court held, it is not enough to show that it is false for the press to be liable for libel. Instead, the target of the statement must show that it was made with knowledge of or reckless disregard for its falsity.
An intentional lie would still be grounds for a decision, as would reckless disregard for the truth.
My statements were clearly hyperbole. But my point remains that i think political discourse is better when it’s easier to criticize then when it’s easier to sue speakers. For the most part the people speaking are the little ppl and the ppl being discussed are the powerful.
Since this makes lies and reckless disregard for the truth actionable I don’t see what needs improvement?
Ppl can’t spew lies intentionally and they can’t disregard the truth with opening themselves up to legal liability.Time123 (233b5e) — 3/3/2023 @ 12:28 pm
@22 Good rule of Thumb is not to over react to a dumb state law that isn’t very close to passing.Time123 (233b5e) — 3/3/2023 @ 12:29 pm
They paid for a specific version of an ebook. They no longer have that specific book that they purchased.
You purchased a red sweater but unbeknownst to you, the clerk switched out your red sweater for a blue sweater when she bagged it – same style but a different color – do you still have the sweater you purchased? You paid for a sweater and that’s what you got.Dana (1225fc) — 3/3/2023 @ 12:34 pm
> This bill is an affront to the First Amendment and our national commitment to freedom of the press.
Of course it is. The central motivating force for the modern Republican party is the desire to use the power of the state to punish the party’s cultural opponents. It’s what the base wants more than they want anything else, and the best way to get re-elected is to give the base what it wants — and appoint judges who will ignore the constitution in order to support it.aphrael (4c4719) — 3/3/2023 @ 12:40 pm
We’ll see.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/3/2023 @ 12:41 pm
> But, hypothetically, would the toxicity of public discourse be turned down if New York Times v. Sullivan was overturned, placing public figures on same footing as private figures for defamation?
Maybe, but at the same time it would be abused to prevent any public criticism of public figures, including ones in government office.
The cure here would be far worse than the disease it was tyring to cure.aphrael (4c4719) — 3/3/2023 @ 12:43 pm
They paid for a specific version of an ebook. They no longer have that specific book that they purchased.
So, in 1961 Robert Heinlein published a book called Stranger in a Strange Land. It was a NY Times bestseller and won the Hugo (best SF book of the year). It was quite good.
After Heinlein’s death, his widow arranged for the original manuscript of Stranger to be published as the “uncut” edition.
It seems that the original publisher had required Heinlein to cut the book considerably, both for length and content reasons. Heinlein obliged, cutting about a third of the book while adding/fixing other items. When asked later, he thought the editing improved the book.
In any event, the uncut edition was published in the 1990s and today that is the only version you can buy. It is nowhere near as good as the award-winning version, with long libertarian tirades that seriously detract.
But that “uncut” [read:unedited] version is the only one now available. I would be rather upset if my ebook version of the 1961 release got overwritten by some Taliban at Putnam’s.
Moral: Get Calibre, and a utility that strips DRM and keep your own copies.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/3/2023 @ 12:59 pm
I posted about floriduhs don’t say desatan bill. This guy is a pedo (see photo on truth social) opportunist pretending to be a fascist nazi for political gain. A new nixon.asset (6f3c6c) — 3/3/2023 @ 1:00 pm
The “Blogging Bill” does more than target bloggers, and it seems the governor’s office is not unaware of the bill.
SourceRip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/3/2023 @ 1:10 pm
one of the interesting side effects of being a beta reader is that i’m now very used to keeping multiple different electronic copies of different versions of books from different stages in their production process.aphrael (4c4719) — 3/3/2023 @ 1:10 pm
That’s some creative hyperbole.whembly (849622) — 3/3/2023 @ 1:11 pm
> It would make it so that allegations that someone “discriminated against another person or group because of their race, sex, sexual orientation, or gender identity constitutes defamation per se.”
So even if someone openly says that they would never hire a f****t, buys the company i work for, and then fires me, i couldn’t publically claim it was related to my sexual orientation.
Some people just aren’t entitled to express their experience, let alone seek redress of their grievances. That entitlement is reserved for people the cultural right approves of.aphrael (4c4719) — 3/3/2023 @ 1:13 pm
whembly — not hyperbole at all. i’ve spent a huge amount of time in the last six years talking to trumpists, and this is their unifying force: stick it to the libtards, using every tool available. the primary reason they love trump is before 2017 he was the only politician who would openly *do* that, and they’ll forgive him anything because of it.
and it’s evident in the bills that many republican dominated legislatures are considering now, and the policies many republican governors are advocating. hell, desantis is implying that the replacement of the reedy creek district will use its power over disney’s land use to force disney to change its programming to meet the government’s liking.
*you* may not be motivated by this. but the base of the modern republican party is.aphrael (4c4719) — 3/3/2023 @ 1:15 pm
To clarify, there are two different bills being discussed:
HB 991-on libel and defamation, sponsored by Rep. Alex Andrade and which I linked to in post 32.
SB 1316-the blogger licensing bill, which is sponsored by Sen. Jason Brodeur, and linked by whembly in post 22. Not sure why you called him a “weirdo,” National Review only called him a “moron.” Brodeur has also sponsored a companion bill (SB 1220) to HB 991.
The DeSantis administration is aware of SB 1316:
All of the above bills not only violate the US Constitution but also Florida’s (Every person may speak, write and publish sentiments on all subjects but shall be responsible for the abuse of that right. No law shall be passed to restrain or abridge the liberty of speech or of the press. …..)Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/3/2023 @ 1:35 pm
But that won’t prevent them from being passed or enacted, in order to “own the libs.”Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/3/2023 @ 1:36 pm
Grover Cleveland may have engaged in a massive cover-up and the story was maybe not what we have been led to believe
That’s the cover story.
The truth may have been:
She was in the asylum a few days.
She contacted a lawyer and then Cleveland settled with her for $500.
The son was adopted by the father of the woman Cleveland later married.Sammy FInkelman (1d215a) — 3/3/2023 @ 1:43 pm
Something was more important than a possible rape (which was not what most peole are aware of)
You notice in this “Ma, ma, where’s my Pa? you don’t have the forcible adoption/baby sealing.Sammy FInkelman (1d215a) — 3/3/2023 @ 1:46 pm
Grand jury indictment.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/3/2023 @ 1:49 pm
Bakhmut is worthless, and Ukraine has nothing to gain by continuing fighting there. Russia is losing more than Ukraine but Ukraine is losing too many people.Sammy FInkelman (1d215a) — 3/3/2023 @ 1:51 pm
Poisoned with what? Are the girls selected for poisoning because they oppose hijab regulations?Sammy FInkelman (02a146) — 3/3/2023 @ 1:54 pm
Fifty Years ago March 1st.
Free link.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/3/2023 @ 1:56 pm
aphrael (4c4719) — 3/3/2023 @ 1:13 pm
No, you could. It would be defamation, and may be already without a change to the law, but defamation has the defense of truth.
https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/1604/substantial-truth-doctrineSammy FInkelman (1d215a) — 3/3/2023 @ 1:58 pm
54 years ago today, March 3, 1969… when America truly was great:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG6lWYAFeCQDCSCA (cf65d9) — 3/3/2023 @ 2:06 pm
This story cheered me up.Kayzen Hunter, 8, has a favorite waiter, Devonte Gardner, who was going through some tough times.
So Kayzen, with a little help from his father and mother, set up a GoFundMe site for the Gardner family.
And raised enough money for them so they can afford to move into a small apartment, and buy a used car.
That little boy deserves to go far.Jim Miller (f29931) — 3/3/2023 @ 2:09 pm
Zombie Jeffrey Dahmer would have to be the Democratic candidate for Florida Governor to be elected nationwide. But I would not mind seeing him and Trump clawing and biting each other in the Republican primaries.nk (bb1548) — 3/3/2023 @ 2:32 pm
Of course it is. The central motivating force for the modern Republican party is the desire to use the power of the state to punish the party’s cultural opponents
As opposed to the modern Democrat Party which wants to use the power of the state to force recalcitrant knuckle-dragging right-wingers to accept and obey new cultural mores if they want to step outside their house.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/3/2023 @ 2:44 pm
As for Roald Dahl’s original Kindle books being automatically replaced with the bowdlerized books, it should not be at all surprising to anyone familiar with Amazon’s predatory business, especially when it comes to books. They obviously want people to buy the unbowdlerized Penguin books again, on top of the Puffin book they now own. And Penguin/Puffin, one and the same, ain’t gonna be crying on their way to the bank, either.nk (bb1548) — 3/3/2023 @ 3:15 pm
Amazon’s predatory business *practices* I meant to say.nk (bb1548) — 3/3/2023 @ 3:19 pm
nk, am curious to know your thought on this re the ebooks having been automatically updated with the new version:Dana (1225fc) — 3/3/2023 @ 3:45 pm
If your only repository of ebooks is on an Amazon device (or Amazon-accessible disk storage) then you’ve decided that whatever they do is OK. It’s much the same response I give to people who don’t make backups.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/3/2023 @ 3:58 pm
It’s nonsense, Dana. Protagoras, credited by Plato for inventing the professional sophist, would have sneered at it.
I would classify it as the utterance of the professional contrarian.
As others have pointed out, what Amazon did is very similar to a bait-and-switch fraud.nk (bb1548) — 3/3/2023 @ 3:59 pm
And whether the emptor should caveat with Amazon is besides the point, Kevin.nk (bb1548) — 3/3/2023 @ 4:02 pm
Suppose a book publisher fixes eleven typos in a book. Should they upload the new version to everyone?Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/3/2023 @ 4:07 pm
@55: Trust, but back up.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/3/2023 @ 4:08 pm
One of these days we’re going to catch them updating the Constitution like that.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/3/2023 @ 4:09 pm
Thanks, nk. I agree.
Simply put, the item is no longer the original and specific item that the consumer purchased.Dana (1225fc) — 3/3/2023 @ 4:10 pm
Most certainly.Dana (1225fc) — 3/3/2023 @ 4:11 pm
All of the books I buy are hard copies, mostly because they are out of print and too old to have an e-book version.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/3/2023 @ 4:12 pm
Like most computer software, you are buying a license, not a owning the e-book.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/3/2023 @ 4:13 pm
Is Trump Still Invited?
Uh-huh. Trump must have been the only one around who didn’t know about Nick Fuentes.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/3/2023 @ 4:19 pm
I’m going to respond to whembly’s lengthy comment on the other thread here on this open thread.
I agree with your comment about grass-roots efforts to support better candidates in the primary.
And, I agree that Trump had many good policies. However, he had one policy that superseded all of them, and that is his policy of denying election results. That is more harmful than his good policies were beneficial.
Why? Because voters can vote out anybody whose policies they dislike at the next election, but NOT if the person holding office refuses to recognize the result of that election.
Causing people to doubt the vote, and stoking anger among your rabid base, blows a gaping hole in the foundation of our republic. It will result in a different kind of government–a banana republic.norcal (7345e5) — 3/3/2023 @ 4:51 pm
Sad!:Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/3/2023 @ 5:02 pm
#66 norcal – I agree, and I would add this point: The most important gain for social conservatives while Trump was president was the change in the Supreme Court. That would have happened, if almost any of the serious Republican candidates had been elected, instead of the loser.
And it was made possible by Mitch Daniels who held a seat open, for which he should receive credit, if you agree with that change.
(For the record: I agreed with what Daniels did, though I am uncomfortable with how it happened. But we badly needed to get back to a “less inventive” reading of the Constitution.)Jim Miller (f29931) — 3/3/2023 @ 5:29 pm
I think you mean McConnell.norcal (7345e5) — 3/3/2023 @ 5:37 pm
norcal – Right you are. I was just about to make that correction. Thanks for doing it for me.Jim Miller (f29931) — 3/3/2023 @ 5:39 pm
I believe I made a similar point about any other Republican (with the possible exception of Kasich) nominating similar Justices when discussing Trump with my friend the Tuckyo True Believer, with the response that he didn’t think other Republicans would have done so.
In the great words of Patterico, his mind has been turned into rancid mush by rank partisan bullsh!t.norcal (7345e5) — 3/3/2023 @ 5:43 pm
Also, Jim, a discussion with aphrael a couple of years ago resulted in me becoming very uncomfortable with how McConnell went about it, so I share your discomfort.
I credit aphrael for reducing my tribalism.
I have learned so much from this blog.norcal (7345e5) — 3/3/2023 @ 5:49 pm
All of the books I buy are hard copies, mostly because they are out of print and too old to have an e-book version.
There is a cottage industry in making ebooks of old OOP books. Scan, OCR, correct, ebook.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/3/2023 @ 6:00 pm
After exiting the stage, videos posted online showed Haley facing a crowd of conference attendees loudly chanting “Trump.”
She went there knowing that. Too bad DeSantis couldn’t grow a pair.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/3/2023 @ 6:01 pm
The MSM stories are all about the heckling. It’s part of the DNC campaign to run against Trump.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/3/2023 @ 6:03 pm
Pushback: The Folly Of UkraineHoratio (1f6c65) — 3/3/2023 @ 6:15 pm
https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/the-american-people-must-draw-red-lines-now/Horatio (1f6c65) — 3/3/2023 @ 6:17 pm
The package also includes armored vehicle-launched bridges
These will be really handy.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/3/2023 @ 6:24 pm
Nothing that you buy in electronic form is yours if it has DRM or is on a proprietary platform. You don’t really own your Amazon ebooks or your Steam games or your Apple music, you only have a license to use what the company provides for you.Nic (896fdf) — 3/3/2023 @ 7:29 pm
RIP Tom Sizemore (61).Rip Murdock (24fce2) — 3/3/2023 @ 8:06 pm
Geez, I had no idea that even Steve Bannon was speaking at CPAC.Dana (1225fc) — 3/3/2023 @ 8:11 pm
Since her speech didn’t break any new policy ground (like, say attacking election denialism) the heckling was probably the highlight.Rip Murdock (24fce2) — 3/3/2023 @ 8:11 pm
Not interested in digital books; I have over 3,000 real books catalogued online. Someday I might let you see them.Rip Murdock (24fce2) — 3/3/2023 @ 8:19 pm
I always struggle to understand where exactly religion figures in to the MAGA movement. Sure, there are those like Pastor Jeffress that gave Trump early cover and remain devotedly in his corner, but does Christianity really just intersect politics at transsexual athletes, illegal immigrants, drag shows, Critical Race Theory, concealed carry, and dopey wokeism?
David French at least tries to anchor his writing to his religious philosophy. That’s why I believe he focuses so tenaciously on healing the political divide or at least listening to the other side and turning down the rhetorical volume. When I read French I hear Christian charity. I hear someone trying to appeal to our better selves. I hear someone who will stand up for his values yet understands that this is a contest of persuasion, not an unhinged screaming match.
They will know us by our love. It’s certainly a challenge to love your enemy. Chuck Schumer is not lovable. It’s hard to love liberal busy bodies who want to dictate the type of car you drive, what words you read, how much red meat you consume, the capacity of your rifle magazine, and what pronouns you use. But the challenge to love your enemy is remarkable. It’s not a command to roll over supine, like a golden retriever looking for a belly rub, but to approach people with good will and optimism.
I don’t see that from MAGA’s most prominent ambassadors. Now some will argue that the truth might hurt and we can’t sugarcoat evil, but where then does charity figure in? We’re degenerating to both sides trying to impose their cultural preferences by any means possible. That strikes me as remarkably unchristian. We’re drawing our Smith & Wesson before the first cheek is even struck. Ezekial 25:17 has subsumed John 15:12, with a few FU’s thrown in for good measure. Are our values linked to something timeless or are we being driven by our less better selves? Who will Trump, Lake, MTG, and Boebert appeal to?AJ_Liberty (83c19c) — 3/3/2023 @ 8:45 pm
Nothing that you buy in electronic form is yours if it has DRM or is on a proprietary platform
https://apprenticealf.wordpress.com/2012/09/10/calibre-plugins-the-simplest-option-for-removing-most-ebook-drm/Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/3/2023 @ 10:31 pm
Not interested in digital books; I have over 3,000 real books catalogued online. Someday I might let you see them.
The wife and I had almost 10,000 books before we moved from L.A. We unloaded most of them. Do you have any idea what it takes to move 10,000 books 800 miles?Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/3/2023 @ 10:32 pm
@84 “I don’t care if it rains or freezes I’m going to buy a plastic jesus!”asset (30f78d) — 3/4/2023 @ 12:15 am
How many here think it will be cheeper to defend the baltic states, poland and romania if we let russia take over the ukriane and with belerus be on nato’s border. Are do you plan not to support nato either? Instead of the billions to support ukraine we will spend trillions to defend against the russia china axis as we have before ukraine started destroying the russian military and giving chine pause in going against the west.asset (30f78d) — 3/4/2023 @ 12:24 am
Most of us here understand that Ukraine is where we hold.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/4/2023 @ 12:27 am
@Kevin@86 A lot of boxes and some burly movers?
(I say this as someone who has 3 6ft bookshelves doubled rowed with fiction paperbacks and 3 6ft bookshelves of non-fic trade paper/hardbacks. I have not actually counted the number of books)Nic (896fdf) — 3/4/2023 @ 12:38 am
@89 I know most understand we are fighting (destroying) russia on the cheap. I am making the case to those who don’t understand that america will spend many times more money on defense if russia takes over the ukriane, if their argument is our money is better spent on defense elsewhere. I am a anti-war warrior not a pacifist. My interest is the military which makes me able to debate war mongers who never met a war they didn’t like and cut thru their self serving BS. I know when is the right time to support military action and when not too! Like when the side we are supporting wont fight and wants are troops to do their fighting for them. Vietnam iraq afganistan to name just 3. Hey we did kick ass on grenada!asset (30f78d) — 3/4/2023 @ 2:44 am
I try to buy hardbacks when I can, so I can imagine. I’m slowly moving my books into storage so I can build some custom shelves.Rip Murdock (24fce2) — 3/4/2023 @ 7:56 am
“Vietnam iraq afganistan to name just 3. Hey we did kick ass on grenada!”
With better planning, Iraq could have been less of a cluster. A lot of assumptions, not just about WMD, were just wrong. Add in that once Saddam’s regime was torn down…rather quickly actually…there was nothing to fill the military, political, and economic void. A lot of bad stuff filled the void and prevented government institutions from arising and providing basic services. The administration adamantly believed that major reconstruction efforts were not required and impeded UN and other countries from getting involved in the process.
It was simplistic to think that take out Saddam and the region would naturally flourish or that Chalabi could jump in and establish control of the bureacracy or that the military would uniformly surrender and not create the militias and gangs that caused so much problem. But it’s also simplistic to claim that better planning could not have improved the outcome. In hindsight, there clearly was no great threat from an Iraqi WMD program. There was also no real evidence of collusion between Saddam and Al Qaeda or Bin Laden. And despite Saddam being a regional irritant for 25 years, the vacuum of a failed nation state was a bigger risk for the foreseeable future.
I think Iraq sits in a category by itself. There was always a sense that an injustice was done by leaving Saddam in place following the Kuwait action. The actual military part of it was wrapped up in 4 weeks. Everything that followed illustrated bad planning. I think the civilian leadership, the military, and the country understand that now. Few are eager to invade Iran or any where else really. Iraq and the housing collapse gave us Obama and subsequently Obamacare. The reaction to that gave us Trump. But we shouldn’t draw the conclusion that resisting Putin means another Iraq.AJ_Liberty (83c19c) — 3/4/2023 @ 8:27 am
The Arizona GOP Jumps the Shark:
Wild and unsubstantiated allegations made in a hearing last week that dozens of elected officials, including state lawmakers, are secretly on the payroll of a Mexican drug cartel have roiled the legislature.
While top Republicans have denounced the allegations as “disgraceful” and an “embarrassment,” no one is taking responsibility. Instead, leaders are blaming each other and a freshman GOP legislator who supposedly organized the day’s agenda.
The Senate, (Senate President Warren) Petersen said, was unaware that the final speaker of the day would allege that Gov. Katie Hobbs, several Maricopa County Supervisors, a dozen Maricopa County Superior Court judges and the mayor of Mesa were taking bribes from the Sinaloa drug cartel in the form of money laundered through a housing deed scam. Nor did they know she would accuse the lawmakers listening to her of being in on the scam.
………….(A) spokesman for the House of Representatives Republican caucus attempted to shift the blame away from (House Speaker Ben Toma) to the Senate.
“Why was the meeting held in the Senate and chaired by a senator?” spokesman Andrew Wilder told a journalist from Axios.
Petersen swiftly responded on Twitter, noting that the joint hearing was held in the Senate because Toma “requested it.” And the meeting was co-chaired by a Republican from each legislative chamber, he noted.
Toma, for his part, sought to place all of the blame for Breger’s testimony on (Rep. Liz Harris, a freshman Republican).
Harris is a prominent election denier and conspiracy theorist who runs a website devoted to baseless 2020 election fraud conspiracies. In 2021, she conducted a flawed canvass of the 2020 election in Maricopa County in an attempt to prove voter “fraud.”
She is also closely aligned with QAnon. In posts on Facebook, Harris has shared the QAnon slogan, and has also appeared on a number of QAnon internat programs, often promoting her work in Maricopa County, which was done alongside other well-known election deniers associated with the QAnon conspiracy theory. And when Ron Watkins, the man many believe to be the person posting as Q, moved to Arizona, Harris owned the property that Watkins was registered to vote at.
Comedy gold!Rip Murdock (24fce2) — 3/4/2023 @ 8:37 am
Most of the cartoons in this week’s Politico collection were lousy. At best.
But I got a perverse pleasure from two of them, Enos’s “war profiteers”, and Stiglick’s cartoon take on Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot’s defeat.
A perverse pleasure from each of them, but for different reasons. Enos’s cartoon reminded me of the arguments made in the 1930’s that World War I was caused, not by German agression, but by war profiteers. For example. (Those arguments were one of the reasons Britain and America were not as prepared as we should have been for World War II. Some mistakes never die.)
Stiglick’s cartoon jokes about the terrible murder toll in Chicago, a toll that explains why the Democratic mayor of that very Democratic city came in third in the primary, and was eliminated.Jim Miller (f29931) — 3/4/2023 @ 8:52 am
No surprise that the bigots trying to silence others in the name of “hate speech” are the ones creating the “hate speech” in the first place.NJRob (b8171b) — 3/4/2023 @ 9:03 am
I think that this actually meets the Sullivan test.
It’s really hard to believe that Arizonans have all lost their minds, but it does get pretty hot in the summer….Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/4/2023 @ 9:28 am
IThe CPAC Circus gets even better:Rip Murdock (24fce2) — 3/4/2023 @ 10:02 am
TrumpWorld not amused:
Rip Murdock (24fce2) — 3/4/2023 @ 10:10 am
The mistreatment they suffer has extended to CPAC this year, said Mr. Straka.
I’ve been cheated, and mistreated!
When will I be loved?
It’s a rigged and stolen CPAC, Mr. Straka.nk (bb1548) — 3/4/2023 @ 10:19 am
Free speech! Humbug! People should only say what Ron DeSantis wants them to say. Not more, not less.nk (bb1548) — 3/4/2023 @ 10:23 am
I wonder if the GOP nomination contest will turn to the J6 rioters. Will someone promise to commute sentences? Or pardon them? Will President Trump give them all the Medal of Freedom? Or disband the Senate and put the rioters in their place?Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/4/2023 @ 10:58 am
‘Non-Person’ Donald Trump faces ‘soft ban’ at Fox
In recent months, 2024 Republican presidential hopefuls have been seen almost daily on the network, pitching themselves to its vast conservative audience. According to Media Matters’ internal database of cable news appearances, Nikki Haley’s been featured on weekday Fox News shows seven times since announcing her presidential bid on February 14. Even the little known fund manager Vivek Ramaswamy, who announced on February 21, has made four weekday appearances. Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, who is widely expected to run, has been all over the network in recent days.
Trump hasn’t been on Fox News since announcing his presidential bid in November. His last weekday appearance on the network was in September with host Sean Hannity. During that interview, Trump said a president could declassify documents “by thinking about it.”
“The understanding is that they’re [Fox prime time hosts] not to have Trump on for an interview, because the Murdochs have made it pretty clear they want to move on from Trump … Fox is showing that by not having him on,” a Republican operative familiar with Trump’s campaign added.
The network skipped his speech in Ohio last week and Trump himself has complained publicly in recent days that the network is aggressively “promoting” DeSantis, despite him being the frontrunner in recent 2024 polls.
“If Rupert Murdoch honestly believes that the Presidential Election of 2020, despite MASSIVE amounts of proof to the contrary, was not Rigged & Stolen, then he & his group of MAGA Hating Globalist RINOS should get out of the News Business as soon as possible, because they are aiding & abetting the DESTRUCTION OF AMERICA with FAKE NEWS,” Trump wrote Wednesday on Truth Social, responding to the Dominion court filing.
TrumpWorld not amused:
Rip Murdock (24fce2) — 3/4/2023 @ 11:14 am
Link to TrumpWorld comments.Rip Murdock (24fce2) — 3/4/2023 @ 11:16 am
I find it amazing that people SELECT propaganda and bubbles. They really are not interested in information but in getting their bullsh1t cosigned.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/4/2023 @ 11:52 am
Donald Trump Reacts to Darling Nikki’s CPAC SpeechRip Murdock (24fce2) — 3/4/2023 @ 12:10 pm
Anti-Semitism in ActionRip Murdock (24fce2) — 3/4/2023 @ 12:34 pm
I know most understand we are fighting (destroying) russia on the cheap.
Cheap? It’s convewnient to overlook The Cold War…. and it can hardly be labeled ‘cheap’:
The Cold War Economy
Opportunity Costs, Ideology, and the Politics of Crisis
https://www.independent.org/publications/article.asp?id=1297DCSCA (bad1f8) — 3/4/2023 @ 12:37 pm
CPAC is entertaining weekend television. House beagles barking; assorted interest groups throwing fish to the seals; Tedtoo, once championed by many on this forum as POTUS timber, now just a Jolly Green Trumpman; undeclared Pompeo, lugs around a heavy resume but presents all the campaigning charisma of a bag of cement. Haley always looks swell, spoke balanced on a tightrope and took the temperature of the crowd but likely a VP at best. MIA DeSantis did not enhance his street cred beyond Florida by battling Mickey Mouse but avoiding a Trumpy gathering– he cannot win the nom without them.DCSCA (bad1f8) — 3/4/2023 @ 12:55 pm
@93 gen. shinseki was fired for saying we need better planing then the neo-cons like rumsfeld and cheney before the war wanted. The cia was overruled and punished (see movie fair game) when they said their was little to evidence and in fact the nuclear program had been removed.asset (2940a8) — 3/4/2023 @ 1:25 pm
@108 You make my point. The cold war cost trillions and is still costing us. A fraction of this amount is going to ukraine to degrade if not destroy russian military. We have troops around the world not in ukraine. If ukraine loses we will have to up are military spending not decrease it!asset (2940a8) — 3/4/2023 @ 1:30 pm
We have troops around the world not in ukraine.
-=sigh= ‘Pentagon Confirms Active-Duty U.S. Troops Are Deployed Inside Ukraine’
The Pentagon has confirmed active-duty U.S. military are deployed inside Ukraine and have “resumed on-site inspections to assess weapon stocks.” This is Air Force Brigadier General Pat Ryder.
Brig. Gen. Patrick Ryder: “My understanding is they would be well far away from any type of frontline actions. We are relying on the Ukrainians to do that. We’re relying on other partners to do that. … We’ve been very clear there are no combat forces in Ukraine, no U.S. forces conducting combat operations in Ukraine. These are personnel that are assigned to conduct security cooperation and assistance as part of the Defense Attaché Office.”
The ‘Five O’Clock Follies’ had a shorter name for ’em: “Advisors.”DCSCA (bbc5a4) — 3/4/2023 @ 1:35 pm
I miss DRJ’s comments.Simon Jester (c8876d) — 3/4/2023 @ 2:00 pm
#113 As do I.Jim Miller (f29931) — 3/4/2023 @ 2:21 pm
Video at link.Rip Murdock (24fce2) — 3/4/2023 @ 2:40 pm
Worth reading: This essay on the 1619 project:
By which Robert C. Thornett means that the project often misleads by what it omits, as well as by what it gets wrong.Jim Miller (f29931) — 3/4/2023 @ 2:44 pm
This is an excellent analysis of Russia’s lack of planning and what it is costing them in manpower and weaponry as they fight to claim Bakhmut. Literally a city of rubble, zero infrastructure, and no strategic value. Mick Ryan is very good on strategy and tactics in this war. Interestingly, the only president courageous enough to go to Bakhmut to support his troops is Zelensky, of course.Dana (1225fc) — 3/4/2023 @ 3:07 pm
Republicans say Biden FAA nominee is ‘not qualified’ for the job
The nominee: Phillip Washington.
‘Phillip A. Washington is an American governmental administrator working as the CEO of Denver International Airport. He was previously CEO of the Los Angeles Metro, and served as the head of president Joe Biden’s transportation transition team. In July 2022, Washington was nominated to serve as administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration.
In May 2015, Los Angeles mayor Eric Garcetti announced that Washington would become the new CEO of the Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority… In November 2020, Washington was named Team Lead for the Joe Biden presidential transition Agency Review Team for the United States Department of Transportation. In February 2021, after informing the Metro Board not to renew or extend his contract, Washington announced he would be retiring from the post that May…
[In] 2021, Denver mayor Michael Hancock nominated Washington to become the CEO of Denver International Airport, taking over the position from CEO Kim Day who was retiring… A few days after, the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department had a criminal investigation at LACMTA’s offices related to a criminal investigation into Washington, which came after a Metro whistleblower’s claims of corruption. The investigation was of Metro’s sexual harassment hotline, which was found to cost more than $8,000 per call after “multiple no-bid contracts to run the service were awarded to Peace Over Violence, a charity led by a close friend and campaign donor of L.A. County Supervisor and Metro board member Sheila Kuehl.” Washington maintained that he was innocent and that the complaint was from a disgruntled employee, with Hancock supporting him. Despite the allegations and the investigation, the Denver City Council unanimously voted to approve Washington as the new CEO.’ – wikibio
The FAA has eight major roles:
Regulating U.S. commercial space transportation
Regulating air navigation facilities’ geometry and flight inspection standards
Encouraging and developing civil aeronautics, including new aviation technology
Issuing, suspending, or revoking pilot certificates
Regulating civil aviation to promote safety, especially through local offices called Flight Standards District Offices
Developing and operating a system of air traffic control and navigation for both civil and military aircraft
Researching and developing the National Airspace System and civil aeronautics
Developing and carrying out programs to control aircraft noise and other environmental effects of civil aviation
““He does not have any experience in aviation safety. This quite simply is a position he is not qualified for,” Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) said. “I’m disappointed that the administration has chosen to treat a critical safety position as a patronage job.”
“By the way, is there anyone on board who knows how to fly a plane?” – Elaine Dickinson [Julie Hagerty] ‘Airplane!’ 1980DCSCA (0d1407) — 3/4/2023 @ 3:19 pm
The bill would create a private civil right of action that would let individuals sue people or organizations that violate the proposed law
We need to put a stop to that crap.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/4/2023 @ 3:22 pm
Dana, you beat me to the Mick Ryan link, but I thought his final paragraphs were relevant (in addition to his thoughts about planning a good “retrograde”).Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/4/2023 @ 3:45 pm
Is that the only part you object to?
For the record, I oppose internet censorship.Rip Murdock (24fce2) — 3/4/2023 @ 3:51 pm
@116 when I went to school we both said the pledge and prayed and when I was taught history except for a couple uncle toms black people were not mentioned. This was in tulsa where hundreds black people were murdered in 1921 and the black part of the city bombed ;but you would never know it from the schools their. I later found out a black teacher was fired for teaching about John Brown to her mostly black students. That got me interested in him. When I went to collage I found out that dr. king was not a dangerous revolutionary and communist! Your side omits plenty of history. I remember texas trying to censor history books that talked about the civil war and slavery. Your side is worse.asset (880261) — 3/4/2023 @ 3:53 pm
If Putin ever visited his troops on the frontlines, he would be fragged.Rip Murdock (24fce2) — 3/4/2023 @ 3:54 pm
@112 how many combat troops are fighting in ukraine none. How many combat troops (not volunteers) have died fighting none. Can the same be said about the middle east and africa?asset (880261) — 3/4/2023 @ 3:58 pm
Excerpt from Trump’s CPAC speech tonight:Dana (1225fc) — 3/4/2023 @ 4:14 pm
OMG, Dana.Simon Jester (0d54cc) — 3/4/2023 @ 4:57 pm
@118. It’s Texas. But if they get away with doing it to abortion information, can vegetarian recipes be far behind? It’s Texas.(sic)nk (bb1548) — 3/4/2023 @ 4:58 pm
Is that the only part you object to?
It’s the only part that isn’t obviously unconstitutional and/or unworkable.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/4/2023 @ 4:59 pm
@126: Shorter: “I am your Augustus!”Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/4/2023 @ 5:01 pm
@126. Grand entertainment; Trump spoke for two hours—- and in those 120 minutes, thankfully never once said, “folks, here’s the deal,” ‘no joke,’ nor “c’mon, man, I really, really mean it.”
The GOPAC Straw Poll:
Donald Trump Wins CPAC Straw Poll, More Than Tripling DeSantis’ Support
The Conservative Political Action Conference straw poll on Saturday was overwhelmingly won by former President Donald Trump, with Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis a distant second and former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley, entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY), and former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo all pulling in single digit support.
Trump scooped up a whopping 62 percent of the vote of CPAC attendees, with DeSantis pulling in less than a third of that at 20 percent. The Florida governor’s poor polling at the conservative confab was somewhat expected since he decided not to attend. Michigan millionaire and longest-of-longshot candidates Perry Johnson came in a surprising third, with 5 percent. According to Politico reporter Meridith McGraw, Johnson’s campaign “set up shop here this week” and apparently the on-the-ground efforts paid off. Haley followed with 3 percent, and then Ramaswamy, Paul, Cruz, and Pompeo each got 1 percent. DeSantis was more competitive with the question asking CPAC attendees who they wanted as vice president. With the majority of poll takers (62%) picking Trump, most of these answers would be assuming the 45th president at the top of the ticket. – https://www.mediaite.com/politics/breaking-donald-trump-beats-desantis-haley-to-win-cpac-straw-poll/
Only 3% for Darlin’ Nikki. She’s got an uphill fight for sure.DCSCA (1f60a6) — 3/4/2023 @ 5:34 pm
You can watch excerpts of Trump’s CPAC speech on Twitter @atrupar (Aaron Rupar). I just watched a number of clips and am convinced more than ever that he has no business being in the White House or any other position of power. My god.Dana (1225fc) — 3/4/2023 @ 5:43 pm
meanwhile, while we demand Fox News apologize
When he’s right, he’s right. Sorry haters!
SourceJF (e68188) — 3/4/2023 @ 6:26 pm
That orange ass is too big to cover.
Early in 2020, while Covid was exploding around the world, he made a “beautiful trade deal with Xi Jinping so Ivanka could keep her Chinese trademarks and the Kushners could keep selling investor visas to the Chinese. He then sent the FBI out to confiscate PPE from Americans and send it to China. Ventilators too.nk (bb1548) — 3/4/2023 @ 6:39 pm
nk (bb1548) — 3/4/2023 @ 6:39 pm
let the whaddabouts beginJF (4da5b8) — 3/4/2023 @ 6:44 pm
Whadda about love? Don’t let it slip awayAJ_Liberty (4940cd) — 3/4/2023 @ 6:56 pm
Whadda about love? I only want to share it with you
They’re not whaddabouts. They’re “Trump is a lying crapweasel”. Like water is wet.
And he did not get TOTAL EXONERATION the Great Georgia Grand Jury either.nk (bb1548) — 3/4/2023 @ 6:57 pm
Funny, I thought Chairman Xi was trying baby bonuses. Now Trump, too, I suppose in lieu of brown-skinned immigrants making babies.Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/4/2023 @ 7:24 pm
Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/4/2023 @ 7:24 pm
sez someone who lives in the Pallor State, and as far removed from the southern border as anyone possibly canJF (4da5b8) — 3/4/2023 @ 7:37 pm
LOL!Rip Murdock (24fce2) — 3/4/2023 @ 7:56 pm
Russian Media Watch:
Video at link.
Stay away from high windows.Rip Murdock (24fce2) — 3/4/2023 @ 8:07 pm
The easiest way for Karen Shakhnazarov to rehabilitate himself would be to move the goalposts a bit and hint around that he was asking for the nuclear option to be taken seriously in the event of a loss to America and NATO, or maybe that Russia should try to manipulate the drug cartels in Mexico to launch attacks on America.steveg (dec718) — 3/4/2023 @ 8:19 pm
More from Donald Trump at CPAC:
“I will send in the National Guard until law and order is restored. You know we’re not supposed to do that,” Trump said in his address closing out the annual Conservative Political Action Conference …….Rip Murdock (24fce2) — 3/4/2023 @ 8:29 pm
Without evidence, Trump claimed that, as President, he ordered the clearing out of homeless encampments in Washington, DC. He also bemoaned how his chairman of the joint chiefs of staff Gen. Mark Milley objected to Trump’s June 2020 order for National Guard forces to use tear gas and rubber bullets to push out racial justice protestors from Lafayette Park in front of the White House so Trump could stage a photo op with a bible in front of St. John’s Episcopal Church. “He didn’t like me holding up a bible in front of a church,” Trump said about Milley.
……….. Trump repeatedly praised the use of force to address the nation’s problems. He also praised those who continue to defend the rioters who broke through police lines at the Capitol Building on Jan. 6, 2021, and said that if he is elected back into the White House, he would be “your warrior” and “your retribution.”
Sorry about the lack of blockquotes.Rip Murdock (24fce2) — 3/4/2023 @ 8:30 pm
What I’ve learned the last few years is that using the phrase “brown-skinned” gets Trumpists quite angry and irritable. And FTR, while WA State is mostly whitebread, Seattle and the Eastside is a legitimate melting pot.Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/4/2023 @ 9:15 pm
That orange ass is too big to cover.
To be fair, by the time that Trump was told, in late January 2020, the virus was already here and spreading and the advice he got was conflicting.
Of course, since his empire was based on tourism, he was not in any rush to shut it down.
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=100X1R2fkKAKevin M (1ea396) — 3/4/2023 @ 9:35 pm
Anyone who takes Trump’s word for something in the past is a fool. Hell, anyone who takes Trump’s word for something right in front of them is a fool.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/4/2023 @ 9:40 pm
Only 3% for Darlin’ Nikki. She’s got an uphill fight for sure.
CPAC is the lunatic fringe. I’m surprised she got 3%Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/4/2023 @ 9:41 pm
Tom Nichols, on Trump’s proposed “baby bonuses” policy.
But it’s not a real policy, it’s word salad riffing stream of consciousness. And this…
While I was doing fieldwork yesterday, I listened a long BBC segment on Chairman Xi’s complete flip-flop from One Child Policy to Bang ‘Em Out, and it’s a major mental adjustment for the women who were told to raise their one child to the utmost.Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/4/2023 @ 9:42 pm
sez someone who lives in the Pallor State, and as far removed from the southern border as anyone possibly can
I live in New Mexico, and I agree with Paul.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/4/2023 @ 9:43 pm
Alaska drops ban on discrimination of lbgtq people.(DU) Wimp corporate establishment liberal democrats will whine and knash their teeth. Patrick Henry had a better solution.asset (e52403) — 3/4/2023 @ 11:42 pm
Readers here know that as soon as I learned enough about the wuhan lab I was suspicious of the chinese and WHO cover story and called out the those especially in the democrat party who discounted it for political gain. Others here was suspicious too. As I remember most here were suspicious.asset (e52403) — 3/4/2023 @ 11:52 pm
Chairman Mao interfering in elections tothe north. Now do our own.NJRob (eb56c3) — 3/5/2023 @ 2:33 am
Portland in all its leftist glory.NJRob (eb56c3) — 3/5/2023 @ 3:53 am
Here’s a full list of the stores Walmart is announced they’re closing.Time123 (2194fb) — 3/5/2023 @ 4:53 am
Portland in all its leftist glory.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 3/5/2023 @ 3:53 am
Maybe they could “smell the Trump support” (h/t Peter Strzok)
In other Partlandistan news:
Nike abruptly closed a key Portland store and reportedly wants to reopen with off-duty police officers that can arrest shoplifters
Nike Offers to Pay Police to Guard Portland Store From Shoplifters
then, the inevitable
Portland nixes Nike’s request to hire city cops for its MLK store, offers future public safety blitz for the area
democrats in actionJF (09dc29) — 3/5/2023 @ 7:16 am
As I remember most here were suspicious.
asset (e52403) — 3/4/2023 @ 11:52 pm
LOL you probably should review the archives
it was one of those right wing conspiracy theories, which are always the butt of jokes until years later when they end up being trueJF (09dc29) — 3/5/2023 @ 7:23 am
Larry Hogan Says He Will Not Run for President
Mr. Hogan, the former Maryland governor and longtime Trump critic, said he saw little room to gain support and did not want a large candidate field that could help Mr. Trump win the 2024 Republican primary.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/5/2023 @ 7:33 am
Huh?Rip Murdock (24fce2) — 3/5/2023 @ 8:11 am
Remember the Chicago Seven? This is the Trumpian version.
If Trump wins the nomination, come of these people will be speakers at the convention.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/5/2023 @ 8:13 am
RIP Ricou Browning (93). He WAS the Creature From the Black Lagoon. He also directed the speargun fight sequence in Thunderball.Rip Murdock (24fce2) — 3/5/2023 @ 8:22 am
It’s a communist utopia. Excellence and achievent must be banned.NJRob (1f95c5) — 3/5/2023 @ 8:47 am
For about three weeks after they admitted the virus existed on December 31, 2019. This had earlier been claimed in Wuhan.
This acknowledgement was postponed about a week after the decision had been made to admit it so they could get a trade deal signed with the United States – a trade deal they knew they’d never have to live up to.
It was only long if you use a logarithmic scale of time.
Saying it was not easily spread maybe went on a bit longer.
True. This was the Australian theory as to their motive for doing so, I don’t think that was their main motive. Their motive was to avoid being cut off from the world,
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/08/27/statement-by-president-joe-biden-on-the-investigation-into-the-origins-of-covid-%E2%81%A019/Sammy Finkelman (35fa6f) — 3/5/2023 @ 10:43 am
The link is a refutation of Trump’s claim that Biden shut off the investigation of the origin of Covid. I think he did, but then he restarted it, bigger.
Why do you think the FBI and DOE came to a conclusion that it probably originated in a lab?Sammy Finkelman (35fa6f) — 3/5/2023 @ 10:46 am
@163: Students with good test scores will still submit them. Students who don’t, can’t. This is really just an attempt to avoid any quantitative record so they can be as biased as they want and no one cand say they were.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/5/2023 @ 10:47 am
I could believe that the Sinaloa or other drug cartel had bribed the DC City Council, but I’d still want to see some indication of that.Sammy Finkelman (35fa6f) — 3/5/2023 @ 10:55 am
Trump Litigation Watch:Rip Murdock (24fce2) — 3/5/2023 @ 10:55 am
Trump Litigation Watch II:
Christie seems to be confused. The Stormy Daniels criminal investigation is being conducted by the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office, while the New York Attorney General’s civil investigation is related to how The Trump Organization valued properties for tax and loan applications.
I would be very surprised if Trump is personally indicted on anything.Rip Murdock (24fce2) — 3/5/2023 @ 11:18 am
Trump Litigation Watch III:Rip Murdock (24fce2) — 3/5/2023 @ 11:28 am
The defendants were sentenced by Senior United States District Judge. Charles Breyer, who is the brother of former Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer.
Paragraph breaks added.Rip Murdock (24fce2) — 3/5/2023 @ 12:03 pm
Some news article have been calling erythritol an “artificial” sweetener, since an article in Nature linked it to heart problems. (In the US, it is usually sold under the Truvia brand name.) I would say the commercial version is about as artificial as cheese or yogurt, judging by this Wikpedia article:
Or, perhaps, even less.
I suppose though, that calling it “artificial” will appeal to those with the common Green superstition that “natural” is good, and “artificial” is bad.
(Is erythritol a cause of heart problems? It’s hard to tell since the study did not measure intake, and our bodies do make it. Which seems “natural” to me.)Jim Miller (f29931) — 3/5/2023 @ 12:43 pm
When said speech is in fact followed by immediate lawless action this test is far easier to meet.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/5/2023 @ 12:44 pm
Steven Spielberg Has His Own Theory About Those UFOs: ‘What If It’s Us, 500,000 Years in the Future?’
“The most optimistic thing I feel about these things we see in the skies, that the Army and Navy and Air Force are recording on their gun cameras, is that what if they’re not from an advanced civilization 300 million lightyears from here?,” he said. “What if it’s us, 500,000 years in the future, that is coming back to document the second half of the 20th century and into the 21st century because they’re anthropologists? And they know something we don’t quite know yet that has occurred, and they’re trying to track the last hundred years of our history.” – indiewire.com
“Fascinating.” – Mr. Spock [Leonard Nimoy] nearly every classic ‘Star Trek’ NBC TV, 1966-69DCSCA (7b4223) — 3/5/2023 @ 12:45 pm
From the poll:Rip Murdock (24fce2) — 3/5/2023 @ 1:08 pm
It will depend whether the evidence shows that the words used were directed to any person or group and evidence that they were intended and likely to produce imminent disorder. See Hess v. Indiana 414 U.S. 105 (1973).
As I said above I don’t think Trump will be indicted for anything.Rip Murdock (24fce2) — 3/5/2023 @ 1:28 pm
Would like to hear opinions on how Republicans expect to “win” the next POTUS cycle w/o MAGA supporters. Yes, state and local elections are battlefields unto themselves and efforts within at that level can’t be overlooked. Reagan succeeded w/a coalition of ‘extreme’ factions w/t ‘Big Tent’ concept– even ‘Reagan Democrats’ came aboard. But Reagan, both a D and R in his political history, struck a balance of sorts w/t the more extreme factions in the party and today, many of those minions have now risen to shape the party of today. He left office 34 years ago and the character of both the party and the country have changed. Anybody recall the D’s wistfully calling for FDR in 1979, 34 years after he left office? Nope. Revisit some editorials of the time. Somebody in the GOP is going to have to strike a deal to pull together all these factions… or, unless common sense and fate intervene, the country may face another four years of a Biden/Harris administration.DCSCA (eb9ac0) — 3/5/2023 @ 1:47 pm
Unhappy campers: House Democrats were infuriated and taken aback by President Biden’s announcement on Thursday that he will sign a resolution to nix the District of Columbia’s crime bill.
Pelosi on DC crime bill: I wish Biden ‘would’ve told us first’
Former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi criticized President Biden’s handling of a GOP-led resolution that would overturn parts of a District of Columbia crime bill, decrying that he should have given Democrats “a heads up.”
“If he was going to do it I wish he would’ve told us first, because this was a hard vote for the House members,” Pelosi said at a University of Chicago event on Friday, after being asked whether she agreed with Biden on the bill. – theHill.com
‘Told you first?’ But Nancy:
“I trust his [Biden’s] judgment.” – Nancy Pelosi, 8/25/21DCSCA (eb9ac0) — 3/5/2023 @ 2:05 pm
A Useful Use of One’s TimeRip Murdock (24fce2) — 3/5/2023 @ 2:14 pm
Bret Baier is one of the few cable news personalities I respect for refusing to surrender journalistic principles to personal bias and profit. Vanishingly rare voices of reason who expose their echo-chamber-seeking viewers to hard truths deserve our gratitude for the public service. If the Times reporting is accurate that he demanded Fox cave to pressure from Trump supporters to reverse its Arizona call for Biden, he needs to explain his thinking and take responsibility or lose a lot of hard earned respect and trust. I really hope he clears the air.lurker (cd7cd4) — 3/5/2023 @ 2:25 pm
It will depend whether the evidence shows that the words used were directed to any person or group and evidence that they were intended and likely to produce imminent disorder
Sure, but it is much harder if there is no disorder following.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/5/2023 @ 2:52 pm
Shepard Smith left Fox for CNBC, where he had a level-headed actual NEWS hour. Unfortunately, it did not attract the wingnuts that Fox and MSNBC attract and so the ratings were poor. I’m guessing he ends up at CNN.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/5/2023 @ 2:54 pm
I like this plan:
I hope they have some success with it. (And I just learned that there are “professional frog catchers”.)Jim Miller (f29931) — 3/5/2023 @ 3:33 pm
Bret Baier is one of the few cable news personalities I respect for refusing to surrender journalistic principles to personal bias and profit.
OTOH, don’t recall Cronkite nor Brinkley, Huntley, Reynolds, Jennings, Chancellor, Brokaw etc., peddling any books they’d written during their newscasts, which cabler Baier has done [which is likely part of his contract w/NewsCorp.]– not all that out of line in this era, but does fuzz-up the ‘purity’ of the straight newscaster tradition. But he’s certainly one of the more grounded journalists at NewsCorp., and definitely not one of their opinionators– though he has expressed restrained opinions when appearing on comedy platforms such as ‘Gutfeld!’ and such– usually in conjunction w/a new book release or an exclusive interview package.DCSCA (37b2af) — 3/5/2023 @ 3:39 pm
@184. Lest you forget, ‘frog legs’ are a favorite repast of Utah senator Pierre Delecto:
Mitt Romney Swallows Pride, Frogs Legs at Dinner With Donald Trump
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/11/romney-swallows-pride-frogs-legs-at-dinner-with-trump.htmlDCSCA (37b2af) — 3/5/2023 @ 3:55 pm
My mother, who has been a John Bircher for over 50 years, supported Trump more than any President in my memory. However, she has finally soured on him. What did it?
Trump’s call to terminate the Constitution.norcal (7345e5) — 3/5/2023 @ 4:24 pm
Ron DeSantis, Film Producer:Rip Murdock (a0d2e4) — 3/5/2023 @ 4:31 pm
The Birch Society wasn’t all that keen on parts of the Constitution, arguing, among other things, for state Nullification.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/5/2023 @ 4:32 pm
@187. Interesting. My late mother was a staunch Goldwater Girl– until he lost; worked in his campaign back East in ‘Jersey in ’64, too; my late father was more the ‘Rockefeller Republican’ while my grandfather went with which ever party deposited their funds w/t PNB- where he was a VP – and at the time he was a long time personal friend of then PA State Treasurer, Grace Sloan, a D. It created some friction between the folks at holidays but I do recall him showing up for a visit from PA to go to the DNC convention in ’64 down in Atlantic City which sort of ticked off my father. Only recently, while viewing a CSPAN/NBC kinescope of Robert Kennedy’s speech to the convention not long after JFK’s assassination, did we discover, much to our surprise, brief images of my grandfather amidst the Pennsylvania delegation when they panned across the crowd.DCSCA (37b2af) — 3/5/2023 @ 4:50 pm
Obviously.NJRob (eb56c3) — 3/5/2023 @ 4:57 pm
@148. CPAC is the lunatic fringe. I’m surprised she [Nikki Haley] got 3%
Yeah. But how are you [or she] going to secure a nom and win the general w/o them? There has to be some appeal or compromise w/those factions– especially given their numbers; just labelling then ‘nutty’ won’t entice them into the tent. Nikki and others have to walk quite a tightrope. It’s a real pickle, as the ultimate objective is to avoid another four years of a Biden/Harris administration– assuming he runs.DCSCA (37b2af) — 3/5/2023 @ 4:59 pm
They’re getting ready for the Supreme Court to finally overturn O’Connor’s disaster.NJRob (eb56c3) — 3/5/2023 @ 4:59 pm
You’re against Haley, and seemingly against DeSantis. Whom are you for? I know you’re not for Trump.norcal (7345e5) — 3/5/2023 @ 5:15 pm
Interesting. My late mother was a staunch Goldwater Girl
DCSCA (37b2af) — 3/5/2023 @ 4:50 pm
My mom was a Goldwater Girl also. I think that’s when she got seriously involved in politics. We lived in the Bay Area at the time, and she heard all kinds of negative stuff about Goldwater, only to find out she agreed with him.norcal (7345e5) — 3/5/2023 @ 5:18 pm
A. Trump, DeSantis, and flesh-eating bacteria.
Q. Three things that should remain in Florida.nk (bb1548) — 3/5/2023 @ 5:38 pm
You’re against Haley, and seemingly against DeSantis. Whom are you for? I know you’re not for Trump.
Now that Larry Hogan has bowed out. I guess there is always John Kasich.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/5/2023 @ 5:39 pm
At least Marianne Williamson might finally fund research into exorcism-resistant incubi and succubi that spread Covid. What is Trump’s or DeSantis’s position on that?nk (bb1548) — 3/5/2023 @ 6:12 pm
Well, so much for that Clown Confederacy.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3885392-kari-lake-wins-cpac-vice-president-poll-topping-desantis-haley/nk (bb1548) — 3/5/2023 @ 6:53 pm
@159 A better song and more accurate “He’s in the jail house now!”asset (e10d87) — 3/5/2023 @ 8:10 pm
@180 the pedo picture with desatan at drinking orgy with under age girls when he was their high school teacher should do the trick. Trump had picture on truth social.asset (e10d87) — 3/5/2023 @ 8:23 pm
Well, so much for that Clown Confederacy.
There’s an argument that Trump/Lake is better than Biden/Harris. Not a strong one mind you, but it really should not be close.
Out of 330 million people….Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/5/2023 @ 9:40 pm
There’s an argument that Trump/Lake is better than Biden/Harris.
Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/5/2023 @ 9:40 pm
You spelled crazier wrong.norcal (7345e5) — 3/5/2023 @ 9:54 pm
There’s an argument the moon landing was staged.lurker (cd7cd4) — 3/5/2023 @ 10:14 pm
Fauci needs to be put under oath with penalty of perjury. Want to bet he pulls the “I cannot recall” or pleads the 5th?NJRob (eb56c3) — 3/6/2023 @ 5:12 am
More leftist terrorism. How much will be ignored. How light will the penalties be if anyone is found.NJRob (eb56c3) — 3/6/2023 @ 5:18 am
At present, Fulton County Georgia has the best chance of indicting Trump for something Janaury 6 related. The local Trump fans (including the Trumpy Lt Governor) have noticed and are hoping to do something about it.
Keep your eye on this one. But understand that the bill that gets widely reported is probably not going to be what the governor actually signs.Appalled (17324d) — 3/6/2023 @ 6:49 am
405. Well this is interesting, I;d like to have links to Fauci (falsely) claiming that he had nothing to do with the paper (and that that statement was false) and that he was niot acquainted with the authors, to see if that was so, (did he make those claims?)Sammy Finkelman (35fa6f) — 3/6/2023 @ 9:11 am
Despite Kevin M’s presumption to answer for me, right now I would support Sununu, but he (and any other non-Trump or non-DeSantis candidate) will make it to the California primary.
I really don’t have strong opinions about DeSantis, except his nanny statism.Rip Murdock (a0d2e4) — 3/6/2023 @ 9:39 am
Sununu, but he (and any other non-Trump or non-DeSantis candidate) will not make it to the California primary.Rip Murdock (a0d2e4) — 3/6/2023 @ 9:42 am
More on why you should read that essay on the 1619 Project, that I linked to, earlier.
The College Fix piece, by Kate Hardiman, provides — for those with open minds — evidence that Thornett has reason to be concerned, about what is now often being omitted from the teaching of history in our high schools and colleges — anything positive about the United States.
(It’s a minor point, but Hardiman describes Pesta as an English professor, not a history professor.)Jim Miller (f29931) — 3/6/2023 @ 10:44 am
On a very minor point: Are frog legs food for rich people, or poor people? In the United States, both. Some one who knows about who eats what in the United States would know that. But I wouldn’t expect a follower of Putin to know that.
(Full disclosure: The one time I had frog legs they came from frogs gigged by a brother-in-law, who was definitely not rich at the time. As I recall, they weren’t bad, but not exceptional, either.)Jim Miller (f29931) — 3/6/2023 @ 10:53 am
The Economist magazine describes Putin’s policies as a “nightmare”, and a tragedy, for Russia:
You can understand, given those numbers, why Putin is stealing Ukrainian children.Jim Miller (f29931) — 3/6/2023 @ 11:00 am
Thousands of pro-Trump bots are attacking DeSantis, HaleyKevin M (1ea396) — 3/6/2023 @ 11:07 am
He just did.
He didn’t know that he was going to do it before now – he had not been paying any attention to the bill. It wasn’t a practical question, It needed at least one Dem vote (and it got a commitment – Manchin) to pass the Senate.
The default is to side with Democrats in Congress.
What Biden announced was that he would not veto the bill overriding the DC crime law.
Biden is allied with New York mayor Erric Adams n the crime issue.Sammy Finkelman (4d095d) — 3/6/2023 @ 11:11 am
On a very minor point: Are frog legs food for rich people, or poor people?
Are they on the menu of fast food restaurants in Utah; that’s the tell.DCSCA (3f00c7) — 3/6/2023 @ 11:12 am
NJRob (eb56c3) — 3/6/2023 @ 5:12 am
Fauci lied, and Trump told the truth.
Most here won’t care, cuz if they did their heads would explode.JF (f62025) — 3/6/2023 @ 12:41 pm
Take a look at Sammy’s 208. That NY Post article was intriguing but hardly determinative of much of anything.Appalled (0cd787) — 3/6/2023 @ 1:20 pm
JF (f62025) — 3/6/2023 @ 12:41 pm
Not a problem, but I’d like to verify that Fauci lied about his non-involvement in the scientific paper.
The folllowing from the New York Post is not a lie:
Well, maybe to implicitly claim they were impartial could be described as a lie, but a denial of involvment must come from elsewhere
And Trump can’t ever tell the whole truth – he’ll throw in a lie or an exaggeration. Where is the truth that Trump told?
Trump did tell the truth about having been told the coronavirus would not be a problem Bob Woodward tried to make him out to be a liar.Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 3/6/2023 @ 1:26 pm
New York Mayor Eric Adams cited Esther 4:14 as applying to himself.
That’s why he became mayor he says. (and then he segued into homelessness. Well, homelessness is caused by the fact that it costs too much to build because all of over the United States it is the policy to keep up the price of housing)
But he doesn’t have the courage to split with the Democrats (on crime) – it’s just to influence Biden and some others. It’d not going to be enough.Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 3/6/2023 @ 1:31 pm
After about 1835, it was. It was called a peculiar institution. So reading about the ante-bellum period will not readily get you any mention of slavery elsewhere and earlier.
Now it did exist in Moslem countries mainly and was tied to religion.
It had survived in Islamic countries and contaminated the Atlantic seafaring countries – in their colonies at least.Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 3/6/2023 @ 1:36 pm
178. DCSCA (eb9ac0) — 3/5/2023 @ 1:47 pm Would like to hear opinions on how Republicans expect to “win” the next POTUS cycle w/o MAGA supporters. Like Nixon did in 1968. He won the votes of Goldwater supporter without endorsing what they believed.
The problem with MAGA people is they think they won and should control the party.
And that many people do not trust anybody who doesn’t say out lous that Trump is lying about the election.Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 3/6/2023 @ 1:43 pm
Here is a good example:
“Tiny” Toese was found guilty of two counts of second-degree assault, two counts of third-degree assault, two counts of unlawful use of a weapon, two counts of rioting, and two counts of first-degree criminal mischief. He was acquitted of one count of second degree assault.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/6/2023 @ 1:43 pm
That’s going to be hard with many people still believing it. Obama’s DOJ said this was not true, but he buried the news.Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 3/6/2023 @ 1:45 pm
Bloggers lobby the public more than they do legislators.Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 3/6/2023 @ 1:46 pm
RIP Garry Rossington (71). Founding and last surviving original member of Lynryd Skynyrd.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/6/2023 @ 1:49 pm
#221 Sammy, please read this time line, starting in 1834.
(For the record: By 1834, slavery ahd been abolished in most of the United States.)Jim Miller (f29931) — 3/6/2023 @ 2:57 pm
Even the leftwing media is starting to get on board with the obvious that Fauci lied and covered up his lies.NJRob (b8f687) — 3/6/2023 @ 3:02 pm
Just to be specific, what do you believe Fauci lied about? And do you believe he is guilty of something criminal? Is Fauci’s lies more significant than Trump’s lies about the election?AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 3/6/2023 @ 3:08 pm
Questions and responses at link.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/6/2023 @ 3:26 pm
Fauci lied, and Trump told the truth.
Most here won’t care, cuz if they did their heads would explode.
JF (f62025) — 3/6/2023 @ 12:41 pm
Do you really believe that? If you do, I would suggest that you’re projecting your own tribalistic thinking onto most of the people here.norcal (7345e5) — 3/6/2023 @ 3:31 pm
Nearly 7 out of 10 voters (69 percent) think California is doing too little to help homeless people, while 14 percent think it is doing too much and 11 percent think California is doing about the right amount to help homeless people.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/6/2023 @ 3:26 pm
I wonder what percent would be okay with their taxes being raised to “help” homeless people. I’m guessing something less than 69%.norcal (7345e5) — 3/6/2023 @ 3:36 pm
You’re trying to distract from Fauci’s lies and change the topic. No thanks. Not playing.NJRob (eb56c3) — 3/6/2023 @ 4:04 pm
Trump’s lies come so thick and fast, you forget the one he told fifteen minutes ago because there have been fourteen more since.nk (bb1548) — 3/6/2023 @ 4:06 pm
No doubt they are-between 2018 and 2021 the State has spent $10 billion on the homeless crisis, 55% of that on housing, yet the problem continues to grow. In the draft state budget there is another $5 billion. But the fact is that cities smaller than Los Angeles, Long Beach, or San Francisco don’t want to the spend the money (or change zoning laws) to develop affordable housing. They would rather ship their problems to other cities (which they have done).Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/6/2023 @ 4:14 pm
A target rich environment.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/6/2023 @ 4:16 pm
On the lam:
Olivia Pollack, Jonathan Pollack, and Joseph Hutchinson (and others) are part of an indictment for:
IndictmentRip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/6/2023 @ 4:28 pm
@234, Rob you frequently complain that topics you think are important don’t get discussed here. But in this case AJ is asking you to expand on your claim about fauci lying and asked if you think he committed crimes yet you dismiss his question. Weird.Time123 (c33a8f) — 3/6/2023 @ 4:37 pm
Rip, interesting link on Christian nationalism. Thank you.Time123 (c33a8f) — 3/6/2023 @ 4:38 pm
I have no interest in turning the discussion into Trump did this or Trump did that. The relevant information coming out is about Fauci and the way he got others to lie, used those lies to support his big lie and then funded those who lied for him.
Thanks for playing.NJRob (eb56c3) — 3/6/2023 @ 4:46 pm
Keeping it classy:Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/6/2023 @ 4:50 pm
Yet if he was one of the millions of illegal aliens that Biden has welcomed to invade our country, there wouldn’t be an issue…NJRob (eb56c3) — 3/6/2023 @ 5:01 pm
Trump himself has said that Ronny Jackson has the hots for him. “He couldn’t take his eyes off my strong and powerful body”, Trump said. So we can’t expect Jackson to have anything good to say about the man who crushed his crush.nk (bb1548) — 3/6/2023 @ 5:08 pm
So Djokovic is an anti-vaxxer. I didn’t know that. I had thought that the Australian kerfuffle last year was a failure of communication.
And his father is pro-Putin. It’s just as well that he wasn’t allowed in. America First!nk (bb1548) — 3/6/2023 @ 5:23 pm
I wonder what percent would be okay with their taxes being raised to “help” homeless people. I’m guessing something less than 69%.
Possibly, but they’d be OK with YOUR taxes being raised to help the homeless.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/6/2023 @ 5:37 pm
Fauci lied, and Trump told the truth.
Fauci may well have lied, but if Trump told the truth it was by accident.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/6/2023 @ 5:38 pm
Be proud, all of you supporters of the Jan-6 lies!
Sunlight is the Great Disinfectant.Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/6/2023 @ 5:55 pm
The thing about lying is that it’s contagious:nk (bb1548) — 3/6/2023 @ 6:28 pm
Georgia rethugliKKKans just passed law that they can fire any prosecutor who investigates trump or them! Gov. wii sign into law.asset (ca558d) — 3/6/2023 @ 6:57 pm
With asset, lying is second nature. No, asset they did not.nk (bb1548) — 3/6/2023 @ 7:16 pm
See here: https://www.ajc.com/politics/politics-blog/the-jolt-trump-attacks-fani-willis-as-he-pushes-georgia-prosecutor-bills/RJ2JZS2TV5F25PLP22CXTQOOSQ/
And here: https://apnews.com/article/brian-p-kemp-georgia-state-government-crime-45f176f9ea57a3cc02ea1805b94905c0
Asset gets his information from DU and other twisted places. It’s much like others who think Gateway Pundit is a quotable source.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/6/2023 @ 7:26 pm
Castro did this first:
Xi blames USA for constricting China’s economyKevin M (1ea396) — 3/6/2023 @ 7:30 pm
the chicoms must be well aware by now that they can kill millions and influence an election by releasing a deadly pathogen, and there will be American government officials, politicians, journalists, tech giants, media members and commenters in blogs who will help them cover their tracksJF (cf111d) — 3/6/2023 @ 7:32 pm
More on China’s perfidy in a brand-new post I just put up.JVW (1ad43e) — 3/6/2023 @ 7:50 pm
AJ’s first two questions were specifically about Fauci, Rob, which were…
If you’re going to make the assertion, at least be man enough to answer a couple questions.Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/6/2023 @ 8:01 pm
Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/6/2023 @ 8:01 pm
I mean, for starters it’s in the first three paragraphs of NJRob’s link, which you weren’t man enough to read.
Won’t paste it for you. Be a man and read the whole thing, Montagu.JF (cf111d) — 3/6/2023 @ 8:17 pm
@252 NYT article The new laws could be used to remove prosecutor investigating trump or legislators. It does other things ;but can be used for this.asset (ca558d) — 3/6/2023 @ 9:07 pm
I read it, JF. If Fauci wrongly believed that the virus didn’t leak from the lab, then it means he was wrong, not necessarily a liar. This is akin to the “Bush lied, people died” mantra that the Left employed after the Iraq invasion. By all accounts, the White House believed that Saddam had WMDs. Bush’s own CIA Director said it was a “slam dunk”.
The other part of the question, whether the virus was genetically manipulated and a potential bioweapon, the WSJ reported this…
But maybe Rob should answer the questions put to him instead of you running interference.Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/6/2023 @ 9:12 pm
Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/6/2023 @ 9:12 pm
LOL that wasn’t the lie.
You weren’t man enough to read the link.JF (cf111d) — 3/6/2023 @ 9:22 pm
Point out the lie, JF.Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/6/2023 @ 9:43 pm
@259 by all accounts? See the movie fair game. Scooter libby said 1% chance is good enough the other 99% who cares. Remember what amb. wilson wrote “what I did not find in niger”. Bush and cheney and all the presidents men lied ( I think a movie with that title exists ) people died. Their is plenty more evidence like aluminum tubes lies. They wanted to go to war with iraq evidence to the contrary be damned! On 9-11 they wanted to attack iraq the national security advisor said no mr. president it was bin ladin in afganistan. Rumsfeld said There are no good targets in afganistan!asset (ca558d) — 3/6/2023 @ 9:50 pm
The Democrat-led Senate went through the whole thing in their and, on most points, the assertions were “generally substantiated by the intelligence”.Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/6/2023 @ 10:04 pm
@263 Most democrats in senate voted for the war. “Most” “Generally” weasel words. They don’t want to be primaried over the war. It cost Hillary Clinton the nomination in 2008 and the presidency in 2016. Kerry in 2004. To bad it didn’t cost biden in 2020. I gave two examples that were known lies at the time their are more. His code name was cureball for a reason. Would you please give the points and assertions that were substantiated by intelligence. Please. Colin Powell later said he tried to be a good soldier and knew their was no real intelligence.asset (ca558d) — 3/6/2023 @ 10:36 pm
I mean, for starters it’s in the first three paragraphs of NJRob’s link, which you weren’t man enough to read.
Let me explain something: Links are for backup, not for the story itself. If you expect people to follow links to some other place, offered by someone who won’t say what it’s about and whom one generally disagrees with, you are going to be forever disappointed.
Just posting the link is lazy and puts the work on other people. Don’t be surprised when they don’t jump through your hoops.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 12:33 am
You weren’t man enough to read the link.
Someone wasn’t man enough to cut and paste from the link.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 12:34 am
@252 NYT article The new laws could be used to remove prosecutor investigating trump or legislators. It does other things ;but can be used for this.
If that’s the NYT’s takeaway then whoever wrote that is an idiot.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 12:35 am
“Glory to Ukraine”Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 12:57 am
“J6 is going to fall apart just like the Sicknick blood libel and Russian collusion.”Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/7/2023 @ 5:31 am
“Things the red states knew years ago; things the blue states are just now being allowed to know:Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/7/2023 @ 5:39 am
Russia, Russia was a deep state conspiracy against Trump.
J6 was not a violent riot
Covid came from a lab in Wuhan
Lockdowns and masks do not make us safer
Hunter Biden’s laptop shows corruption in the Biden family.
John Fetterman was too unwell undertake a campaign and this was obvious when he ran.”
The first time Lyin’ Don Jon Tr’mp said “Chinese virus” was on March 16, 2020. On February 1, 2020 when his underling and front-man Anthony Fauci did whatever he did, the mandarin orange was still negotiating beautiful trade deals with China.nk (bb1548) — 3/7/2023 @ 5:40 am
I think the Covid origin investigation is important because it has implications on how best to avoid the next pandemic. However, an authoritarian regime like China gives us little hope that we will have a definitive answer, as they will obfuscate and point fingers to avoid any accountability. If it was in fact man-made, we will then also not know if there was any intentionality in its release. So at this point, we probably have to push forward with both greater care with human/animal interactions and insisting on greater care at research facilities through international organizations.
We need to anticipate future outbreaks better, have a good stockpile of PPE, and get the best protocols in place understanding situations and data are dynamic. We also need to understand that there will always be some contrarians that will disagree with those protocols and there will always be people who will take advantage of the uncertainty for financial benefit.
Our best and brightest scientists and data analysts should objectively craft policy options that our leaders apply cost/benefit analyses to and openly report to the people. We need to recognize that there will always be the temptation to politicize the science.
People love scapegoats, especially when problems are hard and costs are high. People also love to market conspiracies because it takes it out of the realm of science, which few are truly qualified to assess, into the realm of human behavior where everyone can have an opinion….and do. Should I care if a politician guessed early about the origin and trumpeted that opinion about? I’m not sure why, except for its irresponsibility when it is premature and not fact based. I want grown-ups in charge. That should be what the 2024 campaign ought to be about.AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 3/7/2023 @ 5:50 am
In NJ the law protects criminals and not victims. These laws were passed by leftist legislators. But keep pretending to be above it all.NJRob (eb56c3) — 3/7/2023 @ 5:59 am
if you couldn’t figure out what the link was about from the title or you are so sheltered that you haven’t seen the issue posted elsewhere, then you’re in a leftist bubble.NJRob (eb56c3) — 3/7/2023 @ 6:03 am
Fair trial or show trial?NJRob (eb56c3) — 3/7/2023 @ 6:15 am
Fair trial or show trial?
NJRob (eb56c3) — 3/7/2023 @ 6:15 am
I think we should’ve waited for the J6 committee to do the reveal on this LOLJF (cf111d) — 3/7/2023 @ 6:19 am
Except that there was not just one shaman and several cops guiding him. There was one shaman and a whole bunch of other insurrectionists and just a couple or three cops keeping an eye on them.
Can you say “deceptively edited”?nk (bb1548) — 3/7/2023 @ 6:32 am
How about “Faux News”?
How about “lying sacks of sh!t throwing red meat to morons for fun and profit”?
Here’s a summary, asset, and Hiatt gave a fair reading of the report, which I read in detail 15 years ago, and I’ve no interest in re-litigating 15-20 year old arguments.Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/7/2023 @ 6:41 am
you’re really good at name calling lately. Where are the substantial arguments you used to have?NJRob (eb56c3) — 3/7/2023 @ 6:44 am
I’m not so charitable as you.
As a public heath official, one defining characteristic we should demand is that they adapt the policies as the understanding changes over time.
The health officials, namely Fauci, failed miserably.
But, for Fauci, this smacks of a massive CYA to create distance for him and NIH from the gain-of-function research, rather than some good faith recommendations with the information at hand.
So, in short, yeah I’d argue that Fauci lied to cover is ass and it’s obvious to anyone who’s taken the time to review the evidence and the timeline.whembly (d116f3) — 3/7/2023 @ 6:47 am
So, no actual pointing out the lie, just the same “Bush lied, people lied” mentality, only this time applied by Trumpists. That horseshoe shaped political spectrum again rears that ugly head.Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/7/2023 @ 6:47 am
BTW, Mr. Chansley pled guilty to obstructing a proceeding of Congress and was sentenced to 41 months in prison. He was already a criminal, rioter and lawbreaker when Carlson showed that footage.Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/7/2023 @ 6:50 am
Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/7/2023 @ 6:47 am
yeah, it’s just like that Montagu LOL
I won’t paste Rob’s link, since you refuse to read it
Here’s a different link to pierce your bubble:
MEGHAN MCCAIN: Surely even the lapdog media can’t ignore bombshell evidence Saint Anthony lied to America about COVID’s origins. Haul Fauci before Congress and demand answers!JF (cf111d) — 3/7/2023 @ 6:56 am
nk (bb1548) — 3/7/2023 @ 6:32 am
“we used to be friends here” LOLJF (cf111d) — 3/7/2023 @ 6:59 am
Can you say “I didn’t watch the video for fear of confronting my previously held belief”?
Whatever you may think of J6, or FoxNews, or Tucker… put that in your back pocket and simply watch the video Tucker presented.
The J6 narrative of the day really doesn’t align with what was shown on the video.
OR – I can concede your premise. Okay, lets say all of that is true.
Then please explain the part the Capital Police was literally escorting Chancley all over the place peacefully. Not in handcuff or in obvious restricted “under arrest”. Because the video looked like it was BEFORE Chancley was able to access the Senate podium in that famous photo shot we’ve seen since J6. (if it was after, then yes it’s an out of sequence edit. If that’s your argument, what’s your evidence?).
This looks more of that naked opportunism by Democrats and anti-Trump/MAGA to stretch the truth into falsehoods.
Which is sad, because its going to feed into the mindset that Democrats and anti-Trump/MAGA are unfairly abusing Government powers, rather than some honest depiction of the events that occurred and honest accountability.
I don’t think folks on both sides of this event is ever going to reconcile.
I’m to the point that the next GOP Potus simply needs to issue a blanket pardon to BOTH the J6ers and a pardon for government officials from future abuse of power lawsuits, simply to get this country to move on.whembly (d116f3) — 3/7/2023 @ 7:02 am
you’re really good at name calling lately. Where are the substantial arguments you used to have?
In this particular instance, in the four lines above the name-calling.
And I’ll tell you something else — for MAGA to complain about name-calling is for Z Nation to complain about bad table manners.nk (bb1548) — 3/7/2023 @ 7:09 am
Agreed whembly.NJRob (eb56c3) — 3/7/2023 @ 7:10 am
There’s a CBS television show that is set in Portland, Oregon – in an alternate universe (So Help Me Todd – Thursdays at 9 pm Eastern)Sammy Finkelman (4d095d) — 3/7/2023 @ 7:13 am
Keep in mind that Chansely didn’t go to trial.
He was facing the entire might of the DOJ, totally animated to maximize the conviction. People take the plea deals all the time to avoid the unknowns of a trial. It’s easy to see why someone in Chansley position woudn’t think they’d get a better outcome when faced with the DOJ, unfavorable jury pool, and unfavorably daily drum-beat of the media.
But, that doesn’t mean we cannot question the events.whembly (d116f3) — 3/7/2023 @ 7:24 am
whembly, Fauci’s role in gain of function is not so clear-cut, but he didn’t do any favors for himself by his eagerness to appear on camera, along with his flip-flop on masks in early April 2020 and his comments later in 2020 about what percentage of the population achieved herd immunity, and so forth. Trump would’ve been much better recruiting a Republican like Scott Gottlieb to speak for his administration.
Most of Fauci’s comments were on the side of caution, excessively so in some cases, but at the same time, it was called a novel coronavirus for a reason, and the scientific community was trying to figure it out. Also this, it was a political environmental where Fauci’s boss lied about the seriousness of the virus and downtalked its seriousness, who jumped on one unproven remedy after another, and totally botched testing in the critical early stages, so talk about mixed messaging. There’s a reason why the US is 13th worst on earth in deaths per million (not counting countries fewer than 1 million), and it’s the same reason why a doddering basement-dwelling Democrat beat him.Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/7/2023 @ 7:31 am
I trust that his lawyer knew what he was doing, whembly. The visual evidence that he was illegally inside the Capitol Building during an historic riot is incontrovertible, and he was already criminally inside the building when encountering law enforcement. This was no “tourist”, as Carlson was trying to spin it.Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/7/2023 @ 7:42 am
I don’t care about Trump.
I care about Fauci’s own behavior and I’m more in the camp that he mislead in a CYA than being just “wrong” on this issue.
Fauci also has power over funding grants to the same researchers who wrote those papers. His position gave him outsized influence, such that it may not show up in black and white text to be FOIA’ed, but it’s obvious here that there’s a power dynamic here that Fauci could leverage to his desired outcome.whembly (d116f3) — 3/7/2023 @ 7:48 am
Keep in mind that Chansley was not charged on the basis of the Carlton clip. He was charged on the totality of the evidence. Every bit of it available to him and his attorneys and to the court.nk (bb1548) — 3/7/2023 @ 7:50 am
“BTW, Mr. Chansley pled guilty to obstructing a proceeding of Congress and was sentenced to 41 months in prison. He was already a criminal, rioter and lawbreaker when Carlson showed that footage.”
“The most disturbing thing revealed by these video disclosures is not seen in the footage, but in the willingness — indeed, the zealotry — of entire federal machinery, including the judiciary, to railroad Chansley and others.”Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/7/2023 @ 7:52 am
Irrelevent. Defense lawyers get/does thing wrong all the time.
So far, I see Chansley liable for criminal trespass.
If you want to argue that his actions amounted to obstruct of congress, I’ll concede to that, but I think it’s a bs application. It would be applicable for someone who tried/or did bomb Congress or tried to shoot up the place.
But a “historic riot” that amounted to an “insurrection”? Yeah, not buying it.
But, again, you haven’t adequately acknowledge the strangest thing in that Tucker video: Why was he seemingly be escorted by the policy in “touristy” manner?
Do you not find that odd at all?whembly (d116f3) — 3/7/2023 @ 7:54 am
We don’t know what was the evidence.
Nor do we know if the DOJ even got ALL of the video evidence from Congress…right? Do we know that for sure???whembly (d116f3) — 3/7/2023 @ 7:55 am
“Apparently, if Buffalo Shaman had had enough money to pay lawyers to look through the 16,000 hours of tape, he could have found that footage himself, since he did have a right to discovery, but the prosecutors didn’t offer this evidence to him as potentially exculpatory, and he didn’t have the money to pay to have the footage combed through.”
When I read lawyers excusing this crap… wtf is wrong with these people!?!?Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/7/2023 @ 7:59 am
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1633021151197954048?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1633021151197954048%7Ctwgr%5E04f3b699358d9c2a51ffe85e20f0e9dd79f9166c%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thegatewaypundit.com%2F2023%2F03%2Felon-musk-blasts-january-6th-committee-for-misleading-the-public-deeply-wrong%2FColonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/7/2023 @ 8:08 am
“Now let us step back from this construct for a moment. With 40,000 hours of footage, did the Democrat Progressive Liberals really think they could keep it locked up in secret, forever?
Of course they didn’t. They are the ultimate, cynical pragmatists. They knew it would eventually coming into the sunlight, and the trick was to manage the glide path to ‘eventually’.
You’ll notice that there is protest, but not scorched earth protest. This is token resistance. The ploy has served its purpose.
You see what you can accomplish when the captured Press is not only your ally, but also your pet? The other thing to notice: It is possible to make enough noise to disrupt that controlled-crash glide path. Imagine what would have happened if this video had been released a year ago.”Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/7/2023 @ 8:11 am
I already addressed the issue McCain raised, JF. Wait, so you like McCain now? Basically, Fauci is guilty of the same stovepiping that VP Cheney was involved in, hence my Iraq War comment.Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/7/2023 @ 8:21 am
I don’t really care that the footage was released, but I do care that it was exclusively put in the hands of a partisan who’s tried to sanitize and whitewash the mob violence since the day it happened.Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/7/2023 @ 8:27 am
We don’t know what was the evidence.
It is not “our” province to know
Nor do we know if the DOJ even got ALL of the video evidence from Congress…right? Do we know that for sure???
Same answer. Who cares what we know? We are neither the judge nor jury. And there other kinds of evidence besides video. Like witnesses, for instance.
I guarantee you one thing: All the video, exculpatory or not, that the government was going to use in court had to be turned over to the defense. In advance. And a list of all the witnesses the government was going to call, and any record of any statements of those witnesses in the prosecution’s possession.nk (bb1548) — 3/7/2023 @ 8:29 am
Yeah, fair enough.
I care, because it’s not clear to me that Congress released all the videos to DOJ, and thus to Defendant. If the Democrats tactically release the most unflattering videos to the DOJ, then the DOJ is going to have what it has, and then the defense. There’s no recourse for Denfense (nor DOJ) to go back to Congress and force them to turn over ALL of the videos…right? (some separation of powers argument??)
Question for you about exculpatory evidence. The DOJ/prosecution isn’t required nor obligated to find any… right? They would be compliance with Brady if they gave access to the defense all of the videos DOJ has…right? Then, its up to the defense to find and advance the exculpatory premise. Right?whembly (d116f3) — 3/7/2023 @ 8:38 am
IF that’s how you feel, then you should be mad at Pelosi kicking off the McCarthy-picked GOPers for the J6 committee and installing NeverTrumper GOPers.
The J6 Committee never cared about discovering what actually happened.
Anyone who ever believed otherwise is hopelessly gullible.whembly (d116f3) — 3/7/2023 @ 8:40 am
Partisans gonna partisan.NJRob (857496) — 3/7/2023 @ 8:42 am
The other sickening thing that came out, is that not only did Democrats/J6 committee have access to these video records from the get go, the records show that they viewed the video of Sicknick obviously alive on J6, so they knew the claims of his murder were a blatant lie. And they continued to peddle those lies anyway.
It was all about maintaining their preferred partisan narrative.whembly (d116f3) — 3/7/2023 @ 8:43 am
Since we know from the information produced in the Dominion suite that Tucker will knowingly lie to his audience I’m not sure why anyone is paying attention to what he’s releasing.
It’s propaganda for the crowd that to this day doesn’t care that hundreds of Trump supporters violently attacked the police and took control of the US capital in hopes of preventing the peaceful transfer of power to the lawful winner of the election.
This gives people like that some fuel to pretend that this didn’t happen or that their side isn’t being treated fairly enough, despite the many many plea barging for trespassing that have generously been given out. Despite the fact that most defendants (rightfully) got bail and fair release terms.
There’s little point in worrying about convincing people who are only motivated to find an excuse to justify what happened so their ‘tribe’ doesn’t have to acknowledge what happened.
I saw the comment up thread about pardons. I could get behind that if not for the fact that Trump, and his supporters continue to lie about the election, continue to lie about Jan 6, and continue to place less importance on an attempt to steal the US presidency then they do partisan advantage. So long as that’s the case I see little reasons to move on.Time123 (10316a) — 3/7/2023 @ 8:46 am
She knew this was a lie.
Spare me how she’s the model Republican others should aspire to.whembly (d116f3) — 3/7/2023 @ 8:47 am
Cool. The acrimony and demagoguery will continue until the moral improves or we tear each other apart.whembly (d116f3) — 3/7/2023 @ 8:49 am
I haven’t ruled out (or in) any of the suspects who sabotaged the Nord pipeline, but I thought it unlikely that Ukrainians had the capacity to do it, although they certainly had motive. Now it’s looking likely.
The reporting is one or two steps up from Sy Hersh, who had only a single anonymous source to spin his yarn. The NYT had multiple anonymous sources, identified as “intelligence officials”. To me, it sounds implausible that no one in the UKR government had no knowledge of the op, or that UKR doesn’t have its own version of Navy SEALS that would work off the books.Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/7/2023 @ 8:49 am
Whembly, with all due respect, you’re taking a public statement from Jan 8 and asserting that the speaker knew things that weren’t known until much later.
You’re usually better then this.Time123 (10316a) — 3/7/2023 @ 8:49 am
Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/3/2023 @ 6:00 pm
I think they have to be in the public domain – that is originally printed before the mis-1920s. They are sometimes sold printed.Sammy Finkelman (4d095d) — 3/7/2023 @ 8:50 am
@310 Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/7/2023 @ 8:49 am
I think it’s more likely that UKR (or even western nations) paid for mercenaries, likely former seals or similarly trained, to blow up the pipeline than anything else.whembly (d116f3) — 3/7/2023 @ 8:51 am
@309, What common cause can I find with a group of people that wants to throw out the US constitution and maintain power through lies and violence
I understand that you don’t want to see justice done because if it will impact the GOP’s electoral success. You’ve been clear in other threads that the GOP should’ve investigate Jan 6 for that reason.
My opinion is that maintaining our system of government and our constitution is more important that other policy concerns.Time123 (10316a) — 3/7/2023 @ 8:52 am
Time123, what exactly are you referring to? What am I asserting that the speaker knew?whembly (d116f3) — 3/7/2023 @ 8:53 am
*shouldn’tTime123 (10316a) — 3/7/2023 @ 8:53 am
Yikes, I’m seeing the power of propaganda this morning. Partisan infotainment, unconstrained by journalistic ethics or legal rules of evidence, spinning narratives to defend reckless and criminal behavior. It’s a shame.AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 3/7/2023 @ 8:56 am
I’m not asking you to support those groups.
The J6 Committee never cared about discovering what actually happened.
Anyone who ever believed otherwise is hopelessly gullible.
We need a truth and reconciliation commission. Otherwise, it’s just a partisan poo-flinging contest.
I would agree with on the premise. But, you cannot look back at Democrat’s (and some NeverTrumper’s) past behaviors and assert it’s about “maintaining our system of government and our constitution”.whembly (d116f3) — 3/7/2023 @ 8:57 am
You’ve witnessed it since J6.
Where have you been?whembly (d116f3) — 3/7/2023 @ 8:57 am
Why? The two that McCarthy were put on the committee were potential witnesses to the investigation. To this day, we don’t know what was said in the conversations between Jim Jordan and Trump while the Capitol was under siege. Banks and Jordan were two of the 147 GOP fascists who voted to cancel popular elections in one or more states.Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/7/2023 @ 9:00 am
If you want to be angry about something, whembly, be angry that McCarthy and Republicans in the Senate shut down the proposal for a 9/11-style commission, with that canceling most likely under Trump’s orders.
Fauci is supposed to have lied in his Senate testimony in 2021. I think one needs to look very carefully at what he said, because maybe it wasn’t an outright lie and they may also be mixing things up. Fauci had a different definition of “gain of function” research than Senator Rand Paul nand that was quite clear.
Fauci did something close to commissioning a scientific paper whose aim was to deny the lab leak theory, but I don’t know that he denied doing so. He cited that as authority but he may not have been put on the spot,Sammy Finkelman (4d095d) — 3/7/2023 @ 9:01 am
The slick lefty Hollyweird producer the J6 committee hired apparently juiced up the video used by that kangaroo klan with shouts and screams to make the footage scary…
We’ll get to hear a Capitol police officer describe his experience tonight.Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/7/2023 @ 9:02 am
How did she? Sicknick died only 9 hours prior to her tweet, and the initial statement from USCP was that he “was injured while physically engaging with protesters. He returned to his division office and collapsed. He was taken to a local hospital where he succumbed to his injuries.”Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/7/2023 @ 9:10 am
Whembly, By calling her statement on Jan 8th a lie you’re asserting that she knew at that time that his death on Jan 7th weren’t caused by the injuries he received on Jan 6.
From what I recall the details of cause of death weren’t known until at least several days after that.Time123 (10316a) — 3/7/2023 @ 9:17 am
The initial plan for the investigation was something like this. The GOP, after having their requests met, refused to participate because they felt it wouldn’t be in their political interests to do so.Time123 (10316a) — 3/7/2023 @ 9:19 am
Those groups are a huge part of the GOP base and congressional leadership.
Everyone who supports Trumps lies about the 2020 election is part of that group.Time123 (10316a) — 3/7/2023 @ 9:22 am
Everyone that’s trying to pretend that Jan 6 didn’t involve hundreds of Trump supporters attacking the capital is part of that group.
Sara Carpenter Statement of Facts (includes screenshots).Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/7/2023 @ 9:31 am
German scientists have discovered compounds that kill harmful fungi in plants and humans. In honor of Reeves’s combat skills, they named the antimicrobials “keanumycins,” according to Sebastian Götze, a co-author of the German study.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 9:37 am
NJRob (eb56c3) — 3/7/2023 @ 6:15 am
You refuse to learn. I am NOT going to jump through your hoops. Have the simple courtesy to others to post a bit from the link if you want us to read it.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 9:38 am
I guarantee you one thing: All the video, exculpatory or not, that the government was going to use in court had to be turned over to the defense. In advance. And a list of all the witnesses the government was going to call, and any record of any statements of those witnesses in the prosecution’s possession.
We’ll see. I’m betting that not all was available at trial, and that only incriminating tidbits were shown to defendants/lawyers prior to plea negotiations. The DoJ will plead ignorance (“We didn’t know everything that was in those recordings”) and/or harmless error.
Even if some defendants succeed on appeal, their lives have been ruined, which was the real object anyway.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 9:48 am
Kevin M, at 73 — you’ve been around here for long enough to remember that there was a loosely affiliated collection of california-focused blogs that this was part of? (The Bear Flag League, if I remember correctly). (That’s how I got here, originally, looking for blogs talking about the first recall).
One of them was run by a southern california lawyer named Justene Adamec. She and I connected on facebook, and while her blog has long been moribund, she is now involved in a company that republishes out of print gay romances.
This is not something I would have predicted in 2003.aphrael (4c4719) — 3/7/2023 @ 9:51 am
I don’t really care that the footage was released, but I do care that it was exclusively put in the hands of a partisan who’s tried to sanitize and whitewash the mob violence since the day it happened.
I don’t care for Tucker either, but this statement of yours is incredibly myopic. The committee was quite partisan itself. The fact that they only showed incriminating parts was whatever the opposite of “whitewash” is.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 9:51 am
One of them was run by a southern california lawyer named Justene Adamec.
Yes, she talked me into starting a blog about then. Probably Patterico, too. Later, I tried to keep calblog.com going but let the domain lapse. Someone else has it now, but there is no actual site.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 9:55 am
btw, aphrael, if that kind of thing interests you, I suggest you look into this.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 9:59 am
Yes and no. They are not allowed to be willfully ignorant or willfully let the police keep things from them.
When I was doing it, I would subpoena the police file. And I still would not be sure that eyewitnesses and eyewitness interviews might not still be on a field card or notebook in the officer’s pocket.
But we’re going far afield. Carlson has brought the case to the MAGA Court of Appeals with only that part of the record that casts Chansley in a good light. It’s reminiscent of Powell’s and Giuliani’s Kraken.nk (bb1548) — 3/7/2023 @ 9:59 am
So the answer was to give FoxNews’ chief carnival barker exclusive access? There were no other options available to McCarthy?
I never denied that the J6 Committee was partisan, Kevin, but it was my party that foreclosed on the setting up of a bipartisan commission, and for partisan reasons.Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/7/2023 @ 9:59 am
I think they have to be in the public domain
You need to get out more.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 10:00 am
I never denied that the J6 Committee was partisan, Kevin, but it was my party that foreclosed on the setting up of a bipartisan commission
Bored now.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 10:01 am
“We don’t have what the speaker has,” said assistant U.S. Attorney Christopher Cook, adding, “In any case, there’s always the possibility some information may be out there.”
Oh my. So the DoJ did not get everything.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 10:03 am
Statement of Facts. Speed (in an unrelated case) is also facing a maximum of ten years for illegally possessing three silencers.
Judge McFadden (a Trump appointee) is the only judge to have outright acquitted a J6 defendant in a bench trial.
Just the kind of guy you want working on the country’s most closely held secrets.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/7/2023 @ 10:05 am
We’ll see. I’m betting that not all was available at trial, and that only incriminating tidbits were shown to defendants/lawyers prior to plea negotiations.
I meant that if the defense does not see them, they don’t get admitted at trial.
And one more thing. About guilty pleas. The judge has to find a factual basis for the plea.nk (bb1548) — 3/7/2023 @ 10:10 am
Oh my. So the DoJ did not get everything.
Who knows all?nk (bb1548) — 3/7/2023 @ 10:15 am
If the government (DOJ) doesn’t have all the footage, defense lawyers will need to subpoena it from either the Capitol Police (who control the cameras) or Speaker McCarthy’s office.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/7/2023 @ 10:21 am
Just the kind of guy you want working on the country’s most closely held secrets.
It would be interesting to see what happens to those who vetted him for his TS clearance. Those investigations are really supposed to be thorough and it doesn’t look like this guy’s political extremism should have been hard to find.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 10:23 am
I meant that if the defense does not see them, they don’t get admitted at trial.
But there may be things the defense doesn’t see that they WANT admitted at trial. This has the makings of a real problem.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 10:34 am
The J6 Committee:
– Lied about how Brian Sicknick died
– Lied about Barry Loudermilk taking rioters on a reconnaissance mission
– Lied about Josh Hawley running away
– Lied about Ray Epps being a credible witness
@Liz_CheneyColonel Haiku (19e1c5) — 3/7/2023 @ 10:34 am
9:25 PM · Mar 6, 2023
“McCarthy was heavily criticized for giving Carlson a preliminary exclusive here. But, in retrospect, I think that it was a shrewd move. I expect that ultimately, the entire cache of videos will be released, and crowd sourced. And at that point, those screaming cherry picking on the part of Carlson should, if they had any morals, eat crow, because it will just look worse. But by doing this this way, McCarthy has guaranteed the biggest possible audience for the video destruction of the 1/6 narrative.”Colonel Haiku (19e1c5) — 3/7/2023 @ 10:37 am
My real problem is all the little fish — victims of a con man — are having their lives destroyed while the con man walks.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 10:39 am
Officers have already testified under oath that after the rioters overwhelmed them and broke into the capital they tied to de-escalate the situation.
Tucker is lying to his audience by omitting that fact.
Just as he’s lied to them by omitting that Chansley admitted that he entered through a door on the senate side that rioters broke open and that he was one of the first 30 rioters to enter.
But Tucker will present him as a peaceful tourist and ignore that in days after the violent assault on Jan 6 he gave interviews to media outlets and stated that “the fact that we had a bunch of traitors in office hunker down, put on gas masks and retreat into their bunker, I consider that a win”
It’s garbage, but the GOP is all about supporting this.Time123 (10316a) — 3/7/2023 @ 10:45 am
Kevin, because the little ppl love the con man and will vigorously attack anyone that wants to hold him accountable. This support of a violent attack on the US capital isn’t fringe. It’s near and dear to the heart of the GOP.Time123 (10316a) — 3/7/2023 @ 10:46 am
What did the J6 committee get wrong factually? I do remember that the GOP promised to put on an alternative presentation of facts about J6. Did they ever? If not, why not? I’m not sure I would call the J6 committee partisan. Yes, they did not go out of their way to excuse Trump’s actions, but the bulk of testimony was from Republicans. Now one can argue that some of it was cherry picked and should have included cross examination to tease out nuance, but I’m still unclear about what major points of fact were actually wrong. If Trump tried to stop the mob and discourage them, then I doubt that the committee would have white washed that. If Trump’s advisors were not in contact with the militia groups that led the charge, then that too should be easy to show. Just saying “no cross examination” doesn’t change much of the evidence that was presented. The GOP controls the House, what did we miss seeing? Was Hawley not continuously running or something…did we miss him courageously facing the mob?AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 3/7/2023 @ 10:51 am
Your emotions are irrelevant, Kevin.Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/7/2023 @ 10:53 am
Bottom line, Pelosi called Trump’s bluff and set up a commission despite his attempts at shutting one down. Was it partisan? Yes. Did it elicit new information? Yes, which made it ultimately worthwhile, IMO, more worthwhile than not.
It would be interesting to see what happens to those who vetted him for his TS clearance….
Probably nothing. The questions about personal beliefs or posts on social media appear not to be asked:
A polygraph is not required for a TS clearance, only for access to Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI) or Special Access Programs (SAP), or intelligence or law enforcement personnel.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/7/2023 @ 11:02 am
348… absolutely drips with sincerity!Colonel Haiku (19e1c5) — 3/7/2023 @ 11:05 am
So the answer was to give FoxNews’ chief carnival barker exclusive access? There were no other options available to McCarthy?
Options? OTOH, the United States Congress had ‘exclusive access’ for two years to these same tapes and chose to reveal to Americans selected, edited elements presented on national television w/t professional aid of a hired ABC News producer through a partisan show committee. So what was the worry– other than to neuter any partisan manipulations. Sunshine is the disinfectant.DCSCA (ff7df7) — 3/7/2023 @ 11:06 am
You have a different definition of “sunshine” which, in McCarthy’s case, was giving one partisan exclusive access to 44,000 hours of tape, than I do, DC.Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/7/2023 @ 11:11 am
Statement of FactsRip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/7/2023 @ 11:13 am
And yet, has she corrected herself? At all?
If so, I must have missed that.whembly (d116f3) — 3/7/2023 @ 11:13 am
@356. If the committee presentations were non-partisan — you have nothing to worry about.
Unless they weren’t. Still, Ashli Babbitt remains unavailable for comment.DCSCA (ff7df7) — 3/7/2023 @ 11:15 am
I would agree if Tucko would post all 14,000 hours (or whatever the number is) unedited for public viewing, but he is engaging in his own “partisan manipulations.”Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/7/2023 @ 11:16 am
This. Right here. All of it.
Except for those who absolutely was shown to have participated in the riot phase (assaulting officers, breaking windows, and the likes)… those should still face consequences.whembly (d116f3) — 3/7/2023 @ 11:17 am
It’s garbage, but the GOP is all about supporting this.
“Mostly peaceful” wasn’t invented here.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 11:22 am
Your emotions are irrelevant, Kevin.
Being bored is not an emotion. I’m pretty sure on this point.
The problem is that you are rehashing a lame justification that was boring a year ago.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 11:23 am
@360. Congress certainly could have done that– at taxpayer expense, but chose not to for multiple if not typical government excuses. Perhaps NewsCorp will, at their own expense, but if there’s thousands of hours of empty corridor footage or a few people going to the rest room it wouldn’t be cost-effective.DCSCA (ff7df7) — 3/7/2023 @ 11:25 am
Idiots No. 2:
Carnell and Bowman Statement of FactsRip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/7/2023 @ 11:26 am
This. Right here. All of it.
It’s always the pawns that suffer. The [c]rooks not so much.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 11:29 am
I read the leftist lawyer who threw a molotov cocktail at a police van full of cops during the nationwide BLM/Antifa race riots was sentenced to fifteen months in prison.
The Buffalo Horned Shaman got forty one months. Did the SOBs really keep him in solitary confinement until he pled guilty?
Seems like folks would be well-advised to register as a Democrat before protesting.Colonel Haiku (19e1c5) — 3/7/2023 @ 11:29 am
I have to nothing to worry about even if they were partisan, DC, which they were, even if pretty much all the witnesses were Republicans and Trump supporters, which they were. The committee’s entire body of work was passed along to the weak-named Special Counsel, who is taking it from there.
That’s moving the goalposts, whembly. You accused Cheney of lying for something that she tweeted only 9 hours after Sicknick’s death, when the only information out there was a statement from the Capitol Police.Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/7/2023 @ 11:31 am
but chose not to for multiple if not typical government excuses
“Privacy!”Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 11:31 am
Seems like folks would be well-advised to register as a Democrat before protesting.
Or be under 18.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 11:32 am
Bored: feeling weary because one is unoccupied or lacks interest in one’s current activity.Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/7/2023 @ 11:33 am
–Oxford Dictionary, because words have meaning
No. It’s not.
She hasn’t corrected herself. No doing so is lying by omission.
She perpetuated a lie, that Democrats/J6 committee continually blame Sicknick’s death.whembly (d116f3) — 3/7/2023 @ 11:35 am
feeling != emotionKevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 11:35 am
Unless you consider pain to be an emotion.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 11:36 am
@Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/7/2023 @ 11:31 am
Happy to be wrong if Cheney did correct herself, but my google-fu is failing me.
Do you have a correction?whembly (d116f3) — 3/7/2023 @ 11:37 am
Gigi Sohn, net neutrality advocate and public-interest (gah!) lawyer, withdraws FCC nomination
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/03/07/gigi-sohn-withdraws-fcc-nomination/Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 11:37 am
No, and my point stands.Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/7/2023 @ 11:42 am
@377 So you’re okay with Cheney perpetuating a mistaken assertion, that contributed to the rhetoric of the day?
No. You don’t have a point. You just don’t want to address my point. Which is, Cheney made a statement, a very EXPLOSIVE one, that turned out to be wrong and she hasn’t, to this day, corrected it nor worked to correct her Democrat colleagues for repeating that false assertion after it was know that it wasn’t true.whembly (d116f3) — 3/7/2023 @ 11:46 am
Whembly, so we’re agreed your comment should be “Chaney expressed condolences for a police officer she believed at the time had died from injuries sustained from Jan 6 rioters and hasn’t publicly corrected her statement to show that those injuries were at most a contributing factor.”
I agree that she should update her tweet (even though people often fail to correct mistakes made on twitter) but I don’t think her mistake is close to knowingly lying about what happened.Time123 (10316a) — 3/7/2023 @ 11:50 am
BTW, it is a lie if folks say after 4/19/2021 (at the latest) that Sicknick was killed/murdered by rioters, because it was on that day when the DC Medical Examiner publicly concluded that he died of a stroke. He also said that “all that transpired played a role in his condition,” which is fairly generic but it’s not out of line to say that his blood pressure was elevated while in combat with rioters.Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/7/2023 @ 11:54 am
California, in the midst of a drought, fears widespread flooding.
If this was Texas it would be called mismanagement.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 12:02 pm
The Mojave should be littered with “lakes” like Lake Perris, and used for long-term water storage. Those that object due to disrupted ecosystems should consider just how disruptive droughts are to living things.
Doing nothing is often worse than doing something, even though you rarely need a permit for doing nothing.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 12:05 pm
I can’t find where they Jan 6 report references Officer Sicknick, let alone asserts that he was killed by the injuries he received from the rioters.Time123 (10316a) — 3/7/2023 @ 12:06 pm
@362, The Jan 6 protest was mostly peaceful. Of the tens of thousands of trump supporters who showed up only a few hundred violently assaulted the US capital.
My complain is that the GOP is strongly in support of the violent ones, and TrumpTime123 (10316a) — 3/7/2023 @ 12:12 pm
Not sure how much weight ppl give the statements of the police anymore but the Capital Police maintain that officer Sicknicks death was in part caused by the Jan 6 riots.Time123 (3ad720) — 3/7/2023 @ 12:19 pm
I see four groups on J6:
1. Those that remained outside and simply held signs.
2. Those that went inside, doing nothing else.
3. Those that went inside and maybe damaged property and/or entered obviously restricted areas (Senate chambers, congressional offices, etc).
4. Those that assaulted officers whether they went inside or not.
Group 1 should not be charged with anything.
Group 2 should be charged with misdemeanor trespassing, and fined.
Group 3 should be charged with misdemeanors or felonies and jailed for a period of time.
Group 4 should be charges with felony assault and imprisoned.
I’m pretty sure that the next GOP president will pardon group 2 & most of group 3, but not group 4. Hopefully people who did not enter the Capitol are not charged with crimes.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 12:23 pm
I also think that people who trash federal buildings elsewhere should be treated in similar manner.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 12:24 pm
385: If a customer dies of a heart attack during a bank robbery, are the robbers charged with felony murder?Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 12:25 pm
Agreed on your classifications at 386, Kevin, but disagreed on the likely pardons; the next republican president will pardon them all, because they will have spent years blindly referring to all of them as political prisoners, and they’ll be trapped by their own rhetoric.aphrael (4c4719) — 3/7/2023 @ 12:30 pm
You’re still moving the goalposts, whembly, from (paraphrasing) “she lied 9 hours after he died” to “she didn’t correct a tweet!” I don’t know if she did or not, but she clearly didn’t lie on 1/8/2021.Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/7/2023 @ 12:30 pm
Here’s a question, whembly: Do you condemn Trump for not correcting any of the 30,000-plus lies he told while in office? One standard, right?
Kevin, I agree on 1. For 2&3 I’d add that some of the ‘trespassers’ had to see evidence of the violence on their way in. You also need a group 5, people who came with the intent of participating in an armed insurrection. We’ve had convictions for sedition and know that group 5 did exist, but wasn’t that large.
I’d also point out that based on trial results ppl are being treated in the way you think they should.Time123 (10316a) — 3/7/2023 @ 12:30 pm
I think that Cheney had an obligation in correcting the record AND provide pushback when Democrats continue to push this after it was know since she was the face of the “GOP” in the J6 committee. The fact that she didn’t in either case reflects poorly on her, and there’s no defense for her lack of action.
In short, she perpetuated a lie that turned the temperature up a bajillion degrees during the J6 investigation.whembly (d116f3) — 3/7/2023 @ 12:31 pm
“But there may be things the defense doesn’t see that they WANT admitted at trial. This has the makings of a real problem.”
It’s been a problem since the Brady ruling occurred.Davethulhu (607d18) — 3/7/2023 @ 12:33 pm
You’re putting words in my mouth. Don’t paraphrase.
She put out a statement that was wrong.
She hasn’t corrected it (that I’ve seen. I’m still trying different search criterions).
Nor has she pushed back on her Democrat colleagues who continually asserts it.
As far as I’m concerned, it’s lying by omission. It’s what liars do.
I do codemn Trump’s lies.
Absolutely, we must have one standard.
But like I’ve mentioned numerous times on this board: Just because Trump does bad things, doesn’t give his opponents license to do the same.whembly (d116f3) — 3/7/2023 @ 12:39 pm
Including those that assaulted officers?Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/7/2023 @ 12:40 pm
Your statement is not qualified to those who did not enter the Capitol but assaulted officers outside the building.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/7/2023 @ 12:42 pm
You also need a group 5, people who came with the intent of participating in an armed insurrection. We’ve had convictions for sedition and know that group 5 did exist, but wasn’t that large.
That group is harder to define, since you don’t actually have to even come to DC to be involved in a seditious conspiracy. I put Trump in that group.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 12:49 pm
Including those that assaulted officers?
I covered that in point 4.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 12:50 pm
My bad.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/7/2023 @ 12:51 pm
Nationwide strikes in France due to the government trying to raise the retirement age from 62 to 64. My attitude? Raise it to 65.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 12:53 pm
Whembly, I see what you’re saying. I agree with you that it reflects poorly on her, but don’t put the same importance to it as you do. I don’t see it as big of an issue as you do, but I agree that it is an issue.
I’m also leaving open the possibility that she shares the police departments opinion on what happened. IIRC she’s always been a strong ‘back the blue’ type.
But IMO blaming the rioters who assaulted him for his death the next day is a stretch.Time123 (10316a) — 3/7/2023 @ 12:53 pm
I appreciate the contradiction in what I posted. I would have edited it, but I can’t.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 12:54 pm
Daughter Darth has paid the price; Wyoming booted her from Congress. Yet Liz so loved Wyoming she wangled a gig ‘teaching’ at the University of Virginia rather than going “home” to Jackson Hole. AS the old adage goes, we know what those who can’t do end up doing- and now students are paying the price w/tuitions to be taught methods and procedures from the Vader Seed:
Former Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) has accepted the University of Virginia’s offer to be a professor at the UVA’s Center for Politics, the school announced Wednesday.[3/1/23]
Driving the news: Center director Larry Sabato said in a statement on Cheney’s appointment that with “democracy under fire” in the U.S. and elsewhere, the Trump critic who served as vice chair of the Jan. 6 House panel investigating the U.S. Capitol riot “serves as a model of political courage and leadership.” – https://www.axios.com/2023/03/02/liz-cheney-joins-uva-virginia-professor
‘Sabato is a critic of former United States President Donald Trump, stating he believed that Trump’s presidency was the “worst” in U.S. history. In July 2021, the Republican Party of Virginia made headlines for demanding Sabato be investigated by the University of Virginia for his anti-Trump tweets.’- wikibioDCSCA (b33d06) — 3/7/2023 @ 1:02 pm
Sicknick’s death would be treated as felony murder if the stroke had occurred during a robbery. People v Stamp (1969). Pretty sure that’s a first-year law school case.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 1:03 pm
@405 I don’t think you can dispute that the prosecution and judges has gone as aggressive as possibly the could here.
Then, why didn’t the DOJ charge any of Sicknick’s assaulters, they had them, for murder then?whembly (d116f3) — 3/7/2023 @ 1:16 pm
Thanks buddy… we’re not so far off here. 😉whembly (d116f3) — 3/7/2023 @ 1:23 pm
Then, why didn’t the DOJ charge any of Sicknick’s assaulters, they had them, for murder then?
Not sure. Maybe felony-murder is controversial these days?Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 1:38 pm
@408 Or, now hear me out, it would be near impossible to get any conviction for murder and the prosecution doesn’t want a “loss” on record.whembly (d116f3) — 3/7/2023 @ 1:42 pm
Kevin,Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/7/2023 @ 1:43 pm
My understanding is that those who quietly walked through the Capitol Building and didn’t exhort other rioters or vandalize or commit violence got lesser charges of “parading, demonstrating, or picketing in a Capitol building”, particularly if they showed contrition.
The DOJ hasn’t really been swinging for the fences here. Please deals have been pretty generous. Sentencing recommendations have been in line with norms. Charges have been for things that are clear and easily proven.
But, there’s guilty in a court of law beyond a reasonable doubt, and there’s morally guilty. Maybe She-Darth felt there was enough culpability that she didn’t see the need to wade back into it.Time123 (10316a) — 3/7/2023 @ 1:51 pm
January 6 Defendants Catch the Breaks:
Data as of January 2023. Free link to article.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/7/2023 @ 1:54 pm
From the CPAC Thread:
Sadly, it didn’t go well:Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/7/2023 @ 2:13 pm
Should have been credited to Bill Kristol.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/7/2023 @ 2:15 pm
How Many Died as a Result of Capitol Riot?
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/how-many-died-as-a-result-of-capitol-riot/DCSCA (30a7a9) — 3/7/2023 @ 2:20 pm
whembly (d116f3) — 3/7/2023 @ 1:42 pm
I’m sure you’re right, particularly since there is no clear culprit(s).Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 2:27 pm
There is the guy who was charges with “stealing government property” for taking an envelope. There is always piling on.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 2:28 pm
Should have been credited to Bill Kristol.
Bill Kristol (and a few other unemployed political consultants posing as various front groups) are as harmful to their cause and Trump is to his.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 2:32 pm
@413. ‘Tail Barks At Dog; Complains About View’
Film at 11.DCSCA (30a7a9) — 3/7/2023 @ 2:32 pm
Had Trump lost in 2016, there would be no 2nd Amendment and political speech would be regulated. I need to consider that as I judge the costs of Trump’s four years. OTOH, now that the Supreme Court is 6-3, who needs Don?Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 2:36 pm
Crap leaving dog complains to tail. Metaphor at 4.AJ_Liberty (f7f421) — 3/7/2023 @ 2:46 pm
Who was also convicted of
I doubt the conviction on four misdemeanors will figure large in his sentencing, though as shown in my post 412 he will get far, far less than the 47 years he is facing and richly deserves.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/7/2023 @ 2:57 pm
@421. Actually he did lose in 2016—the popular vote that is; which went to HRC. But that EC Constitution thingy got in the way, didn’t it. 😉DCSCA (a0c34c) — 3/7/2023 @ 3:00 pm
@423: Not one of those was a violent act and the “dangerous weapon” was never shown to be operable. So, piling on.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 3:46 pm
Actually he did lose in 2016—the popular vote that is
He also lost “Mr Congeniality” but that also has no bearing on the election.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 3:46 pm
When 2 or more persons engage in a common criminal design or agreement, any acts in the furtherance of that common design committed by one party are considered to be the acts of all parties to the common design or agreement and all are equally responsible for the consequences of those further acts. Mere presence at the scene of a crime does not render a person accountable for an offense; a person’s presence at the scene of a crime, however, may be considered with other circumstances by the trier of fact when determining accountability. — (720 ILCS 5/5-2) (from Ch. 38, par. 5-2)nk (bb1548) — 3/7/2023 @ 3:49 pm
Well, it was.
But that’s a misleading statement. And Tucker Carlson knows it.Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 3/7/2023 @ 4:10 pm
@278 I read it. Rockerfeller admitted and was called out for being compromises for supporting lies. Article says nuclear program substantiated. Hyatt gives no evidence of this. I don’t blame you for not wanting to relitigate because their is no evidence of nuclear program and plenty of evidence of shut down. How does hyatt article refute what I stated? 2008 article was a white wash to protect compromised democrat senators. Fair game movie shows they had no evidence and punished those who said they didn’t. Senate democrats were trying to protect hillary and their votes on iraq war. Hyatt even admits ambivalence. Since 2008 a lot more evidence shown in the movie fair game and other places bush and neo-cons lied and people died. Bush only defense is that he didn’t know because he was lied to by cheney. All these scum were doing CYA. This is why I hate corporate establishment democratsasset (88e2a1) — 3/7/2023 @ 4:18 pm
This is not really news – we knew this before:
Maybe injured, but he seemed to be OK and certainly did not seem to be in mortal danger. He was walking around.
Unless the medical examiner or coroner draws a connection between some assault and Sicknick’s death, the persons who may have assaulted him are in the clear from causing his death.
Nobody says he died that day, although maybe some people want to get people to ignore or be unaware of the gap in time.
Not impossible, but you can’t just say so.
There are several other candidates for most useful lie or omission:
1) That Trump caused the crowd to storm the Capitol with his words
2) That Trump did not have a plan, that was in the process of working, to stall the certification of the Presidential election for a day. He knew it wouldn’t work and was also calling on Mike Pence to help him.
Throughout the hearing mention of the Parliamentary procedures was not mentioned, except obliquely – it played such an important role during the day, it couldn;;t be avoided entirely.
3) The fact that an intelligence assessment was altered between January 3 and Jan. 6 so as to say that even the rally on the Ellipse was unlikely to happen.Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 3/7/2023 @ 4:31 pm
Bush didn’t lie before the 2003 war, but the CIA did and even contrived to avoid answering an attempted fact check by Dick Cheney by sending Joe Wilson to Niger – and then lying about why they did so (Joe Wilson’s wife had nothing to do with it)Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 3/7/2023 @ 4:34 pm
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/full-transcript-face-the-nation-03-05-2023Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 3/7/2023 @ 4:41 pm
@425 “your honor, it’s true my Client waved what looked like a gun at the bank tellers face but we maintain, it wasn’t loaded.”Time123 (521b20) — 3/7/2023 @ 4:41 pm
@278 I just googled 2008 report and reuters. cnn and nyt have my view that bush lied people died. And those were the first 3 in line there were plenty more about bush lying about intelligence reports. Hyatt was what a pr person does when you try to defend the indefensible.asset (88e2a1) — 3/7/2023 @ 4:41 pm
I saw an advertisement on YouTube that said Elvis Pressley did not die of a heart attack, but of an enlarged colon – in other words extreme constipation.
It seems to check out.
https://www.renewedhealthassocs.com/resources/elvis-presley-death/Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 3/7/2023 @ 4:43 pm
So many errors by people writing about Covid origin. For instance that was no wet market, but a seafood market mainly.Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 3/7/2023 @ 4:44 pm
@425 “your honor, it’s true my Client waved what looked like a gun at the bank tellers face but we maintain, it wasn’t loaded.”
Closer to: “It’s true that they found a switchblade in my clients backpack, but the spring was broken. The switchblade the prosecutor showed the jury was a different one.”Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 5:47 pm
I believe if you carry firearm while committing a robbery it doesn’t matter if it is operable or not. Barnett claims in his appeal that it was “non-dangerous“:Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/7/2023 @ 5:51 pm
I’m sure the police officers that were tasered by their own weapons feel better about not being “lethal.”Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/7/2023 @ 5:53 pm
I believe if you carry firearm while committing a robbery it doesn’t matter if it is operable or not.
I think you have to at least brandish it.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 6:10 pm
95 dollars! 950,000 volts off of 3 CR123A batteries (4.5Ah)Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 6:18 pm
A DEWATted weapon is a question of fact for the jury. In Illinois, one Appellate Court has applied it to an inoperable automatic opening mechanism under the switchblade law.
Another question of fact for the jury is whether a metal hiking stick is a dangerous weapon without the zap feature.
The only straw worth grasping is that 1) it was not his inoperable stick, 2) the prosecution did not inform the jury that it was a substitute, and 3) in light of all the evidence in the record he was unduly prejudiced by the “prosecutorial misconduct”.nk (4809f4) — 3/7/2023 @ 6:23 pm
If you are already a felon, it doesn’t matter.
An Inoperable Gun Met the Statutory Definition set for at 18 U.S.C. § 921(A)(3)(A), (B) Because it Was “Designed to be a gun, Never Redesigned to be Something Else, and not so Dilapidated as to be Beyond Repair.”
See also United States v. Rivera. Paragraph breaks added.
In any case, the Barnett claimed his zapper was inoperative right up to the point the prosecution demonstrated it wasn’t.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/7/2023 @ 6:23 pm
Scumbag Schumer called on Fox to shut down Tucker. Called him an enemy of democracy. Did this from his position of authority as Senate Majority Leader and in direct violation of the 1st Amendment of the United States
Who keeps siding with this traitor?NJRob (3cb3f1) — 3/7/2023 @ 6:51 pm
@444. There is one glaring error Tucka makes that NewCorp should correct- as do those appearing on his program[s] referencing any of his opinions. Carlson keeps making references to ‘journalism’– and others refer to him on occasion, on air as pursuing ‘journalistic’ efforts. To be clear: Tucker Carlson is NOT a journalist. He was hired as an opinionator; a host; a ‘talk show pundit’ “tucked” into the Fox US prime time opinionator line-up by NewsCorp., execs. Carlson is entertainment- just as the late Rush Limbaugh was– and often used that umbrella as a shield from any heat on his opinionating. Tucka is no more a journalist than Dick Cavett was when he did his ‘Watergate’ shows on ABC in the ’70s.DCSCA (9c5a24) — 3/7/2023 @ 8:01 pm
The $3M, two-year January 6th committee was destroyed by a single devastating cable news segment – because the left was never interested in truth. They just wanted revengeJF (6e2f99) — 3/7/2023 @ 8:46 pm
A Zap stick, never used as a Zap stick, and never used to threaten anyone, is just a stick. The reason that they don’t know if it was operational is that he never used it in a way that was threatening. It was in the video, they determined later what it was and added the charge.
This is not the same thing at all as pointing an uloaded gun at someone.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 9:39 pm
I guess you’ll believe what you want to believe.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 9:40 pm
Did this from his position of authority as Senate Majority Leader and in direct violation of the 1st Amendment of the United States
1. He has no position of authority over any person. He can’t even write parking tickets.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 9:42 pm
2. As such, he’s just another blowhard, spouting off.
3. Since he’s a senator, he can say whatever he wants. And he does.
But from my position of authority as a blog commenter, I say that Fox ought to fire both Tucker and Hannity!!1!1!!
And, once they lose the lawsuit, they certainly will, for cause.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/7/2023 @ 9:44 pm
As a senator he can chill Fox’s speech with unconstitutionally coercive threats to pass laws Fox wouldn’t like, compel embarrassing testimony and other onerous compliance, etc. I doubt that, by itself, saying Hannity and Carlson should be fired is unconstitutionally coercive, but that doesn’t mean its not a real concern.lurker (cd7cd4) — 3/7/2023 @ 11:31 pm
Kevin M – I am into that sort of thing, and have had an account on DIME for more than a decade. So I thank you for the notice. 🙂
But mostly I just wanted to pass on an interesting fact about a long-absent-from-this-sphere mutual friend.aphrael (4c4719) — 3/8/2023 @ 12:10 am
@446 I wish you would be more accurate. It is the liberal democratic establishment who wanted revenge not the left. We have other important issues. I don’t believe any member of the squad was on the jan. 6 committee. These were all corporate establishment democrats. The left is always being accused for what the establishment liberal do.asset (9e9b27) — 3/8/2023 @ 12:41 am
“Tucka is no more a journalist than Dick Cavett”
Technically true, but does the casual viewer make the distinction between journalism and punditry. My impression is that the average Tucker watcher believes they’re getting the news and how to think about the news without the liberal commie spin. That he is making sense of the news for them. It’s a twofer.
Sure it’s loaded with opinion and dramatic confrontation. It’s not fair or balanced. It doesn’t seek objective truth. And he’s not really accountable for misleading people. There’s no sense of correcting the record. There’s no careful editting and meticulous source checking. It’s like Jon Stewart “news” without the occasional laughs.
But it’s blurred in with actual news on FNC and his viewers trust him….trust him more than CNN, ABC, or NBC news sources. They will argue that those journalist sources aren’t fair or balanced so what’s the difference? He’s talking sense and not washing the news through political correctness and liberal sensibilities. He’s asking hard questions just like a journalist should. We draw a conclusion that the average watcher isn’t straining to make. This is how they want to take in news….just like those watching Rachel Maddow.
It’s still a problem because it pushes people out of the gray area that affords compromise and keeps them polarized. You do hear the opinions echoed so they do become mainstream.AJ_Liberty (f7f421) — 3/8/2023 @ 4:16 am
I don’t like Schumer’s statements.
1. He has a 1A right to express his opinion about Fox News. There’s nothing in his statement to indicate that he’s threatening to use government power against Fox if they don’t do as he pleases. I don’t see any veiled threats. I think his statement is legally permissible. (IANAL)Time123 (10316a) — 3/8/2023 @ 4:59 am
2 . He has a moral obligation to support free speech and because of that he should not have made this specific statement. The fact that he did makes him a bad leader and someone that people who care about free speech shouldn’t vote for or support.
3. His many previous inaccurate statements and lies have made him someone whose statements shouldn’t be taken very seriously.
4. It’s unfortunate that he holds a position of power in the Democratic Party.
“People that feel it is ok to keep someone who is obviously NOT a threat to society locked away for 2 years without bail are fascists and monsters. Full stop.”Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/8/2023 @ 6:25 am
Kev…he’s not wrong though. You can make the case that Tucker’s presentation is too sympathetic (I’d agree with that), but you cannot take the Democrat’s presentation as straightforward either.
The scandal, if you will, of the J6 tapes is that Democrats seemingly framed the videos to push a misleading narrative via the inherent control over the videos.
It is not that the shaman dude did *nothing* wrong or that *all* those arrested are innocent. Democrats want that to be the argument b/c it’s a loser publicly.
The main thrust here is that there’s a real sense of overcharging and dogpiling here, and we still haven’t gotten a good answer whether or not the various defenses had access to ALL of the videos. I hope it’s a case of, and I’m paraphrasing nk, the defense truly had all the information and didn’t think it was wise to take it to jury trial and worked a plea deal to avoid the a worse outcome.whembly (d116f3) — 3/8/2023 @ 6:38 am
In legal filings made public Tuesday as part of Dominion Voting Systems’ $1.6 billion defamation lawsuit against the right-wing channel, a trove of private text messages, emails, and deposition transcripts offered a new look at how the sausage is made behind the scenes at the channel — and it is ugly.nk (047675) — 3/8/2023 @ 6:41 am
Carlson “passionately” hates Trump: In a number of private text messages, Carlson was harshly critical of Trump. In one November 2020 exchange, Carlson said Trump’s decision to snub Joe Biden’s inauguration was “so destructive.” Carlson added that Trump’s post-election behavior was “disgusting” and that he was “trying to look away.” In another text message conversation, two days before the January 6 attack, Carlson said, “We are very, very close to being able to ignore Trump most nights. I truly can’t wait.” Carlson added of Trump, “I hate him passionately.” The Fox host said of the Trump presidency, “That’s the last four years. We’re all pretending we’ve got a lot to show for it, because admitting what a disaster it’s been is too tough to digest. But come on. There isn’t really an upside to Trump.”
Tucker isn’t…. wrong ya know.whembly (d116f3) — 3/8/2023 @ 6:57 am
“Democrats seemingly framed the videos to push a misleading narrative”
What was the misleading narrative?AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 3/8/2023 @ 7:07 am
Paraphrasing, but that it was a “white-supremacist domestic terrorists engaged in an insurrection, besieging the Capitol at the exhortation of an out-of-control president and leaving our democracy hanging by a thread.”
That narrative.whembly (d116f3) — 3/8/2023 @ 7:10 am
Tucker isn’t…. wrong ya know.
No, no, he is not. And quotable, too.
Almost epigrammatic.nk (047675) — 3/8/2023 @ 7:23 am
What’s you take on this?
Is that a normal process?
I plead ignorance here… but doesn’t the defense typically get video evidence in their own possession for review? It seems weird that there’s this strict level of control.
Unless these CCTV are normally “marked highly sensitive”?whembly (d116f3) — 3/8/2023 @ 7:29 am
I don’t give much weight to a guy who privately said he hates Trump but has given him a years-long political tongue bath when the television lights came on.Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/8/2023 @ 7:40 am
I don’t know, whembly. I am not familiar with that situation. But it is the usual procedure for physical evidence and exhibits.nk (047675) — 3/8/2023 @ 7:48 am
Whembly, who do you feel was overcharged? Chansley is the poster boy and there’s video of him breaking in and he’s admitted to shouting “This is not peaceful” as he entered.
He got 4 years, but he’s one of the people who violently attacked the police and broke in….seems like 4 years isn’t an unreasonable sentence.Time123 (10316a) — 3/8/2023 @ 7:49 am
Chansely wasn’t even charged with anything violent. Did I miss the charging document that he assaulted the police?
I thought he was the guy who left that threatening note to Pence, but I might’ve been thinking of someone else?
Chansley was on the loudspeaker outside, so I’m sure that was an aggravating aspect to his sentencing.
Having said that, 4 years I think is insane for obstruction of congress to be honest.
But that really is that issue, per se, as I think Chansley and his original attorney made the calculation to take the plea deal, rather than taking it to court. It’s hard to deny that there wasn’t going to be a fair trial or fair sentencing in DC.
The issue to me, is twofold:
1) I don’t know yet if this is accurate and it seems to be likely though… the DOJ didn’t get all the CCTV videos in timely manner. The Courts ruled that this wasn’t a Brady violation because DOJ didn’t have the power to force Congress to turn it over. Nor does the defense have that power either. But, if this is true, it’s an injustice for one arm of government to withhold evidence from the other arm while a defendant’s life weighs in the balance. I think its worth chasing this rabbit down, as history is stacked with the government playing these shenanigans against the defendents.
2) The other issue I have, is the disparity in prosecutions and sentencings compared to other riots that were far more violent and damaging. In other riots around the country, including DC, the federal government has either decided to not prosecute (except in severe cases) or given the equivalent of a ticket.
And for the folks wondering why there’s an uptick in the #NationalDivorce discussions? Look no further than the perceptions of #2 above.whembly (d116f3) — 3/8/2023 @ 8:09 am
whembly (d116f3) — 3/7/2023 @ 8:43 am
We all knew, after a few days when the time of death and of his stroke became clear, and when we heard what time his family member spoke to him
Yes, and to obfusticate.
They were not satisfied with the truth, and wanted to turn ALL peeople against the Jan 7 riot soo they said a policeman was killed – and then counted suicides also.Sammy Finkelman (4ea0e9) — 3/8/2023 @ 8:23 am
“white-supremacist domestic terrorists engaged in an insurrection, besieging the Capitol at the exhortation of an out-of-control president and leaving our democracy hanging by a thread”
But what was misleading? There were white supremacist groups that acted in a coordinated fashion to force their way into the Capitol (Three Percenters, The Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, Texas Freedom Force, etc.). Now push comes to shove, I question whether any of those actors would have actually tried to abduct Nancy Pelosi or hang Mike Pence. In the end, there was no siege and the violence stopped at assaulting the police and damaging the building. Still, a lack of escalation was because the cops chose not to and the security details weren’t pushed beyond a certain point. But some of that is dumb luck and chance. Ashli Babbitt’s luck ran out.
So what do we call January 6th? Insurrection gets used because an official proceeding was disrupted with the hope that some sort of alternative electoral vote count would happen. Again, it didn’t make much sense and it had a really low probability of success, but this whole drama was discussed and schemed by advisors to Trump. Heck, Trump seems to have legitimately thought that Pence should have pulled that trigger. The intent was to at minimum disrupt democracy, with the Supreme Court being the bulwark. So maybe “insurrection” becomes “mob action” to lodge their disapproval with Pence’s disloyalty in not following through with an unconstitutional scheme. But how much does that subtle distinction matter…and to who?
Now was Trump out of control? Did the committee succeed in demonstrating that Trump’s top people, including his attorney general and top election people, tell him that he lost and that the electoral college vote scheme was unwise? Yes, yet Trump still pushed for it and even went as far to demand that he go to the Capitol to ostensibly lend his support and encouragement for the mob. Is that in control? Is it stable that he continues pushing a narrative without meaningful evidence? Was it appropriate that it took Trump so long to actually call off the mob and intervene in any meaningful fashion? Is it a sign of great leadership that Trump did not even contact Pence to make sure he was ok or to coordinate with the country’s top security individuals? I remain baffled that we never got any accountability from the Executive Branch regarding the day’s events, as if asking for that just falls under political and partisan.
A good number of GOP representatives were tainted by the Electoral Vote scheme and for rhetorically supporting the stolen election meme. It’s hard to have people who are material witnesses..at minimum…jump in and run the investigation competently. My concern is that many of the people who question “the narrative” ignored the committee proceedings, maybe only checking in via partisan media, and believed that the country was owed no explanation by team Trump. Spin and conspiracy turning has been all we get. Now there’s a narrative that needs some exploration.AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 3/8/2023 @ 8:39 am
Soviet tribunals had a 100% conviction rate with 100% of the accused “admitting guilt”.
Be proud, federal government!Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/8/2023 @ 8:46 am
These videos really capture what happened on January 6th, and won’t be shown by Tucko.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/8/2023 @ 9:14 am
Whembly, here’s a video of Chansley being part of the crowd that busted down the doors to the capital.
If you want to look up the charging documents he was also yelling “this is not peaceful”
He’s one of the violent ones from Kevin’s group 4.
He wasn’t a tourist. He’s a political extremist that used force to try and prevent the transfer of power.
What sentence do you feel is appropriate for that?Time123 (d65f9c) — 3/8/2023 @ 9:47 am
Technically true, but does the casual viewer make the distinction between journalism and punditry…
You’re projecting an assumption. And NewsCorp has not made a secret of their prime time block being commentary/opinion programming transitioning off of the ay blocks of more straight news– and the prime time opinionators themselves occasionally remind viewers that they are expressing opinions and a POV, too. Limbaugh, who spun opinion as entertainment, not as a news source, did as well. And, of course, simple supers of ‘commentary’ at start, finish or during programming is a solution as well.DCSCA (100787) — 3/8/2023 @ 9:49 am
Most of the ppl arrested got bail (rightfully so)
Most of the ppl arrested were charged with misdemeanor counts of parading or trespassing.
There were a large number of violent ppl there that physically assaulted the police.
These facts have been dishonestly obscured by RW media who dishonestly present that the DOJ has been over charging and the courts have been denying bail unfairly.
In this case Tucker is trying to present a violent political extremist as s tourist who did little wrong.
Given that part of your complaint is based on incorrect information, and that you’re one of the more thoughtful and reasonable people I interact with online, I don’t see much hope in calming things down.
Seriously, how do we address the complaint that Jan 6 criminals are being treated unfairly when they aren’t?
Here’s a database the DOJ maintains on this.
Who on the list do you think has been most unfairly treated?Time123 (10316a) — 3/8/2023 @ 9:54 am
There isn’t really an upside to Trump.
Not true. Judges. Hillary would have appointed very different people. The Supreme Court would be 6-3 left-wing statists. That is a huge upside. There are, however, downsides.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/8/2023 @ 10:08 am
Paraphrasing, but that it was a “white-supremacist domestic terrorists engaged in an insurrection, besieging the Capitol at the exhortation of an out-of-control president and leaving our democracy hanging by a thread.”
Well, it also wasn’t “main street patriots peacefully demonstrating their concerns.”Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/8/2023 @ 10:10 am
Whembley’s second point is that we’ve all seen violent protests that do not result in arrests or prosecution, and even if they do, the book is rarely thrown.
This goes back to things like the Capitol bombing, where the admitted bomber was never prosecuted, or the Chicago Convention riot where the perpetrators were lauded by the press and the Left, going so far as becoming elected legislators. These things stick in the mind.
We have Congresspeople inviting protesters to the SotU, and they somehow get in with protest material that they use to disrupt.
Even recently, we have insurrections in several cities (some of which continue to this day) and nothing like the level of outrage that the J6 activities engendered. One cannot help but believe that this is due to the political bent of the insurrectionists, and if sides are being picked, people will pick sides.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/8/2023 @ 10:24 am
This story is far more complex – and far less favorable to the Democrats on the J6 Committee – than we’ve been told. More info and actual transparency is better than being left with the disingenuously curated Jan6 committee bullsh*t.Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/8/2023 @ 11:05 am
There is still no getting around the fact that entry into the Capitol was by force, police were attacked viciously, some of the intruders intended harm to occupants, some intended to kill, and that they ALL knew that some of the places in that building were seriously off limits.
I don’t see how anyone could enter through a broken window, or across barricades and think is was OK. It was a violent act and the Rubicon was clearly crossed.
Individuals may be worthy of mercy, or even understanding, but those that led them, those that incited them should feel the awful majesty of the Law.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/8/2023 @ 11:31 am
“Not true. Judges.”
The context seemed to be moving forward with Trump, and the truth is that most Republicans these days will appoint right-leaning judges. Some moderates, maybe not, but there’s certainly no upside to sticking with Trump at this point over just about any other candidate.
“and the prime time opinionators themselves occasionally remind viewers that they are expressing opinions and a POV”
I agree and especially saw that with O’Reilly. The problem is that when O’Reilly (and other opinionators) would interview people, they are creating news and using the adversarial process to challenge the individual’s points (sometimes the guest might also just be expressing an opinion, sometimes they may be giving a reasoned view of facts). Interviews are a standard part of journalism and media reporting. So there’s a blurring here. In the end the interview might be biased crap and be bad journalism, but it can be different from straight opinion.
Liz Cheney: “My deepest sympathies for the family of U.S. Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick. Officer Sicknick was killed defending our Capitol from the violent mob on January 6. Please keep Brian and his family in your prayers.”
whembley: “She knew this was a lie.”
First, fact checking a condolence seems a bit peevish. Second, as others said, it’s unclear what she knew at the time she wrote it. It could just be a mistaken understanding early in the events. Third, given that he died of strokes, it is at least possible that the physical exertion of fighting at the Capitol could have been a contributing factor. So Cheney’s statement could be amended by simply inserting “as a result of” which is rarely distinguished for someone in service. Fourth, why would Cheney need to publicly correct something that the family would not care about, the police force would not care about, and most rational people would excuse as an honest mistake? Condolences may frequently put a death in the most positive light. Sicknick fought bravely and he died shortly after of strokes. Again, it’s a bit ghoulish to insist that Cheney go back and take that away from the family. Fifth, this is what makes you lose respect for someone? Find me a politician that has never misstated something and then failed to formally correct it. You will be a busy beaver expressing outrage daily here. This is an impossible standard that would disqualify just about everyone, especially in this context.AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 3/8/2023 @ 11:47 am
While this is an older article (from 2021) there have not been any protests to rival the George Floyd protests.
See also here.
The difference is the nature of the crimes and the focus of media attention. Most of the crimes committed during the George Floyd protests were not federal crimes and were handled in state courts. Many defendants were charged with misdemeanors (curfew violations, failure to obey, obstructing a highway) and received deferred prosecution deals. And many defendants had charges dismissed because of police misconduct while trying to control the protests.
President Trump’s rally focused the media’s attention on Washington DC and the certification of the Electoral College vote. It was bound to receive more national coverage than protests in individual cities.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/8/2023 @ 11:48 am
@478. 40,000 hours worth of Zapruder film…DCSCA (fbdf66) — 3/8/2023 @ 11:55 am
I think I’ve been pretty clear where I stand and happy to clarify.
I have zero objection to holding violent people accountable.
What I mean about being “treated unfairly”, is the double standards.
On the one hand, the J6 rioters have had the proverbial “books” thrown at them. In a vacuum, I’m in the FAFO camp.
ON the other, the prosecution of other riots, including the one near the Whitehouse grounds that drove Trump to the basement, were not pursued with the same zealoustry as shown by the J6 prosecutions.whembly (d116f3) — 3/8/2023 @ 12:23 pm
@476 Paraphrasing, but that it was a “white-supremacist domestic terrorists engaged in an insurrection, besieging the Capitol at the exhortation of an out-of-control president and leaving our democracy hanging by a thread.”
Well, it also wasn’t “main street patriots peacefully demonstrating their concerns.”
Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/8/2023 @ 10:10 am
Absolutely true, and I wasn’t trying to convey that either.
I’m not trying to whitewash this, but pleading with ya’ll to take a more nuanced position.whembly (d116f3) — 3/8/2023 @ 12:25 pm
If you’re one of those who’s tired of hearing the #NationDivorce discussions (as I am too), it’s this unequal application of the law is one of those things that drives that conversation.whembly (d116f3) — 3/8/2023 @ 12:27 pm
“Journalism”… I remember back to 1973-74 timeframe when the media was screaming “we need it ALL!” when they were informed that there was an 18 minute gap on the Nixon tapes.
Now we have so-called journalists acting as publicists for the Democrat Party and all Democrat politicians. It’s obvious to some – but obviously not all – that this is an untenable situation deserving remedial action.Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/8/2023 @ 12:27 pm
but there’s certainly no upside to sticking with Trump at this point over just about any other candidate.
Oh, I agree. And I was dragged kicking and screaming to that nomination. But if we are asking “Trump or Hillary” and not “Trump or Cruz or Rubio” then the answer is that Trump was better than Hillary.
Now, it may be like asking “would you rather date a ‘1’ or a ‘2’?”, but that ship had sailed.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/8/2023 @ 12:30 pm
Like so many other Republicans with their heads in the sand, Tucker wrongly thought that the “demonic force” would fade away after the insurrection that Trump stoked, and now he’s sanitizing a riot because there was no fade, for the sake of ratings.Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/8/2023 @ 12:30 pm
Per bolded text above…
Yes. Absolutely and her behavior/conduct during J6 committee.
She had an obligation to get the truth out, and turn the temperature down on the rhetoric based on that falsehood. The fact she allowed it to perpetuate, even though we all knew pretty soon afterwards, is a mark of a coward who’s only goal to maintain her desired (and J6’s) narrative.whembly (d116f3) — 3/8/2023 @ 12:32 pm
pleading with ya’ll to take a more nuanced position.
I think I’m doing that. Heck, I’m taking several.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/8/2023 @ 12:36 pm
@490 Aye, you are!whembly (d116f3) — 3/8/2023 @ 12:40 pm
It depends on which bombing. The charges against Bill Ayers for the 1971 bombing (52 years ago on March 1st) were dismissed at the government’s request due to FBI misconduct. The suspects in the 1983 bombing were convicted and sentenced to lengthy prison terms, which were commuted by President Clinton (after serving about 11 years). And while the suspect in the 1915 bombing was arrested, he committed suicide in prison before trial.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/8/2023 @ 12:49 pm
“While I admit that I approach these stories from the perspective of a long-standing criminal defense attorney, I would be outraged if I was unable to see such evidence before a plea or sentencing. At no point in the videotapes does Chansley appear violent or threatening. Indeed, he appears to thank the officers for their guidance and assistance.
Before addressing the legal implications of this footage, one thing should be clear. The public should have been given access to this footage long ago and the Jan. 6th Committee withheld important evidence on what occurred inside the Capitol on that day.
While it is understandable that many would object to Carlson being given an exclusive in the initial release, many in the media are denouncing the release of the footage to the public at all. The press and pundits are now opposing greater transparency in resisting any contradiction of the narrative put forward by the Jan. 6th Committee. Indeed, MSNBC’s Jason Johnson angrily objected that this is “federal evidence” — ignoring that it is evidence that was denied to criminal defendants.
This is not just material that the public should be able to see, it was potential evidence in criminal cases like that of the QAnon Shaman.
When the footage aired, I wrote a column raising the question of whether this evidence was known to or shared with Chansley’s defense. After all, he was portrayed as a violent offender by the Justice Department at his sentencing.
It now appears that the answer is no. I spoke with Chansley’s new counsel, Bill Shipley, and confirmed that defense counsel did not have this material.
In the hearing, federal prosecutor Kimberly Paschall played videos showing Chansley yelling along with the crowd and insisted “that is not peaceful.”
That portrayal of Chansley would have been more difficult to maintain if the Court was allowed to see images of Chansley casually walking through a door of the Capitol with hundreds of other protesters and then being escorted by officers through the Capitol. At no point is he violent and at no point is he shown destroying evidence. Instead, he dutifully follows the officers who facilitate his going eventually to the unoccupied Senate floor.
We all knew that Chansley was treated more harshly because of his visibility. It was his costume, not his conduct, that seemed to drive the sentencing. In the hearing, Judge Royce Lamberth noted, “He made himself the image of the riot, didn’t he? For good or bad, he made himself the very image of this whole event.”
—- Jonathan Turley
41 months in federal prison for a bad costume!Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/8/2023 @ 12:55 pm
Leanna Wen says many have lost faith in our public health officials. And she has, unfortunately, had to face that, herself:
And there is more to her story.
She ends by making this point:
There is a recent example of that tension here in Washington state. A woman with tuberculosis began treatment, and then stopped. She was told, repeatedly, by a court that she should continue treatment, or quarantine herself for months. An arrest warrant has been issued, but she has not, as far as I know, been arrested, yet.Jim Miller (f29931) — 3/8/2023 @ 12:58 pm
Colonel, you should include the link:whembly (d116f3) — 3/8/2023 @ 12:59 pm
One of the things that I have concluded — in retrospect — about the COVID epidemic is that a competent and decent president would have tried to make our effort against the disease bipartisan, as we did, for example, in World War II.Jim Miller (f29931) — 3/8/2023 @ 1:03 pm
I’m maintaining that the charging of the Jan 6 defendants was mild and will in line with established law. The DOJ has not thrown the book at them and has in many many cases allowed ppl to plead to misdemeanors with a fine and supervision.Time123 (10316a) — 3/8/2023 @ 1:06 pm
Okay buddy, we’ll need to agree to disagree here.whembly (d116f3) — 3/8/2023 @ 1:07 pm
CH, Turley is lying. Here’s a link showing Chansley committing violent acts and forcing his way into the capital.
The prosecution doesn’t have to show that he was a violent madman for the entire time. (It’s good that the police’s de-escalation tactics work) they have to show that he broke the law. Video at the link does that.
But my all means continue with the fiction that the Q-Anon guy, who is on video breaking into the capital carrying a spear and wearing a Buffalo headdress, who is on record as yelling ‘this is not’ peaceful, who admitted under oath that he did what he was charged with has been wrongly convicted.Time123 (10316a) — 3/8/2023 @ 1:12 pm
“She had an obligation to get the truth out, and turn the temperature down on the rhetoric based on that falsehood.”
Do you know that his strokes were not influenced by the stress of fighting off the people surging into the Capitol?AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 3/8/2023 @ 1:12 pm
@497, Who from the data base do you feel had the book thrown at them? Who do you feel was over charged? Who do you feel was sentenced unfairly? Be specific?Time123 (078d81) — 3/8/2023 @ 1:13 pm
Based on my post here, the J6 defendants, except for the most egregious assaults, have been gifted light sentences.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/8/2023 @ 1:15 pm
Government’s job to prove a case. Not the other way around.
But good job trying to muddy the waters.
She slandered everyone there with her actions from Jan 6th till her disgraceful forced retirement.NJRob (3d5663) — 3/8/2023 @ 1:38 pm
NJRobb checking in with the OJ was innocent point of view.Time123 (078d81) — 3/8/2023 @ 2:05 pm
No one knows for sure. Certainly not in court either.
Speculating that he was “murdered” due to the stress of the riot is a stretch, and in this context, was an extremely inflammable statement that pushed the rhetoric of the day.
It was a riot, and a bad one too.
But far from an “insurrection” or any other fabulist hyperbole pushed by Democrats and the media (but I repeat myself).whembly (d116f3) — 3/8/2023 @ 2:12 pm
Whembly what singe word would you use to describe hundreds of people violently attacking the police and seizing control of the capital in an effort to prevent the peaceful transfer of power after their preferred candidate lost the election?
I mean, I’m happy to just describe it like that. Theres vast amounts of evidence that that’s exactly what happened. But it’s a mouthful.
I don’t know the extent to which the injuries sicknick sustained contributed to his death. The police and his family think it was a major factor, but they’d want his death to be heroic and not just just a random thing. I agree that your political opponents are highlighting it because it makes the hundreds of people violently attacking the police and seizing control of the capital in an effort to prevent the peaceful transfer of power after their preferred candidate lost the election less sympathetic (see it’s a mouthful). But since I think what they did, and the excuses being made for it are a lot worse then a single murder I’m not as invested in the question.Time123 (078d81) — 3/8/2023 @ 2:23 pm
Time123 coming in with the lies and trolling again.
Thanks for doing your part.NJRob (9b21aa) — 3/8/2023 @ 2:29 pm
The service Tucker has done is that he’s shown that the vast majority of people on Jan 6th wrre peaceful, milling about and calm.
Those are the people the media and leftist government hid from view to proclaim the lie od an insurrection and to stomp on and silence those who don’t support their point of view.NJRob (9b21aa) — 3/8/2023 @ 2:31 pm
After they’d torn down the barricades and beaten the police into submission the Trump supporters were much calmer. They walked past the wreckage with barely a 2nd look and allow ppl like Rob to pretend they were just tourists.Time123 (078d81) — 3/8/2023 @ 2:37 pm
That’s how mobs behave. Like dogs who caught the car. With nobody handy to attack, they mill around.nk (047675) — 3/8/2023 @ 2:46 pm
The charges against Bill Ayers for the 1971 bombing (52 years ago on March 1st) were dismissed at the government’s request due to FBI misconduct.
This misses the point, which was that the very guilty bomber was lauded by left-wing society, rather than shunning and ostracizing which has been visited on much less culpable people fron J6.
Ayer’s billionaire father hired a legal team that showed that some of the FBI’s wiretaps against the Weather Underground were illegal and the charges were thrown out.
Later, the bomber (he also bombed the Pentagon) was given a lifetime sinecure at the University of Illinois, holding the titles of Distinguished Professor of Education and Senior University Scholar. He was also an acquaintance of Barack Obama.
Tell me how many J6 defendants will be given professorships at state schools. The point that was being made is that Justice is not blind to your political leanings. The fact that charges were thrown out on technicalities does not mean he didn’t bomb the Senate cloakroom.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/8/2023 @ 2:55 pm
Asia Times – Ukraine Is Going To Lose
There’s a notion floating around the Internet that the current conflict in Ukraine is going to remain a static war of attrition that will bleed the Russian army dry. So what if it decimates Ukraine’s society and eradicates most of its population? At least the dreaded Russian war machine will have been ground to a halt in the killing fields of Ukraine.
Those believing this narrative are living in a fantasy.
Fact is, the Ukrainian military is drained, the Western supply chains are strained, and the NATO stockpiles of critical weapons and ammunition are depleted. The war is transitioning, therefore, into a conflict in which the Russian side will enjoy several critical advantages.
For those under the impression that the attritional warfare will lead to a negotiated settlement: Fat chance!
Moscow is now totally all-in on this conflict. The window of opportunity to have gotten a settlement is closed. Unless Russia loses significantly soon (which it does not appear to be in danger of, if the Battle of Bakhmut is any indication), the Russians’ numerical superiority over Ukraine’s force structure alone will ensure that they achieve the victory they’ve been waiting for.
The outcome of this war, a defeat for Ukraine and its NATO backers, was totally avoidable.
Read the rest at: Asia Times – Ukraine Is Going To LoseHoratio (a1305f) — 3/8/2023 @ 2:59 pm
What does Pravda say, Horatio?nk (047675) — 3/8/2023 @ 3:11 pm
That article isn’t very convincing, Horatio.
The author bounces from “Ukraine can’t win” to “unless Russia starts to lose soon”, and from “a Ukrainian offensive to take Crimea will fail” to “if the offensive works, Russia will break out the nukes”.
It smells like Tuckyo’s Putin propaganda to me.norcal (7345e5) — 3/8/2023 @ 3:12 pm
It was a riot. And there was no “seizing control of the capital” nor any meaningful plans to “prevent the peaceful transfer of power”.
Call it for what it was: A really bad riot.
Riots are bad. There’s no such thing as a “good” riot, or mostly peaceful “riot”.
The people who participated in assaulting the police and breaking down doors/windows are riot participants.
Those participating in rioting are to be condemned.
I’m NOT saying no one should face consequences.
Take buffalo shaman dude for example. While I think his punishment was excessive, I can see why they took that plea bargain since he was looking at decades of imprisonment if DOJ sought the maximum.
He got forty-one months, not 41 years or 410 years. The punishment he received doesn’t fit as someone who was participating in a legit insurrection.
A riot, rather than “hundreds of people violently attacking the police and seizing control of the capital in an effort to prevent the peaceful transfer of power after their preferred candidate lost the election” is more than sufficient to describe the event that transpired on J6.
I can empathize from their perspective, and dealing with a loss like that it’s easy to scapegoat. But, I think it’s much more important to be as accurate as possible, not to wish it were so otherwise.
I’m invested it in only insofar as to applying one standard as possible (which is not always possible, but it is something we all should strive for). Because to do so otherwise, only inflames and allows the separate sides to stay entrenched to their preferred stances.whembly (1a398e) — 3/8/2023 @ 3:16 pm
This is not the Art of the Deal, where one side makes concessions while the other side gets more territory for “peace”, despite the other side’s record of broken promises. This is what Hannity withheld in his interview with Trump, and it’s the kind of pitiful negotiation that brought American surrender to the Taliban.
P.S. I’m loathe to link to Raw Story but the sourcing is from the Daily Beast.Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/8/2023 @ 3:19 pm
Asia Times is under the boot of the CCP. I’d take any opinion from them with extreme skepticism.Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/8/2023 @ 3:28 pm
Also, I don’t know who this Brandon Weichert guy is, but I don’t take seriously a person who presumes that the Ukrainian effort to defend itself from a criminal invasion “eradicates most of its population”.
Biden would look very Presidential if he pardoned the non-violent offenders. That’s assuming he gives a spiff about working to heal the divisions.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/8/2023 @ 3:32 pm
“if the offensive works, Russia will break out the nukes”.
And if Russia breaks out the nukes, NATO enters the war. Then what?Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/8/2023 @ 3:34 pm
I’m sure we’ll have people claiming that, after Russia uses nukes, further resistance is “going to set off WWIII”, when Russia using nukes already did that.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/8/2023 @ 3:37 pm
And if Russia breaks out the nukes, NATO enters the war. Then what?
Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/8/2023 @ 3:34 pm
Ask the author of that lame article.norcal (7345e5) — 3/8/2023 @ 3:40 pm
According to the article:
According to Wikipedia:
If the newspapper tried to be independent of the ChiComs, “Emperor” Xi would shut them down.
Given where Weichert is publishing now, I think an investigation of what he did in Congress — assuming he actually worked there — is in order.Jim Miller (f29931) — 3/8/2023 @ 3:41 pm
Horatio – Thanks for bringing Weichert to our attention. I don’t know whether you meant to warn us about him, but you did, and for that we should be grateful.Jim Miller (f29931) — 3/8/2023 @ 3:45 pm
To go back to a previous subject: One of the things I’ve observed in “mostly peaceful” demonstrations in Seattle is that those who are peaceful often shield those who are violent. So, for example, the rock and bottle throwers will hide behind those just chanting and carrying signs.
I haven’t watched much of the January 6th video, but it wouldn’t surprise me if something similar happened then.
(That said, I don’t doubt that there were protesters there who were peaceful, and at least a few who left before there was any violence.)Jim Miller (f29931) — 3/8/2023 @ 4:00 pm
‘Albert Watkins, Chansley’s attorney through sentencing in November 2021, said he had been provided many hours of video by prosecutors, but not the footage which Carlson aired Monday night. He said he had not seen video of Chansley walking through Capitol hallways with multiple Capitol Police officers.
“What’s deeply troubling,” Watkins said Tuesday, “Is the fact that I have to watch Tucker Carlson to find video footage which the government has, but chose not to disclose, despite the absolute duty to do so. Despite being requested in writing to do so, multiple times.” He no longer represents Chansley and said he could not comment on what remedy might be sought for the defendant. Watkins suggested that all Jan. 6 defendants who were convicted based on video from the riot should have their convictions vacated.” ‘Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/8/2023 @ 4:06 pm
@486. Well, you know what’s etched on The Big Dick’s tombstone:
“Expletive Deleted.” 😉DCSCA (aae600) — 3/8/2023 @ 4:10 pm
“That’s how mobs behave. Like dogs who caught the car. With nobody handy to attack, they mill around.”
Heh… rather benign. As opposed to ambulance chasers… when they catch the ambulance is when the exsanguination starts.Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/8/2023 @ 4:36 pm
Anyone who believes that evidence of someone not committing a crime is evidence that they didn’t commit one previously or subsequently… oops, never mind. I just noticed who’s making the assertion. I accidentally took it seriously.lurker (cd7cd4) — 3/8/2023 @ 4:46 pm
Paul, interesting story about Hannity, and believable. But any time Rawstory reports news we have be aware that they may be leaving out facts that don’t fit their preferred narrative. I’m not accusing them of fabrication, but they’re not a generally reliable source.Time123 (078d81) — 3/8/2023 @ 4:56 pm
Whembly, we don’t have to guess at the motives of the rioters. They were load about it in the moment. It lined up with things they said ahead of time, and many of the statements made after the fact were consistent; they did what they did to prevent Biden being certified.
They didn’t have a great plan (thank goodness) but this wasn’t a riot for equal pay or a to protest police violence or outrage at failure to enforce the law, or because the eagles won the Super Bowl. This was a riot to prevent the transfer of power.
Your comment that it wasn’t a legit insurrection and that proven by the lighter sentences. I recall some discussion (not from you) that if the DOJ didn’t go for blood it would be seen as evidence not of temperance, but as evidence that the crimes weren’t as severe.
I guess it can be a Rorschach test. I look at it and see a DOJ trying to find justice without being overly punitive. You look at it as evidence they don’t think it was as bad.
I will re-ask my question. From the DOJ database who do you think has been treated unfairly / had the book thrown at them?Time123 (078d81) — 3/8/2023 @ 5:02 pm
Yes, hence my P.S.Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/8/2023 @ 5:24 pm
If it was sourced by one of their staff and not the Daily Beast, I wouldn’t have linked it.
Those who believe the DOJ was overcharging by including misdemeanors should ask Congress to repeal those parts of Title 18 to allow for example, the following activities:
I’m sure they will be amenable to it.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/8/2023 @ 5:25 pm
I would also addRip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 3/8/2023 @ 5:29 pm
The second of those seems like it would include the 3rd, or at least one should not be charged with both.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/8/2023 @ 7:06 pm
Parading, demonstrating, or picketing in a Capitol Building
How many SotU protesters were jailed on that one?Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/8/2023 @ 7:07 pm
I love Allah-Nick’s piece today. Tucker et al pushing for people to choose their own reality about Jan 6th. The truth is just not ever really knowable. It extends to the Ukraine war….as evidenced by DCCCP’s shower of rationalizations….cresting with the assertion that since Russia used to own Ukraine, well, it’s none of our business if they want it back. Make the truth unknowable by shovel BS on top of it….I think Allah-Nick is on to something….AJ_Liberty (c5b55c) — 3/8/2023 @ 8:29 pm
All this bickering!! Some say this, some say that. Can’t we just move on?Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/8/2023 @ 9:07 pm
sarah hukaboo sanders signs bill that ends verification of age of children under 16 as meat packers were worried if they knowingly had children working around hazardous machines in meat pack plats and other unsafe conditions for children. duasset (cf2aac) — 3/8/2023 @ 9:15 pm
The U.S.’s $13 Billion Aircraft Carrier Has a Toilet Problem
The toilets on America’s two newest aircraft carriers, USS Bush and USS Ford are experiencing clogging problems, and the only way to keep the pipes draining is to use a special, extremely expensive acid solution. The two carriers toilet plumbing system, modeled on the plumbing system installed on airliners, clog frequently requiring the Navy to regularly service them with an acid that costs $400,000 per use.
The problem, first reported by Bloomberg, is mentioned in a General Accountability Office (GAO) report on sustainment costs for Navy ships. The GAO report states that the Navy used a brand new toilet and sewage system for the USS George H.W. Bush and USS Gerald R. Ford, the last two aircraft carriers to roll off the production lines. The system is “similar to what is on commercial aircraft, but increased in scale for a crew of over 4,000 people.”
GAO: To address unexpected and frequent clogging of the system, the Navy has determined that it needs to acid flush the CVN 77 and 78’s sewage system on a regular basis, which is an unplanned maintenance action for the entire service life of the ship.
Each acid flush costs $400,000. The Navy, the GAO states, cannot predict how often this expensive procedure is necessary, making it difficult to predict how often it will need to repeat the procedure over the 50-year lifespans of each carrier.
The clogging problems with the new toilet system were well known even before USS Ford finished construction. In 2011, the Navy Times reported on toilet issues with the USS Bush, the first carrier to feature the toilet vacuum system, writing that during the ship’s maiden deployment in 2009, the ship averaged 25 calls a week to fix the commodes and all 432 commodes on the ship went down twice. The problem was reportedly so widespread sailors were peeing in bottles and emptying them overboard and experiencing health problems.
In response, the Navy claimed Bush had a 94 percent toilet availability, and that most problems were fixed in a few minutes. The Navy blamed the sailors flushing “inappropriate” materials down the toilets, including feminine hygiene products, food, and clothing. But the Navy also acknowledged that the system differed from the old system in that outages in one toilet affected a wider grouping of toilets than before.
The U.S. Navy plans to build up to 11 Ford-class carriers, gradually replacing existing Nimitz-class ships over the coming decades. The next ships in class are the USS John F. Kennedy, USS Enterprise, and USS Doris Miller. USS Ford cost a whopping $13 billion, more than twice as much as the USS Bush. USS Ford has experienced a number of technical issues, including getting the electromagnetic aircraft launch system working, the advanced arresting gear, a new radar system, and electromagnetically powered weapon elevators.
The GAO report also mentions a bigger problem with USS Ford than faulty toilets: the ship, designed to be less expensive to sail than previous classes, was projected to cost $77.3 billion over 50 years to operate, or $1.54 billion annually. Instead, the GAO projects the ship will cost $123 billion over the same period, or $2.46 billion a year. If the Navy builds all eleven ships the service will see a combined cost increase of $10 billion a year—the equivalent of four new destroyers with toilets that flush. – https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a31929628/uss-ford-toilet/DCSCA (9c880d) — 3/9/2023 @ 3:55 am
94 percent toilet availability
“But dear, we have a 94% toilet availability!” does not seem like a good argument.Kevin M (1ea396) — 3/9/2023 @ 4:16 am
Now if you want to talk about a president breaking the law and trying to overthrow the nation, you don’t need to look any further than the current occupant of the White House.NJRob (75cac3) — 3/9/2023 @ 4:44 am
Another Trump lawyer pays the price, albeit a small one, for lying on his behalf. Funny how so many of his attorneys have eventually faced legal/ethical proceedings after having him for a client.Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/9/2023 @ 6:06 am
The New York Times wrote in a news story printed yesterday March 8, 2023, that seven people, including three police officers “had lost their lives in connection with the Jan. 6 attack” and attributes that total to “a bipartisan Senate report.”
I don’t believe, and never believed, that three police officers died as a result, and something has to be wrong here. Did the Senate report say that that was its own conclusion, or was that just the (highly questionable) claim by the Capitol police or whoever?
While it is not true, or fair, to say that any Capitol policemen were killed as a result of January 6, some Capitol and other police were injured for real, with some suffering more than just some pains and bruises, but the Democrats decided that wasn’t good enough for them – it had to be murders. Only deaths counted. And so they barely talked about injuries.
(and I think put some on disability – I suppose there could be PTSD)
Maybe, in general, they are in the habit of only counting deaths in connection with violence.
The New York Times also reported in yesterday’s paper that more than 150 officers from various police forces and agencies suffered injuriesSammy Finkelman (d424f9) — 3/9/2023 @ 9:18 am
in scenes of hand to hand combat” (this would include being pepper sprayed, or hit or being pushed against something – anything any one reported)
Jenna Ellis is one of the big ones. This article doesn’t even give you a clue as to what were her lies!
This news won’t reach the people watching Fox News and NewsMax.Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 3/9/2023 @ 1:29 pm
NJRob (75cac3) — 3/9/2023 @ 4:44 am
He also would be breaking the law by detaining them in crowded conditions and also would be breaking the law by sending them back to Mexico.
This judge would have Biden release people only in extremis with no planning or even maybe selection at all.
Meanwhile, Democrats are getting ready to attack him:
This completely ignores economic – and sometimes political – reality. And the law doesn’t say that.Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 3/9/2023 @ 1:35 pm
I remember the scandal when Sarah Palin became a grandmother at 44, but Ms. Boebert at 36 got her beat, what with her 17-year kid knocking up some girl in this present-day idiocracy.Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/9/2023 @ 8:21 pm
Um, it did, Sammy. Quote:
But I do agree that consumers of FoxNews and NewsMax either won’t see her lies or will ignore them because Politico isn’t right-wing enough for consideration.Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/9/2023 @ 8:27 pm
but Ms. Boebert at 36 got her beat, what with her 17-year kid knocking up some girl in this present-day idiocracy.
Precocity runs in the family. Boebert herself had a baby in her senior year in high school.nk (df21c2) — 3/9/2023 @ 8:46 pm
I remember the scandal when Sarah Palin became a grandmother at 44, but Ms. Boebert at 36 got her beat, what with her 17-year kid knocking up some girl in this present-day idiocracy.
Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/9/2023 @ 8:21 pm
I remember the scandal when the president’s son knocked up a stripper and the president disowned his granddaughter never acknowledging she existsJF (ce76fd) — 3/9/2023 @ 9:59 pm
The law oees say that Sammy.NJRob (eb56c3) — 3/10/2023 @ 4:12 am
Good point JF. I believe we were told at the time that the coke head stripper impregnator wasn’t running for office.
Guess it only matters if it can be used to attack a Republican. Sounds like a genuine conservative must be doing those attacks and not a moby.NJRob (eb56c3) — 3/10/2023 @ 4:14 am
I think part of the focus on the family values of conservatives is the hypocrisy angle. Social conservatives want to use the state to enforce their preferred norms of social/sexual behavior. When a social cons personal life doesn’t align with what that want to make policy is makes them look insincere / hypocritical.
Similar to how Bernie, a lefty who rails against personal wealth was rightly criticized for his Dacha. Bernie is far from the wealthiest senator. But given his policy and rhetoric his personal wealth hits different.Time123 (7512e0) — 3/10/2023 @ 5:00 am
mr. president joe biden had better change his evil ways or no trump supporter will ever vote for himnk (57a8aa) — 3/10/2023 @ 5:02 am
Hypocrisy is too kind a word for the Trump ilk who have perverted the meaning of “conservative”, Time123. They are not conservatives. They are petty, small-minded, resentful, haters attacking soft targets to give themselves some imaginary relief from the reality of their own moral, intellectual, and social inferiority.nk (57a8aa) — 3/10/2023 @ 5:27 am
Right, because no one here has ever brought up Hunter and his problem with coke and hookers.Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/10/2023 @ 5:45 am
Right, because no one here has ever brought up Hunter and his problem with coke and hookers.
Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/10/2023 @ 5:45 am
you brought it up, Montagu, just like NJRob described
but we should be thankful you bring up the failings of Trump and his political friends with nearly ever comment every day, cuz if you didn’t do it no one wouldJF (33c07e) — 3/10/2023 @ 6:05 am
Ambulance Chasers: “No heart. No balls. ALL mouth.”Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/10/2023 @ 6:28 am
you brought it up, Montagu, just like NJRob describedPaul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 3/10/2023 @ 6:31 am
Yes, I did, and then Rob whatabouted.