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11/9/2022

Will He Or Won’t He?

Filed under: General — Dana @ 12:01 pm



[guest post by Dana]

Understanding that all of the election results are not yet in, but considering the results we do have, do you think Trump’s influence on the Republican Party is waning?

I ask because he doesn’t appear to be very happy the morning after:

On Monday, Trump had announced that he would be making a “very big announcement” on Tuesday, November 15:

Then there were some not-so-subtle warnings concerning DeSantis, if the governor decides to run for the presidency:

“I don’t know if he is running. I think if he runs, he could hurt himself very badly. I really believe he could hurt himself badly,” Trump said. “I think he would be making a mistake, I think the base would not like it — I don’t think it would be good for the party.”

“Any of that stuff is not good — you have other people that possibly will run, I guess,” he added. “I don’t know if he runs. If he runs, he runs.”

Trump did say that if DeSantis does run, “I would tell you things about him that won’t be very flattering — I know more about him than anybody — other than, perhaps, his wife.”

I’ve been out of pocket for a few weeks and during that time I made a concerted effort to avoid election news, so maybe I’m missing something significant. But it appears to me that Trump, who believes that he alone is and should be the top dog in the Republican Party, will be unable to resist any “threat” to his throne. Especially from someone like DeSantis. I don’t think any real political calculus will be involved in his decision to run again. At the base level, his decision to run – I believe he will – will be a shallow one rooted in avenging the “stolen election,” his insatiable drive for power, and his desperate need for adulation from his MAGA followers and sycophants. But as to what’s in our nation’s best interest (and even the Republican Party’s best interest)? You know better than to ask such silly questions.

–Dana

90 Responses to “Will He Or Won’t He?”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (1225fc)

  2. I kinda want Trump to announce and then get emphatically curb stomped by DeSantis.

    I’m fully convinced DeSantis is going to run and announce soon (Jan/Feb ’23??) because now is the time to strike is popularity whilst its hot.

    whembly (b770f8)

  3. Trump endorsed OZ, nt because he was the most MAGA candidate (he wasn’t, and many of his followers in Pennsylvania . did not like it) but because he thought he could win. This was one place where he went pragmatic.

    Who does he think he should have endorsed instead – or does he think he should not have made any endorsment? Or does he think he would have had a cnadidate who was fullllly with him and that is not so important as winning electios?

    I can see him being angry that he endorsed someone to win an election, and then that person didn’t

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  4. Hopefully all those who badmouthed DeSantis on here will recognized he’s the best candidate for 2024.

    Or they can just admit they want the USSA to be a thing.

    NJRob (440694)

  5. the better question is “Does it Matter?”

    nevertrump will oppose DeSantis just as stridently as they have Trump

    nothing changes

    JF (df02cb)

  6. Dump vs desatan. Its like when hitler attacked stalin you don’t know who to boo for and it is illegal to throw beer cans. Ask cancun turd crud.

    asset (9c6ab6)

  7. Whembly,

    You probably want Trump to hold off until the Georgia runoff is over. You remember how he gave us a Democratic Senate the first time. I’m sure he’d do it again.

    Trump needs to lose. He needs to be humiliated. He needs to be seen as the weight sinking Republican hopes. So I am hoping for him to announce and clearly demonstrate his loser qualities. We won’t be rid of him until his “help” frightens the GOP more than his enmity.

    Appalled (00124c)

  8. Trump will run. And in the end- when the spit-balling is done, likely run a Trump/DeSantis ticket– alas, my poor Nikki. He can only run for one more term- w/a DeSantis as VP ‘apprentice’ for 4– then number one on the runway for 8 as POTUS. Revisit the list of GOP weenies he flame-broiled in 2016– and now they’re best buds- Little Marco…. Lyin’ Ted… even Little Miss Lindsey…

    DCSCA (15292b)

  9. He needs to be humiliated.

    Appalled: by now you should have figured this is out- Trump can’t be humiliated. He survived the 1980s; was reborn by a NBC TV show; Obama tried ‘humiliation’ via ridicule at the WH Correspondences Dinner back in the day and it sparked his run- and win. Hillary tried; Lyin’Ted tried; Low Energy Jeb tried; Little Marco tried… The Bush ‘pu-sy tapes’ tried; Stormy Daniels… two frigging impeachments. Humiliation doesn’t trump Trump. It’s rocket fuel.

    DCSCA (15292b)

  10. Simp-like disqualifier for one alternative:
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/youngkin-apologizes-pelosi-remarks-attack-180210806.html

    urbanleftbehind (ba1f92)

  11. DeSantis will run unless he is willing to give up on the idea forever. And there is no reason why he shouldn’t run — he can out-Trump Trump on the things that matter. All he has to do is convince the people who’ve rested their hopes on Donald that he can deliver where Trump cannot.

    “DeSantis: He Knows What He’s Doing!”

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  12. Trump says DeSantis won’t like (the campaign) He says he knows more things about Desantis than anyone besides DeSantis’ wife, who rump says is running his campaign (a general belief)

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  13. On the other hand Trump was not critical of Mike Pence.

    In 2016, he always tried to transfer support from his biggest opponent to others.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  14. And yes, Trump is becoming old news. The real problem is him deciding to [further] destroy the GOP if they won’t nominate him again. I don’t think we can rely on the Democrats jailing him though. They’ll just torture him and let him flail about in our midst. He’s too useful as a bogeyman.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  15. I wonder if Trump has committed any crimes in Florida.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  16. I think that where we’ll see the competition play out is in the House, where Congressmen will be forced to pick teams. And DeSantis has shown that he knows how to play the game, and Trump pretty much does not.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  17. @15. Wonder if Biden [choose which one] has committed any crimes in Delaware.

    It’s a cinch a GOP House will ‘investigate.’

    DCSCA (14437c)

  18. Welcome back, Dana!

    I hope you were just taking a break from politics, and that nothing bad happened.

    norcal (a1f318)

  19. I wonder if Trump has committed any crimes in Florida.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 11/9/2022 @ 1:29 pm

    My prediction is that Trump will announce his campaign before New Year’s Eve (probably before Thanksgiving) and will be indicted for obstruction of justice (at a minimum) by President’s Day 2023.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  20. Despite Trump’s “warnings,” DeSantis needs to strike while the iron is hot. Nobody will remember him in 2028.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  21. Trump blasted across media spectrum over Republicans’ midterms performance: ‘Biggest loser tonight’

    Nobody likes a loser.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/9/2022 @ 2:06 pm

    Great tweets from Matt Walsh, Tom Elliot, Mike Cernovich, etc.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  22. #9

    The homeless guy ranting in the street isn’t humiliated in his own eyes. In a just universe, it will be that way for Trump. He’ll be angry but he’ll never acknowledge he’s lost. It’s a different story for the people around him.

    Appalled (fac04b)

  23. @23. In a just universe, it will be that way for Trump…

    All evidence to the contrary. You cannot humiliate him.

    DCSCA (401d30)

  24. Married men broke Republican by 20 pts
    Married women broke R by 14 pts

    Unmarried men broke R by 7 pts

    But *unmarried women* broke D “by whopping 37 pts”

    — @conncarroll

    The end result of leftist policies. Marr8ed to the government just like Obama’s life of Julia.

    NJRob (a88c72)

  25. Hopefully all those who badmouthed DeSantis on here will recognized he’s the best candidate for 2024.

    He’s not the best candidate but he is the most viable alternative to Trump, and no, he’s not above criticism.

    I won’t predict one way or the other, but Trump shouldn’t run. He’s older, less fit, less hinged, and he already lost to a basement-dwelling decrepit.
    Also, I expect he’ll get indicted, maybe as early as next month, which means DOJ has an airtight case.

    Paul Montagu (b351b8)

  26. He’s not the best candidate but he is the most viable alternative to Trump, and no, he’s not above criticism.

    Again, you get it wrong. The objective is an alternative to BIDEN.

    Running against your own party intersts guarantees a win for the other team. Whoever gets your party’s nomination- back him. You should have learned that last cycle. If you had, you’d only have 2 more years of Trump in which to prosper rather than 4 years of inflation, malaise, befuddled gaffes and the costly calamity of global misadventures.

    DCSCA (7722af)

  27. Again, you get it wrong.

    Um, no. Trump already lost once to an addled Biden. The logical alternative to Biden is DeSantis.

    Paul Montagu (b351b8)

  28. Whoever gets your party’s nomination- back him.

    DCSCA (7722af) — 11/9/2022 @ 2:54 pm

    Did you follow this advice in the past? Did you back Reagan and Romney?

    norcal (a1f318)

  29. If you had, you’d only have 2 more years of Trump

    Assumes facts not in evidence…

    Appalled (a9dea9)

  30. @29. As an indy, preferred GHWBush for personal reasons over Reagan in 80- but yes; holding nose, Reagan- very reluctantly both cycles–deep issues w/Mondale. But Pierre Delecto? Never. Binders of women, roof-rack for pooches; 47%er crap. His daddy was branwashed- he– just a creep.

    DCSCA (0fc077)

  31. PJ Media is walking away from MAGA.

    Stephen Green: So Long, and Thanks for All the Judges

    Gut-check time: Donald Trump is now 0-4 in elections held since his big win in 2016, and he could go 0-5 if his man Herschel Walker loses the Georgia runoff in December.

    Then it disappears behind the paywall.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  32. @30. Nonsense. Next to no inflation, America came first– peace, prosperity. and a helluva great show!

    ‘And that’s a good thing.’ – Martha Stewart

    DCSCA (0fc077)

  33. @32. Then it disappears behind the paywall.

    Alamos w/benefits. Missile silos of our time. Remember all those ‘paywalls’ inhibiting the word over pretzels and lager in the beer halls of Nuremberg? 😉

    DCSCA (0fc077)

  34. @31 Props for answering my question in a direct manner. You sometimes surprise me, DCSCA.

    norcal (a1f318)

  35. Trump is indeed furious this morning, particularly about Mehmet Oz, and is blaming everyone who advised him to back Oz — including his wife, describing it as not her best decision,

    And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat. — Genesis 3:12

    At least he learned that much of the Bible. But I don’t think he really understood the lesson.

    nk (52edff)

  36. Trump is indeed furious this morning, particularly about Mehmet Oz, and is blaming everyone who advised him to back Oz

    Spewed coffee warning–

    Has Trump ever blamed himself for anything?

    norcal (a1f318)

  37. He’s going to run, unfortunately

    Time123 (f0132a)

  38. norcal @ 18,

    Took a long vacation. Thanks.

    Dana (1225fc)

  39. The problem for Rs with Trump is that he can only hurt them. He doesn’t like them and it hurts them in the primaries, he does like them and it hurts them in the general. The best thing for them is for Trump to just not notice them and to do their best to win or lose on their own merits.

    Nic (896fdf)

  40. Has Trump ever blamed himself for anything?

    Has Biden?????? LOL ‘It’s Big Oil’s fault… it’s Big Meat’s fault… it’s baby formula makers fault, etc., etc.,… and, always, it’s Putin’s fault.’

    DCSCA (0fc077)

  41. The best thing for them is for Trump to just not notice them and to do their best to win or lose on their own merits.

    That would only work with Trump in Tartarus Supermax. Because, you see, here’s the deal:

    Trump did not create MAGA. MAGA created Trump. To be their graven image. Their tutelary deity. Their Orange Calf. To guide them out of the Wilderness of transgendered bathrooms and to the Promised Land of Cracker Barrel all-you-can-eat specials and NASCAR.

    They will melt down their gold Visas to give him money. And they will supplicate him for his support when they run for election, reelection, and a higher position in the Party. Can you say “Kevin McCarthy”?

    nk (bb1548)

  42. Oh, don’t be so hard on Kevin McCarthy. Sure, he’s a tool, but they are all tools. Every last one.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  43. He’s going to run, unfortunately

    Then, when he loses, he’s going to play Sampson-in-the-temple.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  44. Better get with the new normal. The preference cascade is going not-Trump:

    https://donsurber.blogspot.com/2022/11/life-after-trump.html?m=1

    See instapundit for more bad Trump news.

    Appalled (29ccdd)

  45. After having said all that, I think I know why Trump is in a hurry to announce. It is not (only) to shut out other prospective candidates. It is, I suspect, because he suspects that the Party will throw him to the curb after the Georgia runoff, win or lose.

    nk (bb1548)

  46. @45. Better get with the new normal. The preference cascade is going not-Trump…

    Ahhhhhh…. echoes of wishful thinking from those Never-Trump’s National Review essayists and protestations by Lil’Marco, Lyin’ Ted, Low Energy Jeb and the rest of the roasted weenies. Two things you wont’ learn; 1) you cannot humiliate Treump; 2) never underestimate Trump. Remember, over 30 years, better people- in the private sector of cut throat business in New York City- have tried to ‘get him’ — than the weasels running the political parties of the United States.

    “Two little mice fell in a bucket of cream. The first mouse quickly gave up and drowned. The second mouse, wouldn’t quit. He struggled so hard that eventually he churned that cream into butter and crawled out. Gentlemen, as of this moment, I am that second mouse.” – Frank Abagnale Sr. [Christopher Walken] ‘Catch Me If You Can’ 2002

    DCSCA (5f8456)

  47. The GOP should quietly treat Trump like what he is – a loser. Don’t rub it in, it’ll make him fight harder. Realizing you need his base is OK, but let Trump whither on the vine for the next year

    steveg (e14847)

  48. See instapundit for more bad Trump news.

    Or the Vodkapundit thing I linked.

    As I said several years ago, if people really feel strongly about the issues that Trump championed, they ought to look around for someone who can deliver solutions. DeSantis is one, and he’s pretty obviously able to take on Trump. Maybe there are others. BUt Trump is about to become persona non grata.

    Kevin M (90f346)

  49. Norm once noted that Carrot Top movies were box office poison. Trump is the new carrot top. Norm is the same old Norm, may he rest in peace while God giggles

    steveg (e14847)

  50. It is, I suspect, because he suspects that the Party will throw him to the curb after the Georgia runoff, win or lose.

    I can see the Walker people thinking about throwing Trump to the curb right now. He cannot win WITH Trump.

    Kevin M (90f346)

  51. If Walker and Warnock show up, will both be welcome?

    https://uproxx.com/music/takeoff-funeral-date-location-set-atlanta/

    urbanleftbehind (179bc7)

  52. I notice that the comments thus far haven’t started with the question, “What approach provides the most personal financial benefit to Trump?”

    Declaring he is a candidate will provide a significant monetary windfall, but dragging out the announcement might result in more money that wouldn’t need to be treated as campaign funding. The approach of following the money has been a pretty reliable way of evaluating Mr. Trump to this point.

    Will sharing the stage with somebody who has a significant political following, such as Gov. DeSantis, enrich Mr. Trump’s ability to increase his income? Or would competing with Gov. DeSantis be more profitable?

    John Boddie (1fed16)

  53. “What approach provides the most personal financial benefit to Trump?”

    “Here’s $200 million for you to move to Switzerland and STFU”

    Kevin M (90f346)

  54. How can desatan campaign in blue states or even purple states? Look what happened to cancun ted cruz in a red state. Desatan is hated outside of floriduh.

    asset (988187)

  55. I wouldn’t be surprised if DeSantis sits 2024 out if Trump announces he is running.

    Why?

    DeSantis could do all the hard work of defeating Trump in the primary, only to see Trump then run as an independent, thus undermining DeSantis in the general, and throwing the election to the Democratic nominee.

    If you think that kind of move is beneath Trump, you haven’t been paying attention.

    norcal (a1f318)

  56. I don’t see DeSantis sitting out ’24. As someone else said in one of these threads, this is his moment. If he lets it pass it may never come again. This isn’t the old next-in-line GOP.

    That said, if past is prologue, one could make good money betting against everything I predict.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  57. The GOP should have won bigger. Though inflation is not the sole responsibility of the Democrat Party, they were the last party to shovel out free money to the electorate and they’ve shown remarkably tepid leadership in prioritizing solutions. If we add in rising crime, chaos at the border, and a feckless pullout of Afghanistan, the GOP should have comfortable margins in both houses of Congress. Team GOP has to sensibly view the 2022 autopsy.

    One can say abortion blowback impacted it on the margins, but both parties suffered from over-reach and not finding the middle of the electorate quick enough. It probably effected state elections and governorships more than Congress. The kitchen table issues top statement voting on abortion.

    No, GOP Congress underperformance was driven by poor candidate recruitment by the base and the electorate’s distaste for election denialism. Both are byproducts of Trumpism. Now mafia Don must run again to help with his ongoing grift and to maximally confound impending prosecutions. Even the dimmest Trump supporter can detect the fetid smell of losing and knows that Trump only hurts the GOP chances in 2024. It should be an easy election. Biden is a corpse. Harris is wounded by incompetence. There’s no JFK-like rising star on the sideline. The GOP just can’t nominate cringe-worthy. Some here can’t imagine doing otherwise. It’s time to sober up….retire the apprentice….move on.

    AJ_Liberty (15d88c)

  58. It is, I suspect, because he suspects that the Party will throw him to the curb after the Georgia runoff, win or lose.

    That, and he’s announcing to get ahead of his indictments. He’s going to play the victim and Deep State cards for all he’s got.

    Paul Montagu (b351b8)

  59. norcal (a1f318) — 11/9/2022 @ 11:03 pm

    Yet you praise Lizzie Cheney for doing the same thing?

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  60. Liz Cheney did not run in the Wyoming general election after her loss to Hageman in the Republican primary. Not as an independent and not as any other kind of dent neither.

    This is a trick older than the KGB. You put out disinformation, that’s the long word for lie, it doesn’t matter where, as long as it gets into print. Then you and your co-conspirators can quote it as something of record.

    nk (bb1548)

  61. Wordle in three with ADIEU as my starter word. As in “Adieu, Monsieur Trump!” And a totally fitting solution word.

    nk (bb1548)

  62. The loser won’t like this New York Post front page.

    (Murdoch has never seen the point in backing losers, especially losers that inept, at anything other than BS.)

    Jim Miller (85fd03)

  63. DeSantis is hated by Democrats outside of Florida

    steveg (a24667)

  64. Nk,

    She said she’d do that in 2024. Try and keep up.

    She was barred by a sore loser law from doing it in Wyoming. But I expect you know that and were just avoiding mentioning it for some reason.

    NJRob (d3d2d8)

  65. How can desatan campaign in blue states or even purple states? Look what happened to cancun ted cruz in a red state. Desatan is hated outside of floriduh.

    Demonizing the opposition is the last refuge of cowardly politicians.

    Kevin M (90f346)

  66. She said she’d do that in 2024. Try and keep up.

    That’s not what you said. And I doubt that’s what she said. What I’m pretty sure she said was

    “I’m going to make sure Donald Trump, I’m going to do everything I can to make sure he is not the nominee. And if he is the nominee, I won’t be a Republican,” Cheney said. ://www.cnn.com/2022/09/24/politics/liz-cheney-republican-party-donald-trump-2024

    Which is not what you said.

    nk (99e331)

  67. Link.

    nk (99e331)

  68. DeSantis could do all the hard work of defeating Trump in the primary, only to see Trump then run as an independent

    1) DeSantis can’t wait until 2028, or whenever Trump leaves the scene. Not only does he pass up his moment, but when Trump is gone, there will be 15 candidates suddenly.

    2) Many places, a failed primary candidate cannot then run as an independent or 3rd party candidate. “Sore loser” rule.

    If you say that Trump will just call his people home, well, that assumes that they prefer no solution to some solution. Besides, Trump will piss off his last defenders if he does that, and the indictments will flow.

    Kevin M (90f346)

  69. That, and he’s announcing to get ahead of his indictments. He’s going to play the victim and Deep State cards for all he’s got.

    “Political prisoner!”

    I’m beginning to understand why there are such.

    Kevin M (90f346)

  70. DeSantis is hated by Democrats outside of Florida

    Also inside Florida, and it didn’t help them one bit.

    Kevin M (90f346)

  71. Here’s the reason that DeSantis will run: He’ll be the only candidate who isn’t Trump. He just has to beat the incompetent fool. Not only does he get the nomination, but he looks like a giant-killer — and everyone else looks like gutless wonders.

    Kevin M (90f346)

  72. Anyone explain why Florida can count 7.5 million votes in hours, but Arizona and certain other states can’t count a few hundred thousand in days?

    NJRob (3d6f2d)

  73. There is a signature verification problem with mail-in votes. Time consuming and must be done with the Mark One eyeball. Apparently AZ got a lot of mail ballots on the last day (possibly dropped off).

    Some places tally up all the mail votes ahead of time, other places disallow early tallies. Then of course you have management issues…

    Kevin M (90f346)

  74. The Los Angeles County vote totals have been static for over 24 hours. The counting needs to be far more transparent than this.

    https://www.latimes.com/projects/2022-california-election-los-angeles-county-live-results/

    Kevin M (90f346)

  75. Kevin,

    I agree DeSantis must run in 2024. To clear the field early, he needs Gingrich level clearly stated goals. Not these milk toast wobbly big tentisms non policy policies but real blunt direct simple things.

    He has 3 months grace, he should formulate a set of goals, start picking future cabinet and judges.

    He has strong accomplished women to pick for VP, this will be a boost and will. He doesnt need to participate in crazy 16 person debates, he needs to do town halls, big rallies with local candidates, lots and lots of rallies.

    EPWJ (650a62)

  76. The loser won’t like this New York Post front page.

    Ouch!

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  77. Safe red seats.
    Trump can influence the primaries in safe red seats.
    Elect his acolytes.
    His acolytes go to Washington and join the Freedom Caucus.
    The Freedom Caucus wags McCarthy’s dog.
    He thinks he needs them to become Speaker.

    Now let’s compare and contrast:
    The Freedom Caucus has 42 members.
    The Progressive Caucus has 100 members.
    But no Progressive Caucus wags Pelosi’s dog.

    Now let’s talk Liz Cheney:
    She was in a safe red district.
    She told Trump to go bite a Trump Steak.
    She showed courage and integrity.

    We don’t need to get rid of Trump, really. We just need more people like Liz Cheney.

    nk (99e331)

  78. We don’t need to get rid of Trump, really. We just need more people like Liz Cheney.

    You did- for years, a party infested w/Neocons. And now wholly rejected.

    DCSCA (5e48af)

  79. The Los Angeles County vote totals have been static for over 24 hours. The counting needs to be far more transparent than this.

    https://www.latimes.com/projects/2022-california-election-los-angeles-county-live-results/

    Kevin M (90f346) — 11/10/2022 @ 9:03 am

    The schedule for reporting vote totals (between 10 a.m and 2 p.m. each day) is: Friday: Nov. 11; Tuesday, Nov. 15; Friday, Nov. 18; Tuesday, Nov. 22; Friday, Nov. 25; Tuesday, Nov. 29; Friday, Dec. 2 and if needed, Monday, Dec. 5.

    The overwhelming shift to vote-by-mail ballots fundamentally altered how Californians participate in elections, with voting beginning weeks before “election day” and ballot tabulation extending for weeks afterward.
    ……..
    In the June 2022 election, more than 90% of ballots cast statewide were vote-by-mail ballots and nearly 48 hours after polls closed, fewer than half of all ballots had been counted, according to an analysis by Kim Alexander, president of the nonpartisan California Voter Foundation.

    Contrast those 2022 stats with the November 2004 election: Fewer than a third of statewide ballots were cast by mail, and more than 80% had been counted by 5 p.m. two days after the election, Alexander said.

    Because mail ballots take significantly longer to process, a large crush of people voting by mail on or just before election day creates what Alexander described as ”’the pig-in-the-python phenomenon,’ where you just have this giant wad of ballots moving through the process.”

    Ballots postmarked by election day are accepted for up to seven days in California. That means the total number of ballots cast won’t be certain until well into next week, making it difficult for experts to gauge how much results may shift in the days immediately following the election.
    ……….

    Source

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  80. @77. Nah. You shoulda seen the Post and Nooz front pages week after week in the ’80s. ‘Victory has a thousand fathers and defeat is an orphan’ as JFK quoted. The GOP Establishment is going full Joe Biden; attempting to affix blame any place else but themselves. And it’s not surprising. The Rove-types clinging to the past weill do anything to pummel populism. THey blew this by inflating expectations.

    DeSantis is an opportunist, not a populist. 2022 Florida ain’t the USA, either. His ticket in is on Trump’s coattails as VP w/Trump in a 2024 run. [Alas, poor Nikki.] 4 years of Trump w/DeSantis playing ‘The Apprentice”– then 8 years of him as Trump Lite. Otherwise, he’ll crater just like Cristie.

    DCSCA (5e48af)

  81. I think it is clear that a large group of independent voters in purple states will vote for a Democrat rather than a Trump acolyte who runs repeating the articles of faith regarding election theft.

    GOP candidates who succeed in purple states 2024 will be those who convince voters that Trump is in the candidate’s rear view mirror

    steveg (a55707)

  82. #81

    What do you expect? Trumps people lost in election where the opponent was Jimmy Carter. (Energy Crisis and inflation. Next comes disco, polyester and cocaine)

    Trump looks like a loser. Now is the time to get him. When he is less capable of retribution.

    Appalled (fac04b)

  83. Anyone explain why Florida can count 7.5 million votes in hours, but Arizona and certain other states can’t count a few hundred thousand in days?

    State law.

    Paul Montagu (32dde5)

  84. @84 – All Florida needs to do is count the votes. Arizona also needs to prepare for at least three recounts and a CyberNinja audit.

    John B Boddie (1fed16)

  85. It’s Deja vu all over again, to quote Yogi Berra, unless this time the Republicans do something different.

    Maybe Herschel Walker can make a commercial — saying he is not an expert on elections – if the presidential election of 2024 is disputed he will do what, say, Brian Kemp, Brad Raffensperger and Mike Pence advise him to do.

    He’s got to try to stop Trump from trying to “help” him!

    Could he get enough Warnock voters to switch to make up for the loss of some Trump die hards? Mitch McConnnell would also have to say somemething.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  86. Because mail ballots take significantly longer to process,

    They have to sign them in first. People who vote in person have done that before the vote counting,

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  87. @83. Nah. The GOP Establishment not only looks like- but are the losers. And they’ll project their own incompetence on to the folks they want to purge- the populists- and the Ds. Even with a slim win of the House- if it ever occurs, they look incompetent. Many many threads ago, predicted if the GOP blows this the powers that deserve to have their azzes kicked and the Establishment leadership jettisoned. And the ‘Establishment’ ain’t Trump. But he makes an eZ target to project their own failures upon.

    DCSCA (c9550d)

  88. @80: As I said, this lack of transparency feeds into the paranoia. There is no reason why the numbers cannot update several times a day, other than bureaucratic sloth. Unless, of course, it’s juking the stats.

    Kevin M (90f346)

  89. @80: This year in CA, merely half of the Dem votes, and less than a quarter of the GOP votes were early or mailed. It was nothing like 2020.

    Kevin M (90f346)

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