Weekend Open Thread – Junior Varsity Writing – No Politics, All Sports Edition
[guest post by JVW]
Let’s try something a bit different here and have a weekend open thread in which the topics set out on the table are not related to politics. Inevitably discussion will turn to politics, being this close to the election and all, but at least we might try our hand at some other interesting items. Here we go:
The World Series
Today begins the 118th World Series. Thanks to changes made to the Major League Baseball schedule at least one game is guaranteed to be played in November, and should the series go the full seven games we’ll have the majority of them played in the eleventh month.
I’m still a bit sore at the Astros for getting away with blatant cheating a few years back, but they beat the yankees so in book that expiates a whole lot of sins. I don’t know what to think about the Phillies — the purest in me resents the idea that the sixth-best team in the National League this regular season is playing for the trophy, but the fan in me loves it. And I know he’s a very divisive player, but right now I really do like Bryce Harper, so help me.
The five greatest books ever written about baseball are as follows:
5. Guys, Dolls, and Curveballs: Runyon on Baseball, Jim Reisler, editor
4. Fifty-nine in ’84: Old Hoss Radbourn, Barehanded Baseball and the Greatest Season a Pitcher Ever Had by Edward Achorn
3. Crazy ’08 by Cait Murphy
2. The Glory of Their Times by Lawrence S. Ritter
1. Eight Men Out by Eliot Asinof
Quite an interesting year. Tennessee has made quite the resurgence under second-year coach Josh Huepel, the former star Oklahoma quarterback. If they can get by a tough but inconsistent Kentucky team tomorrow then next week’s showdown with defending national champions and number one ranked Georgia should be a doozy.
Number two ranked Ohio State gets their toughest test yet this season when they go to Happy Valley to take on number thirteen Penn State. Should Ohio State leave with a W then it’s a near-cinch that they will be undefeated when they host Michigan (currently also undefeated and ranked number four) on November 26.
As for me, I’ll be taking in the Colorado-Arizona State game in Boulder, a tilt between two of the worst programs in Power 5 conferences and two schools which have already fired their head coaches and are playing with interims carrying the clipboards.
NBA Season Begins
Lord help me, but I am tickled pink to see the Lakers start the season 0-4. It’s not so much that I hate the team, but if you live here in Los Angeles you understand the sense of entitlement that Lakers fans exhibit every season. I had season tickets to the Lakers for about 14 years, including all of the five NBA titles won in the Kobe Bryant-Phil Jackson era, and I can attest that the fanbase is absolute insufferable.
Speaking of insufferable basketball — and breaking the rules just a bit by touching on politics — Brittany Griner lost her appeal for her conviction of drug possession in Russia earlier this week. It’s now up to the diplomats to get her out of there, but it will certainly come with a high price.
National Football League
You guys should know better than to expect me to write about that.
Have a tremendous weekend, everyone.
Today, is Greek ΟΧΙ Day, when the Greeks told Mussolini where he could put his Axis. And he should have listened.nk (bb1548) — 10/28/2022 @ 7:48 am
The Greeks of Mariupol are commemorating it in Salonica this year.nk (bb1548) — 10/28/2022 @ 8:09 am
My boycott of the NBA will persist until there’s a Seattle Supersonics.Paul Montagu (753b42) — 10/28/2022 @ 8:20 am
I am proud of my Mariners.
MLB. I’m no fan of baseball when temperatures are in the 30’s. Football has an element that is connected to weather. It’s a winter sport…the frozen tundra is part of the lore. Baseball is a summer/fall sport. I’m leaning toward being a heretic on the solution. I would like to see baseball cut back to 130 games. Yes, it destroys the statistical continuity of the game over the ages, but something has to give. You can either have the extra playoff rounds or you have a 162-game season…you can’t have both in my opinion. I’m also no big fan of the one-game do-or-die playoff. Even the best-out-of-three series seems too short to me. It’s a little bit of a de-valuation of the 162-game season.
But back to cold weather. Having played baseball as a yute, baseball is the least conducive sport for the cold. There’s a lot of standing around and the already tough act of hitting a 93mph fastball or a knee-buckling curveball is further complicated by dressing for the elements. We want to see the best at their best…not handicapped by bone-chilling temperatures and gusting winds. Unlike football, it’s really not a sport promoting tough resilient guys. Yeah , yeah I know, there’s too much money lost by cutting 32 games…it’ll never happen. Well, attendance is down. Maybe less will raise the value in what’s left. Kill the shift, lower the mound, and re-prioritize making contact over launch angles and the long ball. Let’s make baseball great again….AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 10/28/2022 @ 8:29 am
Intruder breaks into Nancy Pelosi’s home, attacks husband Paul with hammer
Last time this dude was hammered… he wrecked his Porsche.DCSCA (1418b2) — 10/28/2022 @ 8:30 am
No thanks – this site supported Biden.
Saying ‘hey, no politics’ right before the midterms and with voters being fed lie after lie by lefty media is strange.
AG’s Baghdad Biden report for this week:
https://twitter.com/aghamilton29/status/1585761991716651009?s=46&t=Fv1oIc-10T-5VKUdlgGc7QObudman (85a7e0) — 10/28/2022 @ 8:34 am
Monologue: George Carlin on Football and Baseball – SNLDCSCA (1418b2) — 10/28/2022 @ 8:35 am
As a Braves fan, I can’t root for the Phillies. As a baseball fan, I can’t root for the cheaters…er, Astros.
So baseball looks a lot like national politics these days. At least, if I don’t root for either team, nobody is going to accuse me of effectively rooting for one of the sides I refuse to support.Appalled (03f53c) — 10/28/2022 @ 8:40 am
MLB now allows fan votes to decide the winner of the World Series. This puts Appalled in a bind.BuDuh (fe432f) — 10/28/2022 @ 8:45 am
99 minutes of politics-free open thread, broken of course by our resident troll.Paul Montagu (753b42) — 10/28/2022 @ 9:21 am
Good attempt though, JVW.
This is a question, not an assertion: Has the NBA gone so far to coddle super stars, as to spoil it for purists?
When I have watched NBA games recently, I have noticed that even the announcers talk about the double standards quite openly, and seem to accept them as just part of the game.Jim Miller (85fd03) — 10/28/2022 @ 9:23 am
You may think it’s funny, I find it notable that it was published in 1923:
Grammar, spelling and punctuation in the original.nk (bb1548) — 10/28/2022 @ 9:52 am
@8. ‘Brave’ New World:
MLB pulls All-Star Game from Atlanta in protest of restrictive new voting law
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mlb-pulls-all-star-game-georgia-wake-restrictive-new-voting-n1262930DCSCA (192eda) — 10/28/2022 @ 9:52 am
!10. And the RINO blows his horn.
Where ‘ya been; haven’t you heard?
It’s Putin’s fault.DCSCA (192eda) — 10/28/2022 @ 9:53 am
In MLB the absolute winning regular season record has become far less correlated with the eventual WS champion with each expansion of post season games, but the phenomenon of the team with the best record falling on their face started with the 88 and 90 Oakland As (and who knows if the Giants could have came back had there been no earthquake).urbanleftbehind (83720f) — 10/28/2022 @ 9:55 am
One of many reasons to vote against Stacy Abrams. But the news is over a year old and trust me, we all know about it.Appalled (03f53c) — 10/28/2022 @ 9:56 am
Hm. I wouldn’t put that rule change past MLB.Appalled (03f53c) — 10/28/2022 @ 9:57 am
Indeed, Appalled. It would make everyone a player, just like all eligible voters including those who do something useless with their vote.
They could call it the Skin-in-The-Game Series.BuDuh (fe432f) — 10/28/2022 @ 10:05 am
As a Dodger fan, I will remain in shocked disbelief until April.Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 10/28/2022 @ 10:10 am
Goodness, gracious, great balls of fire:
Jerry Lee Lewis dead at 87DCSCA (aa3125) — 10/28/2022 @ 10:56 am
I think the teams with the super winning records burn themselves out towards the end of the season. Last year’s Braves stunk until sometime in July, then overcame the Mets. Their W-L record was meh, but they got hot at the right time. This year, the whole point of the season became beating the Mets for first place (and getting the bye) and they likely burned themselves out by the last series they had with the Mets.
In the meantime, nobody paid attention to the Phillies, and they did what the Braves did last year.
This suggests a different approach to baseball which may not be the most fan pleasing way of doing things.Appalled (03f53c) — 10/28/2022 @ 11:05 am
They arranged for so many playoffs that the teams with the best records over the season are no longer even close to the World Series.Sammy Finkelman (4ee836) — 10/28/2022 @ 11:08 am
In hockey (I think, or is it basketball or both?) the playoffs almost amount to a second season and the regular season is a bit like exhibition games. Is that right?Sammy Finkelman (4ee836) — 10/28/2022 @ 11:12 am
This is a question, not an assertion: Has the NBA gone so far to coddle super stars, as to spoil it for purists?
Emphatically yes. One of the many reasons I’ve given up on that league.JVW (386188) — 10/28/2022 @ 11:34 am
Jerry Lee Lewis obituary/eulogy to come Monday (or Tuesday).JVW (386188) — 10/28/2022 @ 11:36 am
Was at the Chargers game last weekend at SoFi. Great stadium, but can’t say it’s an experience I’d pay for. Incessant and unnecessary noise from start to finish. The actual game seemed secondary. Reminded me of why I stopped going to NBA games. And, in case you think that’s just a boomer’s perspective, I only was able to go because a ticket holder friend’s young nephew wasn’t interested. And, my kids weren’t interested either, and not because it was the Chargers.
I know the ratings for American sports are probably still holding up, but if they were stocks I’d sell. The younger generation really isn’t interested in them like we were. I’d buy a soccer stock. EPL and Champions League. One big thing they have going for them is that they don’t assault the viewer with commercials, incessant hype and a four hour time investment. The actual game seems to be the focus and it’s less than two hours.
And, world soccer is very much a meritocracy. If you’re the best team over the whole season, you’re the champ. No endless playoff nonsense. And if you’re bad, you get relegated and booted out not rewarded with the best draft picks and TV revenue. At the end of the season, some of the best games are relegation battles.
Baseball, football, NBA, NHL are largely unwatchable, and the younger generation are picking up on this.JF (c7af9d) — 10/28/2022 @ 12:03 pm
Cheating is bad. Shame on the Astros and 7 other teams. Ditto.DRJ (4e7a77) — 10/28/2022 @ 12:17 pm
Basball bores me.
But – YouTube troll and competent amateur boxer is fighting the all time greatest MMA fighter tomorrow night in a boxing match. Silva is 47 so we’ll see if that’s enough to give Paul an edge.
Also, Musk now owns Twitter and the entertainment value of the content there about the change is great.Time123 (635376) — 10/28/2022 @ 12:27 pm
“This is a question, not an assertion: Has the NBA gone so far to coddle super stars, as to spoil it for purists?”
Yeah, I have a bugaboo with special rules for “superstars”. In my mind, it started with Shaq and his….”power move”….which most of the time looked strikingly like an offensive foul if anyone else did it. Now it’s Lebron James traveling and double dribbling. James Harden got bailed out a lot in the past with questionable calls getting him to the free throw line. I get that the league wants to create bigger than life superstars to promote the league here and abroad, but please apply the rules equally…or don’t be so blatant.
Also, the players trying to assemble super-teams is another annoyance. You wanna be the best, you gotta beat the best. In my mind, it lessens the value of the championship. That’s why I’m chuckling as the Lakers struggle. They tried to game the system and it ain’t working. Boo hoo.AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 10/28/2022 @ 12:28 pm
E-sports are the, maybe distant, future. The DOTA2 Championship TI 11 (The International) is happening this weekend with the winning team sharing Millions. The Covid lockdowns, the war in Ukrain, and global inflation have affected TI11 in ways unknown, but the smaller prize pool is an easy indicator.
Yes, it’s currently chump change compared to established pro sports, but the billions today’s pro sports now generate took generations to build. Give E-sports a few moore* generations, and the S—B— will be treated like the Kentucky Derby.
What’s that you say? What about all those college teams, high-school teams? Look for e-sports to start outdrawing the kids interest at those places and the paradigm-shift will happen and that will be that.
Check out any young streamer’s video (regardless of content) on the Tube and see how Video games and E-sports is a common activity for them.
Ben Bova was not too far off when he wrote “The Dueling Machine.”
But what would a fossil know about it?
* as in Moore’s law -groan-felipe (484255) — 10/28/2022 @ 12:36 pm
What do you mean by an “eight-day clock?”
One that will run eight days without winding.
Huh, then how long would it run if you wound it?Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 10/28/2022 @ 1:11 pm
Lucianne Goldberg (87) has died.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/28/2022 @ 1:21 pm
Mother of Jonah Goldberg.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/28/2022 @ 1:21 pm
I said my rant on boys post. So this is my view on future of auto racing. Girls join in more often! The best right now is hailie deegan who just got the highest finish in a debut for a woman at las vegas infinity race. Katie hettinger who is only 15 will race at phoenix arca west race and holds the record for most wins by a woman in late models at hickory and other tracks has the most talent and is the future. Hopefully simona de selvestro will have a good enough race car to do well in indy car where she was competitive in her last full time ride in 2014. Jamie chadwick 3 time w series champion will hopefully get a ride in indy lights in 2023. Natalie decker , gracie trotter(first woman to win an arca race) bridgett burgess and other girls and women in various auto racing will find the funding to run up to their potential. Many run arca east and west and main series. They all struggle for funding though busch beer is helping those over 21. Hopefully 2023 will be a good year competing against the boys.asset (691f10) — 10/28/2022 @ 1:27 pm
#30 There’s a “Far Side” cartoon titled “Hopeful parents”. Two parents are watching their young son playing video games and imagining “help wanted” ads for good game players.
I’m not sure when it was originally published, earlier than 1993 for sure, since
that’s the year when “Far Side Gallery 4”, where I found it recently, was published. I wonder what Gary Larson thinks, now that his joke has becom real?
(If you want to see it, do a quick search on line. This search string worked for me: ‘Hopeful parents + “Far Side” cartoon’.)Jim Miller (85fd03) — 10/28/2022 @ 1:27 pm
RIP Jules Bass (87).
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/28/2022 @ 1:31 pm
The original Rudolph and Santa puppets sold for $368,000.
The guy who beat Mr. Nancy Pelosi with a hammer is a right-wing nudist loopy loo.Paul Montagu (753b42) — 10/28/2022 @ 2:22 pm
I remember reading about militant Islamists being radicalized by the internet, but it sure ain’t confined to Muslims.
35: http://2idiotgamers.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/farside-hopeful-parents.gifKevin M (eeb9e9) — 10/28/2022 @ 2:22 pm
The guy who beat Mr. Nancy Pelosi with a hammer is a right-wing nudist loopy loo.
Hmmm … I dunno about right-wing. He also seems to think that Trump was a front for the Deep State, to discredit all criticism of out secret rulers. He seems to have about 17 wings for his flights through the polka-dot sky.
https://heavy.com/news/david-depape/Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 10/28/2022 @ 2:29 pm
@37. The guy who beat Mr. Nancy Pelosi with a hammer is a right-wing nudist loopy loo.
I remember reading about militant Islamists being radicalized by the internet, but it sure ain’t confined to Muslims. Paul Montagu (753b42) — 10/28/2022 @ 2:22 pm
“99 minutes of politics-free open thread, broken of course by our resident troll.
Good attempt though, JVW. Paul Montagu (753b42) — 10/28/2022 @ 9:21 am”
Now a blood sport to our resident RINO who suddenly wants to ‘play the game.’
It’s Putin’s fault.
“This just isn’t your day. Is it.” – James Bond, 007 [Sean Connery] ‘From Russia With Love’ 1963
[BTW, Nancy flew cross-country aboard an environmentally destructive, gas guzzling jet – no electric planes available- to SF from DC and reported hubby Paulie has had surgery for a fractured skull.]
World Series, Game 1, FOX TV, 4 PM PDT/7 PM EDT. Popcorn and cheese steaks at the ready. Gotta go w/t National League.
Play Ball!DCSCA (0472ca) — 10/28/2022 @ 2:52 pm
We linked to the same Heavy.com piece, Kevin.Paul Montagu (753b42) — 10/28/2022 @ 2:58 pm
Dude is a QAnon crank, and the whole deal with Q is that Trump would clear out all the Dem pedophiles and drinkers of infant blood.
The Guy is a Pelosi supporter and a ultra left wing activist, so far. A long time Berkeley resident and may be known to the Pelosi’s previously. Also Pelosi according to some sources had the hammer, and when he saw the police outside coming in, whacked the nut job, who took the hammer and hit him three times then dropped it.
Also there are not one but two patrol cars parked within the block of the Pelosi’s house and they responded – I wonder how someone in his underwear managed to scale the massive fence and wall and get into the back yard and how the police got there in seconds if not minutes
But who knows whats really true, all of this could be pure BS and I’ll bet most of it isEPWJ (650a62) — 10/28/2022 @ 3:02 pm
@42. Apparently he’s Canadian. Another immigrant run amok. 😉 Good ol’Berkeley- that legendary boiling cauldron of Right Wing stew. Just like Reagan’s Simi Valley! =sarc= 😉DCSCA (0472ca) — 10/28/2022 @ 3:13 pm
More and more people are questioning the whole thing
Redstates Boncherie, And several other liberal and conservative bloggers are essentially stating this:
“So the police were called for a well-being check. The fight over the hammer broke out after they got there. And the assailant was arrested in his underwear”
Thats a strange statement to make on a home invasion – but not for a domestic disturbanceEPWJ (650a62) — 10/28/2022 @ 3:15 pm
Which means there is body cam footage possibly from several officers.EPWJ (650a62) — 10/28/2022 @ 3:17 pm
@45. Apparently there is.DCSCA (04f13b) — 10/28/2022 @ 3:36 pm
What is the proof he is/was a Pelosi supporter? From CNN:Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/28/2022 @ 3:37 pm
I a Red State blogger says it then it must be true.DRJ (b0685b) — 10/28/2022 @ 3:39 pm
More and more people are questioning the whole thing
Of course there are. Reagan let them out of the loony bins, Obama gave them internet, and they got Marjorie Taylor Greene to represent them in Congress.nk (bb1548) — 10/28/2022 @ 3:47 pm
@44. It is reasonable to ask why any security system was so easily breached at the hovel of a multi-millionaire in the very tony Tenderloin District of San-Fran-cisco.
Did a mistress mistakenly forget to flip a switch on her way out? Was Paulie drunk? And what’s up w/underwear as break-in garb— a new California fashion trend?? Do the Pelosis routinely keep a hammer in the kitchen to chip out those $15 pints ice cream from their double-doored $5000 freezer? The bodycams should provide some context- if they’re not edited. But what’s to worry- the DOJ and FBI be involved. Great excuse to pull more folks off the Hunter case.DCSCA (04f13b) — 10/28/2022 @ 3:48 pm
Right now, the police are not saying its a home invasion so, was he a house guest of the Pelosi’s? – apparently this was a wellness check (short for domestic disturbance).
Both men were armed with hammers no fighting took place before the police got there, a window may have been broken in a dispute, then something went down when the police were there.
Body Cam footage will sort it out – if it hasn’t already been deletedEPWJ (650a62) — 10/28/2022 @ 3:48 pm
He was involved with the Pelosi’s
Soo many other lawyers and even Democrat lawmakers are finding the whole story – inconceivable – I didnt have time to link everyone.
Also, even in San FRan – if the police saw him beating Pelosi with a hammer – they would have shot him dead, now sources are saying it was Pelosi who had the hammer and the naked guy may have had a hammer.
But who knows – but the body cam footage – which they tried to hide before in Pelosi’s caseEPWJ (650a62) — 10/28/2022 @ 3:53 pm
Pelosi just arrived at the hospital— local news covering it; in a limo, no less, part of a government funded motorcade.DCSCA (04f13b) — 10/28/2022 @ 3:58 pm
Good BBC story here about the Iranian protest movement, and perhaps this one is having more traction because long-oppressed women are driving it. It’s funny to think women had much more freedom and equality in the 1970s.Paul Montagu (753b42) — 10/28/2022 @ 3:58 pm
Certainly TrumpWorld is:
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/28/2022 @ 4:00 pm
Also, even in San FRan – if the police saw him beating Pelosi with a hammer – they would have shot him dead
Considering he has a fractured skull from the encounter, that actually makes sense. Cops have shot people for a lot less reason. Injuries aside, something doesn’t seem quite kosher about how this is being portrayed.DCSCA (04f13b) — 10/28/2022 @ 4:01 pm
the police are not saying its a home invasion
They’re not saying it was attempted alien abduction, either. He is being charged with burglary.nk (bb1548) — 10/28/2022 @ 4:01 pm
Police – this is the same chief who lied about the Pelosi DUI BTW
“When they arrived, they observed Paul Pelosi, 82, and the suspect, identified as David Depape, struggling to gain control over a hammer.
“The suspect pulled the hammer away from Mr. Pelosi and violently assaulted him with it,” Scott said. “Our officers immediately tackled the suspect, disarmed him, took him into custody, requested emergency backup and rendered medical aid”
The rest of the article is YAhoo.com fiction – as I suspect most of this police statement is fiction as well.
Note they admit there is a police presence and wont talk about the timeline.EPWJ (650a62) — 10/28/2022 @ 4:02 pm
Just because he lives in Berkeley doesn’t make him a Pelosi supporter, EP. The Heavy.com link shows no indication of such political leanings. Rather, they show a right-winger off the deep end.Paul Montagu (753b42) — 10/28/2022 @ 4:04 pm
I’m sure he wasn’t carrying a hammer and shouting “where’s Nancy!” to discuss policy.
He’s not being charged with anything at this time. That Yahoo speculating.
First he was having life threatening surgery on his brain, but now then he was talking on the phone and now again the story has changed to – he has some bruises. He shouldn’t have been attacked, what happened to him was wrong – even in a domestic disturbance – leave a mark go to jailEPWJ (650a62) — 10/28/2022 @ 4:06 pm
Police reports, trump a site run by a couple of idiotsEPWJ (650a62) — 10/28/2022 @ 4:07 pm
I hope nobody with 2 hammers with a manifesto wearing only underwear gets past my fenced in property, sneaks by my 6 alert dogs, breaks my window, hands me a hammer and we get into a hammer fight, tonight.
I forgot they have guard dogs – a bunchEPWJ (650a62) — 10/28/2022 @ 4:10 pm
EPWJ, you said “the police are not saying its a home invasion.
Not from Yahoo, from Fox:
I genuinely envy you, kid. Up here, people have to spend upwards of $300/oz for some primo weed to achieve that state of altered consciousness.
Now, don’t get me wrong. It doesn’t bother me what you think. It bothers me that you’re trying to make other people think it too.nk (bb1548) — 10/28/2022 @ 4:15 pm
@62. You make a reasonable case for stink; something smells here. Was this just a SF gay romp gone bad between raging queens?DCSCA (04f13b) — 10/28/2022 @ 4:16 pm
SourceRip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/28/2022 @ 4:19 pm
SourceRip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/28/2022 @ 4:20 pm
@41: Paul, can you please decode this for me?Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 10/28/2022 @ 4:22 pm
Rather, they show a right-winger off the deep end.
This week. Apparently he was not so stable as to be easily defined.Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 10/28/2022 @ 4:24 pm
Three men involved in the attempt to kidnap Mi governor Whitmere were convicted today.Time123 (cab2f0) — 10/28/2022 @ 4:25 pm
SourceRip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/28/2022 @ 4:28 pm
EP, you’ve furnished zero links of any police reports.Paul Montagu (753b42) — 10/28/2022 @ 4:38 pm
Inquiries are to be directed to the Speaker’s office. For an incident involving her husband, not her, while she was 3,000 miles away. Something’s not right about this.DCSCA (04f13b) — 10/28/2022 @ 4:44 pm
I already did, Kev.
Another thing. Just because I linked to a violent right-wing nutjob, doesn’t mean there aren’t violent left-wing nutjobs out there, because there are plenty of examples of both, and I’m not interested in debating who does it more.Paul Montagu (753b42) — 10/28/2022 @ 4:46 pm
We’re all human beings, and we’re all capable of shooting or stomping or stabbing or hammering others to death under the right–or should I say, wrong–conditions. It’s not a pretty look, to claim that one side does it and the other does not, because it simply ain’t true.
RIP Vince Dooley (90). Winningest Georgia football coach, with a record of 201-77-10 between 1964-1988. Between 1980-83, the Bulldogs were 43-4-1.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/28/2022 @ 4:47 pm
World Series tickets in Philadelphia cost over $3,000 each—the second-highest price in a decade.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/25/how-much-world-series-tickets-for-games-in-philadelphia-cost.htmlDCSCA (04f13b) — 10/28/2022 @ 4:49 pm
@74. Grave decision:
Coach Vince Dooley Endorses Herschel Walker: He Will Make a Great United States Senator
https://www.wuga.org/local-news/2022-10-21/dooley-endorses-walker-in-senate-bidDCSCA (04f13b) — 10/28/2022 @ 4:52 pm
In other sports news ……
Tom Brady and Gisele Bündchen Divorce After 13 YearsRip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/28/2022 @ 4:54 pm
@77. They aren’t the first couple to split over football.DCSCA (04f13b) — 10/28/2022 @ 4:57 pm
#77 I recall Gisele defending Tom after a loss, saying that he couldn’t catch his own passes. And at the time, I laughed, saying that there was a way he could; he just had to bounce the pass off another player. And a year or two later, to my surprise, that happened.
(His second forward pass, however, was not legal.)Jim Miller (85fd03) — 10/28/2022 @ 5:47 pm
R.I.P. “The Killer,” Jerry Lee LewisIcy (6c9b23) — 10/28/2022 @ 6:24 pm
The Brazilian Giseles needed a freaky Friday moment early this week.urbanleftbehind (fd1bfe) — 10/28/2022 @ 6:42 pm
Wow- Phillies 6, Astros 5 after Phils comeback from down 5 to zip… 10 innings, 4 1/2 hour Game 1.
Excellent baseball.DCSCA (c608a6) — 10/28/2022 @ 9:43 pm
Thanks for the thread JVW.NJRob (81525b) — 10/29/2022 @ 5:37 am
Real leadership. And it makes sense considering how many Republicans left NY and it’s disaaterous policies to move to Florida, but still have family in NY.NJRob (81525b) — 10/29/2022 @ 6:14 am
If the Phils win in 7 games with Gm 7 on Sunday Nov 6, is the parade rushed for Monday afternoon, held on Election Tuesday or tabled until Thursday or Friday?urbanleftbehind (153056) — 10/29/2022 @ 6:54 am
They will probably delay the election.BuDuh (fe432f) — 10/29/2022 @ 6:58 am
There will be no Philadelphia victory parade. Ken Paxton will sue Pennsylvania in the Supreme Court to declare the Series rigged and stolen, and by the time the Supreme Court dismisses the case, it will be time for the Thanksgiving and Christmas parades.nk (bb1548) — 10/29/2022 @ 9:24 am
I’m off by a day, but given travel back from Houston and the 4+ hours of even simple 9 inning games …urbanleftbehind (153056) — 10/29/2022 @ 9:41 am
So Paul Pelosi called 911 when the guy broke in, had the cops on the line and was “talking in code” so they’d know he was in trouble without tipping off the attacker… and there was also an “unknown person” there who opened the door for the cops?EPWJ (650a62) — 10/29/2022 @ 9:54 am
yahoo news and multiple outlets via Eric Michael Garcia of The Independent and MSNBC: “Clarence Thomas and Ron DeSantis met the day before SCOTUS overturned Roe”
let the scoop percolate
Hey @EricMGarcia from the @Independent,
Is June 23th, 2021 a day before June 24th, 2022?
I am legitimately so sorry. I was not trying to mislead. I am legitimately embarrassed and humiliated. I never wanted to do anything malicious. I am so apologetic. I should have double-checked the dates.
duhJF (4f9524) — 10/29/2022 @ 9:55 am
Police dispatch to Paul Pelosi home:
“RP (reporting person) stated there’s a male in the home and that he’s going to wait for his wife. RP stated that he doesn’t know who the male is but he advised that his name is David and that he is a friend.”EPWJ (650a62) — 10/29/2022 @ 10:00 am
Lisa Boothe 🇺🇸EPWJ (650a62) — 10/29/2022 @ 10:05 am
None of this makes sense which likely means we are not getting the full story. Why was there a wellness check? And why did Paul refer to this guy as a “friend”? Have they met before? Spoken before?
c’mon people, the pelosi attack was simply a suicide by cop plot that went awry
why make a meal out of it?JF (4f9524) — 10/29/2022 @ 10:07 am
Why are you even surprised, comrades?
Tell me, have you ever seen a police officer or FBI agent wearing tinfoil on his head?
Of course you haven’t. And you never will, either.
The Rothschilds won’t let them. Because it blocks the mind-control space rays that our Secret Rulers are constantly beaming at us from their hidden base on the Dark Side of the Moon.nk (52a2fb) — 10/29/2022 @ 11:08 am
More details on the Pelosi matter:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/speaker-nancy-pelosis-husband-attacked-in-san-francisco-home-11666962683?st=efyjhbfee1iurrf&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalinkKevin M (eeb9e9) — 10/29/2022 @ 11:09 am
@94: Not the Rothchilds exactlyKevin M (eeb9e9) — 10/29/2022 @ 11:13 am
He probably didn’t want to alert the intruder who he was talking to, EPWJ. Or maybe he didn’t want to anger him.DRJ (b0685b) — 10/29/2022 @ 12:44 pm
Is Dana on vacation?DRJ (b0685b) — 10/29/2022 @ 12:45 pm
I like sports, JVW. Thank you for highlighting that this week.DRJ (b0685b) — 10/29/2022 @ 12:45 pm
Yet he sees nothing wrong with calling some of his opponents “a clear and present danger” to America. Talk about code words.Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 10/29/2022 @ 1:28 pm
As I said about Cheney when she joined Pelosi’s cabal, she’s become a leftist politician in all but name only. She will support all their positions soon enough.NJRob (eb56c3) — 10/29/2022 @ 1:39 pm
NJRob, Cheney is betting that she can bank on a description of “Cheney, a former Republican, turned Democrat…”felipe (484255) — 10/29/2022 @ 2:24 pm
https://michaelshellenberger.substack.com/p/pelosi-attack-suspect-was-a-psychoticNJRob (eb56c3) — 10/29/2022 @ 3:35 pm
Just like the name David came from the male, so did the claim that he ws a friend (of Nancy)Sammy Finkelman (c9cd39) — 10/29/2022 @ 4:49 pm
NJRob, Cheney is betting that she can bank on a description of “Cheney, a former Republican, turned Democrat…”
No, she’s better that she can cash in her “I fought Trump when it was dangerous to do so” cards for Integrity points. If, 5 years from now, people are trying to pretend they never really supported him after his next, more serious, escapade then she will win. If not, well, it’s not like she needs the job and there’s always the Hoover Institution.Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 10/29/2022 @ 5:51 pm
*bettingKevin M (eeb9e9) — 10/29/2022 @ 5:52 pm
Singer flubs National Anthem at World Series.
It’s not an easy song — both lyrics and vocal range — but it’s not The Major General’s Song eitherKevin M (eeb9e9) — 10/29/2022 @ 5:59 pm
conservation group voters get toxin laced letters. (DU)asset (e20a90) — 10/29/2022 @ 11:31 pm
Except the substance wasn’t toxic, they just thought it might be.Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 10/30/2022 @ 12:39 am
I don’t know if this is sports ;but little tyke gibbs just compared himself to JESUS! After wrecking his team mate in the xfinity race today and that was why he was booded! The gibb’s are always trying to turn christians into athiests! Joe gibbs has the team pray after every win that they don’t get caught cheating again this time. Next he will say jesus wrecked john the babtist going for the win at the bethlehem 500! Or maybe he should have put judas in the wall at the nazareth 500. Twitter is viral over this.asset (e20a90) — 10/30/2022 @ 3:47 am
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 10/29/2022 @ 5:52 pm
Yes, she’s got that bet covered, certainly.felipe (484255) — 10/30/2022 @ 7:06 am
This is the day the Lord has made. Let us rejoice and be glad.felipe (484255) — 10/30/2022 @ 7:13 am
Thank you for this post JVW. My lack of support for the topic is due to the poverty of sports I follow.felipe (484255) — 10/30/2022 @ 7:23 am
Call me a homer, but my 4-3 ‘Hawks have a really good chance at beating the 6-1 Giants today. It’s at Lumen Field, our D is finally coalescing, Geno has been making better passing decisions that his absurdly rich predecessor, and Kenny Walker Jr. can run the ball.Paul Montagu (753b42) — 10/30/2022 @ 7:48 am
Like with Trump, presume Putin’s statements are false until proven true, given the volley of lies he told at Valdai couple days ago.
It was just a matter of time that would welsh on the grain deal, just like he welshed on Budapest, Minsk, etc. The excuse that he “paused” the deal because Ukrainians had the rudeness to hit his warships in Sevastopol with drones is nothing short of pathetic.Paul Montagu (753b42) — 10/30/2022 @ 8:34 am
@Paul, I always appreciated Russell Wilson’s clutch play, but never felt he was one of the game’s elite QB’s. His best teams had elite defenses and enough of a running game that he was always in games. I’m glad might team didn’t mortgage the future to bring him in.
I’m not convinced that the Seahawks are contenders rather than pretenders. We’re seeing league parity and the benefit of 4th-place schedules over 1st-place schedules. The same is probably true about the Giants though. I think they’ve improved but I’m not persuaded that Daniel Jones is the man…and that their O-Line is good enough. I’ll pull for you though since I want the Giants fans to come back to earth a bit.AJ_Liberty (15d88c) — 10/30/2022 @ 9:06 am
I’ll say this about Wilson, AJ, and this is coming from a guy who’s seen almost every of his games since he was a rookie.Paul Montagu (753b42) — 10/30/2022 @ 10:01 am
His last season was his worst, and it wasn’t because he was injured or had a new offensive coach, it’s because he was simply worse than in prior seasons. He held onto the ball too long, his scrambling was less effective, and he missed a lot of open receivers. On too many occasions, I saw frustrated receivers coming off the field because he didn’t make the proper progressions and see open players.
The way I see it, GM Schneider traded Wilson at the best possible moment for his team, somewhat like the Herschel Walker trade for Dallas. Denver is going to pay for that bad decision for a decade, IMO.
As for today’s game, I said we had a good chance, but Daniel Jones can run and pass, so he could kill us. Also, Saquon Barkley is the real deal. I saw him shred by beloved Huskies in a bowl game, and the last running back to do that to the Dawgs was Thurman Thomas.
@115. Like with Biden, presume Putin’s statements are false until proven true, given the volley of lies he told at Valdai couple days ago.
Trump has been out of office nearly two years, RINO.DCSCA (9689dc) — 10/30/2022 @ 10:01 am
@112. This is the day the Lord has made. Let us rejoice and be glad.
Glad? The day before Halloween closes with “hell night,” felipe. 😉DCSCA (9689dc) — 10/30/2022 @ 10:04 am
Pelosi has blocked answers to questions about lack of security at Capitol on January 6
So the Royalist Wicked Witch of the West failed on explaining lack of podium security at the Washington castle; fails while supporting Joe’s Royalist policy of wide open, unsecured southern borders — and fails to explain HOW somebody broke into her supposedly ‘secure’ SF castle while eliciting sympathy for a hammered hubby. As all witches know, new broom sweeps clean– and next week, should send her flying– to the Vatican, with Joe’s blessing.
“I trust his judgement.” – Nancy PelosiDCSCA (9689dc) — 10/30/2022 @ 10:42 am
Did anybody notice that he reversed himself on October 13?
The Republicans aren’t honest about the necessity or legality of this policy, so why should they be honest about what Biden’s current policy is? The big thing is, the media, by and large, did not catch this. (Biden’s not going to alert the Democratic base)Sammy Finkelman (c9cd39) — 10/30/2022 @ 10:49 am
Nice name-calling. Trump controls the GOP and is a double-digit frontrunner for 2024 nomination, so his time out of office is irrelevant.Paul Montagu (753b42) — 10/30/2022 @ 10:52 am
Biden just wants to avoid criticism by Republicans.
He’s not going to succeed at this.Sammy Finkelman (c9cd39) — 10/30/2022 @ 10:53 am
The Republicans are sticking to the idea you need a wall. Also that it is possible to stop people who have tried so hard without having some die.
You’re an open borders absolutist. We get it.
Biden only reversed himself on one group, Venezuelans.
How about you offer to take them all in. Sponsor and support them all on your own dime.NJRob (9e6f4a) — 10/30/2022 @ 11:15 am
Russell Wilson is probably just plain beat up at this point of his career (he also had 4 complete D1 seasons as a college QB prior). The trade reminded me of another unsuccessful acquisition by a Denver team, the Allen Iverson trade.urbanleftbehind (153056) — 10/30/2022 @ 11:25 am
DCSCA (9689dc) — 10/30/2022 @ 10:04 am
Did you know that all the Saints in Heaven are glad about each and every person who inhabits Hell in celebration of the Lord’s perfect justice in honoring each Sinner’s free choice of doing what it take to get into Hell over doing what it takes to get into Heaven?
Kind of like being glad when a violent criminal is put in jail, after they freely choose jail.felipe (484255) — 10/30/2022 @ 11:34 am
@122. Ketchup is ketchup; catsup is catsup; bathroom tissue is toilet paper and a RINO is a RINO.DCSCA (9689dc) — 10/30/2022 @ 11:34 am
Eh, the topic is sports, DCSCA, let’s not be trollish in feeding one another.
My apologies to JVW and our fellow commenters.felipe (484255) — 10/30/2022 @ 11:36 am
@126. ‘And the magic word: Julie Andrews!’ 😉
“I’m the Horned One. The Devil. Let me give you my card.” – George Spiggott (The Devil) [Peter Cook] ‘Bedazzled’ 1967DCSCA (9689dc) — 10/30/2022 @ 11:42 am
@128. Politics is a sport, felipe: a blood sport.
‘Course we could weep over the Phillies losing last night. But that’s water under the Ben Franklin Bridge. 😉DCSCA (9689dc) — 10/30/2022 @ 11:45 am
A sports-related recommendation:
On Amazon Prime… “Raymond Lewis – L.A. Legend”. This guy is claimed by many to be the best HS or college basketball player they ever saw (the late Coach Jerry Tarkanian said in his last interview that Lewis was the best player he’d ever seen).
I watched it last night… awesome… it even showed good footage of the CIF Southern Section 2A championship game in 1969 at the L.A. Sports Arena between Lewis’s Verbum Dei and Katella High of Anaheim (my alma mater), won by Verbum Dei 90 to 87. I saw that one, what a game! So much fun seeing old friends and teammates playing on TV. They interviewed one of the Katella players (my teammate the next year), the guy who matched up with Lewis and it was interesting hearing his take as he spoke so many years later. This Lewis and his shooting, his ball-handling, and quickness was jaw-dropping good. He was special, which worked both for and against him.
In the end, it was a story about dreams of playing in the NBA that never came true and made the case for Lewis being screwed by the Philadelphia 76ers and half-assed blackballed by the NBA (for being so much better than fellow 76er draft pick All-American Doug Collins and not being paid commensurate with his abilities and being loud and obnoxious about it) which was what many of us who followed Raymond Lewis over the years had long understood to be the case.
Joe Bob sez two thumbs up!Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/30/2022 @ 11:59 am
Trump controls the GOP and is a double-digit frontrunner for 2024 nomination, so his time out of office is irrelevant.
Except it’s quite relevant– translation; he’s out of office for two years: powerless. You have it backwards: it’s not Trump who controls the party- it’s the American voters who support his POV who control the party now. Welcome to 1964.
The Ds hold the House, the Senate w/Kamala’s tie-breaking vote– and the WH. Trump gave you three SCOTUS bodies and you still complain; and the wholly irrelevant Dancing Alitos– the be-robed bureaucrats who can’t keep track of some papers– have yet to find the ‘leaker.’DCSCA (9689dc) — 10/30/2022 @ 12:12 pm
Nice denials, DC.Paul Montagu (753b42) — 10/30/2022 @ 12:21 pm
Thinking back on those days a half century later, it’s amazing the sh*t that went on with recruiting and this film gets into it.
I can’t do justice in describing how funny it was to see our team come out pre-game for that lay-up drill… we had two great guards – one went on to West Point and was named winner of the Naismith Award best player 6ft or under, the other (who was the guy interviewed years later in the film) went on to be Tarkanian’s pt.guard at Cal State Long Beach), a 6’2” center who was a great leaper/rebounder and other good players who were molded by a great coach. Skinny high school kids…
And then Verbum Dei came out… frontline: a 6’5” 225 lb. guy with what looked like a knife scar on his face a heavy 5 o’clock shadow, and a look like he’d just been released from San Quentin, 6’5” 205, and 6’4” 215.
And Raymond Lewis.
LOL funny!Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/30/2022 @ 12:23 pm
For once, I agree with DCSCA more than I disagree.felipe (484255) — 10/30/2022 @ 12:36 pm
@135. ROFLMAOPIP– ain’t that the truth?! With age comes words of wisdom– and breaking windom.DCSCA (9689dc) — 10/30/2022 @ 12:45 pm
@133. Nice try, Paul.DCSCA (9689dc) — 10/30/2022 @ 12:46 pm
I like the NFL because even though you have perennial playoff teams like New England and Green Bay, the draft, free agency, salary cap, and scheduling brings about some parity and creates some drama…even though the better team will win more of the time than not.
College football can be a little irritating. Let’s face it….it’s the same top teams year after year: Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, Clemson, USC, Oregon, and Michigan. Some teams like LSU, Wisconsin, Penn State, UCLA, FSU bounce back and forth between being a top team…and occasionally, like this year, you see your Tennessee, TCU, or Mississippi poke their head in the tent. But the top programs always get the top talent which creates a tiered system. Yes, there are injuries and upsets, but most of the time it’s the top teams winning by 30 with two big games each season. Yeah it’s purer than the NFL…in some sense (not the unpaid sense any more)…and I watch and follow, but it’s the rich getting richer and those top programs playing a 3rd-rate non-conference opponent…for what purpose? If you want to be the top program in the country than you should only play meaningful non-conference games for a starter. Anyways, my rant on the Lord’s Day!AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 10/30/2022 @ 1:03 pm
@138. Agarn, Agarn, Agarn…
6 Reasons College Football Is Better than the NFL
couchguysports.com/why-college-football-is-better-than-the-nfl/DCSCA (9689dc) — 10/30/2022 @ 1:11 pm
@138. Again: Agarn, Agarn, Agarn…
100 Reasons Why College Football Is Better Than The NFL
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/531155-100-reasons-why-college-football-is-the-best-sport-and-better-then-the-nflDCSCA (9689dc) — 10/30/2022 @ 1:13 pm
Anyways, my rant on the Lord’s Day!
AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 10/30/2022 @ 1:03 pm
Nothing wrong with righteous indignation!felipe (484255) — 10/30/2022 @ 1:15 pm
DCSCA & felipe nodding towards each other: aw-haw-haw-haw-haw!felipe (484255) — 10/30/2022 @ 1:18 pm
abc/ipsos poll: most important issues to voters
election denialism wasn’t even bothered with, and ukraine is way down the list
but what do voters know anyway?JF (5a4656) — 10/30/2022 @ 1:22 pm
I watch teams in the smaller brand conferences, AJ. Good football there and lots of fun. Heck, here in West Texas, we love high school football on Friday nights. It doesn’t get any better than that.DRJ (597b42) — 10/30/2022 @ 2:13 pm
I feel badly that I am not particularly interested in sports. It appears to be a common language for most people. So that disinterest really has isolated me over the years.
As an undergrad, I disliked drugs and wouldn’t drink alcohol until I was 21. Can you imagine?
In grad school, I didn’t like beer. And ate pizza with a knife and fork.
Always an Outsider! But delighted that there are common interests to bring people together.Simon Jester (c8876d) — 10/30/2022 @ 2:27 pm
@144. Agree. If you like the ‘game’ itself -HS and college football are much more ‘action packed.’ It’s just more fun ball.DCSCA (bc7cda) — 10/30/2022 @ 2:34 pm
60 Years Ago This Weekend: The Cuban Missile Crisis, October 27/28/29/30, 1962 – tick-tock, tick-tock–
Thermonuclear War defused…
On the morning of October 27, a U-2F piloted by USAF Major Rudolf Anderson, departed its forward operating location at McCoy AFB, Florida. At approximately 12:00 pm EDT, the aircraft was struck by an SA-2 surface-to-air missile launched from Cuba. The aircraft crashed, and Anderson was killed. Stress in negotiations between the Soviets and the US intensified; only later was it assumed that the decision to fire the missile was made locally by an undetermined Soviet commander, acting on his own authority. Later that day, at about 3:41 pm EDT, several US Navy RF-8A Crusader aircraft, on low-level photo-reconnaissance missions, were fired upon.
On October 28, 1962, Khrushchev told his son Sergei that the shooting down of Anderson’s U-2 was by the “Cuban military at the direction of Raul Castro”. At 4:00 pm EDT, Kennedy recalled members of EXCOMM to the White House and ordered that a message should immediately be sent to U Thant asking the Soviets to suspend work on the missiles while negotiations were carried out. During the meeting, General Maxwell Taylor delivered the news that the U-2 had been shot down. Kennedy had earlier claimed he would order an attack on such sites if fired upon, but he decided to not act unless another attack was made.
Forty years later, McNamara said: We had to send a U-2 over to gain reconnaissance information on whether the Soviet missiles were becoming operational. We believed that if the U-2 was shot down that—the Cubans didn’t have capabilities to shoot it down, the Soviets did—we believed if it was shot down, it would be shot down by a Soviet surface-to-air-missile unit, and that it would represent a decision by the Soviets to escalate the conflict. And therefore, before we sent the U-2 out, we agreed that if it was shot down we wouldn’t meet, we’d simply attack. It was shot down on Friday…. Fortunately, we changed our mind, we thought “Well, it might have been an accident, we won’t attack.” Later we learned that Khrushchev had reasoned just as we did: we send over the U-2, if it was shot down, he reasoned we would believe it was an intentional escalation. And therefore, he issued orders to Pliyev, the Soviet commander in Cuba, to instruct all of his batteries not to shoot down the U-2.
Robert Kennedy said after the U-2 was shot down and the pilot killed, he (RFK) told Soviet ambassador Dobrynin, “You have drawn first blood … . [T]he president had decided against advice … not to respond militarily to that attack, but he [Dobrynin] should know that if another plane was shot at, … we would take out all the SAMs and antiaircraft … And that would almost surely be followed by an invasion.”
Saturday evening, October 27. Kennedy suggested to take Khrushchev’s offer to trade away the missiles. Unknown to most members of the EXCOMM, but with the support of his brother the president, Robert Kennedy had been meeting with the Soviet Ambassador Dobrynin in Washington to discover whether the intentions were genuine. The EXCOMM was generally against the proposal because it would undermine NATO’s authority, and the Turkish government had repeatedly stated it was against any such trade. At Rusk’s request, Fomin and Scali met again. Scali asked why the two letters from Khrushchev were so different, and Fomin claimed it was because of “poor communications”. Scali replied that the claim was not credible and shouted that he thought it was a “stinking double cross”. He went on to claim that an invasion was only hours away, and Fomin stated that a response to the US message was expected from Khrushchev shortly and urged Scali to tell the State Department that no treachery was intended. Scali said that he did not think anyone would believe him, but he agreed to deliver the message. The two went their separate ways, and Scali immediately typed out a memo for the EXCOMM.
Within the US establishment, it was well understood that ignoring the second offer and returning to the first put Khrushchev in a terrible position. Military preparations continued, and all active duty Air Force personnel were recalled to their bases for possible action. Robert Kennedy later recalled the mood: “We had not abandoned all hope, but what hope there was now rested with Khrushchev’s revising his course within the next few hours. It was a hope, not an expectation. The expectation was military confrontation by Tuesday (October 30), and possibly tomorrow (October 29) … At 12:12 am EDT, on October 27, the US informed its NATO allies that “the situation is growing shorter…. the United States may find it necessary within a very short time in its interest and that of its fellow nations in the Western Hemisphere to take whatever military action may be necessary.”
To add to the concern, at 6:00 am, the CIA reported that all missiles in Cuba were ready for action. Later that same day, what the White House later called “Black Saturday”, the US Navy dropped a series of “signaling” depth charges (practice depth charges the size of hand grenades) on a Soviet submarine (B-59) at the blockade line, unaware that it was armed with a nuclear-tipped torpedo with orders that allowed it to be used if the submarine was damaged by depth charges or surface fire. As the submarine was too deep to monitor any radio traffic,the captain of the B-59, Valentin Savitsky, decided that a war might already have started and wanted to launch a nuclear torpedo. The decision to launch these normally only required agreement from the two commanding officers on board, the Captain and the Political Officer. However, the commander of the submarine Flotilla, Vasily Arkhipov, was aboard B-59 and so he also had to agree. Arkhipov objected and so the nuclear launch was narrowly averted.
On the same day a U-2 spy plane made an accidental, unauthorized ninety-minute overflight of the Soviet Union’s far eastern coast. The Soviets responded by scrambling MiG fighters from Wrangel Island; in turn, the Americans launched F-102 fighters armed with nuclear air-to-air missiles over the Bering Sea.
On Saturday, October 27, after much deliberation between the Soviet Union and Kennedy’s cabinet, Kennedy secretly agreed to remove all missiles set in Turkey and possibly southern Italy, the former on the border of the Soviet Union, in exchange for Khrushchev removing all missiles in Cuba. There is some dispute as to whether removing the missiles from Italy was part of the secret agreement. Khrushchev wrote in his memoirs that it was, and when the crisis had ended McNamara gave the order to dismantle the missiles in both Italy and Turkey.
At this point, Khrushchev knew things the US did not. First, that the shooting down of the U-2 by a Soviet missile violated direct orders from Moscow, and Cuban anti-aircraft fire against other US reconnaissance aircraft also violated direct orders from Khrushchev to Castro. Second, the Soviets already had 162 nuclear warheads on Cuba that the US did not then believe were there. Third, the Soviets and Cubans on the island would almost certainly have responded to an invasion by using those nuclear weapons, even though Castro believed that every human in Cuba would likely die as a result. Khrushchev also knew but may not have considered the fact that he had submarines armed with nuclear weapons that the US Navy may not have known about.
Khrushchev knew he was losing control. President Kennedy had been told in early 1961 that a nuclear war would likely kill a third of humanity, with most or all of those deaths concentrated in the US, the USSR, Europe and China; Khrushchev may well have received similar reports from his military. With this background, when Khrushchev heard Kennedy’s threats relayed by Robert Kennedy to Soviet Ambassador Dobrynin, he immediately drafted his acceptance of Kennedy’s latest terms from his dacha without involving the Politburo, as he had previously, and had them immediately broadcast over Radio Moscow, which he believed the US would hear. In that broadcast at 9:00 am EST, on October 28, Khrushchev stated that “the Soviet government, in addition to previously issued instructions on the cessation of further work at the building sites for the weapons, has issued a new order on the dismantling of the weapons which you describe as ‘offensive’ and their crating and return to the Soviet Union.”
On October 28, Kennedy participated in telephone conversations with Eisenhower and fellow former US President Harry Truman. In these calls, Kennedy revealed that he thought the crisis would result in the two superpowers being “toe to toe” in Berlin by the end of the following month and expressed concern that the Soviet setback in Cuba would “make things tougher” there. He also informed his predecessors that he had rejected the public Soviet offer to withdraw from Cuba in exchange for the withdrawal of US missiles from Turkey.
The US continued the blockade; in the following days, aerial reconnaissance proved that the Soviets were making progress in removing the missile systems. The 42 missiles and their support equipment were loaded onto eight Soviet ships. On November 2, 1962, Kennedy addressed the US via radio and television broadcasts regarding the dismantlement process of the Soviet R-12 missile bases located in the Caribbean region. The ships left Cuba on November 5 to 9. The US made a final visual check as each of the ships passed the blockade line. Further diplomatic efforts were required to remove the Soviet Il-28 bombers, and they were loaded on three Soviet ships on December 5 and 6. Concurrent with the Soviet commitment on the Il-28s, the US government announced the end of the blockade from 6:45 pm EST on November 20, 1962
October 28; The thirteen days marking the most dangerous period of the Cuban missile crisis end. Radio Moscow announces that the Soviet Union has accepted the proposed solution and releases the text of a Khrushchev letter affirming that the missiles will be removed in exchange for a non-invasion pledge from the United States.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis#cite_note-116DCSCA (9fc6c8) — 10/30/2022 @ 4:16 pm
And now I shall bask.Paul Montagu (753b42) — 10/30/2022 @ 4:32 pm
Seahawks 27, Giants 13.
RIP D.H. Peligro (63). Long time drummer for the Dead Kennedys.Rip Murdock (18c844) — 10/30/2022 @ 5:16 pm
In keeping w/t sports theme, when baseball legend Babe Ruth was Biden’s age… he’d been dead nearly 27 years.DCSCA (b32940) — 10/30/2022 @ 5:29 pm
Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva defeats President Jair Bolsonaro 50.9-49.1.Rip Murdock (18c844) — 10/30/2022 @ 6:01 pm
Pew: 45% of Americans Say U.S. Should Be a ‘Christian Nation’Rip Murdock (18c844) — 10/30/2022 @ 6:20 pm
I’m sincerely glad for whatever joy it gives you, but it’s kind of like basking in having a 105 IQ. Sure, it’s better than average — and the Giants, despite their record, are at best average — but it’s nothing to brag about.lurker (cd7cd4) — 10/30/2022 @ 7:00 pm
Ross chastain greatest last lap in nascar history and possibly all motor racing history and I am not a fan of him.asset (27b55d) — 10/30/2022 @ 10:39 pm
The difference between the right-wing nutter at Pelosi’s house and the left-wing nutter at Kavanaugh’s is that the latter called 911 on himself. That, and he didn’t actually break into the house and commit violence. Still, he was indicted for attempted murder, rightfully so.
The data in this link goes through 2020 and a bit of 2021, but there has been a major uptick in domestic terrorist attacks.Paul Montagu (753b42) — 10/31/2022 @ 8:56 am
Sure, when you catagorize psychotic leftists as right-wing it’s easy to skew the stats. Thanks for doing your part Paul.NJRob (8b2391) — 10/31/2022 @ 9:08 am
You’re contributing to a lie, my friend. You should knock it off.
The “psychotic leftist” who brought a hammer, duct tape and zip ties to Pelosi’s house and then assaulted Mr. Pelosi bought into right-wing nonsense such as QAnon quackery, 4Chan, Holocaust denial, Pizzagate, and wrote blog posts such as “It’s OK to be White”, and follows “leftists” like Tim Pool, Glenn Beck, DailyWire+ and the Epoch Times.Paul Montagu (753b42) — 10/31/2022 @ 10:21 am
You only buy into propaganda supporting your leftist agenda. No surprise you’d ignore the accurate reporting that doesn’t fit your imaginary narrative.
At least you’re not pretending to be a conservative anymoreNJRob (46839a) — 10/31/2022 @ 11:17 am
In the last year, he was more exclusively what can be called “right wing” This is where the verbal attacks on Nancy Pelosi come from and the probability is that he saw Nancy Pelosi as a villain.Sammy Finkelman (bd5436) — 10/31/2022 @ 11:17 am
Since 2015, right-wing extremists have been involved in 267 plots or attacks and 91 fatalities, the data shows. At the same time, attacks and plots ascribed to far-left views accounted for 66 incidents leading to 19 deaths.
Paul Montagu (753b42) — 10/31/2022 @ 8:56 am
in Portlandistan alone, there were over 100 straight nights of violent attacks on a federal courthouse and counter protesters in just 2020
of course, those were spinned as “demonstrations against police brutality and systemic racism” instead of what they actually were — domestic terrorism — so they don’t countJF (94b98d) — 10/31/2022 @ 12:37 pm
Federal indictment alleges that the guy wanted to kidnap Pelosi and tell the truth, else he would kneecap her.
What seems more plausible — a guy older than Biden ordering up a call boy while wife-y is out of town and things go horribly wrong, or some f-ing loon getting into the Pelosi manson, after having been inspired by years and years and years of conservatives painting Pelosi as a satanist villain?
Tiresome how badly folks don’t want their side to bear responsibility for anything.Appalled (62ae54) — 10/31/2022 @ 12:39 pm
@161. Yep. Something stinks about this…
Still NO answer on how the security at a multi-millionaire’s hovel in the wealthy, Tenderloin District of SF was breached by a dude in his skivvies w/a hammer.DCSCA (6c4c58) — 10/31/2022 @ 12:43 pm
And what “accurate reporting” would that be-any links?Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/31/2022 @ 12:53 pm
Appalled (62ae54) — 10/31/2022 @ 12:39 pm
this is reminiscent of the folks placing the focus on abortion laws with the 10 year old pregnant girl who was raped
the pelosi attacker should’ve been in jail for past offenses, including domestic assault, or a mental institution
looks like democrat soft on crime policies hit team pelosi, of all people
it wasn’t supposed to work out that way I guessJF (94b98d) — 10/31/2022 @ 12:58 pm
Here is the Federal indictment.
See how your conspiracies stack up. Also notice the quality of the people you would have storming the castle.
You say you want a revolution. Well, I don’t know…Appalled (62ae54) — 10/31/2022 @ 1:11 pm
From the DOJ Criminal Complaint and FBI Affidavit:Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/31/2022 @ 1:13 pm
Keeping to classy:Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/31/2022 @ 1:31 pm
“Iron man” (cnnsecuive major league games played) records.
These are the records
Phil Kessel hockey:
He also hit exactly 400 N.H.L. goals the same day.
Cal Ripken Jr. Baltimore Orioles played in 2,632 consecutive baseball games.
Q. 2,632 is more than 500 more than 2,130. Something is garbled here.
Football:Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 10/31/2022 @ 2:18 pm
Keeping it more classy:
Trump has since commented on the assault, but using it as a political talking point.
I don’t understand why people post and then nearly immediately delete tweets. They should be proud of their comments. Otherwise it just shows them to be cowards.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/31/2022 @ 2:20 pm
Biden? he has bad enough judgement to imagine he could do that.
That explains who got the hammer and how he got in. The police said in their first press conference that they were let in by a third person (unspecified) \
Bit actually that was wrong. It was none other than Paul Pelosi who opened the front door (Depape was not a very good criminal) but after that Pape began fighting him and the police could not stop it until he had injured him.Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 10/31/2022 @ 2:25 pm
It seems like Paul Pelosi’s s big mistake was that he stopped being cautious once he opened the door. He thought the intruder was tamed. But actually that made it into a now-or-never situation for Paper. In retrospect, Pelosi should have run out the front door.
I suppose the conspiracy theorists could switch to the question of why didn’t he do that from the current one of why didn’t he lock the bathroom door (it either did not have a lock or was too risky)Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 10/31/2022 @ 2:31 pm
Excuse me Rip,
What makes it an anti-lgbt conspiracy?NJRob (1d1d52) — 10/31/2022 @ 2:37 pm
right wing terroristColonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/31/2022 @ 2:39 pm
lodged in pelosi tailpipe
film at eleven!
@162. He’s Canadian.
But conspiracy? DOJ?? Ashli Babbitt remains unavailable for comment…
Still NO answer on how the security at a multi-millionaire’s hovel in the wealthy, Tenderloin District of SF was breached by a dude in his skivvies w/a hammer from the Pelosis.
And what of Hunter…
But weep for the Royalist who fails to explain why her SF castle was easily breached just like our Washington castle she left wide open for her podium pilfering; backs, praises and trusts the judgement of the fart in a windstorm who deliberately leaves the southern border equally wide open– hoping to be banished by him to the Vatican. The Wicked Witch of the West knows a new broom sweeps clean– the one coming next Tuesday should send her flying all the way to Rome.
“This is a conspiracy!” – ADA Tommy Chamberlain [Rudy Vallee] ‘The Bachelor And The Bobby-Soxer’ 1947DCSCA (e3588c) — 10/31/2022 @ 3:03 pm
You would need to ask Adam Wren.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/31/2022 @ 3:09 pm
172 followed by 173. asked and answered.Davethulhu (129a95) — 10/31/2022 @ 3:29 pm
You quoted that part so you obviously found it important. Why?NJRob (a647e1) — 10/31/2022 @ 4:31 pm
I thought it was important to include Wren’s characterization, showing his POV. If that characterization is untrue, please post links.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/31/2022 @ 4:55 pm
You’re lying, Rob, every word.Paul Montagu (753b42) — 10/31/2022 @ 5:25 pm
DePape left a written record of his right-wing extremism, and you’re denial in denying that.
@179. He’s Canadian:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaXsWQAI2j4DCSCA (aebdf9) — 10/31/2022 @ 5:35 pm
Game 3, World Series postponed; lousy weather in Philly.
There’s something to be said for questioning how MLB’s commisioner is scheduling the Fall Classic later and later these days. It once was chiefly an October event- “Reggie ‘Mr. October’ Jackson” and all that. This ever increasing ‘slide’ into November is pushing baseball way too deep into wet and chilly football territory.DCSCA (aebdf9) — 10/31/2022 @ 5:43 pm
172 followed by 173. asked and answered.
@173 is not an answer to anything. It is a glimpse into an unflushed toilet.nk (7d9380) — 10/31/2022 @ 5:43 pm
The conspiracy part is unlikely legally, and debatable colloquially. But the anti-lgbt part speaks for itself. If an attempt to falsely associate the perpetrator of a despicable violent crime with lbgt identity isn’t anti-lbgt, nothing is.
Imagine that right after a mass shooting at an elementary school a bunch of left wing activists started falsely accusing the shooter of being an evangelical Christian. You wouldn’t need anyone to explain why that’s anti-Christian. In fact, even if the shooter was evangelical Christian, it would still be anti-Christian to make an issue of it without evidence it was related to the crime. That would all be profoundly obvious to you in those circumstances, yet your tribal biases blind you to the same obviousness here.lurker (cd7cd4) — 10/31/2022 @ 6:04 pm
Absurd. But I expect no less.NJRob (eb56c3) — 10/31/2022 @ 6:37 pm
A Canadian, living as an anti-Christian nudist at a BLM commune and you’re trying to claim he’s a right-wing extremist. Shows how much you try and gaslight every step of the way. At least you aren’t pretending to be a conservative anymore.NJRob (eb56c3) — 10/31/2022 @ 6:38 pm
Nonsense. The homosexual interlude was used to explain why someone could be practically naked with Mr. Pelosi along in his house at 2am when they have cameras and security everywhere.
As for your straw about anti-Christian bigotry, that happens every time there’s a shooting incident. The left instantly calls the attacker a white-male, Christian and when it’s proven wrong the story disappears.NJRob (eb56c3) — 10/31/2022 @ 6:41 pm
Oh, come on, you guys! This guy you’re fighting about is a human being only by operation of law. “Right-wing” and “left-wing” do not apply to those accidents of evolution. They do not have the capacity to recognize, let alone adopt, such ideas.nk (7d9380) — 10/31/2022 @ 6:45 pm
The homosexual nonsense is pure sick fantasy from cesspool minds. If you want a real one, check out Roger Stone.nk (7d9380) — 10/31/2022 @ 6:53 pm
You’re still in denial because you’re denying his own written right-wing.
It’s pretty silly really, Rob, your feeling that a Canadian can’t be a right-wing extremist. Just as silly is your distorted view that Depape has some sort or exoneration-by-association (the opposite of guilt-by-association), that he’s somehow absolved of his right-wing extremism because he resides in the house of a Berkeley nudist. But hey, you gotta grab on to whatever you can to keep your Trumpy tribalist house of cards from collapsing.Paul Montagu (753b42) — 10/31/2022 @ 7:15 pm
This year’s WS got pushed back a week by a players strike, DC. Another couple days of inclement weather and the Philly / Allegheny County* schemes get real hard to pull off.
*Chef’s Kiss Diss by the non-Scaife hometown rag. Oof.urbanleftbehind (65e622) — 10/31/2022 @ 7:18 pm
This discussion reminds me of the No True Scotsman fallacy:
And I see Steven Pinker spotted the same thing in 2021.Jim Miller (85fd03) — 10/31/2022 @ 7:43 pm
You’re going to need some better conspiracy theories, Rob, because the cops have confirmed that the dude wound up in the house alone with Pelosi at 2AM with all that security because he broke in. With the hammer. As for the “practically naked” part, it’s arrant bullcr@p. And if some people* were merely explaining one bit of arrant bullcr@p with more arrant bullcr@p which just happened to vilify a group to which they’re politically and culturally opposed, that’s still bigotry plain and simple. Bigotry which you’re trying to excuse. You should be ashamed of yourself.
(*Some may indeed have relied on the bullcr@p pretext, but many others didn’t even bother with the fig leaf. They just went straight for the loathsome, salacious smears.)lurker (cd7cd4) — 10/31/2022 @ 8:46 pm
Just a reminder how the left treated Rand Paul when he was attacked.NJRob (eb56c3) — 10/31/2022 @ 9:03 pm
Nobody but the most smooth brained wingnuts actually believes that the assault was a gay hookup gone bad, but there are libs to be owned and humor to be derived from an octogenarian having his skull cracked.Davethulhu (129a95) — 10/31/2022 @ 9:49 pm
Nonsense. The homosexual interlude was used to explain why someone could be practically naked with Mr. Pelosi along in his house at 2am when they have cameras and security everywhere.
The idea that this was some Grindr hookup gone wrong, as opposed to the normal state of affairs in one of the worst behavioral sinks in the US, is sheer fantasy. I seriously doubt that Paul Pelosi was an exceptional case here. He’s just getting the most attention because one normally wouldn’t expect someone at that level of the nation’s elite to get his skull bashed in by some nutbag in his Fruit of the Looms, in his own house, no less.Factory Working Orphan (bce27d) — 10/31/2022 @ 10:41 pm
This was the source of “attacker in underwear”, they’ve since corrected their claim.Davethulhu (129a95) — 10/31/2022 @ 10:57 pm
Yeah, that’s vile. But broadbrushing works both ways. If one a-hole constitutes “the left,” than one a-hole constitutes “the right.” I know you don’t feel responsible for the worst behavior on the right, so what entitles you to hold all your political opponents responsible for the worst behavior on the left?
Pick a standard and live with it both ways.lurker (cd7cd4) — 11/1/2022 @ 1:06 am
There are some public figures who are on the verge of going into Alex Jones Sandy Hook territory, but they stop short of that.Sammy Finkelman (932d9f) — 11/1/2022 @ 2:49 am
The 3rd game of the World Series got rained out, but the sixth and the seventh, if necessary, will still be played n the same day as previously scheduled because the 5th game will be on a travel/bye day.Sammy Finkelman (932d9f) — 11/1/2022 @ 2:59 am
“Great” police work.
After the door was opened, (an interval of time may be missing here) they saw Paul Pelosi and David DePape struggling over a hammer. They told them both to drop it. Paul Pelosi let go, but David DePape did not. Because of that, DePape was able to hit Paul Pelosi several times over the head with the hammer and crack his skull.
The Pelosis, if they wanted to, could probably successfully sue the San Francisco Police Department.
This would explain the secrecy)Sammy Finkelman (932d9f) — 11/1/2022 @ 3:29 am
Yeah, that’s vile. But broadbrushing works both ways. If one a-hole constitutes “the left,” than one a-hole constitutes “the right.” I know you don’t feel responsible for the worst behavior on the right, so what entitles you to hold all your political opponents responsible for the worst behavior on the left?
Pick a standard and live with it both ways.
lurker (cd7cd4) — 11/1/2022 @ 1:06 am
As long as the left continues to insist that “it’s okay when we do it,” there’s no reason for the right to extend them the courtesy of not doing the same. Certainly not as long as “toleration of movements from the left and intoleration of movements from the right” forms the core of their ideology.Factory Working Orphan (bce27d) — 11/1/2022 @ 5:10 am
Pot. Kettle. Police your own.NJRob (26b4b1) — 11/1/2022 @ 5:20 am
Values and Morality are the opposite of Police Your Own.DRJ (b0685b) — 11/1/2022 @ 5:50 am
lurker (cd7cd4) — 10/31/2022 @ 8:46 pm
next time nk makes an allusion to gay tendencies by trump or trump supporters, which is a regular occurrence here, and sometimes funny, I’ll expect lurker to call it out
then again, lurker’s had numerous opportunities to do that, so we know what to expect when it comes to calling out a fellow biden voter
talk about tribalismJF (59ca9b) — 11/1/2022 @ 6:08 am
As long as the left continues to insist that “it’s okay when we do it,” there’s no reason for the right to extend them the courtesy of not doing the same.
Like either side has the option. The tips of the horseshoe (Patterico has a post up about that, BTW) behave the way they behave because that’s the only way they can behave. They are not capable of living up to a higher standard, and they use each other to justify their existence.nk (7d9380) — 11/1/2022 @ 6:12 am
next time nk makes an allusion to gay tendencies by trump or trump supporters, which is a regular occurrence here, and sometimes funny, I’ll expect lurker to call it out
Why lurker? Why don’t you call it out? I’ve got one @188 above.nk (7d9380) — 11/1/2022 @ 6:16 am
More lies from you, Rob, for your falsely accusing lurker (1) of being a Democrat and (2) that he somehow endorsed or failed to condemn that attack on Paul. Take the coke-bottle-thick hyperpartisan goggles off and embrace a few facts in your life.Paul Montagu (753b42) — 11/1/2022 @ 6:30 am
I don’t care what particular brand of crazy Pelosi’s attacker subscribed to. Crazy left and crazy right often look pretty much the same. What is noteworthy is the anxiety of certain right wing figures to construct and promote a conspiracy theory which has Mr. Pelosi (older than Biden) using a rent-a-boy service and then being assaulted.
You’d scuff your face up badly if you used that brand of Occam’s razor. So why are folks so anxious to do it?Appalled (03f53c) — 11/1/2022 @ 6:48 am
Why lurker? Why don’t you call it out? I’ve got one @188 above.
nk (7d9380) — 11/1/2022 @ 6:16 am
tribalist virtue signaling isn’t my forte, nk
but I’ll do betterJF (cb4f79) — 11/1/2022 @ 6:55 am
And Mobys everywhere screamed out in horrorNJRob (eb56c3) — 11/1/2022 @ 7:10 am
More dishonesty from you. I didn’t call him a Democrat. Are you calling him a Trump supporter? Because those are the one’s he’s policing.NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/1/2022 @ 7:12 am
They are not capable of living up to a higher standard, and they use each other to justify their existence.
nk (7d9380) — 11/1/2022 @ 6:12 am
There is no such thing as a “higher standard.” There’s living by consistent standards, or living by double standards. When the left quite literally argues that the double standard must be the biological foundation of their ideology, the right’s survival is dependent on recognizing it, and adapting to that political environment.Factory Working Orphan (046804) — 11/1/2022 @ 7:36 am
There is no such thing as a “higher standard.”
No, I agree with the horseshoe curve as described by Patterico. Most people, the vast majority, do unto others as they would have others do unto them. They do not descend into the sewer because the other side lives there. They’re the body of the shoe.
Where the horseshoe is imperfect as an analogy is that the horse needs the tips of its shoe but we don’t need ours. We can clip ours off and leave them in the scrap-metal pile. And maybe it’s just that I didn’t see it, but it seems to me that it’s only recently that we have not been doing that. That, instead, both sides have allowed the scrap to become significant. (I was going to write “allowed the scrap to become needful” but I don’t think they’re needful.)nk (7d9380) — 11/1/2022 @ 7:53 am
it’s amazing that so many who recognized and understood Reagan’s “Mutually Assured Destruction” mentality refuse to accept that basic fact. Either that or they are just another Brave Sir Robin.NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/1/2022 @ 7:54 am
What Reagan’s “Mutually Assured Destruction” mentality? There never was such a thing. Reagan’s mentality was “America is too great for small dreams”. It sure as hell never was “the Left and Right must preserve a stalemate or we’ll wipe each other out”, which is what mutually assured destruction means.nk (7d9380) — 11/1/2022 @ 8:01 am
Most people, the vast majority, do unto others as they would have others do unto them. They do not descend into the sewer because the other side lives there. They’re the body of the shoe.
Oh, please. There were people in this very comment section arguing that those who didn’t get the Fauci Ouchie should be denied medical care or that insurance shouldn’t help cover the bill, out of nothing more than sheer spite.
You’re not in a position to lecture anyone about moderation when you and a lot of commenters here we’re clapping along with every coercive measure enacted by the feds and various state governments to execute policies that caused actual social harm during the pandemic, and nodding your heads along to President Pudding Brain blaming it all on those same people, like he did in September of last year. And no, you guys didn’t do it for two weeks or two months, you did it for two YEARS.
You guys supported people losing their livelihoods for that refusal. You supported them being treated like biohazards and social pariahs. You supported school closures, demanded by the teachers unions, long after it became obvious that it was causing legitimate harm to childhood development across the board.
Middle of the horseshoe? Whatever. For all the bellyaching about tribalism you like to indulge in, you sure don’t have a problem with doing the same when it suits you. Talk about not living up to a “higher standard.”Factory Working Orphan (046804) — 11/1/2022 @ 8:28 am
You said “police your own”, so your dishonest implication is clear, Rob.Paul Montagu (753b42) — 11/1/2022 @ 8:33 am
You are deliberately lying. Par for the course.
Police your own means you Never-Trumpers. I don’t dare lump you in with Trump voters.NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/1/2022 @ 8:35 am
Rand Paul is a Republican, Rob. Your dishonesty continues.Paul Montagu (753b42) — 11/1/2022 @ 8:37 am
216… that’s how I remember it.
Pro tip: They don’t embarrass easy.Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/1/2022 @ 8:39 am
Actual election corruption and a real threat to our nation’s Republic.NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/1/2022 @ 8:41 am
Rand Paul isn’t a NeverTrumper Birdie. He understands how the sausage is made.
Tip. Lizzie Cheney is a NeverTrumper. She’s fired.NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/1/2022 @ 8:42 am
Any links to your “accurate reporting?”Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/1/2022 @ 8:56 am
This Pelosi incident would be playing out differently if Joe Biden, Democrats and their MSM operatives with bylines hadn’t used the incident to smear THEIR political opponents as violent subverters of our democracy… ignoring the perp’s background, his mental illness, his living in a BLM-supporting drug den, and the informed opinions of the people closest to him.Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/1/2022 @ 8:59 am
One can almost smell the desperation of the Democrats, as they find themselves a week away from a sound thrashing.Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/1/2022 @ 9:01 am
Rasmussen showing how leftists on Twitter try and label scientific polling misinformation to manipulate elections. Musk is gradually changing this destructive behavior.NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/1/2022 @ 9:01 am
maybe you should read the rest of the comments as I posted detailed reporting days ago.NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/1/2022 @ 9:01 am
Not quite true:Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/1/2022 @ 9:01 am
In other words, no links.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/1/2022 @ 9:02 am
the hilarious aspect of it is the leftists screaming in unison that Republicans should take down all their ads criticizing Pelosi and just allow leftists to have their ads run unchallenged.
They are truly losing their minds.
I do expect them to pull out all the stops to finish on top one way or the other. They are doing it to “save Democracy” after all.NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/1/2022 @ 9:03 am
if you refuse to read don’t blame me for your deliberate obtuseness.NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/1/2022 @ 9:04 am
I did not say “moderation”. I did not say “middle of the horseshoe. I said “most”, “the vast majority”, “the body of the horseshoe”.
Of course we, all of use within the range of normality, will always be “you” to the fringes. That’s what defines fringes.
And of course we will differ from each other. But we will still remain normal.nk (7d9380) — 11/1/2022 @ 9:07 am
Shellenberger is one of the few parties that actually visited the community and talked with Taub and neighbors. The accused lived at that location and in the decrepit school bus driveway sculpture for years. He did reside there. The guy is a well-known mentally ill person.Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/1/2022 @ 9:09 am
I did not say “moderation”. I did not say “middle of the horseshoe. I said “most”, “the vast majority”, “the body of the horseshoe”
This is just rhetorical smoke and an appeal to pedantry. The body of the horseshoe is literally between the ends, i.e., the middle.
Of course we, all of use within the range of normality, will always be “you” to the fringes. That’s what defines fringes.
And of course we will differ from each other. But we will still remain normal.
nk (7d9380) — 11/1/2022 @ 9:07 am
None of which refutes the fact that you happily indulged in the most tribalistic manner yourself when it suited you. You’re no less partisan or special pleading than the “extremes” you guys supposedly rail against, particularly when the right has the audacity to act in its own political interest once in a while.Factory Working Orphan (046804) — 11/1/2022 @ 9:42 am
I don’t know how much of AllahNick is behind the Dispatch paywall, but his “lawyering up” piece is informative in that, after episodes like the politically-motivated attack on Mr. Pelosi, partisans behave less like PR flacks and more like plaintiffs and opposing counsel. We do it the court of public opinion. On DePape.
More here.Paul Montagu (753b42) — 11/1/2022 @ 9:42 am
The problem is that DePape’s latest address is someone’s garage in Richmond, been there for several years. Shellenberger went to the wrong address if he was trying to look into the guy’s present state of mind.Paul Montagu (753b42) — 11/1/2022 @ 9:51 am
Here’s more from DePape’s Richmond neighbors, one of them being his landlord.Paul Montagu (753b42) — 11/1/2022 @ 10:07 am
Being mentally ill does not stop someone from being partisan or political.
Of course, political partisans are not responsible for every bad statement/act their fellow partisans say/do — unless they refuse to condemn it. Then it is a black mark on the partisans and the Party.DRJ (b0685b) — 11/1/2022 @ 10:18 am
Should Liz Cheney condemn Katie Hobbs for Hobbs’ bad statements on late term abortions?BuDuh (eb0d4e) — 11/1/2022 @ 11:19 am
Given the lack of a decent search function I am not going to take the time. You could easily provide links but you choose not to.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/1/2022 @ 12:26 pm
so, it turns out DePape is an illegal immigrant, since he overstayed his visa
yeah, I can see why he was so upset at democratsJF (48683e) — 11/1/2022 @ 12:37 pm
Supreme Court declines to block subpoena of Lindsey Graham in Georgia election probeRip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/1/2022 @ 12:37 pm
Seventy years ago today.
BOOM!Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/1/2022 @ 1:00 pm
She gets it.NJRob (ba8f28) — 11/1/2022 @ 2:31 pm
Lizzie Cheney endorsed another leftist that votes for the leftist agenda 100% of thw time in Ohio. This goes with her endorsements of several other radical leftists.
She’s proven again and again that the voters were right to jettison her and her party was right to kick her to the curb.NJRob (cb5502) — 11/1/2022 @ 4:30 pm
The Pelosi family will release the 911 call tomorrow and we should also see video.Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 11/1/2022 @ 4:33 pm
@243. BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!
Another extremely dangerous scenario of these tests was a concurrent Soviet series of tests at both Kapustin Yar and Novaya Zemlya, unleashing the greatest displays of combined megatons ever known. November 1 witnessed the carrying out of nuclear weapons tests by both sides on THE SAME DAY.
https://archive.org/details/OperationDOMINICNuclearTests1962DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 11/1/2022 @ 4:42 pm
It was Paul Pelosi who opened the door, but the source for this is Depape:
Instead of the cops, presumably.
DePape apparently thought that Paul Pelosi’s motive for trying to take the hammer away from him was to protect the cops.
It seems to me that Pelosi he released his grip on the hammer.Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 11/1/2022 @ 4:44 pm
OT- Congrats to SpaceX and the USSF on the successful launch of thir payload a top a FalconHeavy this AM.
Never grows old.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY628jRd6gM&t=1456sDCSCA (f4c5e5) — 11/1/2022 @ 5:02 pm
Every race to the bottom is populated with runners who insist “They started it!” I’d bet my 401(k) that at this very moment there’s a commenter on some left wing blog asserting the mirror image of what you claimed above. I don’t have the confidence I once did that we benighted normies can stop you and your leftist twins from dragging us all down with you, but we won’t pretend it’s OK. Principles matter. Norms matter. Decency matters. Living our best life with family, friends and neighbors of every political persuasion matters. Your belligerent tribalism su¢ks.lurker (cd7cd4) — 11/1/2022 @ 8:25 pm
After reading this, Mr. DePape reminds me of another right-wing loser, Cesar Sayoc, except Mr. Sayoc spread his assassination attempts across 14 victims instead of attacking a single subject. The account from Mr. Ciccarelli is interesting…
The other interesting part is this.
Does this mean he’s a citizen, or did he commit vote fraud because by lying about his eligibility?
Last comment. US Capitol Police dropped the ball, again.Paul Montagu (753b42) — 11/1/2022 @ 9:13 pm
Every race to the bottom is populated with runners who insist “They started it!” I’d bet my 401(k) that at this very moment there’s a commenter on some left wing blog asserting the mirror image of what you claimed above.
I provided a direct quote of the intellectual godfather of the New Left here a few days ago making the exact argument that the left needed to exercise a double standard because society was in a “clear and present danger,” (the exact words used by the current Dementia Patient in Chief just a few short weeks ago, if you recall) and it was dismissed as crankery by the usual suspects who are still butt-blasted that their precious political party got snatched out of their hands by a real estate carnival barker.
I don’t have the confidence I once did that we benighted normies can stop you and your leftist twins from dragging us all down with you, but we won’t pretend it’s OK. Principles matter. Norms matter. Decency matters. Living our best life with family, friends and neighbors of every political persuasion matters. Your belligerent tribalism su¢ks.
lurker (cd7cd4) — 11/1/2022 @ 8:25 pm
That might have had some heft if several commenters on this blog hadn’t spent a considerable amount of time dunking on people who didn’t take the COVID shots, gleefully clapped along to every restriction that was put in place, and whined when those restrictions were removed or ignored by red state governors. As it is, it just shows either a massive lack of self-awareness, or that your pretenses toward “principle” and “decency” are just a pose. Don’t act like you don’t marinate in “beligerent tribalism” when it’s convenient for you to do so. There’s no one dragging you down that you aren’t already going in that direction at your own leisure. So spare us the self-righteous twaddle about MUH NORMS and MUH DECENCY. You’re just as happy to hurt people you don’t like as anyone. The only difference is that I’m at least honest about it.Factory Working Orphan (bce27d) — 11/1/2022 @ 10:29 pm
Speaking of Covid shots…Paul Montagu (753b42) — 11/1/2022 @ 10:52 pm
I’ll add that the pundits who love to carry on about “norms and decency” were putting out books with titles like “Liberal Fascism” and “Useful Idiots” back when their faction was running the GOP. It’s pretty obvious that their devotion to such things was entirely situational, and adopted as a “principle” only when Republican voters started pushing them out.Factory Working Orphan (bce27d) — 11/1/2022 @ 10:58 pm
Speaking of Covid shots…
Paul Montagu (753b42) — 11/1/2022 @ 10:52 pm
Speaking as someone who did get the shot, I’m particularly proud of my Democrat-voting wife (well, Democrat-voting until Biden decided to blame her for keeping the pandemic going, LOL) for never taking a single COVID shot. We’re not going to give our kids those shots, either, and will homeschool them if they become required.Factory Working Orphan (bce27d) — 11/1/2022 @ 11:01 pm
@252 how many conservatives have died of covid and how many liberals. A million less votes for the republican party and counting.asset (c37f22) — 11/1/2022 @ 11:53 pm
So in response to me taking you at your word, you disregard my words and purport to tell me what I’m really thinking… and shocker!… I’m not being honest about it! I wish you had cut to the chase and just told me to eff off. It would have been no less civil, just as persuasive, and I’d have saved some reading time.
Out of curiosity, which tribe do I identify with and which tribe am I at war with? An example or two of me expressing that tribal animosity would be nice too. And no, what you’re certain I must be thinking on topics about which I’ve said absolutely nothing doesn’t qualify outside your imagination as belligerent tribalism.lurker (cd7cd4) — 11/2/2022 @ 12:06 am
Oh look. Lizzie Cheney on the stump for yet another leftist.
Remember when she pretended to be a conservative.NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/2/2022 @ 3:33 am
Lurker: “Principles matter. Norms matter. Decency matters. Living our best life with family, friends and neighbors of every political persuasion matters. Your belligerent tribalism su¢ks.”
I agree. It’s hard to even dignify the response that this generated. Just more obnoxious tribalism. You see, it’s not anything you said directly, but someone he thinks you might have some politial alignment….talking about Covid restrictions that you said nothing about. So, you are a hypocrite because of something someone else said because you must declare for a tribe and then own every goofy utterance offered by that tribe. And, then, he implies the only reason you say decency matters is because you’re mad about losing power to Trumpism. It’s hard to see how civil discourse can continue.
It’s patterico’s cardinal sins….misrepresenting someone’s opinion and then asserting a bad faith claim. It’s not someone who wants to have an actual conversation….sadAJ_Liberty (15d88c) — 11/2/2022 @ 3:52 am
Out of curiosity, which tribe do I identify with and which tribe am I at war with? An example or two of me expressing that tribal animosity would be nice too. And no, what you’re certain I must be thinking on topics about which I’ve said absolutely nothing doesn’t qualify outside your imagination as belligerent tribalism.
lurker (cd7cd4) — 11/2/2022 @ 12:06 am
You mean, why are you being included with the Dispatch crowd, with their same banal laments about “tribalism” as if their output during the Bush and Obama administrations never happened? Or your long-time habit here as website hall monitor which only ever seems to go in one direction? Because I’ve noticed that you certainly don’t ever scold certain commenters here for their broad generalizations and ad hominems of those whom they don’t like or disagree with. But you certainly indulge in it when it’s populists. Maybe this is why your protestations about “obnoxious tribalism” ring so hollow.
You see, it’s not anything you said directly, but someone he thinks you might have some politial alignment….talking about Covid restrictions that you said nothing about. So, you are a hypocrite because of something someone else said because you must declare for a tribe and then own every goofy utterance offered by that tribe. And, then, he implies the only reason you say decency matters is because you’re mad about losing power to Trumpism. It’s hard to see how civil discourse can continue.
As if anti-populism isn’t a tribal stance of its own.
It’s patterico’s cardinal sins….misrepresenting someone’s opinion and then asserting a bad faith claim.
No, it’s basic observation of internet board behavior.Factory Working Orphan (bce27d) — 11/2/2022 @ 5:08 am
Lizzie Cheney went full leftist. You never go full leftist.
At least she’s showing her true colors.
Birds of a feather.
She openly states that she wants the left to continue to run the country.
She was correctly dismissed by Republicans.NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/2/2022 @ 5:12 am
Liz always was a leftist – actually a climber, she has no core beliefs as many on both sides of the isle do, she just adopts what suits her best for her quest for power. Nancy Pelosi is a big believer in low taxes and capitalism, for her and her gay prostitute hunting husband, but not so much as for everyone else.EPWJ (650a62) — 11/2/2022 @ 5:30 am
It’s not hard.Paul Montagu (753b42) — 11/2/2022 @ 6:22 am
Liz Cheney is endorsing country over party, country over policy, country over tribe, country over the lying doofus at Mar A Lago. Her voting record speaks for itself, and it’s decidedly not “leftist”.
it a non-leftist voting record is the proof of putting the country first, then how does one justify endorsements of people with leftist (country last) voting records?
It seems your one metric destroys your argument.BuDuh (cd24dc) — 11/2/2022 @ 6:33 am
You finally found a “Republican” you can support publicly. Of course it’s one that says vote for leftists to keep them in power.
Funny how there are races in Washington that are in play, but you haven’t mentioned them once. Yet you love to harp on Seattle sports and say you’re from there.NJRob (9b4179) — 11/2/2022 @ 6:39 am
Paul Montagu (753b42) — 11/2/2022 @ 6:22 am
LOL the cheneys are about putting cheney above everything and anything
since the days of wmd, the gulf wars, enhanced interrogation and the Great Recession they’ve learned the lucrative art of failing upwardJF (067b66) — 11/2/2022 @ 6:41 am
Rob, your definition of “leftist” is so squishy and nonsensical it carries no meaning. It’s just a tribalist fart.
BuDuh, the clear dividing for Cheney was when Trump undermined our democracy (and it’s to do with his ongoing election fraud hoax), not unlike when Barr departed from Trump. Like I said, it’s not hard.Paul Montagu (753b42) — 11/2/2022 @ 6:43 am
The Electoral College keeps Paul from doing anything.BuDuh (cd24dc) — 11/2/2022 @ 6:44 am
Apparently it is since you cannot explain how endorsements of leftist voting candidates if putting the country first.BuDuh (cd24dc) — 11/2/2022 @ 6:46 am
Does this mean that I support or endorse any of those Democrats? No, but I won’t vote for an election denier like Tiffany Smiley for the US Senate.Paul Montagu (753b42) — 11/2/2022 @ 6:50 am
I’m pretty sure I already did, BuDuh. You’re just not listening.Paul Montagu (753b42) — 11/2/2022 @ 6:51 am
I don’t see anything you have written that explains any of that.
What you did write was an explanation that Cheney is country first because of her non-leftist voting record.
You also wrote that her endorsements (of leftist policy makers) are a result of her putting country first.BuDuh (cd24dc) — 11/2/2022 @ 6:55 am
Like I said, BuDuh, you’re not listening. What part of election denialism is unclear to you?Paul Montagu (753b42) — 11/2/2022 @ 6:57 am
What is the limit to voting for someone who you would not describe as a denialist? You are already pro late-term abortion candidates. Is there something even more gruesome that you would prefer?BuDuh (cd24dc) — 11/2/2022 @ 7:05 am
Republicans and independents support Smiley. Leftists support Murray.
But it makes sense to support the pro-crime, pro-homelessness, pro-child mutiliation candidate because something, something, derp. And still claim to be a Republican.NJRob (9b4179) — 11/2/2022 @ 7:10 am
Bad faith, BuDuh, for your mischaracterization.Paul Montagu (753b42) — 11/2/2022 @ 7:14 am
I already said that I don’t support or endorse the Democrat candidates, so I can’t be “pro late-term abortion candidates”. You should take that back and apologize.
As for your question, what part of country over policy is unclear to you?
For a guy what talks a lot of excrement, you sure demand a lot of apologies, paul.
Just sayin’…Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/2/2022 @ 7:17 am
Regrettably I cannot figure you out at all, Paul, so I have misunderstood your support for Liz who supports late term abortionists.
Good luck, and take care.
Once again I do apologize for any mischaracterizations.BuDuh (cd24dc) — 11/2/2022 @ 7:18 am
Speaking of listening, The Donkey Party needs to listen to George Will, that Biden-Harris should run in 2024. On Biden…
But he spends a majority of his words on Kamala, summarizing with this…Paul Montagu (753b42) — 11/2/2022 @ 7:19 am
It’s not about me, Haiku. Take it up with your comrades at the right edge of the horseshoe.Paul Montagu (753b42) — 11/2/2022 @ 7:23 am
If you’re not for Trump, you’re putting America first. It’s that simple.
It’s like voting for a verdict of guilty at the Julius and Ethel Rosenberg trial. You’re not voting for abortion, or homelessness, or transgenderism, or taxing Jeff Bezos, you’re voting against treason.nk (975258) — 11/2/2022 @ 7:25 am
The Right will always lack the Left’s and NeverTrump’s skills at effeminacy and disrespectfulness.Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/2/2022 @ 7:29 am
1929 World Series Champs: Phillies
1929 stock market crash
2008 World Series Champs: Phillies
2008: Financial Meltdown
2022 World Series Champs?
Say a prayer for teh Houston Astros!Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/2/2022 @ 7:35 am
Just like Epstein’s guards.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/2/2022 @ 9:49 am
I still have doubts that comes under the crime-fraud exception to the attorney-client privilege. It seems to me, in fact, that it turns it on its head. An attorney must conspire with the client to commit a crime or a fraud. Not to advise him that what he contemplates doing might be a crime or a fraud, even if the client disregards his advice.
Judge David Carter, Clinton appointee, recommended by Boxer and Feinstein. Of course. But I understand that Eastman chose him. Why? The tribunal to raise attorney-client privilege is the tribunal which issued the subpoena. The Congressional Committee.
I’m either missing something or this is another example of Kraken.nk (975258) — 11/2/2022 @ 9:52 am
Country First Liz Cheney’s favorite late term abortion candidate is a liar as well:
An excellent choice for the patriot to give her full fledged support.
#countryoverpolicyBuDuh (cd24dc) — 11/2/2022 @ 9:53 am
Speaking of treason, nk, Trump’s former campaign manager comes damn close, conspiring with a Russian spy by giving him internal “eyes only” polling data, and then fashioning a Kremlin-sanctioned Russian takeover of eastern Ukraine, known as the Mariupol Plan, named after the city that Putin later destroyed in order to “save”.Paul Montagu (753b42) — 11/2/2022 @ 9:56 am
Long piece, worth a full read.
“With less than a week until the 2022 midterm elections, and Democrats reeling from the shellacking they are expected to get, I read a news article that stated you [Nancy Pelosi] are wondering just how ‘anyone could vote for these people’ (meaning, Republicans). Allow me to answer what I presume was a merely rhetorical question. . . . We’re voting Republican because Democrats control every major city in America and—let’s face it—you suck at governance. Your cities are in shambles. They are hotbeds of crime and are always on the verge of bankruptcy. Your policies engender government dependence under the guise of compassion, encourage lawbreaking, and pit neighbors against one another in class and racial warfare.”
https://www.crisismagazine.com/2022/why-i-am-voting-republicanColonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/2/2022 @ 9:59 am
Little known fact: For some reason, birds often find the NYT of interest.Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/2/2022 @ 10:02 am
More DePape details:
While DePape is being held without bail, Charlie Kirk should put his money where his mouth is and lead a GoFundMe campaign to hire a a big name attorney.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/2/2022 @ 10:05 am
Only if they are not interested in conspiracy theories. 🙂Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/2/2022 @ 10:09 am
That was an excellent article Colonel.
Loved the closing paragraph as it really broight home that the left is just a bunch of delusional malcontents.NJRob (9b4179) — 11/2/2022 @ 10:17 am
I am looking forward to the expected shellacking of the Democrats, Rob. Holding these folks accountable would be a very good thing. Something that – through their actions and rhetoric – they wholly deserve.Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/2/2022 @ 10:46 am
Paul @289. If Trump had been reelected, Ukraine would already be a Soviet Socialist Republic once more.
Make America Great Again? I don’t think so. Make Russia Great Again is why Putin put him in.nk (975258) — 11/2/2022 @ 10:47 am
It was the Philadelphia Athletics who won the World Series in 1929. Also in 1930.
Also in 1913 – and there was a recession then, for which the only word was depression then (what happened in the 1930s was called at first the “Great Depression”
Coxey was going to march on Washington again – but the economic downturn was cut short by World War I spending. Or maybe it fizzled before.
https://www.massillonmuseum.org/jacob-coxeySammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 11/2/2022 @ 11:43 am
Paul Montagu (753b42) — 11/2/2022 @ 9:56 am
He wanted for Trump not to lose Putin’s support, so he gave him polling data (Putin anyway gave up a little before the election) and he wanted to string the Russians along with the idea that he could become a spy (because he owed money to Oleg Deripaska) but he had no intention of becoming a spy or agent of influence because he had no intention of taking a government job (it didn’t pay enough)Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 11/2/2022 @ 11:55 am
Make Russia Great Again is why Putin put him in.
nk (975258) — 11/2/2022 @ 10:47 am
nk, election denialistJF (a8c912) — 11/2/2022 @ 12:17 pm
That is exactly the federal crime of conspiracy that Mueller was investigating, Sammy. We’re in agreement that Manafort is a criminal who betrayed America.Paul Montagu (753b42) — 11/2/2022 @ 12:36 pm
Unfortunately for Mueller, the indicted Kilimnik stayed in Russia where there is no extradition treaty, and Manafort lied and obstructed to evade indictment.
Joey’s gonna give a Hail Mary speech from Union Station in Washington tonight at 7 PM EDT.
World Series Game 4 coverage begins on FOX at 7 PM, EDT.
Wrong play, wrong call, wrong sport, Squinty.
If you can’t be an athlete, be an athletic supporter, eh Joey.DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 11/2/2022 @ 12:41 pm
When Country First Liz Cheney’s isn’t peddling for late term abortion lying candidates she is gushing over the leadership skills of Pelosi.
#countryoverpolicyBuDuh (cd24dc) — 11/2/2022 @ 1:00 pm
I’m not sure why I’m supposed to care so much about who Liz Cheney is supporting. Clearly she is actively against election deniers and does not want Republicans to get in who, on the surface, appear ready to oppose election results if a certain Republican tells them to oppose or de-certify those results. Cheney is de facto a single issue voter in those cases and will undoubtedly hold her nose on opposition candidates’ other views that she disagrees with. National abortion policy is likely not resting on a handful of house races. The Senate will not have 60 votes for banning abortion or codifying Roe, so it’s not clear why any congressional election would make Cheney such a hypocrite to justify the GOP running her out of town and its continued obsession with needing someone to hate.
As per state offices, some can impact ultimately how abortion law settles…but the bigger factor is what voters want. Again, Cheney is prioritizing candidates who specifically are OK with that 2020 election was unfair despite having no evidence to support that claim. She’s concerned this conveys an authoritarian streak that creates much more of an institutional problem than an abortion position that is fundamentally limited by what is possible in the electorate.AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 11/2/2022 @ 2:31 pm
?BuDuh (cd24dc) — 11/2/2022 @ 3:11 pm
@303. Who??DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 11/2/2022 @ 3:28 pm
She wants socialists to considate power. Very conservative of her.NJRob (b16657) — 11/2/2022 @ 3:52 pm
Factory Working Orphan (bce27d) — 11/2/2022 @ 5:08 am
I have no idea, nor do I care, what “the Dispatch crowd” may have said 15 or 20 years ago. I agree with what they’re saying now about tribalism, and that doesn’t make them my tribe. I feel no compulsion to wage war on anyone who offends them, or me for that matter. Believe it or not, opposing tribalism doesn’t qualify one as a tribalist.
I wouldn’t expect you to have noticed — it’s not the sort of thing that would have triggered your amygdala — but the last person I “hall monitored” (I dispute that characterization too, but I’ll save that argument for another time), was one of our more leftward and, apart from that lapse, respectful and genial commenters.lurker (cd7cd4) — 11/2/2022 @ 5:59 pm
I Me Mine… I I I.Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/2/2022 @ 6:27 pm
https://www.nfl.com/news/former-49ers-general-manager-john-mcvay-dies-at-91Sammy Finkelman (ca3be5) — 11/3/2022 @ 8:36 am
282: You underestimate yourself.DRJ (b0685b) — 11/3/2022 @ 8:46 am
While the media and the left, BIRM, have focused 24/7 on the violence at Pelosi’s home to shut down conservatives, how many have discussed the attack I just linked, the Rubio supporter that was attacked canvassing for him or even the gun shots outside Lee Zeldin’s home? Are those due to left wing speech?NJRob (08fb6d) — 11/3/2022 @ 9:05 am
Forced to talk…….Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/3/2022 @ 9:31 am
There is no evidence that any of the assaults were politically motivated. Aside from Rubio himself (and the victim), no one has claimed the assault was because the victim was wearing a Rubio t-shirt and DeSantis hat. Police arrested one suspect immediately and recently arrested a second.
The shooting in front Zeldin’s home also had nothing to do with Zeldin, but he did organize a press conference around it.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/3/2022 @ 10:03 am
A candidate gets attacked at a debate and a canvasser gets attacked by a guy saying he isn’t welcome in the ‘hood due to support for Rubio, but that’s not political to you.
Hackery at its finest.NJRob (cbb1c0) — 11/3/2022 @ 10:06 am
For all we know he was attacked because of his race, or the fact that the victim was a former white supremacist.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/3/2022 @ 10:13 am
One wonders why the Proud Boys won’t allow the victim to be interviewed.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/3/2022 @ 10:16 am
Why aren’t the free speech supporters on the right opposing the cancellation of Kanye West (with the exception of Candace Owens)?Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/3/2022 @ 10:20 am
But a mentally ill nutjob attacks Pelosi’s husband and that’s due to “right wing” sppech and incitement.
Such a bad joke.NJRob (7088f7) — 11/3/2022 @ 10:20 am
Smearing 101 of a victim to support a leftist attack. Thanks Rip.NJRob (7088f7) — 11/3/2022 @ 10:21 am
Is Dan Snyder planning to sell the Washington Commanders?Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/3/2022 @ 10:25 am
I’ve told you before about the carjackers up here who claimed they attacked a guy for being a Trump voter when what they wanted was his 1968 Olds 442.
Another time, when the Mayor’s kid was mugged, the muggers said he took their money but and tried to make off with without giving them the drugs they wanted to buy from him. That’s a pretty common one, BTW.
The worst was a home invasion when they killed an old man living alone and their scumbag families said the old man was a notorious drug dealer, the scourge of the neighborhood, and the animals were vigilantes.
And of course there’s Charlie Kirk who is just a degenerate freak.
So don’t believe everything you hear about a perp’s motives for the crime.nk (55dbca) — 11/3/2022 @ 11:26 am
Kanye west is probably a down low Black Disciple as well as a tool of Farrakhan, F him. Another theory is that he was just a mark for Owen’s old man (to buy Parler off hom).urbanleftbehind (52c762) — 11/3/2022 @ 11:45 am
318… that’s all they have, Rob. Braying about an incident THEY blew all out of proportion that happened TWO YEARS ago, that nobody but the far-left and their pack mates give a sh*t about and conflating it with the attack on Paul Pelosi.
Pretty thin gruel.Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/3/2022 @ 11:56 am
Why aren’t the free speech supporters on the right opposing the cancellation of Kanye West
I oppose all Hollywood Blacklists.Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 11/3/2022 @ 12:42 pm
But a mentally ill nutjob attacks Pelosi’s husband and that’s due to “right wing” sppech and incitement.
This isn’t the whaddabout that bothers me. It’s that there is incitement and extreme “othering” on both sides, yet only one side is called on it. President Biden himself has, on several occasions, called his opposition not only disloyal, but “a clear and present danger” (the last a term of art that makes their politics suppressible by the state). If someone actually believed that Trump supporters were “a clear and present danger” to the nation, they could well feel justified in direct action. It’s happened before.Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 11/3/2022 @ 12:46 pm
Trump lawyers saw Justice Thomas as ‘only chance’ to stop 2020 election certification
Who cares what crazy fu*ks saw?Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 11/3/2022 @ 12:48 pm
Leftist media has lost the plot which leads to more people to reject them and vote for Republican candidates to stop this insanity.NJRob (06829f) — 11/3/2022 @ 1:46 pm
No different than smearing Paul Pelosi’s character.Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/3/2022 @ 1:54 pm
FiveThirtyEight now makes the Astros a 65 percent favorite to win the World Series.
(My apologies to a few of you for being on topic.)Jim Miller (85fd03) — 11/3/2022 @ 3:59 pm
By now the popcorn is getting a little stale……..Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/3/2022 @ 4:15 pm
Link to the lawsuit ……Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/3/2022 @ 4:38 pm
No different than Smirnoffing Paul Pelosi’s character.
A more pro-Porsche-inate response.DCSCA (eba2cb) — 11/3/2022 @ 5:19 pm
Donald Trump has a history of filing unfounded or frivolous retaliatory lawsuits, ust to sue. He learned this from Roy Cohn it is said.Sammy Finkelman (4134fa) — 11/3/2022 @ 7:27 pm
In a statement on Wednesday, Mr. Trump said that Ms. James is seeking to “go after my revocable trust and pry into my private estate plan, only to look for ways to recklessly injure me, my family, my businesses, and my tens of millions of supporters.”
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 11/3/2022 @ 4:15 pm
So, this lawsuit is going to “recklessly injure” Trump’s supporters? How could any so-called attorney could affix his/her name to such drivel?
Notice the way that Trump refers to his tens of millions of supporters to add some teeth to his argument. This is Al Sharpton’s Rent-A-Mob tactic taken to an extreme.norcal (a1f318) — 11/3/2022 @ 9:50 pm
That’s our Trump. All sound and fury signifying nothing. As feckless in this as he was in everything.
Of course, he’s got Leticia James pegged. She’s out to get him by hook or by crook. Mostly crook. She’s a vicious, unethical partisan politician, and not very nice either. No officer of the law.
BUT …! What kind of orange moron has his headquarters in enemy territory? He should have moved his and his corporations’ and trusts’ legal residences to Florida, and operated in New York as a foreign corporation. Like Amazon and Microsoft. On November 9, 2020.
What a jerk! What a dork! What a joke!nk (55dbca) — 11/4/2022 @ 5:23 am
On November 9, 2020.
2016, I meant.nk (f4e10f) — 11/4/2022 @ 5:59 am
Trump Watch: Day 2,187Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/4/2022 @ 6:46 am
Speaking of sports, Jeremy Pena is amazing.DRJ (4653e0) — 11/4/2022 @ 8:24 am
@338. Yup. The evil Astros are a juggernaut.lurker (cd7cd4) — 11/4/2022 @ 7:32 pm