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10/5/2022

Report: U.S. Intelligence Agencies Believe Parts of Ukrainian Government Authorized Car Bomb Attack That Killed Daughter Of Putin Ally

Filed under: General — Dana @ 12:48 pm



[guest post by Dana]

Back in August, I posted about the suspicious death of Daria Dugina, the daughter of noted Putin ally and ultra-nationalist Alexander Dugin. Today, the New York Times reports that U.S. intelligence officials now believe that, at least in part, the Ukrainian government authorized the car bomb that resulted in Dugina’s death:

The United States intelligence agencies believe parts of the Ukrainian government authorized the car bomb attack near Moscow in August that killed Daria Dugina, the daughter of a prominent Russian nationalist, an element of a covert campaign that U.S. officials fear could widen the conflict.

The United States took no part in the attack, either by providing intelligence or other assistance, officials said. American officials also said they were not aware of the operation ahead of time and would have opposed the killing had they been consulted. Afterward, American officials admonished Ukrainian officials over the assassination, they said.

As they did immediately after the death of Daria Dugina was announced, Ukraine officials have denied the assessment by U.S. intelligence agencies. However, “one anonymous senior military official told the outlet the country has carried out attacks on Russian officials in occupied Ukrainian territories, including Volodymyr Saldo, a Russian-backed leader in the Kherson region who was hospitalized after being poisoned in August.” Also, from the report, we do not know whether President Zelensky was aware of the attack beforehand, or which parts of the Ukrainian government, if any, were involved.

The report notes that the U.S. is now concerned attacks like these might cause Moscow to retaliate by carrying out similar attacks on Ukrainian officials, because Putin has been using restraint with Ukraine thus far…

Note that the NSC, CIA, and State Department have declined to comment on the matter.

–Dana

33 Responses to “Report: U.S. Intelligence Agencies Believe Parts of Ukrainian Government Authorized Car Bomb Attack That Killed Daughter Of Putin Ally”

  1. I feel like I need more information.

    Also, I don’t think it will make any difference on the battlefield, or even politically.

    Dana (1225fc)

  2. Since the aim was at the father — a legitimate political target in wartime — I don’t see the issue. We threw bombs at a lot of Iraqi houses trying to kill Saddam. He was never there, but others were, and not just Saddam’s allies.

    War is hell. You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I will. War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it.
    — William Tecumseh Sherman

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  3. The Moran Gang planned a ‘hit’??

    Golly. Imagine that. And the United States government is freely that government for this crap.

    Winter is coming… so is St. Valentine’s Day, eh, Capone?

    DCSCA (016b0d)

  4. The report notes that the U.S. is now concerned attacks like these might cause Moscow to retaliate by carrying out similar attacks on Ukrainian officials.

    This is a satire, right? To think that Putin has restrained himself so far, but THIS, yes THIS, pushes him to consider killing Ukrainian leaders. The sarcasm writes itself.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  5. ^free financing

    DCSCA (016b0d)

  6. The rats are rat-a-tat-tatting each other financed mostly by the US of A.

    War is good business.

    DCSCA (016b0d)

  7. I think it’s more that Biden fears retaliation against himself.

    “If someone comes to kill you, rise up and kill him first”
    –Talmud

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  8. I have seen the argument that whoever planted the bomb was aiming for her father, and got the wrong person because of a switch in cars. That seems plausible to me, but I see no way of proving it one way or another.

    Jim Miller (85fd03)

  9. Pfft DCSCA.

    You prefer your incompetent tyranny on the quiet. Ukraine upsets you because they fought back.

    Appalled (03f53c)

  10. Kevin @ 4,

    Did you see my added snark?

    As I said in the first comment, I need more information. I want to know *who* the officials are who made these statements. I want to know how filtered they are, too.

    Dana (1225fc)

  11. Repeating what I said in the open thread…even though I want Ukraine to kick Putin out of all of Ukraine, they’re not above reproach if they commit war crimes or assassinate civilians. I get the sentiment, the wanting to take out traitors, but not good. Stick to military targets, please.
    Also, this by no means implies an equivalency between the Ukraine and Putin, because there isn’t one.

    Paul Montagu (753b42)

  12. @9. Pffft– Bug Moran fought Capone, Appalled– but not with tommy guns financed freely by the United States Treasury. Something Big Al won’t forget.

    And as Capone would tell you: Winter is coming— and so is Valentine’s Day.

    DCSCA (8aec12)

  13. @11. They’ve pissed on Musk’s generosity, have contracts out for hits… and these gangsters are financed by US of A. It’s ‘Goodfellas’ w/a Ukrainian accent. Sober up, Paul.

    Ever seen the Ukrainian film, ‘A Friend Of The Deceased’ ???? Watched it again over the weekend. Whacking each other, ordering hits is so much a part of daily life it’s almost comical– to the point of making a movie about it.

    DCSCA (8aec12)

  14. incompetent tyranny on the quiet

    “Jackie, are you here? Where’s Jackie? I didn’t think she was – she wasn’t going to be here,” – Squinty McOuijaboard

    DCSCA (8aec12)

  15. Putin seizes Europe’s largest power plant, signs laws annexing Ukraine regions despite military losses: Live updates

    Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree Wednesday claiming ownership of the beleaguered Zaporizhzhia power plant even as the director of Ukraine’s nuclear power company said he will assume operations of Europe’s largest nuclear facility. The announcement came hours after Putin signed laws annexing the Zaporizhzhia region. Earlier in the day, Energoatom chief Petro Kotin said he will be running the Russian-held plant from the capital Kyiv. -USAToday.com

    “Possession is nine tenths of the law”– eh, Vlad?

    “Damn it feels good to be a gangsta!!!!”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIoPlLEXM2Y&t=2s

    DCSCA (8aec12)

  16. If Putin hadn’t criminally invaded Ukraine, Dugin’s daughter would be alive today, along with tens of thousands of her fellow Russians.

    Paul Montagu (753b42)

  17. People never fully understood the rationale behind Stalin’s periodic purges. In particular, that for ordinary Russians, knowing that their leaders themselves will eventually be killed or “erased”, is one of the small pleasures that keeps them going.

    nk (954500)

  18. “They’ve pissed on Musk’s generosity”

    Musk was paid 100% for the starlink stuff.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/08/us-quietly-paying-millions-send-starlink-terminals-ukraine-contrary-spacexs-claims/

    Davethulhu (204c9e)

  19. @18. Lest you forget- He did NOT have to do it. And he was paid with what: U.S. $$$– which is financing and propping up the frigging Ukraine gov’t ops.

    This is just nuts; Ukraine is a deleted scene from ‘Goodfellas.’

    DCSCA (67c56e)

  20. Musk was paid 100% for the starlink stuff.

    Musk’s prize-winning team is the lobbyists who get government contracts for his businesses.

    nk (954500)

  21. If Putin hadn’t criminally invaded Ukraine, Dugin’s daughter would be alive today, along with tens of thousands of her fellow Russians.

    If LBJ hadn’t lied and criminally invaded Vietnam, 58,000 Americans would be alive today, along with tens of thousands of Vietnamese… if JFK hadn’t gone to Dallas… if Marina had just rolled over… if the crew aboard Eastern Flight 401 hadn’t obsessed over a light bulb… if George Raft hadn’t turned down the lead in Casablanca… If Ike hadn’t overthrown the democratically elected Prime Minister, Mosaddegh in 1953… If NASA hadn’t criminally ignored the o-ring and foam engineering warnings… if Nungesser and Coli hadn’t crashed… and if wishes were horses beggars would ride.

    DCSCA (67c56e)

  22. I want to know *who* the officials are who made these statements.

    Either someone who dislikes all the spending in Ukraine and not on his pet projects, or just someone who’s trying to show how important s/he is.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  23. Kevin @ 4,

    Did you see my added snark?

    For some reason I did not.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  24. “He did NOT have to do it.”

    It’s impossible for Musk to not insert himself into current events.

    Davethulhu (204c9e)

  25. the Saudis just bit-h-slapped him today; Putin keeps pissing in his Ovaltine and Ukraine keeps picking his pockets– and what does Joe proclaim on videotape amidst the wreckage in Florida????:

    “Nobody fvcks with a Biden.”- Squinty McBlusterboob

    “Putin knows, if I am president of the United States, his days of tyranny and trying to intimidate the United States and those in Eastern Europe are over. I’m going to stand up to him; he’s a bully… Vladimir Putin doesn’t want me to be President. He doesn’t want me to be our nominee. If you’re wondering why — it’s because I’m the only person in this field who’s ever gone toe-to-toe with him.” – Squinty McBlusterbum

    IDIOT.

    DCSCA (67c56e)

  26. operation daybreak, adm. yamamoto,mosadek patrice lumuba and allende are just a few of ours.

    asset (d0ccfc)

  27. Aw, for crying out loud, asset! We don’t need no “precedents”. How many bombs have the Russians dropped all over Ukraine killing how many civilians?

    nk (954500)

  28. I want to know *who* the officials are who made these statements.

    Either someone who dislikes all the spending in Ukraine and not on his pet projects, or just someone who’s trying to show how important s/he is.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 10/5/2022 @ 4:24 pm

    Trump holdovers. As corrupt and traitorous as their fairy godmother.

    nk (954500)

  29. “Parts of the Ukrainian government” did authorize the strike, and they shouldn’t have done it.

    An even more disastrous authorization was when a warmongering Putin ordered a full-scale invasion on Ukraine, and his decision cost tens thousands (maybe hundreds of thousands) of Russian and Ukrainian lives.

    I expect Tucker will hit the Dugina story hard tonite because his schtick is to tacitly defend Putin by blaming America first. And speaking of FoxNews propaganda that aligns with Putin, Mr. Saletan has an excellent detailed rundown, showing 20 examples of FoxNews hosts taking the Putin storyline or giving the Russian war criminal a leg up.

    A principled American conservative TV network might advocate a muscular response to this behavior. At a minimum, it would tell the truth. But Fox News is unconstrained by such principles. In primetime hours, it has become a platform for propaganda that serves Putin and undercuts Ukraine.

    During the day, you can find many Fox News hosts and guests who speak candidly about Putin’s war crimes and the importance of American resolve. But the hosts who control three of the four hours between 8:00 p.m. and midnight on the East Coast—Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingraham, and Greg Gutfeld—are peddling arguments that coincide with Putin’s interests. So are several other Fox hosts.

    Principled? No.
    American? Possibly.
    Conservative? Not anymore.

    Paul Montagu (753b42)

  30. @27. “We”

    Who is ‘We’? We The People??? Nobody in Congress voted authorization to wage war against Russia.

    But then, “Nobody fvcks with a Biden.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7y5UsBCtvk

    Except everybody does– for the right price- ‘We’ know what he is– it’s just a matter of haggling over the amount.

    DCSCA (de276d)

  31. Here is an interesting take on how things end in the Ukraine.

    https://snyder.substack.com/p/how-does-the-russo-ukrainian-war

    Appalled (6a74ff)

  32. I can understand why Elon Musk would want Ukraine to surrender (if I was the richest man in the world, I’d hate to see the world blow up), but would that even work? Wouldn’t that just mean that Putin would use the same ploy against the “Nazis” in Finland or the Baltic states?

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  33. DCSCA (016b0d) — 10/5/2022 @ 1:17 pm

    The Moran Gang planned a ‘hit’??

    There are some radical extreme nationalists in the Ukrainian government.

    The United States suspects some part of the Ukrainian government, probably because of a lack of other suspects. The U,S, stresses it did not help, and that this kind of target makes no sense.

    It’s one thing to kill Russian officials on Ukrainian territory, or Ukrainians who have joined in an administration — or Russian generals — this maybe gets them to run away faster. I think the NATO and the U.S. does not necessarily approve but it wouldn’t fight that — but that has caused “collaborators” to flee because people don’t know who will be targeted.,

    It’s another thing to attack people in Russia not directly involved in the conflict . Do they want Russia to start doing this, too?

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)


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