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Kasparov: The Time For Half-Measures Is Over If The War Is To End

Filed under: General — Dana @ 11:23 am

[guest post by Dana]

As Germany refuses to provide Ukraine with much-needed battle tanks, Garry Kasparov warns that this is not the time for half-measures or concessions, rather this is a time for nothing less than decisive action:

It’s time again to talk about goals of the war. To say loud and clear that Ukraine’s territory must be 100% liberated of Russian invaders. That there can be no way back to normalcy for Russia with Putin the war criminal still in charge.

Russians are resisting Putin’s desperate mobilization and Ukraine is winning. It’s time to finish the job, to give Ukraine everything and Putin nothing. But Western allies are still holding back despite Russia’s open transformation into a fascist dictatorship.

The winds of freedom are drifting across the globe. Iran, Dagestan, people are inspired directly and indirectly. If Ukraine can defeat Putin, dictators aren’t invincible. Even Serbia won’t recognize Putin’s illegal annexations, not wanting to back a loser.

Putin’s loyalty for benefits contract with the Russian people has been broken on the rock of Ukraine’s resistance. What’s the point of his domestic violence, his foreign terror now? There’s no payoff for the bureaucracy & siloviki anymore, just escape or isolation.

Putin is escalating as always, hoping to bluff out of a lost situation. Concessions will encourage more aggression. Ukraine must get everything it needs to press the advantage, now. That’s my message here in Germany, that half-measures are over if the war is to end.

Of course, it wasn’t a coincidence that Kasparov made his comments from Germany:

Chancellor Olaf Scholz of Germany gets right to the point when asked why his country will not send battle tanks to Ukraine: It is “a very dangerous war,” he said.


“We are supporting Ukraine…We are doing it in a way that is not escalating to where it is becoming a war between Russia and NATO because this would be a catastrophe.”


Mr. Scholz has refused to provide Ukraine with Leopard battle tanks or Marder infantry fighting vehicles, which Ukrainian officials have repeatedly asked for. As they pivot from a defensive posture to an offensive one in the south, Ukrainian forces need tanks to break through defensive lines and recapture more territory before winter and, as Ukraine’s foreign minister, Dmytro Kuleba, put it, “liberate people and save them from genocide.”

Mr. Scholz’s refusal — which goes against the will of many even inside his own governing coalition — has earned him noisy and near-unanimous criticism among Germany’s Eastern European neighbors, not least in Ukraine. Commanders along the front say the Germans’ reluctance to provide battle tanks points to a policy of seeking a negotiated settlement along existing lines, rather than a Ukrainian success in pushing out the Russians.

As a reminder, back in January, when Russia amassed 100,000 troops along its border with Ukraine and fears of an invasion peaked, Germany offered to send…5,000 helmets.

Anyway, it’s ironic that it is Germany that refuses to send badly needed battle tanks which could actually help prevent the genocide of Ukrainians. This despite the announcement of a dramatic change in Germany’s foreign/security policies in February 2022 (Zeitenwende).


51 Responses to “Kasparov: The Time For Half-Measures Is Over If The War Is To End”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (1225fc)

  2. In 1984 when Kasparov became a member of the Communist Party. [A full-fledged part of what Reagan labeled, ‘the EWvil Empire.’] He has been participating in politics since then and a member of the opposition in the Russian government and wanted to take in the presidential race in 2008 but was disqualified as he lacked the minimum number of supporters. He is currently active in politics and is the chairman of the Human Right Federation and is the chairman of Renew Democracy Initiative.

    As of September 2022, Garry Kasparov has an estimated net worth of around $6 million. He acquired his high level of wealth from being a successful chess player and holding the world championship for a long time. He also owns several businesses which are run by his wife, the Kasparov International management. He also joints politics after he retired from playing chess, which has increased his net worth.

    “It’s time” for Kasparov to put up— oh, say $6 million, ‘camo-up’… or shut up.

    DCSCA (acb3da)

  3. Frankly, Kasparov is too timid. I see the over/under on “NATO enters the war” at about 6 months.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  4. I’ve got nothing nice to say about Germany’s ridiculous energy policy and their tacit support of Putin by slow-walking weapons to Ukraine. Good golly.

    Paul Montagu (753b42)

  5. In 1984, a Russian was either a member of the Communist Party, or “little people.”

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  6. @5: That Germany uses eminent domain to dig more coal mines then lectures everyone on global warming is risible. That they shutter nuclear plants while being threatened by Russian gas shutoffs means that every death next winter is the government’s fault.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  7. As Germany refuses to provide Ukraine with much-needed battle tanks……

    As does the United States.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  8. That they shutter nuclear plants while being threatened by Russian gas shutoffs means that every death next winter is the government’s fault.

    Germany to Keep Last Three Nuclear-Power Plants Running in Policy U-Turn

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  9. @6. He’s been seeing ‘red’ all his life- he was a full-fledged ‘Reagan Evil Empire Communist’ joining the party by choice and been bitter- especially after he lost his bid for elected office…

    His beef is personal w/Putin:'[In] September 2007, Kasparov entered the Russian presidential race, receiving 379 of 498 votes at a congress held in Moscow by The Other Russia. In October 2007, Kasparov announced his intention of standing for the Russian presidency as the candidate of the “Other Russia” coalition and vowed to fight for a “democratic and just Russia”. Later that month he traveled to the United States, where he appeared on several popular television programs, which were hosted by Stephen Colbert, Wolf Blitzer, Bill Maher, and Chris Matthews.

    In November 2007, Kasparov and other protesters were detained by police at an Other Russia rally in Moscow, which drew 3,000 demonstrators to protest election rigging. Following an attempt by about 100 protesters to march through police lines to the electoral commission, which had barred Other Russia candidates from parliamentary elections, arrests were made. The Russian authorities stated a rally had been approved but not any marches, resulting in several detained demonstrators. He was subsequently charged with resisting arrest and organizing an unauthorized protest and given a jail sentence of five days. Kasparov appealed the charges, citing that he had been following orders given by the police, although it was denied. He was released from jail on November 29. Putin criticized Kasparov at the rally for his use of English when speaking rather than Russian.’ -source,

    Ex-pats like K and Boot wield grudge baggage; we saw this from the Iraq/Iran ex-pats testifying before Congress back in the day, pushing Americans to finance ‘kinetic’ retribution action as well. They’d have more street-cred if they liquidated assets, left the armchair safety behind, camoed up and went full Rick Blaine.

    “Welcome back to the fight. This time I know our side will win.” – Victor Laszlo [Paul Heinreid] ‘Casablanca’ 1942

    DCSCA (acb3da)

  10. Interesting if true…..
    In a discussion on September 19 with Pentagon reporters, a reporter for NPR mentioned that a Ukrainian delegation had visited Washington D.C. and pushed for the U.S. government to provide tanks to Ukraine. A senior defense official replied that the Biden Administration was constantly looking at what Ukraine needed at that particular moment, and also what it would need further down the road. “Tanks are absolutely on the table along with other areas,” the unnamed official said.

    ……… The Pentagon is only contemplating such an escalation in aid due to Kyiv’s successful counteroffensive into Kharkiv and Kherson, which have freed more than 3,000 square miles of formerly occupied territory.
    Modern NATO-style tanks, which the Pentagon was clearly referring to, are decades more advanced than most tanks on the Ukrainian battlefield (the lone exception being a handful of Russian T-90M tanks.) NATO primarily fields the American M1A2 Abrams series of main battle tanks and German Leopard 2 tanks. These tanks include 120-millimeter main guns; advanced fire control and passive infrared night vision; and better engines, transmissions, and suspension systems. NATO tanks are faster, much more efficient killers than Ukraine’s existing tanks.
    Ukrainian tankers and tank maintainers, though they may have mastered their T-64 and T-64BM tanks, would have to relearn most tasks. They would also have to learn how to operate and repair a whole new level of electronics, including central computer systems, infrared sensors, ballistic computers, and digital communications equipment. It would take months to retrain even seasoned Ukrainian tank units with American tanks.

    …….NATO tanks use 120-millimeter tank ammunition and 7.62-millimeter machine gun ammunition, incompatible with current Ukrainian tank ammo. The American M1A2 Abrams tank also uses a gas turbine engine, which would require regular shipments of gasoline fuel to the front. Finally, a shift to NATO equipment would make Ukraine reliant on NATO for supplies, giving NATO a veto on Ukraine’s military actions…….
    ……..Of the two main NATO types, the Leopard 2 appears out of the running. Germany’s ruling coalition has refused to provide modern, Western tanks, and even if another country decided to donate theirs, the Ukrainians would still be reliant on Germany for ammunition and spare parts. The United States would likely send the M1 Abrams tank. One option is to send older tanks, particularly the 200 M1A1 Abrams tanks recently retired by the U.S. Marine Corps. …….

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  11. DCSCA,

    I note with interest your thoughts on Mr. Kasparov not having done enough for his POV on Putin. (I think he’s done enough to avoid standing around windows and carrying a geiger counter for personal security).

    Next time I see you posting about the need to storm the castle, I ‘ll consider your thoughts deeply. And wonder what steps you are planning for the populist revolution.

    Appalled (03f53c)

  12. @12. =yawn= Chess players are strategic opportunists. They will play against either side, black or white.

    DCSCA (87a63a)

  13. Perhaps if the administration keeps posturing and forcing Putin further into a corner, perhaps the clapping, barking seals like our SoS will see the fruits of their labors.

    Colonel Haiku (17b3b0) — 9/26/2022 @ 9:52 am

    Those are some persuasive points, Colonel Lindbergh Haiku. Every American should be ashamed of our merciless bullying of that poor, cruelly maligned Mr. Putin. Have you thought about starting an organization around it? You could call it… just spitballing here… America First?

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  14. (Oops. Wrong thread, though fortuitously on topic. I’ll repost in the Weekend Tread where CH made the comment to which it responds.)

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  15. Russia does have its own problems with Nazis, it appears.

    Paul Montagu (753b42)

  16. All yer nuclear war is ours!, cries teh lurker

    Colonel Haiku (17b3b0)

  17. @12. A Royalist Lament; it puts folks in good company, Appalled;

    Storm the castle:

    I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. Thomas Jefferson, 1787

    DCSCA (b37c1a)

  18. All yer nuclear war is ours!, cries teh lurker

    Colonel Haiku (17b3b0) — 9/26/2022 @ 3:38 pm

    Sure, CH. Wanting to help Ukraine defend itself from Putin’s genocidal predations makes one a warmonger. In other news, up is down and black is white.

    You may want to review Lindbergh’s opposition to our standing behind the victims of Hitler’s project of European subjugation. The resonance is stark.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  19. I have a hard time understanding this. We have given the Ukraine 60 billion dollars. Or is itm more? Why can’t the USA send them American tanks? Its been six months.

    Further, the UFA tankcrews would have to learn how to operate the American/German Tanks, and they’d have to get their mechanics up to speed on how to fix/maintain them. And there’s also the issue of ammunition compatability. Its not like this German/american tanks can go into the battle the day they get there.

    I guess some poeple just like to bash the germans.

    rcocean (fd8511)

  20. #19 lurker – Three things that are not well-known about that era: Lindbergh had three German families, as well as his American family.

    German agents were paying some American congressmen to spread propaganda, before we entered WW II.

    JFK was sent to the South Pacific in part to get him away from an affair he was having with a Danish woman, who it was feared was a Nazi agent.

    (It wasn’t just the Soviets who were trying to undermine our democracy, then.)

    Jim Miller (85fd03)

  21. Why can’t the USA send them American tanks? Its been six months.

    I agree that it would take too long to train Ukrainian tank crews to be immediately effective. It would be much easier to just send US Army armored brigade combat teams.

    Oh wait, they are already there.

    Just kidding.

    Rip Murdock (5192cb)

  22. @19. America First orgins are to a policy stance in the United States that generally emphasizes nationalism and non-interventionism. The term was coined by president Woodrow Wilson in his 1916 campaign that pledged to keep America neutral in World War I.

    That went well =sarc=. Can’t imagine why post WW1 Americans would seek to avoid any involvement in another European conflict after the massive and costly slaughterfest of the First World War. America ain’t the world’s policeman.

    And lest you forget- once Japan attacked, Charles Lindbergh attempted to join the military and eventually flew combat missions, via the contractors in the Pacific, and taught American pilots how to extend the range of their planes and conserve fuel. But what did he know about flying long distances w/limited fuel, right? See ‘The Wartime Journals of Charles Lindbergh’ for detail; an excellent and vividly detailed chronicle.

    @21. Actually, knowledge of Lindy’s “secret families” surfaced after ‘that era’ and after his death.

    DCSCA (b37c1a)

  23. Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, September 25 Special Edition on Russian Mobilization
    Russian senior officials and Kremlin mouthpieces were ridiculing the idea that Russia would invade Ukraine right up to the start of the invasion itself. Putin had made no effort to prepare his population for a war—apparently, even some Russian military personnel involved in the invasion were surprised when what they had thought was a training exercise turned out to be an actual attack. Putin has steadfastly continued to refer to the invasion as a “special military operation” rather than a war, moreover, and has not been setting informational conditions in Russia to prepare his people for this involuntary mobilization.

    Putin’s informational failures in this regard are especially important because there are no Ukrainian or NATO troops on Russian soil and no threat of any invasion of the Russian heartland. This is not 1812, 1914, or 1941. The factors that drove popular mobilization in previous Russian wars are simply absent in this aggressive war of choice, however Putin frames it to his people. The World War II example of Russians rallying to the flag is particularly inapposite. The Nazi invasion was a literally existential threat to the existence of Russia and part of an overtly genocidal campaign to enslave those Soviet citizens it did not kill. The current conflict is as far from that reality as any war could be, and no rhetorical sleight of hand can replace the brutal realities of the Nazi armored advances as a spur to fight.

    Russia will mobilize reservists for this conflict. The process will be ugly, the quality of the reservists poor, and their motivation to fight likely even worse. But the systems are sufficiently in place to allow military commissars and other Russian officials to find people and send them to training units and thence to war. But the low quality of the voluntary reserve units produced by the Russian Combat Army Reserve and volunteer battalion efforts is likely a reliable indicator of the net increase in combat power Russia can expect to generate in this way. This mobilization will not affect the course of the conflict in 2022 and may not have a very dramatic impact on Russia’s ability to sustain its current level of effort into 2023. The problems undermining Putin’s effort to mobilize his people to fight, finally, are so deep and fundamental that he cannot likely fix them in the coming months—and possibly for years. Putin is likely coming up against the hard limits of Russia’s ability to fight a large-scale war.

    Rip Murdock (5192cb)

  24. The Russians and Germans double-crossed each other in the WWII years. Russia has hated on Germany ever since, even though a fair minded person might think they deserve each other.
    That long seated animus would make Germany #1 target in the Russian dept. of rectifying old griefs. It is my opinion that Moscow would much rather nuke Germans than Americans

    steveg (d3a788)

  25. Putin is not stalin. He is al capone. His loyalty comes from his fellow crime family members who benefit from his power. Their is no communist party members blindly following party orders. As we can see everyone is acting in their own self interest. If they can the crime family will eliminate him if he lets down his guard. Hit attempts have already been made.

    asset (5ec7ec)

  26. #26

    I would look bak at Russian history to try to figure out Putin — not US Crime history. Putin probably looks more to the Tsars for his model than Soviet history. Unless you are an expert — I would not try to put him into a US box.

    Appalled (3ef453)

  27. @26. Yep. A territory fight between corrupt gangs; w/ Zelinsky in the role of Bugs Moran. And the Feds are furnishing tommy guns.

    DCSCA (24bea3)

  28. 19… you should give some thought to the need for the administration to do all it can to bring them both to the table, talk of and promote peace, friend.

    Colonel Haiku (0416b6)

  29. 29, if you truly didn’t forget the /sarc sign-off, that’s far more profound a sentiment than “.Camo Up”.

    urbanleftbehind (f8327d)

  30. Kasparov might appreciate this possible US chess move.
    Scroll down Shellenberger’s thread and you’ll see Sikorski (husband of Anne Applebaum) saying “Thank you, USA.”
    Maybe Biden is sending a “f-ck you” to Putin for his nuclear threats and war crimes, and a “f-ck you” to Scholz for his stupid nuclear energy policy, for continuing to buy Russian fossil fuels and for sending d-ck to Ukraine in military aid.
    Even though blowing up both Nord pipelines would hurt Putin economically, I still wouldn’t rule out Russian skulduggery. They have the ability and the cussedness.

    Paul Montagu (753b42)

  31. Peace is preferable… I don’t think this sleepwalk into WWIII is a smart play.

    But I have family and friends I care about… and precious grandchildren. Others’ MMV.

    Colonel Haiku (f3172c)

  32. I agree, Haiku.
    All Putin has to do is stop his war of aggression and withdraw, and war’s over. Why is a warmonger like the Russian ruler sabre-rattling for WWIII?

    Paul Montagu (753b42)

  33. 19… you should give some thought to the need for the administration to do all it can to bring them both to the table, talk of and promote peace, friend.

    Colonel Haiku (0416b6) — 9/27/2022 @ 11:10 am

    Sounds good. And when a psychopath rampages through your home, murdering, raping and stealing, you’ll be glad to know we’re negotiating how much of your remaining family and possessions he’ll take to go back to his own house.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  34. Vladimir Bluffin:

    When a nuclear detonation occurs, people, plants, and animals can be exposed to the fallout in several ways. Livestock may eat contaminated plants or drink contaminated water. People who then eat this livestock will then still experience internal contamination, in which radioactive material ends up inside of our bodies, despite not consuming contaminated plants or water directly.

    Radionuclides that are inhaled or ingested are not blocked by an external shield. These radionuclides interact with internal cells and tissues, which increases the risk of harmful health effects. When radionuclides are ingested, they can change the structure of cells, which is one of the ways people can develop cancer. The health risks from fallout have been described in many studies. One example is the Federal Radiation Council’s 1962 report, Health Implications of Fallout from Nuclear Weapons Testing through 1961. This is one of the reasons why radiation protection professionals work hard to protect people from unnecessary exposure to radiation.

    The radioactive dust that settles on the environment around us is an example of potential external exposure. Radionuclides that emit alpha and beta particles would pose a lower external exposure threat because they do not travel very far in the atmosphere and are not as penetrating as more energetic radiation. Shielding, one of the three principles of radiation protection, prevents some external exposure because alpha particles are blocked by the dead skin cells that sit on the surface of our bodies. Gamma rays, however, travel much farther in the atmosphere, and are higher energy rays that can only be blocked by heavy shielding, like a concrete wall or a lead apron. These rays pose a higher external exposure risk. – source,

    DCSCA (153426)

  35. 33… you miss the point. This ain’t a movie. You’ve got a disturbed leader in the Kremlin who has reportedly removed any roadblocks/gates between himself and the nukes. Time to show some leadership and cut the bullsh*t.

    Promote retreat by Russians and movement toward cessation of hostilities and peace in the region.

    Colonel Haiku (0416b6)

  36. …you miss the point.

    Not at all. I’m speaking a basic truth, that the USA–with a defense budget an order of magnitude larger that Putin’s–should never be intimidated or cowed by a bully. He operated in the Cold War era and he knows MAD as well as anyone. If you want to be cowed and appeasing to a blustery aggressor, your business, but I’m not going along, nor should anyone else.
    Also, Putin’s the one who started this war and he’s the one who has the power to end it, so let’s put the blame where it actually belongs.

    Paul Montagu (753b42)

  37. Since Putin has orchestrated sham elections to incorporate the occupied territories, the time for negotiations has passed.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  38. Putin is the one who has closed the door to negotiations by conducting the sham elections and territorial incorporation. There is nothing for Ukraine to negotiate, unless Russia is willing to forgo incorporating Ukraine territory into their own. Funny, the borders still remain the same-but now it’s a Ukraine that has more of a national identity and is heavily armed by the West, and Russia even more surrounded by a larger NATO and isolated.

    The more things change, the more they stay the same.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  39. It may be too late……

    ……..[A]ny indications that the erratic Russian leader has decided to unleash the unthinkable — in a desperate attempt to re-seize the initiative or bully the international community to meet his demands — could come too late, they warned.

    Most of Russia’s aircraft, along with its conventional missile and rocket launchers, can also deliver smaller, tactical nuclear weapons. Those weapons are designed for more targeted use on the battlefield than strategic arms such as intercontinental ballistic missiles, which give off tell-tale signs when their units are put on alert or mustered in training exercises.

    That means that unless Putin or his commanders want the world to know in advance, the U.S. might never know when Russian forces have swapped out conventional munitions for atomic bombs.
    Another focus outside Ukraine is the Russian enclave of Kaliningrad, sandwiched between Poland and Lithuania, where the Kremlin has installed dual-use weapon systems and hypersonic missiles.

    Over the past week, flight-tracking radar websites have shown multiple U.S. Air Force RC-135 Rivet Joint electronic surveillance planes circling the city, ostensibly collecting data. In the past several years, Russia has upgraded its missile storage sites in Kaliningrad, stoking fears of a potential nuclear buildup in the territory.
    “Let’s imagine that Russia is forced to use the most fearsome weapon against the Ukrainian regime which had committed a large-scale act of aggression that is dangerous for the very existence of our state,” said Dmitry Medvedev, deputy chair of Russia’s Security Council, in a post on Telegram, Reuters reported.

    “I believe that NATO would not directly interfere in the conflict even in this scenario,” he added. “The demagogues across the ocean and in Europe are not going to die in a nuclear apocalypse.”
    “They’ll never use a strategic nuclear weapon,” said the (US) government official. “They’ll never launch an ICBM or put a [Tu-95] bomber loaded with megaton-class warheads. What they’ll do is use a short-range weapon. They have warheads that we call micro-nukes, with tens to hundreds of tons of explosive yield.”
    “That’s still a big bomb,” the official said, referring to micro-nukes, but stressed that “you can focus on really small tactical targets. … You don’t have lots of radiation.”
    But what makes it exceedingly difficult is that Russia has 23 different dual-use weapon systems, many of which it has been using in Ukraine.

    “If the Russians have it in their arsenal as a conventional weapon, you can be pretty safe in assuming it has a nuclear warhead that goes with it,” the person said said. “Almost every single weapon the Russians have is nuclear-capable. If it’s an artillery system, if it’s an air-defense system, if it’s a torpedo, if it’s a cruise missile, it could have a nuclear weapon with it.”

    The first U.S. official cited as an example the Iskander short-range ballistic missile system, which can fire both conventional and nuclear warheads.
    But the first U.S. official is not counting on much notice. “For those smaller nuclear weapons, we’re probably not going to know.”

    Russia’s deputy foreign minister also appeared to try to downplay Putin’s latest rhetoric, insisting that Russia had no plans to use nuclear arms.

    Just like the myriad denials that Russia had any intention of invading Ukraine.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  40. 37… raving and the blustering by the administration is not leadership. Show leadership and promote peace while there’s a chance and before it gets to the point of no return.
    I hope and pray the guy realizes he has three possible choices:

    Retreat to previous borders, good faith negotiations
    Take himself out
    Take himself and all the rest of humanity with him

    Colonel Haiku (0416b6)

  41. @40. Pfft.

    Vladimir Bluffin:


    DCSCA (48ea1c)

  42. Maybe Biden is sending a “f-ck you” to Putin

    ROFLMAOPIP X 10 to the 23rd power:

    Putin knows, if I am president of the United States, his days of tyranny and trying to intimidate the United States and those in Eastern Europe are over… I’m going to stand up to him; he’s a bully… Vladimir Putin doesn’t want me to be President. He doesn’t want me to be our nominee. If you’re wondering why — it’s because I’m the only person in this field who’s ever gone toe-to-toe with him.” – Squinty McStumblebum, 2019

    That 80 year old jackass can’t even complete a sentence nor walk up a flight of stairs.

    All Dummy has done is pour billions of American taxpayer dollars, charged to Uncle Sam’s credit card, down Bug Moran’s corrupt rat hole regime which won’t let men between the ages of 18 and 60 leave. Hell, even Vlad’s Russians can make a run for the border to avoid conscription.

    Vlad is Xi’s b-tch now. You wanna end this– have President Susan Rice do a deal w/China; then pressure allies, NATO and non-NATO, to stop doing business w/Russia and financing the game.

    DCSCA (48ea1c)

  43. … raving and the blustering by the administration is not leadership. Show leadership and promote peace while there’s a chance and before it gets to the point of no return.

    I agree, Haiku. There’s been way too much “raving and blustering” from the Putin administration. Just look at his Kremlin-approved version of FoxNews.

    I also agree that Putin “should show leadership and promote peace” by stopping his war of aggression and withdraw from Ukraine, all of it.
    All he has to do is pick up the phone and order his battlefield commanders to stop fighting, and war’s over, peace has broken out.
    I’m glad to hear we’re, like, totes in synch.

    Paul Montagu (753b42)

  44. More from Mr. Applebaum…

    BTW, there’s no shortage of pipeline capacity for taking gas from Russia to Western Europe, including Germany. Nordstream’s only logic was for Putin to be able to blackmail or wage war on Eastern Europe with impunity.

    This strike does appear highly calculated. The location of the explosions is barely in international waters, at a moment when oil prices have dropped steadily for almost three months, hitting one pipeline that isn’t even operational. It hurts Russia-Germany because it cost ’em $20 billion to build.
    Other nations are motivated to kill the pipelines, including Poland, Norway and the Baltic states, but this looks well planned and well timed and well executed by highly skilled professionals. Also, pipelines are underwater and we have really good submarines (although it may have happened another way).

    Paul Montagu (753b42)

  45. If you want to be cowed and appeasing to a blustery aggressor, your business, but I’m not going along, nor should anyone else.

    Can’t call the play by play unless you know the players in the game on the field:

    ‘Today, nuclear weapons have retained not only their pride of place but an actual role in Russian military planning. Unlike the Americans, who see little use for nuclear weapons in the absence of the Soviet threat, the Russians—wisely or not—continue to think about nuclear arms as though they are useful in military conflicts, even the smallest.‘ –

    The fact that it enters any Russian rhetoric is just reiterating policy posturing. It’s not a signal of escalation. They’d be the first to remind the United States that it was America that actually nuclear weapons- twice- in 1945; and it was a Russian naval officer aboard a submarine off Cuba who did not in 1962, pulling back the world from the nuclear brink. A dead zone of Chernobyls isn’t of much value to Mother Russia.

    DCSCA (c1145f)

  46. Blasts precede Baltic pipeline leaks, sabotage seen likely

    WARSAW, Poland (AP) — Denmark said Tuesday it believed “deliberate actions” by unknown perpetrators were behind big leaks, which seismologists said followed powerful explosions, in two natural gas pipelines running under the Baltic Sea from Russia to Germany.

    European leaders and experts pointed to possible sabotage amid the energy standoff with Russia provoked by the war in Ukraine. Although filled with gas, neither pipeline is currently supplying it to Europe. “It is the authorities’ clear assessment that these are deliberate actions -– not accidents,” Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen said.

    But she added that “there is no information indicating who could be behind it.” Frederiksen also rejected the suggestion that the incident was an attack on Denmark, saying the leaks occurred in international waters. The incident overshadowed the inauguration of a long-awaited pipeline that will bring Norwegian gas to Poland to bolster the continent’s energy independence from Moscow. –

    Hmmmmm. So what has President Rice been up to? Back in the day, in ’69, the U.S. government offered up “assets” to a select group of U.S. oil executive meeting in London for an operation to take out Libya’s then new leader, Kaddafi, after he came to power, seized control of and nationalized the rich, LSC oil fields the firms were running– which, at the time, were providing vital crude for refining and use to fuel the Vietnam war. After a tense meeting, the execs voted to either kill him or leave him in place- reasoning they’d not know who’d replace him. T’was the president of Standard Oil’s persuasive pitch that saved his Libyan ass. My late father asked, what would the Russians do– and voted w/t minority to kill him.

    If U.S. covert ops did this deed, even through a third party– and someday we’ll know; it’s an act of war by Joey’s government– but then, tyhose days of right and wrong, rule of law and so forth are long gone.

    DCSCA (c1145f)

  47. Wow, this exchange is way better than anything I’ve seen on The View.
    Holy Schnikeys.

    Paul Montagu (753b42)

  48. Or it could be Putin who did it. Can’t rule him out.

    Five European officials with direct knowledge of security discussions said there was a widespread assumption that Russia was behind the incident. Only Russia had the motivation, the submersible equipment and the capability, several of them said, though they cautioned that they did not yet have direct evidence of Russia’s involvement.

    “No one on the European side of the ocean is thinking this is anything other than Russian sabotage,” said a senior European environmental official, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal thinking about the leak.

    One official said it might have been a message to NATO: “We are close.” Another said that it could be a threat to other, non-Russian energy infrastructure, since so many pipelines crisscross the Baltic Sea, including the one inaugurated Tuesday. A third noted that crucial internet data cables lie along the bottom of the sea, and there have been long-standing concerns that Russia has a submersible program that could cut them, causing communications chaos around the world.

    Paul Montagu (753b42)

  49. BTW, my link at #48 had fake English subtitles, and Julia Davis would know.
    It’s still funnier than sh-t for its entertainment value alone.

    Paul Montagu (753b42)

  50. Putin is still hoping he can end this war quickly on terms satisfactory to him, which includes getting rid of most of the new (2922) sanctions.

    He does want to “finish” the war.

    What he doesn’t want to do is “end” it.

    Zelensky used the wrong English word on “Face the Nation” Sunday, when he said that Putin doesn’t want to “finish” the war. He’s not that fluent in English.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

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