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9/21/2022

New York AG Files Civil Lawsuit: Trump Falsely Inflated His Worth By Billions of Dollars To Enrich Himself

Filed under: General — Dana @ 9:11 am



[guest post by Dana]

The announcement was made this morning:

New York’s attorney general filed a sweeping civil suit Wednesday against former President Donald Trump, his business, and his three eldest children.

James is seeking to permanently bar the Trumps from conducting business in New York and pursuing $250 million in penalties. The state attorney general’s office is also seeking the appointment of an independent monitor to “oversee compliance, financial reporting, valuations, and disclosures to l enders, insurers, and tax authorities at the Trump Organization” for at least five years.

“Trump falsely inflated his net worth by billions of dollars to further enrich himself and cheat the system,” NY AG Letitia James’ office said…”Mr. Trump and the Trump Organization repeatedly and persistently manipulated the value of assets to induce banks to lend money to the Trump Organization,” James said at a news conference announcing the civil action Wednesday.

You can find the lawsuit here.

P.S. Our host has thoughts about Leticia James and her involvement in the lawsuit against Donald Trump:

–Dana

71 Responses to “New York AG Files Civil Lawsuit: Trump Falsely Inflated His Worth By Billions of Dollars To Enrich Himself”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (1225fc)

  2. Hello, Wallz…

    Colonel Haiku (76a1de)

  3. New York’s attorney general filed a sweeping civil suit Wednesday against former President Donald Trump, his business, and his three eldest children.

    Take a number and get in line.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  4. They do know, this is going to make a Martyr out of Trump, don’t they?

    I mean, what’s to stop a GOP AG from filing the same sort of charges to the Clintons/Obamas/Bidens?

    I mean, most of these politicians gain fantastically rich during/post their tenures. Do they really want that sort of spotlight?

    Come to think of it, might not be a bad idea eh?

    Be careful what you wish for…you just might not like it if you’re on the receiving end.

    whembly (b770f8)

  5. Trump’s other financial crime is his Save American PAC.
    His combover-to-toe corruption is a target-rich legal environment, yet he still leads and controls a major political party.

    Paul Montagu (753b42)

  6. “His combover-to-toe corruption” okay – it made me laugh

    EPWJ (f0408e)

  7. relief sought:

    * canceling any certificate filed under the ny general business law for the corporate entities named as defendants and any other entity controlled by or beneficially owned by donald j trump which participated in the scheme
    * appointing an independent monitor to oversee financial reporting by the trump organization for at least 5 years
    * replacing the trustees of the donald trump revocable trust with new independent trustees and requiring similar independent governance in any newly formed trust
    * barring the trump organization from entering into any commercial real estate acquisitions for five years
    * barring trump and the trump org from applying for loans from any financial institution chartered by or registered with NY Dept Fin Services for five years
    * permanently barring trump + others (trump jr, ivanka, eric) from ever being an officer or directer in any corp or business entity registered or licensed in NY
    * permanently barring weisselberg and mcconney from serving in financial control fo any corporation or business entity registered or licensed in NY
    * awarding disgorgement of all financial benefits obtained by the scheme, at an amount to be determinde at trial but estimated at 250M + interest

    aphrael (d9db76)

  8. >you just might not like it if you’re on the receiving end.

    Are you arguing that it should be just fine for someone to claim on financial forms that a property is three times its actual size and has a value per square foot that is more than six times the record value for any other property in the building?

    Or that filing a statement in which you claim the value of the property is more than two times what your external appraisers said it would — and assigning responsibility for the claim to them — is just fine?

    This isn’t run of the mill accidental misclassification. This is serious fraud.

    aphrael (d9db76)

  9. Derp State will bugger off…

    https://youtu.be/vAxg8nuvPKM

    Colonel Haiku (76a1de)

  10. @8

    >you just might not like it if you’re on the receiving end.

    Are you arguing that it should be just fine for someone to claim on financial forms that a property is three times its actual size and has a value per square foot that is more than six times the record value for any other property in the building?

    Or that filing a statement in which you claim the value of the property is more than two times what your external appraisers said it would — and assigning responsibility for the claim to them — is just fine?

    This isn’t run of the mill accidental misclassification. This is serious fraud.

    aphrael (d9db76) — 9/21/2022 @ 10:22 am

    I’m out of my elements regarding what the AG claims are legit or not. There’s a ton of arcane rationale why business do the things they do. There’s a whole legal/accounting profession centering over this kind of stuff.

    It’s just that my BS-meter is pinging like crazy here and it would surprise me one whit that all of this is BS.

    whembly (b770f8)

  11. *wouldn’t.

    Can we get a preview button please?

    whembly (b770f8)

  12. This is serious fraud.

    ROFLMAOPIP. In real estate??? Caveat emptor.

    $24 and a string of beads. Sue!!!! The fraud is incompetent state/federal employees, and federally insured lenders at banks and S&Ls [remember who bailed them out, kids??] accepting appraisal estimates w/o properly vetting.

    60 days before midterms, Letitia James, DNC hack. Lottsa luck, Letitia:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8MCsRXXc8A

    DCSCA (9510c6)

  13. Have you read the complaint, whembly? Or are you just going off of reporting?

    I’m slowly working my way through the complaint.

    Assuming the evidence is there to back it up, this is cut and dried; trump’s people were lying to the state and to creditors on an enormous scale, in ways that aren’t just accidental errors.

    The financial services industry is critical to NY. (I’m licensed in that state, and a lot of the special training I did for NY bar was focused on financial services and corp regulations). The financial services industry depends on statements like this to be reasonably truthful — you *cannot* expect the lenders to independently re-evaluate all the claims in such a statement, that would cause the industry to grind to a halt.

    So a lawsuit like this is entirely justified if the evidence supports it, no matter *who* the target is.

    aphrael (d9db76)

  14. > $24 and a string of beads. Sue!!!! The fraud is incompetent state/federal employees, and federally insured lenders at banks and S&Ls [remember who bailed them out, kids??] accepting appraisal estimates w/o properly vetting.

    You *cannot* expect a bank to go out and independently re-evaluate all appraisals. That’s absurd. It would drive up the cost of lending and slow down the process of lending tremendously.

    *Furthermore*, even if the law expected that (which it does not), the bank’s failure to do so would not excuse the blatant and outright lying involved. Trump is responsible, both legally and morally, for the contents of his representations to counterparties — just like you and I would be.

    aphrael (d9db76)

  15. You *cannot* expect a bank to go out and independently re-evaluate all appraisals. That’s absurd. It would drive up the cost of lending and slow down the process of lending tremendously.

    … ROFLMAO— cost??? Cannot??? Whined the federally insured S&L/bank community responsible for fueling the real estate/housing collapse in 2008…

    Caveat emptor.

    DCSCA (9510c6)

  16. the blatant and outright lying involved.

    In real estate???? ROFLMAOPIP.

    DCSCA (9510c6)

  17. The Louisiana Purchase: With the bankers’ help, the French and American negotiators settled on a price of 80 million francs ($15 million), down from an initial price of 100 million francs, a sum the Americans could not afford and the financers could not provide. In the final agreement, the value of the U.S. currency was set at 5+3333/10000 francs per U.S. dollar. In 2020 dollars, the $15 million purchase price is equivalent to $323.48 million.

    Memo to Macron: SUE!

    _______

    The DoD sold two multi-billion dollar deficit spending purchased aircraft carriers, the USS Kitty Hawk and the USS John. F. Kennedy for a penny each— to be scrapped no less, rather rthgan refit and use for emergency disaster relief vessels. Vastly under valued.

    SUE!

    DCSCA (9510c6)

  18. Well, we know why he’s held onto to his leadership PAC money. He knew this was coming. And he knew his lawyers would cost him a bundle. He’s spent a large sum on lawsuits already and also just wrote $3 million dollar check to a top-notch lawyer regarding the classified documents debacle. It looks like he’ll have to continue writing big checks.

    Dana (1225fc)

  19. Barr pegs James suit as ‘political hitjob.’

    Film at 11.

    __________

    OT: Fed hikes key interest rate another 0.75 percentage point

    Bend over, America: free jar of Vaseline w/every new federally-insured bank loan and credit card issued.

    “[Inflation] up just an inch, hardly at all.” – Squinty McStumblebum

    DCSCA (9510c6)

  20. Going back in memory lane, here’s a photo of the most corrupt President in American history and Richard Nixon.

    I’m been an expert witness in commercial real estate matters for several decades, and it’s not easy to prove that an asset is under-valued or over-valued, because opinions of market value can be all over the place, especially for complex developments where good comparables are scarce. Likewise, a few tweaks in the right places to an Income Approach or discounted cash flow analysis can cause massive differences in value.
    The AG would have to prove that his valuations were especially egregious, well beyond all reason, and even then Trump may still be able to blame-shift any bogus valuations to “corrupt appraisers” (but anyone who knows Trump would know that he’d meddle with an appraisal just like he’d meddle with a Special Counsel investigation).

    Paul Montagu (753b42)

  21. Same leftist that promised a witchhunt when she was running for office, right?

    Guess she wants her ham sandwich.

    NJRob (e90c4a)

  22. I just added to the post a link to the lawsuit itself. Apologies for not doing so earlier.

    Dana (1225fc)

  23. @Whembly@4 “Be careful what you wish for…you just might not like it if you’re on the receiving end.”

    You can’t threaten people with things that have already happened. The Whitewater investigation was almost 30 years ago.

    Nic (896fdf)

  24. Beginning in 2018, she’s given fiery, eyes-rolling-to-back-of-her-head speeches where she’s committed herself to taking Trump down.

    One Trick Scumbag Pony.

    Colonel Haiku (76a1de)

  25. Letitia James may like to roll the dice but she clearly has never played Monopoly. Some real estate gamers are willing to pay a fortune for Park Place– or Baltic Avenue.

    DCSCA (9510c6)

  26. #13 aphrael – Thank you for sharing your knowledge. And explaining why this is important.

    Jim Miller (85fd03)

  27. The SDNY walked away, saw no value in this case.

    James is a vindictive idiot performing a political hit job. Nothing more, nothing less.

    Colonel Haiku (76a1de)

  28. It’s surprising how many people don’t know the background to the Louisiana purchase. Britian and France were then in a truce, but Napoleon knew that he would start the war again, soon. And that there was no way he could then hold on to Louisiana, given Britain’s control of the sea. So he sold out — while he could.

    He probably also realized that he would have trouble holding it, even against American forces, given the logistic problems.

    (Oh, and there is this ironic twist: The US borrowed money for the purchase from the Bank of England.)

    Jim Miller (85fd03)

  29. So a lawsuit like this is entirely justified if the evidence supports it, no matter *who* the target is.

    I agree with that, aphrael, but Trump’s financial statements are compilations, not reviews or audits, so it’s “reader beware” if you’re a lender or analyst.
    I do remember earlier this year that Trump’s CPA not only resigned but retracted all the reports they compiled for Trump, a huge warning sign and done way too late.

    Paul Montagu (753b42)

  30. The Whitewater investigation was almost 30 years ago.

    True, but there are plenty of eye-raising and highly-questionable dealings involving the Clinton Family Foundation which are as current as many of the allegations against the Trump Family. Of course, the Clintons were smart enough to anchor their money-laundering operation in a friendly state dominated by their allies, so I doubt we’ll hear anything about them.

    JVW (15c733)

  31. It’s not suprising that prosecutors become “vindictive” when they pursue a habitual, arrogant law breaker. Perhaps they shouldn’t, just as police shouldn’t do the same, but it is understandable.

    (I assume everyone knows by now that the loser has broken many laws. If you don’t know that, you haven’t been paying atttention. Or you think the loser is, for some reason, entitled to break our laws. Or, you have some other excuse for him, like the famous: “He’s a bastard, but he’s our bastard.”)

    Jim Miller (85fd03)

  32. Even our esteemed host has a bit of reservation about this:
    https://twitter.com/Patterico/status/1572664103495430145

    Trump is a degenerate who has almost certainly committed all of the crimes and other bad things alleged in the NY Attorney General’s lawsuit. That said, this remarkable video is shockingly inappropriate. James should remove herself from anything having to do with Trump.

    https://twitter.com/Patterico/status/1572664555377143808

    The whole point of holding Donald Trump accountable is to restore faith in the rule of law. This sort of thing undermines that faith, to the point where even reasonable people will be forced to wonder to what extent this lawsuit is a political vendetta.

    whembly (b770f8)

  33. @JVW@30 My point was that you can’t say “well, see how you like it when it’s your turn.” if they’ve already had their turn and probably already know that their turn will be coming again regardless of what they do.

    Nic (896fdf)

  34. The whole point of holding Donald Trump accountable is to restore faith in the rule of law.

    You could start ‘restoring faith in the rule of law’ by simply enforcing immigration laws instead of bussing and flying illegals all over the country and giving illegal aliens free healthcare, free food and clothing, free phones and free reign.

    DCSCA (9510c6)

  35. @33

    if they’ve already had their turn and probably already know that their turn will be coming again regardless of what they do.

    Nic (896fdf) — 9/21/2022 @ 12:58 pm

    I don’t think so.

    In the past, Republicans were expected to be magnanimous towards their political opponents.

    This is encapsulated by George W. Bush’s numerous interviews when asked “what about this exaggerated criticism” and his response was basically handwaived with a shrugpshaw, that’s politics“. This was really before social media took off, and the media and democrats were absolute cretins towards Bush.

    There’s a distinct shift, in my perception, that GOP voters are going to expect some sort of reckoning. Whether it’s over Trumpist Martyrism, covid polices, governmental favoritism or whatever-that-thing-that-animates-you.

    I think we’re going to see a tit-for-tat.

    You’re already seeing it from Governor Abbatt and DeSantis with immigrations.

    This is smash-mouth politickings with a side of lawfare.

    Can you convince me that’s not where we’re heading???

    whembly (b770f8)

  36. @whembly@35 I think you probably weren’t paying attention when it was happening to the dems because it wasn’t important to you or you vaguely thought it was good. We’ve been at the lawfare stage for at least 20-25 years. It’s not where we’re heading because we’re already there.

    Nic (896fdf)

  37. “Claiming you have money you do not have does not amount to the art of the deal. It’s the art of the steal.” ~NY AG Letitia James

    Spending money you do not have is what Biden has repeatedly done, in he trillions. Given what it has done to future generations – mortgaging their future, hamstringing their dreams – perhaps the appropriate punishment for Dementia Joe is castration and defenestration.

    Colonel Haiku (f1ec01)

  38. “Rule of law means no bills of attainder.”

    Colonel Haiku (f1ec01)

  39. whembly @ 32,

    Thanks for linking to the tweet. I added it to the post.

    Dana (1225fc)

  40. @36

    @whembly@35 I think you probably weren’t paying attention when it was happening to the dems because it wasn’t important to you or you vaguely thought it was good. We’ve been at the lawfare stage for at least 20-25 years. It’s not where we’re heading because we’re already there.

    Nic (896fdf) — 9/21/2022 @ 1:23 pm

    Are you referring to the Clinton investigations… because, I got news for you, it won’t support your premise.

    whembly (b770f8)

  41. “Rule of law means no bills of attainder.”

    Colonel Haiku (f1ec01) — 9/21/2022 @ 1:44 pm

    I agree, but the lawsuit isn’t a “bill of attainder”.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  42. Patterico’s twitter post got me thinking about this…

    How does one restore faith in the rule of law? Especially in these partisan times?

    You can’t let them get away with it… whatever “it” is.

    I can think of only one thing, and it’s going to be HARD to do so as it has some very REAL downsides: Vastly neuter or completely remove the judicial concept of Qualified Immunity that prosecutors enjoys.

    whembly (b770f8)

  43. The SDNY walked away, saw no value in this case.
    ……

    Colonel Haiku (76a1de) — 9/21/2022 @ 12:26 pm

    Not sure why the DOJ would be involved in a civil investigation under NY state law.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  44. That Leticia James said what she said in the linked video and has never, at any point in the investigation up to today’s announcement Indicated that she would recuse herself or at the very least, offer some sort of public apology for her error in judgment, only demonstrates to me that taking Trump down is Priority One for her instead of restoring faith in the rule of law.

    Dana (1225fc)

  45. The fact that Donald and Eric Trump pleaded the Fifth Amendment hundreds of times last month is going to come around a bite them in the rear. A jury can draw an adverse inference for their failure to answer James’ questions:

    Our conclusion is consistent with the prevailing rule that the Fifth Amendment does not forbid adverse inferences against parties to civil actions when they refuse to testify in response to probative evidence offered against them: the Amendment “does not preclude the inference where the privilege is claimed by a party to a civil cause.”

    Source Citation omitted.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  46. Its simple. Donald Trump probably told his employees to come up with whaever figure would get them the loans. Sometimes they outright lied.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  47. @Whembly @40 The Clintons had both White Water and Marc Rich. If you want to look even further back in the Dem’s history, Billy Carter.

    Nic (896fdf)

  48. There’s a ton of arcane rationale why business do the things they do.

    When a declared valuation for loan purposes is an order of magnitude greater than a declared valuation for tax purposes, it’s probably not just some arcane but routine business practice. Likewise when someone declares his home to be three times as big as it actually is.

    Remember that Trump once said, on the record, that his net worth changes according to what he feels it to be. Michael Cohen said that Trump often instructed him to make false statements — and to threaten people on his behalf.

    Mark Pomerantz said that Trump was “guilty of numerous felony violations” when he and Carey Dunne resigned in protest after the new DA, for reasons unspecified, decided he didn’t want to pursue changes. According to Dunne & Pomerantz, there was abundant cause to indict.

    I don’t doubt for a second that someone as overtly dishonest and amoral as Donald Trump committed the crimes that James enumerated. But I agree with our esteemed host that someone who has presented any basis for Trump acolytes to shout “political witch-hunt” should not be leading the prosecution.

    Radegunda (cf00bd)

  49. Both of the following can be true: I believe Letitia James is a partisan hack. I also believe Trump did everything alleged in the lawsuit and, if so, he should be held legally accountable for it.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  50. And yes, I’d prefer the suit was being brought by someone who isn’t a partisan hack.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  51. I am not a lawyer, so I don’t know if it’s significant that the result of this lengthy investigation is the filing of a lawsuit rather than the filing of a criminal complaint. I also don’t know if the timing of this announcement is significant, given that Atty General James is running for reelection and is currently trailing (slightly) in the polls to her Republican opponent Michael Henry.

    John W (f5d8ec)

  52. @48 Then it’s curious that they only filed a civil case, isn’t it?

    If the evidence was so strong, that they’re “guilty of numerous felony violations”, why pursue this in civil court?

    Is it because they don’t think they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt?

    Also interesting that this was filed less than 2 months of elections isn’t it?

    Again, bs-meter’s pinging off the chart.

    whembly (b770f8)

  53. “Not sure why the DOJ would be involved in a civil investigation under NY state law.”

    What was the Fed’s investigation all about?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  54. “If you want to look even further back in the Dem’s history, Billy Carter.”

    The man responsible for that Billy Beer swill? Get a rope!!!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  55. What was the Fed’s investigation all about?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/21/2022 @ 3:10 pm

    What Fed investigation? Link?

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  56. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/21/nyregion/trump-fraud-lawsuit-ny.html?smid=tw-share


    Yet her case against him could be difficult to prove. Property valuations are often subjective, and the financial statements include a disclaimer stating that they have not been audited. And if there were a trial, his lawyers would most likely emphasize that Deutsche Bank and Mr. Trump’s other lenders were hardly victims; all of his loans are either current or were paid off, some early.

    Mr. Trump also famously does not use email, so any instructions he might have given his employees about the company’s financial statements might not be in writing. The lack of a damning email – or a witness inside his company willing to testify against him – might complicate her effort to show that he intentionally used his financial statements to defraud lenders and insurers.

    In fight the case, Mr. Trump’s lawyers will likely point out the disclaimer in his financial statements saying that Mazars had not audited the valuations. They would likely argue that the Trump Organization submitted the statements to sophisticated financial institutions that conducted their own due diligence and profited in their dealings with Mr. Trump.

    “While the job of the attorney general is to protect the interests of the public, today’s filing, for the first time in the history of the attorney general’s office, seeks to protect the interests of large, sophisticated Wall Street banks,” the company’s statement on Wednesday said.

    whembly (b770f8)

  57. Dana, I believe Ms. James ran on a platform that she was going after Trump. IANAL and I don’t know if this crosses legal/ethical boundaries (I think Patterico was coming from a public trust angle).
    If an AG candidate ran on a platform of shutting down oil refineries if they didn’t clean up their act, would that AG have to recuse if she put together a valid case?

    Paul Montagu (753b42)

  58. The headlines were the objective, only needed until after the November election. At that point, it will be dismissed.

    Colonel Haiku (9faf71)

  59. @48 Then it’s curious that they only filed a civil case, isn’t it?

    whembly (b770f8) — 9/21/2022 @ 3:09 pm

    No, it isn’t. Apparently NY’s Attorney General only has authority to bring certain criminal charges, and these aren’t among them. For Trump to be criminally charged in NY on these facts, it must be done by a DA.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  60. “AG James purposefully inserted herself in an investigation which posed a clear conflict of interest and then misled the public to create a political situation forcing my resignation.”

    —- ex-Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s ethics complaint against James

    It took James 3 tries to pass the NY bar exam.

    Colonel Haiku (9faf71)

  61. 54… my mistake, not Feds… Bragg

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/21/2022 @ 3:29 pm

    The Trump Organization was indicted by Bragg last year, and is scheduled to on trial in late October.

    According to the indictment, from 2005 through this year, the Trump Organization and Chief Financial Officer Allen Weisselberg cheated tax authorities by conspiring to pay senior executives off the books by way of lucrative fringe benefits and other means.

    Since then Weisselberg has pled guilty and agreed to testify against the Organization. Under New York law the crimes of senior executives can be imputed to the corporation.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  62. From the second link, …

    “The criminal prosecution of Donald Trump in his home town appears to be all but officially over, at least for now. In an unexpected reversal of roles, Alvin Bragg, who took over as Manhattan’s District Attorney, in January, after campaigning on a promise to hold the former President accountable, instead seems to have all but abandoned the case that was brought by his predecessor Cyrus Vance, Jr., a prosecutor often criticized for being too timid.​​

    Before finishing out his third term as Manhattan D.A., Vance’s office successfully took its case against Trump to the Supreme Court twice. His office then indicted both Trump’s company, the Trump Organization, and his former chief financial officer, Allen Weisselberg, on tax charges. Prosecutors under Vance were reportedly focussing on whether Trump had criminally manipulated sworn statements of his net worth to mislead banks into giving him favorable loans, and government authorities into falsely reducing his taxes.

    The former President has denied the allegations, and accused the Manhattan D.A.’s office of conducting a political witch hunt. But there were signs that investigators were making headway. This month, Mazars U.S.A., the accounting firm that had long handled Trump’s business, essentially fired him as a client, saying that it couldn’t vouch for the accuracy of nine years’ worth of Trump’s financial statements. A second grand jury was empanelled last November to hear the prosecutor’s developing case against Trump, and its term does not expire until April.

    On Wednesday, the Times reported that the two most prominent prosecutors overseeing the case had unceremoniously quit. Carey Dunne and Mark Pomerantz submitted their resignations after Bragg signalled that he lacked confidence in the historic case. During his campaign last year, and in the weeks before taking office, Bragg had, in contrast, signalled that he would personally review the probe and expressed gratitude for the work of the two veteran prosecutors. “This is obviously a consequential case, one that merits the attention of the DA personally,” he told CNN, in December. “I can say that you’ve got two very good lawyers that have been looking at it for a while. I think it would be a disservice to Manhattan to lose them.”

    Dunne and Pomerantz, both of whom had high-profile legal careers in private practice prior to working on the Manhattan D.A.’s investigation, differed with Bragg and wanted to continue pressing the case, according to a source with knowledge of the investigation. They became frustrated, though, with what they regarded as Bragg’s lack of support for the probe. The source suggested that career prosecutors in the office’s Investigation Division had questioned the strength of the case as well.”

    Colonel Haiku (9faf71)

  63. …perhaps the appropriate punishment for Dementia Joe is castration and defenestration.

    Just remind him Queen Elizabeth II and Robert Byrd are having lunch with Beau… not Joe. 😉

    DCSCA (6a83da)

  64. Colonel Haiku (9faf71) — 9/21/2022 @ 4:28 pm

    Two different cases.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  65. Same financial matters. And this is a civil suit, with criminal referrals that may not go anywhere.

    Colonel Haiku (9faf71)

  66. @65. Ham sandwich on pumpernickel found at Mar-A-Lago… w/Russian dressing. Indictment to come— w/kosher pickle and side of slaw.

    DCSCA (0aea27)

  67. Then it’s curious that they only filed a civil case, isn’t it?

    Who’s “they”? There are different courts in the story. It’s the Manhattan DA who has declined to file criminal charges — after the lead prosecutors collected even evidence to do so.

    Radegunda (cf00bd)

  68. Trump loses bigly at the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals……

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  69. The Wall Trump built with his judicial appointments seems a lot like The Wall he built on the border.

    Poor, poor, pitiful Trump. Seriously, all you all crying tears of pity for the oppressed orange man crushed by the fascist jackboot of the white man’s justice? Is Trump a “there by the Grace of God go I” person? Really?

    nk (7ac115)

  70. The whole point of holding Donald Trump accountable is to restore faith in the rule of law.

    You could start ‘restoring faith in the rule of law’ by simply enforcing immigration laws

    DCSCA (9510c6) — 9/21/2022 @ 12:59 pm

    This is one time I agree with DCSCA.

    norcal (da5491)

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