Weekend Open Thread
[guest post by Dana]
Let’s get started!
First news item
Russian terror attack far from the frontlines:
Missiles hit a car park of a nine-storey office block in Vinnytsia, to the south-west of Kyiv and a long way from the heart of the fighting in Donbas. at around 10:50 (07:50 GMT), Ukraine’s State Emergency Service said.
Residential buildings were also hit in the centre of Vinnytsia, which has a population of around 370,000. There was little chance of finding survivors, a senior regional emergency service official told local TV. At least three children were among more than 20 killed.
“Every day, Russia kills civilians, kills Ukrainian children, carries out missile attacks on the civilian facilities where there is no military target. What is this, if not an open act of terrorism?” Mr Zelensky said in a statement on social media.
Second news item
Joe Manchin says NO to more inflation:
Sen. Joe Manchin on Thursday dealt a devastating blow to Democrats’ hopes for sweeping legislative action this year, telling Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and his staff “unequivocally” that he won’t support the climate or tax provisions of a Democratic economic package…
The two had been negotiating for months, and Schumer, a New York Democrat, had made a number of concessions to pare back the climate provisions to appease Manchin, whose support is critical in an evenly decided Senate.
…Manchin disputed the characterization that he had blown up the negotiations with Schumer but said that he asked that they wait until the July inflation numbers came out and pursue this after August recess.
“I said, ‘Chuck until we see the July inflation figures, until we see the July, basically Federal Reserve rates, interest rates, then let’s wait till that comes out so we know that we’re going down a path that won’t be inflammatory, to add more to inflation,’ ” Manchin told Hoppy Kercheval on Talkline. “He says, ‘Are you telling me you won’t do the other right now?’ I said, ‘Chuck, it’s wrong, it’s not prudent to do the other right now.’ “
Who needs Congress when you can rule by executive Beast Mode!:
Sheldon Whitehouse…The conspiracy-obsessed Rhode Island senator tweeted last night a list of laws he wants Biden to enact through the agencies, on the theory that, “with legislative climate options now closed, it’s now time for executive Beast Mode”
There’s a lot the Biden administration could be doing on climate change:
1. A robust social cost of carbon rule with broad reach.
2. Require carbon capture from all major emitters.
3. Stricter limits on co-pollutants from coal- and gas-fired power plants
4. Stronger emissions controls on cars/light trucks and heavy-duty vehicles.
5. Put lower emissions front and center in procurement (e.g. electrify USPS).
6. Hunt methane leaks with new satellite technology and enforce.
7. Tell DOJ to evaluate tobacco-style climate litigation (DOJ won big!).
8. Dozens of smaller regs across DOE, DOI, EPA, DOD, OMB (“thousand cuts”).
9. Call out corporations who block climate action in Congress (“good guys” too).
10. Use existing executive branch trade and tariff authority to establish a carbon border tariff for imports from countries with worse relative carbon emissions, based on industry carbon density.
Free at last. Let’s roll. Do it all and start it now.
With legislative climate options now closed, it’s now time for executive Beast Mode.
Third news item
Indiana doctor who performed an abortion on 10-year old victim followed law:
After Indiana Attorney General Todd Rokita threatened to go after the license of an Indiana physician who provided an abortion to a 10-year-old rape victim from Ohio, documents obtained by FOX59 through a public record request proved the physician not only filed a terminated pregnancy report but filed the report within the required timeframe.
The terminated pregnancy report, obtained by FOX59’s Angela Ganote, shows that Caitlin Bernard, an Indiana obstetrician-gynecologist, reported the abortion on July 2, two days after the abortion was performed and within the three days required for terminations to be reported to the Department of Child Service and the Indiana Department of Health.
In the report, Bernard also indicated that the child suffered abuse.
Related: National Right to Life abortion legislation:
…according to the general counsel for the National Right to Life…Jim Bopp, an Indiana lawyer who authored the model legislation in advance of the Supreme Court’s decision overturning Roe v. Wade, told POLITICO on Thursday that his law only provides exceptions when the pregnant person’s life is in danger.
“She would have had the baby, and as many women who have had babies as a result of rape, we would hope that she would understand the reason and ultimately the benefit of having the child”…
While Bopp’s model legislation, which was released in advance of the Supreme Court’s ruling late last month, encourages states to ban all abortions unless necessary to save the life of the pregnant person, it notes “it may be necessary in certain states to have additional exceptions, such as for a women pregnant as a result of rape or incest.”
“Unless her life was at danger, there is no exception for rape,” Bopp said. “The bill does propose exceptions for rape and incest, in my model, because that is a pro-life position, but it’s not our ideal position. We don’t think, as heartwrenching as those circumstances are, we don’t think we should devalue the life of the baby because of the sins of the father.”
God help us. Ten years old is just that. A child. What makes me sick is that lost in the hurly-burly political machinations, a little girl was the victim of a heinous life-altering violent crime that violated her to the very core of her being. On top of that, she has endured a procedure that, while I believe was necessary for her sake, no child should ever have to endure. In the aftermath, there will be every sort of emotion ebbing and flowing throughout the course of her life as she matures. As such, what a dreadful shame that she has being victimized all over again by assholes who have falsely claimed that the story was a lie and/or chose not to wait for corroboration or tracked down her family because their own political and/or journalistic aspirations were the priority. Not the heart and soul of a child.
Fourth news item
What he promised on the campaign trail:
MITCHELL: Mr. Vice President, the CIA has concluded that the leader of Saudi Arabia directed the murder of U.S.-based journalist Jamal Khashoggi. The State Department also says the Saudi government is responsible for executing nonviolent offenders and for torture. President Trump has not punished senior Saudi leaders. Would you?
BIDEN: Yes, and I said it at the time. Khashoggi was, in fact, murdered and dismembered, and I believe on the order of the crown prince. And I would make it very clear we were not going to, in fact, sell more weapons to them, we were going to, in fact, make them pay the price and make them, in fact, the pariah that they are. There’s very little social redeeming value of the — in the present government in Saudi Arabia.
And I would also, as pointed out, I would end — end subsidies that we have, end the sale of material to the Saudis where they’re going in and murdering children, and they’re murdering innocent people. And so they have to be held accountable.
So much for “pariah” as MBS gets the prestige of the world seeing a U.S. President visiting him in person:
Fist bump between President Biden and Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman at Al Salam Royal Palace in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. pic.twitter.com/37Oz5EwwIB
— CSPAN (@cspan) July 15, 2022
And, as Jake Tapper reminds us:
Director of National Intelligence: “Assessing the Saudi Government’s Role in the Killing of Jamal Khashoggi” February 11, 2021
“We assess that Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince Muhammad bin Salman approved an operation in Istanbul, Turkey to capture or kill Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi…” The IS-member Saudi team that arrived in Istanbul on 2 October 2018 included officials who worked for, or were associated with, the Saudi Center for Studies and Media Affairs (CSMARC) at the Royal Court…At the time of the operation, CSMARC was led by Saud al-Qahtani, a close adviser of Muhammad bin Salman, who claimed publicly in mid2018 that he did not make decisions without the Crown Prince’s approval…Also on the team: 7 members of MBS’s “elite personal protective detail” that “exists to defend the Crown Prince, answers only to him, and had directly participated in earlier dissident suppression operations in the Kingdom and abroad at the Crown Prince’s direction.”…The Crown Prince viewed Khashoggi as a threat to the Kingdom and broadly supported using violent measures if necessary to silence him.”
Are President Biden’s abysmal poll numbers and party frustration any surprise:
Historic, global inflation and high gas prices have driven his popularity to lows that could threaten Democrats’ chances of retaining control of Congress this fall.
Amid calls from activists for Biden to show more urgency on issues such as abortion and gun reform, the White House has fired back, calling those who want more action on abortion “out of step.”
But a wide majority of Democrats in a New York Times/Siena College poll published this week – 64% – said that they want someone other than Biden to represent them in the 2024 presidential election.
Among those Democrats, the top reason they wanted another standard-bearer was because of Biden’s age (33%), followed by his job performance (32%). Further down the list, 4% cited his ability to win, and 3% pointed to his mental acuity.
UPDATE: President Biden brought up the murder of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi with Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman:
“With respect to the murder of Khashoggi, I raised it at the top of the meeting, making it clear what I thought of it at the time and what I think of it now,” Biden told reporters. “I was straightforward and direct in discussing it. I made my view crystal clear.”
As you would expect, MBS hit back at Biden’s comments:
MBS, denied responsibility for the killing of Khashoggi at the kingdom’s Istanbul consulate. Biden said he indicated that he disagreed with MBS, based on US intelligence assessments, according to the source.
In response to Biden bringing up Khashoggi, MBS cited the sexual and physical abuse of prisoners at Iraq’s Abu Ghraib prison by US military personnel and the May killing of Palestinian American journalist Shireen Abu Akleh in the occupied West Bank as incidents that reflected poorly on the US, Prince Faisal bin Farhan, the Saudi foreign minister, told reporters on Saturday.
“The Crown Prince responded to President Biden’s remarks on … Khashoggi after quite clearly — that this crime, while very unfortunate and abhorrent, is something that the kingdom took very seriously (and) acted upon in a way commiserate with its position as a responsible country,” bin Farhan said. “These are issues, mistakes that happen in any country, including the US. The Crown Prince pointed out that the US has made its own mistakes and has taken the necessary action to hold those responsible accountable and address these mistakes just as the kingdom has.”
Ultimately, Biden’s trip to the “pariah state” and fist bump with MBS doesn’t seem to have benefitted the US at all:
The Saudi Foreign Minister says oil production was not discussed at the Jeddah summit.
“We listen to our partners and friends from all over the world especially consumer countries. But at the end of the day, OPEC+ follows the market situation and will supply energy as needed.”
— annmarie hordern (@annmarie) July 16, 2022
Fifth news item
Eventually, the crazy works its way to the surface:
A federal judge is siding with the Sun Prairie School District in a lawsuit filed by two Black parents who objected to their children’s middle school assignment that asked students how they would punish a slave in ancient Mesopotamia.
Dazrrea Ervins and Priscilla Jones claimed the Black History Month assignment [Ed. how they would punish a slave was on a Black History Month assignment??? Are you kidding me??!!] in February 2021 violated their civil rights as well as those of their children, Zavion Ervins and George Brockman.
The question was not part of the school district’s curriculum on ancient Mesopotamia. Three teachers came up with the assignment on their own, according to an internal investigation. The teachers were placed on administrative leave and later resigned…
U.S. District Judge James Peterson… said the parents failed to show evidence that their civil rights or those of their children were violated by the assignment.
“A reasonable jury certainly could find that its content and timing were offensive, insensitive and justifiably upset students and their families,” Peterson wrote. “But a hostile environment claim requires much more than a single upsetting episode.”
Sixth news item
Running and screaming from the left:
“My perspective is, the single most important thing to focus on in the social system is the economic system,” he tells me. “It’s class.”…“I’m just a social democrat, man. Trying to make the world a better place.”
To hear [Rudy] Teixeira tell it, CAP, and the rest of Washington’s institution-based left, stopped being a place where he could do the work he wanted. The reason, he says, is that the relentless focus on race, gender, and identity in historically liberal foundations and think tanks has made it hard to do work that looks at society through other prisms. It also makes people nervous about projects that could be accused of giving short shrift to anti-racism efforts.
“I would say that anybody who has a fundamentally class-oriented perspective, who thinks that’s a more important lens and doesn’t assume that any disparity is automatically a lens of racism or sexism or what have you … I think that perspective is not congenial in most left institutions,” he says.
Seventh news item
United Kingdom issues Level 4 heat advisory for first time:
Britain’s weather forecaster issued its first-ever red “Extreme Heat” warning for parts of England on Monday and Tuesday when temperatures are forecast to reach record highs, triggering a “national emergency” alert level.
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The highest ever recorded temperature in Britain was 38.7C (102 Fahrenheit) recorded in Cambridge University Botanic Garden on July 25, 2019. The Met Office said it was now forecasting temperatures of 40C for the first time in Britain.
“Exceptional, perhaps record-breaking temperatures are likely early next week,” Met Office Chief Meteorologist Paul Gundersen said, predicting a 50% chance temperatures top 40C and 80% chance a new maximum temperature is reached.
Melting roads could cause congestion and leave people stranded in cars. Railways could buckle. Extreme heat on the London Underground could require bottled water to be supplied. Rising demand for electricity as people use air conditioning and fans at the same time as the heat reduces the power-carrying capacity of the system because it is harder to cool conductors.
Water shortages are a fear but if the mains supply is lost water companies are required to provide no less than 10 litres per person per day, with special attention given to the needs of vulnerable people, hospitals and schools.
Eighth news item
One hopes it continues to go in this direction:
Side-by-side maps of Ukraine’s eastern Donbas region—the frontline of the war—dated July 8 and July 12, show the number of active bombings by Russians before and after Ukraine ramped up attacks using the HIMARS precision rocket weapon system provided by Washington.
The maps illustrate a sharp decrease in the number of fires detected by NASA satellites—an indicator that long-range strikes on Russian ammunition warehouses appear to be playing in Ukraine’s favor.
On July 9, Ukrainian presidential adviser and peace talks negotiator Mykhailo Podolyak named HIMARS as one of three weapons Ukraine needs to turn the tide of Putin’s war in Ukraine, as clashes intensified in the battle for the country’s eastern Donbas region
“Do we want a turning point in the war? 3 components… HIMARS for high-precision targeting rear bases, logistics,” he tweeted. “Heavy artillery on the frontline allows matching number parity. APC [armored personnel carriers] for “breakthrough fists”… More tools faster we’ll clean our land of the Russians.”
Ninth news item
The Austin-Statesmen on why they published the unvarnished Uvalde videos:
The American-Statesman is publishing a video account of the delayed police response at Uvalde’s Robb Elementary School after a gunman walked into two classrooms and killed 19 children and their two teachers.
The video that we obtained is one hour and 22 minutes long. It is tragic to listen to and watch. Our decision to publish, along with our news partner, KVUE, comes after long and thoughtful discussions.
The Statesman is publishing two versions of the video, one that we edited to just over four minutes and highlights critical moments: the ease of gunman entering the school, how he shot his way into the classroom, the repeated sound of gunfire, and then the delay by police to stop the killer for 77 minutes as dozens of heavily armed officers stage in the school hallway before a group finally storms the classroom and kill the gunman.
We are also publishing the entire video for those who want to see what we obtained. In both videos we blurred the identity of a child who exits a restroom as the shooter approaches the classroom. The child runs back to the restroom to hide and was later rescued. We also have removed the sound of children screaming as the gunman enters the classroom. We consider this too graphic.
We also have chosen to show the face of the gunman as he enters this school. Our news organization guidelines state that we should not glorify these individuals and give them the notoriety that they seek. We chose, in this instance, to show his face to chisel away at any conspiracy that we are hiding something…
We have to bear witness to history, and transparency with unrelenting reporting is a way to bring change.
Tenth news item
Beauty cuts like a knife:
Members of the Kharkiv orchestra defying air raid sirens, playing the theme for “Schindler’s List” to a crowd on a Friday night.
Kharkiv, Ukraine. Day 142 pic.twitter.com/YBVloIUGyk
— Sergio Olmos (@MrOlmos) July 15, 2022
MISCELLANEOUS
Desert scene:
Have a great weekend!
–Dana
Happy Friday!
Dana (1225fc) — 7/15/2022 @ 3:17 pmSheldon Whitehouse sounds eminently qualified to be the next Sri Lankan president.
norcal (da5491) — 7/15/2022 @ 3:23 pmAhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Absolutely lovely, Dana!
Really like your b/w imagery. Good good eye for composition; the old trick was to turn a pix upside down to review composition and focal point.
DCSCA (814602) — 7/15/2022 @ 3:31 pmUnrelated:
4000 beagles…
(Hat Tip CTH)
BuDuh (340919) — 7/15/2022 @ 3:37 pmNASA, Russian space agency sign deal to share space station flights
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/15/nasa-russian-space-agency-sign-deal-to-share-space-station-flights.html
As noted on another thread; quite appropriate given July 15 is the 47th anniversary of ASTP; the launches of the first U.S./Russian joint manned spaceflight project.
And this bonus; a win for the United States and Russian space agency relations as well:
Rogozin removed as head of Roscosmos as seat barter agreement signed
‘WASHINGTON — The Russian government dismissed Dmitry Rogozin as the head of the space agency Roscosmos July 15, the same day the agency and NASA signed a long-anticipated agreement to exchange seats on flights to the International Space Station. In a brief statement, the Kremlin announced the Vladimir Putin, president of Russia, had dismissed Rogozin as head of Roscosmos, effective immediately. In a separate statement, the Kremlin announced the appointment of Yuri Borisov, deputy prime minister of Russia, as Rogozin’s successor at Roscosmos.’ – https://spacenews.com/rogozin-removed-as-head-of-roscosmos-as-seat-barter-agreement-signed/
DCSCA (814602) — 7/15/2022 @ 3:41 pmor hunted her family down because their own political and/or journalistic aspirations were the priority.
by family, do you mean the mom who defends the perp?
sure, let’s leave this family alone to abuse this girl
JF (6f2bbb) — 7/15/2022 @ 5:07 pmDuring The Blitz there were many impromptu performances in Underground stations, both musical and theatre.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/15/2022 @ 5:12 pmSheldon Whitehouse sounds eminently qualified to be the next Sri Lankan president.
They’d be lucky to get Donald Trump and I mean that sincerely.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/15/2022 @ 5:13 pmWith legislative climate options now closed, it’s now time for executive Beast Mode.
Again, getting rid of the single-House Legislative Veto was a terrible mistake. It was the leash that Congress kept when they delegated rule-making. The Supremes killed it for what now seems ironic reasons. Whizzer White was prophetic in his dissent.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/15/2022 @ 5:19 pmUse existing executive branch trade and tariff authority to establish a carbon border tariff for imports from countries with worse relative carbon emissions, based on industry carbon density.
Like Germany.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/15/2022 @ 5:20 pmThey’d be lucky to get Donald Trump and I mean that sincerely.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/15/2022 @ 5:13 pm
As much as I dislike him, I give him credit for not succumbing to climate hysterics.
norcal (da5491) — 7/15/2022 @ 5:26 pmThat isn’t the reason they tracked her down and you know it. It was to score points and up their careers. Clearly, if a 10-year-old girl has been raped and had an abortion, and her story is on every front page, Social Services, law enforcement, D.A.’s office, CPS, and every other possible agency that is invested in crimes against children are already involved – before the family was located by the press.
Note: I cleaned up the wording in the post and here in the quote.
Dana (1225fc) — 7/15/2022 @ 5:33 pmSo, I watched the video. Absolutely damning of the police. It was like watching McClellan prepare for battle. Early on, when there were about a dozen officers, in vests, outside the room and they heard some shots, they could not run away fast enough. Effing mall cops.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/15/2022 @ 5:51 pmSocial Services, law enforcement, D.A.’s office, CPS, and every other possible agency that is invested in crimes against children are already involved
Or should be. I think we’ll find out it was more like Uvalde.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/15/2022 @ 5:53 pmThere’s very little social redeeming value of the — in the present government in Saudi Arabia.
Except when compared to all the ones that might follow.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/15/2022 @ 5:57 pm“I would say that anybody who has a fundamentally class-oriented perspective, who thinks that’s a more important lens and doesn’t assume that any disparity is automatically a lens of racism or sexism or what have you … I think that perspective is not congenial in most left institutions,” he says.
But just think how much easier it is to get your research accepted when they give you the conclusions before you start.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/15/2022 @ 6:01 pmDana, that was a well-executed setup and sendup of Biden regarding the Saudis.
Biden is a trademark political hack. That was true even before the onset of senility.
norcal (da5491) — 7/15/2022 @ 6:04 pmThat isn’t the reason they tracked her down and you know it. It was to score points and up their careers.
Dana (1225fc) — 7/15/2022 @ 5:33 pm
was the reason this story got hyped in the first place cuz those people were concerned about the girl?
or, did they think they could use her abuse for political gain and expect everyone to just accept the story as is?
we know how this media game gets played
looks like we’re not allowed to know if the woman is really her mom (and if she is, my god), or if the child was an unaccompanied minor and she’s the sponsor and there’s sex trafficking going on, or if the perp had a history in Guatemala and wasn’t vetted (yeah, like no joke), among others that come to mind that the media won’t ask
or maybe we’ll hear he was whipped by the border patrol on horseback and his PTSD manifests itself in 9year old rape, don’t blame him
cuz you know, it’s an abortion law problem we got here
yep, never mind, let’s leave it up to the experts and an administration that has encouraged this crap for political gain and it’s sure to get resolved like all the rest of the border chaos will
JF (2d2ea4) — 7/15/2022 @ 6:27 pmwas the reason this story got hyped in the first place cuz those people were concerned about the girl?
or, did they think they could use her abuse for political gain and expect everyone to just accept the story as is?
JF (2d2ea4) — 7/15/2022 @ 6:27 pm
I gonna go with C) Both.
norcal (da5491) — 7/15/2022 @ 6:38 pm@17. That’s an insult to political hacks. Cruz is a political hack; Pelosi is political hack; Schiff, Schummer, Hoyer, McCarthy, McConnell, Harris; Clinton—all hacks.
Biden’s a bum.
DCSCA (0f7c3d) — 7/15/2022 @ 7:07 pmDana, while Putin’s war crimes in Vinnytsia are indeed horrific, a monumentally worse war crime is his forcible displacement of 2.5 million Ukrainians–around 6% of their total population–from their home country to Russia, which is a clear violation of International Human Law.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 7/15/2022 @ 7:52 pmPutin is not above backfilling fleeing and forcibly displaced Ukrainian populations with Russians so they can pass referendums for independence, like what they’re trying to do in Kherson.
I absolutely agree, Paul Montagu. But then again, the world should not have any expectation that he would follow International Human Law or any other law/institution/agreement that would protect human life. He is a vicious amoral animal who will let no one stand in his way.
Dana (1225fc) — 7/15/2022 @ 7:56 pmThis isn’t really about any of the linked stories, but I wanted to note it anyway, esp since we’ve been talking a lot about inflation and things being terrible.
I’ve been running all around the Sacramento metro area like a crazy person this summer, trying to get all the necessary things done that I haven’t been able to do for the last two years, and I have to say that things look really good. I used to live in a more trouble area of a Sac. community called Citrus Heights about 20 years ago and it was pretty run down at the time, but I was driving past my old apartment complex earlier this week and the whole area looks a lot better. The stores have been redone and renovated, there were cars in the parking lots and there weren’t very many empty store fronts. I drove down one of the main streets that used to have really trashed out duplexes and small houses and most of them seem to have been redone. There’s new construction going up ALL over the city and a lot of the old construction is in the process of being renovated, even down in Rancho Cordova, which had been a depressed area since the military base closed in the 90s(?). Despite whatever we are hearing about everything being awful, the city looks really prosperous right now, and really the entire area, metro, suburbs, exurbs, looks pretty good.
Nic (896fdf) — 7/15/2022 @ 7:59 pmSomebody put some work into this graph. China surpassed the US in 2016.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 7/15/2022 @ 8:04 pmToo true, but we still need to call it out, IMO. Putin needs to pay for this.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 7/15/2022 @ 8:06 pmPaul,
That was a great graph to look at. I was surprised to see the rise of Indonesia in the 20-teens, and land in the top 10 in 2022. (At least I think it did. When it cycled through it immediately went black to the play again screen…) Also interesting to see when America makes an appearance and it’s straight to the top over the years.
Dana (1225fc) — 7/15/2022 @ 8:10 pm25,
You’ll get no argument from me about this.
Dana (1225fc) — 7/15/2022 @ 8:11 pmCool photo of Mercury.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 7/15/2022 @ 8:45 pmToo true, but we still need to call it out, IMO. Putin needs to pay for this.
It’s really too bad that Karma isn’t real.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/15/2022 @ 8:55 pm@28 the space photos are very cool but note that the colors are fake and are pretty much a PR move
JF (1cc5a8) — 7/15/2022 @ 8:56 pmCool photo of Mercury.
It would be cool to see all sides at the same time, as Mercury has a really weird tidal resonance with the Sun. Not tidally-locked, but a 3:2 orbital beat.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/15/2022 @ 8:58 pmcolors are fake
The colors are “fake” because black pictures aren’t very interesting, or do you see well in the mid-infrared? Webb uses infrared because absolutely everything outside our galaxy is receding from us, at that causes every to shift towards red and infrared.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/15/2022 @ 9:01 pmKevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/15/2022 @ 9:01 pm
right, but that has nothing to do with the Mercury photo
JF (1cc5a8) — 7/15/2022 @ 9:06 pmFrench rightly takes down Jordan Peterson’s take on Putin’s War Against Ukraine, but what caught my eye were abortion rates per country, with the Putin regime right at the top. The Mexican rate seems way low.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 7/15/2022 @ 9:24 pmhttps://www.theepochtimes.com/doctor-reported-ohio-10-year-olds-abortion-but-reported-illegal-immigrant-rapist-as-teenager_4600203.html?utm_source=Goodevening&utm_campaign=gv-2022-07-15&utm_medium=email&est=ilshqrd8xbAGP7BdOodMkSU0ovX%2F8%2F4ksm%2BTfmSAD4myrWeJYnKGT0reNz7hzAw%3D
IF this is accurate and the she lied to protect the rapist, the abortionist should be brought up on charges.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/15/2022 @ 9:25 pm@34 Just read your linked article, Paul. It was excellent. I like Jordan Peterson, but he’s wrong here. In fact, he is a prime example of what Radegunda has talked about, in that various people in the West see Putin as some bulwark of Christianity.
norcal (da5491) — 7/15/2022 @ 9:37 pmright, but that has nothing to do with the Mercury photo
You didn’t link to an article about the Mercury photo.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/15/2022 @ 10:57 pmhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYnF31el-ik
The way it was, 53 years ago this morning; the pinnacle week of the ‘American Century,’ when America peaked at truly being great. If you weren’t alive for it, worth watching to revisit the news reports of the same downm-to-earth problems then as now, enjoying a very young Ali McGraw swimming in a paper bikini… and witnessing a 36 story building being launched into the sky.
What a magnificent day it was.
DCSCA (901f18) — 7/16/2022 @ 4:10 amhttps://therightscoop.com/house-democrats-vote-to-make-abortion-the-law-of-the-land-but-one-republican-decided-not-to-vote-against-any-of-it/
Liz Cheney trying to get in good with the leftist party. Throws her “pro-life” beliefs under the bus.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/16/2022 @ 5:30 amhttps://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/nih-admits-fauci-lied-about-funding-wuhan-gain-of-function-experiments/ar-AAPLZIe
Lied under oath.
Just imagine if he was Trump when you think of a punishment.
NJRob (61aefd) — 7/16/2022 @ 7:05 am@39 Never forget; Liz is an honest and principled woman of integrity willing to sacrifice everything to stand up for what’s right and true and just and honorable and principled. Questioning her motives would be like Job questioning God.
frosty (96639f) — 7/16/2022 @ 7:10 amIF this is accurate and the she lied to protect the rapist, the abortionist should be brought up on charges.
That’s a lot of assumptions, starting with that the child was the victim of only one molester. That’s why the police are doing DNA matches and not only with the arrestee. And even so, unless the doctor had access to Hunter Biden’s laptop on which the molester’s birth certificate has been uploaded, the doctor could only write down what she was told.
Have you read this New York Post article? We’re delving into the sewage of a very diverse “breakfast taco” that most Americans do not even know exists.
nk (51ae73) — 7/16/2022 @ 7:39 amBiden going to Saudi Arabia is like the crack head going back to his favorite dealer.
Rip Murdock (a78f1f) — 7/16/2022 @ 7:51 am@42 i would hope the DNA tests include the woman who claims to be the girl’s mom
but I suppose we should just leave this family alone
JF (4be815) — 7/16/2022 @ 7:51 amEw. Figures, Oregon.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 7/16/2022 @ 7:55 amThis is good news, except for the 2030 rollout. I may have mentioned that a co-blogger of mine works for a similar operation in Corvallis, which should be our energy future.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 7/16/2022 @ 7:57 amMy favorite cartoons from this week’s Politico collection are this Ramirez cartoon, and this reminder of another Trump phone call.
(Fans of “Minions” will find some cartoons in the collection inspired by the movies.)
Jim Miller (406a93) — 7/16/2022 @ 7:59 amThat’s 3am vegetables. And for the 3am BBQ:
urbanleftbehind (76c06d) — 7/16/2022 @ 8:03 amWill Trump stop Republicans from winning control of the Senate, again? It’s possible, considering some of the candidates he is backing.
The article doesn’t mention this, but most serious observers think Trump cost the Republicans the two Georgia seats in the 2020 run-offs.
(I agree with the oddsmakers that — as of now — the Republicans are favorites to win the House.)
Jim Miller (406a93) — 7/16/2022 @ 8:13 am<em Bad timing for Schmitt. The RCP average has him 5.3 points behind Greitens with just over two weeks before the August 2nd primary.
Rip Murdock (a78f1f) — 7/16/2022 @ 8:23 am— Grandma grows the best roses in the neighborhood.
nk (c1be99) — 7/16/2022 @ 8:27 am— Yes. We should spread her around the magnolias too.
Vinnytsia was just one strike. There were four other terrorist attacks by missile yesterday.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 7/16/2022 @ 8:37 amWhen the “lies” are found to be truth…
https://instapundit.com/531489/
Colonel Haiku (259c9f) — 7/16/2022 @ 8:58 amRelated:
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HIMARS strike(s) can’t be intercepted by any kind of Russia’s defensive systems.
“There’s no antidote to this type of weapons,” (Oleg Zhdanov, a military analyst told Radio NV). “It hits the target quite precisely, sometimes missing it for three meters at most, while the fire range is up to 70 kilometers. Defense solution against these systems simply doesn’t exist. The only way is running away if you see such a rocket flying in your direction.”
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“They’re pressuring all of the countries: stop providing weapons to Ukraine,this will escalate the tensions. Funny, because Russians do their own shelling and don’t think this is an escalation. While when Ukraine gets weapons – they consider it to be an escalation,” Zhdanov explained.
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HIMARS rocket-launching systems has been able to destroy as many as 20 Russian munition depots in the Donbas area, according to estimates provided by Ivan Kyrychevsky, a military analyst who’s employed at Defense Express, a Kyiv-based magazine focused on security issues.
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Sad! Victory to Ukraine!
Rip Murdock (eb1a92) — 7/16/2022 @ 9:01 amFor a second I thought I was watching a Liberty Mutual commercial.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 7/16/2022 @ 9:15 amThe chopped-foam pillow magnate’s lawyer not only met with Trump in December 2020, urging the president to ignore judicial review and take over the election count, he put his seditious scheme in writing.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 7/16/2022 @ 9:43 amRelated, I’m not a Peter Strzok fan after seeing his weird demeanor during testimony, but I can’t argue with the following.
Dear Russia:
Just be glad you never picked a fight with us.
Yours truly,
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/16/2022 @ 10:02 amAmerica
https://www.rbth.com/history/332396-how-soviets-fought-against-americans
DCSCA (bbdd05) — 7/16/2022 @ 10:09 amHere’s a good thread on how bad a week the Xi regime is having. Why again are doing business with such a small trading partner as Putin?
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 7/16/2022 @ 10:21 amGood news from Hollywood, of all places:
That detail shows how much control Hollywood had given to “Emperor” Xi, and we should be grateful that Hollywood producers are now showing a little more independence.
Who knows? They may even put out a movie that I want to see.
Jim Miller (406a93) — 7/16/2022 @ 10:31 amXi wants a third term as party chairman. I’m thinking maybe he doesn’t get it. He’s has a couple really bad years, mostly of his own creation.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/16/2022 @ 10:35 amWho knows? They may even put out a movie that I want to see.
Sorry. Ingmar Bergman is dead.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/16/2022 @ 10:37 am@59, DCCCP gives us a dose of Russian propaganda via Russia Beyond The Headlines….I’m telling ya
AJ_Liberty (c82e21) — 7/16/2022 @ 10:42 amThis is just too bad.
Rip Murdock (eb1a92) — 7/16/2022 @ 10:51 amDay 142 of Putin’s 3 day war.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/16/2022 @ 10:57 am@64. =yawn= Agarn, Agarn, Agarn…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_proxy_wars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/proxy-conflict-paradox-why-america-and-russia-are-war-syria-182961
… and Larry Storch smiled.
DCSCA (5e692e) — 7/16/2022 @ 11:01 amBiden leaves Saudi Arabia without oil deal amid criticism for meeting with crown prince
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/jul/15/biden-says-no-immediate-deal-oil-saudi-arabia/
DCSCA (5e692e) — 7/16/2022 @ 11:05 amBiden fails to secure major security, oil commitments at Arab summit
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/biden-hopes-more-oil-israeli-integration-arab-summit-saudi-2022-07-16/
Carterrific!
… and Jimma smiled.
DCSCA (5e692e) — 7/16/2022 @ 11:09 am<blockquote€As Faith Flags in U.S. Government, Many Voters Want to Upend the System
A majority of American voters across nearly all demographics and ideologies believe their system of government does not work, with 58 percent of those interviewed for a New York Times/Siena College poll saying that the world’s oldest independent constitutional democracy needs major reforms or a complete overhaul.
The discontent among Republicans is driven by their widespread, unfounded doubts about the legitimacy of the nation’s elections. For Democrats, it is the realization that even though they control the White House and Congress, it is Republicans, joined with their allies in gerrymandered state legislatures and the Supreme Court, who are achieving long-sought political goals.
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………..(A) broad majority of Republicans share (Trump’s) views on the 2020 election and its aftermath: Sixty-one percent said he was the legitimate winner, and 72 percent described the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol as a protest that got out of hand.
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Among all voters, 49 percent said the Capitol riot was an attempt to overthrow the government. Another 55 percent said Mr. Trump’s actions after the 2020 election had threatened American democracy. As with so many other issues, voters saw the riot through the same partisan lens as other issues.
Seventy-six percent of Republican voters said Mr. Trump had simply been exercising his right to contest his loss to Joseph R. Biden Jr. Asked if Mr. Trump had committed crimes while contesting the election, 89 percent of Democrats and 49 percent of independent voters said yes, while 80 percent of Republicans said he had not.
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Among Democrats, 84 percent said the Capitol attack was an attempt to overthrow the government and 92 percent said Mr. Trump threatened American democracy.
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More than half of all voters surveyed, 53 percent, said the American political system was too divided to solve the nation’s problems, an increase from 40 percent in a Times/Siena poll from October 2020. The sentiment is now most acute among Black voters and the youngest voters.
The lack of faith is starkest among the young, who have little to no memory of a time when American politics didn’t function as a zero-sum affair. Nearly half — 48 percent — of those surveyed between the ages of 18 and 29 said voting did not make a difference in how their government operates.
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The Supreme Court, which has long guarded its reputation as above politics, is widely viewed as a political body, the poll found. Nearly two-thirds of those polled said the justices’ rulings were based on their political views, not on the Constitution, a belief shared by 88 percent of Democrats and 39 percent of Republicans.
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……… The poll found that just 34 percent of voters were very or somewhat confident that major newspapers and television networks reported accurately and fairly about news and politics.
Just 7 percent of those polled said they got most of their news from a major national newspaper. Only 1 percent said they turned to a local newspaper. Among Republicans, 29 percent said Fox News was their primary news source.
The level of confidence in the mainstream media is lowest among voters who find their news through social media.
Rip Murdock (eb1a92) — 7/16/2022 @ 11:17 am……….
Saudi Arabia doubles second-quarter Russian fuel oil imports for power generation
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/exclusive-saudi-arabia-doubles-q2-russian-fuel-oil-imports-power-generation-2022-07-14/
Fist-bump worthy, eh, Helsinki Joe?! So much for taking folks behind the gymnasium. Try Black Prince diplomacy instead: leave it to a Brit to teach an old Yank how to properly ‘fist-bump’ a gang of thieves in a ‘closed door’ meeting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf16WUYLfpQ
DCSCA (5e692e) — 7/16/2022 @ 11:20 amMAGAWorld not amused.
Rip Murdock (eb1a92) — 7/16/2022 @ 11:58 amRIP, Bobby East, 3 time USAC national driving champion, 34, murdered Wednesday
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/16/2022 @ 12:02 pmDC, you left out the important part…
Despite Biden’s stumbling, bumbling and mumbling during his travels, bin Salman is going to increase production by 44%. This is good news for our economy and bad news for your buddy Vlad the Russian Ruler.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 7/16/2022 @ 12:05 pmI’ve added an update to the fourth news item (President Joe’s adventures in the pariah state).
Dana (1225fc) — 7/16/2022 @ 12:15 pmAs Faith Flags in U.S. Government, Many Voters Want to Upend the System
Constitutional reforms I would like to see:
1. Congressional seats are filled in each state by an at-large election, with each voter getting ONE vote. Top however-many are elected. This solves the gerrymandering problem quite totally, and makes term-limits unnecessary in many states. In a state like California any candidate that can gather up 2% of the vote will be elected, so ethnic, religious and political minorities can gain representation they would not otherwise get. There is a high probability that most voters will have a Congressperson of their choosing, increasing their connection to the system.
2. A third (pseudo) legislative house, whose job is to approve, amend or reject prospective regulations. Seats in this house would be filled by Dutch auction, with both public and private bidders competing for seats. Why pretend? Besides, this would ensure that the members would be qualified to deal with regulatory proposals.
3. Fix the size of the Supreme Court, with any added seats filled one at a time, a decade apart.
Additionally, I would suggest a state-splitting commission, looking to expand the number of states by about 50%, by splitting larger states so that no state has over 6-7 million people, with a grand compromise plan as the goal. This would make the Senate more democratic and the Electoral college closer to the popular vote, while retaining the stabilizing aspects of state-by-state voting.
I tend to march to a different drummer…
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/16/2022 @ 12:35 pmHere’s some good news from Ukraine:
These river ports don’t have the capacity of seaports leik Odesa, but this will still help.
According to the article grain “exports swelled to 2.5 million tons in June—half the pre-war total.”
Jim Miller (406a93) — 7/16/2022 @ 12:37 pmThe level of confidence in the mainstream media is lowest among voters who find their news through social media.
Also, the level of confidence in social media is lowest among voters who find their news though the mainstream media. Can anyone explain why?
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/16/2022 @ 12:38 pmN.Y. men who pepper-sprayed officers on Jan. 6 sentenced to 44 months
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Cody Mattice, 29, of Greece, N.Y., and James Mault, 30, of Brockport, N.Y., both wept as they stood before Chief U.S. District Judge Beryl A. Howell and asked for leniency, apologizing for their actions and saying they hoped to return soon to their families and young children. But Howell noted that prosecutors had already cut them a reasonable deal by dropping charges that could have led to far more prison time, and she imposed the sentences requested by the government. Only four other Jan. 6 defendants have been sentenced to longer prison terms.
Text messages obtained by the FBI showed that Mattice and Mault planned for violence on Jan. 6, initially expecting resistance from antifa. They texted family members during the mayhem, and then congratulated each other in the days after the riot, which temporarily halted the certification of the presidential election.
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Mattice was a stay-at-home dad and Mault was an iron worker when they began texting on Jan. 2 about driving to President Donald Trump’s “Stop the Steal” rally on Jan. 6, discussing taking pepper spray, helmets, a baton and a high-powered fire extinguisher with them. Once in D.C., court records show, Mattice recorded video of Mault on the National Mall saying they were “getting ready to go march on Capitol Hill. … It’s about to be nuts.”
At the West Plaza near the Capitol, Mattice recorded Mault shouting at officers to join the mob, prosecutors said in a sentencing memorandum. “What we’re doing is right,” Mault yelled, “or there wouldn’t be this many … people here.” Soon, the two men began snatching bike racks the police were using as barricades, pulling them away from police officers and helping push the mob through the police line up to the Capitol, photos and videos obtained by the government show.
……… Mattice texted his fiancee to say, “me and james literally just got everyone to push, I fought off like 4 or 5 cops and we stand … victorious,” according to court records. His fiancee, Ashley Choate, replied, “omg babe glad you’re having fun and are okay.”
During the sentencing, Choate stood to address the judge. But Howell immediately challenged her on the texts, reading her the one in which Mattice claimed he stood victorious. “Were you cheering him on, with all these events on Jan. 6?” the judge asked.
“That was not my intention,” Choate said. “I know it sounds like that.”
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…….. (B)oth men were handed small canisters of pepper spray by other rioters and aimed them at police officers defending the Capitol, photos show. When questioned later by the FBI, Mattice denied using pepper spray, and Mault said officers were “letting people into the Capitol building.” They also denied taking any violent action against the police at the West Plaza, and claimed they had been swept up to the Capitol by the massive mob, court records state.
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Both men pleaded guilty in April to felony assault on police officers, with a sentencing enhancement for spraying chemical agents at police. Mattice and Mault both apologized to a D.C. police officer who was hit by the spray. Both men have been held in jail since their arrests in October.
“I was very stupid and ignorant, and I lost myself that day,” Mattice said through tears. “And I’m extremely embarrassed.”
“My friends and I went to the Capitol on Jan. 6 with the best intentions,” Mault said. “What happened was our protest got terribly out of hand, I fell into the mob mentality, and I didn’t think about what I was doing.”
Rip Murdock (eb1a92) — 7/16/2022 @ 12:43 pm………
That’s just too bad.
Sorry for the lack of blockquotes on post 81.
Rip Murdock (eb1a92) — 7/16/2022 @ 12:46 pmAccording to the article grain “exports swelled to 2.5 million tons in June—half the pre-war total.”
Putting an Aegis cruiser or two into the Black Sea, to defend the freedom of commerce, couldn’t hurt. Perhaps Antietam and Shiloh, to make a point about resolve.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/16/2022 @ 12:49 pmA thought experiment:
Suppose that Trump’s coup had succeeded. Pence does what Trump wants and the whole election ends up in the House, where Trump appears to have a victory locked up.
But there are protests. On the say of the House vote, 3 million well-armed Americans descend on Washington, and attempt to stop the House vote by force. Would this insurrection be wrong? If they pushed aside, or pepper-sprayed Capitol police to achieve their goal, would they be wrong? If they took Congress hostage after a bloody shootout, would they be wrong?
Does right and wrong depend on what people believe? What “actually is”? Who wins in the end?
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/16/2022 @ 1:01 pmhttps://nypost.com/2022/07/16/james-madison-sidelined-by-woke-history-in-his-own-home/
Leftist billionaires spending money to rewrite American history and destroy America from her founding.
NJRob (f5e3e7) — 7/16/2022 @ 1:04 pm@75. Nice try, Paul:
US not expecting Saudi Arabia to immediately boost oil output
JEDDAH, Saudi Arabia :The United States does not expect Saudi Arabia to immediately boost oil output and awaits the outcome of an OPEC+ meeting on Aug. 3, the U.S. national security adviser said on Friday, lowering expectations as U.S. President Joe Biden visits the kingdom.
“I don’t think you should expect a particular announcement here bilaterally because we believe any further action taken to ensure that there is sufficient energy to protect the health of the global economy, it will be done in the context of OPEC+,” Jake Sullivan said.-
https://www.todayonline.com/world/us-not-expecting-saudi-arabia-immediately-boost-oil-output-1945426
Was raised in the oil biz myself w/access to senior executive ops and dealing w/Arabs; the general public- including yourself- really doesn’t understand how the industry operates, wheels and deals. Talk is desert wind w/Arabs; production and timing is everything — and key. And it’s not so much bbls pumped but refining capacity available that limits product availability- like gasoline. And in summer months, existing refineries in Europe and the U.S. retool to produce heating oil for winter consumption which poeaks and when gasoline consumption is lower. How it gets to market for distribution is key as well, be it pipeline or partially refined product off-loaded from tanker to tank farms or to reach smaller ports which cannot manage supertanker ops.
The key indicator in this is the Saudi increase in purchase of Russian crude for their own use— thereby directly financing Putin’s war– allowing existing Saudi reserves to reach market at their discretion and at top petrodollar. They control the flow. And Xi’s China is now in the Saudi market mix as well:
Saudi Arabia is in talks to sell oil to China and be paid in yuan, according to the Wall Street Journal.
For nearly 50 years, the world’s top oil exporter has traded crude exclusively in US dollars. Relations between Saudi Arabia and the US have deteriorated under the Biden administration.
And worse: U.S. Selling Oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to the Highest Bidding Companies
The Biden administration is trying to increase the global supply of crude oil and reduce gasoline prices by tapping the U.S. Strategic Petroleum Reserve – the federally owned stock of emergency crude oil. About 1 million barrels of crude oil from the reserve are being made available each day for sale to the highest bidding company. Some of the companies have then chosen to export some of the oil to countries around the world, including China.
https://www.factcheck.org/2022/07/u-s-selling-oil-from-the-strategic-petroleum-reserve-to-the-highest-bidding-companies/
Joe doesn’t know what the hell he’s doing; he’s a professionsal sh-t shoveler but he can’t spin this failed trip into a win at all– and industry people know it. He’s coming home with nothing but hot desert air.
DCSCA (adb8ed) — 7/16/2022 @ 1:28 pmUltimately, Biden’s trip to the “pariah state” and fist bump with MBS doesn’t seem to have benefitted the US at all
Exactly, Dana.
DCSCA (adb8ed) — 7/16/2022 @ 1:32 pmSusan McDougal successfully defended herself on a criminal contempt of court charge, the judge gave her wide latitude and she made Ken Starr, and his alleged persecution of her, the center of her defense.
So, there are defenses. Just not everyone gets to use them.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/16/2022 @ 1:36 pmUS not expecting Saudi Arabia to immediately boost oil output
Doesn’t matter. Expectations of future prices drive decisions. Clearly there is little upside in prices for crude oil, so I expece prices to come down some. For now.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/16/2022 @ 1:39 pmSaudi Arabia is in talks to sell oil to China and be paid in yuan, according to the Wall Street Journal.
And worse: U.S. Selling Oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to the Highest Bidding Companies
Oil is fungible. Other factors, such as transportation costs may drive these decisions. Are you arguing that the US Reserve should sell at a discount?
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/16/2022 @ 1:41 pm@90. It’s not so much the physical crude [though Saudi LSC is the best, cost-effective base to refine with] it’s the available refining capacity. He’s just blowing smoke; it’s mid-July; summer supplies are more or less set at near peak now– his team should be concerned w/winter and heating oil reserves. It’s gonna cost Americans a lot more to stay warm. Attaboy, Joe!
DCSCA (adb8ed) — 7/16/2022 @ 1:46 pm@91. No, the SPR is meant for emergency U.S. domestic use; he’s peddling access to bidders overseas. The product is fungible once in the system but the quality of the product dictates refining costs and timing.
DCSCA (adb8ed) — 7/16/2022 @ 1:54 pmIn the latest sign that she is moving rapidly in her investigation into Donald Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election, Fulton County, Ga., District Attorney Fani Willis has sent so-called target letters
Rip Murdock (eb1a92) — 7/16/2022 @ 12:22 pm
18 months later is rapid? You go girl!
norcal (da5491) — 7/16/2022 @ 2:09 pmThe jury deadlocked on the criminal contempt charge (7-5 for acquittal) and she was acquitted of obstruction of justice in 1999. The contempt case was unresolved when she was pardoned by President Clinton in 2001.
Source
Rip Murdock (eb1a92) — 7/16/2022 @ 2:10 pm92- Winter is for burning wood.
mg (8cbc69) — 7/16/2022 @ 2:36 pmReffitt was convicted of two counts of civil disorder, and one count each of obstruction of an official proceeding, entering and remaining in a restricted building or grounds with a firearm, and obstruction of justice. Each of the two obstruction charges carry a statutory maximum of 20 years in prison. The charge of entering and remaining in a restricted building or grounds with a firearm carries a statutory maximum of 10 years. Each of the two civil disorder charges carry a statutory maximum of five years in prison.
Rip Murdock (eb1a92) — 7/16/2022 @ 3:10 pmThe jury deadlocked on the criminal contempt charge (7-5 for acquittal) and she was acquitted of obstruction of justice in 1999. The contempt case was unresolved when she was pardoned by President Clinton in 2001.
So? The point was that she successfully defended against the charge. A hung jury and no retrial is a success.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/16/2022 @ 3:13 pm@85: Talk about sedition!
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/16/2022 @ 3:20 pm@100 Kevin, don’t you just love it when a thread goes dead after your comment?
Oh…wait.
norcal (da5491) — 7/16/2022 @ 6:48 pmIndeed.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/16/2022 @ 11:00 pmhttps://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2022/07/16/how-saudi-arabia-just-humiliated-joe-biden-n2610354
mg (8cbc69) — 7/17/2022 @ 2:35 amThe Saudis have been killing people forever, Now we care? Only because Trump was president. Anyone else – not a big deal.
mg, you should really start a wake up service serving the Eastern and Central Time Zones.
urbanleftbehind (7bbaab) — 7/17/2022 @ 2:56 am“Is our democracy still under attack?”
https://media.washtimes.com/media/image/2021/07/27/Capitol_Breach_Investigation_16076.jpg-e1181.jpg
Colonel Haiku (c8b69a) — 7/17/2022 @ 7:21 amBut DC, I thought you paleo retro Buchananites like FoxNews.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 7/17/2022 @ 9:41 amKhamenei adviser says Tehran ‘capable of building nuclear bomb’
I think THIS is a bit more humiliating to Biden and his party’s approach to Iran than any fist-bump with a despot.
I wish that some US president would make clear to North Korea and now Iran that we are no longer bound by our obligations towards them, under the Non-proliferation Treaty, regarding non-use of nuclear weapons against non-nuclear states.
Just say it flat out: You want to play with nuclear weapons? OK, then.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/17/2022 @ 9:57 amThen remind them of our policy on non-first-use. Namely we don’t have one. Not that it will matter, as Israel will beat us to it.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/17/2022 @ 10:03 amFrom the same jpost article:
What a stellar trip, Joe.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/17/2022 @ 10:04 amLt General Hertling links to US Ambassador to OSCE Carpenter’s summary of the Moscow Mechanism report, which details Putin’s vast array of war crimes. The Russian Federation is a signatory to the Geneva Conventions. Hertling…
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 7/17/2022 @ 10:28 am@106. And the RINO blows his horn:
Biden to reporter asking if he regrets MBS fist bump: ‘Why don’t you guys talk about something that matters?’
President Biden was asked on Sunday if he regretted fist-bumping Saudi Arabia Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman upon returning from his trip to the Middle East. “Why don’t you guys talk about something that matters? I’m happy to answer a question that matters,” Biden said. – FoxNews.com
… said Joey to aides:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOHMg7IkzHU&t=3s
DCSCA (e34ba3) — 7/17/2022 @ 10:29 amTrump is a RINO, as is Buchanan. Buchanan at least had the honesty to join a different party.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/17/2022 @ 10:32 am@112. … cried the desperate flea brushed out of the tail that no longer wags the dog.
DCSCA (e34ba3) — 7/17/2022 @ 10:41 amWar on Comedians continues:
urbanleftbehind (271831) — 7/17/2022 @ 12:03 pmhttps://www.foxnews.com/us/active-shooter-storms-the-office-star-craig-robinsons-comedy-show-opens-fire
But she said the father was a minor, aged about 17. She was protecting the family. Saying the father was a minor probably meant there would be no serious criminal investigation, I would guess.
Sammy Finkelman (b7dc9b) — 7/17/2022 @ 12:15 pmif Ivana Trump had worried less about spilling her coffee, and more about making it safely down the stairs, she probably wouldn’t have been so badly hurt that she died. Her hip hurt. She probably had slower reaction time than she would have had 10-15 years ago, and her blood vessels were weaker so that suffered from internal bleeding.
Sammy Finkelman (b7dc9b) — 7/17/2022 @ 12:20 pmhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RrfvmKjbCE
Colonel Haiku (c8b69a) — 7/17/2022 @ 12:27 pmThere is hope… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP2tUW0HDHA
Colonel Haiku (c8b69a) — 7/17/2022 @ 12:28 pmCompletely off topic:
I was asked by someone in Los Angeles if a solar-panel system could save them money. WHen I looked at the numbers using current system costs, I was astounded. The answer is:
If one owns a single-family house in Los Angeles that has a half-way decent rooftop exposure you are a complete effing idiot if you don’t install solar.
Why?
Residential solar is tiered in L.A. The middle tier costs $0.28/kWh including tax. The top tier is the same cost outside the summer months, when it goes up to $0.37/kWh. Neglecting the higher summer rate (air conditioning), how much does one save with a 6 kW solar system?
6kW * 5.5 hours (see note 1) = 33 kWh per day of “free” electricity on average. At 28 cents/kWh, that’s $9.25 saved per day, or about $275 saved per month, or $3300/year (see note 2).
A 6kW solar system costs about $16,000, less any tax credit you may qualify for. If you can claim the full tax credit (see note 3), that will drop about $4K from the cost. But neglecting any tax credit, this puts the payback period at 5 years. Less if electric rates rise (as they will).
I really don’t know why every house doesn’t have solar in Los Angeles. L.A. has one of the highest electric rates and a LOT of sunshine, and even if you don’t have the money you probably have the equity.
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Note 1: 5.5 hours is a blended factor that accounts for lower sunlight/bad angles in the morning and evening, along with differing day lengths during the year. You will do better in the summer and not as well in the winter.
Note 2: Not counting the additional summer savings from the higher summer rate, or some lesser potential savings at the base rate of 21.5 cents/kWh that applies for the first 12 kWh/day.
Note 3: A federal tax credit (26% in 2022, 22% in 2023) is available, but only to the extent you owe taxes (“non-refundable”). There may be additional credits or programs in CA and Los Angeles that reduce the cost. Solar panels are exempt from property tax in CA.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/17/2022 @ 12:30 pm* Residential
solarELECTRICTY is tiered in L.A.GAH!
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/17/2022 @ 12:31 pmThe Proud Boys tried to instigate others, but avoid criminal liability themselves. Doesn’t sound like people who expected to succeed in obtaining a pardon.
https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000008392796/rile-up-the-normies-how-proud-boys-breached-the-capitol.html
https://www.nytimes.com/spotlight/us-capitol-riots-investigations
Sammy Finkelman (b7dc9b) — 7/17/2022 @ 12:33 pmThat is so bad a mistake, I will repost it:
Completely off topic:
I was asked by someone in Los Angeles if a solar-panel system could save them money. WHen I looked at the numbers using current system costs, I was astounded. The answer is:
If one owns a single-family house in Los Angeles that has a half-way decent rooftop exposure you are a complete effing idiot if you don’t install solar.
Why?
Residential electicity is tiered in L.A. The middle tier costs $0.28/kWh including tax. The top tier is the same cost outside the summer months, when it goes up to $0.37/kWh. Neglecting the higher summer rate (air conditioning), how much does one save with a 6 kW solar system?
6kW * 5.5 hours (see note 1) = 33 kWh per day of “free” electricity on average. At 28 cents/kWh, that’s $9.25 saved per day, or about $275 saved per month, or $3300/year (see note 2).
A 6kW solar system costs about $16,000, less any tax credit you may qualify for. If you can claim the full tax credit (see note 3), that will drop about $4K from the cost. But neglecting any tax credit, this puts the payback period at 5 years. Less if electric rates rise (as they will).
I really don’t know why every house doesn’t have solar in Los Angeles. L.A. has one of the highest electric rates and a LOT of sunshine, and even if you don’t have the money you probably have the equity.
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Note 1: 5.5 hours is a blended factor that accounts for lower sunlight/bad angles in the morning and evening, along with differing day lengths during the year. You will do better in the summer and not as well in the winter.
Note 2: Not counting the additional summer savings from the higher summer rate, or some lesser potential savings at the base rate of 21.5 cents/kWh that applies for the first 12 kWh/day.
Note 3: A federal tax credit (26% in 2022, 22% in 2023) is available, but only to the extent you owe taxes (“non-refundable”). There may be additional credits or programs in CA and Los Angeles that reduce the cost. Solar panels are exempt from property tax in CA.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/17/2022 @ 12:34 pmGod help us… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntRuONq3E7M
Colonel Haiku (c8b69a) — 7/17/2022 @ 12:35 pmYou really have to watch the uncut video (or at least the first 15 minutes) to understand what a complete fukup this was.
While most of the kids were shot a couple minutes before police arrived, the police could have been giving first aid a couple minutes later and some of the children could have survived.
But no. There is at least one scene of utter cowardice that makes it clear the kids were doomed.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/17/2022 @ 12:50 pmKevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/17/2022 @ 12:30 pm
People don’t do these calculations, and probably nobody is running advertisements – maybe because they can’t handle any more business.
Can this be paid for by borrowing in such a manner so there will be extra out of pocket monthly costs?
Sammy Finkelman (b7dc9b) — 7/17/2022 @ 12:56 pmThe sheer cowardice is at 8:30 into the video.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/17/2022 @ 1:01 pmCan this be paid for by borrowing in such a manner so there will be extra out of pocket monthly costs?
You can pay for it with personal credit, vendor credit, home equity (and there is a LOT of that in Los Angeles) or through a lease. For those that cannot make use of the tax credit (e.g. retired people), a lease with option to buy may make more sense (the lessor gets the credit and passes some of that along). There are also setups where a company owns the panels on your roof and sells you electricity from them at a set rate.
If you plan on selling the house, the straight ownership options make most sense.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/17/2022 @ 1:06 pmprobably nobody is running advertisements
I wonder. How many people actually see local TV advertising any more? Between streaming, DVRs, Blu-Ray and other forms of content acquisition, local OtA TV has a much smaller portion of the market. And online we have ad-blockers.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/17/2022 @ 1:12 pmTrump-Tucker 2024. Get your lies at both ends!
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/17/2022 @ 1:42 pmSammy, a 27-year old illegal immigrant was arrested and he confessed to raping the child.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 7/17/2022 @ 2:04 pmKevin M:
There were some shoots fired very late.
They weren’t doomed. Some survived, mostly by hiding aand playing dead. One teacher played dead, but got shot (less seriously than his first wound) later.
Salvador Ramos Jr seems not to have wanted to fire unnecessary bullets, like as if he didn’t know how many people he might get a chance to kill. Was he thinking he was going to escape?
Retreating might nake sens if they were outgunned, or had no immediate battle plan, but they could have fired some bullets just to distracct him and keep him busy.
Sammy Finkelman (b7dc9b) — 7/17/2022 @ 2:05 pmPaul Montagu (5de684) — 7/17/2022 @ 2:04 pm
The abortion doctor in Indiana tried to protect him, by saying the father was about 17 because the mother didn’t want to press charges (possibly because if she did more then mothers if pregnant 10 year old girls might be reluctant to seek medical treatment)
Sammy Finkelman (b7dc9b) — 7/17/2022 @ 2:10 pm“‘I like you, I don’t want you in charge of anything,’” said CNN, MSNBC and PBS suits when they fired Tucka.
DCSCA (59ca1b) — 7/17/2022 @ 2:17 pmEight years ago yesterday…
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 7/17/2022 @ 2:44 pmI don’t know the timeline but it looks like this only happened because of the focus brought to the case. The irony here is that the pro-abortion lobby wanted to play a gotcha game and gave us another example of how dishonest and morally bankrupt they are.
frosty (497886) — 7/17/2022 @ 3:01 pmA wretched hive of scum and villainy would be harder to find.
frosty (497886) — 7/17/2022 @ 3:05 pmDC, there’s “good” Peter Principle like Joe Torre (Yanks were the 4th team he managed) and, if that’s your thing, Tucka C, and well we all know about bad Peter Principle.
urbanleftbehind (d5b707) — 7/17/2022 @ 3:08 pm@139. A wretched hive of scum and villainy would be harder to find.
Except it’s not; see the RNC, the DNC, the U.S. Congress, the Heritage Foundation; SCOTUS… and the Biden Administration Cabinet– for starters.
Don’t blame the messengers, frosty.
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@140. Failing up?!?! See Squinty McStumblebum for details. 😉
DCSCA (59ca1b) — 7/17/2022 @ 3:16 pm“A wretched hive of scum and villainy would be harder to find.”
Other than, to begin with, “Emperor” Xi’s regime, “Czar” Putin’s kleptocratic oligarchy, the Iranian theocracy, North Korea’s Kim, Donald Trump’s inner circle, and on, and on, down to the average street gang.
Jim Miller (406a93) — 7/17/2022 @ 3:24 pmhttps://nypost.com/2022/07/16/hunter-biden-laptop-shows-meetings-with-joe-business-partners/
The guy NeverTrump threw their lot in with. Pretending this crook was moral will forever be a stain on the conscience of NeverTrump.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/17/2022 @ 3:25 pmIt looks as if Steve Bannon will soon learn the truth of the third item in my little list: Following Donald Trump risks your wealth, your health, and even, for a few, your liberty.
(Links omitted.)
For a smart guy, Bannon has done some remarkably stupid things.
Jim Miller (406a93) — 7/17/2022 @ 3:36 pmA wretched hive of scum and villainy would be harder to find.
Unless you’re a “lawmaker” in Texas:
Texas lawmakers say Uvalde response was result of “systemic failures and egregious poor decision making”
“Other than the attacker, the Committee did not find any ‘villains’ in the course of its Investigation,” the report said. “There is no one to whom we can attribute malice or ill motives. Instead, we found systemic failures and egregiously poor decision making.” – https://www.cbsnews.com/news/uvalde-report-texas-house-school-shooting-today-2022-07-17/
Unreal.
DCSCA (878f35) — 7/17/2022 @ 3:41 pmIDEK Frosty thinks that the prochoice people telling the truth about everything proves they are dishonest and NJRob thinks that having meals with your parents is scandalous. Is it opposite day at patterico?
Nic (896fdf) — 7/17/2022 @ 3:46 pmNic (896fdf) — 7/17/2022 @ 3:46 pm
Nic claiming that a 27 year old really is 17 is telling the truth, and Eric Schwerin (the president of Hunter Biden’s investment company Rosemont Seneca Partners) is demented Joe’s apparently new illegitimate son shows that it’s not opposite day, and it even might be Nic Being Nic Day.
JF (7e768a) — 7/17/2022 @ 3:57 pm@125. the ‘fukup’ was editing out the screams of the helpless victims– which is what this tragedy was all about- while leaving the audio of the astonishingly rapid burst gun fire in.
DCSCA (878f35) — 7/17/2022 @ 4:01 pmThere were some shoots fired very late.
What part of the word “most” don’t you understand?
As far as the police reaction, they stood there and let the wounded kids bleed out. Cowardice. Utter cowardice.
I love the part of the state report that notes that there were more armed cops at the school than there were defenders at the Alamo. It Texas, that’s utter damnation.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/17/2022 @ 4:06 pmCredit where due: Microsoft is finding our internet enemies, and warning us about them.
For example:
Bitcoin does seem to be useful . . . to crooks, of all kinds.
Jim Miller (406a93) — 7/17/2022 @ 4:07 pmpossibly because if she did more then mothers if pregnant 10 year old girls might be reluctant to seek medical treatment
That’s funny. A joke, right? Mom was concerned about other people? Sure. I have this bridge….
It’s going to come out that the little girl’s mother was in a relationship with the rapist, and may even have know about what he was doing with daughter. When she ended up pregnant, it couldn’t be hidden, although one has to ask why it took so long to get her to the doctor.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/17/2022 @ 4:10 pmA wretched hive of scum and villainy would be harder to find.
Wretched hives of scum and villainy are pretty easy to find, actually. Especially in board rooms or the upper reaches of government.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/17/2022 @ 4:11 pmKevin – the part where you didn’t say that some people might have been shot only after the police arrived — not just that they could have been saved.
Sammy Finkelman (b7dc9b) — 7/17/2022 @ 4:13 pmOne set of threats:
And another set:
No doubt there are a few Trumpistas who have said such threats are unacceptable in a democracy, but it would be good if there were more than a few, and better if “leaders” like McCarthy led on this issue, instead of maintaining a cowardly silence.
Jim Miller (406a93) — 7/17/2022 @ 4:15 pmBitcoin does seem to be useful . . . to crooks, of all kinds.
In Neal Stephenson’s excellent REAMDE (sic), the opening subplot has a bunch of Chinese ransomware hackers demanding payment in in-game “gold” in an online World of Warcraft type game, which allows “gold” to be cashed out anonymously.
Of course. the ransom-payers have to go to a certain “place” in the game to pay, which is suddenly surrounded with numerous gangs of thieves…
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/17/2022 @ 4:21 pmIt’s not terribly important, but the original Star Wars quote is: “You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.” (Without the “more”, it doesn’t make sense, so, if you are like me, you added it, without noticing the omission.)
Jim Miller (406a93) — 7/17/2022 @ 4:21 pmDonald Trump focused his message towards stupid people (not that all of his supporters were stupid), couching his every speech in short words and simple ideas.
Stupid people tend to also be stubborn people, and suspicious of all those high-and-mighty smart-asses.
So it’s no surprise that they are unlikely to accept Trump’s loss when their hero says he wuz robbed.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/17/2022 @ 4:26 pmJim Miller (406a93) — 7/17/2022 @ 4:15 pm
bidenistas might want to lead by example on this issue
JF (7e768a) — 7/17/2022 @ 4:36 pmthe astonishingly rapid burst gun fire
Yes, this was a full-auto weapon, something the gun-grabbers don’t want said. If he bought it that way, the seller needs to face multiple felony-murder charges. If he didn’t, whoever sold him the kit does.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/17/2022 @ 4:38 pmJim Miller (406a93) — 7/17/2022 @ 4:15 pm
I really appreciate you telling me what Axios, MSDNC, and other leftist sites are thinking about. I’d never know the leftist spin otherwise.
Thanks again.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/17/2022 @ 4:47 pmAlso off-topic: It’s becoming clear that trying to fight a disease that mutates in a matter of months with a vaccine-approval process that takes at least a year is failing badly. It’s not that the existing vaccines are bad, but that the disease they were designed to block no long exists. Now, mRNA vaccines can be developed swiftly, but the existing testing process prevents them from coming to market before they are, again, obsolete.
Of course, untested vaccines are going to have fewer takers, and pharma companies have lawyers that suggest they not do that anyway. Clearly we need a new paradigm. Computer sims? Volunteers? Magic? It’s really hard to say except maybe not magic.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/17/2022 @ 5:34 pmThere once was a Dementia patient from Nantucket
mg (8cbc69) — 7/17/2022 @ 5:39 pmWith a VP who would ——
His son full of crack
And loonie wife ding bat
To America they say just go fugket
POTUS Donald J. Trump was the most effective barrier contraceptive against the onslaught of Marxist sperm this country has ever known. We sure could use him now considering that Republicans just “saying no” isn’t working.
mg (8cbc69) — 7/17/2022 @ 5:47 pmSomewhere I hear the words “Precious Bodily Fluids!”
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/17/2022 @ 6:00 pmMore on Iran:
I’m seeing the dog wagging sometime in mid to late October.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/17/2022 @ 6:03 pmAnother reason states should allow open/conceal carry of firearms. That civilian saved many lives.
Rip Murdock (eb1a92) — 7/17/2022 @ 6:16 pm@166 In a country awash in guns, and no options short of a police state to eliminate them, we rely on good guys with guys taking out bad guys with guns.
In the meantime, we need to work on improving our culture.
norcal (da5491) — 7/17/2022 @ 6:34 pm@166/@167.
… and Putin smiled.
DCSCA (39509e) — 7/17/2022 @ 6:37 pmPutin would smile at the very thought of someone as enabling to his agenda as DCSCA.
norcal (da5491) — 7/17/2022 @ 6:47 pmthinks that the prochoice people telling the truth about everything
LOL, please. The “prochoice people” are notorious for parroting the stat that Roe has majority support, while doing everything they can to obfuscate the other stat that “abortion without restrictions all through the pregnancy” has never gained more than 20% support even after 50 years of Roe. As Kevin has repeatedly pointed out, support for abortion past the first trimester drops off a cliff, particularly in the 3rd trimester short of a real, actual threat to the mother’s life–which is so rare as to be on the margins.
It’s certainly supported heartily by the mass media, though, particularly in Hollywood, which made the practice a cottage industry going back decades–which is probably why they’re so flabbergasted that their neo-Carthaginian child sacrifice cult doesn’t have more support.
Factory Working Orphan (2775f0) — 7/17/2022 @ 7:53 pm@FWO@170 Context. Frosty was talking about the issue of the little girl from Ohio and I was responding to that.
Nic (896fdf) — 7/17/2022 @ 8:45 pmAnother reason states should allow open/conceal carry of firearms. That civilian saved many lives.
Rip Murdock (eb1a92) — 7/17/2022 @ 6:16 pm
It also shows how some stick-figure loser with an AR-15 and an itch to make a name for himself can get dropped like a bad habit by a someone with a simple handgun. Now they need to take the next step and start desecrating these freaks’ corpses after they get gotten. Turn enough of these guys’ bodies in to hamburger for putting the community in danger, and some of these incels will start to think twice before going after innocent people with their poverty pony ARs.
Factory Working Orphan (2775f0) — 7/17/2022 @ 8:49 pm@FWO@170 Context. Frosty was talking about the issue of the little girl from Ohio and I was responding to that.
Nic (896fdf) — 7/17/2022 @ 8:45 pm
It doesn’t change the decades-long nature of the pro-abortion side’s arguments.
Factory Working Orphan (2775f0) — 7/17/2022 @ 8:50 pm@169 …said Ike Clanton. You really don’t get it, do you.
DCSCA (3d06d8) — 7/17/2022 @ 8:51 pmSan Bernardino County Sheriff’s Deputy Hospitalized After Being Shot Twice
https://www.nbclosangeles.com/
DCSCA (3d06d8) — 7/17/2022 @ 8:52 pmFOW-172, a bailiff acting as JJE at a pretrial hearing would a welcome development as well.
urbanleftbehind (d5b707) — 7/17/2022 @ 8:55 pm@FWO@173 It does, however, mean that what you were responding to something that wasn’t my comment.
Nic (896fdf) — 7/17/2022 @ 9:07 pm@172. Colorful. But think 21st century creative; suggest a naked truth; a harness ’round their bat and balls hitched to a war-surplus helium-filled weather balloon– and released to ascend for an inning w/t Angels– at 45,000 feet. Hardly cruel and unusual punishment and great practice for police drones observers. ‘Course our Ike Clanton clan are more 19th century minded and prefer packin’ heat to administer that 1881 O.K. Corral-style justice. 😉
DCSCA (3d06d8) — 7/17/2022 @ 9:08 pmAnother reason states should allow open/conceal carry of firearms. That civilian saved many lives…
In the meantime, we need to work on improving our culture…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGJxhMMvjYU&t=87s
DCSCA (05d8e0) — 7/17/2022 @ 9:44 pmThe supreme court is taking a case where state legislatures say they have constitutional right to ignore the will of the voters and give their electoral votes for whoever they choose! The voters and the courts have no say in the matter. 12th amendment. Also they can ignore voter approved anti gerrymandering laws or state constitution requirements by state supreme court. The legislature is supreme and can ignore governor vetos courts or the voters. If the six conservatives agree does anyone think the american people will do nothing?
asset (720bf8) — 7/17/2022 @ 10:32 pmIn a country awash in guns, and no options short of a police state to eliminate them, we rely on good guys with guys taking out bad guys with guns.
Because the cops will be out in the hallway.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/17/2022 @ 11:30 pmTurn enough of these guys’ bodies in to hamburger
I would rather they were captured, given a quick trial then hanged publicly. Then fed to pigs.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/17/2022 @ 11:32 pm@180, and yet you probably approve of the National Popular Vote Compact which does the exact same thing.
You’re late to the party, though, our host blogged about that last week, with more attention to the facts.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/17/2022 @ 11:36 pmTurn enough of these guys’ bodies in to hamburger…
It’s been done:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5-yjO26ih0
DCSCA (5d5510) — 7/18/2022 @ 12:13 amApparently it is terribly important to you and DCSCA who felt the need to engage it twice. Here’s a little clue, it was a bit tongue in cheek. I’m having a little fun with the idea that a bunch of suits at CNN, MSNBC, or PBS are in a position of trust and authority.
Yes, I know propaganda is important to both of you. Thanks for helping me illustrate that. But appealing to authority isn’t a firm foundation for an argument and appealing to those people as authorities is ridiculous.
And now the question is which one of you will say some version of “except it’s not” first.
frosty (497886) — 7/18/2022 @ 3:46 amNice try but pro-abortion people didn’t tell the whole truth there either.
This story with the 10-year old is a situation where team pro-abortion should consider cutting its losses. Everyday it looks more like a ghoulish fixation on using the tragedy with this little girl to push your agenda that killing, on average, over 1000 babies a day is both necessary and good.
frosty (497886) — 7/18/2022 @ 4:09 amMore bad news on COVID in the US: The weekly average of cases is up 15.2 percent, the weekly average of hospitalizations is up 6.7 percent, and the weekly average of deaths is up 30.5 percent. (From the Washington Post, which has been making all its COVID coverage free.)
The latest variant to plague us, BA.5 is more transmissible than previous variants.
All that said, the daily averages are still far below previous peaks; for example, there were an average of 432 deaths per day in the last week, far lower than thousands we saw at peaks. But the trend is not our friend.
And COVID continues to affect health care, all over the world:
One of the dismaying things about this pandemic is that so few of us have the courage to face the problem, squarely. That’s not new. There is surprisingly little literature on the Black Death in Europe, and most prominent American historians mostly ignored the 1918 flu epidemic in the years after it hit.
We can, to some extent, forgive our ancestors, who had far less knowledge available. The germ theory of disease was not widely accepted until the 19th century, and we didn’t have pictures of viruses until Siemens invented the electron microscope in the 1930s.
But now, knowing more, we should do better than they did, in coping with pandemics.
Jim Miller (406a93) — 7/18/2022 @ 6:26 amhttps://www.sanmarcosrecord.com/news/fbi-raids-retired-san-marcos-couples-home
Thanks Liz Cheney.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/18/2022 @ 6:28 amThe Lizard is such a patriot.
Colonel Haiku (db3e37) — 7/18/2022 @ 6:38 amContinuing good news on US CO2 emissions. They have been declining, steadily, since near the end of the Bush administration. And that is in spite of our population growth and economic growth during that time. (We could have done even better, had we built more nuclear power plants, as I have urged for years. But opinion is changing on the subject, and, more and more, people are coming to agree with me.)
Of course, our progress on reducing CO2 has been more than erased by the surges in other nations, notably China.
Jim Miller (406a93) — 7/18/2022 @ 6:43 am#188
The artcle is interesting — and compiled completely from interviews with the two individuals. (Meaning the damning stuff about the warrant not being presented isn’t answered by the FBI). What Liz Chaney has to do with it is a mystery.
The FBI does overkill. Shock and awe is the intent.
Of course, someone hauling out a semi-automatic in a situation like this is…well, if I were the FBI, I would have my weapons trained on you too. They don’t know that you will not start firing on them.
Appalled (165ad4) — 7/18/2022 @ 6:58 amYes, and CNN didn’t even get a reach around…
Colonel Haiku (db3e37) — 7/18/2022 @ 7:06 amHaving just finished it, I can recommend, to most of you, Philipp Dettmer’s Immune, which describes our immensely complex immune systems. But I should give you this warning: His writing style may put some of you off, as it did me — at first.
Here, for example, are two brief selections from his chapter on the skin:
But not all bacteria. We have, on the average, 10 billion bacteria on our skins, at any given time.
This is not the kind of style commonly found in books on complex scientfic subjects. But, as I worked through the book, I came to appreciate his metaphors, because they make it easier for me to remember essential points.
Jim Miller (406a93) — 7/18/2022 @ 7:11 amThis reminds me Nicholson in As Good As It Gets, singing “Always look on the bright side of life”.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 7/18/2022 @ 7:35 amJim, I don’t believe the upswing in Covid cases is all that newsworthy, at least not until there’s an upswing in Covid deaths. Right now, the 7-day moving average is 251, the lowest level since over a year ago, 7/9/2021.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 7/18/2022 @ 7:40 am@186, OH law forces a 10YO rape victim to grow and deliver a baby. Do you feel that’s a just law or acceptable public policy?
Time123 (c9a505) — 7/18/2022 @ 8:04 amNicholson in As Good As It Gets, singing “Always look on the bright side of life”.
Better: Life of Brian
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/18/2022 @ 8:17 amJim, I don’t believe the upswing in Covid cases is all that newsworthy
It is, in this sense: It is incredibly easy for this strain to be transmitted. So, go ahead and take that plane trip or see that movie or go to that concert, but don’t say you weren’t warned.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/18/2022 @ 8:22 amPaul – Here’s the latest data from the Washington Post. According to them, COVID deaths are averaging 308 per day, up 31 percent from a week ago. And this is the summer. (I wonder how many of those cases were caught in air-conditioned places, but haven’t looked at the data, state by state, for clues.)
(As you may know, authorities in our area are considering restoring some mask requirements — and I have begun to wear a good one when, for example, I go into a Fred Meyer’s.)
Jim Miller (406a93) — 7/18/2022 @ 8:25 amJim,
I notice you’ve been quiet about the NIH admitting Fauci lied when discussing funding gain of function research overseas.
Yet you love to talk COVID. Why is that?
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/18/2022 @ 8:33 amHe threatened her with HIPAA, too. A person might naturally wonder why the digestive system acting as Indiana’s Attorney General would be so upset at a doctor for snitching out a pedo. Is Rokita a Moabite or an Ammonite name? (Jocasta’s grandchildren did not leave any progeny.)
How could you plausibly guess that, Sammy? How could the doctor possibly know anything more than what she was told by the child and “the family”?
nk (a6ef70) — 7/18/2022 @ 8:42 amBy the way, everyone. Watch this story:
https://www.axios.com/2022/07/15/burt-jones-fani-willis-georgia-trump-2020
The Fulton County DA is doing things in her Trump election interference investigation that is making certain Republicans uncomfortable. (Lindsey Graham, and now the GOP candidate for Lt Governor here in Georgia) What happens next will probably tell us if anything will ever come of all the purported legal moves against the Donald and his minions. If the judiciary moves against her, the answer is likely no.
Appalled (fa627b) — 7/18/2022 @ 8:58 amJim, data on excess deaths looks good right now.
But last summer was good also. If we’re going to see another surge excess deaths won’t show it quickly.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
Hospitalizations lag by less and they look pretty good for areas I’ve sampled.
Time123 (71ce5d) — 7/18/2022 @ 9:40 am@185. You may want to put down the mirror. The “authority” you’re so spooked about is a radio, interweb and TeeVee talk show host. That’s all. An entertaining opinionator on those platforms who is only broadcasting because his program content draws a huge audience around which those savvy, smart suits at profit-driven platforms peddle advertising to generate revenue. You know- Reaganomics! No audience; no revenue: no gig.
Perhaps you should listen to this a little more closely and recognize the audience for what it is… because the suits know who they’re marketing their product to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGJxhMMvjYU&t=87s
“TeeVee said that?” – Homer Simpson
DCSCA (c3bb6b) — 7/18/2022 @ 9:45 amIsrael getting the US to do its dirty work.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 7/18/2022 @ 9:52 amPlanned mass shooting at arena thwarted
A 28-year-old man distraught over a breakup with his girlfriend was arrested after police alleged he planned to shoot people leaving an event at an arena in downtown Memphis, Tennessee, according to authorities. – https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/planned-mass-shooting-at-arena-thwarted-police/ar-AAZFTNO#:~:text=Planned%20mass%20shooting%20at%20arena%20thwarted%3A%20Police%208,arena%20in%20downtown%20Memphis%2C%20Tennessee%2C%20according%20to%20authorities.
DCSCA (c3bb6b) — 7/18/2022 @ 9:55 amI love the part of the state report that notes that there were more armed cops at the school than there were defenders at the Alamo. It Texas, that’s utter damnation.
The Texas of 1836 was Jacksonian Democrats, Sam Houston, and Davy Crockett. The Texas of 2022 is Trump Republicans, Gregg Abbott, and Pete Arredondo. Περασμενα μεγαλεια να θημασαι και να κλες.
nk (b41288) — 7/18/2022 @ 10:00 amQuite correct, nk at 201. And Rokita is NWI “Region” trash (IOW, not some Little House or Father Murphy extra you see at Union Station) who sold out for statewide adulation.
urbanleftbehind (c2ebec) — 7/18/2022 @ 10:19 amfrosty: “This story with the 10-year old is a situation where team pro-abortion should consider cutting its losses.”
Time: “OH law forces a 10YO rape victim to grow and deliver a baby.”
Yes, this is when the spin machine is at full speed. We were first told that the media had acted unprofessionally and pushed a false narrative from an unscrupulous doctor who likely made it all up. And that Biden acted irresponsibly in peddling the story. Well that all crashed down. So as to not impugn their prognostication, team spin vectored over to the illegal alien and crazy liberal mother angles to try to move the story away what the Ohio law actually caused. Then we get a re-attack on the doctor to see if she did the proper reporting. More disappointment. Then we move over to whether a 10yr rape victim would de facto qualify for a medical abortion under the law. I forget if it was Popehat or who, but that line of argument leaked gas quickly as “10yr old” isn’t a medical condition and it’s unclear what changes if the victim is say 12 years old. Abortion doctors will err on the side of not going to jail. But we now get the cherry on the top by just declaring victory and telling the opposition they need to cut their losses. As Time correctly reminds, is no-rape-exception REALLY where Ohio wants to be on the question? I’m sure some small percent of voters say “yes” but that’s sure a tough one to sell to the majority.
AJ_Liberty (ec7f74) — 7/18/2022 @ 10:28 am“smart suits at profit-driven platforms peddle advertising to generate revenue. You know- Reaganomics!”
How is that not just…you know…capitalism? Maybe media works differently in your mother country….Stalinomics!
AJ_Liberty (ec7f74) — 7/18/2022 @ 10:35 amRIP pop artist Claes Oldenburg (93).
Rip Murdock (c1b246) — 7/18/2022 @ 10:42 am@Time123 @frosty
@AJ_Liberty:
You and Time123 is doing a bit of sleight of hand here.
While in abstract, I do think that’s a worthy question for OH politicians and voters to address, but it has no bearing on the 10yo rape victim.
She fell well into the “health of the mother” exception, as a 10yo is almost assuredly unable to carry the child to full term physically, but even faces enormous physiological change that a 10yo would be at severe risk to sustain.
whembly (b770f8) — 7/18/2022 @ 10:52 amI believe the Ohio Attorney General. No competent OB-GYN would testify that a full-term pregnancy would not pose severe detriment to the physical health of a ten-year old girl.
No, don’t believe the abortionists on this. “The family” did not travel to Indiana because they could not get an abortion in Ohio. It traveled to Indiana in hopes of avoiding detection of the girl’s abuse by Ohio law enforcement.
nk (1d9030) — 7/18/2022 @ 11:02 am@214 nk, I do believe there’s something to that story.
Did we find out if the mother was also an illegal immigrant?
The story seems to have died down quite a bit…
whembly (b770f8) — 7/18/2022 @ 11:05 amHow could you plausibly guess that, Sammy?
I remember watching a CSI episode where they enhanced an image of a hockey game, taken from a VHS tape, and read something sticking out of the pocket of a fan in the stands.
Sammy’s insight sometimes feels like that.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/18/2022 @ 11:05 am@214: Indeed. For the same reason they lied about the rapist. Momma didn’t want boyfriend to go to jail.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/18/2022 @ 11:09 amWhembly, IANAL but from my read of the OH law the 10 year old could not legally terminate her pregnancy until the danger to her health were present. The health of the mother doesn’t apply to her situation.
From the OH law:
IANAL but per the law she couldn’t have terminated the pregnancy legally. Nor could the doctor legally performed one.
So, this outcome, 10 year old rape victim has to go to another state to terminate her pregnancy, is in line with the OH law.
Time123 (54a8a1) — 7/18/2022 @ 11:10 am#217
And sometimes it’s confirmation bias writ large. The deduction thing is fun (and many of us play at it), but if it perpetually leads you to contrarian results, you may not be as Sherlock Holmes as you think you are.
Appalled (fa627b) — 7/18/2022 @ 11:16 am@211. If you gotta ask it’s above your paygrade, corporal. Start w/t demise of the Fairness Doctrine, Agarn: Reaganomics!
“Who says I’m dumb?!” – Corporal Randolph Agarn [Larry Storch] ‘F-Troop’ ABC TV 1965-67
DCSCA (befc98) — 7/18/2022 @ 11:19 amTime,
I think a doctor can reasonably claim that 1) a given 10yo cannot carry a baby to term without serious risk and 2) that aborting when she did is MUCH safer than waiting another 3-4 months until the actual danger manifests.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/18/2022 @ 11:19 am@218 Time. I’m telling you, I work in the healthcare industry.
There’s more to this story (see nk’s last post above).
Furthermore, no pediatrician would encourage a 10 yo (impregnated at late 9yo) would recommend a full term carry.
The risks is simply too much on a 10yo body, to the point that even if the 10yo was encouraged to carry, BOTH of the lives would be at really serious risks. Yes, history is filled with rapes this young (and even younger!***) and had to carry the pregnancy to term. But, it killed either the mother or baby (or both) in a much, MUCH higher rate then even young mothers in their teens.
***ick… some people really just deserves to be woodchippered…feet first***
I’m about as anti-abortion extremist as you can get, and even I know that there are very good clinical, practical reasons why a 10yo shouldn’t be encouraged to carry to term. Medical doctors knows this too, especially those practicing in the ER or even at places offering abortion services.
*side bar: This just goes to show how macabre the healthcare industries can get. I’ve been involved in numerous lean-six process analysis with clinicians, administrators, attorneys, and state agencies to actually “game plan” horrid scenarios like these. This is done so that there’s no “paralysis of indecision” with situations like this because at the end of the day, the patient’s wellbeing takes supremacy.
whembly (b770f8) — 7/18/2022 @ 11:28 amZelenskiy Ousts Ukraine’s Security Chief and Top Prosecutor
The head of the State Security Service Ivan Bakanov, a childhood friend of Zelenskiy whose appointment in 2019 was criticized over his lack of experience, was removed from his post amid questions over how Russian forces managed to take to the southern region of Kherson. Iryna Venediktova, installed as prosecutor general in 2020, is also a long-time Zelenskiy ally, who was a lawmaker on his party list.
Ukraine continues to identify people who “work for the enemy, who leak information to the enemy in the sixth month of the war,” Andriy Smyrnov, deputy chief of Zelenskiy’s staff, said Monday in televised comments.’ – Bloombergnews.com
From one Z to another: “Something familiar; Something peculiar; Something for everyone: A comedy tonight!” – Pseudolus [Zero Mostel] ‘A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Forum’ 1966
DCSCA (befc98) — 7/18/2022 @ 11:39 amInteresting substack:
https://damonlinker.substack.com/p/how-do-you-solve-a-problem-like-donald
How do you avoid that scenario?
Could we get behind someone like DeSantis or Youngkin to convince Trump not to run?
whembly (b770f8) — 7/18/2022 @ 11:43 ampossibly because if she did more then mothers if pregnant 10 year old girls might be reluctant to seek medical treatment
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/17/2022 @ 4:10 pm
There’s a typo there, and it comes out sounding a bit garbled. Just one letter is wrong,
It should be:
There should also be a comma after the word “more”
It should have read:
Kevin M: It’s going to come out that the little girl’s mother was in a relationship with the rapist, and may even have know about what he was doing with daughter. When she ended up pregnant, it couldn’t be hidden, although one has to ask why it took so long to get her to the doctor.
I think the whole idea of going to Indiana was partially so that the identity of the rapist, or even maybe the fact of the pregnancy, was so to keep the facts hidden. Ohio law didn’t really prohibit an abortion in such a case – or at least it is not clear that it was being interpreted – we’re told it was because the girl was just past six weeks pregnant.
Sammy Finkelman (b7dc9b) — 7/18/2022 @ 11:43 amTry 3:
possibly because if she did more, then mothers of pregnant 10 year old girls might be reluctant to seek medical treatment
The abortion doctor was not going to do anything that could cause another mother who heard of this to delay the abortion.
Sammy Finkelman (b7dc9b) — 7/18/2022 @ 11:47 amAn interesting thing that adam Schiff said the other day: Something worse than Trump running fir president and winning would be Trump running for president and losing.
Sammy Finkelman (b7dc9b) — 7/18/2022 @ 11:49 amIN response to my post to @224, here’s a former prosecutor arguing FOR a Trump prosecution:
whembly (b770f8) — 7/18/2022 @ 11:50 amhttps://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/07/prosecute-trump-january-6-doj/670511/?taid=62d180ab0c97d5000159e723&utm_campaign=the-atlantic&utm_content=true-anthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
Whembly, I appreciate your expertise in this area and I agree with you about the inevitable outcomes. But I don’t think the law in OH is written to support this common sense decision that you and I agree on.
It seems written to prevent abortion until there’s no other possibility. A pregnancy that will eventually kill the 10 year old isn’t a medical emergency until death or irreversible harm is imminent. But this is where I’d really appreciate a legal opinion.
You work in the industry. In your opinion what do you think a care provider is going to do in this situation? Take the risk and treat the patient or dodge the risk and send them across state lines?
Time123 (54a8a1) — 7/18/2022 @ 11:53 am@224, I could back Youngkin pretty easily. Desantis is a much tougher sell.
Time123 (54a8a1) — 7/18/2022 @ 11:53 amwhembly, I don’t disagree that the abortion should be allowed for a 10yr old…it’s just that the exemption will be at the discretion of the prosecutor. It’s not codified….and the principle then becomes a little sketchy. What if it’s a 12yr old? It would seem that the facts of the case ought to rule. There have been 10yr olds that have given birth (the number is small but not zero). It is undoubtedly risky. Does the law guide the prosecutor in how to make that decision? What are the thresholds? The law states the harm must be substantial AND irreversible. Would any sane abortion provider risk that ambiguity and criminal liability and do the abortion? Remember, that decision would have had to come before all of this public reassurance that a provider would not be prosecuted. If everyone agrees with this, then put it into the law so people don’t have to guess…otherwise ambiguity leads to this result.
AJ_Liberty (ec7f74) — 7/18/2022 @ 11:58 am@229
In all the institutions that I worked for, spanning multiple states: I have a hard time believing the provider WOULDN’T recommend the 10yo to abort, as it’s not even a risk. It’s easily defensible, even under OH current law.
Furthermore, encouraging a patient to “go somewhere else” due to legal considerations (ie, avoiding disclosure laws) or because of financial reasons, would break numerous state AND federal laws.
So, I’m tell you this: As nk alluding to earlier, there’s waaaaay more to this story than it appears and I wish folks on both sides of the abortion debate would stop trying to use this child as a political football.
whembly (b770f8) — 7/18/2022 @ 12:01 pm@230: Wouldn’t you support DeSantis, in lieu of Trump running?
It’s okay to play “prevent defense” here. 😉
whembly (b770f8) — 7/18/2022 @ 12:02 pm@223, If they’re the only 2 in the primary I’d vote for Desantis for sure. But that’s that just voting against Trump. It’s not voting for DeSantis.
In a DeSantis / Biden showdown the option of leaving that bubble blank becomes a possibility.
Time123 (54a8a1) — 7/18/2022 @ 12:05 pmWhembly, thank you for the POV on how the case would function within the medical industry. It will be interesting to see what develops further.
Time123 (54a8a1) — 7/18/2022 @ 12:08 pm@231 AJ_Liberty: These kinds of laws, which is especially prevalent in Healthcare, is not unusual. They’re purposely broad.
I’m curious what Patterico would say, as this is more in his wheelhouse, but from my perspective in my industry at least, so long as there’s a colorable reason that the provider’s discretion meets the definition of the law, prosecutors would be reluctant to take that providers to court (really, the hospital’s own legal team) because the prosecution would have to argue that they know the clinical situation better than the provider.
whembly (b770f8) — 7/18/2022 @ 12:08 pmhttps://nypost.com/2022/07/17/cargo-plane-operated-by-ukraine-carrier-meridian-crashes-in-greece/
mg (8cbc69) — 7/18/2022 @ 12:18 pmwtf, over.
#225
Y’know another possibility?
Simple ignorance of the law in Ohio. The Mother had heard that no way, no how would the child receive an abortion in Ohio and she took off to Indiana before doing any more research.
And another possibility?
The mother did not want to ask around in Ohio because she did not want to go whateve draconian process is imposed by Ohio.
And another possibility?
She did not want her daughter put through whatever questions she imagined Ohio might ask. (That would include your suggestion of the underaged boyfriend, but could include others)
Appalled (fa627b) — 7/18/2022 @ 12:26 pmAJ_Liberty (ec7f74) — 7/18/2022 @ 10:28 am
If you were rooting for the rape story to be true because it validated your worldview you might want to take a step back and reflect.
As has been pointed out this is a sleight of hand but for an additional reason. The shift from 10 yo rape victim to to the more broadly defined no-rape-exception wasn’t exactly subtle. It’s been the underlying motivation that drove the story from the beginning. That’s why we see you shifting the age and moving the goalposts and just asking questions.
If you’re using the rape of a 10 yo girl to expand the scope of the argument and drive your agenda you should probably do more than take time to reflect.
frosty (aab7fb) — 7/18/2022 @ 12:35 pm@Sammy A 10 yr old being raped (or even just molested) by a 17 yr old is still considered very serious CSA, a fact that the doctor would’ve known, so there wouldn’t have been any reason for the doc to list him as 17 instead of 27 unless that was the info the mother gave her. (message brought to you by a mandated reporter 😛 )
Nic (896fdf) — 7/18/2022 @ 12:35 pmAppalled (fa627b) — 7/18/2022 @ 12:26 pm
i think it works out better for this woman if she’s actually not the mother
but, you assume she is — for some reason
she might very well be, who knows
i just don’t like to assume the worst in people
JF (d9d793) — 7/18/2022 @ 12:41 pm@240, And your answer to the question I asked is?
Time123 (54a8a1) — 7/18/2022 @ 12:46 pmour laws are failing to adapt to the most crazy scenarios our border lawlessness can throw at us
look inward, people
JF (d9d793) — 7/18/2022 @ 12:47 pmObi-Thom-De-Jefferson scolds Daughter Darth:
“I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. Unsuccessful rebellions indeed generally establish the encroachments on the rights of the people which have produced them. An observation of this truth should render honest republican governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions, as not to discourage them too much. It is a medecine necessary for the sound health of government.” ― Thomas Jefferson, Letters of Thomas Jefferson
DCSCA (befc98) — 7/18/2022 @ 12:48 pmIf you were rooting for the rape story to be true because it validated your worldview you might want to take a step back and reflect.
bingo, frosty
JF (d9d793) — 7/18/2022 @ 12:52 pmAppalled (fa627b) — 7/18/2022 @ 12:26 pm
Here is the original story:
So
Maybe but she was already talking to a doctor in OH.
The mother was already asking around OH. Or at least questions were being asked in OH by someone.
Same.
One of the many unfortunate aspects of this case is the degree to which pro-abortion advocates want to simply ignore the rapist. I’m still convinced that the only reason the guy was arrested was because the story blew open. This last comment possibly seems to imply that it’s a good thing IL asks fewer questions of rape victims.
frosty (aab7fb) — 7/18/2022 @ 12:58 pmHi JF,
When I used “Mother”, I am referring to the parent of the 10-yr old, who I figure is not the decisionmaker here.
Appalled (fa627b) — 7/18/2022 @ 12:59 pmCan you be more specific?
frosty (aab7fb) — 7/18/2022 @ 1:03 pmOH law forces a 10YO rape victim to grow and deliver a baby. (Exception for medical emergency requires imminent death or harm) Do you feel that’s a just law or acceptable public policy?
Time123 (36726a) — 7/18/2022 @ 1:10 pm#245
What do you think, DCSCA. Think we need some armed rebellion? Or you afrad that might disrupt our comfortable lives?
Appalled (c291bf) — 7/18/2022 @ 1:11 pm@251. Your Royalist Redcoat is showing; never met an American yet who wasn’t rebellious.
DCSCA (437fca) — 7/18/2022 @ 1:30 pmArmed rebellion, turning people into hamburger. Getting pretty violent here. Usually I am the one accused of advocating violence here! I said this would be dred scott II.
asset (e69b2c) — 7/18/2022 @ 1:32 pm#251
Well, I do like tea and my mother in law was UK (never got US citizenship, either).
But the key word is “armed” and you never answered the question.
Appalled (c291bf) — 7/18/2022 @ 1:33 pmAt one time, it was common for politicians who opposed abortion generally to allow for three exceptions: incest, rape, and the life of the mother. With the hardening of attitudes among both pro-life and pro-abortion activists, support for those three exceptions seems to have diminished. (I don’t know if there are any recent polls on the subject, but I would not be surprised to learn they still have the support of a large majority of voters.)
Jim Miller (406a93) — 7/18/2022 @ 1:33 pmUm — make that #252…
Appalled (c291bf) — 7/18/2022 @ 1:34 pmHere is where it is reported that te Indiana abortion doctor Dr. Caitlin Bernard, said the abuser was 17:
https://www.indystar.com/story/news/health/2022/07/14/ohio-abortion-10-year-old-indiana-todd-rokita-dr-caitlin-bernard/65373626007
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 7/18/2022 @ 1:35 pm@253. You’ll notice Obi-Thom-de-Jefferson didn’t quill ‘armed’ rebellion; Appalled did. Such is the mindset of Royalist Redcoats with the drawn bridge raised, cowering in the castle. 😉
DCSCA (437fca) — 7/18/2022 @ 1:36 pm@254. Except it was.
The Force is weak with this one, eh Daughter Darth? 😉
DCSCA (437fca) — 7/18/2022 @ 1:38 pm“If you were rooting for the rape story to be true because it validated your worldview you might want to take a step back and reflect.”
Hey, I was more than comfortable in waiting for the facts of the story to come out. My world view isn’t so brittle that I have to always assume my political opponents are villains. You and JF assumed the story was false…and were celebrating when the fact checkers were unsure. In the end, you were wrong….and the journalists were correct. Some people would just admit they were wrong and move on….others need to keep rationalizing….
AJ_Liberty (ec7f74) — 7/18/2022 @ 1:39 pmThen what’s the point?
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 7/18/2022 @ 1:44 pm#258
This is also from Jefferson:
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
Both quote come from the time of Shays’ Rebellion, which most definitely was armed.
So, DCSCA, are you adopting Jefferson’s platform as your own?
Appalled (c291bf) — 7/18/2022 @ 1:46 pmI’ve already said that I don’t believe that’s what the law requires. But you shouldn’t be surprised that you can find legal analysis on both sides of an issue. Here’s an example:
Emphasis mine.
This is the sort of legal analysis the pro-abortion crowd loves. But let’s think about it for a minute. I think OH law says something about a physician’s good faith medical judgment several places and I thought I saw a reasonableness standard in there somewhere. The person in this article, and you, would have everyone believe that this creates a legal gray area. Yes, it’s the same legal gray area doctors operate in everyday. Someone presents with one condition you give them a drug and they die. Was there something you didn’t know? Did you make the correctr decision? Did you make it in time? Was that malpractice? Negligence? There are always concerns about how doctors comply with the law. But they’ll need a lot more than someone just asking questions down the line before they’re really facing a fifth-degree felony. The article, and the Professor probably, are also playing a bit of a trick with fifth-degree felony since most people probably think that’s even worse than one of those first-degree felonies (spoiler alert: it isn’t).
So sure, push the FUD. Obviously, everything is just so unclear and vague, at least to the pro-abortion crowd, that we need to get rid of all of these pesky limitations and restrictions.
An irony buried in this situation is that somehow the pro-abortion crowd is simply unable to see the natural and continuous sequence from fertilized egg to, what they describe as, a person but is completely able to imagine how a female who is physically unable to carry a baby to term because of the imminent, and very real, risk doesn’t have a medical emergency. In both cases they imagine a discontinuity that they can’t locate but they’re certain exists. The 10yo had a medical emergency. She simply had more time to deal with it than a person having a heart attack.
frosty (aab7fb) — 7/18/2022 @ 1:49 pmHi Sammy,
OK, I see where you got “age 17” from. Consider that subject closed.
Appalled (c291bf) — 7/18/2022 @ 1:52 pmThe point is girl is 10 years old. The other stuff is just excuses. Their will soon be others. The border issue will be hard for democrat party to overcome however as the left is using it as a cudgel over the democrat establishment.
asset (e69b2c) — 7/18/2022 @ 1:53 pm@262. =yawn= whined the Royalist Redcoat…
“I do not know whether it is to yourself or Mr. Adams I am to give my thanks for the copy of the new constitution. I beg leave through you to place them where due. It will be yet three weeks before I shall receive them from America. There are very good articles in it: and very bad. I do not know which preponderate. What we have lately read in the history of Holland, in the chapter on the Stadtholder, would have sufficed to set me against a Chief magistrate eligible for a long duration, if I had ever been disposed towards one: and what we have always read of the elections of Polish kings should have forever excluded the idea of one continuable for life. Wonderful is the effect of impudent and persevering lying. The British ministry have so long hired their gazetteers to repeat and model into every form lies about our being in anarchy, that the world has at length believed them, the English nation has believed them, the ministers themselves have come to believe them, and what is more wonderful, we have believed them ourselves. Yet where does this anarchy exist? Where did it ever exist, except in the single instance of Massachusets? And can history produce an instance of a rebellion so honourably conducted? I say nothing of it’s motives. They were founded in ignorance, not wickedness. God forbid we should ever be 20. years without such a rebellion.1 The people can not be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had 13. states independant 11. years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century and a half for each state. What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure. Our Convention has been too much impressed by the insurrection of Massachusets: and in the spur of the moment they are setting up a kite to keep the hen yard in order. I hope in god this article will be rectified before the new constitution is accepted.’ – Thomas Jefferson
https://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collections/tree-liberty-quotation
The question is, are you denying the quiller of wisdom behind The Sacred Scrolls? The Founding Fathers were Gods, you know– even on the second try. 😉
DCSCA (437fca) — 7/18/2022 @ 1:57 pm@261. Let’s ask Ashli Babbitt.
DCSCA (437fca) — 7/18/2022 @ 1:58 pmGiven DCSCA’s standard that those who support Ukraine should sign up and fight, can we expect him to lead the rebellion?
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 7/18/2022 @ 1:59 pm@268. Only fools support corrupt Ukraine– and Congress is loaded with them. T’is not an American fight to finance. But feel free to volunteer, Rip; camo-up and join the turf war. Moran is always recruiting fresh gangsters for cannon fodder to battle Capone. Some top mob job openings there now, too. Be a Z Buddy- get a gig. Just remember the Ukrainian government, one of the most corrupt in Europe aside from Russia- has mandated that men aged 18 to 60 are not allowed to leave the country. You know– “democracy.”
DCSCA (437fca) — 7/18/2022 @ 2:09 pmNon-sequitur. How does an unarmed rebellion succeed, as Jefferson’s quote was about the definitely armed Shay’s Rebellion?
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 7/18/2022 @ 2:09 pmFrosty, Not entirely clear if you’re saying “Yes public policy should allow her to terminate her pregnancy” or not.
Also, i posted how this law defines a medical emergency and unless I’m reading it incorrectly the child in question wasn’t there yet.
Time123 (54a8a1) — 7/18/2022 @ 2:10 pm@269-
Another non-sequitur. Unwilling to “camo up” and lead the rebellion here?
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 7/18/2022 @ 2:10 pm#266
So DCSCA is a believer in unarmed rebellion and believes Jefferson was as well (because didn’t he lay that all out in casual correspondence with his friend Madison) and faults Liz Chaney for being upset that armed people came into the capitol and why isn’t she in accord with Jefferson’s belief in the periodic unarmed rebellion?
Taking DCSCA seriously is often the short pathway to a long migraine.
Appalled (c291bf) — 7/18/2022 @ 2:11 pm@270. Except it’s not. Ask Ashli Babbitt; the Redcoated Royalists were certainly armed. But then, as Ob-Thom-de-Jefferson noted, ‘What signify a few lives lost in a century or two?’… and we know he was a Foundiung Father; a God. Might wanna as MLK about rebellions– or your grandma who burned a bra or two as well.
DCSCA (437fca) — 7/18/2022 @ 2:15 pm#266
Jefferson is the author of the Declaration of Independence which, courtesy of Lincoln, the Reconstruction Amendments, and Supreme Court usage, is the mainspring of so many of our liberties.
He also was comfortable owning slaves and using them for his, um, comfort. He also said stupid stuff. Neither Liz Chaney and I have to agree with stupid stuff. Since you keep coming back to this quote, though, I fugure that you do. Since you sometimes like the passive agressive path to enlightenment, it’s a little hard to tell whether you own this statement(with qualifications), or figure smebody else has to.
Appalled (c291bf) — 7/18/2022 @ 2:17 pm@273. Try more mustard on that pretzel, Dr. Zaius–and review your Sacred Scrolls:
‘Beware the beast Man, for he is the Devil’s pawn. Alone among God’s primates, he kills for sport or lust or greed. Yea, he will murder his brother to possess his brother’s land. Let him not breed in great numbers, for he will make a desert of his home and yours. Shun him; drive him back into his jungle lair, for he is the harbinger of death.’
DCSCA (437fca) — 7/18/2022 @ 2:20 pmAppalled, have you ever known DCSCA to concede a point?
norcal (da5491) — 7/18/2022 @ 2:22 pm@275. “He [Thomas Jefferson] also said stupid stuff.”
ROFLMAOPIP! Heresy, Dr. Zaius!
But then, that happens in the ‘course of human events.’ 😉
DCSCA (437fca) — 7/18/2022 @ 2:23 pm#277
No. But he makes an awesome pretzel sometimes refusing to do so.
Appalled (c291bf) — 7/18/2022 @ 2:24 pmNeither Liz Chaney and I have to agree with stupid stuff.
Your Redcoats are showing; neither you nor Liz Cheney quilled the Declaration of Independence, either.
DCSCA (437fca) — 7/18/2022 @ 2:26 pm#280
Nope — that was Joe Biden for his 5th grade class in rhetoric.
Appalled (c291bf) — 7/18/2022 @ 2:30 pm@272. Rebellion? Wholly support bra burning and by all means serve Brett caviar at the bar so he’s closer to the Heineken on tap.
DCSCA (437fca) — 7/18/2022 @ 2:31 pmTime123 (54a8a1) — 7/18/2022 @ 2:10 pm
I think I answered this question but you’ve misstated the law. I think it’s important to deal with that first. The law and public policy in OH allows for the abortion in this case. Do you agree with that or no?
You didn’t have anything about that in @250. I looked at your other posts but I don’t understand what you are trying to say in the emphasized section above.
frosty (aab7fb) — 7/18/2022 @ 2:33 pmIndiana’s law was more liberal than Ohio’s, even though Indiana is amore conservative state, because Indiana did not have a trigger law nor a test case law passed to give the Supreme Court a chance to overturn challenge Roe, but it’s expected to severely restrict abortion in a special legislative session scheduled to start on July 25.
Partial timeline from previous article and this one:
https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/crime/2022/07/18/10-year-old-abortion-ohio-girl-indiana-gerson-fuentes/10068034002
(Also another source)
Wednesday, June 22: Police in Ohio made aware of the rape through a referral by Franklin County Children Services “that was made by her mother.” I suppose that means a report by her mother about the pregnancy. Children Services workers are mandated reporters. Mother probably said male was unknown.
Friday June 24: Roe overruled. Trigger Ohio law prohibiting (most) abortions when fetal heart activity is detected goes into effect.
Monday June 27: Dr. Bernard contacted by doctor in Ohio, who probably did not want any legal questions raised about it.
Wednesday, June 29: Girl travels to Indianapolis, Indiana, and has a consultation. I don’t know what the old Indiana law requires, but Dr. Bernard also probably wants to obtain (verbal) consent from the girl even though it may not be legally required.
Thursday, June 30: Abortion is performed, probably medication abortion, which may take a day or two to be complete.
Friday July 1: Story that included this case published in Indianapolis Star.
https://www.indystar.com/story/news/health/2022/07/01/indiana-abortion-law-roe-v-wade-overturned-travel/7779936001 (Note: Story was updated July 8)
Saturday July 2: Bernard files the required “terminated pregnancy form” with the Indiana Department of Health and the Department of Children Services. Police obtain genetic material from the Indianapolis clinic the same day.
(Yes, she apparently goes to the newspapers first.)
While under Ohio public records law, police reports generated from a mandatory reporter and involving accusations of child abuse may not be released until the case is finished, this does not apply to some other kind of records in Indiana.
Wednesday July 6: 10-year old girl gets interviewed by Ohio detectives and identifies 27-year old Gerson Fuentes as the man who impregnated her.
Friday July 8: President Biden talks about it, saying it was reported “just last week” that “a 10-year-old girl was a rape victim….and she was forced to have to travel out of the state to Indiana to seek to terminate the pregnancy and maybe save her life.”
Tuesday July 12: Search warrant requiring Fuentes to supply DNA is served on Fuentes. (supplying physical material does not violate the 5th amendment rule against self-incrimination. That applies only to verbal testimony. It’s not being forced to a witness)
Fuentes is also interviewed at that time. Fuentes acknowledges vaginal contact with the girl on at least two occasions (probably thinking he is not admitting the key point) and is arrested (because that’s enough to violate the law.)
Presumably he was not given a Miranda warning because the results of the test had not come back so they weren’t yet prepared to arrest him unless he confessed to a crime.
Meanwhile, skepticism grows and the Wall Street Journal publishes an editorial questioning the whole thing:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/an-abortion-story-too-good-to-confirm-joe-biden-ten-year-old-girl-indiana-ohio-caitlin-bernard-11657648618
Wednesday July 13: The Columbus Dispatch reports that a Columbus, Ohio, man named Fuentes has been charged with the rape of a 10-year-old Ohio girl who traveled to Indiana for an abortion.
Wall Street Journal publishes a editorial correcting what the previous day’s editorial said.
Thursday July 14: IndyStar receives copy of the “terminated pregnancy” form Dr. Bernard filed in Indiana stating the “approximate age” of the father was 17.
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 7/18/2022 @ 2:34 pmI actually got age 17 from a third hand source — I think I was taking a little risk that it wouldn’t be backed up, so I searched for it.. It hadn’t been contradicted though.
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 7/18/2022 @ 2:39 pmThe next January 6 hearing will be on Thursday night at 8 pm ZEDT and will focus on 187 minutes (till Trump finally made a public call for the rioters to leave the Capitol) That was not actually the end, and they had started leaving before-were being pushed out..
There may be another one or two in September in conjunction with an interim report. Probably more a presentation than a hearing.
And of course another hearing is always possible if they encounter a witness they want to put on.
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 7/18/2022 @ 2:43 pm“Jim,
I notice you’ve been quiet about the NIH admitting Fauci lied when discussing funding gain of function research overseas.
Yet you love to talk COVID. Why is that?”
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That is so dry I had to visit the fridge for a frosty Spindrift Grapefruit water. Damn funny!
Colonel Haiku (74e76e) — 7/18/2022 @ 3:01 pmThat is so dry I had to visit the fridge for a frosty Spindrift Grapefruit water. Damn funny!
Colonel Haiku (74e76e) — 7/18/2022 @ 3:01 pm
Have you tried Spindrift iced tea with lemon flavor? It beats the others I’ve tried.
Hear me now and thank me later.
norcal (da5491) — 7/18/2022 @ 3:20 pm@288. Thank Arnold Palmer instead:
https://www.thespruceeats.com/arnold-palmer-mocktail-recipe-760357
DCSCA (03aa96) — 7/18/2022 @ 3:24 pm“Only fools support corrupt Ukraine”
Good to hear from Vlad
AJ_Liberty (ec7f74) — 7/18/2022 @ 3:30 pmFederal prosecutors drop charges against Colbert team members arrested at Capitol
Federal prosecutors have declined to prosecute members of a production team associated with Stephen Colbert’s late-night comedy show who were arrested last month on Capitol Hill.
A production team involved with The Late Show with Stephen Colbert, which airs on CBS, had been charged with unlawful entry had a court date set for next month after being arrested by Capitol Police while filming segments for cigar-smoking puppet Triumph the Insult Comic Dog handled by comedian Robert Smigel.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/federal-prosecutors-drop-charges-colbert-team-members-arrested-capitol
Ashli Babbitt remains unavailable for comment.
DCSCA (03aa96) — 7/18/2022 @ 3:33 pmUkraine has stopped Russian advances, at least for now:
(Emphasis added.)
It is too early to start planning victory parades, or preparing for Putin’s trial, but with the continuing inflow of new weapons — which have proved superior to Putin’s — we have reason to hope that, within months, Putin may be clearly defeated, something every decent person would celebrate.
There is more and more evidence that Putin is running short of men, too, as this strange story illustrates:
According to the article: “Last month, Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree that would provide a payment of $81,500, equivalent to 5 million Russian rubles, to the families of members of Russia’s National Guard who died in Ukraine or Syria, Reuters reported.”
Ukraine claims tha the Russian death toll has “reached about 38,450”. (Generally, total casualties are several times higher than deaths.)
Jim Miller (406a93) — 7/18/2022 @ 3:36 pmSorry, I like some sweetener. Try Honest Tea & Lemonade.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/18/2022 @ 3:37 pmHard to gain territory when the highest ranking surviving officer is a Lieutenant.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/18/2022 @ 3:42 pm@290. Only fools, Agarn:
“Putin knows if I am president of the United States, his days of tyranny and trying to intimidate the United States and those in Eastern Europe are over.” – Squinty McStumblebum, 2019
=mike-drop=
DCSCA (03aa96) — 7/18/2022 @ 3:51 pm#194 Paul – I see you commented about that car-for-Russian-soldier-death story before I did. I hadn’t noticed that, when I wrote my comment. My apologies for not linking to your comment.
Jim Miller (406a93) — 7/18/2022 @ 3:53 pmSorry, I like some sweetener. Try Honest Tea & Lemonade.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/18/2022 @ 3:37 pm
Yes, but if Haiku is drinking Spindrift Grapefruit then he’s not exactly into sweet beverages.
norcal (da5491) — 7/18/2022 @ 3:54 pmHey, I was more than comfortable in waiting for the facts of the story to come out.
AJ_Liberty (ec7f74) — 7/18/2022 @ 1:39 pm
have the facts of the story come out?
why don’t you outline what happened then, for everyone’s benefit, from wherever you think the story started until it ended
JF assumed the story was false…
nope
…and were celebrating when the fact checkers were unsure
i was celebrating that fact checkers were dragged kicking and screaming into fact checking it
what does it tell you that a week later they couldn’t confirm it?
JF (e2952a) — 7/18/2022 @ 4:33 pmSigh.
I see two types of conversation that are virtual constants.
1) Talking past each other
2) Motte and bailey
At some point, one gets a sense of those who engage in good faith, and those who have egos so big they just bob and weave.
norcal (da5491) — 7/18/2022 @ 4:44 pmI see two types of conversation that are virtual constants.
There are some who are simply asserters, often with some ideology tinting their facts.
There are some who are simply asserters, but their facts come from a Ouija board and/or a canned statement generator.
There are those that flood the discussion with cherry-picked facts to further there ideological beliefs. At times, they will admit that the thing they forwarded is flawed.
There are some who attempt to argue based on ideology, but will admit that some fact or idea that doesn’t favor their ideology is true, however grudgingly.
There are those who actually seek answers to questions, are not wedded to any strict ideology, and will promptly admit when they are wrong. But they don’t come here.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/18/2022 @ 4:59 pmI had the Arizona Ice Tea Arnold Palmer 1/2 and 1/2 yesterday. DCSCA would like it, it’s inspiration being a near-Yinz from Latrobe PA.
urbanleftbehind (543008) — 7/18/2022 @ 5:02 pmI’m an iced tea, junkie, ULB. (For a long time, it felt like something decadent, due to my Mormon upbringing.) I brew it fresh. Sometimes I add sugar and lemon, and other times I drink it straight. It has to be really good to drink it straight, however.
The best I ever had was at a diner in Alhambra, CA. I went to the company that supplied the diner its tea and coffee, and bought a large amount of tea. To my chagrin, it did not taste like the stuff I had at the diner. Now the diner is closed, and it feels like I’m on a forever quest for that special glass of tea.
Tejava, a bottled, unsweetened tea sold in grocery stores, is good, but it’s gone through the bottling process. I suspect the health benefits of freshly brewed tea are superior.
norcal (da5491) — 7/18/2022 @ 5:12 pm@301.Pittsburgher by birth; Latrobe just up the road. An Arnold Palmer is a sweet summer treat. BTW, Arnie had lines to the Rolling Rock brewery run into his place back in the day. Them little green bottles of heaven are a fine brew indeed.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 7/18/2022 @ 5:19 pmMy GF and love the original Tejava. We buy it by the case.
Rip Murdock (c1b246) — 7/18/2022 @ 6:36 pmMy GF and I….
Rip Murdock (c1b246) — 7/18/2022 @ 6:37 pmApollo 11 Flight Log, July 18, 1969: Entering the Moon’s Gravity
53 years ago today…
https://www.space.com/26568-apollo-11-moon-mission-day-3.html
DCSCA (10cf77) — 7/18/2022 @ 8:21 pmMy GF and love the original Tejava. We buy it by the case.
Rip Murdock (c1b246) — 7/18/2022 @ 6:36 pm
I love the taste so much that I bought some Tejava home-brew tea bags at roughly $1 per single cup bag. Yes, that’s right. A bag that brews eight ounces of tea.
It didn’t taste like the bottled Tejava at all. I’m so disappointed.
norcal (da5491) — 7/18/2022 @ 8:23 pmThese German elitists are losers and are probably still scurrying around trying to convince everyone that Trump was wrong
steveg (b96d2e) — 7/18/2022 @ 8:25 pmhttps://twitter.com/i/status/1548624330396934144
@310 I understand that laughter can help warm the body. Should come in hand this winter.
norcal (da5491) — 7/18/2022 @ 8:39 pmGood guy with a gun as the solution to school mass shootings vindicated in indiana mall. Only 3 people killed before gunman! So armed civilians running around schools is the solution to the problem of school shootings. right?
asset (543b65) — 7/18/2022 @ 9:03 pm@311. Sure! If you live in Tombstone, Arizona circa 1880.
DCSCA (10cf77) — 7/18/2022 @ 9:12 pm@311. Malls routinely have security guards on patrol walking the retail floors- and some anchor brick & mortars have their own security teams a foot as well.
No mention of any of them in this at all.
DCSCA (10cf77) — 7/18/2022 @ 9:22 pm312 sarcasm to subtel?
asset (543b65) — 7/18/2022 @ 11:06 pmI actually don’t like Tejava — it has a weird, somewhat astringent, aftertaste. I dislike Gold Peak because it is even more that way. For unsweetened tea, the only thing I like is the Lipton, believe it or not.
I dislike ALL “tea with lemon” and most sweet teas. The Arizona Arnold Palmer tends to be artificially sweetened — enough said. The only A.P. I like is the Honest half-sweet one. I buy that from Amazon by the case.
As for brewed tea, there are so many good choices. I was surprised recently that the mundane Lipton tea gab makes a fairly good tea. I tend to go for a Twining or maybe Constant Comment.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/18/2022 @ 11:20 pmMalls routinely have security guards on patrol walking the retail floors
Some of them were moonlighting in Uvalde.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/18/2022 @ 11:23 pmasset, if 400 armed police could not take down one shooter (and really, watch those cowards on video) then, yes, arming janitors is a better idea than relying on the Uvalde police.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/18/2022 @ 11:24 pmI actually don’t like Tejava — it has a weird, somewhat astringent, aftertaste.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/18/2022 @ 11:20 pm
I didn’t cotton to it at first, but now that I’ve acquired the taste I consider it superior to any other bottled or canned iced tea. It’s so good it doesn’t need any sweetener.
Rip and his girlfriend know what I’m talking about.
norcal (da5491) — 7/19/2022 @ 12:37 amhttps://dailycaller.com/2022/07/18/biden-transgender-health-and-human-services-rachel-levine-empower-kids-sex-changes/
mg (8cbc69) — 7/19/2022 @ 2:21 amThose who did not vote for Trump voted for this bastardina in a dress. Idiots.
288… Thanks, I’ll give that a try.
Colonel Haiku (d9fc01) — 7/19/2022 @ 3:49 amasset (543b65) — 7/18/2022 @ 9:03 pm
You know who else needs to worry about armed civilians? Or, let me say it differently, armed owners of private property and small businesses.
Do armed civilians make you worry about getting your riot on?
frosty (cc4cc3) — 7/19/2022 @ 4:30 amWith Colbert’s team getting a “get out of jail free” card it once again shows how politicallyy motivated the Jan 6th prosecutions are. Anyone getting charged for tresspassing into the capitol should cite the prosecutor dropping these cases as proof of these political prosecutions. Those that committed violence are a different matter.
NJRob (584a7c) — 7/19/2022 @ 5:34 amRep Pete Meijer had a bill proposed to reform the emergency powers act.
https://twitter.com/repmeijer/status/1549364031814881281?s=21&t=WZiDZX6HeDMEhg5AlBD2UA
While sadly doomed (he’s a Republican) this would an excellent reform.
Time123 (38dd39) — 7/19/2022 @ 5:51 amwhen you’ve lost Trevor Noah
JF (4ded11) — 7/19/2022 @ 6:44 am“the president’s approval rating is now hovering somewhere between long-Covid and the Uvalde Police Departments”
@324, Once again I’ll remind you. No one not named biden felt joy that biden won. He was purely the least bad alternative when compared to trump.
Had he run unopposed he’d have lost.
Time123 (38dd39) — 7/19/2022 @ 6:51 amTime123 (38dd39) — 7/19/2022 @ 6:51 am
the reason why you own him hardly matters
JF (4ded11) — 7/19/2022 @ 7:01 am@325 I know this is a mantra that soothes the soul. But I’m wondering in what practical way he’s the least bad alternative on Russia, the economy, constitutional integrity, inflation, energy, crime, corruption, competence, foreign relations, ability to complete sentences, ability to walk around without getting lost, etc. His approval rating is horrible for a reason and that’s in spite of the fawning media coverage.
And, in the hopes of being clear, I’m not saying DT was good at those things.
This notion that you’d rather see JB/KH turn everything they touch to crap instead of entertain the possibility that DT wouldn’t doesn’t seem like a winning strategy.
frosty (aab7fb) — 7/19/2022 @ 7:24 amBiden is a placeholder….an oddity of history. He’ll share the fate of LBJ….unmarketable. The DEMs will find an alternative but their bench is unremarkable…maybe a couple of past governors but no one that screams excitement.
However, if the GOP runs Trump, the DEMs won’t need much. Trump in the primary will likely drive the contest to who can out looney the next. Good people will be marginalized as he did in 2016.
We might get DeSantis, though I fear he might be peaking a little early and will fall due to fatigue and fear that no one will like him in the swing states. Maybe Haley rises…Youngkin is a little short on experience….Pence is too weak…..eventually it will be anyone but Trump….hopefully someone who doesn’t subscribe to vast voter fraud theories and can get us beyond populist platitudes…..
AJ_Liberty (c82e21) — 7/19/2022 @ 7:32 amPlease fish 329 out of moderation. I discovered a new blocked word.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/19/2022 @ 8:33 amThis notion that you’d rather see JB/KH turn everything they touch to crap instead of entertain the possibility that DT wouldn’t doesn’t seem like a winning strategy.
Frosty, this is the problem with two terrible candidates are on offer. Sometimes, when the evils are so great, it is hard to find the lesser one.
Biden ran a lying campaign about working for all Americans, and seemed rational and “Presidential”, then governed from the enviroweenie Left and showed his age.
Trump, otoh, presented himself (particularly at the first debate) as an unhinged talkradio ranter. He pretty much did everything he possibly could do to lose, including a don’t-get-out-the-vote campaign.
The problem with running for re-election is that we have the first term as background, and Trump’s ability to repel all capable people from his administration and his inability to get things done was there for all to see.
I hope both parties find better choices in 2024. I don’t see many of offing for Democrats — they aren’t going to run Manchin — but the GOP can do far better than Donald Trump.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/19/2022 @ 8:45 amHe’ll share the fate of LBJ….unmarketable
LBJ won 1964 in a massive landslide. What lost in 1968 was not LBJ, but Vietnam.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/19/2022 @ 8:48 amhttps://freebeacon.com/campus/parent-who-exposed-pornographic-library-books-sues-after-school-bans-him-from-property/
Someone want to justify this?
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/19/2022 @ 8:50 amBiden is a placeholder….an oddity of history. He’ll share the fate of LBJ….unmarketable
LBJ was a masterful politican, Agarn. Persuasive; powerful. Vietnam was his self-inflicted would.
Biden’s not even in his league.
He’s a bum.
DCSCA (dbe01a) — 7/19/2022 @ 9:09 am^would = wound
DCSCA (dbe01a) — 7/19/2022 @ 9:10 amKevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/19/2022 @ 8:45 am
Let’s put a pin in this.
Not trying to misquote you here but this puts a lot on seemed, i.e. that he looked rational. But all of the signs were there for anyone who wanted to see them.
This is also a presentation issue. Trump’s policies were functional independent of whatever image was presented. This also seems a bit like a POV or confirmation bias issue.
So, if we go back to that pin, I don’t see many people making an attempt to find the lesser evil. In both cases most of the discussion around these two is not just inaccurate, it’s dishonest.
frosty (aab7fb) — 7/19/2022 @ 9:14 amHowever, if the GOP runs Trump, the DEMs won’t need much.
Much? They have nothing. ‘Lest HRC answers the call for VP.
If Trump runs, he’ll win… and he’ll simply ‘go Gipper’ and throw the famed ‘Hail Mary’:
‘Are you better off now than you were four years ago?’
Nope.
Unless you’re Daughter Darth w/a neoconned-Halliburton inheritance.
DCSCA (dbe01a) — 7/19/2022 @ 9:17 amGroomers gotta groom. The number of children available to pdfiles hasn’t kept up with demand so steps are being taken.
frosty (aab7fb) — 7/19/2022 @ 9:17 am328, I think DeSantis might look to several combinations of states in the North-East, get everything not NY or MA, by trying to sell himself as a historical milestone to the real life Jon Bon Jovi and fictional Meadow Soprano voters (left of center Eyetalians, such that remain or haven’t moved to FL). That’s one way to overcome Rust Belt pettiness against Sun Belt candidates
urbanleftbehind (504b65) — 7/19/2022 @ 9:19 amAppeared rational policy wise but certainly not in the mental and brain function sense. It helped Biden to simply not be Bernie, Jay Inslee or Eric the Red Swall_wswell.
urbanleftbehind (504b65) — 7/19/2022 @ 9:21 am@339. He’s a bum — always has been. And a creep. This generation of young journalists gave him a pass when pros in years past nailed his lying ass for plagiarism. Perpetually incompetent and the consummate senatorial windbag, as Brit Hume called him to his face- the bum has been a creep swamp creature from an illrelevant state for half a century, swam with other swamp creatures for decades– has an unelected wife who makes excuses for his swamp creature incompetence and a corrupt, swamp creatured, drug and sex-addicted kid who reflects how poorly he was raised by his politician parent. He’s a total POS. And meow: a cat would bury him.
DCSCA (dbe01a) — 7/19/2022 @ 9:43 am@331, the analogy was with 1968…and I’m not sure how you can disentangle LBJ from his handling of Vietnam. To lose your party means he lost their trust on the issue. Biden’s lack of sharpness is losing the trust of DEMs now.
“I don’t see many of offing for Democrats”
Mark Warner on paper is better than most DEMs, but he’s probably not liberal enough for the base. Hickenlooper might fit in that boat too but he’s a bit odd…and got zero traction last time in a weak field. Tim Kaine isn’t loved by the hard left but might be willing to jump in where Warner might not want the hassle. I can’t imagine that they won’t want to press Harris as hard as they can. She’s cultivated Hillary’s likability. Abrams needs to win and do the governor job before she can generate broader appeal. I disagree with all of them policy wise so I’m hoping the GOP comes through. There needs to be as much negativity as possible toward Trump…it would be a generational disaster for the GOP to nominate him again…..
AJ_Liberty (ec7f74) — 7/19/2022 @ 10:07 amTHU during primetime, the country is going to see what Trump did for 187min while the Capitol was attacked by his supporters. They will see advisor after advisor…including family members….calling for him to act. A simple tweet or video could have altered the event…maybe even saved Ashli Babbitt’s life. There’s just no good way to spin it. Some will keep their heads in the sand….many more will peel away. Who wants to defend that? Many will want an untainted horse.
AJ_Liberty (ec7f74) — 7/19/2022 @ 10:53 am342
Do you really think they’ll watch? So much of these hearings have the feel of an infomercial. Because of the media experts insistence on not leaving things to chance, this feels like the Hamilton Burger part of a Perry Mason episode, without the cross examination.
Appalled (8789bc) — 7/19/2022 @ 11:57 amGoebbels would be proud AJ.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/19/2022 @ 12:00 pmWhy are you comparing AJ to a Nazi? That’s completely uncalled for.
Time123 (5d9c6f) — 7/19/2022 @ 12:05 pm@343, the hard core will not watch…..I popped in on Gutfeld for a laugh a couple of weeks back and he was essentially saying if you’re cool, you’re not going to watch any of it. FNC message received. Hannity can’t afford any more of his chats highlighted by Liz Cheney.
The thing is, how do you explain 187min of the President not acting? I mean not even sending out a tweet to not assault the cops. Nothing, zilch, nada, nichts. What is the other side of that? The intelligence coming in to his advisors was the best available from people inside the capitol and law enforcement. Trump knew there could be weapons going into the Capitol. He could see the chaos on TV. We now know that the VP and senators at a time were only seconds separated from the encroaching mob. This could have easily gotten worse with circumstances modified only slightly.
If people are fine with the President sicking a mob on people he’s angry with, where does that principle end? Purposefully staying ignorant is no excuse. Many Republicans will watch and others will be pulled in via twitter and social media. If Trump has an alternative theory, then let him address the nation (finally) and detail it. The ostrich approach and the in-your-face-lies does conjure a certain historical goose-stepping regime…..
AJ_Liberty (ec7f74) — 7/19/2022 @ 12:53 pmTime,
I compared propaganda to propaganda. That you would misrepresent that isn’t surprising. You love to call names then pretend to be misunderstood and play the victim.
NJRob (fbe422) — 7/19/2022 @ 1:11 pmAJ,
Now do Nancy Pelosi who was actually in charge of security.
Tbanks for playing.
NJRob (fbe422) — 7/19/2022 @ 1:12 pm#346
Purposefully staying ignorant is no excuse.
Actually, there is a concept in economics and political science called rational ignornace. Basically, it’s people deciding they don’t need to know the details of everything because politics is not their life. When they figure something is important, they’ll engage. As DCSCA will likely lecture to you, we are long past the idea of “Must See TV”.
The 1-6 committee seems intent on making their hearings look like a mid-tier Netflix documentary, rather than a typical hearing. I already know that Trump took 187 minutes to act. So does most of the country. If the 1-6 committee is going to give us 2 hours of bad, very bad, and a few extra details that are tacky but probably not criminal — the political junkies will watch and, since I think we’ll still be in the MLB All-Star Break, I might sample. But the only time the hearings seemed like they were getting at anything important was in Cassidy Hutchison’s testimony — because it showed some actual criminality in what Trump did and it was linked to the subject of the hearing.
Trump belongs to the ages and hopefully the lawyers. I will trust the news, and this group, to extract anything worthwhile on Thursday. And hope the people’s wisdom takes care of the rest.
Appalled (2c819a) — 7/19/2022 @ 1:24 pmwoke Portlandistan prosecutors, who won’t prosecute Antifa and BLM thugs and smash and grab drug addicts, decide to get tough on a couple of carefully picked defendants and get their a$$ handed to them
JF (8116bc) — 7/19/2022 @ 1:24 pmi don’t hear the abortion folks talking about the 10 year old girl anymore
i guess since she got her abortion everything is fine now
JF (8116bc) — 7/19/2022 @ 1:40 pmNew Yorkers on the Cape are driving around with masks on.
mg (8cbc69) — 7/19/2022 @ 1:43 pmlol
John Froines (80) has died. One of two Chicago Seven defendants acquitted at trial in 2968.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 7/19/2022 @ 1:52 pm@349. The 1-6 committee seems intent on making their hearings look like a mid-tier Netflix documentary, rather than a typical hearing
Very poor casting [Daughter Darth ain’t no Sam Ervin]; very poor production [at times,. technically sloppy as well]… so you get poor TeeVee. And you have ABC Brit James Goldston to thank for the flop, by way of the real power behind the Biden throne: Susan Rice, of course– married to former ABC News executive producer Ian Officer Cameron.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Goldston
Rice? Cameron?? Goldson??? ABC???? There are no coincidences.
DCSCA (903a59) — 7/19/2022 @ 1:57 pmThere is still the on-going investigation of the doctor, and this:
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 7/19/2022 @ 1:57 pmThat’s 1968.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 7/19/2022 @ 1:58 pm“I compared propaganda to propaganda. ”
“Now do Nancy Pelosi who was actually in charge of security.”
My irony meter just exploded.
Davethulhu (0b1e86) — 7/19/2022 @ 2:14 pmhttps://investorplace.com/2022/07/5-top-nancy-pelosi-stocks-to-watch-right-now/
mg (8cbc69) — 7/19/2022 @ 2:25 pmRep. Bennie Thompson, chairman of the House Jan. 6 committee, tested positive for COVID-19 on Monday and is experiencing mild symptoms, but the prime-time (8 PM EDT) hearing will take place as scheduled on Thursday, with two Trump Aides who resigned shortly after January 6, 2021 to give live testimony: Ex-NSC official Matthew Pottinger, and ex-deputy press secretary Sarah Matthews.
No word on whether Bennie Thompson will be present.
The Secret Service says they have no additional text messages to deliver. Agents were supposed to upload their texts to an internal agency drive prior to a planned mid-January 2021 reset and replacement of staff phones, but many agents failed to do so. Whatever they had, they turned over already.
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 7/19/2022 @ 2:31 pmLook at what blue states have already done to seize power and control under the b.s. of a national health emergency. Now think about that same manipulative intent spread throughout the entire country by weaponizing federal agencies with advanced regulation toward a national climate emergency. The entire country turned into a California style-controlled energy economy. If you didn’t vote for Trump you own this. Newsome will be POTUS. Canrtafordya here we come.
mg (8cbc69) — 7/19/2022 @ 2:36 pm@360. Rest easy. It’s ‘transitory.’
Like life itself. 😉
DCSCA (1652ba) — 7/19/2022 @ 2:56 pmTransitory is a moderation term now?
DCSCA (1652ba) — 7/19/2022 @ 2:58 pmSeveral thoughts about the Ohio -> Indiana abortion case.
1. People should have realized it had to be true, because the entire pro-abortion lobby would not go out on a limb like that, and Biden’s staff probably had independent confirmation, even if that had involved breaking of a confidence, but it didn’t, since without the name it was probably legal too disclose this. This is not like the lies that Biden commonly tells, which revolve around his own experiences.
2. The response to the public information requests, which was done not only by the Indianapolis Star but by the Fox59 television station was suspiciously fast, and they were probably told in advance that if they asked they would get it.
This reminds me of something that happened while Eliot Spitzer was Governor of New York State, when a New York Freedom of Information Law request for list of state subsidized travel by then State Senate Majority Leader Joseph Bruno was responded too very quickly.
https://www.villagevoice.com/2007/09/25/the-truth-behind-troopergate
https://gothamist.com/news/bruno-wants-truth-spitzer-says-bruno-wanted-choppers
3. Somewhere I read that the mother of the 10-year old girl did not want to press charges, but I don’t know when or what that actually means. It might merely mean that she declined to be a witness. But there was apparently no investigation when the pregnancy was first reported on June 22.
4. It was an Ohio doctor who contacted Dr. Caitlin Bernard in Indiana – I would not know if this was expected by the mother or not.
5. It’s probably correct that Dr. Bernard did not have any reason to know the age of the father, although the form she was legally required to file after completing the abortion demanded an answer.
6. Nobody would probably have read the form if the girl wasn’t under age 16.
7. Ohio police probably first verified that that they had the right sample by taking the girl’s DNA before obtaining a search warrant for Gerson Fuentes’ DNA.
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 7/19/2022 @ 3:01 pmAppalled (2c819a) — 7/19/2022 @ 1:24 pm
You mean Trump’s supposed grabbing at the steering wheel? I think her testimony it actually tended to clear Trump of intentionally instigating the attack on the Capitol, because he would not have wanted to go there if he thought there would be any disturbance.
It is conceivable that he expected it at another time but not that afternoon. He had already arranged for a delay in the certification.
Meanwhile this committee thinks that two telephone calls with Steve Bannon on January 5, one in the morning, one after dark at night, might be evidence of Trump’s plotting, since Steve Bannon predicted trouble on January 5. It is consistent with a whole lot of other scenarios also.
Trump has the slowly diminishing support maybe of 35% of the population, and heavy opposition by everyone else. he problem is it might be a question in many voters’ minds of who is worst. If anything can get a third party candidate going it’s rematch.
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 7/19/2022 @ 3:12 pm353. 356.
Actually that’s 1969.
The Chicago 7 trial was in 1969.
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 7/19/2022 @ 3:19 pmSammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 7/19/2022 @ 3:01 pm
I haven’t seen any reporting that they collected the DNA of Fuentes. He confessed but independent of that I’m not sure what they would compare his DNA against. Based on the timeline we’ve got now there’s no relevance to a rape kit to collect DNA. It’s also not clear whether the abortion procedure used in this instance would have preserved any DNA of the baby. I’d also be interested in whether the mothers DNA matched the 10yo.
I’ll go back and review the timeline but I’m not sure anyone would have read this form absent the spotlight this got when it blew up in the press.
It sounds like someone had to provide an age. It sounds like that person lied.
This is a confusing part of the story I don’t understand. The OH doctor was an abuse specialist. Why would she contact an IL doctor for an abortion without the permission of the girls guardian? What’s the backstory on the interaction with this abuse specialist?
This “press charges” is generally a myth. Criminal charges are made on behalf of the state. The mother doesn’t get to decide whether charges are filed. This failure to investigate should be investigated. Raping 10yo girls under any circumstance should be investigated.
frosty (2a4007) — 7/19/2022 @ 3:20 pmOne peculiar thing from Uvalde:
First, I read that a policeman missed a chance to kill the attacker early on when he decided he might hit some children.
Later I read that he had asked for permission to fire.
Now I read that that was the wrong person – it was a coach getting some children away. He was dressed in black. (but if he didn’t have a rifle, he would not be the shooter and more certainly not be putting the children in imminent danger.)
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 7/19/2022 @ 3:23 pmHouse passed the respect for marriage act, which (a) repeals doma, (b) codifies a rule requiring states to give full faith and credit to out of state marriages regardless of the race or gender of the spouses, and (c) requires the feds to recognize any state-legal marriage … by 267-157, with 47 Republican votes.
aphrael (4c4719) — 7/19/2022 @ 3:27 pmfrosty (2a4007) — 7/19/2022 @ 3:20 pm
They probably did collect the DNA because the Columbus Dispatch reported reported that they had obtained a search warrant
Now he could not refuse to give a sample.
They’d compare the DNA to the products of conception obtained from the Indiana abortion clinic on July 2. They must first have confirmed that the sample was hers, then interviewed the girl on July 6. When she identified the father on July 6 the next thing was to see if he had been the father.
But before they could get the results,, he admitted having vaginal contact of some kind with the girl. That was enough to arrest him.
You have to read together the scattered facts that appear in various articles.
No rape kit. A paternity test, or something similar to it. There was nothing they had to go on on June 22.
That’s what the Columbus Dispatch says they did (without explaining further)
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 7/19/2022 @ 3:48 pm@frosty@366 or anyone else who wants to know how mandated reporting works. Just informational. Here’s how mandated reporting works in CA, it’s pretty similar in other states, but there are variations and there are probably additional requirements for health professionals:
A 12 yr old student tells me they are having sex (it doesn’t matter what the gender of the student is or how old their partner is, age 12 or younger is always a reportable in CA). I do not need to tell the student or their parents that I am making the report, but I can choose to do so.
I fill out the suspected child abuse form.
Within 24 hrs (preferably within 12 hrs. I personally always call same day.) I call and make the report to CPS, which takes my verbal report and puts it into their system. I put the name of the person I made the report to on my form.
Within 72 hrs (preferably within 24 hrs, I always send it same day.) I either fax or send the form in (I fax it), keeping a copy for my records (you do not have to keep a copy, but it’s best to do so).
I may or may not get a call back from CPS or the police, or our school safety officer may come talk to me, asking me the location of the student if it is during the school day, and a worker or an officer may talk to the student. This may take place on the day I make the report, or at a later time.
At some point in time, I will be sent a resolution report that tells me the result of my report. This usually is weeks or sometimes months later.
Nic (896fdf) — 7/19/2022 @ 3:50 pmThat might be interesting but isn’t essential to the story.
The fact that she is denial could add to the probability that she is indeed the girl’s mother.
It’s not the first time it’s happened that a man had relations with a woman and her daughter, even though that could be considered a form of incest and is forbidden in the Bible.
(And the daughter being that young doesn’t exclude it, if he’s inclined that way. She was past puberty, probably thanks to the electric light bulb.)
See: https://mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0318.htm
It’s also mentioned in Lev 20:14
David Koresh did it, although I doubt that’s why the FBI killed him. It wasn’t because of the Bible study he’d encouraged the negotiators to discuss. It was to protect “Friend of Bill” Jay William Buford, head of the BATF in Little Rock, Arkansas who had murdered three of his own men in front of KWTX-TV (Channel 10 in Waco) television cameras (all covered up of course) Buford was one of the principal planners of the raid and probably wanted dead federal agents so that no questions would be asked about the raid, so then later Bill Clinton could appoint him to a high position in the FBI after ATF was folded into it. Not because they’d been assigned to Clintons security as Bill Clinton astonishingly claimed in a speech to Treasury Department employees on March 17, 1993.
One day Bill Clinton will have his comeuppance for this, while he is still alive. There is a lot of circumstantial evidence.
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 7/19/2022 @ 3:58 pm“One peculiar thing from Uvalde”
You should probably just assume that every statement by the Uvalde police is a lie unless it has been independently verified.
Davethulhu (0b1e86) — 7/19/2022 @ 4:14 pmSF: 6. Nobody would probably have read the form if the girl wasn’t under age 16.
The form was filed a day after it had already appeared in the press.
SF: 5. It’s probably correct that Dr. Bernard did not have any reason to know the age of the father, although the form she was legally required to file after completing the abortion demanded an answer.
She had to provide an age on the form. But it’s not that she actually had to know in order to have done the abortion.
SF: 4. It was an Ohio doctor who contacted Dr. Caitlin Bernard in Indiana – I would not know if this was expected by the mother or not.
I find I don’t know the sex of the Ohio doctor. The abuse specialist might have been just one employee in a clinic (Planned Parenthood?)
It might have been with the permission of the girl’s guardian. She couldn’t very well be taken there without it.
And then there’s the question of who paid for the trip. To use an out of state doctor she probably had Medicaid.
Well, you could say there were no leads, but it seems like nobody attempted to interview the girl until July 6.
Perhaps the doctors said it would be traumatizing (and that the father was likely a teenager) That would be enough to stop an interview
Now the motive of the Ohio doctors might have been not discourage anyone from coming to see them to handle to handle the pregnancy.
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 7/19/2022 @ 4:15 pm“It sounds like someone had to provide an age. It sounds like that person lied.”
I’m assuming you’ve seen the form in question, so I’m curious how you think it’s a lie.
Davethulhu (0b1e86) — 7/19/2022 @ 4:17 pmShort lived is not on the agenda, DCSCA.
mg (8cbc69) — 7/19/2022 @ 4:19 pmThese hacks on the left will not give up. They play with big balls. And they print money.
378. Davethulhu (0b1e86) — 7/19/2022 @ 4:14 pm
By now, definitely. Not just Uvalde police but anyone connectedwith law enforcement who lived in the area,
The later stories may be more in the direction of accuracy.
It might be that a police officer wanted to say it is someone else’s fault Salvador Ramos got in, even though maybe he knew better.
Here’s another thing peculiar I noticed.
One policeman basically claimed that he thought it might be a false alarm. And what really had happened was a staged accident by migrant smugglers. (apparently they are common but this is the first time I heard of these “bailouts?”)
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/17/us/uvalde-shooting-report.html
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 7/19/2022 @ 4:22 pmSome people tried to get themselves described as heroes:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/15/us/uvalde-police.html
It seems like Uvalde was run on the principle of government “by the public employees, of the public employees and for the public employees.”
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 7/19/2022 @ 4:26 pmIn my case, I never saw it, but only read one or two (not completely consistent) descriptions of something on the form.
There was apparently a place on the form that asked for the age of the father. I assume this would mostly have been of interest if the girl was under the age of consent. If she was not the doctor had three months to file the form.
Here is one place
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/14/us/10-year-old-abortion-caitlin-bernard-indiana.html
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 7/19/2022 @ 4:33 pmUS CO2 emissions have been declining steadily since late in the George W. Bush presidency.
That’s in spite of a growing population and, over that time period, a growing economy.
We don’t get much credit for that among those who worry about climate problems.
(Does Bush deserve some credit for that? Probably some.)
Jim Miller (406a93) — 7/19/2022 @ 4:34 pmBiden claimed that he brought up Khashogi at the top of the meeting. It could be.
Then it could go like this:
Biden: I think you had someone killed in an embassy/
MBS: No, I didn’t have anything to do with that.
Biden: I think you did.
Now that that’s out of the way, we can discuss oil production.
MBS: I can’t go above 13 and that will take a few years and I must consult other members of OPEC.
Biden: But in principle you agree.
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 7/19/2022 @ 4:39 pmAlmost no air conditioning in residential buildings in the UK. Near record high (101) since weather records were kept, and possibly will reach 106 later .
105 in Paris. 110 (they earlier said 117) in Spain and Portugal and many deaths
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 7/19/2022 @ 4:42 pmMaybe we haven’t seen the form because it gives the name of the girl.
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 7/19/2022 @ 4:44 pmTrump’s policies were functional independent of whatever image was presented
It did not matter WHAT Trump’s policies were, as he could not get them implemented even with both houses of Congress. Even his Executive Orders failed.
Sure, he had opposition inside the government, but so did Reagan (Reagan never even had the House), yet he cut the top tax rate from 70% to 28%, opened the world to trade, and broke the back of the Soviet Union, financially and militarily in Afghanistan.
Trump could not get a litlle wall built. Reagan got one torn down.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/19/2022 @ 4:46 pm“You should probably just assume that every statement by the Uvalde police is a lie unless it has been independently verified.”
…and that’s no lie.
Colonel Haiku (8b99b0) — 7/19/2022 @ 4:46 pmTrump’s policies were functional independent of whatever image was presented
Shorter: You misspelled “dysfunctional.”
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/19/2022 @ 4:48 pmI compared propaganda to propaganda. That you would misrepresent that isn’t surprising. You love to call names then pretend to be misunderstood and play the victim.
There are lots of propagandists. You picked the most noxious one. Just random chance?
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/19/2022 @ 4:53 pmEx-NSC official Matthew Pottinger
Pottinger is the “China hand” who tried to get Trump to take strong action regarding Covid in January 2020. Trump did just enough to being doing something, but not enough to have an effect.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/19/2022 @ 4:58 pm“In my case, I never saw it, but only read one or two (not completely consistent) descriptions of something on the form.”
This was the original report (fox59 are the ones who did the foia request): https://fox59.com/indiana-news/abortion-report-confirms-indiana-doctor-followed-law-after-ag-vowed-investigation/
It has a screenshot of the form (kind of small but readable) at the bottom.
Davethulhu (0b1e86) — 7/19/2022 @ 5:00 pmThe entire country turned into a California style-controlled energy economy.
I could not ask for anything better for November. “Enough rope”
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/19/2022 @ 5:00 pm“Trump belongs to the ages”
I’m reminded of Edwin Stanton’s line about Lincoln.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/19/2022 @ 5:15 pmaphrael (4c4719) — 7/19/2022 @ 3:27 pm
While I think it’s unnecessary, and would need to see the actual language, I would probably vote for such a bill. I think that it’s important to honor existing contracts and while Obergefell progress though the courts was more than a little ugly (the plaintiff in district court cannot appeal? Really? How come they had standing in disgtrict court?) it’s old news now. This is what settled law looks like.
Not completely sure about forcing all states to accept what other states do without some boundaries. Never know what Utah has in mind. Or California.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/19/2022 @ 5:23 pmI either fax
What is this “fax” you refer to? Is that something new?
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/19/2022 @ 5:25 pm@372. Don’t even go there- figuratively speaking. My VR friend is physically there now trying to ferret through meetings and political BS to focus on the surviving families of dead to establish aid before the politicval footballedrs take over and the media moves on to the next slaughter. It’s a mess.
DCSCA (f57529) — 7/19/2022 @ 5:26 pmSo was McConnell. The 3-member Capitol Police Board comprises the Capitol Architect and the Sergeants-at-Arms (who respectively report to the Speaker and Senate Majority Leader) from both houses of Congress. Funny how there’s so much silence as to McConnell’s responsibility for Capitol grounds security.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 7/19/2022 @ 5:40 pmWe don’t get much credit for that among those who worry about climate problems.
The US has brought its emission back down to the 1970-1990 level (the 70s and 80s had some wild economic swings). But Germany’s emissions are down to the pre-WW2 level, and the UK is down to a level last seen in 1898 (sic).
China has been doubling its emissions every 15 years since 1975.
https://ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/19/2022 @ 5:40 pmKevin M — the actual text of section 3 (which discusses the state recognition aspect) https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/8404:
(a) In general.— No person acting under color of State law may deny—
(1) full faith and credit to any public act, record, or judicial proceeding of any other State pertaining to a marriage between 2 individuals, on the basis of the sex, race, ethnicity, or national origin of those individuals; or
(2) a right or claim arising from such a marriage on the basis that such marriage would not be recognized under the law of that State on the basis of the sex, race, ethnicity, or national origin of those individuals.
(b) Enforcement by Attorney General.—The Attorney General may bring a civil action in the appropriate United States district court against any person who violates subsection (a) for declaratory and injunctive relief.
(c) Private right of action.—Any person who is harmed by a violation of subsection (a) may bring a civil action in the appropriate United States district court against the person who violated such subsection for declaratory and injunctive relief.
(d) State defined.—In this section, the term ‘State’ has the meaning given such term under section 7 of title 1.
————-
i was oversimplifying. 🙂 the actual text is that they can’t refuse full faith and credit on the basis of certain criteria, including the race and sex of the individuals involved.
question: could they deny based on *gender* rather than sex? 🙂
aphrael (46a864) — 7/19/2022 @ 5:54 pmObservation. There’s something decidedly creepy- if not unsportmanlike intrusive- about a kibitzing Fox sportscaster up in a stadium broadcast booth literally holding a one-on-one conversation in the ear of a pitcher- who is answering him back- as he’s hurling a 95 mph., baseball at a batter in the middle of the game.
DCSCA (abf41e) — 7/19/2022 @ 5:57 pmChina threatens harsh response if Pelosi visits Taiwan. My question is not “Should Pelosi go? But “Should McCarthy, Schumer and McConnell go with her?”
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/19/2022 @ 6:00 pmquestion: could they deny based on *gender* rather than sex?
Sex, as I understand it, is biological and objective. “Gender” is, um, fluid and subjective. It’s kind of hard to put that into law, and why should they when “sex” covers it well enough.
My concern had to do with other differences among states. Common-law marriage, divorce, property rights, etc.
At some point I do think states should be different. Travel is simple enough today that those who are unhappy in one state can move to a different state. Sure, not everyone can, but considering how many homeless end up in warmer climes, it’s not that difficult if you want it enough.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/19/2022 @ 6:06 pmI guess some state might pass a law forbidding marriage between “genderqueer” and “omnigender” but I doubt it could be enforced, if only because the definitions are easily evaded.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/19/2022 @ 6:09 pm#398 Kevin – An excellent idea.
Jim Miller (406a93) — 7/19/2022 @ 6:20 pmThis was asked and answered back around @263. I’m curious how you don’t think it was.
frosty (9f960b) — 7/19/2022 @ 6:23 pmDCCCP: “Observation. There’s something decidedly creepy- if not unsportmanlike intrusive- about a kibitzing Fox sportscaster up in a stadium broadcast booth literally holding a one-on-one conversation in the ear of a pitcher- who is answering him back- as he’s hurling a 95 mph., baseball at a batter in the middle of the game”
Yeah, in my mind, that guy needs to be laser-like focused and not dividing his attention. I had to switch channels. Some things are just wrong….
AJ_Liberty (c82e21) — 7/19/2022 @ 6:30 pm“I’m glad we have a president who can ride a bicycle.” – Pete Buttigieg
Too bad he can’t walk up steps.
DCSCA (abf41e) — 7/19/2022 @ 6:33 pm“This was asked and answered back around @263”
I don’t see how 263 answers it. You’re discussing “good faith medical judgment” which is particularly ironic considering that your position has consistently been “the doctor is lying.”
“I’m curious how you don’t think it was.”
From the article linked by Sammy @378
You have jumped (without evidence) to the conclusion that the doctor knows who the perpetrator was, who then decided to lie about their age for no discernable reason.
Davethulhu (0b1e86) — 7/19/2022 @ 6:34 pmhttps://www.firstpost.com/business/from-pakistan-to-panama-countries-which-could-go-the-sri-lanka-way-economic-crisis-inflation-10926321.html
Nice to see an already unstable nuclear pwoer on the list along with Egypt which is a cornerstone in any Middle East peace
Wonderful time to have a further diminished Chauncy the Gardener in the oval office
steveg (31d5f1) — 7/19/2022 @ 6:47 pm@Kevin@392 😛 It’s a confidential report, so, while they’ve given us a fillable PDF, they won’t let us send it to them electronically.
Nic (896fdf) — 7/19/2022 @ 7:08 pmDavethulhu (0b1e86) — 7/19/2022 @ 6:34 pm
The site doesn’t like my longer post so I’ll try this one.
I think you win both the making things up and the mind reading award for today.
frosty (2a4007) — 7/19/2022 @ 7:36 pmUkraine graft concerns resurface as Russia war goes on
‘WASHINGTON (AP) — Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s dismissal of senior officials is casting an inconvenient light on an issue that the Biden administration has largely ignored since the outbreak of war with Russia: Ukraine’s history of rampant corruption and shaky governance.
As it presses ahead with providing tens of billions of dollars in military, economic and direct financial support aid to Ukraine and encourages its allies to do the same, the Biden administration is now once again grappling with longstanding worries about Ukraine’s suitability as a recipient of massive infusions of American aid.
Those issues, which date back decades and were not an insignificant part of former President Donald Trump’s first impeachment, had been largely pushed to the back burner in the immediate run-up to Russia’s invasion and during the first months of the conflict as the U.S. and its partners rallied to Ukraine’s defense.
But Zelenskyy’s weekend firings of his top prosecutor, intelligence chief and other senior officials have resurfaced those concerns and may have inadvertently given fresh attention to allegations of high-level corruption in Kyiv made by one outspoken U.S. lawmaker.
It’s a delicate issue for the Biden administration. With billions in aid flowing to Ukraine, the White House continues to make the case for supporting Zelenskyy’s government to an American public increasingly focused on domestic issues like high gas prices and inflation. High-profile supporters of Ukraine in both parties also want to avoid a backlash that could make it more difficult to pass future aid packages.
U.S. officials are quick to say that Zelenskyy is well within his right to appoint whomever he wants to senior positions, including the prosecutor general, and remove anyone who he sees as collaborating with Russia.
Yet even as Russian troops were massing near the Ukrainian border last fall, the Biden administration was pushing Zelenskyy to do more to act on corruption — a perennial U.S. demand going back to Ukraine’s early days of independence.
“In all of our relationships, and including in this relationship, we invest not in personalities; we invest in institutions, and, of course, President Zelenskyy has spoken to his rationale for making these personnel shifts,” State Department spokesman Ned Price told reporters on Monday.
Price declined to comment further on Zelenskyy’s reasoning for the dismissals or address the specifics but said there was no question that Russia has been trying to interfere in Ukraine.
“Moscow has long sought to subvert, to destabilize the Ukrainian government,” Price said. “Ever since Ukraine chose the path of democracy and a Western orientation.’ -AP.com
Yankee Doodle suckers.
… and Bugs Moran smiled.
DCSCA (110a9f) — 7/20/2022 @ 12:52 amEarlier I said that all the requested Secret Service text messages on January 5-6 were deleted. Turns out that, out of the thousands of texts sent out those particular days, the J6 Committee received one single text message.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 7/20/2022 @ 7:24 amMy mistake. I take full responsibility for my error.
They’re undermining our democracy!
Colonel Haiku (898da7) — 7/20/2022 @ 7:26 amI forgot to mention in the Guardian link that the Secret Service text messages were deleted “11 days after Congress first requested the communications and two days after agents were reminded to back up their phones.”
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 7/20/2022 @ 8:12 amAgents should not have had to back up their phones. The data should’ve automatically been in the cloud without agents consciously doing so.
OT-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBdyzTvA3oA
53 years ago today, July 20, 1969, when America truly was great…
DCSCA (f3c489) — 7/20/2022 @ 8:14 amYou’re right, Haiku. It’s Soviet Russia here.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 7/20/2022 @ 8:16 am“I’m glad we have a president who can ride a bicycle.” – Pete Buttigieg
Except your party needs an LBJ, who rode a horse; or an FDR, who rode a wheelchair, Pete.
DCSCA (f3c489) — 7/20/2022 @ 8:35 amA word about the Greenwood Park Mall shooting in Indiana.
The three who were murdered had Hispanic surnames, this in a town that is 96.5% white and 1.9% Hispanic. The shooter was a 20-year old punk who I won’t name.
The name of the “bystander” who shot the shooter dead is 22-year old Elisjsha Dicken, who was with his 19-year old girlfriend and was (fortunately) legally carrying a Glock pistol. This part is exceptional.
That’s what you call a good shoot. Cheers to the young man. He’s a genuine hero.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 7/20/2022 @ 10:49 amAnd Elisjsha Dicken had had no formal police or similar training.
What are those two extra letters j and s doing in his name? It can’t be pronounced.
Sammy Finkelman (b7dc9b) — 7/20/2022 @ 12:07 pmhttps://mobile.twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1549755395601829889
All those who supported Biden and called him the rational choice over Trump need to pay for this consequence.
NJRob (512902) — 7/20/2022 @ 12:21 pm@416. …said Matt Dillon. Nothing to cheer about. It’s what keeps Xi grinning and Vlad smiling. Malls routinely have security guards patrolling the retail floors- and some anchor brick & mortars stores have their own security teams a foot as well. No mention of any of them in this at all, given the failures revealed in Uvalde.
DCSCA (99a134) — 7/20/2022 @ 1:03 pmSource.
How did the gun-free zone work out for the three victims? Not so well.
He’s called a “Good Samaritan” because his first name is too hard to pronounce. 😉
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 7/20/2022 @ 1:40 pmGood news for all patriotic Americans, especially Republicans:
The trend is our friend. (I hope most of you won’t mind if I mention that I have been predicting this decline. And I will go further, and predict that it will continue, for at least another 10 or 15 points.)
Unlike Donald Trump, Marc Thiessen, who wrote those paragraphs, is both a conservative, and a real Republican.
(According to, among others, Vanity Fair, Trump may run because “The former president is reportedly banking on a White House bid to stave off criminal charges.”)
Jim Miller (406a93) — 7/20/2022 @ 1:52 pmWoman says she carried dead fetus for 2 weeks after Texas abortion ban
Apparently, the Texas AG interprets the TX abortion law as treating any D&C as an abortion unless it is PROVEN otherwise. Women in Texas who are suddenly carrying a dead fetus cannot get it removed by the normal D&C unless they have 3 ultrasounds to prove that it’s not just pining for the fjords. This can take a while and be expensive.
Biden has issued orders that such surgeries are allowed, but Paxton is suing to block the order.
Now, it may be that Paxton is attempting to discourage mail-order chemical abortion pills, but women DO have spontaneous abortions, and it can be dangerous or fatal to let a dead fetus decompose in the womb. There are also liability issues around ectopic pregnancies and the like, where come doctors just won’t treat them the same way any more.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/20/2022 @ 1:59 pmI can’t speak at the library at Martha’s Vineyard… I have been silenced..
I was shushed at a library once. The trauma….
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/20/2022 @ 2:00 pm“I’m glad we have a president who can ride a bicycle.” – Pete Buttigieg
We had one not so long ago who ran miles every morning he could. I wanna see Biden, or Buttigieg run a couple of miles with some Marines.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/20/2022 @ 2:01 pmHow much do I owe? Where do I send the check? Just know that if you expect me to pay you for the dumbassery of the guy I voted for, you don’t have enough money to compensate me if your guy succeeds in his ongoing quest to overthrow our democratic system of governance.
Bad policies vs losing our democracy? Yeah, I proudly stand behind my choice. I’ve yet to see a cogent excuse of yours.
lurker (cd7cd4) — 7/20/2022 @ 2:02 pmHere’s a “remarkable” British pattern:
Rishi Sunak
Liz Truss
Sunak had a US “green card”, until quite recently.
Jim Miller (406a93) — 7/20/2022 @ 2:03 pm53 years ago today, July 20, 1969, when America truly was great…
50 years ago, when Apollo 18 did not launch as planned, when NASA started shedding talent.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/20/2022 @ 2:08 pmAll those who supported Biden and called him the rational choice over Trump need to pay for this consequence.
After 4 years of the man-pig, you need to show just how Trump would have done better, on average. Sure one or two things, but when he let Rocket-boy continue with this H-bomb plans (and losing Mattis as the result), he proved himself to be a total ignoramus on foreign policy. Biden might be no better, but he is also no worse.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/20/2022 @ 2:10 pmAn autopsy found the shooter was shot eight times and none were self-inflicted.
Further, with the bathroom behind him, it was probably not likely that stray rounds would hit bystanders. That’s more tactical awareness than some cops have. I also like the fact he made sure his target was going down.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/20/2022 @ 2:14 pm“The former president is reportedly banking on a White House bid to stave off criminal charges.”
Hitler attacked Stalin to avoid a challenge in Europe.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/20/2022 @ 2:22 pmhttps://hotair.com/john-s-2/2022/07/20/auto-draft-7-n484085
Leftists using government force to arrest and persecute citizens for thw crime of standing up against leftism.
Now where have we seen that before?
NJRob (ee8ad8) — 7/20/2022 @ 2:33 pmKevin,
On economic policy, which is where Americans live or starve, Biden is far FAR worse.
That the best you can say about Biden is that he “might” be a wash on foreign policy (I disagree) speaks volumes.
NJRob (ee8ad8) — 7/20/2022 @ 2:36 pmIt has been one f**cking disaster after another ever since Biden’s moronic moves in Afghanistan last August. Wake the EFF up and smell the catfood, NeverTrumpenellas
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/20/2022 @ 2:42 pmThe New Yorker excerpt was rather long
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 7/20/2022 @ 2:43 pm“I also like the fact he made sure his target was going down.”
Same energy here: https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/crime/article/Grand-jury-declines-to-indict-man-accused-in-17315147.php
Too bad his target turned out to be a 9 year old girl.
Somehow the prosecution failed to indict.
Davethulhu (0b1e86) — 7/20/2022 @ 2:43 pmKevin M (eeb9e9) — 7/20/2022 @ 2:10 pm
I disagree. We were promised that anything was better than Trump and that Biden was clearly better. There was none of this no better and no worse nonsense in the run up to 2020.
So, no, no one has to show Trump would have done better.
frosty (19e6ad) — 7/20/2022 @ 2:45 pmDavethulhu (0b1e86) — 7/20/2022 @ 2:43 pm
No one has found any dirt yet on Dicken so the hive mind decided to go with a different tactic?
frosty (19e6ad) — 7/20/2022 @ 4:20 pmAt least it didn’t get pushed under the carpet. Paper ballots please!
https://twitter.com/wbaltv11/status/1549850638414188545
Colonel Haiku (d900e5) — 7/20/2022 @ 5:21 pm@438, they have paper ballots. What they can’t find are the flash drives from the scanners.
Time123 (492698) — 7/20/2022 @ 6:21 pmMr. Ziegler was an aide to Peter Navarro, which explains a lot.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 7/20/2022 @ 6:44 pm“No one has found any dirt yet on Dicken so the hive mind decided to go with a different tactic?”
I think you win both the making things up and the mind reading award for today.
Davethulhu (0b1e86) — 7/20/2022 @ 6:47 pm@441 What did I make up? Has someone found dirt on Dicken? It’s a different tactic than going directly at him. It’s not a bad way to attack the good guy with a gun narrative. It doesn’t require any mind reading.
frosty (de62c2) — 7/20/2022 @ 7:26 pmhttps://fee.org/articles/natural-immunity-offered-more-protection-against-omicron-than-3-vaccine-doses-new-england-journal-of-medicine-study-finds/
mg (8cbc69) — 7/21/2022 @ 2:50 amtold you so years ago
https://thefederalist.com/2022/07/20/judge-in-stefan-halper-case-drops-spygate-bombshell-in-denying-his-motion-to-dismiss-halper-likely-lied-to-the-fbi-on-purpose/
mg (8cbc69) — 7/21/2022 @ 4:18 amno kidding
Just another black ops, mg…
Colonel Haiku (d900e5) — 7/21/2022 @ 7:05 am443. Since the vaccine only creates immunity against the spike protein portion of the virus, there are likely to be more mutations there than in the whole virus, so natural infection should work better.
Against the “Wuhan flu” one dose of the virus was not as good on average as an infection, but two doses were better even though the doses were spaced too closely together (ideal is more like 6 to 8 months . It’s like remembering how to spell a word – if you study that you’ve got to let a little time go by)
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 7/21/2022 @ 3:12 pm444 445. The Federalist wants me to at least agree to a free trial.
Halper might have become a spy, but he never got a job in the 2016 Trump campaign What’s the new developent?
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 7/21/2022 @ 3:15 pmThe (last?) hearing begins at 8 pm. It goes into 187 minutes from when the disturbance began till when Trump made a public call to the people in the Capitol to leave.
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 7/21/2022 @ 4:44 pmActually, that 187 minutes counted from when Trump left the podium at the Ellipse till he went out to give his recorded sppech tweet just after 4 pm
But the hearing actually went on to talk about when Trump left the dining room (after 6) and even into the speech he delivered late the next day (January 7)
They couldn’t let go of the misinformation and implied misinformation.
The truth spilled over in the excerpts quoted or things alluded to but many people could go away with a lot of wrong impressions (which would not, of course, get corrected by pro-Trump people because they’d rather tell easy lies)
One thing wrong: His tweet/speech at 4:07 or so was not Trump’s first (grudging) attempt tp quell the violence (it just wasn’t considered good enough, and, as someone in the mob said, which the committee played, telling them not to attack the police sounded like it was OK to attack members of Congress!
Except for the fact that the police were in the way, so as a practical matter it amounted to a plea not to harm members of Congress also — and not just by implication, but explicitly because he also enjoined them to be peaceful.
They still have this absurd hypothesis that Trump wanted to go to the Capitol to lead the charge on Congress (and that he needed that to stop the counting when he had already arranged with numerous members of Congress to stall it down for a minimum of 12 hours.)
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 7/22/2022 @ 10:01 amI can’t find any transcript of the earing on the Internet yet. Video, yes but no transcript except for C-SPAN closed captioning maybe.
Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 7/22/2022 @ 10:02 am