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6/27/2022

Large Number Of Swing Voters Migrated To The Republican Party

Filed under: General — Dana @ 5:44 pm



[guest post by Dana]

If you’re looking to talk about something other than Dobbs or abortin, consider this:

A political shift is beginning to take hold across the U.S. as tens of thousands of suburban swing voters who helped fuel the Democratic Party’s gains in recent years are becoming Republicans.

More than 1 million voters across 43 states have switched to the Republican Party over the last year, according to voter registration data analyzed by The Associated Press. The previously unreported number reflects a phenomenon that is playing out in virtually every region of the country — Democratic and Republican states along with cities and small towns — in the period since President Joe Biden replaced former President Donald Trump.

But nowhere is the shift more pronounced — and dangerous for Democrats — than in the suburbs, where well-educated swing voters who turned against Trump’s Republican Party in recent years appear to be swinging back. Over the last year, far more people are switching to the GOP across suburban counties from Denver to Atlanta and Pittsburgh and Cleveland. Republicans also gained ground in counties around medium-size cities such as Harrisburg, Pennsylvania; Raleigh, North Carolina; Augusta, Georgia; and Des Moines, Iowa.

Reasons cited as the catalyst for changing parties include: Democrats push for vaccine mandates, the no concrete solutions to decreasing violent crime, fear that the country is headed in the wrong direction, and the lurch toward the progressive wing of the party.

Exit question: The voter data that analyzed by the AP was done before Dobbs just a few days ago, so do you think any significant number of these swing voters will return to the Democratic Party as a result of Dobbs? And if so, do you think the number will be significant enough to worry the GOP?

–Dana

96 Responses to “Large Number Of Swing Voters Migrated To The Republican Party”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (1225fc)

  2. There has also been strategic crossover voting and states where natural Dems are resigned to the fact that the R primary is the actual general election.

    By and large Dobbs voters are stacked like cordwood in large blue cities and quirky suburbs, but if I see and hear a lot of Chicago north side Trixie’s start paying a bill or 2 back home…

    urbanleftbehind (d5b707)

  3. How many moved over to the Democrats? Although I did not verify, I heard the number was 600 thousand plus on a news show earlier today.

    Also, how many were people doing it to fug with primaries and the election, as Democrats get their nut doing?

    Colonel Haiku (b07817)

  4. If this was done just a few days ago, any switch back is going to be marginal, especially in states that are already announcing that they’re going to pass abortion on demand. The Dobbs decision has been known for weeks thanks to the leak, so if that didn’t start a massive swing back at the time, the actual decision won’t cause a mass exodus, either, especially because abortion on demand doesn’t have wide support.

    Especially as the radical left conducts mostly peaceful firebombings of pregnancy centers. A lot of those places are in neighborhoods, not commercial strips, and god forbid any of these idiots end up setting a home on fire just to make a political point.

    Factory Working Orphan (2775f0)

  5. I wonder about the level of and authenticity of the cosplay that will be seen at polling places from the insincere Republican primary voters.

    urbanleftbehind (d5b707)

  6. Now watch the GOP overplay their hand.

    DCSCA (7aeffc)

  7. Now watch the GOP overplay their hand.

    Of course. Just like the Democrats did starting on January 20, 2021. It’s the nature of the times.

    JVW (020d31)

  8. i keep hearing it’s trump’s party

    JF (e1ba0e)

  9. Maybe one reason people are tiring of the Democrats is because they know the party turns a blind eye to the sort of large-scale human trafficking which today led to at least 42 people dead in a semi-trailer on the outskirts of San Antonio. Just horrific. I think all of the news about Ukraine, abortion, inflation, and the other crises going on has overshadowed the fact that the border is yet again being swarmed by migrants who are led by loose Democrat rhetoric to believe that all they have to do is find a way to cross over to the U.S. side of the border and they will never ever be sent home.

    JVW (020d31)

  10. I have no idea how people will break wrt Dobbs. Up to now, most people really didn’t treat the question are meaningful and were largely tired of hearing the two extremes. Some will be happy to see Roe go, if only to not having to listen to it any more. Some, particularly young women, may see it as upsetting to their lives. But really what people are going to have to do is give it some thought, which they haven’t needed to do up to now.

    I expect surprises.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  11. And then we have the $30 million spent by Democrats to make the Louisvillian and not the Auroran Pritzker’s Republican opponent. Honestly, this should be costing the Louisvillian non-RINO votes. It should raise their hackles to be manipulated like that.

    nk (9bfaac)

  12. i keep hearing it’s trump’s party

    Trump is taking a lot of damage from this commission.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  13. Also, what is going on with the Hispanic vote. It’s been moving GOP for several years now. Dobbs may increase that.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  14. But AOC still has the Latinx.

    nk (9bfaac)

  15. That’s why I never thought much of anything, except a cover-up, was going to happen in Uvalde. The State Senate district, at least, is Hispanic Republican.

    nk (9bfaac)

  16. Here is my prediction IF Biden runs again:

    In an interview, Biden said; “If you don’t vote for me then you’re not a Democrat!”

    felipe (484255)

  17. 11…people south of i-74 willingly drink the Bailey kool-aid. Secession from the rest of IL is their true endgame, the less RINOs and collar county-inward pretty boys the better from their view.

    urbanleftbehind (7e5ae2)

  18. Trump is taking a lot of damage from this commission.
    Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 6/27/2022 @ 6:31 pm

    That is what a lightning rod is supposed to do. If anyone remembers, I once said that Trump would serve as such during his Presidency and provide safety for other Republicans in order to concentrate on doing their jobs – like filling the courts with conservative judges. In that sense, he is the gift that keeps on giving, and a strategic mistake for the Dems over the long game.

    felipe (484255)

  19. People see gas prices and inflation almost every day. Pregnancy? Not so much. I see the Republicans winning bigly in November.

    norcal (da5491)

  20. People see gas prices and inflation almost every day. Pregnancy? Not so much.

    I generally agree, though I think we can be certain that we will soon be reading all sorts of stories in the NYT, WaPo, LA Times, CNN, NPR, PBS, etc. about the poor women and girls in Texas, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Alabama, and other states popular progressive derision who can’t get a ride to Colorado, Kansas, or Illinois to terminate their pregnancies. One will be an 18-year-old who has a full-ride financial aid package to Columbia this fall but who got careless with her longtime boyfriend one night and wound up pregnant. Another will be a 38-year-old mother of five whose husband recently lost his job and who worries that her family lacks the resources to take care of another child. Yet another will be a single 20-something woman who had a birth control failure and isn’t yet ready to marry her boyfriend and wants to focus on her career working for a nonprofit.

    The air and pages will be thick with these sort of sob stories, giving people the sense that these women are destined to be trapped into unwanted motherhood thanks to the Dobbs ruling. By contrast, there will likely be zero stories from women who report that they nearly had an abortion five, six, seven years ago at a time when they were frightened and unsure of what the future would hold, but now they can’t imagine their life without their young son or daughter as a central part of it. That sort of story is not conducive to the narrative and will be studiously ignored.

    JVW (020d31)

  21. JVW,

    Most of that is answered by an attempted compromise in the Congress, where the Dems refuse to consider any limitation on elective abortions, even though they also say later-term elective abortions never happen.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  22. I think we can be certain that we will soon be reading all sorts of stories in the NYT, WaPo, LA Times, CNN, NPR, PBS, etc. about the poor women and girls in Texas, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Alabama, and other states popular progressive derision who can’t get a ride to Colorado, Kansas, or Illinois to terminate their pregnancies.

    JVW (020d31) — 6/27/2022 @ 7:14 pm

    I completely agree. I’ve definitely noticed a push by the MSM on certain issues the past week.

    The same thing happens with immigration. They always pick the most extreme and sympathetic example of immigration enforcement.

    Sometimes my news feed will have a Fox News story, and I can just see the people in charge patting themselves on the back for being so balanced. That’s right, folks. It’s either the party line of the MSM, or it’s Fox News. What a false dichotomy.

    norcal (da5491)

  23. this just means there will be more republican voters to blame than last time

    JF (c9da21)

  24. @20 luckily all of the tv shows are baked for a bit or we’d also get some new plot lines jammed into various media. We’ll get those soon enough. Maybe in time for ‘24.

    frosty (3f0993)

  25. Have to see where the changes are. If blue states like california fed up with the wokness/soft on crime won’t mean much as young latinx turning 18 will overwhelm that number and they are much more left then most of their parents. More important number would be democrats re-registering as independents. In red states some democrats re-register as republicans in closed primary states so they can sabotage the republican primary or vote for the lesser of two evils. Clinton/biden wing of democrat party has gone to wokeness to try and forestall AOC and the left from taking over the democrat party. Its like your grand parents dressing like hippys to impress their grand children. Stopping the left is more important to the corporate establishment democrats then winning the 2022 election.

    asset (dfaee2)

  26. The only thing I’m sure of, is that after the Democrats lose 80 seats at the midterm, the far Left will be saying “It’s because you tried to be too moderate.” Pretty much what Goldwater told the Republicans after 1960.

    As if you can take a broad-based center-left party and increase its membership by ejecting 3/4ths of the rank and file. The Dems are already suffering from leftward drift, and losing centrist voters to the GOP. Moving further Left won’t work.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  27. @7. Yep. ‘Course turning a full tsunami into mere heavy coastal flooding is still a major ‘red tide’— This will be a pocketbook issue midterm; inflation, Joey’s incompetence… the beclowned, be-robed bureaucrats act will have little impact…. unless they rescind the right for women to vote, too. Which is probably on Alito’s list — as witch burning remains a crime. 😉

    DCSCA (d6ced8)

  28. @18. Yep. Plus… he’s entertaining. Joey… just pathetic.

    DCSCA (d6ced8)

  29. @9. JVW- not to mention this sort of deadly trafficking as well:

    TWO MEN NABBED WITH ENOUGH FENTANYL TO KILL 4.7 MIL PEOPLE

    https://www.tmz.com/2022/04/06/two-charged-fentanyl-kill-4-million-orange-county/

    Simply stunning.

    DCSCA (d6ced8)

  30. @9. … and this one too:

    California authorities reveal ‘massive’ fentanyl bust; enough to kill 20 million people

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-authorities-reveal-massive-fentanyl-bust-more-than-92-pounds-recovered

    DCSCA (d6ced8)

  31. Old Lizzy needs a third party, as the dems can’t stand her anymore.

    mg (8cbc69)

  32. #20

    I wonder if the axis of establishment media realizes how much their own insistence on flooding the cultural space with their narrow set of perspectives causes the reactions that infuriate them so much. You can’t escape inflation. You can’t escape yet another story on climate change (and how the Dobbs decision contributes to it). You can’t escape a lecture on how you must be racist.

    Americans do generally want to be left alone by the culture and by the government. The extent that both wokesters and Trump-ists really don’t get this — well, it’s much of the reason we’re where we are.

    Appalled (68c913)

  33. “SHOW TRIALS AREN’T ABOUT THE TRUTH: Exclusive: Former White House Staffer Confirms Jan. 6 Committee Lied About DOJ Attorney.”

    https://thefederalist.com/2022/06/27/exclusive-former-white-house-staffer-confirms-jan-6-committee-lied-about-doj-attorney/

    Colonel Haiku (b07817)

  34. Am I too much of a cynic to doubt this premise.

    This seems… alot.

    [ conspiracy time ]; Is there some Machiavellian strategy by democrat-connected folks to push this? Like a hedge to explain away why Democrats took a beating in the mid-terms, so that they don’t have to change their extremist views?

    whembly (c88102)

  35. #22 Most of that is answered by an attempted compromise in the Congress, where the Dems refuse to consider any limitation on elective abortions, even though they also say later-term elective abortions never happen.

    Later term abortions do happen, they happen in less than 1% of instances, and often involve rare and unspeakably heart-wrenching circumstances for which the family’s medical team is the appropriate entity for consultation, not the government.

    Tom (9e25cb)

  36. Tom, go back and read: ELECTIVE. I think this is one of those qualifications (like ILLEGAL immigration) that some want to conflate with unavoidable situations.

    There is a clinic in my city that ADVERTISES that they do elective abortions as late as 32 weeks.

    Recently, they botched one and a woman died, but they’re still in business.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  37. Shorter: If elective abortions never happen after 15 weeks, why is the Left so gd adamant about protecting them?

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  38. Former White House Staffer Confirms

    Trump aide calls out lie. That’s a first.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  39. @39 the first rule of being a lefty is being committed to the lie

    frosty (a2d0cc)

  40. i keep hearing it’s trump’s party

    JF (e1ba0e) — 6/27/2022 @ 6:22 pm

    It is.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  41. 40… yes, that’s what’s important, not the show trials.

    Colonel Haiku (835d36)

  42. Michael Stenger, the former Senate sergeant-at-arms who oversaw security on January 6, 2021, has died.

    Let the conspiracy theories begin!

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  43. Kevin M, I don’t know what “elective” is intended to mean, legally, medically, by that provider, or by you or others. It sounds like to you, that’s a major piece of the morality. I hear that, but I’m curious about the actual numbers. What’s your understanding of how frequently late-term (“elective” or otherwise) abortions occur? How many actual times do they occur in a year?

    Regarding #39, have you sought to understand this in earnest? Or are you sort of guessing at straw men?

    frosty #41, I’m not following. What is this big lie that lefties are supposed to adhere to? I guess I should stop skipping the monthly conference calls.

    Tom (9e25cb)

  44. I don’t know what “elective” is intended to mean, legally, medically, by that provider, or by you or others.

    An abortion by choice and not medically necessary.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  45. frosty #41, I’m not following. What is this big lie that lefties are supposed to adhere to? I guess I should stop skipping the monthly conference calls.

    Tom (9e25cb) — 6/28/2022 @ 9:23 am

    Ah, well I didn’t say big lie but maybe like the term elective you don’t know what that term means. You probably should at least track the monthlies.

    For lefties, it’s whatever is needed to push the agenda. It’s a long list.

    frosty (a2d0cc)

  46. @41 I don’t lie and I am a lefty.

    asset (174f43)

  47. @42. Poor Liz. Such a rich, sheltered life. Chimps toss poop. The Cheneys of Wyoming toss cow chips. But native New Yorkers– like Trump– toss their food:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDXSXkYoM5Y&t=5s

    DCSCA (25438b)

  48. When push comes to shove grandma whiskey is all about the children.
    Advice to republicans – drink more

    mg (8cbc69)

  49. Asset, you seem very fond of revolution, taking it to the streets, etc.

    I’m curious. How exactly do you see that playing out? Taking over government by force? Politicians just knuckling under because they’re afraid of what’s going on outside?

    Do you really think you’re going to abolish the Constitution and the Electoral College that way?

    norcal (da5491)

  50. Kevin M, I don’t know what “elective” is intended to mean, legally, medically, by that provider, or by you or others.

    Well, Tom, “Abortion on demand” is a phrase that Roe uses. In my state “on demand” abortion is legal until the whole baby has been delivered. There is a clinic here that advertises abortion-on-demand through 32 weeks and maybe even later.

    But you are being intentionally dense as a form of rear-guard obfuscation. Every country that has laws on abortion has different time limits depending on the reason. How this escaped you is hard to fathom.

    See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_law#Summary_tables

    Note the last column “on request.”

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  51. DCSCA:

    I hope you noticed that the hearing was much more on point today and Trump
    Sure sounded like a man who was trying to incite a riot (rather than just a food fight).

    Appalled (efc7bf)

  52. Do you really think you’re going to abolish the Constitution and the Electoral College that way?

    Especially since most of your lot don’t know which end of the gun to point.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  53. @50. Advice to republicans – drink more

    Sage advice from Senator Blutarsky:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uepFO4psgKE

    DCSCA (25438b)

  54. @53. Actually, noticed it was a hurriedly and poorly produced television production with truncated and incoherent clips narrated with a pudgy preacher sermonizing—- who looked suspiciously like Dick Cheney in drag. But the babe in the hot seat was a looker.

    DCSCA (25438b)

  55. @51. Get curious about this fella. Guess FF Tommy was a bit of a bad boy in a lot of ways 😉 :

    “God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive.

    If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. … What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance?

    Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.” – Thomas Jefferson

    https://thefederalistpapers.org/founders/jefferson/thomas-jefferson-god-forbid-we-should-ever-be-twenty-years-without-such-a-rebellion

    DCSCA (25438b)

  56. @57 Well, the U.S. has existed for about two and a half centuries now, so Jefferson was wrong.

    The Founders were great men, but not infallible.

    norcal (da5491)

  57. DCSCA,

    It isn’t the production values but the content. We have Trump knowing his crowd has weapons and wanting them to march on the capitol anyway. Stories about temper tantrums involving flying food trays go to state of mind and make headlines. The President attacking his own Secret Service agent in the midst of a tantrum was — headline worthy and beats anything Tricky Dick did. But look to incitement. Trump wanted the capitol stormed. We’re there now. We really weren’t before.

    Appalled (1a17de)

  58. Sure sounded like a man who was trying to incite a riot (rather than just a food fight).

    Trump was already upset that they had to surrender their guns to listen to Trump. He wanted them ARMED. It’s really too bad that they didn’t let Trump go to the Capitol in front of an armed mob. So much difficulty could have been avoided.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  59. The President attacking his own Secret Service agent in the midst of a tantrum was — headline worthy and beats anything Tricky Dick did.

    Imagine Trump’s reaction to an Alex Butterfield.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  60. @59 DCSCA is too focused on production values, clothing, looks, etc., to notice the important things.

    He would join Martha in castigating Mary for preferring to listen to Jesus.

    norcal (da5491)

  61. We have Trump knowing his crowd has weapons and wanting them to march on the capitol anyway.

    Appalled (1a17de) — 6/28/2022 @ 2:59 pm

    That’s the bit that matters. The plausibility of prosecuting Trump rose considerably today.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  62. It’s too bad SNL is on summer hiatus. I would love to see their version of events, esp. the Giuliani pat on the back.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  63. @59. You really don’t understand America today.

    Perception is reality.

    And the perception for populists is ‘looking back in anger’ is a waste of time and resources when you can’t fill your gas tank, see empty shelves, have Mr. Magoo as POTUS, a NASA vacuum chamber as VEEP, shoveling borrowed billions out to a lost war that is not yours to fight; abandoned billions in equipment to your enemy; enduring 8.6% inflation – the worst in 40 years- see your institutions corrupted by religious zealotry and rank partisanship… their media flinging anything against the wall to see what sticks; and being preached at by the neocon daughter in drag of Satan’s Seed who sent their kids off to fight neocon wars while dodging any danger himself. One day it will dawn on you that Americans don’t want to be governed; they wish to be entertained.

    DCSCA (5cce96)

  64. I don’t believe the witness and the evidence shows the people arrested in the Capitol were unarmed.

    NJRob (3e3eef)

  65. @62. See #65.

    ‘We have Trump knowing his crowd has weapons and wanting them to march on the capitol anyway.’

    Play the tape of him .. better still: Ask Ashli Babbitt.

    Did you miss Chicago, 1968?? ‘Course defining weapons makes it messy; bull horn, bad breath, bear can.. and that 2nd Amendment thingy of not ‘infringing’ and that C&C stuff on top of any armed good guys in the crowd makes it a tad messy, don’t it.

    DCSCA (5cce96)

  66. https://nypost.com/2022/06/27/voicemail-shows-joe-biden-knew-of-hunters-china-dealings-report/

    But while some are trying to prosecute the former president, the current president has some explaining to do…

    NJRob (3e3eef)

  67. I believe the witness. I believe Trump was trying to intimidate Pence into throwing the election. Despicable, banana republic behavior.

    norcal (da5491)

  68. @68 That’s whataboutism, but yes, Biden also has some explaining to do.

    I don’t like Biden, but get back to me when he wants an armed mob to march on the Capitol.

    norcal (da5491)

  69. P.S. can someone explain how the President, who clearly sits in the backseat, can lunge for the steering wheel? Inquiring minds want to know.

    NJRob (3e3eef)

  70. Imagine Trump’s reaction to an Alex Butterfield.

    He had verbatim audio tapes at hand; “I overheard the president say something to the effect of,” ain’t quite the same thing. Is it. 😉

    DCSCA (5cce96)

  71. @51 This country was founded on revolution Thats why its called the revolutionary war. Lafayette was our Che Guevara and Washington our Mao and Lenin. The whisky rebellion was an early insurrection in our history. The second greatest american after Washington was John Brown our Trotsky. (without Harpers ferry Lincoln would never have been elected president) Jefferson had the right idea. JFK said “those who make peaceful change impossible make violent revolution inevitable. Hopefully AOC will be our Robespierre. I think AOC and the left will take over the democrat party as things like trump’s election and the abortion decision discredits wimp establishment corporate liberals like biden, pelosi, schumer, clinton and the DNC. After the left takes over the democrat party will see what happens. I think the next thing will be a maryter or another kent state. I think these hearings on jan. 6 are counterproductive like trump/russian collusion and clinton/democrats saying the 2016 election process was perfect because they thought they were going to win despite the serious flaws in the system. Now the right is calling abortion protests insurrection! Establishment corperate democrats hoisted on their own petard again! If your not a revolutionary your not a real patriotic american. The woman shot at the capital on jan.6 I disagree with politically ;but I still consider her a patriot dying for our country.

    asset (e9f310)

  72. @70. I don’t like Biden, but get back to me when he wants an armed mob to march on the Capitol.

    Which capital; Kyiv or Moscow? 😉

    Biden contradicts aides and reaffirms his call for Putin’s overthrow

    President Biden contradicted his own staff Monday by insisting he did not regret or retract his spontaneous call from over the weekend for Russian President Vladimir Putin to be removed from power in response to his invasion of Ukraine. – https://nypost.com/2022/03/28/biden-contradicts-aides-reaffirms-call-for-putins-overthrow/

    DCSCA (5cce96)

  73. @73. Thomas Jefferson would likely agree in some way, shape or form:

    https://thefederalistpapers.org/founders/jefferson/thomas-jefferson-god-forbid-we-should-ever-be-twenty-years-without-such-a-rebellion

    It’s an inconvenient truth.

    DCSCA (5cce96)

  74. Washington our Mao and Lenin

    “What’s so unusual about Emperor Shih Huang of the China Dynasty? He had buried alive 460 scholars only, but we have buried alive 46,000 scholars.” Mao was referring to a major “accomplishment” of the Great Cultural Revolution

    Lafayette was our Che Guevara

    Guevara said, “in times of excessive tension we cannot proceed weakly. At the Sierra Maestra, we executed many people by firing squad without knowing if they were fully guilty. At times, the Revolution cannot stop to conduct much investigation; it has the obligation to triumph.”

    Washington and Lafayette aren’t associated with the mass killing of civilians. Do you remember that part about you being a leftist and not lying?

    frosty (a2d0cc)

  75. asset (e9f310) — 6/28/2022 @ 4:46 pm

    You didn’t really answer my question, asset. I’ll repeat it for you.

    How exactly do you see that playing out? Taking over government by force? Politicians just knuckling under because they’re afraid of what’s going on outside?

    Do you really think you’re going to abolish the Constitution and the Electoral College that way?

    norcal (da5491)

  76. P.S. can someone explain how the President, who clearly sits in the backseat, can lunge for the steering wheel? Inquiring minds want to know.

    NJRob (3e3eef) — 6/28/2022 @ 4:25 pm

    I’m skeptical it happened, but it’s not so hard to imagine. It would be stupid and reckless, but that’s right in Trump’s wheelhouse. And if you don’t think someone can reach from the back seat into the front, you don’t have kids. But again, I’ll believe it when I hear it from someone who was in the car.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  77. The point being, the lunging for the wheel incident, which is mostly just a funny story about an idiot doing idiot things, is something she heard third hand. That’s a game of telephone even if she’s doing her best to report it accurately.

    Her account of Trump being fine with armed demonstrators entering the Ellipse because they weren’t out to hurt him is something she says she heard him say directly. That’s a lot less attenuated, and thus more reliable, unless you believe she’s outright lying, which of course you do.

    And whether the demonstrators were actually armed is irrelevant. What matters is what Trump’s alleged comments say about his mental state when he was told they were armed.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  78. Hopefully AOC will be our Robespierre.

    Probably not a good career path to emulate, considering what his end turned out to be. How many different governments has France been through since the Revolution?

    Factory Working Orphan (2775f0)

  79. Probably not a good career path to emulate, considering what his end turned out to be. How many different governments has France been through since the Revolution?

    Factory Working Orphan (2775f0) — 6/28/2022 @ 5:33 pm

    I know. I can’t believe he actually went there.

    norcal (da5491)

  80. @76 While some loyalists and native americans might disagree about revolutionary courts dispensing revolutionary justice. Your point is irrelevant to my point that they were the revolutionary founders of their countries not the tactics they employed. 77 I will repeat I said the left takes over the democrat party then we will see what happens from their as young people become more numerous and more left and the oldsters like me die off. I don’t live in chicago so I can’t vote from the grave. As for what happens next in the abortion battle, the situation is fluid and anything can a probably will happen in reaction.

    asset (e9f310)

  81. But you are being intentionally dense as a form of rear-guard obfuscation. Every country that has laws on abortion has different time limits depending on the reason. How this escaped you is hard to fathom.

    The left and the media have manically been employing this kind of tactical ignorance when it comes to abortion on demand recently, in a desperate attempt to redefine what the plain meaning of the words actually are–because they know their preferred policy, abortion all the way up until the baby is out of the birth canal, is wildly unpopular. Anyone pretending like abortion on demand doesn’t mean what it actually means, is a liar and nothing they argue can be taken in good faith. Anything they put forth should be instantaneously rejected until they stop lying.

    Hey Tom? Stop lying.

    Factory Working Orphan (2775f0)

  82. I know. I can’t believe he actually went there.

    norcal (da5491) — 6/28/2022 @ 5:36 pm

    Don’t tell him about Marat.

    Factory Working Orphan (2775f0)

  83. @77. How exactly do you see that playing out? Taking over government by force? Politicians just knuckling under because they’re afraid of what’s going on outside?

    James Mattoon Scott gave it a try– but that was fiction; lest you forget the realities of a group of folks from below the Mason-Dixon Line who gave it a go, dapperly dressed in gray. 😉

    DCSCA (474afd)

  84. Her account of Trump being fine with armed demonstrators entering the Ellipse because they weren’t out to hurt him is something she says she heard him say directly. That’s a lot less attenuated, and thus more reliable, unless you believe she’s outright lying, which of course you do.

    And whether the demonstrators were actually armed is irrelevant. What matters is what Trump’s alleged comments say about his mental state when he was told they were armed.

    lurker (cd7cd4) — 6/28/2022 @ 5:32 pm

    Her credibility is shot based upon her absurd 3rd hand testimony.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  85. ‘It isn’t the production values but the content.

    DCSCA is too focused on production values’

    ROFLMAOPIP… said the folks who forget the committee hired a PRODUCER to manage their TEEVEE PRODUCTION from ABC.

    =mike-drop=

    DCSCA (474afd)

  86. Lurker,

    Tgere’s a physical barrier that makes it impossible. This isn’t you driving a personal vehicle.

    Don’t be blinded by bias.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  87. Trump could shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue, remember? There is no point in trying to convince a Trump supporter.

    nk (251c2a)

  88. Don’t be blinded by bias.

    NJRob (eb56c3) — 6/28/2022 @ 6:33 pm

    It doesn’t matter if the steering wheel story is true. I knew that Trump was a POS even before today.

    He egged on a mob to intimidate Pence into overturning the election, did nothing when the Capitol was breached, and then praised them afterwards. We all saw it. If you didn’t, then I would suggest that bias has affected you.

    norcal (da5491)

  89. The president has a switch that lowers the partition. And thanks, but I’ll pass on advice from you about blinding bias. I already said I’m skeptical about the limo story. When’s the last time somebody said something incriminating about Trump that you did find credible?

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  90. @89. I know. I’m a walking xkcd cartoon.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  91. @89 The D’s and NeverTrump are doing there best to prove him right. Maybe those walls will close in this time.

    frosty (3f0993)

  92. She’s got more courage than Mike Pence, Meadows, Mulvaney, Mattis, Bolton, Barr, Rex Tillerson, Nikki Haley, Ted Cruz, Rubio, and a whole bunch of others who benefit from the Trump legacy deriding him only when it’s convenient. Spill that tea lady.

    JRH (e710e4)

  93. whoops wrong thread. d’oh.

    JRH (e710e4)

  94. Rep. Miller defeats Rep. Davis in Illinois GOP House primary

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Illinois Republican Rep. Mary Miller has defeated fellow incumbent Rep. Rodney Davis in a primary pitting two House colleagues against each other.

    Miller, who was endorsed by former President Donald Trump, beat Davis in the 15th Congressional District, a sprawling, heavily red part of central Illinois that was redrawn after the state’s shrinking population cost it a congressional seat. – AP.com

    DCSCA (b3c09c)


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