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6/8/2022

Armed Man Arrested Near Justice Kavanaugh’s Home (UPDATE ADDED)

Filed under: General — Dana @ 1:09 pm



[guest post by Dana]

[Ed. Pressed for time, so it’s a quick post.]

An armed man who said he wanted to kill Justice Brett Kavanaugh was arrested near Kavanaugh’s home this morning:

Police arrested a man early Wednesday morning close to the home of Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh, with an unsealed arrest affidavit indicating that the man told officials he wanted to kill the justice.

The suspect, identified by officials as California resident Nicholas John Roske, was arrested at 1:50 a.m. on Wednesday morning, a Supreme Court spokesperson said in a statement. Montgomery County police said that the case has been transferred to the FBI.

The arrest affidavit said that the man, who was allegedly holding a briefcase and backpack and was wearing black clothing, had been dropped off by a taxicab in front of Kavanaugh’s home earlier that morning, later walking away from his residence after seeing two Deputy U.S. Marshalls.

Officials found a slew of items from Roske’s backpack and suitcase, including a Glock 17 pistol with two magazines and ammunition, zip ties, a crow bar and pepper spray, among others.

From the affadavit, Roske said “that he was upset about the leak of a recent Supreme Court draft decision regarding the right to abortion as well as the recent school shooting in Uvalde, Texas. Roske indicated he believed the Justice that he intended to kill would side with Second Amendment decisions that would loosen gun control laws”…

President Biden condemned the actions of the suspect:

White House deputy press secretary Andrew Bates told Fox News Wednesday that “President Biden condemns the actions of this individual in the strongest terms, and is grateful to law enforcement for quickly taking him into custody.”

“As the President has consistently made clear, public officials—including judges—must be able to do their jobs without concern for their personal safety or that of their families,” Bates said. “And any violence, threats of violence, or attempts to intimidate justices have no place in our society.”

Bates stressed that the president has “said that himself, and his spokespeople have been forceful about this from the podium.”

Mitch McConnell weighed in, and pointed the finger at House Democrats for blocking the unanimously voted-for Senate bill (May 9) which would provide funding security for Supreme Court justices and their families. (Note that the White House did not mention the SC security bill in this morning’s comments…):

This:

On May 20, Dick Durbin of Illinois, the second-ranking Democrat in the Senate, said he was very concerned the House hadn’t yet voted on the bill. House Democrats have claimed they have not moved the legislation because they want to add funding for Supreme Court clerks and staff, but the notion that it would take more than a month to make such a minor change to the bill is preposterous.

Note that:

The threat at Kavanaugh’s home comes one day after the Department of Homeland Security rebuffed a “heightened” terrorism advisory ahead of the Supreme Court’s expected reversal of the nation’s landmark abortion rights ruling.

I don’t see any reason for the delay in passing the current court funding bill. Nancy Pelosi should explain, in light of the volatile protests at Justices’ homes last month, why it continues to be delayed. Thus far, I can find no new comments from her regarding either the bill or today’s events at Kavanaugh’s home.

Also, I am seeing on Twitter that a great many people are demanding to know: If the SC Justices get a bill passed to specifically provide protection from deranged people with guns, why isn’t the safety of America’s schoolchildren an equal priority (with regard to bills being passed to protect them from deranged people with guns) as well?

UPDATE:

And I’m just going to leave this reminder here:

Meanwhile, people are protesting outside the homes of Justices Kavanaugh and Roberts in an effort to influence their votes, which is illegal under a statute that is likely constitutional.

–Dana

110 Responses to “Armed Man Arrested Near Justice Kavanaugh’s Home (UPDATE ADDED)”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (1225fc)

  2. This is also after a couple of pro-life clinics have been bombed recently. The left certainly feels violence is the answer and the way to enforcing their will. And they have the support of the media and a large portion of the government.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  3. Supreme Court Justices will be in danger no matter how the Court rules in Dobbs. Both sides have their extremists, neither side has clean hands. For example, Eric Rudolph, confessed to bombing two abortion clinics before the 1996 Olympic bombing. There have been 41 bombings, 173 arsons, 91 attempted bombings or arsons, 619 bomb threats, etc. of abortion clinics, as well as the murder of four doctors.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  4. Seems to me, this sort of thing is going to backfire immensely, if nothing else, to show the public that these Justices won’t be cowed by these abhorrent behaviors.

    whembly (867f2f)

  5. Not to draw any equivalency, but the description of what the attempted murderer carried pretty much describes what was found on the January 6th protesters.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  6. Where’s the leaker?

    DCSCA (8cd2eb)

  7. The “Abandonment” Defense to Criminal Attempt, and the Person Who Was Planning to Kill Justice Kavanaugh

    The plan to kill Justice Kavanaugh is horrible for many obvious reasons. But the one nonobvious question that might arise, and that I thought I’d address, is this—it appears that the would-be killer likely changed his mind, which is why he was arrested:

    On June 8, 2022, at approximately 1:05 a.m., two United States Deputy Marshals saw an individual dressed in black clothing and carrying a backpack and a suitcase, get out of a taxicab that had stopped in front of the Montgomery County, Maryland residence of a current Justice of the United States Supreme Court. The individual looked at the two Deputy S. Marshals, who were standing next to their parked vehicle, and then turned to walk down the street.

    Shortly thereafter, Montgomery County Emergency Communications Center fielded a call from an individual who identified himself as NICHOLAS JOHN ROSKE. ROSKE informed the call taker that he was having suicidal thoughts and had a firearm in his suitcase. ROSKE also told the call taker he came from California to kill a specific United States Supreme Court Justice. The Montgomery County Police Department officers were dispatched to the location near the Supreme Court Justice’s residence where they encountered ROSKE, who was still on the telephone with the Montgomery County Emergency Communications Center. ROSKE was taken into custody without incident and law enforcement officers seized both the backpack and the suitcase that were still in his possession.

    Assume, for purposes of this question, that Roske called 911 because had completely and voluntarily changed his mind (rather than because, say, he was worried about getting caught). Does that mean that he’s not guilty of the crime of attempt (setting aside the separate question of whether he’s guilty of threatening a Justice), under the “abandonment” or “renunciation” defense?

    The Model Penal Code, and followed by some state courts and statutes, say that yes, such a defense would be available…..
    ……..
    But federal law appears to generally say no (though I know of no precedents from the Fourth Circuit, where the case is being prosecuted). U.S. v. Young (8th Cir. 2010) lays it out thus:

    ……
    [A]ll of our sister circuits that have faced this issue have either held that a defendant cannot abandon a completed attempt or have alluded to such a determination. See U.S. v. Crowley (2d Cir. 2003) (not formally addressing the issue but noting, “[t]he only other circuits that have formally addressed the question have rejected the defense as a matter of federal law”); U.S. v. Shelton (6th Cir. 1994) (“[W]ithdrawal, abandonment and renunciation, however characterized, do not provide a defense to an attempt crime.”); U.S. v. Bussey (9th Cir. 1974) (“A voluntary abandonment of an attempt which has proceeded well beyond preparation as here, will not bar a conviction for the attempt.”); U.S. v. Wales (10th Cir. 2005) (unpublished) (“[N]either this circuit nor any other circuit to have addressed the issue has held that abandonment or renunciation may constitute a defense to the completed crime of attempt.”).
    ……..

    ……..[T]he federal courts, as Young notes, follow the “substantial step” test: The government must prove that the defendant had the purpose of committing a crime, and that the defendant took a substantial step. Traveling armed to the victim’s house, with the intent to commit the crime, would surely qualify as a substantial step. And the attempt is a punishable “completed attempt” even if the defendant didn’t take the final step that would have been in his control (such as shooting the gun, even if the shot missed).
    ……….

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  8. One would have thought the crazy protesters would have been charged with attempted murder considering they had the non-equivalent/equivalent tools.

    BuDuh (340919)

  9. Rescinding a right by a group of bureaucrats that can’t even keep track of some important papers ain’t exactly a popular notion with anybody.

    But pissing off modern American women– God help anybody who does that.

    Besides, until they find the leaker, any decisions they make lack gravitas until they ferret out the source of the leak. [Believe Alito’s office did it; they were his papers to keep track of; his responsibility.] Unfortunately, in a free society, government officials get threatened way too much as it is- and now the National Guard has been put on alert pending any court decisions that come down. Young Brett is well guarded; so he should just relax and pop a few colds ones… 😉

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HlKpWdrq-4

    In Heaven there is no beer
    That’s why we drink it here
    And when we’re gone from here
    All our friends will be drinking all that beer!

    Frank Yankovic

    DCSCA (8cd2eb)

  10. Also, I am seeing on Twitter that a great many people are demanding to know: If the SC Justices get a bill passed to specifically provide protection from deranged people with guns, why isn’t the safety of America’s schoolchildren an equal priority (with regard to bills being passed to protect them from deranged people with guns) as well?

    The answer of course is because the Supreme Court Justices are in danger specifically because they are performing their assigned duties. Progressives seriously need to decide if we need armed guards at all schools in the country (which is today’s demand) or if having armed guards in schools is intimidating to students of color who have checkered histories with law enforcement (which was yesterday’s claim). But the idea that passing new gun laws in the heat of the moment is necessarily going to make schools safe is exactly the same logic as saying that throwing more taxpayer money into public education is clearly going to improve results.

    JVW (020d31)

  11. DCSCA (8cd2eb) — 6/8/2022 @ 2:08 pm

    Believe Alito’s office did it; they were his papers to keep track of; his responsibility

    A proposed opinion is circulated to all the other justices.

    I heard Kate Shaw today on the Brian Lehrer (I think) show agree that the Supreme Court may not issue all of its decisions until into July – she thinks it is almost impossible to get it done before then.

    The distrust and the guarding against leaks has evidently slowed down the work of the Supreme Court.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  12. The clerks have been the subject of much of the outside speculation over who might have disclosed the draft, but they are not the only insiders who had access. Alito’s opinion, labeled a first draft and dated February 10, would have been circulated to the nine justices, their clerks, and key staffers within each justice’s chambers and select administrative offices.

    If tradition was followed, copies were sent electronically and, separately, printed out and hand-delivered to chambers by aides to the marshal.

    Other employees connected to the nine chambers would have had some access to the opinion. CNN could not verify that number, but former law clerks say the document could have been sent through regular channels to nearly 75 people. It is not known if court officials are asking employees who are part of the permanent staff, beyond the one-year law clerks, for their phone records.
    ………
    There are protocols for handling drafts of court opinions, which circulate electronically on a closed system, separate from the computer system the justices and court employees use to communicate with people outside the court. Yet it is possible for printed copies to leave the building under even innocent circumstances, as work is taken home.

    Source

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  13. JVW (020d31) — 6/8/2022 @ 2:22 pm

    But the idea that passing new gun laws in the heat of the moment is necessarily going to make schools safe is exactly the same logic as saying that throwing more taxpayer money into public education is clearly going to improve results.

    Armed guards wouldn;t help that much – they can’t be everywhere at once..

    But lockdown that can be implemented more quickly might have the most effect.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/03/us/uvalde-police-response.html

    …Khloie Torres had been watching a movie with her fourth-grade classmates in Room 112 when her teacher, Irma Garcia, told the class to go into lockdown. Ms. Garcia turned off the movie, and then rushed toward the classroom door to lock it. But she struggled to find the right key for the door. Gunfire could be heard in the hallways.

    Instead of keys, use something built into the wall similar to what locks a car door. With some checks and balances. A way by the administration to open the door if someone locks himself in. A way still to keep it locked. A way around that

    Don’t place classrooms near any entrance. This school, built in the 1930s also had doors that opened to the outside (but they might have been locked)

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  14. One would have thought the crazy protesters would have been charged with attempted murder considering they had the non-equivalent/equivalent tools.

    I’m sure they would have tried if given half the chance to physically confront any of Congressional leaders or VP Pence.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  15. They need lockdown drills, like fire drills.

    Of course, also good would be green light laws (not red flag laws, which capture a lot of people who would never do anything, and miss even 25% probabilities)

    And this business of having professionals pronounce on someone’s dangerousness!??

    No, insurance by people who know the gun purchaser or owner.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  16. Some were calling to hang Mike Pence and they had even erected a gallows (of course probably not thinking they had a realistic chance of lynching him and the gallows might not even have worked — they had no experience in lynching.)

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  17. DCSCA, how dare you steal credit of authorship of “In Heaven There Is No Beer” away from the great Ernst Neubach, the genius who not only wrote that tune, but also was the screenwriter and producer for Sperrbezirk, featuring the delightfully gorgeous duo of Suzanne Roquette, known to American viewers by her appearance in the last good Indiana Jones movie, and Ingeborg Schöner, the most beautiful Austrian to ever play an Indian in an Italian movie.

    JVW (020d31)

  18. This dude came from California.

    I’m curious as to how he got his firearm…California has one of the most restrictive gun control and red flag laws.

    whembly (3bda0a)

  19. I’m sure they would have tried if given half the chance to physically confront any of Congressional leaders or VP Pence.

    Of course you are sure of that.

    BuDuh (340919)

  20. He only said he came to kill Kavanaugh after he had already turned back because he saw the marshals and had called some number and said he wanted to commit suicide. It was in the context of wanting to commit suicide that he said he came there to commit an assassination. (according to the affidavit)

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  21. @11. It was HIS paperwork to keep track of, Sammy.

    __________

    @17. Oh my, JVW. I am =hic= =belch= =hiccup= humbled.

    Still, hard to beat Yankovic’s splendid accordion beer hall rendition. Bet it’s played on Kavanaugh’s government-driven SUV rides to and from work. 😉

    DCSCA (8cd2eb)

  22. We have lockdown drills like fire drills and they take less than 30 seconds to implement. I have no idea what happened in Uvalde, entire response was not at all what it should’ve been.

    Nic (896fdf)

  23. This dude came from California.

    I’m curious as to how he got his firearm…California has one of the most restrictive gun control and red flag laws.

    whembly (3bda0a) — 6/8/2022 @ 2:38 pm

    Red flag laws are a joke. They are only good if a family member or law enforcement knows someone is “unstable” (whatever that means) and possesses firearms, they don’t protect against “lone wolves”. The Glock 17 is a legal firearm in California.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  24. The man called 9-11 on himself. A nut case or crisis actor. Expect more of this.

    asset (5c5b1f)

  25. Rip Murdock,

    Your post in 5 is as close to a deliberate falsehood as they come in that you deliberately try to make it seem that people on Jan 6th carried guns with the intent to murder congressmen in the Capitol.

    But the truth shows otherwise:

    Reffitt is one of three people charged with carrying a gun onto Capitol grounds; no one is charged so far with having a gun inside the building.

    In Reffitt’s case, prosecutors last month shared a photo of the holster and the gun that the FBI reported finding in his bedroom. They also highlighted two images pulled from video footage on Jan. 6 that showed a person, identified as Reffitt, from behind with a black, rectangular object attached to his pants sticking out from under a blue coat — an object that the government says it intends to prove was the same holster and pistol if his case goes to trial. Reffitt told the FBI when agents searched his home in January that he’d disassembled the pistol to comply with local gun laws.

    Reffitt wasn’t the first person charged with bringing a gun onto Capitol grounds. As DC police cleared the area the night of Jan. 6, an officer noticed a man with a “bulge” on his right hip. Officers recovered a loaded 9mm pistol and a magazine from Christopher Alberts of Maryland, and he was arrested on the spot, according to his charging papers. He and his lawyer are considering a plea deal offer from the government, according to a Nov. 2 status report.

    In July, the Justice Department charged Mark Ibrahim of California with bringing a gun onto Capitol grounds. He was on leave at the time from his job as a special agent with the Drug Enforcement Administration and didn’t have permission to be at the Capitol; he’d previously put in a resignation notice. He posed for photos flashing his government-issued firearm, according to his charging papers. During a voluntary interview with the Justice Department’s inspector general’s office in March, he acknowledged having his gun and his DEA badge but denied displaying them.

    Two other defendants have been charged with illegally bringing guns and explosive devices to Washington on Jan. 6, but those weapons were found in their vehicles and the government hasn’t put forward evidence that they brought them to the Capitol.

    NJRob (cfbddc)

  26. Rip Murdock,

    Your post in 5 is as close to a deliberate falsehood as they come in that you deliberately try to make it seem that people on Jan 6th carried guns with the intent to murder congressmen in the Capitol.

    Not sure why else they would need to bring firearms into DC when they should have known the District’s laws on possessing concealed or openly carried firearms. At the very least they were brought to intimidate.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  27. At the very least they were brought to intimidate.

    Sure.

    Nobody considers them to be used defensively.

    BuDuh (340919)

  28. Nobody considers them to be used defensively.

    BuDuh (340919) — 6/8/2022 @ 3:06 pm

    Not in the District of Columbia (or Federal buildings). Not allowed.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  29. You don’t know the reason and saying “not allowed” doesn’t defend what you think the reason may be.

    It is impossible that someone took a gun into a gun free zone because they felt the need to have a defensive tool on them?

    BuDuh (340919)

  30. The upcoming Supreme Court ruling in New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen should overturn New York’s concealed carry permit law. Hopefully it will overturn these requirements nationwide.

    Justice Brett Kavanaugh seemed particularly troubled by how much discretion that standard places in the hands of local licensing officials. “That’s the real concern, isn’t it?” Kavanaugh said to New York Solicitor General Barbara Underwood. “With any constitutional right, if it’s the discretion of an individual [licensing] officer, that seems inconsistent with an objective constitutional right.” And why, Kavanaugh also asked, “isn’t it good enough to say I live in a violent area and I want to defend myself?”

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  31. It is impossible that someone took a gun into a gun free zone because they felt the need to have a defensive tool on them?

    It’s possible but not allowed under DC or Federal law.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  32. There is no “feelings” exception to DC or Federal firearms law.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  33. More respected than the Supreme Court of the United States; the Congress of the United States… and, of course, the POTUS:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsDGv2V9tEE

    “Just last week a guy pulled a knife on me… I could see it wasn’t a real professional job; there was butter on it…”

    DCSCA (8cd2eb)

  34. I don’t follow your reasoning, Rip. I really don’t. I am not arguing that it was not illegal to bring the gun there. I am arguing that your narrow reason is not the only reason that someone would have brought a gun.

    Nikki Goeser has been back in the news lately. Maybe you can look into what happened to her.

    BuDuh (340919)

  35. Justice Brett Kavanaugh seemed particularly troubled by how much discretion that standard places in the hands of local licensing officials.

    Boozers feel that way; bars should be open 24/7, 365, right Brett?! Where’s a fella supposed to get a snort on Christmas? 😉

    DCSCA (8cd2eb)

  36. But in this case there is ample reason to believe that certain municipalities might not be following the applicable laws and legal precedents with respect to issuing concealed carry weapon permits. Look no further than the town next door to me.

    JVW (020d31)

  37. The distrust and the guarding against leaks has evidently slowed down the work of the Supreme Court.

    How can they tell when those lazy-azzed life-time appointed, paper jockeying bureaucrats take 4 months off every year as it is. The folks who pay their salaries are lucky to get two weeks a year off.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  38. BTW, by respect for Mitch McConnell grows every time he addresses an issue. He’s always one of the adults in the room in the same sense that Donald Trump never is.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  39. It’s All on Catholic Alito. His paperwork; his responsibility to keep track of it. He leaked it for reasons proposed on earlier threads. And when they release opinions this summer, with apologies to the great Bob Seeger, they’ll ‘Get out of Denver’ and hide their be-robed butts ASAP.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcEAfZX6SJw

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  40. @38. Depends. And that refers to the 80 year old Turtle’s adult diapers.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  41. What I don’t understand is conservatives who recognize that California is chock full o’ nuts but still want them free to own guns. SMH

    nk (887797)

  42. This is unacceptable, and I believe illegal. There should be mass arrests.

    Paul Montagu (5de684)

  43. I’m curious as to how he got his firearm…California has one of the most restrictive gun control and red flag laws.

    I had no problem getting a wheel gun in CA, but semi-autos were getting hard to obtain due to a restrictive “approval list” that didn’t seem to be adding any guns but was aging some off. You could not buy any of the smaller PX4 Storms, for example. There were any number of specific rules and “safety features” needed to get on the list, and most manufacturers tended not to bother.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  44. Leader McConnell????

    Huh? The Turtle waxes wistfully; he’s the Minority Leader as of now.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  45. I’ve just added an update to the post.

    Dana (1225fc)

  46. This is unacceptable, and I believe illegal. There should be mass arrests.

    The message “we know where you live” is always threatening. I wonder if any of these people are strapped.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  47. This is unacceptable, and I believe illegal. There should be mass arrests.

    Arrests? Pfft. If he can’t handle the heat, hang up the robe, head to the bar and stay out of the kitchen.

    ‘Declaring that freedom is “untidy,” Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said Friday the looting in Iraq was a result of “pent-up feelings” of oppression and that it would subside as Iraqis adjusted to life without Saddam Hussein.’https://www.cnn.com/2003/US/04/11/sprj.irq.pentagon/

    “Never mind what I told you. I’m telling you!” – Captain Morton [James Cagney] ‘Mister Roberts’ 1955

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  48. The message “we know where you live” is always threatening.

    Said the IRS, Google, any cellphone firm, cable company, bank, credit card firm, etc., etc. etc.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  49. There is no “feelings” exception to DC or Federal firearms law.

    There assuredly isn’t
    .

    Mark Witaschek, a successful financial adviser with no criminal record, is facing two years in prison for possession of unregistered ammunition after D.C. police raided his house looking for guns. Mr. Witaschek has never had a firearm in the city, but he is being prosecuted to the full extent of the law. The trial starts on Nov. 4.

    The police banged on the front door of Mr. Witaschek’s Georgetown home at 8:20 p.m. on July 7, 2012, to execute a search warrant for “firearms and ammunition … gun cleaning equipment, holsters, bullet holders and ammunition receipts.”

    Mr. Witaschek’s 14-year-old daughter let inside some 30 armed officers in full tactical gear.

    D.C. law requires residents to register every firearm with the police, and only registered gun owners can possess ammunition, which includes spent shells and casings. The maximum penalty for violating these laws is a $1,000 fine and a year in jail.

    Police based their search on a charge made by Mr. Witaschek’s estranged wife, who had earlier convinced a court clerk to issue a temporary restraining order against her husband for threatening her with a gun, although a judge later found the charge to be without merit.

    And it gets worse from here. Much worse.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  50. And I’m just going to leave this reminder here

    Surely Musk will tend to the rules and regs of that platform in time.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  51. Said the IRS, Google, any cellphone firm, cable company, bank, credit card firm, etc., etc. etc.

    If any of them set up camp outside my door and harassed me and all my visitors, you betcha we’d have a problem.

    The House hasn’t passed the law because House members want this to continue.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  52. There have been 41 bombings, 173 arsons, 91 attempted bombings or arsons, 619 bomb threats, etc. of abortion clinics, as well as the murder of four doctors.

    Some infants have also died.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  53. Populism is nearing a boil again; protect school children or the bureaucrats first…

    Find the leaker; ban assault weapons.

    “Git-R-Done.” – Larry The Cable Guy

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  54. DC is an unconstitutional city in a state of rebellion.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  55. Seems to me, this sort of thing is going to backfire immensely, if nothing else, to show the public that these Justices won’t be cowed by these abhorrent behaviors.

    I think that Roberts will be pressured to join the other five, just for this reason. What would warm my hear would be an 8-1 ruling, with only the leaker (Sotomayor) dissenting.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  56. There could be unstable people like Roske who could take Schumer’s words the wrong way.

    “I want to tell you Gorsuch. I want to tell you Kavanaugh. You have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price. You won’t know what hit you if you go forward with these awful decisions.”

    Paul Montagu (5de684)

  57. If any of them set up camp outside my door and harassed me and all my visitors, you betcha we’d have a problem

    Telemarketers be damned, eh?! 😉

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  58. Rescinding a right– particular one directly affecting option afforded to American women- will have consequences; certainly the mere act of rescinding a right is a step backwards for the United States; but pissing off modern American women is a battle axed group primed for retaliation. ‘Hell has no fury…’ as the saying goes.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  59. “…[H]e shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed”

    Article II, Section 3

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  60. Telemarketers be damned, eh?!

    Yes. Doubly. And outside my door? Shot.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  61. It used to be a right to keep what one had earned. They “rescinded” that right with the income tax.

    It used to be a right to be born. They “rescinded” that right with Roe.

    It used to a right to take a dump on the White House lawn….

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  62. Also, I am seeing on Twitter that a great many people

    Those people on Twitter seem confused and/or dishonest. Even if we’re talking about the same laws, which I don’t think we are, there are a variety of obvious answers. So obvious that this isn’t a talking point worth taking seriously.

    frosty (184a56)

  63. @61 Current income tax victim. Former fetus. Regular pooper. And I vote

    frosty (184a56)

  64. @58 I think the term the kids these days use is birthing person.

    So, I think the modern version of that is “Imaginary places that factor into the superstitious belief systems of the uneducated hath no equivalent personal truth as a birthing person oppressed”.

    frosty (184a56)

  65. Both sides have their extremists, neither side has clean hands.
    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/8/2022 @ 1:42 pm

    only two groups do bad things:

    1. the right
    2. “both sides”

    JF (a6ce52)

  66. I wonder what they’ll say about the abortion groups that “targeted” Kavanaugh.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  67. It’s certainly unnaceptable, obnoxious, and despicable, but I don’t see how it’s illegal. It’s a public sidewalk. We’ve established that it’s perfectly legal to stand on the public sidewalk outside funerals, picketing and denouncing the dead and harassing the visitors on their way in and out. This is a variation of the same bad behavior, and it’s every bit as legal.

    aphrael (4c4719)

  68. Mark levine whines that chuckie schumer goes butch liberal and yells were coming after you gorsuch and kavenaugh! When everyone knows that chuckie and nancy don’t have the guts to go after these reprobates. That is why the people will have to lead and eventually the leaders will follow.

    asset (3d20f3)

  69. @60. There are limits of free market capitalism, eh? 😉

    Bidenomics.
    Bidenoptics.
    Bidenaurics.

    DCSCA (967f9f)

  70. Mark levine whines…

    Leave it at that.

    Like Ted Cruz, his winkie has been caught in his zipper for years.

    DCSCA (967f9f)

  71. @67. It’s certainly unnaceptable, obnoxious, and despicable, but I don’t see how it’s illegal. It’s a public sidewalk. We’ve established that it’s perfectly legal to stand on the public sidewalk outside funerals, picketing and denouncing the dead and harassing the visitors on their way in and out. This is a variation of the same bad behavior, and it’s every bit as legal.

    OTOH, if that same group was singing hymns and praising young Brett for his Catholic stand on abortion, what would be the difference.

    DCSCA (967f9f)

  72. It’s All on Catholic Alito.

    What’s up with the religious bigotry?

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  73. His paperwork; his responsibility to keep track of it.

    That must be the dumbest thing I’ve seen today. And I’ve seen some things.

    It’s longstanding SCOTUS tradition to circulate drafts for review and comment. Once a draft is distributed, every recipient is expected to safeguard it. What you’re saying is akin to lending me your lawnmower, and when I leave it out and it gets stolen, me saying to you, “your lawnmower; your responsibility to keep track of it.”

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  74. He leaked it for reasons proposed on earlier threads.

    So you know Alito leaked it, huh? Like you knew Trump would win Pennsylvania? I wish we could bet in these threads. I’d so love to take your money on this.

    Why? Because I’m no fan of Alito. I dislike his partisanship, I object to much of his jurisprudence, and I’m not crazy about his writing. So I resent that your bigoted inanity requires me morally and logically to defend him.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  75. It’s certainly unnaceptable, obnoxious, and despicable, but I don’t see how it’s illegal. It’s a public sidewalk. We’ve established that it’s perfectly legal to stand on the public sidewalk outside funerals, picketing and denouncing the dead and harassing the visitors on their way in and out. This is a variation of the same bad behavior, and it’s every bit as legal.

    aphrael (4c4719) — 6/8/2022 @ 9:46 pm

    See, 18 U.S. Code § 1507

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  76. @72. Ask Alito.

    DCSCA (19a538)

  77. @73. That must be the dumbest thing I’ve seen today. And I’ve seen some things.

    Hmmm. Step away from the mirror. His paperwork. His responsibility.

    @74. Pfft. Ignorance is bliss. Stay happy!

    DCSCA (19a538)

  78. @73. So lurker lends the Delta bros his car- they destroy it. He squeals WTF; the bros respond, face it, you screwed up; you trusted us. Lurker squawks what do I do; the Delta bros tell him to report the car stolen; lurker’s gets new car- and insurance rates go up: on lurker. His car; his responsibility.

    https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/dbdf84b3-d204-477c-8507-74e5239b37ce

    DCSCA (163a04)

  79. Looks to me like someone wants to keep the Supreme Court abortion story in the mind of the electorate. Perhaps the political benefit was wearing off, so they needed to restir the pot. Regardless of what is behind the story, things are certainly not as they appear at face value.
    🍻DCSCA

    mg (8cbc69)

  80. Mark levine whines…

    Leave it at that.

    Like Ted Cruz, his winkie has been caught in his zipper for years.

    DCSCA (967f9f) — 6/8/2022 @ 10:19 pm

    Yeah, I was definitely Team Savage during Levin’s beefs with the once-Michael Weiner.

    urbanleftbehind (29e867)

  81. @79 There are several red flags on this story. It’ll be interesting to see if this guy goes in the hole and gets what he gets like the Jan/6 ppl or if he goes a route like the lawyers who firebombed the cop car.

    I’m guessing Roe hasn’t done much for the get out the vote initiative. Instead I’m hearing about state plans to protect infanticide. Haza for federalism!

    frosty (184a56)

  82. @78 I don’t know who these delta bros are but it sounds like they’re involved in insurance fraud. Possibly some other crimes as well.

    I would say that today we learned not to trust dcsca with anything important. But we already knew that right? Did we learn he hates Catholics? I think we should have known that.

    frosty (184a56)

  83. DCSCA:

    The Supreme Court members and their employees have depended on trust for many, many years. Maybe that’s foolish and naive, but it makes things a whole heck of a lot easier when it comes to getting things done. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that, with this leak, things at the court have slowed to an absolute crawl.

    The Court will now have to get better document management procedures in place. Which people will evade because they are a pain to deal with and slow the actual decision process down. (See e-mails, Hillary Clinton).

    frosty:

    Your #82 may win post of the day.

    Appalled (1a17de)

  84. It was reasonable to assume that a premature leak of the Dobbs opinion would lead to significant blowback directed at the five justices. It’s never seemed persuasive to me to think that one of the five would intentionally create this hostile atmosphere in hopes of solidifying the other four’s position (in reality, with motivated opponents viciously attacking the reasoning, the pressure is to default to Robert’s compromise position). The Alito theory smells like 1) I really don’t like Alito, 2) he wrote the opinion, so 3) he must have did it (one more step than with Thomas).

    AJ_Liberty (ec7f74)

  85. DC is an unconstitutional city in a state of rebellion.

    NJRob (eb56c3) — 6/8/2022 @ 6:14 pm

    Actually Washington DC is the only city mentioned in the Constitution (Article 1, Section 8).

    The U.S. Constitution provides for a federal district under the exclusive jurisdiction of Congress; the district is therefore not a part of any U.S. state (nor is it one itself). The signing of the Residence Act on July 16, 1790, approved the creation of a capital district located along the Potomac River near the country’s East Coast. The City of Washington was founded in 1791 to serve as the national capital, and Congress held its first session there in 1800. In 1801, the territory, formerly part of Maryland and Virginia (including the settlements of Georgetown and Alexandria), officially became recognized as the federal district. In 1846, Congress returned the land originally ceded by Virginia, including the city of Alexandria; in 1871, it created a single municipal government for the remaining portion of the district.
    ………
    Congress passed the District of Columbia Organic Act of 1801 which officially organized the district and placed the entire territory under the exclusive control of the federal government. …… After the passage of this Act, citizens living in the district were no longer considered residents of Maryland or Virginia, which therefore ended their representation in Congress.
    …….
    Congress passed the Organic Act of 1871, which repealed the individual charters of the cities of Washington and Georgetown, abolished Washington County, and created a new territorial government for the whole District of Columbia.
    …….
    In 1973, Congress enacted the District of Columbia Home Rule Act, providing for an elected mayor and thirteen-member council for the district. (source)
    ……..
    Under the “Home Rule” government, Congress reviews all legislation passed by the council before it can become law and retains authority over the District’s budget. Also, the President appoints the District’s judges, and the District still has no voting representation in Congress

    Notice how nearly every sentence starts with “Congress enacted or passed.” Checking the power of the District government is the responsibility of Congress.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  86. I don’t follow your reasoning, Rip. I really don’t. I am not arguing that it was not illegal to bring the gun there. I am arguing that your narrow reason is not the only reason that someone would have brought a gun.

    Nikki Goeser has been back in the news lately. Maybe you can look into what happened to her.

    BuDuh (340919) — 6/8/2022 @ 3:27 pm

    Again, there was no reason for the insurrectionists to bring firearms, unless they intended to use them, either to threaten or injure lawmakers or confront law enforcement (the only armed threat to the insurrectionists). In fact, for months Trump claimed there were no firearms at the insurrection.

    I have no idea who Nikki Goeser is, but apparently her case does not involve January 6th. Her stalker should remain in prison and lose his mail privileges. She is free to obtain a firearm to defend herself.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  87. DC and the leftists in Michigan doing everything they can to steal the state.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  88. I wonder what they’ll say about the abortion groups that “targeted” Kavanaugh.

    Probably nothing, of course. The organizers of these protests (“Ruth Sent Us”) had the following to say about the would-be assassin:

    After announcing plans to forge ahead with “peaceful and joyful” protests — outside the homes of Alito, Kavanaugh, Justice Amy Coney Barrett, and Chief Justice John Roberts — in the coming days, they directed the next message to Kavanaugh and his family.

    “We offer our thoughts & prayers to Brett & Ashley Kavanaugh after a California man arrived by taxi near their home, armed with a gun & knife, then called the police on himself to confess his murderous rage against the abusive alcoholic ‘Justice.’ We didn’t send him,” the next tweet read.

    and

    “A special message for Ashley Kavanaugh and your daughter — this billboard was on your school grounds. We feel for you. @LeaderMcConnell and the GOP aren’t worried for your safety. They worry only for the expensive Supreme Court they rigged, and their own power,” the tweet read, and included a photo of a poster advertising a crisis pregnancy center.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/horrific-pro-abortion-activists-send-special-message-to-kavanaughs-wife-and-kids-after-would-be-assassin-is-caught-by-his-home

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  89. https://www.woodtv.com/news/ottawa-county/fbi-gubernatorial-candidate-ryan-kelley-arrested/

    Looks like a MI gubernatorial candidate has been arrested for breaking the law on Jan 6.

    Time123 (f61e06)

  90. @82. I don’t know who these delta bros are but it sounds like they’re involved in insurance fraud.

    Said Dean Wormer to Douglas Neidermeyer.

    =mike-drop=

    DCSCA (1b72b1)

  91. Poll: After Michigan Candidates Purge, Ryan Kelley Leads GOP Race For Governor
    ……..
    A new poll (taken in late May) shows that a relatively unknown candidate, Allendale real estate agent Ryan Kelley, who was at the Jan. 6, 2021 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, leads his party’s primary race with 19-percent support.

    He’s followed by Kevin Rinke with 15 percent, Tudor Dixon with 9 percent, Garrett Soldano with 6 percent and Ralph Rebandt with 1 percent.

    It’s a fluid contest as voters get acquainted with who’s out, who’s in and who they are. Of the 400 people polled late this week, 49 percent said they were still undecided.
    …….

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  92. @83. Maybe that’s foolish and naive, but it makes things a whole heck of a lot easier when it comes to getting things done. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that, with this leak, things at the court have slowed to an absolute crawl.

    Bull. You preach ‘importance’- Hell, making excuses for bureaucrats bureaucrating is what fuels populism, destroys their own gravitas through bureaucrastic incopetence and leads to storming the castle. If the berobed bunglers can’t keep track of a set of important papers with contents affecting 333 million citizens, why should anybody allow them the luxury of trust let alone gravitas. Catholics? yeah, really hated that JFK fella =sarc= But gosh, when priests stop diddling kiddies, get back to me.

    DCSCA (1b72b1)

  93. The Alito theory smells like 1) I really don’t like Alito, 2) he wrote the opinion, so 3) he must have did it (one more step than with Thomas).

    No, AJ. As noted on earlier threads, given Sam’s history at SOTU, and comments over the years about silence – and more recently, post leak, he’s a reasonable suspect at undercutting the persuasiveness of the CJ on younger, less devoted colleagues. He doth protest too much. So an old zealot near the end of his career throws the young clerks with their futures ahead under the bus. It’s brilliantly devious- worthy of a 13th century pope crusading across Europe.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLMp-1NdzR8

    https://www.salon.com/2022/05/11/samuel-alitos-use-of-ancient-misogyny-scotus-rewinds-to-centuries-old-common-law-for-abortion-ban/

    DCSCA (1b72b1)

  94. #92

    If you think the fact of the Supreme Court leak (as opposed to the policy revealed in it) is fueling anything in the vox populi, you have a bad idea of what moves people.

    Appalled (3cfac6)

  95. Supreme Court’s Amy Coney Barrett Got $425,000 in Book Royalties Last Year

    ‘(Bloomberg) — US Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett collected $425,000 in royalties last year for an as-yet unannounced book, according to her newly released financial disclosure report. The royalties more than doubled Barrett’s 2021 non-investment income, which included her $268,300 salary as an associate justice and $14,280 in teaching income from the University of Notre Dame Law School.

    Politico reported in April that Barrett had secured a $2 million advance for a book about the duty of judges to keep their personal views out of their rulings. That sum would be the largest ever for a Supreme Court justice, topping the $1.5 million Justice Clarence Thomas received for his 2007 memoir and the $1.175 million advance Justice Sonia Sotomayor got for hers, published in 2013.

    Barrett’s Big Book Deal Called Bad Optics for Supreme Court

    Three other justices also reported book income in financial disclosure forms released Thursday. Justice Neil Gorsuch collected more than $250,000, Sotomayor received more than $110,000 and Justice Stephen Breyer got about $8,000.

    Barrett, a Donald Trump appointee who took her seat just eight days before the 2020 presidential election, is a core member of the court’s conservative wing. The court is scheduled to rule in the coming weeks in cases that could eliminate the constitutional right to abortion, expand gun rights and curb the power of the Environmental Protection Agency to tackle climate change.

    A Supreme Court spokeswoman didn’t immediate respond to a request for comment on the book. A spokesperson for Javelin Group LLC, the literary agency Barrett listed as the source of the income, didn’t immediately return an email seeking comment.’ – source, businessinsider.com

    Buys one helluva lot of beer, eh Brett? Get quilling!

    “The place sounds like it’s imploding”: SCOTUS insiders spill more dirt as court hunts for leaker

    ‘In early May, a Supreme Court majority draft opinion on abortion was leaked to Politico revealing that the court is likely to overturn Roe v. Wade, the watershed 1973 ruling enshrining the constitutional right to abortion. Justices on the court immediately condemned the leak, calling it a grave breach of trust. Chief Justice John Roberts quickly launched an investigation into the matter, promising to hold the leaker accountable.
    However, one month later, the investigation has not identified any suspects and the court’s integrity is growing weaker by the day, according to NPR.

    One source told the outlet that “the place sounds like it’s imploding.” Another said, “I don’t know how on earth the court is going to finish up its work this term.’ -salon.com

    Bureaucrats. Influence peddlers. Incompetents all. Their opinions on how we should live carry as much weight now as… AJ’s. 😉

    DCSCA (3b6f2a)

  96. @94. Pfft. Keep singing off key; tone deafness worked for Barney Fife.

    DCSCA (3b6f2a)

  97. @78. So your justification for your fatuous “His paperwork; his responsibility” argument is that John Belushi is your North Star of SCOTUS administrative norms.

    And you expect to be taken seriously.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  98. Looks like a MI gubernatorial candidate has been arrested for breaking the law on Jan 6.

    Time123 (f61e06) — 6/9/2022 @ 10:28 am

    Have you abandoned the whole presumption of innocence thing or are you just fasting today?

    frosty (dcd693)

  99. And you expect to be taken seriously.

    lurker (cd7cd4) — 6/9/2022 @ 2:05 pm

    I think we’ve also learned that no, he does not. At least that’s the more reasonable conclusion from the comments.

    frosty (dcd693)

  100. @98, I didn’t say he was guilty, I stated the reason for the arrest.

    Time123 (f029d9)

  101. @98, I didn’t say he was guilty, I stated the reason for the arrest.

    Time123 (f029d9) — 6/9/2022 @ 3:19 pm

    By guilty do you mean convicted? That would fit.

    On the other hand “for breaking the law” doesn’t leave a lot of room for other options. If he’s not found guilty what was he arrested for?

    frosty (dcd693)

  102. “It used to a right to take a dump on the White House lawn….”

    Good news! They’ve expanded the right to drop that deuce to the Jimmy Kimmel Show!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  103. @97. Tagged and bagged. And you expect to be taken seriously. More likely, just taken.

    =mike-drop=

    DCSCA (68679e)

  104. @99. Translation-: no argument; no POV. Thanks for playin g. What do we have for him Johnny?

    ‘A newwwww Frigidaire!’

    DCSCA (68679e)

  105. Maybe that’s foolish and naive

    Believe that turn of phase has replaced ‘To Protect And Serve’ on Uvalde PD cruisers.

    DCSCA (68679e)

  106. If only Joey had worn Jill’s bikini and been jumping on trampolines behind Kimmel. Surely would have at least gotten a rise out of Hunter…

    Jimmy Kimmel Live! was the 441st most popular TV show online yesterday, Wednesday, June 8, 2022.

    https://televisionstats.com/s/jimmy-kimmel-live

    DCSCA (68679e)

  107. 18. whembly (3bda0a) — 6/8/2022 @ 2:38 pm

    California has one of the most restrictive gun control and red flag laws.

    There;s not that much of an overlap between people restricted from having guns and people who would commit crimes especially one-offs..

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  108. AOC Brags She Helped Stall Supreme Court Protection Bill After Man Tried to Murder Kavanaugh

    The bill passed the Senate last month, but has been stalled in the House despite calls for its passage in the wake of a man being arrested outside the home of Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh. The armed man told police he was there to kill Kavanaugh.

    Ocasio-Cortez posted a video of her running to stop the legislation from passing. According to her, lawmakers were trying to pass the bill on a “fly out” day when members of Congress return to their districts. These days, the congresswoman said, are filled with “maximum hijinks” from leadership in both major parties.

    “Fly out days are also days of maximum hijinks from party leadership, both Democratic and Republican Party leadership,” she explained.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  109. Looks like a MI gubernatorial candidate has been arrested for breaking the law on Jan 6.

    This is the same state where militia members are routinely arrested on terrorism charges. Later, they are acquitted of all charges.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  110. How did this guy board a plane in CA w/a pistol in his luggage and fly to Washington, DC when passengers w/travel kits full of shampoo and key chains w/pocket knives get stopped/searched or have their stuff confiscated…

    DCSCA (3a6743)

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