It Sure Looks Like Elon Musk Is About to Buy Twitter
Should be interesting.
Should be interesting.
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Step 1 – Fire the Board
Horatio (b1cfa2) — 4/25/2022 @ 9:19 amStep 2 – Fire Senior Management
Step 3 – Fire the entire team and management that decides what to allow or ban
Step 4 – Restore Trump’s account, and that of any conservative who has been banned
Step 5 – Take the Company private
Step 6 – Repeat with Disney
Good luck to him. Like Enron and Tesla, Twitter is worth only what people who buy its stock think it’s worth. Did you know that neither Tesla nor Twitter have ever paid a dividend to their shareholders?
nk (1d9030) — 4/25/2022 @ 9:41 amShould be interesting.
More like ‘out of this world.’ 😉
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 4/25/2022 @ 9:45 amIt should be interesting to see how an Elon Musk Twitter will cope with this:
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 4/25/2022 @ 9:49 amWill the more radical leftists at twitter sabotage the software to prevent revelationa of how they shadowban and manipulate tye public?
NJRob (02da8a) — 4/25/2022 @ 10:08 amBut they told me it would never happen! RIight here on this blog!
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 4/25/2022 @ 10:18 amIt should be interesting to see how an Elon Musk Twitter will cope with this
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 4/25/2022 @ 10:23 amAnd just wait until his
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 4/25/2022 @ 10:25 amSkynetStarlink service starts bypassing national firewalls.Rip,
Do you agree that such a regime as in #4 would be unconstitutional in the USA?
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 4/25/2022 @ 10:26 amUnder these terms of service, it would be banned in the US, since there are limits to freedom of speech here, such as obscenity, defamation, fraud, incitement, fighting words, true threats, and speech integral to criminal conduct.
Yes.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 4/25/2022 @ 10:50 amAlso child pornography is banned speech separate from obscenity, “because the advertising and sale of such materials is integral to the underlying criminal conduct of their production. Under (New York v. Ferber, 458 U.S. 747, 764 (1982)) , a prohibition on such materials must “be limited to works that visually depict sexual conduct by children below a specified age,” and the “category of ‘sexual conduct’ proscribed must also be suitably limited and described.”
Source
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 4/25/2022 @ 10:53 amI think this is an interesting development, but two things:
1) Don’t expect wholesale change to such degree that some on the right are advocating for… it’s going to be a long slog of a process to get to a point to Musk’s ideal state (whatever that means).
2) Conversely, this guy spearhead an online pmt scheme, electric car company, boring company and space company worth oodles of stacks of cash. So, don’t bet against Musk’s vision for Twitter.
OT: This succinctly reflects where I’m at with the FL vs. Disney ordeal:
whembly (7e0293) — 4/25/2022 @ 11:11 amhttps://wng.org/opinions/disney-crossed-a-line-1650888860
Remember the coach and his soccer team of boys that got trapped in a cave in Thailand?
Musk got all but hurt when the cave diver who helped rescue the kids was asked by a reporter what he thought of the idea and told the reporter:
Musk then went on to attack the guy on Twitter.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/17/business/elon-musk-sued-pedophilia-accusation.html
I don’t see how anyone who views twitter as a threat to free speech can think that Elon Musk buying twitter would change anything for the better. I am positive that Elon Musk will tolerate all criticism of himself and his vision, Tesla, and SpaceX on his social media platform.
purplehaze (848fb6) — 4/25/2022 @ 11:49 amUnder these terms of service, it would be banned in the US, since there are limits to freedom of speech here, such as obscenity, defamation, fraud, incitement, fighting words, true threats, and speech integral to criminal conduct.
There is no prior restraint for most of that. There may be repercussions on the speaker later, but there is no requirement that public fora block such speech (save perhaps the last one). And Section 230 would protect Twitter here, where it would be liable under the EU rules.
I’m sure that terms of service, along with an company policy forbidding use in the EU, could be written to frustrate the censors.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 4/25/2022 @ 11:54 amI would very much like to see these big internet companies turning off service in places where the State wants to prevent free expression. This whole “misinformation” thing is scary to me, as most rulers have a very clear idea of what “misinformation” is: anything contrary to their program.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 4/25/2022 @ 11:58 amDone deal:
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 4/25/2022 @ 12:00 pmThis, along with Starlink, is going to make those national firewalls creak.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 4/25/2022 @ 12:02 pmWhat’s going to happen to Trump’s Truth Social now?
nk (1d9030) — 4/25/2022 @ 12:07 pmThis is good news even for establishment corporate democrats. Banning is illiberal. More discourse is better Hunter biden’s laptop is not the same as pandemic misinformation.
asset (fedf25) — 4/25/2022 @ 12:13 pmWhat’s going to happen to Trump’s Truth Social now?
Ask Jeeves.
Oh. Wait…
The Art of the Deal: should Trump returns to the platform, simply merge ops w/Twitter for TBD stock trade; keep employees, serve Covfefe in break room. Or follow CNN-Plus to Oblivionville.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 4/25/2022 @ 12:22 pm@2
TSLA is currently trading for $985.00 a share, has a one trillion dollar market cap, and a lofty price to earnings ratio of 204.
it’s time to start loading up on TWTR
purplehaze (848fb6) — 4/25/2022 @ 12:23 pm$44 billion for Twitter.
Hamburger is still $6/lb.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 4/25/2022 @ 12:25 pmApril 15, 2022: Trump says he wouldn’t come back to ‘very boring’ Twitter if Elon Musk takes ownership and allows him back on
Former President Donald Trump said in an interview this week that he would have no interest in returning to Twitter even if it was bought by Elon Musk and his ban was lifted.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10722443/Trump-says-wouldnt-come-boring-Twitter-Elon-Musk-buys-allows-back.html
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 4/25/2022 @ 12:31 pmYeah, right. Trump cannot resist a megaphone.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 4/25/2022 @ 12:41 pmOver at du the snowflakes are ring their hands and crying that they are deleting their accounts. Oh! the humanity!
asset (fedf25) — 4/25/2022 @ 12:43 pmR.I.P. Jim Hartz, NBC News correspondent, former ‘Today Show’ anchor.
Among his assignments for NBC News, Hartz was close with several of the Apollo crews- particularly the Apollo 8 and Apollo 12 team crews- and contributed greatly to the clarity and understanding of reporting America’s manned space launches of that era and translating technical elements of the lunar flights into colloquial ‘Earth English.’ A great guy. Will never forget Hartz saying on air back in ’69 that as wonderous as the Apollo 11 moonwalk was- much more is to come in the later flights. He was so right.
Ad Astra, Jim.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 4/25/2022 @ 12:50 pmOne thing: If something is to be removed, stop demanding that the user agree or be banned. There has to be a middle ground.
The criteria for removal or attention to the tweets are secret but some people know it and manipulate it. That has to stop.
Statements that, shall we say, many people consider problematic can be disputed. There has to be freedom to disagree on medical issues just as there is on other things. People with presumed extra knowledge can be hired to participate, and not just one per forum, and their credibility will eventually be judged by what they say. By the way, transgender claims are a medical issue and that’s one of the problems..
Trump is a liar more than a conservative, but there are other liars. Trump was finally removed not for what he said but for what other people were interpreting his comments as saying (Saying he would not attend the inauguration was subjected to exegesis in which he meant people should disturb the inauguration. This should have been at most a temporary ban, hopefully with his agreement, until this stopped.)
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 4/25/2022 @ 1:02 pmhttps://www.wsj.com/articles/twitter-confirms-it-is-working-on-an-edit-button-11649237791
Right now the only way to edit, is to delete the tweet and replace it.
On blogs, often there is a 5 minute window or otherwise a note that a comment has been edited.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 4/25/2022 @ 1:10 pmI think reverse chronological order is a terrible thing. Maybe a split screen – last six or so, and forward chronological order from a specified point or the last tweet viewed.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 4/25/2022 @ 1:12 pmWhen will trump and the gang be back on twitter? Asking for mike lindell.
asset (fedf25) — 4/25/2022 @ 1:15 pmThis, along with Starlink, is going to make those national firewalls creak.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 4/25/2022 @ 12:02 pm
Assuming that they have Starlink satellite dishes.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 4/25/2022 @ 1:25 pm9. Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 4/25/2022 @ 10:26 am
From Margrethe Vestager, executive vice president of the European Commission, who has been a key figure in negotiating the proposed European Union Digital Services Act, as quoted about it in the New York Times
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 4/25/2022 @ 9:49 am
Should be legal. Interstate commerce, even if not paid for. People need to know what they are getting. If there is no system and it’s completely arbitrary that they can say that’s what it is, too.
Platforms keep their moderation criteria secret because they think that will prevent manipulation or complaints targeted at only some people. But insiders know. And often the criteria is number of complaints or complaints that use a certain word or words.
Who is to decide what is disinformation and what is dangerous?
Usually this means anything that disagrees with standard medical recommendations.
But medical recommendations are not guaranteed correct and difficulty in disputing maintains error.
If it can be made illegal to sell something in a store it can be made illegal to sell something online.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 4/25/2022 @ 1:28 pmTrump probably thinks that if he is let back on Twitter it will be a new account and he won’t be automatically re-united with his followers and his historic library of tweets won’t be available.
Also, he doesn’t want to have to watch himself (too much)
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 4/25/2022 @ 1:33 pmI imagine the Twitter “Truth Ckeckers” will be looking for work.
mg (8cbc69) — 4/25/2022 @ 2:04 pmOr are they referred to as content moderators?
mg (8cbc69) — 4/25/2022 @ 2:12 pm“Chekists”
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 4/25/2022 @ 2:50 pmHere’s the thing about Trump and Twitter: I have seen nearly every outrageous post Trump made on Twitter, but I never saw them ON Twitter. It was always in the form of “Oh, isn’t this terrible: ” shoved in my face by a broadcast.
If it was so terrible, and if Trump should be muted, then here’s a plan: Don’t repeat it to everyone. Let it only reach those who look for it, like God and Dorsey intended.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 4/25/2022 @ 2:54 pm@32: Sammy: How big a fine could the government assess for this “misinformation”? If they are going to insist that the platform stop misinformation, there has to be a penalty for not doing so.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 4/25/2022 @ 2:57 pmLeftists Worried Elon Musk Will Turn Twitter Into A Place Where Terrible People Post Bad Opinions And Fight With Each Other All The Time
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 4/25/2022 @ 3:04 pmDo not now nor ever will use Twitter. Spoiler alert: $44 billion ain’t exactly ‘free speech.’
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 4/25/2022 @ 3:10 pmFreedom of the press is guaranteed only to those who own one.
-A. J. Liebling
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 4/25/2022 @ 3:40 pmTwitter will never have the chance to curtail my free speech.
mg (8cbc69) — 4/25/2022 @ 3:44 pmMust on wokeness:
“At its heart wokeness is divisive, exclusionary, and hateful. It basically gives mean people… a shield to be mean and cruel, armored in false virtue.”
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 4/25/2022 @ 4:00 pmMusk. Damn spellcheck.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 4/25/2022 @ 4:00 pmAssuming that they have Starlink satellite dishes.
Give them a moment and you’ll just need a phone. The antennae are tiny above 10GHz.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 4/25/2022 @ 4:06 pmTSLA is currently trading for $985.00 a share, has a one trillion dollar market cap, and a lofty price to earnings ratio of 204.
I.e. a ridiculously overpriced Ponzi scheme wherein a bunch of suckers paid out a trillion dollars to make one dollar a year for every $204 they put in and they don’t even get the dollar.
nk (1d9030) — 4/25/2022 @ 4:18 pmAnd then people wonder where inflation comes from.
This is where it comes from, comrades. When the worth of your dollar is based on your country’s productivity and you spend it on something worthless*, the value of everybody’s dollar is diminished proportionately.
And, no, it does not have to be entirely worthless. Just of significantly less worth than what you paid for it.
nk (1d9030) — 4/25/2022 @ 4:24 pmHiltszik seems to be worried about hidden sockpuppets blasting Twitter users with vindictive posts.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 4/25/2022 @ 5:07 pmActually, I you spend YOUR dollar on something worthless, MY dollar becomes slightly more valuable as there is one less dollar around to buy stuff with.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 4/25/2022 @ 5:09 pmI condescended to read three words of Hiltzik’s article: “Free speech absolutism”. Do you know who else would call himself a free speech absolutist? Jed Rakoff, the judge who dismissed Sarah Palin’s suit against the New York Times.
nk (1d9030) — 4/25/2022 @ 5:13 pmHow Many People Use Twitter in 2022? [New Twitter Stats]
Twitter has just 8.85% of the world’s overall social media user base.
https://backlinko.com/twitter-users
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 4/25/2022 @ 5:22 pmThere’s a flip side to this “free speech” thing. Musk seems to want to authenticate all Twitter users, and not just to get rid of bots and spammers. If one’s nastygrams are tied to you as a person, perhaps there will be fewer of them. Everyone starts off “doxxed.”
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 4/25/2022 @ 6:14 pmExplosions in Moldova
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/25/world/europe/explosions-transnistria-moldova-ukraine.html
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 4/25/2022 @ 6:18 pmPersonally, I’ll probably join Twitter when my Tesla reaches 60,000 miles.
nk (1d9030) — 4/25/2022 @ 6:20 pmI don’t have a Tesla.
whats a tesla?
mg (8cbc69) — 4/25/2022 @ 7:36 pm“Twitter has just 8.85% of the world’s overall social media user base.”
Truly one of the most egregious monopolies of our time.
Davethulhu (da3c71) — 4/25/2022 @ 7:41 pm“There’s a flip side to this “free speech” thing. Musk seems to want to authenticate all Twitter users, and not just to get rid of bots and spammers. If one’s nastygrams are tied to you as a person, perhaps there will be fewer of them. Everyone starts off “doxxed.””
Musk says a lot of stuff that he never ends up acting on. My bet is that he makes a few changes and then gets bored and moves on.
Davethulhu (da3c71) — 4/25/2022 @ 7:52 pmMy bet is that the Left will say Musk’s changes go too far, the Right that they don’t go far enough. Each side will be outraged and aggrieved that the other is being inadequately punished.
lurker (cd7cd4) — 4/25/2022 @ 8:28 pmMusk says a lot of stuff that he never ends up acting on. My bet is that he makes a few changes and then gets bored and moves on.
My bet is that he does exactly what he says. Name 3 big things that he’s said he’d do that he hasn’t done and has “given up on.”
[several posse members have their hats shot off their heads]
(Unnamed) “That them shootin’?”
(John Cleese) “No, it’s coming from those rocks.”
(Unnamed) “Well, let’s go. He ain’t hittin’ nothin’.”
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(Unnamed) “Well, they ain’t out of our jurisdiction ’til they reach the flattop.”
(John Cleese) “Today, my jurisdiction ends here. Pick up my hat.”
–Silverado.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 4/25/2022 @ 11:13 pm“My bet is that he does exactly what he says. Name 3 big things that he’s said he’d do that he hasn’t done and has “given up on.””
This isn’t the argument I’m making. Elon overpromises and underdelivers.
Musk has been promising full self driving for 9 years now.
Davethulhu (da3c71) — 4/26/2022 @ 12:38 amElectric semi had promised delivery date of 2019, then 2021.
Similar for the Cybertruck.
Musk underestimates the time it takes to do thing, sure. That’s not the same as “Musk says a lot of stuff that he never ends up acting on.”
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 4/26/2022 @ 2:13 amPre-Musk: Twitter is a privately-owned social media platform that could permit or deny users according to their terms of service.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 4/26/2022 @ 6:35 amPost-Musk: Twitter is a privately-owned social media platform that could permit or deny users according to their terms of service.
Uh-uh!
Post-Musk: When the buck stops with Musk, it will be because he put it in his pocket.
nk (1d9030) — 4/26/2022 @ 10:05 amChina’s foreign ministry also insisted on Tuesday that there was no basis to suggest Beijing could try to use leverage over Tesla in order to influence content on Twitter.
Uh-huh.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 4/26/2022 @ 10:10 amThe mere fact that so many leftists are lamenting the possible loss of one cornerstone in their ideological monopoly of the Tech Trust, including dozens of Twitter employees, demonstrates that they actually were suppressing and shadow-banning anything that didn’t conform to their own side. The company actually had to lock the app to keep their drama-queen employees from sabotaging it, because they know how vindictive these maladapted geeks really are.
It’s also no coincidence that they and Bezos are echoing the same assertions about Twitter that radical leftist Sarah Jeong did in “The Internet of Garbage,” which is basically the how-to guide for justifying the censorship of wrongthink on social media.
Factory Working Orphan (354fea) — 4/26/2022 @ 10:46 amElon’s purchase of twitter has nothing to do with being anti-woke or free speech. It’s all about Elon.
https://www.mic.com/impact/elon-musk-build-back-better-tesla-subsidies
Elon Musk’s Unbelievably Simple 12-minute Killer Break Down on Climate Change
purplehaze (848fb6) — 4/26/2022 @ 12:09 pm
Given all the various assertions about Musk, I have to assume that he’s a political and intellectual platypus. No one person could have such divergent views as are attributed to him.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 4/26/2022 @ 12:45 pm@64. Rocketeer’s rocketears.
Thing is, the user base for this platform is the same chattering class clique barking back at each other; and it is a misnomer to label it the ‘public town square.’ It’s merely a platform for the lazy, particularly in the media biz, to go to for what they perceive to be the daily buzz over their Starbuck’s and has little consequence to the real world. Buying it for $44 billion is a waste of resources. How did the Republic survive before Twitter debuted in 2006, Elon? Oh, and how’s that move to Mars — Mars, Pennsylvania, that is– coming along??
Ask Jeeves.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 4/26/2022 @ 2:29 pm66. How long will it be before peole relize that the Ukraine war is coolling the planet?
The temperatire was 8 degrees below average in New York yesterday.
The climate cooling effect from fires (that is, conventional war, not even nuclear winter) is much more dramatic (although shorter term) than the temperature raising effect – and the most notable change is the increase in daily and weekly variability of both temperature and rainfall.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 4/26/2022 @ 4:10 pmhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2022/03/09/ukraine-cold-weather-russia-invasion
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 4/26/2022 @ 4:12 pmThis is NOT a coincidence.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 4/26/2022 @ 4:14 pmThe winter of 1944-5 was also bitter cold in Europe – and elsewhere.
https://www.fltimes.com/lifestyle/looking-back-the-cruelest-winter-1944-45/article_d19237ad-5638-5bea-bdca-21ea8f90ea9b.html
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 4/26/2022 @ 4:16 pmThere’s many a slip twixt the cup and the lip:
If he want it for his honey, he’ll have to find the money, and even that may not be enough if somebody else shows up with a better offer or the stockholders simply reject the sale.
nk (1d9030) — 4/26/2022 @ 4:24 pmhttps://redstate.com/nick-arama/2022/04/26/elon-skewers-the-liberal-meltdowns-and-the-suppression-of-the-hunter-biden-laptop-story-n556551
mg (8cbc69) — 4/26/2022 @ 4:50 pmlol
Musk needs to by Dominion.
mg (8cbc69) — 4/26/2022 @ 6:57 pmAnd McConnells chinese flu shipping company..
I’d like to see Musk buy California and fix it.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 4/26/2022 @ 10:29 pmWhen you did not know what “messianic” means but were afraid to ask. Well, Musk has the car anyway.
nk (1d9030) — 4/27/2022 @ 4:38 amPalmer Report
@PalmerReport
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14h
Twitter is a de facto monopoly, in the sense that it has no direct competitors of any real consequence (Facebook, Instagram, etc are different markets). America has long accepted that monopolies must be forcibly held to a higher moral standard than competitive markets.
And just like that, the one major platform their side doesn’t fully control is a “monopoly.” There’s nothing that these cretins spout that isn’t in the service of their own will to power.
Factory Working Orphan (2775f0) — 4/27/2022 @ 5:10 am“The Palmer Report is an American liberal[2] fake news website,[3] founded in 2016 by Bill Palmer.[4] It is known for making unsubstantiated or false claims,[5] producing hyperpartisan content,[6] and publishing conspiracy theories,[7][8] especially on matters relating to Donald Trump and Russia.[14] Fact-checkers have debunked numerous Palmer Report stories, and organizations including the Columbia Journalism Review and the German Marshall Fund have listed the site among biased websites or false content producers.[15][16]” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmer_Report
nk (1d9030) — 4/27/2022 @ 6:37 amIs it just me, or has anybody else noticed a lot fewer robocalls since Biden took office?
nk (1d9030) — 4/27/2022 @ 8:02 amIt’s just you, nk. You’ve got them scared now.
Appalled (1a17de) — 4/27/2022 @ 8:41 ammonopolies must be forcibly held to a higher moral standard than competitive markets.
And “free speech” is not a high moral standard, but well-regulated speech is? I am living in upside-down world.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 4/27/2022 @ 10:02 amIs it just me, or has anybody else noticed a lot fewer robocalls since Biden took office?
I have. Of course, I nuked the landline a while back, and put a spam block app on my phone. That might have something to do with it.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 4/27/2022 @ 10:04 amOT- Biden Administration charges $3.7 billion to Uncle Sam’s credit card for weapons and aid to Ukraine. At same time, Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin, who so poorly assessed and managed the Afghan debacle 9 months ago, denies Ukraine is a ‘proxy war.’
Idiot. Fire him. Now.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 4/27/2022 @ 1:32 pmStudy shows 92% of all tweets are sent by just 10% of Twitter accounts – and most are Democrats
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12949567/democrats-post-majority-tweets-study-twitter-users/
This platform is not a ‘public town square.’ Nor will it ever be.
$44 billion could have been put to better use, Master Musk.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 4/27/2022 @ 2:27 pmWasn’t it the Russian foreign minister who declared it was a proxy war?
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 4/27/2022 @ 2:44 pmIt all probably started because thre Babylon Bee was kicked off Twitter
Related:
https://www.foxnews.com/media/babylon-bee-skit-twitter-employees-flagged-sensitive-content
Sammy Finkelman (b434ee) — 4/29/2022 @ 6:52 am