WaPo Reporter Doxes Libs of TikTok Account Owner
Ed Morrissey’s headline says it all: Unreal: WaPo reporter claimed “severe PTSD” from Internet criticism — and then doxxed an anonymous Twitter user:
Remember this MSNBC segment on online harassment? MSNBC aired it less than two weeks ago. Washington Post tech reporter Taylor Lorenz claimed to have “severe PTSD” over online bullying and doxxing, which she claimed was aimed at her primarily because of her gender. Lorenz’ critics instead pointed to her long track record of targeting people for doxxing and generating cancel campaigns based on her biases and occasionally dishonest reporting:
“You feel like any little piece of information that gets out on you will be used by the worst people on the Internet to destroy your life,” Lorenz said while choking back tears, “and it’s so isolating.”
I felt a little sorry for Lorenz after that interview because she talked of thoughts of suicide, and such thoughts are awful no matter how unreasonable they might be.
But if Internet criticism causes her that much pain, she ought not be publishing stories like this — because it’s a reliable way to generate a storm of such criticism.
I just don’t understand why WaPo greenlighted a story like this. Or maybe I understand all too well.
Victim nose on, victim nose off
I wonder if anyone she has doxxed has felt suicidal
steveg (e81d76) — 4/19/2022 @ 9:11 amPrediction: Reporter is fired, but no editor is. She goes to work somewhere a little more woke. Nothing else changes.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 4/19/2022 @ 9:13 amI supported Trump, but realize he has failures and flaws, realize that some of the parodies and jokes were funny and some were both true and funny.
Humor moderates extremes.
It’s why totalitarians ban criticism and jokes
Someone should photoshop Lorenz’ face on to Elaine in this video
https://giphy.com/gifs/hulu-seinfeld-l0MYATH9ZumUHCBXy
steveg (e81d76) — 4/19/2022 @ 9:29 amThe harassment of female journalists is ugly and wrong, no matter the provocation. With that being said, however, when one willingly uses their prominent platform to dox private citizens and potentially ruin their lives, they should expect such treatment. People on Twitter (read the comments section of any prominent journalist) tend to be reckless a**holes who didn’t care about anyone but themselves and will say vile things about the individual they currently hate. But of course we know that they would never say such things if face to face with their target. But mostly, what gets me is that anyone who has had suicidal thoughts and can pinpoint precisely why they’re having them, where they’re coming from and what they are the result of would willingly choose to continue on the same path that leads to the darkness. Does Lorenz not have any family, or friends or support people around her to encourage her to leave Twitter because her mental health is worth far, far more than a few social media hits? This is insane. Can she not write her reports without doxxing others or doing to them what she is upset about people doing to her? Can she not tweet it out, or not refrain from putting anything of her personal life out there? I feel like she has unreasonable expectations from other people (those reckless a**holes) as well as unreasonable expectations of herself (that she won’t be targeted in response). She is her own worst enemy, and that includes her misjudgment of human nature (including her own).
Dana (5395f9) — 4/19/2022 @ 10:45 am“The harassment of female journalists is ugly and wrong, no matter the provocation.”
Is the harassment of journalists ugly and wrong, no matter the provocation?
It comes with the territory when being in your face provocative and if she has to hide behind her skirt then maybe she should be paid less than the guys that don’t have skirts to hide behind?
steveg (e81d76) — 4/19/2022 @ 11:00 amYeah, I have to agree here with steveg. To my mind, women who are part of the workforce should be treated as any other member of the workforce, just as men, Hispanics and people with unexpected pronouns are.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 4/19/2022 @ 11:10 amBut of course we know that they would never say such things if face to face with their target.
The “punch in the nose effect.”
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 4/19/2022 @ 11:11 amWhile I agree that all journalists should be treated the same (respectfully and without threat to themselves or their family members…), male journalists do not tend to receive threats of vile assaults of rape. And those kinds of threats, on top of family members being threatened, ratchets up the fear exponentially.
Dana (5395f9) — 4/19/2022 @ 11:15 amAh
But they do tend to…. buggery is a favorite theme, as is a mouthful of…
I believe when a person consistently disrespects others, they are more likely to be disrespected themselves.
Respect is earned, but yes some respect should be a given. Respect can be squandered and lost.
Life goes that way. We all learn it the hard way at some point.
Lonrenz throws red meat to her wolves, her wolves then threaten a woman with rape, death and suggestions that she kill herself but she’s above it because she is a woman journalist?
I’ve been in disrespectful exchanges were I’ve realized I’ve lost respect because of my own actions
steveg (e81d76) — 4/19/2022 @ 1:39 pmLibs of Ticktock is also throwing red meat to wolves, let’s not pretend otherwise.
Davethulhu (da3c71) — 4/19/2022 @ 3:08 pmLibs of Ticktock is also throwing red meat to wolves, let’s not pretend otherwise.
Davethulhu (da3c71) — 4/19/2022 @ 3:08 pm
Reposting videos voluntary uploaded by lunatics with various Cluster B personality disorders is hardly “red meat to wolves.” The only reason the videos get reposted is because the OP made them publicly available to begin with.
That’s quite a bit different from Lorenz getting the PII for the LibsofTikTok account holder AND that of her relatives, linking to her real estate license that contains her home address, and going to her relatives’ homes unannounced and uninvited to bother them about what the account holder is doing.
Lorenz doing this had nothing to do with journalism. Lorenz is a left-wing hack, and all it boils down to is that LibsofTikTok was embarrassing her political allies by doing nothing more than reposting their insane rants. So Lorenz published her personal information out of sheer spite, and went to her relatives to let them know that WaPo is capable of exposing and hurting them, too, if they don’t denounce her.
Factory Working Orphan (2775f0) — 4/19/2022 @ 5:26 pmThat a Magdalene may demand to be treated like a Madonna is a time-honored and enduring Western male conceit which I fully endorse and personally try to observe as best as I can. That this particular instance is lady vs. lady makes it easier. Any thoughts that involve bikinis and the question “Jell-O or mud?”, I quash ruthlessly.
nk (1d9030) — 4/19/2022 @ 5:42 pmDana, did you see how Megan McArdle responded to this issue?
Heartbreaking. I thought so much better of her.
I honestly think that social media leaches away humanity from people.
Simon Jester (017143) — 4/19/2022 @ 6:02 pmmale journalists do not tend to receive threats of vile assaults of rape.
The threats made by women against men are indeed different, but can be just as chilling. Only when we come to physical force do we get to inequity, but women also have people who will defend them in those circumstances, for that reason, before they know what when where how and why.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 4/19/2022 @ 6:49 pmI honestly think that social media leaches away humanity from people.
I think that the separation of the speaker and their subject is what defeats the normal circuit breakers. It’s not IRL, after all.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 4/19/2022 @ 6:51 pm“Reposting videos voluntary uploaded by lunatics with various Cluster B personality disorders is hardly “red meat to wolves.””
She doesn’t just repost videos. She also organizes her legion of mouth-breathers to send hate messages and attempt (occasionally successfully) to get them fired. There’s nothing noble or praiseworthy about her work, she’s a total POS.
Anyway, I’m sticking with Pophat’s take:
Davethulhu (da3c71) — 4/19/2022 @ 7:10 pmhttps://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1516423891853455376
Just a reminder it’s possible for everybody in a story to be awful
All three of these interweb children are in the wrong profession.
Personally know a genuine, female journalist who had her life threaten – for real- not with w/some goofy name calling crap posted on – and she kept on doing her job. Contrast these gadget kiddies with 39 year old Ben Hall, a genuine journalist w/Fox News, reporting from a war zone who was blown up, lost “half a leg on one side and a foot on the other” as well as hand, eye and hearing injuries while his two colleagues, cameraman Pierre Zakrevsky and producer Oleksandra Kurshynova were killed with these weepy, ‘they’re bullying me’ three.
Then peruse the list of genuine journalists who were under a real threat, from the most powerful man on Earth:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_list_of_Nixon%27s_political_opponents
Media
Jack Anderson, columnist, “Washington Merry-Go-Round”
Jim Bishop, author, columnist, King Features Syndicate
Thomas Braden, columnist, Los Angeles Times Syndicate
D.J.R. Bruckner, Los Angeles Times Syndicate
Marquis Childs, chief Washington correspondent, St. Louis Post-Dispatch
James Deakin, White House correspondent, St. Louis Post-Dispatch
James Doyle, Washington Star
Richard Dudman, St. Louis Post-Dispatch
Jules Duscha [sic], Washingtonian
William Eaton, Chicago Daily News
Rowland Evans Jr., syndicated columnist, Publishers-Hall Syndicate
Saul Friedmann, Knight Newspapers, syndicated columnist
Clayton Fritchey, syndicated columnist Washington correspondent. Harper’s Magazine
George Frazier, The Boston Globe
Lou Gordon, The Detroit News columnist and television talk show host
Katharine Graham, editor and publisher, The Washington Post
Pete Hamill, New York Post
Michael Harrington, author and journal member, executive committee of the Socialist Party of America
Sydney J. Harris, columnist, drama critic and writer of “Strictly Personal”, Publishers-Hall Syndicate
Robert Healy, The Boston Globe
William Hines, Jr., journalist. science education, Chicago Sun-Times
Stanley Karnow, foreign correspondent, The Washington Post
Ted Knap, syndicated columnist, New York Daily News
Erwin Knoll, The Progressive
Morton Kondracke, Chicago Sun-Times
Joseph Kraft, columnist, Publishers-Hall Syndicate
James Laird, The Philadelphia Inquirer
Max Lerner, syndicated columnist, New York Post: author, lecturer, professor (Brandeis University)
Stanley Levey, E.W. Scripps Company
Flora Lewis syndicated columnist on economics
Stuart Loory, Los Angeles Times
Mary McGrory, syndicated columnist
Frank Mankiewicz, syndicated columnist, Los Angeles Times
James Millstone, St. Louis Post-Dispatch
Martin Nolan, The Boston Globe
Ed Guthman, Los Angeles Times
Thomas O’Neill, The Baltimore Sun
John Pierson, The Wall Street Journal
William Prochnau, The Seattle Times
James Reston, The New York Times
Carl Rowan, columnist, Publishers-Hall Syndicate
Warren Unna, The Washington Post, National Educational Television
Harriet Van Horne, columnist, New York Post
Milton Viorst, reporter, author, writer
James Wechsler, New York Post
Tom Wicker, The New York Times
Garry Wills, syndicated columnist, author of Nixon Agonistes
The New York Times
The Washington Post
St. Louis Post-Dispatch
Robert Manning, editor, The Atlantic Monthly
John Osborne, The New Republic
Richard Rovere, The New Yorker
Robert Sherrill, The Nation
Paul Samuelson, Newsweek
Julian Goodman, chief executive officer, NBC
John Macy, Jr, president, Corporation for Public Broadcasting, former Civil Service Commission
Marvin Kalb, CBS
Daniel Schorr, CBS
Lem Tucker, NBC
Sander Vanocur, NBC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_list_of_Nixon%27s_political_opponents
Welcome to the world, kids. Grow a thick skin, suck it up or go back to being a bank teller.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 4/19/2022 @ 7:29 pmShe doesn’t just repost videos. She also organizes her legion of mouth-breathers to send hate messages and attempt (occasionally successfully) to get them fired. There’s nothing noble or praiseworthy about her work, she’s a total POS.
She’s not “organizing” anything. She’s reposting videos of people who are stupidly power-leveling themselves on their own social media TikTok accounts because they think their politics makes them untouchable and unaccountable.
Anyway, I’m sticking with Pophat’s take:
Just a reminder it’s possible for everybody in a story to be awful
Yeah, that’s why you only complained about one side here, and it just happened to be the one that’s not on your political team. No one’s buying that Jon Stewart-style “both sides are so extreme!” fake centrist pose.
Factory Working Orphan (2775f0) — 4/19/2022 @ 8:29 pmI’m seeing leftists like Matt Binder justify this by saying, “Well, all of this information was available online!” I recall The Journal News pulling a similar stunt with New York’s pistol permit holder list by filing for a public records act, and Gawker followed up by listing all of their names.
That sort of backfired on them when the Journal News reporters were subsequently doxxed themselves. I don’t think these Millennial “journalists” realize that the 1st Amendment isn’t a shield, likely because college J-schools are training them these days to be left-wing political activists and use the news medium to manufacture consensus, and because their side effectively runs the nation’s cultural and political institutions now. So they think they can go after their opponents with impunity and there won’t be any negative consequences.
This stuff isn’t exactly new or limited to the age of social media, either. In the early days of the Denver Post, the paper was notorious for using its reporters to dig up dirt on businesses and people with money, then blackmail them in to buying advertising in the paper or paying the Post off to not publish the material.
Journalists ultimately need to be trained to be more responsible with their reporting, but the current generations have been far too indulged at this point to make that happen. The relatively objective nature of the post-Depression/WW2 news era only came about due to the catalyst of an existential war taking place, forcing a lot of people to grow up fast and be accountable for their actions. Prior to that, newspapers were openly and proudly partisan, and it appears they’ve gone back to their long-time roots.
Factory Working Orphan (2775f0) — 4/19/2022 @ 8:57 pm“She’s not “organizing” anything.”
She literally boasts about getting people fired.
“She’s reposting videos of people who are stupidly power-leveling themselves on their own social media TikTok accounts because they think their politics makes them untouchable and unaccountable.”
What does this even mean? You’re ridiculous.
“Journalists ultimately need to be trained to be more responsible with their reporting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Tiller
Davethulhu (da3c71) — 4/19/2022 @ 10:00 pmJournalists ultimately need to be trained to be more responsible with their reporting, but the current generations have been far too indulged at this point to make that happen.
That’s the responsibility of the gatekeepers: the editor[s] and the publisher[s].
Exhibit A: Joe Biden. A generation ago reporters literally ran the idiot out of the primaries by exposing him w/his own deeds for what he is: a habitual plagiarist and serial liar. This cycle, he was given a pass by, as Halberstam called them, ‘The Powers That Be.’
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 4/19/2022 @ 10:42 pm“I’m seeing leftists like Matt Binder justify this by saying, “Well, all of this information was available online!””
She trademarked her account as a “news reporter service” and has consulted with the Florida government on anti-Trans legislation. If anything, the “doxxing” will elevate her brand, rather than endanger her like the people she exposes.
Davethulhu (da3c71) — 4/19/2022 @ 11:28 pmAnti-trans legislation? You mean the one about not badgering toddlers about sex? Horrors!
This is why the Left fails: it attempts to make ANY consideration of limits to their political reach unacceptable, so they end up defending the most 3extreme things. Sex education in kindergarten, 9th trimester elective abortion, homeless encampments in residential neighborhoods, unfettered immigration and government subsidy of same. And so forth.
And these position utterly poison more reasonable ones, to the point where all those in the center see are the extremists and the political axe swings.
I will admit that Trump’s folks tend to do the same thing, which is a problem.
Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 4/20/2022 @ 12:48 amAnd how come no one is investigating how Taylor got the personal info in order to dox the citizen performing a public service? Did someone at Twitter give it to her?
mg (8cbc69) — 4/20/2022 @ 2:47 amDavethulhu (da3c71) — 4/19/2022 @ 10:00 pm
I realize you think you’re making some kind of point with these whataboutisms, but you’re really not–sort of like the lunatics in those TikTok videos.
She trademarked her account as a “news reporter service” and has consulted with the Florida government on anti-Trans legislation. If anything, the “doxxing” will elevate her brand, rather than endanger her like the people she exposes.
Davethulhu (da3c71) — 4/19/2022 @ 11:28 pm
Thanks for proving my point.
Factory Working Orphan (2775f0) — 4/20/2022 @ 4:39 amKevin #15: I think that is it. It’s the Yelpification of Society.
Mind you, I appreciate anonymity (heh).
But as you imply, no one would speak that way in person to another individual.
Part of it is class based. Where and when I grew up, if you spoke that way to another person, a fight would ensue. So most people were pretty careful in person.
When I was in grad school, I met a postdoc who was openly contemptuous of me, face to face. I couldn’t understand it. These were fighting words. Was he that tough? He didn’t seem to be.
Then I saw it: where and when he grew up, he never had to defend himself…because of the whole upper class thing.
Sigh.
Sometimes, I wish dueling was still in fashion.
Simon Jester (017143) — 4/20/2022 @ 5:16 amSometimes, I wish dueling was still in fashion.
I thought you were a Larry Niven fan, Simon.
nk (1d9030) — 4/20/2022 @ 6:12 amIf the lady trademarked her account, she doxed herself. The owner of, and a “correspondence address” for, the trademark are required to be published information.
nk (1d9030) — 4/20/2022 @ 6:19 amMg,
Steven Crowder did some research into how this sociopath got the info. Look up his summary from yesterday.
This leftist sociopath is the same “reporter” that doxxed Pam Gellar’s kids for the crime of being Pam Gellar’s kids. That was especially nice since islamists were trying to murder their mom. Put a target on the girls backs.
NJRob (0248b2) — 4/20/2022 @ 8:15 am50 years in government: once a senator, always a senator:
“I didn’t really appreciate how the rest of the world looks to us as leader of the Free World.” – Squinty McStumblebum, 4/2/22
What does Delaware? Idaho… Alaska, eh, Joey?
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 4/20/2022 @ 1:54 pmIt’s true, nk, that I can speak the Heroes’ Tongue.
How much intelligence does it take to sneak up upon a leaf?
Simon Jester (017143) — 4/20/2022 @ 6:58 pmFrat boys playing dominance games. I had a brief experience with it myself in law school. And when you give them the sh!tting-on they’re asking for, you become the bad guy for making “the poor guy feel bad”. On the plus side, you find out who your friends are.
nk (1d9030) — 4/20/2022 @ 7:58 pm