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1/28/2022

Neil Young Pulls Music Off Spotify to Protest Joe Rogan Vaccine Misinformation

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 8:29 am



He beat polio as a kid. Go figure he’d be touchy about Rogan’s brand of anti-vax misinformation.

I listened to some Neil Young yesterday after being reminded of his existence. After the Gold Rush is a hell of an album. I had forgotten how good it is. Seriously, give it a spin. “I Believe in You” is my favorite track.

Looks like Barry Manilow might be following suit. Ain’t gonna listen to his stuff though.

UPDATE: Barry Manilow denies the rumor.

31 Responses to “Neil Young Pulls Music Off Spotify to Protest Joe Rogan Vaccine Misinformation”

  1. Is “Narry” Manilow meant as an insult or just as a typo?

    Nate (8f526f)

  2. The Decade album holds up pretty well. Bad timing, I just got all my family on board the group plan.

    Paul Montagu (5de684)

  3. “ok… bye neil”

    good on spotify

    it wouldn’t have ended with rogan

    JF (e1156d)

  4. Neil Young is an incredible songwriter, and I think he was most engaging, if not enigmatic member of CSN&Y. Young singing Helpless with the elegant harmonies of Joni Mitchell in the shadows is sublime.

    Young’s three kids were also afflicted by disease: His two sons were diagnosed with cerebral palsy and a daughter with epilepsy. It’s unsurprising that he would take the stand he has taken with a platform that allows the spread of vax misinformation.

    Dana (5395f9)

  5. every platform in existence allows the spread of misinformation, whether it’s about vaccines or anything else

    but i guess we’re at the point where attempts to ban and cancel others and toss aside the free market of discourse is “unsurprising” and we just need to be more understanding

    JF (e1156d)

  6. It’s better to burnout than to be forgot

    Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway (18e8bb)

  7. This will probably be a net gain for him. Publicity. It is probably a stunt

    Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway (18e8bb)

  8. The fact that some source is wrong at least about being infallible, or the best possible information (as proven sometimes by making changes half a year or more later) doesn’t mean that what anybody else says is reliable, or more likely to e correct. Most people in a position to be right when the CDC is wrong have an incentive not to volubly disagree.

    Sammy Finkelman (c49738)

  9. They put him over a channel I liked. Hopefully they’ll move him or otherwise return the channel to normal programing.

    frosty (f27e97)

  10. I fear a world policing “misinformation” far more than I fear the misinformation. Bad speech should be attacked with better speech, not censorship. Throughout history, the power to censor has been the power to control, and censorship rapidly becomes a method of promoting it’s own brand of misinformation.

    That being said, independent censorship by private actors is better than state censorship, but what I see these days is government “suggesting” to a concentrated (and concentrating) media oligarchy what they should not allow, so the difference is minimal at best.

    Kevin M (38e250)

  11. This is just an extension of the main problem.

    Kevin M (38e250)

  12. Neil Young didn’t pull his music. He doesn’t own his music.

    Spotify kicked him off because he told them to dump their highest performer. It would be like Sirrus kicking off Stern after they paid him to kickstart their satellite radio 20 years ago.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  13. I wouldn’t have pulled my music (if I had any) but an artist refusing to participate on a platform they disapprove of it’s hardly a new occurrence.

    Just a reminder, no one should list to Joe Rogan when it comes to medical advice, at least that’s what Joe Rogan tells us. His recent show where he and Jordan Peterson came within a few millimeters of the conclusion that race is a social construct was funny though.

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  14. G’bye, Neil. No one will miss you.

    I don’t understand why the left is freaking out about Rogan. Well, I do, but the hypocrisy is amazing. Should I invest in crypto – famous lefties like Matt Damon say it is a sure thing! But I don’t hear people trying to deplatform him for pushing a sketchy financial vehicle.

    I guess the main problem is the left’s insistence in infantilizing the American people. Whatever happened to…nuance. People can listen to a guy like Rogan and figure out for themselves what they believe and what they don’t. What they like and what they don’t like.

    Hoi Polloi (2f1acd)

  15. Southern man, alabama, ohio and rocking in the free world is what america’s all about. 6 in 10 republicans say they won’t vote for candidate who says biden won election. (yahoo news)

    asset (992975)

  16. https://www.newser.com/story/316222/scientists-rogan-podcast-now-spouting-climate-anti-science.html

    More critics are accusing the Spotify-exclusive Joe Rogan Experience podcast of sharing dangerous misinformation after Tuesday’s episode in which a guest spouted what one scientist calls a “word salad of nonsense” about climate science. Just days after 270 members of the US scientific and medical communities demanded Spotify address COVID-19 misinformation on the podcast, Canadian psychologist Jordan Peterson appeared as a guest, telling an estimated 11 million listeners that climate models get less reliable the further out you look, as with weather forecasts. “As you stretch out the models across time, the errors increase radically,” said Peterson, who is not an expert in this field.

    “And so maybe you can predict out a week or three weeks or a month or a year, but the farther out you predict, the more your model is in error,” he said. “And that’s a huge problem when you’re trying to model over 100 years because the errors compound just like interest.” Climate scientists immediately balked. “To say that climate model errors increase like compound interest is laughable,” John Abraham, a climate scientist at Minnesota’s University of St. Thomas, tells the Guardian.

    The only thing is, of course it is correct that climate models get worse the further out you go.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  17. The thing about climate is that what’s changing most is variability.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  18. Neil Young didn’t pull his music. He doesn’t own his music.

    It’s an interesting aspect to this story. Young sold a 50% interest in his catalog to a UK fund which invests in music rights allegedly for $150 million back in 2021, so this decision affects their business interests. But it sounds like Young retained the right in some sense or other to dictate where his music can be used and featured (for instance, it would appear he can veto commercial uses of his songs). This article quotes the fund’s manager as saying, “There will never be a ‘Burger Of Gold’ but we will work together to make sure everyone gets to hear them on Neil’s terms,” so that suggests Young still has the major say in how his music is distributed.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  19. Human errors compound over time and in times when it isn’t fashionable to admit there are any errors.
    What happens when the formula to smooth out errors was in error?

    On Young, I like his music, but he really should be boycotting the Kennedy family

    steveg (e81d76)

  20. I listened to some Neil Young yesterday after being reminded of his existence.

    ROFLMAO!!!! Honestly, haven’t laughed out loud like that in weeks.

    And remember, he was ‘popular’ when Hillary Rodham was a ‘Rockefeller Republican’ as a young Wellesley co-ed– before Pet Rocks, SX-70s, exploding Pintos, Senator Joe, the Betamax and the first moon landing.

    God, everything from the ‘American Century’ is getting as old as dirt. 😉

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  21. kneel young was for freedom before he was against it

    mg (8cbc69)

  22. apple shows heart of gold in taking over kneels jive

    mg (8cbc69)

  23. kneel and crazy horse on Everybody knows this is nowhere would be my favorite album by the canadian grifter

    mg (8cbc69)

  24. Climate scientists immediately balked. “To say that climate model errors increase like compound interest is laughable,” John Abraham, a climate scientist at Minnesota’s University of St. Thomas, tells the Guardian.

    The only thing is, of course it is correct that climate models get worse the further out you go.
    Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 1/28/2022 @ 1:30 pm

    This is one of those tricks were if Abraham’s is challenged he can say the errors don’t increase like compound interest and totally ignore that Peterson was being charitable. If they increased like compound interest they could be removed. The errors compound in ways far more complicated than that.

    frosty (f27e97)

  25. Neil Young didn’t pull his music. He doesn’t own his music.

    NJRob (eb56c3) — 1/28/2022 @ 10:20 am

    The important part is that he Doing Something and that you know about it. He’s not speaking out, or writing a song, against the G7 countries hording the vaccines and not delivering the amounts they promised to developing countries or the Gates Foundation making Oxford go back on it’s plans or the profits Pfizer is raking in but it’s important that you know he put his money where is mouth is, sort of.

    frosty (f27e97)

  26. UPDATE: Barry Manilow denies the rumor.

    Patterico (7e54d1)

  27. Joni Mitchell announced she is removing her music from Spotify:

    The legendary Joni Mitchell has announced she, too, will remove her music from Spotify because “Irresponsible people are spreading lies that are costing people their lives.” Mitchell says she is doing so “in solidarity” with her longtime friend, Neil Young, who requested his music be removed from the service because of Covid misinformation spread on Joe Rogan’s wildly popular Spotify podcast.

    Mitchell wrote in a post to her personal web site, “I’ve decided to remove all my music from Spotify. Irresponsible people are spreading lies that are costing people their lives. I stand in solidarity with Neil Young and the global scientific and medical communities on this issue.”

    Mitchell, like Neil Young, suffered from polio as a child.

    Dana (5395f9)

  28. Have not listened to Rogan in years, but he probably has more listeners in a day than old kneel has in his entire career.

    mg (8cbc69)

  29. mg (8cbc69) — 1/29/2022 @ 2:58 am

    Heh. I’ve been enjoying many of the comments lately, mg, particularly yours. If you and I were conversing at separate tables, I’d likely be eavesdropping.

    felipe (484255)

  30. Climate scientists immediately balked. “To say that climate model errors increase like compound interest is laughable,” John Abraham, a climate scientist at Minnesota’s University of St. Thomas, tells the Guardian.

    The only thing is, of course it is correct that climate models get worse the further out you go.
    Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 1/28/2022 @ 1:30 pm

    Theoretically, the error could be the other way. But over time, they’ve been erring on the side of high change. (not in CO2 levels, but on the weather)

    And what they’re missing is that the amount f=of water vapor in the atmosphere has been increasing, and that the effect of water vapor is to vary the weather more over any point on Earth.

    The effect of carnon dioxide is minor – what’s one or two degrees?, and is that even bad?

    More, when they talk about ow much CO2 has been added to the atmosphere that is over 150 years or more (although increasing) and the effect any year is tiny – still less is the effect of reducing the amount added. So you push whatever out six years? What have you accomplished?

    We have to predict and adapt anyway, and if you want to do some geo-engineering, the only thing that makes sense is countering the effect of CO2 and H2O with something else (hopefully reversible or temporary and needed to repeated every year so that if the calculations are wrong, or some nuclear bombs are exploded in the atmosphere – it’s hardly a sure thing that that won’t happen – or a giant volcano erupts, it is possible to backtrack)

    frosty (f27e97) — 1/28/2022 @ 3:03 pm

    This is one of those tricks were if Abraham’s is challenged he can say the errors don’t increase like compound interest and totally ignore that Peterson was being charitable. If they increased like compound interest they could be removed.

    No, because you have no idea what the error factor could be, so you can;t correct for it.

    The errors compound in ways far more complicated than that.

    They propose a tipping point. for no other reason than it should seem both urgent and barely possible to do anything about it. There’s total innumeracy in the advocacy on this. On purpose.

    Sammy Finkelman (c49738)


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