Weekend Open Thread
[guest post by Dana]
Hello. Here we go!
First news item
In June, the federal government announced it was issuing 70,000 emergency housing vouchers to help Americans displaced by the COVID-19 pandemic or other factors.
The federal Department of Housing and Urban Development said it was providing the emergency housing assistance—effectively cash for rent—“in order to assist individuals and families who are homeless, at risk of homelessness, fleeing, or attempting to flee, domestic violence, dating violence, sexual assault, stalking, or human trafficking, or were recently homeless or have a high risk of housing instability.”
When HUD issued the vouchers in June, Home Forward (formerly known as the Housing Authority of Portland) got 476 of them to use across Multnomah County.
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But WW has learned that since then, Home Forward has issued just 15 of the 476 vouchers the feds sent here.
That means just 3% of vouchers available locally have been put to work over the past six months.
Second news item
‘THIS IS A REAL F—ING PROBLEM’ — That’s how one vulnerable House Democrat summarized growing discord between members in battleground districts and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee…The complaints fall roughly into three categories.
1) BOTCHED MESSAGING
2) JAMMING THEM ON POLICY
3) FRUSTRATIONS WITH THE DCCC CHIEF
Third news item
VP KAMALA HARRIS told WSJ’s Tarini Parti in an interview Wednesday that she and the president have not talked about reelection in 2024: “I’m not going to talk about our conversations, but I will tell you this without any ambiguity: We do not talk about nor have we talked about reelection, because we haven’t completed our first year and we’re in the middle of a pandemic.” When she was asked about Biden running again in 2024, she said “I’ll be very honest: I don’t think about it, nor have we talked about it.”
Fourth news item
If it weren’t for the Democrats, this would have happened sooner:
The Uyghur Forced Labor Prevention Act cleared a final hurdle this afternoon, after the Senate unanimously passed the legislation. The White House said yesterday — for the first time ever — that President Biden will sign it into law.
The Uyghur bill will create a presumption that goods produced in Xinjiang were manufactured using forced labor; the Chinese Communist Party has facilitated the transfer of ethnic minorities to factories in the region and across China, where they produce textile products, polysilicon for solar panels, and certain agricultural goods.
Fifth news item
Think twice before donating to *Trump’s* Republican Party :
The Republican Party has agreed to pay up to $1.6 million in legal bills for former president Donald Trump to help him fight investigations into his business practices in New York, according to Republican National Committee members and others briefed on the decision.
The party’s executive committee overwhelmingly approved the payments at a meeting this summer in Nashville, according to four members and others with knowledge of the situation who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe a private meeting of the executive committee.
That means the GOP’s commitment to pay Trump’s personal legal expenses could be more than 10 times higher than previously known.
Last month, the GOP said in campaign-finance filings that it had paid Trump’s personal attorneys $121,670 in October. More payments have been made since then. A party official said Thursday that the RNC paid $578,000 in November to attorneys known to be representing both Trump and his businesses.
P.S. The report states that approval could be given to increase the amounts beyond the $1.6 million…
Sixth news item
New York reported 21,027 COVID cases on Friday, surpassing the previous single-day record from January as Omicron reaches across the state.
Why it matters: With the new variant appearing to spread more easily than previous COVID strains, the surge will likely be replicated around the country, Axios’ Caitlin Owens writes.
Details: New York Gov. Kathy Hochul (D), who announced the new record on Friday, also noted the state’s number of reported daily hospitalizations is on the rise.
7.98% of Friday’s 263,536 reported test results were positive.
93.9% of adult New Yorkers have had at least one vaccine dose, according to Hochul.
Seventh news item
Alongside a road that cuts through dense jungle, the first new U.S. Marine base in almost 70 years is emerging. Construction cranes are helping build training areas for urban warfare and live-weapons firing behind a perimeter topped with razor wire.
Marine Corps Base Camp Blaz, to be formally opened in a ceremony early next year, is the latest sign that Guam, a remote U.S. outpost in the Pacific Ocean, is becoming more crucial for military planners as they sharpen their focus on Asia, and tensions with China rise.
U.S. military officials say that the island, already home to Air Force and Navy bases, would be a major staging point for bombers, submarines and troops in any conflict involving the U.S. in the Pacific, including any clash over Taiwan if the U.S. were to become involved.
Eighth news item
Moving in the right direction:
The Biden administration unveiled a new strategy Friday using increased Covid-19 testing to keep children in the classroom.
The move comes as some school districts are once again going virtual in an attempt to avoid the worst of the omicron variant.
The strategy includes a “test to stay” approach: Instead of mandatory quarantines for unvaccinated students identified as close contacts of a Covid-positive peer, those students could remain in school if they test negative for the virus at least twice during the week after an exposure.
Ninth news item
No one should be surprised by this. He is what we’ve always known him to be:
jaw dropping.
Trump: "evangelical Christians love Israel more than the Jews" in the US
"it used to be that Israel had absolute power over Congress"
"the Jewish people…in the US either don't like Israel or don't care about Israel"
"they're Jewish people that run the NYT" https://t.co/oKkiyfLYxz
— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) December 17, 2021
Tenth news item
Yeah, about that woke problem:
We have a woke problem in America. I’m not talking about when we Black people agitate for racial justice. I’m talking about what happens when white liberals start agitating on our behalf. And what happens is nothing good.
“The most dangerous people for Black people are white liberals,” Cleveland Councilman Basheer Jones recently told me. “I would rather deal with a person who is openly racist but I can do business with them than deal with a person who says ‘I’m the best thing since sliced bread’ but never allows me the opportunity to grow economically.”
While these comments may seem surprising to people who only view politics as a red team vs. blue team exercise, Councilman Jones is one of a number of Black Democratic elected officials who are boldly calling out the vanity of performative wokeness and the excesses of white progressivism.
MISCELLANEOUS:
Bruce Springsteen…has reportedly sold the master recordings and publishing rights to the entirety of his music catalog to Sony for a whopping $500 million. The company now owns 20 of the iconic artist’s work, including famed works Born To Run, The River, and Born In The U.S.A.
According to BBC, these master recording deals provide financial security to the artists and their estates. The companies who obtain the rights have lots to gain through film and TV licensing, merchandise, cover versions, and performance royalties. Last year, Springsteen’s discography earned around $15 million in revenue.
Heh:
Following years of languishing at the local steel mill under low pay and frequent mistreatment, Grammy Award-winning musician Bruce Springsteen reportedly relished finally telling off his foreman Thursday after Sony purchased his masters and songwriting catalog for $500 million. “I tell you what, Lou, you’re a prick, you’ve always been a prick, and now that I’ve got some walking-around money, I’m finally getting out of this hellhole town,” said Springsteen to foreman Lou Martinelli, who folded his arms and scowled as the creative mind behind Greetings From Asbury Park, Nebraska, and Born To Run threw down his welder’s mask to the cheers of his fellow steelworkers and brandished the check for half a billion dollars. “You see this money here? Well, I’m done with you riding my ass every time I clock in or out. I told you I was going to make something of myself, didn’t I? Well, you never respected me, Lou, and now you’ll never see me again. Enjoy your miserable life, you son of a bitch.” At press time, Springsteen climbed into his Chevy Impala convertible with longtime girlfriend Rosalita Valdez, revved his engine, and tore out of town on Route 71.
Have a great weekend!
–Dana
Happy weekend, people!
Dana (5395f9) — 12/17/2021 @ 5:22 pmhttps://dailycaller.com/2021/12/17/john-kennedy-grills-anne-traum-judicial-court-nomination/
Another radical leftist that Biden is trying to put on the federal bench who won’t say that she’ll follow the law rather than let people off of criminal offenses due to social justice.
Asked the question several times and wouldn’t answer.
Such is the choice made on election day.
NJRob (49cc84) — 12/17/2021 @ 5:27 pmhttps://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/buzzfeed-nyc-holiday-party-becomes-a-covid-superspreader-event-several-employees-infected-insider/ar-AARTdjA
Everyone had their shots. Everyone tested beforehand.
Still multiple positives. So much to learn.
NJRob (49cc84) — 12/17/2021 @ 5:31 pmFifth news item
Think twice before donating to *Trump’s* Republican Party :
They’d give it to a Nigerian prince, anyway. A ____ and his _____ are soon ____ (fill in the blanks for five points).
Actually, paying Trump’s attorneys’ fees was part of the deal “Help, help me” Ronna McDaniel made in the summer when Trump
nk (1d9030) — 12/17/2021 @ 5:39 pmthrew a tantrum and threatened to run away from home and join the circusmade noises about splitting off from the GOP. I would have told him to not let the door hit him on his way out but I do not have the nurturing instincts of a Mormon mom I guess.New Study Provides Reassuring Data on Myocarditis Heart Condition After mRNA COVID Vaccination
A study published by The BMJ today (December 16, 2021) provides more reassuring data on the risk of heart inflammation (myocarditis or myopericarditis) after mRNA vaccination against the covid-19 virus.
It confirms previous reports of an increased risk after vaccination with BNT162b2 (Pfizer-BioNTech) and mRNA-1273 (Moderna) but shows that the absolute number of cases was low, even in younger age groups, providing further evidence to support the overall safety of mRNA vaccines for covid-19.
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……. [R]esearchers in Denmark used national healthcare data to look for links between mRNA vaccination and a hospital diagnosis of myocarditis or pericarditis, increased blood troponin levels (a measure of myocardial damage), and a hospital stay lasting more than 24 hours.
Their analyses included nearly 5 million Danish residents aged 12 years or older who received either the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccine.
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Overall, the results show a strong association between vaccination with Moderna and myocarditis or myopericarditis, while vaccination with Pfizer-BioNTech was only associated with an increased rate of myocarditis or myopericarditis among women.
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………[O]f 3,482,295 individuals vaccinated with Pfizer-BioNTech, 48 developed myocarditis or myopericarditis within 28 days of vaccination (an absolute rate of 1.4 per 100,000) compared with unvaccinated individuals.
Among women, the absolute rate was 1.3 per 100,000 and in men it was 1.5 per 100,000. Among 12-39 year olds, the absolute rate was 1.6 per 100,000, and in the youngest age group (12-17 year olds) it was only 1 per 100,000 within 28 days of receiving the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine.
Of 498,814 individuals vaccinated with Moderna, 21 developed myocarditis or myopericarditis within 28 days of vaccination (an absolute rate of 4.2 per 100,000) compared with unvaccinated individuals.
Among women, the absolute rate was 2 per 100,000 and in men it was 6.3 per 100,000. Among 12-39 year olds, the absolute rate was 5.7 per 100,000 within 28 days of receiving the Moderna vaccine.
Both vaccines were also associated with around a 50% reduced risk of cardiac arrest or death (the most severe manifestations of myocarditis or myopericarditis) compared with unvaccinated individuals.
In contrast, there was a 14-fold increased risk of cardiac arrest or death 28 days after a positive covid-19 test compared with uninfected individuals.
Rip Murdock (0a74c4) — 12/17/2021 @ 7:41 pm………
SARS-CoV-2 vaccination and myocarditis or myopericarditis: population based cohort study
Appeals court reinstates Biden’s vaccine policy for businesses, setting up a likely showdown at Supreme Court
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The ruling by the Ohio-based U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit was quickly appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court, which is likely to have the final say over the rules set to take effect Jan. 4.
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Friday’s 2-1 ruling backs the Biden administration’s authority to issue the emergency workplace directive through the Occupational Safety and Health Administration.
“The record establishes that COVID-19 has continued to spread, mutate, kill, and block the safe return of American workers to their jobs. To protect workers, OSHA can and must be able to respond to dangers as they evolve,” according to the opinion written by Judge Jane B. Stranch.
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……[T]he majority of the 6th Circuit panel said the cost of delaying the vaccination policy is potentially high and would harm the public interest.
The directive, they said, “is an important step in curtailing the transmission of a deadly virus that has killed over 800,000 people in the United States, brought our healthcare system to its knees, forced businesses to shut down for months on end, and cost hundreds of thousands of workers their jobs,” wrote Stranch, a nominee of President Barack Obama. She was joined by Judge Julia Smith Gibbons, a nominee of President George W. Bush.
The dissenting judge, Joan Larsen, said OSHA had exceeded its authority to regulate employers’ conduct and should have considered less sweeping alternatives.
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After the ruling Friday night, lawyers for the challengers quickly asked the Supreme Court to temporarily block the vaccination policy once again.
Separately, the Biden administration asked the Supreme Court on Thursday to allow it to fully enforce a nationwide requirement that health-care workers be vaccinated if they work at facilities participating in Medicare and Medicaid. Lower courts have suspended the policy after 24 states filed lawsuits. On Friday, the Supreme Court told challenging states to respond to the administration’s petition by Dec. 30, which would not leave the court much time for a decision.
Rip Murdock (0a74c4) — 12/17/2021 @ 7:54 pm………
I wonder if Harris talked to the WSJ about how Peggy Noonan kicked her to the curb. I bet she never noticed it, just like she’s never discussed the future with Biden. That last might be true, but not in any way she likes.
Noonan:
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/18/2021 @ 12:24 amSeparately, the Biden administration asked the Supreme Court on Thursday to allow it to fully enforce a nationwide requirement that health-care workers be vaccinated if they work at facilities participating in Medicare and Medicaid
This is reasonable. You take the King’s money and all that. They should have the option of quitting these jobs, and the facilities can always opt out of Medicare and Medicaid. Which they won’t do.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/18/2021 @ 12:26 amI know that people are all worried about Trump trying to bulldoze his way the the presidency in 2024, but I think they are missing what comes first. If there is the Red Wave that MJT and others insist is coming, the very first thing the new Congress will do is impeach Biden for The Steal. Why? Because it is the stupidest option on the table.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/18/2021 @ 12:30 am“The Boss”, as people with bad taste in music call him, said he would leave if Trump was elected. Liar.
mg (8cbc69) — 12/18/2021 @ 3:56 amAnother line from fanatics of the “The Boss” – “Oh you have to see him live”
mg (8cbc69) — 12/18/2021 @ 3:59 amNo thank you.
Deaths from COVID in the United States have passed 800 K.
The virus has had help.
Tucker Carlson finds the subject “boring”. Will he get interested again when the death toll toll in the United States hits one million?
(My only little daily tally of US deaths picked up the delta variant in July. I regret to day that recent numbers do not show a clear trend, though the average per day has been above 1,000 for three weeks.)
Jim Miller (edcec1) — 12/18/2021 @ 4:40 amSo in 1976, Howard The Duck has been drafted by the All Night Party to run for President against Ford and Carter. But that’s not important.
What set me to pondering was how a duck can have a drop-dead gorgeous 100% human girlfriend like Beverly Switzler. Well, my friends, as always, the answer can be found in Patterico’s Pontifications. In this case, the 12/17/2013 “Random Links” post by Patterico.
Yeah, you’ll have to click a link and read a little, too. I know it’s an imposition, sorry, but dem’s da rules.
nk (1d9030) — 12/18/2021 @ 6:14 am81 million of you voted for this:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aTPXxnAnsjc&feature=youtu.be
BuDuh (4a7846) — 12/18/2021 @ 6:38 amBiden talks to Xi and Putin, Harris talks to Charlemange tha Dog. That’s the way the Presidency and the Vice Presidency are supposed to work. Nothing unusual about it.
People who set a Presidential-height bar for Harris and criticize her for not clearing it are full of sh!t. They either do not know our Constitution and the way the government works under it, or they do know and are trying to fool us.
nk (1d9030) — 12/18/2021 @ 6:48 amThis was supposed to be in my 6:38am post:
The aides are running the place. LOL
BuDuh (4a7846) — 12/18/2021 @ 7:00 amWhy such angst about a singer/songwriter? It’s a great thing that an individual used his talents to write quite a cache of songs and sell them for a staggering sum of money. And it’s also just fun to see him lightly lampooned in a follow-up post. Why the need to be insulting and even angry about it? I’m not a big fan of Springsteen but I can appreciate his songwriting skills and the hard work he put into making his career be what it is. It doesn’t matter to me what his politics may or may not be, or whether he said he’d leave the country or not. Who cares. Also, given that he did the hard work and put in the time, commitment, and energy to become the success that he is, isn’t that something that is admirable to right-leaning folks? Or does that only count if their politics follow accordingly?
Dana (5395f9) — 12/18/2021 @ 7:32 amI suspect he will get interested again when a loved one becomes very ill or dies from Covid. But he won’t let his peeps know about it for obvious reasons.
There seems to be a casual dismissal of Covid by those who aren’t personally impacted. And worse, there is a sneering condescension toward those who are concerned and careful in their actions around others (especially if they have lost loved ones or simply want to do whatever they can to protect those around them). Go figure. Today’s compassionate conservatism in action I guess.
Dana (5395f9) — 12/18/2021 @ 7:39 amI think that certainly, they will try to do this. And it would get ugly fast. But I suspect-hope-suspect-hope that enough Republican lawmakers who have kept their heads down and mouths shut since January 6 for the sake of keeping the peace with constituents would no longer be able to, and would even be willing to risk it all to finally make their stand.
Dana (5395f9) — 12/18/2021 @ 7:44 amI think his point is that there seems to be a casual dismissal of prostate cancer by those who aren’t personally impacted.
BuDuh (4a7846) — 12/18/2021 @ 7:46 amIf this is Rick Perry, then he’s got some explaining about strategizing how to undermine the election:
Here’s the text sent before the election on Nov. 4, 2020:
Dana (5395f9) — 12/18/2021 @ 7:49 am@12 @18 Deaths from COVID in the United States have passed 800 K.
tucker should be more interested
most of those deaths are on biden’s ledger, who was gifted the vaccine
but folks here find the subject “boring”
JF (55d5fb) — 12/18/2021 @ 7:49 amBuDuh,
For a smart person, you sure seem to like to play dumb.
Dana (5395f9) — 12/18/2021 @ 7:50 amYou fell for the Newsweek clip of the full quote, Dana.
Tucker’s complaint was about people talking “incessantly” about Covid and not discussing anything else.
I am pretty dumb, but I at least know to double check anything Jim posts.
BuDuh (4a7846) — 12/18/2021 @ 7:57 amThat came out wrong. I am not implying that you are dumb, Dana. I think you are very intelligent. I was trying to make a clever play off of your comment.
No insult was intended. I apologize.
BuDuh (4a7846) — 12/18/2021 @ 7:59 amanother subject that’s “boring”
Nation’s capital becomes safe haven for illegals; new DHS rules expand no-go zones for ICE arrests
this is called the insurrection long game
rule of law my a$$
JF (55d5fb) — 12/18/2021 @ 8:00 amhttps://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635/rr-80
There is a glitch in the Matrix and it’s causing doubts in our “fact checkers.”
NJRob (e30623) — 12/18/2021 @ 8:01 amI think Tucker Carlson’s point is that he does not have half a billion dollars’ worth of music to cash in for his retirement, so he’s got to hold on to his four and a half million of Darwin’s stragglers a little bit longer.
nk (1d9030) — 12/18/2021 @ 8:02 amForgive the length of this comment, but I wanted to get the Get Back documentary off my chest.
I instantly became a Beatles fan when I was 6 or 7 when I heard Help! for the first time in my sister’s car on a summer day in the Willamette Valley. She left me some Beatles albums after she went to college and, by the time I was eleven, I had them all. I’m still bummed that they broke up.
Anyways, I just saw the whole Get Back documentary by Peter Jackson, and it was really good to this longtime Beatles fan. Some random observations in no particular order (spoiler alert).
One, I thought the conflict was between John and Paul, but it was really between George and Paul. They either didn’t like each other or George was really frustrated with Paul. John and Paul had a couple of intense conversations but they worked and interacted well. You could tell they liked and respected each other. They had a nice dynamic in working things out musically, to see their creative process.
Two, when Paul was somewhere else, John and George also worked and interacted well. George wanted a larger role and wanted more of his songs in there. George also mentioned doing his own album while staying with the Beatles and then contributing tunes that “had more Beatles in them” or such. Alas, that that didn’t happen.
Three, this is a small segue but I also saw the Go-Go’s documentary and the girls mentioned the differences in their paychecks, the primary difference being that the songwriters got the most money, by a lot. I wonder if things would’ve gone differently if the Lennon-McCartney partnership were expanded to a Lennon-McCartney-Harrison triad. George may have gotten the Kwan that he obviously wanted, and he would’ve some skin in the venture.
Four, their biggest mistake, IMO, was their decision to self-manage after Brian Epstein died. They needed a manager to give them a little structure and direction. Given the musical brilliance they created in Get Back, they’ve could’ve worked a couple months, writing new music and playing a few gigs, then taken off the other ten months to enjoy life.
Five, they kept referring to The Beatles, and it finally came to me that they were talking about the White Album. They never called it the White Album.
Six, when Paul referred to Rich or Richie, I finally realized he was talking to Ringo, aka Richard Starkey. Ringo was quiet and professional throughout, a band member but not the inner circle. In the band but not of the band, to paraphrase use some Covid denialist mantra.
Seven, Paul’s instincts were spot on, wanting to have footage of all that they were doing. He was onto something because this was truly the first reality TV before it was a thing. It was way ahead of its time, except Get Back was more real than any other reality TV I’ve seen.
Eight, Paul was trying to drive the bus in the first episode in their sessions at Twickenham, but John was the band’s true and natural leader, and Paul knew that. Unfortunately, John was really passive and quiet in that episode. I couldn’t tell if he was too stoned, or was uncomfortable with the cameras, or didn’t like the venue, or was burned out, or was ready to move on to the next stage of his life with Yoko. Whatever it was, and without a manager, Paul felt that he had to take on the reins, and that really chafed with George.
Nine, maybe one of the reasons Paul wanted to bring the band into this project was that he was bursting with new material. He was at the very top of his game, and he had grown into a phenomenal musician/songwriter. He wanted the band to continue, perhaps because he knew the Beatles were the best vehicle for bringing his best music out of him. You could see the emotion on his face, that this was going to end, that there was an uncertainty to his future.
Ten, going into the movie, I thought that it was just about the Let It Be album, but they had developed most of Abbey Road in the movie as well. Far as I could tell, the only Abbey Road tunes I didn’t hear was Come Together, The End and Here Comes the Sun. Basically, they developed an exceptional double-album in around four weeks time.
Eleven, I’m not sure how or why, but John came out of his shell in the second episode, and you could really see the other part of his personality. He had a fast, brilliant wit. One of the funniest scenes was Paul and John playing Two Of Us without moving their mouths or lips, and John had this hilarious look on his face. Maybe we saw all of John in both episodes, that he was quiet, passive and pensive but could also be engaged and funny and energetic and goofy.
Twelve, they played a broad range of songs in the film, many of them not their own, from Chuck Berry to Hank Williams and so forth, and they played them all well. They were marvelous musicians, a marvelous band. They could pick up just about anything and jam together and it sounded good. And they enjoyed playing, and playing together.
Thirteen, it was really cool to see how Billy Preston came on to the scene and how the band welcomed him. They also really needed a keyboardist, and it was a perfect fit. You could tell from his expressions and mannerisms that this was one of the best moments of Preston’s life.
Fourteen, if there was a moment in the film when John and Yoko were not together, I didn’t see it. John was all in with her.
Fifteen, I never ever want to see or hear Yoko sing, ever again. If I do hear her voice again, somebody kill me.
Sixteen, in 1969 they were still young. John and Ringo were 29, Paul was 27 and George was 26. George joined the band when he was 13 so, at that time, he was a Beatle for literally half his life.
Seventeen, I couldn’t help but notice how George praised Eric Clapton, as if he were suggesting a replacement for him. Would’ve been nice.
Eighteen, it was unfortunate that there were so many mentions of “divorce” in the movie and no mentions of “sabbatical”. By coming together as a band, they truly caught lightning in a bottle in how they developed their music and it’s unfortunate that this songwriting collaboration could only last six or seven years (Meet the Beatles came out in January 1964 and their final gig was December 30, 1969).
And now back to arguing politics. Thank you.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 12/18/2021 @ 8:03 amIt is very boring, JF.
Here is Biden in 2020 telling the American People that anyone responsible for 200,000 deaths should not be President. He concludes by saying that he will end the pandemic:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ce9_pVL37nw
BuDuh (4a7846) — 12/18/2021 @ 8:05 amWe are talking about Covid here, so I’m not sure who thinks it’s “boring,” other than Tucker Carlson and maybe you.
Carlson said:
Lovely.
BTW, Carlson should compare deaths from Covid versus deaths from prostate cancer in the same period of time…
What a chump.
Dana (5395f9) — 12/18/2021 @ 8:13 amYour partial quote at least captures this:
I applaud that.
Here is the full quote, where he hammers home the actual point, if you would like to transcribe the rest of what Tucker said:
https://mobile.twitter.com/Acyn/status/1471655330232745985
BuDuh (4a7846) — 12/18/2021 @ 8:21 amI missed inserting an ellipsis, but it is obvious where it would go in my quote.
BuDuh (4a7846) — 12/18/2021 @ 8:24 ammy neighbor got back from a car trip to mexico the other day
he brought his passports and vaccine cards
cuz there’s this zero tolerance policy the administration has regarding international travel
on the way back he hands over everything at the border checkpoint, but the border agent looks perturbed
“don’t need these”, as he hands back the vaccine cards
meanwhile, i and others who work for a large private company that does some federal contracting work will be fired if we don’t prove our vaccination status
and, then there’s the illegals who are given a pass
this administration and its defenders are a complete joke
JF (55d5fb) — 12/18/2021 @ 8:34 amPaul Montagu (5de684) — 12/18/2021 @ 8:03 am
Thank you for this comment, Paul. I too, am a Beatles fan.
felipe (484255) — 12/18/2021 @ 8:43 amJF thinks that the President should have the power to keep American citizens from coming back home from a foreign country if they’re not vaccinated.
nk (1d9030) — 12/18/2021 @ 8:47 amShe likes shows with “god” in their names.
BuDuh (4a7846) — 12/18/2021 @ 8:52 amDo you know anyone who talks about COVID “nonstop”? Can you even imagine anyone talking about COVID “nonstop”? I can’t. (A person wouldn’t be able to function if they talked about any subject “nonstop”.)
So, what Tucker Carlson was saying is that we should talk about COVID less, and avoid those who want to talk about COVID more.
Which is understandable from his point of view, since what he has said about the disease has often made him look callous and foolish.
Jim Miller (edcec1) — 12/18/2021 @ 9:01 amI thought for sure you were going to post another “interesting” set of Covid data, Jim.
BuDuh (4a7846) — 12/18/2021 @ 9:22 am@36 nk no entiende inglés
JF (55d5fb) — 12/18/2021 @ 9:23 am@17
Fred (25e171) — 12/18/2021 @ 9:31 amI’m a big Springsteen fan. That song “Independence Day” really gets me because I know my father truly loved me, and I truly loved him; yet there were irreconcilable differences between us, and this song expresses that in a very poignant way. However, I know that my emotions are not the only valid way of looking at the world. To those that dislike Bruce, what music do you recommend? I’m willing to learn more.
“Jake Tapper @jaketapper
jaw dropping.”
Memo to Jake: opinionators are not journalists.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/18/2021 @ 9:36 amhttps://dailycaller.com/2021/12/16/california-teachers-accused-of-carrying-out-clandestine-transition-lgbtq/
California teachers that need to be immediately fired and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 12/18/2021 @ 9:39 amI never understood why the MLB changed the strike zone but kept the basketball hoop at ten feet either, JF. Maybe you could explain it to me?
Along with how the President of the United States — no, not of Russia, of the United States — can have the power to keep American citizens out of their country for not being vaccinated the same as he has the power to mandate vaccinations for federal contractor workplaces?
nk (1d9030) — 12/18/2021 @ 9:43 amhttps://nypost.com/2021/12/14/facebook-admits-the-truth-fact-checks-are-really-just-lefty-opinion/
They admit they are nothing more than leftists trying to control opinion in the public square.
Modern day Soviets.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 12/18/2021 @ 9:46 amThere’s some schizophrenia in the right wing today. People who claim to be deeply committed to religious values and appalled by liberal secularism — and opposed to the libertarianism that supposedly dominated the GOP until 2016 — have openly advocated selfishness regarding the health and life of one’s neighbors. They sound worse than full-on libertarians, because an actual philosophical libertarian would probably talk about the individual’s moral responsibility to avoid doing harm to others.
But as long as Democrats and “RINOs” are concerned about trying to get the pandemic under control, then the self-described conservatives must take the opposite view.
Radegunda (7a5c8e) — 12/18/2021 @ 9:49 amWorth reading: Anne Applebaum’s article, “The Kleptocrats Next Door”.
Applebaum describes how kleptocrats have been buying American properties, in order to launder their stolen money. With, often, bad results for American communities. Here’s how she begins:
This is an example of a more general point that I have been making for some years: Corrupt individuals don’t stop being corrupt, when they move their operations from a corrupt place (e. g. Russia) to a place where corruption is unusual.
And so, when we tolerate money laundering, we risk spreading corruption, here.
Jim Miller (edcec1) — 12/18/2021 @ 9:51 amLike Omar Khayyam probably never said, Radegunda, “You don’t sell sand to smart Saharans”. It explains Fox and it explains Trump.
nk (1d9030) — 12/18/2021 @ 9:56 amFred @41, since you asked:
“Because The Night” by Patti Smith
“Blinded By The Light” by Manfred Mann
“Fire” by The Pointer Sisters
(Do you need a smiley emoji?)
I will not claim that I’m a big fan of Springsteen, but I am of his music. Everything up to 1984 and some of the later ones. As for his concerts, I even have some on vinyl (33 1/3), but I like him best as a solitary pleasure.
nk (1d9030) — 12/18/2021 @ 10:18 amThe virus has had help.
To be fair, Biden has had help from a vaccine that Trump never had access to, and has yet to do as well as Trump in controlling the deaths. But blaming other people is always best, eh?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/18/2021 @ 10:19 amPeople who set a Presidential-height bar for Harris and criticize her for not clearing it are full of sh!t.
Yes, but Harris is failing the VP-height bar. Quayle was a far better VP. This is more worrisome with a president at death’s door than it would be with a president in his sixties.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/18/2021 @ 10:27 amFred @ 41,
I like a lot of Springsteen’s writing. I think he’s a great storyteller whose songs often are a reflective narrative of someone lost in their life, full of yearning, hopelessly in love, or gripped by a wanderlust that just won’t let them go. I don’t think he’s at the same level as Tom Waits, Leonard Cohen, or Joni Mitchell because that’s rarified air indeed. But he is indeed a great storyteller. I can understand why that particular song resonates with you so much. And it’s lovely that it does.
Dana (5395f9) — 12/18/2021 @ 10:33 amGood song, Independence Day, but I like Adam Raised a Cain better, which is also about the father-son relationship, and it flat out rocks.
I wasn’t going to link to Jonah’s piece yesterday, but then I saw the phrase “political homunculus” in describing Kevin McCarthy.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 12/18/2021 @ 10:48 amIt’s pretty clever of Trumpers to refuse to get vaccinated and rebel against all other mitigation efforts so they can keep the death numbers high, and then all the Trumpers who haven’t died can blame Biden. Because owning the libs is more important to Trumpers than protecting life and health.
The data show clearly:
1. The unvaccinated are much more likely to die of Covid.
2. Republicans and especially Trump fans are far more likely to refuse vaccination than Democrats or independents.
3. Geographical areas that voted heavily for Trump show substantially higher death rates than places that voted for Biden.
Trumpy politicians like DeSantis are actively blocking employers from trying to protect their workers and customers.
One Trumpy writer for The Federalist wrote that Christians shouldn’t be afraid to die of Covid, because death is a good for Christians.
When Trump was deathly sick, he received an intensive and costly therapeutic regimen that no one else would have gotten — and then he pretended to be Superman and told everyone “Don’t worry about Covid” while less fortunate people were still dying of it.
It’s overwhelmingly Trump voters who care the least about trying to stop Covid deaths. So what measures do you suggest that Biden should apply to compel them all to cooperate in getting on top of the pandemic?
What could the Biden administration conceivably do that wouldn’t have Trumpers screeching about communist tyranny?
Radegunda (7a5c8e) — 12/18/2021 @ 11:03 amRadegunda,
your remarks don’t make any sense. Look at all the pro sports leagues that are “fully vaccinated” and having outbreaks left and right. Look at all the leftist parties that are superspreader events.
The shots might work on a case to case basis, but they don’t stop the spread of the virus and they don’t stop people from getting the virus.
So your trolling of “Trumpers” is noted, but not well received.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 12/18/2021 @ 11:08 amSo, here’s the thing: Because people, including Christians – not the nutty kind that happily interchange Trump for Jesus – are concerned about protecting themselves and their neighbor from Covid does not make them afraid of dying – from Covid or anything else. It is a “love your neighbor” action to get vaccinated and observe health safety protocols. It is selfish and anything but Christlike to only think about yourself and not make an effort to protect those around you.
I have a loved one who got Covid, and then had the monoclonal antibodies and got better. He also thinks he’s physically superior to many others because he pushed Covid back, and that only unhealthy people are impacted by Covid to any degree. Very judgemental and arrogant. Of course, he also sees himself as a paragon of Christianity too…
Dana (5395f9) — 12/18/2021 @ 11:23 amRepublicans and especially Trump fans are far more likely to refuse vaccination than Democrats or independents.
I disagree with “far.” There are a lot of others: alternative medicine/temple-of-my-body people, actual anti-vaxxers, people fearful of needles, people who think that the vaccines are too dangerous, children, the immortal young, the lazy and the endless procrastinators.
Again, it is easy to cast blame and the Trumpies set themselves up for a target by being so effing loud, but they are probably not even the majority of the unvaccinated.
In polls they may be an outsized percentage, but people lie and a lying vaccinated Trumper would say they are not vaccinated, while everyone else who lies would say they are vaccinated.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/18/2021 @ 11:25 amGeographical areas that voted heavily for Trump show substantially higher death rates than places that voted for Biden.
There is almost no correlation between deaths and any category of belief. NY State has among the highest rates and Alaska among the lowest. There are so many factors involved that anyone who tries to tie them to any one thing is a fool or a scoundrel. “Nearness to airports” is probably a better metric, among many bad ones.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/18/2021 @ 11:28 amNJRob, — I was responding to a comment that blamed Biden for not “controlling the deaths.” It is amply demonstrated by data that vaccination makes a huge difference in death rates and hospitalization rates. It is also amply demonstrated that Trumpers are more adamantly resistant to getting vaccinated than non-Trumpers.
What makes no sense is claiming that the death rates are all Biden’s fault and not at all the fault of the people who refuse to take the most effective measures we have to prevent death and reduce the rate of the virus spread, or the people who got vaccinated themselves but find that promoting vax resistance is good for their own bottom line or political prospects.
It also makes no sense to claim that because the virus is still spreading even though we have vaccines, therefore the vaccines are worthless and there’s no point in doing anything to mitigate the spread. After all, “blaming other people is always best, eh?” (Which was a deeply ironic comment coming from someone blaming Biden for the consequences of other people’s refusal to get vaccinated.)
Here’s the question I had for Kevin again: If it’s Biden’s fault that people are still dying of Covid, what should he be doing about it that wouldn’t cause all the Trumpers to flip out in rage?
Radegunda (7a5c8e) — 12/18/2021 @ 11:45 amSo what measures do you suggest that Biden should apply to compel them all to cooperate in getting on top of the pandemic?
Well, calling them stupid and then trying to fire them from their jobs does not seem to be working. While I think that medical workers (and some others like rest home workers) need to be vaccinated, the way that Biden is going about it — full-on top-down Statism — is almost certain not to work.
I’ll turn this around. Suppose that Trump had won and folks like Kamala Harris were going on about how the vaccine was untested and the press was backing her play with story after story about blood clots. How would you bring the recalcitrant progressives to the vaccine?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/18/2021 @ 11:50 amI was responding to a comment that blamed Biden for not “controlling the deaths.” It is amply demonstrated by data that vaccination makes a huge difference in death rates and hospitalization rates. It is also amply demonstrated that Trumpers are more adamantly resistant to getting vaccinated than non-Trumpers.
And apparently missing my point that Trump did better WITH NO VACCINE. You cannot blame the unvaccinated for making things worse than when there was no vaccine for anyone.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/18/2021 @ 11:52 amI also wasn’t trolling “Trumpers,” though I’ve duly noted that your feelings were hurt.
Kevin’s claim was that Biden has done no better than Trump at “controlling the deaths.” I have noticed that Trumpers are very happy to pretend that it’s a great failure on the part of Biden — even though it’s Trump fans who have been the most resistant to any and all mitigation efforts from the beginning, and the most overtly unconcerned about how other people might be affected by their unconcern.
So it is a partisan issue — and it didn’t have to be.
Radegunda (7a5c8e) — 12/18/2021 @ 11:52 am“compel them all to cooperate”
Did you read that before you posted it?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/18/2021 @ 11:54 amWell, who would have suspected that a sparsely populated place would have lower rates of virus spead than a densely populated place?
I’ve seen a number of graphs demonstrating a striking correlation between death rates and voting patterns, and between actual vaccination rates and voting pattern.
There’s also plenty of polling data showing Trumpers to be the political category most likely to refuse vaccination — which isn’t surprising given that they are also most vocally against vaccination. So are they all acting like Fox personalities and just trying to own the libs by saying in public and in private that they’re anti-vax? Even when the statistical correlations about vaccination indicate that they’re actually less likely to be vaccinated?
At some point, the most obvious data points and correlations need to be reckoned with.
Radegunda (7a5c8e) — 12/18/2021 @ 12:01 pmAt this point, I would not do anything at all, directly. Biden has made it hard for people who don’t like him to give in to the obvious and get vaccinated. Nobody responds well to bullying.
1) I would require medical offices and institutions to post, on each door, the percentage of patient-contact staff that is vaccinated.
2) I would have long since set up a common vaccination proof system, while making it unlawful for any government to use it to discriminate. People, of course, have a right to be choosy.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/18/2021 @ 12:02 pmWell, who would have suspected that a sparsely populated place would have lower rates of virus spead than a densely populated place?
Indeed. Which is why I have such an issue with people who think that, in a system with 100s of factors, some one statistic — that they want to grind an axe with — is particularly meaningful.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/18/2021 @ 12:05 pmThere’s also plenty of polling data showing Trumpers to be the political category most likely to refuse vaccination
Polling data on highly-charged litmus-test subjects is almost always biased towards the litmus-test answers. Of the people I know who don’t want the vaccine, only one is a Trumper. Most say something like “I’ve already had Covid and i don’t need the vaccine.”
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/18/2021 @ 12:09 pmStill with the silly strawman “stop the spread” argument. The experts have said reduce, not stop, which is true. Also true is that you’re 14 times more likely to die from it you’re un-vaxxed.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 12/18/2021 @ 12:10 pmHe doesn’t find it boring. He finds that saying it is helps fuel outrage in his audience and that helps him sell add time.
We talk about Covid because the public policy around the response is contested, passionately so. We don’t have the same level of attention on heart diseases/cancer/auto deaths because there isn’t much disagreement about the public policy to address those. Tucker knows that, but seems to think his audience is dumb enough to find his question somehow pertinent.
Time123 (9f42ee) — 12/18/2021 @ 12:13 pm@Kevin, there’s plenty of other data around numbers of vaccinations by county that make this polling data very plausible.
Time123 (9f42ee) — 12/18/2021 @ 12:14 pmHere’s a link to excellent analysis showing a strong correlation between covid death rates and support for president Trump. I think Trumper refusal to take vaccine combined with a relaxation / resistance to other mitigation measures has been catastrophic for his supporters.
https://twitter.com/charles_gaba/status/1465453758150811648?s=21
Time123 (9f42ee) — 12/18/2021 @ 12:17 pmWhat exactly did he himself do that was so wonderful at stopping the spread? Mitigation measures were taken at the state and local level, and not really supported by the Trump administration. Trump himself persistently downplayed Covid, because he saw it as a political inconvenience.
The Delta variant appeared in the U.S. this year, first identified in May. Much of the population had long since decided to stop caring about Covid, and the continuance of the pandemic has a lot more to do with public attitudes than with official action (or inaction). And public attitudes on Covid have a distinctly partisan slant.
That’s a hypothetical with no basis in reality. The vaccines were developed during the Trump administration. Nothing had changed at the FDA when they got provisional approval for use. Did the progressives all go out and say they refused to get a vaccine that was developed (to some extent) with Trump’s Warp Speed program? No. They have overwhelmingly gotten vaccinated.
It’s the Trumpy right who took the position from the beginning that scientists and experts were all wrong about Covid, and that it was a hoax or an attack on Trump. A political choice to be lax about Covid began under Trump and it continues to this day.
An ideological undercurrent of MAGA is “Don’t trust the experts with all their ‘knowledge’ and ‘experience.’ Trust the instincts of our great leader and the common sense of the average American.” The anti-science, anti-expert viewpoint melded with partisan animosities: Insofar as Democrats thought Covid was a serious threat and vaccination a good thing, MAGAland would take the opposite view.
So what do you think would be more effective in making sure that all those people are vaccinated? Gentle persuasion?
De Santis offered bonuses to recruit unvaccinated police officers, and I read somewhere about a vaccine-resistant doctor being welcomed by a Trumpy pol. A strongly vax-skeptical position was a political choice made by Republicans. Nobody induced them to make that choice. They did it themselves.
Radegunda (7a5c8e) — 12/18/2021 @ 12:38 pmHere is a Kaiser Foundation analysis of a poll on (among other things) partisanship and vaccination.
Main finding:
(I don’t know how many of you are familiar with regression analysis, but it is a way of measuring the effects of multiple variables. In the regression analysis results in the Appendix of the analysis, you can see the relative importance of many variables in determining whether people choose to get vaccinated. Partisanship is the largest, explaining (in a statistical sense) 26 percent of the variance. The study was done in October, so a later study might show stronger (my guess) or weaker effects of partisanship.)
Jim Miller (edcec1) — 12/18/2021 @ 12:44 pmSpringsteen was great. Listening to him do Tom Waits’s “Jersey Girl” for a hometown crowd is chill-inducing. He had the whole package, voice, lyrics, guitar, songwriting. Kind of reminded me of John Fogerty that way. Plus a ton of charisma.
But then, he got old and mediocre. And the press treats him like his poo don’t stink and that’s annoying.
JRH (52aed3) — 12/18/2021 @ 1:03 pm@74. Springsteen: best damned concert ever- ‘Born To Run’ had just been released; Bruce was bumped from the Civic Mosque in Pgh; liked small venues so he came to our college – about 2,000 seat auditorium; across the street from my frat house; Springsteen played for 4 1/2 hours- $5. Still have ticket stub. He played his stuff and other rock ‘n’ roll until he literally ran out of songs– and energy. Only rival – Benny Goodman and James Brown in the Royal Albert Hall; Stones in Hyde Park; Beatles roof gig… and, of course, front row Sinatra, New Years, 1980- Atlantic City.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/18/2021 @ 1:25 pm@44. ‘…basketball hoop…’ Canadian Cruz translation: “basketball ring.”
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/18/2021 @ 1:28 pm@njrob@43 One’s viewpoint on what schools should be doing regarding student confidentiality vs parent right to know depends on what point you thing that students become people. Generally speaking the legal point of confidentiality for students on a variety of issues happens at roughly where they enter 2ndary school (give or take a couple of years depending on the issue.) And if a student hears that their parents know something and tells a school staff member of any kind that they are afraid their parents will beat them or do some other form of abuse the school staff member is required to report it to CPS. By law. Required by law. CPS may decide what to do or not do about the report (often nothing is done) but the staff member must report it.
Nic (896fdf) — 12/18/2021 @ 1:36 pmHere’s a link to excellent analysis showing a strong correlation between covid death rates and support for president Trump.
And, again, there are other variables that co-correlate, such as rural vs urban, access to health care, economic status, race (are blacks in Mississippi really Trump voters?), education levels, quality of housing, etc.
Correlation is NOT causation. That’s a bonehead rookie statistics error (i.e. what every reporter does).
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/18/2021 @ 1:39 pmSergeant Alwyn Cashe receives the award he deserves, finally.
(Wkipedia biography)
Jim Miller (edcec1) — 12/18/2021 @ 1:42 pmDavid Leonhardt:
You may not like his politics, but he knows his way around the numbers.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 12/18/2021 @ 1:43 pmYes, but Harris is failing the VP-height bar. Quayle was a far better VP. This is more worrisome with a president at death’s door than it would be with a president in his sixties.
HST is a better analogy given the secreted condition of FDR battling both heart issues and WW2. Harry did alright given the hell he was handed and he gave it right back. Quayle was an empty suit [years later even Pappy noted it was a poor choice.] Kamala is an equally empty suit– well pants suit that is [her ‘man dress’ speaks volumes about her insecurities and projects weakness, not strength.] She got the gig as a box checker– which says more about Plagiarist Joe’s judgement most of all.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/18/2021 @ 1:43 pmFor example, adjusted for age, blacks are1.7 times as likely to contract Covid, 3.5 times as likely to be hospitalized for Covid, and 2.5 times as likely to die from Covid as whites. Hispanics are twice as likely to die. Are they Trump voters?
Sure, these statistics ignore other co-correlations too, yet argue just the opposite from the county-vote numbers.
All I am saying is that it is possible to construct whatever narrative you want by choosing your “correlation” correctly. There are too many variables for it to have any meaning. Proper statistical studies attempt to control these co-variants, but these “studies” have other goals in mind.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/18/2021 @ 1:48 pmDCSCA, I know people who had first-hand experience working with Dan Quayle who would beg to differ.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/18/2021 @ 1:56 pmYou may not like his politics, but he knows his way around the numbers.
Is he a statistician or something? I swear that nearly no one understands the proper use of statistics, but nearly everyone knows how to bend them to a narrative.
As I said in #78, there are large co-variables and anyone who does not acknowledge that is lying to you.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/18/2021 @ 2:04 pmKevin – If you are interested in the general problem of correlation and causation, I would suggest you look at works by Hubert Blalock, Jr., for example, “Causal inferences in Nonexperimental Research”. (It has been in print since 1961, which should show you something.)
(Simplifying greatly, he shows how you can use correlation to get closer to an understanding of causation, though you can never be absolutely certain, even in, for example, physics.)
Or, if you are just interested in this particular question, please at least look at the Kaiser Foundation analysis I linked to.
Jim Miller (edcec1) — 12/18/2021 @ 2:09 pm#56 Dana – Let me offer my sympathy for your difficult position.
I have some close relatives who have decided not to be vaccinated, and I worry about them every day. (They haven’t explained why, and I haven’t asked, knowing that unasked-for advice is almost never welcome. For that matter, even asked-for advice is sometimes unwelcome.)
Jim Miller (edcec1) — 12/18/2021 @ 2:16 pmKevin – You wrote: “There is almost no correlation between deaths and any category of belief.”
Whether that is true or not, the Kaiser Foundation analysis shows that there is a strong correlation between beliefs and vaccinations. Moreover, they found that the correlation between the set of beliefs we call partisanship and vaccinations was strengthening.
(If you have data on deaths and categories of belief, share it with us.)
Jim Miller (edcec1) — 12/18/2021 @ 2:23 pmThat’s apples and oranges, Kevin. The link was about vaccination rates.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 12/18/2021 @ 2:37 pm@83. ‘I know people who had first-hand experience working with Dan Quayle who would beg to differ.’
‘Wouldn’t be prudent;’ the fella who chose him said it all:
Within days of selecting Dan Quayle for the 1988 Vice Presidential nomination, George Bush wrote in his diary: ”I blew it.”
https://www.nytimes.com/1997/10/05/us/i-blew-it-bush-wrote-of-quayle-decision.html
potato
[pəˈtādō]
NOUN
a starchy plant tuber which is one of the most important food crops, cooked and eaten as a vegetable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tmoSGmvR1o
OTOH, you could argue ‘S’ in ‘HST’ stands for nothing. 😉
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/18/2021 @ 3:24 pm@82, you can construct any narrative you like, but many are are impossible unless you lie about the data. The data shows a strong correlation between support of Trump and dying from Covid. You can pretend all the very consistent data doesn’t lead to that conclusion if you like.
Time123 (9f42ee) — 12/18/2021 @ 3:41 pmNic,
The teachers were isolating students and grooming them into their own groups. They are no different than a cult.
NJRob (537f71) — 12/18/2021 @ 3:50 pmRadegunda,
Considering there isn’t anyone on here that’s a Trumper you are screaming into the abyss.
But whatever makes you feel better. Your authoritarian predilections are made clear in your posts about what to do to people who are recalcitrant about taking the shot of limited effectiveness.
NJRob (537f71) — 12/18/2021 @ 3:51 pmThat potatoe thing was Quayle falling into a lefty teacher’s trap — the one who had written out the words of the spelling bee. Or maybe it was not a trap and the way she spells potato, who knows, she is a school teacher after all. But, yeah, he should have caught it.
They did it again with 43, if you’ll remember, and on 9/11 too. They put the dust jacket on My Pet Goat, the book he was reading to the kids from, upside down so the photo-up looked like he was holding the book upside down.
They’re sneaky that way.
nk (1d9030) — 12/18/2021 @ 4:04 pmBruce Springsteen…has reportedly sold the master recordings and publishing rights to the entirety of his music catalog to Sony for a whopping $500 million. The company now owns 20 of the iconic artist’s work, including famed works Born To Run, The River, and Born In The U.S.A.
According to BBC, these master recording deals provide financial security to the artists and their estates. The companies who obtain the rights have lots to gain through film and TV licensing, merchandise, cover versions, and performance royalties. Last year, Springsteen’s discography earned around $15 million in revenue.
Back in the day when at CBS, CBS Records was put up for sale by Larry Tisch. By his standards it was a poor profit performer w/t then current catalog. Thing was, ol’CBS Records, management refused to break up the artists LPs [unless it was specified by contract] to repackage and sell ‘best of’ LP and CD sets w/t very popular cuts and so on– the rationale being CBS Records wanted consumers to buy the whole LP, w/good and less than good recordings intact rather than just the popular tunes.
Enter Sony. Like Panasonic’s parent firm, Sony manufactured popular audio hardware but owned no software to play on it- aka a record library. Hence, Tisch sold CBS Records to Sony for $2 billion… ‘a song’– a helluva good deal for them and repackaged as many pop tunes in ‘Best Of’ sets as possible, reaped $s over the years and expanded the library. Tisch was not a long-term thinker. But then, he famously turned CBS from the Tiffany Network into just another K-Mart.
Consider this, too: ‘The Beatles catalog of songs eventually ended up in Sony’s lap after Michael Jackson sold half of his stake in ATV to the company for about $100 million in 1995. In 2006, when Jackson was having financial problems, Sony negotiated a deal that gave it the option to purchase Jackson’s 50 percent ownership in the future, Billboard.com reports.’
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/18/2021 @ 4:17 pmExcept you, Rob. And BuDuh. And probably FWO, given his rhetoric. And Socko. Probably felipe. Probably Sammy. And asset. And probably mg, but maybe not anymore. And frosty. And DCSCA. Yep, no one at all.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 12/18/2021 @ 4:18 pmIt’s sad when folks can’t separate art from politics and personality. Especially when so many great artists are, and always have been extremists and generally unpleasant people. Spike Lee: brilliant director; a-hole. James Woods: wonderful actor; a-hole. Picasso, Wagner… you get the idea. Roman Polanski should be in prison. Who do I hurt if I throw away my copy of Chinatown?
lurker (59504c) — 12/18/2021 @ 4:19 pmProstate cancer deaths are about 35K per year, i.e., less than 10% of Covid deaths. Then there’s the matter of one being contagious and the other not. But talking about Covid is boring. Talking about Covid being boring is fascinating!
lurker (59504c) — 12/18/2021 @ 4:21 pm@92 all counter measures are of limited effectiveness. But you know that
Time123 (9f42ee) — 12/18/2021 @ 4:22 pmIt’s not that I want to kill people in multi-car pileups, but as long as bullying legislators pass speed limits, I’m gonna take it personally and refuse to drive under 100 mph. Don’t blame me. The death toll is on them.
lurker (59504c) — 12/18/2021 @ 4:23 pmAnything less than 100% is zero. It’s science.
lurker (59504c) — 12/18/2021 @ 4:29 pmBeing recalcitrant about a vaccine of limited effectiveness is why so many more Trump supporters are dying.
Time123 (00b120) — 12/18/2021 @ 4:30 pmBingo.
BuDuh (851399) — 12/18/2021 @ 4:39 pmSure you’re not.
Time123 (00b120) — 12/18/2021 @ 4:41 pmBidener worried?
BuDuh (1d27ee) — 12/18/2021 @ 4:42 pmAlternative facts.
nk (1d9030) — 12/18/2021 @ 4:46 pmDid the many times I referred to him as “leas bad alternative” or said “no one voted for him they just voted against Trump confuse you?
Time123 (00b120) — 12/18/2021 @ 4:46 pm*least bad
Time123 (00b120) — 12/18/2021 @ 4:47 pmTrumpista Washington state senator Doug Ericksen has passed away.
Here’s what his Wikipedia biography says:
My sympathy to his wife, Tasha.
Jim Miller (edcec1) — 12/18/2021 @ 4:51 pmSays everything about you more than anyone else. In your mind if someone isn’t a leftist or a devout Never-Trumper then they must be a a Trumper.
NJRob (537f71) — 12/18/2021 @ 4:52 pmMark Zuckerberg is about as Soviet as you are. His controlling ideology is whatever profits Mark Zuckerberg.
If your actual far-left counterparts didn’t exist, you’d have to invent them. And vice-versa.
lurker (59504c) — 12/18/2021 @ 5:09 pmPaul – In the late stages of the Cold War, there were people in the United States who I (and others) described as anti-anti-Communists. They were not pro Communism, but they opposed every practical measure proposed by anti-Communists.
Similarly, some of the regular commenters here strike me as anti-anti-Trump, rather than pro Trump, though there appear to be a few of those, too. (And then, of course, there are the people who I would describe as anti-anti-COVID.)
(I hope that makes sense to you.)
Jim Miller (edcec1) — 12/18/2021 @ 5:15 pmJim, I see that we are going to go round on this, but there are other variables that affect vaccination directly. Notably age and race.
Trumpists over 65 probably have a better vaccination rate than Bernie voters under 30.
In my state, which has its share of Trumpies, the vaccination rate of people over 65 is 91% (99% with at least one shot).
There is a wide disparity among races, with the two dose rate among:
Native Americans at 97% (US government direct)
Hispanic/Latino 58%
Black 54%
White 72%
Hispanics are the largest ethnic group in New Mexico, and always have been. It is likely that many of the non-vaccinated whites were indeed Trump voters, but that does not explain the others.
There are also some absolutely vacant counties that have vaccination rates down around 50%, as people there don’t really see the need so much.
I am not arguing that Trump supporters are equally likely to get vaccinated. I AM arguing that it is a far too simplistic take on why people don’t get the jab.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/18/2021 @ 5:30 pmSince we have been discussing music and politics here, I’d like to pass on this rumor: Kim Jong-un has staged public executions of people who were caught listening to K-pop music.
Alas, the rumor seems all too plausible.
Jim Miller (edcec1) — 12/18/2021 @ 5:32 pmThen there’s the matter of one being contagious and the other not.
There’s also a lot of very slow acting prostate cancer. Many people with prostate cancer will never have to do more than take Flomax. Most men over, oh, 60 have it but relatively few die from it.
Of course, sometimes it’s fast and deadly. It helps to know which.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/18/2021 @ 5:35 pmanti-anti-Trump
Well, at least anti-pro-Biden. If I admitted that I would like to see Trump pass from the scene, does that make me anti-Trump, or anti-dealing-with-Trump?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/18/2021 @ 5:39 pmKim Jong-un has staged public executions of people who were caught listening to K-pop music.
What music did they play during the executions?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/18/2021 @ 5:40 pmIf the US had half a brain, we would be hanging the terrible despotism in North Korea around the necks of every Chinese leader. First thing we say to them and the last thing we say to them. We used to do things like this…
https://youtu.be/3Eb49BNl5zg?t=28
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/18/2021 @ 5:45 pmKevin, here’s the K-pop story.
No music is mentioned.
(Since I am no expert on the subject, I can not say whether it should be spelled “K-pop”, or “K-Pop”.)
Jim Miller (edcec1) — 12/18/2021 @ 5:50 pmI was about to say the same thing. You beat me to it.
Still, if one parrots enough Trumpist arguments, at some point anti-anti-Trumpism becomes effectively pro-Trumpism. If someone tells me that in their heart they harbor objections to Trump and his behavior, even if those objections are at best rarely and tepidly expressed, I believe them. But in the end it’s what they persistently do express that defines what they are.
Trump’s base may be true believers, but I doubt he’d be the force and threat he is without the anti-anti-Trump enablers.
lurker (59504c) — 12/18/2021 @ 6:36 pm@njrob@91 If you look into it, it sounds like the school lacks sufficient professional mental health staff and are trying to make up for that lack by using their teaching staff, which is not the best idea. The report is that the teacher looked at the google searches of some kids, but that seems to have been through normal school operation. Depending on what nanny-net program a school runs, anything a student does on-line in a classroom can be viewed by their teachers. The program also automatically notifies Admin, counselor, psychologists, etc or anything that might be a self-harm or violence search. I get between 3-5 notices per day on average. Now personally I would not have used searches I learned about in one context of my job to use for club recruiting, but I’ve had A LOT of ethics training. And the teacher who did the presentation at CTA seems to have been really flippant about her process.
All of that being said, none of what has been described is grooming. Asking a student join a Gay-Straight Alliance club and providing pizza or telling them they are missed if they are absent from a club meeting isn’t grooming. The same sorts of things happen with Bible study clubs or art clubs or music clubs or games clubs. The adults who described their experiences in being part of the club, under the same teachers, when they were in middle school reported that they had not been pressured in any way to join the club or to question their sexuality and many of the parents who had had students who had been in the club described how public the existence of the GSA club and the other school clubs had been in information available to parents. There was no evidence or witnessing presented that anything like pressuring students to think they were LGBTQ ever took place.
That being said as well, I would say that using google searches to inform recruiting was the main ethics violation in their process. I don’t know if you would consider it an ethics issue if they had used google searches to inform recruiting to the christian athletes club, though I would find that to be an ethics violation as well. The rest falls within the normal operation of school clubs in conjunction with legal confidentiality and legal reporting requirements. Legally speaking, I don’t think that using legally obtained information to decide to ask a student to join an extracurricular activity would qualify as a firing offense.
Link to the board meeting
Nic (896fdf) — 12/18/2021 @ 6:39 pmLike I’ve said more than once, Rob, mindreading is an intellectually lazy and dishonest practice. Just because your mentality is binary (that my opposition to Trump much mean that I’m a leftist, which is a lie on your part), doesn’t mean others’ are.
Jim, I’m aware of anti-anti-Trump, but all too often it’s tough to distinguish between that and pro-Trump.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 12/18/2021 @ 6:40 pmThe anti-anti-Trump folks are still rooting for the Party to succeed, and don’t see that bashing Trump helps a great deal.
The anti-Trump folks come in all forms, from those like Patterico who are simply appalled, to those like Pelosi who hated Paul Ryan equally.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/18/2021 @ 6:41 pmIs mg rooting for the Party to succeed?
lurker (59504c) — 12/18/2021 @ 6:49 pmFor that matter, is Trump rooting for the Party to succeed?
lurker (59504c) — 12/18/2021 @ 6:52 pmIt’s not that I want to kill people in multi-car pileups, but as long as bullying legislators pass speed limits, I’m gonna take it personally and refuse to drive under 100 mph. Don’t blame me. The death toll is on them.
Odd that you should pick speed limits in arguing that government bullying is acceptable. When the 1974 oil embargo hit, Congress passed a national 55 MPH speed limit that stayed in effect for 20 years and was widely and openly flouted — one test in NY State showed 83% non-complaince.
Not to be outdone, the feds passed regulations that made speedometers have maximum markings of 85MPH, and some cars had buzzers that went off at 55.
So, speed limit bullying produces not wrecks, but non-compliance. Probably more people drove over 55 after the law was passed than before.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/18/2021 @ 7:01 pmIs mg rooting for the Party to succeed?
mg is in a completely different corner from the rest of us. Anti-voter is closer to it. He’ll be in his bunk(er).
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/18/2021 @ 7:03 pmFor that matter, is Trump rooting for the Party to succeed?
L’parti, c’est moi
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/18/2021 @ 7:04 pm@95. No more a Trumper than you’re a Neocon or a Republican, Paul. For as you know, there’s a ‘yugggge’ difference between being a Goldwater/Reagan conservative on the outs, a neocon facing extinction; Populist ‘Rockefeller-Redux’ Republicans on the rise — and those lost sheltering amidst the storm of change w/a minority POV under the GOP umbrella.
“[B]ut don’t forget, this is called the Republican Party. It’s not called the Conservative Party.”- Donald Trump – May, 2016
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/18/2021 @ 7:07 pmEverything you said up to that point is uncontroversial. But I’d like to see some support for that last assertion. I’m skeptical.
Anyway, that whole response elides my point, which is that even bad laws aren’t an excuse for flouting social norms. In this case, as in my fanciful example, the norm is that while it’s perfectly OK for me to engage in reckless behavior that endangers my own life; reckless behavior that endangers the lives of others without their consent is not.
lurker (59504c) — 12/18/2021 @ 7:16 pmand
In other words, your assertion that “[t]he anti-anti-Trump folks are still rooting for the Party to succeed” is somewhat overbroad.
I’ll add another (more) anti-anti-Trumper(s): Glenn Greenwald (and his far-left ilk). Rooting for the GOP to succeed?
lurker (59504c) — 12/18/2021 @ 7:26 pmAlong with prostate cancer not being contagious is that women and children do not get prostate cancer. But both groups can and do get Covid. (0.003% rate for women.)
Dana (5395f9) — 12/18/2021 @ 7:34 pmTucker Carlson falsely claims that COVID-19 ‘does feminize’ people during an interview with Brexit politician Nigel Farage
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“The virus itself, this is true, does tend to take away the life force in some people. It does feminize people, no one ever says that, but it’s true,” said Carlson in an interview with far-right UK politician Nigel Farage on his show ‘Tucker Carlson Today.’
The pair were discussing UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s governmental policies when the conversation turned to Johnson’s health.
“Somebody who knows him told me… that getting COVID emasculated him, it changed him, it feminized him, it weakened him as a man,” said Carlson. Johnson tested positive for the coronavirus last March and spent several days in intensive care.
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………. Farage responded to by suggesting that Johnson’s new wife — Carrie Johnson — is to blame for the prime minister’s condition.
“Look I think the virus did affect him. But let’s be honest about it, it’s the new wife, isn’t it? I mean, it’s Carrie Johnson, or as they call Carrie Antoinette, which the historians like,” chuckled Farage. “This is a very powerful, very strong woman-”
“What wife is this, do we know?” said Carlson. “Or do we even keep count?”
Rip Murdock (d73ab8) — 12/18/2021 @ 8:07 pm………
GOP gubernatorial candidate’s campaign video celebrates Minnesota with stock images from Eastern Europe
In a recent campaign video by Minnesota Republican gubernatorial candidate Dr. Scott Jensen, worldly stock footage abounds. The clips purport to be from all over the state; from Rochester in the south to Ortonville on the state’s western edge and Warroad, almost on the Canadian border.
“Minnesota is a marvel,” Jensen narrates. “Its natural beauty and rich history are like none other in the world.”
But the hockey-playing kids and sober-faced farmers aren’t Minnesotans, or even Americans. Much of Jensen’s stock footage comes from countries including Russia, Ukraine, Thailand and the U.K.
Rip Murdock (d73ab8) — 12/18/2021 @ 8:19 pm……..
Jensen talks about “our farmers,” showing a combine harvesting a field designated as Willmar, MN. The clip came the Ukraine-based account “mpohodzhay,” who is affiliated with the ufly.pro website. The UFly production Facebook page, which is linked from the Shutterstock account, confirmed in messages the clip Jensen’s ad used was shot in 2019 near Lviv, Ukraine.
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During a clip of a mother and son working on homework, Jensen discusses the “parents and teachers” he says are making sacrifices to improve the lives of Minnesota’s kids. But the clip comes from a Thai account. A mustachioed farmer appears to be the same man who consistently shows up on Russia-based account Petrunine world studio, Jensen’s ad claims it’s in Ortonville, Minn.
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Jensen’s campaign did not respond to multiple requests for comment about whether they had verified the locations in any of their clips.
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“Populist ‘Rockefeller-Redux’ Republicans on the rise”
The GOP just wants to lie, steal, and cheat….for Trump. It’s a movement without a soul or much of a plan. This isn’t Rockefeller moderates taking control. Where’s a steadying voice like Rockefeller today? The Trump party is now exemplified by Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert….empty vessels frequently saying ridiculous and false things….for attention. And enough people have been conned into thinking that this is exactly what we need….that normalcy is no longer needed….that we need to turn our future over to a reality TV charlatan…propped up by other mediocre talents at Fox News….who imagine that they have the steadying hand. Hannity and Ingraham pleading on Jan 6th just shows who is actually playing whom.
A national party can’t win on an intellectual diet of twinkees and ho-ho’s….as formerly respectable Republicans are falling over one another to see who can beclown themselves the most. It appears that Rick Perry has sadly taken his turn in line. WTF. If only this was Nelson Rockefeller…instead it’s the party of Birtherism, QAnon, and certifiable whack-a-doodles. Why is the pillow nut allowed out of a padded room?! It’s hyper-active nationalism that toys dangerously with fascism and kleptocracy. You can tear down Biden all you like, but you actually have to offer something more than modern brown shirts and serial lies….if you ever want to win suburban women again in a national election. People need to wake up…sober up….put your pants back on…please!
AJ_Liberty (3cb02f) — 12/18/2021 @ 8:23 pmFar too little vote fraud to tip election to Trump, AP finds
An Associated Press review of every potential case of voter fraud in the six battleground states disputed by former President Donald Trump has found fewer than 475 — a number that would have made no difference in the 2020 presidential election.
Democrat Joe Biden won Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin and their 79 Electoral College votes by a combined 311,257 votes out of 25.5 million ballots cast for president. The disputed ballots represent just 0.15% of his victory margin in those states.
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……… Virtually every case was based on an individual acting alone to cast additional ballots.
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Contacted for comment, Trump repeated a litany of unfounded claims of fraud he had made previously, but offered no new evidence that specifically contradicted the AP’s reporting. He said a soon-to-come report from a source he would not disclose would support his case, and insisted increased mail voting alone had opened the door to cheating that involved “hundreds of thousands of votes.”
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These are some of the culprits in the “massive election fraud” Trump falsely says deprived him of a second term:
A Wisconsin man who mistakenly thought he could vote while on parole.
A woman in Arizona suspected of sending in a ballot for her dead mother.
A Pennsylvania man who went twice to the polls, voting once on his own behalf and once for his son.
The cases were isolated. There was no widespread, coordinated deceit.
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Even in the state with the highest number of potential fraud cases — Arizona, with 198 — they comprised less than 2% of the margin by which Biden won.
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AP’s review found the potential cases of fraud ran the gamut: Some were attributed to administrative error or voter confusion while others were being examined as intentional attempts to commit fraud. In those cases, many involved people who sought to vote twice — by casting both an absentee and an in-person ballots — or those who cast a ballot for a dead relative such as the woman in Maricopa County, Arizona. Authorities there say she signed her mother’s name on a ballot envelope. The woman’s mother had died a month before the election.
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Donald Holz is among the five people in Wisconsin who face voter fraud charges. He said all he wanted to do was vote for Trump. But because he was still on parole after being convicted of felony drunken driving, the 63-year-old retiree was not eligible to do so. Wisconsin is not among the states that have loosened felon voting laws in recent years.
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In southeast Pennsylvania, 72-year-old Ralph Thurman, a registered Republican, was sentenced to three years’ probation after pleading guilty to one count of repeat voting. Authorities said Thurman, after voting at his polling place, returned about an hour later wearing sunglasses and cast a ballot in his son’s name.
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Las Vegas businessman Donald “Kirk” Hartle was among those in Nevada who raised the cry against election fraud. Early on, Hartle insisted someone had unlawfully cast a ballot in the name of his dead wife, and state Republicans seized on his story to support their claims of widespread fraud in the state. It turned out that someone had cast the ballot illegally — Hartle, himself. He agreed to plead guilty to a reduced charge of voting more than once in the same election.
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Overall, 80% of counties in the six states reviewed by the AP reported no suspicious activity after completing their post-election reviews. This was true of both small and large counties, something experts said was to be expected given how rare voter fraud has been.
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Related:
Florida The Villages residents accused of voter fraud in 2020 election after DeSantis pledges crackdown
Three residents of Florida retirement home The Villages were arrested on charges of voting more than once in the 2020 election, just weeks after Gov. Ron DeSantis pledged to create a police force dedicated to election crimes.
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Jay Ketcik, 63, was arrested last week on a charge of third-degree felony fraud.
Joan Halstead, 71, was arrested two weeks ago for voting in person in Florida and by absentee ballot in New York during the 2020 election, according to an arrest report.
Both Ketcik and Halstead entered not guilty pleas and records show they both intend to attack “the sufficiency” of the charges.
John Rider, 61, was also arrested at the beginning of the month on a similar charge, but an arrest report did not say why he was facing the charge.
Ketcik and Halstead are registered Republicans, according to online records. Rider does not have a party affiliation.
Rip Murdock (d73ab8) — 12/18/2021 @ 8:41 pm……..,,
Supply chain problems:
Israel Finds Planes That Could Be Key to a Strike on Iran Badly Back-Ordered
Israel asked the Biden administration last week to speed up the delivery of refueling tankers that could prove critical to striking Iran’s nuclear facilities, but it was told that the aircraft were back-ordered and it was unlikely that its first one would be ready until late 2024, according to U.S. and Israeli officials.
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In March, Israel ordered the new KC-46 tankers, which would be used to refuel its bombers in the air, allowing them to reach their targets in Iran and return. Boeing is expected to provide eight of the aircraft, for $2.4 billion, with the first delivery scheduled for late 2024. But the United States Air Force is also eager for the planes, which are critical to its effort to focus forces on the Indo-Pacific, and to create a larger military presence to counter China in the region.
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The ability to refuel is critical — otherwise Israeli planes would have to depend on the aging tankers or land in the United Arab Emirates or Saudi Arabia. Both countries are rivals of Iran, but neither wants to be implicated in assisting an attack.
Funding for these aerial gas stations would ultimately come from U.S. taxpayers; the Boeing tankers would be paid for from the annual military aid package to Israel.
Rip Murdock (d73ab8) — 12/18/2021 @ 8:48 pm………
Trump’s Anti-Semitism: MAGAWorld(tm) agrees. See here and here.
Rip Murdock (d73ab8) — 12/18/2021 @ 8:59 pmRooting for the GOP to succeed?
What about those who see Trump as the sole way to defeat Biden or AOC? They aren’t pro-Trump at all, nor are they anti-anti-Trump.
They are just blindly anti-Socialist. Hey, wait, have we cycled back around again?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/18/2021 @ 9:06 pmEverything you said up to that point is uncontroversial. But I’d like to see some support for that last assertion. I’m skeptical.
Well, it’s hyperbole, so you should be, but it’s mixed with the ornery factor. “I’ll show you, Tricky Dick!” Despite it being a Nixon-era law, the support for it was mostly from the good-government center-left sq
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/18/2021 @ 9:10 pm…the support for it was mostly from the swaddle-me-in-government center-left squishes who mostly drive slow anyway. Repeal became a Republican platform plank, and they fulfilled it first thing after the 1994 blowout.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/18/2021 @ 9:12 pmThe GOP just wants to lie, steal, and cheat….for Trump.
And Trump is a Reagan Creation, AJ.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/18/2021 @ 9:12 pmA national party can’t win on an intellectual diet of twinkees and ho-ho’s…
=blink= Yeah. It takes the smoke and mirrors of an ex-movie star. 😉
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/18/2021 @ 9:18 pmSo, apparently, Biden is going to tell the country to “get vaccinated or die, mot**rf***er.”
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/18/politics/white-house-omicron-warning-joe-biden/index.html
CNN has him on Mount Rushmore already.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/18/2021 @ 9:19 pm“It appears that Rick Perry has sadly taken his turn in line.”
Shorter:
“Oops!”
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/18/2021 @ 9:19 pmIt takes the smoke and mirrors of an ex-movie star.
“Find out what he used for smoke and mirrors and send them to all the other presidents.”
— A. Lincoln
Reagan was — easily — the best president of my lifetime.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/18/2021 @ 9:21 pmBiden promised to ‘shut down the virus’ in 2020. SNL ‘shut down’ last live Xmas show for 2021 tonight.
Way to go, Joe.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/18/2021 @ 9:22 pmAnd Trump is a Reagan Creation, AJ.
And so it begins. Again.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/18/2021 @ 9:22 pmReagan was — easily — the best president of my lifetime
Let’s agree to disagree. You must be young; Ike and JFK are in a tie for mine. Reagan and his minions turned America from a creditor nation to debtor nation w/supply-side drivel; tried to recreate the thriving 1960s in the 1980s on a credit card resulting in junk bonds and a stock market crash. The cesspool; the wreckage; the debris gave rise to Trump.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/18/2021 @ 9:28 pm@147. He is. Accept it.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/18/2021 @ 9:29 pmLest you forget:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYeNuISN4Dc
When image over substance ruled.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/18/2021 @ 9:36 pm3. NJRob (49cc84) — 12/17/2021 @ 5:31 pm
1. No vaccine ever prevents the beginningof an infection after several months have passed.
2. The vaccines create antibodies in the bloodstream, but not in the nasal passages, which happen with real infections.
3. Omicron survives longer in aerosols and droplets because its stronger electrcal charge keeps t away from the surface of the bubble.
4/ The disease is less serious (but not harmless) because it is more infectitous on the bronchi but less in the longs
5. Are we going to find out that some people die from the common cold?
https://theconversation.com/can-you-die-from-a-common-cold-126241
https://web.archive.org/web/20211106180517/https://theconversation.com/we-have-a-good-chance-of-curing-the-common-cold-in-next-ten-years-a-scientist-explains-96478
Might be true now, with all this attention to respiratory diseases.
Certainly they’ll replace the flu vaccines with ones that’ll work against all varieties of flu
Sammy Finkelman (c49738) — 12/18/2021 @ 9:38 pmDCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/18/2021 @ 9:22 pm
And this what haooened at Radio City:
1. One day we learned that Radio City had not been enforcing the mandate that all children over age 5 must be vaccinated to get in.
2. The next day they agreed to enforce it – and began offering a vaccine on admission (which is senseless, since the vaccines do not take immediate effect and in fact ought to be counterproductive the first few days.
3. The next day they cancelled the stage play. No Rockettes.
Way to go, Joe.
Sammy Finkelman (c49738) — 12/18/2021 @ 9:42 pmThanks, DCSCA, but I’ll take your characterizations of my positions with a grain of salt, but I do note your non-denial being in the pro-Trump camp.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 12/18/2021 @ 10:07 pmRadegunda (7a5c8e) — 12/18/2021 @ 12:38 pm
Offering people free antibody tests that would also grade their level of immunity. But that they don’t want to do. BECAUSE THEY SAY EVERYBODY SHOULD GET VACCINATED IN ANY CASE. And the same number of times. Since no medical decision is supposed to be based on it, they say no need for the test. Insurance does not pay for it.
Sammy Finkelman (c49738) — 12/18/2021 @ 10:14 pm‘@153. I’ll take your characterizations of my positions with a grain of salt…’
Back at you as it is you who chose to characterize mine– and others first.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/18/2021 @ 11:05 pmYou must be young; Ike and JFK are in a tie for mine.
Ike comes in second. JFK was a drug-addled frat boy whose death was a career-maker.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/18/2021 @ 11:14 pmAnd, actually, Ike was just a name — I wasn’t old enough to judge the man. Ike didn’t have an agenda or “the vision thing” governed calmly, so there’s that.
Reagan did just about everything he set out to do.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/19/2021 @ 12:17 amThe grim reeper gets another anti-vaxxer trumpster! Wa. state sen. doug eriksen (R) died of covid.
asset (d1be63) — 12/19/2021 @ 12:19 am@156. JFK was a drug-addled frat boy whose death was a career-maker.
Six U.S. flags on the moon – unquestionably the most significant event in human history to date– along w/t wake of advances in multiple disciplines around planet– to the contrary.
OTOH, your career-making assessment may just end up applying to the current occupant.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/19/2021 @ 1:18 amReagan did just about everything he set out to do.
That myth and a Reagan dime could buy you a cup of coffee– in 1952. 😉
Lest you forget:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYeNuISN4Dc
When image over substance ruled.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/19/2021 @ 1:29 am@38. You know what the difference is between Drew Carey, Tucka Carlson and Krusty The Clown?
Nothing.
‘Entertainment’ all.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/19/2021 @ 1:42 amhttps://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/12/we_need_a_political_climate_change.html
mg (8cbc69) — 12/19/2021 @ 2:48 amCantafordya is where wokey dokey rules. Pathetic agriculture practices because – KARENS.
Indeed, Kevin M. I will never vote except in local elections. The republican party is too woke for this rugged individualist. No more phone calls, door knocking or signs on my property.
mg (8cbc69) — 12/19/2021 @ 3:02 amThe republican party is a farce. From McConnell to McCarthy – they all stink.
And Trump needs to go golfing.
“And Trump is a Reagan Creation, AJ.”
I understand that you viscerally HATE Reagan….and maybe more poignantly….conservatism…..but it takes a real House that Jack Built analysis to argue that Trump is an inevitable consequence of Reagan…..if Reagan gets saddled with Trump, then what of Dole, W, McCain, and Romney? I know, I know, I know, you’ll claim that there’s some mythical dissertation that lays it all out….yada yada yada…..but do you really believe we get Trump if Romney beats Obama? And with a bit more of an aggressive campaign, Romney could have done it. If Sarah Palin was such a harbinger of where the party was heading, why did her political career crater…and her reality tv shows create a big yawn. She was a novelty act that was out of her element. Though that wasn’t her fault, it certainly wasn’t some great foreshadowing of the unseriousness of Trump. If it was, we’d seen a Senator Palin or a Presidential run.
Go back and watch the debates between Carter and Reagan….and you will draw some stark comparisons with say Trump v. Biden. First, it was gentlemanly, dignified, and polite. Second, they were substantive, talking about economic and foreign policy matters in a serious and informed matter. Third, Reagan’s optimism and belief in America can’t in any way be confused with Trump’s dystopic view, shaped to divide neighbors and seed hate. Reagan consistently said that a free press was a prerequisite for a free country, and that it should hold presidents to account. He invited scrutiny which is the polar opposite of Trump’s bunker mentality and free speech chill.
Reagan was a two-term governor, the President of the powerful Screen Actors Guild, served in the military, and, importantly, he understood that he needed smart people around him….quite unlike Trump’s inevitable bubble of sycophancy. You say Reagan made us a debtor nation but then don’t point out that the GOP never controlled the House during his Presidency….so Tip O’Neill and all the intervening negotiated tax hikes get no consideration?
Trump is a product of Right Wing media….media that was no where as prolific in Reagan’s 3-network time. The sad thing is that it absolves people who genuinely made decisions to exacerbate the quality of our national debate…and lazily ascribes it all to Reagan….he’s simultaneously a dunce and a master manipulator….a dim wit and a choreographer of destruction. Which is it…or is he just a convenient whipping boy for your ideological frustration? Reagan was no saint….Iran Contra was a stain…he was MIA on AIDs….and he couldn’t make much progress in reducing the real scope of government….but he helped get us to the end of the Cold War, he oversaw the end of the stagflation of the ’70’s, and he helped engineer a tax code that helped fuel the tech boom we saw in the ’80’s and ’90’s (tellingly, no one….even with Obama and the DEMs controlling both houses…..want to return to 70% top tax rates…Reagan was right). With Trump, we will remember his Tweets…..some inevitability!
AJ_Liberty (3cb02f) — 12/19/2021 @ 6:23 amSix U.S. flags on the moon – unquestionably the most significant event in human history to date– along w/t wake of advances in multiple disciplines around planet– to the contrary.
All during the presidency of Richard Nixon. NASA and JPL and all that were under Ike. My uncle was heavily involved with Explorer 1 at JPL, reporting to Dr Pickering.
JFK did nothing but show up and give some speeches. Hair gel guy.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/19/2021 @ 8:17 amSee, mg, for all the crap I give you, I do understand where you are coming from. I just think there is some hope left, but I admit I may be wrong.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/19/2021 @ 8:18 amWhen image over substance ruled.
And, lest you forget, DCSCA, when things changed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snsdDb7KDkg
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/19/2021 @ 8:24 amThings Reagan accomplished (you may disagree these were good things, but still…)
0. Brought home 52 Americans from Iran.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/19/2021 @ 8:27 am1. Stopped inflation cold.
2. Cut the top tax rate from 70% to 28%
3. Opened the economy to entrepreneurs by dialing back the regulatory state
4. Rebuilt the US military from its Vietnam nadir
5. Opened up the world to trade and capital
6. Massively reduced the number of nuclear weapons
7. Drove the Soviet Union into the grave
If it was, we’d [have] seen a Senator Palin or a Presidential run.
She could have won such a race, but she didn’t have the willingness or the follow through to try. A lot easier to be a gadfly than they person in charge.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/19/2021 @ 8:30 amTrump is a product of Right Wing media
Radio talk shows, to be exact. The people who support him are, generally, not the people who read Human Events or The American Spectator, or spend a lot of time on the issues.
But, boy, do they enjoy a good rant.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/19/2021 @ 8:36 amhe’s simultaneously a dunce and a master manipulator
Even SNL recognized how stupid that was, in their brilliant Mastermind sketch.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/19/2021 @ 8:39 amtellingly, no one….even with Obama and the DEMs controlling both houses…..want to return to 70% top tax rates…Reagan was right
Uh, Biden tried. He even wanted to make capital gains taxable at that top rate.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/19/2021 @ 8:40 am“She could have won such a race”
Maybe for Senator…and possibly back in as Alaska Governor….nationally I kind of doubt it. Many people did love her home-spun manner, being easy on the eyes, and her willingness to jump in the fray….but she was not exactly polished….and it takes more than just throwing barbs to lead. She could have built a resume by staying more active…and learning the craft….but maybe focusing on the family was the better call. It’s important to note that she was thrown into the fray by McCain…with minimal preparation or previous grooming (hair aside). McCain could have easily have made a different choice…with it in the end not really mattering. The GOP brand was suffering from war fatigue and the housing collapse….and McCain seemed old next to Obama. Palin was his Hail Mary.
Still, DCSCA’s point suggests that Palin indicates a national GOP trend to an outsider and less-than-experienced candidate. But the reality is that she went through the wringer….and except for the hard-core base, she wasn’t that credible. She peaked at her nomination speech. Her resume was razor thin and her analysis maybe a little too folksy. Her fading shows that people did want more. Trump is an accident that metastasized and brought out the worst in the GOP. This too will pass….
AJ_Liberty (3cb02f) — 12/19/2021 @ 9:01 amGeorge Will has a few words to say about the 1619 project.
Here’s his conclusion:
(I would say “leftist”, rather than “progressive”, since the measures advocated by American “progressives” are almost all old, failed ideas.)
As I write, his column has drawn 6184 comments, so you can see that there is interest in the subject.
Jim Miller (edcec1) — 12/19/2021 @ 9:03 am“Uh, Biden tried.”
Uh, when did Biden propose a 70% rate…or even a 50+% rate? We now argue at the margins of what Reagan did….and few want to go back to the complex code of writeoffs. Yes, the DEMs flirt with such things as wealth taxes and certainly want to wealth distribute….but there’s not much stomach for a full retreat. It will always show up as rhetorical flourishes….but nothing that has the votes.
AJ_Liberty (3cb02f) — 12/19/2021 @ 9:07 amThe GSK and the V something are the same monoclonal antibody treatment and the only one that currently works. Dr Scott Gottlieb had to name it – Margaret Brennan of Face the Nation would not.
Eli Lilly is attempting to gain approval for something – I didn’t catch what.
Sammy Finkelman (c49738) — 12/19/2021 @ 9:08 am173.
No he couldn’t. Only six people had gone through the vetting process (for fiances and health) Vice presidents are no longer picked on the spur of the moment since the Eagleton Affair in 1972.
Sammy Finkelman (c49738) — 12/19/2021 @ 9:11 amMaybe for Senator…and possibly back in as Alaska Governor….nationally I kind of doubt it.
I was speaking of the senate race. To me, her biggest problem in Alaska was having called for folks to unseat Ted Stevens in 2008, due to his (since vacated as fraudlent) conviction.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/19/2021 @ 9:17 amPalin and Trump were part of a populist trend that also included the Tea Party, although not every populist element had the same goals and ideas. The Teas, for example, were fiscal conservatives in a way that Trump never was.
It wasn’t so much that Palin and such dumbed down the debate, but that the politically-active portion of the citizenry grew to include many people not interested in complex discussions.
Populism, as I’ve said before, is the canary-in-the-coal-mine, telling the ruling class that they have lost the plot. When you get Joe Sixpack and Mary Moviemag out on the hustings, it’s not because they want to be there, but because things are so bad they can’t take it anymore.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/19/2021 @ 9:26 amRIP former Senator Johnny Isakson (R-GA) (76).
Rip Murdock (d73ab8) — 12/19/2021 @ 9:27 amUh, when did Biden propose a 70% rate…or even a 50+% rate?
https://nypost.com/2021/11/09/joe-bidens-plan-would-make-income-tax-highest-rate-in-developed-world/
Part of the tax rate hike is in surtaxes, Medicare taxes and capital gains tax hikes, bringing the maximum federal bite to over 51%. Admittedly not 70%, but still.
When you add state income taxes, no longer deductible, it gets worse.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/19/2021 @ 9:33 amJoe Manchin says “no” to BB, announces it on Fox News Sunday:
Dana (5395f9) — 12/19/2021 @ 9:50 amRather, it is maliciousness in the service of progressivism’s agenda, which is to construct a thoroughly different nation on the deconstructed rubble of what progressives hope will be the nation’s thoroughly discredited past.
Well, yeah, that’s why the intellectual offspring of Marcuse and the rest of the neo-Marxists are always talking about “disrupting” and “dismantling” “hegemonic systems of white supremacy.” It’s rooted in the frustration of the working classes buying in to the middle-class American ideal in the post-Depression decades instead of replacing it with a socialistic system on the way to communism. That’s why the neo-Marxists gravitated towards targeting race-based discontent while radicalizing white middle-class left-liberal college students in the universities in the mid-late 60s, and why socio-intellectual dead-enders like Angela Davis became their icons. It’s what leads racialist radicals like Zoe Samudzi to tweet “NPC Academic” word salads like, “Till the system has been dismantled and we’re twerking atop the ruins of the white capitalist cisheteropatriarchal empire, there’s work to do.”
Their entire worldview is based on resentment of the people above them in social status, while displaying complete disgust for those below them for not sticking with the revolutionary program.
Factory Working Orphan (2775f0) — 12/19/2021 @ 9:50 am@174 as usual, george will’s master plan is to wax eloquent and then cave
JF (3cfbca) — 12/19/2021 @ 10:06 am182, he should have done a fake out along the lines of:
Fox Host: after our commercial break, Senator Manchin has one more special announcement.
(which after much consternation and breast beating, is nothing more than Sen. Manchin saying Merry Christmas).
urbanleftbehind (c073c9) — 12/19/2021 @ 10:16 amIt’s rooted in the frustration of the working classes buying in to the middle-class American ideal in the post-Depression decades instead of replacing it with a socialistic system on the way to communism
Stalin solved this middle-class problem by killing all the small landholders.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/19/2021 @ 10:40 am@182. ‘President’ Manchin speaks.
“Torpedo Los!” – ‘Action In The North Atlantic,’ 1943
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/19/2021 @ 11:08 amSo many seem to think exactly like DeBlasio and then accuse the dissenters of totalitarian behavior.
Go figure.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 12/19/2021 @ 11:14 am@165. ‘All during the presidency of Richard Nixon.’
As noted earlier on this thread- Nixon literally had nothing to do w/Apollo— as Frank Borman repeatedly reminded him and Hugh Hewitt embarrassingly discovered- other than killing it. Nixon killed the JFK/LBJ inititive- -w/t hardware for the last three Apollo flights already purchased. It was political spite. Haldeman and he literally used a map as butcher paper.
@168/@173. She could have won such a race, but she didn’t have the willingness or the follow through to try. A lot easier to be a gadfly than they person in charge.
Now out-of-favor-Reagan-worshipper-Peggy Noonan, thought otherwise:
“During the 2008 presidential campaign, Noonan wrote about Sarah Palin’s vice presidential candidacy in The Wall Street Journal. In one opinion piece, Noonan expressed her view that Palin did not demonstrate “the tools, the equipment, the knowledge or the philosophical grounding one hopes for, and expects, in a holder of high office,” concluding that Palin’s candidacy marked a “vulgarization in American Politics” that is “no good… for conservatism… [or] the country.” Such commentary resulted in a backlash from many conservatives.” – source, wikiNoonanbio
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/19/2021 @ 11:31 amGeorge Will has a few words to say about the 1619 project.
Like Reagan in blue jeans: the fewer, the better. It’s 2022 in two weeks; not 1982. He’s irrelevant.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/19/2021 @ 11:33 amhttps://thehill.com/homenews/senate/586381-democrats-mull-hardball-tactics-to-leapfrog-parliamentarian-on-immigration
The totalitarian Dems were going to ignore their own Senate rules and legislative requirements to try and stuff the ballot box. Color me shocked.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 12/19/2021 @ 11:36 amAs noted earlier on this thread- Nixon literally had nothing to do w/Apollo
You have given GHWB credit in the past for the fall of the Soviet Union, and you give JFK credit for a NASA, JPL and Mercury program that Ike set up. I think it just as fair to tweak you about Nixon here.
I do agree that Nixon gutted the space program — I was in college then and it changed my trajectory utterly. But it was the national mood to “spend those dollars here on earth” as if they were ever spent elsewhere.
I’m enjoying the alt-universe of “For All Mankind” immensely, and highly recommend it to anyone who thinks we could have done better. The Sea Dragon launch in particular (got your BFR right here, Elon).
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/19/2021 @ 11:48 amI think that Manchin is going to dislike his committee assignments if the Senate gets off of 50-50, in either direction.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/19/2021 @ 11:50 am@168.
0. ‘Brought home 52 Americans from Iran.’ No. Iran released them- minutes after his inaugural.
1. ‘Stopped inflation cold.’ Credit Card America.
2. ‘Cut the top tax rate from 70% to 28%’ Reaganomics: turned U.S. into debtor nation from creditor nation; wrecked middle class
3. ‘Opened the economy to entrepreneurs by dialing back the regulatory state.’ Result: Tucker Carlson.
4. ‘Rebuilt the US military from its Vietnam nadir’ – Nadir: bad management; gov’t spending on guns vs., butter [or cheese]- the weapons were good; it was the leadership management was poor.
5. ‘Opened up the world to trade and capital’ – Goodbye USA, hello Red China
6. ‘Massively reduced the number of nuclear weapons.’ – News to Chinese
7. ‘Drove the Soviet Union into the grave.’ News to Putin: ‘temporary inconvenience; permanent improvement.’ The old model killed itself- saw it first hand in 1971. The new model is rolling off the assembly line- -and into Crimea, Ukraine and Syria.
Would trade Islamic terrorism in for the stability of the Cold War– and the World Trade Center, 9/11 and the lives & treasure lost wasted in NAC adventures in Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan — in a heartbeat.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/19/2021 @ 11:55 am@165. postscript: NASA and JPL and all that were under Ike. My uncle was heavily involved with Explorer 1 at JPL, reporting to Dr Pickering. JFK did nothing but show up and give some speeches. Hair gel guy.
Ike had nothing to do w/Apollo. He signed the legislation to create the civilian agency, NASA. That’s it. In fact, he resisted it- pressured into creating it- and opposed a ‘space race.’ Corona spy sats were his baby.
Speeches- that is announcing a policy then travelling around the country to support it- -are important to garner support both legislatively and fiscally w/t taxpayers, as GHWBush learned in 1989 when he failed to follow up on his space initiative w/any support. ‘Hair-gel-guy’ [though if he used it, it was more likely Brylcreem] made many public speeches to support his policy- the last the day before his death. His speech at Rice University on September 12, 1962, remains the singularly, most inspiring presidential speech I’ve ever heard in my lifetime. It is articulate, forceful, prescient, passionate– and persuasive:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuW4oGKzVKc
Just spent a few evenings reviewing the filmed quarterly reports of the engineering progress and setbacks in Saturn V development between 1962-1967 produced at the MSFC. Quite interesting; a plethora of contractors and subcontractors across the nation; and it was a JFK/LBJ initiative.
As an aside, among my fragments of history is a small piece of fencing from Explorer 1’s launch pad framed up in the den. Your uncle probably has more ‘concrete’ memories.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/19/2021 @ 12:18 pmOmicron news from SA
https://www.news24.com/news24/southafrica/news/covid-19-stop-tracing-and-quarantining-of-contacts-says-ministerial-advisory-committee-20211219
steveg (e81d76) — 12/19/2021 @ 12:20 pm@192. You have given GHWB credit in the past for the fall of the Soviet Union
No- given credit to a national policy held by ALL presidents from Truman to GHWB on Cold War policy. That the CCCP collapsed on GHWB’s watch was just an issue of timing– but still waiting for my peace dividend. 😉
Actually, ‘Mercury’ was transferred from AF to the then new NASA– w/t Space Task Group managing it but Ike wasn’t a fan. Events after he left office- like Gagarin and Titov- made it into a spring board for Gemini and Apollo. Most people don’t realize [or care] how many years work was put into Apollo while Mercury and Gemini were flying. It’s truly a remarkable effort– and a triumph in management, scheduling and skilled engineering techniques in such a compressed time line. Much of the budget expenditures went into just constructing facilities to build test and re-test the components all across America, then ship, assemble test, re-test- and redesign if needed. And even after The Fire, the government/contractor system managed to overhall, redesign and change management to meet the JFK deadline. I’m not confident the America of today could do it in that time frame even w/an unlimited budget.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/19/2021 @ 12:34 pmGotta hand it to DCSCA, a man who can list Trump’s “achievements” but sees none from Ronald Reagan. The sky is yellow over there. But of course, he’s back into troll mode, so there really no reason to continue with him.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/19/2021 @ 12:46 pmMost people don’t realize [or care] how many years work was put into Apollo while Mercury and Gemini were flying.
Mercury wasn’t aimed at Apollo, but Gemini absolutely was. Most of the things that needed to work for Apollo (EVA, rendezvous, spacecraft assembly, long duration, etc) were tested out in Gemini.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/19/2021 @ 12:49 pmIke had nothing to do w/Apollo.
Never said he did. I said he was at the founding of NASA, ripping the satellite program out of the military and giving it to JPL, and the Mercury program. JFK had very little to do with anything other than being the front man for a speech. Johnson, if any of them, had the hands on.
JFK was a better President than Trump, I’ll give him that, but it would be hard not to be ahead of “last.”
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/19/2021 @ 12:52 pmGotta hand it to DCSCA, a man who can list Trump’s “achievements” but sees none from Ronald Reagan.
Where have Trump’s achievements been listed? Reagan himself was the first to admit he couldn’t do much of anything as the Rooskie leaders ‘kept dying’ on him. Without Gorby, Reagan had nobody to work with.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/19/2021 @ 1:09 pmReagan deserves ‘credit’ for turning America from a creditor nation into a debtor nation; for such poor deregulation as to create the S&L crisis and bailouts; the Fairness Doctrine demise leading to the likes of today’s ‘Tucker Carlsons’, a takeover boom w/a junk bond economy run on credit cards that ravaged the middle class, sent segments od American’s industrial base factories lock, stock and barrel overseas– that all collapsed in 1987 when Wall St., crashed. W/o the Reagan Wreckage; the Hollywood smoldering image-over-substance smoke and mirrors of glitz, glamour and the cold reality of the festering cesspool of excess he and his minions created, there would have been no sewer to spawn the Reagan Creation: Donald Trump.
I think that Manchin is going to dislike his committee assignments if the Senate gets off of 50-50, in either direction.
On the contrary: ‘President’ Manchin is in the Cat-Bird-Seat.
JRB is no LBJ. And definitely no FDR.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/19/2021 @ 1:28 pm@164. I understand that you viscerally HATE Reagan….and maybe more poignantly….conservatism…..but it takes a real House that Jack Built analysis to argue that Trump is an inevitable consequence of Reagan
Except it doesn’t. It’s the denial by old-style, Goldwater/Reagan conservatives that makes it all the more amusing; Trump was spawned right out of the festering cesspool of glitzy excess that was 1980s Reagan go-go times. You’re halfway to a solution for Trump once you recognize where the problem began– and it began w/t Reagan/Goldwater conservatism of the 1980s.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/19/2021 @ 1:34 pm*sigh*
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/19/2021 @ 1:39 pmTrump is a product of Right Wing media…
No. Trump is product of free market capitalism [Rreaganomics!] – ratings chasers and click counters chasing eyeballs selling ad time like CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, and ABC, PBS. talk-radio etc., well played in a symbiotic fashion by a savvy and seasoned NYer- the media capital of the world- who knows how to manage, promote himself through the powers that be.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/19/2021 @ 1:40 pmKnow your audience: Americans don’t want to be governed; they wish to be entertained.
[ ] A month of televised Biden speeches
[ ] A day of televised Trump rallies
Choose.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/19/2021 @ 1:46 pm“Would trade Islamic terrorism in for the stability of the Cold War– and the World Trade Center, 9/11 and the lives & treasure lost wasted in NAC adventures in Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan — in a heartbeat.”
Hmmm, I think avoiding the cataclysm of nuclear war….and ending proxy wars that could escalate into nuclear war are pretty significant. Also, freeing millions of people chained into failed economic and political systems is good for the world and freedom generally. Some countries could not modernize and there was some vacuum filling, but it’s hard to paint this as an either/or…and it’s perverse to long for an arms race that was begging for some triggering event. Radical Islam is a different animal…..we should have killed Bin Laden earlier and sent a clear message…and had a different strategy post 9/11….but still more Americans died in Korea and Viet Nam….and more money wasted on Cold War deterrence. It’s good that the Cold War ended and we continue to need smart people to manage international terrorism. Trump and Biden are not smart enough people….
AJ_Liberty (ec7f74) — 12/19/2021 @ 1:55 pm@207. Nah. Superpower deterrence kept the nukes in their silos. Better to deal w/a bear than an army of ants.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/19/2021 @ 1:59 pmHillary is positioning herself to run again.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/19/2021 @ 2:01 pmDouble-vaxed and boostered Elizabeth Warren catches Covid.
Way to go, Joe.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/19/2021 @ 2:05 pm@173. Still, DCSCA’s point suggests that Palin indicates a national GOP trend to an outsider and less-than-experienced candidate.
Have hard data on it. The trend lines/projections suggested it was inevitable that one of the major parties would go for a Palinesque or Trump type. How we ‘sell’ candidates today via the various mediums of the day is an increasingly problematic issue as well. And archives have a long memory. It really isn’t restricted to either Ds or Rs. But the problem rests w/major party leaders drifting out of touch or simply failing to be responsive to basic needs of the general electorate and more to special interst grops- like the NAC crowd. the MIC advocates or unionists, etc.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/19/2021 @ 2:14 pmReagan was a two-term governor, the President of the powerful Screen Actors Guild, served in the military, and, importantly, he understood that he needed smart people around him….quite unlike Trump’s inevitable bubble of sycophancy.
AJ- He voted for FDR. Four times.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/19/2021 @ 3:14 pmSo what if he’s a killer, I like him!
More of that dictator love. If only he liked our real allies as much.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 12/19/2021 @ 4:09 pmTrump and Biden are not smart enough people….
They have managed to back into Cold War II.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/19/2021 @ 4:18 pmAJ- He voted for FDR. Four times.
You keep saying this and have yet to note what the F it matters. Is it like F8 on your keyboard?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/19/2021 @ 4:19 pmWe should have seen it the moment Trumpers started calling Biden demented. Every Trumper accusation is a confession. I have suspected for a long time that Trump did not dodge every “landmine” during his “personal Vietnam” and that he is in the tertiary stage of one or more of them.
(You’ll need to Google what a “landmine” during Trump’s “personal Vietnam” was, because the naughty-word filter won’t let the link post.)
nk (1d9030) — 12/19/2021 @ 4:20 pmGabriel Boric, a Former Student Activist, Is Elected Chile’s Youngest President
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At 35, Mr. Boric will be the nation’s youngest leader and by far its most liberal since President Salvador Allende, who died by suicide during the 1973 military coup that ushered in a brutal 17-year dictatorship.
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Capitalizing on widespread discontent with the political factions that have traded power in recent decades, Mr. Boric attracted voters by pledging to reduce inequality and promising to raise taxes on the rich to fund a substantial expansion of the social safety net, more generous pensions and a greener economy.
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The president-elect defeated José Antonio Kast, a far-right former lawmaker who sought to portray Mr. Boric as a radical communist who would put Chile on a ruinous path, by destroying one of the region’s most solid economies. Mr. Boric’s coalition includes the Communist Party.
Mr. Kast conceded the race, saying he had called Mr. Boric to congratulate him.
“From now on, he is the president elect of Chile and deserves all our respect and constructive collaboration,” Mr. Kast wrote on Twitter.
Rip Murdock (d73ab8) — 12/19/2021 @ 4:34 pm………
No comfort with that prognosis, nk…Al Capone took awhile to deflate and so did Errol Flynn.
urbanleftbehind (258a8c) — 12/19/2021 @ 4:35 pm217, WDRDD in re the resulting rich man’s Mariel?
https://news.yahoo.com/wave-capital-flight-latin-america-010032465.html
urbanleftbehind (258a8c) — 12/19/2021 @ 4:39 pmAJ_Liberty to DCSCA:on 12/19/2021 @ 6:23 am
All he really said was that he predicted that eventually there would be a businessman (that type of non-politician) elected president as his first elective office for the first time. Or maybe he said win a major party nomination.
He said Herbert Hoover and Wendell Wilkie didn’t count – that was different.
Sammy Finkelman (c49738) — 12/19/2021 @ 4:49 pmMinistry of Truth Department:
https://news.sky.com/story/peng-shuai-chinese-tennis-star-who-disappeared-after-making-sex-assault-claim-denies-she-made-accusation-12500272
She is not saying she made a false accusation. She’s saying she never made that accusation (now the truth is it was which was only partially about an assault. Mostly it was about how he used her. But it included one incident of forcing)
I think Xi Jinping wanted to suppress it not to protect one retired person but because, in passing, she revealed the lifestyle of China’s top officials.
Sammy Finkelman (c49738) — 12/19/2021 @ 5:00 pmYou keep saying this and have yet to note what the F it matters.
Of course it matters. Unless he truly was an ‘amiable dunce.’
Ask Bonzo. 😉
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/19/2021 @ 5:06 pmfrom link at 196
It added:
There’s one problem with the “science”
They are in denial about how long immunity lasts, deliberately mixing it up with how long substantial amounts of antibodies remain circulating in the blood, and, as a result, greatly overestimate the percentage of people with no immunity. So all their calculations are wrong.
Sammy Finkelman (c49738) — 12/19/2021 @ 5:07 pm@220. HH & WW didn’t fit the criteria based on their life experience, Sammy.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/19/2021 @ 5:12 pmHere’s a hint for those who would like to understand our most important problem: In the 1976 presidential election, men and women gave equal shares of their votes to Carter (50%) and Ford (48%). In the 2020 presidential election, women gave Biden 57% of their votes, men 45%. (Trump’s comparable numbers were 42% and 53%.)
The gender gap did not originate with Trump (or Hillary Clinton), but it worsened and, I fear, may have solidified, because of those two.
(I would be interested to hear the thoughts of, for example, Dana and Radegunda, on this split between men and women.)
Jim Miller (edcec1) — 12/19/2021 @ 5:15 pmWEll, for one thng it wouldn’t ass. For another thing there’sthe constitution and federal law.
https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/full-text
In 1845 Congress said that the electors shall be chosen on the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November and that if they held an election, and the election failed to pick a winner, a state could appoint them later in such a manner as the state shall by law provide.
https://www.statutesandstories.com/blog_html/presidential-election-day-act-of-1845-and-the-election-of-1840
But I don’t think a state legislature can just declare by itself that an election failed.
Sammy Finkelman (c49738) — 12/19/2021 @ 5:22 pmDCSCA just doesn’t like union presidents, for example, Ronald Reagan and Jack Kemp.
Jim Miller (edcec1) — 12/19/2021 @ 5:23 pmHerbert Hoover held appointive office, and led charitable drives, but Wendell Wilkie? Or were you limiting yourself to someone extremely rich and/or famous?
Sammy Finkelman (c49738) — 12/19/2021 @ 5:25 pm@164. I understand that you viscerally HATE Reagan….and maybe more poignantly….conservatism…
That’s your strained characterization. Never said that. Do object to Goldwater-styled conservatism, which Reagan championed and the fanatical Birchers, which am quite familiar w/due to my late mother’s activism in AuH20’s doomed 1964 campaign; an endearing family mistake we never let her forget 😉 . Nutjobs are slowly being shaken out of the tree these days, but the change is long overdue. Most of the family was more ‘Rockefeller Republican’ in perspective, chiefly due to business interests- with grandparents on one side avid supporters of Tom Dewey back in the day. But do keep shouting Reagan– and listen to the crickets chirp w/t 21st century electorate. Your party is retooling– just as the Ds will when that clear out their own aging deadwood- Steny, Nancy, Joe, Chuck, etc. ‘Reagan… was the President of the powerful Screen Actors Guild’— Powerful? Caved like a house of card to HUAC- -as Reagan fed info to Hoover- his portrait did not hang in the SAG HQ lobby in Hollywood for a reason.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/19/2021 @ 5:30 pm@228. The IEO nominee had to win, Sammy. WW didn’t– and it wasn’t lose, either. But the trend was emerging, particularly post-WW2. The projection suggested a winner by 2000– Trump pulled it off [albeit a slim win] in 2016. The fascinating thing to observe now is how long this run to non-traditional candidates lasts given the decline in major party affiliation by voters and the growth in indies. If/when Trump passes from the scene, they’ll look for another candidate to carry the flag forward– especially now that they’ve taste victory and made change- unless one or both of the major parties self-reforms and absorbs them back into the fold. But given the age of current leadership and divides today, don’t see it happening for several cycles– unless an external event sparks unification… like an ELE asteroid. 😉
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/19/2021 @ 5:42 pmHere’s a practical thought: If you don’t have an oximeter, get one.
They are inexpensive, easy to use — and just might save your life, or the life of someone in your family. (When the oxygen in your blood is low, as can happen with COVID, you may lose your ability to accurately assess your health, something that sometimes happened with pilots in World War II. You may feel you are fine, but you wouldn’t get a good score on an IQ test.)
Most of them, as far as I can tell, also measure resting pulse rate, another useful indicator.
(I looked casually for one made in the United States, but couldn’t find one, and finally settled for one designed here. Perhaps mg can help us find one made here, or at least in a friendly country.)
Note: To avoid regulations and, perhaps, lawsuits, consumer oximeters are sold for athletic and aviation use — even though almost everyone knows almost all of them are being bought to assess people’s health.
Jim Miller (edcec1) — 12/19/2021 @ 5:52 pmDCSCA just doesn’t like union presidents, for example, Ronald Reagan and Jack Kemp
Hmmm. Not really, Jim: my own late great uncle headed his union chapter when he was at J&L Steel in Pgh.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/19/2021 @ 6:01 pmDCSCA – I don’t know whether you caught this correction the other day, so I’ll repeat it:
That correction is not new, even here, but I assume you missed the first one.
Jim Miller (edcec1) — 12/19/2021 @ 6:03 pmHere’s the missing middle line of the quote in #234: “But the value of the equipment is not more than $80 billion. That’s the figure for all of the money”.
Jim Miller (edcec1) — 12/19/2021 @ 6:05 pm@233. FACT CHECK BY NEWSWEEK
‘While the U.S. did spend upwards of $80 billion on security and security forces in Afghanistan, this was not all on equipment.
The figure also covered costs such as training and other assistance. The number for equipment may indeed run into billions of dollars, but not $85 billion[ in equipment alone] as Trump has suggested.’
Still a massive loss be itr on equipment, personnel or MREs… with other people’s money –and incredibly poor management.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/19/2021 @ 6:13 pm“Trump was spawned right out of the festering cesspool of glitzy excess that was 1980s Reagan go-go times”
However, you make it sound like Reagan invented capitalism, that a healthy dose of de-regulation didn’t start under Carter, and that economic de-regulation didn’t have to get through a Democrat-controlled House.
From Investopedia: “The roots of the S&L crisis lay in excessive lending, speculation [and fraud], and risk-taking driven by the moral hazard created by deregulation and taxpayer bailout guarantees.” which sounds a lot like what happened in the more recent housing market bubble and collapse. It continues: “As a result of the S&L crisis, Congress passed the Financial Institutions Reform, Recovery, and Enforcement Act of 1989 (FIRREA), which amounted to a vast revamp of S&L industry regulations.” And who signed it into law? Taxpayer bailout guarantees sounds like a Democrat initiative. As does loans to underqualified reicipients. Not putting enough lending rules on S&L’s sounds like a GOP things…..again, a great foreshadowing of 2007. The resulting recession of 1990-1991 is what chased Bush Sr just as it did W’s prospective GOP replacement.
People will try to make money in a capitalist society. There was real economic growth in the ’80’s and ’90’s — the number of new tech companies is testament to it — with the correpsonding number of engineering and programming jobs. To only see excesses without the growth and dynamism….is only seeing what you want to see. Attributing only negatives to the President and tax cuts is nonsense….as anyone who grew up in those industries recognizes. Yes, other industries went away….Pittsburgh moved from blue-collar steel to today a thriving white-collar tech center…with world-class robotics and health opportunities. Capitalism requires churn….and government does a bad job at predicting what needs to stay and be protected.
The GOP will always be more pro-business; the DEMs will always be more pro-union, pro-labor, and for wealth distribution…under the guise of programs. It’s the “mommy” and “daddy” parts of our society at tension. Most people don’t want >50% taxes like Germany so they get cradle-to-grave services and a guaranteed income. The parties capture that tension…but in the end, spending must be paid for…and neither side can tell hard truths.
AJ_Liberty (3cb02f) — 12/19/2021 @ 6:21 pm(I would be interested to hear the thoughts of, for example, Dana and Radegunda, on this split between men and women.)
Jim Miller (edcec1) — 12/19/2021 @ 5:15 pm
Don’t forget Nic and DRJ, the other prominent women who post here.
norcal (3d2db9) — 12/19/2021 @ 6:21 pm@234. No troops disciplined in U.S. strike killing Afghan civilians
A review found there were breakdowns in communication and in the process of identifying and confirming the target of the bombing, which killed 10 civilians.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/12/13/afghanistan-drone-strike-troops-524162
How Russian of Americans. This is how you seed generational middle east terrorism.
Keep trying, Jim.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/19/2021 @ 6:21 pm@236. There was real economic growth in the ’80’s and ’90’s…
On credit cards, w/junk bonds until October, 1987, when reality brought it all crashing down. The middle class hasn’t forgotten. Encourage you to keep touting Reaganomics, deregulation and the likes that gave fruit to ‘capitalists’ like the likes of Tucker Carlson, who everybody complains about– or Elon Musk, who subsidized by taxpayer $ to person of the year status.
‘Pittsburgh moved from blue-collar steel to today a thriving white-collar tech center…with world-class robotics and health opportunities.’ Thriving? Hardly. I’m from Pgh.; the wreckage wrought by Rustbelt Reagan has never been forgotten. People who could afford to unload their homes moved away; but the damage done to the local economy took two or more generations to retool nd begin to rebuild– and it is still not back. They had little choice. For $65,000, you can buy a 12 room house w/an acre of land around it in West Mifflin– a house built in 1920. Yes, keep reminding folks how great Reaganomics was for Pittsburgh. Hilarious.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/19/2021 @ 6:39 pm#238 norcal – Thanks for that reminder. I always read comments from DRJ and Nic.
(Though I do wonder how to pronounce the first. Dr. J.? D-R-J?)
Jim Miller (edcec1) — 12/19/2021 @ 6:45 pmJim and AJ, it’s pointless to talk to DCSCA. It’s more interesting conversing with a brick.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 12/19/2021 @ 6:45 pm#242 Paul – I usually ignore stuck records. But I think correcting factual errors is often worth doing.
(Though I feel sorry for those who had to do it, professionally, while Trump was in office.)
Jim Miller (edcec1) — 12/19/2021 @ 7:05 pmCan’t wait till Trump stops calling Covid the China virus and starts calling it the Irish virus. You know, O’Micron?
BTW, urbanleftbehind, have you noticed that Tedros Adhanom, the head of WHO, looks just like the late Vernon Jarrett?
nk (1d9030) — 12/19/2021 @ 7:08 pmJim and Paul, there really is not much to say to people who believe that we sent human beings through the Van Allen Belt and brought them back alive. They could get away with their Hollywood sound-stage Moon landings in 1969-1972 when they had all the TV in their control, but let’s see them do it again now.
nk (1d9030) — 12/19/2021 @ 7:30 pmYou had Covid. According to reliable sources, that makes you a woman too.
lurker (59504c) — 12/19/2021 @ 7:46 pmI’m from the bastard SE side of Chicago that blends into NWI, 4 uncles worked for USS/USX, dad at a subsidiary RR, mom worked in the USX South Works chem lab and yes I had a few good Union Hall Christmases before the 80s set in good and hard…I get it DC.
urbanleftbehind (c073c9) — 12/19/2021 @ 8:20 pmTrue, nk, I used to think that ValJar was daughter, not DIL, he was “light skinded” enough.
urbanleftbehind (c073c9) — 12/19/2021 @ 8:23 pm@241. Jim and AJ, it’s pointless to talk to DCSCA. It’s more interesting conversing with a brick.
Reaganaurics.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/19/2021 @ 8:38 pm@246. Right. You get it, ulb. Those old industrial neighborhoods, union halls and corner bars w/t closed gas stations turned into a used car lot or a rug remanent outlets or a mini-mall w/stalls for wives to sell arts & crafts, the kids comic books and baseball cards to mke ends meet says it all. Not a lot of ‘white collar’ jobs or government grant funded research labs turning up around the train yards– or on Saw Mill Run around the shuttered steel mills along the Monongahela.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/19/2021 @ 8:50 pmUrbanleftbehind: read this:
https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-worst-things-about-living-in-Pittsburgh
It’s fair and accurate; and the way it was in 1960, 1970, 1980 through the hell of the rustbelt years and into now. Except the population has declined. No matter how many coats of paint you give it, it’s still a rusty bucket underneath. It is what it is.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/19/2021 @ 9:10 pmYou had Covid. According to reliable sources, that makes you a woman too.
lurker (59504c) — 12/19/2021 @ 7:46 pm
Ha! Even so, I could still kick Carlson’s ass.
norcal (3d2db9) — 12/19/2021 @ 9:20 pmAll of this year’s Hugo Award winners were women. Simultaneously, Larry Correia’s Sad Puppies were accused of “hijacking” the awards even though none of their candidates won anything.
There just might be something in that Covid feminization thing. Or, my view, these days they all write nothing but crap that I wouldn’t pick up with a shovel so they might as well be gallant to the ladies.
nk (1d9030) — 12/19/2021 @ 9:28 pmDo everyone a favor.
lurker (59504c) — 12/19/2021 @ 10:03 pmGet in line, norcal. Metaphorically speaking, of course.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 12/19/2021 @ 10:28 pmhttps://www.theepochtimes.com/covid-19-outbreak-reported-on-royal-caribbean-cruise-despite-fully-vaccinated-adult-passengers_4166411.html
Everyone vaccinated, but almost 50 people come down with the Wuhan Flu.
So much success.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 12/19/2021 @ 10:38 pmNk, Correia was correct.
And his point was proven. Now the Hugo’s are irrelevant except to show what not to read.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 12/19/2021 @ 10:39 pmhttps://amgreatness.com/2021/12/17/california-parents-outraged-after-teachers-allegedly-coaxed-kids-to-change-their-gender-behind-their-backs/
Nic,
those teachers were absolutely recruiting and indoctrinating vulnerable children into their cult. That you have tried to dissemble and pretend otherwise makes me concerned for what else is going on in California.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 12/19/2021 @ 10:47 pmI didn’t want to enter my email to read Epoch Times’ hyperpartisan garbage, so I went to Forbes.
Nobody of any credibility or significance has claimed that the vaccines will stop the spread or stop breakthrough cases.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 12/19/2021 @ 11:03 pmAre you vaccinated?
lurker (59504c) — 12/19/2021 @ 11:19 pmOf course it matters. Unless he truly was an ‘amiable dunce.’
In 1934, Bob Heinlein worked for Upton Sinclair’s EPIC slate (a far left radical platform at the time). Afterwards he became an anti-Socialist activist in the Democrat Party and gradually moved to the Right. People change.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/19/2021 @ 11:46 pmOr, my view, these days they all write nothing but crap that I wouldn’t pick up with a shovel so they might as well be gallant to the ladies.
There’s a lot of that going around, but I was fairly pleased with the final Expanse book, not that the ending was a big surprise.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/19/2021 @ 11:49 pmSarah Palin says she will get vaccinated only over her dead body (or the dead bodies of her kids, apparently)
https://www.the-sun.com/news/4305840/sarah-palin-covid-vaccine-refusal/
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/19/2021 @ 11:50 pm‘I could still kick Carlson’s ass.’
Behind the gymnasium? You and Corn Pop and Joe.
Tucka’s a big dude: 6′ 1″.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/20/2021 @ 12:23 am@njrob@257 I provide a link to primary source material as to what was going on and an analysis of it based on my direct observation about how a normal system works and you respond with political propaganda, which seems to be a frequent occurrence in our conversations. You didn’t even respond to anything I said expect that basically you didn’t like it.
I don’t know why you insist on believing what random political writers, who don’t have any experience with what they are writing about, except in outrage expression, which of course they are expert about, instead of going to the primary sources, but it isn’t a great research technique. In case you are interested, when I tell you how something tends to work in the education system, I am also providing primary source material. You can continue to believe the outrage machine if you want and get outraged about what they tell you to get outraged about, or you can look into the actual situations behind the outrage.
Nic (896fdf) — 12/20/2021 @ 12:42 am@Jim@225 This is just theory and obviously I don’t speak for all women, but I can give it a shot.
I don’t think it’s necessarily one reason, but I think there are a number of reasons that may tend to tilt women’s opinion of Trump, that may overlap, any number of which together might add up to “not this guy”. (reasons not in order of importance, may contain stereotypes)
1. He screams predator. Looking at little girls in the teen USA pagent? Ick. Friend of Jeffery Epstein. Ick. He’d date his daughter if she wasn’t his daughter? Ick. Pays for sex? Ick. Accusation of rape by Ivana? Ick. Avoiding STDs was personal Vietnam? Ick. All the affairs? Ick. There’s lots and lots of ick. He’s exactly the type of man you don’t want to ride alone in an elevator with in real life and do you want a President who wouldn’t be safe to ride in an elevator with? (yes, this also applied to Bill Clinton, it is one of the many reasons my mother said she had as to why she voted for GHWB over Clinton)
2. The you should punish women who had an abortion comment. Even most very pro-life women aren’t interested in punishing the women.
3. Women tend to be more collaborative and less combative and are often less interested and sometimes turned of by the “fight!Fight!” mentality.
4. Lack of nostalgia for the past. The past often sucked if you were a woman.
5. Unending terrible comments about women esp regarding appearances. Trashing Ted Cruz’ wife. Horse-face. Too ugly to rape. etc.
6. General tendency to focus on areas that would effect more men than women.
I’m sure one of the other ladies will have seen some other reasons, these are just the ones that come to mind in the middle of the night. 😛
JMHO
Nic (896fdf) — 12/20/2021 @ 1:25 amI have a comment in moderation. No links and I didn’t use any swears. If someone could free it up please?
Nic (896fdf) — 12/20/2021 @ 1:28 amHere’s an interesting piece on the demise of steel in the U.S.
https://theconversation.com/lessons-from-the-steel-crisis-of-the-1980s-57751
Again, simply laying it at the feet of Reagan and supply-side economics (or the go-go ’80’s) misses what had been building for decades within the industry. Both Carter and Reagan both tried some limited protectionism, but with little success. The industry had failed to modernize to compete with foreign suppliers who had plants that were generations ahead. Unions wouldn’t cede, and management chose short-term profits over a long-term vision (again extending back through the ’70’s when there would have been time to adjust).
Now I won’t minimize the shock and terribleness of losing a massive number of blue-collar jobs whether it’s in Pittsburgh, Gary, Bethlehem, or East Chicago. The question from the government perspective is whether a massive protectionism program in the early to mid 80’s would have been the right call…or had the die been cast and the industry was driven into the ground….with the recession created by the Fed to choke inflation…providing the final shovel-full of dirt? Is the alternative of a state-planned economy….and subsidized make-work jobs….the answer to the uncertainty of capitalism? I think history has given us that answer. Yes, government has a role in helping people to work through globalization and survive….and reinvent. It’s quite the challenge when you’re in your late 50’s and ask to do that. But every industry must be working to become more efficient and customer responsive….and not assume inefficiency will be rewarded/shielded…..yeah the banking industry in the 00’s should have paid more for its excesses too.
One final point: DCSCA needs to google Pittsburgh technology sector and come up to speed in what is going on in that city. Not just are big name tech companies moving in, but venture capital is surging in for a lot of start ups. The health technology sector is growing too. Being a lover of everything space, he needs to check out Astrobotics and its plan for commercializing travel to the moon. Not everything is stuck in 1990….
AJ_Liberty (3cb02f) — 12/20/2021 @ 4:47 amhttps://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/12/the_elites_obsession_with_january_6.html
mg (8cbc69) — 12/20/2021 @ 4:54 ammg:
Advocating stupid or wrongheaded or even destructive policies isn’t treason. Even invading the capitol building with the intent of hanging Mike Pence probably isn’t treason.
It’s easy to throw around words with heinous meanings so that you can get to moral equivalency. But, what your kink is doing is the right wing equivalent of it’s ok to riot and loot because systemic racism.
Appalled (1a17de) — 12/20/2021 @ 5:53 amI meant link, not kink. Eek
Appalled (1a17de) — 12/20/2021 @ 5:53 amIn some cases an “anti” movement can jump the rails. It can embrace unethical practices because the fight “is so vital” and becomes more like a cult without the traditional leader at the top. Maybe the movement was co-opted or maybe it’s just the natural course. When that happens honest people shouldn’t remain silent just because the movement claims it shares their beliefs.
Being anti-communist wasn’t a thing in itself. The original goal was to protect American values. At some point some people woke up and noticed the anti-communists weren’t doing that. They noticed the cure was worse than the disease. Anti-communism had stopped dealing in any meaningful way with the threats from marxism and collectivism.
For trump, there are people willing to accept any lie, undermine any institution, reject any norm or tradition if it means taking trump down. Those people are just as bad as the trumpers they routinely denounce. However, there is some humor in watching pro-Biden people run interference for him as poorly as they’ve previously accused alleged pro-trump people of doing.
For covid, I’ve no idea why the pro-mandate people have put all their eggs in an obviously flawed basket. Why aren’t we getting the updated vaccines for the updated variants that we were promised could be developed in a matter of weeks? Why aren’t we putting more into therapies because we’ve known for some time that the vaccines aren’t 100% even if 100% of the people had them? Why aren’t we doing better with at home testing (the common at home tests don’t seem to be doing well detecting omicron)? Why aren’t we sequencing more in the US? Why is the CDC still having so much trouble collecting data from the various states 2 years into this?
At this point a rational person will be criticized for noticing that there is a faction of the pro-vax crowd that is actually detrimental to public safety.
frosty (f27e97) — 12/20/2021 @ 6:13 amNic @ 264, I read your previous comment on the matter. It was good information and continued the trend that ‘outrageous’ headlines are usually not as outrageous as they appear. I don’t t think many people (NJRob) included are interested in the details of what happened. It fits their culture war framing or it doesn’t and the details are a distant secondary concern.
Time123 (9f42ee) — 12/20/2021 @ 7:21 amFrosty, We’ve known literally since the vaccines were approved for emergency use that they’re less then 100% effective at spreading transmission. It’s gone down as new variants have developed, which was predicted and discussed last spring as part of the need to get more people vaccinated to reduce the likelihood of mutation.
That said, being vaccinated massively lowers the risk that Covid will results in hospitalization or death. MI is currently being hit pretty hard with Covid. Vaccinated hospitalization are 1/4 of unvaccinated. Public Health officials are. recommending a booster shot to further help improve outcomes.
Time123 (9f42ee) — 12/20/2021 @ 7:30 amJst one of the bits of news about Covid:
https://twitter.com/mugecevik/status/1471088942543949829
I think, by the way, that revious infection with coronovirus cold virus 229E, (and also others) yes or no, may effect how serious an infection it is.
Here is something k=interesting:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-03619-8
Sammy Finkelman (c49738) — 12/20/2021 @ 7:41 am270. frosty (f27e97) — 12/20/2021 @ 6:13 am
The Food and Drug Administration doesn’t want to say that any of their mormal procedures are wrong – and doesn’t want anyone else to criticize it either. They do the least variation from their normal approval process they can get away with. I don’t know enough to know why this is so – but it has been going on for almost fifty years. Things were trending that way in the medical research community for about 15 years before that.
There may be some internal bureaucratic reasons for this. Government health officials also promoted a false theory of obesity and caused the prosecution of an author of a best selling 1961 book “Calories Don’t Count” which was much closer to the truth.
You can read about delays (caused by law, not anything else) also the time.
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/as-omicron-threatens-to-thwart-most-covid-treatments-u-s-is-saving-up-one-that-will-still-work
They’re expected. The obstacle isn’t medical knowledge. It’s acting on it in real life. The BIG LIE is that more research or money for research is needed. The obstacles to improvement in medical treatment are mainly legal and political.
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/omicron-may-sideline-two-leading-drugs-against-covid-19
The truth is quite horrible.
Sammy Finkelman (c49738) — 12/20/2021 @ 8:02 amNic @264 In case you are interested, when I tell you how something tends to work in the education system, I am also providing primary source material.
if i understand this right, everyone is a primary source except the parents
and Nic, appeals to one’s own authority probably work in a school setting only
use it appropriately and modestly
sounds like inappropriate use is how that parent’s kid got roped in
JF (3cfbca) — 12/20/2021 @ 8:17 amIf anyone is under the belief that Trump and I have nothing in common, wrong! We both got boosted. I got mine last Friday, to go with the steroid shot in one of my shot knees.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 12/20/2021 @ 8:19 amNic,
Released your comment (@ 265).
Dana (5395f9) — 12/20/2021 @ 8:19 amIt isn’t enough for you that Donald Trump pushed the drug regulators for vaccines? You want him to have also gone against them on therapies??
And there are things not in the pipeline tthat also would have been good. Like antobodies deliveed without injections but by pressing a pad against the skin.
The truth is, vaccines were pushed by insiders because that was the least disruptive thing to their way of doing business. Donald Trump (or his aides) didn’t see there was a much much bigger problem here. Thirty five years before, AIDS activists encountered it. Good treatment was delayed for close to ten years and it only happened then because Dr. Fauci switched sides a little bit.
Is that all??
We’ve known since the beginning that vaccines are only useful for prevention (with rare exceptions like rabies)
Vaccines are mostly useful for infection contracted at least ten days in the future – therapeutics are useful for infections contracted ten days in the past
Ww’ve known the monoclonal antibodies, when they work, are good also for preventing infection, and at very low dosages. But the pharmaceutical companies choose their battles – and they don’t say anything except to investors (that’s why you used to read about new drugs in the business pages
mainly) because they don’t want to get in trouble with the FDA. This despite the fact that some comppanies did get in trouble – with lawyers, years later – for marketing.
Bureaucratic obstacles.
Do you know that the FDA gets a cut now of all the money spent on expedited drug approval? That probably translates into personal benefit for the bureaucrats.
There’s ways to use common tests to detect omicron. (contradictory results on two sub tests)
They started! How fast do you expect Biden to act? Do you expect him to divert money from other ways to spend it?
They’re probably not really interested.
Invalid criticism gets a lot more criticism and pushback than valid criticism.
Sammy Finkelman (c49738) — 12/20/2021 @ 8:26 amIt’s the law in several countries and in Mexico it’s in a state of flux.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/08/world/americas/mexico-abortion-access.html
The question is not why fewer women than men voted for Trump but why did more women than men, particularly in the suburbs, switch between 2016 and 2020?
Sammy Finkelman (c49738) — 12/20/2021 @ 8:33 amTime123 (9f42ee) — 12/20/2021 @ 7:30 am
Are you agreeing with me or am I misunderstanding something? I get the sense that you think I was making an anti-vax comment.
I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said and I’ve said this from the beginning. When I say what you’ve said the pro-vax crowd gets triggered. Stop transmission and that it did provide complete protection was a talking point until we moved those goalposts. Now it’s important to say that we didn’t move them. It wasn’t that long ago that it was pure anti-vax propaganda to say the primary purpose of the vaccine was to keep people from having severe symptoms.
frosty (f27e97) — 12/20/2021 @ 8:33 amAppalled – just words from the press you disagree with. I personally think they did the wrong thing by entering that cesspool. And they be paying the price.
mg (8cbc69) — 12/20/2021 @ 8:44 am#277
If Trump had the courage and leadership potential he thinks he does, he would push the vax and booster a lot more, instead of just mumble it out from time to time.
Appalled (1a17de) — 12/20/2021 @ 8:47 am@283 when the current prez doesn’t have courage and leadership, it’s an ex-prez problem for sure
JF (3cfbca) — 12/20/2021 @ 8:51 amTrump only tells his enthralled what they want to hear. For a city boy, he knows farm ways. Don’t upset the hens or they’ll change their laying place, don’t upset the cow or she’ll go dry.
nk (1d9030) — 12/20/2021 @ 9:10 amSammy Finkelman (c49738) — 12/20/2021 @ 8:26 am
At this point it’s something I’d like Biden to do.
No, but this is a true-belief(tm) with the pro-mandate crowd and it’s worth pointing out the flaw in the plan.
Maybe we can also talk about how much money there is in the pro-mandate racket.
Considering the 800k talking point that gets floated when Biden wants to do something I’d say faster and yes.
At this point all criticism of the “vaccine as the only option” policy is invalid. I feel like a discussion of the idea of throwing good money after bad and marginal utility might be a good idea.
frosty (f27e97) — 12/20/2021 @ 9:17 amThis NYT article is probably reasonably close on Omicron and current vaccines.
So, all of the vaccines reduce the chances of serious illness, but only the messenger RNA vaccines stop infections.
Poor and middle income nations haven’t had the mRNA vaccines, so they are going to be more seriously affected by Omicron than, for example, the United States.
Here’s what Moderna is saying:
(For more technical details, take a look at this Pfizer press release.)
Jim Miller (edcec1) — 12/20/2021 @ 9:37 am#284
Another exhortation from Biden is useless. Trump might reach people and change minds. It also could lose him 2024 votes.
So he acts like a politician.
Appalled (1a17de) — 12/20/2021 @ 9:47 amHere, on, of all places, Twitter, is a useful comparison of the two types of COVID tests.
Jim Miller (edcec1) — 12/20/2021 @ 9:52 amThis is misleading, and I figured it out right away.
It’s not the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine so much (although they are more effective vaccnes than any of the others) as it is the booster shot which raises the amount of antibodies currently circulating in the blood.
This level gradually drops.
Omicron has only been around for four weeks.
Senators Elizabeth Warren and Cory Booker got the booster, but probably a while ago, and Senator Warren, at least, not only tested positive but felt ill (that’s why she took the test) There’s no word, though, on whether she had Delta or Omicron. Delta was running not long ago at 99% of U.S. cases, but Omicron last week was at 3% or so (nationwide) and doubling every 2 or 3 days.
Sammy Finkelman (c49738) — 12/20/2021 @ 10:01 amI don’t think you do a very good job characterizing the pro-vaccine argument here. When the vaccines were first released there was a lot of discussion about which one was best and how effective they were. I don’t recall a lot of assertions that any of them offered perfect immunity. If people were making that argument they were disagreeing with the information released by the CDC and FDA. IIRC corrrectly at the time they were saying J&J offered about 70% and Pfizer was in the 90’s.
I think the reference to ‘moving the goal posts’ is odd. We’re dealing with a natural phenomenon and it’s dynamic. Like a tropical storm. If a storm is headed for the gulf and the urge people to seek shelter, and then the storm gets worse and the advice changes to move inland you don’t characterize that as “moving the goal posts” You characterize it as a change in the situation.
The initial hope was that the vaccine would create herd immunity and stop the spread. Delta variant dashed that plan. But the vaccine still slows the spread and massively improves health outcomes so it’s still being mandated. This isn’t like some online argument where you answer a question and they decide you need to provide 10 more data points. It’s a real world event where we’re developing a reaction plan in real time.
Time123 (9f42ee) — 12/20/2021 @ 10:03 amTwitter user:
A. In large part, because of its lower sensitivity.
It pretty much catches situations when someone can infect other people, and avoids positives before or later.
Sammy Finkelman (c49738) — 12/20/2021 @ 10:05 amTime123 (9f42ee) — 12/20/2021 @ 10:03 am
And one shot of Pfizer or Moderna was better thsn one shot of J&J, yet a person was not considered fully vaccinated if they had only one shot of the mRNA vaccine but considered fully vaccinated if they had taken the one shot of J&J.
These figures, are, of course, before delta and even alpha. It wasn’t made clear how much time they allowed for the vaccine to act before counting infections.
Sammy Finkelman (c49738) — 12/20/2021 @ 10:10 am@293, you’re correct as usually Sammy. My point was that even at their introduction the efficacy was known to be less then 100%.
Time123 (9f42ee) — 12/20/2021 @ 10:12 amGreat Article by Brand Rafsenburger
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10317063/Tell-people-times-democracy-stolen-believe-BRAD-RAFFENSPERGER.html
Time123 (9f42ee) — 12/20/2021 @ 10:18 amOne final point: DCSCA needs to google Pittsburgh technology sector and come up to speed in what is going on in that city.
=yawn= AJ: last word: you need to listen to people who were born there, lived there, have family who not only STILL live there; been employed in the civics, banking and businesses there, have friends still stuck living there, have their dead relatives buried there and understand how the city has been trying to dig itself out of the rustbelt for decades. Oh yes– and be sure you use only Heinz products. =sigh=
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/20/2021 @ 10:27 am@time@272 Thanks, I do try to provide accurate information on how things work in the education system.
@JF@276 I am a primary source of how things work in the school system because I am a direct witness. A person who participated in the GSA club at that school is a primary source because they were a direct witness to what happened in the club. A parent would be a primary source on what their interaction with the with the school or in their direct interaction with the club, but a secondary source on what their student told them because they weren’t the direct witness, the student was.
The link I provided was not a filtered or interpreted link. There was no extraneous commentary on it, it was the raw footage of a stream of the school board meeting, opening to closing, in which a number of community members spoke regarding their concerns and experiences.
“appeals to one’s own authority probably work in a school setting only” You do happen to notice that sometimes the lawyers on this board talk about the law and how it works, right? In fact, a number of people have shared their experiences about how things work in their fields when it was relevant to the topic under discussion.
@Dana@278 Thanks! I appreciate it!
Nic (896fdf) — 12/20/2021 @ 10:33 amMAGAWorld(TM) more or less not amused.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 12/20/2021 @ 10:40 amNic @297 parents are a direct source for how their kids are psychologically and emotionally for the 75% of time they aren’t in school and the 12 or so years they’ve been the doing the work of parenting them from birth
parents aren’t just a witness of limited scope, but that you would characterize them that way is certainly revealing
if there’s ever been a comment of yours here that hasn’t been a blanket defense of any and every school system, i’ll gladly lump you in with the (good) lawyers on this site who let the facts take them wherever they lead and routinely call out bad behavior by fellow lawyers and prosecutors
JF (3cfbca) — 12/20/2021 @ 11:02 amTime123 (9f42ee) — 12/20/2021 @ 10:03 am
I can only assume that your being completely genuine and it is amazing.
The catch there, I suppose is “perfect immunity”. Yes, there were people saying that the vaccine would stop transmission and that you couldn’t get infected if fully vaccinated. Yes, those people were disagreeing with the information we had at the time. Anyone who pointed that out was anti-vax because pushing the vax was the noble cause. Those people are still ignoring what this means with respect to omicron.
Your analogy to the storm doesn’t fit what actually happened, and is still happening. We weren’t told to seek shelter in some generic sense. We were told to do a very specific thing. And we weren’t told to do a different thing when we got new data. We’re told to do the same thing again. We aren’t being given anything other than get vaccinated and wear masks and that isn’t doing the trick.
If you want to talk about odd things; the odd thing is you’re now saying what I’ve been saying all along. Now we’ve got omicron that is shaping up to be relatively mild and knowing that the vaccine won’t stop the spread or mutation you’re still in favor of mandates.
frosty (f27e97) — 12/20/2021 @ 11:10 amGreat Article by Brand Rafsenburger
Indeed. This demonstrates press bias at its most odious. Sure Trump deserves the crap he gets for his wild election claims, but so does Stacy Abrams and everyone who called W “president-select.”
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/20/2021 @ 11:38 amFrosty, you keep asserting that making factually correct statements was called anti-vax. Can you be specific? If a speak(say Tucker Carlson or whomever) does a 10 minute monologue with the point that the vaccine isn’t very helpful and you should strongly consider not taking it that’s an anti-vax message even if they include several accurate facts. Maybe that’s what you’re doing, maybe not. It’s hard to tell when you claim is vague.
I haven’t seen data with Omicron in it yet, it’s too new, but the best tool we have to reduce spread and mitigate harms remains the vaccine. If you want to look at the data I’ve posted it makes a very strong case that the vaccine does indeed do the trick. It’s not as cool a trick as it was before delta, but it clearly has a significant impact.
Time123 (9f42ee) — 12/20/2021 @ 11:40 am@JF@299 Everyone is a witness of limited scope. No one is an omniscient God who knows all about everything.
Parents are direct source of what they observe of how their kids are around them. A parent doesn’t always know how a kid acts when they are not with their parent, especially as children become young adults, and doesn’t always know how their kid feels if the kid doesn’t tell them (or if the kid lies to them about it). Every parent who suddenly learned via the school, the police, or a friend’s parent that their kid has a drug problem could tell you that. Every parent who gets a call that their kid is self-harming or suicidal and is surprised could tell you that. Even every parent whose kid is submitting blank work in their google classroom and showing their parent a clean to-do list with everything marked as turned in and the teacher then emails the parent about the issue could tell you that.
“If there’s ever been comment of yours here that hasn’t been a blanket defense of any and every school system”:
Me in comment 120 (a comment you must have read within the last 2 days since you are weighing in): “It sounds like the school lacks sufficient professional mental health staff and are trying to make up for that lack by using their teaching staff, which is not the best idea” And “I would say that using google searches to inform recruiting was the main ethics violation in their process”.
There you go. In this thread alone, a comment that is not a “blanket defense of any and every school system”.
Nic (896fdf) — 12/20/2021 @ 11:43 amEven invading the capitol building with the intent of hanging Mike Pence probably isn’t treason.
Waging war against the duly-elected institutions of the United States IS treason. Maybe that does not include a mob trying to hang the VP (I think it does), but attempting to prevent the electoral votes from being counted, taking the ballots, and/or destroying them would seem to strike at the heart of the Constitution.
It IS possible to define “treason” so narrowly that it cannot be committed.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/20/2021 @ 11:44 amWaging war against the duly-elected institutions of the United States IS treason.
No it’s not.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 12/20/2021 @ 11:48 amUS Constitution, Article III, Section 3.
Frosty,
I think that we could have had a safe and working vaccine in May or June 2020. The only real questions anyone had were about dosage and side-effects based on dosage. But the FDA procedures that were set up in the 1950s have not evolved with technology. They have a system, no doubt based on masses of paper forms, and, being a bureaucracy, they are not going to change it.
When we look back at this period, I think things will change. Risk/reward needs to be more in the picture (and not risk to the bureaucrats as it is today). What happened here was the opposite of the Thalidomide event and it needs to be understood that INaction can be worse than action. Of course, you never have to get approval for INaction.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/20/2021 @ 11:50 amTreason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them
This includes war against the government and it’s institutions. What IS the “United States” if noit that? The physical land mass? Really?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/20/2021 @ 11:51 amThis includes war against the government and it’s institutions. What IS the “United States” if noit that? The physical land mass? Really?
Not according to the Supreme Court. From the link in #305:
My emphasis. The Treason Clause only applies when someone gives “aid and comfort” to an identifiable enemy with whom we are at war. Theoretically, persons would be charged with insurrection, under 18 U.S.C. §2383, or seditious conspiracy, under 18 U.S.C. §2384. However, the Government has decided to charge a large subset (nearly 1/3) of the rioters with “corruptly obstructing an official proceeding” because the Government has previously had a hard time of proving insurrection or seditious conspiracy cases.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 12/20/2021 @ 12:09 pm306. Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/20/2021 @ 11:50 am
Or with science. And 1960s I think. That’s when they not only had to prove safety but effectiveness per a 1962 law. And it’sgotten worse and worse.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 12/20/2021 @ 12:17 pmNic @303 that’s 1) an excuse, and 2) you defended the google searches in the original comment
so far, it looks like we’re dealing with misguided/absentee parents in thrall to the “outrage machine”, as you call it, bad laws and bad lawyers, while bad school administrators and bad teachers are no where to be found
i’d take a parent who defends his kid no matter what just as seriously
JF (3cfbca) — 12/20/2021 @ 12:21 pmIt was not enough, Chief Justice John Marshall’s opinion emphasized, merely to conspire “to subvert by force the government of our country” by recruiting troops, procuring maps, and drawing up plans. Conspiring to levy war was distinct from actually levying war.
This is of course total bullsh1t. John Marshall was acting politically, as he hated Jefferson. He narrowed down the charge to the one thing that could not be proven with 2 eyewitnesses (an overt act on an island at a time when Burr had alibi witnesses). Burr was guilty guilty guilty.
As I said, one can define the crime so narrowly that it is hard to commit, as Marshall did for purely political reasons.
There are two types of treason. One is “waging war against the United States”, the other involves “adherence to an enemy AND giving them aid and comfort.” The rest of what you post confuses the two.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/20/2021 @ 12:25 pmIn any event, the attack on the Congress was not simply a plan, it was an overt event. Conspiring to do something — that is then done — is not just conspiracy.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/20/2021 @ 12:28 pmLet’s say that someone plotted to pile up 5 tons of Semtex under the Capitol, then did it and set it off with Congress in session. How is this not waging war? Do you actually have to have soldiers and uniforms?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/20/2021 @ 12:30 pmThere are two types of treason. One is “waging war against the United States”, the other involves “adherence to an enemy AND giving them aid and comfort.”
The two go together as part of the same offense. In addition, John Marshall’s opinion was not about Burr directly (who was acquitted in his treason trial). It involved two of his confederates (Bollman & Swarthout).
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 12/20/2021 @ 12:35 pmLet’s say that someone plotted to pile up 5 tons of Semtex under the Capitol, then did it and set it off with Congress in session. How is this not waging war? Do you actually have to have soldiers and uniforms?
Mass murder but not treason, unless the US was engaged in a war against an enemy, and there were at least two witnesses testifying in open court. Insurrection and seditious conspiracy would be the charges.
The last treason convictions in the US were various Americans who were propogandists for Japan and Nazi Germany. Not even John Walker Lindh was charged with treason, even though he joined the Taliban fighting the US.
Source
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 12/20/2021 @ 12:46 pmThe two go together as part of the same offense.
That pesky word “or” would indicate otherwise.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/20/2021 @ 12:46 pmMy bad, but neither applies to the events of January 6th.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 12/20/2021 @ 12:47 pmHere’s a simple test of what “waging war” means:
If this was done by agents of a foreign government, would it be an act of war?
So, for example, if Mexico — upset with US treatment of Mexican citizens who illegally enter the US — sent 10,000 people to DC to invade Congress and threaten its members during a debate on immigration law, would that be an act of war?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/20/2021 @ 12:48 pmKevin M (ab1c11) — 12/20/2021 @ 11:50 am
I’m not so concerned about May or June of 2020. That’s in the rear view mirror. The real problem is hind sight isn’t 20/20. We should be doing more than putting everything in the vaccine basket and finding scapegoats when that works out exactly like we can predict.
frosty (25faca) — 12/20/2021 @ 12:49 pmEven Jane Fonda was not charged with treason (or any crime) after visiting North Vietnam and posing for pictures.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 12/20/2021 @ 12:51 pm@319, we are doing more. Monoclonal Anti-Bodies are being developed and Pfizer is working on a bill to treat Covid.
Time123 (9f42ee) — 12/20/2021 @ 12:52 pmSo, for example, if Mexico — upset with US treatment of Mexican citizens who illegally enter the US — sent 10,000 people to DC to invade Congress and threaten its members during a debate on immigration law, would that be an act of war?
Under federal law (18 U.S. Code § 2331):
(4)the term “act of war” means any act occurring in the course of—
(A)declared war;
(B)armed conflict, whether or not war has been declared, between two or more nations; or
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 12/20/2021 @ 12:58 pm( C )armed conflict between military forces of any origin;
Even Jane Fonda was not charged with treason (or any crime) after visiting North Vietnam and posing for pictures.
Sitting at an anti-aircraft gun. No, she was not, but that was prosecutorial discretion, not that the charge was incorrect. She admits today that it was a grave mistake to appear to take sides against the United States.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/20/2021 @ 1:00 pmSo, what if they just have baseball bats? Does the lack of uniforms (only a recent development among armies, intended to separate them from non-combatants) mean that they are not military forces? Does that mean that the attack on the Alamo was not an act of war because the defenders were not soldiers?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/20/2021 @ 1:03 pmGreat Article by Brand Rafsenburger
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10317063/Tell-people-times-democracy-stolen-believe-BRAD-RAFFENSPERGER.html
Time123 (9f42ee) — 12/20/2021 @ 10:18 am
Nail on head. Best article I’ve read this year. Thank you, Time.
norcal (3d2db9) — 12/20/2021 @ 1:09 pmNo. But it would make the case stronger. It’s odd that all of the Trump people who we’re supposed to be plotting an insurrection were texting trying to stop it. Of course given who we’re talking about that could have all been part of the plan.
On the other hand, it is hard for a large number of people to be individually “waging war” independently but at the same time, ie a protest that turned into a riot doesn’t seem like “waging war”.
frosty (25faca) — 12/20/2021 @ 1:13 pmThe world is coming to an end
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/12/20/log4j-hack-vulnerability-java/
at least online it is.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/20/2021 @ 1:15 pmfrosty, I doubt that the individuals were in on the plan, but an organizer’s motives might lead to a charge that would not reach down to his minions.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/20/2021 @ 1:17 pmTime123 (9f42ee) — 12/20/2021 @ 12:52 pm
And none of those are being pushed by team pro-mandate. When DeSantis pushes monoclonal antibodies it’s framed as an anti-vax position. The pill was a joke until recently and it still hasn’t moved the needle on mandates.
frosty (25faca) — 12/20/2021 @ 1:19 pm@JF@310 So, I provide an example and instead of acknowledging that I did and that you might have to follow through on your pledge, you choose to make excuses as to why it isn’t a good enough example. How does saying they committed an ethics violation constitute a “blanket defense” and how does saying they were misusing their staff a “blanket defense”? Did you mean “where you have issued a blanket condemnation” instead of “hasn’t been a blanket defense”?
However, since you apparently want something more and since you pay a lot of close attention to any posts I make about school systems, you will have noticed that I said this about LA “When I looked at their budget earlier this year, it’s pretty obvious the DO is top heavy and they poured a rather large amount of money down some kind of tech hole. School boards are supposed to stop stupid spending, but mostly they just nod and rubber stamp. My distract adds new positions to the DO all the time despite the fact that we are in declining enrollment and when they cut they cut student facing staff, not DO people. The board could prevent this but doesn’t.”
The rest of your comment is word salad nonsense that you will need to clarify if you’d like a response.
Nic (896fdf) — 12/20/2021 @ 1:24 pm@239, I suppose if you push a therapeutic that’s not currently available as an alternative to a vaccine that is currently available people might have some objections. They might have a lot of objections if you do so as part of a larger conversation where you’re discouraging vaccination. But I’m guessing because you haven’t provided a specific context where he said that.
Once we have the pill as a tool, and understand it’s applications, I would hope that it will have an impact on public policy. Until then I think we need everyone able to get vaccinated to do so.
Data on why that’s a good idea have been provided.
Time123 (9f42ee) — 12/20/2021 @ 1:35 pmUnbelievable and outrageous:
D.C. third-graders were made to reenact episodes from the Holocaust
A Watkins Elementary School staff member told third-graders in library class to reenact scenes from the Holocaust, directing them to dig their classmates’ mass graves and simulate shooting the victims, according to an email from the school’s principal. The instructor was placed on leave Friday.
She allegedly assigned specific roles to students. She cast one student as Adolf Hitler, according to an email from Watkins Elementary School Principal MScott Berkowitz to the third-graders’ parents. He did not name the staff member. That student is Jewish, according to the parent of a student who was asked to participate. At the end of the exercise, the child was told to pretend to commit suicide, as Hitler did.
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“I want to acknowledge the gravity of this poor instructional decision, as students should never be asked to act out or portray any atrocity, especially genocide, war, or murder,” Berkowitz said in the email.
A different parent of a student who was a part of the reenactment said her son had to pretend to be on a train to a concentration camp, then act as if he were dying in a gas chamber. He also had to act as if he were shooting his peers, the parent said. The parent spoke on the condition of anonymity and declined to name the child.
The instructor allegedly made antisemitic comments during the reenactment. The parent said that when the children asked why the Germans did this, the staff member said it was “because the Jews ruined Christmas.”
The instructor asked students after the reenactment not to tell anyone about it, but they told their homeroom teacher, the parent said.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 12/20/2021 @ 1:43 pm………
1. I don’t think everyone was aligned on the plan.
2. It looks like they wanted to delay the process to allow more time for bogus slates of electors to be put forward and/or pressure Pence to refuse to count Biden electors based on the lies about election fraud. When it was clear the assault wasn’t helping them they wanted to change directions and moved on to damage control.
But that’s based on what I’ve seen in media reports and might be incomplete.
Time123 (9f42ee) — 12/20/2021 @ 1:46 pmKevin M (ab1c11) — 12/20/2021 @ 1:17 pm
Those walls, they still be a closing in.
frosty (30e2f8) — 12/20/2021 @ 1:49 pm@235, Thanks NorCal. I’m glad you liked it.
Time123 (9f42ee) — 12/20/2021 @ 1:50 pmWhy Trump appears deeply unnerved as Capitol attack investigation closes in
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The former president in recent weeks has complained more about the investigation, demanding why his former White House chief of staff, Mark Meadows, shared so much material about 6 January with the select committee, and why dozens of other aides have also cooperated.
Trump has also been perturbed by aides invoking the Fifth Amendment in depositions – it makes them look weak and complicit in a crime, he has told associates – and considers them foolish for not following the lead of his former strategist Steve Bannon in simply ignoring the subpoenas.
When Trump sees new developments in the Capitol attack investigation on television, he has started swearing about the negative coverage and bemoaned that the House minority leader, Kevin McCarthy, was too incompetent to put Republicans on the committee to defend him.
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The former president is especially attuned to his potential for legal exposure, even as he maintains he did nothing wrong in conferring about ways to overturn the 2020 election and encouraging supporters to march on the Capitol. He has expressed alarm to associates about repeated defeats in court as he seeks to stop the select committee obtaining some of the most sensitive of White House documents about 6 January from the National Archives, on grounds of executive privilege.
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The trouble for Trump – and part of the source of his frustration, the sources said – is his inability, out of office, to wield the far-reaching power of the executive branch to affect the course of the inquiry.
The limited success of strategies he hoped would stymie the committee – ordering aides to defy subpoenas or launching legal challenges to slow-walk the release White House records – has been jarring for Trump.
“I think what he’s finding is that as the ex-president, he has a lot less authority than he did as president. But his playbook doesn’t work if he’s not president,” said Daniel Goldman, former lead counsel in the first House impeachment inquiry into Trump.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 12/20/2021 @ 2:25 pm……….
A spokesperson for Trump did not respond to requests for comment.
Dallas QAnon Cultists Are Drinking Toxic Chemicals from A Communal Bowl, Family Says
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Multiple members of the Leek family confirmed that their relative, who left her husband and children behind in Delaware to follow a fringe QAnon cult leader to Dallas last month, has been drinking a chemical cocktail containing chlorine dioxide, an industrial disinfectant, among other substances.
Their relative has been drinking this cocktail alongside her fellow cult members and has been the one to mix it up and distribute it amongst the group as well, says family, who have declined to reveal the name of their relative in the group.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 12/20/2021 @ 2:30 pm………
Chlorine dioxide is a similar to bleach. It is dangerous to ingest in significant quantities. In April 2020, barely a month after the pandemic hit the U.S., the Food and Drug Administration issued a press release warning people against using chlorine dioxide-based products to fight COVID-19.
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Michael Brian Protzman, the leader of the Dallas cult, couldn’t be reached for comment.
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So Igor Danchenko has Mrs.Clintons lawyers working the” Steal Dossier” scam for him. Interesting. She will make sure she is clear of the debris. Poor Igor.
mg (8cbc69) — 12/20/2021 @ 2:34 pmAccording to Durham’s latest filing, Stuart Sears is a partner at the law firm Schertler Onorato Mead & Sears. Notably, the firm is currently representing the 2016 “Hillary for America” presidential campaign (the “Clinton Campaign”), as well as multiple former employees of that campaign, in matters before the Special Counsel.”
mg (8cbc69) — 12/20/2021 @ 2:55 pmHillary is busy between this and Madam Maxwell.
#266 Nic – Thanks for your thoughts. Here’s some support for one of your points: In 1984, the gap between Reagan’s support among men and women was 4 points (62-58), half as large as the 8 point gap (55-47) in 1980. I think women moved toward Reagan in 1984, in part because they saw him as less likely to start a war than they had thought in 1980.
In general, peace is more important for women than men, and prosperity is more important for men than women. Example: One reason Eisenhower was so popular among women is that he ended the Korean War.
(That difference starts very early; from my observations, I would say that little girls start wanting to take care of younger siblings by two or three, and that little boys start thinking they should protect their younger siblings by about three or four.)
Jim Miller (edcec1) — 12/20/2021 @ 3:02 pmTime123 (9f42ee) — 12/20/2021 @ 1:35 pm
Monoclonal antibody treatment is currently available. I wouldn’t describe it as an alternative to a vaccine. It would be part of an everything on the table plan. I’m confident that won’t stop you from implying I’m saying something else.
The number of people “discouraging vaccination” as part of “a larger conversation” is vanishingly small and I’m not part of it. This is more a strawman invented by people needing a scapegoat for why the One True Plan isn’t working.
Speaking of vague; who is the “you” and “he” or the “they” who “might” have objections.
The gimmick you’ve got of pretending you don’t remember any of the comment threads we’ve had here and how I’m being vague and odd and confusing is clever. Do you think it’s working?
frosty (f27e97) — 12/20/2021 @ 3:27 pm‘@320. Even Jane Fonda was not charged with treason (or any crime) after visiting North Vietnam and posing for pictures’
Nor was The Big Dick. And he should have been- thousands of lives and millions of dollars would have been saved:
Nixon’s Vietnam Treason
https://www.counterpunch.org/2014/08/13/nixons-vietnam-treason/
“Interesting that the only two jobs you think I am qualified for are a secretary and a prostitute.” – Jane Harper [Jane Fonda] ‘Fun With Dick And Jane’ 1977
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/20/2021 @ 3:42 pmYeah, the space program lost a great rocket scientist when Jane Fonda chose an acting career.
nk (1d9030) — 12/20/2021 @ 3:49 pm@341, Not making any assertions about what your point is.
Time123 (9f42ee) — 12/20/2021 @ 3:49 pmhttps://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2021/12/18/pot-industry-in-california-on-verge-of-collapse-n1542547
mg (8cbc69) — 12/20/2021 @ 4:54 pmOnly in Cantafordya.
Black women? They vote in significantly larger numbers than black men and they vote Democrat.
nk (1d9030) — 12/20/2021 @ 5:02 pm@343. Yeah, the space program lost a great rocket scientist when Jane Fonda chose an acting career.
Not really:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBsE9s7IWzw
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/20/2021 @ 5:03 pmhttps://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2021/12/18/pot-industry-in-california-on-verge-of-collapse-n1542547
Only in Cantafordya.
mg (8cbc69) — 12/20/2021 @ 4:54 pm
I knew from the outset that if governments overtaxed or overregulated legal pot then the black market would continue to thrive. It’s simple economics.
norcal (3d2db9) — 12/20/2021 @ 5:03 pmNor was The Big Dick. And he should have been- thousands of lives and millions of dollars would have been saved:
Still not treason by constitutional definitions.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 12/20/2021 @ 5:13 pmAs a gardner it has always bothered me that these dope growers use insane amounts of water in the hydroponic method as well as electricity for lights, dehumidifiers, fans and on and on. Its a fricking joke. The people of Cantafordya are so environmentally stupid to allow these dope growers access to utilities. Save the little fish and let real farmers go broke. Idiots.
mg (8cbc69) — 12/20/2021 @ 5:19 pm@349. You should take it up w/George Will.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/20/2021 @ 5:51 pmPot is for lowlifes and there are not enough lowlifes with enough money to support a healthy market.
nk (1d9030) — 12/20/2021 @ 6:07 pm‘Pot is for lowlifes and there are not enough lowlifes with enough money to support a healthy market.’
Lowlifes like Rush Limbaugh, President G W. Bush; Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas… etc., etc.,……
50 Successful Marijuana Users Who Prove The Person Matters More Than The Plant
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/most-famous-marijuana-users_n_5160073
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 12/20/2021 @ 6:25 pmPuffery from the pot racket.
nk (1d9030) — 12/20/2021 @ 6:50 pmI knew from the outset that if governments overtaxed or overregulated legal pot then the black market would continue to thrive. It’s simple economics.
norcal (3d2db9) — 12/20/2021 @ 5:03 pm
Similar thing happened in Colorado, although that’s due more to sheer demand than over-regulation. What’s particularly instructive is how a lot of arguments for pot legalization (which I initially supported) have turned out to be fantastically wrong. Legalization turned the state in to a mecca for bums and burnouts, and it didn’t squelch the black market one iota.
Factory Working Orphan (2775f0) — 12/20/2021 @ 6:57 pmIn Illinois, they’re still pushing medical marijuana, even though recreational marijuana is legal. And by “pushing”, I mean radio ads. With “We know that recreational marijuana is legal, but have you considered the medicinal benefits of medical marijuana?” Trying to make inroads beyond the bums and burnouts.
nk (1d9030) — 12/20/2021 @ 7:11 pm“Pot is for lowlifes and there are not enough lowlifes with enough money to support a healthy market.”
I think you’re drastically underestimating the number of lowlifes.
Davethulhu (014d15) — 12/20/2021 @ 7:24 pmI’ve never tried marijuana. I was mostly a goody-two shoes growing up in Utah. In adulthood, and after I became a Jack-Mormon, I became curious about weed just around the time I got a job with the federal government. Bad timing.
I was of course prohibited from using pot, and subject to random drug tests. After one of those tests, my supervisor, who thought I needed to lighten up, said, “Well, you just had your test, didn’t you?” I appreciated his suggestion, but I didn’t take him up on it.
Now I’m retired and pot is legal. Still haven’t tried it.
I have some friends who jump through a few hoops to buy their stuff. They always go to the dispensary with a dummy buyer (and buy him some reefer for his trouble) because in Nevada one has to provide ID and register in order to buy. My friends are afraid that at some point the list of pot users will be used to deny gun ownership.
norcal (3d2db9) — 12/20/2021 @ 10:02 pmDallas QAnon Cultists Are Drinking Toxic Chemicals from A Communal Bowl, Family Says
Hale-Bopp isn’t coming back for a while. Someone should tell them.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/20/2021 @ 10:40 pmhttps://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/12/three_retired_generals_loudly_demand_a_military_coup_in_2024.html
mg (8cbc69) — 12/21/2021 @ 3:14 amRepublicans have no chance in 2022 or 2024. The tranny rules. Our military is a flucking joke.
https://theaspenbeat.com
mg (8cbc69) — 12/21/2021 @ 3:24 amhttps://www.marijuanamoment.net/john-boehner-is-now-selling-marijuana-stock-tips/
mg (8cbc69) — 12/21/2021 @ 4:34 amRepublican.
So, the new CA legislative maps are out. It appears that the “independent” commission (5 Dems, 5 RINOs and 5 undelcared Dems) have managed to make a gerrymander into a greater gerrymander. ALready controlling 3/4ths of each house of the legislature, the Dems will probably pick up more seats in a 60-40 state (neglecting the “I hate Trump” effect). They may pick up as many as 5 Congressional seats.
But let’s sue Texas.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/21/2021 @ 12:46 pm@363, this Su&*s. Any reporting on why it’s so bad? Did the commission not do their job or were the rules written to drive this type of outcome?
Time123 (9f42ee) — 12/21/2021 @ 12:49 pmBabylon Bee interview of Elon Musk. Starts at 3:30 on the video. It starts with Musk interviewing them – asking how they got started. Interview of Mush starts at about 5:00 Musk used to like the Onion but it’s gone the way of SNL.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaRKd4U6Ixg
Sammy Finkelman (c49738) — 12/21/2021 @ 7:16 pmThe rules are that the members of the commission must be vetted by the legislative leaders, and people can be vetoed. There is no requirement that they have a clue about what they are doing. Five members must be “non-partisan” but in California that means they usually vote Democrat and/or that they are not attuned to politics. Last time they were severely gamed by the Democrats, who sent up a bunch of astroturf “community groups” and ended up tweaking the old gerrymander a little bit.
This time things have changed a lot. The commission people seemed very proud that hey had been able to increase the number of Hispanic districts without reducing black districts. I wonder where the give was.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/21/2021 @ 7:42 pmMaps and commission page here: https://www.wedrawthelinesca.org/final_maps
Read the commission bios here: https://www.wedrawthelinesca.org/commissioners
It’s almost a parody.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/21/2021 @ 7:52 pmRepublican (Berkeley):
No Party Preference (San Jose):
Democrat (Morongo Valley):
(or here)
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/21/2021 @ 8:00 pmDemocrat (La Canada Flintridge)
You nailed it, Kevin. Both sides engage in all sorts of skullduggery when it comes to gerrymandering.
People who say it’s only the mean-spirited Republicans are laughable.
norcal (3d2db9) — 12/21/2021 @ 8:37 pmBTW, those are the first four I looked at.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/21/2021 @ 10:55 pmPeople who say it’s only the mean-spirited Republicans are laughable
Texas is not gerrymandered. It’s a lie.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/21/2021 @ 10:56 pm@371 I didn’t know that. I assume there are Republican states that are gerrymandered in a way favorable to Republicans, no?
norcal (3d2db9) — 12/22/2021 @ 12:01 amThe Rs try but they get caught mid decade and have to redraw (Ohio may preemptively surrendered to that tendency with a 4 year map, pending this) TX, FL and NC have had to so in the 2000s and 2010s. This judicial correction never happens to a Dem drawn / Dem heavy map.
urbanleftbehind (ac83f7) — 12/22/2021 @ 6:09 amIf a gerrymander is indicated by representation that is wildly disproportionate to voting patterns, then Texas is not a gerrymander.
Conversely, if a D+3 state has a legislature that is 70% Democrat and a Congressional de3legation that is 100% Democrat, you might begin to suspect something crooked.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 12/22/2021 @ 12:16 pmLarry Hogan wrote in the WSJ that Maryland is badly gerrymandered, and the lead Dem sponsor of what is touted in part as an anti-gerrymandering bill is from a very gerrymandered district (but he’s apparently not worried)
https://foxbaltimore.com/news/local/maryland-govenor-larry-hogan-wants-maryland-lawsuit-president-biden-new-congressional-map-redistricting-gerrymandering
https://www.wsj.com/articles/merrick-garland-please-sue-my-state-maryland-larry-hogan-texas-gerrymandering-voting-rights-11639757168
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 12/22/2021 @ 12:37 pmhttps://nypost.com/2021/12/21/biden-must-tell-fda-to-stop-blocking-lifesaving-covid-treatments
But that would be politicians overriding the public health experts/
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 12/22/2021 @ 12:43 pmJohn Podhoretz wrote that Joe Biden’s speeech sounded like it combined three different speech drafts.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 12/22/2021 @ 12:44 pmhttps://zububrothers.com/2021/12/22/escape-from-la-more-container-business-flees-to-east-coast/
mg (8cbc69) — 12/22/2021 @ 3:07 pmLeaving Cantafordya.