As in, he has turned himself in to face his criminal contempt charges:
Steve Bannon, a former adviser to former President Donald Trump, turned himself in to the FBI Monday morning after being indicted on criminal contempt charges for refusing to cooperate with the House committee investigating January 6.
Bannon arrived at the FBI Washington field office in a black SUV shortly before 9:40 a.m. He was met by a swarm of media and was defiant when addressing TV cameras outside the building, saying, “We’re taking down the Biden regime.”
Bannon, 67, was charged last week with one count related to his refusal to appear for a deposition and another related to his refusal to produce documents to the House committee investigating January 6. Each count carries a minimum of 30 days and a maximum of one year in jail, the Department of Justice said.
He is expected to appear in court Monday afternoon. The case has been referred to District Judge Carl Nichols, who was appointed by Trump.
Expect a circus this afternoon.
I know some people who dislike Bannon and worry that this makes him a martyr. It does so only in the context of a Republican party that cheers lawbreaking and lawlessness.
Anyway, what is the alternative? Let him thumb his nose at the committee and get away with it?
No. This is necessary. If that makes him a martyr, it only helps illustrate the values of the Republican party — like this tweet from Ted Cruz:
Yes. It’s called the Democratic primary. https://t.co/q31fFvQZOp
— Ted Cruz (@tedcruz) November 13, 2021
As someone noted:
The only thing Cheney deviates on from the mainline GOP is Trump, 1/6, and the legitimacy of the 2020 election. What is Cruz insinuating by saying she should be running in a Democratic presidential primary? https://t.co/4GAgXEn6it
— seanfucious 🦃 (@Seanfucious) November 13, 2021
They are All In on blocking any investigation of January 6. Why is that, do you think?
1) I think that attempting to stonewall an investigation of Jan 6th is likely to backfire.
2) Whether it backfires will depend on how partisan the proceedings appear.
3) I doubt that any lawyer for Bannon (or anyone else) would simply acquiesce to Biden’s unprecedented waiver of Trump’s expectation of privilege. It would not seem to be in their client’s interest to assume the waiver would be upheld.
4) Until the waiver is upheld, this indictment is premature.Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/15/2021 @ 9:03 am
Even though I would like to see Trump imprisoned for an attempted coup, process matters.Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/15/2021 @ 9:06 am
no ham sandwich is safeJF (e1156d) — 11/15/2021 @ 9:15 am
In other news Ted Cruz notices that there is little sunlight between GOPe and D’sfrosty (f27e97) — 11/15/2021 @ 9:16 am
There is little sunlight between Trump and Benedict Arnold.Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/15/2021 @ 9:31 am
That’s where NT, GOPe, and so called RINOS have failed…holding TedToo by the ankles off an even higher balcony than he was held from after the 2016 RNC.urbanleftbehind (c4a7d7) — 11/15/2021 @ 9:35 am
Speaking of partisan operators who refused subpoenas for documents…Paul Montagu (5de684) — 11/15/2021 @ 9:38 am
I am confused — does opposing Trump mean you re for subsidized day care and the climate change mantra. Does noticing that January 6 was pretty awful mean you want that 3 trillion in extra spending?
Good golly Miss Molly!!
I guess if you dislike Biden you must be pro coup d’etat. Judging by the logic I’m seeing deployed here.Appalled (1a17de) — 11/15/2021 @ 9:55 am
Kevin M —
#1 If this were about Mark Meadows, I think you have a point. Bannon isn’t a formal adviser to the President, and his 1-5 podcast suggested foreknowledge of a wild day in the capitol.
There is plenty of reason to call him to a hearing and a lot he knows that would not be covered by even purported Trumpy privelege.Appalled (1a17de) — 11/15/2021 @ 10:01 am
Criminal contempt for Eric Holder. Criminal contempt for Hillary Clinton.
Some animals are more equal than others.NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/15/2021 @ 10:09 am
“does opposing Trump mean you re for subsidized day care and the climate change mantra.”
WHY DO PEOPLE ASSUME I’M FOR LIBERAL POSITIONS WHEN I SHAMELESSLY JOINED THE LIBERAL COALITION AGAINST THE CONSERVATIVE LEADER?
“Does noticing that January 6 was pretty awful mean you want that 3 trillion in extra spending?”
Does using weasel-words like a Democrat lead people to conclude that you’re probably one of their fellow-travelers?
“Good golly Miss Molly!!”
Please use adult swears when not speaking to children.
“I guess if you dislike Biden you must be pro coup d’etat. Judging by the logic I’m seeing deployed here.”
The degree to which Biden actually and openly committed every unforgivably authoritarian act that you falsely accused Trump of means that yes, you should. Especially if you were encouraging removing Trump BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY earlier.DeKevinator (1c64d2) — 11/15/2021 @ 10:18 am
the process is the punishment
just like the mueller nonsenseJF (e1156d) — 11/15/2021 @ 10:18 am
Because Trump is.
And Trump can;t come out looking good. If it clarifies what Trump did not do, it also clarifies what he did do.
It will, among other things, draw attention to the wrongness of his election complaints.Sammy Finkelman (c49738) — 11/15/2021 @ 10:49 am
For that, he culd also take the 5th amendment, and no one can stop him unless they give him immunity, which Oliver North proved, is unlimited even if they try to make it use immunity. Adam Scgiff said the committee would pay atention to the Department of Justice (which may not want him to have immunity, in case he’s one of the prime guilty persons for riot)
Documents are not covered by the 5th amendment, which applies only to testimony. By the defendant or potential defendant.Sammy Finkelman (c49738) — 11/15/2021 @ 10:53 am
in a civil lawsuit (where there is no immunity against testifying unless someone fears a separate criminal investigation) the word is “liable”
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/15/us/politics/alex-jones-sandy-hook.htmlSammy Finkelman (c49738) — 11/15/2021 @ 10:57 am
Appalled (1a17de) — 11/15/2021 @ 10:01 am
“ALL HELL IS GOING TO BREAK LOOSE TOMORROW.”
But that could mean anything.Sammy Finkelman (c49738) — 11/15/2021 @ 11:02 am
A house fire.
A car wreck.
A fashion plate [if you like goulash.]
A case of media indigestion.
And ‘folks’ will slow down, turn their heads– and look.DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 11/15/2021 @ 11:04 am
People expected a fight between demonstrators and counter-demonstrators, and the mayor of DC and others, were successful in preventing a counter-rally.Sammy Finkelman (c49738) — 11/15/2021 @ 11:09 am
People expected a fight between demonstrators and counter-demonstrators, and the mayor of DC and others, were successful in preventing a counter-rally.
Can they do that? It seems like content-based rules.Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/15/2021 @ 11:12 am
#1 If this were about Mark Meadows, I think you have a point. Bannon isn’t a formal adviser to the President
That may be. Dunno the rules on the “kitchen cabinet.” Or if there are any formal distinctions. This is pretty much a judge-created rule, so all the fine print is probably yet to be developed.
Bannon could have showed up and just repeatedly declined to answer based on this or that privilege. It may be he just wants to be a martyr to The Cause and this isn’t a legal strategy at all.Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/15/2021 @ 11:17 am
I think my problem is that Biden here is being just as disingenuous as Trump, asserting that he’s has bind and release powers over all prior president’s privileged communications. Going back how far, one wonders? Can a future president release papers showing FDR knew Pearl Harbor was coming or LBJ was buying funeral suits on November 21st?Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/15/2021 @ 11:21 am
I see the Bannon contempt and the indictment for it, both, as payback for the border wall fraud pardon he got from Trump. Payback by him to Trump and payback by the government to him.
Rafael Eduardo Cruz should move back to Canada. Backwards.nk (1d9030) — 11/15/2021 @ 11:46 am
“I think my problem is that Biden here is being just as disingenuous as Trump, asserting that he’s has bind and release powers over all prior president’s privileged communications. Going back how far, one wonders? Can a future president release papers showing FDR knew Pearl Harbor was coming or LBJ was buying funeral suits on November 21st?”
Poor argument. That information should have been released as a matter of routine 5 decades later.
There’s a strong reasonable expectation of a statute of limitations for official secrecy on events that happened 50-75 years ago, specifically to prevent either partisan hagiographies or permanent official lies. Even now, the piecemeal drip ‘release’ of tiny parts of the JFK and proceedings by official agencies seems suspicious and
Ditching secrecy rules on extremely recent administrations with obvious partisan motivation has no such justifications. Especially since it’s unlikely to be a blanket release and more likely to be piecemeal partisan drip releases, probably with huge ‘redacted’ sections to avoid context, as has happened from the ‘independent’ (of any public oversight) DOJ.DeKevinator (ded666) — 11/15/2021 @ 11:46 am
1) The courts will rule for Trump on the Executive privilege claim, for those things properly claimed.
2) The Democrats and the MSM (birm) will call this political hackery and agitate again for diminishing the courts.Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/15/2021 @ 11:57 am
Not by refusing a permit, and people wouldn’t have necessarily sought any permit, but by contacting people who would organize it, help organize it, or participate, and the general public, arguing against it, so any attempt to do so fizzled. (I don’t know how exactly they did it. Maybe they did deny a permit.)Sammy Finkelman (c49738) — 11/15/2021 @ 12:05 pm
20. Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/15/2021 @ 11:17 am
But they also wanted documents. No 5th amendment there.Sammy Finkelman (c49738) — 11/15/2021 @ 12:06 pm
I think there’s some law governing executive privilege.
J. Edgar Hoover was warned that the Japanese were cosidering bombing Pearl Harbor by the British double agent Dusko Popov code named TRICYCLE (in many ways the original model for James Bond – in lifestyle) but he didn’t believe him and threatened him with prosecution under the Mann Act because he had taken a girl with him to Hawaii. He never told FDR.
Later on, in 1946, in an article in the Reader’s Digest, he took credit for discovering the microdot, even though Popov had handed it over to him.
Popov was used to give the Germans very minimal intelligence approved by the FBI so much so that it threatened his credibility and he went back to Europe.
As late as 1982/3, in the American Hiatorical Review there were still people in the FBI defending J. Edgar Hoover.Sammy Finkelman (c49738) — 11/15/2021 @ 12:16 pm
What the guy who likes under age black tranny hookers (d.c. madam’s note book) means is the now populist republican party has chased the neo-con vietnam war draft dodging chicken hawk war mongers over to the democrat party.asset (984d44) — 11/15/2021 @ 12:51 pm
From a relatively thorough, but very partisan, website:
There’s no precedent, but they say the law is against Trump:
The Supreme Court had stated in 1977 that the privilege survives the individual President’s tenure. What if they are political oponents? But does a president have aright to release material that a former president does not want released? I think he probably does.Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 11/15/2021 @ 1:16 pm
And not a soul in the d.c. jail has been charged with insurrection.mg (8cbc69) — 11/15/2021 @ 2:12 pm
Well, first of all, there’s a question over whether many of the communications in question ARE, in fact, privileged.
But even assuming they all were — an assumption I will grant for the sake of argument — the answer should be “all the way back to Washington.” What the president does in his official capacity is ultimately our business. There may be some limited exceptions to this. (Matters of national security come to mind, where there would be no way to let the American people know without letting our enemies know.) But the communications of the White House on 1/6 seem highly pertinent to me.
And of course, whoever follows Biden into the office will be able to release HIS official communications, however scandalous they may be. Which I hope he bears in mind when deciding which precedents to set.Demosthenes (3fd56e) — 11/15/2021 @ 2:38 pm
I don’t believe that “executive privilege” has any basis in law, other than what Congress authorized. It’s not mentioned in the index to America’s Unwritten Constitution: The Precedents and Principles We Live ByAmerica’s Unwritten Constitution: The Precedents and Principles We Live By by Akhil Reed Amar (Basic Books, 2012) nor in his previous book America’s Constitution: A Biography (random House, 2005) which should indicate what anovel concept it really is.
There are also questions about Congress’ right to subpoena anything, aside from the purpose of impeachment/
Both of these are truly unsettled law, which is why they have often been resolved by compromise, and one reason why presidents have waived it in the case of investigations of themselves, like Iran Contra and, I think, the Plame affair.
Executive priveiege can be invoked by a president, but it’s purpose is to protect the adviser or apointee, and the appointee can testify if he or she wants to. It just gives him authority to refuse.
It does not require him to, although some winesses seem to think so, and even refuse to testify before they hear that a president has decided not to waive it in order, they say, to give a president an opportunity to invoke it.
A subpoena trumps all claims of confidentiality against the witness and maybe even classified information, if the full House or Senate chooses to override it.Sammy Finkelman (c49738) — 11/15/2021 @ 7:37 pm
Banon had his surrender livestreamed and referred to the Biden Administration as the regime a la Rush Limbaugh with – must have been Obama.Sammy Finkelman (c49738) — 11/15/2021 @ 7:39 pm