Joe Biden: Reports of Huge Payoffs to Illegal Immigrant Families Is “Garbage”; White House: Here’s What He Meant to Say
[guest post by JVW]
Another shining moment for “the adults in the room.” At the end of last week, reports from the Wall Street Journal and New York Times declared that the Biden Administration was considering a plan to pay up to $450,000 per child to illegal immigrant families who were detained at the border and separated from their children during the previous administration, with some families with multiple children receiving as much as one million dollars. Naturally, Republicans responded with utter dismay (Oops! I guess the word I am supposed to use is “pounced”). Luckily for the President, he had by then jetted off to Rome (4,500 mile trip) on Air Force One where he made use of an 85-vehicle motorcade en route to The Vatican to share a laugh with the Pope before then swinging up to Glasgow (1,560 mile trip) to join with 30,000 other attendees who had traveled (mostly via airplane) to Scotland to watch the U.S. President nap through a series of speeches demanding that we peons who don’t work for the almighty government drastically reduce our carbon footprint, and thus did not have to immediately answer questions about the proposed payouts to illegal immigrants scheme.
At least, that is, until he returned home yesterday (3425 mile trip). In his first press conference back, Fox News (naturally) reporter Peter Doocey asked the President if the proposed payouts might incentivize more foreigners to attempt an illegal border crossing, and was met with this reply: “If you guys keep sending that garbage out, yeah. But it’s not true.”
When Mr. Doocey followed-up by asking the President if he does believe this is a “garbage report,” the President replied, “Yeah. Four-hundred and fifty thousand dollars per person, is that what you are saying?” When Mr. Doocey responded in the affirmative, the President retorted emphatically, “That’s not gonna happen.”
The report is “garbage”? Well, not according to the ACLU who has apparently been working with members of the administration on this very issue. The original article in the WSJ quoted Lee Gelernt from the ACLU’s immigrant-rights division saying, “President Biden has agreed that the family separation policy is a historic moral stain on our nation that must be fully remedied. That remedy must include not only meaningful monetary compensation, but a pathway to remain in the country.”
And are the payouts, according to the President, really “not gonna happen”? The people whose job it apparently is to tell Joe Biden what he believes are now indicating otherwise. Today, White House Deputy Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre informed reporters that the President is “perfectly comfortable” with settlements if that is what his handlers tell him he needs to believe in order to appease today’s designated preferred activist group (ok, I probably made up that last part myself). Thus, yet again, President Biden displays his uncanny ability to suggest that he isn’t really the decision-maker in the Oval Office, he’s just the public face of what an unelected bureaucratic/media/academic cabal decides is good policy for holding together the increasingly-factious Democrat coalition.
By now it is a well-worn platitude to assert that Joe Biden lacks the intellect, stamina, awareness, or temperament for the job he has been given. But just because the idea is shopworn doesn’t make it any less true. The punishing defeat that Democrats suffered last night (alas and alack, incumbent New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy appears to have squeaked out a narrow win in a race everyone thought he would win going away, but on the bright side the President of the New Jersey Senate lost his race to a truck driver who spent $153 on his campaign) ought to give Democrats pause about pursuing their avowedly left-wing woke agenda, but between Nancy Pelosi’s challenge to Joe Manchin yesterday and today’s acknowledgement that Joe Biden doesn’t know what the hell he is talking about and payments to illegal immigrants is still on the table, it seems pretty clear that Democrats expect to lose the House and/or the Senate in the next year and are simply going to load up on left-wing agenda items while they still can. So much for the aging dinosaur who has spent a half-century helping to make things in Washington so awful somehow becoming a unifier and a healer of our divided nation.
– JVW
I could have constructed an entire post about the folly of Joe Biden traveling over 10,000 miles round-trip and employing an 85-car motorcade in order to meet up with 30,000 other concerned citizens (including Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti, who picked up a case of COVID as a souvenir of his UK trip, very likely paid for by Los Angeles taxpayers one way or another), all to tell the rest of us that we need to use far less fossil fuels. These clowns really expect us to take them seriously. John Kerry no doubt arrived via private jet. The average private jet emits as much carbon every hour as the average person generates over a six-week period.
JVW (ee64e4) — 11/4/2021 @ 3:49 pmWe don’t have a President. We have a figurehead. The ACLU’s simpaticos in the Politburo will slip it through during his nap, he will continue to insist it never happened, and the media will cover the story with a pillow until it stops moving.
nk (1d9030) — 11/4/2021 @ 4:14 pmWhat thwy will telll Biden:
Biden made a camapign promise to – well it wasn’t to pay $450.000 to lawyers to be split with the persons suing
Biden also said he would not interfere with decisions made by the Department of Justice.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 11/4/2021 @ 4:28 pmWhy do I have a feeling that the GOP will take back both Chambers of Congress next year?
nk (1d9030) — 11/4/2021 @ 4:38 pmWhether they do or not depends on Donald Trump.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 11/4/2021 @ 4:40 pmNext year is a long time in the hackarama, nk. Besides even if they do take back both chambers, blanks is what will be fired.
mg (8cbc69) — 11/4/2021 @ 5:36 pmRemember the Obamacare Lesson: if it gets into law, it’s damn hard to get it back out.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/4/2021 @ 5:37 pmunelected bureaucratic/media/academic cabal
The term you were looking for is “politburo.” And Biden isn’t the figurehead; he’s the Zeppo.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/4/2021 @ 5:39 pmWhy do I have a feeling that the GOP will take back both Chambers of Congress next year?
And then they will impeach Biden for senility if he doesn’t take the 25th amendment route. Trump will probably want them to add a charge of election-stealing.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/4/2021 @ 5:40 pmAnother Trump thread…
😞
BuDuh (4a7846) — 11/4/2021 @ 5:48 pmRemember the Obamacare Lesson: if it gets into law, it’s damn hard to get it back out.
Yes indeed. There’s something to be said for the strategy the Democrats have been taking since the Obama years: When you have control of the White House and Congress, push through as much big government nonsense as you possibly can in your two year window. Sure, you’re going to lose at least one house of Congress in your first midterm election, but the programs you put in place are going to be permanent. When Republicans get control of the White House and Congress, they like to respond with — be still my heart! — tax cuts.
JVW (ee64e4) — 11/4/2021 @ 6:32 pmI wrote a 107-word sentence in the first sentence of this post. I believe that is a new indoor record for prolixity from me. Then I utterly smashed that record with a 141-word sentence in the last paragraph. Good Lord, how do you people even read this crap?
JVW (ee64e4) — 11/4/2021 @ 6:37 pmOne-hundred and seventy thousand dollars per person, maybe.
Sammy Finkelman (c49738) — 11/4/2021 @ 6:41 pmOne-hundred and seventy thousand dollars per person, maybe.
Somebody, I forget who, on Twitter had the funny line that we should just give each one of them a Hunter Biden painting, since those apparently have a value that ranges between $75,000 and $500,000.
JVW (ee64e4) — 11/4/2021 @ 6:53 pm“When Republicans get control of the White House and Congress, they like to respond with — be still my heart! — tax cuts.”
The tax cuts cost $2.3 trillion.
Davethulhu (80a3a8) — 11/4/2021 @ 7:04 pmit’s been a bad week for all those smart biden voters
JF (e1156d) — 11/4/2021 @ 7:12 pmRegrettably, after the last five years, I’m becoming accustomed to a president who lacks the “intellect, stamina, awareness, or temperament for the job.”
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 11/4/2021 @ 8:23 pmRegrettably, after the last five years, I’m becoming accustomed to a president who lacks the “intellect, stamina, awareness, or temperament for the job.”
Mostly agree, but I’ll unreservedly give Trump the nod over Biden in terms of stamina. I was always amazed that a guy who was carrying around so many extra pounds always managed to seem invigorated.
JVW (ee64e4) — 11/4/2021 @ 8:35 pmOne-hundred and seventy thousand dollars per person, maybe.
Plus we look the other way about their BS asylum claims.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/4/2021 @ 8:49 pmThe tax cuts cost $2.3 trillion.
You have that backwards. It would have been the LACK of tax cuts that cost $2.3 trillion.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/4/2021 @ 8:49 pmRegrettably, after the last five years, I’m becoming accustomed to a president who lacks the “intellect, stamina, awareness, or temperament for the job.”
We’ve been going downhill since Reagan left office. God only knows what 2024 will bring. I think our string is now worse than 1836-1860.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/4/2021 @ 8:53 pmI was thinking along the same lines, JVW, but then I thought about all those hours Trump spent in “executive time”.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 11/4/2021 @ 9:18 pmI was thinking along the same lines, JVW, but then I thought about all those hours Trump spent in “executive time”.
Yeah, but it pales in comparison to Biden’s 2020 campaign summer of placing a lid on activities by 11:00 am each day.
JVW (ee64e4) — 11/4/2021 @ 9:52 pmI agree that Trump was more energetic in office than Biden is now, JVW, but I’ll say this: There’s a good argument that Trump was one of the laziest presidents in our history, because: (1) a huge chunk of his schedule was in “executive time”, defined as tweeting and watching FoxNews instead of actually doing his job, (2) he spent way more time golfing than any other president, and it wasn’t even close, 298 days, so 20% of his days as POTUS he was hitting balls down fairways, and (3) not only did he not read, he seldom attended Presidential Daily Briefings.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 11/4/2021 @ 10:17 pmI’m being told this administration is so much better than Trump’s, but it’s kind of hard for me to see. What a clown show.
Hoi Polloi (ade50d) — 11/5/2021 @ 4:44 amSo, when someone comes and claims their seeking asylum and we take their children away, and they can’t find them again, what should be the outcome? That’s the claimed harm here.
It seems like we should be able to not do that, it also seems like we owe something to the people harmed, if the claims are true.
Time123 (9f42ee) — 11/5/2021 @ 5:37 amAlso, if I were the Biden White House the message would be; The DOJ is handling these claims. We oppose any settlement and have communicated that to them.
Time123 (9f42ee) — 11/5/2021 @ 5:41 amFrom the article:
I guess they did “find them again.”
As far as “comes and claims asylum,” you may have meant to say “breaks the law by not entering through a recognized port?” If that is the case then should citizen criminals, who go to jail every day for the typical host of crimes, get separated from their children? Bank robbers, rapists, murderers, etc, and their children, should be compensated for the state separating their families.
BuDuh (4a7846) — 11/5/2021 @ 6:33 amThe “asylum seekers” that were deported apparently had no valid claim for asylum when the broke into this country. The DOJ should be suing them for the costs associated with apprehending, housing, prosecuting and deporting them. The illegal alien is the moving party and none of this “trauma” would have happened without their deliberate actions.
BuDuh (4a7846) — 11/5/2021 @ 6:40 amTrump changed the border policy, making every illegal border crossing a felony, thus mandating the separation of children from their parents. They could’ve kept it kept it to a misdemeanor for illegal immigrants with minor-aged kids, but Trump was just too immoral to have that.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 11/5/2021 @ 6:43 amToo bad, Paul. The seekers had a safe haven in Mexico. They chose to commit a felony.
BuDuh (4a7846) — 11/5/2021 @ 6:48 amFrankly, the Bidens, Trump and Obama of the world… I WANT them to be lazy. The more downtime = less time to mess up.
whembly (7e0293) — 11/5/2021 @ 6:52 amYeah, that’s not right.
Tax cuts don’t “cost” anything. It’s more money to those who creates it.
It’s framed as a “cost” because then Congress has less money to spend on things.
whembly (7e0293) — 11/5/2021 @ 6:54 amNo, BuDuh, Trump made it a felony. Unnecessarily.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 11/5/2021 @ 7:17 amSad, that you’re endorsing Trump’s blatant immorality.
True, whembly. I’ve said in the past that I don’t fault presidents for playing lots of golf as it keeps them away from effing things up.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 11/5/2021 @ 7:19 amBuduh, sounds like in some cases it’s been much more then a few months. Am i correct that you feel that separating families is an appropriate or acceptable outcome in this instance?
Time123 (9f42ee) — 11/5/2021 @ 7:35 amWhembly, As long as we’re running a deficit both spending increases and tax cuts are effectively a cost.
Time123 (9f42ee) — 11/5/2021 @ 7:36 am@30 it has been a felony to unlawfully enter the country after being deported since 1929
trump had nothing to do with it
a nut job obama judge made that unconstitutional only this year
get your facts straight
JF (e1156d) — 11/5/2021 @ 7:51 amI guess that means you are endorsing the immortality of the parents.
BuDuh (4a7846) — 11/5/2021 @ 7:56 am…immorality…
BuDuh (4a7846) — 11/5/2021 @ 7:56 ammontagu and Time123 only refer to generalities cuz if you consider individual cases the details turn out to be not so “immoral” in terms of immigration policy
the aclu suit is class action for a reason
the child who was photoshopped onto the Time magazine cover with trump had been taken from the father in honduras without his knowledge and dragged across international borders in harsh conditions by the mother for economic reasons
any american parent doing the same would be separated from the child permanently
payouts like these only encourage this abusive and immoral behavior, for those that actually care
JF (e1156d) — 11/5/2021 @ 8:10 amthe aclu suit is class action for a reason
So the lawyers will get the lion’s share of the settlement. Like Sammy said. And like I said in a previous thread, it’s not a payoff to the illegals. It’s a payoff to the ACLU and to its “volunteer” lawyers from their leftist … ahem excuse me … I meant to say Democratic Socialist cronies in the DOJ.
nk (1d9030) — 11/5/2021 @ 8:17 amJF, it’s funny that your complaint about lack of specific details on the claims has no specific details on the claims.
Time123 (9f42ee) — 11/5/2021 @ 8:26 amFalse. Trump started this “zero tolerance” policy, deciding to criminally prosecute every single illegal border crossing (first-time border crossing offenses are misdemeanors, not felonies), thus forcing parent-child separation, a policy that he reversed some months after implementing it.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 11/5/2021 @ 8:27 am@39, Buduh, there are more then 2 possible choices in this situation. But it starts with how acceptable you feel the long term (I was wrong before when I described it as permanent) separation is.
Time123 (9f42ee) — 11/5/2021 @ 8:28 amBuDuh (4a7846) — 11/5/2021 @ 6:40 am
The grounds for asylum are quite narrow, and Attorney General Jess SEssions made them even narrower. For instance, fear for your life is a good gounds – the fear for your life has to come from the “right” reason – usually the government, not gangs or domestic partners. Still, the reason often is family reunification. All you can really tell is the degree of desperation, you can’t objectively determine the nature of the desperation, and it is foolish to attempt to.
The U.S. government violated its own laws, and also, in many cases, did not attempt to keep track of where the children were so that they could stay in contact.
Of course, there are o lawsuits yet against child protective services and foster care because they are protected by state law, and privacy regulations prevent the creation of class action lawsuits. But here there is no such privacy and there was violation of established asylum and other law.
Sammy Finkelman (c49738) — 11/5/2021 @ 8:28 amFalse. They can be processed through our legal system with introducing evil into it.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 11/5/2021 @ 8:29 amWithout introducing, not with.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 11/5/2021 @ 8:30 am* fear for your life is NOT a good grounds for asylum. The fear for your life has to come for the “right” reason.
People who are entitled to asylum on “good” grounds it may not claim it because there is something else more important to them that is not a legally valid reason.
Sammy Finkelman (c49738) — 11/5/2021 @ 8:32 am@44 nice changaroo there, montagu
your exact words @30 which i responded to:
“Trump changed the border policy, making every illegal border crossing a felony”
False
JF (89b937) — 11/5/2021 @ 8:32 am48. What are you talking about? The legally valid system is evil. It will knowingly send people back to their deaths or to a dangerous place.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/adolfoflores/asylum-seeker-killed-in-mexico
Sammy Finkelman (c49738) — 11/5/2021 @ 8:35 amTime123 (9f42ee) — 11/5/2021 @ 5:41 am
He can’t do that. Joe Biden made a campaign promise not to interfere politically with decisions by DOJ. (there may be an exception for general policy)
That’s why the White House had to gin up that letter from the National Association of School Boards so that Merrick Garland would have some non-political reason to order the FBI to investigate domestic terrorism in connection with schools. They couldn;t just tell Merrick Garland to do it.
Sammy Finkelman (c49738) — 11/5/2021 @ 8:40 amStill pretending you don’t know why they were being “processed through our legal system?”
Haha.
If nothing else, I am pleased that you are an advocate for the Jan 6th defendants and the “evil” that this administration has introduced the process.
Some more links for you to act like you don’t understand:
https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2021/11/04/jan-6-defendant-released-after-investigation-finds-mistreatment-of-prisoners-n470246
https://mobile.twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1456439395536580615
BuDuh (4a7846) — 11/5/2021 @ 8:41 amGood point Sammy.
New proposed messaging “I wouldn’t settle any of these claims. If they have a valid claim they should take it court. But I promised not to interfere with the Department of Justice. I’m going to keep my word here even though I don’t agree with a settlement.”
Time123 (9f42ee) — 11/5/2021 @ 8:43 amTrump didn;t make it a felony – Jeff Sessions started prosecuting some more cases so that he would have an excuse to de[arate children from their parents. (he alternative was releasing the parent along with the children, who could not be legally detained more than 21 days according to a court settlement. The only way to take away custody was to criminally charge the parent.
Sammy Finkelman (c49738) — 11/5/2021 @ 8:43 am@53, A agree we need prison reform. Did you just become aware that this treatment is normal this year?
Time123 (9f42ee) — 11/5/2021 @ 8:45 amI’m not sure what Je Biden;s exact campaign promise was. He also promised to go easier on migrants.
The big bill also does something along those lines:
https://www.chugh.com/build-back-better-bill-passes-house-committee-would-provide-pathway-to-green-cards-for-daca-tps-other-immigrants
That’s something not liable to be able to pass Congress (60 votes in the Senate) on its own and accounts for some of the stubbornness of the progressives. Manchin apparently has no objection to this, but it’s not clear how many progressives care enough about this to give up other things.
Sammy Finkelman (c49738) — 11/5/2021 @ 8:51 amI think Joe Biden didn’t know about these negotiations but may have thought he would be told about it if anything like that was in the works.
Sammy Finkelman (c49738) — 11/5/2021 @ 8:53 am“Tax cuts don’t “cost” anything. It’s more money to those who creates it.”
Let’s eliminate all taxes.
“It’s framed as a “cost” because then Congress has less money to spend on things.”
Conservatives have been saying this for 40 years now. Reducing taxes has never been linked with reduced spending. It’s a dishonest talking point. Taxes were reduced, the deficit went up. That’s a cost.
Davethulhu (6e587c) — 11/5/2021 @ 8:54 am“If nothing else, I am pleased that you are an advocate for the Jan 6th defendants and the “evil” that this administration has introduced the process.”
Nothing was “introduced” for the 1/6 rioters. This is how our justice system works. I’m sorry you’re just finding this out now.
Davethulhu (6e587c) — 11/5/2021 @ 8:56 amMindreading is an intellectually lazy and dishonest practice, BuDuh. One standard, applied to all, including the MAGA zealots criminally charged in Insurrection Day.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 11/5/2021 @ 9:06 amSince you are agreeing doesn’t that mean I read your mind correctly?
BuDuh (4a7846) — 11/5/2021 @ 9:09 amI was talking about Trump’s parent-child separation policy for illegal border crossings, Sammy, not the ins and outs of applying for asylum.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 11/5/2021 @ 9:09 amDave, good luck.
BuDuh (4a7846) — 11/5/2021 @ 9:10 amWhich is what Trump did. Sessions worked under Trump, and the buck stops you know where.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 11/5/2021 @ 9:11 amWas there nothing the parent could have done to avoid this heinous separation? Nothing at all??
BuDuh (4a7846) — 11/5/2021 @ 9:13 am@65 the law was applied, equally to all
what do you think happens to kids whose american parents commit a felony?
a felony that’s been on the books since 1929
JF (e1156d) — 11/5/2021 @ 9:15 ambut then I thought about all those hours Trump spent in “executive time”.
“Work, work, work, work”
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2021 @ 9:30 amYou were already fact-checked on that, JF. You need to move on and figure out a different narrative.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 11/5/2021 @ 9:32 amSo, when someone comes and claims their seeking asylum and we take their children away, and they can’t find them again, what should be the outcome? That’s the claimed harm here.
It seems like we should be able to not do that, it also seems like we owe something to the people harmed, if the claims are true.
The law that existed allowed adults to be immediately sent back, but not kids, who were allowed to stay with parents or relatives while awaiting a formal hearing. To some this meant “make sure you bring some kids, they will anchor you.”
As far as harm, what do we pay someone HERE who is arrested for a charge, held for 30 days in jail, then has the charges dropped for lack of evidence? I’m thinking “nothing.” Sometimes the law sucks.
The correct thing to do, and what Trump eventually did, and what Biden is still doing, is to send the entire family back across the border to wait for their hearing. But it was thew law that was the ass, not (in this case) Trump.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2021 @ 9:39 amHe can’t do that. Joe Biden made a campaign promise not to interfere politically with decisions by DOJ. (there may be an exception for general policy)
Yeah, his hands are tied by his promises. Right. And that will be true until it ceases to be a convenient excuse.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2021 @ 9:44 amWas there nothing the parent could have done to avoid this heinous separation? Nothing at all??
Yes, come to the official border crossing point and say “We want asylum!”
And they all knew that. They also knew that getting asylum was hard. They ALSO knew that if they crossed illegally and got caught “We want asylum!” were magic words that would get them released into the US while they “awaited” their hearing.
Then Trump ordered *horrors* actual enforcement of the law, and ICE started sending the parents back, but not the kids, and until the word got out there were these separations.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2021 @ 9:48 amI would be interested to know what percentage of these kids were reunited, and what percentage were not. Of either set, how many were actually not related to the adults who brought them? It may be that some had parents that were already here, and being brought up by others.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2021 @ 9:50 am@69: just the opposite, montagu
see link @50
or are obama judges such nut jobs that they overturn laws that never existed?
JF (e1156d) — 11/5/2021 @ 9:50 amConservatives have been saying this for 40 years now. Reducing taxes has never been linked with reduced spending. It’s a dishonest talking point. Taxes were reduced, the deficit went up. That’s a cost.
Thank you for clarifying that it isn’t tax cuts that are the cost, but spending that’s the cost.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2021 @ 9:54 am“Thank you for clarifying that it isn’t tax cuts that are the cost, but spending that’s the cost.”
Cut all taxes, there’s no downside.
Davethulhu (6e587c) — 11/5/2021 @ 10:02 amYou’re both right, but Davethulhu is righter. Without concomitant cuts in spending, the cost of tax cuts is passed on to our kids. To quote Billy Joel, “you oughta know by now”.
nk (1d9030) — 11/5/2021 @ 10:28 amJF, you’re mixing things up. It is not a felony for a family to illegally cross the border. Trump ordered that all those families be criminally prosecuted, thus forcing separation parent-child separation. It’s a felony if that family illegally reenters the country, and we’ll see if Judge Du’s ruling is upheld or tossed.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 11/5/2021 @ 10:36 am@78 a first crossing was never a felony, nor was it ever a felony under trump
you asserted otherwise @34, so don’t try to disown what you wrote
you’re the one mixing things up and getting fact checked
as for Du’s nut job ruling, it would need to be appealed by the biden DOJ
guess what will happen… think hard, biden voters
JF (e1156d) — 11/5/2021 @ 10:43 am77. nk (1d9030) — 11/5/2021 @ 10:28 am
Sammy Finkelman (c49738) — 11/5/2021 @ 11:42 amand in some cases they didn;t want to be reunited outside the country, and others have sued because they were offered that choice.
June: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/more-2-100-children-separated-border-have-not-yet-been-n1269918
FebL
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/lawyers-have-found-parents-105-separated-migrant-children-past-month-n1258791
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/migrant-children-family-separation-border-60-minutes-2021-10-10/
Sammy Finkelman (c49738) — 11/5/2021 @ 11:55 amBiden as a lot of pressure to do things differently:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/11/01/opinion/biden-should-compensate-families-separated-border
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/opinion/outlook/article/Essay-To-fix-our-abusive-border-policies-first-16538010.php (starts with something that happened in 1914 when there was no immigration quota from Mexico – there wasn;’t until 1968)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6474826
Sammy Finkelman (c49738) — 11/5/2021 @ 12:03 pmKevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2021 @ 9:50 am
https://www.kxan.com/news/political-news/us-identifies-3900-children-separated-at-border-under-trump
I think 497 of 2,000 plus were not reunited at a certain point. The U.S. government took absolutely no notice of what happened to those deported (some by agreement, sometimes under a misapprehension that ther children would go with them) while their children, who had their own separate asylum case, remained in the USA. They are apparently a lot of the still separated parents.
There is not too much faking of identity although there may be more faking of age.
Sammy Finkelman (c49738) — 11/5/2021 @ 12:14 pm@81 Sulma’s story doesn’t make sense but don’t expect the reporter to confirm the details
she had already come before and had a case open, but what was the status?
she came with her daughters cuz they were threatened by a gang but left her sons
yeah ok
what is the father’s position on the migration?
doesn’t matter, i guess
let’s imagine how this works if Sulma was an american parent
JF (e1156d) — 11/5/2021 @ 12:29 pmRegrettably, after the last five years, I’m becoming accustomed to a president who lacks the “intellect, stamina, awareness, or temperament for the job.”
5 years? More like 50 or so. Regardless of whatever point of the compass you sail from, it’s arguable that the two who sported a solid range of ‘intellect, stamina, awareness, or temperament for the job’ were JFK and– tapes aside venting rage- The Big Dick.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 11/5/2021 @ 1:09 pmUgh.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 11/5/2021 @ 1:33 pmR.I.P. Pat Martino, jazz guitar master
Icy (6abb50) — 11/5/2021 @ 1:43 pmJoe Biden: Reports of Huge Payoffs to Illegal Immigrant Families Is “Garbage”; White House: Here’s What He Meant to Say
Clearly this plane is on autopilot– but who switched it on and set the course; the co-pilot? The stews? The ground crew? T’was not Joe.
They don’t care; it’s not their $, it’s ours. If any aspect of this succeeds, it’ll just be another plank nailed into to the platform to support the longer term effort to legitimize claims for reparations. So you can file this with their rationalizations for other head-shaking decisions.
A government that abandons $85 BILLION in military equipment TO THE ENEMY [the sucker budget pitch being it cost more to return the toys to the store then leave’em out of the box] and sells off two multi-billion dollar supercarriers for scrap literally FOR ONCE CENT A PIECE—- ships which, BTW, given the largess of the Pentagon budget, could have been refitted for further use [perhaps 20 years] as hurricane/disaster relief vessels stationed on the East & West coasts… a government shutting down pipelines and freezing/terminating leases for energy exploration, deliberately forfeiting U.S. energy independence… a government abandoning millions of dollars of steel meant for a border wall and paying off the contractors for NOT building it.
The list goes on and on…
These people are wholly unqualified to be setting any “fiscal policies” given it’s utter incompetence in managing our money. And they work for you and me. Keep it all in mind when you pay your taxes snd ‘fees’. These people aren’t very good at handing America’s finances- especially when they know it’s not their money, but ours.
“There’s only one thing I love more than money. You know what that is? OTHER PEOPLE’S MONEY.” – Lawrence Garfield [Danny DeVito] ‘Other People’s Money’ 1991
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 11/5/2021 @ 1:48 pm@86. Pfizer: COVID-19 Pill Cuts Risk of Severe Disease by 89%
U.S. pharmaceutical company Pfizer announced Friday its new COVID-19 pill showed an 89% reduction in risk of COVID-19-related hospitalization or death in clinical trials and they plan to submit the drug to U.S. regulators for emergency use approval.
https://www.voanews.com/a/pfizer-covid-19-pill-cuts-risk-of-severe-disease-by-89-percent/6301477.html
“Ugh.”
Told ‘ya.
=mike-drop=
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 11/5/2021 @ 1:52 pmSitcom entrance applause of the type reserved for Fonzie, Steve Urkel or Kramer.
urbanleftbehind (17ee0f) — 11/5/2021 @ 1:56 pmThese antivirals have also shown anti-DNA activity. Maybe if you’re dying of Covid that’s not an issue, but without moire information I wouldn’t take one prophylactically.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2021 @ 3:23 pmThe parents of 506 separated migrant children still haven’t been found, however.
Indeed, they might not have been here in the first place.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2021 @ 3:25 pmCut all taxes, there’s no downside.
Take 100% in taxes, there’s no downside there either.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2021 @ 3:26 pm@91: I stand corrected. The Merck drug Molnupiravir (approved in the UK but not the US) shows mutagenic activity, but the Pfizer drug works differently and according to Pfizer has no similar activity:
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2021 @ 3:50 pm🍻DCSCA
mg (8cbc69) — 11/5/2021 @ 3:57 pmCut all taxes, there’s no downside.
Never forget- Joe Manchin, (D) is a senator representing West Virginia.
The distance from, say, Wheeling, WV to Washington, DC is 276 miles by car. The flight distance is 213 miles and takes about 57 mins. And if you want to ‘Go Joe,’ Amtrak train tickets between Wheeling and Washington are priced at usually $34, per ticketio.com. But rather than do the Biden commute thing or lease an apartment alone or buddy up– or secure a good government rate on a residential hotel room, he resides in a house boat in the DC area that was reportedly bought for $220,000, insured for $700,000– and drives a pricy Maserati.
Yet keep in mind, West Virginia is ranked the second to sixth poorest state in the Union, depending on your source and metric. It’s classic disconnect.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 11/5/2021 @ 4:19 pmThe U.S. Constitution contains 4,543 WORDS, including the signatures of 39 of the 55 delegates representing the states and Preamble. It is the oldest and shortest written Constitution of any major government in the world. -source, constitutionfacts.com
Yet Joe, Nancy and Chuck’s $3.5 TRILLION [or TBD whatever $ figure]’Build Back Better’ legislation alone is roughly 2,500 PAGES.This is absurd. And it’s a safe bet most of our legislators have not read this monster.
I believe there should be a law/amendment/rule- whatever it takes, to LIMIT the text of all Congressional legislation to the number or words or less of the U.S. Constitution itself. If you can’t present a proposal in 4,500 words or less, you’re gaslighting something. [Hell, even Twitter limits character and folks manage to zap messages, barbs and POVs successfully w/ease.]
It would make the legislation readable by the legislators in a timely fashion. And before anybody shouts- ‘no- that limits speech– actually, it doesn’t; it merely breaks out any lengthier legislation into smaller parcels of text to allow the content of the legislation to be read and understood by both the legislators– and the electorate. [Even your mother told you to chew your food thoroughly and eat smaller bites.]
Sure- they’d have to read more but in smaller bits, work 5 days a week or longer, and perhaps curtail these extended monthly vacations and such– but hell, that’s what they’re paid so handsomely for– and with generous bennies.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 11/5/2021 @ 4:55 pmCongress should have to read the US Code out loud each year, on TV, before they can begin passing new ones. They can take turns. If I was mean I would add the CFR.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2021 @ 5:01 pmSo, any guesses on who’s actually running things at the whitehouse? Because it’s not Biden.
And I don’t think the 25th will save us from this. It’s not a soft-coup option.
frosty (f27e97) — 11/5/2021 @ 8:19 pm“Take 100% in taxes, there’s no downside there either.”
I’m not the one making the claim that tax policy is cost free.
Davethulhu (fb44c3) — 11/5/2021 @ 9:05 pm84. JF (e1156d) — 11/5/2021 @ 12:29 pm
Se came with her daughters seven years ago. She took her sons later and said they were threatened by a gang. We don’t get the full story.
That could vary from case to case. And there might be more than one father.
Sammy Finkelman (c49738) — 11/7/2021 @ 6:14 pmDCSCA (f4c5e5) — 11/5/2021 @ 4:55 pm
The compromise reached Friday is that they would vote on the big bill by November 1, proided that the Congressional Budget Office scored it as not increasing the deficit.
One way they can do that is to offset 5 or fewer years of spending with 10 years worth of taxes, and some one shots.
They have to put everything into one bill in order to pass it with only 51 votes in the Senate. Joe Biden says he’s for including anything that will get 50/1 votes in the Senate, and tat will determine what’s in it and what’s not.
But there are many people reading parts. The thing is, there is no finalized version of the bill yet. And it will probably be changed in the Senate.
That’s not really a bad idea, but here it is caused by the desire to avoid a filibuster. The small bill was big too because they wanted to get as much into a “bi-partisan” bill (that needed 60 votes in the Senate) as possible. I’m not sure why.
[Hell, even Twitter limits character and folks manage to zap messages, barbs and POVs successfully w/ease.]
It would make the legislation readable by the legislators in a timely fashion. And before anybody shouts- ‘no- that limits speech– actually, it doesn’t; it merely breaks out any lengthier legislation into smaller parcels of text to allow the content of the legislation to be read and understood by both the legislators– and the electorate. [Even your mother told you to chew your food thoroughly and eat smaller bites.]
Sure- they’d have to read more but in smaller bits, work 5 days a week or longer, and perhaps curtail these extended monthly vacations and such– but hell, that’s what they’re paid so handsomely for– and with generous bennies.
Sammy Finkelman (c49738) — 11/7/2021 @ 6:25 pmYou could do it. The objection would be that you maybe might deleate too much discretion to the executive.
Another reason for these gigantic bills is logrolling (and sometimes, a president’s signature, but more often votes in Congress)
Sammy Finkelman (c49738) — 11/7/2021 @ 6:28 pm