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8/27/2021

Weekend Open Thread

Filed under: General — Dana @ 2:30 pm



[guest post by Dana]

With 13 dead U.S. troops, another 11 injured, and around 170 Afghans killed in the bombings in Kabul, it has been a brutal week. Watching it unfold from the safety and comfort of one’s home was bad enough, so I can’t even imagine what it’s been like for those Americans and Afghan collaborators still stranded in Afghanistan today. An update today reports that 5,400 people are inside Kabul’s airport still waiting for flights out of Afghanistan. While the evacuations have been nothing less than incredible when considering the sheer number of evacuees, there will be those who won’t be getting out and those who will likely die at the hands of the Taliban. Officials are saying that there are currently 1,000 Americans still on the ground in Afghanistan. And for any number of Americans stranded in the country after the August 31 deadline, there is no guarantee that they will get out:

And as for the families of those U.S. troops killed, I feel like anything I say would be trite. But I think this says it all:

First news item

I can’t even… :

U.S. officials in Kabul gave the Taliban a list of names of American citizens, green card holders and Afghan allies to grant entry into the militant-controlled outer perimeter of the city’s airport, a choice that’s prompted outrage behind the scenes from lawmakers and military officials.

The move…was designed to expedite the evacuation of tens of thousands of people from Afghanistan as chaos erupted in Afghanistan’s capital city last week after the Taliban seized control of the country. It also came as the Biden administration has been relying on the Taliban for security outside the airport.

[T]he decision to provide specific names to the Taliban, which has a history of brutally murdering Afghans who collaborated with the U.S. and other coalition forces during the conflict, has angered lawmakers and military officials.

“Basically, they just put all those Afghans on a kill list,” said one defense official, who like others spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive topic. “It’s just appalling and shocking and makes you feel unclean.”

On July 8, President Biden said that he does not trust the Taliban, yet nonetheless handed over the list of names to the group:

Q Mr. President — do you trust the Taliban, Mr. President?

Q Is a Taliban takeover of Afghanistan now inevitable?

THE PRESIDENT: No, it is not.

Q Why?

THE PRESIDENT: Because you — the Afghan troops have 300,000 well-equipped — as well-equipped as any army in the world — and an air force against something like 75,000 Taliban. It is not inevitable.

Q Do you trust the Taliban, Mr. President? Do you trust the Taliban, sir?

THE PRESIDENT: You — is that a serious question?

Q It is absolutely a serious question. Do you trust the Taliban?

THE PRESIDENT: No, I do not.

Q Do you trust handing over the country to the Taliban?

THE PRESIDENT: No, I do not trust the Taliban.

Second news item

Pineapple Express saving lives:

With the Taliban growing more violent and adding checkpoints near Kabul’s airport, an all-volunteer group of American veterans of the Afghan war launched a final daring mission on Wednesday night dubbed the “Pineapple Express” to shepherd hundreds of at-risk Afghan elite forces and their families to safety…

Moving after nightfall in near-pitch black darkness and extremely dangerous conditions, the group said it worked unofficially in tandem with the United States military and U.S. embassy to move people, sometimes one person at a time, or in pairs, but rarely more than a small bunch, inside the wire of the U.S. military-controlled side of Hamid Karzai International Airport.

The Pineapple Express’ mission was underway Thursday when the attack occurred in Kabul…

There were wounded among the Pineapple Express travelers from the blast, and members of the group said they were assessing whether unaccounted-for Afghans they were helping had been killed.

As of Thursday morning, the group said it had brought as many as 500 Afghan special operators, assets and enablers and their families into the airport in Kabul overnight, handing them each over to the protective custody of the U.S. military.

Third news item

GET VACCINATED SO PEOPLE DON’T HAVE TO NEEDLESSLY DIE:

When U.S. Army veteran Daniel Wilkinson started feeling sick last week, he went to the hospital in Bellville, Texas, outside Houston. His health problem wasn’t related to COVID-19, but Wilkinson needed advanced care, and with the coronavirus filling up intensive care beds, he couldn’t get it in time to save his life.

[Dr.] Kakli told Begnaud [CBS News] that if it weren’t for the COVID crisis, the procedure for Wilkinson would have taken 30 minutes, and he’d have been back out the door.

“I’ve never lost a patient from this diagnosis, ever,” Kakli said. “We know what needs to be done and we know how to treat it, and we get them to where they need to go. I’m scared that the next patient that I see is someone that I can’t get to where they need to get to go.

“We are playing musical chairs, with 100 people and 10 chairs,” he said. “When the music stops, what happens? People from all over the world come to Houston to get medical care and, right now, Houston can’t take care of patients from the next town over. That’s the reality.”

Fourth news item

Unconstitutional and unenforceable:

At least 10 school districts — including some in many of the largest cities — had been defying state rules set by Gov. Ron DeSantis banning mask mandates.

Judge John Cooper ruled on a lawsuit brought by parents who say DeSantis overstepped his authority when his administration said school districts couldn’t order students to wear masks. DeSantis had warned that “there will be consequences” for districts that defied the ban.

Ruling from the bench at the conclusion of a five-day trial, Cooper said that face mask mandates that follow guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are “reasonable and consistent with the best scientific and medical opinion in this country.” He found that the DeSantis administration violated the law when it banned school districts from requiring masks.

Related (from Texas):

In one instance, a parent physically grabbed the mask off of a teacher’s face. In a separate incident, a teacher was repeatedly yelled at by a parent who requested the teacher take off their mask, claiming they couldn’t hear what the teacher was saying. The events have made waves across the district that consists of nearly 8,000 students and is tucked in the wealthy suburban outskirts of Austin.

Also related:

A Texas man who helped organize protests against pandemic restrictions is fighting for his life after being hospitalized for nearly a month with COVID-19, the San Angelo Standard-Times reported.

His wife, Jessica Wallace, wrote Wednesday on Facebook that she had a “heartbreaking update” about her husband, Caleb.

“He’s not doing good. It’s not looking in our favor,” she said. “His lungs are stiff due to the fibrosis. They called and said they’ve run out of options for him and asked if I would consent to a do not resuscitate. And it would be up to us when to stop treatments.”

Fifth news item

A blow to Newsom and state Democrats:

Vice President Kamala Harris has canceled a planned campaign appearance alongside California Gov. Gavin Newsom aimed at boosting Democratic turnout in the final weeks of the recall election that could force him out of his job.

The vice president’s decision to cancel her trip to her native state followed attacks in Afghanistan that killed at least 12 U.S. service members. She and Newsom were set to appear at a rally south of San Francisco.

Interestingly:

Democrats have tried to nationalize the race, linking the recall effort to Republicans including former President Donald Trump, who has not publicly commented on the contest.

[Ed. I guess now Republicans should try to nationalize the race, linking the recall effort to Democrats including current President Joe Biden and the debacle in Afghanistan...]

Anyway, FiveThirtyEight reports that the latest polls make it too close to call for either side and are well within the margin of error:

The analysis says that 48.8% of California voters oppose the recall. Removal of first-term Gov. Gavin Newsom is backed by 47.6%.

And how is the governor feeling about things these days:

“I’m now feeling the weight of this decision, and a weight of responsibility to defeat this, and also the responsibility that if we fall short, I’m going to own that,” he said. He mentioned to me some of his recent initiatives, including the injection of billions of dollars of federal relief money into the state budget and signing a bill to expand health care to undocumented workers. “If I do fall short, I’ll regret every damn one of those decisions. And I don’t want to have any regrets for putting everything out there and doing … what I think is right and what I think is in the best interest of California.”

Oh, and about the people of California? Well, because of the Delta surge and the calamity in Afghanistan, he’s apparently now able to actually able to reach out to Californians outside of the Bay Area bubble:

He unfolded from his chair at the end of our interview, and buttoned his suit jacket for a picture with the café staff. He left the banana peel and the coffee, barely touched, on the little table beside him. He was supposed to go on a bus tour and hold rallies with Democratic stars such as his old San Francisco–politics rival Harris, but that plan was derailed by Delta too. (After several delays, she announced that she would campaign for him this week, before canceling the appearance hours after an attack in Afghanistan killed U.S. service members.) Still, he had to get moving—he was driving to Los Angeles, not flying, so that he could make stops along the way and talk with voters on his own. Flying over California his whole life, he had “never fully absorbed and appreciated it,” he told me. He’s hoping that the state cares enough to appreciate him, at least a little longer.

Sixth news item

Leave it in place for those who need it:

The Waukesha school board opted out of a federal program giving all students free lunch this year.

It is the only district in the state to do so, and some parents are not happy about the decision.

The federal government offered free school lunches for all nationwide last year because of COVID-19.

The parents who are upset with the district said it helped students whose families are struggling financially and ended the stigma of signing up for free lunches…

The federal pandemic-era lunch program, the Seamless Summer Option, created a level playing field for students to get a free lunch for the whole school year despite family income.

It especially helped those families still suffering financial hardships.

But the Waukesha School District said, “When you compare last summer’s number of meals served to the current summer’s level of participation, it is down 40%. This indicates a lowering in the demand for this program. … When looking at the free breakfast program, especially at the high school level, each student was handed a meal as they walked in the door. This led to a significant amount of uneaten food and meal-related materials ending up in the trash.”

The district also said there’s been a more than 60% decrease in families taking advantage of the permanent free and reduced lunch program.

(IMO: If parents need the help because of financial hardship, pandemic related or not, they should be able to fill out any required paperwork for free meals because no kid should go hungry. But if parents are not suffering financial hardship or unemployment and have the means to feed their kids, then why wouldn’t they do so? I thought feeding our kids was a basic responsibility. No matter the reason, no kid should ever go hungry.)

Also, I don’t know for sure but it sounds like Waukesha School District doesn’t have a program in place in which leftover cafeteria meals are collected daily by local food banks or organizations to hand out to the public needing meals.

Seventh news item

FOR GODSAKE, GET VACCINATED AND WEAR A MASK INSIDE YOUR CLASSROOM!!!:

The outbreak location was an elementary school in Marin County, California, which serves 205 students in prekindergarten through eighth grade and has 24 staff members. Each grade includes 20 to 25 students in single classrooms. Other than two teachers, one of whom was the index patient, all school staff members were vaccinated… The index patient became symptomatic on May 19 with nasal congestion and fatigue. This teacher reported attending social events during May 13–16 but did not report any known COVID-19 exposures and attributed symptoms to allergies. The teacher continued working during May 17–21, subsequently experiencing cough, subjective fever, and headache. The school required teachers and students to mask while indoors; interviews with parents of infected students suggested that students’ adherence to masking and distancing guidelines in line with CDC recommendations (3) was high in class. However, the teacher was reportedly unmasked on occasions when reading aloud in class. On May 23, the teacher notified the school that they received a positive result for a SARS-CoV-2 test performed on May 21 and self-isolated until May 30. The teacher did not receive a second COVID-19 test, but reported fully recovering during isolation.

The index patient’s students began experiencing symptoms on May 22. During May 23–26, among 24 students in this grade, 22 were tested. A COVID-19 case was defined as a positive SARS-CoV-2 reverse transcription–polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) or antigen test result.* Twelve (55%) of the 22 students received a positive test result, including eight who experienced symptom onset during May 22–26. Throughout this period, all desks were separated by 6 ft. Students were seated in five rows; the attack rate in the two rows seated closest to the teacher’s desk was 80% (eight of 10) and was 28% (four of 14) in the three back rows

Eighth news item

Democrat Seth Moulton on his quick trip to Afghanistan:

Seth Moulton saw things during his trip to Afghanistan that were “truly out of this world.” He spent about 15 hours on Tuesday at the airport in the capital city of Kabul, the epicenter of America’s messy withdrawal from the nearly 20-year war there. The Massachusetts congressman described the scene as “the most visceral, raw view of humanity that I will probably ever see in my life,” with “thousands upon thousands” of refugees camped out and “desperate” to fly out of the country, which was overtaken by fundamentalist Taliban forces. The experience left Moulton more convinced than ever that President Joe Biden made grave mistakes in his handling of the exit.

Moulton was on his way back from Kabul in the wee hours of Thursday morning when he spoke to New York about the trip, during a layover in Madrid.

“The thing that everybody needs to understand, even if you completely agree with the Biden administration’s decision to withdraw, the way they have handled this has been a total fucking disaster,” said Moulton, who traveled to the country with Representative Peter Meijer, a Republican from Michigan. “It will be measured in bodies, because a lot of people are dying because they can’t get out.”

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Have a good weekend.

–Dana

459 Responses to “Weekend Open Thread”

  1. Hello. (I’m putting the Weekend Open Thread up early because I have other stuff going on today…)

    Dana (174549)

  2. It’s raining again.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  3. In the Q&A yesterday, President Biden seemed to imply they didn’t hand over a complete list – just those on buses and the like whom they wanted the Taliban to let through checkpoints. and in most cases they did (exceptions not let through or exceptions arrested? You can’t rely on president Biden to make things clear)

    Maybe somebody can research this/

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/08/26/remarks-by-president-biden-on-the-terror-attack-at-hamid-karzai-international-airport

    Q Thank you, Mr. President. There are reports that U.S. officials provided the Taliban with names of Americans and Afghan officials to evacuate. Were you aware of that? Did that happen?

    .….With regard to — there are certain circumstances where we’ve gotten information — and quite frankly, sometimes from some of you — saying, “You know of such and such a group of people who are trying to get out and they’re on a bus, they’re moving…” — from other people — “and this is their location.”

    And there have been occasions when our military has contacted their military counterparts in the Taliban and said, “This…” — for example, “This bus is coming through with X number of people on it, made up of the following group of people. We want you to let that bus or that group through.”

    So, yes, there have been occasions like that.

    And to the best of my knowledge, in those cases, the bulk of that has occurred — they’ve been let through. But I can’t tell you with any certitude that there’s actually been a list of names. I don’t — there may have been, but I know of no circumstance. It doesn’t mean it’s not — it didn’t exist, that, “Here’s the names of 12 people; they’re coming. Let them through.” It could very well have happened.

    The bulk??

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  4. Third news items: What procedure couldn’t be done? It should have been in the article even if three quarters didn’t understand. This way is worse.

    Re: Scientic discoveries useless:

    Details?

    Is he lying because he doesn’t want his funding cut off? Of course conclusions can be twisted.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  5. Sammy, it’s right there at the link:

    Belville emergency room physician Dr. Hasan Kakli treated Wilkinson, and discovered that he had gallstone pancreatitis, something the Belville hospital wasn’t equipped to treat.

    “I do labs on him, I get labs, and the labs come back, and I’m at the computer, and I have one of those ‘Oh, crap’ moments. If that stone doesn’t spontaneously come out and doesn’t resolve itself, that fluid just builds up, backs up into the liver, backs up into the pancreas, and starts to shut down those organs. His bloodwork even showed that his kidneys were shutting down.”

    Kakli told Begnaud that his patient was dying right in front of him. Wilkinson needed a higher level of care, but with hospitals across Texas and much of the South overwhelmed with COVID patients, there was no place for him.

    Dana (61aedd)

  6. At least there are no mean tweets. So there is that.

    K D (4a8be4)

  7. All it says was higher level of care. Dialysis?

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  8. Sorhan Sirhan granted parole. LA DA did not oppose, because he says he never participates in parole hearings since they said what had to say at the trial. Two of RFK’s son spoke in favor. Only Larry Elder, if he becomes governor, can block release.

    Although it will come up again anyway.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  9. An important data point from the Houston ICU story:

    Harris County Judge Lina Hidalgo told Begnaud that she was prepared to open a field hospital, but as of Friday morning, hospitals in the Houston area were telling her they had extra beds — but not enough nurses. Seven hundred nurses arrived last week, but it’s still not enough to meet the demand.

    Extra beds????

    I wonder if the story could have had a parallel universe version where the author joyfully discusses the state of affairs without vaccine mandates on healthcare professionals and the potential exact opposite of the sad outcome for the veteran.

    BuDuh (fdd65e)

  10. Oh the problem was he couldn’t be transferred to another hospital because they were full.

    Kidney shutdown was only the final stage.

    If somebody had tried hard enough they could have made one of the patients elsewhere into an outpatient pr medivacked him far away/.

    But it’s first come first served

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  11. European flights out of Kabul have ceased. American civilian flights will soon also. This doesn;t go until Aug 31. They need to get the troopd out too. Biden warned of another terrorst attack.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  12. Dana, more of your photos, please!!!!

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  13. The story is really lean on details. The vet was in the ER bed for 7hrs but they don’t say how much of that was before the diagnosis. The doctor said he knew what was wrong as soon as he saw the labs but they don’t say how much time that process took. The doctor says that the vet would have been out the door in 30 min if he got the correct procedure but he also said that the lab work he performed “showed that his kidneys were shutting down.”

    Maybe that is a 30min outpatient process?

    Sadly this vet is being used as agitprop, IMO.

    BuDuh (fdd65e)

  14. The story also details that he passed away 24hrs after he walked into the ER. The story makes you think he was at the ER for only 7hrs. How long was helicopter ride and checking in at the VA? Patients who arrive by air ambulance don’t get pushed into a corner and get ignored. They would have been right on the vet’s care. If he was in total organ failure by the time the VA took over, my suspicion is that he spent a lot more time at the ER waiting for a diagnosis.

    BuDuh (fdd65e)

  15. Since George W Bush was President when Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans, the Democrats claimed that it was his fault. Since Joe Biden is President as Hurricane Ida is targeting New Orleans, the Democrats will say that it is Donald Trump’s fault.

    The libertarian, but not Libertarian, Dana (3867c9)

  16. You gradually withdraw your troops (that would be 99% Obama and 1% Trump, BTW), until you have 2,500 essentially trapped in a pocket surrounded by the enemy.
    Do you send a relief force to take them out safely?
    Or do you leave it to them to get themselves out but not before evacuating an unknown number of civilians?
    Do you call this $715 billion circus of yours a military?

    nk (1d9030)

  17. That’s $715 billion a year, to be clear.

    nk (1d9030)

  18. and they cant beat cavemen with small arms and toyotas, nk

    mg (8cbc69)

  19. The story seems pretty straightforward to me. The veteran spent 7 hours waiting for an ICU bed. The doctor, who is familiar with similar cases, believes that the delay was fatal.

    Davethulhu (aa6793)

  20. 11.European flights out of Kabul have ceased. American civilian flights will soon also.

    It’s more than fair to submit that United States civilian air carriers have donated more than their share of aircraft dealing w/frigging Towelheads.

    See the twin tower World Trade Center complex, the Pentagon and Shanksville, Pennsylvania for details.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  21. 16.You gradually withdraw your troops (that would be 99% Obama and 1% Trump, BTW), until you have 2,500 essentially trapped in a pocket surrounded by the enemy.

    Do you send a relief force to take them out safely?
    Or do you leave it to them to get themselves out but not before evacuating an unknown number of civilians?
    Do you call this $715 billion circus of yours a military?

    Operation Berlin (25–26 September 1944) was a night-time evacuation of the remnants of the beleaguered British 1st Airborne Division, trapped in German-occupied territory north of the Lower Rhine in the Netherlands during Operation Market Garden in the Second World War. The aim of the operation was to withdraw safely the remnants of the division while covered by the 1st Polish Parachute Brigade and surrounded on three sides by superior German forces and in danger of being encircled and destroyed.

    The operation evacuated approximately 2,400 men of the British 1st Airborne Division, ending Market Garden, the Allied plan to cross the Rhine and end the war in Europe by the end of 1944.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Berlin_(Arnhem)

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  22. Dr. Anthony Fauci and the rest of President Biden’s COVID advisors have been proven wrong about “the science” of COVID vaccines yet again. After telling Americans that vaccines offer better protection than natural infection, a new study out of Israel suggests the opposite is true: natural infection offers a much better shield against the delta variant than vaccines.

    The study was described by Bloomberg as “the largest real-world analysis comparing natural immunity – gained from an earlier infection – to the protection provided by one of the most potent vaccines currently in use.” A few days ago, we noted how remarkable it was that the mainstream press was finally giving voice to scientists to criticize President Biden’s push to start doling out booster jabs. Well, this study further questions the credibility of relying on vaccines, given that the study showed that the vaccinated were ultimately 13x as likely to be infected as those who were infected previously, and 27x more likely to be symptomatic.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/ends-debate-israeli-study-shows-natural-immunity-13x-more-effective-vaccines-stopping

    Plenty of messengers to shoot at this link. The data, though, is quite a bit more bullet proof.

    Too bad the nurses got fired before this study came out.

    BuDuh (fdd65e)

  23. I’m glad the story was written to your criteria, Dave.

    BuDuh (fdd65e)

  24. Sirhan Sirhan is granted parole:

    The decision was a major victory for the 77-year-old prisoner, though it does not assure his release.

    The ruling by the two-person panel at Sirhan’s 16th parole hearing will be reviewed over the next 90 days by the California Parole Board’s staff. Then it will be sent to the governor, who will have 30 days to decide whether to grant it, reverse it, or modify it.

    Dana (174549)

  25. “Too bad the nurses got fired before this study came out.”

    offers a much better shield against the delta variant than vaccines

    Because up until that

    In today’s MMWR, a study of COVID-19 infections in Kentucky among people who were previously infected with SAR-CoV-2 shows that unvaccinated individuals are more than twice as likely to be reinfected with COVID-19 than those who were fully vaccinated after initially contracting the virus. These data further indicate that COVID-19 vaccines offer better protection than natural immunity alone and that vaccines, even after prior infection, help prevent reinfections.

    https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-protection.html

    Davethulhu (aa6793)

  26. “I’m glad the story was written to your criteria, Dave.”

    I know you’re Just Asking Questions, but do you think the doctor was wrong? Was he lying? Or is it “there’s no way to know what would have happened”?

    Davethulhu (aa6793)

  27. Squeaky was paroled a few years ago, too.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  28. Wash Post: “The 2021 Sturgis Motorcycle Rally has already been tied to 121 #COVID19 cases (& counting) spread out over 5 different states. Because it’s still too early to tell if these cases will lead to outbreaks of their own, the situation deserves close monitoring”.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/08/26/sturgis-motorcycle-rally-covid-cases/

    “You have to get 11 paragraphs in to get the vehicle count which would amount to 0.019% infection rate.”

    https://twitter.com/HOLYSMKES/status/1431350434048794627?s=20

    Obudman (6228e1)

  29. My memories of the evening RFK was shot and eventually dying are quite vivid. A lot more died that night than just him. And one can’t help but notice that ol’Joe has a bust of RFK behind his chair in the Oval. Lest you forget or weren’t alive then:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTeW-wkin6A

    Granting any parole to this POS is just idiotic.

    He should be dining tonight… with Beau, eh Joe?

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  30. “In one instance, a parent physically grabbed the mask off of a teacher’s face.”

    from the same article:

    “The names of those involved and the location of the elementary school where the incidents took place have not been released.”

    surprisingly no dog muzzles were involved

    JF (e1156d)

  31. anyone who thinks kids wearing masks in a school setting does anything either doesn’t have kids, or they’re being politically theatrical

    JF (e1156d)

  32. Squeaky was in federal prison, and Sirhan is in state prison. There is no way Sirhan will be paroled by any governor.

    Rip Murdock (46eeea)

  33. @33. They killed two guys in a car.

    BFD.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  34. @5

    Sammy, it’s right there at the link:

    Belville emergency room physician Dr. Hasan Kakli treated Wilkinson, and discovered that he had gallstone pancreatitis, something the Belville hospital wasn’t equipped to treat.
    “I do labs on him, I get labs, and the labs come back, and I’m at the computer, and I have one of those ‘Oh, crap’ moments. If that stone doesn’t spontaneously come out and doesn’t resolve itself, that fluid just builds up, backs up into the liver, backs up into the pancreas, and starts to shut down those organs. His bloodwork even showed that his kidneys were shutting down.”

    Kakli told Begnaud that his patient was dying right in front of him. Wilkinson needed a higher level of care, but with hospitals across Texas and much of the South overwhelmed with COVID patients, there was no place for him.

    Dana (61aedd) — 8/27/2021 @ 3:19 pm

    This story doesn’t make sense as it smacks of exaggeration.

    I work for a large hospital system. I’ve also traveled to attend to other large hospitals systems (ie, Mercy in midwest, Mayo Clinic and many hospitals in Florida).

    The ICU department are not fixed number of beds and most institutions have large PRN staff to surge when census is high. When census is high, additional ICU/recovery beds can be activated.

    The thing to watch out for is if the hospital systems stops/delays elective procedures and I’ve yet to see any credible reports that it’s happening. (note: elective surgeries are the money-makers for hospitals and at the beginning of the pandemic, hospitals did do that. But, the accounting to keep those place running were brutal and as such, it won’t happen again).

    Yes, the hospitals are busy and census are routinely high. But, that doesn’t mean someone is going without the services they need. IF they are, its usually something else, not because the covid patients are taking up the ICU beds.

    Point in fact: Every major hospital system are obligated to have polices to activate M*A*S*H installations (Mobile Army Surgical Hospital) in times of disasters in case the building is overwhelm. We’ve yet to see that yet. (although we are seeing alternative tent triage centers in some locations to pre-screen).

    whembly (ae0eb5)

  35. Breaking-

    The U.S. launches a reprisal strike and warns Americans to leave the Kabul airport immediately.

    When will those ships get there?

    nk (1d9030)

  36. @32. Parole is parole is parole.

    One attempted assassinating a POTUS; the other assassinated a presidential candidate and U.S. Senator. Then there’s these burdens on the coffers of the taxpayers from wikiaimfocusshoot.notapolaroid.clickbang:

    ‘Sara Jane Moore, the woman who tried to assassinate President Gerald Ford in 1975 and missed him by six inches, is back in prison after 12 years of freedom. She was given a life sentence for the attempted assassination and was released from prison on December 31, 2007, after serving 32 years. In February 2019, Moore was arrested for violating her parole by failing to tell her parole officer of a trip out of the country; she was subsequently released in August 2019.’

    ‘Arthur Bremer attempted to assassinate U.S. Democratic presidential candidate George Wallace on May 15, 1972, in Laurel, Maryland, which left Wallace permanently paralyzed from the waist down. Bremer was found guilty and sentenced to 63 years (53 years after an appeal) in a Maryland prison for the shooting of Wallace and three bystanders. After 35 years of incarceration, Bremer was released from prison on November 9, 2007’

    ‘John Hinckley Jr. is known for his attempted assassination of U.S. President Ronald Reagan in Washington, D.C. on March 30, 1981. Using a .22 caliber revolver, he wounded Reagan, police officer Thomas Delahanty, and Secret Service agent Tim McCarthy. He critically wounded Press Secretary James Brady, who was permanently disabled in the shooting. On July 27, 2016, a federal judge ruled that Hinckley could be released from St. Elizabeths on August 5, 2016 as he was no longer considered a threat to himself or others.

    Hinckley was released from institutional psychiatric care on September 10, 2016, with many conditions. He was required to live full-time at his mother’s home in Williamsburg. In addition, the following prohibitions and requirements were imposed on him.On November 16, 2018, Judge Friedman ruled Hinckley could move out of his mother’s house in Virginia and live on his own upon location approval from his doctors. As of September 2019, Hinckley’s attorney said he plans to ask for full, unconditional release by the end of the year from the court orders that determine where he can live.

    On June 6, 2021, Hinckley stated in a Youtube video that he was working on an album and looking for a record label to release it.’

    Reaganomics!

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  37. @36. BFD- Two guys in a used Toyota killed w/a $100K Hellfire missile. Might as well been in an accident on the Garden State Parkway.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  38. Monsoon Rains Just Washed Away Trump’s ‘Impenetrable’ Border Wall
    ………
    A photo of Trump’s “impenetrable” wall of rusted steel bollards taken near the San Bernardino National Wildlife Refuge along the Arizona border with Mexico shows large floodgates ripped from their hinges amid piles of debris after days of monsoon rainfall.
    ……..
    The floodgates are left open during the summer months when heavy rainfall and flash flooding is most likely to occur. ……
    ………
    Since construction of the wall began, videos have circulated of migrants easily climbing the bollards, six-inch thick squares of steel reinforced with rebar and concrete, including with rope or extension ladders. Human smugglers have also cut through the bollards using cheap tools that can open a gap in the wall in a matter of minutes.
    ………

    Rip Murdock (46eeea)

  39. Great- Joe’s going back to ‘Body Count’ days– lose 13; kill 2 w/ thousands still vulnerable and in country.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  40. Biden, Fauci discuss requiring COVID booster shots every 5 months

    https://nypost.com/2021/08/27/biden-and-fauci-discuss-covid-19-booster-shots-every-5-months/

    Obudman (6228e1)

  41. The U.S. launches a reprisal strike and warns Americans to leave the Kabul airport immediately.

    Things to come: they weren’t wearing their masks.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  42. Monsoon Rains Just Washed Away Trump’s ‘Impenetrable’ Border Wall

    The “Best If Used By November 8, 2020” stamp should have been dead giveaway. Emblematic of Trump’s Presidency. Emblematic of Trump. Nothing that lasts beyond the point of sale.

    nk (1d9030)

  43. Sixth Circuit Upholds School Mask Mandate Against Free Exercise Clause Challenge
    From Resurrection School v. Hertel, decided yesterday by Judge Karen Nelson Moore joined by Judge Bernice Donald:

    [Plaintiffs assert] that [the Michigan Department of Health and Human Service’s] (MDHHS) mask requirement for students in grades K–5 violates Resurrection School’s sincerely held religious beliefs because it interferes with the school’s religiously oriented disciplinary policies and prevents younger students from partaking fully in a Catholic education. The declarations submitted by the Plaintiff parents assert that their children find masks uncomfortable and distracting from their religious education, and that the mask requirement conflicts with “the right [as a parent] to choose a school for them which corresponds to their own convictions.” {In their initial Complaint, Plaintiffs also argued that “[i]n accordance with the teachings of the Catholic faith, Resurrection School believes that every human has dignity and is made in God’s image and likeness. Unfortunately, a mask shields our humanity. And because God created us in His image, we are masking that image.”}
    ………
    In the present case, the district court … correctly concluded that because the requirement to wear a facial covering applied to students in grades K–5 at both religious and non-religious schools, it was neutral and of general applicability….

    In Tandon v. Newsom, the Supreme Court concluded (that)……… “[G]overnment regulations are not neutral and generally applicable, and therefore trigger strict scrutiny under the Free Exercise Clause, whenever they treat any comparable secular activity more favorably than religious exercise.”
    ……..
    …….. [T]he proper comparable secular activity in this case remains public and private nonreligious schools.

    Even under this broader conception of comparable secular activity, the MDHHS orders are not so riddled with secular exceptions as to fail to be neutral and generally applicable. The exceptions to the MDHHS Orders were narrow and discrete.
    ……..
    Plaintiffs cite the Supreme Court’s recent decision in Our Lady of Guadalupe School v. Morrissey-Berru (2020), for the principle that “[t]he First Amendment protects the right of religious institutions ‘to decide for themselves, free from state interference, matters of church government as well as those of faith and doctrine.'” … In Our Lady of Guadalupe School, the Supreme Court concluded that a form of immunity from employment-discrimination claims brought by certain employees, the ministerial exception, extended to two teachers who taught religion and participated in religious activities. The Supreme Court, however, emphasized that religious institutions’ ability to decide “matters of church government” and “faith and doctrine,” “does not mean that religious institutions enjoy a general immunity from secular laws.” MDHHS Orders requiring all persons ages five and older to wear a mask in public—including in the classroom—is not comparable to infringing on the school’s authority to select their ministers and religious educators….
    ………

    Rip Murdock (46eeea)

  44. If they knew this towelhead was a ‘planner’ and how and where to target him, had competent management popped him a month ago… or 3 days ago– 13 of our guys might still be alive.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  45. Obudman (6228e1) — 8/27/2021 @ 7:43 pm

    I can think of a few things Biden and Fauci can themselves do periodically.

    frosty (f27e97)

  46. Marine officer relieved of duty after calling out senior leaders about Afghanistan
    ……..
    Marine Lt. Col. Stuart Scheller posted on Facebook that he has “been relieved for cause based on lack of trust and confidence as of 14:30 today.”

    “My chain of command is doing exactly what I would do…if I were in their shoes. I appreciate the opportunities AITB command provided,” Scheller said in his post. He said he wouldn’t be making statements to news organizations until he officially exits the Marine Corps.
    ………
    In the roughly five-minute video posted Thursday, Scheller upbraided military brass over the way the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan has been carried out and called for them to take ownership for the chaotic events of the past few weeks.

    “Did any of you throw your rank on the table and say, ‘Hey, it’s a bad idea to evacuate Bagram Airfield, a strategic airbase, before we evacuate everyone’?” Scheller, in uniform, said in the video. “Did anyone do that? And when you didn’t think to do that, did anyone raise their hand and say, ‘We completely messed this up’?”
    …….
    “Without that, the … higher military ranks are not holding up their end of the bargain,” he said. “I have been fighting for 17 years. I am willing to throw it all away to say to my senior leaders, ‘I demand accountability.’”
    ……..
    He said he was willing to risk severe sanctions for speaking out if it brings further attention to the questions he raised of military leadership.
    …….

    Rip Murdock (46eeea)

  47. Masks don’t work in Biden country
    https://www.sfgate.com/coronavirus/article/CDC-teacher-Delta-COVID-outbreak-Marin-Bay-Area-16417114.php

    Kids were masked, 6 feet apart, door wide open for ventilation, air purifier in use.
    Non Vaxxed teacher lowers mask to read aloud and, well, off we go

    Most interesting things for me is 6 of 12 kids positive showed no symptoms, and everyone recovered just fine so far

    steveg (ebe7c1)

  48. @47. Echoes of Billy Mitchell.

    “In the scope of history, Vietnam is not going to be a big deal. It won’t float to the top as a major endeavor.” – General William Westmorland

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  49. Afghanistan dims Biden’s light — even for liberal journalists

    It should come as no surprise that Joe Biden, who has spent his adult life in the world of politics, is – what else? – a politician, one whose No. 1 priority (despite what he says) is emerging from this with his reputation intact.

    But it’s not just his reputation that’s on the line. It’s also the reputation of his allies in the media who are being scrutinized – by an American public that didn’t have much trust in journalists to begin with.

    It’s one thing to go easy on the president regarding the mess he exacerbated at our southern border. It’s easy enough to ignore his stumbling rhetoric, his word-salad incoherence from time to time. The media could play down the confusion coming from his administration about masks. But minimizing the chaos in Afghanistan would be a bridge too far, even for liberal journalists.

    You know Joe Biden is in trouble when even his most loyal allies in the world of journalism are calling into question his competence.

    And I suspect that a lot of journalists understood what was at stake in the way they covered the story: Not just Joe Biden’s credibility, but also their own. They couldn’t risk squandering what little credibility they still have – not even for a pol they were rooting for to defeat a man they loathed. So they did their job, for a welcome change.

    JF (e1156d)

  50. The Taliban Is Hunting Down, Killing Afghans Using Biometric Data Gathered And Then Abandoned By The US

    A Taliban special unit called Al Isha is reportedly using American-made biometric equipment and data left behind in Afghanistan to hunt down Afghans who assisted U.S. and coalition forces.

    Nawazuddin Haqqani, a brigade commander over Al Isha, reportedly said in an interview with Zenger News that the special unit is using hand-held biometric scanners taken from the U.S. military and a U.S. biometric database to identify anyone who worked with NATO or Indian intelligence.

    Haqqani reportedly told Zenger News that the Al Isha unit has more than doubled in size over the past month and now includes nearly 1,100 personnel spread out across most of the country, according to the New York Post. He also didn’t deny reports that Pakistani intelligence officers are helping the Taliban process biometric data.

    JF (e1156d)

  51. Biden hits aspirin factory to show Corn Pop ISIS what’s up!
    https://apnews.com/article/asia-pacific-evacuations-kabul-islamic-state-group-7f146c8ae5d9e9ab225025527e421226.

    If only we had someone alive on the ground to verify that.

    steveg (ebe7c1)

  52. #51
    This is impossible because it comes from a punk trumper site. There will be no verification allowed

    steveg (ebe7c1)

  53. I thought this was the utmost in courageous and brave service when Trump was in office. Did something change? Highly principled Vindman twins must be out somewhere with OJ searching for the truth

    “Given the heightened political and social atmosphere surrounding Afghanistan, it is important to remind our uniformed personnel (active duty and reservists on temporary active duty) and military retirees of their responsibilities and obligations under Article 88 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice and Department of Defense Directive 1344.10. While it is vital to protect the constitutional right of freedom of expression for these groups, consistent with mission accomplishment, national security, and good order and discipline, it’s important to remember certain limitations. Namely, uniformed personnel and military retirees are prohibited from disrespecting senior government leadership (e.g. the President, Vice President, Congress, Secretary of Defense, Service Secretaries, etc.).”

    steveg (ebe7c1)

  54. If only we had someone alive on the ground to verify that.

    steveg (ebe7c1) — 8/27/2021 @ 9:08 pm

    Funny how they supposedly found this guy within 48 hours but had no idea how many American citizens were in Afghanistan.

    Assuming, of course, it was actually the “planner” and not some random hammerhead who didn’t take out the GPS tracker in the fat stack of cash that the glowies gave to him.

    Factory Working Orphan (2775f0)

  55. Local news says several of the Marines lost were out of Camp Pendleton.

    Veterans groups are pretty riled up about this in the reports, too. These Marines were really just kids- only 20 or so; 79 year old multiple Vietnam deferment Joe’s cannon fodder.

    This incompetent needs to be removed from office immediately.

    Only Joe could make Trump look and sound like Lincoln.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  56. A bit more deserves to be said about Operation Pineapple Express. From NRO:

    “Dozens of high-risk individuals, families with small children, orphans, and pregnant women, were secretly moved through the streets of Kabul throughout the night and up to just seconds before ISIS detonated a bomb into the huddled mass of Afghans seeking safety and freedom,” Army Lt. Col. Scott Mann, a retired Green Beret commander who directed the quasi-independent operation explained.

    The group first came together on August 15 to rescue a former Afghan commando at risk for having served alongside American Special Forces and the elite SEAL Team Six.

    What started with one Afghan collaborator expanded to include many others. The mission was orchestrated by over 50 people conducting reconnaissance, collecting intelligence, and planning virtually in an encrypted chat room to sneak vulnerable Afghans past the terrorist group’s checkpoints and controlled terrain to the airport.

    Many of these enemies of the Taliban and their families said that they were they were apprehended by militants during the operation, but did not have their affiliations exposed.

    “This Herculean effort couldn’t have been done without the unofficial heroes inside the airfield who defied their orders to not help beyond the airport perimeter by wading into sewage canals and pulling in these targeted people who were flashing pineapples on their phones,” Mann said.

    U.S. military forces, confined to inside the airport boundary, waited for the cues of the Pineapple Express ground team, called “conductors.” Refugees (“passengers”) arrived at rendezvous points where they stood by until a conductor wearing a green chem light flagged their attention. Passengers then confirmed their identities by displaying the secret code: A picture of yellow pineapples on a pink background. They were then shepherded to the U.S.-guarded part of the airport. Many of the Afghans were brought to Abbey Gate, where U.S. soldiers would intercept and bring them inside the protected area.

    Jason Redman, a former Navy SEAL and Purple Heart recipient who helped guide Afghans he knew to safety, lamented to ABC “that our own government didn’t do this. We did what we should do, as Americans.” The operation occurred as the U.S. military continued to share intelligence with the Taliban, even providing a list of names of U.S. citizens, green card-holders, and Afghans who had spent the previous years fighting the Taliban alongside U.S. forces.

    The many retired servicemen who organized and played a part in the high-stakes project said they were proud of what they had accomplished together, and of the courage their team showed during a very dark hour.

    “I have been involved in some of the most incredible missions and operations that a special forces guy could be a part of, and I have never been a part of anything more incredible than this,” declared Army Major and retired Green Beret Jim Gant. “The bravery and courage and commitment of my brothers and sisters in the Pineapple community was greater than the U.S. commitment on the battlefield.”

    So, if I understand this correctly, it sounds like the sort of operation that was very informally cleared by the commanding officers on the ground without approval of all those popinjays working with the Biden Administration who sport excessive ribbons on their chest denoting meritorious service in diversity and inclusion initiatives. The Operation Pineapple Express guys are frankly the best of our military and I would take any one of them over a dozen Mark Milleys.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  57. Right on, JVW.
    🍻

    mg (8cbc69)

  58. Lt. Col. Stuart Scheller was topped out at O-5 anyway; no one with his attitude — just imagine it! Demanding accountability? — would ever be selected for promotion to Colonel, because political correctness is the standard for that.

    The libertarian, but not Libertarian, Dana (3867c9)

  59. Lt. Col. Stuart Scheller was topped out at O-5 anyway; no one with his attitude — just imagine it! Demanding accountability? — would ever be selected for promotion to Colonel, because political correctness is the standard for that.

    The libertarian, but not Libertarian, Dana (3867c9) — 8/28/2021 @ 5:14 am

    It’s a mark of what is actually important to The Cathedral that a battalion commander demands accountability from those in charge and is immediately sacked for it due to “lack of trust and confidence.” Yeah, I’ll bet.

    That guy has more spine in calling out the morons in the Pentagon than any of them did the last two weeks of Biden administration bumbling, stumbling, and excuse-making.

    Factory Working Orphan (2775f0)

  60. Lt. Col. Stuart Scheller was topped out at O-5 anyway; no one with his attitude — just imagine it! Demanding accountability? — would ever be selected for promotion to Colonel, because political correctness is the standard for that.

    I believe that the privilege to question the competence and sanity of their commanding officers is reserved strictly for enlisted men, not officers.

    nk (1d9030)

  61. Factory Working Orphan (2775f0) — 8/27/2021 @ 9:38 pm

    Is there any reason to think it was anything more than a Taliban guy (there is no “the” Taliban) telling the US it was this guy?

    frosty (f27e97)

  62. Is there any reason to think it was anything more than a Taliban guy (there is no “the” Taliban) telling the US it was this guy?

    frosty (f27e97) — 8/28/2021 @ 6:01 am

    Good question; my response to that would be, “At this point, given what’s happened in the past couple of weeks, should we give credence to anything these people are claiming?”

    Factory Working Orphan (2775f0)

  63. Where’s “warrior monk” Jim Mattis in all of this?

    —- Glenn Reynolds

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  64. @65 Way ahead of you on that one.

    These are also the same people playing with the economy, protecting us from cyber and physical attacks, and dealing with covid.

    BTW; US intelligence says we may never know covid origin.

    frosty (f27e97)

  65. Cook County judge strips mother of parental rights over vaccination status

    “In what all parties agree is a very unusual and perhaps unprecedented step, a judge at Chicago’s Daley Center has stripped Rebecca Firlit of custody because she refuses to get a vaccination shot.

    “I miss my son more than anything. It’s been very difficult. I haven’t seen him since August 10th,” Firlit told FOX 32 News in an exclusive interview.

    That’s the day Firlit appeared in court via Zoom along with her ex-husband for a child support hearing involving their 11-year-old son. The two have been divorced for seven years and share custody and parenting time.

    She says out of the blue, Cook County Judge James Shapiro asked her whether she had been vaccinated. Firlit told Shapiro she had not because she has had bad reactions to vaccines in the past.

    Shapiro then ordered that Firlit be stripped of all parenting time with her son until she gets vaccinated.”

    https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/cook-county-judge-strips-mother-of-parental-rights-over-vaccination-status

    Obudman (6228e1)

  66. I thought giving up on Bagram before evacuating was bad.

    Handing the Taliban a list of names who helped Americans fight the Taliban?

    Beyond stupid.

    But I guess this is what you get after four years of Trump. A real president with foreign policy chops who doesn’t send mean tweets.

    Hoi Polloi (998b37)

  67. Obudman (6228e1) — 8/28/2021 @ 6:53 am

    The covidians only want what’s best for you and they especially enjoy giving it to you when you resist.

    frosty (f27e97)

  68. Hoi Polloi (998b37) — 8/28/2021 @ 7:04 am

    NeverTrump was very clear about Trumpers needing to learn a lesson for defying them. I don’t think school is dismissed.

    frosty (f27e97)

  69. I Commanded Afghan Troops This Year. We Were Betrayed

    For the past three and a half months, I fought day and night, nonstop, in southern Afghanistan’s Helmand Province against an escalating and bloody Taliban offensive. Coming under frequent attack, we held the Taliban back and inflicted heavy casualties. Then I was called to Kabul to command Afghanistan’s special forces. But the Taliban already were entering the city; it was too late.
    ………
    It pains me to see Mr. Biden and Western officials are blaming the Afghan Army for collapsing without mentioning the underlying reasons that happened. Political divisions in Kabul and Washington strangled the army and limited our ability to do our jobs. Losing combat logistical support that the United States had provided for years crippled us, as did a lack of clear guidance from U.S. and Afghan leadership.

    I am a three-star general in the Afghan Army. For 11 months, as commander of 215 Maiwand Corps, I led 15,000 men in combat operations against the Taliban in southwestern Afghanistan. I’ve lost hundreds of officers and soldiers. That’s why, as exhausted and frustrated as I am, I wanted to offer a practical perspective and defend the honor of the Afghan Army. I’m not here to absolve the Afghan Army of mistakes. But the fact is, many of us fought valiantly and honorably, only to be let down by American and Afghan leadership.
    ……..
    So why did the Afghan military collapse? The answer is threefold.
    ………
    The Trump-Taliban agreement shaped the circumstances for the current situation by essentially curtailing offensive combat operations for U.S. and allied troops. The U.S. air-support rules of engagement for Afghan security forces effectively changed overnight, and the Taliban were emboldened. They could sense victory and knew it was just a matter of waiting out the Americans. Before that deal, the Taliban had not won any significant battles against the Afghan Army. After the agreement? We were losing dozens of soldiers a day.

    Still, we kept fighting. But then Mr. Biden confirmed in April he would stick to Mr. Trump’s plan and set the terms for the U.S. drawdown. That was when everything started to go downhill.
    ………
    Contractors maintained our bombers and our attack and transport aircraft throughout the war. By July, most of the 17,000 support contractors had left. A technical issue now meant that aircraft — a Black Hawk helicopter, a C-130 transport, a surveillance drone — would be grounded.
    ……….
    Mr. Biden’s full and accelerated withdrawal only exacerbated the situation. It ignored conditions on the ground. The Taliban had a firm end date from the Americans and feared no military reprisal for anything they did in the interim, sensing the lack of U.S. will.
    ……….
    I cannot ignore the third factor, though, because there was only so much the Americans could do when it came to the well-documented corruption that rotted our government and military. That really is our national tragedy. So many of our leaders — including in the military — were installed for their personal ties, not for their credentials. These appointments had a devastating impact on the national army because leaders lacked the military experience to be effective or inspire the confidence and trust of the men being asked to risk their lives. Disruptions to food rations and fuel supplies — a result of skimming and corrupt contract allocations — destroyed the morale of my troops.
    ……….
    We were betrayed by politics and presidents.
    ……….

    Rip Murdock (46eeea)

  70. Florida is the only state where more people are dying of COVID now than ever before. What went wrong?
    ……….
    ……….(Gov. Ron) DeSantis just added another, less flattering distinction to his résumé. When COVID first surged across the Sun Belt last summer, the average number of Floridians dying of the disease every 24 hours peaked at 185, according to the New York Times’s state-by-state COVID database. The same was true over the winter.

    A few days ago, however, Florida’s daily death rate cleared 200 for the first time, and today it stands at 228 — an all-time high.

    This makes DeSantis the first (and so far only) governor in the U.S. whose state is now recording more COVID-19 deaths each day — long after free, safe and effective vaccines became widely available to all Americans age 12 or older — than during any previous wave of the virus.

    So what went wrong? California thinks it has the answer.
    ……….
    ……….[B]y looking at how California and Florida are doing this summer, post-vaccination, versus how they did last summer, pre-vaccination — an approach that minimizes seasonal variables such as weather and indoor gathering — you can get a rough sense of what is or isn’t working.

    The difference is stark.

    Last summer, COVID surged in both Florida and California, just as it did across much of the rest of the Southern and Southwestern United States. California fared better. There, new daily cases peaked at 25 per every 100,000 residents; total hospitalizations peaked at 23 per every 100,000 residents; and new daily deaths peaked at 0.35 per every 100,000 residents.

    In Florida, those numbers were more than twice as bad: 55 cases/100,000 residents, 56 hospitalizations/100,000 residents and 0.86 deaths/100,000 residents.
    ……….
    The problem, though, is that while California is doing much better this summer than last, Florida, for some reason, is doing much worse.

    In California, the current new daily rate case is somewhat higher (35 cases/100,000) than it was during its summer 2020 peak — in part because California is now conducting twice as many tests per day (about 250,000). Yet despite that, and despite the fact that Delta is twice as transmissible as the initial strain of SARS-CoV-2 that was circulating in 2020, current hospitalizations in California (21/100,000) are still lower than last summer’s peak — and deaths, the metric that matters most, remain twice as low (0.17/100,000).

    That’s the kind of progress you’d expect after vaccination.

    Florida is the opposite. There, new daily cases appear to have topped out at 138 per every 100,000 residents — more than two and a half times last summer’s peak. As a result, the state’s current hospitalization rate (80/100,000) is nearly one and a half times last summer’s peak; new daily deaths (1/100,000) are higher than ever. And they’re both still climbing.

    In other words, Florida did roughly twice as badly as California last summer in terms of COVID cases, hospitalizations and deaths. This summer, however, Florida is doing roughly four times worse in terms of cases and hospitalizations — and nearly six times worse in terms of deaths.
    ……….
    …….[T]he behavior associated with mask mandates — that is, universal indoor masking — has been proved to work. In fact, according to a research summary by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, “at least ten studies have confirmed the benefit of universal masking in community level analyses: in a unified hospital system, a German city, two U.S. states, a panel of 15 U.S. states and Washington, D.C., as well as both Canada and the U.S. nationally.”

    “Each analysis demonstrated that, following directives from organizational and political leadership for universal masking, new infections fell significantly,” the summary continues, adding that “two of these studies and an additional analysis of data from 200 countries that included the U.S. also demonstrated reductions in mortality.”
    ………..
    ………… Fate did not decree that Floridians would be more inclined than Californians to view wearing masks indoors for a few more weeks — or gathering outdoors more often, or waiting a little longer to drink at the bar — as violations of their personal liberty. Leaders have some power to encourage or discourage such attitudes, and some responsibility for the behaviors they help to normalize (or not).

    The good news is that cases finally appear to be peaking in Florida; the state’s seven-day average has fallen by nearly 30 percent over the last week (though testing is down too).

    But new cases may be leveling off in California as well, and at a much lower level. Both Los Angeles and San Francisco have registered promising declines over the last 14 days.

    In the meantime, 228 people are dying of COVID in Florida each day — more than three times the number dying each day in California, a state that’s almost twice as populous.

    And this time, nearly every one of their deaths was preventable.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    Related:

    Florida starts turning on DeSantis

    Rip Murdock (46eeea)

  71. We could be Denmark had vaccines not become so politicized. Their population is 71% fully vaccinated and all CV19 restrictions were lifted.

    Paul Montagu (5de684)

  72. Where’s “warrior monk” Jim Mattis in all of this?

    —- Glenn Reynolds

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/28/2021 @ 6:15 am

    Getting suckered by another Silicon Valley superstar, no doubt.

    Factory Working Orphan (2775f0)

  73. We could be Denmark had vaccines not become so politicized. Their population is 71% fully vaccinated and all CV19 restrictions were lifted.

    Paul Montagu (5de684) — 8/28/2021 @ 7:57 am

    And New Mexico is at 67% of people over 18 years. Guess what we have to do when going in to buildings now?

    I was promised that all this stuff was going to go away when I got the jab. Guess I was lied to.

    Factory Working Orphan (2775f0)

  74. Outbreak Associated with SARS-CoV-2 B.1.617.2 (Delta) Variant in an Elementary School — Marin County, California, May–June 2021

    On May 25, 2021, the Marin County Department of Public Health (MCPH) was notified by an elementary school that on May 23, an unvaccinated teacher had reported receiving a positive test result for SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. The teacher reported becoming symptomatic on May 19, but continued to work for 2 days before receiving a test on May 21. On occasion during this time, the teacher read aloud unmasked to the class despite school requirements to mask while indoors. Beginning May 23, additional cases of COVID-19 were reported among other staff members, students, parents, and siblings connected to the school.

    To characterize the outbreak, on May 26, MCPH initiated case investigation and contact tracing that included whole genome sequencing (WGS) of available specimens. A total of 27 cases were identified, including that of the teacher. During May 23–26, among the teacher’s 24 students, 22 students, all ineligible for vaccination because of age, received testing for SARS-CoV-2; 12 received positive test results. The attack rate in the two rows seated closest to the teacher’s desk was 80% (eight of 10) and was 28% (four of 14) in the three back rows (Fisher’s exact test; p = 0.036). During May 24–June 1, six of 18 students in a separate grade at the school, all also too young for vaccination, received positive SARS-CoV-2 test results. Eight additional cases were also identi- fied, all in parents and siblings of students in these two grades. Among these additional cases, three were in persons fully vaccinated in accordance with CDC recommendations.
    ……….
    Vaccines are effective against the Delta variant, but risk of transmission remains elevated among unvaccinated persons in schools without strict adherence to prevention strategies. In addition to vaccination for eligible persons, strict adherence to nonpharmaceutical prevention strategies, including masking, routine testing, facility ventilation, and staying home when symptomatic, are important to ensure safe in-person learning in schools.
    ………
    New evidence of the Delta variant’s high transmissibility, even among fully vac- cinated persons (6,7), supports recommendations for universal masking in schools.
    ………..
    Paragraph breaks added. Footnotes removed.

    Rip Murdock (46eeea)

  75. I was promised that all this stuff was going to go away when I got the jab. Guess I was lied to.

    Only when you and everyone else eligible is vaccinated would there any hope of “this stuff” going away. That, and Mother Nature moving the goalposts with new variants.

    Rip Murdock (46eeea)

  76. Only when you and everyone else eligible is vaccinated would there any hope of “this stuff” going away.

    Bull. Shall I quote the statement again?

    Their population is 71% fully vaccinated and all CV19 restrictions were lifted.

    Is 71% “everyone,” Rip?

    That, and Mother Nature moving the goalposts with new variants.

    That’s called evolution. If a vaccine is so ineffective that you have to get a new shot every five months for eternity, then there’s no point in getting any further shots. Might as well take my chances with natural immunity.

    Factory Working Orphan (2775f0)

  77. Florida tragedy:

    Wife hospitalized for covid gets home to find husband dead from the same virus: ‘It was like walking into a horror movie’
    ……..
    [Lisa Steadman] had spent more than a week in a Central Florida hospital recovering from a serious case of covid-19 while Ronald Steadman, who had also contracted the coronavirus, battled a milder case from home.
    ……..
    But Ronald, 55, did not appear to be [at their Winter Haven] home when Lisa returned Aug. 11.
    ……..
    When Lisa cracked open the door, she found Ron unresponsive on his side of the bed and their three dogs in distress. By then, his body had already begun decomposing, she told The Washington Post. ……..

    Neither Ron, who died of covid-19 complications, nor Lisa had been vaccinated, Lisa said. Both had agreed they would wait longer to schedule their shots. Lisa rarely got sick and left her house only for work, and Ron, who was in charge of running the couple’s errands during the pandemic, always wore his mask and stayed away from large crowds, Lisa said.

    “Both of us thought that [the vaccine] came out so fast. How could they have done so much testing on it? I was just cautious about it,” she said. “It’s not that I was against vaccines.”
    ………
    She has been hurt by comments on social media criticizing her decision not to get the vaccine earlier.

    “I did what I thought was best for me,” Lisa told The Post. “Even if you don’t agree with me that I didn’t get the shot earlier, you don’t say, ‘I bet you wish you would have gotten the vaccine so your husband wouldn’t be dead.’ ”

    She added: “We wanted to make sure [getting vaccinated] was safe.”
    …….

    Rip Murdock (46eeea)

  78. Shapiro then ordered that Firlit be stripped of all parenting time with her son until she gets vaccinated.”

    Parenting time is not the same as parental rights. Unfortunately for the poor kid.

    And, yeah, more and more people are getting tired of the anti-vaxxers’ tiresome sh!t.

    nk (1d9030)

  79. Parenting time is not the same as parental rights. Unfortunately for the poor kid.

    And, yeah, more and more people are getting tired of the anti-vaxxers’ tiresome sh!t.

    nk (1d9030) — 8/28/2021 @ 8:27 am

    More and more people are getting tired of the Branch Covidians’ tiresome sh!t, too.

    Factory Working Orphan (2775f0)

  80. From the OUTBREAK!!!!! link:

    The school required teachers and students to mask while indoors; interviews with parents of infected students suggested that students’ adherence to masking and distancing guidelines in line with CDC recommendations (3) was high in class.

    Kids that were masked and socially distanced got infected anyways???

    Hopefully the vaccinated were immune.

    In addition to the teacher and 22 infected students, four parents of students with cases were also infected, for a total of 27 cases (23 confirmed by RT-PCR and four by antigen testing) (Figure 2). Among the five infected adults, one par- ent and the teacher were unvaccinated; the others were fully vaccinated.

    Oh…

    Well certainly the unvaccinated suffered far worse than the vaccinated.

    The vaccinated adults and one unvaccinated adult were symptomatic with fever, chills, cough, headache, and loss of smell. No other school staff members reported becoming ill. No persons infected in this outbreak were hospitalized.

    Oh…

    I am glad everyone will learn a lesson from this outrage.

    BuDuh (fdd65e)

  81. @77 already covered in the post, spam einstein

    JF (e1156d)

  82. Better start planning now if hospitalization, restaurant/special events permission is going to be denied to those who got the first jab (or 2) but refuse to continue.

    Obudman (6228e1)

  83. I am reminded of the Obama race hustle where reporters combed the land to find poor black babies that were killed by evil white racists. When they thought they had a winner Obama was able to ramble through prepared statements about having a son the looked like (insert name here.). The media doesn’t seem to find any stories of dead vaccinated people’s families, but they sure can get on the regretful unvaccinated narrative builders.

    BuDuh (fdd65e)

  84. Bull. Shall I quote the statement again?

    Their population is 71% fully vaccinated and all CV19 restrictions were lifted.

    Is 71% “everyone,” Rip?

    Sorry. I misunderstood stood your comment. Small homogeneous European countries have very little to do with the US as a whole or even individual states. Apparently Denmark has reached herd immunity. Despite being 67% vaccinated, NM is having problems with the Delta variant, like everywhere else.

    Rip Murdock (46eeea)

  85. Sorry. I misunderstood stood your comment. Small homogeneous European countries have very little to do with the US as a whole or even individual states. Apparently Denmark has reached herd immunity. Despite being 67% vaccinated, NM is having problems with the Delta variant, like everywhere else.

    Rip Murdock (46eeea) — 8/28/2021 @ 8:44 am

    No, at this point it’s obvious that this is just perpetual goalpost shifting.

    Factory Working Orphan (2775f0)

  86. For a brief shining month or two, masks were not required, but recommended for the unvaccinated, at my local Jewel. Now they’re required for everybody again. I wonder if that judge shops there, too. (Just kidding, they’re required in every store.)

    nk (1d9030)

  87. More thoughts on the OUTBREAK!!!!!!

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E94NKV6X0AUWvfP?format=jpg&name=large

    BuDuh (fdd65e)

  88. “Judge reads sentence “We do not see a correlation between mask mandates and COVID-19 rates” [from study of mask mandates and IFR in MA, NY and FL] out loud to justify mask mandates.

    Either a complete embarrassment to the Bar, or it’s like that scene in 1984 where Winston is taught to pretend that four fingers are actually five.”

    https://twitter.com/michaelpsenger/status/1431304043591204878?s=21

    Obudman (6228e1)

  89. https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/covid-19-vaccine-breakthrough-cases-data-from-the-states/

    Great summary by KFF on breakthrough cases. Looking at Michigan less then 1% of hospitalization from covid. and less then 3% of deaths from covid have come from vaccinated people.

    And that’s typical.

    If we could get to high levels of immunization the severity of this problem would be massively reduced.

    Time123 (ea13e9)

  90. “It’s mourning in America”… eh, Joe?

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  91. That study is a month old, Time.

    BuDuh (fdd65e)

  92. I am glad everyone will learn a lesson from this outrage.

    The good news is that the unionized teacher in Marin will almost certainly not lose her job despite flouting district regulations and putting her students and their families at risk. You can tell this is the case because when you search on “Marin teacher exposes students to COVID” you get nothing more than the story that Dana shared. I mean, imagine holding a member of the teachers’ union accountable in the Democrat paradise of California!

    And yeah, Rip Murdock, please do try to avoid repeating news items that Dana already put in her round-up.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  93. And New Mexico is at 67% of people over 18 years. Guess what we have to do when going in to buildings now?
    I was promised that all this stuff was going to go away when I got the jab. Guess I was lied to.

    You weren’t “lied to”, FWO, because the Delta variant changed the rules. BTW, your state is doing fairly well. You haven’t had double-digit numbers of deaths (7-moving average) since May 29. If you didn’t have the major outbreak in the Navajo Nation, your state would’ve performed awesomely.

    Paul Montagu (5de684)

  94. Worth reading: Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s Unherd analysis: “The media enabled Afghanistan’s collapse”.

    I must add that I don’t entirely agree with her argument, but think it worth reading, anyway.

    (Ayaan Hirsi Ali)

    Jim Miller (edcec1)

  95. Best data I could find, and much better then trying to extrapolate from whatever anecdote was interesting enough to be reported. Do you have a more recent study?

    If we assume MI results are typical we can use this from last week. It still shows a massive reduction in severity for people who have been vaccinated.

    https://www.michigan.gov/documents/coronavirus/20210823_Data_and_modeling_update_vFINAL_733760_7.pdf

    Potential COVID-19 Vaccination Breakthrough Cases
    Michigan part of CDC’s nationwide investigation (COVID-19 Breakthrough Case Investigations and Reporting | CDC) Michigan Data (1/1/21 through 8/17/21):
    • •
    • •
    • •
    14,583 cases met criteria based on a positive test 14 or more days after being fully vaccinated
    Less than 1% of people who were fully vaccinated met this case definition
    • Includes 267 deaths (235 in persons ages 65 years or older)
    • 779 cases were hospitalized
    Vaccine breakthrough cases are expected. COVID-19 vaccines are effective and are a critical tool to bring the pandemic under control. However, no vaccines are 100% effective at preventing illness in vaccinated people. There will be a small percentage of fully vaccinated people who still get sick, are hospitalized, or die from COVID-19.

    Time123 (ea13e9)

  96. Worth finding: Last weekend’s Wall Street Journal, if only for the interview with David Petraeus.

    Key quote:

    Mr. Petraeus was adamant that the U.S. presence in Afghanistan was “sustainable,” and he expresses consternation that Mr. Biden felt compelled to follow through on a pullout to which Mr. Trump agreed.

    Petraeus knows more about military matters than most of us.

    Jim Miller (edcec1)

  97. Great thread about Australia and their mindset toward CV19 restrictions. By the way, they’re at 38 deaths per million, which is 169th on the planet, and 185th in cases per million. The US is at 1,950 deaths per million. I might’ve said this before, but if we had their death rate, 637k American lives would not have been cut short.
    The problem is they’re so militant at restrictions and so pacifist about vaccinations. So far, only 26% are fully vaccinated.
    Since this an open thread, I’ll also note that their healthcare is ranked 6th best, while it only costs them a little over half of ours, at 9.3% of GDP versus the US is at 16.9%. For the folks who take umbrage and tell me to move there, I just might. Could do a lot worse.

    Paul Montagu (5de684)

  98. I agree with Patraeus. I think this retreat was unnecessary and bad policy that has been executed poorly. Had it been done well I think it still would have been a mess. But not this bad.

    Time123 (ea13e9)

  99. Yesterday the Biden Administration and Pentagon were high-fiving themselves for having killed two ISIS operatives in a drone attack. Today, they’ve decided that they won’t release the name of the two dead men, though they insist that both were important operatives:

    Pentagon will not release names of the 2 ‘high-profile’ ISIS planners killed in single U.S. drone strike: Kirby— Lucas Tomlinson (@LucasFoxNews) August 28, 2021

    As one Twitter wag put it, we killed Hasan from HR and his assistant.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  100. I thought this was an interesting poll of foreign policy experts from earlier this summer on withdrawal from Afghanistan

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ask-the-experts/2021-06-22/washington-right-leave-afghanistan

    I wonder how many would like to revisit their assessment…and extend and expand their remarks. Notably, Petraeus was consistently against the withdrawal.

    AJ_Liberty (a4ff25)

  101. Paul Montagu, if you want to celebrate Australia’s low death rate due to their strict lockdowns, you should at least acknowledge the havoc this is wrecking on their economy.

    Not only are there tradeoffs between safety and liberty, but there are also tradeoffs between safety and financial security. And Australia can’t exactly print money Biden-style to work their way out of this mess. Not that I imagine the Biden throw-money-at-it strategy is going to work very well either.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  102. And yeah, Rip Murdock, please do try to avoid repeating news items that Dana already put in her round-up.

    My bad. Sorry.

    Rip Murdock (46eeea)

  103. I wouldn’t be surprised if Sirhan Sirhan’s lifespan would about as long after release as Lee Harvey Oswald’s after he assassinated RFK’s brother.

    Paul Montagu (5de684)

  104. Factory Working Orphan (2775f0) — 8/28/2021 @ 8:49 am

    The key here is “nature” moved the goalposts and you can’t fight “nature” right? If this sounds like “climate change” you’re totally imagining that.

    We already know covid will exist even if every single person was vaccinated. The restrictions won’t go away until enough people are done with them.

    The people telling you “do X and this will go away” are, at best, incorrect. Most of them are just lying.

    frosty (f27e97)

  105. We already know covid will exist even if every single person was vaccinated

    True, but hospitalization and deaths would be reduced by about 30x.

    Time123 (ea13e9)

  106. The Right-Wingers Who Admire the Taliban
    ……..
    …….. The influential young white supremacist Nick Fuentes — an ally of the Arizona Republican congressman Paul Gosar and the anti-immigrant pundit Michelle Malkin — wrote on the encrypted app Telegram: “The Taliban is a conservative, religious force, the U.S. is godless and liberal. The defeat of the U.S. government in Afghanistan is unequivocally a positive development.” An account linked to the Proud Boys expressed respect for the way the Taliban “took back their national religion as law, and executed dissenters.”
    ………
    The Florida Republican Matt Gaetz may be a clown, but he’s also a congressman who was close to the previous president. On Twitter earlier this month, Gaetz described the Taliban, like Trump, as “more legitimate than the last government in Afghanistan or the current government here.”

    Twenty years ago, in the aftermath of Sept. 11, the United States embarked on a war that would, in time, sell itself as a battle for democracy. Back then, liberal democracy was almost universally venerated in America, which is one reason we had the hubris to think we could export it by force. Many, especially on the right, worried about the threat that jihadism posed to a modern, open society. The tragic journey of the last two decades began with the loudest voices on the right braying for war with Islamism and ended with a right-wing vanguard envying it.

    …….. They don’t sympathize with barbarism, but were pleased to see liberal internationalism lose. “The humiliation of Afghanistan will have been worth it if it pries the old paradigm loose and lets new thoughts in,” Yoram Hazony, an influential nationalist intellectual whose conferences feature figures like Josh Hawley and Peter Thiel, tweeted earlier this month.

    What old paradigm? Well, a few days later he tweeted, “What went wrong in Iraq and Afghanistan was, first and foremost, the ideas in the heads of the people running the show. Say its name: Liberalism.”

    Fox’s Tucker Carlson, the most important nationalist voice in America, seemed to sympathize with the gender politics of Taliban-supporting Afghans. “They don’t hate their own masculinity,” he said shortly after the fall of Kabul. “They don’t think it’s toxic. They like the patriarchy. Some of their women like it too. So now they’re getting it all back. So maybe it’s possible that we failed in Afghanistan because the entire neoliberal program is grotesque.” (By “neoliberalism” he seems to mean social liberalism, not austerity economics.)
    ……..
    …….. If there’s one lesson of recent American history, it’s that there’s no such thing as something too ridiculous to be dangerous.
    >>>>>>>

    Rip Murdock (46eeea)

  107. #107 “We already know covid will exist even if every single person was vaccinated.”

    And we know that how? Links, please, preferably to writers who understand the basics of epidemiology, for example, R0.

    (As everyone should know, another viral disease, smallpox, was ompletely eliminated by . . . vaccinations.

    And it has been possible to effectively eliminate other viral diseases from the United States, with combinations of quarantines and vaccines.)

    Jim Miller (edcec1)

  108. Jim, I don’t think it’s too controversial to claim that our news media is broken. But what the writer doesn’t say is that we have two dominant media….a left-wing media that spins left….and a right-wing media that spins right. Watch FNC and MSNBC any night and it’s difficult to discern that they are covering the same exact country. Blur in an unhealthy dose of “news analysis”…..which is code for license to spin….and it’s not unexpected why so many citizens find it so difficult to be objective. No fact is truly safe. Mistrust of the major media then drives people to “alternative sources” of analysis that are frequently even more ideological….and less committed to standards of journalism.

    Biden was certainly given a honeymoon on Afghanistan…..but let’s be real, right-wing media was also following the war-weary, spent-too-much-money-already lead of team Trump……and though we can maybe believe that naked self interest would have made Trump’s exit cleaner….it’s unclear that the final state…the Taliban once again running Afghanistan….would have been much different. It would still be a humanitarian cluster….with sketchy if any conditions on the Taliban…..and ISIS being freer to operate. Team Biden completely mismanaged the exit….they should pay politically. The GOP needs to position itself to do better…..

    AJ_Liberty (a4ff25)

  109. JVW (ee64e4) — 8/28/2021 @ 9:47 am

    Ahmed: I think we’re lost, praise Allah.
    Ali: I took the turn at Khadija’s house like you said.
    Ahmed: I said Khadi’s house. You know, the one with the big … what’s the sound?

    frosty (f27e97)

  110. 101.I agree with Patraeus.

    Another Westmorland. Total brasshole.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  111. Notably, Petraeus was consistently against the withdrawal.

    As his mistress can attest to.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  112. AJ you seem to love to tell the right to do better, but don’t offer any solutions.

    I do know the left is going full communism, but you don’t seem to tell them to do better or worry about it.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  113. Fox’s Tucker Carlson, the most important nationalist voice in America…

    For Christ’s sake, he’s just a frigging cable teevee talk show host.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  114. Jim Miller (edcec1) — 8/28/2021 @ 10:22 am

    All of the data you’ve got in front of you.

    Smallpox has a low mutation rate and we spent decades eradicating it. We had those decades because it also is spread by prolonged face to face contact.

    We also know sars-cov-2 can infect and be transmitted by people who have been vaccinated. The vaccine may slow the spread but it does not stop it. There is also no evidence it slows it enough for it to die off.

    The sars-cov-2 virus is more like the various virus that make up the common cold or the flu than the ones we’ve eliminated.

    I’m not sure why you need links and some sort of PhD level reference to know that.

    frosty (f27e97)

  115. Fox’s Tucker Carlson, the most important nationalist voice in America…

    For Christ’s sake, he’s just a frigging cable teevee talk show host.

    A cable teevee host with ~3.0+ million monthly viewers and ~500,000 viewers in the 25-54 demo (#1 in both categories).

    Rip Murdock (46eeea)

  116. #111 AJ – I agree with everything you say there, and you mention some of the ways I disagree (partly) with Ali.

    I have to confess that I don’t watch cable TV, and generally urge people to avoid all TV news, other than weather, traffic, and sports. (I do look regularly at Mediaite just to see what the talking heads are saying.)

    (Many years ago, I was asked by the wife of a friend how she, as a good citizen, could be well informed. I gave her an answer, but wasn’t completely satisfied with it, and have been thinking about her question ever since. I suppose these days I would add “avoid Facebook” to my advice, but can’t say that I have a better answer now than I did way back then.)

    Jim Miller (edcec1)

  117. Petraeus can afford to be against withdrawal. He doesn’t have to face voters who opposed the war by large margins.

    Rip Murdock (46eeea)

  118. AJ, Good comment at 111

    Time123 (ea13e9)

  119. I don’t think it’s too controversial to claim that our news media is broken.

    Rubbish. More Neocon creamed chipped Cheney on a shingle.

    Our news media operates under your cherished, profit-driven free market rules and regs. Lest the ideologue Righties forget, it was Reagan who killed the Fairness Doctrine for broadcast news and left the fledgling cable biz purposely unregulated. News was once a loss leader and un-profitable; Bill Paley once quipped that the entire annual CBS News budget was paid for by revenues from one entertainment program, ‘I Love Lucy.’ Now ‘news’ is packaged for ratings-which are tabulated now literally minute by minute- and its only profitability that counts. Reaganomics, folks. Anybody who whines about ‘news’ being ‘broken’ today doesn’t know sh!t about it or how the business evolved- or devolved- into what it is in this era.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  120. @121. Nonsense.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  121. @118. So? It’s called E-N-T-E-R-T-A-I-N-M-E-N-T.

    You have no concept of the profitability of a blowhard-hosted talk show with the incredibly low production costs of one camera, one talent, 6 blocks w/commercial time to peddle at top dollar plus cross promotion guesting other talent under contract to the network and company product placement to boot.

    It’s a ring in the circus tent — but not a news source.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  122. 120.Petraeus can afford to be against withdrawal. He doesn’t have to face voters who opposed the war by large margins.

    Just his wife.

    Paging Paula Broadwell, famed polisher of the general’s brassy knob.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  123. NJRob, I’m a life-long Republican…have given time, money, and service….well, up to 2017. I agree with little to nothing with Democrats on economic issues…though can at least appreciate that they have a constituency that wants them to do the things they propose: forgiving college debt, raising the minimum wage, medicare for all, more subsidized child care, and more make-work projects. I think they’re wrong…but not evil for wanting to give blue collar workers a better chance in a global economy that can be tough for many. I do want Democrats to think more about debt, less about redistribution, and more carefully about government programs and human nature. But I’m not a Democrat….there are very few Democrats that comment here….and none of the three blog posters here are Democrats proposing any of this government stuff. This is a right-of-center blog. Maybe I too easily dismiss the therpeutic value of coming here and yelling at imaginary liberals that silently lurk in the electronic ether….but I just don’t think they’re there… so who am I making an argument to?

    What we influence more is types of people the GOP puts forward in 2022…and then ultimately who will be the voice of the party in 2024. Right now….inscrutably….that looks like Donald Trump. As if we learned nothing in the past four years….and want to double down on terrible…because he yells things some like…..while the GOP loses the House, Presidency, and Senate. The solution is that the grassroots needs to demand traditional Republicanism and competency. Many here seem set on voting for Trump yet again….I would like to persuade you against that…and to go back to normal. Though I too sometimes feel that I may be yelling into a deep, dark, empty black hole…..

    AJ_Liberty (a4ff25)

  124. Denmark hits 71% of country with full vaccination. Promptly drop all internal restriction
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidnikel/2021/08/27/denmark-lifts-all-coronavirus-restrictions-except-entry-rules/?sh=72024c771dd5
    this won’t happen here because we are too invested in the virus and will continue to throw good money after bad for political reasons

    steveg (ebe7c1)

  125. I’m a life-long Republican…have given time, money, and service….well, up to 2017.

    Then you’re not a ‘Republican.’ You’re a ‘conservative ideologue’ a sunshine extremeist; which infected the GOP in 1964 and was finally purged by ‘Rockefeller-styled’ Republican Trump in ‘2017.’ A true ‘Republican’ would have stuck w/t party.

    Glorious.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  126. The solution is that the grassroots needs to demand traditional Republicanism and competency.

    Ike?!

    Which is NOT modern ideological conservatism.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  127. AJ,

    I notice you studiously avoid mentioning social issues, liberty issues and anything else not in the economic spectrum. That’s all too common of those who claim to be Republican but have no interest in fighting for Republican values.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  128. Every Democrat in the House supported the Green New Deal. They’ve gone full communist.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  129. Well DCSCA 122-125 is my cue to go to hit the gym…then maybe cut the lawn….and there’s always weeding…..only DCSCA can make weeding look attractive!

    AJ_Liberty (a4ff25)

  130. 130… You must do better, Rob! And stop posting so much… /sarc

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  131. The deep, dark, empty black holes are the ‘conservatives’ who think Biden was the solution to Trump.

    Obudman (6228e1)

  132. 131.Every Democrat in the House supported the Green New Deal. They’ve gone full communist.

    Nah. There’s some good and valid points to it in terms of general direction in the face of trends and harsh reality. The trick is to not go reactionary toward the extremes–otherwise, opposition sounds as foolish as the extremes themselves.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  133. #126 AJ – You may want to look at Election Betting Odds from time to time. They take the current bets from mostly British bettors and convert them to odds on many different elections.

    As I write, for instance, the bettors give Trump a 29.5 percent chance at winning the Republican nomination. So, about a 70 percent chance not to win the nomination.

    (If you aren’t familiar with the site, you may want to read their “Why This Beats Polls”>)

    Jim Miller (edcec1)

  134. @132. Think of it as getting you to go Green New Deal. 😉

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  135. The deep, dark, empty black holes are the ‘conservatives’ who think Biden was the solution to Trump.

    The deep, dark, occupied black holes are those housing the heads of Democrat voters and their NeverTrump house poodles…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  136. @126, AJ, I don’t always agree with you, but I find your comments interesting and thought provoking. Thank you for taking the time to make them.

    Time123 (ea13e9)

  137. @136. Nobody thought he could win the nomination in 2015 either; nor the presidency, Jimbo.

    People lie to pollsters more and more- especially about Trump. They’re realizing their data has value– so why give it away for free- especially regarding Trump. The party base has changed for the better; the ideologues are on the bottom of the deck for the next 40 years. They have no Reagan this time to run against today’s Carter- Big Rig Joe. Just Trump.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  138. Aj, I think the issue is that what you (and I) dislike about the Dem’s economic policy isn’t what the Trump base dislikes about the Dems. They’re find with protectionism and collectivism. What they want is someone to fight the culture war.

    Time123 (ea13e9)

  139. @118. So? It’s called E-N-T-E-R-T-A-I-N-M-E-N-T.

    You have no concept of the profitability of a blowhard-hosted talk show with the incredibly low production costs of one camera, one talent, 6 blocks w/commercial time to peddle at top dollar plus cross promotion guesting other talent under contract to the network and company product placement to boot.

    It’s a ring in the circus tent — but not a news source.

    I don’t disagree with you, but many Fox viewers don’t know the difference.

    Rip Murdock (46eeea)

  140. Tucker Carlson is extremely influential in shaping opinion on the right. At this point he seems like a more significant thought leader then most elected republican officials.

    Time123 (ea13e9)

  141. They’ve gone full communist.

    Let me know when they start seizing companies and industries in the name of the proletariat and rounding up class enemies to be sent to re-education camps.

    Rip Murdock (46eeea)

  142. The real question to ask is why the U.S.- the Biden Administration at this time- popped two ‘planner’ terrorists they had already profiled and targeted on their list AFTER the towelheads they’re with killed 13 of our guys and not before. If they’d acted earlier it would have sent a strong message – and our 13 guys might have come back to Dover alive and not in body bags.

    If you’re in a so-called ‘war on terror’ and you have these towelheads ID’d, on a list and tagged as targets, and fly in a done from far, far away, WTF– you kill them.

    You don’t wait. Nobody is going to believe you suddenly “found” these two towelheads. Something doesn’t add up about this.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  143. 143… there’s a struggle to find ANY “significant thought leaders” among Democrats.

    Just thought I’d mention that. Carry on.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  144. @145 it’s alway just around the corner.

    Time123 (edb5fd)

  145. @143. Rubbish. He’s a goddamned cable TeeVee talk show host in a prime time slot. Holds no elected office; just the heir to the Swanson TV dinner fortune.

    He’s entertainment. that’s all. And why do you believe he’s ‘influential’??!!???!:

    “Because you’re on television, dummy. Sixty million people watch you every night of the week, Monday through Friday. – Arthur Jensen [Ned Beatty] ‘Network’ 1976

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  146. 125, one of the few famous cheaters who attained a significant upgrade

    urbanleftbehind (b04175)

  147. Take heart, Juggler Joe. Beau heard your prayers, talked to God and he sent you an Afghan diversion: a killer hurricane.

    See if you can airlift Americans out of harm’s way down New Orleans way.

    “Go boy!” – Bing Crosby ‘Road to Hong Kong’ 1962

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  148. 148 and related, there’s also a good chance he’s “fake”; though I’d definitely wouldn’t mind seeing a Howard Beale ending.

    urbanleftbehind (b04175)

  149. @149. ‘Character Counts’… until it doesn’t. 😉

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  150. @151. Would like to see an end to the gooey stuffing and cranberry cobbler in his turkey TeeVee dinners first. 😉

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  151. Who the hell still eats that ish anymore…nobody eats the smaller portion “healthy” frozen entrees from the 80-90s anymore either.

    urbanleftbehind (b04175)

  152. Well, isn’t this just ducky:

    Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm earlier this week chartered a military jet to attend a diplomatic summit in Ukraine as the Pentagon struggled to evacuate Americans and allies from Afghanistan with limited time and operational resources, sources told the Washington Free Beacon.

    Granholm’s flight took place amid the United States’ frantic effort to airlift tens of thousands of people from Afghanistan ahead of the Taliban’s Aug. 31 deadline, and as the Department of Defense was forced to call in civilian airlines to bolster its strained evacuation fleet.

    The secretary’s use of a military jet — and particularly the flight’s timing — may raise questions for the Biden White House, which is responsible for approving such flights. Trump administration officials faced allegations of wasteful spending for their use of expensive military charters for trips that did not have national security urgency.

    [. . .]

    The White House confirmed to the Free Beacon that Granholm used a military flight and defended it as “standard protocol” because Granholm was attending the event as a dignitary, representing the president.

    Others questioned the justification.

    “Standard operating procedure does not apply during a national security crisis; these moments require judgment,” one former Trump administration official told the Free Beacon. “The fact that the White House chose to send a cabinet member overseas on a non-mission-essential visit, unnecessarily diverting State Department and DOD resources, is ludicrous, not to mention an abuse of taxpayer dollars.”

    The official added that the military charters “require refueling and the support of personnel at military bases such as Ramstein Air Base, which is currently being used to transport and house thousands of people fleeing Afghanistan.”

    The Department of Energy declined to comment on the justification for the flight and how much it cost.

    Granholm on Monday flew to Ukraine to attend the Crimea Platform Summit, a conference to support Crimea’s independence from Russia.

    Also on Monday, the Pentagon instituted an emergency program called the “Civil Reserve Air Fleet,” which ordered civilian airlines, including American Airlines and Delta Airlines, to provide planes to help the evacuation efforts from Afghanistan. The program was last used during the early days of the Iraq war.

    Even if you want to argue that Sec. Granholm was perfectly suited to use a military jet, you have to question her ridiculous timing and wonder if she has any clue as to how awful this looks. And I’m wondering why the Energy Secretary represents us at a conference on the security of the Crimea, except for maybe the fact that Kiev is lovely this time of year.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  153. JVW,
    I can agree that Australia overreacted with quarantines and curfews and lockdowns and such, but their GDP still compares favorably to the US, whose commander-in-chief underreacted and lied and disinformed and downtalked about it.
    Australia 2020 GDP growth: -2.44%, and +4.54% in 2021
    US 2020 GDP growth: -3.51%, +6.39% in 2021
    Source: Statista

    At year-end 2020, the US was at 1,098 deaths per million and Australia was 35 deaths per million.

    Personally, I think the problem with our country is how this virus was politicized, practically from Day One. Instead of complaining about rights and freedoms, which were never in question, the focus should’ve been about being civic-minded, about being good neighbors. Thank you, Trump, for that.

    Paul Montagu (5de684)

  154. I don’t disagree with you, but many Fox viewers don’t know the difference.

    Never underestimate the audience. Most do and tune in for the heat, not the light. Time slot has a lot to do w/it, too. If Carlson was slotted on a Sunday opposite Sharpton in the cable news graveyard, he’d not draw nearly as many eyeballs. Television is about making money, not generating enlightenment.

    Fox has never hidden the fact its primetime cable line up is opinion, not news, too. And Fox- is by origin is an entertainment enterprise [our own offices in NYC were on the 2nd floor at 1211 6th which CBS leased from Fox- now the current ‘Fox News’ NYC HQ studios]. TV is about generating profits– and Carlson is competing the other opinion clown showmen, ‘news’ cablers, prime time broadcast network programing, the web and w/500 channels –as well as Barney Miller, Gilligan’s Island and I Dream of Jeannie reruns. It’s all about chasing ratings and $.

    “Follow the money.” – Deep Thoat [Hal Holbrook] ‘All The President’s Men’ 1976

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  155. One wonders if Western Australia is markedly different in response due to historical contempt for New South Wales and the 2 big cities in the SE plus the influx of Afrikaners to Perth and nearby areas.

    urbanleftbehind (b04175)

  156. #155
    Was she accompanied by Ukraine Defense Minister in waiting Vindman? and did Hunter Biden tag along to provide expertise on Crimea?

    steveg (ebe7c1)

  157. Thank you, Trump, for that.

    Thank a butterfingered Chinaman who dropped a test tube instead.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  158. @144 all we’d hear is that trump is worse than communism

    JF (e1156d)

  159. AJ you seem to love to tell the right to do better, but don’t offer any solutions.

    Rob, you offer little more than fearmongering and hyperbole. Some “solutions”.

    Paul Montagu (5de684)

  160. Rip Murdock (46eeea) — 8/28/2021 @ 12:01 pm

    Let me know when they start seizing companies and industries in the name of the proletariat and rounding up class enemies to be sent to re-education camps.

    Because then you’ll have a political party you can really get behind? That’s the only reason to wait until then. At that point it’s a little late to “vote” for the other team.

    frosty (3ee3f8)

  161. @164 you missed the joke. He’s mocking the silly hyperbole

    Time123 (ea13e9)

  162. The most translated book from every nation here.
    I’m embarrassed that the US winner is something from the inventor or Scientology, while Canada’s is Anne of Green Gables. Russia’s is that Karen book.

    Paul Montagu (5de684)

  163. Paul, My kids loved the Ann of Green Gables series that Netflix did. Worth giving a shot.

    Time123 (ea13e9)

  164. @162, He lost because was a terrible president. Get over it.

    Time123 (ea13e9)

  165. I think the world is in a dangerous place because of Biden’s numerous weaknesses.
    Even at his peak, Biden was considered very below average leader, no stable genius.
    The USA will continue to be tested, by its adversaries and Biden and his crack team of credentialed fools will fail again and again. If Biden makes it to 2024, you can bet foreign money will flood into the US trying to get Biden re-elected because a palace eunuch led America is in their greater interest.
    Beware though, palace eunuchs can get bi*chy as heck and some day will lash out at whomever is making them look bad. Like the two stooges from ISIS-K? Sort of..
    The eunuchs are going to try to call a lid on the ongoing embarrassment by blowing up some other, larger, sideways place where no one gives an F. Biden is a regular guy, low level dunce surrounded by credentialed dunces. They’ll put their brains together and do something that restarts the war in Korea or something equally mindless

    steveg (ebe7c1)

  166. 155-JVW
    Thanks for that update.
    Optics don’t matter, they will do as they please.

    mg (8cbc69)

  167. This has to be a plan to take our freedom. Hard to imagine all these uniformed leaders being this stupid.

    mg (8cbc69)

  168. One of the many things I learned from this little classic is that serious diseases do sometimes disappear on their own (as well as with our help). For example, sweating sickness.

    And this happened even before we had vaccines, antibiotics, antivirals, and virucides. (Though they did have quarantines back then.)

    Assuming there’s no animal reservoir, it is, usually, just a matter of getting R0 below 1.0, and keeping it there. Usually.

    Before the Delta variant came along, I thought we would essentially eliminate COVID in the US by early next year. Probably.

    Now, I think it will take longer but, since there is no animal reservoir in the US — as far as I know — I think it is likely to take until the end of next year. (Though we might do better if we worked together. Thought you all might appreciate that bitter little joke.)

    And there are already promising treatments, notably Regeneron’s antibodies.

    Jim Miller (edcec1)

  169. Time123 (ea13e9) — 8/28/2021 @ 11:51 am

    They’re find with protectionism and collectivism

    Do you believe that or are you trolling? What do you think collectivism is and can you give an example of a DT policy that was collectivist or one pushed by his base?

    frosty (474ebf)

  170. 170.This has to be a plan to take our freedom. Hard to imagine all these uniformed leaders being this stupid.

    Is it?

    “Forget the myths the media’s created about the White House. The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand.” – Deep Throat [Hal Holbrook] ‘All The President’s Men’ 1976

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  171. Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm earlier this week chartered a military jet to attend a diplomatic summit in Ukraine as the Pentagon struggled to evacuate Americans and allies from Afghanistan with limited time and operational resources, sources told the Washington Free Beacon.

    At least she didn’t flee to Cancun. There’s a pattern: she’s Canadian by birth, too- but better eye candy when it comes to curling.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  172. Weather Channel update: Ida- now Cat 2, approaching Cat 3- headed directly for New Orleans.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  173. 174, cue the Steve of 57 for that 1967 film about the Canadian WW 2 regiment

    urbanleftbehind (b04175)

  174. Not enough outrage from the occupants of elected offices in d.c. Going back to what some people call normal is insanity to me. These people don’t understand no matter who runs from the republican party they will be treated like President Bush and President Trump were. Jeb would have been eaten alive by the press. We need someone who is brutally honest and not a lawyer. A carpenter wood work!

    mg (8cbc69)

  175. 176
    Steve57 had the goods.

    mg (8cbc69)

  176. @173 Eviction moratorium

    Time123 (ea13e9)

  177. I’m surprised DCSCA hasn’t mentioned this.

    Rip Murdock (46eeea)

  178. @181. Did. On another thread yesterday. Surprised you missed it.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  179. @180. Israeli drones can do that. 😉

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  180. Germany’s role in Afghanistan:

    All three parties are implicated in the utter failure of nation-building in Afghanistan. Germany’s military involvement in Afghanistan started under a Social Democrat-Green Party coalition in 2001 and eventually became the largest and longest German military deployment in the country’s post-World War II history. At times over the past two decades, the Germans comprised the second-largest Western military force in Afghanistan after the United States; a total of some 150,000 Germans served there. But if U.S. support for German democracy after World War II was the best example of American nation-building, Afghanistan now counts as one of the worst. And Germany — which took no part in the Vietnam War, for example — is part of that failure.

    I knew, of course, that our NATO allies had joined us in Afghanistan, but I had no idea Germany had contributed so many, over the decades, though I do believe most of them were involved in training and logistics, rather than combat.

    (From a WaPo opinion piece by Berlin-based Ian Bateson.)

    Jim Miller (edcec1)

  181. 180 – He could’ve eaten too much brisket.

    mg (8cbc69)

  182. @181. Did. On another thread yesterday. Surprised you missed it.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 8/28/2021 @ 2:25 pm

    Otherwise engaged.

    Rip Murdock (46eeea)

  183. Rip Murdock (46eeea) — 8/28/2021 @ 12:01 pm

    Let me know when they start seizing companies and industries in the name of the proletariat and rounding up class enemies to be sent to re-education camps.

    Because then you’ll have a political party you can really get behind? That’s the only reason to wait until then. At that point it’s a little late to “vote” for the other team.

    I was mocking NJRob’s clear hyperbole. Sorry you didn’t get it.

    Rip Murdock (46eeea)

  184. Paul, My kids loved the Ann of Green Gables series that Netflix did. Worth giving a shot.

    I saw the Netflix edition and the one they did in the 1980s with the cute redhead, Time. I like ’em both. I might’ve even read a book or two.

    Paul Montagu (5de684)

  185. And we took out the founder of ISIS, al-Baghdadi, and then of course Soleimani. Now just so you understand, Soleimani is bigger by many, many times than Osama bin Laden. The founder of ISIS is bigger by many, many times, al-Baghdadi, than Osama bin Laden. Osama bin Laden had one hit, and it was a bad one, in New York city, the World Trade Center. But these other two guys were monsters.

    OBL the Norman Greenbaum of terrorists.

    Davethulhu (aa6793)

  186. I’m not being hyperbolic. The left and their policies as supported by the Democrats in Congress are trying to collapse our economic system. They are deliberately using the Cloward-Piven strategy to destroy our nation.

    NJRob (e8bc0e)

  187. 190… I just think of all those families in New York and New Jersey who lost family members and would really appreciate your joke, Cthulhu.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  188. 180… just think… only 3 and 1/2 years of national embarrassment and humiliation to go.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  189. “I just think of all those families in New York and New Jersey who lost family members and would really appreciate your joke, Cthulhu.”

    I’m quoting your boy Trump, Haiku.

    Davethulhu (aa6793)

  190. “OBL the Norman Greenbaum of terrorists.”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  191. I’m paraphrasing Trump. Do you not agree with him that OBL was a “one hit” wonder?

    Davethulhu (aa6793)

  192. Time123 (ea13e9) — 8/28/2021 @ 2:08 pm

    One of us has a moderated comment in their history throwing the number off.

    The moratorium is bad and I can see some people calling it that. It makes a nice talking point but I don’t think it fits the bill. It also seems to have been a thing driven by the D’s even during the Trump admin.

    Is that all you’ve got? Just that one example? Seems like “fine with collectivism” would involve more than that. Do you think every instance of theft is collective property redistribution?

    It didn’t seem like you had much of an issue with the moratorium. Aren’t you “fine” with it? It hardly seems like much of a criticism when the only people really worked up about are more like me.

    frosty (f27e97)

  193. All three of those SOBs were mass murderers and it’s arguably the case al-Baghdaddi and Soleimani were responsible for many more deaths, but no, the guy Clinton let escape back in the 90s wasn’t a one hit wonder.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  194. And your joke still isn’t funny.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  195. Rip Murdock (46eeea) — 8/28/2021 @ 3:14 pm

    No, I get that you’re trying to mock and deflect. It’s much easier than saying something you might have to stand by.

    frosty (f27e97)

  196. No, I get that you’re trying to mock and deflect. It’s much easier than saying something you might have to stand by.

    Easy as pie… or is it lie: learn from a pro:

    “There’s going to be no circumstance where you see people being lifted off the roof of an embassy of the United States in Afghanistan. The likelihood there’s going to be the Taliban overrunning everything and owning the whole country is highly unlikely.” – Squinty McStumblebum, July 8, 2021

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  197. Jim Miller (edcec1) — 8/28/2021 @ 1:37 pm

    Are you suggesting we close the borders 100%, vaccinate 100% of the US, and leave the borders closed until it goes away in the rest of the world? And that we can do that before it mutates into a variant not covered by the vaccine? The current vaccine is already less effective against delta so when do you think we’ll get a new vaccine and can start this new round?

    frosty (f27e97)

  198. Kayleigh McEnany
    @kayleighmcenany

    Remember these names!

    Heroes of our military who made the ultimate sacrifice

    Maxton Soviak, 22
    Kareem Nikoui, 20
    David Lee Espinoza, 20
    Rylee McCollum, 20
    Jared Schmitz, 20
    Hunter Lopez, 22
    Daegan Page, 23
    Ryan Knauss, 23
    Darin Taylor Hoover Jr., 31

    & 4 whose names we’ll learn

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  199. I think this evacuation of Kabul under limited attack will go down in history as a “how not to retreat”

    steveg (ebe7c1)

  200. frosty 1:37 – No. Here’s a simple explanation:

    The most important uses of {\displaystyle R_{0}}R_{0} are determining if an emerging infectious disease can spread in a population and determining what proportion of the population should be immunized through vaccination to eradicate a disease. In commonly used infection models, when {\displaystyle R_{0}>1}{\displaystyle R_{0}>1} the infection will be able to start spreading in a population, but not if {\displaystyle R_{0}<1}{\displaystyle R_{0}<1}. Generally, the larger the value of {\displaystyle R_{0}}R_{0}, the harder it is to control the epidemic. For simple models, the proportion of the population that needs to be effectively immunized (meaning not susceptible to infection) to prevent sustained spread of the infection has to be larger than {\displaystyle 1-1/R_{0}}{\displaystyle 1-1/R_{0}}.[9] Conversely, the proportion of the population that remains susceptible to infection in the endemic equilibrium is {\displaystyle 1/R_{0}}{\displaystyle 1/R_{0}}.

    (You can go to the article to see the equations, obviously.)

    Right now, the estimates I have seen for the R0 value for the delta variant are around 6 or 7 — and that explains why cases and deaths are rising, after their long decline from the January peak.

    (There are, of course, things we can all do to reduce R0, like staying away from large events, especially large indoor events.)

    That should be enough information for you to estimate the proportion of people who need to have immunity, through vaccines or the disease, before COVID begins to decline, and eventually vanish.

    I look forward to seeing your estimates — but not with bated breath.

    Perhaps I am naïve, but I like to think most of us will come to understand that our enemy is the virus, not each other.

    Jim Miller (edcec1)

  201. One of our fallen dead is a woman.

    Unforgivable. Way to go, Joe. Weep to Beau while dog-walking Americans scrape you off the bottom of their shoes.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  202. https://www.startribune.com/slain-marine-who-cradled-baby-at-kabul-airport-loved-her-job/600091845/

    If this doesn’t bring you to tears and want you to piss on Beau Biden’s grave, nothing will.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  203. 25th Amendment time.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  204. Frosty, you asked for “an example”. The collectivist Dems & Republicans agree on that one. I’ve been pretty vocal about it before and criticized it earlier in this thread.

    If you want more you can add his love of tarrifs for politically important industries, and funneling government cash to favored companies (e.g. carrier and fox con)

    Time123 (edb5fd)

  205. I think this evacuation of Kabul under limited attack will go down in history as a “how not to retreat”

    More like “Stalin was right”. There was nothing here that was new, or unprecedented, or that any 90-day wonder is not taught how to do in OCS. It’s just a complete and utter f***up by command clowns who got their rank for knowing what to kiss and when.

    nk (1d9030)

  206. Gov DeSantis offers a helpful map where Floridians can get monoclonal antibody treatments for Covid, and Tim Miller also has a helpful map.
    MABs can be effective, but they’re no substitute for the vaccine.

    Paul Montagu (5de684)

  207. “There was nothing here that was new, or unprecedented”

    You need to give Joe more credit.

    “But not even Biden’s direst critics could have predicted that he would provide the Taliban with around 350 state-of-the-art military helicopters, so making it the owner of the world’s fourth-largest military helicopter fleet, ahead of any NATO country aside from the USA, and behind only Russia and China. Indeed, Taliban now has three times as many attack helicopters as the UK. Biden also threw in a few dozen light attack aircraft, thousands of armoured personnel carriers, fifty-five battle tanks, a thousand mortars and 110,000 automatic rifles, plus four Hercules transports for good luck: not so much Lend-Lease as Wander-Squander.”

    https://kevinmyers.ie/2021/08/24/our-civilisation-just-walked-off-a-cliff/

    Obudman (6228e1)

  208. NICOLE GEE, 23

    A week before she was killed, Sgt. Nicole Gee cradled a baby in her arms at the Kabul airport. She posted the photo on Instagram and wrote, “I love my job.”

    Gee, 23, of Sacramento, California, was a maintenance technician with the 24th Marine Expeditionary Unit from Camp Lejeune in North Carolina.

    Brig. Gen. Forrest C. Poole III, commanding general of 2nd Marine Logistics Group, said his unit mourned “the immense loss of Sgt. Gee,” and the others.

    Sgt. Mallory Harrison, who lived with Gee for three years, wrote about how hard the death hit her.

    “I can’t quite describe the feeling I get when I force myself to come back to reality & think about how I’m never going to see her again,” Harrison wrote on Facebook. “How her last breath was taken doing what she loved — helping people. … Then there was an explosion. And just like that, she’s gone.”

    Gee’s Instagram page shows another photo of her in fatigues, holding a rifle next to a line of people walking into the belly of a large transport plane. She wrote: “escorting evacuees onto the bird.”

    Photos show her on a camel in Saudi Arabia, in a bikini on a Greek isle and holding a beer in Spain. One from this month in Kuwait shows her beaming with her meritorious promotion to sergeant.

    Harrison said her generation of Marines hears war stories from veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts, but they seem distant until “the peaceful float you were on turns into … your friends never coming home.”

    Gee’s car was still parked in a lot at Camp Lejeune, and Harrison mused about all the Marines who walked past it while she was overseas.

    “Some of them knew her. Some of them didn’t.” she said. “They all walked past it. The war stories, the losses, the flag-draped coffins, the KIA bracelets & the heartbreak. It’s not so distant anymore.”

    This one United States Marine was worth 1000 Beau’s and 10,000 Hunters.

    Joe Biden: your incompetence killed her.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  209. Pompeo is also not going to come out well, what with his involvement in the Taliban surrender agreement.

    Paul Montagu (5de684)

  210. @214. Beaush!t; more Neocon creamed chipped Cheney on a shingle.

    This is ALL on Biden.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  211. Obudman @212. Are those ours that we abandoned or things we had equipped “Our Afghans Allies” with?

    And either way, the military-industrial complex made out like bandits in our Global War On Slut Shaming — Afghanistan Front, didn’t they?

    nk (1d9030)

  212. @216. And how.

    Now count just how many contractors, subcontractors and financing resources are/were based in Delaware.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  213. I just want the 2nd Amendment rights that Biden gave the Taliban.

    NJRob (e8bc0e)

  214. A little late, some of us may think:

    Amazon late Friday disabled a website used by a propaganda arm of the Islamic State that celebrated the suicide bombing that killed at least 170 people in Kabul on Thursday after The Washington Post reported the extremists relied on the company’s technology to promote extremism.

    Be interesting to see where the site goes — and interesting to find out who has been financing them — if we can.

    (The content was in Urdu, the official language of Pakistan.)

    Jim Miller (edcec1)

  215. Just a reminder…

    Q: Who ceased being POTUS at 12 Noon EDT on January 20, 2021?
    A: Donald Trump

    Q: Who succeeded Trump as POTUS and has been in that office for every second since then?
    A: Joseph Robinette Biden

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  216. Q: Who ceased being POTUS at 12 Noon EDT on January 20, 2021?
    A: Donald Trump

    Q: Who succeeded Trump as POTUS and has been in that office for every second since then?
    A: M. T. Suit

    FIFY

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  217. Ricky Diaz 🇺🇸🇵🇷
    @iamrickydiaz

    𝗧𝗛𝗘𝗡:
    26,000 troops sent to rescue 535 congress members hiding under desks from people with flags & red hats.

    𝗡𝗢𝗪:
    5,000 troops being sent to rescue 15,000 American citizens hiding from Islamic terrorists who were just handed a list of their names by the #Biden admin.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  218. It should be obvious that R0 is not a constant.

    It depends on how severe the average infection is, and they will get more severe with time. Especially with this disease.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  219. #223 Sammy – Did you miss this sentence in my comment? “(There are, of course, things we can all do to reduce R0, like staying away from large events, especially large indoor events.)”

    And this puzzles me: “they will get more severe with time”. Ordinarily, diseases evolve to become less deadly.

    But perhaps I misunderstand you.

    Jim Miller (edcec1)

  220. yeah, biden was steered wrong by pompeo, the military brass, and defense contractors chasing $$

    it’s on them

    this is the narrative the media will rally around

    it’s being focus group tested right here in the comments

    JF (e1156d)

  221. “it’s being focus group tested right here in the comments”

    Who here in the comments do you think are agents of the media and/or DNC?

    Davethulhu (aa6793)

  222. @226 wow, that joke was so spot on someone took it seriously

    JF (e1156d)

  223. The guy doesn’t recognize “funny”, hence the “Norman Greenbaum” weak attempt at a joke.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  224. Some folks may remember the half waddle/half shuffle off stage Nadler used after an apparent sharting incident, but the man has other talents: https://twitter.com/RitaPanahi/status/1431571574629363714?s=20

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  225. “The guy doesn’t recognize “funny”, hence the “Norman Greenbaum” weak attempt at a joke.”

    I’m sorry your feelings were hurt.

    Davethulhu (aa6793)

  226. At least she didn’t flee to Cancun. There’s a pattern: she’s Canadian by birth, too- but better eye candy when it comes to curling.

    As far as we know, Ted Cruz went to Cancun on his own money and flew on a plane that wasn’t otherwise needed for a national emergency situation. Kind of the exact opposite of Jennifer Granholm.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  227. @231. But he was on the clock as a U.S. Senator and fled his state amidst an emergency.
    Granholm was just being a bureaucrat- though one could ask, why not just Zoom the mtg.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  228. @227. wow, that joke was so spot on someone took it seriously

    Joe Biden, Inauguration Day, 2021.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  229. 225.’yeah, biden was steered wrong by …’

    Ouija Board Beau.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  230. Jim Miller (edcec1) — 8/28/2021 @ 4:58 pm

    Hopefully you’re breathing normally and won’t be surprised. I don’t think this R0 discussion is going to give you the satisfaction you’re looking for.

    I’ve got a passing understanding of it. In more general terms than what you’ve given; it’s an estimate based on past data that can be used to predict future growth. It’s a combination of a number of variables, many of which aren’t known, that can be constantly changing.

    I’m willing to accept the R0 you’ve posted without looking it up. If we’re at 6-7 with ~70% of the population vaccinated and the current vaccine showing ~66% effectiveness against delta I don’t see us getting to R less than 1 with any of the tactics we’ve employed so far, including the vaccine. We don’t hit less than 1 with the flu.

    If you’re looking for me to calculate a future R0 you’ll be waiting a while. I don’t see any value in speculating on a future estimate.

    If you’re argument is an equation at the current R0 tells you the actual number of people who need to be vaccinated I’d say you are mistaken. It tells you the estimated number of people. You actually say that but it sounds like you’re putting more faith in that estimate than I am. The estimate relies on the underlying factors remaining statistically equivalent to the factors used to calculate the R0.

    I seem to remember at one point the target for vaccination was 70% to hit herd immunity. We hit that and the numbers changed because the situation changed.

    I’ve said I don’t believe the R0 will go below 1 even with 100% vaccination because I don’t think the situation is static. I also don’t see us going below 1 because you can still catch and transmit the virus after the vaccine. I keep seeing a comparison to smallpox but as far as I know you don’t get smallpox after getting the vaccine. So far we’ve not been able to stay ahead of the virus and I don’t see that changing.

    More generally than even that; you seem to be saying we’ll get below 1 with the vaccine. I may be misunderstanding that since I don’t see anything you’ve said to support that. It sounds like you’re saying at the current R0 if we vaccinated the estimated number of people we’d be done. I’m saying you’re ignoring the fact that you can’t do that instantly. The basic models don’t support the argument it sounds like you’re making because by the time you make any significant progress the underlying conditions will change.

    There’s no use anthropomorphizing a virus. They aren’t even alive. I don’t have the same view of people willing to embrace authoritarianism.

    frosty (f27e97)

  231. Time123 (edb5fd) — 8/28/2021 @ 5:30 pm

    If you want more you can add his love of tarrifs for politically important industries, and funneling government cash to favored companies (e.g. carrier and fox con)

    Also not collectivism. Good talking points though.

    frosty (f27e97)

  232. Also not collectivism. Good talking points though.

    Potemkin

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  233. Thulhu plays “Lame or Die”, one game he’s quite familiar with…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  234. Paul #214
    Pompeo was given uneviable the task of marrying western contract law with the Taliban’s interpretation of Islamic contract law when dealing with infidels. It was doomed from the start. Every place the Taliban side signed in Pashtun translated as: “God Willing” phrased in a way that would translate into modern American english as: “We don’t need no stinking badges” or “like we told you before, God said no”

    steveg (ebe7c1)

  235. Pompeo is also not going to come out well, what with his involvement in the Taliban surrender agreement.

    Considering all the Trump decisions that Biden ignored or overturned — including a few good ones — he cannot choose to follow one and then blame Trump when it backfires.

    Kevin M (e4323c)

  236. But, yeah, Pompeo screwed the pooch, too.

    Kevin M (e4323c)

  237. Q: Who ceased being POTUS at 12 Noon EDT on January 20, 2021?
    A: Donald Trump

    Q: Who succeeded Trump as POTUS and has been in that office for every second since then?
    A: A Politburo

    FIFY^2

    Kevin M (e4323c)

  238. Frosty,

    Do you believe that FDR was wrong in calling for a Draft in WW2?

    Kevin M (e4323c)

  239. OT: The New Mexico Democrats are all on board with Biden shutting down drilling n federal land (which is to say the vast majority of New Mexico).

    But they are quite happy to spend that oil money.

    Sky-high revenue bolstered by surging oil, natural gas production

    Bolstered by surging oil and natural gas production, and a rise in consumer spending, the state is on track to collect an all-time high windfall of more than $8.8 billion in revenue in the coming budget year.

    The eye-popping revenue figure – nearly $1 billion higher than what was projected in February – was unveiled Friday at a Legislative Finance Committee meeting at Taos Ski Valley.

    It could allow for big spending increases on New Mexico public schools, roads, health care programs and possibly help fund new initiatives, though specific plans from the Legislature and Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham are not expected to be rolled out until January.

    The Little Red Hen wept.

    Kevin M (e4323c)

  240. I was looking at an end of the road hunting ranch in NM with a couple of friends and it was well priced, public lands on three sides, good numbers of over the counter elk tags, water buildings, and we all agreed no. Wyoming is colder and has its own challenges but land there is a better deal because of the political makeup is unlikely to try to f things up

    steveg (ebe7c1)

  241. Steveg, I’ve been looking at Wyoming as well for property, but my biggest concern is how someone on the left could spend some money to easily change the demographics there because of how it’s sparsely populated.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  242. It was doomed from the start.

    I agree, steve. Pompeo should not have negotiated with terrorists, which used to be American policy before that surrender agreement.

    Paul Montagu (c2e3f5)

  243. @41.

    No. No break for the murdering Scranton scumbag- or is it Wilmington the week: this is ALL on Biden.

    [ ] drive your kids school bus

    [ ] perform brain surgery

    [ ] pilot your 767

    [ ] park your 1965 Mustang

    [ X ] kill your countrymen and women out of pure incompetence

    Choose.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  244. @247. Rubbish. Neocon beaush!t; creamed chipped Cheney on toast.

    This is ALL on Biden. No excuses. No escape clauses. No ‘the buck stops here, there everywhere but my underwear.’ for him. ‘Buck’ him: this disaster is ALL the brain child of brain-damaged Joe.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  245. Do you believe that FDR was wrong in calling for a Draft in WW2?

    The United States was at peace, ‘neutral’ and not “in WW2” on September 16, 1940, when the Selective Service Training and Service Act (the nation’s first peacetime draft law) was signed, nearly 15 months before Pearl Harbor.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  246. Don’t recall JFK weeping ‘the buck stops with me but Dulles and Ike had a lot to do with this, too” after the Bay of Pigs fiasco. He went balls out in front of the nation, to the press and world, took the hard questions- didn’t need “instructed” on who to call on, and took the hit as “the responsible officer of the government.”

    This milquetoast mick got 20 year old Americans- just kids really- killed because he’s incompetent and must be held to account. Because every day he gets older and more senile is another opportunity for him to wreck lives and abandon or destroy more expensive property.

    It’s 25th Amendment time.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  247. 210-nk
    agree.

    mg (8cbc69)

  248. https://thefederalist.com/2021/08/27/israeli-study-natural-immunity-is-13x-stronger-than-pfizer-covid-shots/
    Great news for Americans, bad news for pharma and the lobbyists on this site.

    mg (8cbc69)

  249. https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/mother-of-fallen-marine-calls-into-radio-show-this-is-heartbreaking/
    I dare you biden backers to listen to this. You people have earned the hate.

    mg (8cbc69)

  250. Kevin M (e4323c) — 8/28/2021 @ 8:59 pm

    To the degree that it was conscription, yes. To the degree that it was a way to organize the mobilization, no.

    After the Japanese attack I don’t think getting men to fight in the war was a problem that needed to be solved by conscription. I’m also against it for a number of other reasons. On the other hand there is a need to coordinate the induction and training of a large number of men for military service.

    If you’re thinking I wouldn’t have fought the nazi’s you’d be wrong. I’d have done it with a volunteer army.

    Do you believe it was right for Vietnam? Did you notice we didn’t need it for the WoT? We killed a lot of good Americans on that last one with propaganda alone.

    frosty (f27e97)

  251. Canada (because of Quebec) didn’t have compulsory military service during \World \War II until 1944.

    In the U.S. the draft was instituted before the United States entered the war. The dragft law was passed , in 1940. \House Speaker Sam Rayburn closed the voting in the House when it had a margin of 1-vote, I think. I also think the term of service of those drafted was extended to “for the duration” after Pearl Harbor.

    It was called Selective service. Part of the argument for it was to keep better educated or skilled men out of the front lines. And instead assign them to jobs where they would be more useful. Not doing that was supposedly a mistake Great Britain had done in WORLD War I.

    This is what I remember.reading in places so details may be a bit wrong. This is all off the top of my head.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  252. Democrats are pining for the salad days…back when Biden made headlines for driving a battery-powered truck in front of a fawning media.

    Hoi Polloi (998b37)

  253. All crimes committed by the “Taliban” will be the responsibility of Pakistan. This is an open secret, even more so than the fact the coronavirus leaked from a laboratory. Anybody who doesn’t blame Pakistan is an fool.

    Blame must be placed where it belongs: Pakistan. There’s too much evidence of that. And how else could the Taliban accomplish what they did – and with such skill? THe Afghan army wasn’t so bad – the Taliban and their allies were good.

    Where did they get the resources (even allowing for “customs” taxes and opium smuggling?) Where did they get their ideas? Where did they have the leisure to plan?

    Some of the background to the planning I think, is based on the takeover of China by Mao. There are Pakistani officers would learn this. You have recently captured territory that is governed less cruelly, which was a tactic of Mao.

    There were Taliban leaders who were ready to make peace and settle down into a rich life. But Pakistani intelligence would always enable the United States to kill them.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/26/world/asia/afghanistan-pakistan-taliban.html

    The Real Winner of the Afghan War? It’s Not Who You Think.

    Just days after the Taliban took Kabul, their flag was flying high above a central mosque in Pakistan’s capital. It was an in-your-face gesture intended to spite the defeated Americans. But it was also a sign of the real victors in the 20-year Afghan war.

    Pakistan was ostensibly America’s partner in the war against Al Qaeda and the Taliban. Its military won tens of billions of dollars in American aid over the last two decades, even as Washington acknowledged that much of the money disappeared into unaccounted sinkholes.

    But it was a relationship riven by duplicity and divided interests from its very start after 9/11. Not least, the Afghan Taliban the Americans were fighting are, in large part, a creation of Pakistan’s intelligence service, the I.S.I., which through the course of the war nurtured and protected Taliban assets inside Pakistan.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  254. This is where the Taliban the Haqanni network got their list of names – not from something Biden deliberately handed over, although he handed over some names. They are now waiting to get organized They don’t want random killings, which could disrupt things and , after all, get the wrong persons.

    https://nypost.com/2021/08/27/taliban-kill-squad-hunting-afghans-with-americas-biometric-data

    Virtually everyone who worked with the Afghan government or the US military, including interpreters, drivers, nurses, and secretaries, was fingerprinted and scanned for the biometric database over the past 12 years.

    he database, which includes fingerprints, iris scans, and other biographical data, was housed in a white-washed building at the Ministry of Interior in Kabul. “The centerpiece of the program is the Afghan Automated Biometric Identification System (AABIS), administered by about 50 Afghans at the Ministry of Interior in Kabul,” according to a 2011 FBI news release. The US Army issued an official “Commander’s Guide to Biometrics In Afghanistan” manual in 2011.

    The U.S. started with data from some 300,000 Afghans in 2009, mainly prisoners and Afghan soldiers according to NATO, and the biometrics center opened in November 2010. US officials aimed to compile information on as many as 25 million Afghans, roughly 80 percent of the population, Annie Jacobsen, author of “First Platoon: A Story of Modern War in The Age of Identity Dominance” (Penguin, 2020), told National Public Radio last year. The exact number of Afghans covered by the database remains classified.

    At first, the US hoped to use the biometric database to spot Taliban infiltrators or catch the makers of roadside bombs, which had claimed the lives of hundreds of American and allied sources since 2001. Later, it evolved into a way to identify virtually every Afghan that US forces hired or visited. By 2014, the US Army was calling its strategy “identity dominance.”

    ,,,“We are not collecting new data — we already have it,” said Nawazuddin Haqqani. “The group [Al Isha] just keeps an eye that if someone has worked for America or the National Directorate of Security [the former Afghan government’s intelligence agency].”

    The database is also used to find any person who worked with British, European or Indian intelligence services, he said. “The matter is being blown out of proportion by the foreign media and its nothing more than a campaign to malign us,” he said. He contended that the database was used to spare the lives of foreign journalists. [only if they are killing, or intend to kill, a lot of other people]

    …Asked about reports that Pakistani intelligence officers were supervising the Al Isha unit’s use of biometric data to interrogate former U.S. allies, Nawazuddin Haqqani didn’t deny the Pakistan connection.

    “You are not that naive — you know the answer to that,” he said. “But what I can say is, it’s not necessary to train everyone in Pakistan. The Emirs [local Taliban chieftains] are quite capable of training the foot soldiers to handle the equipment.”

    This suggests Pakistan’s spy agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence or ISI, has access to America’s biometric database. If Al Isha can identify Indian intelligence sources in Afghanistan, the Pakistanis will pursue them as well.

    Asked about details of the data collection, he refused to answer and said: “This is a question which [Taliban political spokesperson Suhail] Shaheen should answer.”

    Shaheen declined to comment on the existence of Al Isha, the presence of Pakistani intelligence officers and the use of U.S.-made biometric technology in Afghanistan.

    https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/pakistan-taliban-al-isha-unit-us-biometric-scanner-database-afghans-1846640-2021-08-29

    rican, NDS [Afghanistan’s National Directorate of Security] and RAW’s [India’s Research and Analysis Wing] puppets won’t be let off. They will always be watched by Al Isha,” Nawazuddin Haqqani, one of the brigade commanders of the Taliban’s Al Nisha unit – that is using US data to hunt down Afghans that help the US and Nato allies, said.,,

    The database going into the hands of the Taliban is significant because virtually every Afghan that worked with the previous government or with the US forces as interpreters, drivers, nurses, and secretaries were scanned for the biometric database over the last 12 years.

    There were a total of 7,000 hand-held scanners and the US has not yet confirmed how many have been left behind.

    [this will eliminate the possibility of lying, once identified. It should be understood that scanning them would be the final stage.]

    When asked about Pakistan’s involvement in the Al Isha unit, Nawazuddin Haqqani said if any Indian intelligence is identified by the unit in Afghanistan, Pakistan could pursue it.

    Nawazuddin Haqqani said the Al Isha isn’t a new unit. It is one of the three groups under the Khalil Haqqani Brigade. The Khalil Haqqani Brigade is a 2,000-member strong brigade named under Khalil Haqqani who has a $5 million bounty on his head and leads the Badri 313 unit.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  255. Anyone else notice our next president visited the site were the Vietnamese mark the shooting down of McCain? Looks like she commemorated the event. This was going on during the AF chaos. The press reports the site as a memorial to McCain.

    frosty (f27e97)

  256. 235.

    frosty (f27e97) — 8/28/2021 @ 7:53 pm We don’t hit less than 1 with the flu.

    Then the number of cases would expand to infinity, and it doesn’t, so we do hit R0 <1

    It can go extinct. The 1918 flu did. But more usually when the number of cases goes way down, R0 increases again but can't go up much. It is said it can infect some animals.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  257. 35. whembly (ae0eb5) — 8/27/2021 @ 7:05 pm

    The ICU department are not fixed number of beds and most institutions have large PRN staff to surge when census is high. When census is high, additional ICU/recovery beds can be activated.

    It wasn’t the limited number if beds at that hospital

    You could almost pass over it, but the problem was that that hospital was never equipped to handle a case like that.

    Normally they would transfer him to another hospital. But other hospitals in the area had stopped accepting new patients (ambulances were diverted away or something)

    He was killed more by bureaucracy than becase the number of cases of Covid had spiked..

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  258. DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 8/27/2021 @ 7:58 pm

    If they knew this towelhead was a ‘planner’ and how and where to target him, had competent management popped him a month ago… or 3 days ago– 13 of our guys might still be alive.

    They say they killed two, and wounded a third, but won;t give their names or describe what role they had in the bombing.

    I thought ISIS in Khorasan (an area that includes Iran, and part of Afghanistan and former Soviet central Asia) was supposed to be completely out of Nangarhar province, defeated in 2018 by a combination of the Taliban, the U,S, Air Force and the Afghan army, their members scattered, their leader, Regional Governor “Abu Omar Khorasani” who had responsibility for all of Asia to the east also, and no superior after Baghdadi was killed, in a Kabul prison where he hoped to be released after the Taliban took over. . He and 8 other members if ISIS-K were executed by the Taliban government make that the Haqqani network make that Pakistani intelligence, instead.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  259. 263. It figurea.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  260. 219. Jim Miller (edcec1) — 8/28/2021 @ 6:16 pm

    (The content was in Urdu, the official language of Pakistan.)

    They are not even really hiding it.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  261. @130, NJRob: “I notice you studiously avoid mentioning social issues, liberty issues and anything else not in the economic spectrum. That’s all too common of those who claim to be Republican but have no interest in fighting for Republican values.”

    With economic issues, there is some hope for compromise and consensus. With cultural issues….moral issues….oftentimes framed as existential threats to our very society, how does one compromise? Our country is fragmenting into two camps…with very little that binds us together. Is that a good state? Should we double down on it? Should we further divide families, neighbors, co-workers based on who says “Merry Christmas” or who says “Happy Holidays”? The current friction…exacerbated by a bubble-media….with more and more of our interpersonal interactions occuring electronically through tweets and social media…..is setting us up for more violent confrontations as there is little room to keep elevating the rhetoric. January 6th and the BLM riots are a pre-cursor to where things are going. I question whether over-blowing the threat of Critical Race Theory accomplishes much….or weighing in on local communities making decisions about local statues on municipal grounds. Simply dismissing all questions of race as having been resolved….maintains an unhealthy tension that is going to continue to percolate. We need to find ways to have reasonable conversations….not just bang drums and yell epithets.

    Everybody has their pet cultural issues….and competing visions about what “liberty” actually means. I’m sure that someone here who doesn’t want to be told to get a vaccine has a strange bedfellow in a single woman confronted with an unplanned pregancy. Neither wants to be told what to do with their body. The change in public opinion over gay marriage has been seismic. Were warnings about the existential threat to the institution over-stated two decades ago? Was keeping gays in the closet morally necessary? Don’t get me wrong….our society has been coarsened. We’ve moved somewhat away from prizing hard work, personal responsibility, individual merit, delayed gratification, and social mobility. We have an over-sexualized, frequently mean-spirited, and vapid culture. We should always struggle to elevate that and call out the worst offenders.

    Part of the “solution” is federalism….and local people seeking compromise. But another key part is finding common purpose…..talking with people we disagree with and not simply talking at them. There’s no great answer to tribalism. Maybe rather than mining the internet for grievances, get more active in your community….become so busy that these other things become less consuming. We have a great country, talk about withdrawing from an endless and costly war….

    AJ_Liberty (a4ff25)

  262. I kept on reading Op-ed pieces by various people about what to do or what they hope will be done with regard to Afghanistan that were out of date by the time they appeared.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  263. Six children of RFK wrote a statement that said that Sirhan Sirhan should not be released. Two, including RFK Jr. are in favor. RFK Jr believes in a second, or maybe a different, gunman

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  264. You weren’t “lied to”, FWO, because the Delta variant changed the rules.

    Paul Montagu (5de684) — 8/28/2021 @ 9:29 am

    No, I was lied to. There’s always been something “changing the rules” for the last year and a half. I guarantee these power-mongers are going to come up with something different that will “change the rules” again–taking booster shots every five months for the rest of our lives (why exactly was Pfizer was authorized, since it’s supposedly less effective against Delta), some new variant (I suspect the “super-COVID” strain that’s supposedly a combination of several variants will be the next big one they start pushing); there will always be a reason why we have to keep restrictions in place.

    I have no reason–none whatsoever–to trust these people now. The last year and a half hasn’t been their finest hour but especially with what’s happened in the last couple of weeks now, what’s the use in taking what they say at face value?

    With economic issues, there is some hope for compromise and consensus. With cultural issues….moral issues….oftentimes framed as existential threats to our very society, how does one compromise?

    AJ_Liberty (a4ff25) — 8/29/2021 @ 6:40 am

    People are not purely economic creatures. That realization is what led Marxists like Gramsci, and later Marcuse and the New Left, to shift from appealing to class conflict, to focusing on taking over cultural pillars.

    It’s hardly a coincidence that a lot of the older neocons were ex-Trotskyites, and when they finally gained control of the GOP in the late 80s, the party migrated to a largely economic/foreign policy platform while retreating on every domestic cultural front. 30 years later, the left has complete control over all of our cultural institutions. Listening to the neocons may have won some battles, but ultimately, their strategy lost the war where it really matters.

    Factory Working Orphan (2775f0)

  265. 155. The bottleneck isn’t the number of military airplanes, so this is a phony issue.

    It’s close to the kind of issue that caused Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett to charter an El-al airplane for his visit to the United States instead of using the plane designated for the Prime Minister.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  266. <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/27/bidens-afghanistan-policy-shows-world-wobbly-impulsive-us/"George Will:

    In the immediate aftermath of the heroic rescue of soldiers from Dunkirk, Winston Churchill addressed the British as adults, reminding them that “wars are not won by evacuations.” As the U.S. engagement in Afghanistan ends, the authors of the ignominious and tragic last chapter are hoping that perceptions will be more malleable than facts are.

    With an effrontery that deserves derision, the Biden administration has compared U.S. flights out of Kabul to the U.S. flights into Berlin that began in 1948. Both exemplified U.S. military virtuosity, but sent different signals.

    By sustaining a blockaded city of 2.2 million, the Promethean delivery of food and fuel into Berlin — almost 300,000 flights, over 11 months — announced that the United States had the will and capacity for a prolonged confrontation with the Soviet Union. The flights out of Kabul, rescuing some of the Americans and others caught in a made-in-America calamity, announce national bewilderment. This is what “America First” looks like when a slogan becomes a policy.

    Every war, even inconclusive ones, must end, but not like this. In late November 1952, president-elect Dwight D. Eisenhower flew in a light plane over the front lines in Korea. “It was obvious,” he laconically recalled in his 1963 memoirs, “that any frontal attack would present great difficulties.” He decided to seek a negotiated end to the war. Sixty-nine years later, there are 28,500 U.S. troops, and peace, on the Korean Peninsula.

    The current president’s party controls both houses of Congress, and nowadays members of both parties act as though their duty is not to make independent institutional judgments but rather to demonstrate a vassal’s fealty to presidents of their party.

    Paul Montagu (5de684)

  267. Sammy, I agree with you about Pakistan’s role in harboring and supporting the Taliban. The ISI has been playing a double-game since before the War Against Militant Islamism began.

    No, I was lied to. There’s always been something “changing the rules” for the last year and a half.

    FWO, there’s a reason it was called a novel coronavirus. What else exactly was “changing the rules”?

    Paul Montagu (5de684)

  268. (why exactly was Pfizer was authorized, since it’s supposedly less effective against Delta)

    Because everything the FDA does is historical.

    When they gave it emergency authorization they used on;y two months of follow-up. That they tell us, is actually good enough. But the FA likes to be cautious, or make a show of it, so they normally used six month. Pfizer continued the followup and eventually had six months. That six months of clinical trial followup ended well before the Delta variant became predominant. The FDA took its time reviewing the data and finally approved it.

    Meanwhile they are trying to get doctors not to give the vaccine to those undr 12 which they legally can although maybe not get paid for it) – there is an actual reason here – the best dose is likely to be smaller and different doses are being tested out,

    They also don’t want people to get booster shots (except for some people whom it is not likely yo help much but they will pretend it might) before they give the go-ahead, which Biden and company expect and are pushing for.

    Remember: Nothing is fact until the FDA says it is.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  269. he Biden people are not interested in telling the truth but only in defending Biden’s decisions.

    Jake Sulllivan talks mostly about American citizens but sometimes throws in other people in general.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  270. FWO, there’s a reason it was called a novel coronavirus. What else exactly was “changing the rules”?

    Paul Montagu (5de684) — 8/29/2021 @ 7:28 am

    I.
    Don’t.
    Care.

    I’m tired of the excuses and goal-post shifting.

    I was told “two weeks to flatten the curve.” I was told “two months to get this under control.” I was told, “get the shot and you won’t have to wear a mask anymore.” I was told, “if we get to a certain percentage of vaccinated people, this all ends.”

    I’ve been lied to, over and over and over again. And all I get is constant apologias and excuse-mongering from the government’s apologists.

    These people are all liars, and the ones covering for them are no better than Squealer from Animal Farm.

    Factory Working Orphan (2775f0)

  271. “I.
    Don’t.
    Care.”

    Grow up. Stop being a petulant child.

    Davethulhu (aa6793)

  272. Central Bucks School Board, in Bucks County, Pennsylvania, voted 5-4 against imposing a mask mandate for the school district. The School Board is elected, and, in hearing from mask opponents in the board meeting, voted against the imposition of a mandate. Pennsylvania voters recently approved a state constitutional amendment which restricted Governor Tom Wolf’s (D-PA) authority to impose such a mandate on his own, something he has said he would do if he still had the authority.

    So, what happened? A group of parents has filed a federal lawsuit, seeking to have a judge overturn the decision. The kicker is: these brave parents are hiding their own identities in the lawsuit.

    So, we have parents suing the school, attempting to force other people to go along with their wishes, and to override the decision of the elected school board, and they don’t have the guts to identify themselves? I’m going to tell you what to do, but you don’t need to know who I am?

    The libertarian, but not Libertarian, Dana (3867c9)

  273. Grow up. Stop being a petulant child.

    Davethulhu (aa6793) — 8/29/2021 @ 8:17 am

    Shush, tankie.

    Factory Working Orphan (2775f0)

  274. While I’m certain that if he did this, it would be that reporter’s last day, but I’d love to see one of the White House Press Corps, on live television, ask Jen Psaki what her reaction is to the comparisons between her and Baghdad Bob?

    The libertarian, but not Libertarian, Dana (3867c9)

  275. So, we have parents suing the school, attempting to force other people to go along with their wishes, and to override the decision of the elected school board, and they don’t have the guts to identify themselves? I’m going to tell you what to do, but you don’t need to know who I am?

    The libertarian, but not Libertarian, Dana (3867c9) — 8/29/2021 @ 8:28 am

    Look at Dave’s response above. Their reaction to any criticism for the lack of credibility and accountability for their side is to tell the critics “shut up, anything bad that’s going on right now is your fault, not ours.” They’re like an abusive spouse who is constantly telling the people they beat “I don’t like hitting you, but you just make me so mad sometimes.”

    Factory Working Orphan (2775f0)

  276. AJ_Liberty (a4ff25) — 8/29/2021 @ 6:40 am

    So you flat out concede social issues to the left that has made race relations worse than they’ve been in 50 years, have told our children that their sex is fluid, and have turned the institution of marriage to its lowest point in recorded history. And that doesn’t even mention the way they’ve encouraged society to turn their back on God and His morality.

    No wonder you didn’t mention these issues.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  277. ” They’re like an abusive spouse who is constantly telling the people they beat “I don’t like hitting you, but you just make me so mad sometimes.””

    Always the victim.

    Davethulhu (aa6793)

  278. Thulu is a leftist, antifa apologist. Nothing he says surprises me.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  279. Always the victim.

    Davethulhu (aa6793) — 8/29/2021 @ 8:48 am

    The fact you can’t defend any of this is a bigger indictment of your side than your sad rejoinders.

    Factory Working Orphan (2775f0)

  280. Thulu is a leftist, antifa apologist. Nothing he says surprises me.

    NJRob (eb56c3) — 8/29/2021 @ 8:49 am

    He’s been notably absent from the Afghanistan threads the last few days, likely because the muddled and catastrophic nature of recent events have prevented the talking points from being downloaded.

    Factory Working Orphan (2775f0)

  281. On a different note, prayers for our fellow citizens in Louisiana and Mississippi. This is going to be an awful storm. Stay safe.

    Don’t forget to donate blood or anything else that will be needed in the aftermath if able.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  282. “Thulu is a leftist, antifa apologist. Nothing he says surprises me.”

    NJRob is a conspiracy minded wingnut.

    “The fact you can’t defend any of this is a bigger indictment of your side than your sad rejoinders.”

    Defend what? Paul’s explanation @275 is correct.

    “He’s been notably absent from the Afghanistan threads the last few days, likely because the muddled and catastrophic nature of recent events have prevented the talking points from being downloaded.”

    I don’t post in circle-jerk threads.

    Davethulhu (aa6793)

  283. Defend what? Paul’s explanation @275 is correct.

    No, it was a deflection from the last year and a half of broken promises.

    I don’t post in circle-jerk threads.

    Davethulhu (aa6793) — 8/29/2021 @ 9:07 am

    You didn’t post because the situation was so bad you couldn’t think of any way to spin it.

    Factory Working Orphan (2775f0)

  284. Noga Tarnopolsky
    @NTarnopolsky
    ·
    2h
    #Breaking: Israel no longer considers people who have received 2 Pfizer/BioNTech vaccines “vaccinated.” As of September 1, only 3x vaccinated are considered immune.

    https://twitter.com/NTarnopolsky/status/1431972367719411718

    JUST. GET. THE. DAMN. BOOSTERS. AD. INFINITUM. ALREADY.

    BuDuh (fdd65e)

  285. “No, it was a deflection from the last year and a half of broken promises.”

    You’re mischaracterizing them as promises, they were the best guesses made at the time. The fact that you think that they were promises makes my post @279 more correct.

    Davethulhu (aa6793)

  286. @272: FWO: ” Listening to the neocons may have won some battles, but ultimately, their strategy lost the war where it really matters.”

    You missed my point. Do you agree or disagree that cultural disagreements are tearing the country apart….and in the process, making our democracy dysfunctional? We can’t come together to solve anything….even something as fundamental as a public health pandemic. The side problem is that a paralyzed Congress….opens up the dual problems of Executive and Judicial over-reach. We also set up the probability of more violence as desperate rhetoric needs some sort of outlet. I’m also not sure how smart the politics is long run. Yes, Trump brought some white blue collar democrats over to the GOP….but at what cost (how many women and college-educated moderates did we lose)….and with what long-term prognosis?

    Let’s take abortion as an example. Where do you genuinely see the issue going? Even if the Court makes the historic leap to send the matter back to the states, what happens next? States like Utah, Alabama, and Mississippi will likely have complete bans….states like California, New York, and Massachusetts already have state Constitutional amendments protecting the right to an abortion…and don’t appear likely to back track. Purple states will have every state election become a mandate on the question. Current Pew polling has: legal under all/most circumstances (59%) vs illegal under all/most circumstance (41%). That general sentiment does not bode well for close states and being able to win state houses and achieve a governing majority in Congress…to do anything, let alone create legislation on culture war topics. The question is fundamentally one about persuasion…and changing attitudes…..where I question the effectiveness of in-your-face politics. With financially-secure women able to travel to pro-abortion states to get an abortion, that will leave less well off women seeking black market or home-brew abortions. How does this yield a big win? Do you think Trump persuaded more people over to pro-life? I’m skeptical of that because he does not come across as a very moral guy who is looking out for women. Abortion will remain a tough issue because the American culture has changed….people get married later, women are enmeshed in the workforce, and attitudes about sex have liberalized. It’s not so simple as to electing a President that reverses that…..[sorry Noel]

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  287. You’re mischaracterizing them as promises, they were the best guesses made at the time. The fact that you think that they were promises makes my post @279 more correct.

    Davethulhu (aa6793) — 8/29/2021 @ 9:18 am

    No, they were promises. No one at the time was saying “two weeks to flatten the curve” was a “best guess.” No one at the time was saying “take the vaccine and you don’t have to wear a mask anymore” was a “best guess.” No one was saying, “we get to this number of vaccinated people and this ends” was a “best guess.”

    Getting the jab went from “fully vaccinated” to “80 percent” to “45 percent and you need to get a booster.” That wasn’t a “best guess,” it was propaganda.

    They lied, and you continue to run cover for them.

    Factory Working Orphan (2775f0)

  288. AJ,

    so you are pro-abortion. What other conservative social issues do you disagree with and want removed from the Republican platform?

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  289. “No, they were promises. ”

    No they weren’t.

    Davethulhu (aa6793)

  290. Teaching women to value the independent life growing inside them, showing them pictures of that development will go a long way to proving the lie that the left says when it discusses “a clump of cells” being aborted.

    Most people worldwide find our abortion policies abhorrent. Even most European nations ban abortion after 3 months.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  291. You missed my point. Do you agree or disagree that cultural disagreements are tearing the country apart….and in the process, making our democracy dysfunctional?

    The point completely ignores the very thing that ties a country together. Economics is not what defines a nation, culture is. And whomever controls the institutions of culture is ultimately the

    Saying we need to unite people around economic issues is exactly what the original Marxists were arguing, as they were strict materialists. The failures of most of the 20th century communist movements is what led the Gramsci and those who read him to shift their attention to culture as a means to undermine and destroy western “capitalist” institutions. These people literally see their ideology as a virus that is meant to kill the thing they despise, so that their vision of a communist utopia comes to pass.

    The idea that a society can be united by one side completely disengaging on cultural issues is sheer fantasy. That’s not even Fabian strategy, it’s total capitulation, because the thing that Gramsci realized was that if you controlled the purveyors of culture, you could indoctrinate society into radical left-wing communism rather than liberalism.

    Your position seems to be one more dedicated to conflict-aversion rather than unification. Why should I want to find common cause with people like that school teacher who told her students to pledge allegiance to the pride flag? I don’t see them as fellow citizens with common goals, I see them as subversives who hate this country and want to see it brought down. That’s the world that the GOP making cause with the neocons created.

    Factory Working Orphan (2775f0)

  292. No they weren’t.

    Davethulhu (aa6793) — 8/29/2021 @ 9:36 am

    Yes they were.

    Factory Working Orphan (2775f0)

  293. 299–And whomever controls the institutions of culture is ultimately the one who controls the society in which those institutions reside.

    Factory Working Orphan (2775f0)

  294. A new tack, Biden is a joke but it’s Trump’s fault.

    Caitlin Flanagan NYTimes: “We told ourselves a fable that Biden was competent because we were rightly desperate to free ourselves from Trump.”

    Sam: “To be freed of what? Low gas prices? Brokered peace in the Middle East? The lowest unemployment rate in decades for minorities? A safer border? Help me understand what was worse about Trump…”

    Also Caitlin Flanagan 4 mos. ago: “Joe Biden is the first President who seems to be getting younger”

    Flinthead: “She’s right. Biden is turning into a child”

    Obudman (6228e1)

  295. To the degree that it was conscription, yes. To the degree that it was a way to organize the mobilization, no.

    Then why is a vaccination mandate so terrible? It is a similar national response to a clear & present danger. Does it matter if it was an attack or not?

    Kevin M (e4323c)

  296. @274. More Neocon Beaush!t; creamed chipped Cheney on toast:any and all things “George Will” is blessedly, wholly and totally irrelevant. Glorious.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  297. Note that I agree about Vietnam and afterwards. We got rid of the draft after Vietnam since it was clear that a draft was a bad idea without that clear & present need, since it tempted leaders into military adventures. That a large volunteer army could do that too was a lesson we learned later.

    Kevin M (e4323c)

  298. All crimes committed by the “Taliban” will be the responsibility of Pakistan.

    Pakighanistan.

    Kevin M (e4323c)

  299. RFK Jr believes in a second, or maybe a different, gunman

    RFK, Jr believes in a lot of things. He is completely whackadoodle on Covid-19.

    Kevin M (e4323c)

  300. Mary Trump? Who cares?

    She is a nobody.

    BuDuh (fdd65e)

  301. @294. cultural disagreements are tearing the country apart….blah, blah, blah…

    More Beaush!t: neocon creamed chipped Cheney on toast. Only ideological pucker-butted Righties who fear loss of control over change in all way shapes and forms evoke the strawman of ‘culture wars:’

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuIL-URhU0o

    ‘They ain’t nothin’ but hounddogs… cryin’ all the time.’

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  302. Well, Mary Trump doesn’t mince words.

    Republicans can call us Marxists, communists, socialists, Leninists, whatever, but they’re never asked to define their terms.

    Your side’s been doing that for everyone the last 50-plus years, Mary.

    You ask any of us who are calling them fascist why they are, we can explain it to you.

    Yeah, most of it boils down to, “Any time our opponents don’t let us steamroll our agenda or take our disingenuous ‘divisiveness’ complaints at face value.”

    The Democrats just need to stop pretending that we can all be polite and get along under the current circumstances.

    Your terms are acceptable.

    Factory Working Orphan (2775f0)

  303. No wonder you didn’t mention these issues.

    But must he do better, Rob?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  304. Only ideological pucker-butted Righties who fear loss of control over change in all way shapes and forms evoke the strawman of ‘culture wars:’

    “We’re going to subvert your society to bring about our communist utopia, but anytime you push back against what we’re doing, we’re going to claim that it’s not happening.”

    Factory Working Orphan (2775f0)

  305. Staff shortages riskier than unvaccinated workers, hospital CEOs say

    …The CEOs said they worried that some healthcare workers would rather quit or be fired than get inoculated. Dr. Mihaljevic said hospitals are already understaffed, and losing healthcare employees during a public health crisis would jeopardize the Clinic’s ability to provide care…

    … Ballad Health decided against implementing a vaccine mandate after a model suggested that as many as 15 percent of nurses — or 900 employees — may quit if the system did.

    “There are not enough nurses to go around. That is clear,” he said, adding that he would hire 600 nurses right now if they were available…

    https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/hospital-management-administration/staff-shortages-riskier-than-unvaccinated-workers-cleveland-clinic-university-hospitals-ceos-say.html

    Too bad the hospitals in Houston, that sacrificed the army vet with the liver disorder, didn’t utilize the same common sense.

    BuDuh (fdd65e)

  306. @305. The last draft call was on December 7, 1972, and the authority to induct expired on June 30, 1973. The date of the last drawing for the lottery was on March 12, 1975. Registration with the Selective Service System was suspended on April 1, 1975, and registrant processing was suspended on January 27, 1976.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  307. We have been told by the left that only Trumpelstiltskins are refusing to be vaccinated. Who knew that the Palestinians were all Donald Trump supporters?

    The libertarian, but not Libertarian, Dana (3867c9)

  308. And by coincidence: ‘Joe Biden, the President of the United States, served in the United States Senate from 1973 through 2009. A member of the Democratic Party from Delaware, Biden was first elected to the Senate in November 1972, and sworn into office at age 30 on January 3, 1973; he was re-elected six times. He was Delaware’s longest-serving senator.’

    Old. As. Dirt.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  309. @314. “That rock ‘n’ roll, it’s got to go!”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuIL-URhU0o

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  310. There’s nothing more disgusting that watchin’ ol’Joe glad-handing on the Dover AFB tarmac as the cold dead bodies of 13 Americans his incompetence killed are driven off to eternal rest.

    Wretched, senile, dangerous, inept and evil old man.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  311. “The Democrats just need to stop pretending that we can all be polite and get along under the current circumstances.”

    To Democrats, Reagan was Hitler. Ford was a decent man.

    To Democrats, GW Bush was Hitler, Reagan was a decent man.

    To Democrats, Trump was Hitler, GW Bush was a decent man.

    Yesterday: “I’m actually just shocked by DeSantis. I never thought I’d say this, but I think he may be more of a lunatic than Trump ever was”. – Howard Dean.

    Rinse, repeat.

    Obudman (6228e1)

  312. The Biden Presidency in a nutshell:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y189-69cQPs

    The part of the Speaker of the House will be played by Bill Fields.

    “I trust his judgement.” – Nancy Pelosi 8/25/21

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  313. “so you are pro-abortion”

    No, I think abortion is immoral. In fact years back I was stridently so…willing to debate all comers. Then one day I found out I was bloviating about it in front of an acquaintance who had recently had an abortion….someone who was not a bad person…or irresponsible…or selfish. It really challenged me to place myself in her position. It didn’t cause me to switch my position….I still believe the continuity of life argument is compelling morally…but it did make me think about the intimacy of the burden that I generally just hand-waved away….the potential impact on job, schooling, the health risks of pregnancy, the cost of delivery, and then the uncertainty of what followed, whether it was navigating adoption or pushing forward with providing all the care an infant requires….with undetermined assistance. It’s easier to insist someone live by your morality….when they’re not right in front of you.

    I think the GOP should be the party of life…..should insist on the Hyde Amendment….and should fight for post-viability regulations that make sense. I think the GOP should try to balance providing assistance to pregnant women to make it easier to make the choice to go to term without incentivizing illegitimacy. The GOP should continue to knock down obstacles to adoption, make contraception available, and make the argument for life. I do question the wisdom of an outright ban…in the current climate where 3/5 of people don’t want to make that decision. Every abortion is a tragedy of sorts but also we don’t live in a time where we need to make women give birth. Anyways, my thoughts…..

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  314. More about our freedoms and responsibilities.

    As we approach nine months of vaccine availability and nine months of flood-the-zone coverage of vaccine safety and efficacy, it is clear that much (though certainly not all) of our remaining refusal problem is not one of information but one of moral formation itself. The very moral framework of millions of our fellow citizens—the way in which they understand the balance between liberty and responsibility—is gravely skewed.

    To understand the skew, it’s first necessary to understand the proper balance, and while we have vaccine endorsements from Christian leaders from across the Catholic/Protestant spectrum, we also have guidance from church fathers—individuals who no one can claim have caved to some “establishment” or are motivated by supposed invites to mythical beltway “cocktail parties.” For example, read these famous words from Martin Luther, written during a plague in his own time:

    Therefore I shall ask God mercifully to protect us. Then I shall fumigate, help purify the air, administer medicine, and take it. I shall avoid places and persons where my presence is not needed in order not to become contaminated and thus perchance infect and pollute others, and so cause their death as a result of my negligence. If God should wish to take me, he will surely find me and I have done what he has expected of me and so I am not responsible for either my own death or the death of others. If my neighbor needs me, however, I shall not avoid place or person but will go freely, as stated above. See, this is such a God-fearing faith because it is neither brash nor foolhardy and does not tempt God.

    The balance is clear. It is incumbent on the Christian to take care of themselves, including by taking medicine “in order not to become contaminated” (a nice definition of a vaccine before vaccines were invented). To the extent that he or she takes risks, those risks should be on behalf of others. As a person created in the image of God, taking care of yourself is an independent good. Taking care of yourself so that you can care for others is an even nobler good.

    Paul Montagu (5de684)

  315. To Conservatives, Reagan was God. Ford was a Republican.

    To Conservatives, GW Bush was a Republican, Reagan was God.

    To Conservatives, Trump was Hitler, GW Bush was the son of God.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  316. Does The Dispatch have an opinion on the naturally immune, Paul?

    BuDuh (fdd65e)

  317. I think abortion is immoral

    Morality is a transient.

    Get over it.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  318. “The idea that a society can be united by one side completely disengaging on cultural issues is sheer fantasy. That’s not even Fabian strategy, it’s total capitulation”

    My point is that you can’t force people to accept your version of the culture. I’m no fan of taking down Civil War monuments…or the renaming of military bases (or ball fields for that matter) for the feels. I think all that should be opposed, with both sides making their case. In the end I’m for federalism and local people making local decisions….and in other cases, winning elections to reverse poorly-reasoned decisions. I’m against making mountains out of molehills…or about whining like a victim. If you want a conservative entertainment industry, then find deep pocket conservatives that share that goal….and create a viable business plan. Whining about Hollywood producing crap gets old quick.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  319. The ‘Dispatched’- where neocons go to die.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  320. My point is that you can’t force people to accept your version of the culture.

    Except you can.

    Rock ‘n’ roll, once derided as just noise, is now serene elevator music.

    Just as McCartney predicted.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  321. “Too bad the hospitals in Houston, that sacrificed the army vet with the liver disorder, didn’t utilize the same common sense.”

    Nah, he died because of people like this guy:

    Caleb Wallace, the co-founder of the San Angelo Freedom Defenders and West Texas Minutemen State Coordinator has died from causes related to COVID-19, according to an update on gofundme by his wife, Jessica Wallace.

    https://www.kxan.com/news/texas/caleb-wallace-anti-mask-organizer-and-co-founder-of-the-san-angelo-freedom-defenders-dies-of-covid-19/

    Davethulhu (aa6793)

  322. Unsurprisingly, Dave, you are wrong again.

    BuDuh (fdd65e)

  323. RIP Ed Asner (91).

    Rip Murdock (46eeea)

  324. If you want a conservative entertainment industry, then find deep pocket conservatives that share that goal….and create a viable business plan. Whining about Hollywood producing crap gets old quick.

    Crap? Yeah, that Clint Eastwood and John Wayne crap…

    The U.S. Media and Entertainment (M&E) industry is the largest in the world at $660 billion (of the $2 trillion global market) – enduring an estimated $53B or 7.3% decline due to the pandemic. -source, http://www.trade.gov/media-entertainment

    Hollywood ‘crap’ is: America’s Second Largest Export

    https://www1.cbn.com/thewebblog/archive/2009/01/22/americas-second-largest-export

    Hollywood ‘crap’ helped peddle bonds to win WW1 and raised millions to win WW2. I Dream of Jeannie and Gilligan’s Island beamed into the Eastern bloc helped win the Cold War by, too. The ‘business plan’ works pretty damn well, overcoming both evil extremes: communism and conservatism– simply by chasing a buck.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  325. Morality is a transient.

    This is something heathens hold sacred, lol.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  326. R.I.P. Ed Asner, 91

    Spunked.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  327. @335. This is something heathens hold sacred, lol.

    Horse thieves, female cigarette smokers and miniskirt admirers these days, too.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  328. Mary Trump? Who cares?

    She is a nobody.

    More to the point, she is a Trump. Nothing to choose between her and her uncle when it comes to credibility. Or anything else. Pedigree matters.

    nk (1d9030)

  329. Emergency Medicine Docs Will Face Consequences for Spreading COVID Lies

    Physicians who publicly spread misinformation about the COVID-19 pandemic could be sanctioned by the American Board of Emergency Medicine (ABEM), including potentially losing board certification, the organization said Thursday.

    “Making public statements that are directly contrary to prevailing medical evidence can constitute unprofessional conduct and may be subject to review by ABEM. Should ABEM determine that a physician is promulgating inaccurate information that is contrary to the interests of patients and that adversely impacts public safety, ABEM may withdraw or deny certification for that physician,” they stated.
    ……..
    “Providing misleading and inaccurate information to the public can be sufficiently egregious and inconsistent with the ethical behavior of a physician who is expected to do no harm,” ABEM said.
    ………
    Related:

    No Physicians Disciplined for COVID Falsehoods
    ……..[A] MedPage Today investigation found that not one of 20 physicians who’ve peddled such falsehoods has been disciplined by their state licensing agency for doing so.
    ………
    “Our statement is a reminder to physicians that words have consequences and during a public health emergency like COVID-19, those words can mean life or death for patients,” Joe Knickrehm, vice president of communications for the Federation of State Medical Boards (FSMB), told MedPage Today via email.

    Earlier this month, the FSMB said in a statement that physicians who intentionally spread misinformation or disinformation about COVID-19 vaccines could be disciplined by their state medical boards and may have their licenses suspended or revoked.

    While their statement mentioned vaccines specifically, Knickrehm said in his email that the policy “refers to any misinformation or disinformation that is being generated or spread by a physician whether it be in a private clinical encounter or shared publicly.” He also noted that FSMB issued a statement in October 2020 about wearing masks during patient care in response to a surge in complaints about providers who refused to wear them.
    ……..
    FSMB doesn’t have the authority to sanction physicians; that’s up to the state boards. Even then, most complaints and investigations remain confidential until a board files a formal accusation, or posts a resolution. It can take years for a disciplinary action to move through the system, and in the meantime, physicians can still practice.

    [The 20 physicians referred to above, with the states where they are licensed, are listed below.] Evidence of licensees’ COVID-19 misinformation is hyperlinked to their names below.

    California:
    Simone Gold, MD, JD; Scott Atlas, MD; Dan Erickson, DO; Artin Massihi, MD; Jeffrey Barke, MD; Jennings Ryan Staley, MD; Brian Tyson, MD

    Idaho:
    Ryan Cole, MD

    Illinois:
    Joseph Mercola, DO

    Indiana:
    Dan Stock, MD

    Kentucky:
    Rand Paul, MD

    Nebraska:
    Lee Merritt, MD

    New York:
    Lawrence Palevsky, MD

    North Carolina:
    Rashid Buttar, DO

    Ohio:
    Sherri Tenpenny, DO

    Texas:
    Peter McCullough, MD; Stella Immanuel, MD; Richard Urso, MD; Angelina Farella, MD
    ……….

    .

    Rip Murdock (46eeea)

  330. Does The Dispatch have an opinion on the naturally immune, Paul?

    I don’t know. Here’s a good place to start.

    Paul Montagu (5de684)

  331. zorba and linus
    teh beast with two hairy backs
    ancient schmancient

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  332. I don’t see anything helpful at that link, Paul. Thanks anyways.

    If I am reading French correctly, from your original link, the naturally immune are irrelevant to him. They must get vaccinated as well; at least the religious ones. I think you and I and several others here agreed earlier that this is ridiculous.

    BuDuh (fdd65e)

  333. “Unsurprisingly, Dave, you are wrong again.”

    No, you’re wrong.

    Davethulhu (aa6793)

  334. Mary Tyler Moore, Valerie Harper, Cloris Leachman, Ted Knight, Gavin MacLeod, Georgia Engel and now Ed Asner- gone. Only Betty White, Joyce Bulifant and John Amos left from that superbly written and performed television comedy.

    While you’re killing kids in their 20s, the 1970’s are dying, Joe.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  335. From Dana’s article, Dave:

    Harris County Judge Lina Hidalgo told Begnaud that she was prepared to open a field hospital, but as of Friday morning, hospitals in the Houston area were telling her they had extra beds — but not enough nurses. Seven hundred nurses arrived last week, but it’s still not enough to meet the demand.

    You don’t even try.

    BuDuh (fdd65e)

  336. Mother of dead Marine calls President Joe Biden a ‘dementia-ridden piece of crap’

    The mother of a Marine killed in the Kabul airport attack called President Joe Biden a ‘dementia-ridden piece of crap’ as the president meets with families of the 13 fallen service members on Sunday.

    ‘My son was one of the Marines that died yesterday,’ Kathy McCollum said in a radio interview on Friday of her 20-year-old late son Rylee.

    ‘[He was] getting ready to come home from freaking Jordan to be with his wife to watch the birth of his son,’ McCollum said. ‘And that sackless, dementia ridden piece of crap just sent my son to die.’

    ‘I woke up at four’o’clock this morning to Marines at my door telling me my son was dead,’ she said in the emotional account.

    JF (e1156d)

  337. “You don’t even try.”

    Why is there such a high demand for nurses?

    Davethulhu (aa6793)

  338. POTUS goes to FEMA; gives weather report.

    But avoids comments on the storm: “I’m not going to answer any questions on Afghanistan.”

    Sports report after commercial break, eh, Joe?

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  339. Sammy Finkelman (b434ee) — 8/29/2021 @ 6:13 am

    Then the number of cases would expand to infinity, and it doesn’t, so we do hit R0 less than 1

    It can go extinct. The 1918 flu did. But more usually when the number of cases goes way down, R0 increases again but can’t go up much. It is said it can infect some animals.

    This is a misunderstanding of what R0 is and how these models work. You don’t compute an R0 at the end of an outbreak to project future growth. Or if you do there’s not much point:

    A reference for the flu:

    The reproductive number, R0 (pronounced R naught), is a value that describes how contagious a disease is. For the flu, the R0 tends to be between 1 and 2, which means that for every person infected with the flu, one to two additional people become infected. For COVID-19, the R0 is higher, between 2 and 3. With COVID-19, there are also some documented examples of “superspreaders” who can infect a large number of people.

    frosty (f27e97)

  340. LOL.

    BuDuh (fdd65e)

  341. The mother of a Marine killed in the Kabul airport attack called President Joe Biden a ‘dementia-ridden piece of crap’ as the president meets with families of the 13 fallen service members on Sunday.

    Hope she said this to his face if she was a Dover today.

    If the poo fits; wear it, eh Joe!?

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  342. “LOL.”

    Come on, BuDuh. You love to nitpick articles. How many nurses were fired (Houston Methodist fired 153 “employees”, a category that covers a lot more than just nurses)? Were the hospitals with extra beds part of the Houston Methodist system?

    And, of course, this is all setting aside the fact that the reason hospitals are full and nurses are in demand is because people aren’t getting vaccinated, like the guy I linked who decided it was better to own the libs than to be a husband to his wife and a father to his children.

    Davethulhu (aa6793)

  343. Mr Duh wrote:

    From Dana’s article, Dave:

    Harris County Judge Lina Hidalgo told Begnaud that she was prepared to open a field hospital, but as of Friday morning, hospitals in the Houston area were telling her they had extra beds — but not enough nurses. Seven hundred nurses arrived last week, but it’s still not enough to meet the demand.

    You don’t even try.

    Of course, there is this:

    Houston hospital workers fired, resign over COVID-19 vaccine
    By JAMIE STENGLE | June 22, 2021

    DALLAS (AP) — More than 150 employees at a Houston hospital system who refused to get the COVID-19 vaccine have been fired or resigned after a judge dismissed an employee lawsuit over the vaccine requirement.

    A spokesperson for Houston Methodist hospital system said 153 employees either resigned in the two-week suspension period or were terminated on Tuesday.

    The case over how far health care institutions can go to protect patients and others against the coronavirus has been closely watched. It’s believed to be the first of its kind in the U.S. But it won’t be the end of the debate.

    Unintended consequences indeed!

    The libertarian, but not Libertarian, Dana (3867c9)

  344. Available beds are waiting for nurses, Dave. The hospitals are only “full” on a relative basis. Nurses are being offered a boatload to fill vacancies and they aren’t showing up. Vaccine mandates are part of the work environment that doesn’t appeal to the available workforce. Local news reports say that a great many nurses burned out after last years Covid stretch. That is probably true and a hostile work environment isn’t going to encourage them to come back.

    I posted the link above where other hospital groups see that the mandate is detrimental. You don’t agree because you need exact data from the exact hospital.

    Oh well.

    BuDuh (fdd65e)

  345. #235

    Denmark hit 71% vaccinated last week and promptly reopened everything on 9/1.
    https://thehill.com/policy/international/569788-denmark-to-lift-all-covid-restrictions-in-september

    I am still perplexed why we are talking requiring people with recovered immunity to mask and vaccinate without giving them a tested, proven, opt out. Natural immunity performs better with Delta variant than the vaccines do.
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1

    Marin County school had outbreak in students under 12 year old class.
    Students masked, door open for ventilation, desks 6 feet apart, air purifier in front of black board.
    Unvaxxed teacher (thank you teachers union) read aloud to students without a mask. That must have been some viral load because 5 of 5 kids in the front row had COVID transmitted to them.
    1/5 had no symptoms and that was kid with desk in front of teacher. I think ventilation worked against the kids in the front row in this because the open door was in the front right blowing at the kids.
    No one was hospitalized and all have recovered. Good news is that 20 some children now have recovered immunity.
    There was a second unvaxxed teacher in the mix. I’m assuming he/she is in consultation with their union rep.

    https://www.sfgate.com/coronavirus/article/CDC-teacher-Delta-COVID-outbreak-Marin-Bay-Area-16417114.php

    steveg (ebe7c1)

  346. Steve, this is from the CDC link that Dana posted:

    Among the five infected adults, one parent and the teacher were unvaccinated; the others were fully vaccinated. The vaccinated adults and one unvaccinated adult were symptomatic with fever, chills, cough, headache, and loss of smell.

    That tells me that the only infected adult that had no symptoms at all was unvaccinated.

    Science…

    BuDuh (fdd65e)

  347. If I am reading French correctly, from your original link, the naturally immune are irrelevant to him.

    That would be speculative, BuDuh. Your question was about The Dispatch, not French, and they recognized the validity of the natural immune response here.

    Paul Montagu (5de684)

  348. Not enough nurses …

    If the patients without a nurse are the willfully unvaccinated, I don’t see a problem, I see a solution.

    nk (1d9030)

  349. “Unintended consequences indeed!”

    BuDuh wasn’t interested in answering @352, maybe you’d like to give it a shot.

    Davethulhu (aa6793)

  350. “You don’t agree because you need exact data from the exact hospital.”

    Oh, the irony.

    Davethulhu (aa6793)

  351. Indeed.

    BuDuh (fdd65e)

  352. Thanks, Paul.

    BuDuh (fdd65e)

  353. Group With Ties to Racially Motivated Violent Extremists Including two Former Marines Facing Additional Charge of Targeting Energy Facilities
    …… Paul James Kryscuk, 35, Liam Collins, 21, Jordan Duncan, 26, and Joseph Maurino, 22, were charged via a third superseding indictment obtained in the Eastern District of North Carolina. Collins and Duncan are former Marines assigned previously to Camp Lejeune in Jacksonville, North Carolina. The defendants are charged with conspiracy to damage the property of an energy facility in the United States.

    According to the indictment, Collins, Kryscuk, Duncan, and Maurino researched, discussed, and reviewed at length a previous attack on the power grid by an unknown group. The group in that attack used assault-style rifles in an attempt to explode a power substation. Between 2017 and 2020, Kryscuk manufactured firearms while Collins stole military gear, including magazines for assault-style rifles and had them delivered to the other defendants. During that time, Duncan gathered a library of information, some military-owned, regarding firearms, explosives, and nerve toxins and shared that information with Kryscuk and Collins.

    The indictment also alleges that the defendants discussed using homemade Thermite, a combination of metal powder and metal oxide which burns at over 4000°F to burn through and destroy power transformers………
    …….
    The defendants have also been charged, in previous indictments, with conspiring to manufacture, transport, and sell hard to obtain firearms and firearm parts in a manner that would hide these purchases from the federal government.
    ……..
    No doubt there were numerous informants involved. One way to avoid accusations of entrapment (as in the Whitmer kidnapping plot) is for the government to not interfere in the conspiracy, let it go forward. and arrest the individuals after the crime has been committed.

    Related:

    Why Are So Many Marines Neo-Nazis?

    Rip Murdock (46eeea)

  354. Also wonder where this percentage stands now::
    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/cdc-data-shows-millions-americans-skip-their-second-covid-19-vaccine-dose-180977603/

    In April 2021 Americans were showing up for their second dose at a 92% rate.
    The headlines on Google are fun with some saying “Millions of Americans skipping second dose” and others saying “92% of Americans are returning for their second dose”
    Dueling alternative facts.

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html

    In the above link, 51.9% of Americans have gotten their second dose and that number was rising at 0.8% a day. That can’t be right or the headlines would be saying US on target to achieve herd immunity threshold in 24 days. I think my mistake is in thinking that 0.8% will stay constant.

    Here is what I’m not understanding (math is hard when you never go to to class, harder still when you have no aptitude and cut the class)
    There are 30.5M American who have had their first of two doses, so within six weeks or less we should have fully vaccinated about another 28.5M of the people who are over twelve years old eligible and did not drop out.
    That seems to add only a 10% increase.

    At this pace are we achieving herd immunity (70%) in 24 days? or 3 months (2) 6 week periods)?

    (you all can probably tell I pay people to do math for me)

    steveg (ebe7c1)

  355. three comments in moderation

    please choose one, but i’m guessing the powers that be want none posted

    JF (e1156d)

  356. Why Are So Many Marines Neo-Nazis?

    Ask Nicolle Gee.

    https://www.startribune.com/slain-marine-who-cradled-baby-at-kabul-airport-loved-her-job/600091845/

    Oh. Wait. You can’t.

    Joe killed her.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  357. @363 keep it classy, Rip

    JF (e1156d)

  358. Contact: Speaker Nancy Pelosi

    http://www.speaker.gov/contact

    “I trust [Biden] his judgement.” She’s 81 years old.

    It’s 25th Amendment time.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  359. Germany just halted all covid 19 vaccines. Says they are unsafe and no longer recommended,
    Glad we have the antibodies.

    mg (8cbc69)

  360. Ha. Just kidding.

    mg (8cbc69)

  361. @363 keep it classy, Rip

    JF (e1156d) — 8/29/2021 @ 2:10 pm

    Not my opinion-just quoting the Vox headline.

    Rip Murdock (46eeea)

  362. My point is that you can’t force people to accept your version of the culture.

    This is an absurd take. The history of human civilization is full of examples of people forcing their version of culture on others. The very nation you are living in would not exist in its present form without it the application of force. That’s why the cultural Marxists deliberately targeted it by pejoratively labeling it as a “hegemony.”

    But questions of force aside, the one thing that neocons have overlooked, time and time and time again, in its debates against the left is the latter’s will to power. That’s why their acolytes and priests currently set the agenda within the schools, the government administrative complex, the mass media, the churches, and now the corporations and military that were the neocons primary base.

    I’m no fan of taking down Civil War monuments…or the renaming of military bases (or ball fields for that matter) for the feels. I think all that should be opposed, with both sides making their case. In the end I’m for federalism and local people making local decisions….and in other cases, winning elections to reverse poorly-reasoned decisions. I’m against making mountains out of molehills…or about whining like a victim. If you want a conservative entertainment industry, then find deep pocket conservatives that share that goal….and create a viable business plan. Whining about Hollywood producing crap gets old quick.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 8/29/2021 @ 11:07 am

    Here is the where the neocons continually miss the forest for the trees. The left does not care about “the marketplace of ideas.” They care about imposing their vision of a communist utopia on society. They take your aversion to conflict and use it against you in order to advance their agenda. Why do you think they’re so bent out of shape about people standing up to their local school boards and academia in general on pushing the narratives of cultural Marxism? Any time the right begins to energetically push back against the left, it’s ALWAYS labeled “extremism,” “the forces of reaction,” or “counter-revolution.” The last thing they want you doing is resisting their agenda with any kind of real energy.

    This is a self-styled “viral” ideology whose open, stated purpose for over 50 years now is to subvert and take down America as it exists, and replace its traditional narratives of civic nationalism with communist utopianism. What does a body do when it’s infected with a virus?

    This shrinking in the face of the left’s aggression is ultimately why Trump snatched the GOP out of your hands. The base wanted someone who would actually engage with the left on the cultural as well as the economic front, and do so with vigor. You really think a self-described “cabal” of corporate, media, and political interests had a four-year-long temper tantrum and conspired behind the scenes (as Time Magazine openly bragged about earlier this year) to ensure he didn’t win re-election just because they didn’t like his tweets?

    He reduced refugee intake down to a trickle, signed off on a tax cut, nerfed the ability of colleges to conduct star courts on sexual assault claims, ended transgender accommodation in the military, tried to get us out of our suicidal relationship with China, and was working to get us out of the Middle East as well. He took a stand against just about everything that was considered conventional wisdom in politics over the last 30 years after the Boomer neocons and neoliberals fully took control of the nation’s political machinery.

    If you’re not willing to stand and fight for your own political principles, especially when they’re wrapped in a cloak of morality, why should anyone try to find “compromise” with their opponents alongside you, when it’s clear that you’re willing to knuckle under to whatever is demanded of you just to avoid being yelled at? They’re going to make common cause with a crass, ostentatious real estate huckster who sleeps with porn stars. And the reason they do this is because he throws his brand down the toilet in the service of calling your opponents bad-faith, subversive dirtbags, and promotes the view of American patriotism and Manifest Destiny that was considered a given in the national consensus going back to the post-Civil War era.

    Factory Working Orphan (2775f0)

  363. What Went Wrong With the Pandemic in Florida
    ……..
    While leaders in that state also refused lockdowns and mask orders, they made it a priority to vaccinate vulnerable older people. Gov. Ron DeSantis, a Republican, opened mass vaccination sites and sent teams to retirement communities and nursing homes. Younger people also lined up for shots.

    Mr. DeSantis and public health experts expected a rise in cases this summer as people gathered indoors in the air-conditioning. But what happened was much worse: Cases spiraled out of control, reaching peaks higher than Florida had seen before. Hospitalizations followed. So did deaths, which are considerably higher than the numbers currently reached anywhere else in the country.
    ………
    Morgues and crematories are full or getting there. Public utilities in Orlando and Tampa have asked residents to cut back on water usage so liquid oxygen, which is used in water treatment, can be conserved for hospitals. As of Friday, Florida was recording an average of 242 virus deaths a day, nearly as many as California and Texas combined, though a few states still had a higher per capita rate, according to public health data tracked by The New York Times.
    ……..
    The best explanation of what has happened is that Florida’s vaccination rates were good, but not good enough for its demographics. It has so many older people that even vaccinating a vast majority of them left more than 800,000 unprotected. Vaccination rates among younger people were uneven, so clusters of people remained at risk. Previous virus waves, which were milder than in some other states, conferred only some natural immunity.

    And Florida is Florida: People have enjoyed many months of barhopping, party-going and traveling, all activities conducive to swift virus spread.
    ………
    (DeSantis) and other state officials have sought to steer away from measures that could curtail infections, banning strict mask mandates in public schools. The biggest school districts imposed them anyway, and on Friday, a state judge ruled that Florida could not prevent those mandates, a decision the Department of Education plans to appeal.
    ………
    The situation in nursing homes, where infections can spread swiftly, has also been problematic. While vaccination rates among older Floridians as a whole have been good, the rate of nursing home residents who are fully vaccinated — an average of 73.1 percent in each home — is lower than every state but Nevada, according to the C.D.C. About 47.5 percent of nursing home staff members were fully vaccinated as of Aug. 15, the lowest of any state but Louisiana.
    ………

    Rip Murdock (46eeea)

  364. I’d say force cannot overcome people of strong will culturally, it just forces them to take it indoors or into the woods.
    Likewise force exerted against capitalism simply drives it underground to the black market, ditto for drugs and alcohol.

    steveg (ebe7c1)

  365. This is an absurd take. The history of human civilization is full of examples of people forcing their version of culture on others.

    Start w/Afghanistan.

    But OTOH, Japan did take to baseball.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  366. Here is the where the neocons continually miss the forest for the trees. The left does not care about “the marketplace of ideas.” They care about imposing their vision of a communist utopia on society.

    You’ve never seen the film, ‘Tender Comrade’, have you.

    Tender Comrade is a 1943 black-and-white film released by RKO Radio Pictures, showing women on the home front living communally while their husbands are away at war.

    The film stars Ginger Rogers, Robert Ryan, Ruth Hussey, and Kim Hunter and was directed by Edward Dmytryk. The film was later used by the HUAC as evidence of Dalton Trumbo spreading communist propaganda. Trumbo was subsequently blacklisted.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  367. Arne Duncan: “Have you noticed how strikingly similar both the mindsets and actions are between the suicide bombers at Kabul’s airport, and the anti-mask and anti-vax people here?

    Larry O’Connor: “Knowing this guy ran Dept of Ed for eight years under Obama explains all the insanity in our public schools happening right now, doesn’t it?”

    Obudman (6228e1)

  368. DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 8/29/2021 @ 3:01 pm

    Trumbo was a card-carrying commie, so it’s not like it refutes the assertion.

    Factory Working Orphan (2775f0)

  369. @378. So? Maybe he was left-handed, too.

    That ‘Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo’ was sooooooooooooooooo subversive.

    Wasn’t it. Sheeesh…

    Road Gang, 1936
    Love Begins at 20, 1936
    Devil’s Playground, 1937
    Fugitives for a Night, 1938
    A Man to Remember, 1938
    Five Came Back, 1939 (with Nathanael West and J. Cody)
    Curtain Call, 1940
    A Bill of Divorcement, 1940
    Kitty Foyle, 1940
    The Lone Wolf Strikes, 1940
    You Belong to Me, 1941 (story by)
    The Remarkable Andrew, 1942
    Tender Comrade, 1944
    A Guy Named Joe, 1944
    Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo, 1944
    Our Vines Have Tender Grapes, 1945
    Gun Crazy, 1950 (co-writer, front: Millard Kaufman)
    He Ran All the Way, 1951 (co-writer, front: Guy Endore)
    The Prowler, 1951 (uncredited with Hugo Butler)
    Roman Holiday, 1953 (front: Ian McLellan Hunter)
    They Were So Young 1954, (under pseudonym Felix Lutzkendorf)
    The Boss, 1956 (front: Ben L. Perry)
    The Brave One, 1956 (under pseudonym Robert Rich)
    The Green-Eyed Blonde, 1957 (front: Sally Stubblefield)
    From the Earth to the Moon, 1958 (co-writer, front: James Leicester)
    Cowboy, 1958 (front: Edmund H. North)
    Spartacus, 1960, dir. by Stanley Kubrick (based on Howard Fast’s 1951 novel of the same name)
    Exodus, 1960, dir. by Otto Preminger (based on Leon Uris’ 1958 novel of the same name)
    The Last Sunset, 1961
    Town Without Pity, 1961
    Lonely are the Brave, 1962
    The Sandpiper, 1965
    Hawaii, 1966 (based on the novel by James Michener, 1959)
    The Fixer, 1968
    Johnny Got His Gun, 1971 (also directed)
    The Horsemen, 1971
    F.T.A., 1972
    Executive Action, 1973
    Papillon, 1973 (based on the novel by Henri Charrière, 1969)

    “Don’t you tell me my business again…” – Quint [Robert Shaw] ‘Jaws’ 1975

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  370. 373. Nite that article says Florida vaccination rates might have been overestimated because of tourists and part time resideents and old age homes had lower rates than other states.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  371. DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 8/29/2021 @ 3:42 pm

    Your deflection doesn’t refute the assertion, either.

    “Women’s Studies as Virus: Institutional Feminism, Affect, and the Projection of Danger.”

    This paper theorizes that one future pedagogical priority of women’s studies is to train students not only to master a body of knowledge but also to serve as symbolic “viruses” that infect, unsettle, and disrupt traditional and entrenched fields. In this essay, we first posit how the metaphor of the virus in part exemplifies an ideal feminist pedagogy, and we then investigate how both women’s studies and the spread of actual viruses (e.g., Ebola, HIV) produce similar kinds of emotional responses in others.

    Factory Working Orphan (2775f0)

  372. 373 Rip

    Florida reports 99.9% of population over 65 have received at least one dose, 87.7% of that group over 65 one dose.
    Florida has 4,465,000 people over 65 @ 87.7 vax rate. Isn’t that more like 510,000 rather than 800,000? I have not seen anyone attacking FL numbers of 99.9% one dose over 65.

    https://www.jacksonville.com/news/20180318/hospice-patients-increase-as-population-ages
    Florida has the second most hospice patients in the nation. Only California has more, while Texas ranks third, national health care data show.

    Florida’s vaccination rates are good, great over 65. The problem is the large population.
    You can fully vaccinate seniors at 87.7% rate, vaccinate them at 99.9% one dose and still have 510,000 who need to get that second dose. there will always be a group of holdouts, 50,000? Plus 130,000 who go into hospice care who are not going to get a second dose of anything

    steveg (ebe7c1)

  373. @381. Except it does.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  374. @371 hahaha, of course

    meghan mccain had some personal advice for you, Rip

    give it some thought

    JF (e1156d)

  375. NSFW

    Canadian gets selfie with Trudeau calls him Communist F
    https://twitter.com/i/status/1431779968460095493

    steveg (ebe7c1)

  376. @378/381 The left does not care about “the marketplace of ideas.” They care about imposing their vision of a communist utopia on society.

    So you believe:

    Five Came Back, Kitty Foyle, The Remarkable Andrew [about Andrew Jackson] Tender Comrade, A Guy Named Joe, Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo, Gun Crazy, [an anti-crime film noir classic], Roman Holiday, From the Earth to the Moon, Spartacus, Exodus, Lonely are the Brave, The Sandpiper [Liz and Dick at their best], Hawaii, The Fixer, etc.,etc., McQueen in Papillon were quilled uncaringly about the ‘marketplace of ideas’- just vehicles to impose ‘communist utopia on society’ eh.

    Pffft.

    “Don’t you tell me my business again…” – Quint [Robert Shaw] ‘Jaws’ 1975

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  377. Does FWO know that every time Sandy Koufax threw a curve ball he was trying to convert the batter to Judaism?!! 😉

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  378. Man FWO, youre really bent out of shape by that paper. You know the fact that some kook with tenure wrote a silly paper isn’t very strong evidence or cultural collapse. Was the author a famous or acclaimed scholar?

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  379. “A liquor store security guard acted in self defense when he shot a customer 3 times because the customer was “putting other’s lives at risk by not wearing a [COVID] mask,” the guard’s private defense attorney said.”

    https://cwbchicago.com/2021/08/security-guard-who-shot-man-3-times-acted-in-self-defense-because-the-victim-wasnt-wearing-a-covid-mask-lawyer-says.html

    I certainly hope when he got to the Emergency Room he had to wait till they took care of any COVID patients.

    Obudman (6228e1)

  380. AJ, you’re right. The declining cultural influence of the right has preceded their loss of political power. Large companies were offering partner benefits for same sex couples before it was legal. They also moved from Merry Christmas to happy holidays without government pushing it. Also, if you look at actual metrics the US has been getting better. Crime, teen pregnancy, educational outcomes have all been improving over the time that culture worries claim things are going to hell. I’ll pull the stats when I have the chance. But I’m on a phone right now.

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  381. @390. The declining cultural influence of the right…

    It never existed; you can’t peddle and pitch ‘family values’ BS out of one side of your mouth while cheating on your wife, juggling a few mistresses and porking your secretary at lunch. CNN’s John King effectively bayoneted rabid rightie Newt Gingrich in 2012 w/a debate question on same at the start of a national television. King asked Newtie to respond to allegations by his ex-wife that in 1999, Gingrich asked her to have an open marriage with him. “Would you like to take some time to respond to that?” asked King.

    Hilarious.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  382. Sweet Baby Jesus… the guy is everywhere!

    https://twitter.com/drefanzor/status/1431758559029575682?s=20

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  383. If hooking up one Taliban terrorist’s testicles to a car battery to get the truth out of the lying, little goat shagger will save just one American life, then I have only three things to say:

    Red is positive, black is negative, and make sure his nuts are wet.

    h/t Don Cherry

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  384. Even with the Tories in charge it has gone to the dogs:

    https://news.yahoo.com/uk-government-worked-hard-200-164850272.html

    urbanleftbehind (d53b09)

  385. Earlier, Factory Working Orphan said he had been lied to, over and over, about COVID. He didn’t link to any of the lies, so I didn’t try to follow them up.

    But he raised an interesting, and perennial, question. In a comment over at Political Betting I found this list of statements about COVID:

    Jan. 22, 2020 “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.”

    Feb. 2, 2020 “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”

    Feb. 10, 2020 “Looks like by April, you know in theory when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away.”

    Feb. 24, 2020 “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… the Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”

    May 8, 2020 “This is going to go away without a vaccine. It is going to go away. We are not going to see it again.”

    May 9, 2020 “This is going to go away without a vaccine.”

    June 15, 2020 “At some point this stuff goes away and it’s going away.”

    June 17, 2020 “It’s fading away. It’s going to fade away.”

    (I think almost everyone will remember who said those things.)

    Now, which of these statements can we accurately call “lies”?

    It may surprise some, but without checking I would say possibly the first, second, fourth and eighth. Possibly. Although he was wrong, he may well have believed what he said in them, in which case they would be falsehoods, not lies. (Journalists may have found evidence since that he knew better on any of those, in which case we can conclude they are lies. I haven’t read any of the Trump books, so I don’t know.)

    The third is a prediction, and so could not have been falsified at the time, as are the fifth, the sixth and the seventh. Silly predictions, but predictions nonetheless.

    FWO can decide for himself whether there is any similarity between those hyper-optimistic statements, and the statements he called lies. (If he does respond, I hope he will provide names, and a link or two, for context.)

    (Warning: If you are prone to conspiracy theories, or a sensitive person, you should not read the original post.)

    Jim Miller (edcec1)

  386. @395 whatabout trump’s lies

    JF (e1156d)

  387. whataboutism
    let me say this about that
    refuge of scoundrels

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  388. Wishful thinking maybe.
    In context, it the time it was spoken?

    Jan 22. over-optimistic in retrospect. At the time no one knew much of anything.
    Feb 2 . He shut the down travel from China after letting dual citizens, green card holders back in
    Feb 10. Over-optimistic. That was floated “in theory” at the time by others.
    Feb 24 a total of 2600 had died worldwide and stock prices were down so far some companies were looking like screaming buys based on fundamentals.
    CNN: on the 24th 2020
    “The quarantine has been managed with great care by experts of highly trained professionals,” said San Antonio Mayor Ron Nirenberg at a news conference Monday. “We have had a total of six positive cases to date and every precaution has been taken to keep them properly isolated, ensuring that the chances of exposure for others is extremely low.”
    Nirenberg said he was proud that San Antonio stepped up to help the nation during this challenge.
    Let’s be clear, the most dangerous, damaging infectious disease is hysteria and so what we’re trying to do is make sure we have a compassionate human response to a crisis that’s happening,” the mayor said.”

    May 8,9 Over optimistic but Trump did do a great job on pivoting to vaccines having them ready a mere 7 month after these two statements

    June 15,17 Everything except idiots and hysteria go away, and thankfully even those ebb and flow

    steveg (ebe7c1)

  389. Breaking: Israeli Ministry of Heath has just announced that anyone who waits more than SIX months after their 2nd jab without having a 3rd one, is officially #UNVACCINATED and will be denied vaccine passport.

    “Israel no longer considers people who have received 2 Pfizer/BioNTech vaccines “vaccinated.” As of September 1, only 3x vaccinated are considered immune.”

    Immune

    Obudman (6228e1)

  390. Will Ida be Biden’s Katrina? Will the media allow it to happen?

    Hoi Polloi (998b37)

  391. ‘Biden Vows, “We’re gonna find Ida and bring her to justice.” ‘

    —- Inapyg Zye, Vox News

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  392. Trump admitted he was lying:

    ………
    ……. Trump called Woodward and revealed that he thought the situation was far more dire than what he had been saying publicly.

    “You just breathe the air and that’s how it’s passed,” Trump said in a Feb. 7 call. “And so that’s a very tricky one. That’s a very delicate one. It’s also more deadly than even your strenuous flus.”

    “This is deadly stuff,” the president repeated for emphasis.

    At that time, Trump was telling the nation that the virus was no worse than a seasonal flu, predicting it would soon disappear and insisting that the U.S. government had it totally under control. It would be several weeks before he would publicly acknowledge that the virus was no ordinary flu and that it could be transmitted through the air.

    Trump admitted to Woodward on March 19 that he deliberately minimized the danger. “I wanted to always play it down,” the president said. “I still like playing it down, because I don’t want to create a panic.”

    ……..

    Rip Murdock (46eeea)

  393. Israel cannot afford to lose a single IDF recruit.

    And the Mossad’s sub rosa campaign to make the Palestinians distrust the vaccine is a masterpiece of manipulation. I would have thought providing the Gaza Palestinians with expired vaccines would be over-playing the hand, letting the cat out of the bag, giving the game away, but they’re the experts, not me.

    nk (1d9030)

  394. It’s only a Katrina if you say something is going to happen, and it does;t. he Afghanistan evacuation is Joe Biden’s Katrina.

    he difference betweenn Katrina and Ida:

    Katrina has less strong winds, and was weakening when it made landfall. The real damage was from the rain. Hurricane Ida has stronger winds, and an eyewall 10 to 15 miles in diameter, but its storm surge is less than half of that of Katrina.

    It built up very quickly. Water temperature at sea was 90 degrees Fahrenheit. 78 is considered to be the point at which you can get a hurricane and the hot water went deep.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  395. 302. Two different things. One was a claim that there would be few infections in the United States (which he wanted to believe and was told.

    The other thing, which he told Woodward, was how bad the disease could be.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  396. Long live Betty White!

    Icy (6abb50)

  397. #402 Rip – Thanks. (One of the odder things about Trump was that he spoke so frankly to Bob Woodward. I’ve heard the claim that Trump was flattered to be interviewed by Woodward, that the Woodward interviews were proof for Trump that he was finally big time. Weird. Especially after Woodward’s first Trump book in 2018, Fear, which was not exactly flattering.)

    Jim Miller (edcec1)

  398. 393. nk (1d9030) — 8/29/2021 @ 7:40 pm

    . I would have thought providing the Gaza Palestinians with expired vaccines would be over-playing the hand, letting the cat out of the bag, giving the game away, but they’re the experts, not me.

    It was soon-to-expire vaccines not expired ones, (and, as an aside the expiration isn’t anything real anyway, but they are foolishly being treated that way by every government); it was the West Bank (Ramallah government) not Gaza; the PA at first accepted it; the Mossad didn’t run the campaign but people who wanted Israel and the Palestinians at odds did; and Israel instead gave the vaccines to South Korea, which had been unable to get quick delivery because they ordered later.

    In both cases, the PA and South Korea, the terms were that the Pfizer doses about to expire would be replaced with later expiration doses when they got them.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  399. In Los Angeles, price for admission at nation’s second-largest school district is a negative covid test — every single week
    …….
    …….[T]he fully vaccinated are required to get tested. Those who test positive stay home for at least 10 days. And those who decline to get tested can’t come at all.
    …….
    …….[T]he vast majority of parents, teachers and students are embracing or at least tolerating the stringent measures the district has adopted, with fewer than 3 percent of the district’s 450,000 K-12 students opting for remote learning instead. …..
    ……..
    To pull off the daunting task of administering some 500,000 coronavirus tests weekly across the sprawling district, L.A. Unified has contracted with two medical companies that provide around 1,000 licensed health-care practitioners. These health workers travel from school to school with mobile units conducting and overseeing nasal-swab tests — the PCR tests that produce the most accurate results. The tests are flown twice-daily to a lab in Northern California that aims to turn around the results in 24 to 36 hours. The price tag is hefty for the chronically underfunded district: around $350 million. L.A. County is paying for about $80 million of that sum, and the district is trying to get the federal government to cover the rest.

    School started Aug. 16 for students in L.A. Unified, and by the end of the second week the district was reporting nearly 3,000 active positive cases among students and others. The number was rising by the day, but only seven cases had been linked within a school setting, all at an elementary school in Hollywood that — like the rest of the district’s schools — remained open. Anyone testing positive was sent home to quarantine, and close contacts were identified and also required to quarantine unless they’re vaccinated and asymptomatic. Some students and parents reported long lines or other logistical problems that were preventing everyone from getting tested weekly as intended, which the district said individual schools should address. Experts say it will become clear within a few months whether the program is working as intended — and if it does, other districts should take note.
    ……
    One much smaller district in Southern California — Culver City — has gone further than L.A. Unified, announcing a vaccine mandate for all eligible students.
    …….
    …….[N]o matter what there are almost certain to be multiple outbreaks in L.A. Unified, given the size of the district and the spread of the highly contagious delta variant. The hope is that the measures the district is taking will contain any outbreak and limit the number of kids forced into quarantine.

    For some students and parents in Los Angeles, the weekly testing mandate is a welcome relief, providing a comfort level and confidence that schools will stay open after a year-and-a-half when kids were mostly stuck at home navigating remote learning. L.A. Unified’s school body is majority Latino, with many students from lower-income families. Parents need their kids in school so they can go to work. The kids themselves are happy to be back at school with their friends, and some say it’s no more than a minor inconvenience to get pulled out of class to take a quick coronavirus test.
    ………

    Rip Murdock (46eeea)

  400. Breaking news- Five rockets fired at Kabul aerodrome.

    OTOH, no generals fired at the Pentagon.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  401. Kevin M (e4323c) — 8/29/2021 @ 9:58 am

    Then why is a vaccination mandate so terrible? It is a similar national response to a clear & present danger. Does it matter if it was an attack or not?

    I don’t think you understood my response. The vaccine mandate isn’t a method of mobilization.

    Within the full context of my comment I thought

    To the degree that it was a way to organize the mobilization of volunteers, no.

    was clear.

    frosty (f27e97)

  402. @395 whatabout trump’s lies

    What whatabout? Trump was the most influential person in the US, and he made lots of promises and declarative statements. Why would he be excluded from FWO’s assertions?

    Paul Montagu (5de684)

  403. https://townhall.com/columnists/kevinroberts/2021/08/28/afghanistan-southern-us-border-shows-biden-uninterested-in-defending-america-n2594788

    The debacle in Afghanistan is still unfolding, but it is already one of the signal disasters of American history. It’s usually premature to assess contemporary events in history’s light, so it’s a sign of just how bad things are in Kabul that I — a historian — am ready to put it alongside the Bay of Pigs, the Fall of Saigon, the Black Hawk Down incident, and 9/11 itself in the list of era-defining American humiliations. It’s bad enough that it’s happening – what’s worse is that we chose it.

    And it’s not an aberration for our unmoored American federal government regardless of who occupies the White House or controls Congress. Confronted with a whole summer of insurrectionary violence in American cities, it can’t seem to bring itself to guarantee public order. Confronted with angry citizens overrunning the very seat of its rule on Capitol Hill, it can’t seem to defend itself. Confronted with a metastasizing narco-state threat in Mexico, and a historic crisis of human trafficking overwhelming national borders, it can’t seem to do much but watch.

    Yet when confronted with states organizing in blocs to execute tasks reserved to itself — the so-called “Western States Pact” comes to mind, as do the various states sending forces to the U.S.-Mexico border — the federal government seems strangely passive and inert. Perhaps that’s to the good.

    It’s tempting to look at unforced errors like this in isolation, just one episode among many. We shouldn’t. The truth is that Afghanistan is part of a larger pattern. Pull the camera back a bit, and the picture becomes more disturbing than even the grim images from Kabul’s beleaguered airport. The incompetence on display in that country is just the latest episode of blundering from a federal government that increasingly cannot do anything it should.

    Malice or incompetence?

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  404. …”This is the first case in New Zealand where a death in the days following vaccination has been linked to the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine. While the Centre for Adverse Reactions Monitoring has received other reports of deaths in someone recently vaccinated, none are considered related to vaccination,” it said in a statement.
    The woman’s death is being investigated further and a coroner is due to rule on the case. Officials have not released any further details, including the woman’s age….

    …According to Johns Hopkins University, the country has seen 3,465 Covid cases and 26 deaths so far….

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58380867

    BuDuh (fdd65e)

  405. The debacle in Afghanistan is still unfolding, but it is already one of the signal disasters of American history. It’s usually premature to assess contemporary events in history’s light, so it’s a sign of just how bad things are in Kabul that I — a historian — am ready to put it alongside the Bay of Pigs, the Fall of Saigon, the Black Hawk Down incident, and 9/11 itself in the list of era-defining American humiliations. It’s bad enough that it’s happening – what’s worse is that we chose it.

    Blackhawk Down?? The Marine Beirut barracks disaster is much more significant.

    This twit isn’t much of a historian to omit Pearl Harbor, the Iranian hostage crisis and subsequent Desert One debacle either. And, of course, the 1975 ‘fall of Saigon’ is on the South Vietnamese as the U.S. negotiated a peace and left the war to their own doing in ’73.

    By ’75, “surprised by the ease of their advance, against largely incompetent ARVN forces, the North Vietnamese stormed through the south. President Gerald Ford ordered the evacuation of American personnel and embassy staff. In addition, efforts were made to remove as many friendly South Vietnamese refugees as possible. [Sound familiar?] Advancing quickly, North Vietnamese troops finally captured Saigon on April 30, 1975. South Vietnam surrendered the same day. After thirty years of conflict, Ho Chi Minh’s vision of a united, communist Vietnam had been realized.” – thought.com

    Tally-Ho, Taliban!

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  406. Man FWO, youre really bent out of shape by that paper. You know the fact that some kook with tenure wrote a silly paper isn’t very strong evidence or cultural collapse. Was the author a famous or acclaimed scholar?

    Time123 (9f42ee) — 8/29/2021 @ 4:43 pm

    It’s no different in content than any other cultural Marxist drek written in the last 50 years. The only difference is that this ideology is now mainstreamed.

    FWO can decide for himself whether there is any similarity between those hyper-optimistic statements, and the statements he called lies. (If he does respond, I hope he will provide names, and a link or two, for context.)

    In here, Jim pretends that “two weeks to flatten the curve” and Wolensky and Biden saying back in May that if you were “fully vaccinated,” you didn’t have to wear a mask didn’t actually happen.

    Factory Working Orphan (2775f0)

  407. Crime, teen pregnancy, educational outcomes have all been improving over the time that culture worries claim things are going to hell. I’ll pull the stats when I have the chance. But I’m on a phone right now.

    Time123 (9f42ee) — 8/29/2021 @ 4:56 pm

    The educational outcomes claim is rather interesting, considering 40% of students who enter college need remedial classes.

    What whatabout? Trump was the most influential person in the US, and he made lots of promises and declarative statements. Why would he be excluded from FWO’s assertions?

    Paul Montagu (5de684) — 8/29/2021 @ 9:24 pm

    “This guy’s lies cancel out my side’s lies.”

    Factory Working Orphan (2775f0)

  408. It’s no different in content than any other cultural Marxist drek written in the last 50 years. The only difference is that this ideology is now mainstreamed.

    But what is that paper actually saying? When I read the blurb you post it looks like the point is; “women studies drive cultural change, the presence of disease in the community drives change, and we see similarities between how people react to both of them.”

    Maybe that’s incorrect but from what you’ve posted I don’t see why it bugs you.

    I do think it sounds very silly.

    Regarding education

    http://www.highereducation.org/reports/pa_decline/decline-f2.shtml

    % of working age adults with a college degree has increased for all ethnic groups since 1980

    NEAP scores have been going up since the early 1990’s

    https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d19/tables/dt19_221.10.asp

    So it looks like my claim that educational achievement has gone up is pretty solid.

    Do you have some data that refutes this?

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  409. Feckless, Dementia-ridden hair sniffer

    Thanks a bunch, Biden voters, flying monkey media and NeverTrump!!!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  410. Mg —-

    I own Eric Clapton’s bad reaction to AstraZenica. Little did I know that a vote for Biden was really a vote for Boris Johnson. I mean, it’s terrible that my vote forced a gazillionaire rock star to take a VAX not even approved here in the states.

    I can’t get no satisfaction.

    Appalled (da0029)

  411. Marc Thiessen
    @marcthiessen

    @washingtonpost reports that Taliban offered to stay out of Kabul and let US forces secure the city. We told them we only needed the airport. We could have controlled the airport and Kabul and evacuated everyone but chose not to. The incompetence is stunning.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  412. Emily Miller
    @emilymiller

    “We’re dealing with Kabul. There’s 7 buses of female American citizens. The CG [Commanding General] refused to open the gate. We have a congressman with us and he had the state department reach out. MG Donahue refused. 10 minutes ago the females were taken by the Taliban. They are likely dead now.”

    ——————————————————-

    Michael Yon
    @Michael_Yon

    JBS XO “Col Morgan eating cake while his Commander is refusing to let American women and children inside the airport to safety. Over 40 are outside right now and MG Donohue can’t be bothered with a simple task because he wants to retire to a six-figure job. “Let them eat cake.”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  413. @426, So the Taliban offered to let the US fight with ISIS in Kabul instead of them? Might have worked if we had more troops in the region. Probably needed more troops anyway.

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  414. Look away, Biden voters. Forget the cleaning supplies, this stink won’t wash off.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  415. News of murders in Afghanistan has reached the New York Times, This is probably on a very low scale, or in other provinces, but people are probably not ready to imagine the scale of what could happen.

    Claims by the Taliban of granting amnesty could be be done for three reasons:

    1) To discourage escapes, because some of the people who escape could be the nucleus of a future replacement government – for all their victory, they are not ruling out an American comeback.

    2) To place people off their guard

    3) So that nobody they don’t want to execute gets executed. So the ordinary Taliban need to be told it is not happening.

    (In fact, the Taliban per se are probably not involved at all. It’s a special group. The people in charge are probably Pakistanis)

    Whether they want to kill many, or they want to kill few, you can’t tell from what they do say. But they don;t want to kill many first thing. But maybe it could start not too long from now.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/29/world/some-afghans-say-that-enemies-of-the-taliban-have-begun-to-disappear.html

    When Taliban fighters seized control of Kabul two weeks ago, the invading units made a beeline for two critical targets: the headquarters of the National Security Directorate and the Ministry of Communications.

    Their aim — recounted by two Afghan officials who had been briefed separately on the raid — was to secure the files of intelligence officers and their informers, and to obtain the means of tracking the telephone numbers of Afghan citizens. That could be disastrous for hundreds of thousands of people who had been working to counter the Taliban threat….

    ….The scale of the campaign is uncertain because it is being conducted covertly. And it is unclear what level of the Taliban leadership authorized detentions or executions.

    “It’s very much underground,” said one former legislator, who was in hiding elsewhere when the Taliban visited his home in the middle of the night.

    Do they need to be stupid? This is clearly being done at the highest level, and only at the highest level.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/29/world/asia/afghanistan-taliban-revenge.html

    The people who seized the files at the National Security Directorate and the Ministry of Communications may not have even been Taliban: The men did not speak Afghan languages, the officials said, and may have been agents of Pakistan’s military intelligence agency working in tandem with Taliban forces. Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence agency has long supported the Taliban in their violent opposition to the Kabul government.

    The New York Times provides better intelligence than the CIA.

    The fear among Afghans is palpable. All but the youngest remember the Taliban’s authoritarian regime of the 1990s, with its draconian punishments, hangings and public executions.

    Many people have gone into hiding, changed their locations and telephone numbers, and broken off communications with friends and colleagues.

    More:

    But the first commanders have often been replaced by more heavy-handed enforcers who conduct raids and abductions, officials of the former government said.

    Told you so. Ala Mao in China, 1944-49.

    Except the period of mild rule is much shorter.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  416. Brian Kilmeade
    @kilmeade

    congress briefed – gates closed at Kabul airport. 300 plus Americans and 1000s of our afghan allies left behind. STRANDED how can anyone in Biden admin keep their jobs?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  417. 425.

    @washingtonpost reports that Taliban offered to stay out of Kabul and let US forces secure the city. We told them we only needed the airport. We could have controlled the airport and Kabul and evacuated everyone but chose not to. The incompetence is stunning.

    It’s not just incompetence, it’s unwillingness.

    Although there could be some incompetence (for instance, Biden, anticipating opposition, makes a decision to try only for the airport, then news of the offer never causes a review.)

    But more likely, the decision not to secure the city could have been forced on the military by Joe Biden’s bottom line of limiting the number of U.S. troops in Afghanistan.

    In fact it was that bottom line that forced the military to choose in July between Bagram Airport and Kabul airport. Biden would not authorize the number of troops that would cause the military to feel good about staying in both airports. Of course, the premise at that time was that the Afghan government would remain in control until after every American and many SIVs had left.

    Biden did authorize some more troops for the airport, when it looked like the Afghan government might not survive for long, because how could he not secure the airport> Diplomats would be trapped.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  418. Sec of Ed. during 0bama’s Reign of Error, this corksoaker obviously had a positive impact of the education of American children…

    Arne Duncan
    @arneduncan
    Aug 29
    Have you noticed how strikingly similar both the mindsets and actions are between the suicide bombers at Kabul’s airport, and the anti-mask and anti-vax people here?
    They both blow themselves up, inflict harm on those around them, and are convinced they are fighting for freedom.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  419. 300 plus Americans and 1000s of our afghan allies left behind. STRANDED

    Yesterday, on Sunday interview shows, members of the Biden Administraton said the airport was not the only way out. There are land borders.

    They also had made plans to sneak some people in. Assemble at a point. Now they’ll sneak in probably mostly only American passport horders.

    Biden was finessing the issue.

    For Trumpists, or people influenced by anti-immigrant propaganda, he wanted to take as few Afghans to the United States as possible. He will downplay what he does.

    For those people who wanted to take out Afghans,he vaguely referred to (without ever describing who he wanted to take out and who not) taking out Afghans.

    So he took out nearly 120,000 people, only 5,000 or so Americans and not too many third country nationals (not sure if he’s counting those the Europeans took out)

    He thought the pro-taking out Afghan people people would pay attention to intentions while the anti-refugee people would pay attention to results. 100,000 people (an unstated number going to other countries) would give credibility to intentions.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  420. Impact on…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  421. When Taliban fighters seized control of Kabul two weeks ago, the invading units made a beeline for two critical targets: the headquarters of the National Security Directorate and the Ministry of Communications.

    That is what the Einsatzgruppen did, too.

    Of course, the premise at that time was that the Afghan government would remain in control until after every American and many SIVs had left.

    Biden did authorize some more troops for the airport, when it looked like the Afghan government might not survive for long, because how could he not secure the airport>

    We built sand castles for 20 years and when they collapsed we tasked Biden with cleaning the sand off the beach, that’s what we did. Those grafting gangsters skimming every nation-building dollar that we gave them were no Afghan government, and their mob that we armed was no Afghan army.

    nk (1d9030)

  422. alongside the Bay of Pigs, the Fall of Saigon, the Black Hawk Down incident, and 9/11 itself in the list of era-defining American humiliations

    DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 8/30/2021 @ 1:17 am

    This twit isn’t much of a historian to omit Pearl Harbor, the Iranian hostage crisis and subsequent Desert One debacle either. And, of course, the 1975 ‘fall of Saigon’ is on the South Vietnamese as the U.S. negotiated a peace and left the war to their own doing in ’73.

    And what was the Bay of Pigs doing there? You could think he was thinking of situations caused by American decisions. Pearl Harbor is not there because it was in a different world. The fall of Saigon was caused by Congress stopping military aid, and President Thieu attempting to adjust for that by abandoning territory. But if the Iranian hostage crisis itself isn
    t one, Desert One though maybe should be. 9/11 doesn’t fit, and he knew it, except if you count it as a lack of preparedness.

    I think he was trying to name what were famous U.S. military blunders.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  423. 435. nk (1d9030) — 8/30/2021 @ 7:14 am

    That is what the Einsatzgruppen did, too.

    Yes, I thought about that, too. Pakistan officers have also studied the Nazi period.

    I didn’t want to mention that because of Godwin’s law and maybe it might be too strong.

    Here’s something from 2010

    https://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/the-fuehrer-cult-germans-cringe-at-hitler-s-popularity-in-pakistan-a-683966.html

    I was glad I avoided the usual Hitler conversation. Pakistanis always hone in on that topic whenever they talk to Germans. “We’re Aryans too,” they say, because there was an Indo-Germanic race, the Aryas. Besides, Hitler was a military genius, they add.

    Sometimes it’s better to keep quiet about one’s German origins. It’s embarrassing because people here think they’re doing you a favor by expressing their admiration for the Nazi leader.

    It;s also in India, but there it’s more ignorance.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  424. For the most part people I know who served on school boards genuinely wanted to help their communities..

    The behavior described in this article just sad.

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-aud-nw-school-board-hostility-20210830-an5cakk2vff7lk63ne5bah3b7q-story.html

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  425. “This guy’s lies cancel out my side’s lies.”

    There’s no canceling. Trump has lied more about the virus than any scientist in his or Biden’s administration, and it’s not even close, yet you give the liar a pass.

    Paul Montagu (5de684)

  426. Thousands of Greeks take to the streets, protesting government actions related to COVID. So far, police are limiting their response to firing tear gas.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  427. Speaking of “guess I was lied to”, on 8/31/2020, Trump told the nation that we were “rounding the final turn”. He liked saying that so much that he repeated it on 39 of the next 57 days of his campaign. From September 1st to his final day in office, 235,735 Americans lost their lives to CV19, which more than doubled the 193,339 Americans who had died up to that date. And there is a whole list of other “guess I was lied to’s”.

    Paul Montagu (5de684)

  428. https://thefederalist.com/2021/08/27/unlimited-power-the-latest-supreme-court-dissent-is-a-window-into-the-mind-of-the-covid-bureaucracy/

    None of that matters, Breyer claims, because this is an emergency, and by going to work, people put themselves at risk of dying. Nevermind that nurses, grocery clerks, flight attendants, bartenders, police officers, construction workers, cab drivers, soldiers, cooks, trash collectors, cameramen, janitors, plumbers, warehouse employees, bouncers, pilots, firemen, musicians, engineers, and a whole host of others have long been back at work. Nevermind that the United States economy needs workers so badly some businesses are going under for lack of them. Just look at the charts!

    In dissent, Justice Breyer includes a chart showing the rising number of COVID cases due to the delta variant. He warns that, with the moratorium lifted, the nation may see a wave of mass evictions with severe public-health consequences. pic.twitter.com/kmHfJ73QUA

    — SCOTUSblog (@SCOTUSblog) August 27, 2021

    Breyer is so convinced of this, he openly admits that backlogged government funds and renters refusing to pay rent is an “injury,” but claims the court has to “compare that injury with the irreparable harm of” eviction.

    What irreparable harm, exactly? Only the chart is offered. Breyer completely neglects to even try to explain how evictions are more dangerous than the masses of Americans freely moving out of New York, California, Oregon, D.C., and other COVID-obsessed areas, or going about their day to day business, but in his thinking, he doesn’t need to: The CDC is not to be questioned on law or constitutional authority by any court in this land.

    Those that voted or supported Biden voted for more Breyer’s, Kagan’s and Sotomayor’s on the Supreme Court. These 3 clearly consider citizens to be subjects to their and the left’s divine rule.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  429. @441 trump lies

    i wish someone had told me earlier

    JF (e1156d)

  430. i wish someone had told me earlier

    That’s believable.

    Paul Montagu (f9db85)

  431. Meanwhile, look at these morons… https://thepostmillennial.com/state-employee-union-sues-governor-inslee

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  432. Paul Montagu (5de684) — 8/30/2021 @ 7:48 am

    Trump has lied more …

    I’m not sure about “more” but that’s part of the reason he lost the election. He lost to someone the best and brightest assured everyone was honest, not corrupt, and competent. Even before the election, it was obvious that wasn’t true.

    Whatever you can say about Trump won’t fix the mess Biden’s making.

    frosty (f27e97)

  433. But… but… his tweets were so mean!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  434. Vax junkies know best

    mg (8cbc69)

  435. …According to Johns Hopkins University, [New Zealand] has seen 3,465 Covid cases and 26 deaths so far….
    …….

    BuDuh (fdd65e) — 8/29/2021 @ 10:45 pm

    Americans would never tolerate the NZ government response to the pandemic. For example:

    “On 13 May, the Government passed the controversial COVID-19 Public Health Response Act 2020 which gives police and other “enforcement officers” the power to enter homes and other premises without a warrant in order to enforce lockdown restrictions.”

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  436. 423.F eckless, D ementia- r idden hair sniffer

    Feckless-Dementia-Ridden??????

    Well, Colonel, Joe has always fancied himself another ‘F.D.R.’.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  437. , Trump told the nation that we were “rounding the final turn”. He liked saying that so much that he repeated it on 39 of the next 57 days of his campaign.

    There existed some projection in which that oulde true He had the vaccine coming, the antibodies coming.

    What Trump was doing though was playing to people’s ignorance when he attacked the economy damaging mitigation efforts. There was a basis for them. There was at least an argument for them.

    The people advocating them also projected a short time period for them.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  438. The interesting thing is how Biden Administration officials think their PR approach is good. I guess there’s no alternative when they cannot say things are going wrong, or not as expected.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  439. When a drone (flying from the Persian Gulf) dropped a bomb on a car in the middle of Kabul, not only was the car demolished, but there were secondary explosions (proving that the car indeed had explosives) which damaged another car and other things and killed innocent civilians, including small children. The U.S. military didn’t seem to understand this at first.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  440. Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 8/30/2021 @ 10:02 am

    Americans would never tolerate the NZ government response to the pandemic

    That won’t keep at least some of them from pining for it.

    frosty (f27e97)

  441. This is sad and hilarious at the same time

    https://www.ktnv.com/news/coronavirus/las-vegas-feed-store-sells-out-of-ivermectin-blames-customers-trying-to-treat-covid-19

    We are not a country of serious people.

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  442. https://thepostmillennial.com/state-employee-union-sues-governor-inslee

    Clearly a bunch of radical Trump supporters who don’t know their place amongst their betters.

    NJRob (da54e6)

  443. Quite a lot of rain yesterday, Wednesday, September 1, 2021, after 5 pm or a bit earlier, but damage is much less than Superstorm Sandy in 2012 and subway and LIRR service only slightly and more temporarily disrupted. People were urged to stay indoors.

    A tree fell on the tracks by the 8th Avenue station of the “N” train in Brooklyn so service was out early this morning.

    At 59 St, people going to Coney Island or closer were told to take the B9 bus. The people who were sent to remove the tree had to come from the Coney Island trainyard or so.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  444. Deaths from this storm – 46 in the NYC area (maybe a bit higher now) 23 in NJ 13 in NYC.

    In Superstorm Sandy:

    https://earthsky.org/earth/who-died-during-hurricane-sandy-and-why

    Most deaths from Hurricane Sandy – 49 deaths – occurred among people older than age 65. The most common way to die was by drowning in homes and cars. If you are driving your car into a flooded area, you need to remember this phrase: Turn around, don’t drown. If you are unsure how deep the water is, then you should turn around and avoid the risk of getting stuck and possibly drowning in your car.

    Then, as now, quite a few drowned in basements.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)


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