Republicans Introduce Vaccine Passport and Voter ID Harmonization Act
[guest post by Dana]
So, this is happening:
Republican lawmakers on Thursday introduced the Vaccine Passport and Voter ID Harmonization Act, legislation that would require states mandating vaccine passports to also mandate voter ID requirements.
The Daily Caller News Foundation first obtained the text of the bill, introduced by Kevin Cramer of North Dakota in the Senate and Nancy Mace of South Carolina in the House, “requiring states and local jurisdictions that institute vaccine passports to require voter identification in federal elections.”
“It makes no sense for Democrats to adamantly oppose commonsense Voter ID policies which protect the integrity of our elections,” Cramer said in a statement.
“If they’re comfortable making people show their private medical records to simply go to a restaurant, they should be fine having people prove they are who they say they are before they vote,” he continued. “Our legislation shines a light on their hypocrisy.”
Here’s Mace explaining why she believes the legislation is necessary:
Showing an ID is something we must do in everyday life. We need an ID when we get a job, cash our paychecks, rent an apartment, buy a car, buy alcohol or even cold medicine. States who mandate vaccine passports should be just as rigorous when it comes to something as important as protecting the right to vote. I am introducing legislation to require all states and local jurisdictions that institute vaccine passports to also require voter identification in ALL federal elections. It makes too much sense not to.
I’m pressed for time, and while I have a lot to say about this, I am forced to just drop it here for you to discuss.
–Dana
Hi and bye!
Dana (174549) — 8/12/2021 @ 12:45 pmSounds reasonable. Full transparency.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/12/2021 @ 12:48 pmThis should be interesting. An adult citizen without, legal impediments, has both the right to vote (and NOT to vote!) and the right to accept, or refuse, medical care (assuming they also have no legal, or medical impediments), which includes vaccination. I would prefer an id that simply states both franchise standing and medical standing.
I think it interesting that Democrats have no problem registering people to vote, but resist checking ID when voting. I think that if a citizen has a right to vote, then there should be no registration required, only proper ID. For those who argue that there are logistics that are addressed by a voter registration, then why wouldn’t the valid ID, which has an address on it, not be as usefull? Why can’t the info stated on a voter card, not be stated on the ID? Who cares if the ID might have to be larger? Put a chip in it!
felipe (484255) — 8/12/2021 @ 12:57 pmrepublicans could go one better by prohibiting vaccine passports unless they’re enforced at the biden sh!tshow known as the southern border
JF (e1156d) — 8/12/2021 @ 1:01 pmWell, see there, #3, that’s a whole bunch of jerbs lost at the County registrar, state board of elections, the chance at free donuts for bored septuagenarians etc.
urbanleftbehind (4e5526) — 8/12/2021 @ 1:09 pmHEH! That’s a feature, not a bug, imho.
felipe (484255) — 8/12/2021 @ 1:11 pmGiven that no state has issued a state-wide vaccine mandate, this is pure theater.
What happened to the “show me your papers” crowd?
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 8/12/2021 @ 1:11 pm@7 “states and local jurisdictions”
nice try, rip
JF (e1156d) — 8/12/2021 @ 1:18 pm@7 “states and local jurisdictions”
nice try, rip
JF (e1156d) — 8/12/2021 @ 1:18 pm
Whatever. It is still theater, the bill will never get out of Senate Rules Committee.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 8/12/2021 @ 1:20 pmThis “ID” may be a driver’s license or If a person is not a driver, then just a state issued Identification. We already have these and need not introduce a new card. We just add the information to them.
felipe (484255) — 8/12/2021 @ 1:34 pmChuck E. Cheese cards could also work.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/12/2021 @ 1:44 pmImagine you’re a normal person [work with me here]. The year is 2016. Rightly or wrongly, you believe most of what you see in the media. You believe polls are broadly reflective of public opinion. You believe doctors and scientists are trustworthy and independent. You’re a decent, reasonable person who follows the rules and trusts the authorities.
Imagine your shock, then, when Brexit, which you were assured couldn’t happen because it was a fringe movement led by racists for racists, happens. The polls, which widely predicted it wouldn’t happen, were wrong. The experts and pundits who told you day after day that it wouldn’t happen were also wrong. “Oh well,” you say, “these things happen.”
Imagine that soon after Brexit, Donald Trump is running for president. You are told by the most trustworthy media outlets that he is going to lose. Some experts say his opponent has a 99% chance of winning. Imagine waking up the morning after the election to discover that the pollsters, experts, and politicians you still trusted were wrong again. Now the racist monster who you were told would never get near the White House is the leader of the free world.
“How did this happen?” you ask yourself. How could everyone I rely on for good information be so wrong? “It was the Russians,” they tell you. “The Russians did Brexit, and they got Trump elected too.” Imagine that for the next three years, day after day, the media and politicians you still trust keep you up to date on this story of Trump’s collusion with Russia. They tell you the how, when, where, and why: the dossiers, the whistleblowers, the peeing prostitutes. Imagine your desperation for things to somehow make sense again.
Here comes the Mueller report. Hard evidence of foreign meddling in Brexit and the 2016 U.S. election is coming to set the world right again.
Imagine your shock, then, when you discover that Brexit had little to do with foreign meddling, and Robert Mueller has very little to report about Trump and the Russians. The collusion story, which dominated your news intake for the better part of three years, slowly dies down. Then it’s gone. No one talks about it anymore. Imagine that bit by bit, you’re starting to feel that the events you were told would not and could not happen not only happened, but happened without some sort of malign interference. Instead, millions of your fellow citizens simply voted for them. In the American case, it turns out many of your fellow citizens who simply voted for Trump come from states that have been devastated by an opioid epidemic enabled by a corrupt system of incentives involving the Food and Drug Administration, doctors, and Big Pharma. (You might want to take note of this. It will come up again later.)
Ha ha! read it all: https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/vaccines-konstantin-kisin
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/12/2021 @ 1:51 pmRight now, Texas, to take an obvious example, has reported about 54K deaths from COVID. But, if you look at the estimates from an “excess deaths” calculation, about 88K Texans had died of COVID, as of July 29th.
It is good to see Cramer and Mace focusing on the important issues. /sarc
(For the record, I favor voter IDs — and I know enough about the issue to recognize that they would do almost nothing to cut down on vote fraud.)
Jim Miller (edcec1) — 8/12/2021 @ 1:54 pm“Showing an ID is something we must do in everyday life. We need an ID when we get a job, cash our paychecks, rent an apartment, buy a car, buy alcohol or even cold medicine. States who mandate vaccine passports should be just as rigorous when it comes to something as important as protecting the right to vote. I am introducing legislation to require all states and local jurisdictions that institute vaccine passports to also require voter identification in ALL federal elections. It makes too much sense not to.”
Do so love those ideological conservatives… they look so good in red before they shower in gasoline and light up a smoke.
Comrades: back in the day, when chatting w/a few Marines in their bar atop the U.S. Embassy in Moscow, they let us know that in order for them to simply travel beyond a seven mile radius from the embassy compound – even within the Moscow city limits- they not only needed to have and show their IDs on demand– but were required to file for a ‘visa’ and produce it on demand– just to make those simple trips– even to a suburb. A genuine PITA.
Yes, love them ideological conservative Righties; true blue Red, through and through.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 8/12/2021 @ 2:01 pm> (For the record, I favor voter IDs — and I know enough about the issue to recognize that they would do almost nothing to cut down on vote fraud.)
if you believe they would do almost nothing to cut down on vote fraud, why do you favor them?
from what i see, this is a fight between those who (mostly wrongly) believe it will do something to prevent fraud and those who (mostly wrongly) believe it will do something to suppress voter turnout, both of whom are vehement in their beliefs.
aphrael (4c4719) — 8/12/2021 @ 2:23 pm> How did mask guidance change so profoundly?
the statistics for delta are different than for covid as a whole. Fatalities remain low, but *long covid* is a serious issue and infections are spreading through children rapidly. This is also why the APA is pushing for faster authorization of vaccinations for children.
aphrael (4c4719) — 8/12/2021 @ 2:25 pmThe masks perform better with delta?
BuDuh (7bca93) — 8/12/2021 @ 2:28 pmTalk about a profound change!
Holy cow, what a screwup.
BuDuh (7bca93) — 8/12/2021 @ 2:31 pm#16 BuDuh – Since you are interested in the mask efficacy question, you’ll want to look at this tweet, and the survey paper it links to.
From the Abstract:
Note that the team thinks masks are more important in “source control”; masks do more to keep the wearers from infecting other people, than to protect the wearers.
Jim Miller (edcec1) — 8/12/2021 @ 2:37 pm#17 “[I]f you believe they would do almost nothing to cut down on vote fraud, why do you favor them?”
Because I think the small amount is worth while, and, more importantly, because I think requiring IDs would increase the confidence in our voting systems.
Jim Miller (edcec1) — 8/12/2021 @ 2:40 pmI will try to find the time to compare the RCTs in your article to the ones outlined in my link, Jim. What strikes me as odd is that the CDC, as pointed out in my link, didn’t use any RCTs at all. If your study was convincing, why did they skip mentioning the RCTs they referenced?
BuDuh (7bca93) — 8/12/2021 @ 2:51 pmvoting rights
mg (8cbc69) — 8/12/2021 @ 3:14 pmif you don’t own land
pound sand
Does the harmonization go both ways in this silly performative bill?
Time123 (545f4b) — 8/12/2021 @ 3:14 pm88 billion to train the Afghan Troops in 20 years. They collapse in a month. Nice job Generals.
mg (8cbc69) — 8/12/2021 @ 3:21 pm88 fricking billion……
24.voting rights
if you don’t own land
pound sand
The sentiment is Jefferson but the language is Adams. 😉
“John, you’re a bore, We’ve heard this before, Now for God’s sake, John, sit down!” – Continental Congress Chorus, ‘1776’ 1972
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 8/12/2021 @ 3:28 pm#23 BuDuh – Dunno. But I can say that so far I have been unimpressed by the CDC’s performance during the COVID pandemic.
Jim Miller (edcec1) — 8/12/2021 @ 3:33 pm26.88 billion to train the Afghan Troops in 20 years. They collapse in a month. Nice job Generals. 88 fricking billion……
On Uncle Sam’s credit card, no less. Buy or sell an Afghan War Bonds lately?? But ahhhhh, the sweet smell of Yankee Doodle Fertilizer: Reaganomics.
“This letter’s post-marked Vietnam…”- SSgt., Barry Sadler, 1966
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 8/12/2021 @ 3:33 pmYou get no argument from me on that one, Jim.
BuDuh (7bca93) — 8/12/2021 @ 3:36 pmOff-topic: U.S. Asks Taliban to Spare Its Embassy in Coming Fight for Kabul
Isn’t this what the evil corporate lawyer does in the movies, when cornered by his victims?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 8/12/2021 @ 3:53 pmWhy stop there? Let’s add retinal pattern, fingerprint, DNA hash, nationality, citizenship and/or immigration status, blood type, HIV status, criminal history and current credit rating to the card. Lots of room on one of those chip thingies!
We are so far down the statist road there is really no argument left against a comprehensive national ID.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 8/12/2021 @ 3:57 pmBut I’d oppose a card that just targeted voting and Covid status. There are so many oxen to gore here it’s a target-rich environment. As for privacy, it’s really no more intrusive than what many people post on Facebook.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 8/12/2021 @ 3:59 pmWhat happened to the “show me your papers” crowd?
Which ones? The ones who oppose voter ID with the same argument? I only object to it because it doesn’t go far enough. Pop everyone’s balloon.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 8/12/2021 @ 4:01 pmrepublican voting rights
mg (8cbc69) — 8/12/2021 @ 4:05 pmonly the sophisticated vaccinated need apply
“Screw your freedom!”- Arnold Schwarzenegger, ex-GOP governor of California, actor and son of, Gustav Schwarzenegger, a registered Nazi.
Screw your maid instead, Arnold: knocked up by your knockwurst.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 8/12/2021 @ 4:09 pmHeh. That’s some legislative trolling if I’ve ever seen it. I would enjoy watching Democrats try to explain why an ID for voting is wrong, while an ID to prove one vaccination is not.
Hoi Polloi (998b37) — 8/12/2021 @ 4:11 pm@31. They’ll get a better deal from China.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 8/12/2021 @ 4:11 pm@31… and Nikes and Iphones…
‘ They’ve got us on the run… With guns… And knives… We’re running for our lives!” – Casino Royale, 1967
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 8/12/2021 @ 4:21 pmPathetic posturing by pathetic losers.
Or is that what they’re promising if they ever have the government again? Good luck with that plank, country cousins!
nk (1d9030) — 8/12/2021 @ 4:30 pm26.88 billion to train the Afghan Troops in 20 years. They collapse in a month. Nice job Generals.
88 fricking billion……
Wait ’til the audit is done on how much of that wasted billions was contracted to the Liz ad Dick Cheney Retirement Fund… aka Halliburton. 😉
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 8/12/2021 @ 4:31 pmComrades, we lost nothing when the Republicans lost Congress and the White House. Nothing at all.
nk (1d9030) — 8/12/2021 @ 4:48 pmhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1xuTJqZ20M
Streamng soon to a Tee Vee set near you… the $100 billon production of: Evacuation II
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 8/12/2021 @ 5:13 pm😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
dustin (9491b4) — 8/12/2021 @ 5:38 pmThis is performative symbolic legislation, like when Charlie Rangell introduced a bill that would re-introduce the draft on the eve of the Iraq War. The GOP doesn’t really want vax passports like the Dems aren’t thrilled about voter ID.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 8/12/2021 @ 5:47 pmJust think if the U.S. hadn’t been in Afghanistan for the last 20 years… the Middle East would be unstable.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/12/2021 @ 6:05 pmQ. Reporter: “Is the Taliban takeover of Afghanistan inevitable?”
A. President Plagiarist: “No!”
IDIOT.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 8/12/2021 @ 6:06 pmimagine if Biden had governed like he said he would, as a uniter for all Americans, and built up some capital with some measures that didn’t serve his partisan ends to maximum, then he spent that capital on measures like masks (a few months ago) and vaccines and maybe something we could all buy into.
Instead, the vaccine is even more political today.
Granted, the GOP on the national level is kinda a troll. They would shape up if they had to, and they would have to if Biden were governing to the center.
The problem is partly that Biden delegated his whole presidency to ambitious partisans. An old guy like that should have nothing to live for but doing a great job and building a legacy, but ice cream just can’t bring back his youthful energy I guess.
On just about everything, Biden’s quite a bad president. I know that kind of comment is an invitation for the people who made Biden possible to say they told us so, but no…. nevertrumpers told ya so in 2016. The dumbed down political system, dumb all over, brittle and useless all over, that was predictable in 2016.
dustin (9491b4) — 8/12/2021 @ 6:07 pmnot funny Col.
mg (8cbc69) — 8/12/2021 @ 6:10 pmbut I’m lmao
@46. You’re watching Fox, Haiku. Cash in any Afghan War Bonds lately??
____
U.S. COSTS TO DATE FOR THE WAR IN AFGHANISTAN, 2001-2021
watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/files/cow/
Since invading Afghanistan in 2001, the United States has spent $2.26 trillion on the war, which includes operations in both Afghanistan and Pakistan. Note that this total does not include funds that the United States government is obligated to spend on lifetime care for American veterans of this war, nor does it include future interest payments on money borrowed to fund the war.
They’ll be serving creamed-chipped-Cheney on toast at military mess halls for the next 20 years.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 8/12/2021 @ 6:12 pmNo, it’s not. Having said that, Fisher House is just one of several good ways to support our military folks.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/12/2021 @ 6:13 pm@49. He plagarized that off a Tucka guest Fox comic, mg. But hey, plagiarism is in these days!
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 8/12/2021 @ 6:14 pm$2.26 trillion on the war is support enough. Piss on ’em.
They couldn’t stop 18 guys w/$500,000 knocking down the WTC and any West Point professor, a visit to London’s Imperial War Museum. a chat w/a Soviet general or just watching the DVD of ‘Charlie Wilson’s War’ could have told the America’s five star-idiots tghat the neocon notion of an Afghanistan was doomed. They grow poppies, export heroin and herd sheep. They don’t want schools, an air force, cable TV of Starbucks. But they can have Liz Cheney to stake out on an ant hill any time.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 8/12/2021 @ 6:21 pmafghanistan going under
mg (8cbc69) — 8/12/2021 @ 6:32 pmbooooshes blunder
Yes, it would be a step in that direction.
That’s right. Such proposed legislation would be a fine needle.
felipe (484255) — 8/12/2021 @ 6:34 pm52… yes, lefty comedian Jimmy Dore… the funny guy that gets you lefties’ a-mincing…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/12/2021 @ 6:53 pmOfficious functionary: Can you identify yourself?
nk: (Takes out pocket mirror, looks into it.) Yup. That’s me.
Officious functionary: No, no, I mean you got any ID?
nk: ‘Bout what?
Officious functionary: ….
nk: ….
All these freedom-loving Americans who don’t want the guvmint telling them to wear masks and get vaccinated, but ain’t got no problem with making people get official government ID if they want to vote. Or get on a plane. Or into a courthouse. Yeah! Freedom, man!
nk (1d9030) — 8/12/2021 @ 6:59 pmThe Republicans would never accept the standard anti-forgery proofs of the vaccine passports as good enough for voter ID.
Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 8/12/2021 @ 7:17 pm@56. Grand Theft Trumpo. 😉
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 8/12/2021 @ 7:24 pmThere you go…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/12/2021 @ 7:27 pmSammy, I’d laugh out loud if this law happened and a judge interpreted it as states that require voter id must also require vaccine passports. They’d hear me all the way to Macon.
nk (1d9030) — 8/12/2021 @ 7:28 pmDemocrats may be interested in vaccine passes but they are not particularly interested, if at all, in preventing forgery of those passes.
The Democrats could counter the Republican trolls by trollishly proposing an amendment to the bill providing that, in any state that has voter ID, vaccine passports, and the documents that would be necessary to issue them in anyone’s name, be good enough ID for federal elections.
Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 8/12/2021 @ 7:28 pm61.nk (1d9030) — 8/12/2021 @ 7:28 pm
The only thing is, the law goes the other way.
But the fact that the proofs necessary to get a vaccine passport wouldn’t satisfy the Republicans clamoring for voter ID could be exploited.
And the pro vaccine people don’t truly care if someone gets vaccinated more than allowed.
Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 8/12/2021 @ 7:32 pmHa! Love it, nk. That said, it’s called “assent of the governed.” There will be points when that assent will be withheld. A law is only a operative if it is assented to. There is, I understand, a law, still on the books* (Boston?), that says it is lawful to kill a priest who wears his cassock (vestments) in public. No one assents to that law today.
* I would be happy to be corrected.
felipe (484255) — 8/12/2021 @ 7:45 pmThe State Department spokesman is increasingly looking like Baghdad Bob.
https://www.state.gov/briefings/department-press-briefing-august-10-2021
https://www.state.gov/briefings/department-press-briefing-august-11-2021
https://www.state.gov/briefings/department-press-briefing-august-12-2021/
Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 8/12/2021 @ 7:47 pmChina and Russia will probably recognize it.
Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 8/12/2021 @ 7:49 pmABDHUR RAHMAN, the Durani Chief, of him is the story told.
His mercy fills the Khyber hills—his grace is manifold;
He has taken toll of the North and the South—his glory reacheth far,
And they tell the tale of his charity from Balkh to Kandahar.
Abdhur Rahman, the Durani Chief, to the North and the South is sold.
The North and the South shall open their mouth to a Ghilzai flag unrolled,
When the big guns speak to the Khyber peak, and his dog-Heratis fly:
Ye have heard the song—How long? How long? Wolves of the Abazai!
Abdhur Rahman, the Durani Chief, holds hard by the South and the North;
But the Ghilzai knows, ere the melting snows, when the swollen banks break forth,
When the red-coats crawl to the sungar wall, and his Usbeg lances fail:
Ye have heard the song—How long? How long? Wolves of the Zuka Kheyl!
Abdhur Rahman, the Durani Chief, of him is the story told,
He has opened his mouth to the North and the South, they have stuffed his mouth with gold.
Ye know the truth of his tender ruth—and sweet his favours are:
Ye have heard the song—How long? How long? from Balkh to Kandahar.
— Rudyard Kipling, “The Ballad of the King’s Mercy” (abridged)
nk (1d9030) — 8/12/2021 @ 7:57 pm#67
3-1 but lacks courage and will
steveg (ebe7c1) — 8/12/2021 @ 8:00 pmmg, channeling Colonel Haiku but not getting the number of syllables right, wrote:
And how many times have I pointed out here that we had much better government when the franchise was restricted to white male property owners? 🙂
The libertarian, but not Libertarian, Dana (405d48) — 8/12/2021 @ 8:03 pmDCSCA quoted:
“I say vote yes, vote yes, vote for independency!” — Mr Adams
“Will someone shut that man up?”
“Never!”
The libertarian, but not Libertarian, Dana (405d48) — 8/12/2021 @ 8:06 pm@71. Which comes full circle to mg’s post:
voting rights
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 8/12/2021 @ 8:09 pmif you don’t own land
pound sand
Mr M wrote:
Why should the Taliban ‘spare’ our embassy? They saw how President Carter knuckled under when the Iranian ‘students’ seized our embassy in Tehran, and held our people hostage for 444 days. If President Biden doesn’t send in the Marines, now, to protect and evacuate our people, Hostage Crisis 2.0 will be all on him.
The libertarian, but not Libertarian, Dana (405d48) — 8/12/2021 @ 8:11 pmMr Finkelman wrote:
Remember when the lovely Gina Raimondo Moffit, then Governess of Connecticut, ordered the Staatspolizei to stop all vehicles with New York license plates, ’cause NYC was a hotbed of COVID? Remember when Frau Moffit sent the Sturmabteilung door-to-door in coastal resort communities, to ask if anyone there had been to New York? Wir müssen Ihre Dokumente sehen! Vaccine passports are just another version of the same [insert slang term for feces here.
The libertarian, but not Libertarian, Dana (405d48) — 8/12/2021 @ 8:27 pm“I’m proud of him. I’m proud of my son.” – President Plagiarist
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 8/12/2021 @ 8:33 pm—Liz Cheney, 8/12/2021
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 8/12/2021 @ 9:51 pm76.America’s enemies know that the slogan “ending endless war” actually means unconditional surrender. That is what we are seeing in Afghanistan today. American weakness is dangerously provocative. —Liz Cheney, 8/12/2021
Neocon bullsh!t. AKA: Creamed-Chipped-Cheney-On-Toast.
How many Afghan War Bonds has she bought? Oh. Right. Stock in Halliburton is a better buy for you and Daddy Darth, eh dear?!
Since invading Afghanistan in 2001, the United States has spent $2.26 trillion on the war, which includes operations in both Afghanistan and Pakistan. Note that this total does not include funds that the United States government is obligated to spend on lifetime care for American veterans of this war, nor does it include future interest payments on money borrowed to fund the war.
For the tents to fold in just 90 days after two decades and trillions charged to Uncle Sam’s credit card speaks volumes to the stunning, spinning stupidity of anal right-wing Neocon ideology and American military brassholes pushing it when failing to learn what any savvy West Point professor, wise instructor at Britain’s Imperial War Museum, several well quilled Kipling pieces or a retired Soviet general could have taught them.
A miserable land of sheep herders, rug weavers, poppy growers and heroin exporters for centuries with no interest in air conditioned schools, maintaining an air force or want a Starbucks and McDonald’s in the Kyber Pass has zero interest or incentive to fight for them. Roast mutton on a stick around the campfire makes for a contented towelhead. And the prime contractors pushed by the likes of Daughter Darth and Daddy Darth deserve serious scrutiny–an audit– to refund Uncle Sam for piss-poor service givn the speed of the collapse. How much of those trillions were contracted to the Cheney Family Retirement Fund – aka Halliburton- that should come out in that audit.
This has been one of the stupidest wastes of blood and treasure since the British Empire and Soviet Empire failed there as well.
Afghanistan is where empires go to die. Add America to the list- their century born December 7, 1941; peaked July 20, 1969; died September 11, 2001 -and buried in August, 2021 with the help of clean-skirted, war profiteering, neocon nutbags like the Cheneys.
On deck, China. Even with basic geography a plus- watch them march into the glorious heroin hell as they spiral down the rabbit hole.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 8/12/2021 @ 10:42 pmQ. Reporter: “Is the Taliban takeover of Afghanistan inevitable?”
A. President Plagiarist: “No!”
Followup: “Will you resign if they do?”
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 8/12/2021 @ 10:53 pmOn just about everything, Biden’s quite a bad president. I know that kind of comment is an invitation for the people who made Biden possible to say they told us so, but no…. nevertrumpers told ya so in 2016. The dumbed down political system, dumb all over, brittle and useless all over, that was predictable in 2016.
Everything, absolutely everything bad that has happened bad, including Covid, is the fault of those who voted in primaries for Trump.
The Chinese would never have tried this bioweapon attack if we had a strong Republican president instead of that buffoon.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 8/12/2021 @ 10:56 pmHostage Crisis 2.0 will be all on him.
I don’t think you realize who deep the MSM is invested in Biden and the Dems. Worse, Trump will probably decide to make the crisis all about Trump.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 8/12/2021 @ 10:58 pmThis is a massive mistake because there are no “good” Taliban and they’ve not disassociated from al Qaeda or the Islamic State. All we can expect from them is barbarity and a terrorist safe haven, which is exactly what we were trying to prevent. Instead of deploying 3,000 troops to kill Taliban, Biden is using them to facilitate our cut-and-run.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 8/12/2021 @ 11:46 pm‘blah, blah, blah…–Adam Kinzinger, 8/12/2021’
Neocon bullsh!ter, junior league.
‘This is a massive mistake because there are no “good” Taliban and they’ve not disassociated from al Qaeda or the Islamic State. All we can expect from them is barbarity and a terrorist safe haven, which is exactly what we were trying to prevent. Instead of deploying 3,000 troops to kill Taliban, Biden is using them to facilitate our cut-and-run.’
More Creamed-Chipped-Cheney-On-Toast. After 20 years and $2-plus trillion dollars, aren’t you full of it, yet?
This is the “massive mistake”: any savvy West Point professor, instructor at Britain’s Imperial War Museum, several well quilled Kipling pieces or a retired Soviet general could have shown Neocon weenies how this would metastasize into one of the stupidest wastes of blood and treasure since the British Empire and Soviet Empire failed there.
Afghanistan is where empires go to die. Add America to the list thanks to the MIC’s Pentagon brassholes and clean-skirted, war profiteering, neocons ideologues and wackjobs like the Cheneys. Credit card wars are best fought in America — by direct mail.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 8/13/2021 @ 1:26 amThis wasn’t an “endless war” any more than is Kosovo, Korea or Japan.
Is Kinzinger really this stupid????
K,K & J ain’t Muttonland. France wasn’t Muttonland. Britain wasn’t Muttonland.
Normandy isn’t the Kyber Pass, Tokyo ain’t Kandahar and Seoul sure as hell ain’t a Kabul.
But Afghanistan is your Vietnam, kid. Except taxes paid for Vietnam along w/ program cuts, not put on Uncle Sam’s credit card. And when it comes to the world wars- like w/’Japan’… or any of the Axis powers:
‘The $25 bonds became the most publicized and most popular, selling for $18.75 and maturing over a ten-year period to pay the bondholder $25. Beginning in 1942, these bonds—which eventually became better known as “War Bonds”—could be purchased on an installment plan through payroll deductions at the work place.’
Bought or sold any Afghan War Bonds lately kid?
Nope. So STFU, Adam.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 8/13/2021 @ 1:54 amWant to start a pool when kabul falls and is renamed bin ladin city? Anyone remember what happened on april 30 1975?
asset (c1f76b) — 8/13/2021 @ 2:15 ambuhbye saigon
mg (8cbc69) — 8/13/2021 @ 2:28 amhttps://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/ted-cruz-saved-america-at-330-am-last-night/
mg (8cbc69) — 8/13/2021 @ 3:05 amonly 1 objection?
Of course a politician like Adam Kinzinger would think that Afghanistan should have a system like ours where people like him run things. But why would the Afghanis, or the Vietnamese for that matter, want people like him to run things?
nk (1d9030) — 8/13/2021 @ 4:02 ammg (8cbc69) — 8/13/2021 @ 3:05 am
thanks for the link, mg!
felipe (484255) — 8/13/2021 @ 4:33 amWhile there is certainly much we can critique on this war, let’s discuss from the point of where we were when the decision to leave was made.
Oh no, Adam, let’s start with the first part. What exactly do you think about this war deserves critique, especially in context of your argument that we continue to treat Afghanistan like an American colony?
Factory Working Orphan (2775f0) — 8/13/2021 @ 4:50 amThis is tinfoil hat stuff.
Time123 (9f42ee) — 8/13/2021 @ 5:15 amMr M wrote:
Of course I recognize how invested the credentialed media are in President Biden, and it may be even more than people think; they absolutely loved the notion of a black, female Vice President, but it hasn’t taken them, and the corporations which pay them, long to realize what a huge disaster Kamala Emhoff would be as President.
But the non-credentialed media are growing every day, while newspapers, at the least, are not-so-slowly dying. The left want to censor the uncontrolled media, because they can see all of the buffoonery and incompetence of the Biden Administration being exposed, but they really can’t keep it quiet. If there is a Hostage Crisis 2.0, there won’t be just a few people closing news broadcasts with, “That’s the way it is, on Day 235 of America Held Hostage,” but uncounted thousands.
The libertarian, but not Libertarian, Dana (405d48) — 8/13/2021 @ 5:17 amMr Kinzinger wrote:
I’ve said it before, to the disgust of many people: the only way that wars are won is by killing people and destroying the ability of the survivors to continue the fight. If we are not willing to do that, we shouldn’t fight wars at all.
The Soviets were certainly more brutal than we have been, but even their efforts to kill all of the Afghan rebels failed, and the Soviets pulled out.
The only way we could have ‘won’ in Afghanistan would have been to kill or maim all of their fighting aged men, and enough of their boys growing into fighting age that those surviving would have been cowed into emasculation. We didn’t do that in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in Vietnam or even in Korea; the last time we were willing to let all Hell rain down from the skies, and not care who we killed, was during World War II.
The Taliban have won because we were not willing to do what it would have taken to defeat them.
An old college professor of mine used to say, about the Viet Cong, they were more willing to die for their country than we were willing to keep on killing them. He was absolutely right.
The libertarian, but not Libertarian, Dana (405d48) — 8/13/2021 @ 5:29 amA commenter who is an asset to this site wrote:
Kabul will fall soon, perhaps within a week, but it won’t be renamed Bin Laden City. Osama bin Laden was an Arab, and the Afghanis are not Arabs; the Taliban would never rename it for someone who is not an Afghan.
Mullah Omar City, perhaps?
The libertarian, but not Libertarian, Dana (405d48) — 8/13/2021 @ 5:33 amOur Windy City barrister wrote:
We have naïvely assumed that, since Western democracy is the best system ever, that all non-Westerners would aspire to it. But even the Germans rejected Western democracy, back in 1933, happily accepting a dictatorship which promised — and delivered — economic restoration and national pride.
We were only able to impose democracy on Germany and Japan because we had killed all of the opponents of it, and all of the strong men who could have otherwise seized power in a war-defeated country. Western democracy works, in the liberal West, because it grew, slowly, as part of our culture, in Great Britain and France and the United States. Where, in the cultures heavily influenced by Islam, would you ever expect to see democracy truly take root?
The libertarian, but not Libertarian, Dana (405d48) — 8/13/2021 @ 5:42 amthe Germans rejected Western democracy, back in 1933,
If the Germans of 1933 watched any fifteen minutes of any House or Senate hearing, right now, they’d reject it again. 😉
nk (1d9030) — 8/13/2021 @ 6:16 amWhen Aaron Burr took control of 10-year old Tammany Hall in 1799 and made it into a political machine, he arranged for men to buy a tiny piece of land in order to be able to vote.
Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 8/13/2021 @ 6:35 am84.
I think the Taliban will wait and see if all the Americans get out. If the United States looks like it want to keep a small footprint there, they’ll try to chase it out. AS for date: How does September 11th look to you?
It won’t be renamed because it is mostly “modern” movements that are into doing that, and if it were to be renamed it wouldn’t be renamed after bin Laden, because the Taliban do not like to be associated with him publicly n the wrong places.
Biden does, for one. That’s why he’s keeping control of the civilian airport until all Americans and British and other allies (some of whom are also sending troops) are out. The Taliban remember Benghazi and how right after that, the Obama-Biden Administration pulled alll Americans out of Benghazi. They would know about it from Qatar.
One thing Biden did was make employees of media corporations also eligible for asylum, but they’ll have to make their own way out. I think some Americans will try to maneuver to stay there a little loner in order to help their associates get out, and not get killed, because they know nobody will keep the airport open for those people.
Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 8/13/2021 @ 6:49 amThe Germans did nor reject democracy in 1933, but they had a bad constitution.
Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 8/13/2021 @ 6:51 amI don’t believe anyone had the expectation that Afghanistan would someday morph into a Scandinavian democracy, only that it would lift itself out of the 8th century and get to a 13th century level.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 8/13/2021 @ 6:53 amWe were holding the place together with a few thousand troops and aid money. We hadn’t lost a soldier there since February 2020, so we had found a way to do it with a small footprint and targeted strikes, without a serious hit to our defense budget.
It’s as if Biden learned nothing from his previous cut-and-run, back when his boss declared that we “won” in Iraq and opened the door to an overrun by the Islamic State.
The libertarian, but not Libertarian, Dana (405d48) — 8/13/2021 @ 5:29 am
The Vietcong were finished by 1969. It was the North Vietnamese army. And Nixon won the war in December 1972, but we were so tired out that Henry Kissinger didn’t realize that once the North Vietnamese were willing to sue for peace, they’d agree to almost anything, not just our minimum demands.
Interesting point that has been made: The United States has diplomatic relations with Vietnam now and even had the Navy visit a port – but Cuba remains a pariah state. A lot of history goes into what happens.
Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 8/13/2021 @ 6:56 amTrump supported this debacle, but Biden fully owns this situation and his hypocrisy.
Paul Montagu (5de684) — 8/13/2021 @ 7:01 am99. Paul Montagu (5de684) — 8/13/2021 @ 6:53 am
And air power and tactical bombing. The ground troops weren’t even in combat. More may get killed now in the evacuation depending on what the Taliban decide to do.
It’s clear that without a U.S. commitment or without the United States believing the Afghan givernment will survive, at least in Kabul, nobody else will either.
Right. But some people bought into stupid arguments.
Now an ongoing war is not a good situation, but it;s beter than some other things.
They looked at the balance of forces and said that the Afghan army was more superior to its opposition than South Vietnam had been.
Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 8/13/2021 @ 7:02 amKabul will fall before the end of August.
Dementia Joe Biden is… The Man Who Would be Klinger
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/13/2021 @ 7:03 amPaul Montagu (5de684) — 8/13/2021 @ 7:01 am
I think he;s still in denial about that but you can see the skeptical questions at the State Department briefings.
In spite of his denial, he is also, or has also consented, to planning for a worse case scenario – that is not actually the worst case scenario.
No, they are engaged in high speed diplomacy.
The only diplomacy that could work is publicly threatening massive sanctions against Pakistan should the Taliban take over all of Afghanistan.
In addition to all the other things, in one place at least, stores were burnt – I think with people in them. There are door to door executions of civilians. They probably would like to execute anyone tot likely to accept their rule – and they’d rather kill them then let them become refugees because that could turn world opinion against them and make some sort of re-intervention more likely.
Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 8/13/2021 @ 7:13 am103. Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/13/2021 @ 7:03 am
Any attempt to do so would keep U.S. troops there longer, and so would any hostage crisis.
Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 8/13/2021 @ 7:15 amA Racial Reckoning For The.Democrats
Vermont Democrat Party chair Bruce Olsson published a commentary recently proclaiming yet again that Republicans are “racist.” This is particularly rich since the Democrat party is the oldest and most enduring racist political party in history, and its racism continues to this day. Here are the facts:
The Democrat Party was founded in 1828. Its first national party platform, ratified during the 1840 Presidential election, stated: “ that all efforts by abolitionists or others, made to induce congress to interfere with questions of slavery… are calculated to lead to the most alarming and dangerous consequences, and that all such efforts have an inevitable tendency to diminish the happiness of the people… and ought not to be countenanced by any friend to our political institutions.”
The message was clear: the Democrat Party did not consider Black Americans to be “people” deserving of “happiness.”
That same language was in every national Democrat party platform for the next 16 years.
Democrat party leaders acted on their racist principles, committing high treason against their country and their fellow Americans between 1861-1865 in order to preserve the system of Black human bondage.
In 1868, the Democrat Party platform urged amnesty for the traitors who, during the Civil War, killed hundreds of thousands of Americans for the purpose of preserving slavery. The platform also called for “the abolition of the Freedmen’s Bureau; and all political instrumentalities designed to secure negro supremacy”:
In 1904, seventy-six years after its founding, the Democrat party’s platform complained about the Republican platform:
“The race question has brought countless woes to this country. The calm wisdom of the American people should see to it that it brings no more.
To revive the dead and hateful race and sectional animosities in any part of our common country means confusion, distraction of business, and the reopening of wounds now happily healed. We therefore deprecate and condemn the Bourbon-like selfish, and narrow spirit of the recent Republican Convention at Chicago which sought to kindle anew the embers of racial and sectional strife, and we appeal from it to the sober common sense and patriotic spirit of the American people.”
The Republican party’s “hateful” rhetoric in their party platform that the Democrats condemned? Here it is:
“We demand equal justice for all men, without regard to race or color; we declare once more, and without reservation, for the enforcement in letter and spirit of the Thirteenth, Fourteenth and Fifteenth amendments to the Constitution which were designed for the protection and advancement of the negro, and we condemn all devices that have for their real aim his disfranchisement for reasons of color alone, as unfair, un-American and repugnant to the Supreme law of the land.”
Throughout most of the 20th century, Democrats condoned or excused policies of apartheid and disenfranchisement of Black Americans. Senate Democrats successfully filibustered a Republican led anti-lynching bill in 1934, and a Republican-led effort to ban the poll tax in 1940. At the time, the poll tax was so effective in the American South that only 3% of Black Americans were registered to vote there. Elected Democrats fought tooth and nail against anti-racist legislation, filibustering the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and engaging in so-called “massive resistance” against school integration into the early 1970s. A century and half of racist policies vigorously supported by Democrat party leaders — no other political party in history comes close.
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/08/a_racial_reckoning_for_the_democrats.html
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/13/2021 @ 7:15 ammy pleasure, felipe.
mg (8cbc69) — 8/13/2021 @ 7:17 amA deal like that of Columbia with the FARC (which has to be Biden;s best hope) is not in the cards, unless Pakistan and China and Russia force it.
The Taliban are either not interested in settling down and banking their money or can count on Pakistan to launder it for them, They would have been long ago, had Pakistan not conspired to kill all Taliban wishing to cash in their chips.
Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 8/13/2021 @ 7:19 amAfghanistan was always about applying active resistance to jihadis and those that support them. Like a bug infestation, make it costly for them to creep out of their holes.
Just because something is persistent and hard doesn’t mean you give up. Take inner city crime….it’s always going to be there, but is the answer to get rid of the police? Of course not, that just reduces the cost of committing crime and you get more of it. In Afghanistan, we don’t want terrorists to operate with impunity….recruiting, training, planning. So it’s in our interest to assist the fledgling Afghani government and its raw army to oppose the Taliban. Our biggest contributions are intelligence, air power, training, and special forces support. Now much of that is either gone or somewhere over the horizon….and more expensive to deploy.
Our casualties have been remarkably low over the past 5 years…we’re not hemorrhaging money or people. Nothing was compelling this exit except political expediency and a made up timeline. When our previous allies are massacred and instability breeds new terrorist strongholds, we’ll know who to point the finger at…..
AJ_Liberty (a4ff25) — 8/13/2021 @ 7:19 am“Last year when politicians and pundits were praising Cuomo, many of them knew the kind of person he was.
Imagine all of the monsters who are hiding in plain sight, not yet exposed, while their powerful colleagues praise and work with them.
—- Spike Cohen
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/13/2021 @ 7:26 am@106 and what happened after 1965?
Time123 (9f42ee) — 8/13/2021 @ 7:28 am“I believe them [Biden accusers] and I respect them being able to tell their story and having the courage to do it.”
—- Kamala Harris
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/13/2021 @ 7:29 amTell your Timey Tale!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/13/2021 @ 7:30 amOr consult the opinions of Daniel Moynihan…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/13/2021 @ 7:32 amWomen and young girls are being forced into marriage and sex slavery. And the same Biden administration that prides itself on its concern for social justice, racial justice, gender justice, and LGBT pride is going to stand by and watch girls’ schools shut down, ethnic cleansing against Shi’ite Hazaras, and homosexuals stoned to death.
The opium-dealing pederasts we allied ourselves with were doing those same things before the Taliban, and they didn’t stop while we were there. Read this story: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/30/us/green-beret-who-beat-up-afghan-officer-for-raping-boy-can-stay-in-army.html
The Taliban initially gained acceptance among the general population by hanging rapists from their tank gun barrels.
I think that Bulwark article is just made up propaganda by a propagandist.
nk (1d9030) — 8/13/2021 @ 7:35 amAnd since I’m in a disputatious mood, Germany was brought out of the Middle Ages by Martin Luther and Japan by Commodore Perry. Eisenhower, Zhukov and MacArthur just cured their temporary bouts of Fascist fever. There’s no analogy to Afghanistan.
nk (1d9030) — 8/13/2021 @ 7:49 amWhat can be done with a people who – when told man has walked on the Moon – look to the sky, hold up thumb and forefinger about two inches apart signifying the size of the Moon in the sky and say that’s not possible, the Moon is too small for a man to walk on.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/13/2021 @ 7:57 amdiGenova, Toensing and Andy McCarthy couldn’t be reached for comment…
“Power concedes nothing without demand. We too often underestimate the power we have as regular American citizens by marching, by protesting, by raising our voices. That’s a really important part of the thing that I’m leading, The National Democratic Redistricting Committee. We have a big advocacy campaign to get American citizens involved in this fight. If we make our voices known if we demand the kind of change, the fair change we’re seeking, I think it will help in the process.”
Raising the consciousness of people by demonstrating, by getting arrested, by doing the things that ending segregation. If you asked people back in the 1950s, do you think marching, demonstrating will bring down a system of American apartheid? You probably would have said, no, that won’t happen. We shouldn’t lose faith right now. We shouldn’t lose faith. Citizens can make a change. Citizens need to be in the streets. Citizens need to be demonstrating. Citizens need to be calling representatives to demand the kind of change that will make this country more representative, make our democracy more fair.”
—- Eric Holder
Colonel Haiku (0c588c) — 8/13/2021 @ 8:13 amIt gets old having the big stick taken from you and then getting a beating with it.
mg (8cbc69) — 8/13/2021 @ 8:34 amHolder’s thinly disguised call to arms goes out to Black Bloc and other regime Brownshirts…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/13/2021 @ 8:40 amhttps://abc7chicago.com/indiana-university-amy-coney-barrett-supreme-court-vaccine-mandate/10949155/
If a certain someone was still allowed on Twitter, we’d see a “nasty ungrateful b-” tweet this morning.
urbanleftbehind (d8ea9b) — 8/13/2021 @ 8:42 amThey should stop talking so much about the vaccine, which everyone knows about, and talk more about the anttibodies. It’s not getting talked about in the news.
The Biden Administration is at least doing more about them:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/12/us/politics/biden-covid-monoclonal-antibodies.html
Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 8/13/2021 @ 8:49 amAlmost on topic: There is something strange about Florida’s COVID numbers. Yesterday, the state registered 24,869 cases — and only 18 deaths. (That’s by far the largest number of cases for any US state, and a record for Florida.)
(In contrast, Texas registered 14,182 cases and 140 deaths, which, sadly, is about what I would expect.)
Ordinarily, deaths lag the cases by 2 to 3 weeks or more, but in Florida they are — supposedly — going in different directions.
It may be something as simple as the people registering the deaths falling behind, way behind. (That happens on weekends, all over the world.)
Jim Miller (edcec1) — 8/13/2021 @ 8:52 amBiden withdrew at the worst possible time (the sart if fighting season) and without any planning.
The Taliban rest from the war in Pakistan. The United States and the Afghan government have (with minor exceptions, like the raid on bin Laden) have always respcted te Afghan-Pakistan border. Not so the Taliban. Whihch is why the war did not end.
Donald Trump has issued a statement claiming
https://www.livemint.com/news/world/donald-trump-blames-joe-biden-for-unacceptable-taliban-surge-in-afghanistan-11628784054543.html
Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 8/13/2021 @ 8:55 amJim, I think there may be some explanations for that
Time123 (9f42ee) — 8/13/2021 @ 8:57 am-Delta is more contagious but less dangerous
-Vaccination rates are higher among older Americans who were more likely to be seriously impacted
-Treatments for Covid have gotten a lot better.
-There’s still a lag between case, hospitalization and mortality
@124 no one believes him.
Time123 (9f42ee) — 8/13/2021 @ 8:57 am123.
Or this maybe:
From the NYT article cited @122:
They may be testing more and also saving more lives.
What cured president Trump, is at last, being used more in Florida.
That could also be in combination with a reporting lag.
Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 8/13/2021 @ 9:03 amhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/08/12/census-data-race-ethnicity-neighborhoods/
This is interesting. I wonder how the “Stop teh white genocide.” Wing of the GOP is going to react?
Time123 (9f42ee) — 8/13/2021 @ 9:05 amWho is that and how many members do they have?
BuDuh (7bca93) — 8/13/2021 @ 9:13 amFlorida’s elderly are more healthy than almost anywhere else in the lower 48 die to the aggregation of highest-earning and affinity for outdoor recreation activities. Contrast this with a rust belt or northeastern urban center.
urbanleftbehind (d8ea9b) — 8/13/2021 @ 9:16 amSo only 1/3 of New Yorkers (approximately) have been vaccinated at this point?
If true, damn dat Donald Trump!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/13/2021 @ 9:16 amOur problem in Afghanistan was like our failure in Vietnam — we were about nation-building and not subjugation. The Russian approach — which worked until we started supporting the Mujuhideen — was to kill everyone who did not submit. We were not willing to do that, and so the enemy just waited.
If we are assigning blame to the loss to the Taliban, maybe Charlie Wilson is the culprit.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 8/13/2021 @ 9:18 amBiden seems to default to an all-of-the-above strategy for most anything (except climate change but maybe we’ll see it there too – adaptation plus lower emissions even if he is against oil production in the USA – but there he wants OPEC to produce more, at least right now)
1. Infrastructure; any spending project that anybody lobbies for, even if the same result could probably be gotten, sooner and better and cheaper. Part of the idea behind this approach s that what maybe matters is how much money goes out the door.
2. Afghanistan: Withdrawal and more troops. Deadline for the end of U.S. air support and no deadline.
Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 8/13/2021 @ 9:19 amThe problem was sanctuaries. The Korean War ended because Eisenhower threatened escalation (actually he threatened to drop nuclear radiation along the front line.)
Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 8/13/2021 @ 9:22 am128. They’ll ignore it. They are only interested in restricting immigration.
Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 8/13/2021 @ 9:23 amA lot of it is due to tabulation changes for white-mixed-with-other. Apparently, White-“ABB*” recipients were more enthusiastically encouraged by Census to select Other.
*Anything But Black
In recent times, mixed white-black and white-Hispanic were more likely to identify as the minority race than white-Asian or even White-Nat Am for program eligibility purposes.
This also reminds me of the “Bob Martin / Roberto Martinez, 2 persons exactly 50%Anglo land 50% mexican, but with different choices apparent to them” analogy that Victor Davis Hanson would bring up in several of his columns.
urbanleftbehind (d8ea9b) — 8/13/2021 @ 9:24 amWho is that and how many members do they have?
Ain’t nobody got time for dat!!!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/13/2021 @ 9:25 am@Col Haiku:
The vaccination rate in New York State is past 70%
https://covid19vaccine.health.ny.gov/covid-19-vaccine-tracker
Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 8/13/2021 @ 9:28 amhttps://www.flgov.com/2021/08/05/governor-ron-desantis-highlights-success-of-monoclonal-antibody-treatments-for-covid-19-at-tampa-general-hospital
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-florida-desantis-monoclonal-antibody-treatment-hospitals
Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 8/13/2021 @ 9:33 amI wonder how the “Stop teh white genocide.” Wing of the GOP is going to react?
There best reaction, and the one that I expect, is to have more babies. The more sophisticated white folk in both parties will be talking it over with their only child.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 8/13/2021 @ 9:34 am*Their
sheesh.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 8/13/2021 @ 9:34 amFlorida is launching a rapid response unit to administer monoclonal antibody therapies to residents fighting COVID-19
The Pound of Cure™
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 8/13/2021 @ 9:35 am138… I’ll take it up with the Armstrong & Getty radio show, Sammy… thanks.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/13/2021 @ 9:37 amWe were holding the place together with a few thousand troops and aid money. We hadn’t lost a soldier there since February 2020, so we had found a way to do it with a small footprint and targeted strikes, without a serious hit to our defense budget.
Since invading Afghanistan in 2001, the United States has spent $2.26 trillion on the war, which includes operations in both Afghanistan and Pakistan. Note that this total does not include funds that the United States government is obligated to spend on lifetime care for American veterans of this war, nor does it include future interest payments on money borrowed to fund the war.
Serious hit to DoD budget?!?! $2.26 trillion over 20 years ain’t serious money???
Oh. Right. The conservative Neocon mindset: Reaganomics.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 8/13/2021 @ 9:39 am142, lots of people in FL with experience moving “pounds” from place to place, though it might be from 25 years ago and further back.
urbanleftbehind (d8ea9b) — 8/13/2021 @ 9:45 am140. Kevin M (ab1c11) — 8/13/2021 @ 9:35 am
No, in this case it’s a Pound of Prevention versus an Ounce of Cure.
You have to vaccinate everyone to have an effect, and at least two weeks in advance, but you have to administer the cure only to the small number that get infected, and it’s cheaper to manufacture. And the cure can also be used as prevention.
The Biden Administration is at least doing more about them:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/12/us/politics/biden-covid-monoclonal-antibodies.html
Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 8/13/2021 @ 9:50 amRe the Census and white replacement theorem, JD Vance’s hallowed Middletown OH actually gained population, but isn’t he at best a demographic wash himself?
urbanleftbehind (d8ea9b) — 8/13/2021 @ 9:53 amAnd then to those vaccinated, you have to add those naturally infected, often with an unnoticeable case.
People may also get booster infections because there’s something I read that makes no sense without it.
With time there seems to be a greater variety of antibodies in those with naturally acquired immunity.
Of course there’s greater risk from real Covid compared to the vaccine. It could kill you. At least without getting the antibodies quickly. But it could still.
Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 8/13/2021 @ 9:55 am@129, Tucker Carlson and whoever was tuning in for his segments on replacement theory.
Time123 (9f42ee) — 8/13/2021 @ 10:04 amSammy, thank you for the thorough and thoughtful information.
Time123 (9f42ee) — 8/13/2021 @ 10:06 amThe CDC has appproved a third shot in certain circumstances, But only for people who got the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines.
People who got one dose of J&J don’t have anything approved yet.
Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 8/13/2021 @ 3:48 pm143. Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/13/2021 @ 9:37 am
I don’t know anything about them, but there could be a question if they will allow themselves to be corrected.
Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 8/13/2021 @ 3:50 pmSammy,
pretty sure they are talking about the black population in NYC. They’ve been the topic lately since DeBlasio declared they will have no rights next month when his fascist policies go further into effect.
On another note, glad I got to visit the Met one last time before they demanded “papers please.” I will never prove I’m a legitimate citizen beyond my ID.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 8/13/2021 @ 7:07 pmThe CBS Evening News will have a segment tomorrow evening (Tuesday) probably repeated on Wednesday morning (they’ve been promoting it) about people buying fake vaccine cards.
Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 8/16/2021 @ 4:28 pmhttps://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-vaccine-eligibility.page
Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 8/17/2021 @ 2:05 pmBreaking: Texas Governor Abbot tests positive for Covid after being fully vaccinated.
Feds plan to announce new seres of booster shots.
$$$$$$ ‘Pig’ Pharma $$$$$$
Wait. For. The. Pill.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 8/17/2021 @ 2:42 pmWhat vaccine did Gov. Abbott take? Amd how positive was he – or they don’t release that, of course, and treat it as binary?.
Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 8/17/2021 @ 2:58 pm