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7/15/2021

Los Angeles County to Reimpose Mask Mandates [Updated]

Filed under: General — JVW @ 6:43 pm



[guest post by JVW]

UPDATE: July 16 @ 1:45 pm

It makes my day when the esteemed David Burge (“Iowahawk”) agrees with me:

—- Original Post —-

I hope they have thought this through, but I would be willing to bet they have not:

Confronted with an exponential spike in coronavirus cases, Los Angeles County is re-implementing its indoor mask mandate.

According to the mandate set to go into effect at 11:59 p.m. Saturday, people will be required to wear masks while indoors in public spaces regardless of their vaccination status. Since the June 15 reopening, the county has only recommended mask-wearing indoors. The new mandate comes as Los Angeles County reported 1,537 new COVID-19 cases Thursday – the highest number of new cases in months. For a week now, the county’s daily new case rate has topped 1,000. Los Angeles County health officials also reported three additional deaths Thursday.

Wow, an “exponential spike” in cases? Truly grim. Unless of course you look at the real numbers: Los Angeles County makes the data on daily new cases and deaths available on its website, so it’s not hard to find even though it does not include the cities of Long Beach or Pasadena which have to be accounted for separately. The media breathlessly reports “a thousand new COVID per day for four straight days,” so maybe an eagle-eyed Patterico’s Pontifications reader can find that data in the following official numbers of new cases and deaths as reported by the county since the beginning of the month:

LA County July

So not only do I fail to see more than two days in which new cases exceeded the 1,000 threshold, I see only one period in which the four-day county average reaches 1,000, but just barely, and never a five-day or seven-day period at that level. Again, my data comes from what is released on the websites of Los Angeles County, the City of Pasadena, and the City of Long Beach. All of these numbers are subject to being updated and Long Beach has a lag in their reporting, so there is nothing on the Long Beach dashboard since last Friday. But the Long Beach dashboard does have a “Cases” option and if you look at that convoluted data displayed as cases per 100,000 residents you can extrapolate estimates for July 12 and 13 by multiplying the numbers by 4.62 (the latest Census estimate is that Long Beach has 462,000 residents), which I have done. If there truly were 1,500 cases reported Thursday, in plenty of time to be released to news outlets in time for a mid-afternoon article, why isn’t that data up on their website yet?

So what’s the deal here? Does Los Angeles County keep a second set of data, one that only they have access to and which is only slowly made available after LA County Health has utilized it for media purposes? And does that data consistently show 20-30% higher rates of new COVID cases than what they let us plebs see? Or are they just lying to us, like back in the fall when county officials claimed that their data showed that outdoor dining was causing the spike in new infections, yet tellingly refused to make the same assertion when called before a judge to explain the arbitrariness of their edicts while under oath.

UPDATE:
Yes, another pre-publication update as the County has released their daily data in the late afternoon which includes partial data from yesterday. I want to show you a side-by-side comparison of what I downloaded at 3:11 pm today versus what I downloaded from the very same location at 5:31 pm. See if you can spot the differences:

Adjusted LA County data

Those are some pretty significant updates. I get that data from yesterday, Tuesday, Monday, Sunday, even into the latter part of last week has changed, but you’re going to tell me that data that is now 18 days old is still being updated, even if ever-so slightly (no further changes have been made to data prior to June 26)? And again, the county is informing the media that there were 1,500 new cases reported today. How long is it going to take to see that figure reflected that in the official data? It is discrepancies and continual revisions like this that have caused an awful lot of us to lose any respect for this wretched bureaucracy and its feckless leader. For those of you who live in other parts of the country, are your local health boards this haphazard in terms of releasing accurate data in a timely manner?

I’ll get to my main point and then wrap this post up: At 11:59 pm on Saturday, all Los Angeles County residents will be required to don masks once inside of any building, irrespective of our own personal vaccination status and irrespective of what percentage of the people in our community are fully vaccinated. I find this to be utterly stupid. I’ve been a good citizen and have played along with their capricious mandates thus far, but I will not be voluntarily masking up indoors for the remainder of the summer. If a business proprietor asks me to wear my mask in his or her establishment I will comply because that is their prerogative, but I will not voluntarily accede to an arbitrary and ridiculous edict from a domineering and dysfunctional group of anti-science apparatchiks who have so badly bungled all of their other attempts to enforce their mindless mandates. Here endeth the rant.

– JVW

67 Responses to “Los Angeles County to Reimpose Mask Mandates [Updated]”

  1. And I’m sorry, but the whole “exponential” growth thing bothers me, mostly because we are dealing in actual numbers here and because the County bureaucracy is run entirely by disciples of “the Party of Science.” You can sort of make a half-hearted argument that the County reached a low of 105 reported new cases back on May 31 (Memorial Day, so perhaps the numbers are artificially low because of the holiday) so a day with 1000 new cases represents a growth of a factor of 10. The week surrounding Memorial Day had a seven-day average of about 150 new cases per day which appears to be the low since the pandemic began, but if there truly is exponential growth then I would expect to see a seven-day average of 1500 new COVID cases per day, not just one day of anecdotal evidence provided by Barbara Ferrer and not yet supported by the data they are willing to share with us.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  2. Re: my reluctance to mask up indoors. I am fully vaccinated, have been for two months now, and I live in a part of Los Angeles where within a 5 mile radius of my home (where I spend probably 95% of my time) the communities are on average 80% fully vaccinated. I’m receiving text messages and social media posts from friends, and I think a lot of us are going to tell the county to go get bent. If they start sending health officers around to harass and fine businesses, I think there might be trouble.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  3. My personal feeling: No mask mandate and announce that free Covid shots will end 7/31. After that $150 each.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  4. My personal feeling: No mask mandate and announce that free Covid shots will end 7/31. After that $150 each.

    Do you think there are people who intend to be vaccinated but “just haven’t gotten around to it yet”? It could be, but at this point I think the vast majority of them (at least 80%) either are fantastically lazy and don’t care at all about being vaccinated or else they have some sort of opposition to it. I don’t think making them pay will have any effect on the rates, nor do I really think plans to go door-to-door in neighborhoods with low vaccination rates is a great idea (and I find it creepy).

    JVW (ee64e4)

  5. > I will not be voluntarily masking up indoors for the remainder of the summer.

    on the other hand, i haven’t stopped voluntarily masking up indoors (except in my house and the homes of friends i know to have safe habits), and wasn’t planning to *any time this year*.

    aphrael (4c4719)

  6. I’ve wondered about this question, too. I’ve noticed revsions to weeks-old numbers in the Bay Area too, and wondered if we’re weird, and why.

    Family in Ohio has said they’ve also seen lagging updates, not quite as bad as here. I’ve tried searching Twitter for people complaining about it, but that’s surprisingly difficult to distinguish from all the other C19-related complaining.

    It is easy to imagine various institutions reporting data chronically late, or making stupid mistakes later corrected or whatever, but I do agree – and explanation from the source, or at least some indication when the data are known-incomplete, go a long way here.

    John (cd2753)

  7. I bet well over 90% of the people contracting Covid in L.A. County are unvaccinated, and virtually 100% of the hospitalized are unvaccinated. If that is the case, why do the vaccinated have to wear masks to protect the idiots?

    My buddy in Alhambra has asked me several times to come and visit. I told him I would when the restrictions were lifted. He recently informed me that the restrictions are gone. Guess they’re back on. There goes any possible trip I may have made to L.A., and the money I would have contributed to the L.A. economy.

    norcal (25df9b)

  8. I bet well over 90% of the people contracting Covid in L.A. County are unvaccinated.

    If you can believe the LA County Health Department — and of course I just wrote an entire post suggesting that you cannot — the number is actually 99%.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  9. And my refusal to mask has a lot to do with what we have been told masking is all about. In the early days of the pandemic we were told that we were masking up to protect ourselves. Then, at some point, it became really cool to suggest that we were masking up to protect others. Then, when I think people started calling bullshit on that dopey idea we went back to deciding we were masking up to protect ourselves. Now, those of us who are vaccinated are being told — or at least it is being heavily implied — that we need to mask up to protect others. If the — ahem, ahem — “experts” can’t figure it out then I’m not about to take anything they say particularly seriously.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  10. L.A. has a hammer, JVW, and you look like a nail.

    norcal (25df9b)

  11. Too much mixed messaging. The luster is off The Fauci.

    Don’t overthink it. No problem w/masking. Been wearing one since Feb., 2020, and will until they put out the pill. Some of this is just common sense and matter of habit. Wear a mask, wash your hands, wipe down objects you bring into your home.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  12. Almost no vaccinated people get Covid to any degree that they bother to test. The mRNA vaccine seems to protect against quite a wide variation.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  13. “seems to”
    lmao

    mg (8cbc69)

  14. While the rash of positives threw into flux the immediate future of a Yankees team still trying to determine how it will approach the July 30 trade deadline, Judge’s inclusion rippled across the league, with players who participated in Tuesday’s All-Star Game flying across the country to play a full slate of games Friday. Red Sox third baseman Rafael Devers told ESPN’s Marly Rivera that the team’s five All-Stars would undergo further testing on Thursday. Unvaccinated All-Stars were tested for COVID-19 while in Denver for the game, and all of the tests came back negative, sources said.
    …….

    Among the six Yankees players currently with positive tests, the majority had received a COVID-19 vaccine and were asymptomatic, according to Cashman. Loaisiga went on the COVID-19 injured list Saturday, when the Yankees were in Houston, and did not travel home with the team Sunday.

    https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/31823940/boston-red-sox-new-york-yankees-eighth-game-postponed-season-due-covid-19%3f

    Funny what happens when you test the vaccinated.

    Maybe LA will post how many of the skyrocketing “cases” are asymptomatic?

    BuDuh (7bca93)

  15. At 11:59 pm on Saturday, all Los Angeles County residents will be required to don masks once inside of any building, irrespective of our own personal vaccination status and irrespective of what percentage of the people in our community are fully vaccinated.

    And – extremely important – irrespective of the ventilation, and of the number of people inside.

    , but the whole “exponential” growth thing bothers me

    I think they’re confusing – or Paige
    Paige Austin of the Patch Staff is – an exponential growth in the number of cases of the “Delta” variant with the number of cases of all variants put together.

    Perhaps they are looking at the Delta variant alone, and think that without the Delta variant, there’d be only the number of cases of other variants. They are not sequencing every case, but they are enough to get an idea of the relative percentages.

    In the UK the Delta variant has just about completely displaced the earlier what’s now called the Alpha variant, which in turn earlier displaced the original variant.

    Delta is doubling – as a percentage of cases – about oncwe every two or three weeks.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  16. They’re stupid, but they don’t know what else to do so they go back to the well.

    Thwy’re stupid with regard to everything, crime, railroads etcamc

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  17. DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 7/15/2021 @ 10:23 pm

    wash your hands, wipe down objects you bring into your home.

    Wrong disease.

    Th idea of washing has almost been completely retracted.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  18. Slavery is freedom comrade.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  19. The whole anti-masking movement is a false flag operation by the Rothschilds because masks defeat their facial recognition cameras and consequently their space laser and mind control ray targeting. Don’t step in their trap, comrades! Wear your masks!

    nk (9651fb)

  20. wash your hands, wipe down objects you bring into your home.

    The wiping of surfaces is also a useless exercise. Unfortunately, absent mandatory vaccinations, we will be wearing masks until_______. (Pick a date.)

    Rip Murdock (0aa613)

  21. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_misinformation

    Surface and fomite transmission

    Early in the pandemic it was claimed that COVID-19 could be spread by contact with contaminated surfaces or fomites—even though this is an uncommon transmission route for other respiratory viruses. This led to recommendations that high-contact surfaces (like playground equipment or school desks) be frequently deep-cleaned and that certain items (like groceries or mailed packages) be disinfected.[233] Ultimately, the US CDC concluded that the likelihood of transmission under these scenarios was less than 1 in 10,000.[234] They further concluded that handwashing reduced the risk of exposure to COVID-19, but surface disinfection did not.[234]

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  22. Because to go from surfaces to infection, you needed two stages – your hands, say, and then your mouth, but starting from your hands you needed only one transfer.

    One chance in 10,000 may be an overestimate. It’s a maximum.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  23. I have not “masked up” unless it was required by the business owner (or my employer, which has always required wearing a mask indoors, (even at my desk, which I’ve ignored)). Most of the staff has been teleworking, so it’s safe for those of us that have vaccinated and in the office. Even at the height of the pandemic, I refused to wear one outdoors, especially when I was alone or just with my girlfriend.

    Rip Murdock (0aa613)

  24. This is liberal left-wing overreach by LA County. Any adult who wanted a vaccine should have gotten one by now, and the unvaccinated are responsible for their own bad decisions.

    Paul Montagu (5de684)

  25. Rip Murdock (0aa613) — 7/16/2021 @ 8:43 am

    This is probably true but it has nothing to do with the science around the virus. The target should be herd immunity and that can be met with a combination of vaccinations and people who have recovered.

    Using mask mandates as leverage to drive mandatory vaccinations might not end like you think.

    frosty (f27e97)

  26. lmao

    “Laugha while you can, monkey boy!”

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  27. absent mandatory vaccinations

    That would be unconstitutional. But there could be a tax for not getting vaccinated, or so Roberts says.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  28. wash your hands, wipe down objects you bring into your home.

    I hear you can get it from toilet seats.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  29. The whole anti-masking movement is a false flag operation by the Rothschilds because masks defeat their facial recognition cameras and consequently their space laser and mind control ray targeting. Don’t step in their trap, comrades! Wear your masks!

    Woah! Mind blown. This goes deeper than I had suspected.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  30. 19. 29. This is too imaginative (and in some respects even too plausible – maks to defeat facial recognition software) for a real live conspiracy theory

    Most conspiracy theories are a form of plagiarism.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  31. Sammy, nk brought in the Rothschilds, so you know that it has to be true. I’m pretty sure the Illuminati and the Freemasons have some role in this too. Don’t the Illuminati wear masks at their secret meetings too?

    JVW (ee64e4)

  32. OT: China is complaining that the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan deooes not attemot to ensure a smooth transition (and outs Chinese in Afghanistan in danger)

    If they don’t like what is happening in Afghanistan they could use their influence with the Pakistani government to get it to stop supporting the Taliban and al Qaeda and its imitators.

    2. News item: Haitian plotters claimed U.S. government support.

    Just think how much more effective that would have been had they been able to show off a genuine Hunter Biden painting. But something like that can’t happen for another six months.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  33. Reconsider travel to Nevada, Florida, other states with COVID surge, L.A. County health officer says
    ………
    “I do want to recommend — especially if you’re unvaccinated — reconsider traveling to places where the seven-day COVID-19 case rates are increasingly high, like Nevada, our neighbor, or Missouri, Florida, Arkansas and Louisiana and others,” Dr. Muntu Davis said in his briefing to the county Board of Supervisors this week.

    Arkansas, Missouri, Florida, Nevada and Louisiana have the nation’s highest levels of new coronavirus cases per capita, with weekly rates roughly four to seven times California’s. …….
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (0aa613)

  34. @28. That’s the straight poop, eh. Or maybe just a ‘shot in the dark.’

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  35. Dr. Gottlieb has been right about a lot of things, including the LA County mask mandate.

    Paul Montagu (5de684)

  36. @17. Nonsense, Sammy. Use some common sense.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  37. 3.My personal feeling: No mask mandate and announce that free Covid shots will end 7/31. After that $150 each.

    My “personal feeling”- 4th,5th,6th booster shots to come as Big Pharma scams Americans once again for $.

    Your leggy, busty, mini-skirted local evening news weathergirl has a better track record than Fauci.

    Wear a mask, wash your hands— wait for the pill.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  38. JVW (ee64e4) — 7/16/2021 @ 9:59 am

    This is Illuminati disinformation. They put that out so that if you run across one they can say “see, no masks, this is just a normal meeting”.

    frosty (0bede6)

  39. Hypothetical-

    By late August a new COVID variant has exploded across California, hospitals are overflowing, and deaths are in thousands daily. Newsom refuses to impose any shutdowns or other restrictions despite CDC recommendations because doing so would jeopardize winning the recall.

    Does any Republican recall candidate make the opposite argument?

    Rip Murdock (0aa613)

  40. @33 california already has those states on a black list

    https://www.npr.org/2021/06/29/1011253354/california-bans-state-travel-to-florida-and-4-other-states-lgbtq

    California added five more states, including Florida, to the list of places where state-funded travel is banned because of laws that discriminate against members of the LGBTQ community, the state attorney general announced Monday.

    Democratic Attorney General Rob Bonta added Florida, Arkansas, Montana, North Dakota and West Virginia to the list that now has 17 states where state employee travel is forbidden except under limited circumstances.

    travel to mexico (vaccination rate 16%) and china where the virus originated is probably fast tracked

    JF (e1156d)

  41. DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 7/16/2021 @ 11:06 am

    @17. Nonsense, Sammy. Use some common sense.

    Therea are some pathogens tht=at are transmitted through the intestines and some that are not. The wariness of dirty surfaces is for the latter.

    Buut it might be a good thing, in most cases, where you don’t have cholera pr just plain stomach things going around, for cchildren to eat occasionally off the floor. It stabilizes the immune system and prevents it from getting erratic because it wss exposed to too limited a variety of microrganisms

    If there is a problem with surfaces, you have to worry about (and wash and rinse) otherwise healthy fruit.

    Sletzer or soda can neutralize the bacteria. The bubbles of carbon dioxide destroy them. Coca cola in Latin America, for instance.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  42. JF 40.

    33 california already has those states on a black list

    No, that was only for state government funded travel. This is for everyone, and is voluntary.

    The motivation for the first one was religious.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  43. 38. Srosty (0bede6) — 7/16/2021 @ 11:16 am

    . They put that out so that if you run across one they can say “see, no masks, this is just a normal meeting”.

    I’ve seen women in Islamic dress covering everything but the mouth and nose.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  44. 37 DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 7/16/2021 @ 11:11 am

    . 4th,5th,6th booster shots to come as Big Pharma scams Americans once again for $.

    Maybe not quite likew that, but Big Pharma is way ahead of the FDA – they know far more than what the FDA pretends not too know. If the FDA wants to act stupid like they know nothing except what cimpanies have paid to prove, the pharmaceutical companies will take advantage of that – all the way from the beginnnning ewhen they decide what to run a trial for.

    Onr thing they do is select the expiration date they will ask for in such a way so as to maximize waste after payment but minimize what they have to throw out before getting paid. The expiration date on most medicines has nothing to do with how long you really can use it.

    And everybody is treating that as real!

    That includes the Covid vaccines.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  45. 20. Rip Murdock (0aa613) — 7/16/2021 @ 8:43 am

    The wiping of surfaces is also a useless exercise. Unfortunately, absent mandatory vaccinations, we will be wearing masks until_______. (Pick a date.)

    35. Paul Montagu (5de684) — 7/16/2021 @ 11:04 am

    Dr. Gottlieb has been right about a lot of things, including the LA County mask mandate.

    But he says we’re going to use masks, from time to time, for a very very long time – to stop the spread of flu.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcript-scott-gottlieb-face-the-nation-07-04-2021

    DR.GOTTLIEB: I think the use of masks is going to become more normalized. I think people are going to use them on a voluntary basis and certainly people are at higher risk from COVID, bad COVID outcomes or from influenza.

    But I think going to work with the sniffles is going to be frowned upon. I think businesses are going to have access to routine testing. I think there might be symptom checks within certain settings. If you have a congregate setting where a lot of people are getting together they might check symptoms. Feverguns might become more routine, even though they’re not that helpful. I think you’re going to see a veneer of safety superimposed upon normal life. That doesn’t mean that there’s going to be mask mandates reimposed. I’m not sure that’s necessarily what we should be doing right now, given the substantially reduced overall death and disease we’re seeing from coronavirus, which is likely to continue as long as this virus doesn’t mutate in an untoward way.

    But I do think we’re going to need to be more vigilant about the spread of respiratory pathogens. I mean, think back. It was always looked upon as being something that was somewhat brave if you toughed out a cold. That’s going to be really frowned upon now. You don’t want to be in a social setting where you don’t feel well. You’re going to be asked to stay home. So things are going to be different. I think we’re going to deal differently with the risk of respiratory diseases in the wintertime.

    Dr. Scott Gottlieb, with 68 appearances on Face the Nation as of July 4, 2021, has now beaten the number of times Bob Dole and Joe Biden have been on Face the Nation, but he has still got a ways to go to catch John McCain. But he’s on almost every week.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  46. So I think societally we’re just going to have a different etiquette around the risk of respiratory pathogens. We can’t afford the morbidity and mortality from flu and coronavirus being twin viruses that circulate at very high levels. Again, we were too complacent about the flu. We let it infect and kill far too many people. I think we’re going to have to think differently.

    That also means improving air quality in workplaces. We’re going to be looking at things like air flow and filtration in the same way we greened buildings. I think we’re going to make buildings more healthy as well.

    More healthy – and less “green” or energy efficient.

    I wonder when it will hit Joe Biden and others that the two goals are somewhat in conflict.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  47. UPDATE

    It makes my day when the esteemed David Burge (“Iowahawk) agrees with me:

    just spitballing here, but perhaps we wouldn't have so much rampant COVID kookery had our benevolent credentialed minders not burned their own credibility on a pyre of mutually contradictory Calvinball guidelines and pulled-from-the-ass pseudoscience.— David Burge (@iowahawkblog) July 16, 2021

    JVW (ee64e4)

  48. @42 it was a joke

    JF (e1156d)

  49. 49. The problem is you had public health officials justifying every twist and turn instead of giving their honest opinion. They were salesmen..

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  50. The problem is you had public health officials justifying every twist and turn instead of giving their honest opinion. They were salesmen..

    Agreed. They thought they could double as public relations people and they were in way over their heads in that realm. Fauci is probably the worst of them, though Barbara Farrar in Los Angeles is a close second.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  51. The problem is you had public health officials justifying every twist and turn instead of giving their honest opinion. They were salesmen.

    More like weathermen: “Cloudy w/a 50% chance of Covid today in New York; 40% chance in LA… foggy in Wilmington-or is it Scranton this week… but ‘it’s always sunny in Philadelphia.'”

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  52. ooops…

    ‘Pfizer COVID vaccine significantly less effective against Delta variant’

    The effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine against the Delta variant is “weaker” than health officials hoped, Prime Minister Naftali Bennett said Friday, as 855 people tested positive for coronavirus and more countries were listed as places of high infection.

    “We do not know exactly to what degree the vaccine helps, but it is significantly less,” Bennett said.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  53. (LA County) Sheriff Villanueva won’t enforce county’s new mask order, claims ‘not backed by science’
    …….
    “Forcing the vaccinated and those who already contracted COVID-19 to wear masks indoors is not backed by science and contradicts the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) guidelines,” (Sheriff Alex) Villanueva said.

    He added that sheriff’s deputies “will not expend our limited resources” to enforce the order and instead the department is asking for voluntary compliance.
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (0aa613)

  54. Just in time for the recall election.

    asset (e99569)

  55. As far as the LA.County mask mandate, it won’t have any impact on the recall. LAC is too Democratic.

    Rip Murdock (0aa613)

  56. But he says we’re going to use masks, from time to time, for a very very long time – to stop the spread of flu.

    He did, but he expressly said that use should be voluntary, so it doesn’t contradict his comment about LA County.

    Paul Montagu (5de684)

  57. “LAC is too Democratic”
    That is one of those words that has evolved to have opposing definitions

    steveg (ebe7c1)

  58. Too Democratical.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  59. LAC is too Democratic dim

    FIFY

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  60. Just in time for the recall election.

    I suspect they will use this to trigger mailing out absentee ballots to everyone in L.A. County, making the liberal county’s vote much heavier. It’s shameful, but they’ll do it. Don’t believe what you read about how this election is a sure thing for Newsome.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  61. Given the newest mask-mandate, it appears LAC is chock-full of anti-vaxxers.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  62. All in prep for sending out mass-quantities of absentee/vote-by-mail ballots for the recall election.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  63. African Americans and Hispanic vax rates are around 50% but LA County total vax rate is almost at 70%. People who live near the beaches north and south of Venice should ignore the mask regulations… not due to racism or profiling, but due to the science

    steveg (ebe7c1)

  64. The LA County sheriff says that he will not enforce the mask mandate. “It’s not science-based.”

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/los-angeles-county-sheriff-mask-mandate-covid/

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  65. As far as the LA.County mask mandate, it won’t have any impact on the recall. LAC is too Democratic.

    If they use it to send out absentee ballots to liberal counties only, it certainly will.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  66. Well, most crooks keep more than one set of books

    steveg (ebe7c1)

  67. New York Mayor Bill DeBlasio says he will not impose (can he?) a mask mandate again.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)


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