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7/9/2021

HHS To Americans: Hey, If We Come Knocking, Just Don’t Answer The Door

Filed under: General — Dana @ 8:13 am



[guest post by Dana]

Yesterday, President Biden spoke about the need to reach more Americans for the Covid vaccine:

In a speech at the White House on Tuesday, Biden gave an update on the state of the U.S. vaccination program and ongoing efforts to reach parts of the country where skepticism of the vaccine still runs high.

“Now, we need to go community by community, neighborhood by neighborhood, and oftentimes, door to door — literally knocking on doors — to get help to the remaining people protected from the virus,” Biden said.

White House press secretary Jen Psaki also detailed the components of the administration’s vaccine campaign at her briefing on Tuesday, including “targeted, community-by-community, door-to-door outreach to get remaining Americans vaccinated.”

Health and Human Services Secretary Xavier Becerra echoed the President’s claim, and then went a step further:

“Perhaps we should point out that the federal government has spent trillions of dollars to try to keep Americans alive during this pandemic,” he told CNN in an interview.

“So it is absolutely the government’s business,” Becerra said. “It is taxpayers’ business, if we have to continue to spend money to try to keep people from contracting Covid and helping reopen the economy.”

The secretary also noted that “knocking on a door has never been against the law” and that Americans “don’t have to answer. But we hope you do.”

If the federal government wants to rile up Americans, just tell them that something is “their business”. Espcially someone like Xavier Becerra, as Californians here know. As you can imagine, the administration’s knock, knock comments raised the ire of Republicans:

And this:

Some Texas Republicans are pushing back against President Joe Biden’s push for greater outreach to get more Americans to receive COVID-19 shots, as vaccination drives in states like Texas have stagnated.

“Not on my watch!” Attorney General Ken Paxton tweeted in response to the president’s comments on Tuesday that “we need to go community-by-community, neighborhood-by-neighborhood, and oft times door-to-door, literally knocking on doors.”

U.S. Rep. Chip Roy, a San Antonio Republican, on Wednesday directed a tweet at Biden with a play on the “Come and Take It” flag that shows an image of a syringe with the words “Come Inject It.” In a separate tweet, the congressman said he thought a door-to-door push would be unconstitutional, as such an approach was “only really contemplated in Constitution for the census.”

Late yesterday, Becerra pushed back against Republicans, saying that they were taking his comments out of context:

Some comments I made today are being taken wildly out of context. To be clear: government has no database tracking who is vaccinated. We’re encouraging people to step up to protect themselves, others by getting vaccinated. It’s the best way to save lives and end this pandemic.

White House COVID-19 response coordinator Jeff Zients also pushed back on the purported mischaracterization of the door-to-door statement:

[He] warned against efforts to mischaracterize the door-to-door outreach, which is being conducted on a local level by doctors, faith leaders and other trusted community messengers in partnership with the administration.

“We’ve seen movement by going person by person, community by community in states where neighbors have contacted neighbors. This is important work that’s leading to more vaccinations and it’s done by people who care about the health of their family, friends and neighbors,” Zients said.

“So I would say for those individuals or organizations that are feeding misinformation and trying to mischaracterize this type of trusted messenger work, I believe you are doing a disservice to the country and to the doctors, the faith leaders, the community leaders and others who are working to get people vaccinated, save lives and help end this pandemic.”

Meanwhile, the about 67 percent of Americans 18 and older have gotten at least one dose of a vaccine and almost 60 percent are fully vaccinated.

Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health reminded us what it would take to reach herd immunity levels:

What we know about coronavirus so far suggests that, if we were really to go back to a pre-pandemic lifestyle, we would need at least 70% of the population to be immune to keep the rate of infection down (“achieve herd immunity”) without restrictions on activities. But this level depends on many factors, including the infectiousness of the virus (variants can evolve that are more infectious) and how people interact with each other.

For example, when the population reduces their level of interaction (through distancing, wearing masks, etc.), infection rates slow down. But as society opens up more broadly and the virus mutates to become more contagious, infection rates will go up again. Since we are not currently at a level of protection that can allow life to return to normal without seeing another spike in cases and deaths, it is now a race between infection and injection.

Anyway, GET VACCINATED ALREADY so we can be done with this.

–Dana

113 Responses to “HHS To Americans: Hey, If We Come Knocking, Just Don’t Answer The Door”

  1. Good morning.

    Dana (fd537d)

  2. And it seems like only yesterday that we rid ourselves of the census takers.

    Welcome back, Dana!

    nk (1d9030)

  3. If they’re for in I’m against it. Bunch of complete morons who 6 months ago stood silent when Trump’s CDC issued a ban on evictions. Every one of these grifters needs a job in the private sector.

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  4. They can’t afford to send people to do a full count Census, but they can afford this?

    We’ll answer the door so we can tell them to go F___ themselves (and everyone here is already vaccinated).

    Strick (2db8d1)

  5. The Nnew York Post had an editorial today that said that while the Delta variant was more infectitious, it was less dangerous because the hospitaization rate went down. I don;t think you can tell without more information. One problem is, of course, infections get reported but not the seriousness of the infection.

    Another complication is that maybe treatment, on average, has gotten better. Maybe more people are getting antibody infusions (that work)

    But I could see it possible that maybe there are more mild infections so perhaps also more people have some amount of immunity, either from a vaccine or from mild, unrecorded infections, probably by an earlier version of the virus. The Delta variant could be more dangerous, all other things being equal, except that all other things are not equal.

    Pfizer and Moderna are working to get approval for another vaccine more specifically geared toward Delta, possibly for use as a booster (which may not be needed by anyone who got two shots of an mRNA vaccine or an infection plus one shot.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  6. 4. Strick (2db8d1) — 7/9/2021 @ 8:49 am

    They can’t afford to send people to do a full count Census,

    They did. I think they even maybe overcounted. We kept being sent back to the ame places where nobody had answered and repeated Notice of Visit notifications had been left. And many of these people said they had responded online. There were problems with addresses. They had addresses that nobody used.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  7. Government; “Hi, we have lifesaving medicine that will help keep a dangerous virus in check. It was created under the previous administration that you loved and was probably Trumps greatest accomplishment. It’s free and we’d really like to get everyone who safely can to take it.”

    GOP Leaders ; “FU COMMIEE!”

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  8. “You’re trespassing. Leave now or I’m calling the police.”

    Horatio (b306d4)

  9. I responded to the Census online the first time I was notified. I got about 20 notifications after that, by mail and email, all saying I needed to fill out my Census forms.

    Bah.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  10. @7: To be fair, if Trump had won re-election it would be “Progressives” who were avoiding the shot and CNN would be running daily segments about side-effects and bad results.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  11. about 67 percent of Americans 18 and older have gotten at least one dose of a vaccine and almost 60 percent are fully vaccinated.

    AND

    we would need at least 70% of the population to be immune to keep the rate of infection down

    Who’s to say we aren’t there? About 33 million Americans have contracted Covid and recovered (that we know of). That’s 10% known and probably another 10% with cases that were too mild to care about. Add those to the vaccines and it can kind of explain why cases aren’t exploding.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  12. Papers, please!

    Unless you are voting. Then come right on in, no ID needed!

    Democrats are so awesome.

    Hoi Polloi (ade50d)

  13. Who’s to say we aren’t there? About 33 million Americans have contracted Covid and recovered (that we know of). That’s 10% known and probably another 10% with cases that were too mild to care about. Add those to the vaccines and it can kind of explain why cases aren’t exploding.

    Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/9/2021 @ 9:17 am

    Funny – our doctor told us (all of my family contracted COVID) that we were good and really didn’t need a vaccine. But all the non-doctors around us, mostly Democrats or their media associates, are telling us to get a vaccine. Because science.

    The pandemic is over. Those who choose not to get vaccinated will have a higher risk of contracting a virus that kills a small percentage of those who have it.

    Time to move on.

    Hoi Polloi (ade50d)

  14. It seems that a pretty easy “no thank you” to the government for those vax-skeptic folks don’t want the vaccine, sucks the oxygen from the grifters(Tucker, Candice Owens, Charlie Kirk, etc). They gotta maintain some form of outrage to sustain it.

    HCI (92ea66)

  15. If this house is a-rockin’, don’t bother knockin’
    If this house is a-rockin’, don’t bother knockin’
    If this house is a-rockin’, don’t bother, walk on by…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  16. Put a sign by the mailbox-
    No Soliciting
    joe

    mg (8cbc69)

  17. Funny – our doctor told us (all of my family contracted COVID) that we were good and really didn’t need a vaccine. But all the non-doctors around us, mostly Democrats or their media associates, are telling us to get a vaccine. Because science.

    No, because the bureaucrats use vaccinations as their metric and box-ticking is impaired when you don’t follow their rules.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  18. Is Becerra the kind of person who likes to see his name in the news, is my question.

    nk (1d9030)

  19. When the census card came, I filled out mine in a few minutes on line — and registered a small protest, as I had in the previous census: When I came to the race question, I checked “other”, and then elaborated with “American”.

    It’s not original protest, but I hope it spreads. (If they had thought about it, Putin and Xi would hope it doesn’t.)

    Jim Miller (edcec1)

  20. FWIW, Trump was vaccinated after he caught COVID. I assume he had access to competent doctors while he was in the White House.

    Vaccines may help some with long COVID.

    Jim Miller (edcec1)

  21. @12, Hoi, i would believe they were motivated by some sort of limited government ideals except they never seemed to find those ideal important when there wasn’t some political hay to be made. Now it just looks like another lie for the grifters to use.

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  22. I oppose any further outreach for vaccinations, it’s not like they are hard to get. If those who don’t want vaccinations suffer the consequences of whatever will be latest variants, so be it. Just as long as they don’t clog up the hospitals if they get sick.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  23. They can’t afford to send people to do a full count Census, but they can afford this?

    We’ll answer the door so we can tell them to go F___ themselves (and everyone here is already vaccinated).

    A) you’re first assertion was wrong in both specificity and generally.

    B) Good on you for being vaccinated, and why exactly, would you want to tell people who are trying to give others the same help you received to F themselves?

    Oh, I know.
    A) as in hole
    B) to own the libs and stuff on the internet

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (d8b02d)

  24. It is a good idea. Since Covid a lot of people have more things delivered. So they are used to that and go out less. Why not this?

    Echo (89ce42)

  25. Well, it’s not just shots. President Biden ordered government lawyers and bureaucrats to issue forth and help businesses become more competitive — something government knows a lot about, and has all the forms they will need.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/09/business/biden-big-business-executive-order.html

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  26. Just as long as they don’t clog up the hospitals if they get sick.

    Not only will they do that, but for most of them the cost will be zero. But then we pay for COPD drugs for current smokers and sexual reassignment surgery for the unhappily confused.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  27. I assume he had access to competent doctors while he was in the White House.

    He also has access to competent lawyers. And yet…

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  28. There’s a pill for everything in America.

    Make one for this. This fella speaks for “the folks,” Joe:

    “Get-R-Done!” – Larry The Cable Guy

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  29. When Secretary of Health and Human Services Xavier Becerra tells us that “government has no database tracking who is vaccinated,” whom do you find more believable, Secretary Becerra or the Nigerian prince who just needs your help in claiming a few millions dollars, which he will share with you?

    The libertarian, but not Libertarian, Dana (78a597)

  30. The Commonwealth of Kentucky has a drawing, for up to a million bucks, for vaccinated citizens. Kroger, which has done some of the vaccinations, is also going to give a million to one of the people who was vaccinated through them.

    The obvious question is: how can they run these things if they haven’t kept records of whom was vaccinated?

    The libertarian, but not Libertarian, Dana (78a597)

  31. Dana is right, I don’t get it.

    They are not federal employees. They have no authority to do anything more than evangelical busybodies knocking on your door do.

    I am getting much closer to what a conservative viewpoint looks like on some things, though. I’m feeling less bad about not really caring about the unvaccinated suffering and dying.

    Their bodies, their choice, as many of them have taken to reminding us.

    john (cd2753)

  32. If some one chooses not to be vaccinated, its on them.
    The whole way down the line of toppled dominoes. Thats how viruses work, they topple down the line until they eventually reach the disconnect. With the death rate for COVID being so low well over 90% of the unvaccinated will get sick and develop antibodies naturally.
    So let it rip through the unvaccinated.

    steveg (ebe7c1)

  33. @32, it’s funny but I think most of the people who’ve been saying “my body my choice” decided to get the shot.

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  34. Given the news on Pfizer, just make a damn pill.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  35. @33, mutation is a bit of a concern there. Would be good to stamp it out so that we deny it that the chance to mutate into a version the current vaccine doesn’t handle.

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  36. Just as long as they don’t clog up the hospitals if they get sick.

    You could make the same arguments for smokers and drinkers and those who do any number of things that are legal but could end up putting themselves in the hospital, but don’t. Why not?

    Hoi Polloi (ade50d)

  37. Typhoid mary. You have no right to infect others.

    asset (3c6fee)

  38. Someone needs to knock on the door of that art gallery that has Hunter Biden’s works for up to $750K… more than some very well known established artists.
    Whats to keep Hunter from telling some Ukrainians or Chinese to buy the $750K art work and as soon as the money hits his pocket, the influence will flow.
    Its clear from Hunters laptop that while VP, Biden met with Hunter’s business associates or “marks” as they used to be called. The meetings were too coordinated and too often to be happenstance and Biden is lying about it now.

    So far the Biden Administration is looking a lot like what Trump was supposed to be, except Trump was less hamfisted and didn’t have an obsequious press corp

    steveg (ebe7c1)

  39. Anyway, GET VACCINATED ALREADY so we can be done with this.

    Is this the nicer version of “we can do it the easy way or the hard way”?

    This is one of the many cases when I think my feelings can best be expressed in song and maybe but I might be a little bit off. So, come on by. I understand this is the world we live it but I’ll refuse. I don’t want to be one of the beautiful people (this one needs a warning for anyone susceptible to bright flashing lights but I think this one is better than the official video).

    frosty (f27e97)

  40. This household has had the china flu. I’ll take my antibodies over the gubmint and its dose of b.s.

    mg (8cbc69)

  41. asset (3c6fee) — 7/9/2021 @ 1:37 pm

    Typhoid mary. You have no right to infect others.

    So, you’re thinking the vaccine doesn’t work?

    frosty (f27e97)

  42. Time123 (9f42ee) — 7/9/2021 @ 12:36 pm

    @32, it’s funny but I think most of the people who’ve been saying “my body my choice” decided to get the shot.

    Yea, it’s amazing how fast some of them went from hands-off-my-body to whatever-you-say-sir and then joined the team pressuring their friends to do the same. So much for pro-choice. It lasted longer than me-too but only because it got started earlier.

    BTW;

    “So it is absolutely the government’s business,” Becerra said. “It is taxpayers’ business, if we have to continue to spend money

    yea, maybe we talk about all the ways we can expand on that idea? Let’s see where that goes.

    But hey, we could always talk about stopping this whole spending money spree. No?

    frosty (f27e97)

  43. @42 they choosed to get shot. The government didn’t tell them they couldn’t get shot. Their choice not yours. For you fundos exodus 21:23-25.

    asset (3c6fee)

  44. Anyway, GET VACCINATED ALREADY so we can be done with this.

    Indeed.

    I Now Better Understand the ‘Good German’

    https://dennisprager.com/column/i-now-better-understand-the-good-german/

    BuDuh (7bca93)

  45. We are already well in excess of 70% of the population inoculated to the virus. Never in history have we ignored those who have already been infected and survived in our calculations of those who are part of herd immunity. To do so implies something at play other than the desire to keep infections manageable.

    NJRob (f2bd3b)

  46. Dana, as someone with a PhD in molecular genetics, and extensive experience in virology, I remain amazed at what people on both “sides” are saying.

    I really think that people would benefit from reading about the 1918 influenza pandemic. Some things do not change.

    And it saddens me to see so many people pick up this viral football and carry it clumsily down the field of their politics. From top to bottom.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  47. Yea, it’s amazing how fast some of them went from hands-off-my-body to whatever-you-say-sir and then joined the team pressuring their friends to do the same. So much for pro-choice. It lasted longer than me-too but only because it got started earlier

    The difference would be that a pro-choice advocate would state the abortion doesn’t impact anyone but the person getting the procedure and is therefore a private health issue while. vaccination for a contagious disease is a public health issue. A pro-life advocate would disagree. But missing that distinction on their part is either a dishonest representation of their argument or a fairly simple mistake.

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  48. Trump told you people to get the vaccine
    and you did
    orange man bad

    mg (8cbc69)

  49. As someone who witnessed first hand what happened when half a bunch of young, healthy guys got free government swine flu shots in 1975/76 and half didn’t — and the half that did get shot full of the stuff got sick as all hell from it, suggest caution when subjecting yourself to a quickie government vaccine shot for a virus that mutates virtually weekly. Wait for the pill.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  50. OT- Breaking: President Plagiarist to Social Security Commissioner Saul: “You’re fired.”

    ‘A new Supreme Court ruling could clear the way for President Joe Biden to fire the Donald Trump appointees running the Social Security Administration. Biden has resisted calls from prominent Democrats on Capitol Hill to fire Social Security Commissioner Andrew Saul, at least partly because federal law says the commissioner can only be fired for “neglect of duty or malfeasance in office.” -source, huffpo

    How Trumpian.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  51. Time123 (9f42ee) — 7/9/2021 @ 3:05 pm

    while you are correct in your characterization of what a pro-choice advocate would say about abortion affecting only the person obtaining the procedure, that advocate is absolutely wrong; At the minimum, two human beings are affected: The innocent child, and the mother. Further, the father is affected, as are all the members of the mother’s family. Everyone who cares for the welfare of the mother is also affected whether pro-choice or pro-life. This sounds like a community to me, does it sound like a community to you, yes? So, one person alone, affected? no.

    Also, since public money is used to support abortion facilities, that makes it a public health matter. There is a call for legislation to recognize abortion as “healthcare” no different from, say, contraception, mammograms, or any OBGYN service. So those who support such legislation already acknowledge abortion to be a public health matter. They would argue that there is no distinction. Anyone who argues for a distinction, they would say, is anti-science, and ignorant.

    felipe (484255)

  52. If some one chooses not to be vaccinated, its on them.

    That depends. If their irresponsibility only harms, or mostly harms, them, then fine. But we don’t lock up drunk drivers because they might harm themselves. If the danger the irresponsible person presents to others is sufficiently high, society has a right to defend itself.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  53. How Trumpian.

    No, Biden has better lawyers. Trump’s attorneys were like dominoes. One HI judge rules and they all fell over.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  54. suggest caution when subjecting yourself to a quickie government vaccine shot for a virus that mutates virtually weekly.

    Not the same thing. These shots were developed, in less than a moth, by dialing them in. The methods they have now are far batter than the crude weakened-virus-in-an-egg crap they were noodling around with 50 years ago. It’s like 8K video instead of 8-track.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  55. Health expert says there is ‘no doubt in my mind’ that VACCINATED Americans are helping spread the Indian ‘Delta’ variant as Los Angeles and New York City see cases surge by up to 165%

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9773047/amp/Health-expert-says-vaccinated-Americans-helping-spread-Indian-Delta-variant.html

    That’s weird.

    BuDuh (7bca93)

  56. DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 7/9/2021 @ 3:12 pm

    You are not wrong, sir, iatrogenesis is a thing.

    felipe (484255)

  57. Felipe, your argument breaks down if the premise that the fetus is a person is rejected. Not advancing that as an argument, but it’s part of the pro-choice argument. After that the community impact is not different then any other outpatient procedure.

    Your other argument, if extended implies that all medical care that gets funding from the government is of public concern at the individual level. I think that quickly reduces to the absurd and isn’t how current policy is structured.

    I still think the “my body my choice” gotcha is made either incorrectly or in bad faith

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  58. Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/9/2021 @ 3:57 pm

    You are right, but there are undeniable risks. How it shakes out is all in the reporting, and eventually, history.

    felipe (484255)

  59. Bah! I forgot to close the link.

    felipe (484255)

  60. Time123 (9f42ee) — 7/9/2021 @ 4:09 pm

    your argument breaks down if the premise that the fetus is a person is rejected.

    You are absolutely right about that. Rejection of the truth in Dredd Scott is a fine example. But I said “human being” not person. We are all human beings, having been so from our conception and continuing to our death. “Being” is a verb like running, but not implying legs, breathing, but not implying lungs, existing, but not implying birth.

    After that the community impact is not different then any other outpatient procedure.

    Yes, depending on the community. The reaction can be absolute indifferent, to absolute grief, or anywhere in between.

    all medical care that gets funding from the government is of public concern

    This is right! So why did you feel the need to add: “at the individual level?”

    Oh, right, so that you can then say” I think that quickly reduces to the absurd and isn’t how current policy is structured.”

    Reductio ad absurdom, sigh.

    felipe (484255)

  61. You could make the same arguments for smokers and drinkers and those who do any number of things that are legal but could end up putting themselves in the hospital, but don’t. Why not?

    If there was a cancer-vaccine that would prevent lung cancer and the smokers refused to get it, then yeah, it would be similar.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  62. Health expert says there is ‘no doubt in my mind’ that VACCINATED Americans are helping spread the Indian ‘Delta’ variant as Los Angeles and New York City see cases surge by up to 165%

    Basically a statement without evidence “no doubt in my mind”. And it is the Daily Mail. They should stick to harassing the Royals.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  63. That’s weird.

    No that’s denial. Like the smoker who is overjoyed that his lung cancer metastasized from his liver and wasn’t the result of smoking.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  64. Health expert

    Snicker.

    says there is ‘no doubt in my mind’ that VACCINATED Americans are helping spread the Indian ‘Delta’ variant

    Well, as long as there is no doubt in your mind. Now bring a Delta-positive test from a vaccinated person. Could you do that for us?

    nk (1d9030)

  65. nk (1d9030) — 7/9/2021 @ 4:46 pm

    Heh! You are nothing if not pragmatic, nk! Oh, but you are so much more…

    felipe (484255)

  66. Y’know what? We should not say “this room is full of human beings.”
    But rather, “this room is full of humans being.” I’m prolly not the first to think this. Attorneys General and what hot.

    felipe (484255)

  67. Pfizer is about to seek U.S. authorization for a third dose of its COVID-19 vaccine, saying Thursday that another shot within 12 months could dramatically boost immunity and maybe help ward off the latest worrisome coronavirus mutant.

    https://apnews.com/article/europe-coronavirus-pandemic-science-health-34c3f2536747a7c08980d7359a8de70c

    I hope to remember to check back months from now for the “Anyway, GET THE BOOSTER ALREADY so we can be done with this” topic.

    BuDuh (7bca93)

  68. BuDuh, I hear there is a plan to include one vaccine or another in with the seasonal flu-shot. That’ll catch a lot of stragglers off-guard!

    felipe (484255)

  69. Mr 123 wrote:

    The difference would be that a pro-choice advocate would state the abortion doesn’t impact anyone but the person getting the procedure and is therefore a private health issue while. vaccination for a contagious disease is a public health issue. A pro-life advocate would disagree.

    A pro-life advocate would note that an abortion does always fatal harm to a specifiable person, the unborn child. Those pushing mandatory vaccination are making the argument that an unvaccinated person may contract the virus, and may pass it on to an unspecified third party, who may become sick, and who may die.

    The libertarian, but not Libertarian, Dana (78a597)

  70. Now bring a Delta-positive test from a vaccinated person.

    Let me check…

    Although health officials have said evidence shows vaccinated people are unlikely to spread the virus to others, Dr. Peter Hotez, dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine, says it may be important to watch to make sure the more transmissible Delta variant does not evade the effects of vaccines.

    Current guidance from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says fully vaccinated people can refrain from routine testing.

    https://www.cnn.com/cnn/2021/07/07/health/covid-19-test-vaccinated-delta-wellness/index.html

    Snicker.

    BuDuh (f5dce5)

  71. BuDuh, I hear there is a plan to include one vaccine or another in with the seasonal flu-shot. That’ll catch a lot of stragglers off-guard!

    Great.

    BuDuh (f5dce5)

  72. 27.Exactly what we told the guys up-chucking in the showers from Jerry Ford’s pig-goo sticking.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  73. felipe (484255) — 7/9/2021 @ 5:00 pm

    Sorry for my imprecision: one Covid vaccine (say X)or another covid vaccine (say Y) in with the seasonal flu-shot (also a vaccine).

    But this crowd is smart enough to interpret my gobbledygook! Still..

    felipe (484255)

  74. ^@57.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  75. Felipe & Budah, feels like you get my point, but can’t acknowledge that pro-choice sees it differently then you do.

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  76. felipe wrote:

    BuDuh, I hear there is a plan to include one vaccine or another in with the seasonal flu-shot. That’ll catch a lot of stragglers off-guard!

    What a great way to convince people not to get flu shots!

    But, of course, you have to sign a consent to receive either an influenza or COVID vaccine, and if that consent form does not mention that the COVID vaccine is included, and the nurse administering the shot does not inform you, lawsuits abound and health care professionals lose their licenses.

    The libertarian, but not Libertarian, Dana (78a597)

  77. @55. IYO. Wait for the pill.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  78. One other problem: the flu vaccines are single shots, but you need a second COVID shot.

    The libertarian, but not Libertarian, Dana (78a597)

  79. I hear there is a plan to include one vaccine or another in with the seasonal flu-shot. That’ll catch a lot of stragglers off-guard!

    Howzabout in the water supply w/t fluoride; that’ll rattle conservatives down to their teeth.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  80. Felipe & Budah, feels like you get my point, but can’t acknowledge that pro-choice sees it differently then you do.

    I honestly have not followed what you were saying. I showed up too late to dig into it. What is the summary?

    BuDuh (f5dce5)

  81. @79. Or a third. Or fourth… Wait for the pill.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  82. Not all that confident in Fauci anymore. A bit of a show boater w/t prognostication skills of a TV weatherman. Willard Scott was a clown, too.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  83. Time123 (9f42ee) — 7/9/2021 @ 5:10 pm

    Oh no, I absolutely acknowledge that a pro-choice advocate sees it differently than a pro-life advocate does! I even stated that your characterization of the pro choice advocate was correct!

    If you mean to say that I do not agree with the pro-choice view, then you are correct! My convo with BuDuh is not a part of our convo.

    felipe (484255)

  84. The libertarian, but not Libertarian, Dana (78a597) — 7/9/2021 @ 5:13 pm

    Which seems to imply that the vaccine to be combined with the flu-shot will be the single J&J shot.

    felipe (484255)

  85. You are right about that consent form, other Dana! I’ll be very interested to read it before my next flu-shot.

    felipe (484255)

  86. da gubmint has no right to view my health records nor does it have the right to intimidate me into shooting up some unknown concoction.

    mg (8cbc69)

  87. DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 7/9/2021 @ 5:14 pm

    Hands-off my precious bodily fluids!

    felipe (484255)

  88. mg (8cbc69) — 7/9/2021 @ 5:33 pm

    oh, it will, mg, it will, just let’em think of a good enough “crisis” of which to make use.

    felipe (484255)

  89. OK, I’ve used up my commenting time. Thank you for putting up with me Time123, and everyone else.

    Olbadi oblada, life goes on…

    felipe (484255)

  90. The difference would be that a pro-choice advocate would state the abortion doesn’t impact anyone but the person getting the procedure

    Which seems to indicate they…
    a. lack the first clue
    b. are absent a soul
    c. should be steered away from ANYTHING that affects children
    d. all the above

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  91. but the person people getting the procedure

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  92. I hear there is a plan to include one vaccine or another in with the seasonal flu-shot.

    Put it in with the Ebola shot, then claim that there’s an Ebola outbreak. And charge for it.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  93. da gubmint has no right to view my health records nor does it have the right to intimidate me into shooting up some unknown concoction.

    No medicine shall be dispensed to anyone who does not understand it completely! There will be a test first.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  94. Wait for the pill.

    There is no vaccine in pill form. And, going forward, there won’t be any either. Only sissies fear shots.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  95. Health expert says there is ‘no doubt in my mind’ that VACCINATED Americans are helping spread the Indian ‘Delta’ variant as Los Angeles and New York City see cases surge by up to 165%

    I don’t know which is worse: to say this or to repeat it. This is like say that people are jumping out of airplanes and the ones with the parachutes are dying.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  96. People should not use available data to extrapolate conclusions.

    BuDuh (f5dce5)

  97. #47
    I did read about that.
    My great aunt survived the Spanish flu as a child. Her family took care of the farm next door in addition to taking care of their own. Feeding children, livestock, then heading down the road to put food on the porch of the neighbor and feed their livestock. Their neighbors did the same.
    The women tell the story of tying rope around their shoes for traction after a terrible ice storm to walk down the track to the neighbors and feed them and their animals.
    They never stopped working unless the flu itself made them unable.
    She passed away with COVID onboard well over 100.
    You should also read how the Continental Army dealt with small pox at the same time as Valley Forge

    steveg (ebe7c1)

  98. People should not use available data to extrapolate conclusions.

    Don’t confuse “data” with facts.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  99. #53
    Kevin
    At this point in CA the only person they could infect is another person who has chosen not to be vaccinated. Thats why I used dominoes. The domino at this point is an unvaccinated person

    steveg (ebe7c1)

  100. #67
    Sounds like Narcotics Anonymous

    steveg (ebe7c1)

  101. #88
    You people take the fun out of everything

    steveg (ebe7c1)

  102. OT: This is why I dislike both ethics laws and public campaign financing:

    In Albuquerque, there is a mayoral election. The incumbent is being challenged by the county sheriff on the basis of law & order vs Wokism. Both are Democrats. There is public financing of campaigns, based on a test of several thousand $5 donations from city residents.

    Both candidates apparently qualified for $650,000 each. But hold on, says the City Clerk (appointed by the incumbent mayor), there are 2 voters who have lodged ethics complaints, claiming their $5 donations were fraudulently acquired by the challenger. And the city clerk has duly ruled that these allegations prevent the challenger from getting any public funds.

    The sheriff can appeal, to another mayoral appointee, but the burden of proof is on him to show that the donations were NOT fraudulent. Good luck with that.

    This is as dirty as it gets, folks, and all done behind “ethics” laws.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  103. bra, lala how the life goes on
    night, felipe.

    mg (8cbc69)

  104. At this point in CA the only person they could infect is another person who has chosen not to be vaccinated.

    This is not true. Maybe one or two out of 100 have no immune response to the vaccines (transplant drugs, cancer drugs, anti-autoimmune drugs, AIDS, other conditions all degrade the immune system). Yes, these people are taking special precautions (or should be) but your blanket statement is false.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  105. Don’t confuse “data” with facts.

    Uh huh…

    BuDuh (f5dce5)

  106. @106 let me know if you figure that one out. I’m not following

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  107. Time123 (9f42ee) — 7/9/2021 @ 4:09 pm

    Not made in bad faith. Whether you think the fetus is a person yet it would become a person otherwise. Infant mortality is a thing but the US rates are very low. Prior to conception we’re dealing with pure speculation but after we’re dealing with natural processes that we’ve got good statistics for. No one has any idea what the cost is to society of removing that person much less that many. Society has an interest in the removal of 620,000, minus the 5700 predicted by the infant mortality rate, ppl in 2018. If the covid death count is accurate it didn’t beat out the 2018 abortion numbers.

    On the other hand, there are a variety of reasons to not choose the vaccine. There are a variety of medical conditions that recommend against it. People who have had the virus and recovered shouldn’t need it. But more to the point, not being vaccinated still results in a much lower chance of killing removing someone from society (that is such a ridiculous lie) than abortion. I haven’t looked up the stats but I’m guessing that pretty soon it will be a lower chance than drunk driving and smoking if it isn’t already. Smoking kills is estimated at 480k ppl and dui is estimated at 100k. Not getting vaccinated has a lot of work to do to catch up to that.

    So sure, let’s talk about the few people the vaccine doesn’t help and the chances those few ppl will be impacted by the unvaccinated and decide this door to door propaganda makes sense.

    At the end of the day getting an abortion results in one less person in the world. Not getting vaccinated doesn’t have those same odds.

    frosty (f27e97)

  108. I’m still struggling to see how abortion found its way into a vaccination thread…but here’s a thought:

    About 10-20% of women who know they are pregnant will miscarry. About 1/3 to 1/2 of all pregnancies end in miscarriage before a woman misses a menstrual period or even knows she is pregnant. One could certainly take from this that life is extremely fragile and delicate….and that conditions have to be extremely right….but from a religious perspective, if God really does believe that every single conception is uniquely valuable, then why does he allow half of them to be thrown out naturally? If we see God’s fingerprints through nature, then what is this telling us?

    AJ_Liberty (a4ff25)

  109. If the covid death count is accurate…

    About that:

    ALAMEDA COUNTY REVISES COVID-19 DEATH COUNT BY 25%

    SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) — Alameda County has revised its COVID-19 death count, saying it over-counted more than 400 cases.

    As of Friday, the Alameda County Health department had reported 1,634 COVID-19 deaths, but later that day it was revised down to 1,223.

    https://www.abc7news.com/amp/covid-death-count-alameda-county-deaths-19-cases/10755419/

    And:

    Santa Clara County’s Department of Public Health has redefined the way it counts COVID-19 deaths in the county, which has brought the total death toll down by 22 percent.

    https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/santa-clara-countys-covid-19-death-toll-drops-by-505-after-data-change/2585739/

    The ol’ “data” v facts imbroglio?

    BuDuh (f5dce5)

  110. AJ_Liberty (a4ff25) — 7/10/2021 @ 6:44 am

    You’re incorrectly applying the stats but that shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone.

    If we see God’s fingerprints through nature, then what is this telling us?

    I don’t know about “us”. What does it tell you?

    frosty (f27e97)

  111. #105

    There are, and will always be, people, .01-2% who run a huge risk of dying from some virus every year.
    Its not practical to ask the 98% to protect the 2% when compared to the practicality of asking the 2% and their families to handle their business accordingly, taking control over their own unique needs. Achieving 98% would be an amazing feat

    steveg (ebe7c1)

  112. AJ_Liberty (a4ff25) — 7/10/2021 @ 6:44 am

    It tells us that the temptation to blame G*D for our sorrow and suffering is strong. If you are an atheist, then that practice is stupid because man is responsible for man’s suffering. If you are a theist, then that practice is stupid, because man is responsible for man’s suffering.

    felipe (484255)


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