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7/2/2021

White House: They’re Trying to Sabotage Kamala Harris!

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 8:28 am



She’s a victim.

Top White House officials are mobilizing to defend Vice President Kamala Harris amid a gusher of leaks about dysfunction and infighting in her office.

Driving the news: White House Chief of Staff Ron Klain told Axios in a statement: “The President’s trust and confidence in her is obvious when you see them in the Oval Office together.” Biden senior adviser Cedric Richmond said in an interview late Thursday night: “It’s a whisper campaign designed to sabotage her.”

Maybe she’s just terrible.

Let’s check that hypothesis:

Yup. She’s terrible.

111 Responses to “White House: They’re Trying to Sabotage Kamala Harris!”

  1. She’s Vice President. Part of her job is to take the hits instead of the President.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  2. “It’s a whisper campaign designed to sabotage her.”

    “Doesn’t she look tired?”

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  3. I was watching the Stanley Cup Finals on NBC Sports the other night and I was amazed by a commercial they ran for NBC News. The commercial actually featured clips of Lester Holt giving relatively tough questions to President Biden (about Putin, if I recall correctly) and VP Harris (about the border situation, as shown in the clip from the post). You know things must be bad when the major networks decide they no longer need to fawn and can advertise the fact that they aggressively question a Democrat administration.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  4. Back a couple of years ago when I was doing my snarky “candidates as if they were students at your high school” routine, I think I kind of nailed it with ol’ Kamala (bold emphasis added):

    Kamala Harris – Rumored to have been secretly dating an administrator at the high school, which purportedly landed her positions as the head cheerleader and homecoming queen. Noticeably lacked enthusiasm for a cheerleader, and left the homecoming dance immediately after pictures were taken for the newspaper. Was always assumed to have a bright future ahead of her, even though her grades and test scores were only average.

    If I do say so myself.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  5. LOL, JVW.

    It’s this bias for folks like Harris that almost entirely fuels Trump’s fake news defense.

    But no one cares.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  6. if only we knew she was terrible before voting for her

    JF (e1156d)

  7. This would be a crisis or a “-gate” in a Republican administration. In this administration, it’s racist to believe these anonymous charges because POC, especially black women, are held to different, more stringent, standards.

    Hoi Polloi (15cfac)

  8. Generalissimo Francisco FrancoDonald Trump is still not President of the United States.

    Only Trump could have gotten people to elect Harris to within a heartbeat of the Presidency. Nobody else.

    nk (1d9030)

  9. only bush, mccain, romney and obama could’ve gotten people to elect trump

    JF (e1156d)

  10. NK, Had Biden/Harris run unopposed they would have lost.

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  11. Snorfle, Time123!

    nk (1d9030)

  12. You bought ’em; you own ’em.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  13. It almost makes one hope that there really is a cabal of Illuminati, Rothschilds, and Reptilians who secretly run things, doesn’t it?

    nk (1d9030)

  14. Here we have a nice thread complaining about how the least bad choice is still pretty bad and people have to try and turn the conversation back around to orange loser man.

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  15. Remember how all the leaks, personnel changes, and general “chaos” in the Trump administration were held up as proof of how inept and unqualified Trump was? My, how things change.

    Edoc118 (9fddab)

  16. “The President’s trust and confidence in her is obvious when you see them in the Oval Office together.”

    Like a nurse with her patient.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  17. I might have voted for Biden, but he picked Harris as VP.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  18. On a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being best, the 2 elections haven’t had a candidate rise over “3” (Pence).

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  19. were held up as proof of how inept and unqualified Trump was difficult this country is to govern.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  20. Whatever happened to personal responsibility for a vote?
    During the campaign Biden was a venal little low IQ puppet kept under a lid, and media blackout. Harris was well known and well disliked for myriad reasons. People made informed decisions to vote for Biden?Harris (typo left on purpose) and now have to live within the unprovable excuse that Trump would have been worse.

    Was Trump more corrupt? Hunters laptop says no. Hunters laptop has Joe the VP showing up in restaurants, hotel rooms on behalf of his sons business ventures. It has Joe flying with his son on AF2 to meetings internationally that were coordinated with Joe’s schedule so Joe the VP could pop in… Joe never communicated with his son about the meetings, yet somehow managed to get his senile butt to the right place at the right time when the right people were there like Chauncey the Gardener.

    Trump lies like a “loudmouth from Queens” which is totally unaccptable. Biden lies like its done in DC, so its acceptable

    steveg (ebe7c1)

  21. Well, it’s no mystery why Harris was on the ticket. It’s not because of her spotless qualifications, brains, demeanor, and demonstrated executive prowess. If she had any of that, she would have been more competitive for the top spot. Alas, she’s kind of abrasive too while not running an especially well-oiled office (hey note to Kamala, the buck does actually stop with you). Still, I’m not sure why, in this day and age, a politician needs to make a photo-op visit to the border to coordinate her policy….I empathize a bit with the eye roll. Yes, it’s how the game is played…..and it’s good to hear face-to-face from the people at ground zero….and see the reality versus the spin….but is it something a non-partisan will grimace about and worry about her competence. Look she’s a terrible pick by the Democrats…and further shows that they are terrible at stocking their stable of candidates…but a little chaos in the VP office is a different animal from chaos in the oval office. Biden doesn’t inspire great confidence…..but I’m not yet worried about him using the Constitution in the lavatory.

    AJ_Liberty (ec7f74)

  22. the only thing standing between harris and a fawning media excusing every mess she makes is a biden heartbeat

    JF (e1156d)

  23. Terrorist attack in Boston as rabbi is stabbed by islamic terrorist.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  24. SteveG, At least Biden cares somethign about America and our laws. That alone makes him a superior choice to Trump .

    New could focus on that an bring up all the crappy stuff trump did (China has COVID under control, I’ll extort Ukraine to fabricate dirt, election was stolen) or we could find common ground on Biden’s failures. In comparison to Trump Biden looks less bad. On an absolute scale we can all agree that he’s horrible. Why not focus on the fact that Harris apparently can’t even keep her own office aligned? Why try to turn it into a defense of former president Circus Peanut?

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  25. I know Washington politics can be cut throat even within parties. But it seems like a competent leader should be able to keep her team focused and enthused for at least the first 6 months. Especially since she hasn’t had any major failures to dodge.

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  26. Time123 (9f42ee) — 7/2/2021 @ 11:36 am

    Same question for you? Isn’t @10 your first comment in the thread and it’s basically a whatabout trump?

    frosty (f27e97)

  27. I’m impressed they could find a video that long that didn’t have her laughing. Oh wait, I watched it again.

    frosty (f27e97)

  28. Think back to her smug countenance and arrogant mini-speeches immediately after being seated in the Senate.

    Those of us who live – or lived – in California when she was a prosecutor and later our state’s AG remember what a clueless f*ck-up she was. Add the cackle… gosh, what a winner!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  29. At least Biden cares somethign about America and our laws.

    No. He’s cared for. =mike-drop=

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  30. Looks like AOC in 2024!

    asset (6247a1)

  31. 21.Well, it’s no mystery why Harris was on the ticket.

    He nixed half the population by insisting his ‘pick’ it would be a woman to begin with. And look at her staff. Like a Hollywood cattle call for extras on a remake of ‘Roots.’

    Nor it is a ‘mystery’ why he has announced his next pick for SCOTUS will be a black woman as well.
    Why? Why f/o black, white or brown men. “Say it ain’t so, Joe.”

    Given his age and in his case, the increasingly obvious decline that comes with it, the VP choice was all that more important, too. Revisit the party-play to get Truman on w/FDR in ’44.

    It is disturbing that amidst all the ‘crowing’ about life in a supposed post-racial world, a stale, uninspiring, pet-rock-SX-70-rotary-phone-era-plgiarizing-politician clings to the need to fill ancient racial quotas. Back door reparations, perhaps. But then, that’s the way the Corn Pops for President Plagiarist, doesn’t it. Yes, Kamala “be movin’ on up- to the East Wing- to a de-luxe office before he dies…”

    For as we know:

    “Well I tell you what, if you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black.” – Joe Biden

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  32. @26, was meant as more of a plague on both their houses….but yes, Trump was in it also.

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  33. @31 I’m not sure which population you’re thinking this half came from. He announced female poc (foc?) early on and the discussion was Harris or what’s her name from GA.

    frosty (f27e97)

  34. They should give her some more exposure. Perhaps a goodwill tour to Bagram Air Base.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  35. Trump lies like a “loudmouth from Queens” which is totally unaccptable.

    The problem, steve, is that some truly stupid people thought they could force Trump down America’s throat using the “but Biden….” argument. Instead, they could have chose any of a dozen alternative Republicans who would have whipped Biden’s ass.

    But no. Stop blaming everyone else..

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  36. Harris will not be the Democratic nominee in 2024, especially if she succeeds Biden mid-term.

    Rip Murdock (cbadfd)

  37. DCSCA has a pile of broken mikes, all dropped in error.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  38. Harris will not be the Democratic nominee in 2024, especially if she succeeds Biden mid-term.

    How? Even Reagan couldn’t stop Ford. Or are you arguing that she’s not crazy enough?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  39. She will be physically removed.

    Rip Murdock (cbadfd)

  40. Looks like AOC in 2024!

    She’ll only win if Trump runs.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  41. @37. Depends, Kevin. Ask Jill or Joe how they fit.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  42. Biden senior adviser Cedric Richmond said in an interview late Thursday night: “It’s a whisper campaign designed to sabotage her.”

    ROFLMAOPIP Hmmmm. And who do we know in the White House who likes to ‘whisper’?!?!

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  43. I get why she laughs. I also laugh when I hear her talking. She’s probably just hearing the words coming out of her mouth and watching the look on peoples faces.

    How did it go, we are going there, we went there, we definitely went there, I didn’t go there and I didn’t go to Europe either? I was waiting breathlessly for a list of other places she hasn’t been.

    It’s going to be a great time for America when she’s POTUS.

    frosty (f27e97)

  44. She makes Dan ‘Mr. Potato-“e”-head’ Quayle look like a towering intellect. And my God, like Pantssuit Queenie, he was in charge of America’s Space Council, too.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  45. It’s going to be a great time for America when she’s POTUS.

    Never happens.

    Rip Murdock (cbadfd)

  46. OT- ‘In a surprise announcement, Virgin Galactic founder Sir Richard Branson says he will fly to space on July 11, nine days before rival Blue Origin founder Jeff Bezos. Let the games begin.’ – forbes.com

    This will be a source of amusement to 93 year old Frank Borman, America’s oldest living astronaut, who knows a thing or two about ‘good days’ and ‘bad days’ and civilians broaching the realm of the test pilot.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  47. @45. Never happens.

    Whistling past the graveyard: given Squinty McStumblebum’s health hstory, mobility and cognitive issues, frailty and relentless decline– and w/three and half years to go- don’t bet against it.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  48. it is afternoon in America. Ya think sundown joe realizes the teleprompter is making fun of him?

    frosty (f27e97)

  49. @47-
    Kamala Harris will martyred, and AOC wins the nomination. How’s that for a prediction?

    Rip Murdock (cbadfd)

  50. The Peter Principle oozes from these two; one is incontinent; the other, incompetent.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  51. JF wrote:

    if only we knew she was terrible before voting for her

    Uhhh, we did know, and some of us didn’t vote for her.

    Our esteemed host hated President Trump that he once said he’d have to vote for the Democratic nominees, and then prepare for the [insert slang term for feces here] show that would result. Well, you guys got your wish, Joe Biden is President and Kamala Emhoff is Vice President, so complaints about just how bad they are ring rather hollow.

    President Trump may be an [insert slang term for the rectum here], but his policies were mostly good ones.

    The libertarian, but not Libertarian, Dana (78a597)

  52. Kamala Harris will martyred,

    Meh… tarred, feathered and run out of town on a johnson more likely…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  53. 52… gooder and harder for the shortsighted among us.

    It’s only fair…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  54. The Peter Principle oozes from these two; one is incontinent; the other, incompetent.

    I’m afraid you’ve misconstrued the “Peter Principle” Harris has always energetically clung to.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  55. Prediction…Adams (NY) – Brown (OH) v. Trump – Cruz (the big suckup)

    urbanleftbehind (2bdc73)

  56. Colonel Haiku wrote:

    Meh… tarred, feathered and run out of town on a johnson more likely…

    We should ne’er have rid
    Ourselves of the option to
    Use tar and feathers

    The libertarian, but not Libertarian, Dana (78a597)

  57. Prediction…Adams (NY) – Brown (wifebeater – OH) v. Trump – Cruz (the big suckup)

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)


  58. She makes Dan ‘Mr. Potato-“e”-head’ Quayle look like a towering intellect. And my God, like Pantssuit Queenie, he was in charge of America’s Space Council, too.

    Dan got decent reviews from the council members. I doubt that Ms Titter does.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  59. Kamala Harris will martyred, and AOC wins the nomination. How’s that for a prediction?

    Only if Trump is martyred too. Can’t have a martyrdom gap!

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  60. We should ne’er have rid
    Ourselves of the option to
    Use tar and feathers

    It’s still an option.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  61. @59. I doubt that Ms Titter does.

    Dan did help herd the vote to save the ISS– the price was losing the SSC, but Texas won either way as government projects go.

    Don’t believe Pantssuit Queenie has even called a meeting yet.

    China boasted in Muskian fashion it’ll send a manned mission to Mars by 2033 but that’s likely a head fake. Luna is where they’re going to plant their flag– OST and Moon Treaty be damned.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  62. @55. One man’s Peter is another man’s Willie, eh, Colonel?! 😉

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  63. … in principle, that is.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  64. White House Boasts Cookouts Are 16 Cents Cheaper This Year

    http://www.newsweek.com/white-house-boasts-cookouts-are...

    The Biden administration boasted on Thursday that cost of a Fourth of July cookout went down by 16 cents in 2021 compared to 2020, prompting backlash on social media.

    My two-cents on their 16 cents:

    Weenies.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  65. What’s the point of having a whisper campaign to sabotage the VP? You can’t get rid of her unless you can impeach her and it’s going to take more than a whisper campaign for that.

    The simplest answer is she’s terrible to work with. Biden’s promise to fire people for being mean sort of sounds like his version of “you can’t fight in the war room”.

    frosty (f27e97)

  66. @52 it was sarcasm

    JF (e1156d)

  67. She has always less overall capability than Biden and even now can only dream of the one brief millisecond where she outhinks him

    steveg (ebe7c1)

  68. At least Biden cares somethign about America and our laws.

    He’s not doing great in the courts so I’m not sure about that. But he should love America. It’s made him and his clan a bit of money over the years. Graft has been good for him.

    frosty (f27e97)

  69. Mr M wrote:

    We should ne’er have rid
    Ourselves of the option to
    Use tar and feathers

    It’s still an option.

    Well, it should< be an option, but people wanted to pursue criminal charges against demonstrators who hung hanged Governor Andy Beshear (D-KY) in effigy, claiming that it was an actual threat. The use of hot tar and feathers would be assault and battery, at the very least, today, and the hot tar can cause serious burns.

    The left would get up all in weathers
    If we gave Joe some tar and some feathers
    A sh1tstorm has come
    ‘Cause we were so dumb
    To elect a guy who thinks with his nethers.

    The libertarian, but not Libertarian, Dana (78a597)

  70. Mr 123 wrote:

    SteveG, At least Biden cares somethign about America and our laws. That alone makes him a superior choice to Trump .

    Which laws would it about which Mr Biden cares? Our immigration laws? Our freedom of speech, of the press? Our freedom of religion? Our rights to privacy?

    The Biden Administration is now trying to crack down on Wrongthink, and the military is investigating servicemembers’ political leanings. The President has proclaimed anyone who believes in ‘white supremacy’ to be the greatest threat to our country; shades of Joe McCarthy!

    The libertarian, but not Libertarian, Dana (78a597)

  71. @71 there are some people who think that’s what loving American means. They’re pretty sure America would be really swell if only they could get rid of all this personal freedom and independence nonsense.

    frosty (f27e97)

  72. @71, Biden hasn’t spent the last 8 months convincing his followers that our democracy doesn’t work. Nor did he try to subvert the electoral process. That alone is enough.

    But, since you listed a few more specifics; Trump cared nothing for free speech and was actively hostile to the idea of a free press. You are right though that Trump was much more sympathetic to White supremacy . If that’s your policy preference he’s clearly the candidate for you.

    I do agree with you that in most cases the ideology and philosophy of service members and other government employees should be left to them.

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  73. Frosty, I don’t think that and there are many many comments from my on this site where I’m saying that people should be free to say what they please and do what they like with their property free from government interference in most circumstances.

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  74. Yes he has Time123. He’s spent his entire time demonizing an entire race of people and lying about the violence going on in our nation.

    He’s deliberately stoking racial hatred based on lies.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  75. Rob; can you show me a couple of examples of what you’re talking about from Biden? I don’t think it’s true but maybe I’m not paying attention.

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  76. “https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/white-supremacy-most-lethal-threat-to-america-biden-says/ar-BB1gaa5Q

    Pick one. Here’s an easy example. Now do the rest.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  77. @74 I’m seeing a lot of whatabout. A pox on both indeed.

    frosty (f5c07f)

  78. As he understands it, it’s true.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  79. Frosty, I haven’t once tried to excuse something Biden did by changing the subject too what about trump. I have been clear that Biden’s a bad choice but was less bad then Trump.

    Time123 (4e5a7b)

  80. Yup, he’s said White Supremacy is a most lethal problem. But where has demonized an entire race?

    Time123 (4c6450)

  81. Biden hasn’t spent the last 8 months convincing his followers that our democracy doesn’t work.

    OTOH he has convinced ‘folks’ via delegation he doesn’t work all that much.

    Trump had him pegged; President Plgiarist is no LBJ.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  82. If competence is the metric to define her, keep in mind her SS code word is ‘Pioneer.’

    Think Donner Pass.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  83. Time123,
    Replace white with black. Repeat the phrase.

    Now try again.

    Thanks.

    NJRob (769f10)

  84. I think its lazy to blame Biden?Harris on Trump. Choices were made, actions were taken by voters and they should own it. Good, Bad, Ugly.
    God knows nearly everyone here insisted that Trump voters own their choice and didn’t let anyone get away with claiming their vote was Hillary’s fault

    steveg (ebe7c1)

  85. Not everyone, Mr. steveg. I’ve always been reluctant to credit Trump with more than 16 million or so True Trumpcakes in 2016, and I credit his election more to the fact that he was running against Hillary than to anything else.

    nk (1d9030)

  86. Steve, there’s a difference between holding your nose and picking the last bad choice and enthusiastic support.

    It’s like you walk up to the buffet and the only choices are a stale, dried out Turkey sandwich someone sneezed on and a flaming pile of dog crap. You’ll take the sandwich because the other isn’t food. But that doesn’t mean you like it. You also be really confused by ppl who ate dog crap when they tell how good it was. You’d be fine complaining about the sandwich. But all these ppl keep telling you the flaming poop was actually a better choice.

    Time123 (4e5a7b)

  87. Sorry, saying you think white supremacy is a problem doesnt demonize all white people.
    Most white ppl actually don’t feel any kinship to white supremacy and don’t mind when people say negative things about white supremacy

    Time123 (4e5a7b)

  88. @80 maybe take another look at @73? Also, @87. You’re hip deep in making excuses for Biden by changing the focus to Trump and claiming he was worse.

    frosty (f27e97)

  89. Biden is Trump’s legacy. A president who wasn’t awful would have easily defeated Biden, who is awful too.

    I see no need to compare them, but of course sore losers are really invested in saying they were right, because Trump became such a traitor to democracy that support of Trump is embarassing and shameful.

    One can’t excuse the other. The GOP has failed to present an alternative to high spending and low competence leadership.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  90. Motto for the modern D: It’s always someone else’s fault

    frosty (f27e97)

  91. White supremacy is a nonexistent threat. Saying it’s the biggest one we face is to target all white people as a threat. To claim otherwise is to be disingenuous at best.

    NJRob (9c83c9)

  92. NJRob (9c83c9) — 7/3/2021 @ 7:52 pm

    Luckily we’ve got the great white hope to save us. His VP said he was a racist and this was one of the few cases when she’s right but he’s still the great white hope. Maybe this time we’ll have the national conversation and make some progress. Because poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids and he owes it to Corn Pop.

    frosty (f27e97)

  93. “White supremacy is a nonexistent threat.”

    FBI Director Christopher Wray said Tuesday that the agency has made about 100 domestic terrorism-related arrests since October, and the majority were tied to white supremacy.

    ”I will say that a majority of the domestic terrorism cases that we’ve investigated are motivated by some version of what you might call white supremacist violence, but it does include other things as well,” Wray said at a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, referring to cases in fiscal 2019, which began Oct. 1.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/454338-fbis-wray-says-majority-of-domestic-terrorism-arrests-this-year

    Davethulhu (13b53b)

  94. Frosty, the conversation you’re referencing was about why vote Biden. Which I did, because he was the least bad choice.

    “What about” is if someone brings up a flaw of Biden’s and I respond with an example of Trump being worse.

    There’s difference between justifying a choice based on the real alternatives and defending poor behavior.

    Biden won. Now his actions are on him.

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  95. @92 even if I accept your evaluation of he threat that makes no sense abs doesn’t come close to Biden demonizing a race.

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  96. some version of what you might call white supremacist violence, but it does include other things as well,

    That’s a pretty airtight definition. It helps that they aren’t arresting anyone tied to BLM/Antifa violence and charging them with domestic terrorism.

    Wray distinguished between what he termed homegrown violent extremism, wording he said the FBI uses to refer to people in United States who are inspired by global jihadists, and domestic extremism, which Wray described as broader to include racially motivated extremists, anarchists and others.

    The number of domestic terrorism arrests are on par with the amount international terrorism cases, according to Wray.

    Or flagging as domestic terrorism anything that might be linked to global jihadists.

    He also said

    “Our focus is on the violence,” Wray added. “We the FBI don’t investigate the ideology, no matter how repugnant. We investigate violence. And any extremist ideology, when it turns to violence, we’re all over it.”

    So, it’s not clear how Wray is saying the “majority” is white supremacy and also saying they don’t investigate the ideology.

    You’ve got 100 from violent extremism and 100 from domestic terrorism and the “majority” of that 100 are “some version of what you might call white supremacist” but which also includes the vague category of hate crimes.

    I’m guessing that like the 1000’s of unarmed black men killed by police each year these numbers wouldn’t hold up to any real analysis.

    frosty (f27e97)

  97. Time123 (9f42ee) — 7/3/2021 @ 8:42 pm

    Really? @73 is linked to @71 which is about Biden’s having issues with various laws and your response is whatabout Trump. You’re literally changing the subject to Trump to avoid discussing Biden. @87 can be summarized as Biden is bad but Trump is worse.

    This

    Which I did, because he was the least bad choice.

    is textbook whataboutism. You aren’t citing any policy preferences. It’s just “you say Biden was a poor choice” but “whatabout Trump”.

    In both cases your trying to defend Biden by saying Trump was worse.

    frosty (f27e97)

  98. Time123 (4e5a7b) — 7/3/2021 @ 6:53 pm

    You don’t have to be a white supremacist to notice Biden is full of it when he says white supremacy is the most lethal threat to the homeland today. The data doesn’t back that up. But I like how you tried the whole “only a white supremacist would complain about this” shtick. Variations on the loaded question are always a classic.

    frosty (f27e97)

  99. “That’s a pretty airtight definition. It helps that they aren’t arresting anyone tied to BLM/Antifa violence and charging them with domestic terrorism.”

    Why not? I mean, this is Trump’s FBI director.

    “So, it’s not clear how Wray is saying the “majority” is white supremacy and also saying they don’t investigate the ideology.”

    I think you misunderstand what he’s saying here. He’s claiming that white supremacists don’t get investigated unless they’re violent.

    Davethulhu (13b53b)

  100. The FBI is the same group that wouldn’t tie the Scalise attempted murder to politics and the left, right?

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  101. In both cases your trying to defend Biden by saying Trump was worse.

    It’s not defending p. carinii to say it was caused by AIDS.

    nk (1d9030)

  102. Especially since the FBI never labeled AIDS domestic terrorism.

    nk (1d9030)

  103. Frosty, 71 ties back to 24 which was a response to Steve’s complaint that people who opposed trump weren’t owning the stupid things Biden’s done / said. My point to Steve was that I didn’t like Biden. Just viewed him as last bad in context.

    Again, I’m not defending Biden. I’m explaining my choice to vote for him.

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  104. So, it’s not clear how Wray is saying the “majority” is white supremacy and also saying they don’t investigate the ideology.

    I took him to mean that they open investigations based on investigations on acts of violence, not on ideology.

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  105. That’s a pretty airtight definition. It helps that they aren’t arresting anyone tied to BLM/Antifa violence and charging them with domestic terrorism.

    Keep in mind that at the time those arrests were done the DOJ was run by Bill Barr.

    I assume if evidence to support such charges against arrested individuals existed they’d have filed those charges.

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  106. The white supremacy thing started out as Biden saying it was the most lethal threat to the homeland and it’s been turned into there are some violent acts that might be caused by racism. Along the way there’s been a lot of assuming, misquoting, and twisting of stats in an effort to defend Biden and whatabout Trump.

    White supremacy is zero threat to “the homeland” as claimed by Biden. This is 100% nonsense.

    But white supremacy is part of the 1/6 story and it’s part of the false narrative generally so we’ve got to keep whipping that dead horse right?

    frosty (f27e97)

  107. Frosty, can you tell me what you mean when you say what about? I’m wondering if we’re using the term in differ t ways.

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  108. @108 I think we’ve got the same definition.

    the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counteraccusation or raising a different issue.

    Or

    is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent’s position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument.

    Ref for more.

    You’re just doing it and then saying you aren’t. You think a little acknowledgment of a Biden problem in one example insulates you. Another example is @104. It doesn’t matter that you preface it with “I didn’t like Biden” especially when you’re fairly consistent about responding to a Biden criticism by shifting to Trump. The core of the problem is avoiding the initial issue by shifting it back to the person bringing up the issue.

    We’ve also got a good running example of cognitive dissonance going. You’ve defended Biden

    Biden hasn’t spent the last 8 months convincing his followers that our democracy doesn’t work. Nor did he try to subvert the electoral process. That alone is enough.

    and

    At least Biden cares somethign about America and our laws. That alone makes him a superior choice to Trump .

    with a whatabout and claimed you aren’t defending him and aren’t whatabouting.

    The original topic of the thread is the Harris is bad and you started shifting that to Trump @10.

    frosty (f27e97)

  109. Frosty, The joke in 10 is an old joke that there’s no affirmative case for Biden and he only won as the least bad alternative. It also insults trump because it says that he’s worse then nothing.

    Then in response to Steve’s reply I stated why felt trump was worse, and I’ve responded to comments about that.

    The white supremacy conversation was started by Rob who claimed it supported his assertion that Biden was demonizing an entire race. I don’t think it comes close to justify that assertion but It wasn’t brought up by me as an attack on Trump. But I did respond to aspects of that conversation where I had something to say.

    I’ve also responded to your comments that I’m engaging in whatabout.

    I think I also commented that losing her office to infighting this soon is pretty weak leadership on Harris’s part.

    Time123 (4e5a7b)

  110. Frosty, I thought about this a bit. You’ve brought this up several times. Maybe my intent isn’t relevant and my comments did shift the focus regardless of my point in a way that froze out other ideas.

    Did you have something Biden focused about this news report that we should talk about?

    Time123 (9f42ee)


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