SMDH: GOP Congressmen Sound Like A Middle-School Girl Dumped By Her Imaginary Boyfriend
[guest post by Dana]
A New York Times report looks at what took place in the Republican conference in the aftermath of Rep. Liz Cheney’s vote to impeach Trump. I just have to say, Republican men, this is a very bad look for you:
…Cheney went on, she was “deeply, deeply concerned about where our party is headed.” Its core principles — limited government, low taxes, a strong national defense — were being overshadowed by darker forces. “We cannot become the party of QAnon,” she said. “We cannot become the party of Holocaust denial. We cannot become the party of white supremacy. We all watched in horror what happened on Jan. 6.”
Cheney, alone among House Republicans, had been mentioned by Trump in his speech that day. “The Liz Cheneys of the world, we got to get rid of them,” he told his supporters at the Ellipse shortly before they overran the Capitol. The president had been infuriated by Cheney’s public insistence that Trump’s court challenges to state election results were unpersuasive and that he needed to respect “the sanctity of our electoral process.”
Less than an hour later, a mob was banging against the doors of the House chamber.
In the conference meeting, Cheney said that she stood by her vote to impeach Trump. Several members had asked her to apologize, but, she said, “I cannot do that.”
The line to the microphone was extraordinarily long. At least half of the speakers indicated that they would vote to remove Cheney. Ralph Norman of South Carolina expressed disappointment in her vote. “But the other thing that bothers me, Liz,” he went on, “is your attitude. You’ve got a defiant attitude.” John Rutherford of Florida, a former sheriff, accused the chairwoman of not being a “team player.”
Likening the situation to a football game, Mike Kelly of Pennsylvania lamented, “You look up into the stands and see your girlfriend on the opposition’s side — that’s one hell of a tough thing to swallow.”
“The conference voted to keep Liz in that position because we’ve got bigger fish to fry — fighting the Democrats, winning the next election — and this is a distraction from all that,” Jeff Duncan of South Carolina, who voted against Cheney in the meeting, later told me. But, he added, “I think there’s a huge disconnect with Liz and some others in the conference and the American people. She did have a conservative record. But then she became almost a Never Trumper. And I’ve been disappointed in her lack of humility. It’s struck a lot of people as not only odd, but just as — wow.”
Lloyd Smucker of Pennsylvania said that Cheney had “a low E.Q.,” or emotional quotient.
In other words, as one congressman put it when he was leaving the conference:
“I just got to spend four hours listening to a bunch of men complain to a woman that she doesn’t take their emotions into account.”
It’s ironic that these men complained about a female colleague’s alleged defiance, lack of humility, low emotional quotient, and that she wasn’t a team player when all of these qualities very accurately describe…Trump. Talk about a huge disconnect! Talk about a just wow! moment. Talk about some sexist bullshit!
Anyway, Republican men, this patronizing, paternalistic pouting is very unflattering and is not doing you nor the Party any favors. You look like a bunch of emotionally devastated middle-school girls who got dumped by someone they imagined was their boyfriend but never was. In other words, it’s immature and you should grow up.
Given that the Republican president lost his re-election bid, the Party controls neither the executive nor legislative branch, and a female congresswoman was taken to the woodshed for daring to choose loyalty to the Constitution over loyalty to the president, these whiny congressmen demonstrate the current weakened state of the Republican Party. It really makes you wonder about how a once-viable and influential political party could ever again even remotely consider hitching its wagon to, well, a loser. But after reading the drivel from these yahoos, sad to say, I get it.
It’s still early, of course, but I am not seeing any significant moving away from MAGA by the Republican Party. Perhaps it will happen. But there’s a good chance it won’t. I think the midterms will be telling, to some degree.Dana (fd537d) — 4/23/2021 @ 10:07 am
She does not represent the party or her constituents and should not be in a position of authority.
It’s telling that the article quotes Republicans by name to belittle them, but then uses an anonymous quote to also belittle them.
It’s a hit piece from the NY Slimes. Shocking.NJRob (eb56c3) — 4/23/2021 @ 11:11 am
In a parliamentary system that would be no problem.Rip Murdock (46eeea) — 4/23/2021 @ 11:29 am
The GOP is Trump’s party. She’s out of step with it and she hurt his feelings That’s a cardinal GOP sin worse then raising taxes, gun control, or admitting that it’s possible that racism exist. She should have made sure her disagreement didn’t make any of the men in the room feel like they lacked power and control over her. I’ll bet she didn’t even offer to take notes at the conference or make sure there was fresh coffee.Time123 (235fc4) — 4/23/2021 @ 11:29 am
Rob, mockery aside I agree with you that she’s out of step with the center of the GOP. We’ll find out how her constituents feel in ’22.
as far as belittling goes, If the GOP doesn’t want to be mocked it should be less silly.Time123 (235fc4) — 4/23/2021 @ 11:31 am
In as much as the GOP’s future is concerned, it doesn’t matter who the NYT named or didn’t name. These congressmen are quoted. They actually made these statements about a female colleague and that is a problem. And it’s representative of the current Trump-influenced GOP. That is something that the GOP needs to address. They appear chauvinistic, out-of-step, whiny, and very Trump-like. That isn’t a plus for them.Dana (fd537d) — 4/23/2021 @ 11:34 am
Speaking of Mocking the Trump. The City of Albuquerque just turned a campaign debt over to collections. This is funny, but from what I understand the campaign isn’t obligated to pay this bill as security for the president is required by law. I also believe that similar kerfuffle’s have happened in the past with other campaigns and that pubic pressure is the tool that localities use to recoup some of these types of costs. Trump did raise 200million after the election so he could pay it if he chose.Time123 (b87ded) — 4/23/2021 @ 11:34 am
Dana, isn’t the real problem female elected officials not understanding their proper place and role? Or maybe the real problem is that the liberal media is making the GOP look bad by quoting them?Time123 (b87ded) — 4/23/2021 @ 11:36 am
Facts don’t care about your feelings!
Humility is for losers and cucks. Isn’t that right, Trumpers?
Radegunda (aea52f) — 4/23/2021 @ 11:36 am
Trimp nailed her cold.
Haliburton Liz merely does Darth Daddy’s bidding. She’s a bent, bad penny in the coin purse of life.DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 4/23/2021 @ 11:41 am
I guess you’re right, Time123. If you are a working woman and can’t be at home, barefoot, and pregnant, at least, while working in the halls of Congress, you can remain silent unless spoken to, keep your eyes down lest some delusional goober congressman thinks you are making eyes at him, and never, ever wear a dress with bare legs. Pantyhose only! And most critical: NEVER EVER DISAGREE WITH A MALE COLLEAGUE IN FRONT OF HIS MALE PEERS. Protecting these precious beings should be the priority.Dana (fd537d) — 4/23/2021 @ 11:43 am
The most consistent thing in the Trumper worldview is hypocrisy.
And speaking of emotionally devastated middle-school girls: The whole “rigged election” narrative began with Trump’s preemptive refusal to accept defeat as a legitimate result, because his bloated but fragile ego couldn’t bear the thought.
Then most of his intellectual supporters went along with his “stolen election” narrative rather than admit that perhaps they should have acknowledged the risks of putting a pathological narcissist in a position of so much power.Radegunda (aea52f) — 4/23/2021 @ 11:43 am
OT- Congrats to NASA and SpaceX on a perfect launch of Endeavour to the ISS today. Rendezvous and docking to be televised tonight. Stellar week in space; ‘Ingenuity’ helicopter had a second successful flight on Mars as well. Outstanding job, kids.DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 4/23/2021 @ 11:46 am
How embarrassing for the GOP. I wonder what Trump would need to do for them to no longer be “team players”. I can’t support individuals who aren’t more circumspect about Trump’s conduct…and who reflexively attacked as if to whimpishly curry favor with the man. If they aren’t at least a little bit troubled about the sum total of Trump’s questionable actions…..I doubt their honesty, integrity, and fealty to the law. I can’t volunteer or give money to a party that still wants Trump to be their leader. The GOP needs to sober up.AJ_Liberty (ec7f74) — 4/23/2021 @ 11:47 am
@10, I think it’s the lack of humility that really stands out. Why would she think she’s an equal member entitled to her own opinions like Romney, Paul, or Sasse?Time123 (b87ded) — 4/23/2021 @ 11:48 am
I think that’s partly it. Trumpers also detest the GOP men who didn’t fall in line behind Trump, but have those men been accused of lacking humility?
Let’s also remember how conservative men profess to love the courage of “strong women” — especially the ones who like to pose with guns — if those women echo their own party line. But strong women who disagree with them? Those are witches and harridans and feminazis.
And a woman whose courage exposes their own pusillanimity? They’re the worst.Radegunda (aea52f) — 4/23/2021 @ 11:53 am
If it helps any, I have never heard of any of those GOP Congressmen who criticized Congresswoman Cheney. A bunch of lifelong back-benchers I am guessing.JVW (ee64e4) — 4/23/2021 @ 12:00 pm
That line is particularly chilling in light of the “Hang Mike Pence” chants and everything else that happened subsequently. But even aside from that, it should be considered unacceptable coming from a president of the United States. It reveals an ugliness of soul that has, unfortunately, been turned into a form of heroism by far too many among the “íntellectual” right.Radegunda (aea52f) — 4/23/2021 @ 12:01 pm
The New York Times ran a whole story the other day, citing George W. Bush, about how there are not enough people in the GOP who don’t support Trump.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/21/opinion/trump-republicans.htmlSammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 4/23/2021 @ 12:06 pm
After Jan 6, a friend of mine said she sees little behavioral difference between the Republican party and a prep-school football team at a party.
Both are utterly convinced of their entitlement to whatever they happen to want right now, and get violent and grabby if they don’t get their way.
I did note that there were some non-professionals in the party that were not brats, but I think that is less true over time, as they successfully chase out people like Cheney and more flee to escape the stink.john (cd2753) — 4/23/2021 @ 12:06 pm
I think the midterms will be telling, to some degree.
I don’t. I think by then the Democrats will be so toxic in their desire to make this a Euroweenie country that even the MAGA Republicans will seem reasonable.
Of course, in California there’s the Caitlyn Jenner GOP….Kevin M (ab1c11) — 4/23/2021 @ 12:31 pm
Absolutely a bunch of back benchers. Which makes it odd that these types of attacks didn’t get pushback for being sexist. I don’t think these assumptions would have been tolerated if directed at people who grew up on farms, gun owners, or evangelical Christians.Time123 (b87ded) — 4/23/2021 @ 12:31 pm
Why would she think she’s an equal member entitled to her own opinions like Romney, Paul, or Sasse?
Because they’re Senators and she’s not?Kevin M (ab1c11) — 4/23/2021 @ 12:33 pm
And I’ve been disappointed in her lack of humility. It’s struck a lot of people as not only odd, but just as — wow.”
Wait. He supports Trump and says that? Or is it that she looks the empreror in the eyes, and no one should?Kevin M (ab1c11) — 4/23/2021 @ 12:35 pm
The City of Albuquerque just turned a campaign debt over to collections.
Publicity stunt for the Mayor, seeking re-election.Kevin M (ab1c11) — 4/23/2021 @ 12:37 pm
Or he expects women to carry themselves in a humble way and show him proper deference?Time123 (235fc4) — 4/23/2021 @ 12:39 pm
@25 good point and probably correct.Time123 (235fc4) — 4/23/2021 @ 12:39 pm
Akshually, Biden will have bought every vote in the country by then, and without needing to put his name on the checks…Dave (1bb933) — 4/23/2021 @ 1:18 pm
It’s a healthy development-Republicans finally talking in language that women understand and appreciate, rather than going on autismically about how I WON THE ARGUMENT THAT MEANS I’M RIGHT.
Trump rode it to victory, being associated with Trump kept a yuuuuuuge fraction of Republicans in their seats during a year of unprecedented legal and procedural vote shenanigans, and some Republicans are finally learning how to win (step 1: Isolate and eliminate the traitors, using language everyone can understand.)
National politics is all about emotions and their manipulations, and being publicly proud of GOING AGAINST THE GRAIN, MAVERICK STYLE by….repeating Democrat party talking points in your own personally aggireved tone is still far more toxic than basic intra-party discipline.Emotional Compliance Officer (72bda7) — 4/23/2021 @ 1:51 pm
isn’t the real problem female elected officials not understanding their proper place and role?
Halliburton Liz know it all too well- make the family money off government, avoid military service at all costs [a Cheney family trait] grift the party suckers into perpetual war, profit from it all while other people’s kids get maimed an slaughtered on all sides. She is a Neocon; a disciple of the corporate cosmology of Arthur Jensen:
“There are no nations. There are no peoples. There are no Russians. There are no Arabs. There are no third worlds. There is no West. There is only one holistic system of systems, one vast and immane, interwoven, interacting, multivariate, multinational dominion of dollars… It is the international system of currency which determines the totality of life on this planet. That is the natural order of things today. That is the atomic and subatomic and galactic structure of things today… There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM, and ITT, and AT&T, and DuPont, Dow, Union Carbide, and Exxon. Those are the nations of the world today.” – Arthur Jensen [Ned Beatty] ‘Network’ 1976
And all tapping service and support contracting with… Halliburton, eh, Liz.DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 4/23/2021 @ 1:53 pm
OT- Memo to Dubya:
Took a second look; George, your paintings really do suck.
“Hitler! Now there was a painter! He could paint an entire apartment in one afternoon! Two coats!”- Franz Liebkind [Kenneth Mars]’The Producers’ 1967DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 4/23/2021 @ 2:01 pm
Actually, there are women who don’t appreciate it when men whose feelings are hurt tell them to sit down and shut up – particularly when those men who doing so in abject servility to the biggest overgrown baby in American politics today.
It’s quite a sight when the people who’ve been chanting “HE FIGHTS! HE DOESN’T ROLL OVER” as the highest terms of praise for the past 5 years get very very offended when anyone – especially a woman – stands up to their orange god king instead of bowing down and rolling over like they do.Radegunda (aea52f) — 4/23/2021 @ 2:10 pm
I look forward to the full throated defense of Marjorie Taylor Greene for the way she’s been treated. The rudeness towards her must be because she’s a woman. Look forward to the support .NJRob (eeb41d) — 4/23/2021 @ 2:30 pm
the times wouldn’t run this if it weren’t harmful to republicans, and their cheney linked sources knew that of course
the story is more of a comment on nevertrump than anything else
hurting republicans trumps anything else until they get their wayJF (e1156d) — 4/23/2021 @ 2:31 pm
I like some of them, and they aren’t intended to satisfy Dubya’s bazillion haters or art critics. Art has a lot of applications. For one of our nation’s greatest presidents, it’s for reflection on what the country is.
Yeah it’s almost as though there was a greater principle and purpose to politics than kissing rings. Crazy.Dustin (4237e0) — 4/23/2021 @ 2:50 pm
I don’t take their comments at face value. They were not really meant for Liz Cheney. They were homages to Da Orange. They couldn’t, any of them, very well say “I want to have Donald Trump’s baby”, now, could they? As much as they might want to? So they masked it as dis on Liz.nk (1d9030) — 4/23/2021 @ 2:57 pm
I too like W’s paintings. I wouldn’t mind owning one.norcal (01e272) — 4/23/2021 @ 2:58 pm
@33, got examples of her being dismissed or attacked in sexist terms?Time123 (9f42ee) — 4/23/2021 @ 3:45 pm
cheney wants to return the party to its fake wmd principlesJF (e1156d) — 4/23/2021 @ 3:58 pm
Less than an hour later, a mob was banging against the doors of the House chamber. In the conference meeting, Cheney said that she stood by her vote to impeach Trump.
But not her desk; she ran away like a scared bunny.’National defense…’ meh; there isn’t a rabbit hole deep enough for her.DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 4/23/2021 @ 4:02 pm
There’s plenty out there. You can look on Salon if you’d like Time.
It is a cesspool though.NJRob (e8d2a8) — 4/23/2021 @ 4:39 pm
It wasn’t just the American intelligence agencies who thought Iraq had WMD.
Contrast that to Trump, whom foreign countries could see for the gaslighter he is.norcal (01e272) — 4/23/2021 @ 4:39 pm
never, ever wear a dress with bare legs. Pantyhose only!
Ok, I have to come to the defense of men on that one. Or at least 97.5% of us. That convention is imposed on women by other women and their sense of fashion. And air conditioning. And the 2.5% of men who critique what women wear. The 97.5% will shake their heads equally when they see barelegged women in December and stockings in August.nk (1d9030) — 4/23/2021 @ 4:41 pm
I believe there are many things imposed on women by other women.
I’m not a fan of pantyhose, makeup, high heels, or hair dye. YMMV.norcal (01e272) — 4/23/2021 @ 4:49 pm
Of course it’s got nothing to do with her being a woman. And I think you know that. MTG has invited the treatment she has received because of her history of supporting and/or giving validity to crazy conspiracy theories, including promoting Q’Anon and Pizzagate, Hillary Clinton, as well as believing that Trump won the election. Mitch McConnell described her as:
The treatment she has received by others is the same treatment that any other nutcases – be they male or female – who push conspiracy theories and challenge the outcome of the election have received.Dana (fd537d) — 4/23/2021 @ 5:01 pm
let’s compare conspiracies, this should be fun
how many people have died from pizzagate and qanon?
fake wmd?JF (e1156d) — 4/23/2021 @ 5:10 pm
The WMD concern was not made up out of whole cloth.norcal (01e272) — 4/23/2021 @ 5:19 pm
how many people died because obama is secretly from africa, per trump?Dustin (4237e0) — 4/23/2021 @ 5:20 pm
yeah you know what they say about saddam’s WMDs and little bo peep?
they both had curds in their wheyDustin (4237e0) — 4/23/2021 @ 5:21 pm
Speaking of dad jokes, Dustin! 🙂norcal (01e272) — 4/23/2021 @ 5:22 pm
Little Miss Muffet. Little Bo Peep had sheep that wagged their tails behind them. Like Trump and his supporters.nk (1d9030) — 4/23/2021 @ 5:30 pm
that’s fake news, what hillary and epstein want you to thinkDustin (4237e0) — 4/23/2021 @ 6:31 pm
Cheney is more courageous than Romney in that she’s up for election next year, while Romney can wait until 2024.norcal (01e272) — 4/23/2021 @ 6:43 pm
I don’t read salon. But I checked it out for 10 minutes and didn’t find examples of them dismissing her in sexist terms. They clearly don’t like her, but I didn’t see anything gendered in their criticism. Admittedly I didn’t spend a lot of time looking.Time123 (80b471) — 4/24/2021 @ 6:29 am
Dustin, did you hear about the bowlegged cowboy? He couldn’t keep his calves together.nk (1d9030) — 4/24/2021 @ 9:49 am
Physicist dad joke?
One hydrogen atom says to another, “Oh my god, I’ve lost my electron!”
The second asks, “Are you sure?”
The first one says, “I’m positive!”Dave (1bb933) — 4/24/2021 @ 10:48 am