Trump At CPAC: Reportedly Will Focus On “Payback” And The 2024 Election
[guest post by Dana]
As discussions about the current state of the Republican Party and Donald Trump’s influence therein continue, Axios reports that, not only will Trump be speaking at CPAC next weekend, he will be focused on…payback and the next presidential election:
In his first post-presidential appearance, Donald Trump plans to send the message next weekend that he is Republicans’ “presumptive 2024 nominee” with a vise grip on the party’s base, top Trump allies tell Axios.
A longtime adviser called Trump’s speech a “show of force,” and said the message will be: “I may not have Twitter or the Oval Office, but I’m still in charge.” Payback is his chief obsession.
Trump is expected to stoke primary challenges for some of those who have crossed him, and shower money and endorsements on the Trumpiest candidates.
State-level officials, fresh off censuring Trump critics, stand ready to back him up.
Trump’s speech Sunday at CPAC in Orlando is designed to show that he controls the party, whether or not he runs in 2024.
And perhaps most telling:
His advisers argue that his power within the GOP runs deeper and broader than ever, and that no force can temper him.
“Trump effectively is the Republican Party,” Trump senior adviser Jason Miller told me. “The only chasm is between Beltway insiders and grassroots Republicans around the country. When you attack President Trump, you’re attacking the Republican grassroots.”
Given the poor showing by Republicans on votes to impeach and/or convict Trump and censures against those who voted in the affirmative, it’s hard to disagree that Trump remains immensely influential within the Republican Party. And unsurprisingly, his popularity with supporters remains stable:
An exclusive Suffolk University/USA TODAY Poll finds Trump’s support largely unshaken after his second impeachment trial in the Senate, this time on a charge of inciting an insurrection in the deadly assault on the Capitol Jan. 6.
By double digits, 46%-27%, those surveyed say they would abandon the GOP and join the Trump party if the former president decided to create one. The rest are undecided.
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Half of those polled say the GOP should become “more loyal to Trump,” even at the cost of losing support among establishment Republicans. One in five, 19%, say the party should become less loyal to Trump and more aligned with establishment Republicans.
Here are a few other individuals that are slated to speak at next weekend’s event – the event at which presidential contenders typically make an appearance: Gov. Kristi Noem (SD) and Gov. Ron DeSantis (FL), former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, and Ted Cruz (TX), Josh Hawley (Mo.), Rick Scott (Fla.) and Tom Cotton (Ark.).
Neatly summing up today’s Republican Party:
Last year, @CPAC disinvited Mitt Romney because “he’s lied so continuously to conservatives.”
This year, they’re featuring a guy who still tells conservatives that he won the 2020 election.
–Dana
Here we go.
Dana (fd537d) — 2/22/2021 @ 10:51 amI’ve read that Mike Pence is sitting this one out.
John B Boddie (d795fd) — 2/22/2021 @ 10:58 am50% of the current Republican party, more or less, probably shouldn’t be enough to form a governing political majority of this country but hey, in the U.S., anything is possible.
Victor (4959fb) — 2/22/2021 @ 11:01 amWhat goes around comes around; history, indeed, rhymes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_Republican_National_Convention
Glorious.
“Who was that masked man?” – ‘The Lone Ranger’ 1933
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 2/22/2021 @ 11:03 amMakes sense.
The republican party base is strongly motivated by attacking those perceived as disrespecting their tribe. Trump is their mascot so any slight to him is a slight to them. They will love to see him lash out that the enemies who have hurt their feelings. This is what they think of when they say ‘he fights’.
Time123 (457a1d) — 2/22/2021 @ 11:20 amThat’s true, Time123. It has always been *the* selling point for Trump with his supporters that he fights for them. From the SUFFOLK UNIVERSITY/University USA Today poll that I linked to in the post:
Dana (fd537d) — 2/22/2021 @ 11:31 amIf China invades Taiwan and occupies it, or some similar possibilities happen, it is not beyond the bounds of possibility that he could win, for real, if there’s not enough competition.
Otherwise, he is going nowhere.
Sammy Finkelman (8ac22c) — 2/22/2021 @ 11:35 amThe Trumpiest Republicans Are At The State And Local Levels — Not In D.C.
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……The party’s most-Trump and pro-Trumpism contingent and the forces in the party pushing its growing radical and antidemocratic tendencies are often not national Republicans, but those at the local and state levels.
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Beyond defending Trump himself, state and local Republicans are perhaps the party’s biggest advocates of the kind of white-identity politics that is sometimes referred to as Trumpism. For example, GOP officials at the state level are now trying to bar schools from using materials from the New York Times’s 1619 Project, which focuses on the central role of slavery in American history. Such bans would effectively use government power to censor part of the public discourse and silence a project hated by many conservatives because of its critical look at Trump-style white-identity politics.
Also, GOP officials in states, not those in D.C., were the ones who pioneered laws designed to make it harder for liberal-leaning constituencies like Black Americans and college students to vote. Now, GOP officials in states are aggressively trying to limit vote-by-mail programs, after a 2020 election in which Democrats won in part because of strong turnout and Democrats voted by mail at much higher rates than Republicans.
In 2019, state party leaders canceled Republican caucuses and primaries, virtually eliminating any possibility for a GOP challenger to wage a serious campaign against Trump.
In Trump’s bid to overturn the election results, GOP state legislators, local and state party officials and GOP state attorneys general were often enthusiastically supporting his moves, while Republicans such as Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell generally didn’t condemn the effort but didn’t openly embrace it either.
…….According to an analysis by (Jake Grumbach, a political scientist at the University of Washington), the greatest predictor of whether a state has taken antidemocratic steps, such as really aggressive gerrymandering or efforts to make it harder for people to vote, is if Republicans control its state legislature and governor’s office.
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……..Republicans at the state level can take fairly aggressive actions with less of a chance of drawing a massive backlash or other negative attention.
Similarly, GOP state legislative races generally get less scrutiny and attention from the media than those for the U.S. House and GOP gubernatorial candidates get less scrutiny than Republican candidates for U.S. Senate and president.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 2/22/2021 @ 11:38 am…….
The party’s more establishment wing seems to be more powerful the higher up the government ranks you go. …….But at the local and state level, activists aligned with the Trump wing of the party are dominant.
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Agreed, the part i was trying to expand on was that they confuse this type of theatrics for effective advocacy and have someone decided that respect / criticism aimed at Trump reflects on them.
Time123 (b0628d) — 2/22/2021 @ 11:53 amIf China does that soon, they will have four years to dig in and make it that much harder for anyone to repel them.
That is, if the Beijing can withstand the withering verbal denouncements Biden would unleash.
Hoi Polloi (093fb9) — 2/22/2021 @ 11:54 amHe’ll run the con for as long as he can. Maybe even until this time next year, when all the Republicans up for reelection look at their poll numbers and campaign coffers and start seriously wondering on which side their bread is really buttered on.
nk (1d9030) — 2/22/2021 @ 11:57 amAt least they won’t be able to buy him off with ag purchases and a potential trade deal that never materializes.
Time123 (b0628d) — 2/22/2021 @ 12:00 pmIf China does that soon, they will have four years to dig in and make it that much harder for anyone to repel them.
Silicon Valley won’t tolerate it.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 2/22/2021 @ 12:04 pmBut China won’t invade. The things they want would be destroyed in the process. Instead, they want to influence, control and eventually annex Taiwan. The thing about democracies, from an adversaries point-of-view, is that they will eventually chose badly and then they don’t get the choice again.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 2/22/2021 @ 12:07 pmWhere’s my scepter?
The announced CPAC speakers are a list of demagogues who must climb over each other to kiss Trump’s bum, while simultaneously trying to push him off the stage. What a disgusting group. Real conservatives have no need for self-annointed royalty like the Trumps.
noel (9fead1) — 2/22/2021 @ 12:11 pmThey won’t because they already have. Biden and DNC are wholly owned subsidiaries of China, Inc.
Hoi Polloi (093fb9) — 2/22/2021 @ 12:56 pmHow many divisions does Zuckerberg have?
Hoi Polloi (093fb9) — 2/22/2021 @ 12:56 pmHow many divisions does Zuckerberg have?
How many could he buy?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 2/22/2021 @ 1:00 pmTrump was silent on China’s human rights violations because he wanted a big trade deal…can you remind me how that turned out?
Time123 (457a1d) — 2/22/2021 @ 1:28 pmWhat part of NO! don’t you understand? Reagan’s greed is good philosophy of libertarian economics and predatory capitalism’s creative destruction has been discredited by the destruction of the working class. They love trump’s populism (74,000,000) and they loathe you anti trumper anti populists. Every day it is posted here the republican party needs never trumpers to come back. The now populist republican party neither needs you or want you back! Go run over to the dope smoker liberation party and take your wealthy donors with you. They will not be buying presidential nominations in the republican party anymore!
asset (a9a347) — 2/22/2021 @ 1:32 pmThey’re contemplating investigating Roger Stone as possibly being implicated in the Capitol Hill riot.
Six people who guarded Roger Stone, all associated with the Oath Keepers, entered the Capitol during the breach. They may have applied for a subpoena or a search warrant into his communications. Stone was also present outside the Capitol but did not go inside.
He just got pardoned, and then he puts himself at risk again?
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/20/us/politics/justice-dept-roger-stone-capitol-riot.html
They are also looking at Alex Jones.
https://news.yahoo.com/roger-stone-alex-jones-probed-015400524.html
This is an anonymous illegal leak by the way.
Ali Alexander is also being looked at.
I think a key question here is: What happened to Trump’s second speech on January 6 – the one he was to give at the Capitol rally – and for that matter, was it ever really going to happen?
If not, you may have the beginnings of a conspiracy case.
Meanwhile every single person arrested in this connection, except one *, is still in jail -one person – the one who put his foot on what he thought was Nancy Pelosi’s desk – had his $5,000 bail appealed They have all been brought to Washington, like maybe DOJ expects a second arraignment.
* The exception is someone with a left wing history who encouraged things to happen in front of his camera and then sold his footage to CNN and NBC for $70,000. ($35,000 each) They presumably did not fear him joining another riot again spoon.
Sammy Finkelman (8ac22c) — 2/22/2021 @ 1:36 pm19. Time123 (457a1d) — 2/22/2021 @ 1:28 pm
He got a little bit of a deal in January, 2020, after Xi Jinping knew about the coronavirus and that that meant all commitments would be meaningless.
Sammy Finkelman (8ac22c) — 2/22/2021 @ 1:40 pmRemember the blue eyed blond boy singing the future belongs to me in the movie cabaret? The republican partys future belongs to them (74,000,000) not you!
asset (a9a347) — 2/22/2021 @ 1:45 pmRemember the blue eyed blond boy singing the future belongs to me in the movie cabaret? The republican partys future belongs to them (74,000,000) not you!
Not a very good comparison of a Nazi Youth leader and Trump voters, but may be you meant it.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 2/22/2021 @ 1:47 pmWell, well, well, DJT’s advisors “argue” his power blah blah. Of course they do because it’s part of how opinion is shaped. There are only two groups of people who believe this without reservation, Trump loyalists and NeverTrumpers. Both are fundraising. One off the great savior and the other off the boogyman.
This isn’t a self-serving statement at all.
That might be something to worry about.
frosty (f27e97) — 2/22/2021 @ 3:17 pmWhy should I go back? The current GOP is offering a new take a grievance politics, terrible economic policy, massive amounts of corruption, and conspiracy theories.
The pitch seems to be “We’re terrible in different ways then the democrats.”
Not much of a pitch.
Time123 (af99e9) — 2/22/2021 @ 3:18 pmIt’s Trump’s party. He’s closer to the center of the GOP then I am.
Time123 (52fb0e) — 2/22/2021 @ 3:19 pmWhataboutism noted.
That said, Republicans are almost as bad as Democrats when it comes to their unspoken love for China. Cheap goods. Big market.
If you ever wonder why populism is gaining popularity, I think a great place to start would be the problems associated with free trade, with China at the problems’ nexus.
Hoi Polloi (b28058) — 2/22/2021 @ 3:20 pmKevin M (ab1c11) — 2/22/2021 @ 12:04 pm
I don’t see any reason Silicon Valley would have an issue with it so I’m missing something here. Would you elaborate?
frosty (f27e97) — 2/22/2021 @ 3:24 pmKevin M (ab1c11) — 2/22/2021 @ 1:00 pm
In CA? Zero. Or I should say zero divisions armed with anything other than righteous anger.
frosty (f27e97) — 2/22/2021 @ 3:27 pmCPAC Disinvites Pro-Trump Speaker Young Pharaoh From Conference After Past Anti-Semitic Slurs Unearthed
CPAC officially disinvited Young Pharaoh from its upcoming 2021 conference, after the Trump supporter was found to have repeatedly pushed vicious anti-Semitic slurs and conspiracies.
During an announcement on Monday afternoon, the CPAC Twitter account effectively canceled Young Pharaoh’s role as speaker at its Florida event later this week, which has as its theme “America Uncanceled.”
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 2/22/2021 @ 3:31 pm…….
So much for their theme.
I’ve had a couple of chances to contradict the Trump narrative with a friend and then a relative. I’m sorry to say that I shirked my duty both times. It is in my nature to just remain silent. I need to fight that tendency, and be ready to cordially disagree on a moment’s notice.
Evil triumphs when good men do nothing.
I’m not that good, but I aspire to be.
norcal (01e272) — 2/22/2021 @ 3:34 pmYou’re asserting what Biden will do in the hypothetical. It hasn’t happened yet. I’m pointing out that Trump was a giant pansy when it came to China, got played, and we have nothing to show for it. It’s not whatabout. It’s just criticizing trump for being a loser.
Time123 (9f42ee) — 2/22/2021 @ 4:34 pmI am asserting based on what Biden has said – which is all he will do about China. Talk. If you have any evidence he’s willing to confront China on trade, or foreign policy, or human rights, I’m all ears. But from the speech Biden just gave, he seems intent on calling out China publicly when Beijing does something Biden doesn’t like, but that’s it.
Also, since Trump is no longer president, you don’t have to criticize him any longer. He is history. A historical loser. I care more about the present and future. What are we going to do while China conducts mass genocide? Destroys our middle class as it did our lower class? How are we going to get more fair trade deals that doesn’t let China rob us in the open and behind closed doors?
Hoi Polloi (b28058) — 2/22/2021 @ 4:54 pmI find it also interesting that among the flurry of orders that Biden undertook to reverse Trump’s policies, Trump’s trade policies with China still stand.
Hoi Polloi (b28058) — 2/22/2021 @ 5:06 pmTrump is a horrible, fatheaded, egotistical blowhard and you definitely need to have a better leader for the party. The only problem is that you don’t – and the reason is because Trump stole your party from right under your noses because you were too wimpy to defend it. Have the GOP suddenly stopped being wimpy? No, no they have not. They haven’t learned a thing from Trump.
Jerryskids (999ce8) — 2/22/2021 @ 5:08 pmNot really a question of being wimpy or not. There are a lot of Americans who are dissatisfied with their lot in life thanks to globalization and free trade deals. Neither party has been receptive to their concerns. Democrats were once the party of labor, but they’ve heard the siren song of globalization and free trade. Republicans were never the party of labor, but Trump tapped into that populist zeitgeist to win the GOP nomination.
Republicans aren’t wimpy. They simply aren’t equipped to court the populist vote. Until they, or the Democrats, figure out a way to get help to the Americans who have been on the losing end of globalization and free trade, then the GOP will have a problem.
Hoi Polloi (b28058) — 2/22/2021 @ 5:13 pmWhat are we going to do while China conducts mass genocide?
Nothing.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 2/22/2021 @ 5:16 pmRIP Martha Stewart (98).
No, not that one.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 2/22/2021 @ 5:35 pmThat is correct. It’s ironic (I think…) that in today’s political landscape, when everyone is calling anyone who disagrees with them a Nazi, that we are standing aside and letting another instance of mass genocide take place.
I’d like to think this recalcitrance, to put it mildly, disqualifies anyone from criticizing American politicians in the 1930s who did nothing to stop the Germans.
Hoi Polloi (b28058) — 2/22/2021 @ 5:54 pm@40-
The West has generally ignored atrocities committed in non-Western countries ever since WW II, and when it has been involved (Kosovo, Libya) they have made the situation worse. Virtually all countries have done the same to their citizens (or populations they have occupied) throughout history.
So China treats its citizens badly, so what? The West didn’t protest the Great Leap Forward or Cultural Revolution campaigns that killed millions. Why start now?
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 2/22/2021 @ 6:03 pmI have come a long way since my younger days and really think we would be better off if we focused more of our governmental efforts – domestic and foreign – on fighting for the basic human dignity of all people.
I’m not saying we have to go to war over the treatment of the Uyghurs, but I’d like to think we could do something to curb their ethnic urge to purge.
Hoi Polloi (b28058) — 2/22/2021 @ 6:08 pmHoi Polloi you’re making a lot of sense today.
Dustin (4237e0) — 2/22/2021 @ 6:10 pmI don’t see any reason Silicon Valley would have an issue with it so I’m missing something here. Would you elaborate?
Every modern IC chip made by any company in the world is fabbed in Taiwan. Even Intel (whcih has more than a dozen increasingly obsolete fabs) is moving its CPU manufacturing to TSMC. Without Taiwan fabs, there are no cell phones, no computer and no graphics devices.
And high-end fabs are incredibly easy to destroy.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 2/22/2021 @ 6:41 pmIn CA? Zero. Or I should say zero divisions armed with anything other than righteous anger.
But he’d be shopping in Russia or east Asia.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 2/22/2021 @ 6:43 pmI’d like to think we could do something to curb their ethnic urge to purge.
Impose a sin tax on imports produced by slave labor, perhaps?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 2/22/2021 @ 6:44 pmI’ll take any comments I can get…even back-handed ones.
Hoi Polloi (b28058) — 2/22/2021 @ 6:52 pmChina has a plan to fix that. The backup plan is taking over Taiwan.
Hoi Polloi (b28058) — 2/22/2021 @ 6:52 pmYeah, we do, because he’s making noises about running again and, at CPAC, he’ll be the one asserting that he controls the GOP.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 2/22/2021 @ 7:20 pmWe don’t know what Biden will actually do with China, but it’s not a high bar to hit them harder than Trump did, which was basically taxing ourselves with tariffs.
CPAC … Young Pharaoh …
Born in Arizona, moved to Babylonia?
What were they thinking in the first place? Did you see his tweets? Did they invite him because he hate Jews, or because rap is now the only way you’ll hear the n-word in public? (Ok, and Quentin Tarantino films, too.)
nk (1d9030) — 2/22/2021 @ 7:29 pmhaha, I wish I was clever enough to get my jokes. I do the same thing to my wife all the time and it’s very unsafe.
Dustin (4237e0) — 2/22/2021 @ 7:34 pmYeah, we do, because he’s making noises about running again and, at CPAC, he’ll be the one asserting that he controls the GOP.
He does– as McCarthy and Scalise showed you.
Essentially, ‘Rockefeller Republicans’ have finally regained control from the loons who failed for decades and fostered the rise of populism because of it. Texas is just their latest dish on the menu. Goes nicely w/a side of ‘moral majority’ and ‘family values’ w/gravy. So, as in 1964, if you cannot lead, will not follow– you either stay and try to persuade from within, leave and try to start a new party– or simply get run over. Extreme conservatism and communism have something in common besides letters: you can’t kill an idea; but it can be contained.
Glorious.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 2/22/2021 @ 7:41 pm@26/@27 The real concern coming from the lowly, out of favor ranks of the Old Guard– is whether they’ll be missed. 74-plus million are betting you won’t be.
The populists essentially say, ‘here’s your hat- what’s your hurry.’ And that’s what you’ll see at CPAC, along w/dozen of hours and tribute and videos to El Rushbo.
OTOH, pathetic scenes of lighting candles, moments of silence and chatter of mask wearing into 2022 isn’t what you’d call a ‘virus shutdown’ any more than sticking valentines on the WH lawn was a sign of bipartisan love. President Plagiarist excels at being Carteresque; expect yellow ribbons ’round the old oak trees for Easter.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 2/22/2021 @ 7:58 pmAnd Kamala smiles.
Dustin (4237e0) — 2/22/2021 @ 7:59 pmOh, so we aren’t to criticize him? Not even as we are see the consequences of his decisions? Consider the current state of the Republican Party. This is on him. I didn’t like being shushed while he was the president and I don’t like it now. Perhaps if more people had spoken up, we wouldn’t have had to go through four years of Trump and we wouldn’t see the GOP co-opted by Trump and in complete disarray.
Dana (fd537d) — 2/22/2021 @ 8:21 pmHeh.
Allahpundit savors the multiple layers of irony:
Dave (1bb933) — 2/22/2021 @ 8:28 pmCult 45ers
This became even funnier when I realized Trump was the 45th president.
I like your sentiment, HCI.
norcal (01e272) — 2/22/2021 @ 8:31 pmYoung Pharaoh was probably the last gasp of the Jared criminal justice reform/bling strategy, which was blamed for losing Trump the unrecalcitrant racist vote i.e. the Jon Tanton vote in MI.
urbanleftbehind (79ed1b) — 2/22/2021 @ 9:13 pmGood grief:
Dana (fd537d) — 2/22/2021 @ 9:53 pmDana and another 10 to 15% of republican voters who don’t believe the election was stolen also support trump because they are populists.
asset (b4e611) — 2/23/2021 @ 12:33 amAh, Donald J. Trump. Giving the Democrats permanent majorities again. Hopefully not for a generation this time. 2022 is going to be another bloodbath…in the primaries, before the pro-Trump candidates get walloped in the general.
Maybe by 2024, well 2032 would be the end of the Kamala Harris presidency, that’s the power of incumbency. So hey, that’s the opportunity, turn it around in 2032.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (1367c0) — 2/23/2021 @ 2:23 amNone of Trump’s bold populist initiatives did jack…..an ever bigger wall just distracted from pursuing economic disincentives for illegal immigration….the trade war with China fizzled as we showed them stinkin’ commies how we could tax ourselves with tariffs…..renegotiated NAFTA looks strikingly like the old NAFTA with some slop to the auto industry…..avoiding TPP opened more markets…to the Chinese…..and broad tax cuts without spending cuts…or even the promise of spending cuts….have ballooned the deficit. Trump promised massive infrastructure spending but really didn’t mean it. He did protect big oil and big coal….and was the fracking President……which is good…but still misses the need to have a national energy policy….and a plan to modernize our grid. But Trump’s populists don’t really want to do a report card…they just want to strut and cancel. I’m convinced that it will take a national crisis to shake this Trump mania and compel the average Joe voter to return to smarts and competence….
AJ_Liberty (a4ff25) — 2/23/2021 @ 4:33 amAgain, yours is a forward looking statement, not based on what he’s done/not done but on what you think he will do.
When he screws up we can criticize him. Just like we’re doing for Trump and his failure to execute his vision for how to deal with China. He is history, but only by a month. At this point in time we’re living with Trump’s policies and choices. Next year this time we’ll be seeing what Biden has done/not done.
This part is wrong BTW. China didn’t make you buy goods that weren’t designed or manufactured here. That was a choice you, and other consumers made. We’re still making them as a matter of fact. While there are some exceptions most things are still designed and made locally if you’re willing to look for them and pay the premium.
But I’m going to guess that when you look at your clothes, furniture, cooking and eating utensil, we’ll find that your revealed preferences put American Made below other considerations like cost and style.
Time123 (441f53) — 2/23/2021 @ 4:35 amWhile I think you’re mistaken from time to time I enjoy talking with you.
Time123 (441f53) — 2/23/2021 @ 4:38 amHit submit too soon.
I enjoy talking with you because you seem honest, thoughtful, and your concerns a valid.
Time123 (441f53) — 2/23/2021 @ 4:42 amIf they polled Roger Stone vs. Liz Cheney, how would they do in the current Republican Party? I would put my money on the dude with the Nixon tattoo.
noel (9fead1) — 2/23/2021 @ 4:43 am1. International trade is complicated and anyone that tells you they have a simple and obvious solution is wrong.
2. Capitalism works well in large part because it’s the expression of what people want. One segment of the population trying to make populism work when most people don’t want it is doomed to fail. In our country where many people strongly oppose populism and populist institutions, unions for example, it’s doomed to fail really fast.
3. The part that Trump very effectively used is in telling people that other people; Illegal immigrants, ‘elites’, China, etc were the source of the problem and that by ‘fighting them’ he could improve the economic situation his supporters. But he didn’t accomplish that.
4. I doubt that Biden has a better answer.
Time123 (457a1d) — 2/23/2021 @ 4:55 amthe quote should have come between 3 and 4, not after 4.
Time123 (457a1d) — 2/23/2021 @ 4:57 am“It’s rare that I’m accused of something I’m not guilty of.” Roger Stone.
Of course he would get a Trump pardon. And Cheney? The back of Trump’s hand. Can you imagine how the reception for the two would differ at CPAC?
noel (9fead1) — 2/23/2021 @ 5:04 amKevin M (ab1c11) — 2/22/2021 @ 6:41 pm
According to this, ITC data says Hong Kong, China, and Taiwan are 1, 2, and 3. It’s not hard to argue China might see a hostile takeover as easier than investing to grow it’s domestic position.
I’m still not sure what the Valley would do other than jump to help China resolve any supply chain issues. The only people who really complain about China are lumped in with the populists and nationalists and for all their complaining even they are still buying cheap stuff made in China.
frosty (f27e97) — 2/23/2021 @ 6:11 amTime123 (441f53) — 2/23/2021 @ 4:35 am
I try but a lot of American Made is also Proudly by Unions so it’s the noose or a slow poison.
frosty (f27e97) — 2/23/2021 @ 6:16 amDo you consider yourself a populist? If so, why the dislike of unions? It’s pretty clear from the available data that they were effective at driving profits from owners to workers.
Time123 (235fc4) — 2/23/2021 @ 6:36 amIt’s not just big tech in silicon valley. Cars, boats, most appliances and much of our industrial machinery all use IC chips.
Time123 (235fc4) — 2/23/2021 @ 6:37 amNo China did not force me, but honestly at this point, I have no choice when it comes to many products. If I want a “Made in the USA” television, I can’t find one. I believe Zenith was the last company to manufacture a TV in the US. That was a long time ago. Ditto for most electronics at this point.
And yes, in some cases you can find US-made products, but those come at a premium. While I am lucky enough to be able to afford some NC-manufactured furniture when I need it, many cannot. Ironically, the people who cannot are the people who lost their jobs to China.
And now that China has cornered the market on low-skill manufacturing jobs, they are gunning for the jobs for which the US still holds primacy. Jobs that the upper-middle class hold.
Hoi Polloi (093fb9) — 2/23/2021 @ 6:43 amElectronics is the big item that isn’t make locally.
But China cornered the market on low skilled labor for furniture, clothing and other house hold goods because people wanted the better price. You sill do. You just said so. People buy a lot of stuff. If you want locally made stuff you have to pay a premium and you get less of it which means Less variety or you have to keep it longer. It’s worse now, because American Made is in a lot of cases an aspect of a luxury or high end brand. The people have spoken and they’re getting what they want.
Here’s a link to a company that does American Made clothing. I have their hoodie. It’s really awesome and well made, but you pay for it.
Time123 (653992) — 2/23/2021 @ 6:50 amOn the plus side, think of all the cool products and ideas we’ll have when China has as high a percentage of engieers etc as we do.
Time123 (653992) — 2/23/2021 @ 6:51 am41. Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 2/22/2021 @ 6:03 pm
The only thing the United States did was they absolutely boycotted it.
And then Nixon goes and makes a trip to China and says nothing and that’s considered a good thing.
Of course, General Dougkas McArthur wanted to overthrow them in 1951 when they at the start of their tyranny. . But it would have been a very big war and maybe even risked even worse.
The United States though, undertook to proclaim that Mao’s China would take any more territory. There was even a crisis over two small islands in 1958 and 1959.
Not so with Tibet, because they already ruled it since 1951 although not so harshly as it became in 1959.
At that time people could still escape to Hong Kong – I am not sure when that stopped. For their own reasons, the Communists did not want to take over Hong Kong and Macao. They refused to take Macao in 1974.
After Mao died, and the Gang of Four failed to succeed things got a little better. The government actually was nearly overthrown in April 1976 after Chou En Lai died but when Mao was still alive. It wasn’t only June, 1989.
Sammy Finkelman (125d6f) — 2/23/2021 @ 6:55 amHoi Polloi (093fb9) — 2/23/2021 @ 6:43 am
China is now losing that to other countries.
Sammy Finkelman (125d6f) — 2/23/2021 @ 7:02 amTime123 (235fc4) — 2/23/2021 @ 6:36 am
That is an odd question. Populism is the bread and butter of pro-union propaganda. They argue for “the people” aka the workers against “the elite” aka the owners. What unions aren’t about is the freedom of the individual.
Unions in theory are collectivists and that always comes with a collection of issues. In practice they’ve done some good but there is also a lot of union propaganda about the good they’ve done which isn’t true and they’ve shown themselves to be easily corrupted and highly politicized, which is one of the issues associated with collectivists. My experience with unions has also been bad.
I’d say this driving of the profits is more of a short term thing. Given time unions become profit killing parasites.
frosty (f27e97) — 2/23/2021 @ 7:21 amTime123 (235fc4) — 2/23/2021 @ 6:37 am
I’m not arguing that we don’t depend on IC’s. I’m saying China is the #2 producer and wants to be #1. A common business tactic for doing that is “acquiring” #3. I’m also not hearing about anything that will be done about it other than produce some strongly worded press releases.
frosty (f27e97) — 2/23/2021 @ 7:25 amCan i assume your answer is “no i’m not a populist”?
Time123 (235fc4) — 2/23/2021 @ 7:40 amThe election was stolen? A belief held by a majority of Republicans and almost all of CPAC participants. Then there is the Deep State, Qanon and Birthirism too. Opposing the use of masks and testing during a pandemic?
How did CPAC get so far from normal? The Republican Party so whacky? The only explanation I can find is in their supporters’ media choices. Much of the public, and especially conservatives, are searching for confirmation in their news. Obviously, I am not alone in thinking that. But what is the answer?
It’s been discussed here before and I know that the Fairness Doctrine was also a nightmare. It’s demise may have led to Rush.
Then came Fox News and Sean Hannity, who I welcomed at the time. But they are not selling the truth anymore. Far from it.
Other news services certainly lean liberal. That is the truth. But I wouldn’t accuse them of the same level of deception. Most news outlets are exposing lies, not covering them up, even if they are liberal in their outlook. Trump may have spouted 20,000 lies – give or take a few thousand. Fox News did not make it their job to challenge those lies.
But I don’t know what to do about it. I just don’t have the answer.
noel (9fead1) — 2/23/2021 @ 7:57 amNo. Rich people want a better price.
Poor people need it.
Hoi Polloi (093fb9) — 2/23/2021 @ 8:10 amYup. And as China gets better at electronics and other high-tech jobs, they will let more and more of that low-skill manufacturing go.
Hoi Polloi (093fb9) — 2/23/2021 @ 8:16 amCollective action problem.
Time123 (235fc4) — 2/23/2021 @ 8:20 amA solution would be…tariffs?
Hoi Polloi (093fb9) — 2/23/2021 @ 8:47 amhttps://www.foxnews.com/media/naomi-wolf-tucker-clinton-adviser-biden-lockdowns
Go figure, someone on the left admitting the truth and the danger facing America due to these unconstitutional actions done to “save us” from ourselves.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 2/23/2021 @ 8:49 amHasn’t been shown to be. I posted some information up thread on that.
Time123 (653992) — 2/23/2021 @ 9:03 amunconstitutional actions done to “save us” from ourselves.
Unconstitutional or not, I don’t see it as “saving me” from myself, I see it as saving me and the people I love from the consequences of Trump’s corruption and his supporters’ abysmal degeneracy.
And, anyway, the Chinese government is extending trademark protection to Ivanka Kushner’s Uighur slave labor-made schlock, so everything balances out, like Ying and Yang.
nk (1d9030) — 2/23/2021 @ 9:04 amI’m pretty sure that a contagious and dangerous disease isn’t ‘ourselves’.
Time123 (653992) — 2/23/2021 @ 9:05 amDo you remember when the motherf***ing orange baboon bragged that if he wasn’t the greatest President since Hammurabi we would have have “tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands” dead Americans from Covid? I remember! Well, we have half a million, and it’s been less than a year!
nk (1d9030) — 2/23/2021 @ 9:22 amTime123 (235fc4) — 2/23/2021 @ 7:40 am
I was asked how I identified the other day. I’ll try to give an answer consistent with that.
If I read the Wikipedia entry for populist I’m not sure I can answer easily but I’d be closer to no I’m not a populist than yes. If you mean demagoguery then no. If you mean “us” good “them” evil then no. If you mean “appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups” maybe but maybe not since “people” and “elite groups” is starting to sound like demagoguery. If you mean “refer[ing] to popular engagement of the population in political decision making” then you’ve hit on a very good question that leads to more questions.
frosty (f27e97) — 2/23/2021 @ 10:08 amI’m convinced that it will take a national crisis to shake this Trump mania and compel the average Joe voter to return to smarts and competence….
Yes, America needs another FDR.
DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 2/23/2021 @ 11:21 amSen. Ron Johnson Said “Fake” Trump Supporters Started The Capitol Riots
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Johnson made the comments as Capitol Hill security chiefs testified before a Senate committee investigating how rioters were able to breach the Capitol on Jan. 6.
Both Democrat and Republican senators spent their time grilling security heads on the logistics of what went wrong, before Johnson read a lengthy passage from a piece published in the right-wing website the Federalist titled “I Saw Provocateurs at the Capitol Riot on Jan. 6” by J. Michael Waller.
Waller claimed, without evidence, that people “whom I presumed to be Antifa or other leftist agitators” were the ones who attacked police officers and turned “unsuspecting marchers into an invading mob.” He described the Trump-supporting crowd as overwhelmingly peaceful and included a section about how they did not even litter.
BuzzFeed News was on the ground outside the Capitol on Jan. 6 and witnessed hundreds of Trump supporters attacking the Capitol, as well as media and police, carrying Trump signs and waving Trump flags. Many of the rioters who have been charged for the insurrection have explicitly said that they are Trump supporters who came to DC prepared for a fight and went into the Capitol because they believed Trump was directing them to. Joseph Padilla, who is charged among other things with joining a group that attacked police with a giant Trump sign with a metal frame, for example, posted on TheDonald after Jan. 6 that he wanted to be clear it was “Patriots” like himself who attacked the Capitol, not “Antifa,” according to charging documents unsealed on Tuesday.
Johnson spent most of his allotted time for questioning witnesses by reading passages from the Federalist piece that painted Trump supporters as overwhelmingly peaceful and made unsubstantiated suggestions that left-wing provocateurs were actually responsible for the attack.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 2/23/2021 @ 11:25 am……..
Sean Hannity is going to have New York Democratic Assemblyman Ron Kim from Queens on his radio show probably in the next haldf hour, Ron Kim;s uncle died in a nursing home and Governor Andrew Cuomo threatended to destroy him if he didn;t back down from something and also withdrew his conformation of what Melissa DeRosa said on a call to some Democrats as to why good figures were not released on nursing home deaths. He wants Cuomo impeached (or rather actually an impeachment investigation) and this is being played up by the New York Post and other right wing media as “Democrats” have now joined in. Some want him censured. More want his emergency powers not extended. But the Assembly may be the stumbling lock to that.
Everybody confirms the way Cuomo talks. De Blasio said last week he believes Kim because he’s gotten calls like that. It never broke through into the news because of fear and because it was off the recprd.
Sammy Finkelman (125d6f) — 2/23/2021 @ 2:13 pmAnn Coulter was asked by Mark Simone on WOR today just before noon about whether she would attend CPAC. She says she doesn’t any more. It is now controlled by a lobbyist (whom she also said was for Chamber of Commerce)
Sammy Finkelman (c95a5a) — 2/24/2021 @ 11:19 am