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2/4/2021

Marjorie Taylor Green Stripped Of Committee Assignments

Filed under: General — Dana @ 4:37 pm



[guest post by Dana]

Because Republicans chose not to do anything, Democrats had to:

The House approved a resolution Thursday that removes embattled GOP Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene from her assigned committees.

The final vote tally was 230-199 and 11 Republicans voted in support of the resolution: Reps. Adam Kinzinger of Illinois, Brian Fitzpatrick of Pennsylvania, John Katko of New York, Nicole Malliotakis of New York, Fred Upton of Michigan, Carlos Gimenez of Florida, Chris Jacobs of New York, Young Kim of California, Maria Salazar of Florida, Chris Smith of New Jersey and Mario Diaz Balart of Florida.

Before the vote, Greene blamed her conspiracy theory beliefs on others:

“I was allowed to believe things that weren’t true.”

Greene said as recently as Tuesday that “I have said that things that I shouldn’t say at some time or another, but I don’t think I have anything to apologize for.”

Confirming yet again that the Republican party is no longer the party of self-responsibility.

–Dana

78 Responses to “Marjorie Taylor Green Stripped Of Committee Assignments”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (fd537d)

  2. Marginalizing Marjorie?

    nk (1d9030)

  3. Confirming yet again that the Republican party is no longer the party of self-responsibility.

    –Dana

    I wouldn’t go that far, unless you are going to paint the whole Democrat Party with the thoughts and beliefs of their kookiest and most far-out members. When AOC says that Congress instituted a term limit on the presidency to prevent FDR from being elected again – does that mean the Democrat Party is the party of the historically stupid?

    The GOP can’t police each and every member. Neither can the Democrats.

    If both parties want to get rid of their problem children, they may want to end gerrymandering.

    Hoi Polloi (139bf6)

  4. Akshually, the toothless tabby (that would be the Republicans) standing up to the Democrats even for as putrescent a mouse as Taylor-Greene is not something I can honestly cavil with.

    nk (1d9030)

  5. Thank G-d we can depend on the moral sensibilities of the Democratic Party to be a beacon of light in these dark times.

    Jerryskids (999ce8)

  6. The left just following Alinsky’s rules of freezing a target, polarizing it, etc. And some are just playing right along.

    Meanwhile Biden is passing orders that are destroying our economic future and stability and the left is going donkey chompers wild in their shutdown of opposing speech.

    Carry on.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  7. The left just following Alinsky’s rules of freezing a target, polarizing it, etc. And some are just playing right along.

    Yeah, you think that’s what’s going on.

    “I was allowed to believe things that weren’t true.”

    She’s being cancelled because Facebook didn’t cancel those pesky QAnons thereby allowing a fool like MTG to be exposed to obvious lies because she’s too stupid to know.

    It’s Facebook’s fault for not censoring, or something.

    In the age of Trump, intelectual (ha) consistency isn’t really a thing.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (1367c0)

  8. It’s just like Patterico’s post yesterday of the mom who lamented that if only had Trump denounced QAnon earlier she wouldn’t have believed it. It’s always somebody’s else’s fault.

    Rip Murdock (3ba0dc)

  9. It’s interesting that only 3 of the 10 GOPers who voted to impeach Trump went along with stripping MTG of her committee assignments. Judging by her reaction on her social media accounts, she is going to be playing victim loudly for the next 2 years. I don’t think McCarthy will be able to control her to the same extent that Pelosi at least nominally does to the so-called “the Squad”. In a way, the Dems couldn’t have asked for a better outcome. They’ll be licking their chops in 2022, as MTG is going to make life a living hell for the House GOP conference for the next couple of years.

    HCI (92ea66)

  10. Like AOSmollett with her lies about Jan 6th and trying to stir up her rabid fans to attack Ted Cruz and anyone that calls out her lies.

    She get penalized for that?

    NJRob (75db44)

  11. @NJRob@6 The only people who care about Alinsky (or George Soros) are over 60 far-right people. They aren’t actually a thing out in normal society, just carboard boogiemen that gets waved at a gullible far-right audience to give them some to blame and boo at.

    Nic (896fdf)

  12. The 10 who voted to impeach did so on a perceived sense of principle; the 11 who voted to strip committee assignments from MTG tended to be from outer urban (e.g. Staten Island) to near exurban districts (Kinzinger) where MTG might not play well .

    urbanleftbehind (ce5eec)

  13. Nic,

    the stats say Alinsky is more relevant than Qanon, but that won’t stop you from dismissing one and considering the other the threat of the ages.

    After all, modern leftist policy is just using Alinsky tactics.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  14. Rip,

    AP and other “factcheck” sites are bending over backwards to give the liar the benefit of the doubt. No surprise. That’s their agenda.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  15. She’s the same liar that stages a photo of her crying in front of a fence in an empty parking lot to pretend it was illegal aliens children in cages.

    Guess what. Biden’s back to doing just that.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  16. I agree with NJRob. Both about Saul Alinsky and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. That jumped-up cocktail waitress lady is all stunts, half-truths, and outright lies. That chasing after David Hogg that Taylor-Greene is accused of? Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was doing it to her primary opponent in New York three years before. It’s what those kind of women do.

    nk (1d9030)

  17. Welcome to the back row of the back bench, Ms. Greene. You’re right where you belong.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  18. “She’s the same liar that stages a photo of her crying in front of a fence in an empty parking lot to pretend it was illegal aliens children in cages.”

    Trump supporter very concerned about lies.

    Davethulhu (6ba00b)

  19. Seriously, basically no one my age or younger who isn’t a far right person knows anything about Alinsky other than as a far-right boogieman (and probably that’s all that most far right people my age know). He was dead before we were born and he wasn’t on the school curriculum. He doesn’t come up in philosophical conversation and only comes up in political conversation with far right people. He isn’t relevant.

    I can’t tell if Alinsky will be more relevant than Quanon over time. Ask me in 50 years. If people are still complaining about either of them I’d be surprised. I’d like to think that Qanon has less than 5 years but the Qanon crazies will just move on to being some other kind of crazies, so who knows if it will be an improvement or not.

    Nic (896fdf)

  20. After all, modern leftist policy is just using Alinsky tactics.

    NJRob (eb56c3) — 2/4/2021 @ 8:03 pm

    As is modern rightist policy.

    Demosthenes (d7fc81)

  21. The left just following Alinsky’s rules of freezing a target, polarizing it, etc. And some are just playing right along.

    Meanwhile Biden is passing orders that are destroying our economic future and stability and the left is going donkey chompers wild in their shutdown of opposing speech.

    Carry on.

    NJRob (eb56c3) — 2/4/2021 @ 5:40 pm

    How one transitions from paragraph 1 to paragraph 2 without even a hint of irony…

    Wow.

    Demosthenes (d7fc81)

  22. …the Qanon crazies will just move on to being some other kind of crazies, so who knows if it will be an improvement or not.

    Nic (896fdf) — 2/4/2021 @ 9:43 pm

    Hopefully, they don’t move on before we can monetize the crazy. I’m working up a design for a tinfoil yarmulke with a Star of David on top. (So the Jewish space lasers will pass over you, you know.)

    Demosthenes (d7fc81)

  23. Sorry, I disagree with this. Not to defend her, but to defend Congress from this becoming yet another tit for tat. Just wait until the GOP retakes Congress (yes, it will) and AOC, Rashida Tlaib and the rest of the Squad is in front of the retribution of the Republicans.

    Shorter: cancel culture comes to Congress. I do not cheer.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  24. Of course, when that happens I will be surprised if the Democrats’ apologists here do not bemoan the lack of comity.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  25. “I truly believe that the majority claiming a new right to be able to exercise a veto over minority committee assignments will ultimately be dangerous for this institution,” said Representative Tom Cole of Oklahoma, the top Republican on the House Rules Committee. “A change in norms away from an institution built on mutual consent and toward an institution where the majority holds a veto power over everything, including committee assignments, is ultimately an institution that cannot function.”

    Which is principle here, and which is political cowardice?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  26. NJRob-
    Do you have a source for your contention that AOC lied, or is this just another fact free assertion on your part?

    Rip Murdock (3ba0dc)

  27. Not to defend her, but to defend Congress from this becoming yet another tit for tat.

    I agree that it could be another tit for tat, but consider the last two who were stripped of their committee assignments.
    Steve King was an overt racist who literally stated that he saw nothing wrong with white nationalism.
    Ms. Greene is an anti-Semite who said that certain members of Congress should be executed, among multiple other outrageous statements and lies.
    If any Democrat (or other Republican) hits that bar, then by all means, strip that person from any committees. One standard, for God’s sake.

    Paul Montagu (bf534d)

  28. Shorter: cancel culture comes to Congress……

    MTG is not being “cancelled”, she is still a member of Congress, she can still speak on the floor, and she can still introduce legislation, and even pursue her impeachment of President Biden.

    Rip Murdock (3ba0dc)

  29. Do you have a source for your contention that AOC lied, or is this just another fact free assertion on your part?

    I agree that AOC lied in that she misrepresented where she was during the riot, the actual threat in a building that wasn’t stormed by MAGA domestic terrorists, and for intimating that Capitol Police were a threat to her person.
    You know she stepped in it when she felt it necessary to go into damage control mode by speaking in the House today about her reverence for Capitol Police.
    If anything, I think The Dispatch was being charitable about her dishonesty. I saw her little video on MSNBC, and she made it sound like domestic terrorists were about to break down her door. Turned out her act was goddam performance art.

    Paul Montagu (bf534d)

  30. Marjorie taylor greene is now a martyr to the populists who control the republican party. The bush/romney wing of republican party and their corporate donor class and media intellectual running dogs think that their small minority can buy their way back into power. Wrong! Ducy and cindy mccain have just been censored by az g.q.p. and ben sasse in nebraska is next!

    asset (9df044)

  31. “Of course, when that happens I will be surprised if the Democrats’ apologists here do not bemoan the lack of comity.”

    There’s no comity to be had with someone who believes that Democrats should be convicted by a military tribunal and executed.

    Davethulhu (6ba00b)

  32. It’s funny because Patterico made a twitter post about this exact argument.

    Davethulhu (6ba00b)

  33. The fact that 199 Republicans (including Cheney) voted to not remove Greene from her committee assignments reveals how deeply invested the party is in lies, lies and damned conspiracies. Or actually it proves how afraid they are of primary voters who believe the lies, lies and damned conspiracies.

    It’s all about primary politics. Representatives have to run for re-election every two years. They’re not so much concerned about the vote in November as they are about the votes in the summer and fall leading up to the election. If they don’t win the primary, they can’t win the election.

    Greene has enjoyed a splurge of small dollar donations over the last few weeks. That’s what these Republicans are looking at, thinking that small dollar donors are most likely to be voters, and they can’t afford to alienate them. In their subservience to Trump, I mean.

    Meanwhile, large dollar (corporate) donors are withholding funds. It’s a very difficult needle for Republicans to thread. Corporations do not vote, but they do make large donations. And politicians need all the money they can get to run a campaign. The more the Grand Old Party becomes the QOP (QAnon Obsequious Party), the more donors (large and small) and voters they will lose.

    The American people are not stupid. It might take them a while, but they will recognize the lies and repudiate the conspiracies. As Churchill famously said, “The Americans will always do the right thing, after they have exhausted all other options.”

    The Republican party is in ruin. The more it moves from GOP to QOP, the more marginalized it becomes, the more elections it will lose.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  34. When did AOC say she was in the Capitol. And when did she say that the building she was in was being stormed by insurrectionists?

    And though saying that term limits for presidents was meant to stop FDR from being president is technically a problem since he was dead, it does get the point that Republicans pushed the amendment because they were pissed that FDR won four terms:

    But talk about a presidential term-limits amendment started in 1944 when Republican candidate Thomas Dewey said a potential 16-year term for Roosevelt was a threat to democracy. In a speech in Buffalo on October 31, 1944, Dewey said, “four terms or sixteen years is the most dangerous threat to our freedom ever proposed. That is one reason why I believe that two terms must be established as the limit by constitutional amendment.”

    In March 1947, a Republican-controlled Congress approved the 22nd amendment, with an exception that would exclude a president in office from term limits during the ratification process. It took until February 1951 to get enough states to ratify the amendment, and President Harry Truman decided to opt against running for a third term. Since then, some members of Congress have introduced efforts to repeal the 22nd Amendment, but they haven’t made it out of committee.

    https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/fdrs-third-term-decision-and-the-22nd-amendment

    So AOC was pointing out, in imprecise language, that the 22nd amendment was a move by R’s to stop people like FDR from becoming president. Your “gotcha” claim that she’s purely stupid and on some kind of level like MTG is nonsense.

    It’s amazing how AOC triggers R’s these days, given the number of posts I see various places on right wing media pretty much calling her a witch. No wonder she’s scared for her life.

    Victor (4959fb)

  35. So AOC was pointing out, in imprecise language, that the 22nd amendment was a move by R’s to stop people like FDR from becoming president. Your “gotcha” claim that she’s purely stupid and on some kind of level like MTG is nonsense.

    So AOC wasn’t flat-out wrong, or lying. She was…imprecise. Got it.

    She’s a histrionic hack. When she’s not lying – like staging a tear-filled photo in an empty parking lot and labeling it a camp for immigrants – she’s exaggerating or is too stupid to know she is wrong.

    Hoi Polloi (139bf6)

  36. Hoi,

    I remember being told by my betters we should take politicians seriously, not literally. I assume you continue to believe that Obama really thought there were 57 states.

    Flat out wrong? You tell me why the 22nd amendment was passed when it did?

    Victor (4959fb)

  37. Also, your claim about AOC crying over a parking lot is wrong:

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/aoc-empty-parking-lot/

    It’s a piece of right wing propaganda amplified by Russian outlets.

    I can think of reasons why AOC infuriates so many right wing commenters but I probably shouldn’t speculate about other people’s issues.

    Victor (4959fb)

  38. Flat out wrong? You tell me why the 22nd amendment was passed when it did?
    Victor (4959fb) — 2/5/2021 @ 4:37 am

    It wasn’t to stop FDR from being elected again, as AOC clearly stated. She’s an idiot.

    She suffers from the corollary of Stolen Valor – Stolen Trauma. She’s quick to insist she has suffered this and that from events that never happened to her. The cherry on top is she’s so stupid when it comes to historical fact.

    She’s an idiot.

    Hoi Polloi (139bf6)

  39. Why was the 22nd amendment passed? You who are so smart about historical facts can be certain to explain it carefully.

    Why do you say a traumatic event didn’t happen to her? How often have you had to hide in a room out of fear people were coming to kill you?

    Do you admit your parking lot story is wrong?

    Is there a reason why you find AOC particularly repellant, as opposed to, say, Trump or MTG?

    Victor (4959fb)

  40. Do you admit your parking lot story is wrong?

    This very morning, not more than half an hour ago, tears came into my eyes as I looked towards the slaughter and starvation in Yemen.

    Should I tell you that I was looking from my front stoop in Chicago, facing southeast and having a cigarette in sub-zero wind chill?

    That was the quality of the artfully deceptive photo that AOC published. She did attempt, very hard, with intent to mislead, to give the impression that there were child prisoners in wire cages just a few feet from her, and Snopes can go burn a barn.

    nk (1d9030)

  41. The 22nd Amendment was definitely a reactionary reaction to FDR’s four terms, but since FDR died in 1945 and the Amendment was introduced in 1947, it was not to keep him from running again. On this one, I’ll give the bar-maid the benefit of the doubt that she is not lying but merely as ignorant as her constituents.

    nk (1d9030)

  42. AOC is interesting because, at least on twitter, she really seems to get a different temperature of anger from weird people.

    She is a clumsy politician, she does dramatic stuff all the time that doesn’t seem that important, except it infuriates a lot of people, fuelling AOC as a champion fighter or whatever.

    The GOP is in shambles and focusing attention on one rep is probably a welcome diversion from the partisan. She is a gift to the GOP, and the GOP is a gift to her. It’s beautiful like those pilot fish that eat a shark’s parasites.

    You could easily say that if you were locked up in the Canon building you were scared because you did not know if the rioters were going to come harm you. By exaggerating, AOC has republicans rolling their eyes at the sacking of the capitol. Think about that. Trump did the same thing, with democrats foolishly rolling their eyes at crumbling disorder in some cities.

    AOC and Trump are symptoms of the same general issue.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  43. Dana, I think this is the wrong thing to do.

    Congresswoman Greene is some combination of dishonest and insane. But that was clear when her constituents voted for her so that’s what her voters wanted. I don’t think she should be allowed institutional power within the GOP. But I do think she should be afforded all the rights and privilege’s of a member of congress. I know the bare minimum is voting and they haven’t refused to seat her. But I think this is too far.

    Democracy works because people believe it works. Having the GOP strip her of her committee seats because she spent years asserting that school shootings were hoaxes, or that HRC skinned a child and wore it’s face like a mask, or that the Rothchilds started the CA forest fires from outer space is fine. It’s what they should have done. She’s part of the GOP and that’s an internal choice.

    The Dems doing it as the majority party isn’t the same thing. The GOP has become a party of grievance, conspiracy theories, and resentment unrestrained by facts or rationality. There’s no reason to expect their leaders or right wing media to honestly explain what happened. This will not be presented as “She was removed from Committee due to her history of saying crazy things.” It will be sold as “She was kicked off committee because they don’t like her or you.”

    I think the damage of kicking this trashbag off committee will be far worse then the damage she could cause on committee.

    Time123 (89dfb2)

  44. Hoi, I don’t actually think you give much a damn about Yemen, so there’s that.

    But in this case she didn’t stage the photograph and she was as close to the children being held prisoner as she could be, and there’s not a reason in the world to think her emotion was faked.

    All you got is bad faith. Provide me with actual evidence, you know like words or text or stuff, showing that she was trying “very hard”, to mislead.

    nk, she knows more about the basis for the 22nd amendment than about 95 % of the American population but she gets ahead of her skis when it comes to details. I don’t see how this makes her worse than most of the other Congress people.

    Dustin, I agree she’s clumsy. Also that she’s the pet hate object of the GOP because she enjoys taunting them. But I disagree about her exaggerating. I don’t see any reason to think she wasn’t honestly scared when she is abruptly told to hide for fear of the insurrectionists. And given that she is the GOP’s pet hate object, she has more reason than most to fear for her personal safety.

    And it’s bizarre to me to compare this with Trump, whose outrage at crumbling disorder was always histronic theatrical ranting for political advantage and who was never in any particular danger himself at any point (and no having demonstrators out in the park in front of the WH wouldn’t be a particularly good example)

    Victor (4959fb)

  45. AOC is interesting because, at least on twitter, she really seems to get a different temperature of anger from weird people.

    She is a clumsy politician, she does dramatic stuff all the time that doesn’t seem that important, except it infuriates a lot of people, fuelling AOC as a champion fighter or whatever.

    The GOP is in shambles and focusing attention on one rep is probably a welcome diversion from the partisan. She is a gift to the GOP, and the GOP is a gift to her. It’s beautiful like those pilot fish that eat a shark’s parasites.

    You could easily say that if you were locked up in the Canon building you were scared because you did not know if the rioters were going to come harm you. By exaggerating, AOC has republicans rolling their eyes at the sacking of the capitol. Think about that. Trump did the same thing, with democrats foolishly rolling their eyes at crumbling disorder in some cities.

    AOC and Trump are symptoms of the same general issue.

    Dustin (4237e0) — 2/5/2021 @ 5:28 am

    Dustin, I think that issue is tribalism. Trump, and to a lesser extent AOC, are pure mascots for their Tribe.

    Time123 (89dfb2)

  46. The left just following Alinsky’s rules of freezing a target, polarizing it, etc. And some are just playing right along.

    Meanwhile Biden is passing orders that are destroying our economic future and stability and the left is going donkey chompers wild in their shutdown of opposing speech.

    Carry on.

    NJRob (eb56c3) — 2/4/2021 @ 5:40 pm

    Alinsky’s rules for radicals are neither original nor unique to the left. They’re not really a philosophy or ideology, they’re a list of tactics.

    I assume you bring it up to discredit someone by association with a bad person. But the cultural impact of Alinsky has faded to the point most people don’t have any emotional reaction to the man. He just wasn’t important enough to be relevant 40 years later. So accusing someone of agreeing with Alinsky doesn’t really do much Rhetorically in the way a comparison to Lenin would.

    Time123 (53ef45)

  47. “She did attempt, very hard, with intent to mislead, to give the impression that there were child prisoners in wire cages just a few feet from her”, was from me, not Hoi Polloi, Victor.

    I base it on the way the photograph was marketed, during the days after it was taken, to give the complained-of false impression. Which false impression neither she nor her companions corrected — it was debunked by others.

    nk (1d9030)

  48. And I’ll tell you all, right now, it feels good to beat up on Democrats for a change. So … how about that Newsom 100,000 signatures away from a recall vote?

    nk (1d9030)

  49. Nic,

    the stats say Alinsky is more relevant than Qanon, but that won’t stop you from dismissing one and considering the other the threat of the ages.

    After all, modern leftist policy is just using Alinsky tactics.

    NJRob (eb56c3) — 2/4/2021 @ 8:03 pm

    Qanaon isn’t a threat for the ages. It’s a problem of the moment because too many people in the GOP base bought into the stupid thing and some of tem appear to have launched a terror attack on the US capital. We’re fortunate both that they’re not very competent people and there was no one competent to use what they did.

    It’s rapidly fading as even the most deranged supporters are faced with reality. Trump and his team were able to use it, but as I said in another thread we’re going to rapidly move to the point where no one on the right has heard of it and it was probably something the left made up / exaggerated as a smear attack.

    But, it was insane and damaging and it can be used to identify garbage people who encouraged it such and Green, Boebert and Flynn.

    Earlier this year, Boebert said in an interview that she was “very familiar” with the QAnon conspiracy theory, but she stopped just short of saying she was a follower.

    However, she did say: “Everything that I’ve heard of Q, I hope that this is real because it only means that America is getting stronger and better, and people are returning to conservative values.”

    Time123 (53ef45)

  50. Hoi, my apologies, I did not look closely enough at the title but just rattled on.

    Nk, Could you provide details on who marketed and what was false about it? I know it’s a bother, but given I don’t spend much time in right wing news sites, I am really at a loss to understand.

    And not bothering to correct every stupid thing said about one, particularly if you’re not even a congressperson yet but just running for office, doesn’t seem particularly grievous to me. And definitely not trying “very hard” to mislead.

    I don’t mind honest criticism of her policies or for that matter rhetoric. It’s the avalanche of bad faith argument that gets irritating.

    Victor (4959fb)

  51. Here’s how MTG addresses her conduct on the House Floor:

    I wasn’t a political person until I found a candidate that I really liked and his name is Donald J. Trump when he ran for President. To me, he was someone I could relate to, someone that I enjoyed his plain talk, not the offensive things, but just the way he talked normally. And I thought, “Finally, maybe this is someone that will do something about the things that deeply bother me.”

    So when we elected President Trump, and then I started seeing things in the news that didn’t make sense to me like Russian collusion, which are conspiracy theories also, and have been proven so, these things bothered me deeply, and I realized just watching CNN or Fox news, I may not find the truth. And so, what I did is I started looking up things on the internet, asking questions, like most people do every day, use Google. And I stumbled across something and this was at the end of 2017 called Anon. Well, these posts were mainly about this Russian collusion information. A lot of it was some of what I would see on the news at night and I got very interested in it, so I posted about it on Facebook. I read about it, I talked about it. I asked questions about it, and then more information came from it. But you see, here’s the problem, throughout 2018, because I was upset about things and didn’t trust the government, really because the people here weren’t doing the things that I thought they should be doing for us, the things that I just told you I cared about. And I want you to know a lot of Americans don’t trust our government and that’s sad.

    The problem with that is though is I was allowed to believe things that weren’t true and I would ask questions about them and talk about them. And that is absolutely what I regret, because if it weren’t for the Facebook posts and comments that I liked in 2018, I wouldn’t be standing here today and you couldn’t point a finger and accuse me of anything wrong because I’ve lived a very good life that I’m proud of. My family’s proud of, my husband’s proud of, my children are proud of and my that’s what my district elected me for. So later in 2018, when I started finding misinformation, lies, things that were not true in these Qanon posts, I stopped believing it. And I want to tell you, any source, and I say this to everyone, any source of information that is a mix of truth and a mix of lies is dangerous no matter what it is saying, what party it is helping, anything or any country it’s about, it’s dangerous.

    And these are the things that happen on the left and the right and it is a true problem in our country. So I walked away from those things and I decided I’m going to do what I’ve done all my life, I’m going to work hard and try to solve the problems that I’m upset about. So I started getting involved in politics…

    She admits that school shootings happen (shares a story where someone brings a gun to school). She admits that 9-11 happened. Then…

    I want to protect our freedoms. This is what I ran for Congress on. I never once said during my entire campaign, QAnon. I never once said any of the things that I am being accused of today during my campaign. I never said any of these things since I have been elected for Congress. These were words of the past and these things do not represent me. They do not represent my district and they do not represent my values.

    She concludes with this bit of stuff:

    Another thing I will say to this body is I want to work with all of you for our people. It should be America first, always, always and there’s nothing wrong with that. And if this Congress is to tolerate members that condone riots that have hurt American people, attack police officers, occupied federal property, burned businesses and cities, but yet wants to condemn me and crucify me in the public square for words that I said, and I regret a few years ago, then I think we’re in a real big problem, a very big problem. What shall we do as Americans? Shall we stay divided like this? We allow the media that is just as guilty as QAnon of presenting truth and lies to divide us? Will we allow ourselves to be addicted to hate and hating one another? I hope not because that’s not the future I want for my children and it’s not the future I want for any of your children. I yield back my time. Thank you.

    Looks like we nevertrumps got something else we can blame Trump for — MTG falling for Q. This will be fun.

    Appalled (1a17de)

  52. Nk, Could you provide details on who marketed and what was false about it? I know it’s a bother, but given I don’t spend much time in right wing news sites, I am really at a loss to understand.

    It’s the impression I, personally, remember getting from AOC-friendly news stories that included the photo, Victor. They would be from the internet, and possibly the Sunday New York Times, I don’t watch television news. Blame me it on my impressionableness, if you wish.

    nk (1d9030)

  53. Democrats had to

    That’s one moral victory. It’s good that the D’s can at least clean up the R side.

    If we’re cleaning up racists and antisemites now are we going after any other members? No? No more moral outrage? Everyone is tired and it’s time for a break?

    frosty (f27e97)

  54. Rip Murdock (3ba0dc) — 2/4/2021 @ 7:38 pm

    AP Factcheck: Ocasio-Cortez didn’t lie about location during Capitol riot

    The Snopes fact-check is an even better tongue bath.

    The response

    However, Ocasio-Cortez never claimed to be in the main Capitol building.

    is the definition of “I didn’t technically lie”.

    That whole story about hiding behind the door and the elaborate drama in her video should embarrass anyone trying to defend her. It’s a good bit of fun watching people twist and spin on this one. Yes, the “fact-checkers” are letting the mask drop again.

    frosty (f27e97)

  55. @53, I don’t fine her new stance Credible. But I’m sure others disagree.

    Time123 (53ef45)

  56. Davethulhu (6ba00b) — 2/4/2021 @ 8:33 pm

    Trump supporter very concerned about lies.

    Wait! I know this one! Let’s see if I can get this right:

    whatabout duly noted

    frosty (f27e97)

  57. QAnon is winding down and historians will probably note that it won’t go down as the most popular conspiracy theory in US history. That title will belong to the JFK Conspiracy Theory, a theory that spawned movies and books and the fancy of several generations of Americans.

    But the media treats that one differently – probably because liberals espouse it. Anything to avoid the inconvenient truth that a liberal shot JFK. Not the mob. Not the Cubans. Not the “deep state.”

    Hoi Polloi (139bf6)

  58. #57

    The people who embrace Q are having some need fulfilled by it. I don’t think all that many believe the whole story. But they would really like to see the left beneath the jackboot, and if this theory makes your base desires become a moral imperative you can sell to yourself? Well, there you go.

    MTG still believes Trump won. That’s a more dangerous belief than anything peddled by Q.

    Appalled (8076c9)

  59. QAnon is winding down and historians will probably note that it won’t go down as the most popular conspiracy theory in US history. That title will belong to the JFK Conspiracy Theory, a theory that spawned movies and books and the fancy of several generations of Americans.

    But the media treats that one differently – probably because liberals espouse it. Anything to avoid the inconvenient truth that a liberal shot JFK. Not the mob. Not the Cubans. Not the “deep state.”

    Hoi Polloi (139bf6) — 2/5/2021 @ 7:40 am

    I think you’re right about JFK being the champ.

    But this, is just nuts.

    But the media treats that one differently – probably because liberals espouse it.

    Last month a group of domestic terrorists, many of them motivated by the Qanaon Consiracy, attacked the US capital. Their expressed goal was to use violence to alter the outcome of the Presidential election. Ahead of that the nutters were gaining influence and prestige as supporters were elected to congress. While running for office, the deranged candidates were endorsed President Trump. Seems like that might justify some coverage for a while.

    Time123 (89dfb2)

  60. Marjorie taylor greene is now a martyr to the populists who control the republican party.

    And she’ll make sure to play drama queen about it on Twitter, Facebook, TikTok, etc. Which is fine. She’s more a performance artist than elected representative.

    Patterico did mention the precedent that was established yesterday but, to me, the standard is still this: If you’re an overt racist like Steve King or a dangerous and complete nut like Ms. Greene, then you too may get stripped of your committee assignments.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  61. MTG is feeling anything but duly chastised this morning:

    I woke up early this morning literally laughing thinking about what a bunch of morons the Democrats (+11) are for giving some one like me free time.

    In this Democrat tyrannical government, Conservative Republicans have no say on committees anyway.

    Oh this is going to be fun!

    Dana (fd537d)

  62. 44. Dustin (4237e0) — 2/5/2021 @ 5:28 am

    You could easily say that if you were locked up in the Canon building you were scared because you did not know if the rioters were going to come harm you.

    The building, in fact, had been ordered evacuated. She didn’t want to go, because she claimed, she didn’t trust all the Republican members of Congress not to try getting her killed. (She didn’t use the excuse of fear of possibly catching Covid if she was confined together with Republicans not wearing masks)

    She wasn’t the only member of Congress who stayed in the building. A female Republican member of Congress also stayed two doors down and she said the situation wasn’t like the way AOC portrayed it. So AOC accused her of lying or misleading.

    There’s a discrepancy between some of what AOC says and what happened. Because she said there were a lot of people demanding to know “where she is” but in reality there was at most one Capitol policeman looking for her, and we don’t have it confirmed that he used those words.

    It is said that when a member of her staff came in and told her it was a Capitol policeman or whatever he said that she went out of the bathroom. And this was maybe half an hour after all the protesters had been chased out of the Capitol building.

    AOC claimed that hiding in the bathroom reminded her of some unspecified abusive situation she was once in, that she’s told only a few people about, so she wasn’t so ready to come out.. (I think that’s what she was saying, based on the snippets I saw)

    Now she claims she had reason to be afraid because (expanding a little on what she has been described as saying) the crowd wouldn’t even have to break anything to get into the Cannon Building – there was and is a basement level tunnel going between the Capitol Building and the Cannon Office building.

    All excuses though.

    News reports have a hard time catching up to and correlating the facts.

    For instance, almost nobody realizes that Trump had been scheduled to appear at the rally at the Capitol! (Trump said that in his speech at the Ellipse, and Alex Jones, with Ali Alexander standing next to him, told the crowd heading to the wrong place that they should go where he was directing them and they’d hear Trump speak. (Now maybe he was making sure there’d be video of him doing that. Does he take a bullhorn to every speaking engagement? Or did he get it from somebody else?)

    So an important question was when and if Trump’s appearance was cancelled, or even whether it had really been in the works at all. Everybody just assumes that Trump and Alex Jones were flat out lying. But this is two different sources, who wouldn’t have the same motive for lying about Trump going there.

    Sammy Finkelman (5b302e)

  63. MTG> Conservative Republicans have no say on committees anyway.

    Of course, she’d be outvoted on anything where she stood alone. But it would give her a platform.

    Keving McCarthy tried to get her switched to the Small Business committee, where she’d maybe be limited to small bore practical issues.

    Sammy Finkelman (5b302e)

  64. 7. Colonel Klink (Ret) (1367c0) — 2/4/2021 @ 6:00 pm

    She’s being cancelled because Facebook didn’t cancel those pesky QAnons thereby allowing a fool like MTG to be exposed to obvious lies because she’s too stupid to know.

    I don;t give her that much credit. She’s not that stupid. If she was, she;d be annoyed with herself and striving to explain how she got taken in.

    she was interested in making a name for herself, and she was playing it safe by only saying what had been said before by others, so she wouldn’t be demolished quickly.

    She repeated stuff.

    She was echoing some things that were designed to fit in well with anti-semitic nonsense.

    Sammy Finkelman (5b302e)

  65. I woke up early this morning literally laughing thinking about what a bunch of morons the Democrats (+11) are for giving some one like me free time.

    I miss happyfeet.

    nk (1d9030)

  66. MTG is feeling anything but duly chastised this morning:
    I woke up early this morning literally laughing thinking about what a bunch of morons the Democrats (+11) are for giving some one like me free time.
    In this Democrat tyrannical government, Conservative Republicans have no say on committees anyway.

    Oh this is going to be fun!

    Dana (fd537d) — 2/5/2021 @ 8:01 am

    A prefect reaction for the representative of the resentment wing of the GOP. She’s thrilled at the press and couldn’t care less about any actual work as a congressional rep. She seems to believe her base will be more interested in the perceived slight then anything else.

    Time123 (89dfb2)

  67. Steve King was an overt racist who literally stated that he saw nothing wrong with white nationalism.

    In earlier cases it was the GOP that took the action. The situation when the majority polices the minority is far different than when the minority (or majority) polices itself. The argument that the GOP didn’t do it’s job is valid, but when you continue to “so we have to” you change the rules to mere majoritarianism.

    It is certainly within the power of the majority to do what they did here, but not all powers need to be use, and often should not be.

    The problem anyway is not MTG, it is the terrible lack of comity that already exists, from DC to the local polling booth. Even if MTG decides to hang it up, and she might, her district tends to vote for people like her and the next one will be just like her. A previous Congressman from the same general area was elected to lead the John Birch Society while in office.

    This kind of thing has happened before. When they refused to seat Adam Clayton Powell (unconstitutionally, as it turned out), he won the special election but declined to take his seat. He then won re-election and was seated.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  68. Ducy and cindy mccain have just been censored by az gop.

    An organization run by a wingnut who was elected through fraud. Keli Ward will continue to turn the AZ GOP into third party, spending all its time in internal fights over purity. When they start losing statewide elections 60-40 I’m sure they’ll blame it on “Californians.”

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  69. It’s funny because Patterico made a twitter post about this exact argument.

    I have never found Twitter to be interesting. Bumper-sticker messaging.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  70. The more it moves from GOP to QOP, the more marginalized it becomes, the more elections it will lose.

    Name other Q members, who call for executions or assert that Pelosi drinks baby-blood. Just thinking there is one or more “Deep State” networks among apparatchiks isn’t enough, especially when thinking there are no such is the indefensible position.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  71. MTG is feeling anything but duly chastised this morning

    They have put a spotlight on her, thinking this will make her act out less.

    But actually she’s doing exactly what the Democrats want, for all their pearl-clutching. They want her to become the face of the GOP as it helps their propaganda, just like the GOP liked AOC before the Democrats told her to STFU. After all, they need to replace Trump in their fundraising.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  72. Kevin McCarthy tried to get her switched to the Small Business committee, where she’d maybe be limited to small bore practical issues

    Pretty sure those issues were large bores.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  73. But actually she’s doing exactly what the Democrats want, for all their pearl-clutching.

    I don’t know if it’s pearl-clutching. Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t. The fact that rioters breached the Capitol and some subset of them probably would have executed some of the Democrats is a pretty good reason to think that maybe their fears about how dangerous a lunatic like MTG is aren’t entirely misplaced.

    But in any case, I’m pleased that the Democrats give her attention because it makes sure that the GOP can’t weasel out of trying to pretend Trump was a one-off that we can just move past as if nothing happened.

    What’s that saying I see around here on occasion about someone like me voting for Biden because I’m appalled by people like Trump and MTG? You bought him, you own him? The GOP bought people like MTG. They own the consequences.

    JohnnyAgreeable (c49787)

  74. Note to 64:

    Because she said there were a lot of people demanding to know “where she is”

    . Technically, actually maybe she didn’t say there were a lot of people yelling. . Yells (plural) could be maybe all yells from the same person.

    But it’s misleading not to say that it was one person and she was quickly apprised by her legislative director who it was.

    Now she’s saying he looked angry at her. Which is possible.

    I think this was a late version of the story. She had already been caught at misleading.

    Sammy Finkelman (5b302e)

  75. 69. Kevin M (ab1c11) — 2/5/2021 @ 8:58 am

    The situation when the majority polices the minority is far different than when the minority (or majority) polices itself.

    When a party kicks someonne off committees they are basically kicking that person out of their caucus. The loss to the party in numbers s a deterrent.

    When the majority party (or the whole body) kicks someone off a committee they are violating the idea that each party gets so many and so many seats on committee. In the rare circumstances this is done, for example for leaking, it is on;y from that committee and it’s based on a rule violation.

    I think Kevin McCarthy figured it wuuld be less of a precedent if the House as a whole did it.

    Sammy Finkelman (5b302e)

  76. But actually she’s doing exactly what the Democrats want, for all their pearl-clutching. They want her to become the face of the GOP as it helps their propaganda, just like the GOP liked AOC before the Democrats told her to STFU. After all, they need to replace Trump in their fundraising.

    Perhaps she’s doing what too many Republicans want. Because the party isn’t putting up much of a fight. McCarthy passed on doing anything with teeth in it. Consider too, that Greene is the face of the new GOP. Consider that *this* is the direction that the party wants to go. But if it isn’t, it’d be a good idea if the Republicans stopped giving the Democrats so much to work with. Shut down the MAGA mouths, and elevate the more sane members of the party who are not loyal to Trump.

    Dana (fd537d)


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