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12/8/2020

Trump Continues To Take Advantage Of Every Opportunity to Dispute Election Results

Filed under: General — Dana @ 1:51 pm



[guest post by Dana]

A Trump-hosted vaccine summit today took an election detour when the President, after being asked by a reporter why the Biden transition team was not on hand given that they will be the administration involved in the distribution of the vaccine, again falsely asserted that he won the election:

Well, we’re going to have to see who the next administration is because, uh, we won in the swing states, and there were terrible things that went on.

So we’re going to have to see who the next administration is…hopefully, the next administration will be the Trump administration because you can’t steal hundreds of thousands of votes.

You can’t have fraud and deception and all of the things that they did, and then slightly win a swing state. And you just have to look at the numbers, look at what’s been on tape, look at all the corruption, and we’ll see…you can’t win an election like that. So hopefully, the next administration will be the Trump administration…

Now let’s see whether or not somebody has the courage, whether it’s a legislator or legislatures or whether it’s a justice of the Supreme Court or a number of justices of the Supreme Court. Let’s see if they have the courage to do what everybody in this country knows is right.

…I received almost 75 million votes, the highest number of votes in the history of our country for a sitting president. 12 million more than the 63 million we received four years ago. President Obama received 3 million less in his second term, and he won easily. I received 12 million more, which by the way is a record. 12 million more. And they say that when the numbers came out, and the numbers came through machines, and all of those ballots were taken away and added, all you have to do is turn on your local television set and you’ll see what happened with thousands of ballots coming out from under tables…with all of the terrible things you saw, all you have to do is take a look…

(video at the link.)

And so it goes…

–Dana

34 Responses to “Trump Continues To Take Advantage Of Every Opportunity to Dispute Election Results”

  1. I don’t see any signs of this slowing down in spite of recent claims that things are indeed winding down. This in spite of 48 of 49 suits being tossed by the courts.

    Dana (cc9481)

  2. Breaking-

    SCOTUSblog
    @SCOTUSblog
    The Supreme Court has rejected a Pennsylvania Republican congressman’s request to prevent Pennsylvania from certifying its presidential election results in favor of Joe Biden.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  3. In a side ruling by Alito: “I regret to inform the people of the United States that the services of Ted Cruz, Esq. and Man About Town, will not be required.”

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  4. According to Democracy Docket, Trump’s record in court is now 1-50, a success rate of 1.96%.
    But as they say, when 50 doors close, maybe another door will open. Maybe.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  5. Meanwhile, right wing twitter is self-mocking in a hilarious way.

    The context:

    * yesterday, Texas filed a petition with the Supreme Court requesting leave to file a complaint against PA, MI, WI, and GA, and a request for a TRO enjoining appointment of electors pending the outcome of that case.

    * the Supreme Court created a docket entry for the *request for permission to file a complaint*

    * right wing twitter is cheering the fact that the Supreme Court has decided to take the case — which of course it hasn’t done; it’s merely listening to the request for permission to ask it to take the case.

    this is a complicated multi-step process, and right wing twitter has just concluded success on step 3 from the fact that step 1 is happening.

    aphrael (4c4719)

  6. SCOTUS, by a 9-0 vote, denied a hearing sought by Pennsylvania Republicans in one simple sentence.

    https://hotair.com/archives/allahpundit/2020/12/08/endgame-scotus-denies-pa-republicans-request-block-certification-election/

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  7. Brad Heath
    @bradheath
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    Meanwhile, over on planet-Parler, the Supreme Court’s decision is being met (as many things there are) with calls for martial law and armed insurrection.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  8. Ari Berman
    @AriBerman
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    2h
    Trump’s legal team has more cases of covid than court wins

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  9. @7

    SCOTUS, by a 9-0 vote, denied a hearing sought by Pennsylvania Republicans in one simple sentence.

    https://hotair.com/archives/allahpundit/2020/12/08/endgame-scotus-denies-pa-republicans-request-block-certification-election/

    Gawain’s Ghost (b25cd1) — 12/8/2020 @ 3:34 pm

    Well then, that clearly means that the PA case is strickly a state’s case (as nk reminded me in the other thread).

    Can’t imagine that the current TX case wouldn’t meet the same fate then.

    whembly (c30c83)

  10. @8

    Brad Heath
    @bradheath
    ·
    1h
    Meanwhile, over on planet-Parler, the Supreme Court’s decision is being met (as many things there are) with calls for martial law and armed insurrection.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 12/8/2020 @ 3:41 pm

    Need to remind folks that neither Parler (nor Twitter) is representative of the public at large.

    whembly (c30c83)

  11. Need to remind folks that neither Parler (nor Twitter) is representative of the public at large.
    whembly (c30c83) — 12/8/2020 @ 3:48 pm

    Nope, but the overwhelming majority of Americans seem to kowtow to what’s being said by the small minority who bleat on social media platforms.

    We as a society were better off without social media.

    Hoi Polloi (139bf6)

  12. Lol

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  13. Let’s see if they have the courage to do what everybody in this country knows is right.

    If only that was so.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  14. But as they say, when 50 doors close, maybe another door will open. Maybe.

    Marked “Exit”

    Or maybe “Abandon All Hope”

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  15. Need to remind folks that neither Parler (nor Twitter) is representative of the public at large.

    True. On the other hand, this despicably reckless battle cry is from the Arizona Republican Party. They’re not some anonymous Twitter rando.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  16. Can’t imagine that the current TX case wouldn’t meet the same fate then.

    That lawsuit is even more bonkers. Paxton is campaigning for a pardon.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  17. “This Way To The Egress.”

    nk (1d9030)

  18. Donald J. Trump

    what everybody in this country knows is right.

    Who does Trump think he is fooling with that?

    His grandchildren?

    Now there’s an allegation that everybody actually agrees that the election was stolen!

    Sammy Finkelman (63d78b)

  19. True. On the other hand, this despicably reckless battle cry is from the Arizona Republican Party. They’re not some anonymous Twitter rando.
    lurker (d8c5bc) — 12/8/2020 @ 5:16 pm

    Usually, one or two people run the Twitter feed for an organization. Sometimes, they might say things that the organization doesn’t agree with; and it may be in this case since the Tweet is no longer there.

    Hoi Polloi (139bf6)

  20. Mr. Trump has spent the majority of his adult life believing that the only thing that REALLY matters is winning the daily news cycle. There is nothing new in his pronouncements regarding the election, and we can expect them to continue ad nauseum.

    John B Boddie (d795fd)

  21. @8 Yeah, if you read the Hot Air link, Allahpundit posts some of the calls for martial law, armed insurrection, and invalidating the election. They’re as insane as they are repugnant.

    Trump is responsible for this madness, but many Republicans are complicit in it. And Giuliani and Ellis are making fools of themselves.

    https://hotair.com/archives/allahpundit/2020/12/08/giuliani-ellis-todays-electoral-college-safe-harbor-deadline-means-nothing/

    So is Paxton. Gov. Abbott should fire him for being an embarrassment to the state of Texas.

    https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2020/12/08/safe-harbor-hail-mary-texas-sues-mi-pa-ga-wi-supreme-court-election-rules-changes/

    He has no standing to challenge other states’ election laws. SCOTUS only agreed to review an application for a hearing, which the justices will surely dismiss as abruptly as the Pennsylvania case. Oh, and Ted Cruz volunteered to join Paxton in filing the application, but SCOTUS informed him that his services would not be required.

    Arizona Republicans are going more berserk though.

    https://hotair.com/archives/allahpundit/2020/12/08/arizona-gop-willing-give-life-fight/

    This madness has got to end. Trump has got to go. And the Grotesquely Obsequious Party needs a serious autopsy. Unfortunately, the last time they had one, after Romney lost to Obama, the result was the election of Trump.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  22. Unfortunately, the last time they had one, after Romney lost to Obama, the result was the election of Trump.

    Did Trump’s election actually result from that autopsy, in the sense of being a fulfillment of its recommendations? I was under the impression that his campaign basically ripped them up.

    Radegunda (20775b)

  23. I don’t know the answer to that question, Radegunda. What I do know is that the Republicans did perform an “autopsy” after Romney lost. They were trying to figure out how to increase their base. And the result was to nominate and elect Donald Trump. That’s when they became the GGOP, the Gratuitously and Grotesquely Obsequious Party.

    In early 2016, Camille Paglia, whom I admire but don’t always agree with, wrote an article, warning that if Trump won the election, it would destroy the power structure of both the Republican and Democratic parties. That was a prescient observation, because that’s exactly what happened.

    There is absolutely no way Biden could have gotten more votes than any other presidential candidate in history, were he not running against Trump. Even I voted for him, first time in my life I voted Democratic. Usually, I would have voted Libertarian, but this time the situation was too dire.

    Even now Perdue and Loeffler are joining Paxton in his asinine lawsuit against the electoral vote in Georgia and other states.

    https://www.ajc.com/politics/politics-blog/loeffler-perdue-side-with-texas-lawsuit-that-georgia-ag-says-is-wrong/YMVHQORW6NARLACY2PRIQGCQKU/

    Do these two want to lose humiliatingly? Paxton is trying to avoid prosecution for bribery, which is a state crime for which he cannot be pardoned by the president. It’s all ass-licking now. And Trump has the biggest rump.

    The GGOP will go down in history just like the Whigs, as a failed party. They had the House, the Senate and the White House, the entire federal government, yet they failed to accomplish anything meaningful. So they passed a tax bill, which benefited the wealthy and exploded the deficit. So they got a few Supreme Court justices voted in. So what? There has been no effective legislation to address the problems the American people are now facing. The GGOP has been a complete failure, and Trump is their leader.

    So sad, too bad.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  24. Great article at The Bulwark:

    Enemies of Democracy

    Three days before Christmas in 2001, Richard Reid took off from Paris on a flight to Miami. He did not intend on arriving. Instead, he attempted to ignite explosives packed into one of his shoes to destroy the plane, killing everyone aboard for the cause of violent jihad.

    He did not succeed. Other passengers noticed his odd behavior—most notably lighting numerous matches while wires were dangling from his pant leg. He was subdued; the flight landed safely.

    The plot had failed. But that did not mean that the system which let him get onto a plane with explosives “worked.”

    This is the exact position America’s democratic system finds itself in as the Trump era comes to a close. Like Richard Reid, Donald Trump is a cartoon figure and his attempt to overturn a free and fair election is nearly comical in its stupidity.

    A wise observer would view the Trump experience as a near-catastrophe which became a wake-up call for just how vulnerable our democracy is.

    […]

    How the hell did we get here?

    Part of the answer is that the American right has failed to advance a conservative agenda that appeals to majorities, and has instead chosen to focus on mobilizing its largely white, increasingly rural political base with appeals to grievance and resentment. This retreat from even attempting to secure a popular majority in favor of using the geographic leverage created by the Electoral College has resulted in a growing suspicion of majoritarianism itself.

    […]

    Another part of the answer is that our politics have been corrupted by a celebration of a “will to power” that is heedless of basic principles. There will always be hypocrites, but at least the hypocrite wishes to be seen as virtuous. Some Americans have gone from trying to conceal their vices to wearing them as badges of honor.

    Using raw political power to overturn a democratic election is the ultimate triumph of political vice, and a logical consequence of win-at-all-costs “wartime conservatism.”

    […]

    If no political price is paid by the president and his cadres, what then? There is moral hazard for a republic that imposes no meaningful consequence on those who would destroy it from within.

    Read the whole thing; it’s damning to Trump and his sycophants.

    Dave (1bb933)

  25. Using raw political power to overturn a democratic election is the ultimate triumph of political vice, and a logical consequence of win-at-all-costs “wartime conservatism.”

    Every NeverTrump accusation is a confession.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  26. There was no attempt to overturn the 2016 presidential election.

    Dave (1bb933)

  27. (I see Time123 pointed out the same article in the older election thread…)

    Dave (1bb933)

  28. That’s OK dave, it’s valuable to point out the ways in which Trump super-fans (not all his supporters or everyone that voted for him) are like the Taliban in their dislike for America.

    Time123 (af99e9)

  29. More on the GOP’s continuing coup attempt:

    Sen. Patrick J. Toomey, Republican of Pennsylvania, has done something truly extraordinary. He has now stated in unequivocal terms that it’s unacceptable for his fellow Republicans to try to subvert the will of American voters to keep President Trump in power illegitimately.

    Why have so few other Republicans proved willing to take this simple step?

    Toomey’s declaration contrasts sharply with a new development in the Georgia runoffs. GOP Sens. Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue just announced their support for a deranged lawsuit filed by Texas that seeks to overturn popular vote outcomes in four battleground states that Trump lost.

    Those Georgia moves capture a broader state of affairs: It appears that untold numbers of elected Republicans are trying to inspire in GOP voters a state of what you might call permanent warfare against our democratic institutions and the opposition’s voters alike.

    This war footing doesn’t permit acknowledgment of the opposition’s claims to legitimate political representation. It treats efforts at the wholesale subversion of unwanted electoral outcomes as an acceptable tool of political competition.

    Dave (1bb933)

  30. 27. Dave (1bb933) — 12/9/2020 @ 8:03 am

    There was no attempt to overturn the 2016 presidential election.

    There was a futile recount in Wisconsin and some attempts in other states, initiated by Green Party candidate Jill Stein and quietly supported by Hillary.

    Jill Stein was virtually a Putin puppet, more so than Mike Flynn, but I think Putin had second thoughts about supporting Trump because Trump was indicating that he might make Mitt Romney Secretary of State. So he wanted to take it away from Donald Trump. So to speak: “What Putin giveth, Putin can take away.” Only he couldn’t. And he hadn’t thrown the election to Trump in the first place anyway.

    Wikilesks maybe helped keep the Hillary email scandal in the news, but it wasn’t the on;y source – and it wasn’t the only source of revelations – some came from FOIA requests from the Associated Press, from the Republican National Committee, and from Judicial Watch. Most of the Wikileaks material was actually pretty weak tea.

    The big thing in 2016 was an effort to get the Electors to switch their votes, on the grounds that Trump had lost the popular vote.

    This year there’s no talk about trying to get any Electors to vote other than the way they were pledged, but there is talk of replacing the Electors.

    Sammy Finkelman (63d78b)

  31. Biden Cabinet building:

    So far a 6-6 split male/female (which is easier) and 8-4 in favor of minorities but he’s not giving some people the Cabinet positions they, or others for them, wanted.

    Xavier Becerra for Secretary of Health and Human Services, not Attorney General, and Congresswoman Marcia Fudge for Housing and Urban Development, not Agriculture, which goes to Tom Vilsack, who returns.(He was Secretary of Agriculture for all 8 years of Obama)

    Biden is trying to give an appearance of competence and stability.

    The Attorney General will probably be outgoing Alabama Senator Doug Jones or Merrick Garland (with Sally Yates being a possibility) Merrick Garland might take it with the idea he’d be Biden’s first nominee for the Supreme Court, which might even be thought of by Republicans as the best possible nominee they could get from Biden because of relative moderation and age.

    Biden had to replace a white woman with a black male for Secretary of Defense to make his idea of coalition building work. He runs into a bit of trouble for being recent ex-military and it would require an Act of Congress to make him eligible for the job but they say the Republicans did it for Mattis.

    Biden said Anthony Fauci would be his chief medical advisor (this is all for public relations) as well as continue in his job. Fauci made a remote appearance at Governor Andrew Cuomo’s coronavirus briefing on Monday and with Biden’s people on Tuesday but he did not participate in Trump’s coronavirus meeting on Tuesday.

    Cuomo’s changing the metric from positive test results to hospitalizationz

    Sammy Finkelman (63d78b)

  32. Giuliani called into his substitute hosts on WABC 770 (3 pm) yesterday and he confirmed that he had gotten the same (?) antibody cocktail that Donald Trump got and he said he felt better right away, as everybody that’s been quoted says.

    (The Pfizer vaccine meanwhile gives 15% or so of the people given it a fever, sometimes even very high that lasts 24-36 hours or redness and possibly also an allergic reaction. One dose gives more than 50% immunity – the 95% result is reported after a booster dose four weeks later.Well, after an additional 10 ror so days. Incidentally the FDA did not have to wait three weeks to decide – the actual review should take only 2 or 3 days. They haven;t actually yet appproved it that happes tomorrow but everybody assumes the Pfizer vaccine will be elected znd nobpdy;s going into court to stop it. It gets at least a one week head start over Moderna.

    The half size initial dose Astra Zeneca shows very little adverse effects but earlier this year the trials were temporarily halted due to something with one person that they apparently decided was unrelated.

    There are altogether 6 vaccines in the running. Not enough attention is being paid to he antibodies which can cure or prevent current cases.)

    Giuliani will be released from the hospital tomorrow and may even make his show.

    Sammy Finkelman (63d78b)

  33. 33. (about the Pfizer vaccine)

    after a booster dose four weeks later.

    The booster (second identical) shot is three weeks later – it’s four for Moderna. I ave not read one explanation as to why it is divided into two, but I suppose the inventors of the vaccine know areason.

    Perhaps immunity is stronger when it has a chance to fade. In which case, why should it be such a big mystery when Astra Zeneca discovered that their vaccine was even better when the first dose was half the second amount than when both doses were identical?

    Sammy Finkelman (63d78b)


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