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11/12/2020

GOP Senators: Joe Biden Needs Access to Security Briefings

Filed under: General — Dana @ 3:19 pm



[guest post by Dana]

Progress for the GOP. With four Republican senators now acknowledging Joe Biden as the President-elect, there has been a call by GOP members for him to have access to security briefings so he will be fully prepared to take the reins in January:

A growing number of Republican senators, including members of GOP leadership, said Thursday that President-elect Joe Biden should get the intelligence briefings that he is currently unable to receive because of President Trump’s refusal to accept the election results.

Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), the most senior Republican in the Senate, told CNN that Biden should receive classified briefings, but that “we ought to do what we did” after the 2000 election with respect to the General Services Administration signing off on transition paperwork.

Senate Majority Whip John Thune (R-S.D.), told CNN: “Well, I think that it probably makes sense to prepare for all contingencies. And as these election challenges play out in court, I don’t have a problem with, and I think it’s important from a national security standpoint, continuity. And you’ve seen other members suggesting that. I think that makes sense.”

Sen. James Lankford (R-Okla.) said in a radio interview: “There’s nothing wrong with Vice President Biden getting the briefings to be able to prepare himself so that he can be ready. If that’s not occurring by Friday, I’ll step in as well and to be able to push him to say, this needs to occur so that regardless of the outcome of the election, whichever way it goes, people can be ready for that actual task.”

Senate Homeland Security Chair Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) told reporters: “I have no problem with it. … In general, from what I’ve seen, intelligence briefings are really not worth a whole lot. The things we see in the SCIF don’t add much value.”

Meanwhile, practiced politician, Mitch McConnell, is involved in his own post-election balancing act. He’s not outrightly supporting Trump’s claims of voter fraud yet believes that Americans should see how this all plays out in the courts. All of this while not losing sight that run-off election in Georgia is critical and that it’s crucial that the GOP keeps majority power in the Senate:

The GOP leader is defending Trump’s right to challenge the vote counts in several key battleground states, arguing the courts are meant to handle disputed election results and that “wealthy media corporations” should not project the winner.

But McConnell is also keeping his distance from the president’s claims of voter fraud that his campaign has yet to back up with any hard evidence.

“What I’m going to do here in the Senate is concentrate on the business that we have left to do,” he told reporters Tuesday, adding he would “let the presidential election go through the various stages that it goes through under the Constitution.”

So what is Trump’s administration planning on doing during this strange time? As this Wall Street Journal report indicates, officials seem to accept that there will be a new president coming on board in January, and while they are cleaning house and setting last minute rules and regulations, the President himself is, well, a bit distracted:

Mr. Trump hasn’t discussed what elements of his policy agenda he wants to execute before leaving office, White House officials said. One official said there has been little formal planning on what needs to get done in the final months of the Trump administration. Some aides have begun compiling a list of regulations and other measures that can be completed before Inauguration Day, another official said.

Officials said they expect negotiations with lawmakers about the next round of coronavirus relief legislation will resume at some point. Some White House policy aides are also discussing potential executive orders on a range of issues, such as banning banks from refusing to lend to fossil-fuel companies, officials said.

White House adviser Stephen Miller and other officials are also rushing to complete a series of immigration regulations and rules that would make it tougher to win asylum and appeal a deportation order and effectively eliminate the H-1B visa lottery, which would largely shut off the program for recent college graduates, administration officials said. The Biden administration could seek to reverse the rules but it would take time and would likely prompt a fresh round of legal challenges. …

Asked what policy matters Mr. Trump might focus on over the next 70 days, another official said, ‘Not a lot.’ The official said it has been difficult to shift the president’s attention away from the election.

Yeah, I’d say he was a bit distracted:

This is madness.

–Dana

92 Responses to “GOP Senators: Joe Biden Needs Access to Security Briefings”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (6995e0)

  2. The train wreck continues as the wreckage falls off anaother cliff.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  3. Just imagine for a moment, that the night of the Bush v Kerry election, Bush opened a twitter account of his own and tweeted that allcaps garbage. Every major media operation, all pundits on the left, and probably Trump, would insist the 25th amendment be invoked.

    Imagine someone you know who has battled addiction tweeted that. You’d be concerned they were high.

    Trump’s gotta go. Just knock him out and get Pence up there for a quiet transition to Biden. Whatever that costs the party is nothing compared to what not doing it will cost.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  4. Imagine someone you know who has battled addiction tweeted that. You’d be concerned they were high.

    You haven’t seen by Facebook feed. That would be tame compared to some, although most of that is from the Left.

    As for Bush v Kerry, two words: Dan Rather.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  5. That would be tame compared to some, although most of that is from the Left.

    LOL. I’m not going to say my lefty friends are free of nuttiness but none of them are coming up with anything like Trump’s allcaps REEEEEEEEEEEE routine I see above. I actually would be concerned if someone I knew in person started saying stuff like that.

    Dan Rather’s a real piece of work. Bush didn’t freak out about it though. And if he had, it would have ruined him. That’s my point. Of course Trump’s been hit unfairly. He’s a president. Happened to Obama, Bush, all of them in my lifetime.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  6. What the idiot doesn’t know won’t hurt him.

    Or us.

    “All men and women created by — you know, you know, the thing.” Joe Biden, Idiot-elect.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  7. Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), the most senior Republican in the Senate, told CNN that Biden should receive classified briefings, but that “we ought to do what we did” after the 2000 election with respect to the General Services Administration signing off on transition paperwork.

    Jaysus. Senior is right:

    Grassley is 87 years old.

    God help us.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  8. @7 DCSCA has suddenly become an Irish Catholic, b’Jaysus.

    Nic (896fdf)

  9. Lindsey Graham is also on board with Biden getting briefings. I expect his membership at Trump National to be revoked.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  10. About Dominion Voting Systems that Trump complained about in the tweet I posted above:

    Maricopa County AZ uses Dominion machines to count ballots. It completed its legally required hand count test on Nov 9 to check whether the machines accurately counted the paper ballots. The check found no errors for any race in any precinct.

    The process is overseen by representatives of the Democratic, Republican, and Libertarian parties, each of whom select in turn which precincts to count. The counters are also selected in teams of 3 with no more than 2 of the same political party to ensure accuracy.

    Dana (6995e0)

  11. Re: 9, I think his #1 target turned out be a regular kind of guy.

    urbanleftbehind (40d03d)

  12. @8. There’s a bit’o’the-mick in me back down the line.

    Pope springs eternal. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  13. 9.Lindsey Graham is also on board with Biden getting briefings

    Yes, no azz to big or small to crawl into.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  14. At least Trump has the pandemic completely under control!

    Dave (1bb933)

  15. And despite everything he’s done to America, over the last four years, and the last ten days, upwards of 70 million people would vote for him again if there were an election tomorrow.

    We are truly $!@#$%#

    Dave (1bb933)

  16. Will Biden get the regular briefing or Trump’s “Highlights for Children” version.

    Davethulhu (6e0d47)

  17. Will Biden get the regular briefing or Trump’s “Highlights for Children” version.

    He’ll get a plagiarized version.

    Hoi Polloi (66077a)

  18. Finally, some non-Trumpy push back from Senate GOPers. Granted, its not much, but I’ll take it at this point. It would’ve been nice had they done that after Trump lost and started throwing a hissy fit about it. It would’ve been better had they shown some steel during the Senate impeachment trial. But better late than never, I guess.

    HCI (92ea66)

  19. @18 Fake News

    Tuberville knows perfectly well that the three branches of government are Offense, Defense and Special Teams.

    Duh.

    Dave (1bb933)

  20. Trump’s all-caps tweet has been traced back to QAnon…

    Dave (1bb933)

  21. Tommy Tuberville also apparently believes that in 1944 American GI’s liberated Paris from the curse of “socialism and communism”, so it’s not like he’s operating generally from a place of great knowledge.

    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/11/tommy-tuberville-apparently-doesnt-know-what-wwii-was-about.html

    Victor (4959fb)

  22. Trump is now thinking about running again in 2024 he hopes not from a jail cell! Ted cruz and the other munchkens had to stop dancing and singing “the witch is dead!”

    asset (4c4e48)

  23. @24.You know what they call that in showbiz, right?

    A tease.

    Pay attention– and stay tuned. He lives inside CNN & MSNBC’s head.

    What. A. Showman.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  24. It sounds to me like Tuberville was unjustly maligned as a carpetbagger. He’s a perfect fit for Alabama.

    nk (1d9030)

  25. A tease.

    That’s what Xi said. But Putin knows Trump will put out.

    nk (1d9030)

  26. And Putin smiled.

    nk (1d9030)

  27. =mike-drop=
    DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/12/2020 @ 9:29 pm

    Media – if they want – will have a good time keeping up with Biden now that he has the bully pulpit.

    Hoi Polloi (66077a)

  28. Another major law firm decides the Trump campaign is too sleazy to represent:

    Porter Wright Morris & Arthur, the law firm leading the Trump campaign’s efforts to cast doubt on the presidential election results in Pennsylvania, abruptly withdrew from a federal lawsuit that it filed days earlier on behalf of President Trump.

    “Plaintiffs and Porter Wright have reached a mutual agreement that plaintiffs will be best served if Porter Wright withdraws,” the law firm said in a federal court filing.

    Who needs these stiffs when you’ve got elite talent like Rudy Giuliani and Kory Langhofer leading the charge?

    Dave (1bb933)

  29. The question is, will Twitter ban Trump on Jan. 20?

    https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/11/will-twitter-ban-trump-in-2021/617071/

    What about Donald Jr. and Eric? They’ve all been spreading misinformation and conspiracy theories.

    I would be shocked if Twitter actually did ban the Trumps. But if Twitter did, it would deprive the Trumps of their most influential social media.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  30. There are two likely and two unlikely reasons a lawyer will ditch a client after he’s filed his appearance in a case:
    1. The client is not paying him;
    2. The client wants him to do something sleazy;
    3. The lawyer just discovered a conflict of interest (unlikely); and
    4. The lawyer suddenly got too sick to work (whatever).

    nk (1d9030)

  31. BREAKING: OANN/PROJECT VERITAS WORLD EXCLUSIVE

    Undercover sting operation reveals Chewbacca lives on Endor

    Dave (1bb933)

  32. Daily Mail US
    @DailyMail

    Obama says rise of Trump was racist reaction to ‘having black man in the White House’ https://trib.al/6VAigMd
    _ _

    Stephen L. Miller
    @redsteeze
    ·
    Is that what explains voters in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin flipping from Obama in 2008 & 2012 to Trump in 2016?

    __ _

    harkin (8fadc8)

  33. I never had any doubt that Trump was a reaction to Obama, like the cytokine storms that kill people are a reaction to the coronavirus. For the susceptible, that is. Trump sure as heck exploited Obama’s race to rile up the mouth-breathers who eventually voted for him going back all the way to 2008 and the birtherism.

    nk (1d9030)

  34. The question is, will Twitter ban Trump on Jan. 20?

    https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/11/will-twitter-ban-trump-in-2021/617071/

    What about Donald Jr. and Eric? They’ve all been spreading misinformation and conspiracy theories.

    I would be shocked if Twitter actually did ban the Trumps. But if Twitter did, it would deprive the Trumps of their most influential social media.

    Gawain’s Ghost (b25cd1) — 11/13/2020 @ 6:42 am

    and deprive Twitter of a whole lot of engagement.

    Time123 (6e0727)

  35. harkin (8fadc8) — 11/13/2020 @ 7:15 am

    The way the theory goes, and there’s some data to support this, the white racists who voted for BO in 2008 and 2012 voted against him in 2016 (even though he wasn’t on the ticket) to vote for Trump and then voted against Trump in 2020 to vote for Biden. So, racists voted for BO/Biden twice, DJT once, and Biden once. According to this logic the non-racists options in the last few elections were McCain, Romney, Clinton, and I guess Trump just wasn’t racists enough to draw them away from Biden.

    frosty (f27e97)

  36. Kamala Harris.

    nk (1d9030)

  37. Dana @10-
    Maricopa County GOP chair resigns after skipping election equipment verification test
    Rae Chornenky, the chair of the Maricopa County Republican Party, has resigned from her position after Democrats called her out for skipping a meeting ahead of the election where the county’s ballot tabulation machines were tested.
    ……
    Calls for her to step down started after Maricopa County Democratic Party chair Stephen Slugocki reminded the public in a Twitter post that in October she had not attended a logic and accuracy test of election equipment.

    That equipment — new ballot tabulators from Dominion Voting Systems — are at the center of claims about software glitches that some Republicans have asserted changed votes from President Donald Trump to Democrat Joe Biden. There is no credible evidence that happened.
    ……
    The tests are open to the public and are performed before and after every election to certify the accuracy of tabulation equipment and voting devices.
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  38. Despite Biden win, Navarro says White House operating under assumption of ‘second Trump term’
    ……..
    We are moving forward here at the White House under the assumption that there will be a second Trump term,” Navarro said in an interview on Fox Business, a day after most major networks called Arizona for Biden. The Democrat has already been projected as the winner of the state by Fox News.

    “I think it’s really important, before peoples’ heads explode here, to understand that what we seek here is verifiable ballots, certifiable ballots and an investigation into what are growing numbers of allegations of fraud under signed affidavits by witnesses,” he said.

    Navarro went on to describe the election as one of “immaculate deception.”
    …….
    Navarro is the first White House official to appear on television in several days aside from White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany, who has participated in interviews in her capacity as a Trump campaign adviser to defend the president’s efforts to challenge the election results in court.

    During a “Fox & Friends” interview on Thursday, McEnany responded to a question about the decision not to grant Biden access to intelligence reports by suggesting the president would serve a second term.
    …….

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  39. Navarro. Snorfle!

    How did they get the camera and microphone past Trump’s duodenum? Endoscopy?

    nk (1d9030)

  40. nk (1d9030) — 11/13/2020 @ 9:09 am

    Kamala Harris.

    You have to get the special slippers first and then you say it 3x while wearing them.

    frosty (f27e97)

  41. You know that there’s 68 days left in which Denmark could still get nuked, right?

    nk (1d9030)

  42. At this time four years ago, Biden was a part of efforts to deny intel to the incoming Trump administration.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/biden-raised-logan-act-in-oval-office-discussion-about-flynn-peter-strzok-notes-show

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  43. At this time four years ago, Biden was a part of efforts to deny intel to the incoming Trump administration.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/biden-raised-logan-act-in-oval-office-discussion-about-flynn-peter-strzok-notes-show

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67) — 11/13/2020 @ 9:32 am

    Your summary of this article is a lie. Which isn’t surprising.

    Time123 (36651d)

  44. Your summary of this article is a lie. Which isn’t surprising.

    Your summary of my comment is a lie. Which isn’t surprising.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  45. bnp, I’m very confused how you got what you claimed out of the article you posted. What part of that article says anything like what you claim?

    Nate (8f526f)

  46. BYRON YORK EXCLUSIVE: Trump talks post-election fight
    …….

    “We’re going to win Wisconsin,” he began. “Arizona — it’ll be down to 8,000 votes, and if we can do an audit of the millions of votes, we’ll find 8,000 votes easy. If we can do an audit, we’ll be in good shape there.”

    “Georgia, we’re going to win,” he continued, “because now, we’re down to about 10,000, 11,000 votes, and we have hand-counting” — a reference to the coming recount. “Hand-counting is the best. To do a spin of the machine doesn’t mean anything. You pick up 10 votes. But when you hand-count — I think we’re going to win Georgia.” He’ll also win North Carolina, Trump joked, “unless they happen to find a lot of votes. I said, ‘When are they going to put in the new votes in North Carolina? When are they going to find a batch from Charlotte?'”

    Then there are two more — Michigan and Pennsylvania. “The two big states,” Trump said, before allowing, “They’re all sort of big.” In those two, Trump is pinning his strategy on protesting the exclusion of his campaign’s observers during critical periods of vote-counting. “They wouldn’t let our poll watchers and observers watch or observe,” Trump said. “That’s a big thing. They should throw those votes out that went through during those periods of time when [Trump observers] weren’t there. We went to court, and the judge ordered [the observers] back, but that was after two days, and millions of votes could have gone through. Millions. And we’re down 50,000.”

    It was definitely an optimistic scenario and one at odds with the current state of the race. ……

    Indeed, the picture looks bleak for the president. As he spoke on Thursday, GOP strategist Karl Rove, Hugh Hewitt, and this newsletter noted that it is impossible, or all but impossible, for him to come back in enough states to win the election. At one point in the conversation, the president seemed to consider and then quickly reject the idea of losing. “I’m a guy who realizes — five days ago, I thought, ‘Maybe,'” he said, pausing for just a second. “But, now I see evidence, and we have hundreds of affidavits,” referring to the testimonials included in his lawsuits.
    ………..

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  47. @46, Ok, show where in the article it alleges that they attempted to deny intel to the incoming Trump administration. If it’s there and I missed it I’ll apologize.

    Time123 (6e0727)

  48. The Trump/QAnon GOP defending my right to kill your grandparents:

    Our first session of New Member Orientation covered COVID in Congress.

    Masks, masks, masks….

    I proudly told my freshman class that masks are oppressive.

    In GA, we work out, shop, go to restaurants, go to work, and school without masks.

    My body, my choice.

    #FreeYourFace

    — Marjorie Taylor Greene

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  49. @48: The officials were discussing phone calls Flynn had with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak about a United Nations resolution on Israel and sanctions during the presidential transition period. At one point, Strzok wrote that Comey said the calls “appear legit.” Obama emphasized that “the right people” should look into Flynn.

    In a memo hastily written on Trump’s Inauguration Day, Rice noted that Comey had “some concerns” about those calls and warned “that could be an issue as it relates to sharing sensitive information.” Rice’s email to herself claims Obama insisted everything be done “by the book.”

    Both Strzok and Rice note that Obama asked if there is any sensitive he should not mention to the Trump transition team. Rice wrote that Comey replied, “‘Potentially.’ He added that he has no indication that Flynn has passed classified information to Kislyak, but he noted that ‘the level of communication is unusual.’”

    I don’t value your apology, Time123, so don’t put yourself out.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  50. @46 Your summary of my comment is a lie. Which isn’t surprising.

    Time123’s “summary” of your comment is an exact copy of your comment.

    Radegunda (20775b)

  51. In The Bunker

    As the spam and lies fly
    On a cold and gray DC morning
    An orange little baby child sulks
    In the bunker (in the bunker)

    And his Party cries
    ‘Cause if there’s one thing that they don’t need
    It’s a psychopathic clown’s ego to feed
    In the bunker (in the bunker)

    People, don’t you understand
    The country needs a helping hand
    Cause the baby never learned to be a man
    Come Election Day

    Take a look at Fox and Newsmax
    Listen to his lapdogs bark
    Left to his druthers,
    Could the twerp nuke Denmark?

    Well, the world turns
    And the whiny little boy with the runny nose
    Will be kicked out on his keister as the cold wind blows
    From the bunker (from the bunker)

    nk (1d9030)

  52. Can’t help you with reading comprehension, Rad.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  53. Can’t help you with reading comprehension, Rad.

    Where is my error in “reading comprehension,” or in understanding of common English words, like “summary”?
    Time123 did not present a “summary” of your comment. He quoted your comment in full.
    You have not demonstrated how he lied about your comment, or even misrepresented it.

    Radegunda (20775b)

  54. You have not demonstrated how he lied about your comment, or even misrepresented it.

    @53 was a joke, but now let me change the tone to serious.

    Think it over.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  55. @50 Nothing in your quote is “an attempt to deny intel.”

    If I’m trying to decide whether or not to hand you a lighter and I have a discussion with a friend about how you really seem to like fire an awful lot, but decide to hand it to you anyway, I have not attempted to deny you the lighter.

    Nic (896fdf)

  56. Imagine someone you know who has battled addiction tweeted that. You’d be concerned they were high.

    Trump always has a source.

    The problem is the source is no good, and contradicts other knowledge.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/12/us/politics/trump-future.html

    WHITE HOUSE MEMO

    Trump Floats Improbable Survival Scenarios as He Ponders His Future

    ….The president has insisted to aides that he really defeated Joseph R. Biden Jr. on Nov. 3, but it is unclear whether he actually believes it. And instead of conducting discreet requests for recounts, Mr. Trump has made a series of spurious claims, seizing on conspiracies fanned on the internet.

    The latest was on Thursday, when he falsely claimed on Twitter that Dominion voting machines switched hundreds of thousands of his votes to Mr. Biden, citing a report he had seen on the fringe network OANN, something even his supporters called ridiculous and a federal agency overseeing cybersecurity disavowed in a statement.

    Sammy Finkelman (70818b)

  57. @55 IOW, you really can’t show where’s the lie about your comment or the summary of your comment in an exact, full copy your comment. Which isn’t surprising.

    Radegunda (20775b)

  58. @56: Not going to get into semantics games with you. One week after a close election where votes are still being counted, Trump denying intel access to Biden is apocalypse dialed to eleven. Two months after the 2016 election, Biden raises the Logan Act in an extraordinary discussion at the WH regarding sharing intel with the Trump administration — and nothing to see here. And, it’s not as if we don’t know how that movie ends. So, stuff it with the semantics BS.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  59. Trump campaign drops Arizona lawsuit requesting review of ballots

    Lawyers for the Trump campaign have dropped a lawsuit seeking a review of all ballots cast on Election Day after finding that the margin of victory for the presidential contest in Arizona could not be overcome.
    ……
    Fox News vindicated, Trumpkins apology not forthcoming.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  60. Trumpkins apology not forthcoming

    LOL

    Here’s your apology:

    “Trump Russia Collusion”

    Carter “Russian Asset” Page

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  61. Not going to get into semantics games with you.

    Translation: “My job is to spam. More precisely, to throw out a lie and if it sticks it sticks wherever it sticks.”

    And it works, too. It’s now out there in print (pixels anyway) for all the typophiles to quote. Never mind that it’s bullsh!t.

    nk (1d9030)

  62. nk, best not to stray too afar from your forte, which are happyfeet impersonations.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  63. @56: Not going to get into semantics games with you.

    It isn’t a “semantic game” to read common English words as they are generally understand.
    You accused someone of lying about what you said, when in fact that person had precisely quoted what you said. But I don’t expect an apology to Time123 for the false claim that he lied about what you said.

    As for the intel access: Trump isn’t just denying intel access on grounds of specific concerns about how certain people may be comprised. He is also denying a release of transition funding (which among other things means less Secret Service protection), and denying that he even lost the election, and publicly making claims of massive fraud that are refuted even by Republican election overseers, and trying to get state legislatures to seat electors who will defy the will of their states’ voters, etc….

    Trumpists have been complaining nonstop that Dems were trying to “overturn an election” after Trump was inaugurated, when that is not really what they were doing. Right now, Trump is actually trying to overturn an election and prevent the winner from being inaugurated. And the Trumpists are fully onboard with it.

    Radegunda (20775b)

  64. That’s not my forte, mr. beer ‘n pretzels, that’s my foible.

    nk (1d9030)

  65. Trump isn’t just denying intel access on grounds of specific concerns about how certain people may be comprised.

    Of course that is not why Trump is denying access; it’s why the Obama admin. had concerns about who should be getting intel.

    Radegunda (20775b)

  66. “Trump Russia Collusion”

    A perennial favorite in TrumpWorld!

    To: Donald J. Trump, Jr.

    Good morning

    Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.

    The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

    This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump – helped along by Aras and Emin.

    What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?

    I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first.

    From: Donald J. Trump, Jr.

    Thanks Rob I appreciate that. I am on the road at the moment but perhaps I just speak to Emin first. Seems we have some time and if it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer. Could we do a call first thing next week when I am back?

    Best,

    Don

    Dave (1bb933)

  67. Meanwhile Giuliani was interviewed by the guest host on the Rush Limbaugh show where he claimed that the Democrats had filled out hundreds of thousands paper ballots overnight between the time the polls closed on November 3 and 4:30 am November 4.

    What was significant, he claimed, was that they were all votes just for president, which they did, he said, because they didn’t have enough time to fill them out completely because they hadn’t guessed correctly before Election Day by how many votes Donald Trump would carry Pennsylvania. (not even that will probably be borne out either – that is, that there existed somewhere a bunch of absentee ballots all just with a vote for president that were all counted at the same time.)

    He knew that this happened, or surmised that, but the way Giuliani talks there’s no difference, because, he said, Republican poll watchers were not allowed to see the ballots being counted, which was contrary to Pennsylvania law, except that two of them were in the room and saw all these ballots being added.

    He claims that therefore all absentee ballots from Philadelphia and Allegheny and Lehigh counties (or a substantial number of them) be disqualified, because once they are in the pile the fact that they come from registered voters can’t be verified and the signatures can’t be checked etc, which would mean Trump wins Pennsylvania, which would be by about the correct amount, and that the state legislature should assign the electors to Trump.

    He’s also trying in Michigan (he said elsewhere) and had accumulated for disqualification about 250,000 votes and he’s beginning to work in Georgia. He said yesterday on his own show words to the effect that he never put much stock in recounts because state election officials don’t want to say they were wrong – the way to flip Georgia was to find 40,000 or 50,000 improperly accepted votes.

    The “Sidney” who is working on other issues is the same Sidney who is the (female) lawyer for Mike Flynn

    Giuliani claimed on the Rush Limbaugh show today that he is being censored – nothing of what he says is making it into major media – he’s given numerous interviews to local radio stations, though.

    Sammy Finkelman (70818b)

  68. @68: Good thing nobody voted for Don Jr.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  69. Here’s your apology:

    “Trump Russia Collusion”

    Carter “Russian Asset” Page

    Nice to know we can refer to you as a Trumpkin. And is that all you can say? It’s as tiresome as DCSCA.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  70. Never miss a marketing opportunity.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  71. how can i say this tactfully

    mr nk is not fooling anyone

    Dave (1bb933)

  72. Nice to know we can refer to you as a Trumpkin.

    It seems important to you.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  73. @59 Bnp, the facts often don’t match up with your feelings about any given situation. That is an internal problem, not one that is the fault of the rest of us.

    Nic (896fdf)

  74. Joe Biden Needs Access to Security Briefings

    Apparently his staff says he needs “time off” more; the idiot-elect is ‘taking a few days off’ after the stresses of the past week so, has lidded any public events f the nxt several days.

    Memo to Xi & Vlad: take note.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  75. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/12/us/politics/trump-future.html

    Rudolph W. Giuliani, Mr. Trump’s personal lawyer, has been a source of enormous frustration for Trump advisers. Advisers have tried to tell Mr. Trump that the fraud Mr. Giuliani is offering hope of proving simply does not exist.

    Mr. Trump is getting suggestions from an array of other lawyers, as well. They include Sidney Powell, the lawyer for his former national security adviser Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn, who was at the Trump campaign headquarters over the weekend.

    Advisers have nudged the president to stop talking about “fraud” because that has legal implications that his team has not been able to back up. So Mr. Trump has taken to pronouncing the election “rigged,” one of his favorite words but one with dangerous implications in terms of how his own supporters view the election’s ultimate outcome.

    Sammy Finkelman (70818b)

  76. @74-It seems important to you.

    I wasn’t referring to you specifically in my original comment, but if you want to accept that description, that’s fine with me.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  77. ‘I Looked Into it’: Steve Doocy Debunks Trump’s Dominion Software Voter Fraud Conspiracy

    Fox & Friends co-host Steve Doocy effectively shot down the notion that a software glitch of a voting machine company changed thousands of votes from President Donald Trump to President-elect Joe Biden.

    Ordinarily, this would be a relatively pedestrian setting-the-record-straight instance for morning television. But the fact that Doocy is directly countering Fox News colleague Sean Hannity, and President Trump, is a rather remarkable moment for the pro-Trump morning show.

    It happened during a Fox & Friends interview with legal professor Jonathan Turley, who baselessly claimed that thousands of votes in Michigan had been changed by the aforementioned software. “In Michigan, you had thousands of votes that were given to Biden that belonged to Trump,” Turley claimed. “Now, that doesn’t mean it was a nefarious purpose. This is a new software that apparently is vulnerable to human error.”

    “I looked into it,” Doocy opened, correcting the record. “With that Dominion software, five counties in Michigan and Georgia had problems,” Doocy added, apparently citing a New York Times report that came to the same conclusion. “And the Dominion software was used in two of the counties and in every instance largely it was human error, a problem, but the software did not affect the vote counts.”
    …….
    When you lose Steve Doocy, you’ve lost the nation. I’m surprised to see Jonathan Turley making such a conspiratorial argument, especially without first hand knowledge of what he was talking about.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  78. I wasn’t referring to you specifically in my original comment

    You were referring specifically to me in your subsequent comment, Rip, because it’s an issue of vital importance to you.

    Convene an algonquin roundtable about it.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  79. Michigan judge rejects demand to block certification of Biden win in Detroit
    A Michigan state judge has rejected an attempt by two poll challengers to block the certification of a Joe Biden win in Detroit, which helped carry his victory in the state. The judge also denied the request for an audit of the election.
    ……
    “It would be an unprecedented exercise of judicial activism for this Court to stop the certification process of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers,” wrote Chief Judge Timothy Kenny.
    …..
    Also on Friday, a Republican congressional candidate from Pennsylvania lost a case on appeal that he had brought just before Election Day over ballots in Pennsylvania that arrived late.

    The issue of the legality of those ballots was already at the US Supreme Court — and still is there — but Jim Bognet and voters had added to the effort in their own federal case that challenged those ballots.

    The 3rd US Circuit Court of Appeals decided the voters and Bognet, who lost his race in Pennsylvania’s 8th Congressional District, didn’t have the ability to sue and had gone to court too close to the election, rejecting their case. The appellate decision was in line with the lower court’s ruling in the case.

    The ruling on Friday also appears to block voters from making broad, theoretical claims under the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution about the possible dilution of their votes.
    …….

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  80. Here’s what you said:

    At this time four years ago, Biden was a part of efforts to deny intel to the incoming Trump administration.

    Here’s how you justify it.

    @48: The officials were discussing phone calls Flynn had with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak about a United Nations resolution on Israel and sanctions during the presidential transition period. At one point, Strzok wrote that Comey said the calls “appear legit.” Obama emphasized that “the right people” should look into Flynn.

    In a memo hastily written on Trump’s Inauguration Day, Rice noted that Comey had “some concerns” about those calls and warned “that could be an issue as it relates to sharing sensitive information.” Rice’s email to herself claims Obama insisted everything be done “by the book.”

    Both Strzok and Rice note that Obama asked if there is any sensitive he should not mention to the Trump transition team. Rice wrote that Comey replied, “‘Potentially.’ He added that he has no indication that Flynn has passed classified information to Kislyak, but he noted that ‘the level of communication is unusual.’”

    The quote you pulled shows that they considered it. It does not show that they tried to deny the trump administration intel. So you are in fact a liar.

    I don’t value your apology, Time123, so don’t put yourself out.

    I don’t mind apologizing when I’m wrong. But I’m not. Your characterization is a lie.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67) — 11/13/2020 @ 10:08 am

    Time123 (6e0727)

  81. It’s as tiresome as DCSCA.

    Says the resident off topic wall of text spammer.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  82. @56: Not going to get into semantics games with you. One week after a close election where votes are still being counted, Trump denying intel access to Biden is apocalypse dialed to eleven. Two months after the 2016 election, Biden raises the Logan Act in an extraordinary discussion at the WH regarding sharing intel with the Trump administration — and nothing to see here. And, it’s not as if we don’t know how that movie ends. So, stuff it with the semantics BS.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67) — 11/13/2020 @ 10:35 am

    It ended with sharing intel, and a properly predicated investigation into the Trump campaigns interaction with Russia. It also ended with a detailed investigation of Russian interference, criminal or otherwise, into the 2016 election. Interference that was intended to help Trump win.

    Time123 (6e0727)

  83. 306. Landslide. Blowout. Historic.

    — Kellyanne Conway, Nov. 28, 2016

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  84. … or as Trump called his win, the “biggest since Reagan.” (It wasn’t.)

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  85. @83. A mere paper cut from a card now on the bottom of the deck. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  86. @86. Biden said that the Obama administration “didn’t lock people up in cages.” They did.
    Biden: “Immediately, the moment [the Iraq War] started, I came out against it.” He didn’t.
    Biden: “I was always labeled one of the most liberal members of Congress.” – He wasn’t.

    ‘No one should be surprised. Lest we forget…

    In ’87, Biden boasted: “I went to law school on a full academic scholarship…[and] ended up in the top half of my class.” And that he “graduated with three degrees from undergraduate school” and was the “outstanding student in the political science department.” Not one of those claims are true.

    Biden graduated 76th of 85 students in his law school class, had only a partial scholarship and did not win top honors in his undergraduate discipline.

    And this: Biden explained in his 2007 autobiography “Promises to Keep” that he had been angry at that rally since “it sounded to me that one of my own supporters doubted my intelligence.” According to a 1987 Newsweek piece, a supporter had “politely” asked Biden what law school he attended and how well he had done. Biden bristled, saying “I think I have a much higher IQ than you do,” reeled off his fabricated accomplishments and concluded “I’d be delighted to sit down and compare my IQ to yours if you’d like, Frank.”

    The episode reminds us of Biden recently snapping “You’re full of sh*t” at an auto worker who dared to challenge Biden’s stance on guns; or calling an Iowa voter a “damn liar” for insinuating that Biden had helped his son gain access in Ukraine.

    The Newsweek reporter wrote that Biden appears “hyper, glib and intellectually insecure,” and says the 1987 encounter was critical to understanding why Biden’s first run at higher office flopped. “The clip…reflects a view of Biden’s character widely shared in the community. Reporters and political consultants long ago concluded that Biden’s chief character flaw was his tendency to wing it. He seems to lack a crucial synapse between brain and tongue, the one that makes the do-I-really-want-to-say-this decision.”

    That commentary holds up well, as today more than ever Biden blunders into conversational crevasses, with no way out. (Think: “If they believe Tara Reade, they probably shouldn’t vote for me.” A new Harvard-Harris poll shows 55 percent of the country believes Tara Reade. Game. Set. Match.)

    Biden’s 1987 campaign foundered also because he was caught lifting passages of a speech given by Neil Kinnock. Biden echoed (falsely) the British Labor leader’s history that he was the first “in a thousand generations” to graduate from college and repeated virtually verbatim the same story about his wife, just as Kinnock had.

    More shocking, Biden claimed: “My ancestors…worked in the coal mines of Northeast Pennsylvania and would come up after 12 hours and play football for four hours,’’ even though no one in Biden’s family tree ever worked underground. That was Kinnock’s family.

    It wasn’t the first time; Biden had also been caught plagiarizing during law school. He “borrowed” an entire five pages from a published law review article without attribution and had to beg not to be expelled.

    Interestingly, just last summer complaints arose about Biden “borrowing” the work of others, in putting together his climate plan. As Vox reported, Biden’s plan “contains a number of passages that seem to have been copied and pasted, at times with very superficial changes” from a variety of sources.

    Biden supporters will dismiss these episodes as being in the distant past. But Biden’s tendency to mislead did not expire in 1988. More recently, the former vice president has told audiences that after his stint in the White House, “I became a teacher. I became a professor.” While it is true that he took a lofty salary to make a handful of speeches for the University of Pennsylvania, Biden has never taught students.

    Then there was the inspiring tale of visiting Afghanistan to honor a heroic naval officer. Biden described the officer’s actions in detail, adding, “This is God’s truth, my word as a Biden.” But according to a review in the Washington Post, no such incident occurred. Biden was lucky not to be hit by lightning.

    There were also Biden’s claims of having been arrested in the 1970s because he tried to visit Nelson Mandela in prison. Nope, didn’t happen. He has also cast himself as a civil rights activist and co-sponsor of the Endangered Species Act; those things aren’t true either.

    Character does not change. Biden’s winning smile and genial nature have granted him license to mislead. But as Biden denies alleged misdeeds related to General Flynn, to his son Hunter’s involvement in Ukraine or to Tara Reade, his history of bending the truth is informative.’- source,thehill.com

    You bought him; you own him.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  87. @88-
    And yet, none of that made it into Trump campaign commercials. Go figure.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  88. So, Friday has come and gone, there is no indication Biden has started getting the briefings, and let’s see what those courageous GOP senators who assured us they were going to stand up to Trump are saying now:

    *crickets*

    Dave (1bb933)

  89. @89. Or CNN reportage. Or MSNBC reportage, etc., etc.

    DCSCA (797bc0)


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