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9/3/2020

BREAKING: Michael Reinoehl Killed in Shootout with Authorities

Filed under: General — JVW @ 8:56 pm



[guest post by JVW]

The New York Times reports:

A man being investigated in the fatal shooting of a right-wing activist who was part of a pro-Trump caravan in Portland, Ore., was killed on Thursday night when authorities moved to arrest him, according to three law enforcement officials familiar with the investigation.

The officials said the suspect, Michael Forest Reinoehl, 48, was killed during the encounter in Lacey, Wash., southwest of Seattle, when a federal fugitive task force moved to apprehend him.

An arrest warrant had been issued by the Portland police earlier Thursday, on the same day that Vice News published an interview with Mr. Reinoehl in which he appeared to admit to the shooting, saying, “I had no choice.”

The Portland police had been investigating Saturday’s shooting death of Aaron J. Danielson, one of the supporters of President Trump who came into downtown Portland and clashed with protesters demonstrating against racial injustice and police brutality.

I guess that puts a real kink in the argument that he acted in self-defense or otherwise had no choice.

– JVW

46 Responses to “BREAKING: Michael Reinoehl Killed in Shootout with Authorities”

  1. He sounds like a troubled soul, his mind poisoned by extremist politics. An all-too common story these days, unfortunately.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  2. Edit: I changed the headline from “with Police” to “with Authorities” since it sounds like it was federal officials who had cornered him and planned to make the arrest.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  3. This saves the Portland community a few bucks they can use on new windows and such.

    Dustin (825e2c)

  4. Maybe the people who are attracted to this macabre street theater are yet another example of Darwin’s survival of the fittest. The fittest stay home.

    norcal (a5428a)

  5. Also puts a kink in the argument that no charges would be forthcoming and he was going to get off scot-free.

    Dave (1bb933)

  6. Suicide by cop? It sounds like there were probably some mental health issues there.

    Nic (896fdf)

  7. Suicide by cop? It sounds like there were probably some mental health issues there.

    Oh for certain. The more you learn about him, the more you start to think that he was certifiably nuts, as are most of these street theater types for both antifa and the Proud Boys. I mean for example, what 47 year-old dad has a 100 mph drag race with his 17 year-old son on an interstate highway?

    But naturally, the antifa types are already starting to shovel up the bullstuff:

    Reese Monson, a leader in the local protest movement who also helps organize security, said all the people who helped with security in Portland, including Mr. Reinoehl, were trained on de-escalation.

    “He was excellent at that,” Mr. Monson said.

    Mr. Monson said the security designees have been trained to approach potential agitators and politely ask them to leave. They have also been trained on how to conduct physical removals but are cautioned to try to avoid such measures because they can cause things to escalate. Mr. Monson said Mr. Reinoehl would often come over to discuss how to appropriately handle potential agitators.

    I don’t believe one bit of that.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  8. Also puts a kink in the argument that no charges would be forthcoming and he was going to get off scot-free.

    If not for the feds, who once again step in to clean up a local mess.

    Had he been arrested days ago by Portland authorities, maybe he’d still be alive to plead self defense. Better yet, had he been arrested weeks ago after his first gun charge and kept off the streets….

    beer ‘n pretzels (7f2992)

  9. And the news now is that it technically wasn’t a “shootout” — Reinoehl pulled out a handgun but the authorities shot him dead before he could get off a shot. It does indeed sound a lot like suicide by cop.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  10. @9 Just because he pulled out a gun doesn’t mean he wanted to kill the authorities. And even if he pointed the gun, it doesn’t mean that he would shoot it. And even if he shot at the authorities and missed, it could have been a warning shot. No need to shoot him.

    norcal (a5428a)

  11. @7 not to mention that you can be trained in something and be good at it when you aren’t personally invested in a situation while totally losing your mind and forget any training you every had if you are personally invested.

    Nic (896fdf)

  12. If not for the feds, who once again step in to clean up a local mess.

    Well he left the state. What did you think city cops in Portland do when someone leaves Oregon?

    Had he been arrested days ago by Portland authorities, maybe he’d still be alive to plead self defense.

    True, but I think the twitter investigation was more conclusive and faster than a real one. It’s Ok to take a few days to work it out.

    Better yet, had he been arrested weeks ago after his first gun charge and kept off the streets….

    Without a doubt you’re right on this one. It’s so dangerous not to let these guys cool off. And the fact he fled the state shoes he probably wasn’t a good candidate for recognizance, if that’s how it worked.

    Dustin (825e2c)

  13. Forget about the Death Wish movie franchise. Just watch the street hooligans of America!

    norcal (a5428a)

  14. “ “Well honestly, those are…details that I probably don’t want to get into other than just simply saying I realized what happened,” Reinoehl said when asked about the immediate aftermath of the shooting. “I was confident that I did not hit anyone innocent and I made my exit.”

    https://nypost.com/2020/09/04/suspected-portland-protest-shooter-killed-by-federal-agents/
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    Hopefully since he was white there won’t be a caravan of thugs on their way to torch and loot Lacey WA.
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    harkin (cd4502)

  15. “Reese Monson, a leader in the local protest movement who also helps organize security, said all the people who helped with security in Portland, including Mr. Reinoehl, were trained on de-escalation.”
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    Many of them carry de-escalation rocks, lasers and fireworks.
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    harkin (cd4502)

  16. Many of them carry de-escalation rocks, lasers and fireworks.
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    harkin (cd4502) — 9/3/2020 @ 10:48 pm

    LOL

    This guy had a real big mouth, apparently after consulting with a defense attorney, and that’s with a murder trial hanging over his head. His judgment was impaired most of the time these choices were made, initial shooting, dumb interviews, and death. It would be interesting to learn if he was high, or if he had a serious mental illness.

    Regardless, this is someone who made severely irrational decisions. Reese Monson, whoever that is, relies on people who are violent and irrational for ‘de-escalation’ and then for physical removal of protesters Reese Monson doesn’t want around. That’s interesting. That’s something to look into.

    Dustin (825e2c)

  17. Jacob Delargy
    @J_Delargy

    The New York Times just scrubbed the accurate description of the far-left extremist being “an antifa supporter” from their report but made sure to continue smearing the victim as being “far-right”
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    Also just noticed that the NYT article JVW included calls the victim in Portland ‘right-wing’ while failing to call the shooter ‘left-wing’ or quote him as being ‘100 % Antifa’ (which they quickly got him to change to ‘not a member’).
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    harkin (cd4502)

  18. @6. Well, that’s one way to avoid Covid-19.

    Was he a bleach drinker,too?

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  19. I guess that puts a real kink in the argument that he acted in self-defense or otherwise had no choice.

    Sammy and Vicki Weaver would like a word.

    If forced to bet, I’d second your intuition. Just saying it’s too quick to draw even preliminary conclusions.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  20. Also just noticed that the NYT article JVW included calls the victim in Portland ‘right-wing’ while failing to call the shooter ‘left-wing’ or quote him as being ‘100 % Antifa’. . .

    It looks like they are lurching back and forth at the NYT. I did see the Tweets earlier that showed side-by-side screenshots of the original article with Reinoehl’s affiliation to antifa scrubbed in a subsequent edit, but I looked just moments ago and it is back to the original:

    Law enforcement agents shot and killed an antifa supporter on Thursday as they moved to arrest him in the fatal shooting of a right-wing activist who was part of a pro-Trump caravan in Portland, Ore., officials said.

    And the “100% antifa” quote from him appears in paragraph nine, as of this moment.

    So it sounds like the NYT got caught trying to retroactively downplay Mr. Reinoehl’s tie in with left-wing extremist groups and quietly restored the original version. Perhaps by tomorrow morning the antifa affiliation will once again go missing.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  21. Sounds like Reinoehl was more than just your average troubled soul. If he had been taken off the streets after his first armed run-in at a protest, maybe one life could have been saved.

    Interesting that the media is scrubbing his Antifa affiliation. I’m sure they are turning a blind eye to his social media accounts. Don’t want to go looking under those rocks – don’t want to get bit.

    Chances that he becomes a martyr to Antifa? Hard to say, but well over 50%.

    Hoi Polloi (dc4124)

  22. Dead men tell no tales. Now he’ll never explain how a 48-year old man with a couple of teenage children came to be agitating at protests that turn violent for some reason.

    nk (1d9030)

  23. He died defending himself against the criminal Trump regime!

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  24. You think I’m kidding? Just wait.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  25. Well, that is literally true. Whether he was what he appeared to be or an agent provocateur for that same criminal regime who needed to be silenced.

    nk (1d9030)

  26. And the news now is that it technically wasn’t a “shootout” — Reinoehl pulled out a handgun but the authorities shot him dead before he could get off a shot. It does indeed sound a lot like suicide by cop.

    JVW (ee64e4) — 9/3/2020 @ 10:14 pm

    Unless their is some hard to refute evidence the loony left will see this as evidence that the feds are working with white nationalists and that this was an execution on their behalf. Given the tension around the killing of Danielson I wish there had been a trial to establish what happened.

    FWIW I think this guy made terrible decisions. I have no trouble believing that he brandished a weapon at the police. But, like any killing, it’s too bad that he died.

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  27. @23, Kevin’s correct. I’m already seeing the narative on crazy left wing twitter.

    Take the clip of the police in Kenosha telling the militia members they appreciate their help. A couple of shots of police giving fist bumps to proud boys. Threats made on dumb-chan about hunting this guy down and killing him. He’s shot being apprehended. Add it all together and you get a nice internally consistent story that LEO and and white nationalists are working together to prevent reforms etc. etc.

    I think the people pushing that narrative are nuts btw.

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  28. He was a dead man as soon as he was identified. Trump could not afford to let him tell the world that all the violence attributed to Antifa is by Trump’s own agents who have infiltrated it.

    Don’t believe it, eh? Then please consider: What is the whole Trump phenomenon if not a false flag? Republicans in name only? Wolves in sheep’s clothing? False prophets preaching Satanic gospel? A jackass in a lion’s skin?

    nk (1d9030)

  29. @28, claims require proof. A plausible theory of a conspiracy that explains some of the events is not, by itself sufficient.

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  30. Well yeah, Reinoehl had no choice. Danielson used pepper spray. He had to die.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  31. Will white people turn him into a hero and protest his death?

    BillPasadena (5b0401)

  32. I could be wrong in one particular. Just because we see the disorder helping Trump, it doesn’t mean that the Deep State Coup (DSC) sees it that way, too. It could as easily be a DSC operation to hurt Trump as an FSB operation to help Trump. After all, the 1992 Rodney King riots are widely believed to have hurt Bush 41’s law and order credentials contributing to his loss.

    Those people … who knows how their minds spin?

    nk (1d9030)

  33. nk’s judgement has apparently been consumed by his hate-Trump filter. The same one that leads to rejecting a Trump election win.

    Biden in a landslide: The American people have spoken!
    Biden in a squeaker: Biden’s landslide was neutralized by Trump’s cheating.
    Trump in a squeaker: Biden’s landslide was neutralized by Trump’s wide-spread cheating.
    Trump in a landslide: Biden’s landslide was neutralized by Trump’s mass cheating.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  34. In reality though, the Democrats control just about every part of the election process, from the post offices to the election apparatus to the secretaries of state in most places. To accuse Trump of cheating is just projection, and a cover for what is really going to happen.

    Some percentage of mail votes from certain zip codes is going to go astray, and be blamed on Trump’s (self-fulfilling) disparagement of mail voting.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  35. oops, wrong thread.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  36. At least seven staffers for Maine Democratic Senate candidate Sara Gideon donated to a bail fund that releases looters and other violent criminals from jail.

    Gideon’s staffers posted on social media about their donations to the Minnesota Freedom Fund, a group that pays criminal bail for protesters and looters regardless of whether they were violent or which crimes they committed. The donations came after individuals involved with anti-police demonstrations began looting and burning businesses in Minneapolis.

    The Minnesota Freedom Fund has said it does not consider individuals’ charges before bailing them out. “I will see [the charges] after I pay the bill because it is not the point,” Greg Lewin, the fund’s interim executive director, said of the group’s efforts. “The point is the system we are fighting.”
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    There are actually people who think voting to put these types in the Executive Branch will fix the problem of Orange Man.
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    harkin (cd4502)

  37. Reinoehl was a fascist and an anarchist; he also brought his 16-yr-old daughter to the protests/riots and she carried a baseball bat.

    He also was a big supporter of Black Lives Matter; so he could also be called a Marxist..

    https://nypost.com/2020/09/01/antifa-man-eyed-in-portland-shooting-took-daughter-to-protests/

    https://heavy.com/news/2020/08/michael-reinoehl/

    Clearly Rienoehl went to the dark side. He was a rebel not only with the wrong cause, but a rebel without a clue.

    Unfortunately, there appears to be many more like him out there.

    Liberty & Truth require constant vigilance. GLZ.

    Gary L. Zerman (a1521c)

  38. Michael Forest Reinoehl, say his name!

    Patterico (115b1f)

  39. Mr. Reinoehl was one of a number of fine people on either side.

    John B Boddie (bfc42b)

  40. Re # 38: Michael Forest Reinoehl, say his name!

    Are you serious?

    I cannot say his name, but I can write his name. Which I did, just not his entire or complete name, which I did not believe he was deserving of. Moreover, his last name was used several times in the earlier posts (example: nos. 9, 14, 20, 21 & 26) – which you apparently ignored.

    I still cannot tell if you were/are serious, or not, as you did not addres the content of my post no. 37. If you were/are serious, Why? Please explain.

    Serious or not, you should be consistent.
    Liberty & Truth require constant vigilance. GLZ.

    Gary L. Zerman (a1521c)

  41. Reinoehl: Came to the city to provide “security” at a protest/riot. Killed another in “self-defense”.
    Rittenhouse: Came to the city to provide “security” at a protest/riot. Killed another in “self-defense”.
    For the latter, I’ll leave it to a jury to decide whether it was self-defense or “self-defense”.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  42. Michael Forest Reinoehl, say his name!

    I’ll be sure to inscribe it on my codpiece.

    Capsaicin Addict (041266)

  43. #38, a sample phonetic pronunciation for the last name would be nice.

    urbanleftbehind (43c191)

  44. Martyrs on both sides now, in Portland and Kenosha.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  45. @37 You realize that all those words have a meaning, right? They aren’t just generalized insults? You can’t actually be all three, because they contradict one another?

    Nic (896fdf)

  46. Just desserts for this murderer. I’m sure the left will lionize this murderer like they did the weather underground and other psychotic leftists.

    His rant to Vice reminded me of the Manson family.

    NJRob (856832)


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