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9/1/2020

Trump On His Way To Kenosha

Filed under: General — Dana @ 11:43 am



[guest post by Dana]

President Trump flew to Kenosha today in spite of Gov. Evers and the mayor requesting that he not come. He made these comments when he landed in Illinois en route to Wisconsin:

Trump told reporters he was traveling to Wisconsin to meet members of law enforcement and the National Guard who “put out the flame immediately.”

“It’s just been a great state — great people and we’re going to get it straightened out,” Trump told reporters after deplaning Air Force One in Waukegan, Illinois, before traveling to nearby Kenosha.

“Violence has stopped since the time the National Guard came — literally when they set their foot on this location it stopped,” Trump said. National Guard troops were in Kenosha starting last Monday, the day before Tuesday’s deadly shooting of two protesters.

It looks like Trump will have company in Kenosha:

Trump’s visit comes as the family of Blake, faith leaders from 50 organizations, including Rev. Jesse Jackson, are scheduled to hold their own event at the site where Blake was shot…

Oh, and a good thing Trump still has people willing to save him from himself :

While discussing the shooting of Jacob Blake with Fox News ahead of his visit to Kenosha, Wisconsin, President Donald Trump said some police officers who shoot unarmed suspects “choke,” as if missing a 3-foot putt in golf, a comment that drew social media criticism and mockery.

While discussing the situation in Kenosha during a White House news briefing on Monday, Trump said sometimes an officer “makes a mistake” or “chokes” under pressure.

Trump elaborated on that point later Monday during an interview on “The Ingraham Angle” on Fox News, during which he said police are “under siege.”

“They can do 10,000 great acts, which is what they do, and one bad apple – or a choker, you know, a choker, they choke – shooting the guy in the back many times,” Trump told host Laura Ingraham.

“I mean, couldn’t you have done something different? Couldn’t you have wrestled him?” Trump asked, wondering how the tragedy could have been avoided. “You know, I mean, in the meantime he might have been going for a weapon and, you know, there’s a whole big thing there.”

“But they choke, just like in a golf tournament, they miss a 3-foot putt,” Trump said as Ingraham, one his staunchest supporters in the news media, cut him off.

“You’re not comparing it to golf, because that’s what the media would say,” Ingraham said.

–Dana

162 Responses to “Trump On His Way To Kenosha”

  1. Oh brother.

    Dana (292df6)

  2. President Trump flew to Kenosha today in spite of Gov. Evers and the mayor requesting that he not come.

    Assuming the Gov and the Mayor voted party line in 2016, why should their 2 votes outweigh the people who voted, or who will vote, for Trump?

    BuDuh (fbb658)

  3. Flippin’ tornadoes! They’re never around when you need one.

    nk (1d9030)

  4. In reading the latest progressive spin on the rioting, I am struck at how they think they can get away with trying to make us believe that there is some sort of peaceful BLM crew who marches and protests from noon to 8:00 pm, and then at 8:00 pm they depart and are replaced by raging anarchists from antifa. As if there were a factory whistle signaling the shift change and protesters punching in and out using time-clocks. The reality is that a whole lot of those violent antifa folks are protesting side by side with the “peaceful” crew throughout the day, despite how the Democrats and their media allies want to frame this, and a lot of these “peaceful” BLM protesters are happy to smash windows and set fires after the sun goes down. I think someone from the Trump campaign ought to make that point clear.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  5. “You’re not comparing it to golf, because that’s what the media would say,”

    Fake news media are always saying that Trump said what he said. Or just playing the clips. Don’t believe them!

    Radegunda (e1ea47)

  6. I mean, why would we think he may have had a stroke? At least that would be an excuse, if he didn’t have a stroke then he’s just a total dumbutt, which is better? Stroke probably, mentally defective for sure.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  7. At this rate, a debate between the 2 will look like a Scanners (1981) scene.

    urbanleftbehind (d7454c)

  8. What this country needs is more politically aware weather systems, that’s what this country needs.

    nk (1d9030)

  9. In perusing the Twitter feeds of the more obvious left-leaning journos, they don’t appear to be posting photos of burnt-out and destroyed buildings in Kenosha for some weird reason…

    Dana (292df6)

  10. In reading the latest progressive spin on the rioting, I am struck at how they think they can get away with trying to make us believe that there is some sort of peaceful BLM crew who marches and protests from noon to 8:00 pm, and then at 8:00 pm they depart and are replaced by raging anarchists from antifa. As if there were a factory whistle signaling the shift change and protesters punching in and out using time-clocks. The reality is that a whole lot of those violent antifa folks are protesting side by side with the “peaceful” crew throughout the day, despite how the Democrats and their media allies want to frame this, and a lot of these “peaceful” BLM protesters are happy to smash windows and set fires after the sun goes down. I think someone from the Trump campaign ought to make that point clear.

    JVW (ee64e4) — 9/1/2020 @ 12:05 pm

    From what i read about the protland riots there were large, peaceful protests during the day and evening. Most of the people go home and what’s left are violent a-holes.

    Similar thing happened near me. Large march and speeches with no issues. 4 hours after dark it thing went bad and the police started making arrests.

    The a-holes are there with the decent people, but eventually the decent people leave.

    I don’t have a solution or any real disagreement with you.

    Time123 (306531)

  11. There’s no reason to think this is a reasonable expectation, but I hope Trump finds something to say that will improve the situation. He has tremendous influence over his supporters and this would be a great time to call for deescalation.

    Two groups of angry culture warriors getting closer and closer while screaming some version of “I’m not touching you. I have a right to be here” will inevitably result in violence.

    From what I’ve been reading this problem is fixed by using enough force to keep the peace, but not so much force (or in a way) that it’s perceived as unjust and increases turnout. Which is hard to do.

    Time123 (89dfb2)

  12. Ike went to Korea.
    Trump went to Kenosha.
    Biden went to… Pittsburgh.

    The flight distance between Wilmington, Delaware and Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania is approximately 240 miles each way — and the flight time is 29 minutes. Each way.

    Golly, Joe– jet lag is really rough to recover from, ain’t it… accordingly, per his campaign handlers: Plagiarist JoeyBee has no live events scheduled for today.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  13. I’m going to post this here because it’s about Kenosha and it’s really good. I can’t excerpt it without leaving out good stuff. So i’ll grab the top and hope people check it out.

    Your opinion of Kyle Rittenhouse is probably wrong, judging by the commentary on television, in print, and on social media.

    The 17-year-old charged with two homicides in Kenosha, Wisconsin, was not a hero vigilante, nor was he a predatory white supremacist. He was, the evidence suggests, a foolish boy whose foolish decisions have taken two lives and ruined his own.

    If you go armed with a rifle to police a violent protest, you are behaving recklessly. The bad consequences stemming from that decision are at least partly your fault.

    In life, there are horrible situations in which there are no good decisions or where it is extremely easy to make the wrong decision. So when we can avoid these horrible situations, we ought to.

    …First, there’s no evidence he’s a white supremacist. Other armed men who were there in the name of protecting Kenosha businesses were white supremacists, but Rittenhouse notably wasn’t part of that group.

    Second, the evidence suggests he wasn’t there to hunt down protesters. At one point, he offers first aid to a wounded protester.

    Thirdly, when Rittenhouse shot the men he shot, they were chasing him and attacking him, while others were firing handguns nearby. That is, every time Rittenhouse pulled the trigger, it was plausibly in self-defense.

    Time123 (89dfb2)

  14. Wait until you see the riots after Rittenhouse is not found guilty.

    Hoi Polloi (dc4124)

  15. GOP Sen. Ron Johnson Touts ‘Citizen Soldiers’ To ‘Overwhelm Rioters’
    Sen. Ron Johnson, a Wisconsin Republican, said that “citizen soldiers” should mobilize to “overwhelm rioters” on the streets of America.

    As for the fatal shooting of protesters in Kenosha last week, he said in a CNN interview Sunday: “Two people died because citizens took matters into their own hands. I’m not for vigilantism; I’m not sure that’s what was happening.”

    Johnson declared that “the way you stop the violence, the way you stop the rioting, is you surge manpower and resources, citizen soldiers, National Guard, and you overwhelm the number of rioters.”
    …….

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  16. Original:

    If you go armed with a rifle to police a violent protest, you are behaving recklessly. The bad consequences stemming from that decision are at least partly your fault.

    Mad Libs template:

    If you go _________ with a ________ to _______ a/at a _______ _______, you are behaving recklessly. The bad consequences stemming from that decision are at least partly your fault.

    Result:

    If you go dancing with a short skirt to shake it at a drunk filled nightclub you are behaving recklessly. The bad consequences stemming from that decision are at least partly your fault.

    BuDuh (858ff2)

  17. The next paragraph that Rip, who usually quotes many, many, many paragraphs, starts with this:

    Ben Voelkel, a spokesman for Johnson, told HuffPost that the senator was “of course” referring to the National Guard as “citizen soldiers.” Guard members are known as citizen soldiers,…

    Oh. It was clarified. So much for that bit of non news.

    BuDuh (39de4a)

  18. Budah, Way to pick sexual assault as an example. One of the few areas where people have historically blamed the victim rather than hold perpetrators accountable for their crimes. I assume you didn’t bother to read the whole article? Or do you think a 17 year old illegally take a rifle to a riot was a good idea?

    Time123 (89dfb2)

  19. 17 year old illegally take a rifle to a riot

    Has this been verified?

    BuDuh (39de4a)

  20. @18-
    And you, BuhDuh, edited out “but the term is also used to refer to private militias — like the Kenosha Guard that recruited members on Facebook until their page was shut down for violating the social platform’s ban on militias.”

    I believe Sen. Johnson distinguished between “citizen soldiers” and “National Guard” (which are not one and the same) in his statement. If Sen. Johnson meant to say they were the same, he would have said so. And not some clean-up statement by his interpreter.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  21. More info on the rifle and the laws:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J2RJ-iv2VyQ

    The jury certainly isn’t out on this one. Not by a long shot.

    BuDuh (39de4a)

  22. rip is still stuck on the moon, you have armed trained and recruited mobs that are targeting every city, today kenosha, tomorrow plano texas, and the examiner throws everyone under the bus,

    no the national guard isn’t sufficient, because you have jackass governors like evers, who don’t provide enough personnel,

    meanwhile mayor bowsers advisory commission, wants to remove or relocate every structure including the washington monument,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  23. but the term is also used to refer to private militias — like the Kenosha Guard that recruited members on Facebook until their page was shut down for violating the social platform’s ban on militias.”

    I did note that it was a paragraph that started with the portion that I quoted. No deception. As far as the rest of the paragraph, it is gratuitous garbage for dim bulbs. It does not matter what else the term may mean it the intended definition is clarified.

    BuDuh (39de4a)

  24. For the record, I am not calling you a dim bulb, Rip. I should have stated that the author is the dim bulb.

    BuDuh (39de4a)

  25. 17 year old illegally take a rifle to a riot

    Has this been verified?

    BuDuh (39de4a) — 9/1/2020 @ 2:16 pm

    Not sure what you mean by verified.
    He’s been charged with carrying a deadly weapon as a 17 year old which is illegal in Wisconsin except for purposes of hunting. We’ll see what a Jury finds.

    Time123 (89dfb2)

  26. which is illegal in Wisconsin except for purposes of hunting

    Not according to his lawyer.

    BuDuh (39de4a)

  27. Here’s what the law says. he has a right to argue what he likes in his defense. I cut out the long explanation of what a weapon is. Again, we’ll see what a jury finds. I wonder if we’ll see charges for the person that gave him the weapon?

    948.60  Possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18.
    (1)  In this section, “dangerous weapon” means any firearm, loaded or unloaded; any electric weapon…

    (2) 
    (a) Any person under 18 years of age who possesses or goes armed with a dangerous weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.
    (b) Except as provided in par. (c), any person who intentionally sells, loans or gives a dangerous weapon to a person under 18 years of age is guilty of a Class I felony.
    (c) Whoever violates par. (b) is guilty of a Class H felony if the person under 18 years of age under par. (b) discharges the firearm and the discharge causes death to himself, herself or another.
    (d) A person under 17 years of age who has violated this subsection is subject to the provisions of ch. 938 unless jurisdiction is waived under s. 938.18 or the person is subject to the jurisdiction of a court of criminal jurisdiction under s. 938.183.
    (3) 
    (a) This section does not apply to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a dangerous weapon when the dangerous weapon is being used in target practice under the supervision of an adult or in a course of instruction in the traditional and proper use of the dangerous weapon under the supervision of an adult. This section does not apply to an adult who transfers a dangerous weapon to a person under 18 years of age for use only in target practice under the adult’s supervision or in a course of instruction in the traditional and proper use of the dangerous weapon under the adult’s supervision.
    (b) This section does not apply to a person under 18 years of age who is a member of the armed forces or national guard and who possesses or is armed with a dangerous weapon in the line of duty. This section does not apply to an adult who is a member of the armed forces or national guard and who transfers a dangerous weapon to a person under 18 years of age in the line of duty.
    (c) This section applies only to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a rifle or a shotgun if the person is in violation of s. 941.28 or is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593. This section applies only to an adult who transfers a firearm to a person under 18 years of age if the person under 18 years of age is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593 or to an adult who is in violation of

    Time123 (306531)

  28. From HuffPo of many years ago:

    On January 31st the independent Commission on the National Guard and Reserves will assert in its final report that the Pentagon will continue its heavy reliance on America’s citizen soldiers for both homeland defense duty and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    https://www.m.huffpost.com/us/entry/84179

    BuDuh (39de4a)

  29. I didn’t see “hunting” in there, Time.

    BuDuh (39de4a)

  30. you understand it’s not about the confederate flag, as much as miss haley thought it was,

    https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/01/democrat-mayors-committee-proposes-removing-or-shaming-washington-dc-memorials/

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  31. Not according to his lawyer.

    Please link to his lawyer denying he’s been charged with the thing that he’s been charged with, because reality is saying that you don’t appear to understand between the charge and his lawyers claim that:

    Rittenhouse’s attorney, John Pierce of Pierce Bainbridge, plans to fight the underage weapons possession charge, arguing that at 17, his client could be part of the “well regulated Militia” mentioned in the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Put another way, Pierce will likely argue that Wisconsin’s ban on firearms possession by 17-year-olds is unconstitutional because a 17-year-old minor is on the same Second Amendment footing as an adult.

    Therefore, the argument goes, the Wisconsin law unconstitutionally restricts Second Amendment-protected firearms possession. Pierce will likely add that the American colonies expected, and sometimes required, citizens under 18 to have and bear arms.

    That will be a reach, for several reasons. In the 2008 Supreme Court case District of Columbia v. Heller, Justice Antonin Scalia expressly stated that “Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited.” Up through the 19th century, “commentators and courts routinely explained that the right was not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose,” he added.

    Scalia’s opinion listed examples of valid, “longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.”

    Underage possession of firearms was not specifically mentioned on that list, but the court added that this “list does not purport to be exhaustive.”

    In other cases on gun rights since the Supreme Court ruled on Heller, federal courts have held that modern “under 21” restrictions on handgun purchases are “firmly historically rooted” and that the “right to keep arms in the founding period did not extend to juveniles.”

    He can argue whatever he wants, but that’s the worst possible argument that he could make. Self defense for all the other charges may be likely, but not so much on the obvious fact that he had what he’s not allowed to have in the state of Wisconsin without supervision.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  32. I only saw the interview I posted, Clink. Thanks for the additional info. The quote you posted did not have a source link. It alone interesting to read the lawyer’s statement. I appreciate it.

    BuDuh (39de4a)

  33. @21

    @18-
    And you, BuhDuh, edited out “but the term is also used to refer to private militias — like the Kenosha Guard that recruited members on Facebook until their page was shut down for violating the social platform’s ban on militias.”

    I believe Sen. Johnson distinguished between “citizen soldiers” and “National Guard” (which are not one and the same) in his statement. If Sen. Johnson meant to say they were the same, he would have said so. And not some clean-up statement by his interpreter.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 9/1/2020 @ 2:17 pm

    Citizen soldiers were the National Guard for as long as I can remember.

    What folks are thinking of are the militias.

    “Organized Militias” being the National Guard.

    The “Unorganized Militas”is by law every able-bodied male aged 18 to 44 who was a citizen or intended to become one.

    whembly (15c62b)

  34. Citizen soldiers were the National Guard for as long as I can remember.

    National guard, reserves, big green, citizenship is not required for any of them.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  35. Citizen-Soldier for Life is an Army National Guard program that offer career readiness support and financial training to National Guard members, their families, veterans and retirees. They offer events to help those veterans find jobs in the civilian work force as well as professional networking.

    https://tmd.texas.gov/supporting-guardsmen-and-families-from-deployment-to-retirement

    BuDuh (39de4a)

  36. We are citizen soldiers and we find our highest calling in serving our fellow citizens, no matter where duty calls us,” said Major General Tracy R. Norris, the adjutant general of Texas and commander of the Texas National Guard. “This will be no easy task but we have faced difficult times before. With the commitment of our soldiers and support of the community we will show the world that we are Texas strong and Texas proud, and together we will overcome this challenge.”

    https://gov.texas.gov/news/post/governor-abbott-announces-national-guard-deployment-in-support-of-covid-19-response

    BuDuh (39de4a)

  37. If its “intended” and not “is worthy of” or “legally eligible for consideration”, a Caravanista in his best Uncle Sam getup…has a chance to be unorganized militia? Let’s say one of the businesses housed an illegal alien relative (e.g. the “child upstairs” or “elderly upstairs”) and they killed in defense of said business or property, provided business owner is born, naturiled or legal alien. What then.

    urbanleftbehind (d7454c)

  38. BuDuh, cool story bro, and? That’s definitely a link to a completely unrelated thing.

    You still don’t have to be a citizen to be in the military. It can help you become a citizen in some cases.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  39. Whether or not citizens are the only members of the Nat Guard wasn’t the topic. Whether or not the National Guard is referred to as “citizen soldiers” was the topic.

    That is cool if you ask me.

    BuDuh (8d7844)

  40. Trump to Kenosha
    Biden to the cellar
    HUH to the sofa

    mg (8cbc69)

  41. So Johnson is either an idiot too, and doesn’t know that you don’t have to citizen to be in the National Guard, or he did.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  42. johnson was equivocating about handling the rioters last week, just like general milley sent a signal, when he apologized for a presence at st. johns church, but this is what you reaped when you said lets give the democrats power, and that’s what you want for the rest of us, and junk like lawfare is right in step with the black bloc, and the thousand currents movements, like the sds and the black liberation army, you are familiar with those aren’t you,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  43. Johnson used approved synonyms, Klink. You are getting nasty for reasons I don’t understand. That makes this less fun. Time to do something else.

    BuDuh (c8b75c)

  44. Josh Campbell [CNN]
    @joshscampbell
    Good morning from wonderful Portland, where the city is not under siege and buildings are not burning to the ground.

    I also ate my breakfast burrito outside today and so far haven’t been attacked by shadowy gangs of Antifa commandos.
    __ _

    Danger_Dad
    @Danger_Dad_E3
    ·
    I am in Portland. For three months, Antifa/BLM have run ransack through downtown nightly, burning and looting. @OregonGovBrown recently asked neighboring counties to lend Deputies to help keep check [attached]. Don’t deceive yourself that nothing’s wrong.

    https://twitter.com/Danger_Dad_E3/status/1300895218338652160?s=20
    __ _

    Max Nordau
    @MaxNordau
    ·
    Can you apply this logic of “Look at all of the places where there aren’t any problems” to police shootings?
    __ _

    Andy Ngô
    @MrAndyNgo
    ·
    Antifa rioters have grown the fire outside @tedwheeler’s condo in NW Portland. There is black smoke everywhere on the street. Meanwhile, they are still shining lights into people’s homes. [video]
    #PortlandRiots

    https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1300674362891145216?s=20
    __ _

    MrSealRose
    @MrSeal5
    ·
    Lol using ngo professional fanfiction writer as a source always gives me a good laugh
    _ _

    Zach
    @zwatson18
    ·
    Never realized unaltered video biased
    __ _

    MrSealRose
    @MrSeal5
    ·
    There’s a thing called selectively filming and editorializing other peoples videos lol
    __ _

    Jasnotron
    @jasnotron
    ·
    Like taking a picture of a place you had coffee during the morning and declaring all is peaceful and calm in the city ?

    _

    harkin (cd4502)

  45. comey’s water boy, the one who made sure that dangerous criminal roger stone was being apprehended,

    https://nypost.com/2020/09/01/nancy-pelosi-gets-hair-done-at-sf-salon-in-spite-of-covid-19-rules/

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  46. Since Kyle Rittenhouse lives in Illinois, he is a citizen soldier of Wisconsin only under the Communist International definition of citizen.

    nk (1d9030)

  47. The US Code defines “unorganized militias” and age ranges, which is 17 to 44. However, I don’t know which law supersedes, Wisconsin or federal, in this case. I’m inclined to think the former, which is the more federalist take on the issue, but IANAL.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  48. I suspect that Section, 10 USC 246, just defines whom Congress can draft under Article I, Section 8, Clause 15, of the Constitution, Paul:

    “To provide for the calling of the militia to execute the laws of the Union, suppress insurrections, and repel invasions.”

    In fact, I’m pretty sure that’s all that it does.

    nk (1d9030)

  49. Trump is a man who has been insulated from common life since he was born. This isn’t all that unusual in our presidents, but it is often not good. Not only doesn’t he know the price of milk, he’s not all that sure where people buy milk. To him, it comes in glasses from the servants.

    I’m not surprised when he fails at analogies. But he’s too stupid to stop doing so, and he is surrounded by people who won’t even suggest it. I guess golfing analogies are better than gardening ones.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  50. I also must have missed where Rittenhouse was in a recognized militia of the United States, heck, even an unrecognized militia. He was/is a deluded child who made, and allowed to make, a series of terrible decisions.

    So whatever Johnson was spouting, he was adding 1+bananas+soap=something.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  51. I thought of you, Keuvin M, and your annoyance with bike lanes supplanted through traffic lanes, when this kerfuffle came on the news:

    http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/09/01/protesters-surround-sheriffs-station-demand-answers-after-bicyclist-shot-killed-by-deputies-in-south-la/

    urbanleftbehind (d7454c)

  52. Trump Says Nobody Wants to Mention Antifa, But He’s Cracking Down on The ‘Very Bad’ Group: ‘We Are Doing a Big Number’ on Them

    President Donald Trump on Tuesday touted his administration’s stance against antifa, telling a gathering of law enforcement officials in Kenosha, Wisconsin that his administration is “doing a big number” on the group.

    “They don’t want to mention the word ‘antifa,’” Trump said at an afternoon roundtable with police officials, in reference to the media. “Nobody wants to mention it. This is a bad group of people. Very, very bad, very dangerous group of people. And we are doing a big number on antifa. They’re bad.”
    …….
    Related: Tucker Carlson Asks DHS Sec. Chad Wolf: ‘Why Haven’t We Seen the Leaders of Antifa and BLM Arrested and Charged?’
    …..
    …..Carlson questioned Wolf on whether he thinks DHS is getting enough help from the DOJ, asking, “Why haven’t we seen the leaders of Antifa and BLM arrested and charged for conspiracy under, say, RICO, like the heads of the Mafia families were?”

    Wolf said he’s spoken with Attorney General Bill Barr and that “they are working on it.” He talked about the number of arrests across the country of people at these riots, saying many of them were arrested in Portland.

    He added that the DOJ is targeting and investigating the head of these organizations’ and the people “paying for these individuals to move across the country.”
    …..
    My guess is that there is no Antifa or BLM “leadership” to arrest. They are decentralized, locally organized groups.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  53. My guess is that there is no Antifa or BLM “leadership” to arrest. They are decentralized, locally organized groups.

    Sure, Rip, like this guy:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8685967/BLM-protester-arrested-DC-Kenosha-Portland-riots.html

    beer ‘n pretzels (91a694)

  54. I didn’t see “hunting” in there, Time.

    BuDuh (39de4a) — 9/1/2020 @ 2:47 pm

    Might fall under the traditional and proper use of a dangerous weapon?

    (a) This section does not apply to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a dangerous weapon when the dangerous weapon is being used in target practice under the supervision of an adult or in a course of instruction in the traditional and proper use of the dangerous weapon under the supervision of an adult.

    Time123 (af99e9)

  55. Law and order, Democrat style:

    Michael Forest Reinoehl, a man under investigation in connection with Saturday night’s fatal shooting of a Patriot Prayer supporter, was shot in the arm in late July when he tried to wrestle a gun away from a stranger during a chaotic scuffle in downtown Portland.

    Portland police are continuing to investigate the skirmish that sent both Reinoehl and the owner of the gun to the hospital. They have made no arrests.

    The confrontation was the second time that month that Reinoehl was involved with a gun in downtown. He had been cited by police July 5 for allegedly having a loaded gun in public, though by the end of the month prosecutors had dropped the charge.

    Joining the fight was a man who ended up getting arrested in a separate assault in August, accused of kicking another man in the head and knocking him unconscious on Southwest Broadway. The attack was caught on video and went viral.

    https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/09/man-under-investigation-in-fatal-shooting-of-patriot-prayer-supporter-wounded-in-july-after-trying-to-grab-gun-from-stranger.html

    Read the whole thing. What a gentleman. This is who Portland allows to roam their streets.

    beer ‘n pretzels (91a694)

  56. B&P,

    your 6:57pm remarks will be ignored as they are not helpful to the cause of the “reasonable” leftist that has become so popular lately.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  57. Folks, this it too f*cking ridiculous…

    “And you have people coming over with bags of soup—big bags of soup. And they lay it on the ground, and the anarchists take it and they start throwing it at our cops, at our police,” Trump said. “And if it hits you, that’s worse than a brick because that’s got force. It’s the perfect size. It’s, like, made perfect.”
    He continued: “And when they get caught, they say, ‘No, this is just soup for my family.’ And then the media says, ‘This is just soup. These people are very, very innocent. They’re innocent people. These are just protesters. Isn’t it wonderful to allow protesting?’”

    Good lord. I might’ve said it before, but it bears repeating: Presume Trump is talking out of his a$$ everything Trump says is false until proven true.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  58. Paul, this:

    Plaintiffs do not dispute that, in some instances, officers deployed tear gas after individuals, within a larger crowd of peaceful protestors, threw water bottles and fireworks. {Defendant also asserts that officers have been targeted with other projectiles, including “bricks, full cans of soup, frozen water bottles, full water bottles, rocks, steel sling shot balls, fireworks, bottles, beer cans, flares and many other items.”}

    Dana (292df6)

  59. “Big bags of soup”, Dana. His words, straight out of a$$.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  60. We can’t talk about Trump going to Kenosha without addressing his flirty little tap shoes. Even his stated height is a fraud, like his hair, like his spray tan, like his presidency.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  61. MG, that’s the dumbest claim I’ve seen in a long time. There have been 180,000-245,000 deaths in 2020 that are in excess of the previous 5 year average. What do you think actually caused them if it wasn’t covid?

    Time123 (b87ded)

  62. What do you think actually caused them if it wasn’t covid?

    BLM and antifa.

    Duh.

    Dave (1bb933)

  63. Nothing Trump does or says can be trusted. This small silly lie is just another data point that he’s completely unreliable. I don’t see how telling the truth would have changed the narative in any meaningful way. But like all garbage people trump is too weak to pick the right thing when it’s possible to lie.

    A Kenosha business owner is accusing President Donald Trump of using his destroyed store for political gain.

    Tom Gram’s century-old camera shop burned to the ground a week ago during the unrest in Uptown Kenosha. Gram said he declined President Trump’s request to be a part of his tour of damage Tuesday in Kenosha. Instead, a former owner of the shop was invited and he praised the president’s efforts.

    “I think he needs to bring this country together rather than divide it,” Gram said.

    “I think there’s a lot of good people in this community and to say that only law enforcement is correct is not the message we need to hear right now,” Gram said.

    Time123 (b87ded)

  64. From Time’s link:

    Rode does not own Rode’s Camera Shop. However, he does own the property,

    Property owners should not be allowed to visit their burned down property if their tenant does not like Trump. Why? Because Trump.

    BuDuh (ef90b5)

  65. @67, Thank you for confirming that Trump lied, again. Had he said the man he was talking to was the land lord he would have been correct. But he didn’t. Maybe he didn’t know what he said was wrong. There has been talk of a stroke. Maybe his inability to correctly present information is medical in nature.

    All i know is this is yet another data point, of many, that you can’t rely on his statements to be accurate.

    “John Rode III, owner of Rode’s Camera Shop,” President Trump said as he introduced Rode during a round table conversation on Tuesday.

    Rode does not own Rode’s Camera Shop. However, he does own the property, located at 2204 Roosevelt Road in Kenosha, the site of Rode’s Camera Shop.

    Time123 (b87ded)

  66. And what was Rode’s reply, Time?

    BuDuh (3c20f5)

  67. Does anybody suspect that all this new talk about Trump having a stroke, coupled with all the talk of Biden having a foot in the grave, is a Trump campaign tactic to make the race about Pence vs. Harris as well as Trump vs. Biden-succeeded-by-Harris?

    nk (1d9030)

  68. @69, you should look that up and let us know.

    Time123 (c9382b)

  69. @70, Seems very unlikely to me that Trump would execute a complicated strategy that would result in him not being the center of attention.

    Time123 (c9382b)

  70. Hahaha! I knew you had no idea what you were complaining about, Time. You find one person who had hurt feelings while skipping all the rest who were pleased with The President’s visit and message and conclude that you are concerned about strokes. Plenty of uplifting stuff happened at that round table, Time. Too bad you don’t care.

    BuDuh (3c20f5)

  71. This will have to conclude my fun at Patterico’s. There is too much negativity and too much grasping at straws to reinforce that negativity. I hope that you find happiness.

    BuDuh (3c20f5)

  72. edna mode everyone,

    https://dailycaller.com/2020/09/01/sarah-iannarone-portland-antifa-ted-wheeler/

    you know ed brockman, was right re the ant overlords,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  73. This will have to conclude my fun at Patterico’s. There is too much negativity and too much grasping at straws to reinforce that negativity.

    You say that every day, BuDuh, and it gives me a sad.

    nk (1d9030)

  74. @70 You might be onto something…

    There’s definitely a “stray voltage” concept here that many attribute to the organize chaos this administration perpetuates:
    https://crosbyja.wordpress.com/2018/06/25/the-stray-voltage-theory-of-communication/

    Charles C.W. Cooke offers the following answer:

    I have no doubt that, in part, Trump behaves as he does in order to provoke the people he dislikes into a frenzy. Among other things, the president is a troll — a thin-skinned one, at that — and his administration knows that, for many of its supporters, this sort of “fighting” is central to the man’s appeal. Moreover, it tends to work — as it has done for a while. Indeed, although Trump has pushed the practice to eleven, the tactic that Axios is describing was used deliberately, repeatedly, and successfully by his predecessor. As John Dickerson noted on Slate back in 2014, President Obama also exhibited the sort of “refined cynicism” necessary to tempt his opponents into overreaction:
    CBS’s Major Garrett writes in National Journal about a new version of the “stray voltage” theory of communication in which the president purposefully overstates his case knowing that it will create controversy. Garrett describes it this way: “Controversy sparks attention, attention provokes conversation, and conversation embeds previously unknown or marginalized ideas in the public consciousness.”

    The issue last week was the pay gap between men and women. The president issued executive orders to address the disparity, and Democrats pushed legislation in Congress. In making the case, the president and White House advisers used a figure they knew to be imprecise and controversial—a Census Bureau statistic that the median wages of working women in America are 77 percent of median wages earned by men.

    As Dickerson recorded, the idea was to keep the “national conversation” centered on an issue that favored the president’s party, and thereby to “troll the GOP”:

    Facts, schmacts. As long as people are talking about an issue where my party has an advantage with voters, it’s good. So, the theory goes, if I’m a Republican candidate, I benefit from conversations about budget deficits and spending restraint because voters trust Republicans more on the issue of the budget and spending restraint, and it excites Republican voters who care about those issues. Democrats have several reasons to keep stories about equal-pay equity in the news. It excites their voters, attracts female voters, and crowds out whatever the Republicans wanted to talk about (these days, Obamacare). It also sets a trap. The more Republicans have to talk about politically unfavorable issues, the greater chance they’ll slip up and say something dumb like candidates Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock did that can be exploited more broadly.

    Clearly, President Trump is doing the same thing with immigration. And, frankly, I’m not convinced he’s failing. … The very second that Trump backed down on the specific, he started to win again on the general. Increasingly, the Democratic party is adopting an immigration position that if followed to its conclusion leads to de facto, if not de jure, “open borders.” Trump knows this, and he knows he can count on the #Resistance to keep the topic in the news.

    Which brings me to a question: What the hell are his opponents thinking? Have they not noticed that their hysteria is mostly being ignored? Have they not started to worry that, worse, it might be having the opposite effect to the one intended? Do they not care that Trump’s approval is now where Ronald Reagan’s was, and where Bill Clinton’s was, and where Barack Obama’s was at the same point in their territories? That the generic ballot lead has shrunk again? Are they not aware that, when voters start to fear violence, mass-protest, and incipient mob rule, they vote for Republicans, not Democrats? Both the Axios story and its Obama-era counterpart on Slate focus heavily on the people generating the “stray voltage.” Neither acknowledges clearly enough that the trollees have agency, too. If the aim of Trump’s critics is to rack up retweets and send cable news hits viral, then they’re doing a superb job. Congrats! Your “[Terrible thing is happening.] [Nazi analogy.] This. Is. Not. Normal. It’s 2018. Think about that.” tweet got 74,000 likes! If the aim is to drive Trump from office and win public policy arguments, they’re losing — bigly.

    It isn’t that far-fetched that some Trump folks are clandestinely sending false stories to the media regarding Trump’s health just to put a huge spotlight on Biden’s health.

    That fits with this “stray voltage” theory…

    whembly (537f99)

  75. @73, A couple of false statements there

    1. I’m complaining that Trump lied again. A point you haven’t challenged.
    2. I’m not ‘concerned’ about strokes. I’m mocking Trump’s recent tweets on the subject and making fun of him.
    3. If the round table did good things it’s unfortunate that Trump’s inability to accurately present information detracted from that. You should post a link to some news on the good things they did. I’m not being sarcastic. If it’s out there share it.

    Time123 (c9382b)

  76. i don’t see the logic of that, its a squirrel move from the usual folks ‘who fell for the banana in the tail pipe’ schmidt, bought danchenko’s bar talk* hook line and sinker, as a connoisseur of fiction, it’s rather uninspired,

    *yes I’m not even bothering to cite the steele dossier,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  77. mifsud referenced in the other thread, was an asset for at least five friendly intelligence services, I tried to shoe horn him into my novella, in the chapters set in morocco and spain,

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  78. @78, Whembly, that’s a pretty decent theory. If they think presidential health favors Trump this keeps the topic in the news. It does run the risk of diminishing the contrast between the candidates. But I think mental capability is something the debates are going to settle. People will watch the debates and if Biden comes across as ‘normal’ it will settle the issue.

    Time123 (b87ded)

  79. makes for a more interesting story,

    https://meaninginhistory.blogspot.com/2020/09/the-mifsud-302.html

    bolivar de gris (7404b5)

  80. mg (8cbc69) — 9/2/2020 @ 2:54 am

    There’s no “con”. There’s no secret that people with underlying conditions are the most vulnerable. To quote an MD:

    I have Type 1 diabetes. I am healthy enough to run ultramarathons.
    If I get attacked by a bear & the ICU has trouble managing my blood sugar while caring for my bear attack wounds…and I die… the bear is the cause of my death.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  81. #82

    You will be the new James Joyce once that novella is published.

    Appalled (1a17de)

  82. posting for amusement purposes only
    it works
    mahalo

    mg (8cbc69)

  83. 81. This was the New York Post front page story Saturday, Today there is an editorial.

    https://nypost.com/2020/08/29/political-insider-explains-voter-fraud-with-mail-in-ballots/

    https://nypost.com/2020/08/31/mass-vote-by-mail-really-does-invite-fraud-we-must-guard-against-it

    It’s a bit confusing.

    This is the takeaway:

    1. This took place in New Jersey, in many elections.

    2. usually the candidate did not know what he was doing.

    3. It was easier in small local elections (probably because there;s a limited number of votes he can fraudulantly cast or lose, and also because the opposition is not aware or alert.

    4. Most of it is mail in ballots.

    5. The obstacle is not getting ablank ballot. They can be created with a copying machine (and they wouldn’t have marking to identify it because of the secret ballot) The obstacle is the envelopes. They must be collected from real voters.

    6. He’d have people go house to house, convincing voters to let them mail completed ballots on their behalf as a public service. But they wouldn’t put them in the mail just like that. They’d steam them open. If it was not to their liking. they’d remove the real ballot, place the counterfeit ballot inside the signed certificate, and reseal the envelope. “Five minutes per ballot tops,” he said.

    7. He said in the recent Paterson, New Jersey election the people who did that made a mistake – they put the ballots into only 3 mailboxes. He used to scatter them all over town.

    8. In close elections, partisans from both parties hash out and count ballots at the local board of elections — debating which ballots make the cut and which need to be thrown out because of irregularities. Any ballots that came from him were marked, like playing cards, with a bent corner along the voter certificate — which contains the voter signature — so Democratic Board of Election counters would know the fix was in and not to object. It s actually no longer bent by the time it gets to them, but if you look closely, you can see its been folded in the past..

    9. Sometimes he had postal employees in on the scheme. It could be that they didn’t deliver ballots to certain neighborhoods but gave them to him instead. He had some mail carriers in his crew. Strong union guys.

    Sometimes they’d intercept filled out ballots being returned in the post office, if, say, they figured 95% were going to the Republican.

    10. Another idea is assisted-living facilities or nursing homes where a nurse or aide is actually a paid operative. “…they go room by room by room to these old people who still want to feel like they’re relevant,” [They] literally fill it out for them.”

    11. Another idea is registering homeless voters and paying them for the ballots, which they can fill out. A poor alcoholic will sell his vote for very little cash, and won’t tell anyone. {the article doesn’t say that they took the ballot and filled it out themselves but that would make sense, after maybe getting his signature on the outside envelope) Or maybe they’d just give them the money and trust them to vote in person the way they wanted. The homeless person had no real opinion.

    12. When all else failed, they could try in person voting. They’d pick people who never voted in that kind of an election. They would fill an index cards with that person’s name and district, and maybe also give them the signature to try to copy (?), and give it to the fake voter.”In the rare instance that a real voter had already signed in and cast a ballot, the impersonator would just chalk it up to an innocent mistake and bolt.”

    Sammy Finkelman (b66da2)

  84. When the uni-party succeed in Pelosi becoming president in January the schiff will hit the fan.

    mg (8cbc69)

  85. 14. From the Washington Examiner article:

    While being chased by Rosenbaum, Rittenhouse apparently heard a gunshot behind him and turned to the sound of the gunshot to face Rosenbaum, who was lunging at him. Then, Rittenhouse shot and killed Rosenbaum.

    At that point, Rittenhouse tried to flee the scene, and he was pursued again. After he tripped and fell, three men, at least one of them armed with a gun, mobbed him, presumably trying to apprehend him for the first shooting. Others on the scene were armed and were firing at the same time. This was when Rittenhouse shot and killed Anthony Huber, who was attacking Rittenhouse with a skateboard.

    Hearing what sounded like a gunshot (is that verified?) would really have spooked Rittenhouse.

    Sammy Finkelman (b66da2)

  86. Pelosi becomes acting president only if there is an unresolved dispute in Congress as to how to count the Electoral votes, but enough of the House has been sworn in (there’s no minimum) to elect her Speaker. If the House has not elected a speaker, but the Senate is in session, either Senator Chuck Grassley or Patrick Leahy becomes acting president, depending on which political party holds the majority..

    Sammy Finkelman (b66da2)

  87. mg (8cbc69) — 9/2/2020 @ 8:36 am

    And it will all be the result of Trump’s malfeasance and incompetence, inflicted on us by the gullibility and foolishness of those who put him on the ballot, and into office.

    Dave (1bb933)

  88. @90

    14. From the Washington Examiner article:

    While being chased by Rosenbaum, Rittenhouse apparently heard a gunshot behind him and turned to the sound of the gunshot to face Rosenbaum, who was lunging at him. Then, Rittenhouse shot and killed Rosenbaum.
    At that point, Rittenhouse tried to flee the scene, and he was pursued again. After he tripped and fell, three men, at least one of them armed with a gun, mobbed him, presumably trying to apprehend him for the first shooting. Others on the scene were armed and were firing at the same time. This was when Rittenhouse shot and killed Anthony Huber, who was attacking Rittenhouse with a skateboard.

    Hearing what sounded like a gunshot (is that verified?) would really have spooked Rittenhouse.

    Sammy Finkelman (b66da2) — 9/2/2020 @ 8:47 am

    Yes, there were numerous accounts of gunshots right before Rittenhouse turned to confront Rosenbaum.

    FWIW… Rosenbaum was convicted and is a registered sex offender:
    https://inmatedatasearch.azcorrections.gov/PrintInmate.aspx?ID=172556

    whembly (537f99)

  89. @91

    Pelosi becomes acting president only if there is an unresolved dispute in Congress as to how to count the Electoral votes, but enough of the House has been sworn in (there’s no minimum) to elect her Speaker. If the House has not elected a speaker, but the Senate is in session, either Senator Chuck Grassley or Patrick Leahy becomes acting president, depending on which political party holds the majority..

    Sammy Finkelman (b66da2) — 9/2/2020 @ 8:51 am

    Not quite…via wiki:

    Pursuant to the 12th Amendment, the House of Representatives is required to go into session immediately after the counting of the electoral votes to vote for president if no candidate for the office receives a majority of the electoral votes. In this event, the House is limited to choosing from among the three candidates who received the most electoral votes. Each state delegation votes en bloc, with each state having a single vote. A candidate is required to receive an absolute majority of state delegation votes (currently 26 votes) in order for that candidate to become the president-elect. The District of Columbia, which is not a state, does not receive a vote. The House continues balloting until it elects a president.

    Pretty sure that the GOP states outnumbers the Democrat states (27 vs 23 or something like that).

    whembly (537f99)

  90. @93, and he appears to have been a difficult prisoner who did the full 10. Not that this justifies his shooting.

    Time123 (b87ded)

  91. @95

    @93, and he appears to have been a difficult prisoner who did the full 10. Not that this justifies his shooting.

    Time123 (b87ded) — 9/2/2020 @ 9:23 am

    Not by itself no… but, it shows Rosenbaum was indeed a very aggressive individual, so it’s not a stretch to believe that he pursued Rittenhouse to try to take his rifle (as he alleged).

    Furthermore, there were noises in the past that this was the “wrong” Rosenbaum to try to garner more sympathy here.

    whembly (fd0490)

  92. hey dave vote huh/2020

    mg (8cbc69)

  93. @96, I think the video of him yelling slurs earlier in the night does a better job of showing his state of mind.

    There was a fake image of him in the WI sex offender registry that Andy Ngo publicized that were talked about before…did see discussion that it the AZ conviction was for another guy.

    Time123 (c9382b)

  94. 6. He’d have people go house to house, convincing voters to let them mail completed ballots on their behalf as a public service. But they wouldn’t put them in the mail just like that. They’d steam them open. If it was not to their liking. they’d remove the real ballot, place the counterfeit ballot inside the signed certificate, and reseal the envelope. “Five minutes per ballot tops,” he said.

    7. He said in the recent Paterson, New Jersey election the people who did that made a mistake – they put the ballots into only 3 mailboxes. He used to scatter them all over town.

    8. In close elections, partisans from both parties hash out and count ballots at the local board of elections — debating which ballots make the cut and which need to be thrown out because of irregularities. Any ballots that came from him were marked, like playing cards, with a bent corner along the voter certificate — which contains the voter signature — so Democratic Board of Election counters would know the fix was in and not to object. It s actually no longer bent by the time it gets to them, but if you look closely, you can see its been folded in the past..

    9. Sometimes he had postal employees in on the scheme. It could be that they didn’t deliver ballots to certain neighborhoods but gave them to him instead. He had some mail carriers in his crew. Strong union guys.

    Sometimes they’d intercept filled out ballots being returned in the post office, if, say, they figured 95% were going to the Republican.

    10. Another idea is assisted-living facilities or nursing homes where a nurse or aide is actually a paid operative. “…they go room by room by room to these old people who still want to feel like they’re relevant,” [They] literally fill it out for them.”

    11. Another idea is registering homeless voters and paying them for the ballots, which they can fill out. A poor alcoholic will sell his vote for very little cash, and won’t tell anyone. {the article doesn’t say that they took the ballot and filled it out themselves but that would make sense, after maybe getting his signature on the outside envelope) Or maybe they’d just give them the money and trust them to vote in person the way they wanted. The homeless person had no real opinion.

    12. When all else failed, they could try in person voting. They’d pick people who never voted in that kind of an election. They would fill an index cards with that person’s name and district, and maybe also give them the signature to try to copy (?), and give it to the fake voter.”In the rare instance that a real voter had already signed in and cast a ballot, the impersonator would just chalk it up to an innocent mistake and bolt.”

    Sammy Finkelman (b66da2) — 9/2/2020 @ 8:36 am

    No wonder the left loves ballot harvesting so much. They can ensure the result.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  95. If you recall, derrick bell was a prime mover in the school of thought

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  96. Trump just shored up his support among evangelical women, or at least Becki Falwell, anyway. He tried to set up Sarah Sanders with Kim Jong Un. No word on whether he was going to watch.

    nk (1d9030)

  97. I actually remember this…
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/09/kamala-harris-isaac-espinoza-case-putting-ideology-before-justice/

    I remember it because, as an anti-death advocate, this shook me to my core that constantly makes me re-evaluate my anti-death penalty stance.

    whembly (fd0490)

  98. They have a da in a neighboring county just like that, her replacement is worse, its like invasion of the body snatchers.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  99. California’s death penalty is a fraud on the public. Just something for the politicians to posture about. The last execution in California was in 2006 and it will remain the last.

    nk (1d9030)

  100. I suppose that I will be a little upset if Trump avoids the death penalty when he is tried for murder and Harris is the President, but given a choice between a President who does not believe in the death penalty and a President who deserves the death penalty ….

    nk (1d9030)

  101. The punk killed his girlfriend and and african american cop the da still wouldnt charge, another perp buried his girlfriend in the backyard in pieces, it took a special prosecutor to charge.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  102. The morning Ensure kicked in; the 29 minute Wilmington-Pittsburgh-Wilmington jet lag quelled; Plagiarist JoeyBee doing lunch time whine from Wilmington, DE. Spotty incoherence.

    But OMG, taking questions BY COMMITTEE: his STAFF picking questioners…

    The roast beef or the shrimp at the Early Bird Special, Joe? Oh. Right– the staff will decide. Plagiarist JoeyBee says he’d like a ‘factchecker’ crawler on debate TeeVee screen. Defends Biden/Obama $800 billion bailout– says $ went to local government. That would be news to your Big Bank pals and automakers.

    “Angel dust” spread round???? WTF Joe?! Again with another street drug reference. You meant pixie dust, didn’t you, Joe? Or could it be Joe’s the junkie. What are you on to recover from 29 minute jet lag? And ‘swift boaters?’ It’s 2020 – not 2004, Joe.

    A running brook of pond scum babbling right outta the Swamp. Tries to leave- Fox reporter shouts question; irritated Joe turns, accuses Fox reporter of ‘always asking a hostile question’– then tries to answer.

    Hey, Joe: “no miracle is coming.”

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  103. Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler says he’s looking for a new place to live after his Pearl District condo building has been the site of repeated demonstrations, including on Monday when crowds demanded he resign and some people set fires and broke windows.

    https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2020/09/portland-mayor-says-hell-move-after-protest-outside-his-condo-building-draws-arrests-widespread-calls-for-change.html

    Wheeler faces a runoff election against a candidate even more extreme, and who has proclaimed allegiance to antifa.

    beer ‘n pretzels (992ab6)

  104. More law and order, Democrat style:

    A Portland driver is accused of hitting federal officers’ rental car twice over the weekend — once on Interstate 84 and again near a hospital, authorities say.

    Lonnie Vantewa Albert, 55, has been charged in federal court with assaulting a federal officer. He appeared in court Tuesday and was released from Multnomah County custody the same day.

    The officers left the downtown Edith Green-Wendell Wyatt Federal Building, which is next to the Multnomah County Justice Center, in Sunday’s early-morning hours, court documents show.

    They were on Interstate 84, heading to their hotel in a rental car, when one of them noticed an SUV passing them on the left.

    The officer who was driving noticed the SUV’s driver, later identified by authorities as Albert, glance toward him. The officer’s shoulder patch was visible, according to court documents.

    Albert turned sharply in front of the officers’ car, almost hitting it, according to the documents, and later hit the car. His car spun after hitting the officers’ car, and one of the officers got out to see if he was hurt.

    Albert eventually pursued the officers’ car and hit it a second time, the documents show. Portland police arrested him.

    https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2020/09/portland-driver-arrested-on-suspicion-of-hitting-federal-officers-rental-car-on-i-84-near-hospital.html

    beer ‘n pretzels (91a694)

  105. I suppose that I will be a little upset if Trump avoids the death penalty when he is tried for murder and Harris is the President, but given a choice between a President who does not believe in the death penalty and a President who deserves the death penalty ….

    nk (1d9030) — 9/2/2020 @ 10:49 am

    You are worse than Happyfeet ever was when you post garbage like this.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  106. Biden actually took questions today. He handled them reasonably well.
    Looking at the four national polls taken after the RNC convention, the average is Biden by 7. It’s going to get even uglier.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  107. Another jackass talking from his rear

    https://mobile.twitter.com/hollandcourtney/status/1301217763365617665

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  108. 113.Biden actually took questions today.

    BY COMMITTEE: his STAFF picking the questioners…

    ‘He handled them reasonably well…’

    ‘Angel dust.’ ‘Swift boaters.’

    ROFLMAOPIP. Yes, Ensure works wonders.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  109. A person who fires paintballs at you (which was caught on video) from the back of a passing pickup is committing assault, and such an act can be fairly interpreted as “inciting response”. Nevertheless, Mr. Reinoehl committed murder and he should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  110. A person who fires paintballs at you (which was caught on video) from the back of a passing pickup is committing assault, and such an act can be fairly interpreted as “inciting response”

    There is no video that shows the victim spraying or firing at Reinoehl with anything.

    How many times have we heard “inciting response” from you in reference to the clubs, nails, feces, laser beams, cans of soup Antifa and BLM have hurled at police and counter protesters? Zilch.

    beer ‘n pretzels (b1a479)

  111. There is no video that shows the victim spraying or firing at Reinoehl with anything.

    Yes, there is, from the same NYT link. Danielson fired pepper spray and was shot almost immediately after.

    How many times have we heard “inciting response” from you in reference to the clubs, nails, feces, laser beams, cans of soup Antifa and BLM have hurled at police and counter protesters? Zilch.

    I don’t know, but the “protesters” who damage property and commit violence are also “inciting response”. One standard, applied to all.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  112. @118, There are a lot of facts we don’t know about the shooting in Portland. But I haven’t seen anything that would suggest it was done in self defense.

    -If a-holes are driving around assaulting people with paint balls and pepper spray it doesn’t justify killing someone that agrees with them politically.
    -If the deceased was one of those a holes earlier in the day, and we don’t know that he was, it doesn’t justify someone shooting them later in the day.

    Biden’s answer, while close to being OK had two significant problems with it.
    He said the officer should be charged. I’m fine with investigated but I think calling for changes is premature.
    He misrepresented the circumstances of the shooting in Portland in a way that will inflame the situation and not calm it. I don’t think this was intentional. He volunteered that and it the message was that violence by the left isn’t OK. I think he just messed up his answer. But it’s still a screw up, especially since it was his idea to add it.

    Time123 (b87ded)

  113. If the deceased was one of those a holes earlier in the day, and we don’t know that he was…

    Yes, we do know he was one of those a-holes. The video of Mr. Danielson firing a paintball gun from the back of a moving pickup doesn’t lie.
    I agree, that Biden should’ve said “investigated”, not “charged”.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  114. Paul, the guy with the paint ball gun in the video is bigger and heavier set then danielson. They’re also dressed differently.

    Time123 (b87ded)

  115. The video of the shooting isn’t very clear. It does show witnesses. I’d like to know what they have to say…under oath.

    Time123 (b87ded)

  116. Okay, I stand corrected. That wasn’t Danielson firing the paintball gun.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  117. 94. I’m talking about the 20th amendment, not the 12th amendment.

    The 12th amendment deals which a situation in which everyone agrees on who won how many Electoral votes, or there is enough agreement so as to say no candidate for president won a majority. In that case the House votes, by state (effective majority about 57% because sates can be divided and not cast a vote and one more than half the number of states is needed) among the top three candidates. The Senate votes individually among the top two for vice president.

    While the House can be deadlocked, there virtually cannot be a deadlock in the Senate. The old vice president (term expires later than that of members of Congress) votes in case of a tie.

    The 20th amendment deals with a case where the president elect has died or failed to qualify, and the vice president elect also. In that case Congress can decide by law who shall then act as a president. And the law now probably is the same thing as in the presidential succession act last changed in 1947.

    Now the way for no president and no vice president to qualify is by Congress not being able to count the electoral vote because of competing certifications.

    Sammy Finkelman (b66da2)

  118. @124, NP, the article should have made that explicit and didn’t.

    Time123 (c9382b)

  119. “The video of the shooting isn’t very clear. It does show witnesses. I’d like to know what they have to say…under oath.”

    His buddy in the white shirt (you can see him in the street medic video and also this tweet) was right there. When the police arrive, he runs away.

    Davethulhu (3988bc)

  120. There virtually cannot be a deadlock in the choice for vice president.

    Aside:

    In all cases so far when the election was thrown into the House of Representatives, the House never chose between more than two people and it was not necessary to choose a vice president.

    This is because, in the Election of 1800, although at that time the Electors did not distinguish between who they wanted for president and who the wanted for vice president, and the House voted among the top five finishers, they actually could only choose between two because Thomas Jefferson and Aaron Burr were in a tie and they both were the only ones who got a majority of the number of Electors. The loser automatically became vice president.

    In the election of 1824, the House again cold only choose between two, because the third place candidate, Secretary of the Treasury William H. Crawford had been disabled by a stroke, which many people, out in the states, did not know. (He wasn’t replaced) The members of the House couldn’t choose him. It was a political trick by some people to offer him as a choice. Henry Clay came in 4th and was out of the running. as for the vice president, most politicians had left the field to Secretary of War John C. Calhoun (later, circa 1832 of nullification and the concurrent majority and still later, but not till about 1840, infamous as the chief proponent of the idea of slavery as a positive good) and he won that position of overwhelmingly. Calhoun was not so controversial in 1824. Not that you couldn’t have found problems with John C. Calhoun from what he did earlier, but, as I said, the major politicians let him grab the mostly powerless office of vice president in return for not running for president. Maybe Calhoun was hoping to step up to the presidency in case nobody was elected or in case Crawford was and he died or could be induced to resign. It’s an idea to look into a biography of John C. Calhoun.

    In 1828, Andrew Jackson mostly accepted him as a candidate in that position. (Calhoun resigned in 1832 to take a seat in the United States Senate.)

    The Senate, interestingly, once chose a vice president in a year when the House did not need to choose a president. In the election of 1836, the Whigs did not choose a single candidate for vice president, and the Democratic choice for president, Martin Van Buren, had someone other than his candidate, win Virginia’s 23 electoral votes for vice president, carrying him below a majority. Maybe because they knew he had a black mistress whom, in the circumstances of the time, he couldn’t marry.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Mentor_Johnson

    ….With his increasing prominence, Johnson was criticized for his interracial relationship with Julia Chinn, a mixed-race slave who was classified as octoroon (or seven-eighths white). It worked against his political ambitions because Johnson did not hide the relationship.

    Unlike other upper-class planters and leaders who had African-American mistresses or concubines, but never acknowledged them, Johnson treated Chinn as his common law wife. He acknowledged their two daughters as his children, giving them his surname, much to the consternation of some of his constituents. It is believed that because of this, the state legislature picked another candidate for the US Senate in 1828, forcing Johnson to leave in 1829. However, his Congressional district voted for him and returned him to the House in the next election.

    In 1836, Johnson was the Democratic nominee for vice-president on a ticket with Martin Van Buren. Campaigning with the slogan “Rumpsey Dumpsey, Rumpsey Dumpsey, Colonel Johnson killed Tecumseh”, Johnson fell one short of the electoral votes needed to secure his election. Virginia’s delegation to the Electoral College refused to endorse Johnson, abstaining instead.[1]

    He was elected to the office by the US Senate. Johnson proved such a liability for the Democrats in the 1836 election that they refused to renominate him for vice-president in 1840. President Van Buren campaigned for re-election without a running mate. He lost to William Henry Harrison, a Whig. Johnson tried to return to public office but was defeated. He finally was elected to the Kentucky House of Representatives in 1850, but he died on November 19, 1850, just two weeks into his term.

    Sammy Finkelman (b66da2)

  121. Martin Van Buren didn’t get many Electoral votes in 1840, but Richard M Johnson got 48 out of Van Buren’s 60.

    Sammy Finkelman (b66da2)

  122. When the police arrive, he runs away.

    Maybe, unlike the police, he ran to track down the murderer — who, oddly, had already run away. Or, another weird possibility given that it’s Portland, he was following police instructions to clear the area.

    Days later, Reinoehl is still a free man despite being ID’d by his own sister. The “buddy” probably stands a better chance of exacting justice. To listen to POS Kate Brown and Wheeler, the murderer was Patriot Prayer.

    beer ‘n pretzels (51d74a)

  123. …and a President who deserves the death penalty ….

    nk (1d9030) — 9/2/2020 @ 10:49 am

    Donald Trump didn’t conspire to murder the Branch Davidians at Waco.

    Sammy Finkelman (b66da2)

  124. “Maybe, unlike the police, he ran to track down the murderer — who, oddly, had already run away.”

    Are you for real?

    “Or, another weird possibility given that it’s Portland, he was following police instructions to clear the area.”

    The police are literally asking if there are any witnesses.

    Here’s the video, jump to 1:00 or so.

    https://twitter.com/beklager691/status/1300133591884525569

    (this tweet is several days old, so it has the wrong name for the victim)

    Davethulhu (3988bc)

  125. Dave, Pretty clearly ran away after the police asked if anyone knew what had happened.

    Time123 (c9382b)

  126. Are you for real?

    I see the police push him away, Davethulhu. He’s nowhere near the cop asking for witnesses, who is actually looking at the cameraman who says nothing in response. He’s engaged with another cop.

    The victim is surrounded by police at that point and people posing as medics. It looks to me he gets frustrated and leaves the area for that reason. And, he leaves in the direction of where the shooter ran.

    What exactly are you getting at, Davethulhu?

    beer ‘n pretzels (97f8c4)

  127. He does get frustrated and run away. We don’t know what frustrated him. What he should have done is give them information to help with the search for the shooter and make a statement.

    Even if he gives a statement at a later date his flight from the scene might hurt his credibility with the jury.

    Time123 (c9382b)

  128. Even if he gives a statement at a later date his flight from the scene might hurt his credibility with the jury.

    Yeah, or by running in the direction of the shooter he could provide a better description of him.

    beer ‘n pretzels (7cacd0)

  129. @136, That doesn’t make a lot of sense.

    Time123 (b87ded)

  130. “I see the police push him away, Davethulhu. He’s nowhere near the cop asking for witnesses, who is actually looking at the cameraman who says nothing in response. He’s engaged with another cop.

    The victim is surrounded by police at that point and people posing as medics. It looks to me he gets frustrated and leaves the area for that reason. And, he leaves in the direction of where the shooter ran.”

    The cops don’t push him away. One is talking to him, and he yells “I don’t f’ing know. F you.” Then he runs off.

    “What exactly are you getting at, Davethulhu?”

    He drops a can right at the start of the video right next to his buddy’s head. Mace? Maybe he has reasons why he doesn’t want to talk to the police right then.

    Davethulhu (3988bc)

  131. Where pro-crime policies and impunity for BLM and the like is taking things to:

    https://www.startribune.com/why-we-northside-neighbors-are-suing-minneapolis/572210262

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/01/opinion/biden-trump-police-minneapolis.html

    …If you want to understand just what a challenge Biden faces in this election, though, study the struggle in my hometown, Minneapolis, over policing. It’s a face-off between some unlikely foes and, so, it reveals deep truths.

    On one side are the super liberals on the Minneapolis City Council. They voted in June, after George Floyd’s death at the hands of the local police, to begin a process to remove the requirement of the City Charter to maintain a police department. It would be replaced with “a department of community safety and violence prevention,” with a director who would have “non-law enforcement experience in community safety services, including but not limited to public health and/or restorative justice approaches.” A division of “licensed peace officers” would answer to that director.

    Among those opposing this change is a budding coalition of Black and white community leaders from North Minneapolis, the historical home of the Minneapolis Black community. (I was born in the Northside in 1953 when it was also the home of the Jewish community.) They are unnerved by the notion of dismantling the police force for a vague alternative at a time when their neighborhood has experienced a surge in gang shootings, lootings and drug dealing — all exacerbated by the pandemic, spiraling unemployment and demoralized police officers, who, after the Floyd killing, don’t always have the numbers or the will to show up.

    On Aug. 18, this coalition — four Black and four white families from North Minneapolis — filed suit against the City Council and the mayor, Jacob Frey, to compel them to maintain the legal minimum of police officers on the Minneapolis force. The families contend that the Council’s actions have driven out too many police officers and curtailed the hiring of replacements, endangering their neighborhood.

    Don’t get them wrong, the plaintiffs argue, they want thoughtful and deep police reform. But they want both a better police force and enough police officers to protect their kids and their streets — not either the present unreformed police or a disbanded police department and an uncertain replacement.

    The Star Tribune of Minneapolis reported on Aug. 1 that since the killing of George Floyd in late May, the city’s police force is down at least 100 officers, more than 10 percent of the force, “straining department resources amid a wave of violence.” The department, the newspaper added, is budgeted for 888 officers this year, but could lose as much as a third of its work force by year’s end — through resignations, firings and medical leave for post-traumatic stress from the violence that followed Floyd’s death.

    In an Aug. 24 op-ed in The Star Tribune, Sondra and Don Samuels, two of the Black plaintiffs, explained why they are suing. I know them both, and they are deeply involved in improving their Northside neighborhood. Sondra is the chief executive of the Northside Achievement Zone, and Don, her husband, is a former City Council member, former Minneapolis school board member and chief executive of Microgrants, a local nonprofit.

    “We want radical police reform, where all citizens are treated as fully human by all cops, and not just by the ‘good ones’ we all know well,” they wrote. “We support the reform moves of the mayor and chief, which include community alternatives to policing that work hand-in-hand with our police force.”

    The State Legislature, they also argued, “must change arbitration rules that too often demand bad cops be rehired after being fired for abusive policing.”

    But, they added: “We will not sacrifice the safety of our community in the pursuit of the City Council’s lofty goals with no plan to back them up. In the months since George Floyd’s murder, we have seen an explosion in crime and homicides. Five of us live just a few houses apart. Four of us have children in our homes. Here’s what we’ve experienced on our block alone over the last two months:

    “A mother’s car was shot up with eight bullets, with her infant on board. Another car was shot four times. A bullet went through the front door and a wall of our neighbor’s home. A woman was kicked and stomped within inches of her life in the middle of the street. The drug trade has been revived in two homes, to unprecedented levels, with conflicts resulting in fights and shootouts.”

    Their neighbors, they warned, “are leaving their Northside homes to stay with relatives to keep their children safe. Neighbors have put their house up for sale and others are considering it for the first time.”

    This is the bottom line: “By charter the Council must maintain a per capita force in the mid-700s of active duty officers. While this is not enough for our needs, we worry that the Council’s naïve intent is to take us well below this number. And we are not having it. If the leadership of the city cannot muster the wisdom to keep us safe, it must muster the compliance to obey the law that is designed to do so.”

    Besides big stores, like Saks and Nordstrom, which were vandalized last week in downtown Minneapolis — after rumors spread that the police had shot a Black man, who, it turned out, had actually committed suicide — a slew of Northside businesses owned by people of color were looted or vandalized during the George Floyd protests, and many owners are now afraid to rebuild.

    You can;t appease them. They don’t want to be appeased. They want to steal, and the drug dealers, who may be behind this, want their customers to be able to continue to steal. You can’t “reform” your way out of this.

    Black Lives Matter etc is not interested in truth, and they’ve got to be called out on that, no matter how many professional basketball and football players will disagree with that.

    Sammy Finkelman (b66da2)

  132. Now Trump does not deliver intelligent criticisms. It’s probably beyond him, if he even sees the need for that.

    Sammy Finkelman (b66da2)

  133. The cops don’t push him away.

    Yes, they do exactly that. That’s clearly what happens in the video you linked.

    He drops a can right at the start of the video right next to his buddy’s head. Mace?

    Possibly. And?? Is this justification for the murder? Are you claiming self defense based on a can of mace? If so, the response to Antifa and BLM has been way too tame, given what they’ve aimed at the police and counter protesters for months. Is that your point? Be clear.

    beer ‘n pretzels (501761)

  134. “More peaceful murders done by the leftist rioting in Portland.”

    Cassy Leaton and Najaf “Nate” Hobbs were found stabbed to death in Portland on June 16 after an apparent dispute over the building Nelson had been squatting in. Nelson faces two murder charges and is being held without bail.

    Doesn’t seem to be related to the protests or riots at all.

    Davethulhu (3988bc)

  135. “Yes, they do exactly that. That’s clearly what happens in the video you linked.”

    You’re messing with me. Nothing of the sort happens.

    “Possibly. And?? Is this justification for the murder? Are you claiming self defense based on a can of mace? If so, the response to Antifa and BLM has been way too tame, given what they’ve aimed at the police and counter protesters for months. Is that your point? Be clear.”

    I’m not doing any of these things. I’m also getting tired of repeating myself.

    Davethulhu (3988bc)

  136. More bad news for Team Orange and their limping, low-ratings candidate:

    CNN Poll: Biden’s lead persists post-conventions

    After two political conventions unlike any the United States had seen before, Joe Biden maintains an advantage over Donald Trump in the race for the presidency, according to a new CNN Poll conducted by SSRS.

    Among registered voters, 51% back Biden, 43% Trump. The difference in each candidate’s support when compared with a CNN poll conducted pre-conventions is within the poll’s margin of sampling error.
    […]
    Biden also shifted his favorability ratings into more positive territory (48% view him favorably now, 43% unfavorably) as Trump’s remained deeply negative (40% favorable to 56% unfavorable).

    The conventions produced few significant changes in how voters view the two candidates on the issues and basic attributes, but some shifts are notable. While Trump held an edge on handling the economy before either convention, this poll finds Trump (49%) and Biden (48%) about even. Biden has inched into an advantage on keeping Americans safe from harm (51% say Biden would, 45% Trump). Trump’s numbers have worsened on honesty and trustworthiness (Biden’s advantage of 51% to 40% pre-convention has stretched to a 53% to 36% one post-convention) and there’s been a dip in the share who say Trump shares their values (it was 52% to 43% pre-convention and now stands at 52% to 39%).
    […]
    Over the course of the two conventions, the crises facing the country were front and center, but which crisis came to the forefront depended on which party was doing the talking. Assessing four issues that featured prominently across both events, the survey finds that when thinking about their own communities, majorities of Americans worry about the coronavirus outbreak (60%), the state of the economy (58%) and the impacts of racism (52%). Far fewer (37%) are worried about the risk of crime in their own community.

    Dave (1bb933)

  137. Where protesters go, armed militias, vigilantes likely to follow with little to stop them
    …….
    His attorney said Rittenhouse was exercising his right to defend the community.

    “Kyle and all able-bodied males between the ages of 17 and 45 are part of the unorganized United States Militia,” the lawyer, John Pierce, said in an email. “He was in Kenosha as part of his right and duty to protect his community where the state and local government had totally failed in their most basic responsibility to provide law and order.

    “Specifically, he was there to protect the people and property of Kenosha from rioters bent on destroying it and burning it to the ground,” Pierce continued. “All United States citizens have this right and obligation where government fails. No American is too young to possess a rifle when state and local government refuses to protect them.”
    ……
    Sen. Rob Johnson declared that “the way you stop the violence, the way you stop the rioting, is you surge manpower and resources, citizen soldiers, National Guard, and you overwhelm the number of rioters.”

    I believe Sen. Johnson knowingly distinguished between “citizen soldiers” and “National Guard” (which are not one and the same) in his statement. Sen. Johnson should have been proud of his statement, as “citizen soldiers” (as unorganized militia) are as old as the USA. His statement is pretty clear, and did not need to be “reinterpreted” for the media by his staff.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  138. Peter Baker @peterbakernyt

    @MorningConsult polls show race unchanged except in Ariz where Biden widens lead

    Ariz: Biden 52-42
    Mich: Biden 52-42
    Pa: Biden 49-45
    Minn: Biden 50-43
    Wis: Biden 52-43
    Fla: Biden 49-47
    Tex: Trump 48-47
    OH: Trump 50-45
    NC: Biden 49-47
    Ga: Biden 49-46

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  139. @148. ROFLMAOPIP Ask President Hillary Rodham Clinton about them-there poll numbers…

    https://time.com/4546942/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-lead-poll

    Hillary Clinton Leads Donald Trump by 14 Points Nationally in New Poll

    ‘Hillary Clinton has widened her lead over Donald Trump, polling 14 percentage points ahead nationally, according to a new Associated Press-GfK poll, which comes 12 days before the presidential election.

    Conducted after the final presidential debate, the poll finds the Democratic nominee leads Trump among likely voters 51% to 37%, a significant lead over the Republican candidate.

    According to the poll, Clinton has support of 90% of likely Democratic voters, as well as support from 15% of moderate Republicans. Of the Republicans surveyed, 79% said they would vote for Trump.

    The poll finds that Clinton has consolidated the support of her party, while even managing to draw Republican voters.

    The margin of error for the AP-GfK poll, conducted between Oct. 20-24, is plus or minus 2.75 percentage points.’ -source, time.com

    Sooner or later NeverTrumpers are going to discover why it keeps hurting when they keep smacking themselves in the forehead with a 2X4.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  140. Different time, different candidate, and a different Trump.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  141. HHS bids $250 million contract meant to ‘defeat despair and inspire hope’ on coronavirus

    As the presidential election fast approaches, the Department of Health and Human Services is bidding out a more than $250 million contract to a communications firm as it seeks to “defeat despair and inspire hope” about the coronavirus pandemic, according to an internal HHS document obtained by POLITICO.

    Several weeks ago, the department sent out to a number of communications firms a “performance work statement,” which lays out what work will be expected of the winning firm. The document says that the vast majority of the money will be spent from now until January.

    The document also lists the goals of the contract: “defeat despair and inspire hope, sharing best practices for businesses to operate in the new normal and instill confidence to return to work and restart the economy,” build a “coalition of spokespeople” around the country, provide important public health, therapeutic and vaccine information as the country reopens, and give Americans information on the phases of reopening.

    “By harnessing the power of traditional, digital and social media, the sports and entertainment industries, public health associations, and other creative partners to deliver important public health and economic information the administration can defeat despair, inspire hope and achieve national recovery,” the document also says.
    ….
    Public relations rathole.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  142. DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/2/2020 @ 2:36 pm

    That is amazing. 14 points up two weeks out. I went down a rabbit hole reading the author of that article and by the time I was done I was almost a Trump voter. Cancel culture, depravity, and a shield from the opinions of anyone she disagrees with. You’re definitely correct that if Trump has a chance many who hate Trump won’t see it coming.

    Sooner or later NeverTrumpers are going to discover why it keeps hurting when they keep smacking themselves in the forehead with a 2X4.

    It would be so easy to win if the political parties didn’t screw around. I think Biden’s an effort to go to the center. He’s also not much of a leader and has taken the easy path every time he could, so I just have no enthusiasm about him, and sometimes I want him to lose almost as much as Trump.

    Still, it’s a gorgeous day and my little hotel room here has a nice view of the Sandia mountains. America is still a good place to be. We’re on the cusp of good change. I can feel it in my bones. Every bit of information suggests the opposite, but ten years from now we will be better.

    Dustin (5418f4)

  143. You’re messing with me. Nothing of the sort happens.

    Not messing with you. He gets pushed away at 0:50 in the video you linked.

    I’m not doing any of these things. I’m also getting tired of repeating myself.

    OK, Davethulhu, it seems you don’t have a point to make that’s significant. I agree no need to repeat it.

    beer ‘n pretzels (501761)

  144. “Not messing with you. He gets pushed away at 0:50 in the video you linked.”

    Yes, but he doesn’t run away then. He’s talking with another cop until about 1:07, when he starts yelling and then runs off.

    Davethulhu (3988bc)

  145. Here’s what I think we know

    2 guys that didn’t like each other and were likely not up to anything good met on a street.
    Both had weapons; pepper spray and a gun.
    One’s dead, the other is on the run.

    Video doesn’t prove much more than that.

    Again, would love to know more.

    Time123 (fe8c30)

  146. @153. The cusp has been passed… it takes time– a few miles, or election cycles to change course; to turn a loaded oil tanker, or the ship of state. Our Captain is already at the helm; JoeyBee is driftwood to be waked aside– or a sluggish seal, propeller bound.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  147. Our Captain is already at the helm

    Interesting metaphor. To some extent, he clearly did want to disrupt our institutions, perhaps even cause riots and economic damage, to restore his idea of what the economy was like. He spoke about it before election and Bannon laid it out. But it’s hard for me to imagine Trump in control.

    It’s like that casino that went broke. Perhaps that was Trump’s plan. Launder a billion dollars for the Russians, go bankrupt, take a huge tax write-off, never share your tax returns with anybody. If you subscribe to this theory of Trump’s leadership he is at the helm.

    If you just think COVID, the job losses, the riots, they all just happened to Trump, he isn’t helming the nation.

    If you’re right, nk is also right about what Trump deserves.

    Dustin (5418f4)

  148. Trump’s Eviction Moratorium Could set a Dangerous Precedent

    On Saturday, the federal government’s Center for Disease Control will issue a new regulation barring eviction of millions of residential tenants around the country. If it survives likely legal challenges, the new policy would set a dangerous precedent undermining federalism, the separation of powers, and property rights. Conservatives, in particular, will have reason to regret it when a Democratic president inherits the same sweeping powers.

    The CDC policy bars eviction, until the end of the year, of any residential tenant who makes a sworn declaration to the effect that they 1) have “used best efforts to obtain all available government assistance for rent or housing,” 2) they expect to earn less than $99,000 ($198,000 for joint tax filers) in 2020 or did not have to report any income to the IRS in 2019, or received a stimulus check under CARES Act, 3) “the individual is unable to pay the full rent… due to substantial loss of household income… , a lay-off, or extraordinary out-of-pocket medical expenses” 4) “the individual is using best efforts to make timely partial payments that are as close to the full payment as the individual’s circumstances may permit” and 5) “eviction would likely render the individual homeless—or force the individual to move into and live in close quarters in a new congregate or shared living setting.”

    …….[T]he claimed authorization here is 42 CFR Section 70.2 a regulation that gives the Director of the CDC the power to “take such measures to prevent such spread of the [communicable] diseases as he/she deems reasonably necessary, including inspection, fumigation, disinfection, sanitation, pest extermination, and destruction of animals or articles believed to be sources of infection.” The CDC can take such measures anywhere it deems local and state regulations to be “insufficient” to limit the spread of disease across state borders.
    ……
    ……[T]he CDC need not prove that the regulations in question really are “reasonably necessary” or that state restrictions really are “insufficient.” They need only assert (“deem”) that such is the case.

    This broad interpretation of the regulation would give the executive the power to restrict almost any type of activity. Pretty much any economic transaction or movement of people and goods could potentially spread disease in some way. Nor is that authority limited to particularly deadly diseases such as Covid-19. It could just as readily apply to virtually any other communicable disease, such as the flu or even the common cold.
    ……..
    If Trump can use this authority to impose a nationwide eviction moratorium, Joe Biden (or some other future president) could use it to impose a nationwide mask mandate, a nationwide lockdown, or just about any other restriction of any activity that could potentially reduce the spread of the flu, the common cold, or any other disease.
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  149. 159.

    If Trump can use this authority to impose a nationwide eviction moratorium, Joe Biden (or some other future president) could use it to impose a nationwide mask mandate, a nationwide lockdown, or just about any other restriction of any activity [under the pretext] that [it] could potentially reduce the spread of the flu, the common cold, or any other disease.

    FIFY, Rip. The precedence has already been set (under a Trump presidency, even) that virtually anything can be done in the name of “public health” and/or “safety,” whether or not those measures are even founded on a true premise.

    Gryph (f63000)

  150. 150. ROFLMAOPIP.

    The Yesbutts… the 2X4 keeps hurting, doesn’t it.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  151. There’s at least a rational argument for masks. We can debate effectiveness, but the mechanism is clear. What’s the public health rationale for this?

    Time123 (b87ded)


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