Gov. Evers Accepts Help From The Feds In Kenosha
[guest post by Dana]
Trump made the announcement yesterday after Gov. Evers had reportedly turned down federal assistance:
…TODAY, I will be sending federal law enforcement and the National Guard to Kenosha, WI to restore LAW and ORDER!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 26, 2020
After Kenosha police officers shot Jacob Blake, who is black, protests began in the city. On Tuesday night, armed citizens took to the streets to protect local businesses from being vandalized or destroyed. Yesterday, one of those armed citizens was arrested for his alleged role in the fatal shooting of two white males at the protest:
A white, 17-year-old police admirer was arrested Wednesday after two people were shot to death during a third straight night of protests in Kenosha over the police shooting of a Black man, Jacob Blake.
Kyle Rittenhouse, of Antioch, Illinois, about 15 miles (24.14 kilometers) from Kenosha, was taken into custody in Illinois on suspicion of first-degree intentional homicide in the attack Tuesday that was largely captured on cellphone video. The shooting left a third person wounded.
“I just killed somebody,” the gunman, carrying a semi-automatic rifle, could be heard saying at one point.
…
According to witness accounts and video footage, police apparently let the gunman walk past them and leave the scene with a rifle over his shoulder and his hands in the air as members of the crowd were yelling for him to be arrested because he had shot people.
As for how the gunman managed to slip away, Sheriff David Beth described a chaotic, high-stress scene, with lots of radio traffic and people screaming, chanting and running — conditions he said can cause “tunnel vision” among law officers.
The sheriff told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that militia members or armed vigilantes had been patrolling Kenosha’s streets in recent nights, but he did not know if the gunman was among them. However, video taken before the shooting shows police tossing bottled water from an armored vehicle to what appear to be armed civilians walking the streets. And one of them appears to be the gunman.
“We appreciate you being here,” an officer is heard saying to the group over a loudspeaker.
Rittenhouse walks up to a police vehicle with his rifle slung and talks with officers. One tosses a water bottle to the armed men, as seen in @KristanTHarris's livestream. pic.twitter.com/z5LKpvGWe1
— Christiaan Triebert (@trbrtc) August 27, 2020
More video on Rittenhouse’s movements that night at this link.
The Daily Caller posted a video in which Rittenour was interviewed before the shootings:
I interviewed the alleged shooter before the violence started.
Full video coming soon: pic.twitter.com/G3dVOJozN7
— Richie🎥McG🍿 (@RichieMcGinniss) August 26, 2020
Meanwhile, there is this, which comes after Gov. Evers fanned the flames before an investigation had even taken place in the shooting of Jacob Blakes:
The presidents of four law enforcement organizations in Wisconsin sent a letter to Governor Tony Evers Thursday, Aug. 27 asking that he and those in his administration “discontinue and refrain from making statements and issuing press releases specific to the City of Kenosha Police involved shooting until the facts of the investigation are known.”
Note: It is legal for people 18 and over to openly carry a gun in Wisconsin, with no license required.
–Dana
All of this makes me so sad.
Dana (292df6) — 8/27/2020 @ 1:39 pmIf you want to know more about the innocent victims of this (probably white supremacist) vigilante, try this: https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1298833015548739587
Decent, caring people who led mostly peaceful lives and were only trying to stop racism in this hateful country.
JayC (277d6c) — 8/27/2020 @ 1:52 pmSend in the NBA
mg (8cbc69) — 8/27/2020 @ 2:08 pmwow JayC
Paints a picture. If that’s accurate info, that definitely paints a picture.
I still think open carry is a terrible idea that provokes, and I think sending a 17 year old to make those kinds of decisions without tons of training is absurd, and I have no idea how the initial shooting happened or why.
but I do think some of the people jumping into the fray for BLM are not really all that worried about the life of a law abiding black man or woman, how to make sure they can be treated the same as anyone else.
I want Texas (and Wisconsin and everywhere else) to ban openly carried handguns, long guns inside a city limits, and blades longer than 5 inches. that would make things safer.
Dustin (5418f4) — 8/27/2020 @ 2:28 pmAbsolutely.
Dana (292df6) — 8/27/2020 @ 2:34 pmWhen does greta dumberg start to biotch about the pollution these rioting ingrates are producing?
mg (8cbc69) — 8/27/2020 @ 2:35 pmIt is legal to openly carry a gun in most states. A majority (26) do not have any permit or restrictions other than the basic rules (citizen or here legally, no felons, etc)
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 8/27/2020 @ 2:44 pmOoops, non-citizens probably can’t carry legally unless they are on their way to hunt or something.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 8/27/2020 @ 2:45 pm“Paints a picture. If that’s accurate info, that definitely paints a picture.”
It’s Andy Ngo, so there’s a better than even chance that he’s repeating unverified information or outright lying.
Maybe he was removed from the registry after his death, but Joseph Rosenbaum is not showing up for me here: https://appsdoc.wi.gov/public/offenders (the site screenshotted in the first tweet)
Davethulhu (c0d5d6) — 8/27/2020 @ 2:46 pmPart of the problem we are having is that we have abandoned non-lethal methods due to some abuse, rather than weed out the abusers. Now we are arguing about the proper methods and rules to use when we can’t use the ones we had that worked better than 7 shots, point-blank, to the back.
Bad things happen in riots. That’s why they’re illegal. When you ignore that point and let them “run their course” more bad things will happen. It really should not come as a surprise. Gross negligence on the city’s part.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 8/27/2020 @ 2:50 pmI want Texas (and Wisconsin and everywhere else) to ban openly carried handguns, long guns inside a city limits, and blades longer than 5 inches. that would make things safer.
For whom?
Do you think that police, when the suspect rushes to his car, are going to think “Normally, I’d be worried about him having a gun in there, but now that the laws says he can’t…”
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 8/27/2020 @ 2:55 pmHere in NM, not only do I not have to be licensed to carry a gun openly, I don’t have to register it either. Only if I want to conceal it outside my property.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 8/27/2020 @ 2:57 pmI’m glad they’re trying to establish public order in Kenosha.
Dana, From what i understand it’s not legal for 17 year old to carry a rifle in WI in these circumstances. I haven’t seen what the law says for him to transport it from IL.
Time123 (af99e9) — 8/27/2020 @ 3:02 pmIn California, to buy a gun I had to first take a test and buy a “lifetime gun buyers permit” which was canceled a few years later in favor of a new permitting process. To get a handgun, it has to have a maximum 10-cartrige magazine and appear on the list of “safe” guns provided by the state. It takes a long tome for a new gun to get on this list, yet they drop off for a number of reasons (many recently made up). New semi-auto pistols don;t go onto the list much any more. Then I had to wait for the cooling-off period, and only 1 gun a month, Now you need to get permission to buy ammo.
When the revolution comes in CA, the guns will all be on the Right, and the police will on our side.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 8/27/2020 @ 3:06 pmWhen people carry guns rather than baseball bats for the purpose of “protecting property”, the probability that somebody will be killed rises significantly. The person carryng the gun has the option of a) threatening or b) using lethal force.
John B Boddie (bfc42b) — 8/27/2020 @ 3:08 pmOr the person threatening the property has the option of a) not destroying property or b) risking their life to damage someone else’s property.
Edoc118 (2e6867) — 8/27/2020 @ 3:15 pmI couldn’t disagree more. You don’t change the culture by banning tools you don’t like. You change the culture by showing people why what they are doing is wrong and teaching them how to do it right.
There’s just too many out there right now deliberately teaching the wrong things and trying to fan the flames of hatred. Those are the people you should be going after.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 8/27/2020 @ 3:23 pmTime123,
I found this regarding whether Rittenhouse was legally able to own a gun:
Dana (292df6) — 8/27/2020 @ 3:31 pm15 – the couple in St. Louis disagree, they stopped b.s. from happening – no body hurt no body burnt…
mg (8cbc69) — 8/27/2020 @ 3:32 pma fence was broken down by the thugs
Yeah, they did a “powerful” thing. It kept the mob from breaking into the 1,000 other houses they walked by before they got to these peoples house. They were so powerful their foolishness traveled back in time and insured that a thing that didn’t happen, continued to not happen.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 8/27/2020 @ 3:37 pmDana, this is yet another reason why we cannot have nice things anymore.
Simon Jester (da4900) — 8/27/2020 @ 3:38 pmI believe he had a knife if you’re referring to Jacob Blake’s car. I don’t think the laws for lawful carry really impact this issue because weapons, including guns, are so easily obtained by criminals (and law abiding citizens).
This is not about whether people can possess the weapons, so it doesn’t really impact that issue. And people are generally able to keep guns in their cars regardless of the laws on open carry. So these issues are very different.
I did have a pretty harrowing stop once where the drunk driver would not stop for a few minutes, and he had hidden a Beretta PX4 under his leg. He was not in the country legally. He probably would have blown me away but the way he didn’t stop scared the hell out of me and fortunately I was able to work through that situation. I know that no law on the books is going to change that kind of thing. I’m not talking about whether you can possess the gun and I’m not saying this out of a sense of self-preservation. It’s the other people at these protests who are the primary beneficiaries of a ban on open carry.
Since Texas changed the law to permit open carry, we’ve had more problems with open carry provoking self defense. Had that same person simply had the gun concealed, they would have been safer and the community would have been safer. I’m not actually talking about ‘banning’ anything. I’m talking about how to be responsible with tools. If you want to carry a gun, it’s fair to say you need to do it in a manner that doesn’t cause problems (in my opinion, usually concealed if you’re in a city). Before Texas was open carry I don’t think we were really not free.
And if they are just saying hateful stuff, if it’s not rising to imminent fighting words, so be it. We all get to say what we want. Too much political speech is underlined and bolded by saying it, or yelling it, while holding a gun. If you needed the gun to be brave enough to say it, that’s potentially a problem if you’re scared too easily, aren’t calm under pressure.
Dustin (5418f4) — 8/27/2020 @ 3:45 pmThat’s a good example. That’s not open carry. That’s brandishing as a warning. That’s not political speech. That’s standing in your own yard saying leave me and mine alone.
Similar to a concealed carry person displaying the gun to protect themselves.
Dustin (5418f4) — 8/27/2020 @ 3:48 pmAnd people are generally able to keep guns in their cars regardless of the laws on open carry.
I think you will find that having a gun in a car is considered “open carry”. There are states that consider a gun in a glove box “concealed.”
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 8/27/2020 @ 3:51 pmOh, you can’t have most models of the PX4 in California. Only the full-size one. It was among the reasons I moved.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 8/27/2020 @ 3:53 pmMost gun laws are passed in a stampede. And regretted at leisure.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 8/27/2020 @ 3:55 pmThere is one gun law I would agree with: Citizens may possess and use only those weapons allowed to civil authorities, and vice versa.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 8/27/2020 @ 3:57 pmInteresting. I don’t consider it to be in the same category as open or concealed, and more like (not exactly, but quasi) in your domicile. If you aren’t committing a crime, in my opinion a gun anywhere you want in the car is OK. In a shotgun rack in the window is OK. You’re responsible for keeping it secure, but it’s not provoking anyone.
It’s a good point to distinguish.
Dustin (5418f4) — 8/27/2020 @ 3:59 pmDustin – I listened to Mark McClosky in an interview, it was frightening what they went through, I would feel very fortunate to have him as a neighbor.
mg (8cbc69) — 8/27/2020 @ 4:00 pmDustin–
It is illegal to have a pistol in a car in CA unless it is locked in an approved box in a place (e.g. the trunk) inaccessible to the driver or passengers. Yet you can have a pistol in your boot at home.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 8/27/2020 @ 4:11 pmSafer:
BuDuh (6a0469) — 8/27/2020 @ 4:13 pmhttps://mobile.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1299063460605566976
Trump carried Kenosha County by 255 votes over Hillary in 2016. Live in a swing state, for the next two months and three days, folks. Live in a swing state. Trump will send people over to wash your car for you.
nk (1d9030) — 8/27/2020 @ 4:22 pmI won’t even click on an Andy Ngo link, let alone believe the content. Dat boy’s not wit’ me.
nk (1d9030) — 8/27/2020 @ 4:23 pmUpdate – the guy who survived (Gaige Grosskreutz) had a pistol (illegally). Good thing that those gun laws work so well.
He has since announced that his only regret is that he didn’t empty the mag into Rittenhouse before the kid could shoot him.
If you sympathize with these 3, you’re on the wrong side. As for calling Andy Ngo a liar, he’s been out there videoing all this stuff. Communists always call everyone a liar if they disagree with their narrative.
JayC (277d6c) — 8/27/2020 @ 4:29 pmYou proved me wrong by showing that Minneapolis is not a crime-free utopia. Only problem is that if you have a license, you can open-carry a pistol there, same as Texas, and that’s the law I’d change.
And in case you didn’t notice, the guy that got hit in the head had a pistol openly carried.
So … can you articulate your point?
Dustin (5418f4) — 8/27/2020 @ 4:30 pmCommunists always call everyone a liar if they disagree with their narrative.
I could say that persons of questionable masculinity and abnormal sexual predilections stick together, but I won’t, because I don’t know that about you. Just as you don’t know whether I’m a Communist.
nk (1d9030) — 8/27/2020 @ 4:41 pmnk: “I won’t even click on an Andy Ngo link, let alone believe the content. Dat boy’s not wit’ me.”
Got it. You prefer not to see what’s really going on. You just make homophobic slurs. You’re a hero.
By the way, here’s a video of the first guy shot. He’s the short, bald guy with the green earring. Turn up the volume and listen to what he says.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1298857915202314240
JayC (277d6c) — 8/27/2020 @ 5:03 pm29.
His actual neighbor disagrees.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 8/27/2020 @ 5:08 pmFacts scare them, narrative like scoops of tocky road.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 8/27/2020 @ 5:13 pmHow much money was spent to keep greece out of the soviet sphere and yet it ultimately succumbed with syriza some years ago.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 8/27/2020 @ 5:25 pmDana, Charges have been released and Gabriel Malor has a thread up.
I don’t know what a Jury will find but he was charged with possion of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18.
Time123 (dba73f) — 8/27/2020 @ 5:27 pmIll take a neighbor like Mark anyday. Anyone who protects ones property is a bully? bioya
mg (8cbc69) — 8/27/2020 @ 5:31 pmDespite knowing he’s wildly unreliable I clicked on the Andy Ngo link.
Here he reports that
Bold is mine. I check the Wisconsin Department of Corrections Sex Offender Registry and there was not registry for Rosenbaum.
Once again Mr. Ngo has provided bad information that supports his narrative.
spent less then 3 minutes on this, including this comment.
Time123 (653992) — 8/27/2020 @ 5:36 pmJayC, you don’ know nuffin’ ’bout nuffin’. Dese heah be my comments ’bout Rittenhouse frum yestiddy:
And that’s just two of them defending the kid. More follow in that discussion.
nk (1d9030) — 8/27/2020 @ 5:37 pmThank you, Time123.
nk (1d9030) — 8/27/2020 @ 5:38 pmSince foxx let all the criminals our, and the local das in cheesetown have done much the same.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 8/27/2020 @ 5:41 pmI won’t jump to conclusions without hearing both sides, but if the rabbi’s report is true, and McCloskey’s note does support it, McCloskey is an a-hole. Whether you’d be happy with an a-hole for a neighbor, I can’t say.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 8/27/2020 @ 5:42 pmThere is a registered sex offender of Joseph D Rosenbaum that is 5’3″ blonde on the Arizona database. That seems to be where the info on him is coming from. Can’t judge from the pics if they are the same guy.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 8/27/2020 @ 8:03 pmBtw brianna taylors boyfriend the reason for the raid was just arrested for possession.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 8/27/2020 @ 8:05 pmAt the time nixon supporters considered kent state a great victory for their side. But several generations later not so much. Especially now that saigon is called ho chi minh city. Waving the bloody shirt works pretty well.
asset (653336) — 8/27/2020 @ 10:17 pmInitial claim shows a picture from the WI database that appears to be fake. I feel the burden of proof is now on people making the claim.
Time123 (53ef45) — 8/28/2020 @ 5:20 am2 lies in this comment.
1. The primary targets of the LMPD investigation were Jamarcus Glover and Adrian Walker, who were suspected of selling controlled substances from a drug house more than 10 miles away.
Time123 (b87ded) — 8/28/2020 @ 5:24 am2. At the time of her killing Taylor was not in a relationship with Glover.
Rosenbaum was convicted of “sexual conduct with a minor” in Arizona, offense date 03/27/2002. This is easy to check if you have any idea how to do legal research.
scrutineer (5daa50) — 8/28/2020 @ 10:23 amAnd?
Cool story bro…Weird how there is no actual documentation of this outside of a Russian website.
Also, 2002 was 18 years ago if you happen to notice, which would put him at 18, the pictures are of a 30 year old man. And?
Also, also, can one criminal not murder another criminal? You may want to think about that for a second. Two things can be true, scumbag 1 murdered a potential scumbag (of course he had no idea), and then he murdered another person who may, or may not, have had a record, and then he tried to murder another person, who may or may not have had a record. And?
Also, also, also, the Vegas scumbag murdered 3 felons in his spree, and…?
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 8/28/2020 @ 10:50 amhttps://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2020CM000836&countyNo=30&index=0&isAdvanced=true&mode=details
Rosenbaum also racked up two charges of domestic abuse (battery & disorderly conduct) in WI.
They may have removed him from the WI sex offender list when it was determined he had assumed room temperature.
But by all means, keep defending them.
Capsaicin Addict (041266) — 8/28/2020 @ 10:52 amI could post the Nexis screenshot of his criminal record, but you should do your own work.
I was explaining to Time123 that he botched his drive-by libel of Ngo, not justifying the shooter.
scrutineer (5daa50) — 8/28/2020 @ 11:07 amWho’s defending him? Again, one murdering scumbag can murder another person who is also a scumbag.
You seem to be conflating things that happened between 2 months and 18 years ago to things that happened Monday.
Maybe you should ask Pat how many times the DA prosecutes gang members for shooting rival gang members.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 8/28/2020 @ 11:20 amscrutineer, can you explain why Ngo posted a screen shot of the WI database, showing Rosenbaum’s picture other than Ngo is posting a fake document that took all of 3 minutes to check?
Also, since you’re making a new claim, and the previous claim was appears to be false you’ll need to provide the substantiation. Since clearly false claims have already been made on this “do you own homework” is unconvincing.
Time123 (89dfb2) — 8/28/2020 @ 11:21 amHere’s what seems a full accounting of what happened:
https://dailycaller.com/2020/08/27/we-witnessed-the-kenosha-shootings-heres-what-really-happened/
There’s more than enough here for the defense to mount a strong case of self-defense.
whembly (c30c83) — 8/28/2020 @ 11:27 amSeems to me like arguments can be made either way….trial is probably the right way to go.
Time123 (9f42ee) — 8/28/2020 @ 11:40 amBeyond reasonable doubt Time123?
This looks like a tall order.
whembly (c30c83) — 8/28/2020 @ 11:51 amWho’s defending him? Again, one murdering scumbag can murder another person who is also a scumbag.
That’s quite a change from “scumbag murders systemic racism protesters/anti-fascists” which is normally how the narrative gets framed. Their identities are known, so we get to analyze the extent of their scumbag credentials, and it’s unfortunate the media won’t do that because it doesn’t fit their BS narrative. And, too few call that out.
beer ‘n pretzels (992ab6) — 8/28/2020 @ 11:55 amOh dear!
Biden hits Trump where it hurts: in the convention speech ratings
And then:
What kind of character tell is it when someone’s ratings get blown out of the water by a plagiarist and a bunch of non-whites, Deezy-eska?
Seems pretty low-energy.
Like a show headed for cancellation in the fall…
Dave (1bb933) — 8/28/2020 @ 12:00 pmD’oh, wrong thread!
Dave (1bb933) — 8/28/2020 @ 12:02 pm@61 Maybe. What if the guy who was shot in the arm testifies convincingly that he was trying to detain KR for the police because he’d been told that KR had been murdering people? Arm guy had a gun and didn’t use it. That might look like restraint to a jury.
What if it turns out that KR started shooting in the car dealership without trying to retreat or giving other warnings and the other ppl who were there (not named yet) testify convincingly that they thought he was trying to ambush them?
If the evidence shows he was legitimately trying to defend himself then he shouldn’t be convicted of more then illegal possession of a deadly weapon and fleeing the scene of a crime. But I’m not sure that’s the case.
I think this needs to go trial and have a Jury weigh the evidence.
Time123 (89dfb2) — 8/28/2020 @ 12:07 pm@65 I think it need to be thoroughly investigated with a grand jury.
They indicted him without doing an full investigation… stinks of political pressure, which is anathema to the idea of justice.
Case in point: The Michael Brown investigation with the Grand Jury took several months.
Was it even a full 24 hours here?
whembly (c30c83) — 8/28/2020 @ 12:22 pmIf you’re looking for Joseph D Rosenbaum, here he is:
https://inmatedatasearch.azcorrections.gov/PrintInmate.aspx?ID=172556
Hope this helps.
JayC (277d6c) — 8/28/2020 @ 1:13 pmThat’s a tactic Ngo’s ilk has been using since the ’80s. They find records of a criminal with the same name as the person they want to smear, and claim or imply that it’s the same person. Sexual offenses seem to especially attract them.
nk (1d9030) — 8/28/2020 @ 8:06 pmIt;s hard to get all the facts. because the media often doesn’t want to report derogatory information about a person who was killed, but sometimes that is relevant, and without it you don’t have a full picture. And a lot of times it is only reported early on.
Sammy Finkelman (b66da2) — 9/1/2020 @ 6:13 am