Nutcase Laura Loomer Wins GOP Florida Congressional Primary
Of all the “Florida man” or “Florida woman” stories you could pick, “Florida men and women vote for Laura Loomer” is the looniest:
Conspiracy theorist Laura Loomer has decisively won the Republican primary for the U.S. House of Representatives seat that represents President Trump’s Mar-a-Lago club in Florida.
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During a production of “Julias Caesar” in Central Park in 2017, she rushed the stage shouting, “Stop the normalization of political violence against the right! This is unacceptable!”
In November 2017, Loomer tweeted that she could not find a “non-Muslim cab or @Uber @Lyft” driver so she was late to a meeting. After a day of tweeting about Muslims, Uber and Lyft announced she was banned from using their services.
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In November 2018, in protest of what she calls Twitter’s shadowbanning of conservatives, she handcuffed herself to Twitter’s office in New York.
Well, at least cooler heads are prevailing in the wise leadership of the Grand Old Party.
President Trump, whose Mar-a-Lago estate is in Loomer’s district, retweeted at least four posts about her win and tweeted himself, “Great going Laura. You have a great chance against a Pelosi puppet!”
Oh.
This is the party you want me to rejoin?
Hard pass.
Ugh… the GOP’s own “squad”.
Silver lining? Her district is pretty blue so her chance to winning that seat isn’t great.
whembly (c30c83) — 8/19/2020 @ 8:45 amI would like Beldar to return to address this kind of thing. I would actually be curious what he thinks.
Appalled (1a17de) — 8/19/2020 @ 8:49 amIt was really kind of you not to call her a racist nutcase.
Time123 (b87ded) — 8/19/2020 @ 8:50 amThe Grand Old Party has transmogrified into the Q-Anon Party, and in just a few years. It has been sad to whatch, and somewhat bewildering as well. There is no place for a libertarian like in this clusterf*ck of gutless, spineless and mindless confederacy of fools and this concomitant of butt gerbils.
I won’t be voting for any Republican for the foreseeable future, not until the despicable scourge of Trumpism is scourged from the party, and I mean with high-powered hoses spraying tons of chlorine bleach.
The problem is that I won’t be voting for any Democrat either, except where it is absolutely necessary. And I don’t see any reason to vote for the Libertarian candidates either. The only viable third party has lost its mind, along with the two major parties.
So I am a man without a party. I do not understand how it came to this in a few short years, but it has. And it is regrettable.
Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1) — 8/19/2020 @ 9:13 am@2 I miss Beldar too.
I hesitate to give the appearance of putting words in his mouth, but extrapolating from what he said in the past, he might argue that if all the sane people abandon the GOP, all that will be left are the QAnons, Loomers and Trumpkins.
Which (expressing my own opinion now) is undeniably true, but the question is whether the by-now already outnumbered sane faction has any realistic hope of correcting the party’s trajectory. I think not, while Trump is in charge.
Dave (1bb933) — 8/19/2020 @ 9:15 amWell put, GG.
Dave (1bb933) — 8/19/2020 @ 9:16 amGG, you didn’t like the ‘boot worth licking’ plan?
Time123 (ea2b98) — 8/19/2020 @ 9:19 amOT: Haiku posted a link that’s worth discussion:
https://quillette.com/2020/08/16/the-challenge-of-marxism/
Lots of good stuff here.
whembly (c30c83) — 8/19/2020 @ 9:25 amGod doing his work that the republican party never did.
mg (8cbc69) — 8/19/2020 @ 9:26 amWhembly, can you tell me what you found interesting about it? CH’s links usually aren’t worth the time. This looks like a long article but if you think it’s valuable….
Time123 (b87ded) — 8/19/2020 @ 9:30 amMarxism…LOL
Dave (1bb933) — 8/19/2020 @ 9:30 amIIRC, this production was not a straight-forward Roman History, but a thinly veiled modernization where Julius Caesar was a DJT-like figure who richly deserved assassination. The Central Park crowd clearly understood and approved.
Not that this is the kind of reaction we would have expected from WFB or RR, but I suppose times have changed.
Marco (7bed92) — 8/19/2020 @ 9:32 amWhen she starts rioting, looting, blocking highways, burning buildings and assaulting defenseless citizens she can switch parties.
harkin (cd4502) — 8/19/2020 @ 9:33 am_
harkin,
Loomis doesn’t have to go THAT far. She can aim fireworks, abuse industrial lasers, toss frozen water bottles — in general, all she had to do is take action. So long as she confines herself to believing and saying crazy things, she’s stuck with the protectionist attitude of the GOP and First Amendment.
pouncer (b0e023) — 8/19/2020 @ 9:37 amWalk away from the Quillette article, Time. It’s above your comprehension.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/19/2020 @ 9:38 amMarxism…LOL
… said the first member of academia as he was forced to kneel in front of the trench that would be his resting place after teh bullet traversed his pointed skull…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/19/2020 @ 9:43 amAmong the mostly peaceful demonstrators for social justice, quotas, and committees of public safety, we are NOT seeing paintball pistols, BB guns, David-style slings (with smooth stones), swords, nunchucks — anything that the present culture already categorizes as a weapon. They’re confining themselves so far to baseball bats, hand-tossed projectiles, Molotov cocktails, fireworks… intentionally attacking with items NOT considered in the case law of the 2nd Amendment.
A very odd sort of line to draw for themselves. Is this to avoid charges on “assault with a deadly weapon”, or to differentiate themselves from the Right and Constitutionalist, or to bolster the posture of being “non-violent” — mayhem accomplished by means of deadly re-purposed tools being morally superior to the tear gas, bean bags, and suppression holds used by police?
pouncer (b0e023) — 8/19/2020 @ 9:45 amSix months after that play, you had the alexandria ambush, who durbin
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 8/19/2020 @ 9:46 amWe pretend that susan rosenberg has not beedirecting this, that corporate america is funding this extortion schemes that there are footbaths at the philadelphia airport but not chapels or synagogues.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 8/19/2020 @ 9:49 amGG @4-
I agree.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 8/19/2020 @ 9:53 amSir, this is an Arby’s.
Time123 (ea2b98) — 8/19/2020 @ 9:54 amI always get a laugh when Haiku challenges someone’s source, and then turns around and posts an article from Caliper Claire’s Quillette.
On topic, there’s zero chance that Loomer will win this contest, she’s running in the hopes that it will force Twitter to reinstate her account.
Davethulhu (2202c3) — 8/19/2020 @ 9:55 amThis is how the game gets played. The GOP gets defined by its looniest elements. If you apply the same standard for Democrats, you’re a racist, a xenophobe, or both.
The media has perfected this formula for years, but “real conservatives” have become its most rabid practitioners.
beer ‘n pretzels (00b6c2) — 8/19/2020 @ 9:56 amSaw on Twitter last night some blue check I had never heard of using Trumpist logic: “Man, if Laura Loomer can win her GOP primary like that then Donald Trump is going to win Florida by 10 or 15 points, and he’ll just sweep the vote across the country!” There were at least a few sane people who suggested that there might be some logic holes in that particular thesis.
JVW (ee64e4) — 8/19/2020 @ 9:56 amIn orlando a islamist terrorist slew 50 people and they still dont talk about it four years later.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 8/19/2020 @ 9:58 amWe have another nutcase for da.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 8/19/2020 @ 9:59 amI think it’s preferable to have a candidate like Loomer, who is open about her beliefs and gives the voters material they can use in deciding whether to vote for her, than to have a candidate like Susan Collins where it’s difficult to say on any given day what she stands for or what she will do.
John B Boddie (042948) — 8/19/2020 @ 10:00 am“If you apply the same standard for Democrats, you’re a racist, a xenophobe, or both.”
This standard is applied all the time. See the constant claims that the Democratic party is being run by the radical left, despite nominating the two most centrist Democrats imaginable.
Davethulhu (2202c3) — 8/19/2020 @ 10:00 amIs she a loony fringe member of the part? Trump, the leader of the republican party, tweeted out congratulations and support for her. That makes her look welcome in the mainstream in the part.
Time123 (b87ded) — 8/19/2020 @ 10:01 amDavethulhu, Biden won’t be running anything, not even his twitter account, and Harris is a centrist in your world only.
beer ‘n pretzels (00b6c2) — 8/19/2020 @ 10:05 amShes more forceful than most, twitter took her off yet allows apologists for terrorist and rioters run ranpant.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 8/19/2020 @ 10:05 amI can’t say nuffin. In the mid-terms, the only person the Trumpablicans fielded in my (former) Chicago suburban district against the Lipinski Dynasty was an outright Nazi complete with (not kidding) Tyrolean hat.
On topic, there’s zero chance that Loomer will win this contest, she’s running in the hopes that it will force Twitter to reinstate her account.
Das sind gute Nachrichten!
nk (1d9030) — 8/19/2020 @ 10:14 am“Davethulhu, Biden won’t be running anything, not even his twitter account, and Harris is a centrist in your world only.”
Example #1.
Davethulhu (2202c3) — 8/19/2020 @ 10:15 amRep. Ross Spano becomes 8th House incumbent to lose renomination
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 8/19/2020 @ 10:15 amFlorida Rep. Ross Spano was defeated in his GOP primary on Tuesday, becoming the eighth House incumbent to lose a renomination bid this year — a historic high.
……
The eight current members of the House who have been felled in primaries and district conventions — five Republicans and three Democrats — is already twice the number who were defeated in the 2018 election cycle, as ideological and generational battles roil both parties. The last time eight House incumbents lost renomination outside a redistricting year was the Watergate-era 1974 primary season.
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But can we be clear on one thing, please? The only things Florida Loomer and Illinois Nazi define are Trump and his duck-pluckers.
nk (1d9030) — 8/19/2020 @ 10:17 amDavid Harsanyi
@davidharsanyi
So a bunch of extremists speak at the DNC during the day, placating the progressives, and then Biden just gets to say they have nothing to do with the party? And everyone moves on?
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I didn’t vote for him, so think of a new retort
@jtlol
· Here’s Linda Sarsour, with the @DemConvention logo right next to her empty skull, but she didn’t speak at the #DNC because [WAVES HANDS FURIOUSLY]
harkin (cd4502) — 8/19/2020 @ 10:24 am_
nothng to see here,
https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/08/goodyear-tires-black-lives-matter-okay-at-work-blue-lives-matter-all-lives-matter-maga-prohibited/
bolivar de gris (7404b5) — 8/19/2020 @ 10:28 am‘She Has No Role’: Biden Condemns Ousted Women’s March Organizer Linda Sarsour after Her DNC Appearance
…..
“Joe Biden has been a strong supporter of Israel and a vehement opponent of anti-Semitism his entire life, and he obviously condemns her views and opposes BDS, as does the Democratic platform,” Biden spokesman Andrew Bates said, according to CNN’s Jake Tapper. “She has no role in the Biden campaign whatsoever.”
Bates then pointed out that the official Democratic platform says, “We oppose any effort to unfairly single out and delegitimize Israel, including at the United Nations or through the Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions Movement.”
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 8/19/2020 @ 10:28 am……
DNC thread still up and going strong, but “Squirrel needed on Loomer post! Squirrel on Loomer post, please!”
nk (1d9030) — 8/19/2020 @ 10:31 amEveryone knows that both the left and right include fringe nut jobs. By not giving them a major platform, much time, or any attention the leaders signal that they also view them as fringe nut jobs. Biden is signalling that they’re not close to him.
The left is picking that up loud and clear. If you read any left twitter you’ll see a lot of complaints that Collin Powell and Kasich are getting prime time speaking slots and more recognition then the nutty left.
Time123 (ea2b98) — 8/19/2020 @ 10:33 amso what, they have already made their pledges, which mean to destroy america as it stands, and colin powell doesn’t give a farthing, as he gave obama a blank check, and the same for hillary,
bolivar de gris (7404b5) — 8/19/2020 @ 10:37 amwho did he think he was, ilhan omar, or the other justice democrats and their svengali,
https://www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/buzz/2020/02/10/florida-bar-investigating-ross-spano-for-campaign-finance-violations-from-irregular-loans/
bolivar de gris (7404b5) — 8/19/2020 @ 10:44 amI hope you don’t join the Democrats. I don’t see you being buds with anti-Semites like Linda Sarsour, who spoke at the convention, or the abolish ICE/abolish prison proponents at the Democrat Party convention. You might just be out of a job if the Democrats get their way.
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 8/19/2020 @ 10:47 amDave (1bb933) — 8/19/2020 @ 9:30 am
Just keep repeating that, if it gives you comfort. To add to your comfort, I will pay to include the epithet “Marxism, LOL!” on your headstone so that all may properly remember you.
At the core, either consciencely or unconsciously, Loomer ran, rather than leave, for the same reason that I left the GOP, the same reason others left the GOP; the GOP left us first and no longer represented us or shared our goals. The reason Loomer won was not unlike the reason Trump won; her constituency felt unrepresented by their party that no longer shared their goals.
Patterico is quite right to take a hard pass, as I do, at the suggestion to rejoin the GOP. The GOP need to rejoin us.
felipe (023cc9) — 8/19/2020 @ 10:47 am🙂
Glorious.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/19/2020 @ 10:48 amEveryone knows that both the left and right include fringe nut jobs. By not giving them a major platform, much time, or any attention the leaders signal that they also view them as fringe nut jobs. Biden is signalling that they’re not close to him.
If Democrats truly saw them at nut jobs, they wouldn’t let them speak at the convention – at all. They don’t view them as nut jobs. Far from it.
Hoi Polloi (dc4124) — 8/19/2020 @ 10:49 amSir, this is an Arby’s.
Time123 (ea2b98) — 8/19/2020 @ 9:54 am
Are you sure you know where you are, Time?
felipe (023cc9) — 8/19/2020 @ 10:52 am…..Linda Sarsour, who spoke at the convention….
She did not speak at the convention, but appeared at an off-site forum, and was denounced by the Biden campaign. Let’s get our facts straight.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 8/19/2020 @ 10:53 amAgreed. I view them as nutjobs. The Dems just find them embarrassing and try to hide them in the background.
Look, I don’t like the Dems. But I’d like them less if AOC got a 30 minute slot and they let their Nutjobs have center stage.
Time123 (b87ded) — 8/19/2020 @ 10:57 amDuring a production of “Julias Caesar” in Central Park in 2017, she rushed the stage shouting, “Stop the normalization of political violence against the right! This is unacceptable!”
Now where could she have gotten that idea?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFEK0Sbq4o8
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/19/2020 @ 11:00 amJohn B Boddie (042948) — 8/19/2020 @ 10:00 am
I agree, John. Before some one adds “So you would rather lose a seat just to send a message,” Let me counter with “no, the GOP would rather lose a seat than represent their base.”
felipe (023cc9) — 8/19/2020 @ 11:04 amShe did not speak at the convention, but appeared at an off-site forum
Because that distinction would matter if David Duke spoke at an RNC off-site forum.
beer ‘n pretzels (66ab3d) — 8/19/2020 @ 11:07 am“If Democrats truly saw them at nut jobs, they wouldn’t let them speak at the convention – at all. They don’t view them as nut jobs. Far from it.”
Example #2.
Davethulhu (2202c3) — 8/19/2020 @ 11:08 am“Because that distinction would matter if David Duke spoke at an RNC off-site forum.”
Example #3
Davethulhu (2202c3) — 8/19/2020 @ 11:08 am@52-
And you can make that argument when he does next week.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 8/19/2020 @ 11:09 amI knew it was a good riposte before comments 53, 54, and 55 were made. You know you are in trouble when no one reacts to your comments.
felipe (023cc9) — 8/19/2020 @ 11:28 am50, oh man I was looking forward to the Howard Beale assassination!
Loomer was likely of 2 different distant lifeforms when the Mad As Hell guy was gracing movie houses and the annual Sunday night viewing on the ol ABC.
urbanleftbehind (7fb72d) — 8/19/2020 @ 11:30 amCities are burning, our history is being erased and you worry about laura loomer, perspective
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 8/19/2020 @ 11:33 am@10
The author breaks down the historical meaning of Marxism and how it morphed into the current new (new) Marxism that we’re seeing today.
The relationships between what (classical) liberalisms means to society to Marxis movements.
This struck me as compelling:
It’s a worth a read, trust me.
whembly (c30c83) — 8/19/2020 @ 11:58 am“This struck me as compelling:”
It strikes me as projection.
“This is why the very idea that a dissenting opinion—one that is not “Progressive” or “Anti-Racist”—could be considered legitimate has disappeared from liberal institutions as Marxists have gained power. ”
Posters on this very forum claim that if Biden becomes president, the country will be destroyed.
Davethulhu (2202c3) — 8/19/2020 @ 12:16 pmI take it that you haven’t read the article… you’re missing the full context.
whembly (c30c83) — 8/19/2020 @ 12:18 pmWhembly, that does sound interesting. I’ll take a look. Thank you for the follow up.
Time123 (ea2b98) — 8/19/2020 @ 12:30 pmFeel the love!
Dave (1bb933) — 8/19/2020 @ 12:46 pm“I take it that you haven’t read the article… you’re missing the full context.”
Define “Marxism”.
If anything has caused a rise in “Marxism” over the last 30 years, it’s the right’s insistence on calling everything the left does “Socialist”, “Marxist”, or “Communist”. The terms have been diluted to the point where they’re meaningless. This article is no exception. In this case it’s using it as a synonym for “Social Justice”.
He also vastly overstates the power wielded by the “Marxists”. This is helped by the media, who know what gets eyeballs and clicks. But the level of “Marxist” control described in the article just doesn’t exist.
Davethulhu (2202c3) — 8/19/2020 @ 12:52 pmPosters on this very forum claim that if Biden becomes president, the country will be destroyed.
Who?
Davethulhu, honest question that might address this point:
beer ‘n pretzels (8d1bf0) — 8/19/2020 @ 12:52 pmConceptually, what do you like about America? Over its history, what has it done better than other countries?
“Who?”
NJRob. Haiku.
“Conceptually, what do you like about America? Over its history, what has it done better than other countries?”
I’m not getting in this argument with you again, b’n’p. It’s not worth my time to have a discussion with someone whose response is “if you don’t like it, leave.”
Davethulhu (2202c3) — 8/19/2020 @ 12:58 pmThat won’t be my response, Davethulhu, because this is a very different discussion. Try me.
beer ‘n pretzels (00b6c2) — 8/19/2020 @ 12:59 pm@64
Per that article:
1. Oppressor and oppressed
Marx argues that, as an empirical matter, people invariably form themselves into cohesive groups (he calls them classes), which exploit one another to the extent they are able. A liberal political order is no different in this from any other, and it tends toward two classes, one of which owns and controls pretty much everything (the oppressor); while the other is exploited, and the fruit of its labor appropriated, so that it does not advance and, in fact, remains forever enslaved (the oppressed). In addition, Marx sees the state itself, its laws and its mechanisms of enforcement, as a tool that the oppressor class uses to keep the regime of oppression in place and to assist in carrying out this work.
2. False consciousness
Marx recognizes that the liberal businessmen, politicians, lawyers, and intellectuals who keep this system in place are unaware that they are the oppressors, and that what they think of as progress has only established new conditions of oppression. Indeed, even the working class may not know that they are exploited and oppressed. This is because they all think in terms of liberal categories (e.g., the individual’s right to freely sell his labor) which obscure the systematic oppression that is taking place. This ignorance of the fact that one is an oppressor or oppressed is called the ruling ideology (Engels later coined the phrase false consciousness to describe it), and it is only overcome when one is awakened to what is happening and learns to recognize reality using true categories.
3. Revolutionary reconstitution of society
Marx suggests that, historically, oppressed classes have materially improved their conditions only through a revolutionary reconstitution of society at large—that is, through the destruction of the oppressor class, and of the social norms and ideas that hold the regime of systematic oppression in place. He even specifies that liberals will supply the oppressed with the tools needed to overthrow them. There is a period of “more or less veiled civil war, raging within existing society, up to the point where that war breaks out into open revolution” and the “violent overthrow” of the liberal oppressors. At this point, the oppressed seize control of the state.
4. Total disappearance of class antagonisms
Marx promises that after the oppressed underclass takes control of the state, the exploitation of individuals by other individuals will be “put to an end” and the antagonism between classes of individuals will totally disappear. How this is to be done is not specified.
…okay, now I’m convinced you didn’t read this article… (note to the rest of the readers: the author goes into details of what is classical liberalism and its relationship to the Marxist movements).
whembly (c30c83) — 8/19/2020 @ 1:03 pmwhembly (c30c83) — 8/19/2020 @ 1:03 pm
I read the entire article and I agree with most of it. The parts over which I would nit-pick are of importance only to, perhaps, the author and myself. You did a kindness to the readers here who might have skipped the Colonel’s link.
felipe (023cc9) — 8/19/2020 @ 1:11 pmAnyone see the “comeback kid” last night?
He looks and presents way older than Trump and even Biden.
Wonder if Hillary has realized he’s lost his utility and is putting tiny amounts of arsenic in his testosterone supplements so he dies of “natural causes”?
Eyefull (fd0e2c) — 8/19/2020 @ 1:18 pmGawain’s Ghost (b25cd1) — 8/19/2020 @ 9:13 am
The interesting question is what is his, or their motive.
It seems like there are two things a person wold get out of QAnon:
1, Trump is a very good guy.
2/ He;s going to win without any little person’s help. That’s the upshot of all the tales he or it or they spin. And by win he means destroy some nefarious conspiracy.
There’s another thing
3. The things claimed are so false there;s little chance of convincing anyone who’s not long into it and it reduces the chances that anyone will support Trump who;s not already inclined to do so.
So I could see someone supporting the Democrats behind it.
Or maybe its someone who at some point is going to want to cash in.
Campaign finance regulations which make it impossible to start new parties or run independent campaigns that get traction.
Sammy Finkelman (db2a13) — 8/19/2020 @ 1:19 pmDave (1bb933) — 8/19/2020 @ 12:46 pm
Heh, I must confess that I like your attitude. It does you credit.
felipe (023cc9) — 8/19/2020 @ 1:36 pmI’m not worried about Karl Marx coming back from the grave and taking over the country.
I’m worried because Groucho Marx already has…
Dave (1bb933) — 8/19/2020 @ 3:07 pmWhen told in 2017 that 2,000 migrants had died that year crossing the Mediterranean, Loomer said, “Good. [applause emoji] Here’s to 2,000 more.”
That’s what Trump stands behind. Keep telling yourselves he’s an acceptable price for beating back the Marxists in your head. Librul tears don’t come cheap.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 8/19/2020 @ 10:47 pm