Out: Trump Taking Pandemic Seriously. In: Retweeting Video Making Misleading Claims About Coronavirus Cure (UPDATE) (2nd UPDATE)
[guest post by Dana]
Last week I wrote about Trump’s new political strategy of leaning into the pandemic. However, taking the virus seriously was apparently little more than a short-lived experiment, given the president’s retweet of a video in which a doctor claims that the anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine is the cure for the coronavirus. The video was later deleted by Twitter:
Twitter has pulled a video of doctors making false claims about the novel coronavirus after it was shared by President Trump. Late Monday night, the president stumbled across the viral video that showed fringe doctors touting the controversial anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine as “a cure for COVID” and doubting the effectiveness of wearing masks. The claims made in the video directly contradicted the advice of Trump’s own public-health experts—but, despite that, he slammed the retweet button. Now, Trump’s page shows a disclaimer where the retweet once was, reading: “This Tweet is no longer available.” A Twitter spokesperson told CNN: “We’re taking action in line with our COVID misinfo policy.” Facebook and YouTube have also confirmed they removed the misleading video. Despite what Trump appears to believe, clinical trials have found that hydroxycholroquine has shown no real benefit in treating coronavirus patients, and has potentially deadly side effects.
Just this past weekend, Trump expressed some regret over his tweets, especially his retweets. I’m guessing hoping that he might be experiencing some of that regret this morning.
These are reportedly some of the views held by a Houston doctor who was part of the controversial viral video that Trump retweeted:
Immanuel, a pediatrician and a religious minister, has a history of making bizarre claims about medical topics and other issues. She has often claimed that gynecological problems like cysts and endometriosis are in fact caused by people having sex in their dreams with demons and witches.
She alleges alien DNA is currently used in medical treatments, and that scientists are cooking up a vaccine to prevent people from being religious. And, despite appearing in Washington, D.C. to lobby Congress on Monday, she has said that the government is run in part not by humans but by “reptilians” and other aliens.
More on Trump’s retweets concerning the coronavirus:
Trump also retweeted tweets defending the use of the drug hydroxychloroquine, including one that accused Dr. Anthony Fauci, a member of the White House coronavirus task force, of misleading the public by dismissing the drug.
“I have not been misleading the public under any circumstances,” Fauci responded on ABC’s “Good Morning America” on Tuesday morning when asked for his reaction to Trump’s retweets.
Fauci reiterated that the “overwhelming prevailing clinical trials” that have looked at the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine have indicated that it’s “not effective” in treating the coronavirus.
In spite of plummeting poll numbers, surveys showing that the majority of Americans disapprove of the way he is handling the pandemic, and the concerted efforts of his advisers, handlers, and his own Coronavirus Task Force, the self-consumed toddler-in-chief is simply unable to grasp the severity of the pandemic and the state of the nation. In other words, Trump is just being Trump.
UPDATE: President Trump addressed questions about Dr. Immanuel (in the video) at today’s press conference:
Pres. Trump abruptly ended his coronavirus briefing following a question by CNN’s @kaitlancollins. The President defended tweets he shared that supported the use of hydroxychloroquine and called a doctor who was spreading conspiracy theories on Covid-19 “very impressive.” pic.twitter.com/NAI697Jjh3
— CNN Newsroom (@CNNnewsroom) July 28, 2020
2ND UPDATE: Just OMG:
The woman whose “important voice” he was amplifying the other day was demanding that Dr. Fauci, Chris Cuomo and the rest of us at CNN turn over our urine to her so she could test it for hydroxychloroquine which she insists we are all secretly taking. Totally normal. https://t.co/k1ajOkK9hC
— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) July 28, 2020
–Dana
Good morning.
Dana (25e0dc) — 7/28/2020 @ 9:25 amWhen you’re an Incubus they let you do it. You can do anything.
Dave (1bb933) — 7/28/2020 @ 9:44 amWorth noting that it was coordinated activity with (at least) Mini-Don, who was briefly suspended.
Why might they collude to drive attention to this topic? Hm.
john (cd2753) — 7/28/2020 @ 9:51 amMaybe if Trump’s poll numbers fall even further, he’ll start listening to his team of medical experts again instead of Nigerian quacks. Good grief.
Paul Montagu (dead92) — 7/28/2020 @ 9:53 amIf Santeria and Dianetics had a child.
nk (1d9030) — 7/28/2020 @ 9:54 amHeh.
Dana (25e0dc) — 7/28/2020 @ 9:56 amOn the larger subject of fictions and lies, here’s a good summary of AG Barr’s dishonest and unethical conduct.
I’m expecting today’s hearing involving Barr and the Judiciary Committee to be a political sh!tshow.
Paul Montagu (dead92) — 7/28/2020 @ 10:20 amMore lawfare garbage from the folks who though a drunk who had been prosecuted by rosenstein credible
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/28/2020 @ 10:28 amshe has said that the government is run in part not by humans but by “reptilians” and other aliens.
It would explain a lot.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/28/2020 @ 10:28 amOh but that’s just the serious part of Trump mendacity and stupidity. On the lighter side he also completely made up an invitation to throw out the first pitch for the Yankees, because he was jealous of Fauci:
https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2020/07/trump-withdraws-self-invitation-to-yankee-stadium
Victor (a225f9) — 7/28/2020 @ 10:28 am“I have not been misleading the public under any circumstances,”
Uh, masks, originally?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/28/2020 @ 10:29 amIf Trump’s poll numbers are under 30% soon, that renomination is going to have problems. The GOP may still opt for suicide though.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/28/2020 @ 10:32 amWrong is different than misleading, and he did admit it and explain why.
It’s a different take than the stable genius who’s perfect, 10 out of 10.
Colonel Klink (ret) (d3858a) — 7/28/2020 @ 10:34 amMaybe if Trump’s poll numbers fall even further, he’ll start listening to his team of medical experts again instead of Nigerian quacks. Good grief.
He will probably go all in with quacks. Quack Quack!
RipMurdock (d2a2a8) — 7/28/2020 @ 10:38 amYeah.
And I’m on his side. I get the idea of preserving masks for hospitals in a desperate shortage. The shenanigans related to supplies were real so Fauci was completely justified to try to prioritize. But there was a clear statement that masks weren’t going to protect us, changed to masks are very useful to protect us.
Lucky for Dr. “Nolan Ryan” Fauci, he’s competing against actual crazy villains and his white lies seem almost endearing at this point.
Dustin (4237e0) — 7/28/2020 @ 10:40 amNew york city with thr pile of skulls is faucis optimum case, even python couldnt make this up
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/28/2020 @ 10:41 am> If Trump’s poll numbers are under 30% soon, that renomination is going to have problems
Why? They’d just declare it a pre-C19 formality and declare Acclimation is the true conservative procedure. (But certainly not Compromise.)
I don’t think we’ll get there, though – the Crazification Factor is estimated to be 27% of the population. I think that can only be asymptotically approached.
john (cd2753) — 7/28/2020 @ 10:41 amGod I hope so.
Dustin (4237e0) — 7/28/2020 @ 10:42 amThis is the point graham chapman comes in and points this is very silly
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200727/Clinical-Trials-of-Hydroxychloroquine-in-COVID-19-Outpatients-Are-Safe.aspx
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/28/2020 @ 10:48 amDoctors and scientists are wrong about things. The Scientific Method means methodically working through all the possibilities/variables until you can verify a hypothesis or diagnosis. By definition, some theories will be proven wrong. That still poses problems in diseases like cancer and diabetes that have been studied for decades, and it is even harder in new pandemics like this … but it does not make their recommendations worthless.
IMO a President’s job is to make the leading government medical doctors available so they can share their recommendations with the States and the public. A President should also incorporate the recommendations into government policy and explain why, if not. Or Presidents can follow Obama’s lead and decide they know more about everything than everyone. That seems to be where we are as a nation.
DRJ (aede82) — 7/28/2020 @ 10:58 amChicken soup is safer. And more effective against any number of ailments, I guarantee it. But you have to consume it yourself, not offer it to Chango as a sacrifice.
nk (1d9030) — 7/28/2020 @ 10:59 amSo twitter is still keeping that fraud desai, up after surgisphere been debunked.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/28/2020 @ 11:03 amOr Presidents can follow Obama’s lead and decide they know more about everything than everyone.
ROFLMAO
“I’m the decider I decide what’s best.” – Dubya 4/18/06
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/28/2020 @ 11:05 amAt least Bush read his briefings and listened to his advisers before he decided.
DRJ (aede82) — 7/28/2020 @ 11:05 amDustin,
There are real concerns about masks and Covid because there are different kinds of masks (N95, surgical, cloth, homemade, etc.) and differences in where/how they are used. These issues are still being debated but they were even more confusing 4 months ago when the conventional medical wisdom was that only N95 masks could protect against a virus.
DRJ (aede82) — 7/28/2020 @ 11:06 am‘differing masks’ is a bit of diversion in all this. Hands and elbow crooks differ too, but you can still use both to cover a mouth when coughing or sneezing to dampen an expulsion of droplets.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/28/2020 @ 11:09 amBetter than your guy:
“I don’t take responsibility at all.” – Trump 3/13/20
Dave (1bb933) — 7/28/2020 @ 11:11 amFrom my last link:
Educating us is what Trump and his advisers should be doing now.
DRJ (aede82) — 7/28/2020 @ 11:13 amVery good point, DRJ.
I guess I take it for granted that covering faces is something, albeit how much of something I have no idea, and as you pointed out, there’s a difference between a handkerchief and a respirator.
Add in that people touch their faces to adjust masks and it is a complicated issue.
Still, assuming the worst that Fauci was white lying to preserve materials for hospitals, and that he thought masks would be hoarded if he conveyed the idea that masks do help everyone, that’s the kind of ‘he gets things done’ approach I thought Trump was supposed to be all about.
Dustin (4237e0) — 7/28/2020 @ 11:13 amOne other thought: I wear masks a lot lately and I have a cloth one that is much more comfortable than my N95 mask or the KN95 ones that are easier to find. It’s easier to walk in the Texas heat in the cloth mask and I also don’t feel it itching my face. I don’t think hospital staff should wear these simple masks but I think if we’re talking about slowing the spread with the public, the cloth masks carry benefits that a study of viruses penetrating the mask might miss.
Dustin (4237e0) — 7/28/2020 @ 11:16 amThat may have some of Fauci’s point. Clearly, there were not enough N95 masks for healthcare let alone the public. But my belief is that Fauci was always talking about surgical masks for the public. They were also in short supply but there is an argument that they are not helpful and could hurt if you are around infected people, because they contain the infected droplets and cause you to inhale them deeper into your lungs. Some have speculated that the higher mortality rate we see among Covid caregivers is due to them wearing surgical masks.
DRJ (aede82) — 7/28/2020 @ 11:17 am@24. Reading and comprehending are two different things, as Condi could tell you:
‘Bin Laden Determined To Strike in US was the title of the President’s Daily Brief prepared by the Central Intelligence Agency and given to U.S. President George W. Bush on Monday, August 6, 2001. The brief warned, 36 days before the September 11 attacks, of terrorism threats from Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda, including “patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for a hijacking.” of U.S. aircraft.”‘ -source, wikioops.goofup.org
“Nobody’s perfect.” – Osgood Fielding III [Joe E. Brown] ‘Some Like It Hot’ 1959
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/28/2020 @ 11:18 amA cloth mask over surgical mask is my choice. Not comfortable, true.
DRJ (aede82) — 7/28/2020 @ 11:19 amIf Trump had treated this like a real issue that needed to be addressed in March he’d be in a much better place and so would the country.
Look at the approval numbers of Jim Dewine and Gretchen Whitmere.
Their policies were pretty similar. Dewine shut down first, and opened first but they weren’t huge differences. He was clear that there was a problem. He was clear about what he would do about it. He provided clear and concise information to the public. His approval rating was 87% in march.
Whitemere did a lot of the same things, but was worse at communication and a lot less decisive. Many of her decisions were made suddenly and it didn’t look like she had a very thought through plan.
Her approval rating was 60% for handling of the virus.
Trump is at 33% approval for his handling of the virus.
It’s clear that regardless of party the public is willing to support leaders they see honestly trying to address the issue. It’s also clear that most people don’t think that describes Trump.
Time123 (cd2ff4) — 7/28/2020 @ 11:22 amNow apply your points to our current President, DCSCA.
DRJ (aede82) — 7/28/2020 @ 11:22 am@27. Again you’re confused: Trump is your guy; a Reagan Creation; the Frankenstein monster spawned and nurtured in Ronnie’s corrupted, go-go 80s, locked up in Trump Tower who got loose to terrorize and devour his very creators. Trump is the GOP’s ‘Picture of Dorian Gray.’ Trump is you. Deal with it; ‘denial’ is a river in Egypt.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/28/2020 @ 11:27 amFauci is another example. His advice has changed over time wrt to masks. I read the initial quotes and they weren’t strident. But most people are willing to listen to him because on balance they think he’s being honest and providing good information.
You don’t have to be perfect, you do have to be somewhat competent and honestly trying.
Time123 (53ef45) — 7/28/2020 @ 11:28 am@33. Been wearing a cloth mask since Feb., but the ‘wet sock syndrome’ get tiring.
@35. What’s to apply: Helsinki said it all.
Nobody’s disputing he’s a thermonuclear dork. But never forget that in this era, Americans don’t want to be governed, they wish to be entertained. An Trump knows the audience. Reagan was merely an actor; Trump is a showman– and the show will go on.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/28/2020 @ 11:33 amEducating us is what Trump and his advisers should be doing now.
That’s on the other side of the looking glass. Trump and his advisors are entertaining us. Even with the complete resources of the Federal gov’t at his disposal, the Master Showman makes ‘you’– the audience– always feel and believe you’re smarter than he is or his minions are.
And that’s the trick. A magician couldn’t ask for more of an audience.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/28/2020 @ 11:42 amTrump created himself. Reagan had nothing to do with it, and his foundation has rejected any association.
Paul Montagu (dead92) — 7/28/2020 @ 11:51 amI bet you’re right. You’re a more analytical interpreter than a lot of us.
I know repetition is important to you so just remember who your guy is. That idiot guy, the result of stubborn opposition to Reagan et al, at the expense of standing for something. That’s really why it’s hard to trust democrats. Before LBJ but certainly after they are all about whatever position wins.
Dustin (4237e0) — 7/28/2020 @ 11:52 amI think, at a basic level, common sense dictates that, I’d there is a highly contagious disease that can be transmitted via spittle, that any barrier, no matter if not an N95 mask, will help limit the likelihood of transmission.
With that, during the beginning stages of the pandemic, we knew there were limited resources and that frontline health care workers would need to be prioritized for PPE. If they needed the protection from patients, we non-medical professionals would also need protection but perhaps on a smaller scale given that we are not in close, daily contact with Covid patients. Dust cloth masks and surgical masks are going to be helpful barriers when in public.
Dana (518a33) — 7/28/2020 @ 11:52 amThe actual text of Bush’s briefing, which Deezy-Eska deceptively edited, said:
The emphasis is on the fact that three-year old reports of a possible hijacking plan have *not* been corroborated, but activities consistent with some kind of attack (and hijacking presumably would not require surveillance of federal buildings) had been noticed.
Dave (1bb933) — 7/28/2020 @ 11:53 amHe earns the Denzel Washington 2-word Training Day meme, where both words end in -H properly pronounced:
http://www.huffpost.com/entry/michael-steele-portland-protests_n_5f1fc7f9c5b638cfec493741
urbanleftbehind (08b3a1) — 7/28/2020 @ 11:54 amDana, I think you’re right. And when I look at Fauci’s early remarks I think he was talking about protecting yourself, not others. His answer wasn’t very good imo.
Time123 (53ef45) — 7/28/2020 @ 11:55 amFauci spoke from personal knowledge, both as an infectious disease specialist and as a public health official. N95s had to be available to prioritized healthcare workers, first and foremost. Also, given the fluidity of the situation back in March, I believe he made a statement that prioritized frontline healthcare workers understanding that a full blown pandemic would require all hands on deck, safely so.
Frankly, I don’t understand why this is in doubt, and why Fauci has been dinner graded for his comment.
Dana (518a33) — 7/28/2020 @ 11:57 amIf wearing a mask protects others, by default, it also protects her self. Obviously, when two people in close proximity wear, then there’s double the protection (for both individuals).
Dana (518a33) — 7/28/2020 @ 11:59 amFauci was not calling the shots.
The effort to discourage the general public from making a run on masks also included very strong statements from the Surgeon General, who only reports to one (orange) man.
Dave (1bb933) — 7/28/2020 @ 12:02 pmWhile the government should be educating us about Covid-19, including masks, the clown in the WH is busy spreading counter-intuitive advice re a highly contagious virus:
Dana (518a33) — 7/28/2020 @ 12:06 pm40.Trump created himself. Reagan had nothing to do with it, and his foundation has rejected any association.
ROFLMAOPIP =ring-ring= 1980’s Reaganomics 1980’s are calling you– pick up. Trump is you; ‘denial’ is a river in Egypt.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/28/2020 @ 12:09 pm… Reagan had nothing to do with it, and his foundation has rejected any association.
ROFLMAO The classic tell.
He’s their monster. He’s gotten loose. They know. And they’re terrified.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/28/2020 @ 12:14 pmPoor Deezy-Eska. His always-tenuous connection to reality seems to have finally snapped.
Next he’ll probably quote some stupid movie or TV show and try to tell us it’s 1964.
Dave (1bb933) — 7/28/2020 @ 12:19 pmYeah that’s the ticket. The fact that Reagan’s fans oppose Trump proves how much Trump is a product of Reagan fans and not, ya know, people like you who voted for Trump because you wanted to laugh at how much that screwed up the conservative movement.
hahahaha, btw.
Dustin (4237e0) — 7/28/2020 @ 12:49 pmTim Alberta travelled Scranton, Pennsylvania, a blue collar working class town that should be the definition of Trump country, to interview dozens of voters there. The answers he got were sometimes puzzling and often contradictory.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/07/28/letter-to-washington-scranton-white-working-class-381320
One truck driver said he’s never voted in his life and doesn’t intend to start now. Several said they were going to sit out the election, because they didn’t like either candidate. Others said they voted for Trump in 2016, but won’t vote him this year.
Alberta’s takeaway is that spells trouble for Trump, because if he loses support among the rural working class, he can’t win. He’s already lost suburbanites, college educated voters, women and young voters. The main reasons given by those who voted for Trump in the last election, but will vote for him in this election, are his mishandling of the coronavirus and the economic wreckage wrought by it.
Over 150,000 people are dead. Hospitals are overrun. The disease continues to spred unimpeded. Unemployment is rising. Businesses are being closed or shuttered. What a mess trump has made.
He failed to bring back manufacturing. His precious border wall has not been built. Crime rates are surging in the inner cities. Protest over police brutality and racial inequality abound. And that’s just a short list of his failures in office.
And his response to these protests, most of which were peaceful, is to end in paramilitary troops armed with batons and tear gas, and tactical gear including semi-sutomatic weapons, to harrass citizens and make arrests without probable cause? It’s like he’s trying to invoke martial law.
Biden may be a senile old man, but wouldn’t try anything like that. No would send out idiot tweets spreading misinformation, conspiracy theories, and stupid ideas about fake cures for a deadly disease.
Trump had several advantages in 2026. He was new, not a politician but a showman. His packed rallies dazzled his rabid base. Plus, the opposition to Clinton was viceral, and she ran a terrible campaign.
Now, through his ineptitude, he’s lost those advantages. He can’t hold rallies. He can’t even hold a convention. Biden is not Clinton. He’s winning in the early polls, often by double didgets.
Trump’ approval ratings are sinking, as his disapproval ratings are rising.
Of course, all that could change in the coming months, but it’s unlikely. He could still squeak out an improbable victory, but not if the coronavirus continues to rage and the economy worsens.
Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1) — 7/28/2020 @ 1:05 pm@52. Next he’ll probably quote some stupid movie or TV show and try to tell us it’s 1964
Howzabout 1985:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd0mtMDmtl8
‘… I sometimes put together in my mind my own dream Cabinet; John Wayne as Secretary of State, Clint Eastwood at Defense, Jack Benny as Secretary of the Treasury; Groucho Marx at Education…” Ronald Reagan, 12/8/85
_________
O.M.G.
Plagiarist JoeyBee does another speech and Delaware presser.
My God. A complete gaffe-filled dottering disaster. Again with the deceptive ‘$42,000 [in 1972 dollars] a year how did I make it line.
If there isn’t an ambulance or undertaker on stand-by with that campaign, there outta be. Still his not been tested for Covid 19, either. Wholly agree w/Dana:
We are so screwed by either of these choices.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/28/2020 @ 1:07 pmYou didn’t really take that seriously did you? I mean that sounds more like a DCSCA wistful comment than a Trump cabinet
Dustin (4237e0) — 7/28/2020 @ 1:12 pm@53. It screwed up itself- Trum took it down quicker than a French rifle hits the ground.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/28/2020 @ 1:14 pmBreaking- Major League Baseball temporarily suspended the Miami Marlins’ season through Sunday because of their worsening coronavirus outbreak, and the three remaining games in this week’s New York Yankees-Philadelphia Phillies series were postponed Tuesday.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/28/2020 @ 1:18 pmI very much agree with you, but we’re a pretty smart people. The bad actors, the fringe, they have been winning a lot lately, and I think we’re all frustrated with the status quo, perhaps you dislike Reagan because you associate him with that. Also media amplifies and reinforces awful thinkers. Once we get that sorted out (And we will) I have confidence we will enter the information age we thought we had already entered, and things will get better.
Things will work out.
Dustin (4237e0) — 7/28/2020 @ 1:19 pm@59. See #39. That’s the trick.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/28/2020 @ 1:22 pmThere is no such ting as alien DNA, if by alien you mean Martians and the like. NASA keeps on looking for that, though.
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2020/07/23/mars-may-be-a-pristine-ecosystem
NASA also worried about the astronauts coming back from the moon. They weren’t quarantined for 14 days, though. Nobody had hit upon that standard yet.
Usually they imagine the alien DNA causing disease, a la “The Andromeda Strain,” not curing it.
Of course in this scenario, it’s probably evil intelligent aliens and their human collaborators or dupes trying to harm humanity through specially designed DNA.
How would that work? Does she even explain?
It seems like Trump can’t recognize a hoaxer when he sees one, or more likely, it is simply that all he is concerned about is that there is somebody who says he was right, or at least seems to be saying something close to that.
Maybe next time, he could retweet this:
https://twitter.com/WolfgangKropf/status/1253711802040549376
Followed by thus:
https://twitter.com/RealBrysonGray/status/1284150312979374080
Sammy Finkelman (fe6a9b) — 7/28/2020 @ 1:48 pmTrump is a creation of Pat Buchanan’s nationalist-isolationist ideology, the difference being that Trump doesn’t hate Jews and is a much better salesman. On policy, it’s as if Buchanan body-snatched Trump.
Paul Montagu (dead92) — 7/28/2020 @ 1:50 pmShe means reptilian aliens from other dimensions like the demonic realm.
I guess that is pretty entertaining.
Dustin (4237e0) — 7/28/2020 @ 2:06 pmBut they usually were set up to fail, because they tried it when the disease was wek developed. Dr. Zelenko, who was the doctor who got in touch with him originally, * says it has to be used before the disease really gets going, and together with zinc, and that it’s useless more than 7 or 8 days after initial infection. His protocol also includes an antibiotic. All derived from early research, and his own clinical experience.
He has written his results up into a study:
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/newly-published-outpatient-study-finds-that-early-use-of-zinc-hydroxychloroquine-and-azithromycin-is-associated-with-less-hospitalizations-and-death-301094237.html
More:
https://techstartups.com/2020/07/22/dr-vladimir-zelenko-jewish-doctor-treated-coronavirus-patients-using-hydroxychloroquine-zinc-undergoing-surgery-also-releases-new-book-coronavirus-treatment-launches-new-webs
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* He put up a YouTube video asking the president to help and somebody contacted the White House, maybe even before the video was up, and the next day he got a call from White House Chief of Staff, Mark Meadows and the rest is history. Some important Republican may have been involved in making the connection. I think Giuliani has said he wasn’t the first one to tell Trump about hydroxychlroquine/
But Trump doesn’t get into the weeds on this, or much of anything. That means he’s not really very good at distinguishing truth from falsehood.
In any case the real cure and prophylactic is artificial antibodies.
https://www.ajmc.com/newsroom/antibody-cocktail-could-offer-potent-treatment-prevention-of-covid19
And there are some treatments along these lines that are actively being tested.
Maybe somebody could interest Giuliani/
Sammy Finkelman (fe6a9b) — 7/28/2020 @ 2:21 pm62. Trump is a creation of Pat Buchanan’s nationalist-isolationist ideology…
ROFLMAOPIP
No. ‘[Pat] Buchanan served as Reagan White House Communications Director from February 1985 to March 1987. In a speech to the National Religious Broadcasters in 1986, Buchanan said of the Reagan administration: “Whether President Reagan has charted a new course that will set our compass for decades—or whether history will see him as the conservative interruption in a process of inexorable national decline—is yet to be determined”. A year later, Buchannan remarked that “the greatest vacuum in American politics is to the right of Ronald Reagan.”‘
It has been determined, PaddyBee.
Trump is a Reagan Creation; Trump is surrounded w/Reagan Seeds; the Kudlows, Barrs, Gingrich-types, Fox… Newsmax… etc., etc. Trump is a GOP creation; the Frankenstein monster who got loose from Trump Tower to terrorize and vanquish his very creators; the Reagan era’s ‘Picture of Dorian Gray’…
Trump is you. Deal with it; ‘denial’ is a river in Egypt.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/28/2020 @ 2:21 pmPaul Montagu (dead92) — 7/28/2020 @ 1:50 pm
I thought it was Jeff Sessions who body snatched Trump. But Sessions maybe is limited to immigration.
Sammy Finkelman (fe6a9b) — 7/28/2020 @ 2:23 pmI think it;s neither Pat Buchanan nor Jeff Sessions. They were promoters of certain ideologies. The origin goes back somewhere else, circa 1974. It permeated talk radio.
Sammy Finkelman (fe6a9b) — 7/28/2020 @ 2:25 pmThere’s nothing to deal with, DCSCA. Trump is an aberration, a warped distortion of traditional conservatism. There is no way Trump would emulate Reagan in this debate on illegal immigrants.
Paul Montagu (dead92) — 7/28/2020 @ 2:29 pmBut what’s closer to reality is that Trump is a symptom. It was this party–actually, a plurality of this party–that became an aberration, a warped distortion of traditional conservatism by nominating the Unfit Symptom.
Challenge anyone to watch Plagiarist JoeyBee’s pathetic presser today and compare it w/Trump’s WH presser and not honestly see that the frail Biden has one foot in a retirement home and the other in a grave. It’s almost sad to see. Just listgenand look at him… he won’t be here 15 or 20 months from now.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/28/2020 @ 2:30 pm@68. Of course there is. Which is precisely why the Reagan Foundation, that half-assed Lincoln Project an assorted righty pundits on the masthead of NR are on the outs and desperately trying to distance Ronnie from Donnie.
‘It was this party–actually, a plurality of this party–that became an aberration, a warped distortion of traditional conservatism by nominating the Unfit Symptom’— aka ‘The Picture of DorianGray.’ The hidden side, always there. Trump is GOP. He is you. After 35 years, it was inevitable to surface- the caboose of the gravy train. Welcome to 1964.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/28/2020 @ 2:36 pmAs you see sammeh, they dont give a fig, about the surgisphere fraud, its still in youtube
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/28/2020 @ 2:38 pm10 Victor (a225f9) — 7/28/2020 @ 10:28 am
No he didn’t make it up and there;s no reason to think so..
It’s just that the invitation didn’t come from the Yankees front office but from Yankees president Randy Levine (and might have been very preliminary). There hasn’t been any denial from Randy Levine.
Sammy Finkelman (fe6a9b) — 7/28/2020 @ 2:42 pmOur idiot president just cannot stop doubling down on his HCQ quackery, and blaming its bad reputation on the mean Democrats out to get him, as he’s doing this very instant at his daily COVID briefing/cold reading of the Stephen Miller monologue he’s obviously never seen before.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 7/28/2020 @ 2:47 pmDamn. He scurried away as soon as he got a question about alien DNA.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 7/28/2020 @ 2:54 pmwrt to hydrocholoroquine, the issue is hotly debated.
See this article by a Yale epidmeologist:
The Key to Defeating COVID-19 Already Exists. We Need to Start Using It
https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeating-covid-19-already-exists-we-need-start-using-it-opinion-1519535
I will not venture to take a side, but I think he is correct that the issue has become politicized, and that has distorted what should be unbiased scientific inquiry.
Bored Lawyer (56c962) — 7/28/2020 @ 2:55 pmAlong with Trump, our president’s good buddy Vladymeer Pootin (that’s the Steven Seagal pronunciation) is still hard at work misinforming and disinforming the American people.
Paul Montagu (dead92) — 7/28/2020 @ 2:56 pmPlenty of credible folks say that given at the right time, HCQ helps a lot, and using it would save some lives. That doesn’t mean it isn’t a dangerous treatment if misused (a lot of HCQ folks say because it’s a well known malaria drug it must be completely safe).
There shouldn’t be political sides to a medicine. This whole thing is ridiculous.
Dustin (4237e0) — 7/28/2020 @ 2:57 pm25. DRJ (aede82) — 7/28/2020 @ 11:06 am
But that was being doctrinaire.
A mask could reduce exposure to the point where what somebody got amounted to being more like a vaccination than a disease. That’s one reason some people had mild cases and another reason was immunity from one of the coronoviruses that cause colds (the 4 “cowpox” versions of SARS-CoV2)
Here’s the latest on masks:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/27/health/coronavirus-mask-protection.html
The paper is protected by a wall:
https://ucsf.app.box.com/s/blvolkp5z0mydzd82rjks4wyleagt036
Sammy Finkelman (fe6a9b) — 7/28/2020 @ 3:07 pmI realize that she is a pediatrician, but I wonder if she has ever female patients (or non-patients) in a professional capacity that their cysts or endometriosis were caused demon sex? How would that not be medical malpractice on some level? It makes me shudder to think that this woman is the authority that parents go to with regard to their children’s health. Obviously, she is off her rocker, and now I wonder how she feels about FGM given that she went to med school in Nigeria from 1984-1990…
Dana (25e0dc) — 7/28/2020 @ 3:07 pmCustomers Who Refused Masks Assault Trader Joe’s Workers, Send One to the Hospital
On July 14, two customers entered a Trader Joe’s grocery store in the Murray Hill neighborhood of Manhattan without masks. They refused orders from workers to wear a mask, and began assaulting workers there, according to employees of the store and the New York City Police Department.
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One of the customers ripped a mask off the face of the employee who’d asked them to wear masks, pummeled an employee over the head with a wooden paddle, and pulled the hair of a third worker, according to the police spokesperson. The employee who was pummeled with the wooden paddle (used by Trader Joe’s cashiers to signal that they’re ready to checkout a new customer) started bleeding from the head and had to go to the hospital, according to an employee who witnessed the incident. Trader Joe’s has still not publicly acknowledged the incident and did not respond to a request for comment.
“Don’t make me get my gun,” one of the customers yelled, according to the NYPD spokesperson.
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Trader Joe’s requires that all customers and employees wear face masks, with the exception of children and people with medical conditions who cannot wear face masks.
A Trader Joe’s crew member at the Murray Hill location who witnessed the events told Motherboard that upon entering the store, the men told an employee that masks would not be necessary after the upcoming election—seeming to suggest that Donald Trump would be reelected in November.
The worker said that the pair of customers assaulted seven crew members and three managers during the altercation, and that the men threw grocery baskets at employees.
The NYPD spokesperson could not confirm to Motherboard the number of people who were attacked but said that upon leaving the building, one of the men grabbed a chair and began smashing it into the front window of the store in an attempt to regain entry. Both men were arrested.
Two employees who asked to remain anonymous because they feared retaliation for speaking to the press said they believed Trader Joe’s has not acknowledged the July 14 incident in order not to scare away customers and did not inform all of the store’s employees of the altercation. This story is the first to be published about the event, which occurred two weeks ago.
RipMurdock (d2a2a8) — 7/28/2020 @ 3:09 pm…….
“Don’t make me get my gun,” one of the customers yelled……
Since NYC has such strict gun “control” it obviously was an idle threat ……
Lawsuit alleges Trump campaign, fundraising committee shielded millions in payments
A legal complaint filed Tuesday with the Federal Election Commission alleges that the Trump campaign and an affiliated fundraising committee have not properly reported nearly $170 million in campaign spending that was done through firms that paid subcontractors on behalf of the campaign.
The Campaign Legal Center, which advocates for greater regulation of money in politics, alleged in the complaint that payments made by two firms that were set up and run by former campaign manager Brad Parscale should have been reported to the public because the ultimate recipients of the payments effectively worked for the campaign.
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The defendants named in the lawsuit are the Trump campaign and the Trump Make America Great Again Committee, both of which raise and spend money for the president’s reelection effort. The suit also names American Made Media Consultants, or AMMC, and Parscale Strategy, the two firms set up by Parscale. Both companies are among the highest-paid vendors of Trump’s reelection bid and the committees that are raising and spending money in support of the president.
“The firms serve as conduits that receive millions in payments from the campaign and disburse the funds to the campaign’s ultimate vendors, thereby concealing the campaign’s transactions with those vendors,” the lawsuit reads.
RipMurdock (d2a2a8) — 7/28/2020 @ 3:14 pm……
AMMC acted as a conduit because its sub-vendors are “effectively working under the direction and control of the Trump campaign,” the lawsuit alleges. It cites media reports and interviews with Parscale to make the case that these companies are taking direction from Parscale and campaign officials, not from AMMC.
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Trump is promoting someone whose medical theory is that reptilian aliens from the demon realm have the DNA to cure the disease Trump recently told us to inject ourselves with household cleaners to resolve. A disease that shrank the economy 40% and will kill a quarter million Americans by election day, on Trump’s confused watch.
Biden stammers a lot and isn’t up for the job, but the real difference between these two men is that Biden has self awareness of his mental limitations.
It’s kinda like plagiarism. Trump is a prolific author (of tweets). Biden probably doesn’t write his own. But Trump’s tweets are insane. Biden’s are the result of the work of some savvy people who disagree with me on a lot of political issues.
Neither represent something I want. Watching Nadler troll Barr today shows us, it’s not like NEVER TRUMP is an answer.
Dustin (4237e0) — 7/28/2020 @ 3:19 pmDr. Risch’s thesis has already been shredded, and it should make narciso happy because it references the Surgisphere fraud.
Paul Montagu (dead92) — 7/28/2020 @ 3:25 pmRegarding the HCQ science in general, Dr. Ding has a ten-part thread and it’s worth a full read.
Oh, and Trump’s just mentioned the “spectacular” Dr. Immanuel in his
press conferencecampaign speech. Good lord. We’re in Bizarro TrumpWorld and I can’t get out.Whatever benefit HCQ may provide, it’s neither the panacea Trump and his demon-shtupping sycophants claim, nor the innocent nostrum his enablers who know better try to wave it off as. That makes him and his traveling medicine show dangerous.
He’s like the self-anointed Twitter Law experts. Whatever random legal tidbits they may have picked up along the way are swamped by their ignorance of what they actually know what they don’t, assuring that 99% of their assertions are hilariously wrong. If Trump had the slightest capacity for self-reflection, much less humility, he’d know that about himself. Alas….
lurker (d8c5bc) — 7/28/2020 @ 3:39 pm77… I agree with this.
Colonel Haiku (60802f) — 7/28/2020 @ 3:43 pmActually dispute over whether HCQ has a beneficial effect when combined with the Z-pack. In fact, I thought some study came out last week or two weeks ago that said that. Its never been a “cure”.
rcocean (2e1c02) — 7/28/2020 @ 3:52 pmNow coronello there has been a concerted campaign by gilead waged through the likes of the lancet to crush its more inexpensive competitor, there a 100 fold differential.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/28/2020 @ 3:53 pmIt requires zinc as a catalyst any study that leaves that out as a fraud like the u minn and imperial college ones
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/28/2020 @ 3:54 pmYep that’s what I’m referring to. Its unfortunate that the Press and all the Trump haters have decided to politicize what should be a medical issue. I can remember their cheering when the first HCQ study (which turned out to be a fraud) found it ineffective. Hurrah, take that Trump. Better for HCQ NOT to work, and thousands to die, then for something Trump “Touted” to be found useful.
rcocean (2e1c02) — 7/28/2020 @ 3:55 pmWhy does this lie persist?
BuDuh (ca3468) — 7/28/2020 @ 4:05 pmA shoot-on-sight order for anyone caught out in public without a mask is long overdue.
If the police are too squeamish, let patriotic citizen-exterminators enforce it themselves.
Dave (1bb933) — 7/28/2020 @ 4:08 pmThats what cristina cuomos quack actually did.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/28/2020 @ 4:08 pmSame reason the ‘lie’ that Trump colluded with Russia persists.
Dustin (4237e0) — 7/28/2020 @ 4:09 pmRocky roll-out for GOP coronavirus bill as McConnell disavows key White House ask, multiple Republicans revolt
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(Majority Leader Mitch) McConnell (R-Ky.) told reporters that he did not support $1.8 billion for a new FBI building included in the bill at the behest of the Trump administration, calling it “non-germane” and declaring: “When we get to the end of the process, I would hope all of the non-covid-related measures are out.”
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The problems arose even before negotiations begin in earnest with Democrats, who lobbed insults at Republicans over their divisions and what Democrats called the inadequacy of the GOP bill at a moment of deep economic uncertainty. Close to 30 million Americans remain unemployed and the economy is at a precarious juncture with coronavirus cases spiking and some states pulling back on reopening plans.
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The reception from some Republicans was not much more positive than the Democratic reaction.
“It’s a mess. I can’t figure out what this bill’s about,” Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) said after a closed-door GOP lunch attended by Meadows and Mnuchin. “This is not going to be the bill. They’re going to go negotiate with Pelosi. We have no idea what the final bill will be, and we’ll be the last to know.”
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Sen. John Neely Kennedy (R-La.) said he opposes the GOP plan to have states switch over their unemployment benefits over to a wage replacement scheme. “Many of our state departments of labor — they just got microwaves last week, much less being able to reprogram the computer in 60 days to effectuate a complicated formula,” Kennedy told reporters.
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Multiple GOP senators criticized the inclusion of the FBI headquarters money.
“I don’t understand. I mean, if somebody can explain to me how — I just don’t get it, I mean, how’s it tied to the coronavirus?” said Sen. Rick Scott (R-Fla.). “During the pandemic, let’s focus on solving the problem.”
RipMurdock (d2a2a8) — 7/28/2020 @ 4:10 pm……
Despite the confusion, many senators agreed on the urgency to act. A handful of GOP senators are facing voters in November in tough races that will determine control of the Senate.
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Roll out the barrel!
…..all the Trump haters have decided to politicize what should be a medical issue.
It’s Trump who has politicized it and not let scientists do their jobs.
RipMurdock (d2a2a8) — 7/28/2020 @ 4:12 pmYes the drunk russian assured chris ateele that was true.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/28/2020 @ 4:13 pmThat would be ignorance.
That makes sense. Why spread ignorance?
BuDuh (ca3468) — 7/28/2020 @ 4:16 pmbuduh: https://youtu.be/zsM0r0J7iYU?t=72
Dustin (4237e0) — 7/28/2020 @ 4:17 pmRemember, JoeyBee- once you go black; you’ll never come back.
… and The Silent Majority smiled.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/28/2020 @ 4:17 pmYou know, if this jumbo Mambo really believes in that voodoo hoodoo, testing for hydroxychloroquine is not the real reason she wants the pee-pee. She wants it to activate the voodoo dolls of Fauci and the others she mentions so she can turn them into zombies under her control.
nk (1d9030) — 7/28/2020 @ 4:20 pmTrump merely asked a question, and immediately accepted the answer.
In Bolivia, on the other hand…
https://www.businessinsider.com/bolivian-senate-approves-toxic-bleach-as-covid-19-treatment-2020-7
https://www.wionews.com/videos/bolivian-senate-approves-toxic-bleach-as-covid-19-treatment-315199
Now, it’s not really so toxic, although it;s not exactly safe for human consumption.
Sammy Finkelman (fe6a9b) — 7/28/2020 @ 4:23 pmHe mused about shooting up with formula 409 and cramming blacklights wherever he may imagine. I don’t recall him saying ‘do not do that’.
It’s probably better than 50% odds this is right.
Dustin (4237e0) — 7/28/2020 @ 4:27 pmOK, here’s an example of what I’m talking about. Trump is to medical advice what this woman is to legal advice.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 7/28/2020 @ 4:30 pmWho will be the first to make their vote contingent on having their name printed on the checks?
Dave (1bb933) — 7/28/2020 @ 4:31 pmA shoot-on-sight order for anyone caught out in public without a mask is long overdue.
If the police are too squeamish, let patriotic citizen-exterminators enforce it themselves.
So, there’s a black guy without a mask. I double dare you.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/28/2020 @ 4:54 pmRemember when we thought it was a big deal that Bush was surprised by supermarket scanners?
Good times.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/28/2020 @ 4:55 pmBake sale?
nk (1d9030) — 7/28/2020 @ 5:05 pmThat was on the wrong thread.
But here’s a thought experiment for this thread: What if all the mainstream media — newspapers, weekly magazines, television, and radio — agreed to a week-long Trump Blackout? No matter what he did, no matter what he said, if he nuked Denmark or signed an executive that underwear must be changed three times a day and worn on the outside — there would be no mention of him whatsoever. Would he survive it? Just one week.
nk (1d9030) — 7/28/2020 @ 5:20 pmThree billion human lives ended on August 29, 2020. The survivors of the nuclear fire called the war Trump Gonna Get His Attention Day. They lived only to face a new nightmare: reptilians from the demon realm snatching their urine.
Dustin (4237e0) — 7/28/2020 @ 5:26 pm@105
The virus mortality rate for minorities is about five times that of whites, so draconian enforcement of mask laws will undoubtedly save black and brown lives.
Also, if the government pays appropriately generous bounties, I think people would understand that racial animus is not the motivating factor, and it will double as a stimulus program too.
Dave (1bb933) — 7/28/2020 @ 5:28 pmbut then what would we talk about here on pattericos pontifications mr nk
im not sure youve thought this all the way through
Dave (1bb933) — 7/28/2020 @ 5:33 pmI’ve updated the post with comments by President Trump re Dr. Immanuel at today’s presser.
Dana (25e0dc) — 7/28/2020 @ 5:41 pmbut then what would we talk about here on pattericos pontifications mr nk
Women and baseball.
nk (1d9030) — 7/28/2020 @ 5:48 pmPepcid as a virus remedy? Trump admin’s $21M gamble fizzled
A nearly $21 million government-funded study to see if a popular, over-the-counter heartburn medication could be a COVID-19 remedy has fizzled amid allegations of conflicts of interest and scientific misconduct, according to interviews, a whistleblower complaint and internal government records obtained by The Associated Press.
In mid-April, the Trump administration funded a study of famotidine, the main ingredient in Pepcid, despite a lack of published data or studies to suggest heavy doses would be effective against the novel coronavirus. When government scientists learned of the hastily produced proposal to spend millions in federal funding on the research, they considered it laughable.
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The Pepcid project underscores what critics describe as the Trump administration’s casual disregard for science and anti-corruption rules — regulations meant to guard against taxpayer dollars going to political cronies or funding projects that aren’t based on more rigorous science.
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The government had very little data on which to base a funding decision about Pepcid and COVID-19, critics say; there was no high-grade research on famotidine’s coronavirus-fighting potential to underpin a clinical trial involving hundreds of patients.
“The evidence used to support the trial is extremely weak,” said Dr. Steven Nissen, a Cleveland Clinic cardiologist and a frequent adviser to the Food and Drug Administration. “And I’ve been very critical of this approach to the COVID-19 epidemic, which I’ve likened to throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing what sticks. I consider trials like this one to be largely a waste of time and money.”
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Experts who conduct clinical trials said this Pepcid study would not have been funded under ordinary, non-pandemic circumstances
“We don’t have enough small studies to show that this is a drug worth pursuing,” said Dr. George Abraham, chair of the American Board of Internal Medicine’s infectious disease group.
RipMurdock (d2a2a8) — 7/28/2020 @ 5:58 pm…….
I watched a video of interviews with over a dozen people in other countries that have the coronavirus relatively contained and have able to reopen their economies. I believe it was produced by NY Times video news, but can’t find the link.
It wasn’t a video teleconference, because the interviewees didn’t converse with each other. So, it was probably recorded on an individual basis, then edited together.
They were shown clips of comments made by Trump, news stories about the number of infections, hospitalizations and deaths in the US, and asked to respond. They were all dumbfounded and in disbelief.
Comments included, quoting from memory, some of the following.
That’s ridiculous!
I can’t believe this is happening in the most powerful country in the world.
Mass graves in America?
Oh, those poor people.
Most didn’t specifically identify which country they were in, but they were all aghast, saying nothing like that is happening here.
I should have copied and saved the link, but that was before Dana put up this thread. It was interesting viewing, because it showed how other parts of the world are looking at the US now, more with pity than respect.
That’s Trump’s America, in serious decline, not just at home but on the global stage as well.
Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1) — 7/28/2020 @ 5:59 pmCan you link me to the observational study or clinical trial that supports that? I’ve posted several links to studies that did not find it to be effective. If it is I’d like to understand that.
Time123 (441f53) — 7/28/2020 @ 6:04 pmGawain’s Ghost at 115. One of the first things the corrupt criminal murderous treasonous traitor did was cut off America’s ties with the World Health Organization so that we would not get useful information about the steps other countries were taking to protect their people.
This is a serious question: If Trump was a foreign agent, intent on destroying America, what would he be doing differently?
nk (1d9030) — 7/28/2020 @ 6:17 pmI’ve updated the post with an unbelievable tweet from Jake Tapper:
Dana (25e0dc) — 7/28/2020 @ 6:25 pmIt really is obscene. We are 4% of the world’s population and we have nearly 25% of the world’s total coronavirus cases and deaths, I repeat “and deaths”, and the orange product of digestion dredged from the bottom of a New York sewer tells us it’s because we test more.
nk (1d9030) — 7/28/2020 @ 6:29 pmTime, a highly respected and extremely well versed epidemiologist wrote this opinion piece that covers most of what I think you are curious about:
https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeating-covid-19-already-exists-we-need-start-using-it-opinion-1519535
Although he doesn’t provide a hyperlink to the studies he does give specific language on how to search for them. It is eye opening to say the least.
BuDuh (f2fd8c) — 7/28/2020 @ 6:29 pmI was referring to that in my comment 100 above, Dana:
nk (1d9030) — 7/28/2020 @ 6:31 pmDana, that is exactly what the crazy lady asked for. Tapper’s not exaggerating, the lady’s a wackadoo.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 7/28/2020 @ 6:42 pm@120. Thank you for the link. I’ll check it out.
Time123 (9f42ee) — 7/28/2020 @ 6:56 pm25% of American doctors are foreign medical school graduates, and the licensing process is a lot easier for those who are already American citizens. She is labeled a pediatrician, but I wonder if she is board certified, or even board eligible. There is no doubt that she is certifiable.
nk (1d9030) — 7/28/2020 @ 7:13 pmChester Himes* had a Coffin Ed and Gravedigger Jones story about a semi-doctor like her in Harlem who peddled monkey extract as a youth elixir. And let’s not forget Kermit Gosnell in real life.
*Yeah, I know I keep mentioning him. He’s worth mentioning.
nk (1d9030) — 7/28/2020 @ 7:16 pmWell, Risch definitely wrote an opinion piece last week, it was originally publish on May 27th, pulling from the literature from March, and the complete BS from the French flimflam man Raoult.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 7/28/2020 @ 7:27 pmWho are you going to believe, Mr. Colonel? Mr. President Donald Trump, who has a niece whose book sold 950,000 copies on the first day, or a bunch of “experts”?
nk (1d9030) — 7/28/2020 @ 7:40 pmDoctor dimwit went to the University of Calabar School of Medicine in Nigeria. It is one the best Universities on all of the streets that it’s on, never worse than second, maybe third.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 7/28/2020 @ 7:40 pmI wonder if any of those “studies” would have even been given a second look if not for Trump’s touting of hydroxychloroquine in the first place.
nk (1d9030) — 7/28/2020 @ 7:41 pm‘Nobody Likes Me,’ Trump Complains, Renewing Defense of Dubious Science
President Trump devolved into self-pity during a White House coronavirus briefing on Tuesday, lamenting that his approval ratings were lower than those of two top government medical experts.
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Noting that Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the government’s top infectious disease expert, and Dr. Deborah L. Birx, his administration’s top coronavirus coordinator, have high approval ratings even as his own have sagged, Mr. Trump added, “And yet, they’re highly thought of — but nobody likes me.”
“It can only be my personality,” he concluded.
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Mr. Trump declared “large portions of our country” to be “corona-free,” even though no region in the United States is actually free of the virus. While he noted concern over high case levels in California, Arizona, Texas and Florida, he said: “That’s starting to head down in the right direction. And I think you’ll see it rapidly head down very soon.”
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The president…….insisted that he deserved more credit in relation to Dr. Fauci for his administration’s efforts to procure more ventilators and personal protective equipment and to enable more virus testing nationwide.
“He’s got this high approval rating, so why don’t I have a high approval rating with respect — and the administration — with respect to the virus?” Mr. Trump asked. “So it sort of is curious.”
Rip Murdock (361788) — 7/28/2020 @ 7:50 pm>>>>>>
I guess some regions have run out of Corona beer. Waaaah!
Conservative think tank leader says schools should reopen since most Texans dying from COVID-19 are elderly or Hispanic
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Before Monday, the state’s racial and ethnic breakdown of deaths had large gaps, with up to 18% of deaths last month recorded as “unknown.” A revised count of the data released Monday by the Department of State Health Services, however, shows that Hispanic Texans are overrepresented in the state’s updated fatality count.
Citing the revised data, (Vance Ginn, the chief economist for the Texas Public Policy Foundation) tweeted that the people most likely to perish from the deadly virus are people older than 50 and Hispanics, whose death rate increased from 24.8% on May 27 to 47.4% on July 27. Hispanics make up about 40% of the state’s population.
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“Why not #openschools, end universal mandates, target vulnerable & check those from #Mexico?” Ginn wrote in a since-deleted tweet. He juxtaposed his tweet with a GIF of Prince Harry of Wales miming a mic drop.
He later apologized for tweeting the GIF. “It’s been brought to my attention that the gif may have been perceived as insensitive. I apologize as that was not my intention,” he tweeted.
Rip Murdock (361788) — 7/28/2020 @ 8:05 pm……..
Ginn later removed the tweet and apologized. “I believe strongly based on my deep faith that every life is precious,” he wrote. “My intent was to highlight the positive development of more data available to make better policy decisions and help the vulnerable.”
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Yes working in that hellhole that the clintons and the march rich gang turned nigeria into, its more important a sheepskin from imperial college lets say.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/28/2020 @ 8:08 pmYes you can feed then to the slaughterhouse like cuomo did and get 82% ratings. Let it infect everycorner of the country
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/28/2020 @ 8:10 pmMy impressions:
1. The colloquy with the reporter was not that interesting to me because there is still so much we don’t know about diagnosing and treating Covid, including whether Hydroxychloroquine works. It would be nice to know for sure but we simply don’t.
2. In May, Trump said he took Hydroxychloroquine for 14 days “as a preventative” but since then I have not seen any medical claim that it prevents Covid. The medical supporters of Hydroxyvchloroquine say that it works as a treatment if given early in the disease.
3. Today Trump said regarding Hydroxychloroquine:
He said it works in the early stages of Covid and he took it. Did he have Covid?
DRJ (aede82) — 7/28/2020 @ 9:00 pmHCQ has no medical usefulness in treating Covid, none, zero, zilch, nada. Drink a Dr. Pepper same efficacy, but it doesn’t have the potential side effects either.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 7/28/2020 @ 9:13 pmUnfortunately, I think if he was asked, and he didn’t have it, he would lie about it to reinforce his belief in hydroxychloroquine. In the meantime, I’m going to say no, he didn’t have it because he simply would not be able to keep quiet about it and would boast continually about taking down Covid while badgerIng us with an endless “I told you so” re hydroxychloroquine. He wouldn’t be able to help himself.
Dana (25e0dc) — 7/28/2020 @ 9:14 pmThe risks are real, but I believe there are some situations where a doctor (not the crazy kind) can give it a shot. For example, you’re 90 and you know you’ve come into contact with someone who is positive. If you have it, it is early. Your doc might take a risk there with HCQ. I would be OK with that sort of thing.
He wouldn’t tell us if he was sick (and honestly, with the unrest and global problems, perhaps that would be a good decision). He looked particularly unhealthy at Tulsa. It would explain his certainty in the medication’s value. But maybe Trump just says things we can’t read too carefully.
Dustin (4237e0) — 7/28/2020 @ 9:17 pmDustin,
Do you really think he could keep quiet about it, and not turn it into a major feat of strength boast like no one else has beaten Covid before?
Dana (25e0dc) — 7/28/2020 @ 9:21 pmMinneapolis Police Identify Viral ‘Umbrella Man’ As White Supremacist
Colonel Klink (ret) (305827) — 7/28/2020 @ 9:24 pmThere is one uncompleted study using Hydroxychloroquine as a preventative rather than a treatment:
DRJ (aede82) — 7/28/2020 @ 9:31 pm…. hmmmm
You make a point in our weird culture. The bigliest pandemic victory.
I’ll tell you one thing though, if Putin, Xi, Kim and the like get it, they would hide it. Trump doesn’t take all cues from them but he wishes he could.
Dustin (4237e0) — 7/28/2020 @ 9:34 pmHere is the website for the prophylaxis study called COPCOV.
DRJ (aede82) — 7/28/2020 @ 9:41 pm150,000 dead and this turd stands up at a press conference to whimper that people are mean to him.
Dave (1bb933) — 7/28/2020 @ 9:43 pmDustin,
Unfortunately, that’s the standard of measure in Trump’s world.
Dana (25e0dc) — 7/28/2020 @ 9:47 pmDave,
Nothing will thwart the President from making everything about him. No empathy toward those suffering with the disease, or the families that have lost loved ones to it, just a self-absorbed, self-focused whine of hurt. Absolutely no self-awareness or introspection. Covid has certainly wrecked things for him.
Dana (25e0dc) — 7/28/2020 @ 9:52 pmOn further thought, even though he says many strange and wrong things, I don’t think Trump would lie about having Covid. I will take him at his word that he took Hydroxychloroquine as a preventative but I think there is more we don’t know, such as the likelihood he was exposed to someone who had Covid and that is why he took the drug.
DRJ (aede82) — 7/28/2020 @ 10:06 pmDRJ thank you for the links. I wish my joking around about Trump wasn’t getting in the way of them. A 40,000 person study like your second link describes would definitely answer questions.
Dustin (4237e0) — 7/28/2020 @ 10:07 pmIt helps that the study is randomized and involves limited drugs, unlike the Henry Ford results. It is hard to control all the variables which is why it can takes years or decades to really know what works.
PS – we need jokes.
DRJ (aede82) — 7/28/2020 @ 10:15 pmEmbarassing.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/28/2020 @ 10:51 pmAs I mentioned upthread, Time, the guy at Respectful Insolence shredded Dr. Risch’s Newsweek piece. It was a shoddy, sloppy piece of work, and BuDuh is passing off schlock as if it were something legitimate.
Paul Montagu (dead92) — 7/28/2020 @ 10:52 pmThis is a serious question: If Trump was a foreign agent, intent on destroying America, what would he be doing differently?
Ordering take out borscht from the Russian Tea Room; not Big Macs w/Diet Coke chasers from MickeyDees.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/28/2020 @ 11:59 pmPS – we need jokes.
Biden 2020. =mike-drop= 😉
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/29/2020 @ 12:00 amPS – we need jokes.
Judge: Mr. Trump, I am going to give your wife $10,000 a month in alimony and another $10,000 a month in child support for your daughter.
Trump: That’s very nice of you, Your Honor. And I’ll try to give them a few bucks myself.
nk (1d9030) — 7/29/2020 @ 4:57 amPutin panty snifffers at large:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/28/us/politics/russia-disinformation-coronavirus.html
https://www.snopes.com/ap/2020/07/28/russia-spreading-disinformation/
nk (1d9030) — 7/29/2020 @ 5:27 amThe times has been spreading disinformation since 1919, duranty matthews salisbury et al.
So take a chance on an unvetted vaccine and a 3,000 pill with a chinese patent or a medication that has been use for 80 years
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/29/2020 @ 5:34 amIf you think they will report the results of this vaccine honestly you havent been paying attention.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/29/2020 @ 5:52 amBudah, I had a chance to read the Newsweek pc. Thank you for pointing it out. It’s interesting, but the data behind it is from early observational studies. Since then clinical trials have been run and the results have been contrary to what the obersvational studies suggested. Not saying it doesn’t work, but the evidence so far doesn’t support that it would work.
Time123 (457a1d) — 7/29/2020 @ 5:57 amAgain, I don’t understand Trump (and his supporters) passionate attachment to this one treatment working.
Time123 (457a1d) — 7/29/2020 @ 5:58 amI do think there’s a case to be made that the lady in the re-tweet was mostly looking for attention to get her name out there for other reasons.
Time123 (457a1d) — 7/29/2020 @ 5:59 amGypsy.
nk (1d9030) — 7/29/2020 @ 6:06 amAs for the locusts
https://mobile.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1288203827628277761?fbclid=IwAR03HU9x5ajsUiDiUJeevrMEuvQbT07MiexSsBW_X7EfU8Q1g-Pcxl2FG50
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/29/2020 @ 6:45 amSpeaking of panty-sniffing:
Trump says he didn’t bring up bounties against US troops in recent call with Putin
With his polls cratering, he needs the Russian vote in November more than ever…
Dave (1bb933) — 7/29/2020 @ 7:00 amPaul’s typical rudeness is only overshadowed by his laziness when he is more emotional than thorough when is comes to a topic where he thinks being nasty will win the debate. The Super Shredder he links takes note that Dr. Risch has published a follow up letter that included 7 more studies, but in his condescending(why Paul must be in love with him) blog post, he fails to address those studies directly. Quite the incomplete link, Paul.
I have not made many friends here, this is known. But I do notice that for my brief visits both Dustin and Klink did not go off the deep end getting all worked up and personal against me. Dustin responded very humorously and Klink laid out a specific quote from the same link as yours so it could be digested and possibly debated.
Your hysterical comment is nothing but digital heckling as an effort to prevent Time, and others, from independently researching the studies mentioned in the “schlock” article I posted. I have nothing more to say to you, Paul. You repeat this pattern every time. Maybe one day you will do some research before you go off the rails with carpet bomb style useless comments, but I won’t hold my breath.
I’ll check in in a month.
BuDuh (ecbc3f) — 7/29/2020 @ 7:02 amOh
https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/mccloskey-police-report-allegedly-contained-notes-confirming-claims-armed
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/29/2020 @ 7:16 amI actually think the passion is a counter to how his detractors isolated this treatment and vilified so early in the pandemic. Even Paul’s Super Shredder notes how the studies that declared hydroxychloroquine would cause widespread heart failure were complete BS. The news spent over a month spewing this obviously false premise. Hydroxychloroquine was a known commodity and its side effects had been documented. When the study that declared it unsafe was pulled because the author refused to share any data, the news did not retract or clarify anything to the the same extent they condemned the drug.
There may be nothing useful at all about Hydroxychloroquine, but as long as one side engages is a blitzing coverup, the other side is naturally curious. Right now the doctors who spoke in DC are going through the same process. No one is discussing their data. Instead, after a wholesale internet cleansing of their press conference, everyone has set their sights on Voodoo Child because she is an easy target. She does seem nutty. But this is done so as to avoid anything any other doctor said at that event. The media is using a guilt by association tactic which isn’t their job. I think as long as the debate continues in Saul Alinski format, people who recognize the bad faith will be curious if this really is a cover up or not.
Take care, Time.
BuDuh (ecbc3f) — 7/29/2020 @ 7:17 amAnother sloppy kiss for Vladimir:
US to withdraw nearly 12,000 troops from Germany in move that will cost billions and take years
Dave (1bb933) — 7/29/2020 @ 7:18 amMy 7:02 (which no one can see) is the first comment I have ever posted that is awaiting moderation. There are no curse words or weird links. I wonder what triggered it?
BuDuh (ecbc3f) — 7/29/2020 @ 7:20 amBudah, I agree that the press went after the risks of Chloroquine far out of proportion to it’s actual risks. But I haven’t seen that the doctors from the other day presented any data to interact with. The Kooky lady made some very strong claims; she treated 300 patients with a 1005 recovery rate, many of them had major risk factors etc. I didn’t see where she offered any evidence.
Time123 (306531) — 7/29/2020 @ 7:24 amWhy not focus on a real problem
https://www.google.com/amp/s/justthenews.com/government/security/reports-about-russian-bounties-part-based-part-old-reports-intelligence-sources%3famp
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/29/2020 @ 7:29 amIt is a good point about her offering evidence, Time, and my personal thought is that she has oversold her actual head count for treatment. I read that the founder of the group met with Pence to detail their evidence so hopefully they will release whatever data they have and release it soon. The media, without data, discounting all of their first-person accounts is what I find to be troublesome.
BuDuh (ecbc3f) — 7/29/2020 @ 7:29 amThe 7:02 is out of moderation. Thank you.
Off to work.
BuDuh (ecbc3f) — 7/29/2020 @ 7:31 amGag me with a spoon! The Mambo is the “Texas doctor” who has been being quoted all along? Gaaah!
nk (1d9030) — 7/29/2020 @ 7:35 amNo i dont think so
https://mobile.twitter.com/drsimonegold
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/29/2020 @ 7:43 amThat one’s in LA.
nk (1d9030) — 7/29/2020 @ 7:55 amThe more I read about her, the more dubious I become of her unsubstantiated claims. It may have been a reasonable group that has data on the efficacy of HC and a charismatic kook/grifter got the mic and turned it into a circus side show.
That’s why I’m looking for clinical studies. There’s plenty of anecdotes about HC and some very large claims based on that (eg. you don’t need a mask HC is a cure). At this point I think it’s about what can be inferred through observational studies and proven through clinical trials. Some have been run, but none of those have shown HC to be more effective then the control group.
The problem I have with overselling a treatment is that other things we can do to try to prevent CV19 have huge costs. It seems to me that many of the people really pushing HC as a cure want that to be the sole answer so those very real and large costs can be avoided.
Time123 (306531) — 7/29/2020 @ 8:00 amMore jokes… less frothing at teh mouth.
Colonel Haiku (6c33c4) — 7/29/2020 @ 8:07 am“Heard joke once: Man goes to doctor. Says he’s depressed. Says life seems harsh and cruel. Says he feels all alone in a threatening world where what lies ahead is vague and uncertain. Doctor says, “Treatment is simple. Great clown Pagliacci is in town tonight. Go and see him. That should pick you up.” Man bursts into tears. Says, “But doctor…I am Pagliacci.”
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/29/2020 @ 8:11 amUm, I didn’t get personal with you, BuDuh, I said you linked to schlock. There’s no reason for the thin-skinnedness of your comment.
Paul Montagu (dead92) — 7/29/2020 @ 8:12 amOne of those seven additional studies Risch mentioned was by Zelenko, the guy who previously produced a sketchy–dare I say schlocky–spreadsheet from his observational “study”. It inspires no confidence in the other six studies Risch referenced. And if you want to talk about “hysterical”, then Zelenko’s assertion that there would be a million extra deaths without the widespread consumption of HCQ certainly fits that bill.
177… good one, narciso!
Da Bearz… da Bullz… Ditka… da Bozoz…
https://www.foxnews.com/us/chicago-man-joker-mask-neck-tattoo-police-car-ablaze-george-floyd-riot
Colonel Haiku (6c33c4) — 7/29/2020 @ 8:15 amBuDah,
Time123 (69b2fc) — 7/29/2020 @ 8:16 amI don’t know how often we agree (and I think this is a time we do not) but I’ve always enjoyed talking to you and appreciate your input.
This is a good goal. I think you’ll be happier if you pursue it. Best of luck.
😀
Time123 (69b2fc) — 7/29/2020 @ 8:17 amDon’t trust Chicago… Chicago is asshole…
Colonel Haiku (6c33c4) — 7/29/2020 @ 8:17 amIts from watchman, rorschachs monologue
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/29/2020 @ 8:18 am166. Another sloppy kiss for Vladimir: US to withdraw nearly 12,000 troops from Germany in move that will cost billions and take years.
Mein Gott! It’s enough to give a give der Fatherland– gas.
Oh. Wait.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/29/2020 @ 8:21 amOrange Junior retweeted it first, right? What a genius family!
On the bright side, I learned how to spell Veselnitskaya by heart.
nk (1d9030) — 7/29/2020 @ 8:32 amSo, should they give me that word on my cognitive assessment ….
nk (1d9030) — 7/29/2020 @ 8:34 amShe probably had a cocktail with drunk russuan guy who previously worked for a turkish think tank and laughed.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/29/2020 @ 8:43 amTeh Unvarnished Truth… http://ace.mu.nu/archives/ultimatum%2020200729.jpg
Colonel Haiku (6c33c4) — 7/29/2020 @ 9:13 amBurn
Colonel Haiku (6c33c4) — 7/29/2020 @ 9:18 amIt
Down
Everywhere
Now!
Twisted
nk (1d9030) — 7/29/2020 @ 9:32 amRacist
Unqualified
Malicious
Pervert!
Release teh gerbils.
What a posse of Clowns…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dHRIFKVlKs
Colonel Haiku (6c33c4) — 7/29/2020 @ 9:35 amIn for a penny on Gorski’s analysis of HCQ…
Hydroxychloroquine: The Black Knight of treatments for COVID-19
The America’s Frontline Doctors website has been shuttered.
Paul Montagu (dead92) — 7/29/2020 @ 10:25 amhttps://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1288138933398904833
Rep. Jordan uses his time wisely to show exactly what these violent leftists are actually doing to our streets and cities. Effective use of time unlike the grandstanding “reclaiming my time” group.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/29/2020 @ 10:29 amHearings have become nothing more than a way to rally the base and create a nice clip that can be included in adds and you tube videos.
Plenty of good questions to ask Barr (from many POV) and a very poor job of asking them and following up.
They really need to make these things longer. Leave enough time for the critters to get their highlight reel and then turn the time over to a single competent questioner that focuses on real oversight and transparency.
Also, in my perfect world I’d like 2 honest and highly intelligent presidential candidates, congresspersons with meaningful private sector accomplishments, and a unicorn.
Time123 (69b2fc) — 7/29/2020 @ 11:23 amI’d say the unicorn is your best bet.
Dave (1bb933) — 7/29/2020 @ 11:38 amWhen it comes to science hardly anyone on this blog can distinguish truth from falsehood. No different than Trump.
1DaveMac (16cd0f) — 7/29/2020 @ 11:40 amLouie Gohmert tests positive for COVID-19
Defiant.
And dumb.
‘Nuff said.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/29/2020 @ 11:47 amReading what some ignorant reporter said about a scientific study is not enough. You have to read the study results and gauge what the limitations of the study are.
1DaveMac (16cd0f) — 7/29/2020 @ 11:51 am@198, no kidding? You mean like the studies I linked to from the NEJM on another thread?
Time123 (306531) — 7/29/2020 @ 12:00 pm1DaveMac (16cd0f) — 7/29/2020 @ 11:40 am
The problem is the CDC and the WHO and the FDA claim nobody can.
They don’t even claim that they can do it themselves.
They admit they can be wrong.
But they don’t want any truth to be accepted until they say so. And they have tough standards for changing the “truth.”
That is not the route toward fast progress, nor the way we handle most disagreements.
Sammy Finkelman (fe6a9b) — 7/29/2020 @ 12:36 pmBut they were rigged. And one big one was a hoax. The New York Times seems to think the hoaxster acted independently.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/27/science/coronavirus-retracted-studies-data.html
He was responsible for one hoax study that claimed hydroxychloroquine caused increased deaths, published in Lancet, and another study, published in the New England Journal of Medicine, that claimed that blood pressure medications not harmful, but useful in Covid patients.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32356626
Maybe he wasn’t part of a big conspiracy, I don’t know, but just sensed which way the wind was blowing.
He took away hydroxychloroquine and gave doctors ACE inhibitors and ARBs as a treatment. I don;t know what the truth is about these two things – I didn’t follow it.
By the way, Rush Limbaugh mentioned a study today that said that hydroxychloroquine is useful even – Limbaugh doesn’t realize it is even for hospitalized patients (which might make sense, but it is far from a “cure”)
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/07/02/michigan-henry-ford-health-study-finds-hydroxychloroquine-lowers-covid-19-death-rate/5365090002
And we musn’t forget the Newsweek article (Newsweek caters to Democrats more or less, and tends to publish things before other major publications)
Sammy Finkelman (fe6a9b) — 7/29/2020 @ 12:59 pm201. All this doesn’t mean that that the Nigerian born doctor, who was featured in the the video with the Supreme Court building in the background (!) that Breitbart publicized, is not a liar.
Breitbart, by the way, is being almost cancelled by Google so that it won’t turn up in searches unless the word Breitbart is included – not that the Breitbart site is honest, as Patterico knows.
The New York Times reporter seemed to think she;s lying about seeing patients, but couldn’t prove it – but there is still a question – how come we don;t know where she allegedly treated patients?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/28/technology/virus-video-trump.html
Where and when dud she treat hundreds of patients?
Sammy Finkelman (fe6a9b) — 7/29/2020 @ 4:21 pm