Jeepers, Joe!
[guest post by Dana]
Along with his recent foot-in-mouth racial pandering, Joe Biden just keeps on stepping in it. This time it was Asians caught in his racist projection as he attempted to say that he didn’t believe that Trump should try to hold China responsible for the coronavirus:
The average American doesn’t distinguish between Chinese people and other Asians, Joe Biden claimed, in an attempt to criticize President Trump for blaming China for the coronavirus outbreak.
“Look what he’s doing now. He’s blaming everything on China. He’s blaming everything on the Chinese,” the former vice president said during a virtual campaign event Wednesday with the Service Employees International Union.
“People don’t make a distinction, as you well know, from a South Korean and someone from Beijing,” he added. “They make no distinction, it’s Asian. And he’s using it as a wedge.”
Biden says Trump is wrong to hold China accountable for coronavirus because Americans can’t distinguish “between a South Korean and someone from Beijing.”
The patronizing view of voters aside, not sure what that has to do with the CCP, or anything. pic.twitter.com/hWUbIRK910
— Vince Coglianese (@VinceCoglianese) July 22, 2020
Clearly, Joe Biden has a very low opinion of Americans, including Democrats and Republicans. He projects his own racism by stereotyping a group of people with a flippant they all look alike insult. And while I believe that in some way, Biden was also trying to tie this in with Trump’s asinine use of the inflammatory “Wuhan flu,” his insult was loud and clear. I’m long over giving any politician the benefit of the doubt-especially those who want to become the next President of the United States. He doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt because we’ve already seen too much of this from him. (I’m not going to blather on about Trump and his “Wuhan flu” bullshit. This post is about Biden.)
Meanwhile, following Biden’s inaccurate claim and racial pandering that Trump was America’s “first” racist president, radio host Charlamagne tha God has had enough. (If you recall, Biden was on-air with CTG when he made his now-infamous, cringe-worthy “if you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black,” comment. He later offered a weaselly non-apology as he ultimately blamed CTG for baiting him.) Now the radio host is slamming Biden for claiming that Trump is the first racist president, and suggesting that maybe Biden should just shut his mouth:
“I really wish Joe Biden would shut the eff up forever and continue to act like he’s starring in the movie ‘A Quiet Place’ because as soon as he opens his mouth and makes noise, he gets us all killed, OK?” the radio host said. “There’s already so many people who are reluctantly only voting for Joe Biden because he’s the only option and because Donald J. Trump is that trash.”
Charlamagne…suggested Biden’s latest remarks will further contribute to the “lack of enthusiasm.”
“Old white male leadership has failed America and there is nothing worse than an old white male [who] can’t recognize the faults and flaws of other old white males,” Charlamagne told listeners. “Racism is the American way. Donald Trump is not the first. And sadly, he won’t be the last, right? He’s just more overt with his racism than most presidents in recent times.”
The “Breakfast Club” co-host accused Biden of “revisionist history,” calling his claim about Trump “a lie” that “relinquishes America of all responsibility of its bigotry.”
“How are we ever going to atone for America’s original sins if we don’t acknowledge them?” Charlamagne asked in reaction to Biden’s remarks. “How the hell can Donald Trump be the first racist president in a country where 12 presidents before him owned slaves?”
Finally, CTG addressed Biden directly:
“Joe, you got to hurry up and announce your Black woman VP [vice president] so I can be enthused about voting for her because I will never be enthused about voting for you, and you know America is a terrible place when Kanye West seems like a viable option,”
Neither of these half-lit, rich old white dimwits deserves to become our next president. God, we are just so screwed.
–Dana
Hello.
Dana (25e0dc) — 7/24/2020 @ 2:58 pmNot every Chinese is Han, either, Joe. What is true is that American TV and movie producers can’t tell the difference either. Example: casting Koreans in Japanese roles (Hawaii Five-0).
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/24/2020 @ 3:21 pmI guess Biden is trying to say that Trump’s racist rhetoric puts all Asians in danger of hate crimes.
Inartfully expressed, as usual, but he’s right.
Koreans and Chinese don’t just look alike, they ARE alike, aren’t they? Like people of Scottish and English descent.
Dave (1bb933) — 7/24/2020 @ 3:21 pmIt is amazing that I dislike Trump so much, but if I watch Biden, I wind up having some doubts about my vote.
Right now the nation is so bitter, so divided, and to play the race card at Biden’s level is selfish. Maybe French is right and I shouldn’t vote for the lesser of two evils.
Dustin (4237e0) — 7/24/2020 @ 3:23 pmBut it’s not Trump’s rhetoric. It’s Biden. He’s the guy associating people with the (super evil!) chinese government on the basis of race. Like to him, the problem would be I accidentally think someone is Chinese when they aren’t, when in reality, it doesn’t matter that they are Chinese.
Dustin (4237e0) — 7/24/2020 @ 3:25 pmI’m feeling better and better about not voting for either one. It’ll be writing in a conservative but it won’t be Kasich because the Republican is endorsing Biden and speaking at his convention.
Paul Montagu (0a7316) — 7/24/2020 @ 3:29 pmTrump superfans can’t really get on Biden about his racist comments because they’re defending a well documented racist in Trump, which makes them hypocrites. It’s all just more evidence that both major political parties are broken and dysfunctional, giving us citizens that dreck to choose from.
Did I miss Biden’s condemnation of the Chinese government and the ongoing genocide of the Uighers??
Dana (281bab) — 7/24/2020 @ 3:31 pmWhat is inflammatory about using the term ” Wuhan Flu” Dana? It is geographically correct and what the media called it before they got their orders from communist China.
NJRob (2b2184) — 7/24/2020 @ 3:34 pmCompare with Mr. Cognitive’s response:
“Not a lot of people dispute it”… LOL
Dave (1bb933) — 7/24/2020 @ 3:36 pmMaybe French is right and I shouldn’t vote for the lesser of two evils.
Dustin (4237e0) — 7/24/2020 @ 3:23 pm
Actually, Dustin, it’s the evil of two lessers. 🙂
norcal (a5428a) — 7/24/2020 @ 3:58 pmWarren still holding out hope she’ll be the woman of color he chooses.
harkin (5af287) — 7/24/2020 @ 3:59 pm_
8… you’re goddam right.
Look at the tongue bath Dave gives Biden’s racism…
Colonel Haiku (5b7649) — 7/24/2020 @ 3:59 pmWarren still holding out hope she’ll be the woman of color he chooses.
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harkin (5af287) — 7/24/2020 @ 3:59 pm
Oh, now she’s black?
norcal (a5428a) — 7/24/2020 @ 4:02 pmIf they believed it was wrong. they wouldn’t have been racist. Thomas Jefferson thought the situation was that of despotism – equal to an absolute monarch. He had mixed thoughts and was willing to consider blacks equal. Let’s not forget they outlawed slavery in the Northwest Territories in 1787 (Ohio and points west and north)
In his first draft of the Declaration of Independence he wanted to blame Great Britain for introducing it. That didn’t fly.
aAndre Jackson, on the other hand, if he wasn’t a racist it would only be because he didn’t care about human life and human rights period. He killed people in duels.
Sammy Finkelman (db2a13) — 7/24/2020 @ 4:05 pm8. I personally prefer the term “Kung Flu.” It rolls off my American tongue quite effortlessly.
Gryph (08c844) — 7/24/2020 @ 4:05 pmKorea is the country that didn’t get absorbed into China by the first emperor.
Sammy Finkelman (db2a13) — 7/24/2020 @ 4:08 pmHes been shucking and jiving for forty years.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/24/2020 @ 4:10 pmIf Warren doesn’t get the call from Biden, maybe she can be Tucker Carlson’s running mate in 2024.
He said he liked her economic program better than Trump’s.
Dave (1bb933) — 7/24/2020 @ 4:11 pmEvil WomanEvil BidenHey, Dustin, you got the blues
Colonel Haiku (5b7649) — 7/24/2020 @ 4:14 pm‘Cause you ain’t got another excuse to use
There’s an epic desert between Joe’s ears
Don’t look at him to allay your fears
There’s a hole in Joe’s head where the rain comes in
Press loves some Joe but it’s Trump’s to win
Party of Donkeys, it’s a cryin’ shame
But you ain’t got nobody else to blame
Evil Biden
Evil Biden
Evil Biden
Evil Biden
Charlie Mange Tha Dog is the one who should shut up, and Biden pandering to that ilk is what will lose him my support.
nk (1d9030) — 7/24/2020 @ 4:15 pmWhat is inflammatory about using the term ” Wuhan Flu” Dana?
Yeah, I think Lou Gehrig and Lyme, Connecticut might wanna know that too.
beer ‘n pretzels (5b11f9) — 7/24/2020 @ 4:15 pmAnd yet he was vice president for two twrm, thats the punchline.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/24/2020 @ 4:21 pmHe [Joe Biden] projects his own racism by stereotyping a group of people with a flippant they all look alike insult.
W.C.Fields once quipped about an Ethiopian being in the fuel supply, too, eh JoeyBee?!
Surprise, Joe; Charlie Chan in the movies: Warner Oland-Swedish; Manuel Arbo-Spanish; Sidney Toler-American; Roland Winters-American; Ross Martin- Polish; Peter Ustinov- British.
But that Obama in the Oval, he could really tapdance, eh, Joe?!? Had a natural rhythm, right, JoeyBee?!
Is this your memory of a Cabinet meeting??:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEwh5hEPRpM
Idiot.
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This one is especially for you, Amtrak Boy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF6383U8xD0
“Toot-toot-Tootsie don’t cry…”
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/24/2020 @ 4:23 pmHeres the other joke
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2020/07/24/meet_steele_dossiers_primary_subsource_fabulist_russian_at_us_think_tank_whose_boozy_past_the_fbi_ignored_124601.html
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/24/2020 @ 4:24 pmMeanwhile…..
tsar becket adams
@BecketAdams
Washington Post settles Covington defamation lawsuit.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/washington-post-settles-covington-defamation-lawsuit?_amp=true
Judging by the way the media has portrayed/ignored Minneapolis/Seattle/Portland/DC etc., they’ve learned nothing.
harkin (5af287) — 7/24/2020 @ 4:24 pm_
You think the truth is their objective.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/24/2020 @ 4:28 pmBiden may have also meant “the Chinese Communist leadership” when he referred to “someone from Beijing”.
Also one of the women he was talking to had explained that she was South Korean just before he said that:
I dunno, it doesn’t sound much like George Wallace or Richard Spencer to me.
Dave (1bb933) — 7/24/2020 @ 4:32 pm@21. Reaganomics: why not offend two groups for the price of one song, too, like ‘My Old Kentucky Home’–
“It’s summer, the darkies are gay…’
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/24/2020 @ 4:33 pmBiden told home care provider Suk Kim, who migrated from South Korea 40 years ago.
Rather unfortunate name…
Colonel Haiku (5b7649) — 7/24/2020 @ 4:37 pmWell its a transliteration.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/24/2020 @ 4:38 pmDoes anyone on this board actually believe that if you put someone of 100% Korean descent next to a person of 100% Chinese descent that the average American could tell you which was which?
Nic (896fdf) — 7/24/2020 @ 4:40 pm31. Maybe not, but you’re not supposed to actually say it, Nic.
Gryph (08c844) — 7/24/2020 @ 4:43 pm31.Does anyone on this board actually believe that if you put someone of 100% Korean descent next to a person of 100% Chinese descent that the average American could tell you which was which?
Nobody on this board is running for CIC.
That Idiot Mick is.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/24/2020 @ 4:44 pmKorea is an ally, china is not, but his bafflegrab is irrelevant.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/24/2020 @ 4:45 pmWell said.
I think Kanye has a shot guys.
Dustin (4237e0) — 7/24/2020 @ 4:49 pmI think Kanye has a shot guys.
nk (1d9030) — 7/24/2020 @ 4:53 pmRisperidone?
By this time of the afternoon, he’s probably had four or five.
Dave (1bb933) — 7/24/2020 @ 4:56 pmDoes anyone on this board actually believe that if you put someone of 100% Korean descent next to a person of 100% Chinese descent that the average American could tell you which was which?
They do all look alike.
nk (1d9030) — 7/24/2020 @ 5:03 pmI can’t wait for Joe’s cognitive test attempt.
felipe (023cc9) — 7/24/2020 @ 5:12 pmIf Warren doesn’t get the call from Biden, maybe she can be Tucker Carlson’s running mate in 2024.
He said he liked her economic program better than Trump’s.
Dave (1bb933) — 7/24/2020 @ 4:11 pm
That’s the Bizarro world version of the Martha Stewart – Snoop Dogg mutual infatuation.
urbanleftbehind (fe2c6b) — 7/24/2020 @ 5:15 pmJuiceWRLD (ODed back at Midway Airport last December after swallowing his stash) was the practice round for Kanye.
urbanleftbehind (fe2c6b) — 7/24/2020 @ 5:18 pmMy next door neighbors were 100% Chinese and we know people who are 100% Korean, so in my neighborhood the answer would be Yes.
DRJ (aede82) — 7/24/2020 @ 5:19 pmWe also have a significant Vietnamese community.
DRJ (aede82) — 7/24/2020 @ 5:21 pmHank Hill on the subject.
nk (1d9030) — 7/24/2020 @ 5:25 pmI probably could, but it might be largely a function of height observation. I think nk sells himself short in that regard, considering his observations of Jewish/Greek/Korean nortseit signal wealth.
urbanleftbehind (fe2c6b) — 7/24/2020 @ 5:25 pmCan most people tell the difference between someone French and someone German? According to the left, they’re all just “white ” people (and that’s lowercase thanks to the newly racist media style chart.)
NJRob (4fd2eb) — 7/24/2020 @ 5:26 pmI was being sarcastic. Yes, I can mostly tell the difference between Asians, including Northern Chinese who are taller than their Cantonese brothers, Thais who are one of the best-looking ethnicities, and Filipinos with their Spanish eyes and Polynesians noses. I have had close, long-term, personal contact with all of them as friends, colleagues or clients. If I sometimes wonder, the chances are the person is from central America or central Europe.
nk (1d9030) — 7/24/2020 @ 5:39 pm“He projects his own racism by stereotyping a group of people with a flippant they all look alike insult. And while I believe that in some way, Biden was also trying to tie this in with Trump’s asinine use of the inflammatory “Wuhan flu,” his insult was loud and clear. ”
He’s not projecting
https://www.adl.org/blog/reports-of-anti-asian-assaults-harassment-and-hate-crimes-rise-as-coronavirus-spreads
Davethulhu (fab944) — 7/24/2020 @ 5:39 pmIt didnt come from korea it cane from the city with chinas lead virology institute, it was soread to iran to italy to the us threw washington atate and ny
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/24/2020 @ 5:50 pmSounds like some people here:
https://mobile.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1286824357113651200?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/24/2020 @ 5:57 pm@42 I would posit that that is not the average American experience.
Nic (896fdf) — 7/24/2020 @ 6:08 pm@48: Truth is a hate crime.
beer ‘n pretzels (7b79e1) — 7/24/2020 @ 6:09 pmNic (896fdf) — 7/24/2020 @ 6:08 pm
There’s nothing average about American exceptionalism.
felipe (023cc9) — 7/24/2020 @ 6:13 pmDavethulhu @ 48,
I appreciate your comment, and actually had two similar links set aside to add to the post with this as evidence of Asians being targeted but ran out of time. I think that Biden was racially pandering and simultaneously doing some racial projection. I’m past giving him the benefit of the doubt on racial matters because of his documented history, so I can’t even say that it was just a clumsy misstep. I think he was playing cynical politics. He knew that Asians have been targeted in an ugly way since the advent of Covid, and we know that he has issues with race. I feel cynical these days, but I don’t think I’m off the mark with who Biden is.
Dana (25e0dc) — 7/24/2020 @ 6:20 pm@53. That’s ’cause there nothing to it at all.
Ask a Roman. Or a Greek. Or an Egyptian… or a Briton… etc., etc.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/24/2020 @ 6:22 pm@54 We’re all exceptional in our own way*. 😛
*Not all areas of exceptionalism are guaranteed to be positive.
Nic (896fdf) — 7/24/2020 @ 6:22 pm“In Delaware, the largest growth of population is Indian Americans, moving from India. You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I’m not joking.” -JoeyBee 7-7-2006
He’s an idiot.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/24/2020 @ 6:26 pmI’m not a Kanye fan by any stretch, but I have sympathy for someone afflicted with bipolar disorder, and for the relatives who have to deal with it too.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 7/24/2020 @ 6:29 pmI also know that it’s possible for alcohol to stave off mania, and then a virtuous interval of tee-totaling leads up to a breakdown. I have no idea if that’s a common pattern, but I’ve seen clear anecdotal evidence.
58,
Yes.
Dana (25e0dc) — 7/24/2020 @ 6:31 pmNo one who lived in Delaware would be surprised.
I lived in New Castle County, same as the esteemed Mr Biden. NCCo is where then good people virtually destroyed the public school system due to a forced busing order, and Mr Biden was right there, resistingthe integration order, even though it didn’t affect his kids at all, since they went to tony Archmere Academy. At least when I lived there, June 2000 to June 2002, Delaware had the highest percentage of students in private schools, all due to NCCo. There were plenty of Protestant Christian academies, a Country Day school, a Montesorri school, and several Catholic parochial schools. The Catholic schools were full, and they had waiting lists.
I worked slightly south of downtown, and my ride home was through a completely non-white, lock your doors neighborhood, but just six miles away, in Hockessin, where I lived, if you saw a black person, you knew he worked there, ’cause he sure wasn’t allowed to live there. (There was a significant Asian, primarily Korean, population in Hockessin, and I lived next door to a Korean church.)
NCCo was the most segregated place I have ever seen, and that’s where Joe Biden grew up.
The Dana in Kentucky (229a56) — 7/24/2020 @ 6:37 pmDCSCA wrote:
He might be an idiot for saying it aloud while he was in public office, but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t true.
Of course, there’s an explanation for this. When I took over a concrete plant in Wilmington — I was recruited away from Virginia due to my technical expertise with lightweight concrete — the guys there were astonished that I had never eaten scrapple. Well, we had a job on a Saturday, so we all met for breakfast at this diner that was actually in the middle of a looping entrance ramp onto US 13, and, as they said I had to do, I tried scrapple. One bite, and I was convinced my prior description of it, floor sweepings from the slaughterhouse, was accurate. Thing is, the Delaware boys said they loved scrapple, but they all loaded it up with ketchup to change the taste.
If the distinguished Mr Biden has had a life long diet of scrapple, it’s no wonder he suffers from dementia, and has for a long time.
The Dana in Kentucky (229a56) — 7/24/2020 @ 6:44 pmThat seems unsanitary.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/24/2020 @ 6:47 pmWhat explains pelosi, bad fish from the fish market in alameda
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/24/2020 @ 6:50 pmYou know those investor green cards the Kushner family is peddling in China? They’re the reason so many 7-11s, Dunkin’ Donuts, gas stations, and independent mom-and-pops are near and far Asian-owned. It was $500,000 in “depressed” areas (of which Aspen, Colorado is one, BTW, seriously, it’s the other kind of joke) and the anchor green card could then bring all the family here through relative petitions.
nk (1d9030) — 7/24/2020 @ 6:56 pm…on top of spoiled crab and chef boyardee-level eyetalian fare from her Balmer upbringing
urbanleftbehind (fe2c6b) — 7/24/2020 @ 7:03 pmReally thats been happening for 20 years now,
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/24/2020 @ 7:03 pmit won’t be Kasich because the Republican is endorsing Biden and speaking at his convention.
Kasich was the shill that split the anti-Trump vote when in counted in 2016. Now he disavows the consequences. A gift that keeps on giving. At least this ends Kasich as a GOP candidate for anything, so that’s something. Although he always was a Democrat at heart.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/24/2020 @ 7:06 pmKasich is a non entity, did you hear his father was a mailman.
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/24/2020 @ 7:08 pmSorry to disagree, Kevin. More likely that Kasich knew then what the rest of us know now about Ted Cruz.
nk (1d9030) — 7/24/2020 @ 7:09 pmBad but still better than having a googly eyed love affair with Supreme Leader Kim.
JRH (52aed3) — 7/24/2020 @ 7:13 pmDCSCA (797bc0) — 7/24/2020 @ 6:22 pm
Quite right. Kingdoms, nations, and Empires are ephemeral on this planet.
felipe (023cc9) — 7/24/2020 @ 7:17 pmNic (896fdf) — 7/24/2020 @ 6:22 pm
I agree.
felipe (023cc9) — 7/24/2020 @ 7:18 pmKasich was classic Alex P. Keaton Republican, swung a budget cleaver like Newt back in the 90s. He got turnt at Lehman Brothers.
urbanleftbehind (fe2c6b) — 7/24/2020 @ 7:19 pmWarren still holding out hope she’ll be the woman of color he chooses.
Biden has a problem because the person he chooses will probably succeed him.
It can’t be Kamala Harris because 1) she’s really mean, and 2) she has so much hard-left baggage (e.g. an F from NRA) that many who hate Trump will vote for him anyway if she is on Biden’s ticket.
It can’t be a “Palin”, like the Atlanta mayor or several other no-name suggestions.
It could be Susan Rice, I guess. But I really think it will be Warren. Biden’s hold on the Left is tenuous, and Warren has somehow not become anathema to the center.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/24/2020 @ 7:20 pmKasich was a Souter. Indecisive, poll-driven wind vane. Could argue all sides of a question and decide on none of them.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/24/2020 @ 7:22 pmThe real question we should be asking is “Who will Trump’s running mate be?” He needs help.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/24/2020 @ 7:23 pmKevin M,
If Biden goes for Warren, he risks losing, not just the black vote, but the vote of Americans who are in full support of BLM and pushing for a racial reckoning. That includes a lot of white voters and Dems. Would they choose to sit this out as a result? Not just voters, but Congress too. And he needs their support to get anything done.
Dana (25e0dc) — 7/24/2020 @ 7:27 pmI dont think Joe B makes it past Labor Day…Warren gets the top slot and Jeh Johnson gets the VP (half assed nod to black requirement).
In many ways, dont be surprised if it’s different people for both parties by November:
http://news.yahoo.com/james-carville-still-thinks-trump-might-pull-out-of-race-rather-than-risk-a-landslide-defeat-232816359.html
urbanleftbehind (fe2c6b) — 7/24/2020 @ 7:28 pmI can’t wait for Joe’s cognitive test attempt.
Debates: This question is to both of you: “A train leaves Philadelphia at 50MPH. Boston is 200 miles away. How long does it take to get to Boston?”
Trump: 100MPH!
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/24/2020 @ 7:29 pmBiden: How long is the train?
If Biden goes for Warren, he risks losing, not just the black vote
There is no chance that Biden loses the black vote. He may have some hard-core BLM types vote for Working Families, but they might do that anyway. His danger is losing the center.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/24/2020 @ 7:31 pmTrump’s campaign chest will be the thermometer. As long as the big money and little money are with him, he’ll stay in.
nk (1d9030) — 7/24/2020 @ 7:34 pmThe dnc has the tides thousand currents pass through to carry them forward
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/24/2020 @ 7:36 pmBiden has never committed to a black woman as a running mate. He knows that the wrong choice will lose him the centrist voters in the same way that Palin scared them off in 2008. He is considering 4 black women (Harris, Non-Governor Abrams, Mayor Bottoms and Rep Val Demmings).
See a poll here: https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/86ijosd7cy/20200611_yahoo_race_police_covid_crosstabs.pdf (page 220)
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/24/2020 @ 7:37 pmTrump’s campaign chest will be the thermometer. As long as the big money and little money are with him, he’ll stay in.
If his poll numbers drop much lower, he will get a visit from Capitol Hill suggesting he drop out and suggesting that not doing so, and losing, would subject him to all kinds of legal difficulties and the GOP would not lift a finger to help.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/24/2020 @ 7:40 pmMaybe, but the lay of the land is very clear. He would be better off picking a black man than a white woman, but there are enough black women options that he’s going to go with that.
I think she’s a clever choice because she will invite a lot of attacks on how she ascended with Willie Brown’s help. And she will invite a lot of attacks that she was too tough on crime. In a weird way, I think these attacks will shield Biden from the notion he’s going to defund the police and lead to anarchy. Trump will have a very hard time attacking someone on either point, and she is a pretty good choice for an hard hitting attacker.
To be sure, I have no idea. I just can’t understand a system that says Trump and Biden are the very best leaders our nation has produced. All these incredible businesses, a nation at war for two decades, an academic system that is the envy of all civilization, and the best two leaders we produce are Trump and Biden.
I need to get a SECEDE sticker for my truck.
Dustin (4237e0) — 7/24/2020 @ 7:59 pmYou teach American children for ten generations that anybody can grow up to be president, what you think you get, Comrade Dustin?
nk (1d9030) — 7/24/2020 @ 8:09 pmOh yeah, anything is possible. The terrible and unacceptable are possible. Elmo can fly us to the moon.
Dustin (4237e0) — 7/24/2020 @ 8:15 pm“ Does anyone on this board actually believe that if you put someone of 100% Korean descent next to a person of 100% Chinese descent……. ”
The People’s Republic Of China recognizes 56 different ethnic groups as part of the Chinese population including Han, Zhuang, Hui, Manchu, Uyghur, Mongol and Korean.
harkin (5af287) — 7/24/2020 @ 8:54 pm_
I think she’s a clever choice because she will invite a lot of attacks on how she ascended with Willie Brown’s help. And she will invite a lot of attacks that she was too tough on crime. In a weird way, I think these attacks will shield Biden from the notion he’s going to defund the police and lead to anarchy. Trump will have a very hard time attacking someone on either point, and she is a pretty good choice for an hard hitting attacker.
As always, you make great points, Dustin. But there are few reasons why I think that Intersectional Bingo would be way too big a stretch for Slow Joe:
1) She demagogued him during the primary. Adding her to the ticket now might suggest that Mr. Biden is magnanimous in victory, but it could also easily be spun that he is weak and taking orders from the DNC.
2) She still needs to explain the whole situation with Larry Wallace and how she reconciles that with her staunch support of MeToo. Had she lasted longer than a millisecond in the Democrat primary you might have thought it would come up, but even the brain-dead Trump campaign is bound to stumble upon it.
3) Her performance in the Democrat primary is so head-shakingly bad that one wonders what she brings to a Biden ticket. Did she do well among African-Americans during her brief run? Nope. Did she do well among women? Again, nope. So seriously, what exactly does she bring to the table here?
Biden painted himself into a corner by kinda-sorta promising a black woman as his VP nominee. With the flameouts of Lori Lightfoot and Keisha Bottoms he seems to have run out of options. Yet there is still a great option if he is committed to a woman of color on the ticket. [Don’t click on the link; you know to whom I am referring.]
JVW (ee64e4) — 7/24/2020 @ 9:02 pm“ Does anyone on this board actually believe that if you put someone of 100% Korean descent next to a person of 100% Chinese descent……. ”
It’s not an easy feat for me, and I’ve been mingling with Chinese for 35 years. Generally, I can. But Nic is right. The average American could not.
norcal (a5428a) — 7/24/2020 @ 9:04 pm@85 Here’s my thoughts on that: Too many far left wanted Bernie, but nobody else on the Dem side did. No one else on the moderate end of the party other than Biden had the national name recognition to check Bernie’s progress. I think the nom was meant (by the Dem party mechanism) to be Warren (lots and lots of Bernie people said in 2016 that they didn’t really love Bernie and would totally have voted for Warren if she had run rather than Hillary) and a lot of more left-moderate Dems are also good with Warren, but then Bernie ran again and it turns out the Bernie people who said they would’ve voted for Warren instead wouldn’t really.
Nic (896fdf) — 7/24/2020 @ 9:07 pmI hope Biden doesn’t choose Warren. I don’t think the BLM crowd would object, rather they’d cheer it bc they don’t actually want a person of color, they want someone to espouse the correct ideology. That’s Warren to a t. But I think Warren is Hilary 2.0 and will lose in 2024 to whomever succeeds Trump. Actually it’s hard not to see Joe picking anyone who wouldn’t be in trouble in 2024. Wouldn’t it be nice if he chose someone capable and decent though.
JRH (52aed3) — 7/24/2020 @ 9:07 pmYes, JVW, but would there be enough rags to wipe up all the drool?
norcal (a5428a) — 7/24/2020 @ 9:08 pmAsian-Americans (speaking as one) are not offended that people can’t tell the difference if they are Korean or Chinese. Asians don’t do a great job themselves. What Asians are offended by many Americans of not actually making the distinction even when told. I can’t count the number of conversations where I’ve had someone tell me about their japanese or korean family friend after I told them my family is from China….
tla (7ab14a) — 7/24/2020 @ 9:10 pm@92 I don’t think Warren is likely for VP. The Dems will want someone who can go 8 yrs beyond Biden and that isn’t Warren.
Nic (896fdf) — 7/24/2020 @ 9:13 pmtla,
Do you speak Chinese?
norcal (a5428a) — 7/24/2020 @ 9:13 pmIt’s not an easy feat for me, and I’ve been mingling with Chinese for 35 years. Generally, I can. But Nic is right. The average American could not.
The guy named Lee is Korean. The guy named Li is Chinese.
JVW (ee64e4) — 7/24/2020 @ 9:44 pm(And yes, I know that this is not always true.)
JVW (ee64e4) — 7/24/2020 @ 9:44 pmReally? I thought the guy named Lee was Confederate.
norcal (a5428a) — 7/24/2020 @ 9:46 pmReally? I thought the guy named Lee was Confederate.
Not always Confederate, but always Virginian.
JVW (ee64e4) — 7/24/2020 @ 9:48 pmInteresting, JVW. I did not know that. (h/t Johnny Carson)
norcal (a5428a) — 7/24/2020 @ 9:54 pmI must put in my oar!
The Lees of Virginia!
felipe (023cc9) — 7/24/2020 @ 9:55 pmShe voted “present” on impeachment. That was her letter of resignation from national politics. At least as a Democrat.
I know you loathe Harris, but I don’t think she’d be that bad a choice, tactically.
Donald Trump can’t attack anyone on being helped to get ahead.
She has some law-enforcement cred as a former prosecutor; while the Dems could attack her during the primary as being too tough, that’s impossible for “send in the secret police and tear-gas them” Trump. She would smack him down hard if he keeps trying to say he has done more for blacks than anyone “with the *possible* exception of Lincoln”.
Harris has nothing to recommend her in terms of policy, as far as I’m concerned, and her inability to articulate and stick to policy positions was a major part of her undoing in the primaries, but I think she would fit the rabble-rousing, attacking role of a VP candidate.
Her biggest drawback is that Biden doesn’t need help winning California, but I think she checks boxes that would help him to some degree in any states that are competitive.
I think she’s marginally less off-putting than Warren, who frankly reminds me and I’m sure plenty of others of Hillary.
Susan Rice would be a strong choice from the point of view of governing but an easier target for Trump to attack.
Dave (1bb933) — 7/24/2020 @ 10:10 pmWhat about Duckworth? She could just go out and slam Trump on military cowardice 24/7 and peel off a couple percentage points right there.
Leviticus (5dade0) — 7/24/2020 @ 10:26 pmHahaha. That would be great just because it would fuel the russian conspiracy theory for a long time.
#1 … I think Biden is weak and taking orders from the DNC! but yes, great point that there are some fresh wounds. #3 I find persuasive. She was bad enough that Biden beat her (easily). She was… better than Beto.
Leviticus, that would be a great choice, and good luck beating her for the presidency down the road. I am disturbed … actually angered by how quickly the russian bounty scandal has lost steam. “Ignore it and it will go away” is an effective solution this year.
I wonder how many times Biden’s called Michelle.
Dustin (4237e0) — 7/25/2020 @ 12:02 amI think Duckworth would be Biden’s most unencumbered-by-scandal (for lack of a better term) choice. Warren has the dishonesty issue, and Harris has criminal justice issues. But I don’t think Duckworth’s selection would keep the progressive wing happy. I’d like to see a veteran recognized, if I had to choose.
Dana (25e0dc) — 7/25/2020 @ 12:21 amThings are heating up on the campaign trail. The arizona democratic party headquarters in phoenix az was set on fire friday. Arson is suspected as there have been threats of retaliation for taking down confederate monuments law enforcement says.
asset (7009fd) — 7/25/2020 @ 2:51 am@96
tla (7ab14a) — 7/25/2020 @ 6:16 amEnough to get by with my parents, but I would hardly consider myself conversant (and it’s a regional dialect)
Nic wrote:
If Joe Biden wins, his vice presidential running mate will have had 3½ years as President on January 20, 2025. His dementia is obvious to everyone, and will only get worse. Satisfied that he finally won the damned thing, Mr Biden will resign due to health reasons.
If the Democrats recognize that he can no longer do the job, he’ll be 25th Amendmented and his VP will serve as Acting President.
The Dana in Kentucky (229a56) — 7/25/2020 @ 6:19 am107, not to say they shouldn’t be, but Arizona, at least the SE quadrant including Tucson was solid Confederate territory during the War period.
urbanleftbehind (8ed464) — 7/25/2020 @ 6:24 amwhat you forgot about the illinois veterans bureau already, and her connection to the alexandria shooter,
narciso (7404b5) — 7/25/2020 @ 6:25 amhttps://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/07/the-week-in-pictures-play-protest-ball-edition.php
narciso (7404b5) — 7/25/2020 @ 6:29 amOld lefty ernie chambers is accusing julie salma a new state legislator of an affair with the gov, because she pointed out her opponents ties to chambers
Narciso (7404b5) — 7/25/2020 @ 6:32 amDustin wrote:
The problem with the alleged Russian bounty scandal is that no American soldier has been killed in combat since February. If there was actually a bounty, it has produced zero results.
American soldiers are not out patrolling in Afghanistan the way they had been, and the Taliban have been mostly quiet, waiting for American withdrawal. The Taliban finally looked at the Paris Peace Accords and figured out, hey, if we go quiet for a few months, the Yankees will pull out, and after that, we can do whatever we want.
The British and the Russians had learned the lesson before us: Afghanistan cannot be governed by anyone other than Afghanis — whoever they are, since they’re mostly tribal anyway — and we have now learned that anyone we back will be seen as a puppet, and won’t be able to rule, either. We should have pulled out after Osama bin Laden became fishbait.
The younger President Bush was persuaded by Natan Sharansky’s book The Case for Democracy, which argued that the goal of our foreign power should be the expansion of democracy, and that once people really experience democracy, they will like it so much that it will be very difficult to have tyranny imposed on them again. President Bush thought he could turn Iraq and Afghanistan into democracies, but all that has been proven is that democracy cannot really be imposed, at least not before the nation has been as thoroughly devastated as Germany and Japan in 1945, with the fighting aged men largely wounded or killed, the next generation of boys growing up completely cowed, and anybody who was anybody of influenced jailed, maimed or dead.
Well, we didn’t go in for wholesale slaughter in Afghanistan and Iraq, leaving a bunch of string and determined men alive to agitate and fight, and two nations with no history of democracy never really had it or accepted it.
The Dana in Kentucky (229a56) — 7/25/2020 @ 6:38 amMr behind wrote:
I knew that there was considerable Confederate sentiment in Nevada, ’cause I saw it in an episode of Bonanza.
The Dana in Kentucky (229a56) — 7/25/2020 @ 6:40 amthe brits were in the northwest frontier for about 100 years, I’ve related the long string of wars and expeditions, that they incurred, from buner to maiakand, which was churchill’s baptism, to the fakir of waziristan, that was at tail end, I think backing the isi’s marked deck which included hekmatyar and the father of the taliban, over massoud was the fundamental flaw, so much money could corrupt anyone like karzai, who has not suffered the fate of shaj shuja, but ghani might, installing islam in the constitution, which was feldman’s smart idea, didn’t help,
narciso (7404b5) — 7/25/2020 @ 6:45 amPrimis: May I be so crude as to say “too specialized a fetish”? Tammy, Kamala, Tulsi made their way up the Democratic Party machinery in states where the Democratic nomination clinched the election. Their nationwide appeal is at best an illusion created by news interns on slow news days.
Secundus: Biden is no less of a draft dodger than Trump is, with as many deferments and asthma instead of bone sours. I don’t think he wants to “go there”.
Tertius: Amy Klobuchar or Keisha Bottoms. Every voter’s idea of a PTA mom. That’s the winning profile this election.
nk (1d9030) — 7/25/2020 @ 6:47 amMaybe. We also have a large Hispanic community in West Texas so most everyone eats Mexican food, knows about the different kinds of chilis, and speaks some Spanish. I suspect our exposure to different people and cultures isn’t that unusual and the average American isn’t as isolated as we think. Maybe even New Yorkers.
DRJ (aede82) — 7/25/2020 @ 7:37 amConflation. I’m not sure what you mean by “split the anti-Trump vote” as if there was one camp of anti-Trump voters and then he split ’em in two, but Kasich not supporting Trump in 2016 doesn’t mean that he had to support the Democrat in 2020. He could’ve just as easily said “neither”. And I’m beyond of sick of Trump superfans saying that not bending the knee to Trump means you’re a Democrat.
Paul Montagu (0a7316) — 7/25/2020 @ 7:49 amhe was like paul tsongas, favorite son candidate, not a major figure,
narciso (7404b5) — 7/25/2020 @ 8:08 amkeep him under wraps
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/25/2020 @ 8:34 ampreferably in basement
with other mushrooms
Here’s my Biden VP assessment so far.
Paul Montagu (0a7316) — 7/25/2020 @ 8:35 amI think his best pick is Val Deming, a black woman with executive experience in law enforcement. She checks the racial minority box while sending a direct message that he ain’t gonna do defund police. It’ll piss off the BernieBro sect but will broaden Biden’s appeal across the rest of the electorate, and what are the hardline progressives gonna do, not vote for Biden and take the chance that their non-votes will bring Trump to victory? Also this, Ms. Demings is from Florida so she’ll help Biden that state, and if you win Florida, you win it all.
Which is why Kamala is a wrong running mate. If Biden picks her, he’ll get more votes from California, a state that he was already going to win by at least 4 million. Also, she’s less likable, more hypocritical, more pandering, more political, more phony, probably more liberal and definitely more dishonest (like when she asserted that Michael Brown was murdered, among many other lies).
Mayor Bottoms says all the right words, but the last few months have shown that she has problems governing. If she can’t get a city under control, how can she deal with an entire country?
I was thinking that Duckworth would be a good candidate, until she opened her big fat mouth.
Abrams for the same reason as Duckworth, and she couldn’t even win a governor’s race. Biden would literally be promoting failure.
Susan Rice would be a wrong pick for similar reasons as Kamala, and her comments about Rwanda and Benghazi are going to get played over and over, so that everyone will see that she’s a conniving political tribal animal, not a leader.
There’s NM Governor Grisham, a Hispanic, and that’s all I know about her, but she can help Biden win TX and AZ.
Klobuchar? No, and she took herself out of the running after the Floyd murder. Warren? Hell no. Biden doesn’t need her.
If there’s another viable VP candidate out there, I can’t think of one.
teh Delaware Dunce
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/25/2020 @ 8:40 amwrinkled hair-plugged corksoaker
he’s abby normal
The Dems have picked old Joe Biden
The Dana in Kentucky (229a56) — 7/25/2020 @ 10:04 amOn him their hopes are now ridin’
Too bad that for Joe
His mind is so slow
In the basement he is still hidin’
It could be Susan Rice, I guess. But I really think it will be Warren. Biden’s hold on the Left is tenuous, and Warren has somehow not become anathema to the center.
Rice is a stalking horse- never held elected office; would be an idiotic choice by an idiot. Warren could placate straying white voters but would surely piss off vocal blacks he has been blatantly pandering to as well as the darker TeeVee pundits– and they’d all make a lot of noise about it. OTOH, they all could just stay home… where could they go? Well, there is this:
“I’ve done more for black Americans than anybody with the possible exception of Abraham Lincoln, nobody has even been close.” President Donald J. Trump – 7/22/2020
“Laugh, and the world laughs with you; weep, and you weep alone.” – Ella Wheeler Wilcox, ‘Poems of Passion and Solitude’ 1883
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/25/2020 @ 10:22 amnarciso @24 link
So he wasn’t even in Russia. But he did probably have genuine Russian disinformation.
The question is, who did the Russians think he was working for? My theory is they never connected Steele with the Democrats.
Sammy Finkelman (db2a13) — 7/25/2020 @ 10:45 pm“People don’t make a distinction, as you well know, from a South Korean and someone from Beijing,
Biden here is arguing that even people who would want to blame all Chinese for the coronavirus shouldn’t be happy with Trump talking about that because they might include South Korans.
Re: Biden claiming that Trump is the first racist president
This is Biden considering on;y presidents during his lifetime – and still it’s unfair to Trump.
“I’ve done more for black Americans than anybody with the possible exception of Abraham Lincoln, nobody has even been close.” President Donald J. Trump – 7/22/2020
The explanation of that statement is that this is connected with the lowest black unemployment rate (before the coronavirus)
If that’s the criteria, it’s a wonder Trump makes an exception for Abraham Lincoln.
And I kind of think during FDRs terms the black unemployment rate went down too.
Sammy Finkelman (db2a13) — 7/25/2020 @ 10:54 pmNCCo was the most segregated place I have ever seen, and that’s where Joe Biden grew up.
“…where Joe Biden grew up…”
‘Over the years, Biden has repeatedly referenced his Scranton, PENNSYLVANIA, roots…’ – source, WaPo; he moved to Delaware when he was 10 years old. A kid does a lotta ‘growin’ up’ in 10 years.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/26/2020 @ 10:28 am@61. BTW, scrapple at 3 AM in an all night diner after a night of drinkin’w/t guy tastes pretty damn good going down… and coming up about an hour later. 😉
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/26/2020 @ 10:31 am122. A congresswoman from California, Karen Bass, seems to be on the list – this probably is explained as an alternative to Kamala Harris.
I am not sure what electoral benefit Kamala Harris brings to the ticket – the only argument for her compared to the others on the list is that, by virtue of being a United Satates Senator, she has some kind of National Security/Foreign policy knowledge or experience. Karen Bass is a member of the House Foreign affairs Committee, although she has specialized in Africa.
She is also the Chair of the Congressional Black caucus since the beginning of this Congress, and is promoting some sort of police reform bill focusing on women in prisons. (get it? A women’s issue!)
She was one of four people who got the Kennedy Profile in Courage Award in 2010 when she was Speaker of the California State Assembly (for what they don’t say. Political achievement? To balance the ticket? Maybe somebody in California knows for what unusual position she was noted for. All four winners seem to be from the California legislature, so it is some kind of California legislative issue. They have two Democrats and 2 Republicans.)
I see it’s the 2009 California budget deal with Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Villines
‘An argument for foreign policy experience by virtue of being a Senator would be highly overrated. Kamala Harris has gotten out of contact with reporters – which some people previously named as vice president have done.
Biden is said in the last day or so to be making an announcement or a decision soon: August 1.
I think Keisha Lance Bottoms would be good, because she may not have said anything dishonest, which is important. But Biden seems concerned or worried about foreign policy credentials (only that explains Susan Rice) and he’s boxed himself in, with his choices being limited to women, maybe just black women.
Sammy Finkelman (db2a13) — 7/26/2020 @ 4:41 pm