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7/20/2020

Security For GOP Convention In Doubt, Given Inadequate Number Of LEO’s, Among Other Things

Filed under: General — Dana @ 4:31 pm



[guest post by Dana]

After the GOP convention was moved from North Carolina to Florida due to a conflict over safety measures, the event is now scheduled to take place in Jacksonville on Aug. 24-27. In the mean time, Florida remains a hot mess of Covid-19 cases. The state now has 53 hospitals without ICU beds. With that, Duval County Sheriff Mike Williams has expressed doubts about being able to provide necessary security at the convention next month:

As we’re talking today, we are still not close to having some kind of plan that we can work with that makes me comfortable that we’re going to keep that event and the community safe.

It’s not my event to plan, but I can just tell you that what has been proposed in my opinion is not achievable right now … from a law enforcement standpoint, from a security standpoint.

According to the report, the GOP has been slow to officially lock down the particulars for various events, which has made it difficult to plan for security:

Williams, a Republican, wouldn’t definitively say that there is no way the event could be held. But he said he had grave doubts about it, especially in an era of heightened protests concerning police use of force.

Williams said the event, scheduled for Aug. 24-27, was announced in June, giving his agency little time to plan and prepare. The Republican National Committee has not yet nailed down which convention events will be at which venues, making it more challenging. And a pledged $50 million grant has been paired back to $33 million and, Williams said, there are strings attached that make letting contracts too difficult.

And there is this:

In early July, the Florida Sheriffs Association asked departments in the state’s 67 counties for 2,000 officers… But only 500 were able to go, Bob Gualtieri, president of the association and Pinellas County Sheriff told POLITICO over the weekend. Williams also asked the Florida Police Chiefs Association for help, but he’s still coming up short.

“We do need law enforcement officers and we’ve gotten commitments, but not to the level that we thought we needed. And a lot of that is people having virus concerns from their communities, and I understand that,” Williams said.

“But there’s a lot of things that need to happen: an event schedule nailed down, and being able to sign contracts and spend money so that we can prepare for this event. And none of that has happened yet,” he said. “So here we are inside of 40 days, and I haven’t really pulled the trigger on anything RNC-related when it comes to finances or contracts and so, you know, only related to security, mind you, nothing, nothing related to any of this.”

According to Volusia County Sheriff Mike Chitwood, who would rather there be no in-person convention, he knows that the president would not react well if told that, as things currently stand, there isn’t the necessary time to plan for adequate security, nor the necessary manpower to ensure the safety of those in attendance:

There’s a fear of telling him no because anyone who tells the president no, it’s like, off with their heads.

And while GOP Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel assured Americans that the convention will be held in conjunction with input from the Florida State health officials, she made no mention of security concerns as recently as this past weekend:

So, we’re going to have a combination of testing and temperature checks and PPE, scaling things down, using more outdoor venues, and really putting the health and safety of the convention-goers first and foremost. But, also balancing that with a great celebration.

Because there will be a lot of people there — even with just the delegates that’s 2,500. The final night it will be the delegates, alternates, guests. It will be a big event for the president’s final speech. So, we think we’re putting the perfect blend of safety and health together with the opportunity to highlight why President Trump deserves another four years.

On a side note, Trump absurdly claimed during a telephone rally on Sunday night that North Carolina Gov. Roy Cooper warned him he would limit rally attendees in the arena at the convention to just “10 people”. Oh sure… This an arena that seats 19,000! Per Trump:

But Roy Cooper said you can’t have people meeting in a room. He actually told me the most you can have meeting — we have a 19,000-seat center as you know — and he said the most you can have is 10 people because that’s what the rules are, 10 people. He actually said that, I don’t know. I guess he meant it. He thought he could start negotiating from there, but he didn’t really want to negotiate. He wanted to give it up.

Today Cooper pushed back on the the president’s claims:

“That is incorrect,” Cooper spokesman Ford Porter told CNN in an email on Monday, when asked about Trump’s claim.

“The Governor and state health officials worked with the RNC to safely hold their convention and asked for written plans for keeping attendees safe. Instead, beginning on Memorial Day, the President and RNC staff demanded a guarantee that they could hold a full convention without social distancing or face coverings. This was not a guarantee the Governor could make, particularly months in advance.”

Note: Cooper has imposed a general 10-person limit on indoor gatherings, and he publicly told Republican officials that the convention would need to be “scaled back” because of safety concerns. But Cooper’s spokesman said the governor never told Trump, Trump’s campaign or Republican officials that there could only be 10 people present in the arena.

Who’re you gonna believe?

–Dana

63 Responses to “Security For GOP Convention In Doubt, Given Inadequate Number Of LEO’s, Among Other Things”

  1. Same ‘ol, same ‘ol.

    Dana (25e0dc)

  2. Yeah, well I believe Trump. You can bellyache about the specific wording, but the Democrat Governor did NOT want the GOP convention. Period. Of course, he has to say “Of course, I wanted it” but its obvious from his actions he did NOT want it. Certainly, the GOP had no reason to bail out at the last moment just to hurt the Governor.

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  3. If the governor of North Carolina did not want the convention held in his state, would *that* really be his best argument against it? How is the claim made by Trump even remotely believable?

    Consider that it was estimated that Charlotte would have seen a revenue of more than $200 million — to restaurants, bars, hotels, and other local businesses – had the convention been held there. Do you really believe the governor wanted his state to lose that kind of money during an economic slump because he doesn’t like Trump?

    Dana (25e0dc)

  4. Gee, so the passengers of the Trump clown-car are just as adept at planning their convention as they are at everything else.

    Jared stepping in to save the day by interactively disintermediating standardized infrastructures and objectively optimizing covalent quality vectors in 3 … 2 …

    Dave (1bb933)

  5. Cooper appears to have had public health as a priority. What an idiot, right??

    Dana (25e0dc)

  6. “Who’re you gonna believe?”

    That seems to be an increasingly salient question.

    It seems to me Don’s increasingly lost without his rallies. Once incompetence blows this up, I expect he’ll double-down on the secret police bashing heads in the Urban Jungle. It isn’t going to save the election, but if you’re one of his courtiers, bloodshed has the advantage keeping him entertained, which has to be preferable to the tantrums.

    john (cd2753)

  7. Who’re you gonna believe?

    Is that a trick question? If Trump didn’t lie, he’d be diagnosed as mute.

    nk (1d9030)

  8. Lol.

    Dana (25e0dc)

  9. Well being jammed with thousands of other people in the heat and humidity listening to Trump being praised and groveled to for many hours with no other actual purpose than to serve as a backdrop for t.v. ads sounds like a real fun time so I hope this thing does go ahead so we can all watch the attendees enjoying themselves.

    Victor (a225f9)

  10. What happened was that Roy Cooper was too loquacious. He used more words than “Yes, Mr. President” and “Thank you, Mr. President”.

    nk (1d9030)

  11. Trump and Barr’s secret police brutalize a peacefully protesting navy vet in Portland

    Allahpundit:

    Imagine having a cop casually break a few bones in your hand and then give you a faceful of pepper spray for the crime of standing stock still in place, and you can’t even report him to his superiors because he’s unmarked. No name, no badge. No face, even, thanks to the gas mask. Just a man with a baton who thought you didn’t move quickly enough when he told you to and decided to send you to the hospital as a lesson.

    […]

    Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling, who helped create a police force in postwar Iraq, wrote this morning that he insisted that Iraqi officers wear police uniforms, not camouflage. He wanted to highlight three distinctions by doing so. Police keep the peace and aim to defuse conflict; soldiers aim to intimidate and to prosecute conflict to victory. Police need to be visible, as their presence alone can deter confrontation and crime; soldiers aim to be invisible and blend into their surroundings, to more effectively confront the enemy. Police need to be trained to be accountable because they often work alone or in pairs and can get away more easily with misconduct; soldiers work as part of a team within a rigid hierarchy and are watched at most times. Re-watch the video of the feds versus Christopher David. Which model seems closer to how they approached him?

    Dave (1bb933)

  12. Unsurprising that Trump’s team isn’t competent enough to organize a convention. What a bunch of losers.

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  13. Ostentatiously deploying squads of anonymous, unaccountable militarized vigilantes into cities with sporadic protests is an obvious attempt to escalate the violence for political benefit, not diminish it.

    The extremist nutjobs on the streets (left-wing and right-wing) want the violence to escalate, and the extremist nutjob in the White House wants the violence to escalate.

    So I’m afraid it will escalate.

    Dave (1bb933)

  14. Defying Trump, Lawmakers Move to Strip Military Bases of Confederate Names
    Representative Don Bacon, a Republican, had a blunt message for President Trump when a White House aide called him personally early this month and asked that he abandon legislation to strip the names of Confederate leaders from military bases.

    “You’re wrong — you need to change,” Mr. Bacon, a second-term Nebraskan and former Air Force brigadier general, told the official, he said in an interview. “We’re the party of Lincoln, the party of emancipation; we’re not the party of Jim Crow. We should be on the right side of this issue.”
    …….
    It will take center stage on Capitol Hill this week, when the House and Senate each consider sweeping annual military bills that contain bipartisan measures mandating that the Pentagon remove Confederate names from military assets. Mr. Trump, who has sought to stoke cultural and political divisions over symbols of the Confederacy, has said he would veto any bill with such a requirement.
    …….
    ………Senate Republican leaders have moved to avoid a contentious showdown on the issue, ducking a vote on a proposal by Senator Josh Hawley, Republican of Missouri, to remove Ms. Warren’s requirement and replace it with a weaker measure that would instruct the Pentagon to study the issue.

    “This cancel movement seeks to divide us, not unite; to erase our history, rather than to reckon with it,” Mr. Hawley said in a speech on the Senate floor, accusing proponents of Ms. Warren’s measure of being driven by “a kind of woke fundamentalism.”
    ……
    Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the majority leader, told The Wall Street Journal last week that he would not block the effort to rename the bases, and in an interview with a Louisville radio station, he said he didn’t “have any problem” with renaming the bases for “people who didn’t rebel against the country.” ……
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (361788)

  15. DHS Authorizes Domestic Surveillance to Protect Statues and Monuments
    ……..
    A document provided to Lawfare on July 19 from the Department of Homeland Security’s (DHS) Office of Intelligence & Analysis (I&A) describes personnel as “collecting and reporting on various activities in the context of elevated threats targeting monuments, memorials, and statues”—and it gives legal guidance concerning the “expanded intelligence activities necessary to mitigate the significant threat to homeland security” posed by such activities.

    The document, titled “Job Aid: DHS Office of Intelligence & Analysis (I&A) Activities in Furtherance of Protecting American Monuments, Memorials, Statues, and Combatting Recent Criminal Violence,” is not classified. Its three pages each bear the heading “UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY.” But it clearly indicates that at least parts of the intelligence community are being tasked with monitoring and collecting information on some protest activities.

    …….. It is explicitly tied to President Trump’s executive order of June 26, 2020……
    ……..
    What kinds of collection and surveillance can DHS engage in for intelligence purposes generally? The rules spell out that:

    I&A personnel are required to use the least intrusive collection techniques feasible and sufficient when collecting [US person information] or when collecting intelligence or information within the United States. … I&A personnel are permitted to engage in physical surveillance, the use of mail covers, and the use of monitoring devices only to the extent permitted by and consistent with [rules limiting their use to counterintelligence investigations]. I&A personnel are not permitted to engage in electronic surveillance or unconsented physical searches. Use of these techniques within the United States will be coordinated with the Federal Bureau of Investigation….

    So in other words, protestors can reasonably expect that there will be ongoing DHS collection and analysis of public source information about—and likely the social media postings of—people involved in protests.

    ……..It identifies three “appropriate missions” for I&A activities with respect to protest activity:

    1. Threats to damage or destroy any public monument, memorial, or statue (MMS);

    2. Threats of violence to law enforcement personnel, facilities, or resources; and

    3. Threats to damage, destroy, or impede the functioning of other government facilities.

    ……..
    Indeed, the first of these missions is a bit jarring if you pause to think about it. We certainly did not anticipate when we read the executive order last month that the federal government would interpret it as defining the threat to deface monuments as a homeland security matter warranting domestic intelligence collection by the federal government against U.S. persons—even, say, a local public monument without a national profile. We suspect others did not anticipate that reading either.
    …….
    …….[A]n array of collection authorities [are] available when an I&A analyst has a “reasonable belief” supportable with “facts and circumstances” that can be articulated of any “Threats to damage or destroy any public monument, memorial, or statue.” That’s a pretty striking position for the federal government to be taking as a matter of both law and policy. Indeed, it’s difficult to understand the federal government’s interest in, or constitutional authority over, minor property damage to non-federal monuments on non-federal property.
    ……
    ……The memo makes clear that “Persons merely engaging in non-violent protest activities near MMS, or making hyperbolic statements about MMS likely do not constitute a threat to MMS” (emphasis added). Rather, it states, a “’threat to MMS’ means the infliction of any damage sufficient to impede the purpose or function of the MMS.”

    We will leave for another day the almost philosophical question of what level of damage might reasonably be said to impede the purpose or function of a statue. Suffice it to say that DHS analysts are now authorized to collect intelligence on threats to inflict such damage—though apparently not damage that falls short of impeding a statue’s “purpose or function,” whatever that may be.
    ………

    Rip Murdock (361788)

  16. Democrats can say they love black folks and tell them their lives matter. But if they riddle their neighborhoods with Planned Parenthood clinics, you know they are lying.

    Colonel Haiku (3c8e87)

  17. Its like one has to hird blackwater because the local constabulary is totally whipped.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  18. I was just reminded that Elvis was drafted and went.

    Cadet Bonespurs thinks he can look tough by proxy, but even his most insensate chicken-pluckers will feel (if not consciously recognize) the wrong note.

    What he’s doing, of course, is hoping. Both with the Covid-19 and and with the riots. That they will both naturally subside by October and he can claim the credit for quelling them.

    nk (1d9030)

  19. 18. Elvis was no Audie Murphy:

    ‘Elvis Presley served in the United States Army between March 1958 and March 1960. When he was stationed in West Germany, he met his future wife Priscilla Beaulieu and became dependent on stimulants and barbiturates. This unhealthy addiction eventually led to his divorce, and ultimately his death at age 42 in 1977.’ source, wikihounddog.dogface

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  20. You clearly don’t know that much about Audie Murphy. Highly decorated guy, but a very flawed man, like many soldiers. A man whose addictions sent him to a very dark place. I really like that the Army has so much culture dedicated to him because he isn’t Mr. Clean.

    Dustin (064e00)

  21. Still love ya though. That came across like this and that wasn’t how I intended it. Elvie falling apart is not that unlike Audie Murphy.

    Dustin (064e00)

  22. Like desmond doss who didnt fire a shot, thats a film that stays with you, lone survivor does as well, can you imagine luttrell went back to ramadi after that ordeal.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  23. Yeah, well, both Elvis and Audie were poor boys who raised themselves up in the world by making it a better place, each in his own way, and I would say giving more than they got back. I don’t care how they compare to each other, Trump wouldn’t make a pimple on the butt of either one of them.

    nk (1d9030)

  24. Hack saw ridge specially the pivotal battle is brutal, but there an objective an ultimate goal, what has been the objective in afghanistan for 19 years, is it achievable. One looks at the outpost, or lone survivor.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  25. So what sheriff williams is saying, is go ahead antifa we have our head up our (redacted) like seattle and minneapolis is that a good look.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  26. Even in normal years, August is the highest crime month, and especially violent crimes. Betsy DeVos can hire her baby brother to jury-rig a baby Blackwater from the remnants of his old one (you knew that, right?) to fill in the gaps left by the police. It’s not like she can’t afford it, and the Kushners could chip in too.

    nk (1d9030)

  27. @20. Clearly you don’t know much about AM; by your ‘calendar, he served 27,000 years ago under fire in WW2 while EP popped pills safe in Deutschland.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  28. They were good enough when the n.o police went awol, it seems to be going around.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  29. How will they protect the republican delegates from naked athena doing yoga exercises in the street in front of them? Last night in portland naked athena sat down in the street doing her yoga exercises in front of advancing federal secret police. The federal secret police stopped in confusion and then retreated!

    asset (52233e)

  30. @20. Clearly you don’t know much about AM; by your ‘calendar, he served 27,000 years ago under fire in WW2 while EP popped pills safe in Deutschland.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/20/2020 @ 10:33 pm

    Don’t hate the player

    Dustin (064e00)

  31. Ο Νικ είχε τον Γκέρφιλ Φρέντι να ταξινομηθεί ως ζώο συναισθηματικής υποστήριξης

    Colonel Haiku (3c8e87)

  32. https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2020/07/20/the-two-words-that-a-lot-of-conservatives-want-trump-to-hurl-at-dr-fauci-n2572749
    How in haites can Dr. Turd still have a job. Fire this imbecile, Trump.

    mg (8cbc69) — 7/21/2020 @ 2:24 am

    Comma is in the wrong place.

    Time123 (f5cf77)

  33. oh the shooter worked for kroll and associates in moscow, chew on that bit,

    jacksonville wants to join the ranks of seattle new york and portland, that’s not a good look,

    narciso (7404b5)

  34. The Democratic National Committee told all the delegates, and the superdelegates (members of Congress etc) not to go to Milwaukee:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/16/us/politics/democratic-convention-milwaukee.html

    The directive, issued Thursday, ensures that little will happen at the convention site in Milwaukee beyond speeches from former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr., his vice-presidential nominee and a handful of other top party leaders. The remainder of the events — state delegation meetings, parties, voting on the party platform and on Mr. Biden’s nomination — will happen virtually or not at all….

    ….heir decision comes as Mr. Trump has made clear he wants the Republican convention to go on,. Party officials moved it to Jacksonville, Fla., from Charlotte because North Carolina state officials said they would have to abide by social distancing rules.

    On Thursday, the Republican National Committee announced new details about the convention, confirming a Times report this week that the party was planning to shift some events to take place outdoors.

    Ronna McDaniel, the committee’s chairwoman, said that “a number of indoor and outdoor venues” in Jacksonville would be used, including the VyStar Veterans Memorial Arena, where the indoor program had been scheduled to take place, as well as several other locations. For the first three days of the convention, attendance will be limited to regular delegates, while a broader group will be allowed on the final day when Mr. Trump accepts the party’s nomination.

    Here;s a New York Times story about the Republican National Convention:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/us/politics/republican-convention-jacksonville-virus-outdoors.html

    Officials met Monday night to discuss shifting the events of Aug. 25, 26, and 27 out of the VyStar Veterans Memorial Arena, where the indoor program was scheduled to take place, including President Trump’s acceptance speech on the final night. The two outdoor options they’ve been examining are near the arena, the people familiar with the discussions said….

    …..The plan to move the activities outdoors was made after a meeting that Mr. Trump held with political advisers on Monday evening. It’s a change from what Mr. Trump had envisioned when he forced the Republican National Committee to abandon plans in Charlotte, N.C., because officials there refused to guarantee the type of pre-coronavirus event the president wanted, absent restrictions on social distancing….

    ….The planned move outdoors for nighttime events is the latest complication for G.O.P. convention officials. Fund-raisers in Jacksonville have described a challenging environment as donors balk at giving to an event threatened by a health crisis, or donating a second time after having already contributed to the Charlotte convention.

    And Mr. Trump may still not get the full-throated, restriction-free celebration he was seeking: The city of Jacksonville is requiring facial coverings in any public space where social distancing is not possible, and the host committee said every attendee within the convention perimeter “will be tested and temperature checked each day.’’

    Sammy Finkelman (375edc)

  35. And the words of the prophet were written on the subway halls and tenement halls

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fWyzwo1xg0

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  36. 38. It’s subway walls

    A takeoff on Daniuel 5:5ff

    Sammy Finkelman (375edc)

  37. It’s subway walls.

    Many, many take el up Harrison. I did, for four years, when I attended UIC. 😉

    nk (1d9030)

  38. there’s a reason jack london, called it the city in the abyss,

    narciso (7404b5)

  39. That was the East End of London/Whitechapel, narcisso. The locale for Jack London’s novel The People of the Abyss.

    nk (1d9030)

  40. I knew this would come up – typical never trumper lawyer – guilty before trial

    mg (8cbc69)

  41. 40. nk (1d9030) — 7/21/2020 @ 8:18 am

    Many, many take el up Harrison.

    Harrison Avenue, a side street off Tremont Avenue in the Bronx, is where I understand the crack epidemic started in 1985. It was first sold there.

    Up to a little more than a dozen years before my father’s aunt lived near there. It’s several blocks west from Jerome avenue and the elevated subway stop was (still is) at Burnside avenue, not Tremont Avenue.

    I think my father’s aunt told me they started building it at 183rd St toward downtown or south then later built north till the end (Mosholu Parkway and Woodlawn) The #4 (Lexington avenue) train runs up Jerome Avenue (but before 167th St, River Avenue.)

    But it’s MENE MENE, TEKEL U-PHARSIN. (the Ph has an F sound)

    Sammy Finkelman (375edc)

  42. you people are well passed coming for the jews

    mg (8cbc69)

  43. ah yes just slightly saner then jean carroll, the times tried to dox tucker again,

    narciso (7404b5)

  44. But it’s MENE MENE, TEKEL U-PHARSIN. (the Ph has an F sound)

    I know, Sammy. And in my Septuagint, the “T” is a “θ” (theta, “th” sound). Like shibboleth.

    It’s a joke on how some people misread it (urbanleftbehind was one of them the first time I quoted it here), and doubly applicable in Chicago which has a subway/elevated line running alongside Harrison Street which I had to cross to get from the station to the UIC campus.

    nk (1d9030)

  45. @31. Fox News and hosts sued in sexual harassment suit

    Fox News and hosts sued in sexual harassment suit Ed Henry is accused of rape, and Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson and Howard Kurtz are alleged to have committed sexual harassment. – source, politico/CBS

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  46. nk (1d9030) — 7/21/2020 @ 8:26 am

    These days, no one needs to be guilty, only accused. The legal* process only makes cancel culture stronger. I think of Jeri Ryan’s accusations against her husband, the Senator. That’s one play in the playbook.

    * as opposed to “due”

    felipe (023cc9)

  47. Put not your trust in scum

    I agree with this, always.

    felipe (023cc9)

  48. On top of “the words of the prophets are written on the subway walls”.

    nk (1d9030)

  49. Which is why one should always “read the writing on the wall.”

    felipe (023cc9)

  50. Well, guys, just how guilty is the NYT of threatening to doxx Carlson Tucker? To people who already know his address, BTW, having laid siege to it before.

    nk (1d9030)

  51. Which is why one should always “read the writing on the wall.”

    RESIST” is what I see most along with gang signs.

    nk (1d9030)

  52. Chicago also has an Augusta Street. See if you can figure out this misheard Latin phrase:
    De Augusta bus no is. Dis puta ain’t dumb.

    nk (1d9030)

  53. Well, guys, just how guilty is the NYT of threatening to doxx Carlson Tucker? To people who already know his address, BTW, having laid siege to it before.

    They moved and have a new address.

    Colonel Haiku (3c8e87)

  54. Its funny how you are all so cavalier about doxing all of a sudden.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  55. De gustibus non est disputandum

    (There’s no accounting for taste)

    Dave (1bb933)

  56. Tucker is just manipulating the gullible into righteous fury and stroking their insatiable appetite for grievance:

    “While we do not confirm what may or may not publish in future editions, The Times has not and does not plan to expose any residence of Tucker Carlson’s, which Carlson was aware of before tonight’s broadcast” – NYT spokesperson

    Dave (1bb933)

  57. Yup. If you read it in Breitbart, it’s a lie. Just like if you heard it from Trump.

    nk (1d9030)

  58. As opposed to the post or the times, they have never gotten something wrong

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ClimateAudit/status/1285342411397279744

    Narciso (7404b5)


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