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6/20/2020

Weekend Open Thread

Filed under: General — Dana @ 8:21 am



[guest post by Dana]

Here are a few news items for you to chew over. Feel free to post any that you think readers would be interested in learning about. Please make sure to include links.

First news item

Amy Klobuchar and the writing on the wall:

The white Minnesota senator, who had seen her prospects fall as racial tensions swept the nation, said she called the presumptive presidential nominee Wednesday night and made the suggestion. Biden had already committed to choosing a woman as his running mate.

“I think this is a moment to put a woman of color on that ticket,” Klobuchar said on MSNBC. “If you want to heal this nation right now — my party, yes, but our nation — this is sure a hell of a way to do it.”

Reportedly, the choice is now between Susan Rice and Kamala Harris. Elizabeth who??

Second news item

Trump promises “wild evening” at Tulsa rally tonight:

Pressed on why he wasn’t using his presidential bully pulpit to encourage rally attendees to wear masks, Trump described masks as “a double-edged sword.” When asked if he recommended people wear them, he added: “I recommend people do what they want.”

More from the interview:

The president stood by his tweet earlier Friday warning protesters that law enforcement in Tulsa will not treat them “like you have been in New York, Seattle or Minneapolis.” Trump said, “That’s got to be the least controversial of my tweets.”

“Oklahoma’s much tougher on law and order” than some parts of the country, he said, and insisted that protests are packed with anarchists, agitators and looters. “They’re all together.”

He relished the lifting of a health and safety curfew in Tulsa for his supporters and said he has no intention of wearing a mask at the rally and that people should do what they want.

“I don’t feel that I’m in danger,” he said. “I’ve met a lot, a lot of people, and so far here I sit.” (Everyone who meets with Trump, including this reporter, is tested beforehand.)

Third news item

Court says Oklahoma rally participants not required to wear masks:

The Oklahoma Supreme Court on Friday rejected a request to require everyone attending President Donald Trump’s rally in Tulsa this weekend to wear a face mask and maintain social distancing inside the arena…

The court ruled that the two local residents who asked that the thousands expected at Saturday night’s rally be required to take the precautions couldn’t establish that they had a clear legal right to the relief they sought. Oklahoma has had a recent spike in coronavirus cases, but in a concurring opinion, two justices noted that the state’s plan to reopen its economy is “permissive, suggestive and discretionary.”

“Therefore, for lack of any mandatory language in the (plan), we are compelled to deny the relief requested.”

Fourth news item

When what we *need* something to be transcends all else:

Linger for a moment on this: A white mayor dismissing the black resident’s explanation charging ahead with an emotionally fraught investigation against him that could result in enhanced penalties.

Fifth news item

When the horse is already out of the barn:

A District Court judge in Washington, D.C. has denied an injunction attempt by the Trump administration to stop former National Security Adviser John Bolton’s tell-all book from being sold in bookstores from June 23. In a ruling handed down Saturday morning, Judge Royce C. Lamberth wrote that Bolton’s book… has already been widely distributed to news media for excerpt and 200,000 copies have been shipped across the country. The judge wrote, “given the widespread dissemination of the books, the ‘horse is already out of the barn’.”

…“Defendant Bolton has gambled with the national security of the United States. He has exposed his country to harm and himself to civil (and potentially criminal) liability,” Lamberth wrote. “But these facts do not control the motion before the Court. The government has failed to establish that an injunction will prevent irreparable harm. Its motion is accordingly DENIED.”

Sixth news item

Hey, this CHAZ sure doesn’t sound like the utopia the brochure advertised:

At least two people were shot and one was killed inside Seattle’s Capitol Hill Organized Protest (CHOP) area early Saturday morning, and police say they are investigating despite it being in a “no-cop” zone of the city.

Videos recorded Saturday morning show volunteer medics scrambling to help the purported victims after Seattle Police Department radio dispatchers received multiple reports of three to six gunshots around 2:20 a.m. People involved in the incident were seen fleeing the scene north from 10th Avenue and East Pine street in the city’s Capitol Hill autonomous protest zone, also called CHAZ. Seattle Police abandoned the closest East Precinct building on June 8th after days of confrontations with protesters in the wake of George Floyd’s death while in the custody of Minneapolis police.

Have a great weekend.

–Dana

390 Responses to “Weekend Open Thread”

  1. Good morning.

    Dana (25e0dc)

  2. Good morning, Dana. I have been waiting for this thread. I have been doing CLE (Continuing Legal Education) and I want to share something I learned, but later, your chosen subjects are much more interesting.

    nk (1d9030)

  3. Oh, yeah. If it’s Kamala Harris, I’m voting for Trump. If it’s a choice between panderers, I’ll take the literal one over the figurative one. At least the literal one has biology on his side.

    nk (1d9030)

  4. Alarming clusters among young people in the U.S. South are linked to bars and fraternity rush parties
    ……
    At least 100 cases were linked on Friday to employees and customers of bars in the Tigerland nightlife district near the Louisiana State University campus. In South Carolina, cases among people ages 21 to 30 have grown 413 percent since April 4. And in Mississippi, state officials said several cases had been tied to fraternity rush parties in Oxford, home to the University of Mississippi. More than 80 percent of new cases in Oxford were in people age 18 to 24.

    “Early information suggests that they’re violating the law in the number of people who are at these parties,” said Dr. Thomas Dobbs, Mississippi’s state health officer, who noted that indoor gatherings without social distancing were supposed to be limited to 20 people.
    …….
    Critical to (universities planning to open in the fall) s the idea that young people will strictly adhere to social distancing and other mitigations, an assumption that one expert on the psychology of the young has called “delusional.”

    Rip Murdock (212cb2)

  5. Susan Rice’s son is a red-pill, I wonder if he’ll be a mere distraction, malevolent saboteur or a bridge to converting some young Reluc-Trump (there’s still a strong Alex P Keaton air amongst Stanford republicans vs those of the UC or CSU variety).

    I am also mad that BLMs travelers have apparently gotten Val Demings crossed off the list.

    urbanleftbehind (503d56)

  6. Donald Trump’s campaign manager didn’t vote for Donald Trump in 2016
    Brad Parscale, Donald Trump’s campaign manager, did not vote for President Trump in 2016. In fact, he didn’t vote in the general election at all, according to election records obtained by CBS News.

    Bexar County, Texas Election Department documents show Parscale, then a San Antonio resident, voted in the 2016 primary but not in the general election. He did cast a ballot in the 2012 and 2018 federal elections. And his 2018 vote was submitted by mail.
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (212cb2)

  7. From Rip’s link:

    “In 2016, I was in New York working to elect Donald Trump and encountered a series of problems receiving my absentee ballot from Texas and missed the deadline,” Parscale said in a statement to CBS News. “Just further proof that vote-by-mail is not the flawless solution Democrats and the media pretend it is.”

    BuDuh (bc7703)

  8. BuhDuh-
    In order to avoid copyright issues, I am forced to edit excerpts. Thanks.

    Rip Murdock (212cb2)

  9. May as well edit the part that makes the headline look stupid, right?

    BuDuh (bc7703)

  10. Thanks. The Chicago Board of Elections emailed me an application for a mail-in ballot last week but with one thing and another I haven’t emailed it back yet.

    nk (1d9030)

  11. How did tiny Tenino, Washington handle COVID?
    They printed their own money, using wooden coins. Clever.

    Paul Montagu (d27749)

  12. According to Kyle Cheney of Politico the Judge has found that Bolton had classified information in his book and likely jeopardized national security. The judge has ruled not to stop the sale of the book, since it’s already too late.

    So a mixed ruling for Bolton.

    Bolton had his chance to tell what he knew under oath, where lying has consequences and there’s an opportunity for cross examination and he chose not to that. I have no sympathy or admiration for him for writing a book. I agree that the publication of that book shouldn’t be stopped. I oppose prior restraint of speech by the government and think penalties for sharing classified information are the correct remedy.

    I’m very interested to know what classified info was in the book, and if it was missed in the original review process.

    Time123 (cd2ff4)

  13. I am also mad that BLMs travelers have apparently gotten Val Demings crossed off the list.

    I hope Biden picks her anyway. Kamala would be a wasted pick. California is already nailed down.

    Paul Montagu (d27749)

  14. I think if Biden wants to reach the moderates in his party, he’ll go with Demings. If he wants to go full on progressive, he’ll selected Harris or Rice.

    Dana (25e0dc)

  15. Time123-
    Three of the six items cited by the Government were classified during the unusual second review.

    Rip Murdock (212cb2)

  16. I am lost on the distinctions between the “moderate” Dem and the “progressive” Dem. One seems to be a lazy version of the other.

    BuDuh (bc7703)

  17. I’m fan of Val Demings for VP, but I think a legitimate concern is knowing how she will handle the national stage. Nobody wants a another Sarah Palin show. Segments of the media will be naturally more friendly to whoever is the Democratic nominee, but a truly poor showing at the VP debate is a legitimate concern given Biden’s age. The benefit of Kamala is that you know what you have and that’s worth something.

    tla (c651d4)

  18. I hope Biden says a big fat NO to Susan Rice. She’s a partisan political hack who is even more unlikable than Stacey Abrams.

    Paul Montagu (d27749)

  19. This was only the first half of the pilot episode, where the surveyor has found oil in Jed’s swamp but they haven’t packed up the buggy and moved to Beverly (Hills, that is) yet. It’s going to be a long-lasting series with the fight over the money, trials and appeals.

    nk (1d9030)

  20. The Bolton book case.

    nk (1d9030)

  21. I look forward to you sharing about your CLE, nk.

    Dana (25e0dc)

  22. Why Trump keeps losing in court. It’s not that the justices don’t like Trump, they don’t like Trump’s tilting the balance of power in his favor with all the power grabs.

    This sounds technical, and Trump’s defenders are trying to paint it that way. It isn’t. Trump keeps losing not because of something obscure, but because of something fundamental: his abuse of the executive branch. Much of his administration’s approach to governance rests on attempting executive actions that lack any meaningful justification rooted in expertise, or even rational thought.

    That, and their constantly ignoring the Administrative Procedures Act.

    Paul Montagu (d27749)

  23. Segments of the media will be naturally more friendly to whoever is the Democratic nominee,

    Understatement of the Year.

    Colonel Haiku (99ba6b)

  24. “Elizabeth who?”
    __ _

    DrZG28Medical
    @drzoegrey

    ·Laurence Tribe apologizes for saying Joe Biden should select Elizabeth Warren as running mate over someone based on ‘cosmetics’
    __ _

    aka ‘when Democrats tell you how they really think’
    _

    harkin (f5f3f1)

  25. It’s about copyright trolls, Dana, a subject of prior posts here. I learned three things which I did not remember from those posts and that’s why I thought it might be of interest. The host of the webinar was a lady attorney from urbanleftbehind’s neck of the Illinois woods who came out of retirement to defend their victims practically pro bono.

    The copyright trolls go after people who they allege illegally downloaded embarrassing videos from the internet. The three invariables seem to be:
    1. BitTorrent;
    2. Comcast; and
    3. Malibu Media;
    and those should be red flags for people who are not content with the free stuff they can get by Googling.

    A company in Germany fishes out the Comcast account’s IP from BitTorrent, and then the trolls subpoena Comcast for the IP account holder’s name and address. The trolls are not the original producers, they obtain a license of the copyright, and Malibu Media may be a licensor or licensee (I am not clear on that).

    Anyway, that’s pretty much it.

    TL;DR Don’t run BitTorrent through Comcast to download smut with a Malibu Media copyright notice.

    nk (1d9030)

  26. So the BLM crew in SF pulled down a statue of U.S. Grant:

    https://twitter.com/MarcACaputo/status/1274309450598363140?s=20
    _

    The first hint should have been that they weren’t looting libraries to stock up on history books.
    _

    harkin (f5f3f1)

  27. I’d rather they’d save the energy for a Dylan Roof or the EPS:

    http://uk.news.yahoo.com/north-carolina-protesters-tear-down-025419102.html

    urbanleftbehind (503d56)

  28. Slipping and sliding into the nightmare scenario.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/ahead-of-tulsa-rally-trumpworld-fears-its-nightmare-scenario-is-coming-true?ref=scroll

    In multiple national and several state polls, Trump’s numbers have fallen into the 30s. But his campaign managers don’t want to tell him that, out of fear he will fly into a rage. So they deep telling don’t worry, be happy.

    This is why he so anxious to get back to holding rallies. He so misses the adulation of the madding crowds.

    Talk about super spreader events. Oklahoma and surrounding states, including Teas, have seen a spike in infections over the last few weeks. This is not the time to have thousands of people packed into a closed arena. Some of them may be infected but asymptomatic or presymptomatic, yet are contagious. That’s how this coronavirus spreads, stealthily, infecting unsuspecting people, who then transfer it to other unsuspecting people.

    I wonder what will happen to Trump’s poll numbers if hundreds or thousands come out ofis rally with CoVid-19.

    Meanwhile, in race relations, a black man hung some swings on a tree in a park in Oakland, so children could play. And now he’s suspected of hanging nooses. The white mayor wants him persecuted for committing a hate crime.

    https://reason.com/2020/06/19/oakland-nooses-turn-out-to-be-exercise-swings-mayor-wants-to-investigate-them-as-a-hate-crime-anyway/

    California Democrats, go figure. You can’t make this stuff up, but the whole world has gone insane.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  29. First, Cadaver JoeyBee boxes himself in by panderin’ and narrowin’ his choices only to the ladies. Polls be damned for honesty,too; given his demeanor, declining mental capacity and age, when he bows to pressure and sweetens the ticket w/some brown sugar as VEEP, the final nail will go into his coffin. Few white males will cop to voting for a sassy black woman on the ticket who will likely be CIC within a few years.

    Smart girl, that Amy; better to be a sitting senator w/established nat’l recognition than tagged, bagged and buried on a losing ticket.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  30. Biden Ahead Of Trump By 8 Points In Presidential Race, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Nearly 6 In 10 Support Vote By Mail In November
    If the election for president were being held today, former Vice President Joe Biden would receive 49 percent of the vote and President Donald Trump would receive 41 percent, according to a Quinnipiac University national poll of registered voters released today (6/18/20). ……There are wide gaps among gender, race, and education groups:

    Women back Biden 59 – 33 percent, while men back Trump 51 – 38 percent;

    Black voters back Biden 82 – 9 percent, Hispanic voters back Biden 57 – 31 percent, and white voters back Trump 50 – 42 percent;

    White voters with a college degree back Biden 57 – 35 percent, while white voters without a college degree back Trump 59 – 33 percent.
    ……
    On the economy, Trump has a slight lead 51 – 46 percent;

    On handling a crisis, Biden leads 54 – 43 percent;

    On the coronavirus response, Biden leads 54 – 41 percent;

    On health care, Biden leads 55 – 41 percent;

    On race relations, Biden leads 58 – 36 percent.
    ……
    42 percent of voters approve of the job President Trump is doing while 55 percent disapprove, essentially unchanged from May’s 42 – 53 percent negative approval rating.

    On Trump’s handling of:
    The economy, 52 percent of voters approve, 45 percent disapprove;

    The military, 44 percent approve, 52 percent disapprove;

    The response to the coronavirus, 42 percent approve, 56 percent disapprove;

    Health care, 39 percent approve, 56 percent disapprove;

    Race relations, 36 percent approve, 59 percent disapprove.
    ……
    Less than five months until the presidential election, a majority of voters say 59 – 38 percent that all voters in the United States should be allowed to vote by mail in November due to the coronavirus pandemic.

    Three-quarters of voters, 75 percent, say it is either very or somewhat likely that there will be another wave of coronavirus infections that will cause businesses in their state to close again, while 22 percent of voters say it’s not so likely or not likely at all.
    …….

    Rip Murdcock (80e6b4)

  31. Oprah, give JoeyBee a call and insist you do all the talkin’—. you’re his only hope.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  32. NIH halts clinical trial of hydroxychloroquine
    A clinical trial to evaluate the safety and effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine for the treatment of adults hospitalized with coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) has been stopped by the National Institutes of Health. A data and safety monitoring board (DSMB) met late Friday and determined that while there was no harm, the study drug was very unlikely to be beneficial to hospitalized patients with COVID-19. …..NHLBI halted the trial immediately.
    …….
    ……The blinded, placebo-controlled randomized clinical trial aimed to enroll more than 500 adults who are currently hospitalized with COVID-19 or in an emergency department with anticipated hospitalization. More than 470 were enrolled at the time of study’s closure.

    All participants in the study received clinical care as indicated for their condition. Those randomized to the experimental intervention had also received hydroxychloroquine. Participants in the study will now continue to receive standard of care and follow up as indicated for their condition.
    …….

    Rip Murdcock (80e6b4)

  33. Six members of President Trump’s campaign tested positive for the coronavirus during a routine screening before a rally in Tulsa, Okla.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  34. @30. HRC was leading in the polls– right up until she lost. And she spoke in near-gaffe sentences, too. Any JoeyBee ‘lead’ evaporates like spit on a hot sidewalk as soon as he open his mouth.

    The punditry class may preach otherwise, but ‘I’m not Trump’ is not a winning strategy any more than ‘I’m not Reagan’ was for Mondale.

    In this era of change, Americans don’t want to be governed, they wish to be entertained. By that metric alone, Trump wins again. Look for a fresh path, new faces and retooled ideologies in 2024.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  35. From Rip’s Hydroxychloroquine link:

    Study shows treatment does no harm

    So much for that talking point.

    BuDuh (bc7703)

  36. 6 Trump campaign members in Tulsa test positive for the coronavirus ahead of rally

    Six members of President Donald Trump’s campaign staff in Tulsa, Oklahoma, to setup for the president’s first campaign rally of the 2020 election cycle tested positive for the coronavirus, the campaign announced on Saturday.

    The president’s campaign said they performed hundreds of tests ahead of Trump’s rally, his first since March 2, but six members of his advance team tested positive.
    …..
    …… Tim Murtaugh, the campaign communications director said in a statement. “No COVID-positive staffers or anyone in immediate contact will be at today’s rally or near attendees and elected officials.”
    ……
    There has been a 100 percent spike in Tulsa County (of COVID-19 cases) just this week, the highest in the state, and health officials announced Saturday that it had 136 new coronavirus cases, the highest number its yet to report in a single day as the trend of cases, hospitalizations and deaths in Oklahoma continues to rise.
    ……
    And so it begins……

    Rip Murdock (212cb2)

  37. 6 staff members from Trump’s Tulsa rally campaign team may have tested positive for Covid.

    DRJ (aede82)

  38. From Rip’s Hydroxychloroquine link:

    Study shows treatment does no harm

    So much for that talking point.

    But doesn’t do you any good either, except giving patients false hopes. Sort of like laetrile.

    Rip Murdock (212cb2)

  39. ……. I’m not Trump’ is not a winning strategy any more than ‘I’m not Reagan’ was for Mondale.

    Reagan was popular. Trump isn’t.

    Rip Murdock (212cb2)

  40. After the media/Democrats (is there a difference?) spent a week telling us not to care about the tens of thousands of George Floyd protesters ignoring social distancing and shouting/Yelling without masks on, NO ONE cares that Trump’s rallies are “Unsafe”. We all known this is just more noise and distraction by people trying to elect Joe Biden.

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  41. Judge Lamberth:

    As noted at the hearing, a CBS News reporter clutched a copy of the book while questioning the White House press secretary. By the looks of it, the horse is not just out of the barn—it is out of the country.

    Bolton looks like he’s going to lose the case and give up all his profits to the government, however. I’ll be very curious to see exactly which episodes described in the book will irreparably harm the United States once they are revealed.

    Not curious enough to buy the book though. Although knowing the money will never go to Bolton makes it more tempting than otherwise, it’s not nearly tempting enough.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  42. After the media/Democrats (is there a difference?) spent a week telling us not to care about the tens of thousands of George Floyd protesters ignoring social distancing and shouting/Yelling without masks on, NO ONE cares that Trump’s rallies are “Unsafe”. We all known this is just more noise and distraction by people trying to elect Joe Biden.

    Again, you’re making things up. The media talked about it every 3 minutes for weeks, that you don’t pay attention to it, that’s a you problem.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  43. BTW, people need to read the District Judge’s opinion on the Bolten book. Basically, if the Judge’s analysis is correct, its almost impossible for the Government to stop a book being published because it has classified information. The US Government must show that any injunction will STOP irrevocable harm to the USA. And insanely, once the book has been published/widely circulated, you can’t prove that. “The horse is out of the barn”

    However, he makes it clear, that the book contains classified data, and that Bolten violated his NDA and his signed agreements. He decided unilaterally to publish a book when he agreed to NOT publish a book until it had gone through the declassification process. Bolten, IOW, is a liar and his word isn’t worth a bucket of warm spit. Supposedly, he won’t be able to profit by it, but of course Bolten will sue, blah blah, and it will drag on until yet another Judge decides if he truly has to turn over all the money or not.

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  44. I was busy typing my comment, while Patterico posted his. Yes, I have no desire to buy Bolten’s book either. If its at my local library, I may skim through it. From the reviews it appears to be a bore, except when its “unhinged”.

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  45. But doesn’t do you any good either, except giving patients false hopes. Sort of like laetrile.

    We’ll never read an apology for the fake news about it harming or killing people.

    Colonel Haiku (99ba6b)

  46. Supposedly, he won’t be able to profit by it, but of course Bolten will sue, blah blah, and it will drag on until yet another Judge decides if he truly has to turn over all the money or not.

    As usual, rcocean, what you say is not how it works.

    That will be decided by Judge Lamberth and not in a separate suit filed by Bolton. Bolton may appear but another suit to decide the controversy already being decided by Judge Lamberth is not going to happen.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  47. BTW, people need to read the District Judge’s opinion on the Bolten book. Basically, if the Judge’s analysis is correct, its almost impossible for the Government to stop a book being published because it has classified information. The US Government must show that any injunction will STOP irrevocable harm to the USA. And insanely, once the book has been published/widely circulated, you can’t prove that. “The horse is out of the barn”

    He didn’t say that, he said in this case, the horse is out of the barn, because it’s literally in living rooms around the country/world already. If the government had done it’s due diligence; before it was printed, after it was printed but before it was distributed, or after it was distributed, but before it was handed to readers, it’s a different story. But again, they didn’t. There is nothing in the book that should remotely be classified as secret. Again again, classified doesn’t mean what you think it means.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  48. The media talked about it every 3 minutes for weeks,

    Actually, they didn’t. I don’t remember a single ABC/NBC/CBS/PBS reporter asking Dr. Fauci, or their State Health experts, when he was going to denounce the protesters for not following the CDC guidelines. Of course with Trump, they ask him or the Press secretary every press conference, every day.

    Nor did the Press/Democrats denounce the protesters and express their GREAT CONCERN over the health issues caused by protesters. Nor did any Press/Democrats talk about how the “protesters are killing people” by their failure to follow the guidelines. Nor did any lawyer sue their state/city because the protesters were not following the health guidelines. What has Seattle done to enforce health guidelines in the CHAZ? Nothing.

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  49. You only have to compare the Press coverage of the “Lock-down Protesters” who were peaceful, to the un-peaceful Geroge Floyd protesters to see the difference.

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  50. Intel report warns that far-right extremists may target Washington, D.C.
    The Trump administration is warning law enforcement and public safety officials that a far-right extremist movement known as “boogaloo” may be setting its sights on the nation’s capital.

    On Monday, the National Capital Region Threat Intelligence Consortium (NTIC), a fusion center for Washington, D.C. that provides support to federal national security and law enforcement agencies, warned in an intelligence assessment that “the District is likely an attractive target for violent adherents of the boogaloo ideology due to the significant presence of US law enforcement entities, and the wide range of First Amendment-Protected events hosted here.”
    …….
    Separately on Friday, DHS published its own intelligence note assessing that “domestic terrorists advocating for the boogaloo very likely will take advantage of any regional or national situation involving heightened fear and tensions to promote their violent extremist ideology and call supporters to action.”
    …….
    Participants in the boogaloo movement generally identify as anarchist, pro-Second Amendment members of citizen-militias who are preparing for a second Civil War or American revolution, extremism experts say. …….

    The DHS note says boogaloo tactics “likely will be repeated in future similar incidents wherein domestic terrorists attempt to shut down or endanger government operations, judging from domestic terrorists’ continued calls for attacks.”
    …….
    To date, no federal charges have been filed against individuals linked to antifa—violent acts at Black Lives Matter protests, including setting police cars on fire, have been attributed to individuals with no clear political or ideological affiliation, according to charging documents.
    ……….

    Rip Murdock (212cb2)

  51. #47 I guess that’s the new (recycled) left-wing tactic. Just say made up crap, and also accuse others of doing the same thing. Its old Commie tactic, they used in the 30s and 40s. Accuse “the bourgeois enemy” of what you’re doing.

    All that’s missing is the Stalinist phrase: “As is well known,…”

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  52. We’ll never read an apology for the fake news about it harming or killing people.

    Who was so hurt that need an apology? When has Trump apologized for anything he has said? Don’t you know an apology is a sign of weakness?

    Rip Murdock (212cb2)

  53. Fake news from concern troll KARENs…

    Colonel Haiku (99ba6b)

  54. Isn’t it amazing the difference between Republicans and Democrats?

    Sandy Berger was Clinton’s NSA and was so devoted to the Clinton’s he went into the National Archives and STOLE DOCUMENTS. He literally took them and pushed them down his pants – like a common thief. Of course, he lied to it the FBI about it. Why? Not for personal gain but simply to protect the Clintons AFTER they’d left office.

    Meanwhile, Bolten is so disloyal and determined to hurt HIS President, that he writes a tell all book while Trump is in office and includes classified information AND violates his NDA agreement.

    The D’s lie and steal to PROTECT their President. The R’s lie and release classified to data to HURT their President.

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  55. Actually, they didn’t. I don’t remember a single ABC/NBC/CBS/PBS reporter asking Dr. Fauci, or their State Health experts, when he was going to denounce the protesters for not following the CDC guidelines. Of course with Trump, they ask him or the Press secretary every press conference, every day.

    So you watched a total of 2 minutes of coverage, cool. Again, again, a you not knowing problem, not a them not saying problem.

    #47 I guess that’s the new (recycled) left-wing tactic. Just say made up crap, and also accuse others of doing the same thing. Its old Commie tactic, they used in the 30s and 40s. Accuse “the bourgeois enemy” of what you’re doing.

    Yeah, you’re pretty good at it. What the judge actually said, not what you are claiming he said…

    “With hundreds of thousands of copies around the globe — many in newsrooms — the damage is done. There is no restoring the status quo”

    To remind you, your claim was.

    BTW, people need to read the District Judge’s opinion on the Bolten book. Basically, if the Judge’s analysis is correct, its almost impossible for the Government to stop a book being published because it has classified information. The US Government must show that any injunction will STOP irrevocable harm to the USA. And insanely, once the book has been published/widely circulated, you can’t prove that. “The horse is out of the barn”

    At no point did he say anything approaching that. So, again, again, again, you’re purely making it up.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  56. Trump and his supporters, still running against the Clintons, who live rent-free in their heads.

    Rip Murdock (212cb2)

  57. @39. Don’t confuse ‘popularity’ w/’entertaining.’

    “I’m not Trump– and get off my lawn!’ is not a winning strategy.

    JR Ewing beats George Wilson every time.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  58. The D’s lie and steal to PROTECT their President. The R’s lie and release classified to data to HURT their President.

    Some people met Bill Clinton and apparently liked him. Everyone that actually has to meet CheetoJeezus learns to despise him, and see him as a threat to the republic. Bolton is only the latest in a long, long, long, line.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  59. #52 If Trump ever apologized would the Democrats/Media accept it?

    LOL! They regard apologies from the Center-Right as confessions and it simply emboldens them to make additional attacks and more insults. That’s why trump will never apologize. No one on the Center-right should EVER apologize to a Democrat or a leftist.

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  60. Meanwhile, Bolten is so disloyal and determined to hurt HIS President, that he writes a tell all book while Trump is in office and includes classified information AND violates his NDA agreement.

    What never seems to occur to the Trump-sniffers is that Bolton was loyal to the Office of the President, not Trump the Unfit Idiot Baby. No court will go after Bolton for his NDA. The real question is whether he released classified information. A person with extensive experience in the NSC reviewed Bolton’s materials and signed off. The Trumpalista who made claims that Bolton released classified materials wasn’t even trained in dealing with classified information.

    Paul Montagu (d27749)

  61. Outside Trump’s Tulsa rally site, few face masks and no social distancing
    David Riniker says nothing scares him: not the cancer he was diagnosed with two years ago, and not attending an indoor campaign rally for President Donald Trump here amid a surge in coronavirus cases in Oklahoma.

    “I don’t fear anything. If today is the day I die, today is the day I die,” said Riniker, 62, who drove to Tulsa from his home in Arkansas earlier this week to attend what he said was his first political rally since Ronald Reagan was running for office. “I’m not paranoid, I’m not afraid.”
    ……..
    “I’m not stupid,” he said Friday, on the eve of Saturday’s rally. “I’m not going to jump in a den of snakes and sit in front of someone who is coughing uncontrollably. But I do have a mask just in case.”
    ……….
    .“…….If today is the day I die, today is the day I die…..”
    That’s the spirit!

    Rip Murdock (212cb2)

  62. LOL! They regard apologies from the Center-Right as confessions and it simply emboldens them to make additional attacks and more insults. That’s why trump will never apologize. No one on the Center-right should EVER apologize to a Democrat or a leftist.

    If you accidentally stepped on someone’s foot in the subway and you knew the foot belonged to a Democrat, would you refuse to do the decent thing and apologize because they are a Democrat?

    If you would refuse, you are declaring your willingness to engage in indecent behavior because of politics.

    If you wouldn’t refuse, then your capitalized “EVER” is hyperbole and you should retract and modify your statement.

    I understand the mindset that says people on the right (and many many people on the left, btw) are constantly being forced to apologize for things they did or said that were not wrong. That is true. If what they did or said was not wrong, they should not apologize. It never seems to help. The radical left does not forgive. Apologies make it worse.

    But people on the right do screw up too. When they do, they should apologize to those who were hurt by their screw-ups.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  63. Nothing to see here.

    Donald Trump was told in advance that Wikileaks would be releasing documents embarrassing to the Clinton campaign and subsequently informed advisors that he expected more releases would be coming, according to newly unredacted portions of special counsel Robert Mueller’s report into Russia’s interference in the 2016 election.

    In July 2016, political consultant Roger Stone told Trump as well as several campaign advisors that he had spoken with Julian Assange and that WikiLeaks would be publishing the documents in a matter of days. Stone told the then-candidate via speakerphone that he “did not know what the content of the materials was,” according to the newly unveiled portions of the report, and Trump responded “oh good, alright” upon hearing the news. WikiLeaks published a trove of some 20,000 emails Russians hacked from the Democratic National Committee on July 22 of that year.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  64. Dr. Vladimir (Zev) Zelenko
    @zev_dr

    Countries where hydroxychloroquine is taken regularly (due to risk of Malaria) happen to be the same countries where COVID-19 is the least widespread.

    https://twitter.com/zev_dr/status/1274409316720807939?s=20

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32373993/
    __ _

    harkin (9c4571)

  65. Russian fighter jets intercepts U.S. Air Force long-range heavy bombers
    Russia’s Eastern Military District fighter jets have been scrambled to intercept the U.S. Air Force B-52H long-range, heavy bombers, the Defense Ministry’s National Defense Control Center reported on Friday.

    “The Eastern MD air defense on-duty forces detected and took under surveillance two US Air Force’s B-52H bombers which were carrying out their flight over the neutral waters of the Sea of Okhotsk,” according to an update released by the Defense Ministry on Friday.

    To intercept the targets, which were caught up on the radars at a considerable distance from the Russian state borders, several Su-30, Su-35 fighters, and MiG-31 interceptors were deployed. Therefore, there have been no violations of the Russian state borders.
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (92268a)

  66. May be Trump fired Bergman to protect Dr. Zev……

    Rip Murdock (92268a)

  67. Biden Proves an Elusive Target, Adding to Trump’s Frustration
    When Senator Bernie Sanders lost the Democratic nomination and the economy collapsed this spring, two pillars of President Trump’s re-election strategy collapsed at the same time: his plan to run on prosperity and against a far-left opponent. But Mr. Trump’s campaign took comfort in the expectation that Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s penchant for gaffes would at least offer them dependable fodder for attack.

    The pandemic, and Mr. Biden’s play-it-safe campaign, however, have starved them of even that.
    …….
    …… Mr. Biden’s aides said they had no plans to stage the sort of rallies Mr. Trump will begin holding again Saturday — and which the president’s campaign had been counting on as the most reliable source of Biden gaffes.
    ……
    Part of Mr. Trump’s challenge owes to his own miscalculation. He believed he could recreate his race against Hillary Clinton by caricaturing Mr. Biden as a version of her — a fixture of the so-called “swamp” whose purported corruption would turn off voters.
    ……
    At some point he’s going to have to come out for air,” Mr. Trump said in an interview on Fox News this week, allowing that Mr. Biden’s cautious campaign has “been run beautifully.”

    The president’s comments betray more than just his frustration with how elusive a target Mr. Biden has been. They also represent an admission of how central the former vice president’s campaign trail performance is to Mr. Trump’s own strategy.
    ……..
    …….
    Now, with the president offering little in the way of a second-term agenda and smothering the news with his daily jeremiads against a rotating gallery of adversaries — on Friday it was a thinly veiled threat to Tulsa protesters — his campaign is struggling to turn the election from a referendum on the incumbent to the choice they’d prefer it be.
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (92268a)

  68. Trump on firing of Geoffrey Berman: ‘I’m not involved’
    …….
    ……. Trump said Saturday he wasn’t involved with the decision.

    “Well, that’s all up to the attorney general. Attorney General Barr is working on that,” Trump said on the South Lawn ahead of his departure for his rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma. “That’s his department, not my department. But we have a very capable attorney general so that’s really up to him. I’m not involved.”
    ……….
    Either Trump was involved, and is lying, or he just cut off Barr something and threw him under the bus.

    Rip Murdock (92268a)

  69. White woman- a Tulsa resident- w/tickets to Trump Rally arrested by Tulsa coppers on live TV for “trespassing’ by pray in street wearing ‘black lives matter’ shirt.

    Great television– and, of course, “entertaining”: Trump 101.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  70. Pelosi Orders Removal of Four Confederate Portraits From the House
    Speaker Nancy Pelosi ordered portraits of four speakers who served the Confederacy to be removed from the Capitol on Thursday, the latest in a wave of efforts across the country to purge public spaces of historic symbols associated with racism and oppression.
    ……
    “As I have said before, the halls of Congress are the very heart of our democracy,” Ms. Pelosi wrote in a letter to Ms. Johnson requesting the removal of the portraits. “There is no room in the hallowed halls of Congress or in any place of honor for memorializing men who embody the violent bigotry and grotesque racism of the Confederacy.”

    The portraits are of Robert M.T. Hunter of Virginia, Howell Cobb of Georgia, James L. Orr of South Carolina and Charles F. Crisp of Georgia. Mr. Crisp served in the Confederate Army as a young man and entered politics in the 1870s; the others were in Congress before the Civil War, and then held high civilian office in the Confederacy.

    …….[H]er efforts to remove statues of 11 Confederate officials and soldiers — including Jefferson Davis and Alexander Stephens, the president and vice president of the Confederate States of America — from the Capitol have been met with resistance. Current federal law gives states the power to remove a statue, as they are selected and donated by states for display in the Capitol, and top Republicans have indicated they believe states should maintain that responsibility.

    “Individuals who committed treason against the United States of America and led our nation into its most painful and bloody war to preserve the institution of slavery are not patriots and should not be afforded such a rare honor in this sacred space,” Senator Cory Booker, Democrat of New Jersey, said on Thursday in a speech on the Senate floor. “The continued presence of these statues in the halls of Congress is an affront not just to black Americans, but to the very ideals we as a nation proclaim, that we are a place of liberty and justice for all.”

    But when Mr. Booker tried to win unanimous approval of a bill to remove statues of Confederate officials from Capitol Hill, the move was blocked by Senator Roy Blunt, Republican of Missouri, who leads the bipartisan committee that oversees such requests.
    ………

    Rip Murdock (92268a)

  71. @70. Great. No honors for traitors.

    Now move the Holocaust Museum off The Mall in Washington to Nuremberg, Germany where it belongs.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  72. @71-
    Offended?

    Rip Murdock (92268a)

  73. @72. Not in the least; better uses for valuable wall space and real estate.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  74. @69. Correction- woman’s shirt read ‘I can’t breathe’ — still, entertaining.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  75. Trump Tulsa Rally; like white on Uncle Ben’s Original Long Grain Rice.

    Oh. Wait.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  76. Participants in the boogaloo movement generally identify as anarchist, pro-Second Amendment members of citizen-militias who are preparing for a second Civil War or American revolution, extremism experts say. …….

    If these guys want to bring more people to their deluded cause, they might want to choose a more inspiring name than “boogaloo”. You know, like patriot, or avenger, or militiamen. “Boogaloo” just sounds whacky.

    norcal (a5428a)

  77. Bill Kristol
    @BillKristol

    If you want to remove statues, get your city council to do so lawfully (or persuade private institutions to do so). Lincoln was right: mob rule is dangerous, and “there is something of ill-omen, amongst us. I mean the increasing disregard for law which pervades the country.”
    __ _

    He’s like, so close to the awakening, and yet still so far.
    _

    harkin (9c4571)

  78. Trump rally with 100k people today, 90k-95k of them are disguised as empty seats and air. The outdoor “overflow” area is being taken down now, since there are no actual people to flow into the over.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  79. “Trump rally with 100k people today, 90k-95k of them are disguised as empty seats and air. The outdoor “overflow” area is being taken down now, since there are no actual people to flow into the over.”

    Apparently the protester DCSCA mentioned earlier scared them all away.

    Davethulhu (9921df)

  80. Yeah, of the 3 entrances, several dozen BLMers went to one. The BLMers shut it down so much that Alex Jones was driving his armored SUV around through the streets unmolested.

    From the Trump campaign a minute ago.

    “The Great American Comeback Celebration’s almost here! Doors are OPEN at the BOK Center. Pres. Trump can’t wait.”

    “There’s still space!”

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  81. This guy is hoping to sell this, but he’s getting fired tomorrow.

    Brad Parscale @parscale 41m
    Radical protestors, fueled by a week of apocalyptic media coverage, interfered with
    @realDonaldTrump supporters at the rally.

    They even blocked access to the metal detectors, preventing people from entering.

    Thanks to the 1,000s who made it anyway!

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  82. OK, I’m going to look at the other piece of good news, besides Trump being beclowned by all the KPop teens requesting tickets I mean.

    This is a win for saving lives, that all the empty seats are in attendance will minimize the spread of the Covid, I’ll count that as a win.

    “You people are warriors, we had some very bad people outside” Some: an unspecified amount or number of.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  83. Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 6/20/2020 @ 12:16 pm

    Again, you’re making things up. The media talked about it every 3 minutes for weeks, that you don’t pay attention to it, that’s a you problem.

    Lie

    frosty (80b89b)

  84. If anyone knows the population of “CHAZ” I’d love to calculate the per capita murder rate in this socialist utopia/block party.

    Patrick (2111d5)

  85. In the zip code that it’s in, 98122 has 43k. So 1 in 43k as of today, not as bad as Minot North Dakota since inception a few weeks ago.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  86. Uhh, what now, I heard it but I didn’t believe it, but yes, he said it.

    TULSA, Okla. – President Donald Trump boasted of his administration’s response to the coronavirus pandemic and again blamed China for spreading the virus.

    Coronavirus cases have spiked in several states around the country, including in Oklahoma, the site of the rally. Local health officials had called for the rally to be postponed out of concern about the spread of the virus.

    “COVID. To be specific, COVID-19. That name gets further and further away from China, as opposed to calling it the Chinese virus,” he said. “We – I – did a phenomenal job with it.”

    Trump said he told his administration, “slow the testing down, please” reiterating his argument that higher test numbers led to higher case counts.

    He imitated a doctor talking about a 10-year-old with “sniffles” who would conclude “that’s a case!”

    The president said the governor of New Jersey told him only one person under the age of 18 died, which the president said shows that young people have a “great immune system”

    “Let’s open the schools please!” he said.

    If he did this on purpose, then impeach the mommytrucker.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  87. His act is wearing thin. I voted for him, hoping that he would be more dignified in office. Boy was I wrong.

    norcal (a5428a)

  88. Also…on a sunny day where there were cameras on said ramp, Trump is saying it’s all about his shoes. My wife thinks it’s because he’s got bad eyesight and is too ridiculously vain that he doesn’t want to wear glasses. That’s possible, it would fit. His spanx may have bunched up into the place where manhood normally goes too.

    Addressing the attention on his descent down a ramp at West Point, Trump told the rally the ramp was “like an ice skating rink.”

    Trump said he told a general he was wearing “leather bottom shoes,” which were “not good for ramps.”

    “No way I can make it down that ramp without falling on my ass.” Trump said he told the general. The stage was “higher than this one” in Oklahoma, he said.

    Anti-Trump groups seized on the moment and released ads insinuating the president’s health was in decline.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  89. https://therightscoop.com/ny-city-council-demands-the-bill-de-blasio-remove-thomas-jefferson-statue/

    They want to destroy all American history and replace it with their “socialist utopia.”

    NJRob (4d595c)

  90. https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/20/conservative-cowards-are-to-blame-for-falling-statues/

    Never thought David Marcus would get it, but he actually does. Now if everyone else could just see the truth before them.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  91. The unhinged left-wing mob is trying to vandalize our history, desecrating our monuments, our beautiful monuments, tear down our statues and punish, cancel and persecute anyone who does not conform to their demands for absolute and total control, we’re not conforming.

    They want to demolish our heritage so they can impose their new oppressive regime in its place. They want to defund and dissolve our police departments. Think of that.

    Save the history, Confederate States of America history, that is. You know, the one that started a war with this country, the United States of America, they were then defeated and subjugated. I don’t know who the “our” is that he’s referring to, still need to figure out how taking down a statue celebrating traitors and enemies changes history, though.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  92. Anti-Trump protesters ‘interfere’ with rally, campaign claims, as outdoor speeches canceled
    ……..
    ……. [A]reas outside the arena appeared to be sparsely populated about an hour before the president’s arrival.
    ……
    The president and campaign officials had said earlier that more than 1 million people requested tickets for the rally.

    Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale had boasted on Friday that the campaign built an auxiliary stage outdoors for the president to greet supporters who couldn’t get into the arena.

    Steve Schmidt, former campaign manager for John McCain in 2008 and a harsh critic of Mr. Trump, asserted that the Trump campaign was duped by anti-Trump teenagers requesting tickets.

    “My 16-year-old daughter and her friends in Park City, Utah, have hundreds of tickets,” Mr. Schmidt tweeted at Mr. Parscale minutes before the rally was set to begin. “You have been rolled by America’s teens. @realDonaldTrump.
    …….
    This is what happened tonight. I’m dead serious when I say this. The teens of America have struck a savage blow against @realDonaldTrump,” Mr. Schmidt said. “All across America teens ordered tickets to this event. The fools on the campaign bragged about a million tickets. lol. @ProjectLincoln.”
    ………

    Rip Murdock (89c78f)

  93. If he can’t come close to filling an arena in the reddest part of the country, after weeks of hype, there may be hope for America yet.

    Dave (1bb933)

  94. COVID-19 outbreak at Cruisin’ Chubbys strip club in Wisconsin Dells
    A COVID-19 outbreak has been confirmed at a strip club in Wisconsin Dells, according to the Juneau County Health Department.

    The health department reports two or more COVID-19 cases have been confirmed at Cruisin’ Chubbys Gentlemen’s Club at US Highway 12 and 16 in the Dells.

    Juneau County Health Department advises that if you visited Chubbys between June 10 and 14, you may have been exposed to COVID-19. If you are experiencing symptoms, the department asks you contact your health provider.
    ……..
    It’s that lack of social distancing.

    Rip Murdock (89c78f)

  95. The Donald has his groove back; Gaffer JoeyBee can never out talk Trump in a debate or otherwise.

    “Rally to me!” – Douglas MacArthur [Gregory Peck] ‘MacArthur’ 1977

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  96. ‘Steve Schmidt, former campaign manager for John McCain in 2008 and a harsh critic of Mr. Trump, asserted that the Trump campaign was duped by anti-Trump teenagers requesting tickets.’

    “Dirty Tricks” from an ex-GOPer and Lincoln Project founder??

    How very Donald Segretti. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  97. As long as they don’t te

    nk (1d9030)

  98. I was watching this but good lord, the dumpster fire of this speech is defeating me, the level of stupid is off the chart.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  99. @87. His act is wearing thin.

    So was JR Ewing’s after six episodes of Dallas– which ran 14 seasons.

    Trump will do 8.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  100. As long as they don’t tear down the statues of those great reminders of our glorious American history, Kaiser Wilhelm, Adolf Hitler, and Emperor Hirohito, we’ll be okay.

    nk (1d9030)

  101. Gaffer JoeyBee can never out talk Trump

    No doubt. But his strategy of not bothering is working. I’m far too biased to ever see Trump the way some people do, but the economy, the scandal, the fear, it’s bad out here. I don’t think Texas is going to go to Trump.

    Dustin (e3a6ae)

  102. @98. ‘the level of stupid is off the chart.’

    Ever seen ‘Married With Children’?

    “Stupid” gets ratings; “stupid” is entertaining.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  103. @96/-
    Nixonian dirty tricks? Please. Just some teenagers trolling the Troller in Chief. Pretty weak tea compared to Nixon.

    Rip Murdock (89c78f)

  104. @101. No doubt. But his strategy of not bothering is working.

    Until it doesn’t– and he has to open his mouth and gaffes.

    “The last time I saw a mouth like that, it had a hook in it.” – Al Czervik [Rodney Dangerfield] ‘Caddyshack’ 1980

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  105. @103. Republican all the same. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  106. Bill Kristol
    @BillKristol

    If you want to remove statues, get your city council to do so lawfully (or persuade private institutions to do so). Lincoln was right: mob rule is dangerous, and “there is something of ill-omen, amongst us. I mean the increasing disregard for law which pervades the country.”

    Dynamite idea, eh Herr Kristol?!:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTodK24KG6E

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  107. My “I can drink water with one hand” t-shirt has a lot of people asking questions that are already answered by the shirt.

    Davethulhu (9921df)

  108. @100. We’ll always have the Kaiser Roll, Adolf’s Meat Tenderizer– and sushi. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  109. @107. “Straw” poll? 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  110. I doubt if the fake registrations online had much, if anything, to do with it. Previously, his crowds would gather to overfill around the venue days before, and half of them turned away ticket or no ticket. I think that there just weren’t all that many people that thought hearing a couple of hours of Trump’s blather was worth a trip to Tulsa.

    nk (1d9030)

  111. Fox News Poll: Biden widens lead over Trump; Republicans enthusiastic, but fear motivates Dems
    ……..
    Biden supporters are far more likely to say fear that Trump might win is behind their vote choice (63 percent) than to say it is enthusiasm for Biden (31 percent). The opposite is true among those backing Trump, as almost twice as many of his supporters say enthusiasm is the motivation (62 percent) rather than fear Biden could win (33 percent).
    …….
    In the head-to-head matchup, the poll finds Biden leads Trump by a 50-38 percent margin. That 12-point advantage is statistically significant, and up from Biden’s 8-point lead last month (48-40 percent).
    …….
    Biden’s lead comes from the backing of black voters (+79 points over Trump), those under age 30 (+37), suburban areas (+22), women (+19), and voters ages 65+ (+10).

    Trump, on the other hand, is underperforming his vote share among key groups, such as white evangelical Christians (+41 points) and rural voters (+9). In 2016, he won white evangelicals by 64 points and rural areas by 27.
    …….
    Forty-seven percent say the phrase “cares about people like me” describes Biden compared to 37 percent who say it fits Trump.
    ………
    ………Biden is better liked. His favorable ratings are net positive by 9 points (53 favorable vs. 44 unfavorable), while Trump’s are net negative by 13 (43 favorable vs. 56 unfavorable).

    Among voters extremely interested in the election, Biden tops Trump by 53-42 percent.
    ……….
    Full results.

    Rip Murdock (89c78f)

  112. Forty-seven percent say the phrase “cares about people like me” describes Biden compared to 37 percent who say it fits Trump.

    Not enough rich people in the polling sample.

    nk (1d9030)

  113. @110. I think that there just weren’t all that many people that thought hearing a couple of hours of Trump’s blather was worth a trip to Tulsa.

    Tulsa?? Yeah, it’s not like ‘Luna-tic’ Trump was ‘bang-zoom,’ — going to the moon…

    “All the networks dumped us. One of them said we made going to the moon as exciting as taking a trip to Pittsburgh.” – PAO Henry Hurt [Xander Berkeley] ‘Apollo 13’ 1995

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  114. I see that white Progessives (Adam Schiff, Elizabeth Warren among others) are using BLM and such to replace African-American woman Jackie Lacy with white male George Gascón as L.A. County D.A., because Gascón is more pro-criminal.

    Apparently, Lacy didn’t charge police for shooting two men, one armed with a gun, the other seen on camera charging officers with a knife. Irony is not dead.

    https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-06-20/adam-schiff-drops-endorsement-jackie-lacey-la-county-district-attorneys-race

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  115. @111. And as soon as he opens his mouth, it’ll evaporate like spit on a hot sidewalk.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  116. Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 6/20/2020 @ 6:35 pm

    Mobs have vandalized statues of Jefferson, Washington, Columbus, St. Junipero Serra, Francis Scott Key, Matthias Baldwin and President Grant.

    But keep lying about how this is about confederates.

    frosty (f27e97)

  117. New 2020 Electoral College Ratings-Cook Political Report
    With just under five months until the election, President Trump is a severe underdog for re-election. Polls show that voters do not trust him to handle the two most pressing issues of the day — the coronavirus pandemic and race relations — which has helped drive his job approval to 41 percent. National polling averages show him losing to Joe Biden by 9 points.

    And, with every tweet, he only digs himself further into this hole.
    ……
    ……Trump’s floor remains incredibly steady. If the bottom hasn’t fallen out for Trump now, it’s hard to see that it ever will.
    …….
    Michigan moves from Toss Up to Lean Democrat, while Iowa and Ohio move from Likely Republican to a more competitive Lean Republican category.

    This means there are 248 Electoral votes in the Lean to Solid Democratic category and 204 Electoral votes in Lean to Solid Republican. There are 86 Electoral votes in Toss Up. To win the Electoral College, Biden would need to win just 26 percent of those Toss Up states/districts, while Trump would need to win over 75 percent of them. In other words, Trump has little room for error, while Biden has a wider path to winning.
    ……….

    Rip Murdock (89c78f)

  118. As we have seen on a couple of threads, here, today, Trump has one huge advantage over Biden that Biden will never overcome. Trump’s supporters share his memory deficits. Biden’s do not. For example:
    Trump supporters do not remember The Muslim Ban.
    They do not remember Sally Yates.
    They do not remember that she refused to enforce it.
    They do not remember that Trump fired her for it.
    They do not remember that he hired Rod Rosenstein to replace her.
    Before Sessions was confirmed as Attorney General.

    nk (1d9030)

  119. Joe Biden’s choice will probably determine the election. Given his advanced age and uncertain health, if he selects someone who is clearly unqualified just because they check the ethnic boxes and/or appeal to the hard Left, he will lose the support of the center. His current policy positions, particularly taxes and government involvement in the economy, are not appealing to the upper middle class which doesn’t much like Trump. Picking a face instead of a leader will harm him terribly.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  120. @115-
    Trump has sure proved that.

    Rip Murdock (89c78f)

  121. Trump supporters do not remember The Muslim Ban.

    What they don’t remember is that it didn’t work. As with all his other bluster.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  122. With just under five months until the election, President Trump is a severe underdog for re-election

    LOL

    http://www.thoughtco.com/dewey-defeats-truman-1778306

    At 10:14 a.m., Dewey conceded the election to Truman. Since the election results were a complete shock to the media, the Chicago Daily Tribune got caught with the headline “DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN.” The photograph with Truman holding aloft the paper has become one of the most famous newspaper photos of the century.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  123. @120-
    A completely different era in campaigns and polling.

    Rip Murdock (89c78f)

  124. 118.As we have seen on a couple of threads, here, today, Trump has one huge advantage over Biden that Biden will never overcome. Trump’s supporters share his memory deficits. Biden’s do not.

    They’ll be reminded– by Trump. JoeyBee’s plagiarism came up just tonight.

    And will again.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  125. President Grant.

    Really? The man whose army defeated the Confederacy, then presided over Reconstruction as president? Lincoln wept.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  126. With just under five months until the election, President Trump is a severe underdog for re-election

    Reagan was trailing badly 5 months before, too.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  127. We’ll see.

    Rip Murdock (89c78f)

  128. But keep lying about how this is about confederates.

    Those were the words from Donald Trump’s mouth. He said it, his words. You can try to divert all you want, his words.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  129. Next they’ll topple Thaddeus Stevens, assuming there are statues to him somewhere.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  130. Mobs have vandalized statues of Jefferson, Washington, Columbus, St. Junipero Serra, Francis Scott Key, Matthias Baldwin and President Grant.

    Like Mr. William Shakespeare’s play Coriolanus said, Mr. frosty: When you burn the chaff, you can’t avoid burning a few grains of wheat along with it. The military calls it collateral damage. Before, they called it overkill.

    I just found out about that. That before it was collateral damage it was overkill. Did you all know that and didn’t tell me?

    nk (1d9030)

  131. he Trump administration is warning law enforcement and public safety officials that a far-right extremist movement known as “boogaloo” may be setting its sights on the nation’s capital.

    If four of them show up, it will make headlines coast-to-coast as “Trump’s dangerous Nazi allies”, even if they are beat to death by 400 masked Antifa goons, who won’t be mentioned.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  132. If he can’t come close to filling an arena in the reddest part of the country, after weeks of hype, there may be hope for America yet.

    Let’s see Biden fill up an arena in NYC.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  133. As far as Trump v Biden … Covid-19 hear my prayer.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  134. @123. It’s results that matter; ask HRC. She was consistently ‘polling’ ahead– until she lost.

    People lie to pollsters. The day JoeyBee sweetens the ticket w/some brown sugar is the day he loses; white males will lie like rugs to pollsters saying they’ll vote for a ticket which will likely have a black woman in the Oval given JoeyBee’s declining mental and physical condition.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  135. Here’s a question for everyone: What will be this election’s October surprise? North Korea launches an ICBM or re-starts nuclear testing? Iran publicly breaks out of the nuclear restrictions and tests a bomb? Major domestic or international terrorist attack? A political scandal? Double dip recession? COVID-19 second wave?

    Rip Murdock (89c78f)

  136. @132. Let’s see JoeyBee fill a bathtub, a coffee cup or a ‘motorman’s friend.’

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  137. What will be this election’s October surprise?

    JoeyBee will have a medical emergency; he has had brain surgery before.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  138. @131-
    So far the Feds can’t seem to find any phantom Antifas to indict. Why is that?

    Rip Murdock (89c78f)

  139. If four of them show up, it will make headlines coast-to-coast as “Trump’s dangerous Nazi allies”, even if they are beat to death by 400 masked Antifa goons, who won’t be mentioned.

    These booger bois worry me way more, they’re radicalized, isolated cells, only connected via 4chan, reddit, and private facebook groups, and they don’t actually care about who they kill.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  140. I think Trump will have an empathy transplant.

    Rip Murdock (89c78f)

  141. “Next they’ll topple Thaddeus Stevens, assuming there are statues to him somewhere.”

    There must be, otherwise how would you know about him?

    Davethulhu (9921df)

  142. What will be this election’s October surprise?

    He fires Pence from the campaign and tries to replace him after the fact with Nikki Haley, who refuses, and is subsequently replaced on the ticket with Diamond and Silk.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  143. Whatever it is, it will be petty, tawdry, and banal. This is not a heroic age.

    nk (1d9030)

  144. Not enough rich people Russians in the polling sample.

    Fixed.

    Dave (1bb933)

  145. Kevin, you will be glad to know there that Stevens has one statue in existence and one in the planninf stages. There’s one at his grave in Lancaster.
    https://www.explorefranklincountypa.com/home/event/lancaster-the-thaddeus-stevens-society-dinner-and-annual-graveside-ceremony/

    And one is planned for Gettysburg, where he lived and practiced law before getting into Congress.
    https://lancasteronline.com/features/statue-of-thaddeus-stevens-commissioned-for-installation-in-gettysburg/article_264d67dc-dc4e-11e9-a884-cb5a051d2269.html

    Kishnevi (51f52a)

  146. Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 6/20/2020 @ 7:50 pm

    Those were the words from Donald Trump’s mouth. He said it, his words. You can try to divert all you want, his words.

    And yet, for some strange reason nothing you quoted mentioned the confederacy. I don’t have to divert anything. Do you imagine any statements about the confederacy in what you quoted? Did he say it in some part of the speech you didn’t quote?

    It’s hard to tell sometimes if you are lying, gaslighting, or just loosely connected to reality.

    frosty (f27e97)

  147. What will be this election’s October surprise?

    Following a dramatic late-October summit in Pyongyang, Trump will flash thumbs-up while standing next to a North Korean ICBM and Kim Jong-Un’s sister will tearfully accuse Biden of raping her as a child.

    Dave (1bb933)

  148. Then Trump will spoil it all when he grabs her pu**y.

    nk (1d9030)

  149. “If four of them show up, it will make headlines coast-to-coast as “Trump’s dangerous Nazi allies”, even if they are beat to death by 400 masked Antifa goons, who won’t be mentioned.”

    How many people have the Boogaloos killed, vs antifa?

    Davethulhu (9921df)

  150. And yet, for some strange reason nothing you quoted mentioned the confederacy. I don’t have to divert anything. Do you imagine any statements about the confederacy in what you quoted? Did he say it in some part of the speech you didn’t quote?

    It’s hard to tell sometimes if you are lying, gaslighting, or just loosely connected to reality.

    So you didn’t actually listen to his speech? You haven’t read/watched/heard the words that came from his face hole, huh? Tonight, this week, last month, 2017, it’s not like it’s news.
    That’s totally believable, why know something when you can just hope that your FEELZ are on target. FEELZ over facts, Trump2020.

    By the way Frosty, what do you call the good guy marching with 9 klansmen?

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  151. How many people have the Boogaloos killed, vs antifa?

    I believe that the booger bois up 2-0, well this month for the boogs vs all the times for the other folks, plus they have 7 this month for terrorism.

    Also, being less bad than the booger bois doesn’t make them good guys.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  152. @119. Apparently Aunt Jemima is tanned, rested, ready– and of late, available.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  153. Joe Scarborough
    @JoeNBC

    This has all the energy of Yeltsin’s ‘96 campaign.
    __ _

    Stephen L. Miller
    @redsteeze

    Does this mean you won’t be having him on your show to do call in interviews 4 days a week this time?
    __ _

    KARMA ☯ SISTARegistered sign
    @KarmaCafe2017
    ·
    Has Joe S had Joe B on his radio show?
    __ _

    Sound the Dread Alarm
    @_ThisJustin_
    ·
    He’d have Biden on 4 times a week instead but poor Joe isn’t mentally viable that many minutes a week.
    __ _

    Eric Ferber
    @Eric_Ferber
    ·
    Yeltsin won re-election.

    __ _

    harkin (9c4571)

  154. like mr. president abraham lincoln, who never did as much for america as mr. president donald trump has, said:

    you can fool all of the trumpkins some of the time

    and you can fool some of the trumpkins all of the time

    but in either case are they worth the bother?

    let’s have some meatloaf and chocolate cake a la mode

    nk (1d9030)

  155. mr donald our president who has done more for christians than jesus can fool all the trumpkins all the time because they want to be fooled

    its obvious to anyone willing to do the analysis

    Dave (1bb933)

  156. Love the happyfeet impressions!

    That guy is a living legend.

    norcal (a5428a)

  157. Lawyers and pos never trumpers attempting to take away our guns have only succeeded in taking Elmer Fudds gun.

    mg (8cbc69)

  158. I can not put up a Trump/Pence sign in my yard because I am afraid one of you never trumpers will drive by and shoot at my house with my family inside.. You people suc.

    mg (8cbc69)

  159. Lawyers have made justice another yard sign slogan.
    Pathetic.

    mg (8cbc69)

  160. The constitution says we all matter. But lawyers figured out long ago it was bothersome document, best talked about, rarely referred to.

    mg (8cbc69)

  161. Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 6/20/2020 @ 8:46 pm

    So, imagined with some gaslighting thrown in.

    I watched part of the speech and I read the transcript just to see if I missed the mention of the confederacy that you saw.

    You’ve got a consistent pattern. You tell a lie, if called on it you double down, and if called again you make a personal attack. These FEELZ you keep bringing up is you projecting.

    The confederate statues were just the beginning. I said at the time it wouldn’t end there or accomplish anything other than making things worse. It didn’t end there and it’s worse. It’s the way of the marxist. What do you call the 1 person who walks with the 999 marxists?

    frosty (f27e97)

  162. Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 6/20/2020 @ 8:56 pm

    Over time marxists end up with the highest body count. Along the way they seem to get a lot of help from people pretending nothing is going on. I think the mostly peaceful protests have a body count around 20.

    frosty (f27e97)

  163. “You are so lucky I’m president, that’s all I can tell you.” – Donald Trump, June 20

    Dave (1bb933)

  164. Rip Murdock (89c78f) — 6/20/2020 @ 8:01 pm

    So far the Feds can’t seem to find any phantom Antifas to indict. Why is that?

    They found these three.

    frosty (f27e97)

  165. I watched part of the speech and I read the transcript just to see if I missed the mention of the confederacy that you saw.

    Here’s the statue of a Confederate general in Washington, DC, whose removal Trump lamented yesterday:

    “Again, they ripped down a statue that was 110 years old, beautiful piece of art in front of the police precinct with our radical left mayor watching on television.”

    He also tweeted yesterday:

    “The D.C. police are not doing their job as they watch a statue be ripped down & burn. These people should be immediately arrested. A disgrace to our Country!”

    The DC police noted that being located on national park property, “the statue is under federal jurisdiction and protected by law enforcement agencies the Trump administration oversees.”

    In 1898, Union Army veterans protested against installation of the statue, calling it a disgrace to the memories of all Union soldiers. The subject was also reputed to be a member of the Ku Klux Klan.

    In the years following, it was used as a rallying point for white supremacist organizations like the “United Daughters of the Confederacy”.

    Dave (1bb933)

  166. Here are some early reports on Trump’s rally, which was more fizzle, less sizzle.

    From the New York Times:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/trumps-tulsa-rally-fizzles-as-seats-go-empty/ar-BB15LsJW?ocid=spartandhp

    From the Washington Post:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/5-takeaways-from-trumps-tulsa-rally/ar-BB15LTiv?ocid=spartandhp

    Even Drudge ridiculed the rally.
    drudgereport.com/

    Love that headline, “MAGA Less Mega.” Drudge has a way with words. I laughed at the link where Pink slams Trump, saying she sold out the same venue in “five minutes.”

    No, I didn’t watch the rally on television, just read reports about it. Photos in the links above show thousands of empty seats. Two-thirds capacity for a Trump rally? In a small venue that only seats 19,000, no less. One Times reporter, Maggie Haberman, tweeted she hadn’t seen so many empty seats at a Trump rally in years.

    Hey, when I saw Black Sabbath play in San Antonio on the Never Say Die tour in 1978, they totally packed the Hemisphere Arena. That’s an even smaller venue than DOK, 15,000 seats, but there had to be like 45,000 crammed in for the concert. It was like every heavy metal freak in four states descended upon San Antonio to see Black Sabbath, standing room only, and the standing room was full. Every seat, every aisle, in between rows and around the balcony, it was incredible.

    I saw Elvis Presley perform in the Hemisphere Arena in 1972, and not even he could draw a crowd like that. And it was one hell of a concert.

    Van Halen opened on their first album tour, and they sucked. There had been all these stories about Van Halen showing up Black Sabbath at concerts in rock magazines and the news. They were the new rock artists, while Black Sabbath were the dinosaurs. Not at this event.

    You have to understand, San Antonio was the heavy metal capital of the world, and Black Sabbath were heavy metal gods. That’s why the Arena was so crowded.

    Van Halen came out, and David Lee Roth must have been on quaaludes or something, because he couldn’t remember the song list. He kept singing the wrong words to a song, and the band had to stop and start over. Then, dancing around, he tripped over a microphone stand, slid across the stage and bashed his head on an amplifier. They were booed off the stage, didn’t finish their set.

    Then Black Sabbath came out to the roar of the crowd. They started their set, but about 15 minutes into it, Tony Iommi’s amp blew out, probably because it had been disconnected by Roth’s stupid head.

    Ozzy Osbourne said that Bill Ward would entertain us with a drum solo, while the technicians fixed the amplifier. And he did, for 15 minutes, then Geezer Butler came out and joined him in an improvisational jazz bass and drum solo. There are no recordings of it, but it was impressive. Butler would do a bass riff, Ward would do a drum riff, and they played together for 30 minutes.

    No one left. Finally, Iommi’s amp was fixed, and Ozzy came out and said, “Disco sucks!” Then they started their second set.

    This in front of the largest attendance at the Hemisphere Arena, in the heavy metal capital of the world. They had something to prove, and they proved it. I was there, I saw it. Black Sabbath played for two hours, and they were excellent; afterwards, there were “Disco Sucks” t-shirts being sold all over the country within a week.

    This is what I’m talking about. The record for the largest bank audience, that is for paying customers, over 200,000, was set by Queen, at a soccer stadium in Brazil. That record, at the same stadium, was later broken by KISS, then by Alice Cooper. Yeah, Alice Cooper holds the record for the largest bank audience in history. When Simon and Garfunkel performed a free concert in Central Park, there were about 500,000 attendees, but none of them had to buy a ticket.

    Trump has a wet dream that he can draw that kind of crowd. He’s not an entertainer, he’s an irritator.

    Campaign managers (idiots that they are) told him they were expecting over-capacity. So they set up this outdoor stage so Trump and Pence could address the thousands of supporters who couldn’t get in to the rally. Well, that was cancelled, because of low turn out.

    The campaign blames protesters for blocking entry to the rally, but videos show no evidence of that.

    What these Trumpsters don’t want to admit is that he couldn’t fill a small venue to full capacity. His speech, from what I’ve read, was incoherent. He’s fighting the last war, the last election.

    None of that will get him re-elected. That’s why he’s lasing out.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  167. Dave (1bb933) — 6/21/2020 @ 6:28 am

    This is just ridiculous reindeer games. A quote was given and the claim made that it referenced the confederacy. The quote didn’t reference the confederacy and it was made after a variety of statues have been vandalized. This is a dog whistle only heard by racists.

    If you’re in favor of mobs tearing down all historical statues just own it.

    frosty (f27e97)

  168. Tulsa was a disaster. 2/3 empty, when Trump said there would be no empty seats. 6200 people. Some heads will surely roll. He seemed a little off, a tiny bit less energetic, a little cranky. The water drinking was a hit though. The Trumpsters seem more eager than ever to flush Joe out from his basement. Desperate even.

    JRH (52aed3)

  169. JRH (52aed3) — 6/21/2020 @ 7:01 am

    How is keeping a presidential candidate at home a good thing? Besides the obvious problems that couldn’t be ignored the more you let him speak or put him in a setting that is remotely challenging?

    frosty (f27e97)

  170. How is keeping a presidential candidate at home a good thing? Besides the obvious problems that couldn’t be ignored the more you let him speak or put him in a setting that is remotely challenging?

    That’s a good point, the more Trump gets out, the more you see it. If he just stayed in his bunker and quit tweeting he’d not be getting schlonged by Joe Biden, at least probably not in freefall.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  171. Dave (1bb933) — 6/21/2020 @ 6:28 am

    This is just ridiculous reindeer games. A quote was given and the claim made that it referenced the confederacy. The quote didn’t reference the confederacy and it was made after a variety of statues have been vandalized. This is a dog whistle only heard by racists.

    If you’re in favor of mobs tearing down all historical statues just own it.

    frosty (f27e97) — 6/21/2020 @ 6:56 am

    I’m not in favor of Mobs tearing down anything.
    I’m not in favor of statues that celebrate General Nathan Bedford Forrest being up any longer than it takes to complete the process of removing them, paperwork included.

    Both of them irritate me.

    I think the left needs to get some F&^8ing leadership going and bring order to this. It seems like Biden (or someone else) could pick a few easy examples of statues of horrible men established to celebrate white supremacy in the early 20th century. They could then bring a lot of attention and pressure to bear and get them removed quickly. Demonstrating that legal methods work they could tell the a$$hole vandals to knock it off and bring this dispute about monuments back into the political process.

    Heck maybe they get creative and put things in context. Leave a statue of Lee up but make it clear what kind of slave owner he personally was.

    Wesley Norris was one of the men flogged at by Lee for trying to escape slavery

    I remained with Gen. Lee about seventeen months, when my sister Mary, a cousin of ours, and I determined to run away, which we did in the year 1859; we had already reached Westminster, in Maryland, on our way to the North, when we were apprehended and thrown into prison, and Gen. Lee notified of our arrest; we remained in prison fifteen days, when we were sent back to Arlington; we were immediately taken before Gen. Lee, who demanded the reason why we ran away; we frankly told him that we considered ourselves free; he then told us he would teach us a lesson we never would forget; he then ordered us to the barn, where in his presence, we were tied firmly to posts by a Mr. Gwin, our overseer, who was ordered by Gen. Lee to strip us to the waist and give us fifty lashes each, excepting my sister, who received but twenty; we were accordingly stripped to the skin by the overseer, who, however, had sufficient humanity to decline whipping us; accordingly Dick Williams, a county constable was called in, who gave us the number of lashes ordered; Gen. Lee, in the meantime, stood by, and frequently enjoined Williams to “lay it on well,” an injunction which he did not fail to heed; not satisfied with simply lacerating our naked flesh, Gen. Lee then ordered the overseer to thoroughly wash our backs with brine, which was done.

    Let’s put a statue of that up next to the ones of him looking regal on a horse.
    Let’s also put up the names of the people that paid for and advocated to put up the heroic ones.

    If it’s about our history, let’s tell all of it.

    Time123 (457a1d)

  172. George Soros conspiracy theories surge as protests sweep US
    ……

    (George) Soros, 89, has donated billions of dollars of his personal wealth to liberal and anti-authoritarian causes around the world, making him a favored target among many on the right. The Hungarian-American, who is Jewish, has also been the subject of anti-Semitic attacks and conspiracy theories for decades.
    …….

    The Institute for Strategic Dialogue, a London think tank focused on extremism and polarization, found an even more pronounced jump on Facebook, where there were 68,746 mentions of Soros in May. The previous record of 38,326 Soros mentions was in October 2018, when angry posts alleged he was helping migrant caravans headed to the U.S.
    ………
    ……. Some insist Soros financed the protests, while others say he colluded with police to fake Floyd’s death last month. But all available evidence suggests the protests are what they seem: gatherings of thousands of Americans upset about police brutality and racial injustice.
    ……..
    A look at some of the claims:

    — Soros pays protesters. No evidence has been presented to suggest demonstrators were paid by Soros or his organizations. …….
    — Soros pays to transport protesters. …….
    — Soros organizes stashing piles of bricks near protests. ……..

    Experts who study conspiracy theories say the new claims about Soros are a way to delegitimize the protests and the actual reasons behind them. Some see anti-Semitism, or a new spin on the age-old hoax that a shadowy cabal of rich men — whether it’s the Illuminati, the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers, Bill Gates or Soros — is manipulating world events.
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (e55d19)

  173. Trump’s campaign was trolled by TikTok users in Tulsa
    President Donald Trump didn’t fill his rally arena to the more than 19,000-person capacity Saturday night, despite bragging about 1 million RSVP’s to his Tulsa, Oklahoma, return to the campaign trail.

    Many of those who asked for tickets may have been trolling the President — in a stunt organized mainly through the social media platform TikTok.
    ………
    A coordinated effort was underway on TikTok in the days leading up to Trump’s Saturday rally, encouraging people to register online for the free event and not show up. TikTok is normally thought of as a platform for dancing teenagers and not, necessarily, political action.
    ………
    While the TikTok effort seems to have overwhelmingly involved teens and other young people, Mary Jo Laupp, a 51-year-old grandmother living in Fort Dodge, Iowa, appears to have played a central role in encouraging people to go to Trump’s website, register to attend the event — and not attend.

    “All of those of us that want to see this 19,000 seat auditorium barely filled or completely empty go reserve tickets now and leave him standing alone there on the stage,” Laupp told her then-1,000 or so followers on TikTok.
    ………
    The Trump campaign dismissed the effort last week. ………

    Rip Murdock (e55d19)

  174. They found these three.

    To pick one, frosty, where is the confirmation that Ms. Shader is Antifa, because I’m not seeing it. There’s a similar lack of evidence for Rahman and Mattis.

    Paul Montagu (d27749)

  175. The Confederacy Was an Antidemocratic, Centralized State
    ……. [T]he Confederacy is not part of “our American heritage,” as President Donald Trump recently claimed, nor should it stand as a libertarian symbol of small government and resistance to federal tyranny. For the four years of its existence, until it was forced to surrender, the Confederate States of America was a pro-slavery nation at war against the United States. The C.S.A. was a big, centralized state, devoted to securing a society in which enslavement to white people was the permanent and inherited condition of all people of African descent.

    The Confederates built an explicitly white-supremacist, pro-slavery, and antidemocratic nation-state, dedicated to the principle that all men are not created equal. ……[T]hey sought the kind of future for human slavery and conservative republican government that was no longer possible within the United States. This is the cause that the statues honor.
    ………
    Whatever way you look at it, it is impossible to turn this history and its leading figures into a part of American heritage. Founded in an act of treason against the government its leaders had sworn to protect and serve, the Confederate States of America and its white-supremacist government waged a four-year war against the United States of America and the principles Americans value most highly.

    This is the cause that Confederate statues commemorate. This is why white supremacists arrive armed to prevent their removal, as they did in Charlottesville, Virginia, in 2015……
    …….

    Rip Murdock (e55d19)

  176. CJR
    @CJR

    At CJR, we capitalize Black, and not white, when referring to racial groups. Black is an ethnic designation; white merely describes the skin color of people who can trace their ethnic origins back to a handful of European countries.
    __ _

    lolol
    _

    harkin (9c4571)

  177. “ Tulsa was a disaster. 2/3 empty, when Trump said there would be no empty seats.”

    The Woke mob decided to flood the reservation requests with fake intent.

    Just practicing fraud for the upcoming mail-in ballots.
    _

    harkin (9c4571)

  178. Paul Montagu (d27749) — 6/21/2020 @ 9:00 am

    Yep, just not seeing it. I get it. Two people were shot and one of them died in CHAZ. They haven’t found the killer but, statistically speaking, it can’t be antifa for reasons. At a BLM protest in England several people were killed by a Libyan cutlery enthusiast. No mention of whether he was wearing a Hawaiian shirt but keep hope alive.

    frosty (f27e97)

  179. “They haven’t found the killer but, statistically speaking, it can’t be antifa for reasons.”

    Antifa doesn’t have any history of shooting people. Your boogaloo boys do.

    Davethulhu (9921df)

  180. This is just ridiculous reindeer games. A quote was given and the claim made that it referenced the confederacy. The quote didn’t reference the confederacy and it was made after a variety of statues have been vandalized.

    Not once, but twice yesterday, the president bemoaned the removal of a specific statue of a so-called Confederate (i.e. traitor) and reputed Klansman from the nation’s capital.

    This is a dog whistle only heard by racists.

    I agree – he didn’t need to come right out and say “confederate” because the white supremacists he was talking to would know exactly what he meant.

    Dave (1bb933)

  181. Two people were shot and one of them died in CHAZ. They haven’t found the killer but, statistically speaking, it can’t be antifa for reasons.

    Noted, your tacit acknowledgement that your link doesn’t prove what you claimed, so you changed the subject to the murder in the CHOP, for which your comment is all allegation and zero fact.

    At a BLM protest in England several people were killed by a Libyan cutlery enthusiast.

    Squirrel comment noted.

    Paul Montagu (d27749)

  182. TikTok Teens and K-Pop Stans Say They Sank Trump Rally

    “It spread mostly through Alt TikTok — we kept it on the quiet side where people do pranks and a lot of activism,” said the YouTuber Elijah Daniel, 26, who participated in the social media campaign. “K-pop Twitter and Alt TikTok have a good alliance where they spread information amongst each other very quickly. They all know the algorithms and how they can boost videos to get where they want.”

    Many users deleted their posts after 24 to 48 hours in order to conceal their plan and keep it from spreading into the mainstream internet. “The majority of people who made them deleted them after the first day because we didn’t want the Trump campaign to catch wind,” Mr. Daniel said. “These kids are smart and they thought of everything.”

    Nevertheless, soon-to-be former Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale insists it never happened:

    “Leftists and online trolls doing a victory lap, thinking they somehow impacted rally attendance, don’t know what they’re talking about or how our rallies work,” Mr. Parscale said in a statement on Sunday. “Registering for a rally means you’ve RSVPed with a cellphone number and we constantly weed out bogus numbers, as we did with tens of thousands at the Tulsa rally, in calculating our possible attendee pool.”

    Dave (1bb933)

  183. Tom Petty’s family send Trump a C&D order

    The family of the late Tom Petty has filed a cease and desist notice to the Trump campaign after one of the musician’s songs was played at the President’s campaign rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

    Petty’s 1989 hit “I Won’t Back Down” was played on Saturday evening at the rally, which drew a smaller-than-expected crowd of supporters.

    “Trump was in no way authorized to use this song to further a campaign that leaves too many Americans and common sense behind,” the family said in a tweet Saturday.

    “Both the late Tom Petty and his family firmly stand against racism and discrimination of any kind. Tom Petty would never want a song of his used for a campaign of hate. He liked to bring people together,” according to the tweet.

    Dave (1bb933)

  184. Dave (1bb933) — 6/21/2020 @ 9:50 am

    I agree – he didn’t need to come right out and say “confederate” because the white supremacists he was talking to would know exactly what he meant.

    Earlier in the speech he mentioned non-confederate examples and I didn’t associate the DC comment with a confederate statue. Between the two of us you were the only one that heard that dog whistle.

    frosty (f27e97)

  185. Paul Montagu (d27749) — 6/21/2020 @ 10:06 am

    The subject was antifa and BLM violence, and marxist violence generally. I gave you more examples of it, including the one you’re “not seeing”. But sure, the streets are full of people in Hawaiian shirts causing violence and chaos. Be worried about that.

    frosty (f27e97)

  186. #166
    I’ve read that a-Ha set a record for a ticketed audience at Rock in Rio in 1991, apparently acknowledged in the Guinness Book of Records, and while some say it stood for 26 years, that seems to be questionable.
    https://www.theticketingbusiness.com/2017/06/29/vasco-rossi-break-concert-attendance-world-record/

    Anyway, they said the press ignored them even though they had the biggest crowd at the event. And Wiki doesn’t even mention them in its list of biggest ticketed concerts, which is an outrage. Usually I don’t think there’s much of a correlation between “most popular” and “best,” but a-Ha is actually a very good band.

    Radegunda (89f220)

  187. The subject was antifa and BLM violence, and marxist violence generally.

    Rip said, “So far the Feds can’t seem to find any phantom Antifas to indict,” and you challenged his comment with basically bupkes. So, uh, thanks for that confirmation. It helps me evaluate your credibility going forward.

    Paul Montagu (d27749)

  188. Hey, thanks for the link telling me the Southern Confederacy was a bad idea. Fascinating. What a change from all the Pro-Confederacy news stories available 24/7 on ABC/NBC/CBS/CNN/FOX/PBS and in the WaPo/NYT.

    Next, Rip gives us story telling us Hitler was problematic.

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  189. Trump rallies in red-state America — and faces a sea of empty blue seats
    He threatened violence against protesters, endangered his supporters by flouting health recommendations and endured a 110-day, coronavirus-induced dry spell, but when President Trump finally stepped back onto his rally stage Saturday night in Tulsa, he saw a sea of blue seats.

    The thousands of empty arena chairs, after his campaign had hyped overflow crowds and ticket requests totaling more than 1 million, symbolized the beleaguered state of Trump’s presidency and of his quest to win a second term.
    ……
    Trump belittled the seriousness of the coronavirus, mocked health experts and recalled, “I said to my people, ‘Slow the testing down,’ ” because as more tests are conducted, more infections are discovered. ……

    …… Trump used his bully pulpit to exacerbate the chaos and division in hopes of capitalizing on the nation’s fraying bonds. He condemned what he called “this cruel campaign of censorship” and, in reference to the debate over removing monuments and memorials to Confederate generals, declared: “They want to demolish our heritage. . . . We have a great heritage. We’re a great country.”
    ………
    ……..[H]e has yet to present a comprehensive governing plan to end the pandemic, provide long-term relief for the millions of people who are unemployed or address the burgeoning civil rights movement with significant action.
    ……..
    Relative to the campaign’s expectations, this was a humiliation. After campaign manager Brad Parscale touted that more than 1 million people had requested tickets to the Tulsa rally, Trump told reporters on Monday: “We expect to have, you know, it’s like a record-setting crowd. We’ve never had an empty seat. And we certainly won’t in Oklahoma.”
    …….
    Biden has called Trump reckless for hitting the campaign trail even as the virus continues to spread.

    “Now he’s just flat surrendering the fight” against the pandemic, Biden said Wednesday in Darby, Pa. “Instead of leading the charge to defeat the virus, he just basically waved a white flag and has retreated. ……”
    …..
    Trump’s aides said there is an ongoing discussion that verges on a debate among the political team about how to hold rallies this summer and whether to stage them at open-air venues, such as airport tarmacs or hangars, or indoor arenas, whose stadium-style seating makes crowds appear swelling and raucous on television.

    Another point of tension is the choice of locales, with some Trump aides wanting to send the president only to battleground states and others keen to venture into reliably Republican states such as Oklahoma, where he can draw a big crowd and galvanize his base.
    …….

    Rip Murdock (a282c2)

  190. #171 The story of Robert E. Lee whipping a slave was dis-proven 150 years ago, but what does it matter? Lee is being erased from History, not because he was falsely charged with whipping a slave, but because he was a Confederate.

    Judah Benjamin was a Jewish slave holder, and didn’t whip any slaves. Will his statue stay up? Doubtful.

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  191. Here’s unemployed Rip, posting Right after I do. LOL. Do you just camp out here all day?

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  192. @181-
    Missed you rcocean, glad you’re back. A lot of people (including the President and his supporters) need reminding, or got their ideas of the Confederacy from the movies.

    Rip Murdock (a282c2)

  193. I’d post some more, but i actually have a life.

    rcocean (fcc23e)

  194. @191-rcocean

    Rip is not unemployed, he has been working through the pandemic. The fact I post after you is pure coincidence. I post what I’m interested in, I will let you know when I’m responding to you.

    Rip Murdock (a282c2)

  195. R.I.P. Jim Kiick, 1/3 of one of most devastating backfields in NFL history and another Jersey guy Rutgers had no chance at keeping in-state.

    urbanleftbehind (d5e96f)

  196. @193-
    Must be pretty sad.

    Rip Murdock (a282c2)

  197. @190, can you substantiate that it was disproven?

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  198. Also, he’s not being erased from history as you melodramatically put it. Statues that honor and glorify him are being taken down. His name will still live on in infamy.

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  199. New daily cases have hit records in 12 states, and the White House acknowledges preparing for a fall wave.
    Peter Navarro, the White House director of trade and manufacturing policy, said in an interview on Sunday that the White House was working to prepare for the possibility of a second wave of the coronavirus in the fall, though he said it wouldn’t necessarily come.

    “We are filling the stockpile in anticipation of a possible problem in the fall,” Mr. Navarro told Jake Tapper on the CNN program “State of the Union.” “We’re doing everything we can.”

    The comments come in contrast to President Trump’s repeated assertions that the virus will “go away” and his questioning of its ability to last into the fall and winter.
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (a282c2)

  200. Peter *freaking* Navarro is the voice of reason in this administration…

    God help us.

    Dave (1bb933)

  201. Paul Montagu (d27749) — 6/21/2020 @ 10:50 am

    I can see the BLM and antifa violence for what they are. I can see the killing in Oakland and acknowledge the facts of the situation. I can say it needs to stop.

    You look at antifa and BLM violence and deny it. Evaluate that however you want.

    frosty (5eabaa)

  202. NPR pushing misinformation and division:

    https://twitter.com/JayZario/status/1274762833910251522?s=20
    _

    harkin (4cf812)

  203. I can see the killing in Oakland and acknowledge the facts of the situation.

    … including the fact that the main suspect in the murder of the security officer in Oakland and of a deputy in Santa Cruz is a follower of the “bugaloo” movement?

    Radegunda (89f220)

  204. You all know that Tik Tok is a Chinese whatever-it-is, right? Which means Chinese-government owned and controlled? Which means foreign government interference in our election? Right? You do know that.

    nk (1d9030)

  205. The story of Robert E. Lee whipping a slave was dis-proven 150 years ago…

    It hasn’t been disproven that he ordered the whipping of the Norris slaves. Whether he did it himself or had his staff do it, those three slaves were still whipped.

    Paul Montagu (d27749)

  206. I can see the killing in Oakland and acknowledge the facts of the situation. I can say it needs to stop.

    Well, I can’t see what facts you’re actually using. All you’ve posited so far is unfounded conjecture. The “killing in Oakland” was by a right-wing Boogaloo. How does BLM or Antifa come into this?

    Paul Montagu (d27749)

  207. 168. “Tulsa was a disaster.”

    ROFLMAOPIP. Are you kidding?!?!

    Days of pre-event publicity; televised two-plus hours LIVE on the visual hungry news cablers for weekend programming & carried/rerun on CSPAN w/clips used in news packages I post event chatter.

    And then there’s the competition: JoeyBee’s mid-week 15 minute public wake in Darby, PA.

    =crickets=

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  208. DCSCA @72-

    Not in the least; better uses for valuable wall space and real estate.

    I actually agree. In fact, I have always wanted to see the National Parks disestablished and turned over to developers. There is no reason people shouldn’t be allowed to live in such beauty.
    /s

    Rip Murdock (e7189f)

  209. Trump campaign, Democrats joust over Tulsa rally turnout
    The Trump campaign on Sunday sought to blame concerns about protesters for the lower-than-expected turnout at the president’s rally in Tulsa, even though the campaign itself had raised expectations about attendance by touting the number of people who had signed up for tickets online.

    Reporters on site also saw little evidence of attendees being blocked from going to the event.

    In the days leading up to Saturday night’s rally — Trump’s first since March — the president’s reelection campaign repeatedly touted figures suggesting that as many as 1 million people had signed up to attend. But the crowd did not fill the 19,000-seat BOK Center, with swaths of upper-level seating empty…….

    There were just under 6,200 people in the arena, the Tulsa Fire Marshal’s Office said Sunday. Trump’s campaign rallies have typically attracted more than 10,000 people, and some have drawn two or three times that many…….
    …….
    Outside the rally venue Saturday night, one group of protesters blocked one of three entrances for about 15 minutes — but by that point, most people had already entered the arena’s outer perimeter.
    ….
    With Trump size is everything, and it appears he is facing shrinkage…….

    Rip Murdock (e7189f)

  210. 168. “Tulsa was a disaster.”

    ROFLMAOPIP. Are you kidding?!?!

    If it was such a big win, why did Dear Leader look so miserable when he returned to the White House? Was it because the Tulsa Fire Dept. counted the turnout at about 6,200? And because the “overflow” stage was quickly torn down, being entirely superfluous? Or was it because a good part of the audience was registering an absence of enthusiasm?

    Radegunda (89f220)

  211. 204… Collusion with the CCP takes many forms, especially in our places of “higher learning”…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  212. 210… you’ll always have “Basement Joe”…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  213. John gill is very lifelike coronello.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  214. 212 — A large part of the electorate clearly doesn’t believe that openly displaying oneself as a lunatic sociopath and ignoramus with a grossly inflated (yet exceedingly fragile) ego is a winning strategy for reelection to the presidency.

    Radegunda (89f220)

  215. @210. ROFLMAOPIP looking ‘miserable’ is a sign of life– or tired of plane travel. Have you seen Cadaver JoeyBee lately?

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  216. 214… just keep him on ice and check his vitals…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  217. In fact, I have always wanted to see the National Parks disestablished and turned over to developers.

    No.

    End of story.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  218. @199.He also said the Chinese sent hundreds of thousands of infected people to America to possibly spread the bug.

    No doubt one Thaddius Beauregarde Navarro distributed smallpox-laden blankets to Indians back in the day, too. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  219. 60 shot, nine fatally, so far this weekend in Chicago.

    So my predicted number of fatalities has been reached, but my predicted number of people shot has been far exceeded. And the weekend ain’t over.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  220. 218 yes, in the course of the chinese new year, that the mayor of florence was it, said embrace a chinese national, see mark levine, of the ny health department

    in other ranch news,

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/06/mike-pence-refuses-bait-during-biased-interview-affirms-all-lives-matter/

    narciso (7404b5)

  221. A top epidemiologist warns of a new U.S. trajectory: not waves, but a ‘forest fire.’
    A prominent epidemiologist who initially predicted a first and second wave of the coronavirus in the United States, with a decline in between, warned on Sunday that the country was likely instead to experience one long stretch of cases, hospitalizations and deaths.
    ……
    ……. “I don’t think we’re going to see one, two and three waves — I think we’re just going to see one very very difficult forest fire of cases.”
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (e7189f)

  222. China temporarily halts some imports of Tyson Foods poultry
    ……..
    China’s General Administration of Customs said on Sunday that effective immediately, it was temporarily suspending poultry imports from a Tyson Foods slaughterhouse that has had coronavirus cases among its workers. Shipments from the slaughterhouse that have already arrived in China will also be seized, the customs agency said in a public notice.
    ………
    ……… Over the course of this spring, Tyson Foods has disclosed cases among its workers in several U.S. states.

    On Friday, the company said that 13 percent of the 3,748 employees at its facilities in northwestern Arkansas had tested positive for the coronavirus. Almost all were asymptomatic. Arkansas is one of 18 U.S. states where daily new cases have been increasing. Tyson is one of the only large U.S. meat producers that is voluntarily disclosing the number of workers who have tested positive for the virus in its plants.
    …….
    Tyson released a statement saying that it was “looking into” China’s action, noting that it operated in compliance with all government safety requirements and adding, “It is important to note that the World Health Organization, the Centers for Disease Control & Prevention, U.S.D.A. and the U.S. Food & Drug Administration agree that there is no evidence to support transmission of Covid-19 associated with food.”
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (e7189f)

  223. Robert E. Lee whipping a slave was dis-proven 150 years ago, but what does it matter? Lee is being erased from History, not because he was falsely charged with whipping a slave, but because he was a Confederate.

    Judah Benjamin was a Jewish slave holder, and didn’t whip any slaves. Will his statue stay up? Doubtful.

    History is being erased…from what? By whom? It appears that you are the one trying to edit history, and replace actual history with the “Confederates as misunderstood, like an emo tween, not really the bad guys” meme. I mean, it’s not like that other country waged war on the United States, like Spain 30 years later, or Germany 20 years after that, or Germany/Japan…Taliban. Actually, the Confederacy was closer to the Taliban and the Nazi’s. History says they were scumbags, murderers, traitors, slavers, rapists. Dumb Florida fan’s didn’t know what the “gator bait” cheer was referencing.

    In the Richmond Times Dispatch, R. David Cox wrote that “for white supremacist protesters to invoke his name violates Lee’s most fundamental convictions.” In the conservative publication Townhall, Jack Kerwick concluded that Lee was “among the finest human beings that has ever walked the Earth.” John Daniel Davidson, in an essay for The Federalist, opposed the removal of the Lee statute in part on the grounds that Lee “arguably did more than anyone to unite the country after the war and bind up its wounds.” Praise for Lee of this sort has flowed forth from past historians and presidents alike.

    This is too divorced from Lee’s actual life to even be classed as fan fiction; it is simply historical illiteracy.

    White supremacy does not “violate” Lee’s “most fundamental convictions.” White supremacy was one of Lee’s most fundamental convictions.

    Lee was a slave owner—his own views on slavery were explicated in an 1856 letter that is often misquoted to give the impression that Lee was some kind of abolitionist. In the letter, he describes slavery as “a moral & political evil,” but goes on to explain that:

    I think it however a greater evil to the white man than to the black race, & while my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more strong for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically. The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, & I hope will prepare & lead them to better things. How long their subjugation may be necessary is known & ordered by a wise Merciful Providence. Their emancipation will sooner result from the mild & melting influence of Christianity, than the storms & tempests of fiery Controversy.

    The argument here is that slavery is bad for white people, good for black people, and most important, better than abolitionism; emancipation must wait for divine intervention. That black people might not want to be slaves does not enter into the equation; their opinion on the subject of their own bondage is not even an afterthought to Lee.

    Lee’s cruelty as a slave master was not confined to physical punishment. In Reading the Man, the historian Elizabeth Brown Pryor’s portrait of Lee through his writings, Pryor writes that “Lee ruptured the Washington and Custis tradition of respecting slave families” by hiring them off to other plantations, and that “by 1860 he had broken up every family but one on the estate, some of whom had been together since Mount Vernon days.” The separation of slave families was one of the most unfathomably devastating aspects of slavery, and Pryor wrote that Lee’s slaves regarded him as “the worst man I ever see.”

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  224. Trump ‘furious’ about ‘underwhelming’ crowd at Tulsa rally

    ……..
    The president was fuming at his top political aides on Saturday even before the rally began, after his campaign revealed that six members of the advance team on the ground in Tulsa had tested positive for COVID-19, including Secret Service personnel, a person familiar with the discussions said.

    Trump asked those around him why that information was exposed and expressed annoyance that the coverage ahead of his mega-rally was dominated by that revelation.
    …….
    Much of the blame is falling to campaign manager Brad Parscale, who in the days leading up the event aggressively touted the number of registrations, but those close to him stress his job is safe, for now.
    ……..
    There are growing concerns among Trump campaign officials that neither the president nor the 2020 team have a coherent message for why he should serve a second term. less than five months to go until the general election. …..
    …….

    Rip Murdock (e7189f)

  225. lee wasn’t the worst of the bunch, that was probably bedford forrest, the zarquawi of the movement, even though he may have changed some attitudes over time, I think jim crow, did much of the damage, that the long and bitter sacrifices, of the civil war had sought to alleviate, plessy reversed most everything and it last nearly 70 years, the apex of this was the presidency of woodrow wilson, the closest thing to an apartheid president we ever did see, he was the patron to fdr of course, and to lesser but significant figures like breckenridge long,

    longer if one counts the campaign of resistance typified by fritz hollings who flew the flag over columbia, but he was a respected elder in the democratic party, like landsman fulbright of arkansas, and of course robert byrd,

    narciso (7404b5)

  226. House Republican leaders condemn GOP candidate who made racist videos
    The House’s highest-ranking Republicans are racing to distance themselves from a leading GOP congressional candidate in Georgia after POLITICO uncovered hours of Facebook videos in which she expresses racist, Islamophobic and anti-Semitic views.

    The candidate, Marjorie Taylor Greene, suggested that Muslims do not belong in government; thinks black people “are held slaves to the Democratic Party”; called George Soros, a Jewish Democratic megadonor, a Nazi; and said she would feel “proud” to see a Confederate monument if she were black because it symbolizes progress made since the Civil War.
    ……
    Greene finished first in a primary for a deep-red, northwest Georgia seat last week by a nearly 2-to-1 margin over the second-place candidate. She is entering an August runoff as the favorite to secure the Republican nomination for a district where that is tantamount to winning the general election in November. …….

    ……Greene will face neurosurgeon John Cowan in the Aug. 11 primary runoff.
    ……
    In recordings obtained by POLITICO, Greene…..suggested the 2018 midterms …..was part of “an Islamic invasion of our government” and that “anyone that is a Muslim that believes in Sharia law does not belong in our government.”

    In other videos, she directly compared Black Lives Matter activists to the neo-Nazis and Ku Klux Klan members who marched at a white nationalist rally three years ago in Charlottesville, Va., denouncing them all as “idiots.” And Greene forcefully rejected the notion there are racial disparities in the U.S. or that skin color affects the “quality” of one’s life: “Guess what? Slavery is over,” she said. “Black people have equal rights.”
    ……

    When asked for comment on quotes from the videos, Greene campaign manager Isaiah Wartman did not deny their veracity but declined to elaborate.

    “Thank[s] for the reminder about Soros. We forgot to put him in our newest ad. We’re fixing that now,” he wrote in an email to POLITICO. “Would you like me to send you a copy?”

    …..Greene said in one video that unemployment — which affects people of color at disproportionately higher rates — is simply the product of “bad choices” and being “lazy.”
    ……
    “The most mistreated group of people in the United States today are white males,” Greene said as she wrapped up one of the videos.
    …..
    …..The date of the videos is not clear, but they appear to have been recorded between late 2017 and early 2019.
    …..
    The top three House GOP leaders, as well as the head of the party’s campaign arm, denounced Greene’s rhetoric upon learning from POLITICO of her derogatory comments about blacks, Muslims and Jews.

    While the National Republican Congressional Committee does not get involved in primaries, NRCC spokesman Chris Pack said Chairman Tom Emmer (R-Minn.) is “personally disgusted by this rhetoric and condemns it in the strongest possible terms.”
    …..
    …..[S]he has already faced public criticism for taking a photo with a white supremacist, floating a conspiracy theory that the Las Vegas shooting massacre was a plot to abolish the Second Amendment and calling one of the student activists from Parkland high school “little Hitler”— Greene has earned some congressional support.
    …..
    In one of the videos, Greene offered a full-throated defense of Confederate statues, saying that if she were a black person she would be “proud” to see a Confederate monument “because I’d say, ‘Look how far I have come in this country.’”
    …..
    “George Soros says dark forces have been awakened by Trump’s win. I don’t think so,” she said in one video. “George Soros is the piece of crap that turned in — he’s a Jew — he turned in his own people over to the Nazis.”

    In February 2019, Greene replied to a tweet that included several memes accusing Soros of being part of a secret totalitarian world government. One picture showed Soros as a vampire who controls “every single Democrat politician.” In her reply, Greene called Soros “the Nazi himself trying to continue what was not finished.”
    …..
    You’ve got to wonder what sort of vetting the local Republican leadership does on potential Congressional candidates. This at least the second time the national Republicans have run away from a congressional nominee. See here for another controversial GOP candidate in California, Ted Howze, who lost McCarthy’s endorsement after POLITICO uncovered dozens of social media posts that attacking Muslims and immigrants.

    Rip Murdcok (80e6b4)

  227. Minority jail officers were barred from guarding ex-cop charged with George Floyd’s murder: Complaint
    Eight Minnesota correctional officers of color have filed a discrimination complaint alleging they were barred from guarding the white former police officer charged with murdering George Floyd, a Black man.

    The eight minority officers assigned to the Ramsey County Adult Detention Center in St. Paul complained to the Minnesota Department of Human Rights that the decision to segregate them and keep them away from fired Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin, and the entire floor he was being housed on at the jail, was based solely on the color of their skin.

    “I am not aware of a similar situation where white officers were segregated from an inmate,” reads a statement in the complaint from a Black officer that was anonymously filed on Friday with the Department of Human Rights through his lawyer.

    The employee called his superintendent’s order “the most overtly discriminatory act that has occurred during my employment”……
    …..
    Another minority officer, who described herself as Hispanic, said she and other officers of color were reassigned to the third floor of the jail once Chauvin was brought to the fifth floor of the facility, and that they were instructed to remain there even when an all-hands emergency response was called.
    ……..
    Jail Superintendent Steve Lydon admitted issuing the order to keep minority officers from Chauvin after he was given 10 minutes notice by the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension that Chauvin would be arriving at the facility, according to a statement he gave investigators that was provided to ABC News on Sunday by the Ramsey County Sheriff’s Office.
    …….
    [Bonnie Smith, a Minneapolis attorney representing the eight officers] alleged that instead of immediately offering her clients a formal apology, the sheriff’s department issued a false statement to the Reuters news agency over a week ago insisting there was no truth to the employees’ claims of the segregation order.
    ……

    Rip Murdcok (80e6b4)

  228. What we learned about Biden and Trump from their latest fundraising numbers
    ……
    Biden and the Democratic National Committee hit an all-time monthly fundraising record in May, bringing in $80.8 million. That total topped Trump and the Republican National Committee, which together raised $74 million over the same period.

    But Trump — who has been able to jointly fundraise with the Republican Party at higher levels as the Republican presidential nominee for months — leads Biden in cash on hand, $265 million to $122.2 million…..
    …..
    The president’s campaign and the RNC far outpaced Biden and the DNC in spending in May. Trump’s team spent about $46.5 million during the month, while Democrats spent about $24.1 million — a reflection of Trump’s significant cash-on-hand advantage over Biden, who became the presumptive Democratic nominee two months ago.
    ……
    Much of the president’s and Biden’s spending was on advertising…..
    ……
    Priorities USA, which backed Biden after Super Tuesday, raised $7.5 million last month. The group told the Los Angeles Times it secured $38 million in donations and commitments since early May, two-thirds during the last three weeks. That would mean a huge spike in the group’s June fundraising totals.
    ……
    Fundraising totals for America First Action, the pro-Trump super PAC, plummeted in May — bringing in $2.4 million. In April, the group raised nearly $11.6 million.

    …..[T]he drop-off shows how deeply the coronavirus pandemic and subsequent economic downturn hit the group, which is reliant on big-money donors who keep a close eye on a yo-yo-ing stock market.
    …..
    Dan Eberhart, a major GOP donor, also noted that the “steep drop” for America First Action’s fundraising is “hopefully” a “temporary blip because of the pandemic and not an indication of reduced support for President Trump.”
    …..
    Even during a pandemic, ActBlue, the progressive fundraising platform, continues to be a juggernaut for the Democratic Party — giving its candidates an enormous advantage in hauling in small-dollar donors.

    May …..was still the third largest month by number of contributions and unique donors, and fifth largest by total dollars raised, according to ActBlue’s analysis.

    ……Biden raised nearly $28 million, while the DNC brought in $6.3 million. Donations to Biden and the national party accounted for about 30 percent of all donations that were processed by the platform in the month. The top down-ballot candidates on ActBlue this month were Amy McGrath, Mark Kelly and Jamie Harrison, a trio of Senate challengers running in Kentucky, Arizona and South Carolina, respectively.

    ……WinRed, the Republicans’ response to ActBlue that was launched about a year ago with the blessing of the Trump political machine, files its reports on a quarterly basis.
    ……

    Rip Murdock (80e6b4)

  229. your concern for republican wellbeing is touching, rip, do those include the money laundered into act blue, through black lives matter,

    narciso (7404b5)

  230. 29. DCSCA (797bc0) — 6/20/2020 @ 11:38 am

    Smart girl, that Amy; better to be a sitting senator w/established nat’l recognition than tagged, bagged and buried on a losing ticket.

    She’s not up for re-election this year; she was elected in 2006, 2012 and 2018.

    She’s withdrawing because her name has come up in connection with Chauvin and with the prosecution of a possibly (probably?) innocent man.

    Sammy Finkelman (71800b)

  231. “your concern for republican wellbeing is touching, rip, do those include the money laundered into act blue, through black lives matter,”

    Candace Owens is lying to you.

    Davethulhu (9921df)

  232. Rip just copies/pastes what he gets from left wing sites in his inbox and does so on the taxpayer dime.

    NJRob (0d3c30)

  233. https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/06/report-shootings-unexpectedly-rise-as-nyc-eliminates-anti-crime-units/

    A communist bringing back the Dinkins era to NYC. But their priority is removing statues of the Founding Fathers from NYC.

    NJRob (0d3c30)

  234. Rip just copies/pastes what he gets from left wing sites in his inbox and does so on the taxpayer dime.

    As opposed to the Trump press releases you regurgitate. At least my posts provide quotes and verifiable facts, unlike the your posts pulled out your …….

    As far whose dime I use, it’s mine.

    Rip Murdock (e7189f)

  235. NJRob-
    If you think the facts are wrong in anything I post, feel free to post contrary information. I’d be more than happy to read it.

    Rip Murdock (e7189f)

  236. Politico says everyone in DC hates Bolton now. And the quotes really do sound like they hate him.

    DRJ (aede82)

  237. Politico says everyone in DC hates Bolton now. And the quotes really do sound like they hate him.

    You say that like it’s a bad thing…

    🙂

    Dave (1bb933)

  238. Its been dissapointing the way bolton has misunderstood his own message

    https://www.dailysignal.com/2017/05/10/ugly-racism-karl-marx/amp/

    Narciso (7404b5)

  239. I consider that a point in Bolton’s favor, and not a surprise neither. Those slimy parasites will do anything to keep their phony-baloney jobs and their bridges unburned for the next one, and a man who does not give a hoot but gives the finger instead, to them would be like a nun at a streetwalkers’ convention.

    nk (1d9030)

  240. Lindseys kind of a weathervane full of hot air, mostly harmless cramer, doze, hes not memorable enough to remember.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  241. They just jealous of the ’stache.

    Dave (1bb933)

  242. I’m laughing at the ones who have grown beards to show that they’re only figuratively Trump’s eunuchs. Cruz, Rand, Cotton … like people don’t know about testosterone injections with all the sports doping in the news.

    nk (1d9030)

  243. https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/06/the-un-human-rights-council-strikes-again.php

    To reiterate for the umpteenth time. The UN has no business on American soil and is just there to prop up the horrid regimes throughout the world.

    NJRob (0d3c30)

  244. The President’s Shock at the Rows of Empty Seats in Tulsa
    …….
    The president, who had been warned aboard Air Force One that the crowds at the arena were smaller than expected, was stunned, and he yelled at aides backstage while looking at the endless rows of empty blue seats in the upper bowl of the stadium, according to four people familiar with what took place. …….
    …….
    Exactly what went wrong was still being dissected on Sunday. But a broad group of advisers and associates acknowledged to one another that Mr. Trump had not been able to will public opinion away from fears about the spread of the coronavirus in an indoor space. ……..
    ……..
    Campaign officials on Sunday privately admitted that many people who had signed up to attend the event were not supporters but online tricksters. ……..
    …….
    In an interview, Mr. Parscale said the empty arena was not his fault, and that local law enforcement in Tulsa had overreacted, making it difficult for supporters to gain entry. He claimed to have thousands of emails from supporters who tried to get into the Bank of Oklahoma Center and were turned away…….
    ……..
    The event does not portend additional large Trump rallies this summer, people familiar with the discussions said. …….
    ………

    Rip Murdock (e7189f)

  245. Or is it that they’d need to look at themselves in a mirror to shave?

    nk (1d9030)

  246. To reiterate for the umpteenth time. The UN has no business on American soil and is just there to prop up the horrid regimes throughout the world.

    Who do you think created the UN and chose the UN’s headquarters in NYC?

    Hint, it was the White House, that’s the United States, in 1941, agreed to by the the US and Britain.

    Having subscribed to a common program of purposes and principles embodied in the Joint Declaration of the President of the United States of America and the Prime Minister of Great Britain dated August 14, 1941, known as the Atlantic Charter,

    Being convinced that complete victory over their enemies is essential to defend life, liberty, independence and religious freedom, and to preserve human rights and justice in their own lands as well as in other lands, and that they are now engaged in a common struggle against savage and brutal forces seeking to subjugate the world,

    DECLARE:

    Each Government pledges itself to employ its full resources, military or economic, against those members of the Tripartite Pact and its adherents with which such government is at war.
    Each Government pledges itself to cooperate with the Governments signatory hereto and not to make a separate armistice or peace with the enemies.
    The foregoing declaration may be adhered to by other nations which are, or which may be, rendering material assistance and contributions in the struggle for victory over Hitlerism.

    — The Washington Conference 1941–1942

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  247. Yes the human rights council, is a joke like unesco was in the 80s, lions determining the fate of lambs.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  248. Minneapolis lawyers are the best people to go to for advice on American foreign policy.

    nk (1d9030)

  249. To reiterate for the umpteenth time. The UN has no business on American soil and is just there to prop up the horrid regimes throughout the world.

    “There are a lot of killers. We have a lot of killers. You think our country is so innocent?”
    – President Donald Trump, February 2017

    Dave (1bb933)

  250. As was proved on the syrian plains of deir er zour, no one did anything for ayria vefore then,

    Narciso (7404b5)

  251. We’ve chopped up a lot of American citizens in our consulate in Istanbul. You think we haven’t chopped up a lot of American citizens in our consulate in Istanbul?

    Motes and beams, and the motes are the ones who are not paying off the Trump-Kushner Crime Family.

    nk (1d9030)

  252. 234… prodigious output, during work hours and days off. He must be one of those essentials.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  253. David weigling aint no thing, coronello,

    Narciso (7404b5)

  254. Now wannabe isaak hayes the duke of duh doesnt understand the meaning of autonomous.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  255. As for gulen and erdogan its like trotsky and stalin one enabled the other,

    Narciso (7404b5)

  256. 254-
    Easy to do on your phone.

    Rip Murdock (39b7c0)

  257. Caught the first season of yellowstone on tv land, pretty good.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  258. They havent done a soap like this since dallas, the original.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  259. Columbus, OH: police pepper spray a double amputee, then *disconnect and take his prosthetic legs*

    The man *crawled on his hands* to get medical help while a group of protestors rushed the cops to get his legs back

    https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1274893728361127937

    Davethulhu (9921df)

  260. 596 on the hit parade of police misconduct.

    Davethulhu (9921df)

  261. Did the Illinois National Guard ever give Santa Anna’s wooden leg back to Texas?

    nk (1d9030)

  262. Columbus, OH: police pepper spray a double amputee, then *disconnect and take his prosthetic legs*

    Not much surprises me, but the video doesn’t show that. It does show a double amputee on the ground with his legs off and some people helping him (and screaming “medic” at the top of his lungs), but not anything before that with any police in it.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  263. I’m getting pretty sick and tired of these twerps, myself. They’re the same mix from the Vietnam protests. A handful of radicals with an agenda, looters, hoodlums, unemployables, students with half-baked ideas, bored middle-class kids attracted by the novelty, and behind politicians and other opportunists looking to exploit the situation any way they can.

    And I don’t believe that tweet, either.

    nk (1d9030)

  264. The novelty has worn off, now if they all wear bane masques and carry a fake nuclear device.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  265. Nascar finds noose in bubba wallace garage at tallahdega.

    asset (f4eb7d)

  266. But ashanti and songhai empires which were all about slavery, see boko haram is neat.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  267. @265

    Well-stated.

    norcal (a5428a)

  268. 265.I’m getting pretty sick and tired of these twerps, myself. They’re the same mix from the Vietnam protests.

    As opposed to those wonderful narrow-tie an white shirted twerps who gave you The Pentagon Papers. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  269. @268 NJRob, Removing this statue seems debatable.

    Reasons to keep

    Teddy is awesome.
    It’s been there a while.
    TR was a huge advocate for natural sciences and a statue of him there is very appropriate.

    Remove

    It’s sort of ugly
    The way it depicts blacks and native american’s is somewhat insulting.
    There’s been debate about it for a while.
    It’s been made clear it’s not about TR, but the statue itself.

    Personally I’d keep it, but this seems like the way these decisions should be made. I think the process yielded the wrong results, but I think the process was fine.

    Interested to know more about what you think about this and if there are any statues/monuments you’d be support removing?

    Time123 (ca85c9)

  270. The people that orchestrated the diem coup, you have a point there, but they were reading halberstam who in turn was following a vietcong agent.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  271. And the folks who landed the brigade into the middle of the enemy camp, like hal moore would do in la drang four years latee

    Narciso (7404b5)

  272. 6200 headcount. By the Tulsa Fire Department, not the #FakeNewsEnemiesOfAmerica. Two out three seats empty. Drove Jared and Ivanka right out of their comfort zones.

    nk (1d9030)

  273. Thats what ephialtes would say,

    Narciso (7404b5)

  274. 6200? Joe Biden delivered what was billed as a major economic speech outside of Philadelphia a few days ago, he drew 20 people.

    The media and their clown supporters will find they can’t copulate with a rodent their way out of a lack of enthusiasm.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  275. Even the rodents have standards, coronello, i would have thought this place would have some pithy comment about the anarchist wave but i must have walked into the wrong saloon

    Narciso (7404b5)

  276. mg, as skeptical as I am, and as little as I like people really flying down freeways, I really enjoyed the link.

    Dustin (e3a6ae)

  277. No one is enthusiastic about Biden.
    Ppl just want trump gone.

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  278. #278

    Nobody is enthusiastic about Biden. They are enthusiastic about expunging Trump.

    For the good of the GOP, I hope he and all his supporters lose large. So large that you can’t claim fraud. So large that it is a statement about Trump and the people who support him.

    Appalled (1a17de)

  279. I wonder if Ivanka owns a pair of those shoes with poisoned knife blades that pop out the front for use on operatives who have failed in their missions. Or does she leave it up to Jared’s trap-door chair at the conference table?

    nk (1d9030)

  280. You’re with the creepy old guy from family guy, own it, appalled remember when you thiught obama would fill your trapper keeper. But if only id known.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  281. Personally I’d keep it, but this seems like the way these decisions should be made. I think the process yielded the wrong results, but I think the process was fine.

    Interested to know more about what you think about this and if there are any statues/monuments you’d be support removing?

    Time123 (ca85c9) — 6/22/2020 @ 4:58 am

    Growing up in NYC, I passed that statue many times for various school projects. It’s not offensive except to those looking to find offense: see Lincoln, Grant monuments.

    I tolerated the deeply offensive “piss christ” that was called great art. People can grow up and tolerate that which offends them.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  282. If its not race its colonialism its toxic masculinity, well the great white fleet, do i need to spell it out

    Narciso (7404b5)

  283. 283… the people that support Biden and other Democrats also support looting, rioting, the wanton destruction of businesses, property, acts of violence, racial division, etc.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  284. If there’s any interest in saving what remains of the Democrat Party, they’d best wake up and get on with it.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  285. No theres nothing left, the bernie wing is in control effective,

    Narciso (7404b5)

  286. Anyone heard from Victor after his visits into the insurrection zone in Seattle? Another day, another shooting in that leftist utopia.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  287. Democrats own The Mobs, defunding the police, violence, mayhem, attempts to create policy based on non-existent “facts”, destruction of businesses…

    and they won’t be able to ratf*ck their way out of it.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  288. Personally I’d keep it, but this seems like the way these decisions should be made. I think the process yielded the wrong results, but I think the process was fine.

    Interested to know more about what you think about this and if there are any statues/monuments you’d be support removing?

    Time123 (ca85c9) — 6/22/2020 @ 4:58 am

    Growing up in NYC, I passed that statue many times for various school projects. It’s not offensive except to those looking to find offense: see Lincoln, Grant monuments.

    I tolerated the deeply offensive “piss christ” that was called great art. People can grow up and tolerate that which offends them.

    NJRob (4d595c) — 6/22/2020 @ 7:15 am

    Are there any circumstances where you would agree with removing statues / monuments?

    Time123 (69b2fc)

  289. Are there any circumstances where you would agree with removing statues / monuments?

    May I answer that? In any circumstance, except when they are gravemarkers or cenotaphs, and their artistic value, whether the composition or the artist, is not worth the collision hazard to low-flying birds.

    nk (1d9030)

  290. @294, colorful, if not clear. 😉

    Time123 (69b2fc)

  291. The Lincoln Project twists the knife.

    “You’ve probably heard this before, but it was smaller than we expected. It sure wasn’t as big as you promised.”

    I’m almost starting to feel sorry for Trump.

    Almost.

    Dave (1bb933)

  292. The Tulsa rally debacle resembles what a 2016 RNC would have looked like with a Cruz nomination borne from insincere strategic crossover votes (according to a friend).

    urbanleftbehind (339a4d)

  293. The Tulsa rally debacle resembles what a 2016 RNC would have looked like with a Cruz nomination borne from insincere strategic crossover votes (according to a friend).

    Seems like it would be missing the raving lunatic on the stage, though.

    Dave (1bb933)

  294. Seattle is a bleak hellscape and theres no jessica alba, this wasnt what they promised in 2000

    Narciso (7404b5)

  295. ok we got simon phoenix, he doesn’t under the word ‘autonomous’ but it’s okay, mayor durkin gave him the keys to the city and a 83 k grant for his ‘studio’ he makes tupak seem like paul robeson,

    narciso (7404b5)

  296. #285

    Trump supporters have no space to be distressed about Biden’s handsy nature. Not given what we know of Trump’s philosophy of engagement with the opposite sex…

    #288

    Oh, really now…So, do I get to say you are all in favor of the cops beating and killing suspects, and pounding on counter-demonstrators, and putting people in camps??

    Appalled (1a17de)

  297. Now that Washington, Jefferson and Teddy are non-persons there should be plenty of room on Rushmore for Reagan, Obama and Trump.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  298. well biden’s staff bailed out some of the rioter,

    three years it was utter lunacy, that they would behead a statue of george washington, now they even go after cervantes, a slave in an ottoman prison.

    narciso (7404b5)

  299. Are there any circumstances where you would agree with removing statues / monuments?

    Time123 (69b2fc) — 6/22/2020 @ 7:39 am

    Excessive wear and tear. No educational or historical value. Moving to a different location for educational purpose.

    Not to appease a mob.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  300. Now that Washington, Jefferson and Teddy are non-persons there should be plenty of room on Rushmore for Reagan, Obama and Trump.

    Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/22/2020 @ 9:26 am

    Kevin, Your summary of the Roosevelt statue is wrong.

    Similar question as I had before. Are there any circumstances where you agree with removing statues/monuments?

    Ms. Futter made clear that the museum’s decision was based on the statue itself — namely its “hierarchical composition”—- and not on Roosevelt, whom the museum continues to honor as “a pioneering conservationist.”

    In many of those cases, the calls for removal were made by protesters who say the images are too offensive to stand as monuments to American history. The decision about the Roosevelt statue is different, made by a museum that, like others, had previously defended — and preserved — such portraits as relics of their time that however objectionable, could perhaps serve to educate. It was then seconded by the city, which had the final say.

    “The American Museum of Natural History has asked to remove the Theodore Roosevelt statue because it explicitly depicts Black and Indigenous people as subjugated and racially inferior,” Mayor Bill de Blasio said in a statement. “The City supports the Museum’s request. It is the right decision and the right time to remove this problematic statue.”

    In a compensatory gesture, the museum is naming its Hall of Biodiversity for Roosevelt “in recognition of his conservation legacy,” Ms. Futter said.

    Time123 (69b2fc)

  301. John Bolton in his ABC interview:

    You know, we’re in a political environment in this country where you’re either pro-Trump or anti-Trump. And anybody who says, “You know, life is a little more complicated than that” is denounced by both sides– a position I currently find myself in.

    But that really goes to the underlying reason why I wrote the book. With all due respect, you can’t tweet about these things and give a complete picture. You can’t write an 800-word op-ed and give a complete picture. You can’t do television interviews and give a complete picture.

    I wrote a 500-page book. And even that’s not a complete picture. If Simon and Schuster had given me 500 more pages, I could have filled that too. But it’s important for people to look at these facts spread out over a range of issues to see what actually happened. Not to listen just to the rhetoric and the hoopla, but look at the facts. And I hope they do, and they’ll make up their own decisions.

    The transcript of the interview is at the link. Worth reading, IMO.

    DRJ (aede82)

  302. Are there any circumstances where you would agree with removing statues / monuments?

    Time123 (69b2fc) — 6/22/2020 @ 7:39 am

    Excessive wear and tear. No educational or historical value. Moving to a different location for educational purpose.

    Not to appease a mob.

    NJRob (4d595c) — 6/22/2020 @ 9:48 am

    How do statues raised on the early-mid 20th century in response to the civil rights movement, statues that glorify men whose main contribution was to history was fighting for the confederacy, count?

    How about removals that go through a review process and are approved by the proper elected officials?

    Time123 (235fc4)

  303. But that really goes to the underlying reason why I wrote the book. With all due respect, you can’t tweet about these things and give a complete picture. You can’t write an 800-word op-ed and give a complete picture. You can’t do television interviews and give a complete picture.

    He could have testified, under oath, subject to cross, before the impeachment trial and given an even more complete picture.

    Time123 (235fc4)

  304. Rick Wilson is a grifter.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  305. Time123,

    how does “piss christ” have any value? It’s in the eye of the beholder is what I was told. I had to tolerate that junk. Others have to tolerate what they don’t like. That’s what a society needs to survive. Destroying our history is convenient, but just one step closer to Orwell’s “utopia.”

    NJRob (4d595c)

  306. In the end, either President Trump will be re-elected or the Left will be in charge of the Executive. The Senate will likely be retained by a thin majority of Republicans. The House might come back into Republicans’ hands, but the media will still be controlled by the anti-Trump forces. Academia and popular culture will remain under Leftist control. As such, there will be no peace in a second term for President Trump.

    If the Left is victorious in November and if Nancy Pelosi still controls the House, we will see the mirror image of #Resistance. But the question is how vocal and how strong? If it wasn’t enough to carry Trump to victory how effective can it be as an out and out movement? Given the violent tactics of the Left, it is more likely to be a guerrilla movement. The focus will be on how to undermine the rule of the Left. I am pretty confident that the Red States are not going to turn purple under a President Biden or whoever controls/replaces him. The “flyover states” who will basically be unrepresented in the power centers of America after a Leftist takeover are not going to go along easily. A Leftist prohibition of liberty will be resisted.

    https://ricochet.com/771082/non-government-2021-2024/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  307. Mejor que selecciono Sir Mix A Lot (tambien de Seattle) como alcalde de CHAZ

    urbanleftbehind (339a4d)

  308. Time123,

    how does “piss christ” have any value? It’s in the eye of the beholder is what I was told. I had to tolerate that junk. Others have to tolerate what they don’t like. That’s what a society needs to survive. Destroying our history is convenient, but just one step closer to Orwell’s “utopia.”

    NJRob (4d595c) — 6/22/2020 @ 10:05 am

    I honestly never saw the point if it. But from what I can find on google it’s long gone. Even when it was up it was just a part of the photographer’s exhibit. No idea why that exhibit was chosen.

    I think there’s a difference between a work of art that’s displayed as a work for art for a time, and a monument that will stand for many years.

    I’m trying to figure out how they’re the same or how one justifies the other. To me they seem different. One was supposed to be art. The others are supposed to be monuments to the superiority of the white race/monuments to the confederacy.

    Time123 (69b2fc)

  309. de verdad, but he didn’t a 83k grant from the city council, you can buy a lot of guns, rebar and bling with that,

    narciso (7404b5)

  310. how does “piss christ” have any value? It’s in the eye of the beholder is what I was told..

    Trolling the religious right.

    RipMurdock (d2a2a8)

  311. BS Time. They aren’t what you claim. They are acknowledgements of our past. You want to put a plaque on there acknowledging their full past and their misdeeds, go ahead. But you demolish them and you’re on the same level as the Taliban; trying to erase the past and creating your own.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  312. BS Time. They aren’t what you claim. They are acknowledgements of our past. You want to put a plaque on there acknowledging their full past and their misdeeds, go ahead. But you demolish them and you’re on the same level as the Taliban; trying to erase the past and creating your own.

    NJRob (4d595c) — 6/22/2020 @ 10:27 am

    Many of them are.

    Time123 (69b2fc)

  313. We can keep going back and forth on this, but no they aren’t. We aren’t going to change any minds. This is about destroying history because it’s too white and replacing it with something more woke.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  314. If you want to influence me, try somewhere that isn’t a racist, leftist propaganda site. Thanks.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  315. 315… the religious Left would be hardest hit, if they could be found.

    R.I.P. Murdoch

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  316. If you want to influence me, try somewhere that isn’t a racist, leftist propaganda site. Thanks.
    History.com is a racist website?

    Rip Murdock (e7189f)

  317. There is no need to name names. The so-called conservatives who have been coddling mindless calls to destroy public art know who they are. So do the rest of us. These are the reasonable conservatives, the good ones, so ever careful not to be called racist. They had a compromise in mind because they always do. Throw the Confederate statues under the bus and we can save the rest. Well.

    Friday night, a statue of Ulysses S. Grant was toppled. Also the statue of a Catholic saint. Do you know who is to blame? It is not the hordes of progressives with ropes and chains; it is every conservative who thought those Jacobin lunatics could be appeased by just tearing down certain statues. It is a metaphor for the fecklessness of an American right too cowed to stand up for itself.

    I get it. You see, these conservatives don’t want to be called names. I mean, nobody enjoys that. But here’s the thing: after you write your little op-ed about how of course the evil Confederate statues have to come down, they still think you’re a racist. They just think you are a spineless one.

    George Orwell wrote a book once called “1984.” Let me know if this sounds familiar: “Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day-by-day and minute-by-minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”

    Almost everyone who reads “1984” makes the same fundamental mistake. They think that they are Winston, the protagonist who senses the evil around him. It never occurs to most people that they are far more likely to be almost everyone else in the book. And the shallow conservatives, who thought by damning Robert E. Lee they could save Thomas Jefferson, are doing little more than suggesting that maybe two plus two equals four and a half, or something.

    As the little fascist leftists like to say, “We see you.” We see the retweets from writers at Vox; we see the protestations that you are “one of the good ones.” And what are the wages of these sad genuflections? What did you get out of the deal? Are they going to come support you now that the Founding Fathers are up against the wall? Nope. They will throw you right up against the wall with them as you insist how reasonable you are.

    https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/20/conservative-cowards-are-to-blame-for-falling-statues/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  318. Statement from Treasurer Magaziner about the State’s Name (Rhode Island)
    Rhode Island General Treasurer Seth Magazine today made the following announcement about his office’s use of the state’s name:

    “Today, I am announcing that the Office of the General Treasurer will remove the words “and Providence Plantations” from the state’s checks. We will also remove those words from our letterhead, citations, and other Office correspondence.

    For African-Americans and other People of Color, ‘plantations’ are synonymous with centuries of race-based slavery and violence. In my discussions with African-American leaders in recent weeks, they have explained the chilling feeling they have when seeing the word “plantations” on Rhode Island government letters, citations, and checks.

    As a student of our State’s history, I know that in 1663 when ‘The Colony of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations’ received its Charter, the word ‘plantations’ was not necessarily connected with slavery.

    However, words and symbols can take on new meanings over time. As a Rhode Islander with Jewish heritage, I know all too well that the swastika, originally a symbol of spirituality and peace, became a symbol of profound hatred and evil.

    Removing the word ‘Plantations’ does not erase our history; a history that includes many Rhode Islanders who profited from slavery, and also the heroic sacrifice of many Rhode Islanders who fought to end it.
    ……
    Besides, everyone calls us just ‘Rhode Island’ anyway.”

    RipMurdock (d2a2a8)

  319. The Democrat Party has yet to atone for its racist sins… Slavery, Jim Crowe, KKK, lynchings, etc.

    Reparations Now!!!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  320. The burned out husk of a building from a far more expertly set instance of Greek/Jewish lightning would have told Wendy’s of University Avenue in Atlanta to hold its beer: http://nypost.com/2020/06/22/how-nypd-faked-shake-shack-controversy-and-conspiracy-theory/

    urbanleftbehind (339a4d)

  321. History.com is a racist website?

    Any non-confirmational data is racist, leftist, “fake-news”, or boring.

    You see, not just history.com, history itself is racist and leftist because it doesn’t say the Johnny Rebs were misunderstood, and were totally justified because…reasons. It’s the delusion of the Lost Cause, and it’s lost because the losing losers lost.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  322. thank god for oann

    at least theres one place brave enough to publish the truth

    Dave (1bb933)

  323. If you want to influence me, try somewhere that isn’t a racist, leftist propaganda site. Thanks.

    NJRob (4d595c) — 6/22/2020 @ 10:33 am

    Since you haven’t bothered to go beyond “I don’t like history.com” I doubt there’s much point in presenting you with facts that don’t support your priors.

    Final point, the history that you’re defending is made up. It’s fiction. The South wasn’t fighting for some amorphous way of life or local control or freedom from a central government. They were fighting for the right to buy and sell people. The statues weren’t put up to honor bravery or a warrior spirit. They were mostly put up to show support for jim crow and opposition to the civil rights movement.

    Time123 (69b2fc)

  324. Narciso decrying a conspiracy theory. *chef kiss*

    Davethulhu (9921df)

  325. CH you linked to an article that said;

    In some sense, the story of the Confederate statues, and Jefferson, Lincoln, Churchill, and Gandhi, are stories of forgiveness.

    It’s amazing that you think men who went to war over the right to own people and torture them into obedience, men whose greatest contribution to human history was to kill to perpetuate evil, are similar to Jefferson, Lincoln, Churchill and Gandhi.

    It says nothing good about your conscience and sense of right & wrong that you see them as akin to each other.

    Time123 (69b2fc)

  326. And your kowtowing to the Mob says all I need to know about you, outoftime

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  327. The full paragraph… which makes it obvious that outoftime’s intent was dishonest…

    In some sense, the story of the Confederate statues, and Jefferson, Lincoln, Churchill, and Gandhi, are stories of forgiveness. We protect their memories because we understand that history’s judgment will eventually condemn us for the luxuries we enjoy off the backs of foreign workers in slave-like conditions. We too hope to be understood, forgiven.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  328. News Analysis: Joe Biden is no Hillary Clinton, and that’s a problem for President Trump

    Joe Biden is old. He has a paper trail reaching back half a century. He is, by his own admission, a “gaffe machine” who regularly trips over his own tongue.

    He is not, however, as widely and viscerally disliked as the last Democratic nominee, Hillary Clinton, and that’s complicating President Trump’s reelection effort.
    …..
    His best — and possibly only — chance of winning a second term is making Biden seem the more unpalatable of the two; turning the election, in the political shorthand, into a choice between candidates rather than a referendum on Trump’s personality and performance.

    …… After a quarter-century on the national stage, and a bruising Democratic primary, the former first lady and secretary of State was viewed by many Republicans as a figure of almost singular villainy and by a significant number of independents — who didn’t like either candidate — as the greater of two evils.
    …..
    “People are not afraid of Biden,” said Ed Rogers, a former top official in the George H.W. Bush White House and a longtime Republican operative. “He’s not a good enough bad guy” to make the focal point of a negative campaign.
    ……
    Polls aggregated by RealClearPolitics found that 45% of those surveyed had a favorable view of Biden and 46% had an unfavorable view. By contrast, Clinton was already a far more polarizing figure at this stage of the 2016 campaign, viewed favorably by 40% and unfavorably by 55%.
    ……
    But even Trump strategists privately concede the affable Biden is nowhere near as unpopular or easy to demonize as Clinton.
    ……
    Part of the reason may be that Clinton had already been a Republican target for decades — starting with her husband’s 1992 presidential campaign and continuing through her years as first lady, a U.S. senator from New York and Obama’s secretary of State — by the time she became the Democratic nominee.
    …..

    RipMurdock (d2a2a8)

  329. The full paragraph… which makes it obvious that outoftime’s intent was dishonest…

    In some sense, the story of the Confederate statues, and Jefferson, Lincoln, Churchill, and Gandhi, are stories of forgiveness. We protect their memories because we understand that history’s judgment will eventually condemn us for the luxuries we enjoy off the backs of foreign workers in slave-like conditions. We too hope to be understood, forgiven.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/22/2020 @ 11:33 am

    The additional text doesn’t change my point that you’re explicitly putting Confederate generals into the same category as Jefferson, Lincoln, Churchill, and Gandhi. It does make the author sound stupid for putting owning an iPhone on the same level as owning a human being.

    You’re either so ignorant of history, or so lacking in character that you think Nathan Bedford Forrest belongs in that company.

    Are you really such a failure as a human that you think NBF is morally equivalent to Gandhi & Lincoln?

    Time123 (69b2fc)

  330. “In a sense…”

    GFY, outoftime. I’ve lost patience with you, given your lack of honesty.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  331. “In some sense”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  332. As if an iPhone is the only example of the exploitation of foreign labor. Are you that dull?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  333. As if an iPhone is the only example of the exploitation of foreign labor. Are you that dull?

    You mean any sourcing of any part to a low wage nation as opposed to a high wage nation?

    But that is the same as slavery, the same thing as owning people for business and pleasure?

    Just some minor things.

    LEATHER FROM HUMAN SKIN [Philadelphia News.] Printed in The Mercury, Saturday March 17, 1888

    I remember that two or three years ago I incidentally referred to a prominent physician of this city wearing shoes made from the skin of negroes. He still adhered to that custom, insisting that the tanned hide of an African makes the most enduring and the most pliable leather known to man.

    Only last week I met him upon the street with a brand new pair of shoes. I looked at his foot wear, as I always do – his pedal coverings have an irresistible fascination for me – and said, with a smile:

    “Is the down trodden African still beneath your feet?” In the most matter of fact way, and without the shadow of a smile, he answered: ” I suppose you mean to inquire if I still wear shoes made of the skin of a negro. I certainly do, and I don’t propose changing in that respect until I find a leather that is softer and will last longer and present a better appearance. I have no sentiment about this matter. Were I a Southerner – in the American sense of the word – I might be accused of being actuated by a race prejudice. But I am a foreigner by birth, although now an American citizen by naturalization. I fought in the rebellion that the blacks might be freed. I would use a white man’s skin for the same purpose if it were sufficiently thick, and if any’ one has a desire to wear my epidermis upon his feet after I have drawn my last breath he has my ante mortem permission.”

    Or

    It is hard to process the thinking that could lead a person to actually use a live human baby as bait for an alligator. That is why the objects in the Jim Crow Museum are so important – they help tell the story of a society that defined African Americans as “sub-human” by portraying them as savage and worthless creatures (“Americans Forced”, 1944). If people are indoctrinated, over and over again, with items, images, objects, and practices that devalue the humanity of African Americans, then practices like “African Dodger”, “Human Zoos” and “Alligator bait” become possible.

    In 1908 the Washington Times reported that a keeper at the New York Zoological Garden baited “Alligators With Pickaninnies” out of their winter quarters. In the article two “small colored children happened to drift through the reptile house among the throng of visitors” and they were “pressed into service.” The alligators “wobbled out as quick as they could after the ebony mites, who darted around the tank just as the pursuing monsters fell with grunts of chagrin into the water.” The alligators were “coaxed” into their summer quarters by “plump little Africans” (“Baits Alligators”).

    The headline in the September 21, 1923 Oakland Tribune reads “PICKANINNY BAIT LURES VORACIOUS ‘GATOR TO DEATH. And Mother Gets Her Baby Back in Perfect Condition; Also $2”. In the article T.W. Villiers chronicles the entire process of using black babies as bait and how “these little black morsels are more than glad to be led to the ‘sacrifice’ and do their part in lurking the big Florida gators to their fate without suffering so much as a scratch.” Villiers is quick to point out that the babies are brought out of the “water alive and whole and come out wet and laughing” and that “there is nothing terrible about it, except that it is spelling death for the alligators.” In a strange twist, Villiers reports on the hunter’s attempts to rationalize the motivation of the alligators to

    “jeopardize every hope of life for a live baby, and in the matter of color, the additional information is vouchsafed that black babies, in the estimation of the alligators, are far more refreshing, as it were, than white ones.”

    The article describes the process of placing the babies near the alligator’s haunts, with the hunters hidden behind the brush with their rifles. When the baby “attracts” the gator and it exposes his “head and forequarters”, the hunters shoot the gator and claim their “prize.” And, just in case someone happens to care about the welfare of the baby, the reader is assured that “Florida alligator hunters do not ever miss their targets.” After the baby is returned to its mother, she is paid the set price of two dollars (Villiers, 1923).

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  334. @338-
    From post #175-

    ……. [T]he Confederacy is not part of “our American heritage,” as President Donald Trump recently claimed, nor should it stand as a libertarian symbol of small government and resistance to federal tyranny. For the four years of its existence, until it was forced to surrender, the Confederate States of America was a pro-slavery nation at war against the United States. The C.S.A. was a big, centralized state, devoted to securing a society in which enslavement to white people was the permanent and inherited condition of all people of African descent.

    The Confederates built an explicitly white-supremacist, pro-slavery, and antidemocratic nation-state, dedicated to the principle that all men are not created equal. ……[T]hey sought the kind of future for human slavery and conservative republican government that was no longer possible within the United States. This is the cause that the statues honor.
    ………
    Whatever way you look at it, it is impossible to turn this history and its leading figures into a part of American heritage. Founded in an act of treason against the government its leaders had sworn to protect and serve, the Confederate States of America and its white-supremacist government waged a four-year war against the United States of America and the principles Americans value most highly.

    RipMurdock (d2a2a8)

  335. Goddam Democrats, Oberwäscherin klink!

    Reparations from the DNC Now!!!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  336. Goddam Democrats, Oberwäscherin klink!

    Reparations from the DNC Now!!!

    Squirrel, look at that other thing over there.

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  337. “In some sense”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/22/2020 @ 11:48 am

    In what sense are the stories of the confederate monument stories of forgiveness?
    It’s not the timing, that was a statement against civil rights / support of jim crow.
    It’s not the composition, they’re majestic, heroic and triumphant.
    It’s not the way they’re used today. No one uses them a backdrop to talk about forgiveness for past sins. Stone mountain is frequent site for Klan rallies.

    What’s your evidence that they’re stories of forgiveness?

    Time123 (69b2fc)

  338. It’s not clear to me why exactly Robert E. Lee must go, but that Thomas Jefferson or Andrew Jackson must stay? Many of the underlying sentiments and attitudes are precisely the same…..and we see this conclusion is shared by current day equal-opportunity “vandalizers”.

    Not every monument or statue should comfort or console us. It’s OK if some force us to grapple with our shared history and the vagaries of human nature. Yes, many of these monuments were erected decades removed from the Civil War in an attempt to perpetuate Jim Crowe thinking…but why not leave them (or at least some of them) to tell that story? There’s a reason that Christians didn’t topple the Colosseum. Cautionary tales are OK. Obliterating or hiding these objects removes yet one more opportunity for a constructive dialogue. Yes, history books are still there…and museums….but neither are there right in our face, demanding explanation and accounting…and compelling an understanding of what these men….not some abstract alien enemy….but our literal countrymen… were thinking and how so many died….and how we ended up being able to come back together….and move mightily towards healing.

    Robert E. Lee was more complicated than the one-dimensional rendering that we are hearing. After the Civil War was he calling for the South to rise again….or was his message one of reconciliation…and moving on? Well, it’s the latter….and maybe that’s a useful thought to contemplate when you pass a Robert E. Lee statue…not simply….tear it down….

    AJ_Liberty (ec7f74)

  339. It’s not clear to me why exactly Robert E. Lee must go, but that Thomas Jefferson or Andrew Jackson must stay? Robert E. Lee was more complicated than the one-dimensional rendering that we are hearing. After the Civil War was he calling for the South to rise again….or was his message one of reconciliation…and moving on? Well, it’s the latter….and maybe that’s a useful thought to contemplate when you pass a Robert E. Lee statue…not simply….tear it down….

    Good question. To me it’s a balancing between what they did, the times they lived in, and how important they were to our history. I’d leave Jefferson up. No question. Same answer for Jackson, and he was a horrible.

    Lee didn’t want statues erected of him because he thought it would be a rallying point for confederate resistance. How many statues of him are humble? How many show some signs of regret in their composition? The ones I’ve seen have him looking regal or majestic. You have a good point, but he was never celebrated as a symbol of reconciliation.

    Don’t have time to look into it, but I wonder who has more statues and monumnents. Lee or Jefferson?

    I think it would be great to put more of these into context. But I don’t think the fans of the confederacy would actually support that.

    Time123 (235fc4)

  340. I dont use the racist, leftist SPLC as a viable source. Thanks.

    NJRob (3b819f)

  341. NJRob, Any evidence that they’ve mistated the dates when the statues went up?

    Time123 (235fc4)

  342. Robert E. Lee was more complicated than the one-dimensional rendering that we are hearing….
    The treason part is sort of overwhelming.

    RipMurdock (d2a2a8)

  343. The intent of the SPLC is to inflame, divide and promote leftist politics.

    NJRob (8886f4)

  344. k, but were they wrong on the facts?

    Time123 (235fc4)

  345. SPLC… LOL !!!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  346. FFS

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  347. CH Any response to the questions @345?

    Time123 (235fc4)

  348. What’s your evidence that they’re stories of forgiveness?

    Time123 (235fc4)

  349. Well-spoken, Time123.

    Dave (1bb933)

  350. thanks Dave.

    Time123 (69b2fc)

  351. Uhh, WTF?

    U.S. Army Private Ethan Melzer Sent Sensitive U.S. Military Information to Members of a Neo-Nazi Group in an Attempt to Facilitate a “Mass Casualty” Attack on Melzer’s Army Unit

    The Department of Justice announced today the unsealing of an indictment charging Ethan Melzer, 22, of Louisville, Kentucky, for allegedly planning an attack on his U.S. Army unit by sending sensitive details about the unit – including information about its location, movements, and security – to members of an extremist organization named Order of the Nine Angles (O9A), an occult-based neo-Nazi and white supremacist group. Melzer is charged with conspiring and attempting to murder U.S. nationals, conspiring and attempting to murder military service members, providing and attempting to provide material support to terrorists, and conspiring to murder and maim in a foreign country. The FBI and the U.S. Army thwarted Melzer’s plot in late-May 2020, and the FBI arrested Melzer on June 10, 2020. The case is assigned to U.S. District Judge Gregory Woods.

    “As the indictment lays out, Ethan Melzer plotted a deadly ambush on his fellow soldiers in the service of a diabolical cocktail of ideologies laced with hate and violence,” said Assistant Attorney General for National Security John C. Demers. “Our women and men in uniform risk their lives for our country, but they should never face such peril at the hands of one of their own. The National Security Division is proud to support the efforts of those who disrupted this planned attack and to seek justice for these acts.”

    “As alleged, Ethan Melzer, a private in the U.S. Army, was the enemy within. Melzer allegedly attempted to orchestrate a murderous ambush on his own unit by unlawfully revealing its location, strength, and armaments to a neo-Nazi, anarchist, white supremacist group,” said Acting U.S. Attorney Audrey Strauss for the Southern District of New York. “Melzer allegedly provided this potentially deadly information intending that it be conveyed to jihadist terrorists. As alleged, Melzer was motivated by racism and hatred as he attempted to carry out this ultimate act of betrayal. Thanks to the efforts of the agents and detectives of the JTTF, our partners in the Departments of Defense and State, and the career prosecutors of this office, a hate-fueled terrorist attack against American soldiers has been thwarted.”

    “As alleged, Ethan Melzer sought to facilitate a deadly mass attack on his fellow service members by disclosing sensitive information to multiple extremists, including al-Qa’ida. The FBI’s top priority remains protecting Americans from terrorist attacks, at home and abroad, and this case highlights the outstanding work of the FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task Forces, along with our U.S. military partners, to identify and disrupt threats like this one against our men and women in uniform,” said Assistant Director Jill Sanborn of the FBI’s Counterterrorism Division.

    “Melzer declared himself to be a traitor against the United States, and described his own conduct as tantamount to treason. We agree. He turned his back on his county and his unit while aligning himself with members of the neo-Nazi group O9A,” said FBI Assistant Director-in-Charge of the New York Office William F. Sweeney Jr. “Today, he is in custody and facing a lifetime of service – behind bars – which is appropriate given the severity of the conduct we allege today.”

    “This case is another example of the international responsibilities of the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s New York Joint Terrorism Task Force,” said Dermot Shea, the Commissioner of the New York City Police Department. “Its FBI agents and New York City police detectives will travel anywhere in the world to bring terrorists to justice, in this case a soldier who is alleged to have forsaken his oath to the United States military and his fellow soldiers.”

    According to the criminal complaint and the indictment charging Melzer, which were unsealed today in Manhattan federal court:

    Melzer joined the U.S. Army in approximately 2018, and he joined O9A by approximately 2019. Members and associates of O9A have espoused violent, neo-Nazi, anti-Semitic, and Satanic beliefs, and have expressed admiration for both Nazis, such as Adolf Hitler, and Islamic jihadists, such as Osama Bin Laden, the now-deceased former leader of al Qaeda. Members and associates of O9A have also participated in acts of violence, including murders.

    In approximately October 2019, Melzer deployed abroad with the Army. Prior to planning the attack, Melzer consumed propaganda from multiple extremist groups, including O9A and the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham, which is also known as ISIS. For example, in connection with the investigation, the FBI seized from an iCloud account maintained by Melzer an ISIS-issued document with a title that included the phrase “HARVEST OF THE SOLDIERS” and described attacks and murders of U.S. personnel in approximately April 2020.

    In approximately April 2020, the Army informed Melzer of plans for a further foreign deployment by his unit. Melzer thereafter sought to facilitate a deadly attack on his fellow service members. After he was notified of the assignment, Melzer used an encrypted application to send messages to members and associates of O9A and a related group known as the “RapeWaffen Division,” including communications regarding Melzer’s commitment to O9A and sensitive information related to his unit’s anticipated deployment such as locations, movements, and security, for purposes of facilitating an attack on Melzer’s unit. Melzer and his co-conspirators planned what they referred to as a “jihadi attack” during the deployment, with the objective of causing a “mass casualty” event victimizing his fellow service members. Melzer acknowledged in electronic communications that he could be killed during the attack, and, describing his willingness to die, wrote “who gives a [expletive] [. . .] it would be another war . . . I would’ve died successfully . . . cause [] another 10 year war in the Middle East would definitely leave a mark.”

    Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827)

  352. Members and associates of O9A have espoused violent, neo-Nazi, anti-Semitic, and Satanic beliefs, and have expressed admiration for both Nazis, such as Adolf Hitler, and Islamic jihadists, such as Osama Bin Laden, the now-deceased former leader of al Qaeda.
    Still waiting for the Antifa indictments.

    RipMurdock (d2a2a8)

  353. He could have testified, under oath, subject to cross, before the impeachment trial and given an even more complete picture.

    Time123 (235fc4) — 6/22/2020 @ 9:53 am

    He could have. Maybe this is just about money. But here is how he answered that:

    RADDATZ: You were a star witness to something the president was on trial for, something you say you now find deeply disturbing, possibly criminal. Yet, you felt no obligation at all to tell the American people about this? Whether in testimony on the hill or an interview or a statement or anything?

    BOLTON: I was fully prepared — if I got a subpoena like everybody else who testified got a subpoena. I think the way the House advocates of impeachment proceeded was badly wrong. I think it was impeachment malpractice. I think they were determined because of their own political objectives to conduct an impeachment proceeding that was very narrowly focused on Ukraine, and that went very, very quickly.

    Because they didn’t wanna mess up the Democratic presidential nomination. Now, I find that conduct almost as bad and somewhat equivalent to Trump. That they’re torqueing one of the gravest constitutional responsibilities the House of Representatives has, the power of impeachment, around their presidential nomination schedule.

    And they failed utterly to accomplish what they wanted. In fact, they made things worse. Because their strategy fitted with the Trump political strategy. Keep it narrow, and move it fast. So what did they do? The House advocates said, “We have proven Trump is impeached forever, and that he’d learn a lesson from it.”

    It’s absolutely 180 degrees the opposite of the truth. Because he was acquitted in the Senate. He didn’t learn lessons from it, other than that he could get away with it, which leaves only the last guardrail — is the election this November. I think the House Democrats built a cliff, they threw themselves off of it. And halfway down, they looked up and saw me, and said, “Hey, why don’t you come along?”

    RADDATZ: But you could have testified. You could have made some sort of statement. Your critics say you put your personal profit over the country by saving your depiction of Trump for this book.

    BOLTON: I think that’s absolutely wrong. The fact was, the way the Democrats misused the process, the way they drove Republicans in the House away from them — Republicans in the House who might have supported impeachment, who might have looked for a boarder investigation, who would have been open to something they boxed into a very small political space, and forced them to fight back. And that guaranteed on the Senate side it would be a partisan fight there as well. And my testimony, or, by the way, the test —

    RADDATZ: You don’t think it would have made a difference, your testimony —

    BOLTON: I don’t think it would have made a difference because of the way the Democrats pursued the impeachment process in the House.

    And people watched it on TV. It was a partisan catfight. There was no in — this was — this was so far removed from the Ervin committee — hearings of the Watergate era, which I remember quite well. The Democrats showed it was partisan in the House because they had it conducted by the House Intelligence Committee, rather than the House Judiciary Committee, which is in contemporary times, where impeachment’s conducted. This was all about politics for them. And it became all about politics for the Republicans. So —

    RADDATZ: It’s also about — you’re a man who says you want to talk about facts. And you say it wouldn’t make a difference. But what you would have said in your testimony was what many believed was a key statement. The president himself directly connecting the aid to security assistance and the investigation.

    BOLTON: Right.

    RADDATZ: This is what Michael Purpura said during the impeachment hearings, the president’s legal counsel: “Not a single witness testified that the president himself said that there was any connection between any investigations and security assistance, a presidential meeting, or anything else.” You could have been that person providing that testimony.

    BOLTON: Yeah. And it would not have made any difference. The —

    RADDATZ: How can you say that? How do you know —

    BOLTON: Because minds — because minds were made up on Capitol Hill. And my feeling was in the midst of all the chaos that had been created, this would have come and gone, and nobody would have paid any attention to it. My view is when you take the extraordinary step of removing a president from office, you have to do it in a serious way. The only way to win an impeachment would have been to get Republicans to go along. And the Democrats abandoned that idea almost before they got started.

    I don’t know if he’s right about what might have been but I think he is absolutely right about what was because we all saw it.

    DRJ (aede82)

  354. In @DavidBrodyCBN
    interview, President Trump, without evidence, accuses President Obama of “treason” and says he’s looking forward to seeing what the Justice Department pursues in the coming months.

    https://twitter.com/costareports/status/1275202728956964866

    I am also looking forward to seeing what the Justice Department pursues in the coming months.

    Davethulhu (9921df)

  355. Basically, I think Bolton is saying the House and Senate “juries” had already decided to be partisan, so he is taking his evidence to the American people.

    DRJ (aede82)

  356. 360… your brief wait is over. Other indictments forthcoming…

    The fact-checker gave Trump “Four Pinocchios” for his antifa claims, arguing that “there has not yet been a single confirmed case in which someone who self-identifies as antifa led violent acts at any of the protests across the country.”

    Yet Ngo tweeted a prosecutorial record involving Amelia Joan Shamrowicz, who allegedly committed arson, criminal mischief (destroying or damaging $1,000 or more in property), and rioting. When police interviewed Shamrowicz’s roommates, they “reported that SHAMROWICZ stated they started the fire using a Molotov cocktail, and she is part of Antifa. SHAMROWICZ was reported to be extremely excited about being labeled a terrorist and was very animated about her hopes that police officers would be killed and injured by the riots. She also stated that she would be going out on another mission and the goal would be to set another fire.”

    Multnomah County, Ore., Deputy District Attorney Brad Kalbaugh filed the report on June 1, 2020, shortly after the first round of nationwide rioting following George Floyd’s death.

    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2020/06/22/wapo-gives-trump-four-pinocchios-for-true-statements-about-antifa-presence-at-george-floyd-riots-n561150

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  357. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/tear-race-activist-shaun-king-calls-removal-statues-white-jesus-european-mother/

    It was only a matter of time, but as expected, they’ve come for Jesus Christ.

    NJRob (8886f4)

  358. At Least the White illustrations of him. Was that a big part of your faith? That he be white?

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  359. 368… Fvck these mobs, their supporters and their mentality.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  360. Aren’t Jews and Arabs alike technically white, or are you referring to the fair-haired, blue-eyed Jesus?

    norcal (a5428a)

  361. My vote is for civilization. If the governors and mayors of these blue states and cities choose to ignore or – worst case – encourage these leftwing mobs, that’s on their heads.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  362. Kevin, Your summary of the Roosevelt statue is wrong.

    Still, there’s room for Reagan and Trump.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  363. “Next they’ll topple Thaddeus Stevens, assuming there are statues to him somewhere.”

    There must be, otherwise how would you know about him?

    Gee, the author of the 14th Amendment , “leader of the “Radical Republicans” and instigator of the impeachment of Andrew Johnson (that failed due to one vote). Yeah, I heard of him. He was the third person to lay in state in the Capitol, in 1868.

    Stevens’s body was conveyed from his house to the Capitol by white and African-American pallbearers together. Thousands of mourners, of both races, filed past his casket as he lay in state at the United States Capitol rotunda; Stevens was the third man, after Clay and Lincoln, to receive that honor. African-American soldiers constituted the guard of honor. After a service there, his body was taken by funeral train to Lancaster, a city draped in black for the funeral.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thaddeus_Stevens

    After the Democrats got control of the history books he became a non-person and Reconstruction became an odious term. But that’s your party, ‘thulhu, although you’re have some “Southern Democrat” whine in defense.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  364. At Least the White illustrations of him. Was that a big part of your faith? That he be white?

    Time123 (9f42ee) — 6/22/2020 @ 5:43 pm

    So you’re saying you support racism as long as it’s anti-white? I’m asking for sincere clarification since that’s exactly what the quote stipulates.

    NJRob (8886f4)

  365. It’s worth saying again:

    There are, and have always been, in America, more fringe Protestant cults which consider religious statutes and icons Papist idolatry than there are Muslims who consider depictions of living things sinful. In fact, we celebrate one bunch of them on the fourth Thursday of every November.

    nk (1d9030)

  366. If the Biden kettle is black, what color is the Trump pot?

    Biden stole part of another politician’s speech in 1988 (like Melania Trump stole part of a speech by Michelle Obama in 2016, big f**ling deal). The Drumpfelschnitzel has stolen billions of dollars and thousands of livelihoods.

    nk (1d9030)

  367. Sorry, that should have been on the Biden thread.

    nk (1d9030)

  368. “The treason part is sort of overwhelming”

    Yes, but was he charged and convicted of treason…..if it was overwhelming, then why not?

    AJ_Liberty (0f85ca)

  369. https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/06/22/venezuelan-woman-begs-americans-to-wake-up-this-is-how-it-starts-cubans-warned-us-we-didnt-think-it-could-happen-to-us-937909
    .

    A woman who said she is from Venezuela posted a video amid the insanity gripping American streets, where even statutes of Union generals who led the fight to free the slaves isn’t safe.

    “Why do I even worry about some silly little statue coming down? Or some silly little street names changing? Why do I even care?” she asked.

    “It’s because the last time I didn’t care,” the woman then said, answering her own question. “The last time, I didn’t care about this as a teenager — I have already lived through these things when I was living in Venezuela.”

    She then detailed the changes she witnessed as a teen.

    “Statutes came down, [Hugo] Chavez didn’t want that history this way. And then he changed the street names, then came the [school] curriculum. And then some movies couldn’t be shown on TV channels, and so on and so forth,” she said.

    She knows of what she speaks.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  370. At Least the White illustrations of him. Was that a big part of your faith? That he be white?

    Time123 (9f42ee) — 6/22/2020 @ 5:43 pm

    So you’re saying you support racism as long as it’s anti-white? I’m asking for sincere clarification since that’s exactly what the quote stipulates.

    NJRob (8886f4) — 6/22/2020 @ 7:41 pm

    No, that’s not what I’m saying. Also, that’s not at all what the quote stipulates. I’m actually struggling to see how you’d get that just from my snarky comment.

    Time123 (ea2b98)

  371. No, that’s not what I’m saying. Also, that’s not at all what the quote stipulates. I’m actually struggling to see how you’d get that just from my snarky comment.

    Time123 (ea2b98) — 6/23/2020 @ 6:21 am

    That’s exactly what Talcum X’s quote stipulates. Now why you were trying to be snarky and insulting to Christians is on you, but for you to even minimize what this bigot is trying to incite is questionable.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  372. Yes that is the goal, and they are fine with it, till they are liquidated.

    Narciso (7404b5)

  373. Rob
    1. Talcom X is funny. Hadn’t heard that before…but I think Sean King is black.
    2. I was trying to make a snarky joke to you. Not a broad comment on all Christians. FWIW many Christians already have pictures of a non-white Jesus.
    3. I’ve said several times that I don’t see/understand the basis for some of your assertions. You just keep making them as if they’re self evident. I’ve provided information about why it looks like it does to me, and you’ve ignored that.

    Time123 (ea2b98)

  374. He isn’t. Both his parents are white, hence the humor in it.
    A snarky joke while an idiot is trying to encourage people to attack Christian iconography as they are destroying monuments around the nation isn’t funny.
    You don’t have to see it. Just look at the logical results of what’s going on. It’s progressing rapidly to a very dangerous result. Perhaps that result doesn’t bother you so you can just make wisecracks about it.

    NJRob (4d595c)

  375. According to wiki his father was black. But i learned about him when he got twitter famous for saying something dumb. So maybe there’s more history there.

    I thought my wisecrack was funny. I thought your wisecrack was funny also. But I also think your slippery slope argument is flawed. There are more then enough people in the country that can see the difference between statues erected in support of white supremacy and statues with historical value. I think most people can also see the value in monuments to people with meaningful contributions to our county that deserve to be honored, despite evil thing they might have done.

    Time123 (89dfb2)

  376. His wiki is quoting him saying his mom cheated on his dad. High quality guy here insulting both his parents to give him some fake street cred. He’s another Rachel Dolezal.

    Doesn’t stop those who claim to see the difference siding with the actual arsonists burning everything down. Do you really wish for a “cultural revolution?”

    NJRob (7abbe0)

  377. Pretty sure I described his comments as dumb. What part of that do you think indicates I’m “siding” with him?

    Time123 (9f42ee)


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